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Year's first deadly tornado kills eight in Oklahoma

By: Dr. Jeff Masters, 2:29 PM GMT on February 11, 2009

The first killer tornado of 2009 swept through Lone Grove, Oklahoma yesterday, killing eight people and seriously injuring 14 more. Lone Grove is a town of 4,600 about 100 miles south of Oklahoma City. The large, 1/2 mile wide twister dropped down from an isolated supercell thunderstorm that formed in advance of a strong cold front that swept through the Great Plains yesterday afternoon. Three other tornadoes were also reported yesterday, two in Oklahoma and one in Texas. It was the first significant severe weather outbreak of the year in the U.S., and it spawned the first tornadoes of the year in Texas and Oklahoma. This year is a far cry from 2008, which had one of the most severe and deadly early tornado seasons on record, and ended up as the second busiest tornado year since record keeping began in 1950. In January of 2008, 84 tornadoes were observed, compared to the 10 (preliminary) observed in 2009. The slower start to tornado season this year reflects the very dry January we had. January 2009 ranked as the 5th driest and 59 warmest in the 114-year record, according to the National Climatic Data Center. It was the record driest January in portions of Oklahoma, Texas, New Mexico, Missouri, and upstate New York.

The storm that spawned yesterday's tornadoes will drag a cold front across much of the Ohio and Tennessee Valleys today. NOAA's Storm Prediction Center is giving a Slight Risk of severe weather over these regions today. The main threat will be severe thunderstorms with high winds and hail, rather than tornadoes.


Figure 1. Severe weather reports for February 10, 2009. Image credit: NOAA/SPC.


Figure 2. January 2009 precipitation was the 5th lowest on record for the contiguous U.S. Image credit: NOAA/NCDC.

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I'll have a new blog post on Thursday.

Jeff Masters

Tornado

The views of the author are his/her own and do not necessarily represent the position of The Weather Company or its parent, IBM.

Reader Comments

Thanks Dr. Masters......bad thing in Oklahoma...sometimes advanced warning just does not help......as the National Weather Service was all over this event 2 days ago...
Thanks and Good morning Dr. Jeff
Current Tornado Outlook.......this could change.....



MESOSCALE DISCUSSION 0097
NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
0526 AM CST WED FEB 11 2009

AREAS AFFECTED...SERN MO / SRN IL / WRN KY / FAR NERN AR / WRN TN

CONCERNING...TORNADO WATCH 14...

VALID 111126Z - 111230Z

THE SEVERE WEATHER THREAT FOR TORNADO WATCH 14 CONTINUES.

THE POTENTIAL FOR ISOLATED DAMAGING WIND GUSTS IS EXPECTED TO
PERSIST BEYOND 12Z. HOWEVER...IT APPEARS THAT A MORE ORGANIZED
SEVERE WEATHER THREAT HAS DIMINISHED AND AN ADDITIONAL WW IS NOT
ANTICIPATED.

AS OF 1115Z...RADAR IMAGERY SHOWED A BOWING LINE SEGMENT CROSSING
THE MS RIVER WITH THE MOST INTENSE PORTION OF CONVECTIVE SYSTEM
EXTENDING FROM PERRY COUNTY IL TO MISSISSIPPI COUNTY MO. SYSTEM
MOTION WAS GENERALLY E AT 30-35 KT. RECENT SURFACE OBSERVATIONS IN
IT/S WAKE /I.E. CGI AND POF/ OBSERVED WIND GUSTS APPROACHING 40 KT.

LATEST SURFACE OBSERVATIONS AND RUC PROXIMITY SOUNDINGS SUGGEST THAT
THIS BOWING LINE IS CURRENTLY MOVING THROUGH A LOW-LEVEL THERMAL
AXIS IN PLACE JUST E OF THE MS RIVER WHERE TEMPERATURES REMAIN IN
THE LOW TO MID 60S. HOWEVER...BOUNDARY LAYER DEWPOINTS TEND TO
DECREASE WITH EWD EXTENT ACROSS SRN IL...WRN KY AND WRN TN WHICH IS
RESULTING IN ONLY VERY WEAK CONVECTIVE INSTABILITY AND INCREASING
CONVECTIVE INHIBITION PER FORECAST SOUNDINGS. THIS NOTION SEEMS TO
BE CORROBORATED BY A NOTED DECREASE IN LIGHTNING ACTIVITY OVER THE
PAST HALF HOUR.

THUS...WHILE VERTICAL SHEAR AND FORCING FOR ASCENT REMAIN QUITE
STRONG...INCREASINGLY HOSTILE THERMODYNAMIC CONDITIONS ARE EXPECTED
TO LIMIT A MORE SUBSTANTIAL SEVERE WEATHER THREAT E OF WW 0014.
THEREFORE...NO ADDITIONAL WW IS EXPECTED THOUGH AN ISOLATED STRONG
WIND GUST REMAINS POSSIBLE.

..MEAD.. 02/11/2009
These tornadoes came at night and wrapped in heavy rain,the worst possibles conditions.
its going to be a violent year for weather I fear,first above average# of severe spring storms and then there's "la nina",which should make for a extremely active TC season!!!!
Quoting NEwxguy:
These tornadoes came at night and wrapped in heavy rain,the worst possibles conditions.


Bro, i had them on Radar last night...it was unreal the return i had on radar of the tornados.......i seen it coming....
Anytime you have a low in that position with the dip in the Jet Stream and dew points that high it was trouble.....you could see a dry line develop and right where the dry line was BOOM........
Morning,

The news about OK is terrible. Tornadoes at night are always bad. : (
Quoting Beachfoxx:
Morning,

The news about OK is terrible. Tornadoes at night are always bad. : (


Tornadoes are bad period but worse at night.
Quoting stillwaiting:
its going to be a violent year for weather I fear,first above average# of severe spring storms and then there's "la nina",which should make for a extremely active TC season!!!!


Yeppers about the tropics.....if these things here don't cool down (whereever they came from) the tropics is going to be hell this year......those are like balls of fire....I gotta give Skyepony the pat on the back for pointing those out to me.....

Stillwaiting -- if you're still here...can you look out your window and see if there are any waves... might be knee high....

Early this morning we see a weak knee high line from the S. Today, wind to crank up more onshore and should bump up the surf a notch by late this afternoon. Probably only loggable or grommable at best but, this will be it for awhile. The front that was forecasted over the weekend will shift its energy up north and bypass the starvin' Gulf. Looks to be later next week before our next ripple maker. Gulf Temp 59
Surfmom i have a 10mph out of the South wind here so, i'm sure there should be some breaks for ya.......
Sorry Surfmom...the waves are all North of you:


COASTAL HAZARD MESSAGE
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE TALLAHASSEE FL
332 AM EST WED FEB 11 2009

...A HIGH SURF ADVISORY REMAINS IN EFFECT FROM 6 AM CST THIS
MORNING UNTIL 6 AM CST THURSDAY MORNING FOR THE BEACHES OF WALTON
AND BAY COUNTIES IN THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE...

.A STRONG PRESSURE GRADIENT AHEAD OF AN APPROACHING COLD FRONT
FROM THE WEST WILL RESULT IN INCREASING SOUTHERLY WINDS ACROSS
THE COASTAL WATERS TODAY. THESE WINDS WILL BE STRONGEST OVER
WESTERN PORTIONS OF THE MARINE AREA...WHICH WILL LEAD TO BUILDING
SURF ACROSS THE BEACHES OF THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE. AT THE BAY AND
WALTON COUNTY BEACHES...BREAKERS OF 2 TO 4 FEET OVERNIGHT WILL
BUILD TO 4 TO 6 FEET THIS MORNING...WITH A FEW SETS OF 6 TO 8 FEET
POSSIBLE DURING THE AFTERNOON AND EARLY EVENING.
THE SURF WILL
THEN SLOWLY SUBSIDE TONIGHT...WITH RESIDUAL SWELLS OF 2 TO 4 FEET
STILL EXPECTED ON THURSDAY. THIS HIGH SURF WILL PRODUCE DANGEROUS
RIP CURRENTS TO ANYONE ENTERING THE WATER... WITH SOME MINOR BEACH
EROSION POSSIBLE NEAR THE TIMES OF HIGH TIDE. FURTHER TO THE
EAST...THE SURF WILL BE LOWER OVER SAINT JOSEPH PENINSULA...SAINT
GEORGE AND DOG ISLANDS...WITH BREAKERS OF 2 TO 4 FEET POSSIBLE
LATER TODAY. HOWEVER...WITH THE INCREASING WINDS...THE RISK FOR
RIP CURRENTS WILL BE HIGH AT THESE LOCATIONS AS WELL.

Click the Graphic to get a 365 loop to show La Nina at work......pretty cool.....

Thanks Tampa (I like your news) and Vort.....Yes the bigger stuff is probably north.... I might have some ripple out there I can play with.... it's good to be little like a grom (kid surfer) and have a fish..........don't need much oompf to catch a ride.

Plotting my escape from the office.........his 11:00 appt. out of the office gives me just enough time to snitch out, surf an hour and then get to the barn job just in time.

Just love these guilt free waves (cold front created vs 'cane generated)Gulf has warmed a tad, the shining is Bright & Hot....gotta go!
Yup, Vortfix - you're on the $, but like Tampa said -- there might be a little something out there for me..... See ya!

Conditions Summary (Wed 9am)
Naples

1ft 4secs 158° 12mph ESE - Offshore - 121° Sunny 22c
Venice Beach

1ft 4secs 186° 14mph SE - Offshore - 131° Sunny 20c
Clearwater

3.5ft 4secs 168° 17mph SE - Offshore - 145° Sunny 18c
Treasure Island

3.5ft 4secs 165° 17mph SE - Cross/offshore - 145° Sunny 18c
Navarre Beach
Grey Star Grey Star
5.5ft 7secs 176° 23mph S - Onshore - 174° Mostly Sunny 20c
Destin

6ft 6secs 179° 21mph S - Onshore - 172° Sunny 20c
Octagon
Star Star
6.5ft 8secs 154° 17mph WNW - Offshore - 299° Mostly Sunny 15c
surfmom,your favorite wind is creating ankle to knee high waves,just saw a kid walking to the beach w/a short board.....If I were you I'd wait until around sunset to ride a few waves,they should get a little better as the day goes on and the winds build a bit,plus w/all the fires inland over the last few days have made for some amazing "fire red" sunsets,winds now here are about 15mph w/gusts to 20...enjoy your swim!!!!



TS: those "fireballs",will probably not dissapate,as the sun w/be moving further north in latitude!!!!
Quoting stillwaiting:
surfmom,your favorite wind is creating ankle to knee high waves,just saw a kid walking to the beach w/a short board.....If I were you I'd wait until around sunset to ride a few waves,they should get a little better as the day goes on and the winds build a bit,plus w/all the fires inland over the last few days have made for some amazing "fire red" sunsets,winds now here are about 15mph w/gusts to 20...enjoy your swim!!!!



TS: those "fireballs",will probably not dissapate,as the sun w/be moving further north in latitude!!!!


Ya i know.....that is the fear from me.....as Cape Verd could start very early with those out there.......
So far we have 79 votes on the poll on my blog from Dr. Masters Poll........i am ending the Poll on Feb. 14th. If anyone wants to vote on the Poll get your vote in ASAP....i will post the final results after the poll closes.......

When you get to my Blog the poll is near the bottom.....
How's the citrus crop doing in Florida after all the cold weather?
22. IKE
109 days and the Atlantic season begins.




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MESOSCALE DISCUSSION 0098
NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
0936 AM CST WED FEB 11 2009

AREAS AFFECTED...FAR SERN MS/THE SRN HALF OF AL/THE WRN FL PANHANDLE

CONCERNING...SEVERE POTENTIAL...WATCH POSSIBLE

VALID 111536Z - 111700Z

SHOWERS CROSSING SERN MS...SRN AL...AND THE WRN FL PANHANDLE MAY
INTENSIFY SLOWLY OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF HOURS...POSSIBLY REQUIRING
TORNADO WATCH ISSUANCE.


CURRENT RADAR IMAGERY REVEALS SEVERAL BROKEN LINES OF SHOWERS MOVING
QUICKLY EWD ACROSS SERN MS/SRN AL AND THE FAR WRN FL PANHANDLE.
WHILE MORNING SOUNDINGS REVEAL WARM MID-LEVEL AIR WHICH IS HINDERING
DEEPER CONVECTION/LIGHTNING...VERY STRONG LOW-LEVEL SHEAR IS
PROMOTING UPDRAFT ROTATION PER LATEST VWPS.

CLOUD COVER SHOULD LIMIT HEATING...AND THUS THE POTENTIAL FOR
DESTABILIZATION. HOWEVER...AS MID-LEVEL COOLING SPREADS
EWD...DEEPER CAPE -- SUFFICIENT FOR TALLER AND PERHAPS EVEN
LIGHTNING-PRODUCING UPDRAFTS -- COULD EVOLVE. WHILE LITTLE THREAT
FOR ANY MORE THAN A BRIEF/WEAK TORNADO SPIN-UP EXISTS ATTM...WE WILL
CONTINUE TO MONITOR THIS AREA FOR SIGNS OF DESTABILIZATION AND
CORRESPONDINGLY DEEPER/MORE INTENSE CONVECTION WHICH WOULD THEN
REQUIRE TORNADO WATCH ISSUANCE.

..GOSS.. 02/11/2009
A Dry line has developed between Arkansas and the Southern Tip of Indiana......LOOK for Something to Explode within that area SOON... as the Low moves East also.....I don't like that dry line there....

26. IKE
Oh no....that includes me.
I think Tennessee and Kentucky could be in for some very Severe Weather late this evening...Possibly also to include Southern Illinois and Southern Indiana..Hope im wrong....
IKE that Dry line really bothers me there and yes it is also coming at you.....as it pushes East........
WOW a watch was just posted from the NWS in the areas i just said......

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URGENT - IMMEDIATE BROADCAST REQUESTED
TORNADO WATCH NUMBER 16
NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
1140 AM EST WED FEB 11 2009

THE NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER HAS ISSUED A
TORNADO WATCH FOR PORTIONS OF

SOUTHERN INDIANA
CENTRAL KENTUCKY
SOUTHWEST OHIO
MIDDLE TENNESSEE

EFFECTIVE THIS WEDNESDAY MORNING AND EVENING FROM 1140 AM UNTIL
600 PM EST.

TORNADOES...HAIL TO 1 INCH IN DIAMETER...THUNDERSTORM WIND GUSTS
TO 70 MPH...AND DANGEROUS LIGHTNING ARE POSSIBLE IN THESE AREAS.

THE TORNADO WATCH AREA IS APPROXIMATELY ALONG AND 65 STATUTE
MILES EAST AND WEST OF A LINE FROM 65 MILES NORTH NORTHEAST OF
LOUISVILLE KENTUCKY TO 65 MILES SOUTH SOUTHEAST OF NASHVILLE
TENNESSEE. FOR A COMPLETE DEPICTION OF THE WATCH SEE THE
ASSOCIATED WATCH OUTLINE UPDATE (WOUS64 KWNS WOU6).

REMEMBER...A TORNADO WATCH MEANS CONDITIONS ARE FAVORABLE FOR
TORNADOES AND SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS IN AND CLOSE TO THE WATCH
AREA. PERSONS IN THESE AREAS SHOULD BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR
THREATENING WEATHER CONDITIONS AND LISTEN FOR LATER STATEMENTS
AND POSSIBLE WARNINGS.

DISCUSSION...NARROW LINE OF CONVECTION IS INTENSIFYING OVER WESTERN
KY/TN AS VIGOROUS UPPER TROUGH ROTATES INTO REGION. DESPITE VERY
WEAK INSTABILITY...THE THREAT OF LOCALLY DAMAGING WINDS WILL
INCREASE WITH TIME DUE TO DRYING ALOFT AND ENHANCED POTENTIAL FOR
DOWNWARD TRANSFER OF MOMENTUM. LOW AND MID LEVEL VERTICAL SHEAR
PROFILES WILL ALSO BE FAVORABLE FOR BOW/LEWP STRUCTURES ALONG THE
LINE AND AN ATTENDANT RISK OF ISOLATED TORNADOES.
Complete Blog Refresh
Mirror Site
New Section includes Mt Redoubt
I am now using Google Earth Version 5 (Thank you SF)



BTW.. just to make some of you sadists happy... it was snowing again last night.. and they are calling for possible flurries today and tonight :(
Hey hows it going everyone? Yeah I've lost in the hunting blog world for a few months but decided to check back in with the severe weather threat that even includes the FL Panhandle! That's terrible what happened in Oklahoma, scary, everyone should have known it was coming. Tamapspin, good eye on that dry line, it will definitely be something to watch as we get to the afternoon hours.
I just updated my blog if anyone would like to view........

TampaSpins Weather Blog Link
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URGENT - IMMEDIATE BROADCAST REQUESTED
TORNADO WATCH NUMBER 17
NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
1210 PM EST WED FEB 11 2009

THE NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER HAS ISSUED A
TORNADO WATCH FOR PORTIONS OF

NORTHERN ALABAMA
NORTHWEST GEORGIA
SOUTHEAST TENNESSEE

EFFECTIVE THIS WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON AND EVENING FROM 1210 PM UNTIL
600 PM EST.

TORNADOES...HAIL TO 1 INCH IN DIAMETER...THUNDERSTORM WIND GUSTS
TO 70 MPH...AND DANGEROUS LIGHTNING ARE POSSIBLE IN THESE AREAS.

THE TORNADO WATCH AREA IS APPROXIMATELY ALONG AND 70 STATUTE
MILES EAST AND WEST OF A LINE FROM 40 MILES NORTHWEST OF
CHATTANOOGA TENNESSEE TO 55 MILES SOUTH SOUTHEAST OF BIRMINGHAM
ALABAMA. FOR A COMPLETE DEPICTION OF THE WATCH SEE THE
ASSOCIATED WATCH OUTLINE UPDATE (WOUS64 KWNS WOU7).

REMEMBER...A TORNADO WATCH MEANS CONDITIONS ARE FAVORABLE FOR
TORNADOES AND SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS IN AND CLOSE TO THE WATCH
AREA. PERSONS IN THESE AREAS SHOULD BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR
THREATENING WEATHER CONDITIONS AND LISTEN FOR LATER STATEMENTS
AND POSSIBLE WARNINGS.

OTHER WATCH INFORMATION...CONTINUE...WW 16...

DISCUSSION...LINE OF CONVECTION CONTINUES TO INTENSIFY OVER MIDDLE
TN...EXTENDING INTO EASTERN AL. THREAT FOR LOCALLY DAMAGING WINDS
IS EXPECTED TO DEVELOP THROUGH THE AFTERNOON AS 120+ KNOT MID LEVEL
JET MAX SURGES INTO REGION. LOW LEVEL VERTICAL SHEAR PROFILES ARE
ALSO QUITE FAVORABLE FOR BOW/LEWPS ALONG THE LINE...AND PERHAPS
ISOLATED CELLS AHEAD OF THE LINE...CAPABLE OF ISOLATED TORNADOES.

30. vortfix 12:04 PM EST on February 11, 2009

I seen that coming!!! That Dry Line was really in a bad spot...!!!
I'm out everyone have a safe day and watch the skies as things could and will probably turn very nasty for some in the Tennessee and Ohio valley.....into and including Georgia.......BE SAFE and turn your Weather Radio's ON!!!
surf alert-Ponce should be 2-4' tomorrow & clean, water temp at 62, not bad but still chilly. I'm on it all day, full suit & booties for me.
Quoting TampaSpin:


Yeppers about the tropics.....if these things here don't cool down (whereever they came from) the tropics is going to be hell this year......those are like balls of fire....I gotta give Skyepony the pat on the back for pointing those out to me.....



Is that the actual water temperature at that depth Tampa??


AP:

Twisters kill 8 people in Oklahoma, others injured

By TIM TALLEY 1 hour ago Link

LONE GROVE, Okla. (AP) Emergency crews on Wednesday searched for more victims amid the wreckage of homes and businesses smashed by a cluster of tornadoes that killed at least eight people.

One young woman was lifted into the air as a tornado pulled the roof off a house, but her mother and others held her down.

Firefighters moved aside bricks and fallen walls as they sought to ensure there were no additional victims in Lone Grove, where all of the eight victims died Tuesday and 14 people were seriously injured, said Oklahoma Department of Emergency Management spokeswoman Michelann Ooten. Each building that had been searched was then marked with a large, spray-painted "X."
LETHLSS
February 10, 2009


This is audio/video from my digital camera, aimed at my monitor, as tornado warned storm was approaching Lone Grove, OK tue evening. (NWS Radar looping in Firefox, and KXII TV is playing on my Wind...
this is audio/video from my digital camera, aimed at my monitor, as tornado warned storm was approaching Lone Grove, OK tue evening. (NWS Radar looping in Firefox, and KXII TV is playing on my Windows Media Center) In the video, Doug Drace, a great guy, who knows his stuff when it comes to severe wx and storm chasing, and i've got to chase with him a couple times.. Doug is heard tracking and reporting on this severe cell, which quickly went tornadic, and cut a good sized path through the Lone Grove area of S Ctrl OK.


Tsunami warning for Indonesia after 7.5 quake.
Upper level snaps and stronger harmonics return to Redoubt ???
February 10, 2009 Tornado Ardmore Lone Grove Gene Autry Oklahoma

TheRealFlowerGirl
February 11, 2009

It went right by me but hit my daughters town hard then it went over my Mothers house, they were in the storm shelter and I couldn't get through, then she called and said they were ok to. This is t...
It went right by me but hit my daughters town hard then it went over my Mothers house, they were in the storm shelter and I couldn't get through, then she called and said they were ok to. This is the first time I've been that close to one here, we were ready to head for the closet. Most house's here in Tornado Alley, have storm shelters but mine doesn't. My daughter can't go home they have her town all closed off looking for people, it's really bad there..


Magnitude 5.6 - KEPULAUAN TALAUD, INDONESIA
2009 February 11 17:49:18 UTC

Earthquake DetailsLink

NWS Pacific Tsunami Warning Center Link
Good afternoon,

Busy, busy... interesting thing to note. If you compare the current El Nino/Nina trends this year with those for 2004, they seem to be getting close. Since new model runs for ENSO are pointing more towards the start of a neutral to El Nino episode by this Fall.

Of course El Nino will help inhibit TC activity, but I'm not expecting El Nino to be strong enough to make it so this year.
afternoon everyone, long time no talk...i feel bad for the people over in Oklahoma. sure are praying for them....tsunami alert now and to top it all off..we have some BIG SURF!! head to double over head over here in P'cola!!! Surf mom , maybe you will get something out of this big front...tampa i read your blog, good stuff as always...looks like it might be another crazy year for weather records to be broken....
The Lone Grove tornado was EASILY an EF-4 looking at pictures from the damage. Maybe even an EF-5.
Apologize if someone has posted this but how heartwarming....
--------------------

Finally, there’s some good news from the wildfire catastrophe in Australia. A firefighter saved an injured koala.

The poor little gal was walked around on burned feet when she spotted a firefighter, who immediately called for water and help.

Koalas are known for their cranky nature despite their cute appearance. They rarely come down from the trees and usually aren’t interested in interacting with anyone. But in this case, the injured marsupial was desperate for help.

Animal welfare officers eventually picked up the koala and took her to a nature reserve where she’s healing well. (Word has it she already has an admirer - a male koala who keeps hugging her.)

... A Tornado Warning remains in effect until 115 PM CST for
southeastern DeKalb... east central Cannon and northwestern Warren
counties...

At 100 PM CST... National Weather Service Doppler radar continued to
indicate a tornado. This tornado was located 12 miles southwest of
Smithville... or near Woodbury... moving northeast at 60 mph.

The tornado will be near...
Smithville by 110 PM CST...

When a Tornado Warning is issued based on Doppler radar... it means
that strong rotation has been detected in the storm. A tornado may
already be on the ground... or is expected to develop shortly. If you
are in the path of this dangerous storm... move indoors and to the
lowest level of the building. Stay away from windows.

Lat... Lon 3608 8570 3600 8563 3597 8565 3592 8564
3589 8565 3589 8564 3587 8564 3574 8604
3588 8606 3609 8573
time... Mot... loc 1904z 238deg 53kt 3586 8591
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URGENT - IMMEDIATE BROADCAST REQUESTED
TORNADO WATCH NUMBER 18
NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
200 PM EST WED FEB 11 2009

THE NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER HAS ISSUED A
TORNADO WATCH FOR PORTIONS OF

SOUTHEAST INDIANA
EASTERN KENTUCKY
SOUTHERN OHIO
EASTERN TENNESSEE
EXTREME SOUTHWEST VIRGINIA
WESTERN WEST VIRGINIA INCLUDING THE NORTHERN PANHANDLE

EFFECTIVE THIS WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON AND EVENING FROM 200 PM UNTIL
900 PM EST.

TORNADOES...HAIL TO 0.5 INCH IN DIAMETER...THUNDERSTORM WIND
GUSTS TO 70 MPH...AND DANGEROUS LIGHTNING ARE POSSIBLE IN THESE
AREAS.

THE TORNADO WATCH AREA IS APPROXIMATELY ALONG AND 80 STATUTE
MILES EAST AND WEST OF A LINE FROM 40 MILES NORTH OF ZANESVILLE
OHIO TO 35 MILES SOUTHEAST OF KNOXVILLE TENNESSEE. FOR A
COMPLETE DEPICTION OF THE WATCH SEE THE ASSOCIATED WATCH OUTLINE
UPDATE (WOUS64 KWNS WOU8).

REMEMBER...A TORNADO WATCH MEANS CONDITIONS ARE FAVORABLE FOR
TORNADOES AND SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS IN AND CLOSE TO THE WATCH
AREA. PERSONS IN THESE AREAS SHOULD BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR
THREATENING WEATHER CONDITIONS AND LISTEN FOR LATER STATEMENTS
AND POSSIBLE WARNINGS.

OTHER WATCH INFORMATION...CONTINUE...WW 16...WW 17...

DISCUSSION...LINE OF LOW-TOPPED CONVECTION IS RACING EASTWARD ACROSS
KY/TN AHEAD OF 130+ KNOT MID LEVEL JET MAX. DESPITE VERY LIMITED
INSTABILITY...EXTREMELY STRONG FORCING AND WIND FIELDS WILL PROMOTE
A RISK OF WIDESPREAD WIND DAMAGE ALONG LEADING EDGE OF CONVECTION.
ISOLATED AND BRIEF TORNADOES WILL ALSO BE POSSIBLE IN BOW/LEWP
STRUCTURES ALONG LINE.
Drastic change from a few weeks ago when it was 20 Degrees here in Florida.

81.8 °F
Scattered Clouds

If Pool wasn't so freezing I would be in it.
Joint Australia Tsunami Warning Center
========================================

An undersea earthquake of magnitude 6.8 has occurred at 04:34 AM EDT on

Thursday 12 February 2009 near TALAUD ISLANDS.


THERE IS NO TSUNAMI THREAT TO THE AUSTRALIAN MAINLAND, ISLANDS OR TERRITORIES.


No further updates will be issued unless the situation changes.



Conchy...here's the photo to your story...
A koala named Sam has been rescued from the bush fires near Mirboo North in Gippsland. She is now recovering well in the care of Southern Ash Wildlife Shelter in Rawson. Picture: Rebecca Michael
aw that poor Koala bear so many injuries


"Gabrielle" may affect western australia..
High Pressure from Africa into the Atlantic..with the ITCZ way South as expected Link


ESL by LSU, Atlantic Ocean View (Updated ~3 hours) Link

Quoting NRAamy:



Conchy...here's the photo to your story...
Thanks - I did see the photo just can't post from work! Sweet huh?
U.S. Severe Weather Map Link


NEXRAD Radar
Jackson,Kentucky
Base Reflectivity 0.50 Degree Elevation Range 124 NMI Link
Lone Grove tornado apparently an EF-3
Posted by kenraymondFebruary 11, 2009 2:03 p.m.

Staff Writer Bryan Painter reports:

LONE GROVE — The preliminary rating for Tuesday night’s Lone Grove tornado is an EF-3, the National Weather Service said shortly before 2 p.m. today.

What meteorologists have seen so far indicate winds of possibly 140 miles per hour, said Mike Foster, meteorologist in charge with the Norman forecast office of the NWS. But Foster emphasized the rating is preliminary, with more damage yet to be surveyed.

State panel urges half-billion in hurricane prep
Restoring UTMB-Galveston, toughening coastal building codes among House committee's recommendations

By MIKE SNYDER Copyright 2009 Houston Chronicle
Feb. 11, 2009, 10:35AM

Story:Link

Texas should respond to Hurricane Ike by putting $250 million into a disaster emergency fund, providing tax relief to keep Galveston solvent, strengthening coastal building codes, hardening the electrical grid and requiring backup generators for utilities and other essential services, a legislative panel said today.

The House Select Committee on Hurricane Ike recommended steps that would cost the state at least a half-billion dollars while imposing new requirements on builders, utility companies and facilities that house the elderly, the disabled and the very poor.

Its recommendations range from expansive measures such as restoring a Level 1 trauma center at the University of Texas Medical Branch at Galveston, to simple steps such as requiring six nails rather than four to secure each asphalt shingle on the roofs of Gulf Coast houses.

“The committee learned that the overall state response to Hurricane Ike was an improvement from past hurricanes, such as Katrina and Rita,” the committee’s report states. “However, there were still many shortfalls.”

Chief among these, the committee said, was the Legislature’s failure in its last session to provide any money for its newly created Disaster Contingency Fund. At least $250 million is needed to pay for crucial housing and other services during the months that elapse between a disaster and the receipt of funds from the Federal Emergency Management Agency, the committee said.

The committee, chaired by Rep. Sylvester Turner, D-Houston, held six hearings throughout the areas affected by Ike and heard testimony on every facet of disaster preparation and response, from evacuation planning to insurance issues and debris removal.

The report did not include cost estimates for each of its recommendations, but those that it did include totaled about $421 million. The largest expenses were the $250 million for the emergency fund and the state’s estimated $167 million share of the $837 million cost of restoring UTMB to its pre-Ike status. FEMA would reimburse the state for the balance, the report says.

The need to set aside substantial sums in the Disaster Contingency Fund arose frequently in testimony at the committee’s hearings, as witnesses described long waits for federal funds to secure temporary housing or to remove piles of debris where corpses sometimes lay hidden.

The panel suggested that the state could use the fund to pay for 3,000 travel trailers to be deployed within 72 hours of a disaster to house Texans whose homes were rendered uninhabitable, allowing them to remain close to their jobs while they repair or rebuild.

Among the other recommendations:

—Establish, equip and staff two permanent facilities ­­— one in Lufkin and one in San Antonio — with supplies, computers and a small staff ready to deploy emergency food, water and other supplies after a disaster. The cost would be $3.7 million for two years.

—Require backup generators in disaster-prone areas at public utilities, certain gas stations and stores and facilities that provide live-in care to the ill, the elderly, low-income families and special-needs populations. Although the state already requires public utilities to have generators, the committee said, only 85 percent of those affected by Ike had complied, and a quarter of these generators failed or ran out of fuel.

—Grant coastal counties the authority to enact and enforce building codes in unincorporated areas and require that all residential and commercial structures within 80 miles of the Gulf Coast be built to withstand a Category 3 storm’s 130 mph winds.

—Add post-disaster supplies such as generators and battery-operated radios to the list of items exempted from sales taxes during the annual Memorial Day tax holiday.

—Provide funds to restore UTMB’s Level 1 trauma center, create a public hospital district for Galveston County and surrounding areas and commit to keeping UTMB on Galveston Island.

—Allow Galveston a two-year period in which it can keep the 6.35 cents in sales tax it currently pays the state. City officials had requested this step to help the city cope with extraordinary budget problems created by the loss of business and population since Ike.

— Create a new funding mechanism for the Texas Windstorm Insurance Association, established by the state to write policies in disaster-prone areas avoided by private insurers. The association is expected to pay $3 billion in claims from 2008 hurricanes, using up all of its trust fund and available reinsurance, the committee said.
Dry Slot - A zone of dry (and relatively cloud-free) air which wraps east- or northeastward into the southern and eastern parts of a synoptic scale or mesoscale low pressure system. A dry slot generally is seen best on satellite photographs.

Dry Line - A boundary separating moist and dry air masses, and an important factor in severe weather frequency in the Great Plains. It typically lies north-south across the central and southern high Plains states during the spring and early summer, where it separates moist air from the Gulf of Mexico (to the east) and dry desert air from the southwestern states (to the west). The dry line typically advances eastward during the afternoon and retreats westward at night. However, a strong storm system can sweep the dry line eastward into the Mississippi Valley, or even further east, regardless of the time of day. A typical dry line passage results in a sharp drop in humidity (hence the name), clearing skies, and a wind shift from south or southeasterly to west or southwesterly. (Blowing dust and rising temperatures also may follow, especially if the dry line passes during the daytime; see dry punch). These changes occur in reverse order when the dry line retreats westward. Severe and sometimes tornadic thunderstorms often develop along a dry line or in the moist air just to the east of it, especially when it begins moving eastward. See LP storm.
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Afternoon Folks.......Long Time No See....Nice to see so many of the regulars around today (does not surprise me in light of ongoing severe weather events and the pending start of our "Spring" cold fronts which can spawn dangerous tornadoes).........Let's hope and pray that the US economy picks up (although it may take several years given current conditions) so that the FEMA folks, and other entities as mentioned in the article posted by Patrap, will actually be able to "get" the proper funding to follow through with their recommendations and that mission critical aspects of NOAA/NWS like upgaded techology and a full fleet of working aircraft for research and hurricane seasons do not take a huge hit over the next two years.......
On a lighter note if I may :)

Now that Vancouver is to host the 2010 Winter Olympics these are some questions people the world over are asking! Believe it or not these questions about Canada were posted on an International Tourism Website. Obviously the answers are jokes, and the questions are hilarious; but sadly the questions were really asked. Ohhhhhhhh, Canada !!!




Q: I have never seen it warm on Canadian TV, so how do the plants grow? (UK)
A: We import all plants fully grown and then just sit around and watch them die.

Q: Will I be able to see Polar Bears in the street? (USA)
A: Depends on how much you've been drinking.

Q: I want to walk from Vancouver to Toronto-can I follow the Railroad tracks? (Sweden)
A: Sure, it 's only Four thousand miles, take lots of water.

Q: Is it safe to run around in the bushes in Canada? (Sweden)
A: So it's true what they say about Swedes.

Q: It is imperative that I find the names and addresses of places to contact for a stuffed Beaver. (Italy)
A: Let's not touch this one.

Q: Are there any ATM's(cash machines) in Canada? Can you send me a list of them in Toronto, Vancouver, Edmonton and Halifax? (UK)
A: What did your last slave die of?

Q: Can you give me some information about hippo racing in Canada? (USA)
A: A-fri-ca is the big triangle shaped continent south of Europe. Ca-na-da is that big country to your North...oh forget it. Sure, the hippo racing is every Tuesday night in Calgary. Come naked.

Q: Which direction is North in Canada?(USA)
A: Face south and then turn 180 degrees Contact us when you get here and we'll send the rest of the directions.

Q: Can I bring cutlery into Canada? (UK)
A: Why? Just use your fingers like we do.

Q: Can you send me the Vienna Boys' Choir schedule? (USA)
A: Aus-tri-a is that quaint little country bordering Ger-man-y, which is...oh forget it. Sure, the Vienna Boys Choir plays every Tuesday night in Vancouver and in Calgary, straight after the hippo races. Come naked.

Q: Do you have perfume in Canada? (Germany)
A: No, WE don't stink.

Q: I have developed a new product that is the fountain of youth. Can you sell it in Canada?(USA)
A: Anywhere significant numbers of Americans gather.

Q: Can you tell me the regions in British Columbia where the female population is smaller than the male population? (Italy)
A: Yes, gay nightclubs.

Q: Do you celebrate Thanksgiving in Canada? (USA)
A: Only at Thanksgiving.

Q: Are there supermarkets inToronto and is milk available all year round? (Germany)
A: No, we are a peaceful civilization of Vegans. Milk is illegal.

Q: I have a question about a famous animal in Canada, but I forget its name. It's a kind of big horse with horns. (USA)
A: It's called a Moose. They are tall and very violent, eating the brains of anyone walking close to them. You can scare them off by spraying yourself with human urine before you go out walking.

Q: Will I be able to speak English most places I go? (USA)
A: Yes, but you will have to learn it first.

Hats off and a bow to freshman Congressman Fleming from the great state of Louisiana.
A true standup guy.
Dewpoints ahead of a dry line can reach anywhere from the 70's and in rare cases exceed the 80 degree mark. Behind it dewpoints can bottom out to around 0.

The middle of next week could be a repeat of last week. Potential superstorm moving up from the Gulf followed by arctic air makes it's presence felt all the way down into Florida. Of course there's still some uncertainties at this point. Let's just wait and see what happens.
This is pretty interesting...


2 communications satellites collide 500 miles up; NASA says risk to space station low




Associated Press



CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla. - Two communications satellites have collided in the first-ever crash of two intact spacecraft in orbit, NASA said Wednesday.

The collision occurred Tuesday nearly 500 miles over Siberia. The crash produced a pair of massive debris clouds, and the magnitude of the situation won't be known for weeks at least, said NASA spokesman Kelly Humphries.
67. sullivanweather

Wow, those puppies ain't cheap. Russian Sat out of control...could be the lawyers have fun with this.

Thanks for the interesting tidbit!
Ten-day forecast for West Palm has temps a week from Friday...highs in the low 60's...lows Saturday morning in the upper 30's
Quoting sullivanweather:
This is pretty interesting...


The collision occurred Tuesday nearly 500 miles over Siberia. The crash produced a pair of massive debris clouds, and the magnitude of the situation won't be known for weeks at least, said NASA spokesman Kelly Humphries.


This aught to get the conspiracy radicals going... accident... over Siberia...outer space..I can see it now.
Quoting theshepherd:
Hats off and a bow to freshman Congressman Fleming from the great state of Louisiana.
A true standup guy.


About the bill canceling the automatic congressional pay raise?
Quoting theshepherd:
Hats off and a bow to freshman Congressman Fleming from the great state of Louisiana.
A true standup guy.


-or- about refusing to go along with Pelosi-led bleeding heart liberal spending in the stealfromus package?

I think Pelosi stepped in it by not sticking to the task at hand. We do not need an ADD speaker right now.

Back to the weather!

A bunch of wind gusts measured in the 60s and 70s today: http://www.spc.noaa.gov/climo/reports/today.html
Just thought I'd share this with everyone.

I just got power back on here, thankfully. I'm in Marietta Ohio, and we just had a line of fast moving severe thunderstorms from the same system that spawned the Oklahoma tornadoes.

We have Downed trees and power lines. Water actually poured into the cracks around the windows on one side of the house because of the severe winds that lasted about 10 minutes. The Weather Channel report from the nearby Wood County Airport shows that wind gusts were in excess of 93 mph, with sustained winds of near 50 mph.

It literally sounded like we were in the eyewall of a hurricane. Just a roar as winds ripped trough the trees. Thought about going to the basement, but figured it was only straightline winds.
Good evening everyone. Had a quick question to all the weather guru's and people of knowledge. I have to write an essay and I was wondering if anyone can provide a link or at least point me in the right direction. I need to define climate change and global warming. And here's the kicker, I have to keep it under 250 words. Any help will be appreciated.


Just to give a laugh....

Colleen Wood / Southern Ash Wildlife Shelter via Reuters
A koala nicknamed Bob puts his paw around fellow fire survivor Sam at the Southern Ash Wildlife Shelter in Rawson, Australia, on Wednesday.

Aussies find symbols of hope in two koalas
One was rescued after accepting water from fireman; both now recovering Link

SYDNEY - A bond between two burned koalas rescued from Australia's deadliest wildfires has provided some heart-warming relief after days of devastation and the loss of more than 180 lives and possibly millions of animals.

The story of the koalas emerged after volunteer firefighter David Tree used a mobile phone to photograph and film the rescue of the bewildered female, since nicknamed Sam, that was found cowering in a burned-out forest at Mirboo North, 90 miles southeast of Melbourne.

Photos and a video of Tree, 44, approaching Sam while talking gently to her, and feeding her water from a plastic bottle as she put her burned claw in his cold, wet hand quickly hit video sharing Web site YouTube, making her an Internet sensation.

71 & 72 atmo
time will tell...
PUBLIC INFORMATION STATEMENT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NORMAN OK
435 PM CST WED FEB 11 2009

...PRELIMINARY SURVEY INFORMATION CONCERNING THE TORNADOES IN
CENTRAL AND SOUTHERN OKLAHOMA TUESDAY FEBRUARY 10...

AT LEAST THREE TORNADOES OCCURRED IN CENTRAL AND SOUTHERN OKLAHOMA
YESTERDAY AFTERNOON AND EVENING.

...TORNADO ONE...
THE FIRST TORNADO OF THE DAY TOUCHED DOWN APPROXIMATELY 233 PM IN
FAR EASTERN CANADIAN COUNTY ABOUT 3 MILES NORTHWEST OF BETHANY. THE
TORNADO TRACKED NORTHEAST ACROSS PORTIONS OF NORTHWEST OKLAHOMA CITY
AND NORTHWEST EDMOND CAUSING SIGNIFICANT DAMAGE. THE TORNADO
DISSIPATED APPROXIMATELY 4 MILES SOUTH-SOUTHEAST OF SEWARD IN
SOUTHERN LOGAN COUNTY AT ABOUT 307 PM. THE INTENSITY OF THIS TORNADO
VARIED FROM EF0 TO EF2...WITH THE MOST INTENSE DAMAGE OCCURRING IN
NORTHWEST EDMOND.

...TORNADO TWO...
THE SECOND TORNADO WAS SPAWNED BY THE SAME SUPERCELL THUNDERSTORM
THAT PRODUCED TORNADO NUMBER ONE. THIS TORNADO TOUCHED DOWN AT
ABOUT 330 PM APPROXIMATELY 3 MILES SOUTH OF LANGSTON. THE TORNADO
TRACKED NORTHEAST ACROSS RURAL AREAS AND DISSIPATED APPROXIMATELY 3
MILES SOUTHWEST OF STILLWATER AT ABOUT 355 PM. THE INTENSITY OF
THIS TORNADO REMAINS UNKNOWN.

...TORNADO THREE...
THE THIRD TORNADO LIKELY APPROACHED THE RED RIVER NEAR PETERSBURG IN
EXTREME SOUTHEAST JEFFERSON COUNTY AT ABOUT 650 PM. THIS TORNADO WAS
UP TO ONE-HALF MILE WIDE AS IT TRACKED NORTHEAST CROSSING NORTHWEST
LOVE COUNTY AND SOUTHERN CARTER COUNTY WHERE IT STRUCK THE TOWN OF
LONE GROVE BETWEEN 725 AND 730 PM CAUSING EXTENSIVE DAMAGE. THE
TORNADO PRODUCED 8 FATALITIES AND NUMEROUS INJURIES IN THE LONE
GROVE AREA. THIS TORNADO REACHED EF4 INTENSITY ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF
LONE GROVE IMPLYING WINDS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 170 MPH.
THE
TORNADO THEN CONTINUED NORTHEAST CROSSING INTERSTATE 35 NORTH OF
ARDMORE BEFORE DISSIPATING IN FAR SOUTHEAST MURRAY COUNTY
APPROXIMATELY 5 MILES SOUTHEAST OF DOUGHERTY AT AROUND 800 PM.

THIS INFORMATION IS PRELIMINARY AND DETAILS MAY CHANGE SLIGHTLY AS
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION BECOMES AVAILABLE. SOME AREAS REMAINED
INACCESSIBLE TO SURVEY TEAMS. IT IS POSSIBLE THAT THE FINAL EF
RATINGS MAY VARY SLIGHTLY OR THAT ADDITIONAL SURVEYS REVEAL BREAKS
IN SOME OF THE TORNADO TRACKS SUGGESTING SEPARATE SHORTER TRACK
TORNADOES OCCURRED.

ADDITIONAL INFORMATION MAY ALSO BE FOUND ON THE NORMAN NATIONAL
WEATHER SERVICE WEBSITE AT WEATHER.GOV/NORMAN
76 pat
If that's not a prime example of one of God's finest little critters, I'll kiss your butt and give you 2 hrs to draw a crowd.
Imagine trying to give a grown wild racoon a drink of water???
During the flood after Katrina..I saw many a Dog, raccoon and Rat's,sharing a roof.

T'was quite a sight to say the least.
75 lol
Maintaining highs of 60 every day for a few days in N VA were getting some thunder storms tonight I we're lucky I notices TS can mean thunder storms or tropical storm is there a different way to refer to one of these differently
Quoting viman:
Good evening everyone. Had a quick question to all the weather guru's and people of knowledge. I have to write an essay and I was wondering if anyone can provide a link or at least point me in the right direction. I need to define climate change and global warming. And here's the kicker, I have to keep it under 250 words. Any help will be appreciated.

For a quick fix, google wikepedia.
If you want to "learn" about the theory, click back through Dr Masters' and Dr Rood's blog entries.
Severe Thunderstorms Rip Across North and Central Texas
February 10th, 2009


An outbreak of severe thunderstorms occurred across much of north and central Texas on Tuesday, February 10, 2009. The severe weather started during the afternoon hours and persisted for about 6 hours. Reports of damaging thunderstorm winds were numerous, but some of the storms also produced large hail up to 2 inches in diameter. Damage surveys were ongoing at the time of this report, but it is likely that several tornadoes also occurred across north Texas.

The severe weather outbreak was fueled by an unstable airmass characterized by unseasonably warm temperatures and high humidity values. Thunderstorms developed along and just east of an advancing surface cold front. A powerful upper level low pressure system, with jet stream level winds over 140 mph, moved from New Mexico into west Texas during the afternoon and evening hours.

There were two primary reasons for the widespread nature of the severe weather on February 11: 1) very cold air at 15,000 feet above the ground moved over a very warm and moist airmass near the surface, creating a very high level of instability; 2) the low and mid level wind fields associated with the upper level system were intense, creating a high vertical wind shear environment favorable for organized severe thunderstorms.


PUBLIC INFORMATION STATEMENT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE FORT WORTH TX
1259 PM CST WED FEB 11 2009

...PRELIMINARY DAMAGE SURVEY INFORMATION IN HUNT COUNTY...

SIGNIFICANT DAMAGE OCCURRED IN THE SOUTHWEST PART OF THE CITY OF
GREENVILLE IN HUNT COUNTY. HALF OF THE ROOF WAS BLOWN OFF A MEDICAL
OFFICE BUILDING AND AN APARTMENT BUILDING JUST EAST OF THERE HAD
SOME ROOFING MATERIAL REMOVED. IN DOWNTOWN...A LARGE AWNING
COLLAPSED FROM HIGH WIND. BASED ON THE DAMAGE PATTERNS OBSERVED...
THIS DAMAGE IN HUNT COUNTY WAS LIKELY CAUSED BY A THUNDERSTORM
DOWNBURST WITH MAXIMUM WINDS OF AROUND 70 MPH.

---------------------------------------------------

...PRELIMINARY DAMAGE SURVEY INFORMATION IN TARRANT COUNTY...

THIS STATEMENT ISSUED AT 1152 AM CST WED FEB 11 2009

AN NWS STORM SURVEY TEAM FOUND EVIDENCE OF EF1 TORNADO DAMAGE IN THE
CITY OF COLLEYVILLE IN NORTHEAST TARRANT COUNTY. PRELIMINARY
ESTIMATES INDICATE A ONE HALF MILE LONG DAMAGE PATH THAT IS
APPROXIMATELY 100 YARDS WIDE. THE DAMAGE PATH BEGINS NEAR THE CORNER
OF PRIMROSE LANE AND HEATHERMORE AND EXTENDS NORTHEAST. AT LEAST 5
HOMES SUSTAINED ROOF OR STRUCTURAL DAMAGE. MAXIMUM WINDS WERE
ESTIMATED AT 90 MPH.

THE INFORMATION CONTAINED IN THIS STATEMENT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED
PRELIMINARY AND IS SUBJECT TO CHANGE AFTER ALL INFORMATION AND
DATA IS COMPILED.
We are in the clear as far as severe weather warnings, however it is quite breezy. Winds 20mph /Gusts 33mph
Nasty squall line moving into Pennsylvania right now.



SEVERE WEATHER STATEMENT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE PITTSBURGH PA
759 PM EST WED FEB 11 2009

MDC023-OHC029-081-PAC003-005-007-019-051-059-063-073-085-121-125-129-
WVC009-029-049-061-069-077-093-120130-
/O.CON.KPBZ.SV.W.0007.000000T0000Z-090212T0130Z/
GARRETT MD-COLUMBIANA OH-JEFFERSON OH-FAYETTE PA-ARMSTRONG PA-
WASHINGTON PA-ALLEGHENY PA-WESTMORELAND PA-BEAVER PA-INDIANA PA-
BUTLER PA-GREENE PA-VENANGO PA-MERCER PA-LAWRENCE PA-TUCKER WV-
MARION WV-PRESTON WV-MONONGALIA WV-OHIO WV-BROOKE WV-HANCOCK WV-
759 PM EST WED FEB 11 2009

...A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 830 PM EST
FOR GARRETT COUNTY IN WESTERN MARYLAND...AND JEFFERSON AND COLUMBIANA
COUNTIES IN EAST CENTRAL OHIO...AND MERCER AND VENANGO COUNTIES IN
NORTHWEST PENNSYLVANIA...AND GREENE...WESTMORELAND...ALLEGHENY...
WASHINGTON AND FAYETTE COUNTIES IN SOUTHWEST PENNSYLVANIA...AND
BUTLER...INDIANA AND ARMSTRONG COUNTIES IN WEST CENTRAL
PENNSYLVANIA...AND LAWRENCE AND BEAVER COUNTIES IN WESTERN
PENNSYLVANIA...AND HANCOCK...BROOKE...OHIO...MONONGALIA...PRESTON...
MARION AND TUCKER COUNTIES IN NORTHERN WEST VIRGINIA...

AT 756 PM EST...NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DOPPLER RADAR CONTINUED TO
INDICATE A LINE OF SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS CAPABLE OF PRODUCING
DESTRUCTIVE WINDS IN EXCESS OF 70 MPH. THESE STORMS WERE LOCATED
ALONG A LINE EXTENDING FROM 8 MILES WEST OF MAYSVILLE TO ELIZABETH
BORO TO MACKEYVILLE...MOVING NORTHEAST AT 50 MPH.

* OTHER LOCATIONS IN THE WARNING INCLUDE BUT ARE NOT LIMITED TO
WORTHINGTON... WINFIELD... WESTOVER...
WELLSBURG... WEIRTON... WANA...
WADESTOWN... VALLEY FALLS... TUNNELTON...
TOMLINSON RUN STATE PARK... SUN VALLEY...
STAR CITY...

DAMAGING WINDS UP TO 92 MPH MPH WERE REPORTED IN WEST MIFFLIN WITH
THIS STORM.
THIS IS A DANGEROUS STORM...SEEK SAFE SHELTER AND STAY
AWAY FROM WINDOWS!
The Weather Channnel is reporting a recent wind gust of 92MPH in the Pittsburgh area.

Thanks Shep, but the problem is I have to use references and Wikipedia cannot be used as a reference. Sorry it took so long to respond back, but I have been surfing.
I have winds up to 20 mph SWFL as well -- seems to be calming... Gulf went from lake flat to a washing machine this afternoon...
Quoting theshepherd:
76 pat
If that's not a prime example of one of God's finest little critters, I'll kiss your butt and give you 2 hrs to draw a crowd.
Imagine trying to give a grown wild racoon a drink of water???


I understand your point Shep... well, yes... I guess your right... a wild 'coon probably couldn't accept the gift
75
LMAO. Is that photoshopped? What location is it for?

82
That's "Wikipedia" (with an "i"). Link
I don't see any tornado warnings out for tonight..that is certainly good news
87.

http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=11175&page=11
Magnitude 7.2 - KEPULAUAN TALAUD, INDONESIA
2009 February 11 17:34:50 UTC
I know I keep harping on this but NASA keeps coming out with more stuff concerning how the polar vortex split end of January. Here's a quicktime on the left is the vortex, on the right, temps around 20km up. It really looks like excess heat worked it's way to the Artic, blew through the polar vortex, splitting it while venting alotta heat out to space. Sea ice regeneration halted with this event & hasn't begun since.
Quoting Skyepony:
I know I keep harping on this but NASA keeps coming out with more stuff concerning how the polar vortex split end of January. Here's a quicktime on the left is the vortex, on the right, temps around 20km up. It really looks like excess heat worked it's way to the Artic, blew through the polar vortex, splitting it while venting alotta heat out to space. Sea ice regeneration halted with this event & hasn't begun since.


Sky did the split cause the extreme cool temperatures that was experienced in the Northern States of the ConUS and Canada this year....??
TS~ That & the snow in London...
Quoting Skyepony:
TS~ That & the snow in London...


That makes sense......but, the release of heat into space should have allowed a cooling affect after.......Hummmm......that does not make sense to me....
On the SPC severe weather reports page one person died and one person was injured today from the severe weather.
Tropical Cyclone Outlook (Western Australia 110E-125E)
=================================
A weak Tropical Low [1002 hPa] lies off the west Kimberley coast and is likely to continue to move in a generally west southwest direction in the next 24 to 48 hours. It is unlikely to reach tropical cyclone intensity during Friday. It has some potential to develop into a tropical cyclone late on Saturday or more likely during Sunday.

There are no other lows of interest in the area and none are likely to develop during the outlook period.

Tropical Cyclone Formation Potential
==============================
Friday: Low
Saturday: Moderate
Sunday: High

Sky i think this is what you are referring about........

Left Click this Graphic and it will Loop and you can see the split and the release of heat......WOW! Don't know what it means?? Has it happened before?

Quoting Skyepony:
TS~ That & the snow in London...


Yup, it's been far too cold here. And still is.

No signs of picking it up, either. :(
Asian stocks down amid pessimism over US plans
Published - Feb 12 2009 12:37AM EST

By JEREMIAH MARQUEZ - AP Business Writer



Asian stock markets fell Thursday, with Japan's benchmark losing almost 3 percent, amid doubts that U.S. plans costing trillions of dollars will soon restore the health of the world's largest economy.

Investors seemed more wary than relieved after U.S. lawmakers finally agreed overnight to a $790 billion stimulus bill designed to pull the economy out of recession by creating jobs through spending and tax cuts.
Tokyo's Nikkei stock average lost 232.46 points, or 2.9 percent, to 7,713.48 as Japan's market caught up with region-wide losses on Wednesday after being closed for a national holiday. Hong Kong's Hang Seng lost 305.89 points, or 2.3 percent, to 13,233.32.

South Korea's Kospi lost 1.4 percent, Shanghai's main index was off 2.5 percent and Taiwan's benchmark retreated 2.1 percent.


Holly Crap...Not good for tomorrow it looks like for the DOW.....
The governor of the Bank of England, Mervyn King, has warned that the UK is "in a deep recession" in 2009 and said rate cuts may no longer work.

In its latest forecast for economic growth and inflation, the Bank says that the UK economy will decline sharply in the first half of the year.

And it says that there is a significant risk that the recession will be even longer and deeper than expected.

The Bank forecasts the economy will shrink by 4% from mid-2008 to mid-2009...

Link

Though, at least we're due for an election within the next 12 months.
Quoting Cotillion:
The governor of the Bank of England, Mervyn King, has warned that the UK is "in a deep recession" in 2009 and said rate cuts may no longer work.

In its latest forecast for economic growth and inflation, the Bank says that the UK economy will decline sharply in the first half of the year.

And it says that there is a significant risk that the recession will be even longer and deeper than expected.

The Bank forecasts the economy will shrink by 4% from mid-2008 to mid-2009...

Link

Though, at least we're due for an election within the next 12 months.


The whole world buys and borrows what they don't have and live way beyond their means......except those in Poverty of course...
(have to say it)
109 Days till Hurricane season,
SkyePony and TampaSpin -

Thank you both for the great videos and terrifying postings. I want to learn more about this event. Anyone have any studies?
I know that the Pacific ocean southern hemisphere is getting a LOT of heat lately - I think this might have contributed to the event - conduction through the large body of water - I also wonder if the volcanic activity in Alaska has any effect on temperature... This is all silly conjecture I guess but I'm trying to understand this odd event... ideas TampaSpin?
Searches and cleanup continue in Oklahoma
By TIM TALLEY – 3 hours ago

LONE GROVE, Okla. (AP) — Standing in a field of debris where mobile homes once stood, Sue Rose wondered how a half-mile wide tornado could ravage nearly everything in sight and take so many lives but spare hers.

"I don't know how I made it," said Rose, who rode out Tuesday's storm in a trailer at the Bar K Mobile Home Park with family members.

"I tried to keep the kids calm. We just prayed," she said, fighting back tears Wednesday.

Rose's home was heavily damaged and dozens more were destroyed after a tornado with winds estimated at 170 mph ripped through Lone Grove just after dark Tuesday night.

Search and rescue crews were expected on Thursday to resume the task of sifting through scattered bricks and beams to find any remaining victims.

The Oklahoma Department of Emergency Management reported eight deaths early Wednesday and Carter County Sheriff Ken Grace said a man who was injured in the storm and transferred to a Dallas hospital died later in the day.

"The majority of the deaths appeared to be blunt force trauma to the head," said Cherokee Ballard, a spokeswoman for the state medical examiner's office.

President Barack Obama spoke to Gov. Brad Henry and Oklahoma Sens. Jim Inhofe and Tom Coburn and "passed along his condolences and best wishes to the victims," White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said.

Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano also offered Henry "any and all support" to help rebuild infrastructure destroyed by the storm, as well as support to those who lost their homes.

Most of the deaths occurred in the mobile home park, where no tornado shelter was available for residents to take refuge. In one case, a victim was found underneath a pickup truck the tornado had lifted and dropped on him.

There also were miraculous tales of survival. People who were huddling in a closet grabbed a woman after the tornado blew part of the roof off and threatened to carry her away. Rescuers found another woman injured but alive under an overturned mobile home.

Firefighters methodically searched each damaged or destroyed structure in Lone Grove on Wednesday, spray-painting a large X on homes after inspection and allowing residents to go in and check for belongings.

Ginger Byrne got to look for cherished possessions in a pile of rubble that used to be her mobile home. The tornado picked it up and dropped it about 100 feet north of where it had stood.

"I found my Bible, my mother's ring," Byrne said. "It's just stuff. I have memories in my heart."

It may take months, even years, before the community of about 4,600 fully recovers, but Henry said state residents have "become very good at responding to disaster."

"Oklahomans have gone through this kind of disaster before," he said. "We know what we are doing. We will rebuild."

Sheriff's Deputy David Gilley said between 100 and 150 homes were destroyed in the town, located about 100 miles south of Oklahoma City.

Residents apparently had good warning of the approaching twister. The National Weather Service issued a tornado warning, meaning a tornado is imminent and residents should take shelter, at 6:50 p.m. for Carter County. Another was issued at 7:15 p.m. when the actual tornado was spotted. The tornado hit Lone Grove at 7:25 p.m.

The Lone Grove tornado was the third to cause multiple fatalities in the state since March 2007, when a Panhandle couple became the state's first tornado deaths in almost six years.

The storm took many by surprise because even in tornado-prone Oklahoma, February twisters are rare. According to the weather service, 44 have touched down in the state during the month of February since 1950.

Two other tornadoes hit the Oklahoma City metro area and in north-central Oklahoma late Tuesday. No serious injuries were reported in the Oklahoma City storm, but at least six homes were destroyed and businesses were damaged there, officials said.

Oklahoma's severe weather season generally begins in March and runs through mid-June, a fact not lost on Henry, who wondered whether this was a fluke or a sign of things to come in the spring.

"It's a big concern. I kind of thought we were still in winter."


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sian stock markets fell Thursday, with Japan's benchmark losing almost 3 percent, amid doubts that U.S. plans costing trillions of dollars will soon restore the health of the world's largest economy.

Investors seemed more wary than relieved after U.S. lawmakers finally agreed overnight to a $790 billion stimulus bill designed to pull the economy out of recession by creating jobs through spending and tax cuts.
Tokyo's Nikkei stock average lost 232.46 points, or 2.9 percent, to 7,713.48 as Japan's market caught up with region-wide losses on Wednesday after being closed for a national holiday. Hong Kong's Hang Seng lost 305.89 points, or 2.3 percent, to 13,233.32.

South Korea's Kospi lost 1.4 percent, Shanghai's main index was off 2.5 percent and Taiwan's benchmark retreated 2.1 percent.

Holly Crap...Not good for tomorrow it looks like for the DOW.....



The rest of the world doesn't like the stimulis package, not enough substance too much pork,
the american press won't tell that story because their protecting Obama, the rest of the world is speaking out with their money.
America can slove this problem
TAKE OUT THE PORK and EARMARKS!
rainmound~ Here's NASA's write up on it. Seems like the really deep warm core low that we had tracked played a big part. From what I understand this is the 1st time the polar vortex has split since we've had the satellites up there to see it. Before that we really don't know..

TS~ odd how a bit of heat comes up out of the east Atlantic. The whole area has cooled considerably since mid Jan.
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The rest of the world doesn't like the stimulis package, not enough substance too much pork,
the american press won't tell that story because their protecting Obama, the rest of the world is speaking out with their money.
America can slove this problem
TAKE OUT THE PORK and EARMARKS!
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Yes, the rest of the world is waiting with an elitist crooked finger, as usual, for us to solve their problems also.
Yes, the American Press is all over the issue.
Yes, it is politics as usual.
Yes, "Line Item Veto" is in thundering silence at the moment. Far be it for a President to actually have any more power than the Queen of England. Far be it for the President not to be able to hide behind the Congressional apron.
Hi all.... just wondering if you want me to continue with the updates from the Victorian bushfires.
Quoting AussieStorm:
Hi all.... just wondering if you want me to continue with the updates from the Victorian bushfires.
Hello Aussie: Updates will be appreciated and we certainly hope things are getting better.
Quoting AussieStorm:
Hi all.... just wondering if you want me to continue with the updates from the Victorian bushfires.

I'm sure the majority here appreciates your info.
Our press is obsessed with the Stimulus Package.
Aussie~ YES...make with the news:) What is going on over there?
Yes Aussie...I appreciate your posts.

It is true that wild animals who are injured or under dire conditions will allow even welcome human intervention. they often behave as if there is truce between the carnivores and the herbivores while under such stress. Then back to predator prey, it has been documented many times over the years. This should be a very interesting weather year.
Aussie do keep us informed please.
Quoting trunkmonkey:
sian stock markets fell Thursday, with Japan's benchmark losing almost 3 percent, amid doubts that U.S. plans costing trillions of dollars will soon restore the health of the world's largest economy.

Investors seemed more wary than relieved after U.S. lawmakers finally agreed overnight to a $790 billion stimulus bill designed to pull the economy out of recession by creating jobs through spending and tax cuts.
Tokyo's Nikkei stock average lost 232.46 points, or 2.9 percent, to 7,713.48 as Japan's market caught up with region-wide losses on Wednesday after being closed for a national holiday. Hong Kong's Hang Seng lost 305.89 points, or 2.3 percent, to 13,233.32.

South Korea's Kospi lost 1.4 percent, Shanghai's main index was off 2.5 percent and Taiwan's benchmark retreated 2.1 percent.

Holly Crap...Not good for tomorrow it looks like for the DOW.....



The rest of the world doesn't like the stimulis package, not enough substance too much pork,
the american press won't tell that story because their protecting Obama, the rest of the world is speaking out with their money.
America can slove this problem
TAKE OUT THE PORK and EARMARKS!


There are ZERO earmarks in the bill,when in the last 8 years have you ever saw that????,Know what your talking about,please don't just make stuff up!!!!!
our new president has "inherited" this problem from the bush crew,remember he's only been our president for less than a month,give the guy a chance atleast.I mean how many dems. were in bushes cabnet???...0......
Quoting AussieStorm:
Hi all.... just wondering if you want me to continue with the updates from the Victorian bushfires.


100%,yes!!!!!
Quoting AussieStorm:
Hi all.... just wondering if you want me to continue with the updates from the Victorian bushfires.


and we're all prayin for your country!!!
Tornado tears through golf course
A rare tornado hits the Kapolei Golf Course
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injuring a man trying to warn golfers of the oncoming danger


A twister touched down on Kapolei Golf Course yesterday, blowing an employee into a glass door and hospitalizing him, officials said.

The man, in his 30s, was taken to a hospital in stable condition, said Bryan Cheplic, Honolulu Emergency Services Department spokesman.

The tornado surprised motorists on the H-1 freeway and scattered golfers at the sold-out course as it cut across six holes. It was the first tornado on Oahu since one in Aiea in December 2005, according to the National Weather Service.

The tornado touched down yesterday at about 1 p.m., caused by the unstable atmosphere across the island chain, weather service officials said.

Today the tradewinds will return with possible thunderstorms and heavy rain in the afternoon.

A high-pressure system building up in the northeast will push away the low that is causing the unstable atmosphere, and will also bring strong winds this weekend, said meteorologist Ray Tanabe.

The weather service issued a high-wind watch, which means possible sustained winds of 40 mph and gusts of 58 mph, for all islands from tomorrow evening to Sunday afternoon.

At Kapolei the tornado came with little warning.

The golf course employee, who is 6 feet 1 inch tall and 250 pounds, was trying to get customers indoors when the tornado tossed him about four feet backward into a glass door, said Ken Terao, golf operations manager and golf pro of the course.

The employee hit his head on the door, which did not break.

Afterward he fainted and was taken to the hospital but was later released, Terao said.

At about 1 p.m. Terao was watching a distant funnel cloud. He saw a dust cloud swirling on the ground about 70 feet away, then reach hundreds of feet into the sky.

The tornado came right at him, and he ducked into a building.

It blew across the golf cart staging area, tossed a golf cart 60 feet into a tractor, and tore out cart windows and seats. It ripped off fragments of the Pro Shop roof and continued about a mile across six holes, pulling up trees in its narrow path.

Course officials sent customers a warning through a global positioning system on the carts. Terao ran back out after the twister passed.

"As soon as the wind died, I started chasing it because I needed to make sure the customers were off the course," he said. "(There was) no time to be scared."

About 140 people were on the course at the time.

The twister was erratic, sometimes moving at speeds of 25 to 30 mph, then hovering, Terao said. It lasted about five to 10 minutes.

"It went into the lake and turned into a water spout and was shooting water into the air," Terao said. "Then it just disappeared as fast as it came."

At the same time, Aaron Nahinu was driving westbound on H-1 near the Makakilo offramp when he saw a funnel cloud touch down on the mauka side.

"At first it was big but it wasn't strong-looking," he said. "It kind of just jumped over the freeway. It went right over our car."

"I was amazed by it," he said.

Torrential rain followed the tornado.

About half an hour after it passed, the rain stopped, the sun came out and Terao reopened the golf course.

Management did not have a damage estimate yesterday.


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Many thanks to Dr. Masters, the WU Board and staff....and all of you for your faith and support....
Mardi Gras essentials: The scoop on throws, celebrities and new routes
Posted by Molly Reid, Staff writer, The Times-Picayune February 11, 2009 6:55PM
Categories: Mardi Gras, Top News Link

With Krewe du Vieux having kicked off the first big parade of Carnival last week, it's time to get serious.

Hard-core reveling is nigh, people. Stock up on silly string and six-packs. Give the old cooler a nice wash, and repair that broken wheel on your ladder-chair. Start your engines.

Those of you moaning that it's just another Mardi Gras, with all the same traffic hassles and superkrewe parades that last forever, are wrong.

This year's Carnival is chock full o' milestones, new parade routes and more blinking lights than a manic Christmas tree. Whether it's the hot new throw that you have to have or the doubloon that symbolizes 100 years of revelry, this Mardi Gras offers many reasons to party harder than before
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"There are ZERO earmarks in the bill,when in the last 8 years have you ever saw that????,Know what your talking about,please don't just make stuff up!!!!!"
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"Write about what you know".
What is an earmark?
Any thing like the millions "earmarked" for Pelosi's district to aid the Harvest Field Mouse??? By the way, she claims she had no knowledge of this???

Neil Young confirmed for Jazz Fest as Aretha Franklin drops out Link

Victoria's bushfire smoke covers parts of New Zealand's South Island


This fire map of the entire globe shows blazes from the past 10 days. Red spots are where small blazes have been seen, yellow represents much larger fires. Picture: NASA/MODIS
Fears mount arsonists killed 130 in Victorian bushfires
Article from: Herald Sun

Geraldine Mitchell

February 13, 2009

FEARS are mounting that arsonists lit the Marysville blaze that may have killed as many as 100 people.

Police now suspect arsonists could have caused the deaths of more than 130 people in the weekend's horrific fires.

As another deliberately lit fire broke out in Ivanhoe, in Melbourne's east, Premier John Brumby confirmed police were investigating the causes of several blazes around the state.

Police have released a computer image of a man, in his 20s and about 180cm tall, who was seen before the Ivanhoe grass fire broke out.

And a Country Fire Authority volunteer who spent the week battling bushfires has died in a suspicious house fire in Melbourne.

CFA volunteers are still battling 15 fires across Victoria after containing 17 others and bringing 99 under control.

Mr Brumby said yesterday a large police team was making progress with its investigation into the blazes that had killed 181 people and destroyed 1069 homes. "It's devastating," Mr Brumby said.

Police Chief Commissioner Christine Nixon said evidence was mounting that the Marysville inferno was deliberately lit.

"There are a number of the other fires that fire investigators believe have been suspicious because of the way the fire behaved, and there's the suggestion that perhaps the Marysville fire was deliberately lit," she said.

In other developments into the worst natural disaster in Australian history:

THE State Government will today announce the head of the royal commission, with its terms of reference to be released on Monday.

A $10,000 compensation payment from the Victorian bushfire appeal will be paid to the families of fire victims.

THE Red Cross Bushfire Appeal reached $55 million.

THE CFA fears two fires in the northeast could merge and threaten Thompson dam, Melbourne's main water supply.

TWO men arrested at Taggerty on suspicion of arson were released without charge.

Andrew Bolt

Victoria Police Deputy Commissioner Simon Overland also said fires that have claimed the lives of 21 Gippslanders might have been the work of a serial arsonist.



Mr Brumby said there was every indication that the Mansfield fire, which started yesterday, was deliberately lit.

"There would seem to be no doubt at all that that fire's been deliberately lit. It's devastating," he said at the Healesville Memorial Hall east of Melbourne, which has become the town's emergency relief centre.

"Again what do you say about this except that we have a huge police team which is out there trying to track down any of these people responsible."

Water bombing aircraft were used to quell the 15-hectare Mansfield fire, which broke out in a pine plantation southeast of the town.

Speaking in Morwell, Mr Overland said police were close to releasing a photofit of the suspect in the Gippsland fires.

"There has been a serial arsonist in this area for some period time and we have been working on that," Mr Overland said.

"It's too early to say whether it was that person that was responsible for the fire that happened on Saturday, but that's obviously something we will follow through."

Mr Overland refused to be drawn on rumours that the person police were looking for could be a teenager seen riding into pine areas on a dirt bike.

"We are concerned about any information that might lead us to the person responsible," he said.

"The public has been wonderful passing information through to us and we ask them to continue to do that.

"Even the smallest pieces of information are important and it could be that one piece of information that helps us put the jigsaw together."

More than 150 detectives are working on investigating fires across the state
Stars line up to help Victorian bushfire victims
Article from: Herald Sun

February 13, 2009

AUSTRALIA'S highest profile stars have raised more than $20 million for bushfire victims in the Australia Unites telethon.

The Australia Unites telethon saw the likes of Russell Crowe, Shane Warne, Rove McManus, Kate Ritchie, Megan Gale and glamour couple Miranda Kerr and Orlando Bloom unite to raise much-needed funds.

Australian stars including Nicole Kidman and Keith Urban, Hugh Jackman, Rachel Griffiths, Naomi Watts, Anthony LaPaglia and Simon Baker, who could not make it back to Australia from the US in time for the telethon, recorded messages of support that were played throughout the night.

Kidman and Urban had even offered to fly to Melbourne from their home in Tennessee to be part of last night's event.

According to the appeal's host, Eddie McGuire, the couple were determined to do whatever they could to support the bushfire victims.

Channel 9's studios in Richmond were a hive of activity with well-known names flooding into the phone room to take donations.

Cathy Freeman, Liesel Jones, Grant Hackett, Chris Judd, Shane Crawford, Billy Slater, Ron Barassi, and Craig Lowndes were some of the sporting greats to give their time to the cause.

Leading music acts the Living End, Jessica Mauboy, Kate Ceberano and Jimmy Barnes performed at Channel 9, while former Men At Work frontman Colin Hay and Lee Kernaghan put on a concert at Whittlesea.

Channel 9 executive director Jeff Browne said the Australia Unites appeal had been an incredible undertaking.

"We have been overwhelmed at Channel 9 by the generosity of people wanting to donate money, goods and services to assist Victoria's bushfire victims," he said.

"We are humbled by all that and only hope that Australia Unites provides not only some tangible assistance to those in need but also some comfort to those who are grieving by demonstrating solidarity and good old Australian mateship."

The music industry is also doing its bit.

Sony Music last night launched a fundraising album, Bushfire Aid: Artists for the Bushfire Appeal.

Proceeds from the sale of the album – which features tracks by Bruce Springsteen, Billy Joel, Midnight Oil, John Butler Trio, Hoodoo Gurus, Delta Goodrem, John Farnham, Jessica Mauboy and Wes Carr – will go to the Salvation Army Bushfire Appeal
PM Rudd, Opposition Leader Turnbull wear ribbons in support of bushfire victims
Article from: Herald Sun

Gerard McManus and AAP

February 13, 2009

KEVIN Rudd has announced a national day of mourning as he wore a yellow ribbon in support of bushfire victims.

Mr Rudd told federal parliament today there would be a national service to remember the victims after discussions with Premier John Brumby and Opposition Leader Malcolm Turnbull.

Mr Rudd, Mr Turnbull and Deputy Prime Minister Julia Gillard all wore a yellow ribbon, a symbol of strength and comfort, when they entered the House of Representatives this afternoon.

The Prime Minister and the Opposition Leader have already witnessed first-hand the devastation and human tragedy wrought by the fires in separate visits to Victoria this week.

They join other public figures and everyday Victorians in embracing the suggestion by the Herald Sun and the Brumby Government to wear yellow ribbons as a show of solidarity with victims, the grieving and emergency workers still combating the flames.

To read more on our yellow ribbon campaign for bushfire victims click here

The State Government is consulting with the Council of Churches on the details of the national service.

Mr Rudd said the Federal Government will provide support to the State Government to assist with organising both the national day of mourning and the remembrance service

Further details will be announced soon, he said.

"It is important, it is very important that the nation grieves," Mr Rudd said.

Mr Turnbull welcomed plans for a national day of mourning and a remembrance service.

"The nation will grieve, is grieving, and a focus for that grief is of enormous importance,'' he said.

Mr Turnbull read out a letter from his Liberal colleague, Fran Bailey, whose electorate of McEwen covers some of the worst-hit bushfire regions, including Kinglake and Maryville.

Ms Bailey has been among those communities all week and remains there.

Every ounce of assistance given to the victims had been welcomed, her statement said.

"Our communities and our nation have rallied like never before.

"The outpouring of comfort and support for survivors of the firestorm have provided the first rays of hope for the affected communities.''

The immediate priority was to help people to get some semblance of normality back in their lives.

"The need for understanding and assistance will last for long after the final flames have been doused and the smoke clears from our valleys.

"In the coming months and probably years there is much to be done in rebuilding our communities.''

Rebuilding townships that maximise the safety of people and have improved facilities and resources must be a long-term priority, she said.

Mr Rudd said the Government was in regular contact with the Insurance Council of Australia to ensure all claims made by bushfire victims were processed quickly.

The council had told the Government it was urgently putting in place a mechanism to allow it to play a coordinated role for the industry.

Industry representatives would be ready to assist fire victims in all affected areas.

Systems had been put in place for helping those who had complaints or problems with their claims, including a dedicated hotline.

At least 5000 people were expected to make claims, Mr Rudd said.

So far, 3124 emergency cash payments - totalling $3.7 million - had been made by Centrelink to more than 4,500 people.

More than 320 staff members were working in relief centres to process claims as quickly as possible.
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From the map it appears the fires are breaking out near the NE rainforests. Any word on the condition of the rainforest?
Quoting theshepherd:
127 aussie
From the map it appears the fires are breaking out near the NE rainforests. Any word on the condition of the rainforest?

Have not heard a thing about the NE fires. Only the NE floods.
Goodnight all.... my condolences to the people affected by the tornado's, I hope and pray for speedy recovery.
thanks for the updates Aussie
AussieStorm has done a great job of keeping us here informed of the terrible Fires and its toll down under.

We all appreciate your efforts AussieStorm.
Get some rest.
Quoting stillwaiting:


There are ZERO earmarks in the bill,when in the last 8 years have you ever saw that????,Know what your talking about,please don't just make stuff up!!!!!
our new president has "inherited" this problem from the bush crew,remember he's only been our president for less than a month,give the guy a chance atleast.I mean how many dems. were in bushes cabnet???...0......


Stillwaiting you have it all wrong......first of all it is full of PORK and the President which i support has nothing really to do with putting this Bill together......NOW we will see how good of President he will be by, using the LINE ITEM VETO....which he has full authority and power to do.....LOOK AT THE STOCKMARKET TODAY.....

Published: February 12, 2009 07:52 am

$9 million in hurricane disaster money available for East Texas counties Link

Jacksonville Progress

By Kelly Young

kyoung@jacksonvilleprogress.com

Nine East Texas counties soon will split more than $9 million in disaster-relief funds to help them recover from damages suffered during Hurricanes Ike and Dolly.

The East Texas Council of Governments will hold two public hearings next week to determine how the $9,224,823.25 from the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development will be distributed by the Office of Rural Community Affairs to Anderson, Cherokee, Gregg, Harrison, Marion, Panola, Rusk, Smith and Upshur counties.

“At the hearings we are going to tell the public our proposed methods of distribution for these funds, and then receive public comment on them,” said Julie Burnfield, community and economic development manager for ETCOG. “You can either do it through direct allocation, through a competitive process or you can do a combination of both. We are proposing to distribute the funds by direct allocation to the counties.”

The hearings will be held at 10 a.m. Monday, Feb. 16, and at 2 p.m. Wednesday, Feb. 18, at the ETCOG offices in Kilgore.

“The counties will apply to ORCA, and then ORCA will decide that Gregg County gets this much for this project and Cherokee County gets that much for that project,” Burnfield said.

The disaster relief monies will be separated into two types of projects, those concerning infrastructure and those concerning housing.

According to Burnfield, ORCA has established a two-month window, from March 20 until May 28, when it will accept grant applications for the relief funds.

Ken Hanna, Cherokee County’s emergency management coordinator, said he expects the county to see a share of the disaster relief funds; he is just waiting on ORCA to set its allocation levels so he can find out how much.

“There are quite a few different infrastructure projects in the county that the money could be used for, like water and wastewater systems and back-up generators,” he said. “ORCA will be prioritizing the project applications they receive and then making their allocations accordingly. We are submitting projects as they come in, but it hasn’t been decided yet how that money is going to be split up. The first thing we need to know is what our allocation is going to be.”

All members of the public are invited to attend the public hearings. ETCOG’s Kilgore offices are located at 3800 Stone Road.
"Write about what you know".
What is an earmark?
Any thing like the millions "earmarked" for Pelosi's district to aid the Harvest Field Mouse???


I've got no problem with people having problems with particular provisions of the stimulus package but is there any chance we can get people to stop with the distortions and lies about what's in there? The "Harvest Mouse" sleight of hand that theshepard is throwing out is actually funding for wetlands conservation nationwide. Yes, it could benefit the harvest mouse in California but calling it "millions "earmarked" for Pelosi's district" is beyond distortion - it's just flat out untrue. Here's Ducks Unlimited take on the wetlands conservation provision:

Washington, D.C. Feb. 5, 2009. The economic stimulus bill being considered in Congress is focusing on bridges and highways; yet there are potential opportunities for hunters and anglers to see improvements in the habitats they use. Ducks Unlimited is supporting stimulus money to be designated for conservation efforts which will conserve waterfowl and wildlife habitat and create thousands of badly needed jobs.

"Conservation projects like wetlands restoration were the original 'green jobs,'" said Scott Sutherland, director of the Ducks Unlimited Governmental Affairs Office. "These projects can be initiated rapidly and will improve habitat and water quality for years to come, all the while protecting and enhancing thousands of acres of waterfowl and wildlife habitat."

Wetlands restoration projects, like the kind undertaken through the North American Wetlands Conservation Act, could create more than 8,000 jobs nationwide - many are pre-approved and "shovel-ready" but lack the funding necessary to put them on the ground. Improvements to the National Wildlife Refuge System, which is supported in part by waterfowl hunters purchasing Federal Duck Stamps, could generate more than 18,000 jobs and improve critical waterfowl habitat in the breeding grounds, wintering areas and along the migratory flyways.

Sportsmen interested in having habitat for the fish and wildlife they love need to help ensure that provisions like these and others that benefit fish, waterfowl, and wildlife remain in the bill that reaches the president's desk. A simple phone call to your senators and representative, asking them to support job creation through funding for wildlife habitat, could mean acres of new and restored habitat and a stronger economy.

Sportsmen and women can call their congressmen today to request that they support funding for wildlife habitat restoration in the economic stimulus bill.


TampaSpin - Don't know what country you're living in but here in the good old USA there is no line item veto, at least not for the President.

Sigh... The only thing worse than GW talk is political talk. Cool pics of the Hawaii tornado Vortfix. Thanks.
Quoting captainhunter:
Sigh... The only thing worse than GW talk is political talk. Cool pics of the Hawaii tornado Vortfix. Thanks.


Right on!!!
139. AtsaFunnyToo 10:52 AM EST on February 12, 2009
TampaSpin - Don't know what country you're living in but here in the good old USA there is no line item veto, at least for the president


MY bad i forgot the 1996 ACT was overturned my LIBERAL JUDGES......and yes the bill is full of EarMarks and PORK......and yes i hope the President does something to fix this horrible bill sent my the Senate and House.....LETS HOPE SO!
House committee report details hurricane-related legislation recommendations
By SARAH MOORE
February, 11, 2009 Link

Texas is trying to improve its response to people's needs after hurricanes, but reforms for now are still just proposals.

A state House committee on Wednesday reported on its progress to date in identifying the greatest needs and how to provide the most help.

The Texas House Select Committee on Hurricane Ike Devastation to the Texas Gulf Coast presented a report it had been working on for the past 90 days.

Among its proposals:

 Establishment of a $250 million emergency contingency fund, with $100 million to be set aside for emergency housing funds.

 Strengthening building codes in hurricane zones.

 Tax-free hurricane recovery supplies, like radios, batteries, generators and the like.

 Reforms that would help utility companies cut costs and speed restoration of services.

State Rep. Sylvester Turner, D-Houston, committee chairman, outlined the proposals in an Internet-streamed news conference.

The committee comprises 15 legislators whose home districts were affected by hurricanes last year.

Jack Colley, state director of emergency management, worked with the committee to draft the proposals.

With many residents displaced by the storm still without an adequate place to live almost six months after Ike, a better contingency plan for emergency housing is essential, Turner said.

Money should be available within 72 hours of a major weather event like a hurricane, he said.

Rep. Mike Hamilton, R-Mauriceville, whose district was hard hit by Ike's storm surge, urged quick assistance to small municipalities and school districts.

"Cities in our area are still waiting on FEMA for refunds that have already been okayed," he said. "A lot of smaller cities don't have the money and are taking out loans."

Rep. Craig Eiland, D-Galveston, said, "Large cities can absorb losses from storms; small cities and school district just cannot."

Restoration of University of Texas Medical Branch at Galveston was also a priority, the committee agreed.

Eiland said it was essential to get UTMB back up and running to relieve pressure on other regional hospitals.

Another proposal for the legislature concerns tax-free emergency hurricane supplies, such as radios, batteries, generators and other such items. The sales tax waiver would be some form of expansion of the tax-free weekend for back-to-school shopping already in place.

Strengthened building codes were recommended within 80 miles of the Gulf, with the need being particularly stressed for nursing homes, hospitals, schools and other such facilities.

"Hurricanes will come again," Turner said. "It doesn't make any sense to keep building facilities that cannot with-stand Category 3 storms."

Turner said he did not have a total cost amount for all the proposals laid out in the report, but said it would be a prudent investment in Texas's future.

"If we don't do anything, the cost will continue to incur," he said.
Thanks Captain, NE.
Just trying to keep the discussion weather related.

Here's some short videos of the tornado on Oahu:

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Quoting AussieStorm:
This fire map of the entire globe shows blazes from the past 10 days. Red spots are where small blazes have been seen, yellow represents much larger fires. Picture: NASA/MODIS

That is truly chilling. I did not realize that the fires covered such a large area of Australia. That yellow area - it's incredible. I was looking for a real-time map showing active/contained/safe areas, and found one at Landgate-Firewatch.
Firewatch Map Service - Public Access Please note: to enhance community access to FireWatch, the previous zoom level restrictions have now been removed from this service.
Though the zoom is disabled, you can draw a box around the area of interest for a closer look. Also if you know the longitude/latitude, you can zoom to that point.

Aussie, I know that you have left the blog, but if you catch this post later and if you have a link to a better real time map, so we can follow the progress, would you please post it on Jeff's blog. Thanking you for your information. Much appreciated.
Quoting TampaSpin:


MY bad i forgot the 1996 ACT was overturned my LIBERAL JUDGES......and yes the bill is full of EarMars and PORK......and yes i hope the President does something to fix this horrible bill sent my the Senate and House.....LETS HOPE SO!


Yeah, liberal judges like William Rehnquist and Clarence Thomas. Maybe you should buy a clue before you type, TS. BTW - do you even know what an earmark is?
Quoting vortfix:
Thanks Captain, NE.
Just trying to keep the discussion weather related.

Here's some short videos of the tornado on Oahu:

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Sorry,
Guys just got caught up into Crap....won't drift away again....
MLC has a good political blog. Well many of us like it. But there are political blogs out there to keep it off here and attempt to keep this one weather related.
What was up with the 90+ mph winds in Western PA and all of the wind related power outages? ? Did that come out of the blue?
148. conchygirl

Agreed Conchy. We are a neat little community in here with a shared interest and focusing on divisive, off-topic subjects works counter to our common purpose.
Absolutely Conchy!
Cowboy has a great blog for these discussions.
Lots of great information and usually there's a spirited conversation running...LOL!

Y'all should visit and post your stimulus gripes over there.
What was up with the 90+ mph winds in Western PA and all of the wind related power outages? ? Did that come out of the blue?


Not out of the blue.
Those straight line winds occurred as the squall line was passing through.
Happy 200th Birthday Charles Darwin

Here is a weather related Darwin Award:
Hurricane Blumpkin
2003 Darwin Award Nominee
Confirmed True by Darwin
(19 September 2003, Virginia) Another day, another rugby player...


Hurricane Isabel whipped shallow creeks into raging rivers, before she calmed down to a violent tropical storm. What better time for a canoe trip? Especially at 2:30 in the morning, on a moonless night? Enter "Blumpkin" 21, captain of the University rugby team, described as "insane, just indestructible."

He left his own party with friends who "thought it would be all ha, ha and funny" to take the canoe straight down Blacks Run Stream, to Blumpkin's old house.

Winds were gusting to 50 mph, as nearly a foot of rain fell on the Shenandoah Valley. The Boy Scout canoe merit badge says, "If in doubt... survey the water from shore. Do not run any but the mildest rapids unless you have a guide who knows the river. Wear life jackets in all rough water." Surely Blumpkin noticed that the knee-deep water of Blacks Run was now a flood churning higher than his head. Nevertheless he launched, and just as quickly capsized, the boat occpuants tossed into the swift storm-fed stream.

Our "indestructible" friend Blumpkin was sucked underwater twice, to resurface at dawn, 100 yards downstream with a Darwin Award clutched in his fist. His female companion managed to reach shore, as did his male companion, who knew it "wasn't a good idea from the start."

Whether alcohol or drugs were involved, Chief Peavy was not allowed to comment.


sorry to bring up such political issues, but I just could not bear the thought of our electorite
getting away with pet projects while 53% of americans think, this should be a stimulis bill, not a home pet project bill.
I won't comment anymore on the issue.
Now lets get on with the weather!
Quoting conchygirl:
MLC has a good political blog. Well many of us like it. But there are political blogs out there to keep it off here and attempt to keep this one weather related.


MLC's a dude. He has my stamp of approval. (If that counts for anything.)

From my experience, even if he has his set of opinions, he'll respect yours even if they differ.

People here still under heavy snow warnings... I haven't seen snow for a little while though. And *finally* the ice is beginning to melt.
Quoting vortfix:
Absolutely Conchy!
Cowboy has a great blog for these discussions.
Lots of great information and usually there's a spirited conversation running...LOL!

Y'all should visit and post your stimulus gripes over there.
and please be civil to each other when you do...thanks.
Philippines Atmospherical Geophysical Astronmonical Services and Administration

Tropical Depression "BISING" continues to move west towards the southern coast of Southern Leyte.

Tropical Cyclone Bulletin #2 (1500z 12FEB)
============================================
At 11:00 p.m. PhST, Tropical Depression Bising located at 9.9°N 126.0°E or 50 kms east of Surigao City has 10 minute sustained winds of 25 knots.

Warning Signals

Warning Signals #1 (30-60 km/h)
---------------------

Visayas Region
1.Eastern Samar
2.Western Samar
3.Biliran
4.Leyte Provinces
5.Cebu
6.Bohol
7.Negros Oriental
8.Siquijor Island

Mindanao Region
1.Dinagat Province
2.Siargao Island
3.Surigao del Norte
4.Surigao del Sur
5.Agusan del Norte
6.Camiguin
7.Misamis Oriental

Additional Information
-------------------
Residents living in low lying and mountainous areas under signal #1 are alerted against possible flashfloods and landslides.

The public and the disaster coordinating councils concerned are advised to take appropriate actions and watch for the next bulletin to be issued at 5 AM tomorrow.
Quoting Patrap:
Neil Young confirmed for Jazz Fest as Aretha Franklin drops out Link


"...a Southern man don't need him around, anyhow..."
Quoting presslord:


"...a Southern man don't need him around, anyhow..."
I would rather have Ronnie Van Zandt...But I'll take Neil this year press...lol.
Quoting AtsaFunnyToo:


Yeah, liberal judges like William Rehnquist and Clarence Thomas. Maybe you should buy a clue before you type, TS. BTW - do you even know what an earmark is?


First, you are correct on the line item veto. It was split. Rhenquist, O'Conner and Breyer dissenting... which leaves one to believe it was an apolitical decision.

Seems clear who doesn't have a clue as far as earmarks and pork. Just using your language. ;)

"Earmark" is a misleading term. Earmarks are pork, yes. And so is other spending that is not considered an "earmark." It's purely symantics.

Only difference? Slated for a specific project.

As examples:

Pork that is an earmark is "Here's $X to be used specifically to build this bridge."

Pork that is not an earmark is "Here's $X to be spent on infrastructure."

No difference. Only difference is who decides on the project the $$$ is used for.

Pork is pork no matter what you call it.
Here are the results from the POLL....

151. vortfix

Just saw that. Will move it over there as it should be.
Any updates on the quakes yesterday?
USGS: Your source for science you can use

Earthquake Hazards Program Link

Atom Feed:USGS M2.5 Earthquakes Link


Quoting Ossqss:
Any updates on the quakes yesterday?


No news is generally good news and I haven't seen anything.
Spring is coming!
Thanks

Fun site if you all get bored.

http://www.osei.noaa.gov/

Quoting TampaSpin:
Spring is coming!
Darn, winter is my favorite season! :)
Quoting TampaSpin:
Spring is coming!


not for us up here anytime soon!
was it raelly foggy this morning up there too tampa????..and about spring,I do believe fishing should start to pick up a bit by the middle to end of next month and I can't wait!!!!
170. stillwaiting 12:50 PM EST on February 12, 2009
was it raelly foggy this morning up there too tampa????..and about spring,I do believe fishing should start to pick up a bit by the middle to end of next month and I can't wait!!!!


Guess its ok to do Fish Talk....but, if you ever make it up to Ocala to the Power Plant....where warm water is released in the GOM.....WOW....the fishing is unreal. My Brother lives there and this time of year is crazy in that area...

Redoudt has become very active.....just to let everyone know....looks like the webcams will show a good pic today..i bet its steaming very well...
No red tide issues for some time in SW Florida, I wonder why?
Quoting TampaSpin:
Spring is coming!
first full day of spring in 37 days

that means we got 37 days of winter left
Quoting Ossqss:
No red tide issues for some time in SW Florida, I wonder why?


The last Red Tide was believed caused by an overflow of Phosphate from a mine that leaked into the GOM.....and the added Phosphate caused the Bloom that was so bad i believe 3 years ago......
Quoting TampaSpin:


The last Red Tide was believed caused by an overflow of Phosphate from a mine that leaked into the GOM.....and the added Phosphate caused the Bloom that was so bad i believe 3 years ago......


How could that be, the mine is 20-30 miles inland with no direct connection to the gulf?
Quoting Ossqss:


How could that be, the mine is 20-30 miles inland with no direct connection to the gulf?



Happened during Hurricane Season of 2004 i believe and it did leak somehow into the GOM..
NOAA Implements Harmful Algal Bloom Forecast System for Texas Gulf Coast Link

A new harmful algal bloom forecast system is now in place along the Gulf coast of Texas. The announcement of the ecological forecast program was made at today’s meeting of the Gulf of Mexico Alliance, a federal-state partnership to address critical coastal issues facing the Gulf states. The system will generate forecasts weekly to determine the current and future location and intensity of blooms, and the likely impacts to the environment.
House approves nearly $9 million for red tide research

Daily News staff

Thursday, July 26, 2007 Link

In the Gulf of Mexico, harmful algal blooms (HABs) can cause massive fish kills, animal mortality, and neurotoxic shellfish poisoning and respiratory irritation in humans. At least 40 species of toxic, or potentially toxic, marine microalgae have been identified in Gulf of Mexico waters. Because HAB events appear to be increasing in number, extent, and severity, the need to understand their causes and to predict their occurrence is growing more urgent (see National Assessment of Harmful Algal Blooms in US Waters, 2000). The most common algae blooms in Gulf of Mexico's coastal regions are caused by the microalgae Karenia brevis and are known as red tides (a consequence of the color imparted by the algae which observers can see floating towards the coast during high tides).
Quoting TampaSpin:



Happened during Hurricane Season of 2004 i believe and it did leak somehow into the GOM..


Your kinda on target.. See this link -- No leak, nitrogen runoff referenced as culprit from 4 hurricanes. Link
Here's an interesting read on the tides, including another theory:

Heil said there is compelling evidence of blooms that originate out at sea, far from coastal concentrations of man-made pollutants.

She and a team of university scientists in Florida have published a study theorizing that iron-rich dust from Africa's Sahara Desert drifts across the Atlantic and triggers a natural process that stimulates harmful algae blooms off Florida's Gulf Coast.

"The timing sure matches up with blooms," Heil said. "We know it has to contribute to enriching seawater with iron and nitrogen."

Link

Quoting Seastep:
Here's an interesting read on the tides, including another theory:

Heil said there is compelling evidence of blooms that originate out at sea, far from coastal concentrations of man-made pollutants.

She and a team of university scientists in Florida have published a study theorizing that iron-rich dust from Africa's Sahara Desert drifts across the Atlantic and triggers a natural process that stimulates harmful algae blooms off Florida's Gulf Coast.

"The timing sure matches up with blooms," Heil said. "We know it has to contribute to enriching seawater with iron and nitrogen."

Link



Would not be a surprise to me. You can actually see the dust sometimes here in the atmosphere. It typically has a negative affect on hurrican intesification I believe.
Sorry to everyone visiting my Blog today.....i am currently restrucruting the look for an easier flow.......sorry for the inconvenience and confussion.....Thanks.
Happy Birthday Charles Darwin and Abraham Lincoln!
Quoting StSimonsIslandGAGuy:
Happy Birthday Charles Darwin and Abraham Lincoln!


Up in heaven playing a rousing game of croquet and eating something exotic. (I dunno if Lincoln ever did; but Darwin had a penchant for 'exotic' foods... yes discover them, theorise them... and then eat them.)
This is NOT A POLITCAL POST as some would like to make it but, this is very serious.....Its affecting my Loved ones......and YOURS!

A serious SELL OFF appears to be occuring...

Australia to officially mourn fire victims

With the death toll expected to rise and the prime minister saying it's "important, very important that the nation grieves," Australia prepared to observe an official day of mourning for the scores of people killed by wildfires last weekend.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd also ordered that military bases be opened to house some of the more than 5,000 people who lost their homes in Saturday's blazes.

At least 181 people have been killed, but officials say the death toll could exceed 200.

"In recognition of the terrible events of the past few days, I announce to the House that today the Victorian premier and I have agreed that there will be a national day of mourning and a national service of mourning for the victims of the Victorian bush fires," Rudd told Parliament.

The date has not yet been chosen.

"It is important, it is very important that the nation grieves," Rudd said.

Compounding the sorrow for some families is that the coroner's office for the state of Victoria has not released the bodies of their loved ones for funerals, and an official said the wait could take up to two weeks.

Victoria Police Chief Christine Nixon told the Australian Broadcasting Corp. that the coroner's office was just starting to collect information, including forensic samples, from families to identify the bodies. Officials have said some victims were burned beyond recognition.

State coroner Jennifer Coate has said the work could still take a week or two, Nixon told ABC, adding, "It's a long and slow process as we work our way through the so many people who have died."

The Victoria government said next-of-kin of anyone killed in the fire would receive a compassion and bereavement payment of about $6,500 toward funeral expenses.

Residents have been allowed back into some towns but others are still sealed off for the grim task of collecting bodies from collapsed buildings and to prevent residents from disturbing potential crime scenes if arson was suspected.

Teams are still searching Marysville, where authorities said there could be 50 to 100 deaths in the town that once had a population of about 550.

The Australian Defence Force bases that have been opened can accommodate up to 2,000 people, including meals, Rudd said.....


Link
First real heat in Florida of 09.
For me its on the upper end of comfortable. Pool's warming up now at 70 Degrees. Was 60 yesterday.
Quoting TampaSpin:
This is NOT A POLITCAL POST as some would like to make it but, this is very serious.....Its affecting my Loved ones......and YOURS!

A serious SELL OFF appears to be occuring...



Looks like the markets are making a comeback.. DOW only down 39 points now.
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
first full day of spring in 37 days

that means we got 37 days of winter left


Today is the halfway point between the winter solstice and spring equinox on the analema.
190. natrwalkn

If this is the "heart" of Winter I'll take it! 70s and beautiful here in PCB today.

I envy your pool temps CyberTeddy. Mine is finally above 60 at least.
4:03pm ET: 7,932.76 -6.77 (0.09%)

Quoting captainhunter:
190. natrwalkn

If this is the "heart" of Winter I'll take it! 70s and beautiful here in PCB today.

I envy your pool temps CyberTeddy. Mine is finally above 60 at least.


Agreed!! We're in the 70's up here in North Carolina too!! Actually, the pagans considered this to now be the "solar spring". Solar winter is from Halloween to Imbolc or what we now celebrate as groundhog day.
Complete Blog Refresh
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I am now using Google Earth Version 5 (Thank you SF)

Philippines Atmospherical Geophysical Astronmonical Services and Administration

Tropical Depression "BISING " has slowed down as it moves closer to the eastern coast of Surigao Del Norte

Tropical Cyclone Bulletin #3 (2100z 12FEB)
============================================
At 5:00 a.m. PhST, Tropical Depression Bising located at 9.6°N 126.0°E or 45 kms east-southeast of Surigao City has 10 minute sustained winds of 25 knots.

Warning Signals

Warning Signals #1 (30-60 km/h)
---------------------

Visayas Region
1.Eastern Samar
2.Western Samar
3.Biliran Island
4.Leyte Provinces
5.Cebu
6.Bohol
7.Negros Oriental
8.Siquijor Island

Mindanao Region
1.Dinagat Province
2.Siargao Island
3.Surigao del Norte
4.Surigao del Sur
5.Agusan del Norte
6.Camiguin
7.Misamis Oriental

Additional Information
-------------------
Residents living in low lying and mountainous areas under signal #1 are alerted against possible flashfloods and landslides.

The public and the disaster coordinating councils concerned are advised to take appropriate actions and watch for the next bulletin to be issued at 11 AM today.
Have any of you knowledgable folks had any issues with Ethanol in your gas?
Your right about the dust 182it was the main reason 2006 was so inactive
Quoting all4hurricanes:
Your right about the dust 182it was the main reason 2006 was so inactive


I will take a bit of red tide over hurricane hit any day of the week. come on dust!
Quoting Ossqss:
Have any of you knowledgable folks had any issues with Ethanol in your gas?

Yes. It raises the price of corn.
Quoting theshepherd:

Yes. It raises the price of corn.


I was a backer until I had to start fixing everything that I put the stuff in because of water or destroyed lines. Then I did a bit of research and was astounded by what I found. The Paul Harvey rest of the story if you will. I just ran across this little ditty a few minutes ago. Frankly, I feel used by the propaganda. Consider it informational and not political.

Yeah it's a bit warm here for me today, I hate when it's in the 80s in the winter.
2008 had near record lows of Dust.
2005 had extremely high dust.
2009 promises to be a La Nina year, so I expect Dust levels similar to 2008 or 2007.
Not making any serious predictions here, but I think 2009 might be very similar to 2007, with more of a threat to the USA.
200. Ossqss 5:42 PM EST on February 12, 2009
Quoting theshepherd:

Yes. It raises the price of corn.


I was a backer until I had to start fixing everything that I put the stuff in because of water or destroyed lines. Then I did a bit of research and was astounded by what I found. The Paul Harvey rest of the story if you will. I just ran across this little ditty a few minutes ago. Frankly, I feel used by the propaganda. Consider it informational and not political.


That guy was ignorant. For him to think that farmers are getting rich off of corn is about the most stupid thing i have heard. Coming from farm country he is clueless! Even if we break even in cost compared to importing oil is better to keep the economic impact at home than aboard. WOW!
Quoting TampaSpin:
200. Ossqss 5:42 PM EST on February 12, 2009
Quoting theshepherd:

Yes. It raises the price of corn.


I was a backer until I had to start fixing everything that I put the stuff in because of water or destroyed lines. Then I did a bit of research and was astounded by what I found. The Paul Harvey rest of the story if you will. I just ran across this little ditty a few minutes ago. Frankly, I feel used by the propaganda. Consider it informational and not political.


That guy was ignorant. For him to think that farmers are getting rich off of corn is about the most stupid thing i have heard. Coming from farm country he is clueless! Even if we break even in cost compared to importing oil is better to keep the economic impact at home than aboard. WOW!



Umm Tim.. they are.
Thats why the price of corn products have gone up... the farmers make far more money selling to make ethanol then flour. Especially with some states and governments mandating certain percentages of Gasoline be ethanol.

To say any different is just the ignorance of not leaving your own backyard.

TheShep is right..as per normal.


Wow, the weather in S. Ontario has been crazy due to that same system that brought thunderstorms and tornadoes to the US. Yesterday, we had warm weather and broke a daily rainfall record and recieved a month's worth of rain in one day. Last night, the pressure fell to 983 hPa. This morning, we had very strong wind gusts (near 70 km/h), and a mixture of rain, wet snow, and ice pellets. People had put out their garbage and recycling, and some of it was blowing around, and I had to bike a mile through this mess! Everything is expected to freeze over tonight.
Quoting AstroHurricane001:
Wow, the weather in S. Ontario has been crazy. Yesterday, we had warm weather and broke a daily rainfall record and recieved a month's worth of rain in one day. Last night, the pressure fell to 983 hPa. This morning, we had very strong wind gusts, and a mixture of rain, wet snow, and ice pellets. I had to bike a mile through this mess! Everything is expected to freeze over tonight.


Are you close to the Centre of the Universe?
Love to hear KOG is getting snow :)
207. HTV
Quoting Ossqss:
Have any of you knowledgable folks had any issues with Ethanol in your gas?

We've seen more problems with 2 stroke applications like chainsaws, weedeaters and such.
If you use standard 2 stroke oil for the mixture you can get what refer to as the clabbers. Using a synthetic like Enviro Opti 2 seems to help. Also moisture is a problem.
Quoting Orcasystems:


Are you close to the Centre of the Universe?
Love to hear KOG is getting snow :)

LOL, well I live near Toronto, but not actually in the city itself. The snow just started accumalating at my location. Watch for Comet Lulin over the next few weeks!! Link
Quoting AstroHurricane001:

LOL, well I live near Toronto, but not actually in the city itself. The snow just started accumalating at my location. Whatch for Comet Lulin over the next few weeks!! Link

I will do that :)
Umm so KOG is getting snow :) Happy Dance Happy Dance....
Quoting TampaSpin:
200. Ossqss 5:42 PM EST on February 12, 2009
Quoting theshepherd:

Yes. It raises the price of corn.


I was a backer until I had to start fixing everything that I put the stuff in because of water or destroyed lines. Then I did a bit of research and was astounded by what I found. The Paul Harvey rest of the story if you will. I just ran across this little ditty a few minutes ago. Frankly, I feel used by the propaganda. Consider it informational and not political.


That guy was ignorant. For him to think that farmers are getting rich off of corn is about the most stupid thing i have heard. Coming from farm country he is clueless! Even if we break even in cost compared to importing oil is better to keep the economic impact at home than aboard. WOW!
After doing my homework, the clip is on target. I wish it were not true, but the facts are in and this item is not what it was touted to be. Not even close. More if you like to see it in video form below. My first hand experienc is what lead me to question this stuff to begin with. If you have it in your generator, you better get it out or use it up. StaBil does not work effectively with it either. I would rather drill than push food costs up and in fact starve those who used to get our corn that now becomes gas. It is a crappy senario that we have essentially been lied to.




Link

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Quoting Orcasystems:

I will do that :)
Umm so KOG is getting snow :) Happy Dance Happy Dance....


Winter's not over yet, you know :-) . However, it's been so warm the past couple of days, even 10 cm in one day would sound like a lot.

PS. Why does everyone (non-GTA residents in Canada) hate Toronto so much???
Quoting AstroHurricane001:


Winter's not over yet, you know :-) . However, it's been so warm the past couple of days, even 10 cm in one day would sound like a lot.

PS. Why does everyone (non-GTA residents in Canada) hate Toronto so much???


You can't honestly be asking that question?
Umm BC here.. we get nada.. TO gets everything... simple as that :)

Quoting Orcasystems:


You can't honestly be asking that question?
Umm BC here.. we get nada.. TO gets everything... simple as that :)



B.C. gets earthquakes, tsunamis, Pineapple express, avalanches, arctic outflow, sea level rise, landslides, and in the case of Victoria, 60 cm of snow in one day. TO gets nada of that. :P
214. HTV
210. Ossgss
For ethanol you can use StarTron, Sea Foam and Stabil has a Stabil for ethanol.
Quoting HTV:
210. Ossgss
For ethanol you can use StarTron, Sea Foam and Stabil has a Stabil for ethanol.


Thanks, unfortunately, all of my lawn equipment, generator, boat have already been injured by this stuff. Florida mandates the use of it to a 10% level and I am hopeful they figure out the problem soon. I would hate to guess how many folks have it in their generators and are going to find them dead when they really need them this year. I have only found a few locations that dont have it anylonger. They will soon be gone unless they change the law. Even with stabil, some internal parts get destoyed by the alcohol, let alone the water it attracts.
Quoting Ossqss:
After doing my homework, the clip is on target. I wish it were not true, but the facts are in and this item is not what it was touted to be. Not even close. More if you like to see it in video form below. My first hand experienc is what lead me to question this stuff to begin with. If you have it in your generator, you better get it out or use it up. StaBil does not work effectively with it either. I would rather drill than push food costs up and in fact starve those who used to get our corn that now becomes gas. It is a crappy senario that we have essentially been lied to.




Link

Link


I was not suggesting it does not raise the price of Corn..I was merely suggesting that the Farmers ARE NOT MAKING A FORTUNE as he was suggesting...THAT IS JUST NOT THE CASE. Also was not saying anything about the quality of the product, but merely pointed out that it would be better to employee US people than others from OPEC!...Attack, Attack is that all some know to do.....i was not attacking anyone but, saying the reporter was wrong. I don't see alot of Farmers flying lear jets.
I just updated my Weather Blog for those of interest.......Thanks! I'M OUT!!!

TampaSpins Weather Blog Link
218. HTV
Quoting Ossqss:


Thanks, unfortunately, all of my lawn equipment, generator, boat have already been injured by this stuff. Florida mandates the use of it to a 10% level and I am hopeful they figure out the problem soon. I would hate to guess how many folks have it in their generators and are going to find them dead when they really need them this year. I have only found a few locations that dont have it anylonger. They will soon be gone unless they change the law. Even with stabil, some internal parts get destoyed by the alcohol, let alone the water it attracts.

Stabil Marine is the one for ethanal and it addresses the water build up. Don't know about Florida but in the fine State of Texas a lot of marinas sell non-ethanol fuel.
The names for this year make me nervous.
Ana
Bill
Claudette
Danny
Erika
Fred
Grace
Henri
Ida
Joaquin
Kate
Larry
Mindy
Nicholas
Odette
Peter
Rose
Sam
Teresa
Victor
Wanda

The ones I am getting a gut feeling about are
Fred,Grace,Ida,Kate, and Big Larry.




Quoting TampaSpin:


I was not suggesting it does not raise the price of Corn..I was merely suggesting that the Farmers ARE NOT MAKING A FORTUNE as he was suggesting...THAT IS JUST NOT THE CASE. Also was not saying anything about the quality of the product, but merely pointed out that it would be better to employee US people than others from OPEC!...Attack, Attack is that all some know to do.....i was not attacking anyone but, saying the reporter was wrong. I don't see alot of Farmers flying lear jets.


No offense taken or intended. I am simply dissapointed in my finding. Drilling to me is the answer at this point and natural gas. Ethanol just cannot make the cut when the facts come out of the closet even with my tax dollars supporting it like a crutch.
Quoting AstroHurricane001:


B.C. gets earthquakes, tsunamis, Pineapple express, avalanches, arctic outflow, sea level rise, landslides, and in the case of Victoria, 60 cm of snow in one day. TO gets nada of that. :P


Seems like a fair trade to be in BC :)
This forecast was made by skysummit on a different site...
15/8/4

Majors will be Erika, Grace, Henri, and Kate.

Ana will be a weak TS that'll affect the western side of the FL peninsula.

Bill will be one of those strong tropical storms to affect near the MX/TX border.

Claudette will be off the east coast of Florida, but will turn out to sea before making landfall.

Danny will be a threat to LA, but will turn east and hit near Navarre/Destin.

Erika will be the first storm to develop from a C.V. wave and will hit the Yucatan as a Cat 3/4.

Grace will be one that worries us, but will either head towards Florida or towards south Texas as a Cat 3.

HENRI will be the one we have to watch....Cat 4, maybe 5 in the Gulf and will strike between west LA and AL as a Cat 3/4.

Kate will be a Cat 4, but head out to sea.

This one was made by skywarn

preliminary numbers are 14/8/3. I feel that Erika, Ida & Kate will be majors. With one of the 3 (Kate) a Cat 4 or 5. (Cape Verde storm) affecting the East Coast. I also think one of the 3 (Erika)be will be a Gulf Coast strike (MS/AL coast) (Originating in the Caribbean). I feel 2 others may affect the Gulf Coast. Ana as a strong tropical storm (FL panhandle) (Originating in the Gulf) the other Grace a strong Cat1 or weak 2 intensity (LA coast) (Originating in the Caribbean).



Intresting read so I thought I would share.
Quoting SevereHurricane:
The names for this year make me nervous.
Ana
Bill
Claudette
Danny
Erika
Fred
Grace
Henri
Ida
Joaquin
Kate
Larry
Mindy
Nicholas
Odette
Peter
Rose
Sam
Teresa
Victor
Wanda

The ones I am getting a gut feeling about are
Fred,Grace,Ida,Kate, and Big Larry.




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Lets just hope we dont see WANDA
I agree I really dont want to see Wanda.Creeps me out. lol
Quoting Orcasystems:



Umm Tim.. they are.
Thats why the price of corn products have gone up... the farmers make far more money selling to make ethanol then flour. Especially with some states and governments mandating certain percentages of Gasoline be ethanol.

To say any different is just the ignorance of not leaving your own backyard.

TheShep is right..as per normal.




Orca i suggest to take up reading as a subject since you have a hard time understanding between the lines and a point made.
Quoting SevereHurricane:
I agree I really dont want to see Wanda.Creeps me out. lol


In particular that she is at the bottom of the list -- ala ran out of names senario like 05
evening everyone, hope you are well!

Astro, what the heck is a "pineapple express" in BC?
Quoting TampaSpin:


Orca i suggest to take up reading as a subject since you have a hard time understanding between the lines and a point made.


ROFLMAO, yes dear
I would be mean too if I was at the bottom of the list.
I actually don't feel too bad about this year's names. I think Erika and/or Grace will be a nuisance.

The year I see upcoming which leaves an unease in my waters is 2012... got a baaaaad feeling about that one.
222 that is interesting, and how percice they are with there forecast. it will be something to see this play out.
Quoting TampaSpin:


Orca i suggest to take up reading as a subject since you have a hard time understanding between the lines and a point made.


It is really not about the price of corn at all. It is about the fact that the farmers are gowing corn for fuel instead of food. Its about the fact that it takes as much energy to make the stuff as it provides. Its about the pollution created in the creation process that exceeds what we currently have with regular gas burning in cars. Yes, the fact that corn has a higher price, even while being subsidised, corn is removing the other crops from the picture and pushing prices of everything from wheat to pigs up all around us. Let alone starving millions who used to get our bread basket left overs. They have lied to us about the entire senario and made it a political mirage.
Quoting indianrivguy:
evening everyone, hope you are well!

Astro, what the heck is a "pineapple express" in BC?


Here is the write up on the Pineapple express.. its no fun, but we get it quite often, compliments of Hawaii

I would tell you about it, but apparently I have a reading between the lines deficiency :)
Quoting indianrivguy:
evening everyone, hope you are well!

Astro, what the heck is a "pineapple express" in BC?


It's a type of low pressure system in autumn and winter that forms near Hawaii, then travels northeast, around the Aleutian low, and into BC. Link
230 I agree with you on the 2012 year. lots of chatter about all the things that may come to play.
233 Orca:
Beat me to it. :-( Yes, Wikipedia is my answer to everything :P .
Um, what the heck is this?? O_O Link
Quoting AstroHurricane001:
233 Orca:
Beat me to it. :-( Yes, Wikipedia is my answer to everything :P .


ROFLMAO, I wasn't even aware it was also the name of a movie in 2008.. the things you learn everyday:)
Quoting severstorm:
230 I agree with you on the 2012 year. lots of chatter about all the things that may come to play.


I dunno if you wanna count London hosting the Olympics and Mayan calendars...

Just that list of names is the only one that hasn't had a huge year yet. That's what would concern me. Every other list has. It's due one.
Anyone see the map of the waters off Peru? Seems pretty warm to me.
2012 is the year that I fear for the world but I perfer to to ignore it and enjoy life while its nice. What worries me is that there is an oort cloud heading strait towards the earth.
I was thinking the same thing my friend.

Although you had LILI and ISADORE in 2002.
Quoting SevereHurricane:
2012 is the year that I fear for the world but I perfer to to ignore it and enjoy life while its nice. What worries me is that there is an oort cloud heading strait towards the earth.


OK, I will bite. What the heck is an oort cloud?
Its a cloud made out of comets.
Joint Typhoon Warning Center

Tropical Disturbance Summary (2330z 12FEB)
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An area of convection (91S) located at 18.7S 42.1E or west of Antanana (Madagascar). Animated infrared satellite imagery shows a weak low level circulation center with fragmented and flaring convection. A 1513z windsat pass shows 15 to 20 knot unflagged winds along the western periphery of a poorly defined, elongated low level circulation center. the center of circulation is in an area of favorable sea surface temperatures and is positioned under the upper level axis, strong southwesterly winds in the region is introducing cool, dry air that is stalling further development.

Maximum sustained winds near the center is 15-20 knots with a minimum sea level pressure of 1007 MB. The potential for the develop of this disturbance into a significant tropical cyclone within the next 24 hours is POOR.
Quoting SevereHurricane:
A cloud made out of comets.


OK, I apprehensively bite again.

How will that affect Hurricanes?
Quoting Ossqss:


It is really not about the price of corn at all. It is about the fact that the farmers are gowing corn for fuel instead of food. Its about the fact that it takes as much energy to make the stuff as it provides. Its about the pollution created in the creation process that exceeds what we currently have with regular gas burning in cars. Yes, the fact that corn has a higher price, even while being subsidised, corn is removing the other crops from the picture and pushing prices of everything from wheat to pigs up all around us. Let alone starving millions who used to get our bread basket left overs. They have lied to us about the entire senario and made it a political mirage.


You are so correct ,Sir.
Ethanol as a fuel instead of a drink is a bucket full of dung beetle toys.(copyright theshepherd 2009)
The math just doesn't work out.
Quoting Ossqss:


OK, I will bite. What the heck is an oort cloud?


The Oort Cloud is an area of comets, rocks and ice left over from planet building.

It defines the edge of our solar system, along with the heliosheath/heliopause.

Don't worry, it can't head for us because it's so huge. And I doubt it's going anywhere.
Quoting Cotillion:


The Oort Cloud is an area of comets, rocks and ice left over from planet building.

It defines the edge of our solar system, along with the heliosheath/heliopause.

Don't worry, it can't head for us because it's so huge. And I doubt it's going anywhere.


I read that Planet X's gravitational pull will cause a bunch of the comets from the oort cloud to follow it as it approaches the center of the Solar System.
Quoting Ossqss:


OK, I apprehensively bite again.

How will that affect Hurricanes?


No effect as far as I know.
Quoting theshepherd:


You are so correct ,Sir.
Ethanol as a fuel instead of a drink is a bucket full of dung beetle toys.(copyright theshepherd 2009)
The math just doesn't work out.


I did leave out the fact that it is 30+ % less efficient and will take 30+% more to do the same job as a oil based fuel. Perhaps we can create methane capturing depends and put them on the cows and go that route? Just joking. However, I have found a brand that can hold a 12 pack. Just kidding, only a 6 pack.
Quoting SevereHurricane:


No effect as far as I know.


OK, I give up with my association with the 2012 item and the oort item. I need another beverage of choice to reconsider the entire celestial item.
Quoting SevereHurricane:


I read that Planet X's gravitational pull will cause a bunch of the comets from the oort cloud to follow it as it approaches the center of the Solar System.


What you read on the Internet isn't always true. The statements on Planet X are unreliable as they rely mostly on ancient prophecies and on almost no solid information, and even those prophecies might have been cherry-picked to find the details they want. I can't say for sure that nothing big will happen in 2012, but then again something big happens somewhere in the world every year, and countless doomsday predictions have failed in the past, although you could perhaps count 2012 as a doomsday because the Kyoto Protocol will expire and then we will find we haven't done enough on global warming, which will cause the REAL end-of-civillization. :P
Quoting Ossqss:


OK, I apprehensively bite again.

How will that affect Hurricanes?


You'll need Carl Sagan back for that one.
He might say: If Planet X pulls enough debris with it, adverse to the flow, increasing the collision possibilities of hundreds of asteroids, then the chances are increased for one or more to come our way.
A direct hit yields a massive explosion burning a good portion of the planet and covering the earth with a dust cloud that could last a hundred years cooling the seas which make hurricanes unlikely. Oh yeah, and life as we know it....
Quoting theshepherd:


You are so correct ,Sir.
Ethanol as a fuel instead of a drink is a bucket full of dung beetle toys.(copyright theshepherd 2009)
The math just doesn't work out.


Exactly! another Boondoggle - a distraction and diversion
Quoting theshepherd:


You'll need Carl Sagan back for that one.
He might say: If Planet X pulls enough debris with it, adverse to the flow, increasing the collision possibilities of hundreds of asteroids, then the chances are increased for one or more to come our way.
A direct hit yields a massive explosion burning a good portion of the planet and covering the earth with a dust cloud that could last a hundred years cooling the seas which make hurricanes unlikely. Oh yeah, and life as we know it....


Name that tune -- Its the end of the earth as we know it, but I feel fine.

The senario " aside from Sagan " is similar to how the Gulf was formed, less the Dinosapians

Global warming will not cause the REAL end of civilization.
2012??? There's no such thing as the Boogey Man.
Quoting theshepherd:
Global warming will not cause the REAL end of civilization.
2012??? There's no such thing as the Boogey Man.


Please sir, the current appropriate term is Climate Change. Which has actually happened for about 5 billion years to date.
Quoting Ossqss:


Please sir, the current appropriate term is Climate Change. Which has actually happened for about 5 billion years to date.

Considering the earth is 5 billion years old, you are correct. I should have said AGW. My bad.
Quoting Ossqss:


Name that tune -- Its the end of the earth as we know it, but I feel fine.

The senario " aside from Sagan " is similar to how the Gulf was formed, less the Dinosapians



Dear lord, please forgive me for this post.

Quoting AstroHurricane001:


What you read on the Internet isn't always true. The statements on Planet X are unreliable as they rely mostly on ancient prophecies and on almost no solid information, and even those prophecies might have been cherry-picked to find the details they want. I can't say for sure that nothing big will happen in 2012, but then again something big happens somewhere in the world every year, and countless doomsday predictions have failed in the past, although you could perhaps count 2012 as a doomsday because the Kyoto Protocol will expire and then we will find we haven't done enough on global warming, which will cause the REAL end-of-civillization. :P


Are you sure everything on the Internet is not true....Guess i got to rethink some things!
Quoting Cotillion:
I actually don't feel too bad about this year's names. I think Erika and/or Grace will be a nuisance.

The year I see upcoming which leaves an unease in my waters is 2012... got a baaaaad feeling about that one.

You would think that if the Mayans were so good at predicting the future..that they would be alive today...eh?
Quoting TampaSpin:


Are you sure everything on the Internet is not true....Guess i got to rethink some things!


Mr. Spin, you are on to something that could be interesting and rewarding. Perhaps you could post a poll as to this subject -- How do people verify information on the internet is legitimate?

IE. Snopes, Noaa, etc. You are about to close the last, so please consider this opportunity.

And thanks for the last, it was interesting also.
Quoting Stlouiskid:

You would think that if the Mayans were so good at predicting the future..that they would be alive today...eh?


The Mayans didnt predict there future,
they were obsessed with telling time and astronomy, and they knew what would happen next becuase alot of things happen in cycles, and just like the other 99% of the other things that lived before them they were wiped out too.
Quoting SevereHurricane:


The Mayans didnt predict there future,
they were obsessed with telling time and astronomy, and they knew what would happen next becuase alot of things happen in cycles, and just like the other 99% of the other things that lived before them they were wiped out too.


I believe we all wish to stay in the 1th percentile. It is kinda a requirement.
All kidding aside, what are we interpreting with the water temp models in the Pacific moving around? El, La --Na -- gut feeling?
Quoting Stlouiskid:
You would think that if the Mayans were so good at predicting the future..that they would be alive today...eh?
Quoting SevereHurricane:
The Mayans didnt predict there future,
they were obsessed with telling time and astronomy, and they knew what would happen next becuase alot of things happen in cycles, and just like the other 99% of the other things that lived before them they were wiped out too.

Wasn't it problems with corn production that did in the Mayans?
Link

Interactive map Link
Philippines Atmospherical Geophysical Astronmonical Services and Administration

Tropical Depression "BISING " has slowed down as it moves closer to the eastern coast of Surigao Del Norte

Tropical Cyclone Bulletin #4 (0300z 13FEB)
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At 11:00 a.m. PhST, Tropical Depression Bising located at 9.9°N 125.7°E or 30 kms northeast of Surigao City has 10 minute sustained winds of 25 knots.

Warning Signals

Warning Signals #1 (30-60 km/h)
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Visayas Region
1.Eastern Samar
2.Western Samar
3.Biliran Island
4.Leyte Provinces
5.Northern Cebu
6.Bohol

Mindanao Region
1.Dinagat Province
2.Siargao Island
3.Surigao del Norte
4.Surigao del Sur
5.Agusan del Norte

Additional Information
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Public Storm Signal #1 elsewhere is now lowered.

Residents living in low lying and near mountainous slopes in areas under signal #1 are alerted against possible flashfloods and landslides.

The public and the disaster coordinating councils concerned are advised to take appropriate actions and watch for the next bulletin to be issued at 5 PM today
Victorian Bushfires Update:
2:30pm Friday 13 February
Deaths: 181
Homes Destroyed: 1800
People left homeless:7000
Tropical Cyclone Warning Center Perth
Tropical Cyclone Outlook
Forecast for area south of 10S between 110E-125E
10:00 AM WDT February 13 2009
=========================================

A weak tropical low now lies well off the west Kimberley coast near 14.5S 116.5E at 9am WDT. It is likely to move in a generally west southwest direction in the next 24 to 48 hours and is not likely to affect the coast. It is unlikely to reach tropical cyclone intensity during Saturday but has some potential to develop into a tropical cyclone on Sunday or Monday.

There are no other significant lows expected to develop during the outlook period.

Tropical Cyclone Formation Potential
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Saturday: Low
Sunday: Moderate
Monday: Moderate
Many thanks to Dr. Masters for doing a blog on the Victorian Bushfire Tragedy. And a big thanks to all that contributed to the blog also and a mega thanks to everyone for your thoughts and prayers.
Cheers AussieStorm
Quoting AussieStorm:
Victorian Bushfires Update:
2:30pm Friday 13 February
Deaths: 181
Homes Destroyed: 1800
People left homeless:7000
AussieStorm
AP said over 200 deaths. Is 181 actual, or part of the fires left out?
Jesse
Quoting TampaSpin:


Are you sure everything on the Internet is not true....Guess i got to rethink some things!


Hmm read the lines.. not between... he said "What you read on the Internet isn't always true", thats actually a statement of fact :)
Quoting TheoJesse:
AussieStorm
AP said over 200 deaths. Is 181 actual, or part of the fires left out?
Jesse


I believe there are still a fair amount of people officially listed as missing. The 181 is confirmed deaths.
Our Thoughts and Prayers go out to you and Your Countrymen AussieStorm.

And thanks for bringing the story to us so well.




Thanks Orca
Too much crap on the media.
Jesse

15 fires still burning in Victoria
Article from: AAP

February 13, 2009 02:43pm

GOOD weather will give firefighters little respite this weekend as 15 fires continue to burn across Victoria.
Country Fire Authority (CFA) deputy chief John Haynes said the main focus for 3000 firefighters on the job was to consolidate containment lines at all fire sites.

The blaze of most concern today was in the township Chum Creek, north-west of Healesville, Mr Haynes said.

"That will put up quite a lot of smoke today, it was active overnight, there was backburning to consolidate the control lines and that will now be burning out," he said.

He warned there would be smoke and ash moving over Melbourne's central business district and the outskirts of eastern suburbs brought on by easterly winds for the rest of today and into tomorrow.

"Although we've had some really good weather over the last couple of days with lower winds, (and) we've done a lot of good work in stitching up a lot of the fire edges, there is still a threat across Victoria," he said.

"There is a threat for weeks to come."

He called on Melbourne residents to avoid dialling triple-zero if they saw smoke or ash. However people should alert authorities if they saw flames.

CFA and Department of Sustainability and Environment crews and bulldozers would be on site controlling the blaze at Chum Creek, Mr Haynes said.

An uncontained edge of a fire burning around the Maroondah Reservoir was also of concern, he said.

"It's very difficult country - steep, dippy, rocky and then high mountain forest - so it will take time," he said.

A fire at O'Shannassy Reservoir also continues to burn but the blaze at Upper Yarra Dam is largely contained. The other concern is the Rubicon area on the northeast corner of the Murrindindi complex east of Alexandra.

"It flared overnight, it will flare again today although again the easterly (wind) will push it back on itself. It's good in some ways but we're expecting quite a deal of fire activity there," Mr Haynes said.

The Bunyip fire should not pose any threat for the rest of today, despite activity in the northeast and northwest corners. Rain had helped settle activity in east Gippsland near Dargo but with low rainfall, firefighters at Wilson's Promontory are expecting flare-ups in coming days.

"We're monitoring that and that poses no threats to assets," Mr Haynes said
Hey 263 email the fox network they know everything. They can tell you then you decide.
Quoting KEHCharleston:

Wasn't it problems with corn production that did in the Mayans?

Not hardly.
Try murder, disease and dispersion.
Quoting theshepherd:

Not hardly.
Try murder, disease and dispersion.


Don't forget the Spanish
Quoting Orcasystems:


Hmm read the lines.. not between... he said "What you read on the Internet isn't always true", thats actually a statement of fact :)


Again you can't read between the lines...OMG!!! WOW!
A Commerical Air Craft just crashed within the Buffalo NY area....
Quoting Orcasystems:


Don't forget the Spanish
That was the murder and disease thingy.
Quoting theshepherd:

Not hardly.
Try murder, disease and dispersion.

I agree with the horror that the peoples of the Americas faced with the influx of the conquistadors. However, as I understood it, at its height, the Mayan Empire was a very sophistocated pre-Columbian Civilization. So I did a quick 'google' to see if my memory served me correctly or not.

From Authentic Maya:
The Mayan Culture developed between 3000 and 2000 BC. Pollen samples has shown the establishments of agriculture in Guatemala by 4000 BC, and around 2500 BC initiated the building of small cities with some permanent architecture all over the country (Pre-Classic). According to Houston the Cho'lan language, the precursor to the Maya, originated in the Guatemalan Highlands, ca 3000 BC. In the tropical lowlands of El Mirador Basin, in the Peten Lowlands, Northern Guatemala, that lead to huge cities like Mirador, Nakbe, San Bartolo, Tintal and others, although there were some early cities in the Guatemala Highlands (Naranjo, Kaminal Juyu, Nebaj, Guaytan, El Porton), and in the Pacific Low Lands (Tak'alik Abaj, Chocola), that does not reach the size of those in Peten where they build at least 27 big cities and countless smaller ones at its peak around 250 BC, then, suffered a first collapse around 150 AD, and resurging on 250 AD (Early Classic) with large cities such as Tikal, Naranjo, Yaxha, Cancuen, Machaquila, Ceibal, Piedras Negras, Quirigua, Uaxactun, and many more until their final collapse around 900 A.D. (Terminal-Classic).

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Though the Spanish were not responsible for the fall of the Mayan Empire, they certainly were responsible for the loss of so much information. (The Mayans kept written records).

My original remark "Wasn't it problems with corn production that did in the Mayans?" was meant as sort of tongue-in-cheek response to those post regarding corn/ethanol and 2012/Mayan Calendar.

I truly thought that I remembered a problem with the maize, however. Here though my memory did not serve me well at all.
Decline and eventual "Collapse" of the Mayan civilization has been attributed to inveracities wars, famine, natural calamity, disruption of trade routes, popular unrests and more, but the Figurines from Aguatecareal reason is still a mystery. Surely it was a mix of all those theories, but the constant need for cal (stucco) to cover the big Temples, most certainly produced a complete deforestation in a land not suited for agricultural use, but for Forestry, due to its very little humus contain. To cover just one Temple with stucco, The Mayas had to cut 400 Ha. of forest, because only green wood reaches enough temperature to form it, and there were hundreds of big structures in their cities.
What??? Where did you see that?
Quoting TampaSpin:
A Commerical Air Craft just crashed within the Buffalo NY aree....
Oh Dang! Not good news. found it... Thanks Tampa.
Oh Geez - Continental.
They have an excellent record. Only 7 or 8 crashes in their history.
Quoting Beachfoxx:
What??? Where did you see that?
Yes a plane has crashed
Plane crashes in U.S. New York State, 48 on board
NEW YORK, Feb. 13 (Xinhua) -- An airliner with 48 people on board crashed in the U.S. State of New York on Tuesday evening, local media reported overnight.

The crash occurred at around 10:20 p.m. Thursday in suburban Buffalo in northern New York State, as the 50-seat commuter plane crashed into a home, TV networks including CNN reported.

CNN quoted Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) as saying that the plane had 48 people on board, and their fate remained unknown.

It also remained unclear whether the crash caused any ground casualties.

TV footage showed that massive fire broke out at the scene of crash, while firemen and police rushed to the scene for rescue.
Colgan - commuter flight
Operated by Continental.
Continental has an excellent safety record.
Not good news...
285 KEH
It's all good. It's good that you question the record. Thinking that civilized primatives aren't survivalist by nature and reporting that green wood reaches a higher temperature than cured is a curious idea indeed.
Colgan - commuter flight
Operated by Continental.
Continental has an excellent safety record.
Not good news...
Why does Orca want to argue with tampa spin! MAN I ONLY POST SO LITTLE OUT OF HURRICANE season and i love orcas. but Mr systems you are wrong
Quoting theshepherd:
285 KEH
It's all good. It's good that you question the record. Thinking that civilized primatives aren't survivalist by nature and reporting that green wood reaches a higher temperature than cured is a curious idea indeed.

Surprised me as well. Will have to ponder that a bit.
NEW YORK, Feb. 13 (Xinhua) -- An airliner with 48 people on board crashed in the U.S. State of New York on Tuesday evening, local media reported overnight.

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wait what?!.. then later it states Thursday..
wow large fire :X
Buffalo News

Unconfirmed reports from a source at Buffalo Niagara International Airport said that the dead included 44 passengers, four crew members and a person on the ground.
Quoting KEHCharleston:

Surprised me as well. Will have to ponder that a bit.
I had Aztec on the brain with the Spaniard thingy.
I'm sure they meant harvested wood as dead wood picked up would certainly not be of sufficient quantity or quality.
"nose-diving" into a house?

how scary
Quoting sarasotaman:
Why does Orca want to argue with tampa spin! MAN I ONLY POST SO LITTLE OUT OF HURRICANE season and i love orcas. but Mr systems you are wrong

Why don't you ask Orca directly instead of all that drama?
Tim is big enough to stand up for Tim.
Quoting Cotillion:
I actually don't feel too bad about this year's names. I think Erika and/or Grace will be a nuisance.

The year I see upcoming which leaves an unease in my waters is 2012... got a baaaaad feeling about that one.


I would agree with your notion that 2012 will be bad if it had any other naming list other than List 4. Save for in 1988, there wasn't anything terribly notable about that list. I'm not expecting it to be different in 2012.
Quoting theshepherd:
I'm sure they meant harvested wood as dead wood picked up would certainly not be of sufficient quantity or quality.
That would fit in with the deforestation, certainly the Mayans would have had the technology for large scale deforestation. Somehow, though I always thought of deforestation as a contemporary problem. Although looking at Haiti, it really does not take a concerted effort or technology to deforest an area.

Interesting world we live in Shep. Lawd knows that I have learned much on these blogs, and my curiosity is constantly being pricked.

Lights out for me. Will check back in the morning.
Philippines Atmospherical Geophysical Astronmonical Services and Administration

Tropical Depression "BISING" has weakened into a Low Pressure Area as it interacted with the land mass of Northern Mindanao and Eastern Visayas.

Tropical Cyclone Bulletin #5 (0900z 13FEB) - FINAL
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At 5:00 p.m. PhST, Tropical Depression Bising located at 10.2°N 125.9°E or 70 kms northeast of Surigao City has weakened below warning criteria.

Additional Information
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All Warning Signal That Was In Effect Are Now Lowered

However, this weather disturbance and the tail-end of a cold front will continue to bring rains over Visayas and Mindanao particularly the Northern and Eastern Visayas as well as Northern and Central Mindanao. Residents along these areas are alerted against possible flashfloods and landslides.

With this development and unless re-intensification occurs, this is the final bulletin on this weather disturbance.
108 Days till Hurricane season.
Waiting on Sunrise - 62 Degrees in SWFL
More like 37 degrees here in SOGANOFLA (South Georgia/North Florida)

Some speculation starting to turn up is that wing icing caused plane crash last night.
Orca.. thanks for the info bro.. I had a nice long post all ready to go and poof.. it was gone.. dangit. Sorry about that reading thing bro. :) ol Timmy has been rude and mean as a snake the last couple weeks I wonder whats up.
What's really weird to me is in 2010 Charley won't be on the list. It's hard to believe we're approaching 5 years since we went through that little monster.
2012 hurricanes might be the least of our worries. no doomdayers blogs? happy weather
Good Morning!

Are we supposed to have thunderstorms in GA tomorrow? We're supposed to be in a sailboat race in the afternoon - I don't mind the rain but won't do the tstorms on a boat...any clues?
Is that... could it be?

A whopping 9 degrees next week!? Wow. We may actually get above freezing for the first time in what seems, weeks...

Spring. <3