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Weather Underground Bought by IBM

By: Jeff Masters 3:45 PM GMT on October 28, 2015

IBM announced today that it has entered into a definitive agreement to acquire The Weather Company’s B2B, mobile and cloud-based web properties, including WSI, weather.com, Weather Underground and The Weather Company brand. The TV segment – The Weather Channel – will not be acquired by IBM, but will license weather forecast data and analytics from IBM under a long-term contract.

There are no changes that have been announced for how Weather Underground will operate, and Bob Henson and I plan to ride the rapids to see where they lead. IBM brings some pretty remarkable technology resources to the table, so I expect that WU's creative development team will be able to take advantage of that and crank out some ground-breaking weather software.

For more information on the acquisition, see the IBM/Weather Company press release. The deal will likely become finalized in January.

Jeff Masters

Wunderground News

The views of the author are his/her own and do not necessarily represent the position of The Weather Company or its parent, IBM.

Reader Comments

WOW.
Coming soon: ECMWF vs. Watson
Could someone explain to me what IBM and Watson are?
Can't wait to see the fruits of this :). Please keep writing Docs. - I really like what you guys do.
Quoting 3. FunnelVortex:

Could someone explain to me what IBM and Watson are?


"Pooowwweeerrrrrrrrr"
Saw this a bit earlier on CNN. Hopefully it will be for the better. But I'm cynical as always.
Re-posting what I just posted on the old blog as you updated:

Hopefully Dr. Masters will mention the IBM thing and whether it will have any impact on TWC/this site. I doubt it but I am still trying to figure out why IBM would purchase a weather interest company..........Probably related to long-term strategic goals, and income flow, and not anything actually related to the weather........................................... .................
Yawns
Thanks Doc..IBM...They have a few bucks layin around...:)
Hmm. Oookay. Well, we'll see how this goes. :)
You must be happy to get away from Comcast.
IBM had to prepare a Prospectus for their investors/shareholders, well in advance of this pending purchase, as to the benefits to the Company value potential by acquiring this weather related "asset"; probably available on-line somewhere on the IBM or Securities Exchange Commission sites.

Yes folks, in a changing climate world, and even though normal Enso cycles, weather information is a valuable "asset" both to governments and multi-national corporate interests from agricultural and commodities concerns to technology companies......................................... ...
Quoting 3. FunnelVortex:

Could someone explain to me what IBM and Watson are?


IBM - large technology company (In the DOW 30). Acronym for "International Business Machines". Trying to change with the times as all large behemoths do, by buying smaller, faster companies. IBM is trying to morph from a hardware producer to a cloud and data services company, and acquiring Weather.com and it's family of products is only one small piece of that puzzle.

Watson, meanwhile, is a supercomputer. Link.
Quoting 3. FunnelVortex:

Could someone explain to me what IBM and Watson are?

Link
Quoting 14. LongIslandBeaches:



IBM - large technology company (In the DOW 30). Acronym for "International Business Machines". Trying to change with the times as all large behemoths do, by buying smaller, faster companies. IBM is trying to morph from a hardware producer to a cloud and data services company, and acquiring Weather.com and it's family of products is only one small piece of that puzzle.

Watson, meanwhile, is a supercomputer. Link.


How is that going to help weather technologies?
What is IBM's stance on climate change? Maybe this will become a weather blog again.
Quoting 17. NativeSun:

What is IBM's stance on climate change? Maybe this will become a weather blog again.


Please don't poke that beehive.
NOAA Stiff-Arms House Science Committee Subpoena Questioning 'Hiatus' Study

Link
Here is the skinny (and nice graphic) from the IBM site: http://www.ibm.com/analytics/us/en/busi ness/weath er-insight.html


The planned acquisition would bring together IBM%u2019s powerful cognitive and analytics platform and The Weather Company%u2019s dynamic cloud data platform, which powers the fourth most-used mobile app daily in the United States and handles 26 billion inquiries to its cloud-based services each day. The deal would extend the reach of IBM%u2019s cloud data services capabilities and expand The Weather Company%u2019s business capabilities and consumer reach on a global scale. The Weather Company%u2019s cloud-based data platform will allow IBM to collect an even larger variety and higher velocity of global data sets, store them, analyze them and in turn distribute them and empower richer and deeper insights across the Watson platform. The planned acquisition will provide:

And from Reuters:


Oct 28 (Reuters) - International Business Machines Corp said on Wednesday it would buy the Weather Company's digital assets to boost its Watson cloud and Internet of Things platforms.

IBM did not disclose the financial terms of the deal, which does not include the Weather Channel.

But the Wall Street Journal reported on Tuesday that the deal would be valued at more than $2 billion.

The Weather Channel will use weather forecast data and analytics from IBM under a long-term contract.

The deal highlights IBM's focus on high-growth areas such as cloud computing and analytics as it dumps low-margin businesses such as cash registers, low-end servers and semiconductors.

The Weather Company, based in Atlanta, is currently owned by private equity firms Blackstone Group LP and Bain Capital and Comcast Corp's NBC Universal, which bought the firm in 2008 for about $3.5 billion. (Reporting by Supantha Mukherjee and Sai Sachin R in Bengaluru; Editing by Maju Samuel and Ted Kerr)

Quoting 16. FunnelVortex:



How is that going to help weather technologies?


Not sure. I'm under the impression that this purchase was more to benefit IBM's long term goals, rather than the other way around.

At the very least, WU and weather.com will have access to resources, both financial and people-based, that they may not have had otherwise. As far as I'm concerned, there are many good and smart people at IBM, and they are a very well run company.

EDIT: See post #20.
Maybe IBM can bring back WU classic.
I can imagine enough reasons for IBM to want to own these assets however it seems dumb on the part of The Weather Company not to sell the whole company. Who thought "Lets sell off the Internet part of the company." was a good idea? The weather channel is having a hard time being relevant in the internet age.
Interesting IBM and defense contractor “Raytheon” are partners that does all the “forecast” modeling for the National Weather Service and NOAA.
Quoting 23. CentralFloridian:

I can imagine enough reasons for IBM to want to own these assets however it seems dumb on the part of The Weather Company not to sell the whole company. Who thought "Lets sell off the Internet part of the company." was a good idea? The weather channel is having a hard time being relevant in the internet age.


Weather Company probably tried to include the channel. I'd bet that IBM wasn't willing to acquire the TV part. The writing is on the wall when it comes to cable services.
Some heavy rains came down in the Tampa Bay area this morning, and as a result, some flash flooding occurred in St. Petersburg. Apparently, one woman thought it would be a good idea to drive her car into a canal that was flooding.

Cloud based weather information is indeed very valuable and can potentially save lives; if you consider people affected by severe weather events around the world on a daily basis and those that often live in remote locations. Many of us have weather apps on our cell phones, in our cars (XM Radio weather apps) and computers; if you consider satellite technology, including GPS functions, that are now available in "handheld" and other mobile apps, you could conceivably be in the middle of "nowhere" some where on Earth (whether by foot, car, plane, boat, train) and still access weather info for your location if you have the right device and an available signal.

Smart move on IBM's part.
Thanks dok!

I think I shall post my WS classification system. It goes from Winter Wonderland to Class 3 Killstorm

Winter Wonderland
Criteria: Special Weather Statement or Winter Weather Advisory with a mention of accumulating
snow of up to 2 inches.
Is storm named? Special Weather Statement: No. Winter Weather Advisory: Yes.

Class 1 Killstorm
Criteria: Winter weather advisory or Freezing rain advisory for 1\10 inch or less of ICE.
Winter weather advisory for 2-­4 inches of snow or Winter Storm Warning for 3­-5 inches of snow.
Winter weather advisory for less than 1⁄2 inch of sleet.
Is storm named? Yes, for all products.

Class 2 Killstorm
Criteria: Winter storm warning or Ice storm warning for up to 1⁄4 inch of ICE
Winter storm warning for 4­-8 inches of snow or Winter storm warning for up to 1⁄2 inch of sleet
Is storm named? Yes, for all products

Class 3 Killstorm
Criteria: Winter storm warning or ice storm warning for more than 1⁄2 inch of ICE
Winter storm warning for 8+ inches of snow.
Winter storm warning for 1⁄2+ inch of sleet.
Is storm named? yes for all products

What you think?
Quoting 25. LongIslandBeaches:



Weather Company probably tried to include the channel. I'd bet that IBM wasn't willing to acquire the TV part. The writing is on the wall when it comes to cable services.


Seems to me they should have then just moved more resources to the internet part of the company and wound down the cable channel part. Maybe no matter what they do the demise of the cable channel will bankrupt the whole company and with this sale they are saving the internet portion of the company from being dragged down by it, and giving the cable channel more operating cash and a little longer future.
Quoting 17. NativeSun:

What is IBM's stance on climate change? Maybe this will become a weather blog again.


From IBM:

IBM recognizes climate change is a serious concern that warrants meaningful action on a global basis to stabilize the atmospheric concentration of greenhouse gases (GHGs).

IBM believes all sectors of society, the economy and governments worldwide must participate in solutions to climate change.

IBM supports joint efforts by the private and public sectors to reduce global GHG emissions.
Quoting 26. tampabaymatt:

Some heavy rains came down in the Tampa Bay area this morning, and as a result, some flash flooding occurred in St. Petersburg. Apparently, one woman thought it would be a good idea to drive her car into a canal that was flooding.





So many people just lack common sense. Amazes me how many people continue to go around barricades that block flooded streets out here.
Quoting 22. tampabaymatt:

Maybe IBM can bring back WU classic.


Yeah. I could really use the "Community status" feature back.
Being owned by a technology company might be better than being owned by private equity and a TV network. IBM has built some fabulous high-volume real-time web sites in the past for financial services and general public use (like all of the scoring for the Olympics and The Masters) but the efforts have been diffuse. So I hope you can hang in there for a bit.
Quoting 22. tampabaymatt:

Maybe IBM can bring back WU classic.


I don't think they are trying to go backwards.
Quoting 31. SouthCentralTx:




So many people just lack common sense. Amazes me how many people continue to go around barricades that block flooded streets out here.


A lot of people sure are going for a Darwin Award, aren't they?
36. RayT
You know what they say.... you cant fix stupid.

Quoting 31. SouthCentralTx:




So many people just lack common sense. Amazes me how many people continue to go around barricades that block flooded streets out here.
Internet-Inter-Space
Bureau of
Meteorology
Ownership may be short lived. From a financial article yesterday...

"When IBM announced earnings last week, it talked about all the great things it was accomplishing to compensate for the fact that revenues had plunged 14% from a year ago to $19.28 billion, and that even “revenues from continuing operations,” after accounting for operations it had shed, dropped 1%. It was the 14th quarterly revenue decline in a row. Three-and-a-half years."

I'm not saying it will happen but you never can tell.
Quoting 38. Milton1025:

Ownership may be short lived. From a financial article yesterday...

"When IBM announced earnings last week, it talked about all the great things it was accomplishing to compensate for the fact that revenues had plunged 14% from a year ago to $19.28 billion, and that even %u201Crevenues from continuing operations,%u201D after accounting for operations it had shed, dropped 1%. It was the 14th quarterly revenue decline in a row. Three-and-a-half years."

I'm not saying it will happen but you never can tell.


Based on my limited knowledge of the company, IBM sold Thinkpad and its related hardware elements to Lenovo over 10 years ago. This was part of the company's plan to shift its identity from computer hardware to business services, contracting, and internet services. This shift was a misstep (clearly, as 14 consecutive declines during a mildly-expanding economy proves).

Seems IBM realized this was a misstep, and is now shifting again, away from business and internet services and towards cloud computing and data services. IBM will not only need to get younger (from a technology and internal infrastructure standpoint), but also faster and more nimble. The Weather Company (and its collection of technology and data) fits nicely into that paradigm.
Quoting 17. NativeSun:

What is IBM's stance on climate change? Maybe this will become a weather blog again.


You will be hard pressed to find any global corporations that do not acknowledge the reality of human caused climate change even the energy companies do. That being said, there are certainly many places on the internet that are happy to feed misinformation and lies on the subject and usually those places have a vested interest in keeping you misinformed.
Quoting 16. FunnelVortex:



How is that going to help weather technologies?
IBM wants more websites with lot of visitors. They can then run their versions of analytics on every visitor and monetize the results. As long as people keep coming, the content is secondary. IBM has had some real accounting issues, leading to millions in fines. The cloud is the best place to "adjust" such things.

This rumor has been on the street for several days at least. When the gang went to Vegas for the IBM shindig, this is what I thought would happen.
Quoting 40. beell:

What is "Big Data"-ibm.com


Yup. I came across the "Smarter Planet" move from IBM probably about a year ago. I can't even remember how I came across it.

Metadata: It's a global trend. Look at the US Government - The Patriot Act, Verizon and ATT just one example.

Working in the Education field, we've been on board the metadata train for a few years now. Everything is data. Scores, ratings, tests... the ability to be an effective teacher is now showing improvement in data over time. Teachers that aren't keeping detailed and accessible data are going to be left in the dust.
Oh bee-hive ( Austin powers impression)


Quoting 18. FunnelVortex:



Please don't poke that beehive.
This is great news for me. Maybe now my pc will be able to capture some of those great images & graphics you youngsters post in here!
I can imagine positives that can come of this:
* IBM invests and creates its own weather models to compete with the other professional weather companies. (Wouldn't it fun for Dr. Masters to blog about a weather model that he has intimate knowledge of and possibly has a hand in creating? Maybe it could have his initials in it! Yes I am a big fan.)
* Computer Hardware capability is removed as a limiting factor in model performance.
- Even if it is not their own models, they could host government models in the cloud for them.
- IBM could throttle back some of their other systems/clients, and provide more power to the weather in support of weather emergencies and double the frequency of model runs?
* Stability! Hardware / software / and strategic direction. I've seen the complaints the last few days about outages. Working in IT, I know that High Availability systems are really expensive.

These are some of the the IT-centric things I can think of.
Quoting: "Bob Henson and I plan to ride the rapids ..."

Umm, good luck to you and us :-)

IBM Is About To Change The Way We Forecast Weather
Its latest acquisition might sound boring, but it could actually improve your life.

Damon Beres


Posted: 10/28/2015 12:46 PM EDT
In maybe the least sexy-sounding news of all time, IBM on Wednesday announced the acquisition of digital components of The Weather company, including Weather.com. But don't let those eyes glaze over: This could be a very big deal in terms of how you'll learn about weather moving forward.

IBM will be able to use its Watson supercomputer system to create more precise forecasts. Consider this: Watson is already able to use big data to help doctors diagnose serious ailments. No one human could possibly have a complete, encyclopedic knowledge of every symptom or treatment option out there, but Watson -- which pulls information from an array of sources spanning academic reports and tweets -- basically can.

Apply that same idea to the weather and, well, you see where this is going.

"We see the next wave of improved forecasting coming from the intersection of atmospheric science, computer science and analytics," David Kenny, chairman and CEO of The Weather Company, said in a press release announcing the move.

Here's how IBM explains the deal in a press release of its own (emphasis ours):

Upon closing, IBM will acquire The Weather Company product and technology assets that include the world’s leading meteorological data science experts, precision forecasting capabilities and a high-volume cloud platform that ingests, processes, analyzes and distributes enormous data sets at scale in real time. The company’s sophisticated models analyze data from three billion weather forecast reference points, more than 40 million smartphones and 50,000 airplane flights per day, allowing it to offer a broad range of data-driven products and services to more than 5000 clients in the media, aviation, energy, insurance and government industries.
Translated: IBM will tap into a huge network of weather data, digest it and provide information to commercial clients.

As for how that might affect you, a spokesman for IBM explained to The Huffington Post that insurance companies, for example, will be able to know more about incoming storms and pass that information along to customers. Airlines will be able to better understand weather conditions and, in theory, avoid delays while wasting less fuel.

In other words, there's a lot of potential here. Think about all the ways crummy weather can ruin your day -- then consider how your frustrations might be alleviated with just a bit more information at the right time.

Consider also the resources that could be saved around the world: Cities could better understand when (and if) they need to shut down public transportation ahead of a hurricane, for example. As IBM noted it in this Vine post (below), routine weather cost U.S. businesses $500 billion last year -- money that might be better kept for a rainy day:

Quoting 41. Naga5000:



You will be hard pressed to find any global corporations that do not acknowledge the reality of human caused climate change even the energy companies do. That being said, there are certainly many places on the internet that are happy to feed misinformation and lies on the subject and usually those places have a vested interest in keeping you misinformed.

Better yet what progress has been made to combat e-waste by their products?
Quoting 45. tropicofcancer:

This is great news for me. Maybe now my pc will be able to capture some of those great images & graphics you youngsters post in here!




Can you run Pong on that at 10 FPS? :-)
Quoting 47. barbamz:

Quoting: "Bob Henson and I plan to ride the rapids ..."

Umm, good luck to you and us :-)


LOLOLOLOL

I like the convenient handle.
Quoting 17. NativeSun:

What is IBM's stance on climate change? Maybe this will become a weather blog again.


Since IBM is an international company, and has been for decades, it is highly unlikely that its business managers have just been sitting around on their back porch trying to figure out what today's weather will be like.
Quoting 33. oldschool:

Being owned by a technology company might be better than being owned by private equity and a TV network. IBM has built some fabulous high-volume real-time web sites in the past for financial services and general public use (like all of the scoring for the Olympics and The Masters) but the efforts have been diffuse. So I hope you can hang in there for a bit.
And their efforts got even more diffuse today. IBM really only cares about numbers, since they believe they can translate clicks to money. It hasn't worked so far but, like many behemoth companies, they believe the way they approached it 10 times in the past 40 years was wrong, not the approach itself. There's a reason why IBM has gone from $176.30 a share on May 4 of this year to $139.35 today. They didn't buy the digital assets of TWC just because they have a burning desire to make better weather forecasts.
Quoting 43. LongIslandBeaches:



Yup. I came across the "Smarter Planet" move from IBM probably about a year ago. I can't even remember how I came across it.

Metadata: It's a global trend. Look at the US Government - The Patriot Act, Verizon and ATT just one example.
FWIW Metadata is data about data. Metadata describes what the data is describing. Now in unison: ohhm.
I guess they didn't take my bid.
Quoting 22. tampabaymatt:

Maybe IBM can bring back WU classic.
LOL. As I wrote at the time, Classic was being dumped to help clear the way for a sale. I don't think it's coming back. What remains of WU is going to look a lot different a year from now. The sound you hear in the background are resumes being feverishly updated. :-0
Quoting 46. DFWdad:

I can imagine positives that can come of this:
* IBM invests and creates its own weather models to compete with the other professional weather companies. (Wouldn't it fun for Dr. Masters to blog about a weather model that he has intimate knowledge of and possibly has a hand in creating? Maybe it could have his initials in it! Yes I am a big fan.)

[Not enough years in a day for that to happen. Today's models took umpty years to develop.]

* Computer Hardware capability is removed as a limiting factor in model performance.

[Nothing is free for nobody. Not gonna happen.]

- Even if it is not their own models, they could host government models in the cloud for them.
- IBM could throttle back some of their other systems/clients, and provide more power to the weather in support of weather emergencies and double the frequency of model runs?

[How does IBM make money off of that?]

* Stability! Hardware / software / and strategic direction. I've seen the complaints the last few days about outages. Working in IT, I know that High Availability systems are really expensive.

[The further removed we become from the original developers, the worse things get.]

These are some of the the IT-centric things I can think of.
Quoting 55. beell:


comScore.com
You mean neither the WU app nor the the TWC app is the "...data platform [that] hosts the fourth-most used mobile app in the U.S"? You know, the PR departments hate people like you. :-)
Quoting 60. sar2401:
You mean neither the WU app nor the the TWC app is the "...data platform [that] hosts the fourth-most used mobile app in the U.S"? You know, the PR departments hate people like you. :-)


Oops - IBM paid too much for a business, again!
Totally unauthorized contest.

In the next 15 minutes anybody can write one positive thing about today's blog or the weather. I know it may be difficult, but try!
Quoting 62. Grothar:

Totally unauthorized contest.

In the next 15 minutes anybody can write one positive thing about today's blog or the weather. I know it may be difficult, but try!


It's supposed to be in the 60's here next week :-)
Quoting 46. DFWdad:

I can imagine positives that can come of this:
* IBM invests and creates its own weather models to compete with the other professional weather companies. (Wouldn't it fun for Dr. Masters to blog about a weather model that he has intimate knowledge of and possibly has a hand in creating? Maybe it could have his initials in it! Yes I am a big fan.)
* Computer Hardware capability is removed as a limiting factor in model performance.
- Even if it is not their own models, they could host government models in the cloud for them.
- IBM could throttle back some of their other systems/clients, and provide more power to the weather in support of weather emergencies and double the frequency of model runs?
* Stability! Hardware / software / and strategic direction. I've seen the complaints the last few days about outages. Working in IT, I know that High Availability systems are really expensive.

These are some of the the IT-centric things I can think of.
Can you think of a company IBM has purchased on the last 15 years or so that still exists as an identifiable entity? I can't, but I also slept late this morning, so I haven't had my required three cups of coffee to jump start my brain. :-)
Quoting 62. Grothar:

Totally unauthorized contest.

In the next 15 minutes anybody can write one positive thing about today's blog or the weather. I know it may be difficult, but try!
It gives us something to gripe about!
Quoting 62. Grothar:

Totally unauthorized contest.

In the next 15 minutes anybody can write one positive thing about today's blog or the weather. I know it may be difficult, but try!


I'm sorry Gro but the good ole days of a functional WU site seem to be over. The system crashes with WU server is getting pretty serious. I'm tell you WU keeps feeding all these ads with videos on the side of the site and the top of the site and the system just can't handle it so as a result we keep seeing these crashes and its getting worse as WU was down for the whole evening and well into the overnight.
Quoting 66. bappit:

It gives us something to gripe about!


:) Something the blog need much more of.
I got .0.08" of rain overnight! How's that for positive?
Quoting 45. tropicofcancer:

This is great news for me. Maybe now my pc will be able to capture some of those great images & graphics you youngsters post in here!


it a little better nowadays

Quoting 61. Greg01:



Oops - IBM paid too much for a business, again!
The word on the Street is somewhere north of $2 billion. It seems IBM is really keen to get at all the PWS data in terms of selling weather data beyond what the NWS produces. They have lots of unused capacity with Watson, so that might be a good deal as long as they can keep people putting up the data for free.
Quoting 62. Grothar:
Totally unauthorized contest.

In the next 15 minutes anybody can write one positive thing about today's blog or the weather. I know it may be difficult, but try!


Yes - It's 84 degrees under mostly sunny skies in downtown Houston.
Quoting 73. sar2401:

The word on the Street is somewhere north of $2 billion. It seems IBM is really keen to get at all the PWS data in terms of selling weather data beyond what the NWS produces. They have lots of unused capacity with Watson, so that might be a good deal as long as they can keep people putting up the data for free.


I suspect there is going to be a mandatory charge in the future to access this site and it may not be cheap.

Quoting 68. StormTrackerScott:



I'm sorry Gro but the good ole days of a functional WU site seem to be over. The system crashes with WU server is getting pretty serious. I'm tell you WU keeps feeding all these ads with videos on the side of the site and the top of the site and the system just can't handle it so as a result we keep seeing these crashes and its getting worse as WU was down for the whole evening and well into the overnight.


if we can use their server for the system well things may speed up
Quoting 68. StormTrackerScott:



I'm sorry Gro but the good ole days of a functional WU site seem to be over. The system crashes with WU server is getting pretty serious. I'm tell you WU keeps feeding all these ads with videos on the side of the site and the top of the site and the system just can't handle it so as a result we keep seeing these crashes and its getting worse as WU was down for the whole evening and well into the overnight.



Fail!!! :):)

If you think today is bad, wait until tomorrow.
Quoting 69. Grothar:



:) Something the blog need much more of.
I should have added: "besides each other!"
Quoting 77. Grothar:




Fail!!! :):)

If you think today is bad, wait until tomorrow.


What about tomorrow?
What about the wunderground show on The Weather Channel--will that continue? I like it.
Quoting 49. Snacker2:


Better yet what progress has been made to combat e-waste by their products?


Well...
"In 2014, IBM's energy conservation projects across the company delivered annual savings equal to 6.7 percent of our total energy use, versus the corporate goal of 3.5 percent. These projects saved and avoided the consumption of 325,500 MWh of electricity and 267,200 million British thermal units (MMBtu) of fuel oil and natural gas, and an associated 142,000 metric tons of CO2 emissions. The conservation projects also saved $37.4 million in energy expense, an increase of $1.6 million over 2013 savings. These strong results are due to our continued, across-the-board focus on energy demand reduction, efficiency, and the implementation of standard, global energy conservation strategies for facility operating systems.

More than 2,200 energy conservation projects involving a full range of energy efficiency initiatives delivered savings by 341 IBM locations globally in 2014. Examples include:
Projects to match building lighting and occupancy schedules or install more efficient lighting systems were implemented at 181 locations, reducing electricity use by 9,800 MWh while saving $1.4 million.
HVAC systems or operating schedules were modified at 155 locations, reducing 36,100 MWh of electricity use and 97,800 MMBtu of fuel use, saving $4.4 million.

Central utility plant projects were implemented at 72 locations, reducing 33,600 MWh of electricity and 103,200 MMBtu of fuel use, saving $5.1 million.

More than 200 manufacturing energy efficiency projects -- including fab tool consolidation, idling test tools when not in use, optimization of manufacturing temperature and humidity settings, and data center efficiency improvements -- were implemented, saving 53,200 MWh of electricity, 37,700 MMBtu of fuel and $4.8 million.
Data center cooling and server and storage virtualization and consolidation projects saved over 160,000 MWh of electricity consumption and $17.5 million."

Combined with their pledge to further reduce emissions by 35% against 2005 levels (or an additional 20% against 2012 levels for a more recent basis), IBM seems to be taking steps towards lowering their carbon footprint.
Quoting 79. FunnelVortex:



What about tomorrow?
One of these tomorrows, the blogs will be gone. WU's not crashing, it's undergoing a lobotomy.
Quoting 62. Grothar:

Totally unauthorized contest.

In the next 15 minutes anybody can write one positive thing about today's blog or the weather. I know it may be difficult, but try!


Your post is very nice, Grothar. :)
Dat circulation....

Quoting 36. RayT:

You know what they say.... you cant fix stupid.




Sure you can. It's just generally illegal to do so in most jurisdictions absent sufficient provocation.
Quoting 62. Grothar:

Totally unauthorized contest.

In the next 15 minutes anybody can write one positive thing about today's blog or the weather. I know it may be difficult, but try!

Another "Chamber of commerce" day in Austin. Mid 70's and reasonable humidity. Got love this town this time of year.....
Quoting 73. sar2401:

The word on the Street is somewhere north of $2 billion. It seems IBM is really keen to get at all the PWS data in terms of selling weather data beyond what the NWS produces. They have lots of unused capacity with Watson, so that might be a good deal as long as they can keep people putting up the data for free.


I'm not sure how any company could consider the PWS data valuable. There is little to no way to confirm the accuracy of the data, and numerous inaccuracies have already been pointed out by lots of people. There is a PWS less than a quarter mile from my home (as the crow flies), that consistently puts out bad data. Is someone confirming the PWS's are being installed correctly? Is anyone performing an audit of the data? Etc. I wouldn't pay squat to have access to PWS data. Heck, it's free now and I rarely look at it.
Quoting 84. FunnelVortex:

Dat circulation....


heat being mixed.
Quoting 74. Greg01:



Yes - It's 84 degrees under mostly sunny skies in downtown Houston.


What building you at, I'm in downtown
Quoting 88. weathergirl2001:

heat being mixed.


Well this is the time of year we usually start to get these stronger systems. If it was colder it would have provoked a lot of winter storm warnings.
Quoting 90. FunnelVortex:



Well this is the time of year we usually start to get these stronger systems.


Does this mean our severe weather season will get a move on?
Thanks for the update Dr. Masters, enjoy the ride....
Can one dream of a return of the effective, efficient, user friendly WU that we came to know and love?
Hopefully this will mean that TWC gets back to the weather and not so many silly "reality" shows.
Naga5000 my teacher says you can't trust what companies say about themselves. Is that stuff you quoted in comment 81 green washing?
Keep looking at the model runs...going out as far as they go...still no winter weather. :'(
Quoting 31. SouthCentralTx:




So many people just lack common sense. Amazes me how many people continue to go around barricades that block flooded streets out here.


There was a minimum amount of that around here during the last weekend's rain event because the NWS and local govt put out lots of pre-information.

(I kinda thought the event seemed a bit over-hyped than usual, but it was intentional to keep people safe - and it worked)
Quoting 62. Grothar:

Totally unauthorized contest.

In the next 15 minutes anybody can write one positive thing about today's blog or the weather. I know it may be difficult, but try!


It is not raining, the water is going down, and I no longer have to paddle around the yard.
Quoting 87. tampabaymatt:



I’m not sure how any company could consider the PWS data valuable. There is zero way to confirm the accuracy of the data, and numerous inaccuracies have already been pointed out by lots of people. There is a PWS less than a quarter mile from my home (as the crow flies), that consistently puts out bad data. Is someone confirming the PWS’s are being installed correctly? Is anyone performing an audit of the data? Etc. I wouldn’t pay squat to have access to PWS data. Heck, it’s free now and I rarely look at it.


You are quite right - my low-end PWS is showing I had 146+ mph winds in my back yard the other night. Every other bit of data seems OK, so I have no idea what caused that glitch. Since the 90 year old pecan trees are still standing, as is my 99 year old house, I assume I did not have these winds as reported by the PWS. And no way I know of to determine what caused the problem.
Quoting 41. Naga5000:



You will be hard pressed to find any global corporations that do not acknowledge the reality of human caused climate change even the energy companies do. That being said, there are certainly many places on the internet that are happy to feed misinformation and lies on the subject and usually those places have a vested interest in keeping you misinformed.


Including politicians on both sides of the aisle. Just look at the ones from coal states like West Virginia.
The blog will continuos isn't?
Quoting 60. sar2401:

You mean neither the WU app nor the the TWC app is the "...data platform [that] hosts the fourth-most used mobile app in the U.S"? You know, the PR departments hate people like you. :-)


"Unique visitors" is different from "most used." So the chart and the press release could both be correct.
Quoting 77. Grothar:




Fail!!! :):)

If you think today is bad, wait until tomorrow.


To me, this means tomorrow will be better than today. I guess I am an optimist. Actually, today was not bad - my flat tire was repairable!
Anyone seen my blimp? I seem to have misplaced it!
Quoting 95. weathergirl2001:

Naga5000 my teacher says you can't trust what companies say about themselves. Is that stuff you quoted in comment 81 green washing?


I think that statement is a bit broad. I think it would be more accurate to say we have to be careful of what to take at face value. Given the spectrum of "debate" over global warming and the actual money saving component of energy conservation, I don't have a reason to doubt IBM has taken those steps. But I suppose it is a possibility. However, we have zero data showing anything otherwise.
107. josF
Thank you Dr. Masters.
Kinda cloudy and cool........Santa Ana tomorrow.

Weather Conditions for:
Sunshine Summit, CA. SSSSD (SDGE)
Elev: 3244 ft; Latitude: 33.344; Longitude: -116.732

Current time: Wed, 28 Oct 11:38 am PDT
Most Recent Observation: Wed, 28 Oct 11:30 am PDT
Explanation of Wx and Clouds columns.
Time Temp. Dew Relative Wind Wind Quality
Point Humidity Direction Speed Control
(PDT) (f) (f) (%) (mph)
28 Oct 11:30 am PDT 71 25 18 NE 4G06 OK
Quoting 105. HurricaneHunterJoe:

Anyone seen my blimp? I seem to have misplaced it!
You hunt hurricanes in a blimp?
110. ADCS
I'm not sure I get the doom and gloom - doesn't this allow for WU to strengthen its focus on weather analytics and serious meteorology, while deemphasizing the need for entertainment and flashy presentation? If I wanted the latter, I'd go to weather.com.

Seems like with the sale, the previous owners of the Weather Company are letting the public know that the goals of this company aren't in line with an entertainment company. That's a good thing.
Santa Ana winds forecast tomorrow........let's hope no criminal starts a fire!

From NWS San Diego:

THERE WILL BE A BRIEF LULL IN THE WINDS THURSDAY AFTERNOON THAT WILL
WILL BE FOLLOWED BY A SECOND...MORE WIDESPREAD AND STRONGER BURST OF
NORTHEAST WINDS THURSDAY NIGHT THROUGH FRIDAY MORNING. THE UPPER
LEVEL SUPPORT WILL BE STRONGER WITH THIS SECOND WIND EVENT WITH 850
MB WINDS OF 30-40 KT BETWEEN 06Z-20Z FRIDAY. SURFACE PRESSURE
GRADIENTS TURN OFFSHORE THURSDAY NIGHT AS HIGH PRESSURE BUILDS OVER
THE GREAT BASIN. THIS WILL BE THE FIRST SANTA ANA WIND EVENT OF THE
SEASON AND WIND ADVISORIES WILL LIKLEY BE ISSUED. PEAK GUSTS WILL
RANGE FROM 40-60 MPH OVER THE SBD MTNS/FOOTHILLS AND THE SANTA ANA
MTNS. THE WINDS WILL FADE FAIRLY QUICKLY FRIDAY AFTERNOON AS THE
UPPER SUPPORT WEAKENS.
Unfortunately this appears to be a downward spiral. Website issues, content changes, its slowing not growing. Lets get back to basics with sound user interfaces, quit turning Wundermaps into something huge - its just klunky. Provide detailed analysis of storms and post videos if you can. More recaps for recent weather events and discussions of weather outlooks please.
12z CMC is re-opening Cape Verde season. LOL!



Quoting 110. ADCS:

I'm not sure I get the doom and gloom - doesn't this allow for WU to strengthen its focus on weather analytics and serious meteorology, while deemphasizing the need for entertainment and flashy presentation? If I wanted the latter, I'd go to weather.com.

Seems like with the sale, the previous owners of the Weather Company are letting the public know that the goals of this company aren't in line with an entertainment company. That's a good thing.
We will find out exactly what happens no sooner that January, when the sale is supposed to be consummated, and probably more months than that for sweeping changes. Until then, there will be lots of unattributed statements by people "close to" TWC and IBM. How accurate they are is probably somewhat similar to the GFS 16 days out. :-)
115. NNYer
Quoting 105. HurricaneHunterJoe:

Anyone seen my blimp? I seem to have misplaced it!


L! O! L!
Quoting 109. Barefootontherocks:

You hunt hurricanes in a blimp?


It guarantees a definite E-ride as opposed to the P-3D
Quoting 89. RitaEvac:


What building you at, I'm in downtown


LyondellBassell - corner Of San Jacinto and McKinney; formerly Houston 1 Center.
118. NNYer
Quoting 105. HurricaneHunterJoe:

Anyone seen my blimp? I seem to have misplaced it!


Link
Quoting 112. Snacker2:

Unfortunately this appears to be a downward spiral. Website issues, content changes, its slowing not growing. Lets get back to basics with sound user interfaces, quit turning Wundermaps into something huge - its just klunky. Provide detailed analysis of storms and post videos if you can. More recaps for recent weather events and discussions of weather outlooks please.

Found the article below (one week old) helpful. Looks like "website issues" and "slowing" is exactly what should be avoided in the future, hopefully.

No Surprise: Weather Company Uses Cloud to Forecast Bad Weather
by Erick Wingfield | Oct 20, 2015
Excuse the irony, but did you know that the Weather Company has heavily implemented cloud infrastructure?
When severe weather happens, Weather.com can sometimes get hammered with server requests. IT analysts at the Weather Company say that traffic can go above 20x times the norm during a large weather event. When the Weather Company is making predictions that help people safe, the last thing they need to worry about is server infrastructure.
"For us, the days the infrastructure is the most tasked are the days you need to be focused on the business and not on the back end," mentions Landon Williams, VP of infrastructure, architecture and services at The Weather Company.
"We have to make sure we perform the best when the weather is at its worst. Our whole ecosystem has to handle it," added Williams.
During normal months, the Weather Company says that its websites get about 125M visitors per month. When severe weather happens, IT analysts inside the Weather Company have seen their websites get over 100M visits in one day. Using cloud infrastructure to host the Weather company's gambit of websites such as (Weather.com and Wunderground.com) seemed like a natural fit.
However, what do you do when you have 13 data centers already in your ecosystem? You migrate to cloud anyways. Currently, the Weather Company uses about 80% cloud and 20% on-premises. The Weather Company says that they are saving over 10% per month on their infrastructure costs and that they plan on migrating the rest of the workloads into the cloud throughout the next 18 months.
In addition to using AWS, the Weather Company has also started deploying workloads into IBM's SoftLayer. By spanning over multiple clouds, the Weather Company can ensure that it always has services available for its customers, regardless if one of its cloud vendors is experiencing an outage.
Quoting 94. raylo:

Hopefully this will mean that TWC gets back to the weather and not so many silly "reality" shows.
The TV part of the company is not included in the sale to IBM, so it shouldn't have any effect of programming. Blackstone and the other partners paid $3.0 billion for TWC in 2008. I'm sure it looked like a good deal at the time. In the intervening seven years, the value of the TV part of TWC has consistently declined in terms of viewers and advertisers, so the market value of the company as a whole is probably less than the purchase price. If Blackstone et al can realize $2 billion from the sale of TWC digital, they only need to find another suck...err...purchaser to be willing to pay somewhere near $1 billion for Cantore and Fat Guys in the Woods in order to break even. I suspect that's the goal, and we can look for the TV franchise to also be dumped in the next year.
I hope both Wunderground and The Weather Channel improve. The Weather Channel is an embarrassment. Years ago, it was shown at all the airports and the Private Lounges. People depended upon it. It was a calm, professional presentation, but then resorted to the new filming angles and quick 2 second shots. The interjection of the other shows is nothing but distracting and too long.

The site here is the only one I have trouble with. The white background makes me feel I am in a blizzard. You can't find anything without 74 buttons. The constant script messages and plug-in failures are so annoying, many people do not even come on anyone. While I am sure, the blog is probably the smallest part of this site, it is probably only important to us. And I must admit, as of late, even less so for me and many others. Many of us remember the thousands of entries a day. Now it is only the the hundreds. That not only better tell the site, but even ourselves that something is not right.

I am hardly on anymore, but I do enjoy interacting with many of you (not all :) If it were to go away, I would miss it and so would you.

And consider yourselves lucky I didn't acquire it. I had six of my German relatives lined to be moderators. :P




Quoting 101. pablosyn:

The blog will continuos isn't?
No one knows right now, Pablo. Stay tuned. :-)
Angela Fritz in The Washington Post: IBM to buy digital branch of Weather Company, leaves Weather Channel behind...
"In a major shakeup to the weather industry, IBM announced on Wednesday that it will purchase the Weather Company’s digital assets, including weather.com, WSI and Weather Underground..."
Quoting 100. fmbill:



Including politicians on both sides of the aisle. Just look at the ones from coal states like West Virginia.
You know, you keep playing the "both sides do it" card, but that it patently absurd. Where climate change is concerned--and our response to it--the two "sides of the aisle" have a very different take on things. In short, the Left mostly agrees with scientists; the other side doesn't. Period.
Silly CMC :-)


Not just the CMC






Quoting 113. fmbill:

12z CMC is re-opening Cape Verde season. LOL!




Quoting 121. Grothar:

I hope both Wunderground and The Weather Channel improve. The Weather Channel is an embarrassment. Years ago, it was shown at all the airports and the Private Lounges. People depended upon it. It was a calm, professional presentation, but then resorted to the new filming angles and quick 2 second shots. The interjection of the other shows is nothing but distracting and too long.

The site here is the only one I have trouble with. The white background makes me feel I am in a blizzard. You can't find anything without 74 buttons. The constant script messages and plug-in failures are so annoying, many people do not even come on anyone. While I am sure, the blog is probably the smallest part of this site, it is probably only important to us. And I must admit, as of late, even less so for me and many others. Many of us remember the thousands of entries a day. Now it is only the the hundreds. That not only better tell the site, but even ourselves that something is not right.

I am hardly on anymore, but I do enjoy interacting with many of you (not all :) If it were to go away, I would miss it and so would you.

And consider yourselves lucky I didn't acquire it. I had six of my German relatives lined to be moderators. :P







Ich bin ein Berliner
Quoting 87. tampabaymatt:



I'm not sure how any company could consider the PWS data valuable. There is little to no way to confirm the accuracy of the data, and numerous inaccuracies have already been pointed out by lots of people. There is a PWS less than a quarter mile from my home (as the crow flies), that consistently puts out bad data. Is someone confirming the PWS's are being installed correctly? Is anyone performing an audit of the data? Etc. I wouldn't pay squat to have access to PWS data. Heck, it's free now and I rarely look at it.
The PWS data is by far the most valuable part of WU. The data quality of an individual station isn't all that important compared to the 30,000 or so PWS's feeding data to WU. Those are important in terms of generating data that can be amalgamated to sell to other companies needing fill in data not provided by the NWS, as well as more clicks per day from people looking at the data. Compared to the data and traffic provided by everyone's PWS, the value of the rest of WU is purely nominal.
Quoting 121. Grothar:

And consider yourselves lucky I didn't acquire it. I had six of my German relatives lined to be moderators. :P

Awful thought, lol. Yes, I'm relieved that you didn't succeed :-))
Quoting 68. StormTrackerScott:



I'm sorry Gro but the good ole days of a functional WU site seem to be over. The system crashes with WU server is getting pretty serious. I'm tell you WU keeps feeding all these ads with videos on the side of the site and the top of the site and the system just can't handle it so as a result we keep seeing these crashes and its getting worse as WU was down for the whole evening and well into the overnight.


Nobody goes to WU anymore. It's too crowded

(Credit for idea Yogi Berra}
Quoting 62. Grothar:

Totally unauthorized contest.

In the next 15 minutes anybody can write one positive thing about today's blog or the weather. I know it may be difficult, but try!


Raining in DC but colors are approaching peak and this is my favorite time of year. Temperatures appear to be modestly above normal over the next ten days. Picked my second lemon of the season from the sheltered tree.. will get about 15 more this winter for my wife's pies and fish dishes. Lettuce, the last tomatoes and July fingerling potatoes rounded out the dinner of the fish I caught in the Bahamas. (off Long Island this May). Broccoli is late due to Sept heat but it's almost ready too. No complaints! And people on the blog remain interesting despite the ads.

Quoting 129. sar2401:

The PWS data is by far the most valuable part of WU. The data quality of an individual station isn't all that important compared to the 30,000 or so PWS's feeding data to WU. Those are important in terms of generating data that can be amalgamated to sell to other companies needing fill in data not provided by the NWS, as well as more clicks per day from people looking at the data. Compared to the data and traffic provided by everyone's PWS, the value of the rest of WU is purely nominal.


Well, I have no idea how much of the traffic to this site goes toward looking at PWS data, so I see your point that simply having a network of PWSs all over the place could drive more clicks and web traffic. However, what happens when users of that data begin to realize it can’t be relied upon? The PWS process is inherently flawed; there is no way to verify that the PWS is installed correctly and therefore capturing accurate data. If I’m purchasing a company based on having a network of PWS data that can’t be relied upon, I’m not going to sleep too well at night. So, while you might increase web traffic and clicks by saying you have this great network of weather data all over the world, it might not go too well for you once users of that data begin to see the data can be inaccurate.
Whoa .... that's a pretty big wave to ride there ....

DEFinitely reading back to see what pple are thinking ....
Quoting 129. sar2401:

The PWS data is by far the most valuable part of WU. The data quality of an individual station isn't all that important compared to the 30,000 or so PWS's feeding data to WU. Those are important in terms of generating data that can be amalgamated to sell to other companies needing fill in data not provided by the NWS, as well as more clicks per day from people looking at the data. Compared to the data and traffic provided by everyone's PWS, the value of the rest of WU is purely nominal.


This is pretty much it. Add in the methodological and statistical controls that can be used to adjust data for bias and now we're talking.
Quoting 79. FunnelVortex:



What about tomorrow?
Let me check the Magic 8 Ball for that data...

I was hoping to get the Magic 8 Ball Company International included in the IBM sale, since I own several 8 Balls. I have communicated several times with IBM and WU about the tremendous value the Magic 8 Ball would add to forecasting at relatively low cost. The response was to stop bothering them. Assuming they just didn't understand the issues, I sent a detailed prospectus of the value of the Ball in day to day operations. Last night, someone shot out all the windows in the garage, and my neighbor said she saw a Big Blue van driving away with some person in a rainbow costume at the wheel. I wonder if there's any connection?

:-)
Quoting 128. HurricaneHunterJoe:



Ich bin ein Berliner


You remember that one, huh? We were living in Cologne at that time.
IBM's purchase of WU is going to give the company a HUGE head start on weather-related big data, an advantage no one else has. And, important as the PWS dataset is, it's the technology WU has put together, and the know-how behind it, that made WU so attractive to outside suitors. IBM is smart people.

Will the sale mean changes for these forums and the people who use them? Probably. In fact, I expect it to. But change is part of life, and I for one embrace it.
Quoting 124. Neapolitan:

You know, you keep playing the "both sides do it" card, but that it patently absurd. Where climate change is concerned--and our response to it--the two "sides of the aisle" have a very different take on things. In short, the Left mostly agrees with scientists; the other side doesn't. Period.


I totally agree. There are only a handful on the Left that dispute it. My only point in that comment was that money and special interests are not unique to corporations.
Quoting 136. sar2401:

Let me check the Magic 8 Ball for that data...

I was hoping to get the Magic 8 Ball Company International included in the IBM sale, since I own several 8 Balls. I have communicated several times with IBM and WU about the tremendous value the Magic 8 Ball would add to forecasting at relatively low cost. The response was to stop bothering them. Assuming they just didn't understand the issues, I sent a detailed prospectus of the value of the Ball in day to day operations. Last night, someone shot out all the windows in the garage, and my neighbor said she saw a Big Blue van driving away with some person in a rainbow costume at the wheel. I wonder if there's any connection?

:-)



Ask again later.
Quoting 135. Naga5000:



This is pretty much it. Add in the methodological and statistical controls that can be used to adjust data for bias and now we're talking.
Yes, this kind of statistical problem at the lowest level isn't uncommon in any data set. If there weren't ways to normalize the data, we'd never have statistics about anything. WU has accumulated a unique pool of data with all the PWS's that no other site has. As long as IBM doesn't screw things up and alienate a large number of people providing this free data, they can make a lot more money off it than WU/TWC ever has. IBM has lots of experience in data amalgamation and sales so, if any company go do it, they can.
Come on, guys. You think they'd actually get rid of the blogs?
Quoting 140. georgevandenberghe:




Ask again later.

That's just what the Ball said too. I think I'll wait a couple of days before replacing any of the windows, especially since my last 48 page missive was sent off before the rather unfortunate window plugging incident.
Quoting 142. FunnelVortex:

Come on, guys. You think they'd actually get rid of the blogs?


I don't. I'm not sure why IBM would give a flying rat's you know what about the blogs.
Quoting 116. HurricaneHunterJoe:



It guarantees a definite E-ride as opposed to the P-3D


Straight to Davy Jones Locker....
146. ADCS
Quoting 138. Neapolitan:

IBM's purchase of WU is going to give the company a HUGE head start on weather-related big data, an advantage no one else has. And, important as the PWS dataset is, it's the technology WU has put together, and the know-how behind it, that made WU so attractive to outside suitors. IBM is smart people.

Will the sale mean changes for these forums and the people who use them? Probably. In fact, I expect it to. But change is part of life, and I for one embrace it.


I think people underestimate how valuable this data is. The price of natural gas plunged 10% the other day based on forecasts of a warm start to the winter. If you had access to this data even six hours before the market did, and the data itself came from particularly sophisticated models, that could mean billions to commodities traders. And that's just in one market.
Quoting 81. Naga5000:



Well...
"In 2014, IBM's energy conservation projects across the company delivered annual savings equal to 6.7 percent of our total energy use, versus the corporate goal of 3.5 percent. These projects saved and avoided the consumption of 325,500 MWh of electricity and 267,200 million British thermal units (MMBtu) of fuel oil and natural gas, and an associated 142,000 metric tons of CO2 emissions. The conservation projects also saved $37.4 million in energy expense, an increase of $1.6 million over 2013 savings. These strong results are due to our continued, across-the-board focus on energy demand reduction, efficiency, and the implementation of standard, global energy conservation strategies for facility operating systems.

Pardon my snotty remark before. I knew they had done nothing about e-waste but we're all guilty of participating in the problem. But yes, what you said was correct - companies across the board have done well to combat wasted energy. It saves money. E-waste is an entirely different donkey.
Very Interesting. If I were you guys, I'd be nervous -- I've been my own boss, owned my own business for 30 years and I like not being told what's important to someone else -- like profitability of a given activity.
Hope is all works our FOR Jeff & Bob, and the rest of the gang.
Quoting 129. sar2401:

The PWS data is by far the most valuable part of WU. The data quality of an individual station isn't all that important compared to the 30,000 or so PWS's feeding data to WU. Those are important in terms of generating data that can be amalgamated to sell to other companies needing fill in data not provided by the NWS, as well as more clicks per day from people looking at the data. Compared to the data and traffic provided by everyone's PWS, the value of the rest of WU is purely nominal.
I disagree on two counts:
1. ADs: wu's presences as a "go to" site for quick current weather and for forecast info goes back two decades. That and the wunderground links and stickers placed over the years on other websites, e.g. local government and news sites, are valuable because they drive traffic to wu and make wu advertising income valuable.

2. DATA: wu PWS data is uploaded free of charge by willing participants who own PWSs. Wu does not own the PWS data, so how can they sell it? Last count I saw, there were way more than 30K PWSs connected at wu. How much is their data worth without quality control? People using a nearby weather station and getting bad data about the current temp, or whatever they are looking for, will say, "Pooh, pooh on you, wu." Data including radar otherwise comes as a feed from NWS and other official stations like airports and mesonets who might allow their data to be uploaded.
Quoting 133. tampabaymatt:



Well, I have no idea how much of the traffic to this site goes toward looking at PWS data, so I see your point that simply having a network of PWSs all over the place could drive more clicks and web traffic. However, what happens when users of that data begin to realize it can’t be relied upon? The PWS process is inherently flawed; there is no way to verify that the PWS is installed correctly and therefore capturing accurate data. If I’m purchasing a company based on having a network of PWS data that can’t be relied upon, I’m not going to sleep too well at night. So, while you might increase web traffic and clicks by saying you have this great network of weather data all over the world, it might not go too well for you once users of that data begin to see the data can be inaccurate.

With such a large network identifying PWS that are close to other PWS, it seems to me, that a statistical sampling would be able to show whether you're comments are correct. I, for one, will look at adjacent and nearby sites to see if they are in line. Simple process and it yields good results for my query so to speak. Errors and inaccuracies are a fact of life, it's the process you employ that lets' you see through the errors that makes the difference.
151. beell
Well...I am a big supporter of any company that claims to specialize in cloud-based services.



Quoting 113. fmbill:

12z CMC is re-opening Cape Verde season. LOL!




Stupid joke.
Quoting 18. FunnelVortex:



Please don't poke that beehive.
He obviously likes bees.

Quoting 68. StormTrackerScott:



I'm sorry Gro but the good ole days of a functional WU site seem to be over. The system crashes with WU server is getting pretty serious. I'm tell you WU keeps feeding all these ads with videos on the side of the site and the top of the site and the system just can't handle it so as a result we keep seeing these crashes and its getting worse as WU was down for the whole evening and well into the overnight.
I seem to be getting on in between these crashes. Mainly I'm realizing something must have happened because there have been so few posts. I haven't had any problems posting or accessing the blog.

Also I remind everyone that Aaron, the former WunderYakuza, is no longer with us. I notice no new WunderYakuza as been identified ....
155. MrHul
Quoting 133. tampabaymatt:



Well, I have no idea how much of the traffic to this site goes toward looking at PWS data, so I see your point that simply having a network of PWSs all over the place could drive more clicks and web traffic. However, what happens when users of that data begin to realize it can’t be relied upon? The PWS process is inherently flawed; there is no way to verify that the PWS is installed correctly and therefore capturing accurate data. If I’m purchasing a company based on having a network of PWS data that can’t be relied upon, I’m not going to sleep too well at night. So, while you might increase web traffic and clicks by saying you have this great network of weather data all over the world, it might not go too well for you once users of that data begin to see the data can be inaccurate.

One of the ways to verify the data is the button on your phone that sends a crowd report. If your neighbor's PWS is not reliable, keep sending negative reports.
Quoting 142. FunnelVortex:

Come on, guys. You think they'd actually get rid of the blogs?




you never no
Quoting 75. StormTrackerScott:



I suspect there is going to be a mandatory charge in the future to access this site and it may not be cheap.
AHA!!!!

I see you are BACK!!!!

And I hear on the grapevine that you made a run down this way and did not even drop a WUmail so I could take you out to lunch when you were here!!! If that is what really happened .... I call that SNEAKY ....

Quoting 149. Barefootontherocks:

I disagree on two counts:
1. ADs: wu's presences as a "go to" site for quick current weather and for forecast info goes back two decades. That and the wunderground links and stickers placed over the years on other websites, e.g. local government and news sites, are valuable because they drive traffic to wu and make wu advertising income valuable.

2. DATA: wu PWS data is uploaded free of charge by willing participants who own PWSs. Wu does not own the PWS data, so how can they sell it? Last count I saw, there were way more than 30K PWSs connected at wu. How much is their data worth without quality control? People using a nearby weather station and getting bad data about the current temp, or whatever they are looking for, will say, "Pooh, pooh on you, wu." Data including radar otherwise comes as a feed from NWS and other official stations like airports and mesonets who might allow their data to be uploaded.
Well, then, perhaps the executives running the show at IBM--which, after all, has only been around for 104 years and serves 170 countries--just made a boneheaded mistake and are now sitting around the table in the boardroom slapping themselves on the forehead for failing to consider the points you've brought up before writing that 10-figure check.
Quoting 113. fmbill:

12z CMC is re-opening Cape Verde season. LOL!




Not unprecedented these last few seasons ....
Quoting 142. FunnelVortex:

Come on, guys. You think they'd actually get rid of the blogs?
Does it contribute to revenue? If you've ever had dealings with IBM you'd find that's really the only criteria. As long as they believe they can make money off the blogs, they'll stay.
Quoting 133. tampabaymatt:



Well, I have no idea how much of the traffic to this site goes toward looking at PWS data, so I see your point that simply having a network of PWSs all over the place could drive more clicks and web traffic. However, what happens when users of that data begin to realize it can’t be relied upon? The PWS process is inherently flawed; there is no way to verify that the PWS is installed correctly and therefore capturing accurate data. If I’m purchasing a company based on having a network of PWS data that can’t be relied upon, I’m not going to sleep too well at night. So, while you might increase web traffic and clicks by saying you have this great network of weather data all over the world, it might not go too well for you once users of that data begin to see the data can be inaccurate.
But for your 1 station that's not working well, I have 9 that are in line with NWS data .... that still gives me a powerful source of data. I can adjust for the errors; they become outliers, to reference a forecasting term. What remains is still highly useful and therefore valuable.
Quoting 154. BahaHurican:

Also I remind everyone that Aaron, the former WunderYakuza, is no longer with us. I notice no new WunderYakuza as been identified ....


Resistance is futile ;>)
Quoting 142. FunnelVortex:

Come on, guys. You think they'd actually get rid of the blogs?
I think they understand at least some of the power behind the blogs, and that means they will at least wait to axe them. I'd be more concerned about the photo-hosting, which is storage intensive. I'm not sure how much that adds to their dataset for use as an analytic tool.
Quoting 165. docrod:

Resistance is futile ;>)


wait till ya see whats in the basement

Quoting 138. Neapolitan:

IBM's purchase of WU is going to give the company a HUGE head start on weather-related big data, an advantage no one else has. And, important as the PWS dataset is, it's the technology WU has put together, and the know-how behind it, that made WU so attractive to outside suitors. IBM is smart people.

Will the sale mean changes for these forums and the people who use them? Probably. In fact, I expect it to. But change is part of life, and I for one embrace it.
Wu's technology? Well yeah, back when they were at the forefront of synching NWS data into this site. Now wu's technology is not the only game in town, and someone may be capable of doing it better.

IBM's after grabbing mobile users - and computer users to some extent. And they are into serving corporate clients with weather prediction. Accurate weather predictions help with production and risk reduction for everything from sausage to pharmaceuticals.

Not to mention the look Watson's AI will capably give to evaluation of climate data. Another necessary for corporate and government planning around the world.

Change, yes. And fascinating to contemplate what changes "The AI Connection" might bring to weather and climate forecasting and study.
Quoting 158. Neapolitan:

Well, then, perhaps the executives running the show at IBM--which, after all, has only been around for 104 years and serves 170 countries--just made a boneheaded mistake and are now sitting around the table in the boardroom slapping themselves on the forehead for failing to consider the points you've brought up before writing that 10-figure check.
Did I say they failed to consider this NEO? No. Those are your words, not mine. Of course they considered it. And they have a plan to address it or they considered it inconsequential to their overall goals in this acquisition.
Quoting 166. BahaHurican:

I think they understand at least some of the power behind the blogs, and that means they will at least wait to axe them. I'd be more concerned about the photo-hosting, which is storage intensive. I'm not sure how much that adds to their dataset for use as an analytic tool.


The blogs were the wundergrounds biggest surprise and it is not going anywhere.

They use only 2-3% of the servers on the busiest of days.

Quoting 161. sar2401:

Does it contribute to revenue? If you've ever had dealings with IBM you'd find that's really the only criteria. As long as they believe they can make money off the blogs, they'll stay.


Well the blogs do bring in a good amount of daily traffic.
Quoting 163. BahaHurican:

But for your 1 station that's not working well, I have 9 that are in line with NWS data .... that still gives me a powerful source of data. I can adjust for the errors; they become outliers, to reference a forecasting term. What remains is still highly useful and therefore valuable.


Even if the percentage of PWSs that are unreliable is small relative to the total population, it corrupts the entire concept for me. Having one bad apple in a data set is enough to cause me to not rely upon the total pool. If IBM has a way and plans to adjust the data for these bad apples, that would provide a tremendous amount of value if it works. I'm sure they've thought of this, so it'll be interesting to see what comes of it.
Quoting 151. beell:

Well...I am a big supporter of any company that claims to specialize in cloud-based services.
Shouldn't any WEATHER aficionado do so?

:o)

Quoting 164. sar2401:




No, no, sar .... that was the LAST sinking ship .....
175. beell
Wouldn't want to overlook this little piece of The Weather Company's Pie.

wsi.com

Hopefully IBM can help us at Portlight to expand a vehicle base that is desperately wanted, and needed.

A mere million should help.

Feel free to pass that one along.



Quoting 176. BahaHurican:

Sounds familiar.


Yup, sure does.

History trends toward repeating.
Quoting 173. Patrap:




Antie Em

Quoting 133. tampabaymatt:



Well, I have no idea how much of the traffic to this site goes toward looking at PWS data, so I see your point that simply having a network of PWSs all over the place could drive more clicks and web traffic. However, what happens when users of that data begin to realize it can%u2019t be relied upon? The PWS process is inherently flawed; there is no way to verify that the PWS is installed correctly and therefore capturing accurate data. If I%u2019m purchasing a company based on having a network of PWS data that can%u2019t be relied upon, I%u2019m not going to sleep too well at night. So, while you might increase web traffic and clicks by saying you have this great network of weather data all over the world, it might not go too well for you once users of that data begin to see the data can be inaccurate.
It's not just web traffic, it's the sheer amount of data available. That's really the most important factor. Until me and a couple other folks in the area deactivated our weather stations over the Classic dustup, there were six of them within 25 miles. The only other station in the area is a dodgy AWOS at our excuse for an airport. That data is wrong way more often than the PWS data. If a company like Walmart, which has no clue about weather in a burg like Eufaula, wanted to know if it looks like this a good time to feature ice scrapers or sun block, the PWS data is still better than one official station 50 miles away. This, plus the demographics of the station providers and those that click on the stations, can be very useful to know what to feature in the email ad today. There are hundreds of uses for such data, and IBM knows this. There was really no other reason to only buy the digital business and leave the TV side stranded. The challenge for IBM is to leave WU running in some way not to alienate all the geeks here while still maximizing revenue. IBM knows a lot about computer geeks but almost nothing about weather geeks. My guess is that they will kill the goose that laid the golden egg before it's done.
Quoting 171. FunnelVortex:



Well the blogs do bring in a good amount of daily traffic.
Tiny compared to people coming here looking for weather forecasts and severe storm information. I've yet to run into anyone I know that's not a weather geek who even knows the blog exists, let alone reads it.
Quoting 183. tampabaymatt:




Texas Soaker

Had 7.15" over the weekend. We can use another 3"-4" no problem.
This is pretty cool. Or maybe not. Although this news wasn't the reason for IBM's share price plunge on Wall Street today, IBM is a mere shadow of its former self. They do have some impressive technology but their best days are behind them, I think.
Quoting 105. HurricaneHunterJoe:

Anyone seen my blimp? I seem to have misplaced it!


Here it is Joe.. the first landing at Watson's Island of Enterprise!
Quoting 184. sar2401:

Tiny compared to people coming here looking for weather forecasts and severe storm information. I've yet to run into anyone I know that's not a weather geek who even knows the blog exists, let alone reads it.
I, on the other hand, have been surprised by the people here [locally] who read the doc's blog. Perhaps it's because a fair number of people here are still actively involved in boating and sea-faring activities, or maybe it's just the hurricane thing. [shrugs]
well all jokes aside I am looking forward to the enhance graphics and future weather forecasting tech that may come from all of this maybe in the not so distant future
Hope it all works out for WU & the blog. Still overcast in S C IL, though have seen a glimmer of sunshine from time to time. Probably not going to hit the upper 50s forecast though. 54 w/ a 50 dp, 29.64" w/ 10-15 W winds gusting to 26. Forgot to check gauge at lunch, but a little under 1/2" yesterday afternoon, first measurable of Oct.

Mentioned it Mon., but as today is the 50th anniversary of Gateway Arch's final span being put in place, for anyone interested, there is a nice section on stltoday.com w/ pics (including weather related pics) & articles. Old iron workers up there w/out harnesses, current remake of grounds & museum, etc. Wish I could head down tonight, have it lit up w/ gold spot lights for its golden anny!!
Heading home and Great comments related to the IBM issue today. We had the same type of discussions and speculation last year when TWC/Comcast swapped up WU.

Turned out to be good news as we are still here and now have a TV show named after WU. Now we have to wait to see what happens with this new sale downstream in a few months. Hopefully not any major changes (Blogwise) and some good tech advancement for the WU platforms.

Just a little nervous about it (like when CBS brought Fender Musical Instruments in 65 an the quality of the guitars fell drastically for a few decades as the CBS Corporate "bean counters" started cutting some corners and telling staff how not to build guitars in order to save money) when a non-weather entity makes a weather related purchase.

See Yall Tomorrow.
Quoting 167. KEEPEROFTHEGATE:



wait till ya see whats in the basement


Or maybe out in space (or cloud) - Attention all planets of the Solar Federation - We have assumed control, we have assumed control. :)

Edit: just thought - Elder Race of Man = IBM (elder race of computers)
Quoting 161. sar2401:

Does it contribute to revenue? If you've ever had dealings with IBM you'd find that's really the only criteria. As long as they believe they can make money off the blogs, they'll stay.


I know IBM quite well and yes Sar, you are 100% correct.
Quoting 186. UrcaDeLima:

This is pretty cool. Or maybe not. Although this news wasn't the reason for IBM's share price plunge on Wall Street today, IBM is a mere shadow of its former self. They do have some impressive technology but their best days are behind them, I think.


It was up a couple percent today 10/28 at market close.
Quoting 190. KEEPEROFTHEGATE:

well all jokes aside I am looking forward to the enhance graphics and future weather forecasting tech that may come from all of this maybe in the not so distant future
I agree about the graphics ... I'm thinking we may see some interesting changes, especially if IBM is willing to commit some manpower as well as computing power to the site over the first year after they assume control.
Quoting 45. tropicofcancer:

This is great news for me. Maybe now my pc will be able to capture some of those great images & graphics you youngsters post in here!

I have those three manuals! When the inventory program was moved to a 386 machine & the old 8088 XT w/ 10 MHz turbo no longer needed at work I grabbed them, might even have the original 5" floppies too.
Quoting 125. Grothar:




I'm singing "it's not ooveeerr" lol

GEFS also show a little something
Quoting 151. beell:

Well...I am a big supporter of any company that claims to specialize in cloud-based services.





201. beell
Quoting 186. UrcaDeLima:

This is pretty cool. Or maybe not. Although this news wasn't the reason for IBM's share price plunge on Wall Street today, IBM is a mere shadow of its former self. They do have some impressive technology but their best days are behind them, I think.


Perhaps a touch of sour grapes in this Op piece from Yahoo-since they (Yahoo/TWCompany) are competitors of a sort.
finance.yahoo.com

I did find the last paragraph pleasingly wicked.
;-)

Weather Co. would allow faltering IBM to have two public faces: Watson, which is good for television commercials about IBM's artificial intelligence and cloud skills, and Weather Co.'s digital assets, which will show that IBM can forecast the future-in one small industry.

Quoting 138. Neapolitan:
Will the sale mean changes for these forums and the people who use them? Probably. In fact, I expect it to. But change is part of life, and I for one embrace it.
I for one just love getting old.
Think the blog is greatly underutilized. What better way to spread truth than by having a conversation? More people should be here in a country of 300+ million. Wouldn't take great effort to get more people here and have a larger conversation.


lol would be nice!!
Quoting 204. CaribBoy:



lol would be nice!!
Would be interesting if that happened.
Quoting 148. chuckelp:

Very Interesting. If I were you guys, I'd be nervous -- I've been my own boss, owned my own business for 30 years and I like not being told what's important to someone else -- like profitability of a given activity.
Hope is all works our FOR Jeff & Bob, and the rest of the gang.
They don't want to antagonize the people who own the PWS's. They will pay for that data indirectly if they have to.
The IBM Weather trademarked slogan "Weather Means Business" http://www.ibm.com/analytics/us/en/business/weathe r-insight.html

I see that TC4 has now appeared on the scene in the Arabian Sea.

We have Millions of lurkers...as they view the page, and they count every view.

All viewers are not commenters.

What you see is a very small community, doing a lot of many different things, for over a decade now.
Quoting 173. Patrap:


Quoting 202. bappit:

I for one just love getting old.


hmmm, maybe not so much when you get there...
Quoting 209. Patrap:

We have Millions of lurkers...as they view the page, and they count every view.

All viewers are not commenters.

What you see is a very small community, doing a lot of many different things, for over a decade now.


That's great, had no idea the numbers were that high. Thanks.
Quoting 161. sar2401:

Does it contribute to revenue? If you've ever had dealings with IBM you'd find that's really the only criteria. As long as they believe they can make money off the blogs, they'll stay.
If a website can attract a consistent amount of visits, advertising can be sold on said website... (and said website can always offer ad-free viewing for a fee. Win-Win!) If the blog is able to show a 'profitable' bottom line it should continue, it's all going to depend on which department manager will be calling the shots.. imho
Quoting 213. DeepSeaRising:



That's great, had no idea the numbers were that high. Thanks.

I suppose that there are many people who have not signed up to be members who look on this site every day and especially when severe weather threatens North America where most of the commenters seems to come from.

I'm sure the WU Central will know exactly how many people have actually signed up as commenting members and it must be in thousands.
I personally recognise more than 500 names on here at least.
Added to this there are the one off posters and the short lived trolls who now seem to have dwindled to a thin haze as if snuffed out by some mystery plague.

All in all on winter nights its quite a pleasant experience writing notes on here about some obscure topic vaguely I probably know next to nothing about connected with weather or climatic anomalies but I also suspect that many people just put this site on a tab and refresh it from time to time over the evening.

Meanwhile big high pressure over central Europe and its blocking everything from the Atlantic getting to us here.
Temps on the rise by about 5/c tomorrow onwards and possibly a bit of rain.
I'm going to go out on a limb and predict there'll be no first-week-of-November Snowmageddon-type event affecting the eastern 2/3 of the US this year:

As a life-long weather maven -though strictly an observer- and Wunderground user and fan for many years, I hope we do not lose either the website or Dr Masters!! I would bet the first thing to go would be the "no ads" option.
Quoting 216. Neapolitan:

I'm going to go out on a limb and predict there'll be no first-week-of-November Snowmageddon-type event affecting the eastern 2/3 of the US this year:


It'll wait until Thanksgiving, but then again, with IBM's 'resources' in the mix we may see improvements in future holiday travel weather.. hmmmmm??
I don't think they'll get rid of the blog because it creates site traffic.If they do it'll be a not so smart move.

ECMWF 96h out.

The latest "Euro" has the system in the Arabian Sea (04A) at 961mb before landfall at the coast of Yemen. In case someone doesn't know: There's not only an ongoing war in Yemen but as well a large number of refugees from Africa around:

Despite the violence, war-torn refugees from afar are still reaching Yemen
Published October 28th, 2015 - 05:00 GMT
We don't usually hear much of variation in the narrative coming from Yemen these days. The Saudi-led coalition has been bombing areas across the country since March, while spates of brutal clashes between government loyalists and Shia Houthi rebels reek havoc on the ground.
But a report by the UN's refugee agency this week brings to light another phenomena in the war-torn country—despite the chaos, refugees from different, faraway conflicts are still reaching Yemeni shores by the tens of thousands.
The UNHCR says almost 70,000 refugees and asylum seekers mostly from Ethiopia and Somalia have arrived by sea this year—more than half of whom came after Saudi airstrikes began.
It may be hard to believe, but Yemen is chalk full of foreign refugees. UNHCR numbers tally 264,615 in the country, 250,260 of whom are Somali.
Their path is through a treacherous sea route between the Horn of Africa and Yemen. Eighty-eight people have died trying it so far this year. Over 10,000 arrived in September, according to the UNHCR, up 50 percent from August numbers.
Meanwhile, aid agencies report that the overwhelming majority of Yemen’s mounting death toll are civilians. On Tuesday, a Doctors Without Borders hospital in Saada was taken out by an airstrike. So, while refugees may still be arriving, the situation on the ground isn't getting any safer for anyone.



Current sat presentation of 04A.

OCT 28 2015, 12:14 PM ET
Shortchanged Hurricane Sandy Victims Get More Flood Insurance Cash
by ASSOCIATED PRESS


NEW YORK -- NEW YORK -- Many people who complained that a federal flood insurance program shortchanged them after Superstorm Sandy are getting some validation three years later.

A Federal Emergency Management Agency review launched in the spring has been finding that many policyholders in the National Flood Insurance Program should have gotten more money to fix their homes.

The examination is far from complete, but so far FEMA has found that roughly 60 percent of the 17,000 policyholders participating in the review were entitled to more money.

On average, they are getting an additional $15,000.

Reviewers are finding that insurance adjusters made errors like forgetting to add sales tax to claims.

Flood Insurance: 5 Things You Need to Know When the Water Hits

Quoting 197. dabirds:

I have those three manuals! When the inventory program was moved to a 386 machine & the old 8088 XT w/ 10 MHz turbo no longer needed at work I grabbed them, might even have the original 5" floppies too.


That machine is about 30 years old, We had some of those at the data center in 84, or something similar. Check your mail.
225. beell
Quoting 200. tropicofcancer:





Check out this cloud base. toc!



Image Credit:Mike Holingshead/stormandsky.com
Quoting 198. CaribBoy:



I'm singing "it's not ooveeerr" lol

GEFS also show a little something
"It ain't over, till it's over." -Yogi Berra
WU a hot commodity! Cutting edge, filled with truth about our climate and AGW, and a great place to go for weather and the severe end of it. Hope this deal goes well and we see continued growth in technology and a place in the media wheelhouse on everything from weather to climate. Happy for Jeff and the other founders. Pretty amazing what's happened for Jeff and WU in the last year plus. Cha Ching! IBM is making a good investment.
Quoting 225. beell:



Check out this cloud base. toc!



Image Credit:Mike Holingshead/stormandsky.com


Beautiful supercell
Quoting 220. washingtonian115:

I don't think they'll get rid of the blog because it creates site traffic.If they do it'll be a not so smart move.


New avatar, Wash?
Quoting 225. beell:



Check out this cloud base. toc!



Image Credit:Mike Holingshead/stormandsky.com

Whoa! Awesome image b, you can "feel" the atmosphere!
Re the blogs' continuation: I'm thinking that at least some of what makes WU so attractive to IBM is the "interactive" factor - users impact so much of the traffic here. Aside from the Docs and a few other featured bloggers, the vast amount of blog posts are made by we the people. The pictures - 100% WUndersusers. This is in addition to the PWS network. This amounts to quite a bit of site traffic, which, despite our dislike for the ads, fuels ad dollars. If we are talking metadata, how much does that variety of users contribute?

I'm not even talking about the "youth" factor or that IBM is enough of an international entity to see the value of PWS systems outside the US .....

We are very used to preparing for the worst, but I think we should also hope for the best.

Reality is likely to fall somewhere between the two extremes anyway.
Quoting 226. DeepSeaRising:

You know it's dire and unlivable when masses are fleeing to Yemen. Yeesh. But for the grace of God go I. We should have great empathy for these unfortunate souls.

One of my co-commenters in the PlazaRed has a daughter who is married to a Yemeni. They were living in Yemen for quite a long time but things have got so bad they have now come to live in Spain as "Refugees!"
She is English so they can live here without too many paperwork problems but they said that things are so bad there its not in our experience to imagine them.
To think that many thousands of people are going to Yemen as refugees as in "people who are seeking refuge," gives a bit of an idea of how much worse it must be where they are fleeing from.
Tropical Storm Chapala (I believe that's what it'll be called):



Could be a bad storm for Yemen and Oman, as models show it as a category 3/4 before landfall.
Quoting 223. PedleyCA:



That machine is about 30 years old, We had some of those at the data center in 84, or something similar. Check your mail.
This sounds about right .... That looks just like the first machine I used at work .... talk about memories .... lol ... that was 100% cutting edge back then ...
Quoting 197. dabirds:

I have those three manuals! When the inventory program was moved to a 386 machine & the old 8088 XT w/ 10 MHz turbo no longer needed at work I grabbed them, might even have the original 5" floppies too.


When I discovered that my Mom had her old Mac Classic sitting out in her garage, I nagged her for years to give it to me, to NOT THROW IT AWAY! Finally she caved and handed it over. It still runs, in glorious black & white on a 7 inch screen, with single sided floppies for media. I have the old black and white After Dark screensaver and Duck Hunt on it, as well as the word processing programs Mom used back in the day. <3
Quoting 226. DeepSeaRising:

You know it's dire and unlivable when masses are fleeing to Yemen. Yeesh. But for the grace of God go I. We should have great empathy for these unfortunate souls.

Obviously:

Thousands homeless as El Nino floods sweep Somalia
Source: Thomson Reuters Foundation - Wed, 28 Oct 2015 12:48 GMT
Quoting 234. Envoirment:

Tropical Storm Chapala (I believe that's what it'll be called):



Could be a bad storm for Yemen and Oman, as models show it as a category 3/4 before landfall.

Pretty good outflow, certainly appears stronger than 35 knots...
I would tend to think as this draws near Oman and Yemen that it would begin ingesting large amounts of dry air, I could see a cat 1/2, but has a 3 or greater ever made landfall on that coastline?
Quoting 237. barbamz:


Obviously:

Thousands homeless as El Nino floods sweep Somalia
Source: Thomson Reuters Foundation - Wed, 28 Oct 2015 12:48 GMT
We tend to think of El Nino impacts for our own areas, but really, ENSO has a global impact we don't always consider. Didn't someone post earlier about El Nino impacts for South America? one aspect of which is a deepening of the drought in the northeastern section of the continent?
Quoting 238. ILwthrfan:


Pretty good outflow, certainly appears stronger than 35 knots...
I would tend to think as this draws near Oman and Yemen that it would begin ingesting large amounts of dry air, I could see a cat 1/2, but has a 3 or greater ever made landfall on that coastline?

I think we saw something a few years ago, though I don't think it moved as far west as this is forecast to.

EDIT: Was it Gonu?
Hey all, just a reminder to stay on-topic. Thanks!
Not weather related, but it's appeared on the NWS page.

Child Abduction Emergency

Knoxville, TN. Hopefully they find the child. :(
Steady rain today, got my clothes soaked again walking to class. Sad part is umbrellas were not really useful as we had a good breeze as well. Wind was driving the rain enough to make it obnoxious to walk to class.

On the plus side I talked to my adviser, so I shall see about heading to the AMS conference. :-)
Quoting 207. JNFlori30A:

The IBM Weather trademarked slogan "Weather Means Business" http://www.ibm.com/analytics/us/en/business/weathe r-insight.html


That logo was developed back in March, when IBM and The Weather Company announced their data sharing partner agreement. Some analysts at the time thought (correctly, as it turns out) the "partnership" was really a dry run to allow IBM access to all the TWC data to find out if it was possible to monetize the content. I suspect Blackstone was hoping to sell TWC as one piece to IBM to get rid of the millstone around their neck. Instead, IBM apparently drove a hard bargain, and ended up with the most valuable parts of TWC while the TV side was left to twist in the wind.
Quoting 234. Envoirment:

Tropical Storm Chapala (I believe that's what it'll be called):


Could be a bad storm for Yemen and Oman, as models show it as a category 3/4 before landfall.

I've tried to find out how you post loops from that site, lol. Does it work? And yes, bad outlook for the folks on that coast.
Quoting 211. indianrivguy:



hmmm, maybe not so much when you get there...
Ummmm, yeah. I'll tell my great-grandson that. ..... And if anybody asks, that's on topic!
Quoting 245. sensitivethug:

Hey all, just a reminder to stay on-topic. Thanks!


I try so hard! Yes, I shall attempt to do so. Big moment today for WU. Jeff's hobby, infant site, to the cutting edge site we see today; has come a long way. Was the wild wild west back in the day here. They shackled the trolls under the bridge a long time ago. Site control and affect has gotten much better over the years. Yet somehow Sar and his dastardly eight ball remain. :) Oh well, never going to be a perfect world.
Quoting 245. sensitivethug:

Hey all, just a reminder to stay on-topic. Thanks!
Uh.... does this mean we can't talk about weather and el nino?

[..... just askin' ....]
So now we're removing way too much. You micro manage this blog too much and you'll lose your best posters. There's a fine line.
Quoting 245. sensitivethug:

Hey all, just a reminder to stay on-topic. Thanks!

Quoting Admin Notice:
When using Dr. Masters' blog, please refrain from posting material not relevant to the discussion of tropical weather, or the topic of the blog entry itself.

??? What wrong did we do? Most of all the posts in here were either about the blog topic (IBM deal) or tropical weather. Okay, few posts about upcoming winter weather and El Nino which was and will probably be the topic of other blog entries. So I'm a bit lost right now.
Trying to prevent some of the political comments in particular from going in a direction which would violate multiple aspects of the Community Standards. Hopefully this is understood.
Quoting 189. BahaHurican:

I, on the other hand, have been surprised by the people here [locally] who read the doc's blog. Perhaps it's because a fair number of people here are still actively involved in boating and sea-faring activities, or maybe it's just the hurricane thing. [shrugs]
Based on my experiences in the islands, most people there are much more weatherwise than people here. It makes sense since you're on a relatively small island, and approaching weather can cause a lot more problems than on the mainland. Things like rain are also a lot more important, since filling the cisterns is the only way a lot of people have access to drinking water. My fiance is indicative of many people here. She just wants to know the temperature and if it will rain. The details are totally uninteresting. I had to be careful about talking too much when it came to the details of Joaquin. Even when I explained to her that Joaquin was as amazing as the top 20 cutest kittens ever to appear on FB, more than 30 seconds led to intense eye-rolling. :-)
This is the Day Room and we'll do what we want!
Is it going to be named Hurricane IBM? If not, this is off topic...
Quoting 208. PlazaRed:

I see that TC4 has now appeared on the scene in the Arabian Sea.


Quoting 254. barbamz:


Quoting Admin Notice:
When using Dr. Masters' blog, please refrain from posting material not relevant to the discussion of tropical weather, or the topic of the blog entry itself.

??? What wrong did we do? Most of all the posts in here were either about the blog topic (IBM deal) or tropical weather. Okay, few posts about upcoming winter weather and El Nino which was and will probably be the topic of other blog entries. So I'm a bit lost right now.


Was the refugee comments. And I do get that it is off topic. Constructive off topic has been allowed in the past, it's good for the blog. But it does tie in to AGW as the very beginning of the Syrian conflict was caused by a record drought. Now, with ties to AGW, we see an all time record for refugees. I don't think it's a stretch to say it's part of the conversation on climate change. Great this is happening for WU, but the world hasn't stopped.
Quoting 255. sensitivethug:

Trying to prevent some of the political comments in particular from going in a direction which would violate multiple aspects of the Community Standards. Hopefully this is understood.
Doesn't help me understand. I just looked back 100 posts and didn't see anything I'd call an offensive political comment that would violate rules as I understand them. Have the comments you're referring to already been removed? If not, it would help to point to one that's close to violating the guidelines so we'd understand it better. Now you'll just end up with a bunch of people afraid to post anything for fear of violating some guideline.
Er, ahhhh, pssssst, "IBM",

Same goes for you folks, as when TWC acquired wu'.....



Been beat up and battered 'round
Been sent up, and we've been shot down
You're the best thing that I've ever found

Handle us with care


Reputations changeable
Situations tolerable
But baby, you're adorable
Handle us with care
We're so tired of being lonely
We still have some love to give
Won't you show me that you really care

Everybody's got somebody to lean on
Put your body next to mine, and dream on

We've been fobbed off, and I've been fooled
We've been robbed and ridiculed
In day care centers and night schools
Handle me with care


[Guitar Solo]

Been stuck in airports, terrorized
Sent to meetings, hypnotized
Overexposed, commercialized
Handle us with care

We're so tired of being lonely
we still have some love to give
Won't you show us that you really care

Everybody's got somebody to lean on
Put your body next to mine, and dream on

We've been uptight and made a mess
But we'll clean it up ourself, I guess
Oh, the sweet smell of success
Handle us with care






Quoting 260. sar2401:

Doesn't help me understand. I just looked back 100 posts and didn't see anything I'd call an offensive political comment that would violate rules as I understand them. Have the comments you're referring to already been removed? If not, it would help to point to one that's close to violating the guidelines so we'd understand it better. Now you'll just end up with a bunch of people afraid to post anything for fear of violating some guideline.
hmmm must be folks on my ignore list
Anyone here who knows me, knows that I like to take the deep dive into a very complicated world, climate, and human condition. I am usually on topic, but sometimes a deeper look at what's happening on a geopolitical and human terms is very important. I respect the rules but they must be matched with a practicality that doesn't keep the blog too regimented and squelching the thoughts on meaningful subjects; not always a good idea for furthering the agenda of truth. Which is at the core of what WU stands for.
Quoting 258. SecretStormNerd:

Is it going to be named Hurricane IBM? If not, this is off topic...

Whatever it ends up being called its going to cause a lot of problems in one of the busiest shipping lanes in the world, full of all kinds of cargo. Very few safe ports to hide out in.
Added to that there is a lot of poverty in the region and very little if any government.
I suppose it will keep the pirates in port for a while.

SSTs are very high in the area so there's plenty to keep the storm fuelled up.
Rainfall will become mud and housing is made from that, so lots more dissolved houses.

Here's the SST chart.
What comments were removed? why is the blog in a uproar? I'm confused.
212. barbamz
This comment has been removed for violating the Community Standards.

Boy. Was this the comment showing how refugees will suffer due to upcoming grim winter weather??? I don't get it. Never happened with posts like this before. Signs for upcoming changes? I'm out now. It's anyway late in Germany. Good night everyone.
Quoting 265. washingtonian115:

What comments were removed? why is the blog in a uproar? I'm confused.


Barb, Plaza, and myself were talking the refugee crisis in the world. Lot of good information, lots of plusses. Nothing controversial at all. Just the facts. Removed it in an overzealous attempt to represent the new norm maybe? Who knows? Not worried, WU is great and it'll get worked out like it always does. Would not want to be a mod here. Not an easy job. And WU, if you need one, jk, would love to be a mod here. It does come with a paycheck right? :)
Been mostly lurking on the blog for over a decade as the blog has improved in fits and starts as in this most recent change. Don't underestimate the influence of the blog community, there is an old Wall Street saying "When the product is free YOU are the product".
Quoting 249. barbamz:

Quoting 234. Envoirment:

Tropical Storm Chapala (I believe that's what it'll be called):


Could be a bad storm for Yemen and Oman, as models show it as a category 3/4 before landfall.

I've tried to find out how you post loops from that site, lol. Does it work? And yes, bad outlook for the folks on that coast.


I right click and click view page info, then click the media tab and choose the animation without the forecast track etc on it. Although I think you've figured it out. :)

Quoting 238. ILwthrfan:


Pretty good outflow, certainly appears stronger than 35 knots...
I would tend to think as this draws near Oman and Yemen that it would begin ingesting large amounts of dry air, I could see a cat 1/2, but has a 3 or greater ever made landfall on that coastline?



I don't believe so, although Typhoon Gonu hit the eastern tip of Oman as a category 2 I believe? Although it produced 5 meter storm surge in some parts of Oman. The Arabian Sea doesn't usually produce many strong systems and those that it does produce tend to weaken quickly due to dry air as they approach land. Given the favourable upper level pattern and SSTs though, it'll likley produce heavy rain weather a weak TS or category 3 at landfall.

P.S: A category 3 storm made landfall in Pakistan in 1998 and another in 1999, although Pakistan isn't nearly as dry as Oman/Yemen and other countries further west.
Quoting 266. barbamz:

212. barbamz
This comment has been removed for violating the Community Standards.

Boy. Was this the comment showing how refugees will suffer due to upcoming grim winter weather??? I don't get it. Never happened with posts like this before. Signs for upcoming changes? I'm out now. It's anyway late in Germany. Good night everyone.


Pettily ticking off one of our best bloggers. Removing her comment on very real climate conditions affecting the most vulnerable? Come on man!
I'm gonna go out on a limb,..Imagine dat?

Can I get a amen, here ?

We should send it to IBM's CEO..

Quoting 177. Patrap:

Hopefully IBM can help us at Portlight to expand a vehicle base that is desperately wanted, and needed.

A mere million should help.

Feel free to pass that one along.




Quoting 267. DeepSeaRising:



Barb, Plaza, and myself were talking the refugee crisis in the world. Lot of good information, lots of plusses. Nothing controversial at all. Just the facts. Removed it in an overzealous attempt to represent the new norm maybe? Who knows? Not worried, WU is great and it'll get worked out like it always does. Would not want to be a mod here. Not an easy job. And WU, if you need one, jk, would love to be a mod here. It does come with a paycheck right? :)


The whole thing started when I popped in a comment that A Wall was being built..in Europe.


It was removed , but the thread that followed was weather and HUMANE related.


Lordy,...

Please ADMIN, let the blog roll on, If anyone was to blame, I am.



Semper Fi'
Quoting 232. BahaHurican:

Re the blogs' continuation: I'm thinking that at least some of what makes WU so attractive to IBM is the "interactive" factor - users impact so much of the traffic here. Aside from the Docs and a few other featured bloggers, the vast amount of blog posts are made by we the people. The pictures - 100% WUndersusers. This is in addition to the PWS network. This amounts to quite a bit of site traffic, which, despite our dislike for the ads, fuels ad dollars. If we are talking metadata, how much does that variety of users contribute?

I'm not even talking about the "youth" factor or that IBM is enough of an international entity to see the value of PWS systems outside the US .....

We are very used to preparing for the worst, but I think we should also hope for the best.

Reality is likely to fall somewhere between the two extremes anyway.


IBM probably has little interest in selling ads. They want the data from the WU and TWC models, and perhaps the PWSs and other sources, so that they can sell it to shipping, ag, and aviation interests as well as geological surveys and other similar users. Anyone who will pay money for the data or the forecasts and historical amalgamations it enables. They don't care about anything else, including you, me, Dr. Masters, or anyone else. Have you ever owned or worked for a company that IBM acquired? Blue wash, blue rinse, put the yoke on the moneymaker, move its maintenance to India, and forget about it.

Dr. Masters, now would be a good time to think about taking the money you've (I hope!) made and starting over. You do not want to ride these rapids. It would be a cinch to get venture funding right now for almost anything you'd consider doing.
This is the wind map for 48 hours from now.
It shows aprox 75 MPH winds and still a way to go to landfall.
I still think it could become another odd ball of the season and get stronger than expected.

Link

Subtle modifications to the word of the Wilberrys song there Pat.
It is a gift PR, thanx

Uh ....

It feels like most people took their blog and went home ....

Or is this another blog hole of doom?
Quoting 260. sar2401:

Doesn't help me understand. I just looked back 100 posts and didn't see anything I'd call an offensive political comment that would violate rules as I understand them. Have the comments you're referring to already been removed? If not, it would help to point to one that's close to violating the guidelines so we'd understand it better. Now you'll just end up with a bunch of people afraid to post anything for fear of violating some guideline.
They have been removed. Some were bordering on hate speech and other violations, which is why I won't re-post them as examples. Other comments were quoting the comments which were deleted.

No need for fear folks. Nothing has changed! Just trying to keep things clean.
Quoting 277. sensitivethug:

They have been removed. Some were bordering on hate speech and other violations, which is why I won't re-post them as examples. Other comments were quoting the comments which were deleted.

No need for fear folks. Nothing has changed! Just trying to keep things clean.


Please post one that was bordering on hate speech. Flat out lie. This is sad and not acceptable. Honesty would be a good place to start Michelle. YOUR not more important than this blog.
(Meanwhile in the background I'm sipping coco while the blog is in a ruckus)
Quoting 277. sensitivethug:

They have been removed. Some were bordering on hate speech and other violations, which is why I won't re-post them as examples. Other comments were quoting the comments which were deleted.

No need for fear folks. Nothing has changed! Just trying to keep things clean.


Could we possibly direct this off the main blog and over to yours sensitive? I'm curious as much as the other bloggers since I didn't see anything enough to be flag worthy, however, continuing the discussion on here seems fruitless (and off topic).
IBM Is About To Change The Way We Forecast Weather
Its latest acquisition might sound boring, but it could actually improve your life.

Damon Beres


Posted: 10/28/2015 12:46 PM EDT

In maybe the least sexy-sounding news of all time, IBM on Wednesday announced the acquisition of digital components of The Weather company, including Weather.com. But don't let those eyes glaze over: This could be a very big deal in terms of how you'll learn about weather moving forward.

IBM will be able to use its Watson supercomputer system to create more precise forecasts. Consider this: Watson is already able to use big data to help doctors diagnose serious ailments. No one human could possibly have a complete, encyclopedic knowledge of every symptom or treatment option out there, but Watson -- which pulls information from an array of sources spanning academic reports and tweets -- basically can.

Apply that same idea to the weather and, well, you see where this is going.

"We see the next wave of improved forecasting coming from the intersection of atmospheric science, computer science and analytics," David Kenny, chairman and CEO of The Weather Company, said in a press release announcing the move.

Here's how IBM explains the deal in a press release of its own (emphasis ours):

Upon closing, IBM will acquire The Weather Company product and technology assets that include the world’s leading meteorological data science experts, precision forecasting capabilities and a high-volume cloud platform that ingests, processes, analyzes and distributes enormous data sets at scale in real time. The company’s sophisticated models analyze data from three billion weather forecast reference points, more than 40 million smartphones and 50,000 airplane flights per day, allowing it to offer a broad range of data-driven products and services to more than 5000 clients in the media, aviation, energy, insurance and government industries.

Translated: IBM will tap into a huge network of weather data, digest it and provide information to commercial clients.

As for how that might affect you, a spokesman for IBM explained to The Huffington Post that insurance companies, for example, will be able to know more about incoming storms and pass that information along to customers. Airlines will be able to better understand weather conditions and, in theory, avoid delays while wasting less fuel.

In other words, there's a lot of potential here. Think about all the ways crummy weather can ruin your day -- then consider how your frustrations might be alleviated with just a bit more information at the right time.

Consider also the resources that could be saved around the world: Cities could better understand when (and if) they need to shut down public transportation ahead of a hurricane, for example. As IBM noted it in this Vine post (below), routine weather cost U.S. businesses $500 billion last year -- money that might be better kept for a rainy day:
Link
interesting article
http://www.wired.com/2015/10/ibm-is-about-to-beco me-the-best-weather-forecaster-of-all-time/
Quoting 278. DeepSeaRising:



Please post one that was bordering on hate speech. Flat out lie. This is sad and not acceptable. Honesty would be a good place to start Michelle. YOUR not more important than this blog.


I've been following the blog closely for the past few hours, if one that did border on hate got removed, then I apologize. I did not see such a post at all. Over junior deputying the blog has happened before. It's not a big deal, has always been corrected.
Quoting 278. DeepSeaRising:



Please post one that was bordering on hate speech. Flat out lie. This is sad and not acceptable. Honesty would be a good place to start Michelle. YOUR not more important than this blog.
The entire conversation about the European refugees, and all related posts, have been removed. I bet my comment was taken as hate speech ... it would not have been politically correct enough. Laughing at the irony of history could easily have been construed to be laughing at the victims of history.

Now, ironically, that was a very productive conversation where we had started considering worldwide implications of global warming on people. Very few regular bloggers here would have considered the political overtones or undertones of said conversation to be more [or even as] valuable, important or notable than [as] the weather / climate implications of our comments.

This, my fellow bloggers, is the outcome of us not being able to police ourselves. Whenever you choose to have others moderate your conversation, you become subject to other people's interpretation of what is correct or not. Unfortunately, there's a fine line between moderation and censorship in a lot of people's minds.

The other thing is that there has been in the past a delineation between active periods and non-active periods on the blog. During slower periods like this, when the ATL season is winding down and the Southern Hemisphere hasn't gotten going yet [and let's get real - the topic of today's blog is a business deal, not major weather] there has been a certain amount of latitude allowed regarding topics. I think some of us feel justly aggrieved because we are sure we haven't skirted the bounds of the blog by very much. Certainly any comments I made were not intended to contravene blog rules.

@ Michelle: I'm sure you are just doing your job, and I'll bet you want to see the blog continue and thrive. However, your approach felt rather like a sneak attack to me, and perhaps to some others as well. I don't think you were trying to "shut the blog down", as it were. But maybe you could ease up on us, [I mean employ a gentler approach, not allow slackness] rather than hitting us with the ban hammer of doom, as it were ....
Quoting 282. CaicosRetiredSailor:

Link
interesting article
http://www.wired.com/2015/10/ibm-is-about-to-beco me-the-best-weather-forecaster-of-all-time/
Here's just one quote I pulled, but the whole WSJ article is interesting and the most comprehensive one I've seen today. Thanks.
RE: The AI, Watson
"To help researchers at the Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center, for example, IBM fed medical text books and journals into the system. More recently, it signed a partnership with Twitter to pipe every single tweet into into(sic) Watson.

"'The whole mission is to provide better predictive capabilities in the hands of our clients,' says Glenn Finch, global leader of big data and analytics for IBM Global Business Services."

280. Astrometeor
8:13 PM EDT on October 28, 2015

I won't quote you, but I will say this does need to be hashed out. I already had my say. You can paste it over the the other blog if you wish. I think I'm going to take a break from the blog for now.
Quite frankly, I've been reading this blog almost daily since Katrina, though I only very rarely post, as I don't generally feel I have much productive information to add to the discussion.

Lets see what happens with this new aquisition

My experience with such things is in my part suppliers being bought up by some of these large corporations, held on to for a bit, then sold again to another conglomerate, or broken free again altogether, to survive, or not.
some of these have been good for the product lines, some not so good, where I've been forced to change product lines to ones manufactured by other suppliers,
 for the most part, its alot like the weather. one can make predictions, but, how many people predicted Patricia would bomb like it did unfortunately, or, fortunately, the storm didn't hit any major population zones.

284. BahaHurican
12:38 AM GMT on October 29, 2015

True, Baha.
Please consider also, self-policing is trouble when it becomes hatred turned toward other bloggers who have something legitimate to say. Another type of censorship. And a conundrumous sitcheeashun.
Quoting 209. Patrap:

We have Millions of lurkers...
All viewers are not commenters.


THANK GOD!
Blog was flowing nicely. Lot of good information, no arguing, and all was well. There are time's when AGW/religion/politics gets out of hand here and it becomes more of a back and forth to no good purpose. That's where we need Mods. Nothing here even came close to needing to be removed today. No need to create a problem where none exists. Is self defeating on it's face.
Big boomer in bound for me and my friends. Woot.

BULLETIN - IMMEDIATE BROADCAST REQUESTED
SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE STATE COLLEGE PA
854 PM EDT WED OCT 28 2015

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN STATE COLLEGE PA HAS ISSUED A

* SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING FOR...
SOUTHEASTERN LEBANON COUNTY IN SOUTH CENTRAL PENNSYLVANIA...
SOUTHEASTERN YORK COUNTY IN SOUTH CENTRAL PENNSYLVANIA...
NORTHERN LANCASTER COUNTY IN SOUTH CENTRAL PENNSYLVANIA...

* UNTIL 1015 PM EDT

* AT 853 PM EDT...DOPPLER RADAR INDICATED A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM
CAPABLE OF PRODUCING DAMAGING WINDS AROUND 60 MPH. THIS STORM WAS
LOCATED NEAR MANCHESTER...AND MOVING NORTHEAST AT 45 MPH.

* LOCATIONS IMPACTED INCLUDE...
YORK...EAST PETERSBURG...MILLERSVILLE...RED LION...MOUNT JOY...
EPHRATA...MYERSTOWN...DALLASTOWN...COLUMBIA...LEBA NON...MANHEIM...
SPRY...LANCASTER...AKRON...CORNWALL...LITITZ...ELI ZABETHTOWN...
WILLOW STREET...JACOBUS AND BRICKERVILLE.

THIS INCLUDES THE FOLLOWING INTERSTATES...
THE PENNSYLVANIA TURNPIKE FROM MILE MARKERS 261 TO 289.
INTERSTATE 83 FROM MILE MARKERS 0 TO 21.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

THE THUNDERSTORM WIND GUSTS ARE EXPECTED TO PRODUCE DAMAGE. PEOPLE
OUTSIDE SHOULD MOVE TO A SHELTER...PREFERABLY INSIDE A STRONG
BUILDING.

TORRENTIAL RAINFALL IS ALSO OCCURRING WITH THIS STORM...AND MAY LEAD
TO FLOODING. DO NOT DRIVE YOUR VEHICLE THROUGH FLOODED ROADWAYS.
Quoting 279. washingtonian115:

(Meanwhile in the background I'm sipping coco while the blog is in a ruckus)


I'm studying for an atmospheric physics exam, and deriving equations 1000 times over is more peaceful than the blog right now, lol.
"The Gulfstream in Winter," by German cartographer August Petermann, 1870. Click map to expand.

Will say this, was expecting an immediate ban for my comment #278. Am grateful that such did not occur. I respect that the Mod's have a very tough balance to maintain. I do respect the Mod's and know they're doing the best they can. Thanks for your allowance of grievances aired. I feel much better. :)
Unrelated to any of the topics being discussed today but I was just told that my great granddad was born on the same day I was.I didn't even know this in all my years.
From comment #149 "Wu does not own the PWS data, so how can they sell it?"

Actually they do. From the TOS page

"All data derived from the 'Personal Weather Station' Network, is unique and proprietary to WUI"

I already knew that, but there's an old principle in business: "When the service is free, you are the product"
298. beell
...Clearly, it's for the data...

...Assuming the deal is approved and completed, IBM will absorb The Weather Company's business-to-business, mobile and cloud computing properties, including weather.com - the most popular weather site out there - along with Weather Underground, which the Weather Channel had purchased in 2013.

With this move, IBM will transform the U.S. weather sector, leaving its smaller competitors, such as AccuWeather and Earth Networks, in the dust when it comes to computing power, human capital and customers. It will also leave The Weather Channel itself in an uncertain position, stripped of its more valuable online companion in weather.com.

This purchase means that the most popular consumer-facing weather apps on the market today will be IBM products, since both Weather Underground and The Weather Company operate their own suite of apps that have consistently led the market...


Mashable/Andrew Freedman
Quoting 289. ScottGridley:



THANK GOD!
I agree I have read the blog for years but have rarely commented.
Quoting 297. BaltimoreBrian:

From comment #149 "Wu does not own the PWS data, so how can they sell it?"

Actually they do. From the TOS page

"All data derived from the 'Personal Weather Station' Network, is unique and proprietary to WUI"

I already knew that, but there's an old principle in business: "When the service is free, you are the product"
Brian, Duh. Wu cannot "own" station data unless they own the station. The PWS station owner can opt to cut the cord, and Oops, no more data.

Ps. Of course, there are other options like paying station owners to keep their data onboard.
Quoting 298. beell:

...Clearly, it's for the data...

...Assuming the deal is approved and completed, IBM will absorb The Weather Company's business-to-business, mobile and cloud computing properties, including weather.com - the most popular weather site out there - along with Weather Underground, which the Weather Channel had purchased in 2013.

With this move, IBM will transform the U.S. weather sector, leaving its smaller competitors, such as AccuWeather and Earth Networks, in the dust when it comes to computing power, human capital and customers. It will also leave The Weather Channel itself in an uncertain position, stripped of its more valuable online companion in weather.com.

This purchase means that the most popular consumer-facing weather apps on the market today will be IBM products, since both Weather Underground and The Weather Company operate their own suite of apps that have consistently led the market...


Mashable/Andrew Freedman
So when will someone rationalize the apps? Meaning, choose which stay and which go.
Any updates on the toxic waste that was released in colorado river near Durango.Going on vacation there in the summer,news media has been silent.Will it be cleaned up i know the navajo nation was suing the federal government because it had impact on their lands.
Quoting 303. help4u:

Any updates on the toxic waste that was released in colorado river near Durango.Going on vacation there in the summer,news media has been silent.Will it be cleaned up i know the navajo nation was suing the federal government because it had impact on their lands.
There have been reports this week detailing how the EPA failed to follow containment procedures, but I have seen nothing recently about the condition of the river itself.
If you go back one letter from IBM, you get HAL
Thanks Baltimore Brian
Was IBM the reason I couldn't get on the website yesterday?

And as pertaining to the blog I couldn't access, we've been under a coastal flood advisory for like a week straight. Full moon tonight too.
Barefoot, when you join the Personal weather station network, WUI owns the data you contribute. It's explicit in the TOS, and it's standard procedure for businesses dependent on user-contributed data and content. If you agree to join the the network, WUI owns the data shared from the PWS. Nothing nefarious, that's just the way it is.
But I wonder why IBM didn't purchase The Weather Channel TV Channel. Leaving them in the dry
Quoting 307. win1gamegiantsplease:

Was IBM the reason I couldn't get on the website yesterday?

And as pertaining to the blog I couldn't access, we've been under a coastal flood advisory for like a week straight. Full moon tonight too.
The full moon was Monday night (edit--early Tuesday morning), but because of orbital mechanics, the moon stays close to full longer this month than any other month.

As I type this, it's still 96.4% full, and that's close enough for me.
(edited)
Quoting 308. BaltimoreBrian:

Barefoot, when you join the Personal weather station network, WUI owns the data you contribute. It's explicit in the TOS, and it's standard procedure for businesses dependent on user-contributed data and content. If you agree to join the the network, WUI owns the data shared from the PWS. Nothing nefarious, that's just the way it is.
Good for archived data, maybe, but not current data if the owner takes the station off line.

uhm... any data that the PWS owner WILLFULLY DOWNLOADS TO WU becomes the property of WU. I mean, sure I could go back and erase five years of data from MY computer, but WU'S already got it, and they can sell it or do whatever they want with it.

There's lotsa software packages out there that are made WU-friendly. I mean, software you can buy and install that will automatically upload your WX data to an easy-to-read format here on WU. Now, WU keeps that data forever. But, you don't HAVE to give your data to WU; it's just that most folks like the format they provide.

Who knows what the future holds- but I bet there'll be PLENTY of smartphone compatible little plug-ins in lots of Christmas stockings this year.
"..the most popular weather site out there - along with Weather Underground, which the Weather Channel had purchased in 2013."

Somebody go on twitter and tell Andrew Freedman he needs a fact checker. Nevermind. I will.
Regarding high tides, November 14, 2016 could be a day to watch. The moon will be 1,936 km closer to the earth than it was on the full moon Tuesday morning. The Earth will also be 742,000 km closer to the sun than it was with the most recent full moon. The gravitational pulls will be 2.1% greater than on Monday night/Tuesday morning and very close to the theoretical maximum. South Carolina and Georgia had very high tides without a strong storm--anyplace with a strong storm on November 14, 2016 could face very nasty tidal flooding.
317. beell
Quoting 302. bappit:

So when will someone rationalize the apps? Meaning, choose which stay and which go.


Who knows? Maybe it does not matter right now. Data is data. From a completely random look around the web, most of the focus on big data has been on the hardware and the software to analyze the huge amounts of data with something less than stellar results in products (there are exceptions, of course).

The ball is in Big Blue's court.

In tomorrows world, your forecast will come from the assimilation of tweets and facebook posts! I suppose models will still play a small role.
I said in my comment "WUI owns the data shared from the PWS."

And now really...
Quoting 305. BaltimoreBrian:

If you go back one letter from IBM, you get HAL
"KUBRICK: By the way, just to show you how interpretation can sometimes be bewildering: A cryptographer went to see the film, and he said, "Oh. I get it. Each letter of HAL's name is one letter ahead of IBM. The H is one letter in front of I, the A is one letter in front of B, and the L is one letter in front of M." Now this is a pure coincidence, because HAL's name is an acronym of heuristic and algorithmic, the two methods of computer programming...an almost inconceivable coincidence. It would have taken a cryptographer to have noticed that. (The Making of 2001: A Space Odyssey, Eye Magazine Interview, Modern Library, pp. 249)"

as quoted in imdb FAQ on 2001, A Space Odyssey

(spelling correction)
Quoting 318. BaltimoreBrian:

I said in my comment "WUI owns the data shared from the PWS."

And now really...

Of course you did. (Please see 312.)
And I found the origin of the IBM/HAL comment you made, so we're even. Right?
lpl

Ps. The full moon did not happen on Monday in Baltimore, but at 6:05 a.m. Tuesday.
Quoting 317. beell:



Who knows? Maybe it does not matter right now. Data is data. From a completely random look around the web, most of the focus on big data has been on the hardware and the software to analyze the huge amounts of data with something less than stellar results in products (there are exceptions, of course).

The ball is in Big Blue's court.

In tomorrows world, your forecast will come from the assimilation of tweets and facebook posts! I suppose models will still play a small role.
Yes, it was just a Captain Obvious question. It's the wait and see time when you know something is going to happen and you get all antsy waiting. Of course, people on this blog never experience anything like that. :)
Quoting 321. bappit:

Yes, it was just a Captain Obvious question. It's the wait and see time when you know something is going to happen and you get all antsy waiting. Of course, people on this blog never experience anything like that. :)
Who, we?

Quoting 322. BaltimoreBrian:

Data is data
And IBM's (what do they call that HAL-spawn?) AI is being fed every tweet posted on the face of the Earth. Most interesting...

Ps. Watson!!
Quoting 324. Barefootontherocks:

And IBM's (what do they call that HAL-spawn?) AI is being fed every tweet posted on the face of the Earth. Most interesting...


So it will be a self absorbed, confused on fact, shallow machine of great calculations based on human musings? May surmise that the Kim K's of the world are what's really important, discount AGW, and communicate at a fifth grade level. Probably will favor Trump.
Thank you WXColorado. That's the nicest thing anyone's said to me here for a very long time.
Quoting 325. DeepSeaRising:



So it will be a self absorbed, confused on fact, shallow machine of great calculations based on human musings? May surmise that the Kim K's of the world are what's really important, discount AGW, and communicate at a fifth grade level. Probably will favor Trump.
Not really. :)
Lots of facts on Twitter, depending who you opt to "follow." Lots of good weather info to start with. You can learn a lot on Twitter, about many subjects. For instance, I monitor the Iditarod and USGS and various NWS official tweets and some of the unofficial tweets from mets -and a few friends from wu. I also follow others like stormchasers and mets from TWC, but I mostly keep them on mute. Just depends what's going on. Twitter's a swift way to communicate. Considering Watson is (or soon will be) fed everything posted at Twitter, that AI will grow a big head fast.
Quoting 327. Barefootontherocks:

Not really. :)
Lots of facts on Twitter, depending who you opt to "follow." Lots of good weather info to start with. You can learn a lot on Twitter, about many subjects. For instance, I monitor the Iditarod and USGS and various NWS official tweets and some of the unofficial tweets from mets -and a few friends from wu. I also follow others like stormchasers and mets from TWC, but I mostly keep them on mute. Just depends what's going on. Twitter's a swift way to communicate. Considering Watson is (or soon will be) fed everything posted at Twitter, that AI will grow a big head fast.


What will it surmise from all that data? And more importantly, if all this data is being added, surely the government will have a first look at much of it. Fusion camps will be working overtime on data from all this.
Quoting 309. Andrebrooks:

But I wonder why IBM didn't purchase The Weather Channel TV Channel. Leaving them in the dry
Andre, Seems IBM's after data to feed their hungry AI Watson. Also they are into mobile apps and the mobile device airwaves. Both weather.com and wu have these. TV doesn't seem to be IBM's game.

Could be TWC is better off separate of the rest.
Quoting 328. DeepSeaRising:



What will it surmise from all that data? And more importantly, if all this data is being added, surely the government will have a first look at much of it. Fusion camps will be working overtime on data from all this.
LOL. Good question.

Doubt Twitter worldwide data is the U.S. government's data to look at, except as necessary to protect its public, or as they read it in public on the net. Seems IBM could sell assimilations of data to governments, just as it does to corporate entities. Maybe they already do. Twitter posts are just out there on the net, like aqua says, "willfully" posted. And Twitter has sold its contents as feed for HAL Watson.

Big Brother may not be watching you. But IBM's AI Watson is.

Lots of food for thought today, spawned by the coming wu corporate changes. Good Night.
When IBM buys you, it's a sign you've arrived. Best cutting edge tech for weather breakdown and some great brains to go with it at WU. IBM and WU, that's a great combination that should lead to some eye opening advances in forecasting.

Quoting 326. BaltimoreBrian:

Thank you WXColorado. That's the nicest thing anyone's said to me here for a very long time.
yeah, I've been following your linkages for years, sometimes (back when you could do more than 5 links), I'd spend an evening digging through them, unfortunately I haven't really had the time to winnow them out in the first place.
Quoting 333. WXColorado:
yeah, I've been following your linkages for years, sometimes (back when you could do more than 5 links), I'd spend an evening digging through them, unfortunately I haven't really had the time to winnow them out in the first place.
My lists are just as long as ever in my blog, you're more than welcome to visit.
Quoting 329. Barefootontherocks:

Andre, Seems IBM's after data to feed their hungry AI Watson. Also they are into mobile apps and the mobile device airwaves. Both weather.com and wu have these. TV doesn't seem to be IBM's game.

Could be TWC is better off separate of the rest.
But I sure don't want them with NBC anymore. They ruined TWC.
Quoting 328. DeepSeaRising:



What will it surmise from all that data? And more importantly, if all this data is being added, surely the government will have a first look at much of it. Fusion camps will be working overtime on data from all this.


I see why this comment was hidden. We must balance all this data with personal freedoms. We can not dilute our constitution with technology that strips people from their right to privacy. We've blurred freedom to be you with this modern day tech that records everything for the eyes of the powers that be. Americans will accept it. We are well trained sheep.
DeepSeaRising, your comment #328 was not hidden from me.
Quoting 337. BaltimoreBrian:

DeepSeaRising, your comment #328 was not hidden from me.


See some are saying your the second best thing to happen to WU. :) You add a lot. Your list has given me a door to information I'd of otherwise not found. Really appreciate what you add Brian.
Quoting 338. DeepSeaRising:



See some are saying your the second best thing to happen to WU. :) You add a lot. Your list has given me a door to information I'd of otherwise not found. Really appreciate what you add Brian.
Just don't hurt and fight each other.
Quoting 339. Andrebrooks:

Just don't hurt and fight each other.


We reserve that for Tuesdays. I'll be flying out Tuesday morning Brian. Be ready. After school, by the swing set and monkey bars. I'll be sending my double, I know you have military training. :)
Really an American bad ass, but with age one finds that the ability to handle situations through violence is a sign of weakness and comes with consequences. A wise man is slow to anger and uses violence as a very last resort. Now if only I had known that when I was younger.
Quoting 330. Barefootontherocks:

LOL. Good question.

Doubt Twitter worldwide data is the U.S. government's data to look at, except as necessary to protect its public, or as they read it in public on the net. Seems IBM could sell assimilations of data to governments, just as it does to corporate entities. Maybe they already do. Twitter posts are just out there on the net, like aqua says, "willfully" posted. And Twitter has sold its contents as feed for HAL Watson.

Big Brother may not be watching you. But IBM's AI Watson is.

Lots of food for thought today, spawned by the coming wu corporate changes. Good Night.


Personally I'm not really a fan of the push for AI. I like them in science fiction, but, I don't see the need for us to go beyond simply expanding computing power. The danger of robotics taking increasing amounts of human jobs, as well as whether conscious AI is possible, and what kind of dangers that could implicate, are two major reasons we should fight for AI to not exist. The cons to me greatly outweigh the pros.

But it seems technology, no matter what kind, is mankind's biggest addiction, so no matter the dangers, AI in it's most dangerous possibilities for society will probably come to fruition. And, similarly to every other current technology today, it will probably become trendy and embraced even if the dangers become grave, in the same way that we've become phone addicts to the point of risking or lives and others lives for the sake of the impulse to respond to a text immediately while driving, leading to injury and death at times. Even though texting was invented to delay response if one is busy at the moment.
Quoting 317. beell:



Who knows? Maybe it does not matter right now. Data is data. From a completely random look around the web, most of the focus on big data has been on the hardware and the software to analyze the huge amounts of data with something less than stellar results in products (there are exceptions, of course).

The ball is in Big Blue's court.

In tomorrows world, your forecast will come from the assimilation of tweets and facebook posts! I suppose models will still play a small role.


The mind gunk of twitter and fb will never outpace physical calculations of models. We just simply increase the data put into forecast models and continue tweaking the physics as we've always done. So far it's worked very well.
Quoting 331. DeepSeaRising:

When IBM buys you, it's a sign you've arrived. Best cutting edge tech for weather breakdown and some great brains to go with it at WU. IBM and WU, that's a great combination that should lead to some eye opening advances in forecasting.
I find it all a bit dubious. TWC will take the money and run. Not sure what IBM really gets from it. There is a lot of meteorological data, but it has a lot of autocorrelation in it. It is highly redundant data.
Quoting 345. bappit:

I find it all a bit dubious. TWC will take the money and run. Not sure what IBM really gets from it. There is a lot of meteorological data, but it has a lot of autocorrelation in it. It is highly redundant data.


That's a great point. What do they really get from this? Nothing new under the sun that the NWS doesn't already have and input to their decisions. WU is cutting edge in forecasting technology in a lot of ways. I have hope they'll parlay that into something great.
Quoting 293. Jedkins01:

I'm studying for an atmospheric physics exam, and deriving equations 1000 times over is more peaceful than the blog right now, lol.
Quoting 346. DeepSeaRising:



That's a great point. What do they really get from this? Nothing new under the sun that the NWS doesn't already have and input to their decisions. WU is cutting edge in forecasting technology in a lot of ways. I have hope they'll parlay that into something great.
They get the data and draw of 30,000 personal weather stations. It's unique data, not available to anyone outside WU/TWC in the aggregate. With every one of those stations, the owner is identified right down to the street address. The challenge for IBM is to expand the PWS numbers while not cranking off those that are already here.
Quoting 297. BaltimoreBrian:

From comment #149 "Wu does not own the PWS data, so how can they sell it?"

Actually they do. From the TOS page

"All data derived from the 'Personal Weather Station' Network, is unique and proprietary to WUI"

I already knew that, but there's an old principle in business: "When the service is free, you are the product"
And this is exactly the reason I no longer have a PWS on WU. Anyone who puts a PWS here is giving away more personal data than any other place on the web, with sole exception of credit cards. Not only are we giving away weather data, it's also personal data about us. Once I read their TOS, I deleted my station as quickly as I could. Should have read it before I signed up, but WU and now IBM count on the fact no one does.
Have a Good Night Peeps, Fall settling here, no 90's for 2 weeks at my place, WU is forecasting a chance of a 91 this Saturday here. Time will tell, then it downhill from there....

Channel 5 isn't as generous with their forecast.
Quoting 266. barbamz:

212. barbamz
This comment has been removed for violating the Community Standards.

Boy. Was this the comment showing how refugees will suffer due to upcoming grim winter weather??? I don't get it. Never happened with posts like this before. Signs for upcoming changes? I'm out now. It's anyway late in Germany. Good night everyone.
I read that whole thread before it was deleted. As I recall, there was one comment (not yours) I'd call insensitive. It did not border anywhere near "hate speech" as I understand it. Since the deletions happened considerably later than the comments, I can only surmise someone in management read them and wanted them removed. There's now going to an IBM standard for what constitutes "hate speech", and it's obviously different than what we've had in the past.
Quoting 351. PedleyCA:

Have a Good Night Peeps, Fall settling here, no 90's for 2 weeks at my place, WU is forecasting a chance of a 91 this Saturday here. Time will tell, then it downhill from there....
GN, Ped. Should be nice here the next two days, then we might have some thunderstorms hit about the same time as the trick or treaters. If that happens, I may have enough candy to last until next Halloween. :-)
Quoting 349. sar2401:

They get the data and draw of 30,000 personal weather stations. It's unique data, not available to anyone outside WU/TWC in the aggregate. With every one of those stations, the owner is identified right down to the street address. The challenge for IBM is to expand the PWS numbers while not cranking off those that are already here.


Great point. Clears that picture up for me.
Will IBM be able to turn this WU blog into a vessel to reach the masses? If so, they may reach a whole new base to serve. I've got ideas IBM/WU and I have great need and IQ to bring to the table. Put me in the game.
Sorry for the pandering, just a dad at the bottom, trying to get my family to a better tomorrow.
India Meteorological Department
Tropical Cyclone Advisory #4
CYCLONIC STORM CHAPALA (ARB04-2015)
8:30 AM IST October 29 2015
=============================

At 3:00 AM UTC, The Cyclonic storm Chapala over east central and adjoining areas of west central & south Arabian Sea moved northwestwards with a speed of about 10 km/h during past 6 hours and now lays centered over east central and adjoining west central & south Arabian Sea near 13.8N 64.2E, about 1090 km southwest of Mumbai and about 1140 km east southeast of Salalah (Oman).

It would move northwestwards during next 6 hours and then move westwards towards Yemen and adjoining Oman coasts. It would intensify into a severe cyclonic storm during next 24 hour sand into a very severe cyclonic storm in subsequent 12 hours.

3 minute sustained winds near the center is 35 knots with gusts of 45 knots. The estimated central pressure of the tropical cyclone is 1000 hPa. The state of the sea is high around the center of the system.

Forecast and Intensity
================
9 HRS 14.2N 63.6E - 45-50 knots (Cyclonic Storm)
21 HRS 14.4N 62.6E - 55-60 knots (Severe Cyclonic Storm)
45 HRS 14.7N 60.3E - 70-75 knots (Very Severe Cyclonic Storm)
69 HRS 15.0N 57.7E - 85-90 knots (Very Severe Cyclonic Storm)
India Meteorological Department
Satellite Bulletin Description
11:30 AM IST October 29 2015
=====================

Vortex (CHAPALA) over central Arabian Sea has further intensified centered near 13.9N 63.7E

Dvorak Intensity T3.0
Joint Typhoon Warning Center Advanced Dvorak Technique
2015OCT29 063000 4.4 983.1 74.6 4.4 4.2 5.1 0.5T/hour OFF OFF 1.74 -52.62 EYE

declaring an eye scene

290600Z --- NEAR 13.8N 63.8E
MOVEMENT PAST SIX HOURS - 310 DEGREES AT 05 KTS
POSITION ACCURATE TO WITHIN 020 NM
POSITION BASED ON CENTER LOCATED BY SATELLITE
PRESENT WIND DISTRIBUTION:
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 055 KT, GUSTS 070 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 035 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
035 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
030 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
030 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 060 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
045 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
045 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
060 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
Quoting 353. sar2401:

I read that whole thread before it was deleted. As I recall, there was one comment (not yours) I'd call insensitive. It did not border anywhere near "hate speech" as I understand it. Since the deletions happened considerably later than the comments, I can only surmise someone in management read them and wanted them removed. There's now going to an IBM standard for what constitutes "hate speech", and it's obviously different than what we've had in the past.

Interesting theory that adjudicators have overlords!
Can this be the beginning of an Orwellian scenario which leads to predictive thought police? If so then all thinking must have a duality of surface and deeper meaning, a sort of cryptic comment may become the norm.
In this day and age with computers overseeing things then it may be possible to closely examine things because of key words. Hence discover counter key words and always ensure they are present even though they may have no meaning or significance.

Time to start to consider what almost infinite resource's can do to for prediction of weather and how to remove errors before they can cause too much damage.
A look into the scenarios of rapid intensification must be on the cards for the near future as its one of the main things which catches people unprepared, and especially in the area of tornado predictions.
Quoting 238. ILwthrfan:


Pretty good outflow, certainly appears stronger than 35 knots...
I would tend to think as this draws near Oman and Yemen that it would begin ingesting large amounts of dry air, I could see a cat 1/2, but has a 3 or greater ever made landfall on that coastline?


Now showing as a cat 4!

(deleted, was OT)
Does anyone know the IBM view on anthropomorphic global climate change?

Did anyone have reason to care until now?

Is it likely that WUG will become just another barbican defending denial of the reality unfolding before our eyes?
366. beell
Quoting 344. Jedkins01:



The mind gunk of twitter and fb will never outpace physical calculations of models. We just simply increase the data put into forecast models and continue tweaking the physics as we've always done. So far it's worked very well.


I agree with you, Jed. The post was only half-serious. In addition to weather data, IBM gains access to the likes and dislike, trends, shopping habits, location, etc of billions of connected consumers. The cynical side of me (the other side is sarcasm!) assumes this purchase is not totally driven by making the world a better place. No surprise there.
:)

As one small example, there is some work being done in the health field with big data-by taking a backwards look at millions of patients's life-long medical records and correlating that with the onset of cancers, diabetes, etc. It may be possible to sift through all of this and develop predictors that lead to cures/prevention (also underpinned by data). The healthcare and life insurance business may save a buck or two as a result.

Maybe similar techniques could be used to develop the perfect weather analog for your house for any given hour of the day. The sky's the limit!

"Just one word..."
Another day to try to dry out in west central Louisiana before the next deluge begins. I think the ponds on the playgrounds are destined to become lakes as I'm not so sure they'll dry out in time. Feast or famine for rain in Louisiana.

Breakfast's on the sideboard: Andouille sausage and shrimp scramble, creamed chipped beef over biscuits, Breakfast Grain Salad with Blueberries, Hazelnuts & Lemon, cranberry coffee cake, Apple pie bites (apple slice wrapped in a croissant), broccoli & cheddar omelet, brown sugar oatmeal, Cheese Danishes, Tea, Regular and decaf coffee with flavored creamers to the side. Enjoy!
wall street? ibm is on a downward spiral. look at their chart! down forty dollars over the past few months. there are alot of grumbling mad stock owners a/t/m. this is especially bad since many of ibm competitor's stocks recently are on a up and up. unless the stock ibm gets going some of their ceo heads going to roll.
Quoting 364. panzerfaust:

Does anyone know the IBM view on anthropomorphic global climate change?




That it exists, that a lot needs to be done about it, that IBM messages this and works at it.
Google 'IBM climate change' for some material.
Good morning.

Arabian Sea cyclone 'Chapala' to become 'extremely severe' in strength
Hindu Business Line, Oct 29


Saved current loop. Source.

In the Mediterranean a decent cut-off low is currently causing flooding in Tuscany/Italy and farther south and east (Adriatic coast):





No rain of course for Mid Germany. I barely remember when we last got some measurable drops. Very weird this year. BBL, have a nice morning everyone.


28.10.2015: The driest place in the world is a sight to behold. Chile’s Atacama Desert is in bloom for the first time in 12 years following massive downpours earlier in the year linked to the “Godzilla El Niño” warming.
Youtube-Video with better quality here.
375. beell
Welcome back, barb!
another shark attack this time a boy got bit makaha bch oahu. there is some speculation that the uptick in attacks this yr are related to all the hurricanes that moved nearby. they churned up the usually clear water and tiger sharks love murky water. humans seem to be on sharks menu of recent.
Link

i dont see how to get a category 4 storm with so much dry air in the path
Quoting 364. panzerfaust:

Does anyone know the IBM view on anthropomorphic global climate change?

Did anyone have reason to care until now?

Is it likely that WUG will become just another barbican defending denial of the reality unfolding before our eyes?



Minor correction: It's anthropogenic climate change. Anthropogenic means caused or induced by humans or human related activities. Anthropomorphic is giving/assigning human attributes to an object ("You make climate change sad when you eat pancakes").

As amusing as I find the idea of anthropomorphic climate change, you'd be hard pressed to scientifically establish that the climate has human-like emotions/personality. ;)
some turning tw 35w
Quoting 366. beell:



I agree with you, Jed. The post was only half-serious. In addition to weather data, IBM gains access to the likes and dislike, trends, shopping habits, location, etc of billions of connected consumers. The cynical side of me (the other side is sarcasm!) assumes this purchase is not totally driven by making the world a better place. No surprise there.
:)

As one small example, there is some work being done in the health field with big data-by taking a backwards look at millions of patients's life-long medical records and correlating that with the onset of cancers, diabetes, etc. It may be possible to sift through all of this and develop predictors that lead to cures/prevention (also underpinned by data). The healthcare and life insurance business may save a buck or two as a result.

Maybe similar techniques could be used to develop the perfect weather analog for your house for any given hour of the day. The sky's the limit!

"Just one word..."


Watson can't really be applied that way. It's an inference engine, not a physics engine. It can do a historical analysis and maybe even find some non-obvious correlations between some parameters that might possibly improve forecasting, but it can't make a forecast. Or rather, it could try to make a forecast but it would fail miserably.

Watson isn't "smart" enough to infer the physical relationships in a non-deterministic system with emergent behavior. It can certainly analyze the data and tell you a lot of things about the data, but it can't come up with the next GFS model.
Quoting 377. Claudette1234:

Link

i dont see how to get a category 4 storm with so much dry air in the path

end of run GFS..lower right hand corner............................................ ..........
385. beell
Thanks for the comment, Xyrus. All good points-and I feel smarter because of it!
:)

Model performance is demonstrably better with better data assimilation. Perhaps Watson's contribution will improve that ability.
Please add thick, creamy grits with cheddar to the menu. Thank you.

Quoting 368. aislinnpaps:

Another day to try to dry out in west central Louisiana before the next deluge begins. I think the ponds on the playgrounds are destined to become lakes as I'm not so sure they'll dry out in time. Feast or famine for rain in Louisiana.

Breakfast's on the sideboard: Andouille sausage and shrimp scramble, creamed chipped beef over biscuits, Breakfast Grain Salad with Blueberries, Hazelnuts & Lemon, cranberry coffee cake, Apple pie bites (apple slice wrapped in a croissant), broccoli & cheddar omelet, brown sugar oatmeal, Cheese Danishes, Tea, Regular and decaf coffee with flavored creamers to the side. Enjoy!
Quoting 364. panzerfaust:

Does anyone know the IBM view on anthropomorphic global climate change?

Did anyone have reason to care until now?

Is it likely that WUG will become just another barbican defending denial of the reality unfolding before our eyes?



IBM's statement and actions are of a company that accepts the reality of human cause climate change. It has already been posted in the comments.
NW Florida finally saw some good rains and luckily they didn't all come at once. Rains started on Sunday morning and ended on Tuesday night, total at my house for the 3 day period was 6 inches of much needed rain. Looks like we won't have to wait another month for rain like last time either. Forecast calls for 60% chance of rain Saturday night, 80% Sunday and 60% on Monday!
Quoting 322. BaltimoreBrian:

Data is data


Link
Quoting 216. Neapolitan:

I'm going to go out on a limb and predict there'll be no first-week-of-November Snowmageddon-type event affecting the eastern 2/3 of the US this year:




Oh, puh-lease. I hate it when it's above average. Where is the snow?
Quoting 341. DeepSeaRising:

Really an American bad ass, but with age one finds that the ability to handle situations through violence is a sign of weakness and comes with consequences. A wise man is slow to anger and uses violence as a very last resort. Now if only I had known that when I was younger.


"Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent." Isaac Asimov in the Foundation Trilogy

393. SLU
Quoting 391. 62901IL:



Oh, puh-lease. I hate it when it's above average. Where is the snow?


November 11 1987 DC metro 18" in southern and eastern suburbs. Forecast was for a trace.


Quoting 392. georgevandenberghe:



"Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent." Isaac Asimov in the Foundation Trilogy




Dahrendorf would disagree. :)
there are good articles in fortune and the wall street journal on the opportunites afforded by IBM by the acquisition of the weather company...unfortunately there's no mention of how the blogs fit into it and i cannot find out how many unique visits WU receives to their blogs and am left to wonder how viable the blogs are to advertising revenues seeing that the blogs do not fit into the reasoning for IBM's purchase
Quoting 391. 62901IL:



Oh, puh-lease. I hate it when it's above average. Where is the snow?


Illinois typically sees below average precipitation, and much below average snow along with above average temperatures climatology during a winter El Nino event.
Is Watson the new HAL...
Quoting 393. SLU:




cv season is re-open!!!
Quoting 377. Claudette1234:

Link

i dont see how to get a category 4 storm with so much dry air in the path
Yep..Getting almost all its energy from the directly from the ocean..


Quoting 378. Grothar:




That's quite a robust wave out there for the end of Oct. I haven't looked at a satellite in that region in awhile. Been focusing on conus and then I saw the TC probability map you posted. Said "huh". :) BTW, how ya been Gro?


Quoting 403. GatorWX:



That's quite a robust wave out there for the end of Oct. I haven't looked at a satellite in that region in awhile. Been focusing on conus and then I saw the TC probability map you posted. Said "huh". :) BTW, how ya been Gro?





Doing great, Gator, and you? As long as there is a blob out there, I keep watching. Strange weather year, isn't it?
Quoting 396. ricderr:

there are good articles in fortune and the wall street journal on the opportunites afforded by IBM by the acquisition of the weather company...unfortunately there's no mention of how the blogs fit into it and i cannot find out how many unique visits WU receives to their blogs and am left to wonder how viable the blogs are to advertising revenues seeing that the blogs do not fit into the reasoning for IBM's purchase



No large corporation spends billions for the betterment of the average person The corporation number one priority is to make money for the shareholders. The study of weather and all sciences have become all about money as mega corporations contribute but also want something in return. We all need to understand one major aspect of science, that they are all owned by big money. It is impossible to separate science from politics as they both are one.
Quoting 404. Grothar:



Doing great, Gator, and you? As long as there is a blob out there, I keep watching. Strange weather year, isn't it?


I'm doing good. Kind of a tumultuous 10 months, but most problems have a way of finding resolution and it wasn't all bad. Been more of a lurker lately. Strange indeed. I've been thinking this the past three years. Seems that big pool of warm water out there in the Pacific has done much to influence change and it hasn't taken place just since el nino was declared. We're all aware of those anomalies that have been in place out there for so long now. The pool near southern AK and off southern CA/Baja are what I'm referring to. Yeah, where'd my afternoon seabreeze tstms go? Overall, been absent on the west coast of FL for past three summers.
Quoting 396. ricderr:

there are good articles in fortune and the wall street journal on the opportunites afforded by IBM by the acquisition of the weather company...unfortunately there's no mention of how the blogs fit into it and i cannot find out how many unique visits WU receives to their blogs and am left to wonder how viable the blogs are to advertising revenues seeing that the blogs do not fit into the reasoning for IBM's purchase

Good morning Ric..WU will only enhance IBM's reputation on AGW and other human environmental impacts. So I would bet advertisement adds can be expected.
410. JRRP
Quoting 408. JRRP:

nice rotation there

Hurricane Chapala:



Seems to be increasing in size and has really good outflow. That will help it moisten the air ahead, so dry air shouldn't be a threat at the moment. Currently just 5-10kts of shear affecting the system, SSTs of 30-31C and plenty of moist air surrounding it. Perfect conditions for rapid intensification of the storm. Could become one of the strongest storms recorded in the Arabian Sea and possibly the strongest to make landfall in Yemen. Very dangerous situation, hopefully damage and loss of life will be minimal.
Quoting 406. GatorWX:



I'm doing good. Kind of a tumultuous 10 months, but most problems have a way of finding resolution and it wasn't all bad. Been more of a lurker lately. Strange indeed. I've been thinking this the past three years. Seems that big pool of warm water out there in the Pacific has done much to influence change and it hasn't taken place just since el nino was declared. We're all aware of those anomalies that have been in place out there for so long now. The pool near southern AK and off southern CA/Baja are what I'm referring to. Yeah, where'd my afternoon seabreeze tstms go? Overall, been absent on the west coast of FL for past three summers.


Bob Henson did an excellent blog on them. I don't recall ever seeing anything that large and consistent out there.

Quoting 405. frank727:


No large corporation spends billions for the betterment of the average person The corporation number one priority is to make money for the shareholders.
Geberally speaking, this is true.
Quoting 405. frank727:


The study of weather and all sciences have become all about money as mega corporations contribute but also want something in return.
You're assuming the "study of weather and all science" is financed by corporations. That's not true. In fact, more than half of all credible scientific studies are underwritten by the government and/or universities.
Quoting 405. frank727:


We all need to understand one major aspect of science, that they are all owned by big money.
Again, patently untrue.
Quoting 405. frank727:


It is impossible to separate science from politics as they both are one.
No, they're not. Sure, there are some political types who'd have you believe that as a way of besmirching scientific studies and those who perform them so they might better server their fossil fuel master. But--again--untrue.
Quoting 405. frank727:



No large corporation spends billions for the betterment of the average person The corporation number one priority is to make money for the shareholders. The study of weather and all sciences have become all about money as mega corporations contribute but also want something in return. We all need to understand one major aspect of science, that they are all owned by big money. It is impossible to separate science from politics as they both are one.


Very true. And, as long as science gets politicians the votes, they will embrace it. If it didn't, they wouldn't even talk about it.

Like the science that in recent years has shown that a fetus truly is a life and feels pain soon after conception: it is rejected by the left, but embraced by the right. Why? It gets votes.

Similarly, the science of AGW is evident but is rejected by the right, but embraced by the left. Why? it gets votes.
Quoting 414. fmbill:

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Similarly, the science of AGW is evident but is rejected by the right, but embraced by the left. Why? it gets votes.


There is a wealth of literature on political motivations of climate change science rejection. I have contributed to it myself. One of the main factors that create the political divide is economic ideology. Proposed policy solutions require government intervention, the right generally disagrees with this at a fundamental level and therefore are reluctant to accept the problem is real. This is called motivated reasoning.
Quoting 411. Envoirment:

Hurricane Chapala:



Seems to be increasing in size and has really good outflow. That will help it moisten the air ahead, so dry air shouldn't be a threat at the moment. Currently just 5-10kts of shear affecting the system, SSTs of 30-31C and plenty of moist air surrounding it. Perfect conditions for rapid intensification of the storm. Could become one of the strongest storms recorded in the Arabian Sea and possibly the strongest to make landfall in Yemen. Very dangerous situation, hopefully damage and loss of life will be minimal.



there not call hurricanes back there they are called Cyclone
Quoting 412. Grothar:



Bob Henson did an excellent blog on them. I don't recall ever seeing anything that large and consistent out there.




I know. Especially in the northern Pacific.
JeffMasters has created a new entry.
Quoting 413. Neapolitan:

Geberally speaking, this is true.You're assuming the "study of weather and all science" is financed by corporations. That's not true. In fact, more than half of all credible scientific studies are underwritten by the government and/or universities.Again, patently untrue. No, they're not. Sure, there are some political types who'd have you believe that as a way of besmirching scientific studies and those who perform them so they might better server their fossil fuel master. But--again--untrue.


Where do you think these universities get there money, from large corporations. These corporations not only want a tax exchange but sway these universities way of reporting scientific data. It has come down to where our Government Implements Illegal “Gag Order” On National Weather Service And NOAA Employees.

http://www.peer.org/news/news-releases/weather-se rvice-employees-tethered-by-illegal-gag-orders.htm l
Quoting 342. Jedkins01:



Personally I'm not really a fan of the push for AI. I like them in science fiction, but, I don't see the need for us to go beyond simply expanding computing power. The danger of robotics taking increasing amounts of human jobs, as well as whether conscious AI is possible, and what kind of dangers that could implicate, are two major reasons we should fight for AI to not exist. The cons to me greatly outweigh the pros.

But it seems technology, no matter what kind, is mankind's biggest addiction, so no matter the dangers, AI in it's most dangerous possibilities for society will probably come to fruition. And, similarly to every other current technology today, it will probably become trendy and embraced even if the dangers become grave, in the same way that we've become phone addicts to the point of risking or lives and others lives for the sake of the impulse to respond to a text immediately while driving, leading to injury and death at times. Even though texting was invented to delay response if one is busy at the moment.
Jed, Thanks for being real.
The past ten years here, I've watched you grow into an articulate and uniquely aware adult. I take you as evidence there are some young people on this Earth who think and grow and don't just go along with the crowd. There's a lot of years between our ages. just the same, I think along these same lines as you about AI.

I have to tell a little story. A woman I knew on San Juan Island who lived just short of her 105th birthday and was a granddaughter of a Scandinavian "pioneer" who'd settled on the island in the late 1850s, on her 101st birthday, to her grandaughter(a Boomer) and me, said something I'll never forget... "I've seen a lot of changes in my life, but you will see much more change than I have."

I remember thinking, how in the world could that be? She had lived from the horse and buggy era into the age of computers and cell phones. Yeah, I remember seeing TV news of the first satellite launch, but how in the world will I see more change than she had?

Enter Watson. And it's only just begun.
:)

Yes, the wu world is being rocked by IBM's purchase of wunderground, WSI et al. The real world will be rocked even more. Thanks again, Jed, for expressing your thoughts here. Best wishes.

(More of my thoughts from yesterday and future thoughts on Watson posted in my wu blog comments.)
422. MahFL
Quoting 403. GatorWX:



That's quite a robust wave out there for the end of Oct.


30kts of shear means nothing will form tropically from that wave.
Quoting 379. Xyrus2000:



Minor correction: It's anthropogenic climate change. Anthropogenic means caused or induced by humans or human related activities. Anthropomorphic is giving/assigning human attributes to an object ("You make climate change sad when you eat pancakes").

As amusing as I find the idea of anthropomorphic climate change, you'd be hard pressed to scientifically establish that the climate has human-like emotions/personality. ;)
Hello, Xyrus. True, the climate has no emotion/human-like behavior and characteristics because Climate is a product of weather/nature. Once you watch enough hurricanes and tornadoes, you see weather is anthropomorphic. So is nature.

The AI surge will incorporate more than science. AI will show correlations along those lines, not just with weather but with other creations of nature. At this point humans will begin to think AI is off its rocker. As you probably know, anthropomorphic thinking is considered by some to be evidence of insanity. Watson et al will prove that theory wrong. Possibly the most positive side to AI is the ability to look at far more facets at once than humans, with their biased thinking, are willing to look at.

Add: 11:30 a.m. Ahhhh. I'm gettin it. The plot thickens.
Quoting 420. frank727:



Where do you think these universities get there money, from large corporations. These corporations not only want a tax exchange but sway these universities way of reporting scientific data. It has come down to where our Government Implements Illegal “Gag Order” On National Weather Service And NOAA Employees.

http://www.peer.org/news/news-releases/weather-se rvice-employees-tethered-by-illegal-gag-orders.htm l


Oh man, I hope you follow this to its logically flawed conclusion in which you deNY all scientific evidence of everything and ignore the very process by which we create science protects it from the potential biases that exist. It looks like you are a full blown conspiracist.
Quoting 410. JRRP:





Hi, may I know how do you access to the rapidscat data? Thanks.
Quoting 397. ILwthrfan:



Illinois typically sees below average precipitation, and much below average snow along with above average temperatures climatology during a winter El Nino event.
But I hear the Persimmon seeds are spoons, at least near StL. Have to check mine next time out at the farm :) How much precip did you get? We were in a drier slot, but ended up w/ .8".
Quoting 403. GatorWX:



That's quite a robust wave out there for the end of Oct. I haven't looked at a satellite in that region in awhile. Been focusing on conus and then I saw the TC probability map you posted. Said "huh". :) BTW, how ya been Gro?



Thanks God we have our blobs specialist.Stay there Gro,keep watching it for us.
YAAY!!! Good bye Weather Channel....Best of luck to IBM