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Two-day U.S. Tornado Outbreak Kills at Least 29 People; More Tornadoes Expected Today

By: Dr. Jeff Masters, 2:13 PM GMT on April 29, 2014

A swarm of deadly and devastating tornadoes ripped through the Southeast U.S. on Monday, killing at least 13 people, bringing the two-day death toll from this week’s tornado outbreak to at least 29. Hardest hit were Mississippi and Alabama, which lay in the bullseye of the High Risk” area for severe weather issued by NOAA’s Storm Prediction Center early that afternoon. It was the second consecutive day a “High Risk” outlook had been issued by SPC, and the threat of strong and deadly tornadoes continues again on Tuesday, with a “Moderate Risk” of severe weather expected over Alabama and Mississippi. The tornado activity in Mississippi and Alabama on Monday was remarkably violent and long-lasting; Alabama’s first tornado warning was issued at 12:37 pm CDT, and the last was nearly sixteen hours later, at 4:20 am (thanks to wunderground member sar2401 in Alabama for this info.) Mississippi suffered the highest death toll on Monday, with eight killed. Three people died in Alabama, including a University of Alabama swimmer who died saving his girlfriend from a collapsing building. Two other people died in Lincoln County, Tennessee, near the border with Alabama. In all, for the 24-hour period beginning at 8 am Monday, SPC logged 64 preliminary tornado reports from five states, along with 135 reports of damaging winds and 49 reports of hail. An additional 33 preliminary tornado reports came on Sunday, bringing the two-day preliminary tornado total to 97. Hardest hit on Sunday was Arkansas, where fifteen people died in tornadoes. Mayflower and Vilonia, Arkansas, located about fifteen miles northwest and north of Little Rock, had ten people killed by a tornado that has been preliminarily rated as at least an EF-3 by the National Weather Service. Sunday tornadoes also killed one person in Iowa and one in Oklahoma.


Figure 1. Tornado damage in Tupelo, Mississippi, pictured Monday evening. (J. Robert Senseman)


Figure 2. Radar reflectivity image of the supercell thunderstorm that hit Tupelo, Mississippi at 19:39 UTC (3:39 pm EDT) on April 28, 2014. Tupelo’s position is denoted by the circle with a “+“ in it, and lies next to a hook-shaped echo commonly seen in strong tornadoes. The Tupelo tornado killed one person in a car, and was preliminarily rated an EF-2 with winds of 111 - 135 mph. Radar data showed that this tornado lofted debris 35,000 feet into the air.


Figure 3. Doppler velocity image of the supercell thunderstorm that hit Tupelo, Mississippi. Note the clump of green colors lying right next to orange and red colors near Tupelo, showing that winds moving both towards the radar and away from the radar were located in close proximity to each other—the signature of a rotating mesocyclone in a severe thunderstorm capable of spawning a strong tornado.


Figure 4. Severe weather outlook for Tuesday, April 29, 2014, as issued on Tueday by NOAA's Storm Prediction Center.

Tornado and severe weather outbreak continues on Tuesday and Wednesday
The strong, slow-moving low pressure system that brought this weekend’s deadly tornadoes will spawn spawn more supercell thunderstorms capable of generating large hail, damaging winds, and a few strong tornadoes on Tuesday. NOAA's Storm Prediction Center (SPC) has issued their "Moderate Risk" forecast of severe weather over much of Mississippi and Alabama for Tuesday, with a wide swath of the Eastern half of the U.S. under a “Slight Risk” of severe weather. The set-up for getting strong tornadoes does not appear to be as dangerous today as it was on Monday, and I don’t think we will see as many tornadoes. The upper-level winds over the Southeast U.S. will not be as strong, leading to less wind shear available to get tornadoes spinning. Still, instability will be very high, and I do expect we will see a few strong EF-3 tornadoes in Mississippi and Alabama. The risk of severe weather will diminish considerably on Wednesday, but most of the Southeast U.S. will be still be in SPC’s “Slight Risk” region for severe weather. The severe threat will finally end Thursday morning as the cold front responsible moves off the coast.


Video 1. This animation of NOAA's GOES-East satellite data shows the development and movement of the weather system that spawned tornadoes affecting seven central and southern U.S. states on April 27-28, 2014. Credit: NASA/NOAA GOES Project


Video 2. Scott Peake's close-up intercept of the strong-violent Louisville, MS tornado on April 28, 2014.

New Wunderground Tornado Infographics
Weather Underground has just released two new tornado infographics. Share these with your friends living in at-risk areas for tornadoes:

Tornadoes Cities and Interstates: http://www.wunderground.com/weather-infographics/tornadoes/

Tornado Safety: http://www.wunderground.com/weather-infographics/tornado-safety/



In the tornado safety infographic, we recommend driving away from a tornado rather than parking your vehicle beneath a freeway overpass. Keep in mind that a vehicle is one of the worst places you can be in a tornado, as the tornado's winds can easily roll a car. (The only place less safe is probably a mobile home, as a tornado's winds can roll mobile homes almost as readily, and mobile homes don't come with seat belts and air bags.) If you are located in a metro area and don't have an underground shelter, the best thing to do it to take shelter in an interior windowless room or hallway, with protective furniture over your body. Getting in a car and attempting to flee the tornado is the worst thing you can do in an urban area. You may not be able to see the tornado if it is dark or the tornado is wrapped in rain. You are likely to encounter hazardous winds, rain, and hail, run into unexpected traffic, or flooded or debris-blocked roads that will put you directly in the path of the tornado. Even without an underground shelter, most people will be able to survive a dangerous EF-4 tornado. Sometimes it is better to abandon your vehicle and take shelter in a ditch, if you are caught in a car during a tornado. However, if there is already flying debris in the air, leaving your car and exposing yourself to the debris in order to get to a ditch may be more hazardous than staying in your car. Furthermore, ditches are prone to flash floods. A 2002 research paper, "UNSAFE AT ANY (WIND) SPEED? Testing the Stability of Motor Vehicles in Severe Winds" found that: "The stability and superior safety of being in a vehicle in severe winds, relative to occupying a mobile home or being outdoors, should be considered." Also, TWC's severe weather expert, Dr. Greg Forbes, commented on the pros and cons of abandoning one's vehicle for a ditch in a 2009 blog post, "Tornado Safety - Cars Versus Ditches: A Controversy." His personal take on what he would do if his car was being overtaken by a tornado, and no sturdy buildings were nearby to take shelter in: "I can't see myself getting out of the vehicle. I'd try first to drive away from the tornado. Both the NWS and the American Red Cross actually also advocate this. If you can determine which way the tornado is moving toward, face your body toward that direction and then go to the right. That is usually toward the south or southeast. The reason that it's best to head this way is that if you went to the left you would normally get into the region where largest hail and blinding rain occur in the kind of supercell, rotating thunderstorms that often spawn tornadoes. If I had no such driving option and I did feel the urge to get out of my car, I'd try to get into a building, and into a ditch well away from the car as the last resort."

Disaster Relief Donations Needed
The devastation from this week’s tornadoes have brought a need for donations for disaster relief. The Portlight.org disaster relief charity, founded by members of the wunderground community, is supporting the efforts of a group of local volunteers in Arkansas doing search and rescue, and needs donations. Portlight volunteers are working in tornado-hit towns to clear debris and help with other clean-up efforts. This team will also be visiting shelters and reaching out to survivors with disabilities to determine their immediate needs, whether for replacement of durable medical equipment and ramps, or for assistance with shelter and transportation issues. The Red Cross is also a great place to send your donation dollars.

Jeff Masters

Tornado

The views of the author are his/her own and do not necessarily represent the position of The Weather Company or its parent, IBM.

Reader Comments

BMX is bound and determined they aren't going to issue a severe on this one. This is over reaction to under warning. A sig won't set off most weather radio. Bad thing at this time of night.

SPECIAL WEATHER STATEMENT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BIRMINGHAM AL
1137 PM CDT TUE APR 29 2014

ALZ050-300515-
BARBOUR AL-
1137 PM CDT TUE APR 29 2014

...SIGNIFICANT WEATHER ADVISORY FOR BARBOUR COUNTY UNTIL 1215 AM
CDT...

AT 1137 PM CDT...THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE WAS TRACKING STRONG
THUNDERSTORMS ALONG A LINE EXTENDING FROM ARITON TO 16 MILES SOUTH OF
BLUE SPRINGS STATE PARK...AND MOVING NORTHEAST AT 25 MPH.

WIND GUSTS UP TO 50 MPH ARE POSSIBLE IN AND NEAR THESE STORMS.

LOCATIONS IN OR NEAR THE PATH OF THESE STORMS INCLUDE...
CLIO...
EUFAULA...
DOSTER...
BLUE SPRINGS STATE PARK...
TYLER CROSSROADS...
Louisville, MS. High-end EF4 damage. Rating still preliminary.

Quoting csmda:
I thought I was gonna be in the clear but now I don't know... I might fall asleep before I find out.

Unfortunately, you aren't in the clear. All my storms are coming from you. The Ft Rucker radar is going nuts, dropping every other frame. I hope it didn't get damaged by this cell. It passed very near to the tower.
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
Louisville, MS. High-end EF4 damage. Rating still preliminary.


Dang...

Hey, can you look at the warned storm in Dale County AL, just to the southwest of Eufaula and tell me what you think about it and the cells downstream?

EDIT: Phew, looks like it's weakened some and I now longer see rotation. Should be here in about 19 minutes.
Holy cannoli! Been looking at the storm totals for you folks in coastal MS/AL/FL. Saw Taco's and Jed's posts about storm totals. That is a LOT of water. Been looking at some newscasts, twitter feeds, etc. Not a good time to be out and about.

Stay high and dry and keep those pirogues handy!
506. csmda
Thunder is almost non stop and wind is still crazy but no heavy rain yet. Not extremely loud thunder, just continuous.
507. csmda
There's the rain... Time for bed. Stay safe everyone!
Quoting 504. sar2401:


Dang...

Hey, can you look at the warned storm in Dale County AL, just to the southwest of Eufaula and tell me what you think about it and the cells downstream?

Looks like mainly a damaging wind threat with the warned cell. Otherwise, a life-threatening flooding situation is currently ongoing across southern Alabama and the Florida Panhandle, and an abundance of tropical rainfall will only make the situation worse.
FLASH FLOOD WARNING
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE TALLAHASSEE FL
1215 AM CDT WED APR 30 2014

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN TALLAHASSEE HAS ISSUED A

* FLASH FLOOD WARNING FOR...
SOUTHERN WALTON COUNTY IN THE PANHANDLE OF FLORIDA...
THIS INCLUDES THE CITY OF SANTA ROSA BEACH...

* UNTIL 615 AM CDT

* AT 1211 AM CDT...RADAR DETECTED STRONG THUNDERSTORMS PRODUCING
EXTREMELY HEAVY RAIN MOVING INTO PORTIONS OF SOUTHERN WALTON
COUNTY. RAINFALL RATES OF 2 TO 5 INCHES PER HOUR ARE LIKELY...AND
SEVERAL INCHES OF RAIN ARE LIKELY TO FALL IN A SHORT AMOUNT OF
TIME. THIS MAY BECOME A PARTICULARLY DANGEROUS FLASH FLOOD EVENT.

* LOCATIONS IN THE WARNING INCLUDE BUT ARE NOT LIMITED TO SHADY
GROVE...ROCK HILL...RED BAY...PORTLAND...PLEASANT RIDGE...NEW
HOME...KNOX HILL...FREEPORT...EUCHEEANNA AND DOUGLASS CROSSROAD.
Quoting 506. csmda:

Thunder is almost non stop and wind is still crazy but no heavy rain yet. Not extremely loud thunder, just continuous.

Got it bad here in Niceville, FL. The rain was coming down so hard it was a roar you could here from inside the house. Lightning was horrendous, with multiple strikes right close by, and some quite gusty winds (wind though weren't as bad as the lightning and rain).
Quoting 499. sar2401:


I'd be amazed if there was no hail somewhere. It's hard to get hail there because even tall storms are usually too warm but these are down around -20 c. Oops...46 mph gust just took down another third of the pear tree, At least it's symmetrical now. :-) This is just outflow wind. The cell is till about 20 miles away. Getting intense lighting as well as wind but rain hasn't really picked up yet. Looks like another cell right behind this one, and one forming behind that one. First storm is entering cone of silence as it passes Ft Rucker radar so I'm not sure if it still has rotation. No warning at all from Birmingham. Must be on break.

These cells are ingesting very tropical, warm, high PWAT air, large hail is not as common with torrential cloud burst rain events, as ice growth is limited and most of it melts on the way down, hence the insane rainfall rates. What we are seeing here is warm process rain taking place under strong meso scale low level convergence and impressive upper forcing, which is why these cells look like they would drop large hail but they aren't.

I don't think I've seen something this ridiculous before from a non-tropical system. Heavy totals yes, but the rainfall rates are just insane, this convection is definitely taking on warm processes, the same as in tropical cyclones.

"this convection is definitely taking on warm processes, the same as in tropical cyclones."

Probably has a lot to do with the fact that we're a day away from entering the month of May, and water temperatures in the Gulf have naturally escalated to more climatologically warm levels relative to the winter/early spring.
0530 65 DE FUNIAK SPRINGS WALTON FL 3072 8612 SPOTTER ESTIMATED GUSTS OF 60 TO 70 MPH IN THE DE FUNIAK SPRINGS AREA WITH DIME SIZE HAIL. (TAE)
New tornado warning

BULLETIN - EAS ACTIVATION REQUESTED
TORNADO WARNING
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE TALLAHASSEE FL
1247 AM CDT WED APR 30 2014

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN TALLAHASSEE HAS ISSUED A

* TORNADO WARNING FOR...
EAST CENTRAL WALTON COUNTY IN THE PANHANDLE OF FLORIDA...
SOUTHWEST AND CENTRAL WASHINGTON COUNTY IN THE
PANHANDLE OF FLORIDA...
THIS INCLUDES THE CITY OF VERNON...

* UNTIL 115 AM CDT

* AT 1242 AM CDT...A DEVELOPING TORNADO HAS BEEN DETECTED BY THE
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE 22 MILES SOUTHWEST OF VERNON...OR 13 MILES
NORTHEAST OF SANTA ROSA BEACH...MOVING EAST AT 45 MPH.

* OTHER LOCATIONS IN THE WARNING INCLUDE BUT ARE NOT LIMITED TO
BRUCE...RED HEAD...LIVE OAK...MILLERS FERRY...NEW HOPE...HOLMES
VALLEY...RIVERSIDE...GREENHEAD...SMYRNA AND SYLVANIA.
Quoting 512. KoritheMan:

"this convection is definitely taking on warm processes, the same as in tropical cyclones."

Probably has a lot to do with the fact that we're a day away from entering the month of May, and water temperatures in the Gulf have naturally escalated to more climatologically warm levels relative to the winter/early spring.


Yep, gulf water temps have really surged up in the last couple weeks, especially the coastal waters, I think it was part of what allowed for the severe outbreak. Water temps went from cool to much warmer over a couple weeks prior to the 2011 outbreak as well.
Quoting 514. sar2401:

New tornado warning

BULLETIN - EAS ACTIVATION REQUESTED
TORNADO WARNING
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE TALLAHASSEE FL
1247 AM CDT WED APR 30 2014

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN TALLAHASSEE HAS ISSUED A

* TORNADO WARNING FOR...
EAST CENTRAL WALTON COUNTY IN THE PANHANDLE OF FLORIDA...
SOUTHWEST AND CENTRAL WASHINGTON COUNTY IN THE
PANHANDLE OF FLORIDA...
THIS INCLUDES THE CITY OF VERNON...

* UNTIL 115 AM CDT

* AT 1242 AM CDT...A DEVELOPING TORNADO HAS BEEN DETECTED BY THE
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE 22 MILES SOUTHWEST OF VERNON...OR 13 MILES
NORTHEAST OF SANTA ROSA BEACH...MOVING EAST AT 45 MPH.

* OTHER LOCATIONS IN THE WARNING INCLUDE BUT ARE NOT LIMITED TO
BRUCE...RED HEAD...LIVE OAK...MILLERS FERRY...NEW HOPE...HOLMES
VALLEY...RIVERSIDE...GREENHEAD...SMYRNA AND SYLVANIA.


Thunderstorms are really starting to take on more severe modes now. Given that the old MCS has decayed a long time ago, these thunderstorms are beginning to get worse again. We may be dealing with quite a storm around here in Tallahassee in the AM if these hold together which they seem like they will. I can already see a crapload of lightning from way over here. Those thunderstorms are very very deep.
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

Looks like mainly a damaging wind threat with the warned cell. Otherwise, a life-threatening flooding situation is currently ongoing across southern Alabama and the Florida Panhandle, and an abundance of tropical rainfall will only make the situation worse.

Thanks, TA. Substation next block over took a direct strike with a big transformer fire. No power, of course, so I'm on the phone. Cell weakened dramatically just before it hit Eufaula...except for the lightning. Crap, ground stikes probably every 20-30 seconds, and sheet lightning that was turning off the photocells in the streetlights when we still had power. Highes gust with the strom ws only 26 mph, but we had a rain rate around 5 in/per hour for a couple f munutes. Got .97 inches in about 20 minutes. Storm is moving off to NE into GA. Can't believe we are getting this again and more coming.
Quoting Jedkins01:


Thunderstorms are really starting to take on more severe modes now. Given that the old MCS has decayed a long time ago, these thunderstorms are beginning to get worse again. We may be dealing with quite a storm around here in Tallahassee in the AM if these hold together which they seem like they will. I can already see a crapload of lightning from way over here. Those thunderstorms are very very deep.

Looks like tops are down just a bit, from 50k to 45-47k, VIL still nuts, 55-70. Looks like a direct feed from beaches to me now but starting to drift east so Tally may be up in a couple of hours. Best lightning (except for the transformer thing) I've ever seen outside a trop strom. My typing sks on this little keyboard.
Quoting Jedkins01:
0530 65 DE FUNIAK SPRINGS WALTON FL 3072 8612 SPOTTER ESTIMATED GUSTS OF 60 TO 70 MPH IN THE DE FUNIAK SPRINGS AREA WITH DIME SIZE HAIL. (TAE)

There had to be some hail somewhere, even with the usal warm process. just too cold tops not to have some of it make to the grround. No hail from my first cell at all.
Quoting opal92nwf:

Got it bad here in Niceville, FL. The rain was coming down so hard it was a roar you could here from inside the house. Lightning was horrendous, with multiple strikes right close by, and some quite gusty winds (wind though weren't as bad as the lightning and rain).

Smambch...rain rate of 8.52 in/p hr right now. .44 in in 5 min. Crazy.
Quoting Jedkins01:


Thunderstorms are really starting to take on more severe modes now. Given that the old MCS has decayed a long time ago, these thunderstorms are beginning to get worse again. We may be dealing with quite a storm around here in Tallahassee in the AM if these hold together which they seem like they will. I can already see a crapload of lightning from way over here. Those thunderstorms are very very deep.


13.13" is the April record for Tallahassee. 10.18" so far this month. This could be it.

This year is only the second time both March and April had double-digit rainfall totals.
Quoting 519. sar2401:


There had to be some hail somewhere, even with the usal warm process. just too cold tops not to have some of it make to the grround. No hail from my first cell at all.



Well if the atmosphere gets warm enough with depth it doesn't matter how cold the cloud tops are, I've never heard of hail in hurricanes but hurricanes will produce the most insanely tall convective tops that are colder than anything I've seen otherwise.

In this case, the thunderstorms are taking on a tropical-like mode. But temps are still pretty chilly in the mid levels, so yes some hail would seem reasonable. In a true purely warm rain environment you would need even deeper warm air with height, in that case you get less lightning like in a warm core. Although hurricane eyewalls can occasionally break that rule by have lightning outbreaks. The main reason for the lack of lightning in tropical systems is the lack of steep lapse rates and basically no CAPE from overworking of atmosphere.

Hurricane eyewalls sometimes can overcome this problem as sometimes much faster updrafts can occur with very intense hurricanes or with weaker ones that are rapidly intensifying.

There is video footage of insane amounts of lightning taking place in the approaching eyewall of hurricane Andrew. Katina and Rita also had very frequent lightning over the gulf as they went through RI.
Quoting BaltimoreBrian:


13.13" is the April record for Tallahassee. 10.18" so far this month. This could be it.

This year is only the second time both March and April had double-digit rainfall totals.

WQowsers. Rain finally slowing down until next cell gets here. They aren't losing any water on the trip up. Up to 1.76, go 1" in 22 min. this brings total for Apr to 11.27, old record 10.16. no drought in AL. :-)
Quoting 521. BaltimoreBrian:



13.13" is the April record for Tallahassee. 10.18" so far this month. This could be it.

This year is only the second time both March and April had double-digit rainfall totals.


Yeah its been quite the year here so far rain wise, it has become common to get these big 2-4 inch rain events. We had over 1.5 yesterday, we'll see if we can break a record from these highly efficient rain makers if they hold together.

I love getting this amount of rain, the only downside is mosquitoes, gnats and other flying bugs are having population explosions here right now when you consider the really high rain amounts and that we were cool for a while and now have surged above normal and have been warmer than overage mostly every day by several degrees over the past week or so.

Hard to believe this isn't a tropical system.


Its dumped nearly 18 inches of rain in Pensacola and that total precipitation is increasing producing catastrophic flash flooding across the Florida Panhandle






And the sinkholes



A state of emergency has been declared for Escambia County, Florida.
Only good news so far is that there's been no confirmed deaths!
Quoting 525. KalainH:


Hard to believe this isn't a tropical system.


Its dumped nearly 18 inches of rain in Pensacola and that total precipitation is increasing producing catastrophic flash flooding across the Florida Panhandle






And the sinkholes



A state of emergency has been declared for Escambia County, Florida.
Only good news so far is that there's been no confirmed deaths!


That is unbelievable, historic rainfall event, even though you live in an area used to heavy rain, over 5 inches in one hour and a total well over 10 inches now will cause severe flooding anywhere.
Reports of 16 to 20 inches of rain according to radar in some areas ..
I have a friend in Pensacola. Large city as it is, it might be a wise idea to check up on him before all is said and done, no?
Damm over 15" of rain so far in Pensacola with some areas nearing 20".
Quoting 525. KalainH:

Hard to believe this isn't a tropical system.


Its dumped nearly 18 inches of rain in Pensacola and that total precipitation is increasing producing catastrophic flash flooding across the Florida Panhandle






And the sinkholes



A state of emergency has been declared for Escambia County, Florida.
Only good news so far is that there's been no confirmed deaths!


Over 30" at your location so far this month!!!
Quoting 528. KoritheMan:
I have a friend in Pensacola. Large city as it is, it might be a wise idea to check up on him before all is said and done, no?


The whole freaking city of Pensacola is starting to flood now.
Quoting KalainH:

Hard to believe this isn't a tropical system.


Its dumped nearly 18 inches of rain in Pensacola and that total precipitation is increasing producing catastrophic flash flooding across the Florida Panhandle






And the sinkholes



A state of emergency has been declared for Escambia County, Florida.
Only good news so far is that there's been no confirmed deaths!



Unfortunately, that doesn't appear to be true, unless you have a later report. :-(

Location: ESCAMBIA COUNTY CANTONMENT
Time: 2014-04-30 03:10 UTC
Event: FLASH FLOOD
Source: FIRE DEPT/RESCUE
Remark: *** 1 FATAL *** CONFIRMED FATALITY DROWNING VICTIM IN SUBMERGED VEHICLE ON HWY 29 NEAR CHEMSTRAND. TIME ESTIMATED.
Quoting KalainH:

Hard to believe this isn't a tropical system.


Its dumped nearly 18 inches of rain in Pensacola and that total precipitation is increasing producing catastrophic flash flooding across the Florida Panhandle






And the sinkholes



A state of emergency has been declared for Escambia County, Florida.
Only good news so far is that there's been no confirmed deaths!


sO THAT'S 17.70 IN THE LAST 24 HRS? uNBELIEVABLE. Don't even see that in hurricanes. Sorry for bad typing on ,y phone. Like Jed, histgoric event. I want to know how I went from nice gentle rain to this in an hour. totally weird. Still lightning but line is moving east toward you Jed pretty quick. I'm hoping to be out of this in an hour and it's be your baby after this.
Quoting KoritheMan:
I have a friend in Pensacola. Large city as it is, it might be a wise idea to check up on him before all is said and done, no?

Yeah, I'm sire he.she would like to hear from U.
This is going to be up there with TS Allison that hit Houston.
Jed is about to get hammered.
Quoting 532. sar2401:



Unfortunately, that doesn't appear to be true, unless you have a later report. :-(

Location: ESCAMBIA COUNTY CANTONMENT
Time: 2014-04-30 03:10 UTC
Event: FLASH FLOOD
Source: FIRE DEPT/RESCUE
Remark: *** 1 FATAL *** CONFIRMED FATALITY DROWNING VICTIM IN SUBMERGED VEHICLE ON HWY 29 NEAR CHEMSTRAND. TIME ESTIMATED.


and its still raining 1-2 inches an hour still!
Quoting StormTrackerScott:


The whole freaking city of Pensacola is starting to flood now.

I wouldn't go tat far but there's a lot of serious flooding from MObile all the way east toward PC and FWB. Unbelievable rainfall totals. record rain for Pens is 18" for whole month. Looks like some places got that in the last 8 hrs.
BULLETIN - EAS ACTIVATION REQUESTED
TORNADO WARNING
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE TALLAHASSEE FL
153 AM CDT WED APR 30 2014

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN TALLAHASSEE HAS ISSUED A

* TORNADO WARNING FOR...
NORTHWESTERN JACKSON COUNTY IN THE PANHANDLE OF FLORIDA...
SOUTH CENTRAL HOUSTON COUNTY IN SOUTHEAST ALABAMA...
THIS INCLUDES THE CITY OF COTTONWOOD...

* UNTIL 230 AM CDT

* AT 151 AM CDT...THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE WAS TRACKING A TORNADO
13 MILES SOUTHWEST OF COTTONWOOD...OR 11 MILES NORTH OF CHIPLEY...
MOVING NORTHEAST AT 35 MPH. THIS TORNADO WAS CONFIRMED BY DOPPLER
RADAR. SEEK SHELTER IMMEDIATELY!

* OTHER LOCATIONS IN THE WARNING INCLUDE BUT ARE NOT LIMITED TO
BROWNTOWN...CAMPBELLTON...ELLAVILLE...GARRETTS CROSSROADS...
MADRID...HODGESVILLE...SEALY SPRINGS...KEYTONS...GRANGEBURG...
WILSON MILL AND LOVETOWN.
Crap! This thing now has fingers all the way out into Gulf. Secondary line forming from Mobiel NE to Greenville headee NE. Totnado waning now into AL about 50 miles south of me. First line is moving east qwuick now but secondary line will be here in an hour. 0205 CDT. I can't believe I'm still up and this is happening again.
Quoting 538. sar2401:


I wouldn't go tat far but there's a lot of serious flooding from MObile all the way east toward PC and FWB. Unbelievable rainfall totals. record rain for Pens is 18" for whole month. Looks like some places got that in the last 8 hrs.


it seems like Scott likes to exaggerate, based on what ive seen before. So take what he says as being a little overdramatic.
Quoting 540. sar2401:

Crap! This thing now has fingers all the way out into Gulf. Secondary line forming from Mobiel NE to Greenville headee NE. Totnado waning now into AL about 50 miles south of me. First line is moving east qwuick now but secondary line will be here in an hour. 0205 CDT. I can't believe I'm still up and this is happening again.


ALC069-FLC063-300730-
/O.CON.KTAE.TO.W.0011.000000T0000Z-140430T0730Z/
HOUSTON AL-JACKSON FL-
203 AM CDT WED APR 30 2014

...A TORNADO WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 230 AM CDT FOR
NORTHWESTERN JACKSON AND SOUTH CENTRAL HOUSTON COUNTIES...

AT 200 AM CDT...WEATHER SERVICE DOPPLER RADAR CONFIRMED A TORNADO.
THIS TORNADO WAS LOCATED NEAR ELLAVILLE...OR 8 MILES SOUTH OF
COTTONWOOD...MOVING NORTHEAST AT 35 MPH.

THIS IS A DANGEROUS SITUATION! SEEK SHELTER IMMEDIATELY!

OTHER LOCATIONS IN THE WARNING INCLUDE BUT ARE NOT LIMITED TO
GARRETTS CROSSROADS...MADRID...SEALY SPRINGS...GRANGEBURG...
HODGESVILLE...KEYTONS AND LOVETOWN
Quoting 541. nwobilderburg:


it seems like Scott likes to exaggerate, based on what ive seen before. So take what he says as being a little overdramatic.



LOL. Not true and yes most of Pensacola is flooding right now from the reports I've seen.

From the NWS not me. I get pissed on here listening to some of these fools. Get your facts straight before you post something like this.

ONGOING!! MAJOR FLASH FLOOD & RIVER FLOODING EVENT ACROSS COASTAL COUNTIES
Quoting LAbonbon:



Thanks, LA. I'm on my phone so i can only post text. Casn you see the secodary line starting up around Greenville? Main line now looks like has a good bow right along GA/LA line into panhandle and it's headed over to Tally, no doubt about that.
I don't know wat the hell is happening. Looks like bigger STW overlaying tornado warning.

EVERE WEATHER STATEMENT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE TALLAHASSEE FL
215 AM CDT WED APR 30 2014

ALC061-069-FLC005-013-063-133-300730-
/O.CON.KTAE.SV.W.0060.000000T0000Z-140430T0730Z/
GENEVA AL-HOUSTON AL-CALHOUN FL-JACKSON FL-WASHINGTON FL-BAY FL-
215 AM CDT WED APR 30 2014

...A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 230 AM CDT
FOR SOUTHERN HOUSTON AND EXTREME SOUTHEASTERN GENEVA COUNTIES IN
SOUTHEAST ALABAMA...AND NORTHEASTERN BAY...EASTERN WASHINGTON...
JACKSON AND NORTHERN CALHOUN COUNTIES IN THE PANHANDLE OF FLORIDA...

AT 209 AM CDT...NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DOPPLER RADAR CONTINUED TO
INDICATE A LINE OF SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS. THESE STORMS WERE LOCATED
ALONG A LINE EXTENDING FROM COTTONWOOD TO MARIANNA TO 16 MILES
SOUTHEAST OF VERNON...MOVING EAST AT 30 MPH.

OTHER LOCATIONS IN THE WARNING INCLUDE BUT ARE NOT LIMITED TO
GREENWOOD...CHIPOLA TERRACE...FOUNTAIN...CHATTAHOOCHEE STATE PARK
...ROCK CREEK...CYPRESS...CHASON...ALTHA AND ALLIANCE
FLASH FLOOD WARNING
ALC003-097-301400-
/O.EXT.KMOB.FF.W.0028.000000T0000Z-140430T1400Z/
/00000.0.ER.000000T0000Z.000000T0000Z.000000T0000 Z.OO/

BULLETIN - EAS ACTIVATION REQUESTED
FLASH FLOOD WARNING
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MOBILE AL
ISSUED BY NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NEW ORLEANS LA
145 AM CDT WED APR 30 2014

...FLASH FLOOD EMERGENCY FOR SOUTHERN AND CENTRAL BALDWIN COUNTY...

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN MOBILE HAS EXTENDED THE

* FLASH FLOOD WARNING FOR...
BALDWIN COUNTY IN SOUTHWEST ALABAMA...
THIS INCLUDES THE CITY OF BAY MINETTE...
MOBILE COUNTY IN SOUTHWEST ALABAMA...
THIS INCLUDES THE CITIES OF...DOWNTOWN MOBILE...DAUPHIN ISLAND...

* UNTIL 900 AM CDT

* AT 131 AM CDT...NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE METEOROLOGISTS DETECTED
FLASH FLOODING FROM A THUNDERSTORMS OVER THE WARNED AREA.

THIS IS A FLASH FLOOD EMERGENCY FOR SOUTHERN AND CENTRAL BALDWIN
COUNTY.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

MOVE TO HIGHER GROUND NOW. THIS IS AN EXTREMELY DANGEROUS AND LIFE
THREATENING SITUATION. DO NOT ATTEMPT TO TRAVEL UNLESS YOU ARE
FLEEING AN AREA SUBJECT TO FLOODING OR UNDER AN EVACUATION ORDER.


DO NOT DRIVE YOUR VEHICLE INTO AREAS WHERE THE WATER COVERS THE
ROADWAY. THE WATER DEPTH MAY BE TOO GREAT TO ALLOW YOUR CAR TO CROSS
SAFELY. MOVE TO HIGHER GROUND.

MOST FLOOD DEATHS OCCUR IN AUTOMOBILES. NEVER DRIVE YOUR VEHICLE INTO
AREAS WHERE THE WATER COVERS THE ROADWAY. FLOOD WATERS ARE USUALLY
DEEPER THAN THEY APPEAR. JUST ONE FOOT OF FLOWING WATER IS POWERFUL
ENOUGH TO SWEEP VEHICLES OFF THE ROAD. WHEN ENCOUNTERING FLOODED
ROADS MAKE THE SMART CHOICE...TURN AROUND...DONT DROWN.

TO REPORT FLOODING...HAVE THE NEAREST LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY RELAY
YOUR REPORT TO THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE FORECAST OFFICE IN
MOBILE.
OK, tornado warning expired, STW over lasrger area replaced. New STW in AL now in the area where the secondary line is developing.

Edit: Thank god tally and Mobile are on top of this so far. These strom are now extending into Birmingham CWA and not a peep.

BULLETIN - EAS ACTIVATION REQUESTED
SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MOBILE AL
ISSUED BY NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NEW ORLEANS LA
214 AM CDT WED APR 30 2014

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN MOBILE HAS ISSUED A

* SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING FOR...
NORTHWESTERN BUTLER COUNTY IN SOUTH CENTRAL ALABAMA...
NORTHERN MONROE COUNTY IN SOUTH CENTRAL ALABAMA...
THIS INCLUDES THE CITY OF MONROEVILLE...
SOUTHEASTERN WILCOX COUNTY IN SOUTH CENTRAL ALABAMA...
THIS INCLUDES THE CITY OF CAMDEN...
EAST CENTRAL CLARKE COUNTY IN SOUTHWEST ALABAMA...

* UNTIL 300 AM CDT

* AT 209 AM CDT...NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE METEOROLOGISTS DETECTED A
SEVERE THUNDERSTORM CAPABLE OF PRODUCING QUARTER SIZE HAIL...AND
DAMAGING WINDS IN EXCESS OF 60 MPH. THIS STORM WAS LOCATED NEAR
FINCHBURG...OR 14 MILES NORTHWEST OF MONROEVILLE...AND MOVING
NORTHEAST AT 60 MPH.

* OTHER LOCATIONS IN THE WARNING INCLUDE BUT ARE NOT LIMITED TO
CHANCE...PETERMAN...KEITH...PACKARDS BEND...FRANKLIN...LOWER PEACH
TREE...TUNNEL SPRINGS...RIVER RIDGE...TINELA...NATCHEZ...HYBART...
COY...SHEPPARD...BELLVIEW...BEATRICE...VREDENBURGH ...CORDUROY
STATION...BUENA VISTA...COAL BLUFF...TURNBULL...CHESTNUT...
TURKESTAN...NADAWAH...ROCKWEST...FATAMA...WATSONVI LLE...
MCWILLIAMS...ESTELLE...CALEDONIA...RUTHVEN...BOYKI N...DARLINGTON...
AWIN...PINE APPLE...ALLENTON...MCBRYDES...ACKERVILLE...MONTERY ...
SNOW HILL AND FURMAN
Quoting 545. sar2401:


Thanks, LA. I'm on my phone so i can only post text. Casn you see the secodary line starting up around Greenville? Main line now looks like has a good bow right along GA/LA line into panhandle and it's headed over to Tally, no doubt about that.


You all are getting a good soaking, that's for sure.

Geez...no new forecast discussion except for aviation update since 3:27 pm yesterday from Birmingham. Looks like warnings for Mobile are being issued out of New Orleans. Is this because of radar failure or did Mobile get flooded out?

EDIT: Something bad wrong IN Mobile Mobile Regional airport is not updating weather obs aand no forecast disacussion since 5:00 p, yesterday. Has anyone heard anything about Mobile NWS? Looks likwe they are only using FB page now.

SEVERE WEATHER STATEMENT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MOBILE AL
ISSUED BY NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NEW ORLEANS LA
224 AM CDT WED APR 30 2014

ALC013-025-099-131-300800-
/O.CON.KMOB.SV.W.0075.000000T0000Z-140430T0800Z/
BUTLER AL-MONROE AL-WILCOX AL-CLARKE AL-
224 AM CDT WED APR 30 2014

...A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 300 AM CDT
FOR CLARKE...WILCOX...MONROE AND BUTLER COUNTIES...

AT 222 AM CDT...NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE METEOROLOGISTS CONTINUED TO
DETECT A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM CAPABLE OF PRODUCING GOLF BALL SIZE
HAIL...AND DAMAGING WINDS IN EXCESS OF 60 MPH. THIS STORM WAS
LOCATED NEAR FRANKLIN...OR 16 MILES NORTH OF MONROEVILLE...MOVING
NORTHEAST AT 60 MPH.

OTHER LOCATIONS IN THE WARNING INCLUDE BUT ARE NOT LIMITED TO
NATCHEZ...HYBART...COY...SHEPPARD...BELLVIEW...BE ATRICE...
VREDENBURGH...CORDUROY STATION...BUENA VISTA...COAL BLUFF...
TURNBULL...CHESTNUT...TURKESTAN...NADAWAH...ROCKW EST...FATAMA...
WATSONVILLE...MCWILLIAMS...CAMDEN...ESTELLE...CAL EDONIA...RUTHVEN...
OAK HILL...DARLINGTON...AWIN...PINE APPLE...ALLENTON...MCBRYDES...
ACKERVILLE...MONTERY...SNOW HILL AND FURMAN


looking pretty potent...couple little rotations out there...
SEVERE WEATHER STATEMENT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MOBILE AL
ISSUED BY NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NEW ORLEANS LA
235 AM CDT WED APR 30 2014

ALC025-300745-
/O.CAN.KMOB.SV.W.0075.000000T0000Z-140430T0800Z/
CLARKE AL-
235 AM CDT WED APR 30 2014

...THE SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING FOR CLARKE COUNTY IS CANCELLED...

LAT...LON 3210 8722 3210 8721 3209 8719 3205 8717
3205 8685 3198 8685 3197 8685 3196 8680
3169 8713 3164 8719 3187 8752 3201 8737
3211 8724
TIME...MOT...LOC 0735Z 223DEG 51KT 3188 8722

$$

ALC013-099-131-300800-
/O.CON.KMOB.SV.W.0075.000000T0000Z-140430T0800Z/
BUTLER AL-MONROE AL-WILCOX AL-
235 AM CDT WED APR 30 2014

...A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 300 AM CDT
FOR WILCOX...MONROE AND BUTLER COUNTIES...

AT 231 AM CDT...A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WAS REPORTED CAPABLE OF
PRODUCING GOLF BALL SIZE HAIL...AND DAMAGING WINDS IN EXCESS OF 60
MPH. THIS STORM WAS LOCATED NEAR CHESTNUT...OR 10 MILES SOUTH OF
CAMDEN...MOVING NORTHEAST AT 60 MPH.

OTHER LOCATIONS IN THE WARNING INCLUDE BUT ARE NOT LIMITED TO
WATSONVILLE...MCWILLIAMS...ESTELLE...CALEDONIA... RUTHVEN...OAK
HILL...DARLINGTON...PINE APPLE...ALLENTON...MCBRYDES...ACKERVILLE...
MONTERY...SNOW HILL AND FURMAN
Thanks for posting the grapics LA and watching. I don't know when I'll get power back and using the phone for more than one radar is going to kill the battery in a coupleof hours. I've got a 12 volt charger in the garage I can get if it ever stops raining. Up to 1.91 now, not much compared to south but I only started with .6 so pretty good rain. Lightng still gong even though storms are movong north and east. Just an unbelievable nght.
And Birmingham finally got back from break...

EDIT: This cell continues to grow at 0308. 42,000 ft top, 56 VIL, 60 dBZ. Astounding.

BULLETIN - IMMEDIATE BROADCAST REQUESTED
SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BIRMINGHAM AL
249 AM CDT WED APR 30 2014

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN BIRMINGHAM HAS ISSUED A

* SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING FOR...
SOUTHWESTERN AUTAUGA COUNTY IN ALABAMA...
SOUTHEASTERN DALLAS COUNTY IN SOUTH CENTRAL ALABAMA...
LOWNDES COUNTY IN SOUTH CENTRAL ALABAMA...

* UNTIL 330 AM CDT

* AT 247 AM CDT...THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE INDICATED A SEVERE
THUNDERSTORM CAPABLE OF PRODUCING QUARTER SIZE HAIL...AND DAMAGING
WINDS IN EXCESS OF 60 MPH. THIS STORM WAS LOCATED NEAR
ACKERVILLE...OR 10 MILES EAST OF CAMDEN...AND MOVING NORTHEAST AT
50 MPH.

* LOCATIONS IMPACTED INCLUDE...
MOSSES...HAYNEVILLE...DALLAS LAKE...BELKNAP...GORDONVILLE...
TYLER...BEECHWOOD AND BENTON.
Quoting 550. sar2401:

Geez...no new forecast discussion except for aviation update since 3:27 pm yesterday from Birmingham. Looks like warnings for Mobile are being issued out of New Orleans. Is this because of radar failure or did Mobile get flooded out?



Don't know, but I've been following their tweets on their webpage. Last tweet - they're reporting 22 in. have fallen in Pensacola in less than 24 hours.

EDIT: corrected to included 'less than'
Oh for cripes sake...every NWS office, after the debacle of April 2011 was supposed to have a back up transmitter and more than one way to access the transmitter. Now it's April 2014 and first Birmingham goes down because of no back up transmitter and now Columus GA, the only station i can get reliiably, is of the air becuas e lightning struck the main phone switch and they have sno back up way to get to the transmitter. Really, who's in charge here? Doesn't anyone ever get fired?

PUBLIC INFORMATION STATEMENT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE PEACHTREE CITY GA
342 AM EDT WED APR 30 2014

...COLUMBUS NWR TRANSMITTER IS OFF THE AIR...

NOAA WEATHER RADIO TRANSMITTER WXM 32 AT COLUMBUS...ON 162.400...
IS OFF THE AIR DUE TO A PHONE LINE OUTAGE. TECHNICIANS HAVE BEEN
NOTIFIED OF THE PROBLEM AND ARE WORKING TO RESTORE THE LINE. WXM 32
PROVIDES SERVICE TO THE GEORGIA COUNTIES OF CHATTAHOOCHEE...HARRIS...
MARION...MUSCOGEE...STEWART...TALBOT...AND WEBSTER...AND THE
ALABAMA COUNTIES OF LEE AND RUSSELL.
Quoting LAbonbon:


Don't know, but I've been following their tweets on their webpage. Last tweet - they're reporting 22 in. have fallen in Pensacola in less than 24 hours.

EDIT: corrected to included 'less than'

Good Lord. I don't know what Pensaola will look like when daylight comes but it sounds like the damage is going to be tremendous. This may be the biggest dollar loss of the whole thing...I don't know, outbreak, system, week long event. Just crazy.
Quoting 557. sar2401:

Oh for cripes sake...every NWS office, after the debacle of April 2011 was supposed to have a back up transmitter and more than one way to access the transmitter. Now it's April 2014 and first Birmingham goes down because of no back up transmitter and now Columus GA, the only station i can get reliiably, is of the air becuas e lightning struck the main phone switch and they have sno back up way to get to the transmitter. Really, who's in charge here? Doesn't anyone ever get fired?

PUBLIC INFORMATION STATEMENT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE PEACHTREE CITY GA
342 AM EDT WED APR 30 2014

...COLUMBUS NWR TRANSMITTER IS OFF THE AIR...

NOAA WEATHER RADIO TRANSMITTER WXM 32 AT COLUMBUS...ON 162.400...
IS OFF THE AIR DUE TO A PHONE LINE OUTAGE. TECHNICIANS HAVE BEEN
NOTIFIED OF THE PROBLEM AND ARE WORKING TO RESTORE THE LINE. WXM 32
PROVIDES SERVICE TO THE GEORGIA COUNTIES OF CHATTAHOOCHEE...HARRIS...
MARION...MUSCOGEE...STEWART...TALBOT...AND WEBSTER...AND THE
ALABAMA COUNTIES OF LEE AND RUSSELL.
mickey mouse and no we send them too Antarctica for the summer
Quoting 558. sar2401:


Good Lord. I don't know what Pensaola will look like when daylight comes but it sounds like the damage is going to be tremendous. This may be the biggest dollar loss of the whole thing...I don't know, outbreak, system, week long event. Just crazy.
getting washed away first light will tell the tale
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
mickey mouse and no we send them too Antarctica for the summer

Morning Keep. Another crazy night. I hope the SPC is watching this. They need a much more aggressive forecast for today if this is happening overnight. As for these radio failures, you're right. Birmingham and Columbus are two critical transmitters, and there were many failures in 2011 because the comm line went down. Now it's still happening. I don't want to hear one more thing about some new program NWS wants until they get this kind of thing fixed. Their main job is to comminicate to their clients in an emegency and, at least down here, they are failing miserably...again. Maybe it's frour hours sleep in the last 42, or sitting here in the dark, but i could bite the head off a nail :-)
TORNADO WARNING
GAC201-300845-
/O.NEW.KTAE.TO.W.0014.140430T0808Z-140430T0845Z/

BULLETIN - EAS ACTIVATION REQUESTED
TORNADO WARNING
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE TALLAHASSEE FL
408 AM EDT WED APR 30 2014

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN TALLAHASSEE HAS ISSUED A

* TORNADO WARNING FOR...
MILLER COUNTY IN SOUTHWEST GEORGIA...
THIS INCLUDES THE CITY OF COLQUITT...

* UNTIL 445 AM EDT

* AT 406 AM EDT...A DEVELOPING TORNADO HAS BEEN DETECTED BY THE
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE 11 MILES SOUTHWEST OF COLQUITT...OR NEAR
DONALSONVILLE...MOVING NORTHEAST AT 30 MPH.

* OTHER LOCATIONS IN THE WARNING INCLUDE BUT ARE NOT LIMITED TO
ENTERPRISE...BOYKIN...BABCOCK...HARMONY CHURCH RD/HWY 45...
JETERVILLE...BELLVIEW AND MACEDONIA.
Quoting LAbonbon:

Looks like another tornado developing just to the south of that one but not warned yet. I'm still getting moderate rain and lightning and more cells are developing downstream again. I never expected all this tonight.
Quoting 564. sar2401:


Looks like another tornado developing just to the south of that one but not warned yet. I'm still getting moderate rain and lightning and more cells are developing downstream again. I never expected all this tonight.


I went to sleep ridiculously early tonight since I was whooped from the last two nights, slept really deep, until the neighbor's dog woke me. So I don't have the perspective you do, as I didn't follow the weather throughout the day. But it seems to have surprised some people.

And what a deluge! Was looking for a news streaming site, but no luck. The photos and a video I've seen of a road turned into a 'river' with white caps tell the tale.

On another note, perhaps you'd benefit from a little shut eye? I felt loads better tonight after several hours of sleep. Hopefully you haven't been mainlining the coffee...
New severe thunderstrom warning for Montgomery and suburbs now. This is the same cell that started south of MOnroeville and has not only stayed together but grown more intense. Now has a VIL of 61 and 61 dBZ...at 0332. Things arenot going to be good once the sun comes out.

BULLETIN - IMMEDIATE BROADCAST REQUESTED
SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BIRMINGHAM AL
328 AM CDT WED APR 30 2014

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN BIRMINGHAM HAS ISSUED A

* SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING FOR...
SOUTHEASTERN AUTAUGA COUNTY IN ALABAMA...
SOUTHWESTERN ELMORE COUNTY IN EAST CENTRAL ALABAMA...
NORTHEASTERN LOWNDES COUNTY IN SOUTH CENTRAL ALABAMA...
NORTHERN MONTGOMERY COUNTY IN SOUTH CENTRAL ALABAMA...

* UNTIL 415 AM CDT

* AT 324 AM CDT...THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE INDICATED A SEVERE
THUNDERSTORM CAPABLE OF PRODUCING QUARTER SIZE HAIL...AND DAMAGING
WINDS IN EXCESS OF 60 MPH. THIS STORM WAS LOCATED NEAR
LOWNDESBORO...OR 8 MILES NORTH OF HAYNEVILLE...AND MOVING NORTHEAST
AT 40 MPH.

* LOCATIONS IMPACTED INCLUDE...
PRATTVILLE...MONTGOMERY...MILLBROOK...WETUMPKA...C ANTELOUS...
AUTAUGA COUNTY AIRPORT...DANNELLY FIELD AND HOPE HULL.
Quoting LAbonbon:


I went to sleep ridiculously early tonight since I was whooped from the last two nights, slept really deep, until the neighbor's dog woke me. So I don't have the perspective you do, as I didn't follow the weather throughout the day. But it seems to have surprised some people.

And what a deluge! Was looking for a news streaming site, but no luck. The photos and a video I've seen of a road turned into a 'river' with white caps tell the tale.

On another note, perhaps you'd benefit from a little shut eye? I felt loads better tonight after several hours of sleep. Hopefully you haven't been mainlining the coffee...

LOL. Not mainling but snorting, that's for sure. I'm still on the Skywarn net on my emergency radio (yu know, like the ones the NWS is supposed to have) and I'm the only net controller down here. They keep issuing more warnings, and I can't (or shouldn't) close down the net until there are no more warnings. The second that happens, I'm turning off the radios and cmputer and heading for the rack. Luckily, back in my search and rescue days, I got used to not sleeping for 36 hours straight on abig search. I can take a nap standing up, leaning against a wall. Seriously. We've only got the one warning for MOntgomery now. I hope, hope, hope they expire it but it's had the nine lives of a cat so far. I'm going to post the Tally discussion. They did a great job explaining this morning and what's up next. Whoever wrote it should get a job at the SPC. Thanks for you conern though. I appreciate it.

Edit: I had to drive two hours each way to a drs appt in Montgomery today (yesterday) or I would have gotten some sleep during the day. I hadn't been following the weather at all until I got back about 6:00, when we got our gentle rain....so much for that idea. :-)
Tallahassee forecast discussion. I think they did a particularly excellent job on this.

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE TALLAHASSEE FL
417 AM EDT Wed Apr 30 2014

...STRONG TO SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS EXPECTED THROUGH TODAY...

...HEAVY RAINFALL WITH AREAS OF FLASH AND RIVERINE FLOODING
EXPECTED AS WELL...

.Near Term [Today]...
During the predawn hours...The large scale mid/upper pattern
remained highly amplified with ridging across west coast and
extreme Wrn Atlc with large full latitude trough dominating Conus.
assocd low over Srn Great Lakes. Increasing upper support came
with E-W sbtrpcl jet nosing down base of trough across Wrn gulf.
At surface...low over OH with cold front SSW across S/Cntrl AL and
into Gulf of Mex moving slowly Ewd. Warm boundary extended from
cold front in LA Sewd into the extreme NE Gulf south of N FL.
Meso high developed across SW GA. Increasing moisture flux and
high cape were advecting Newd ahead of cold front.

Severe storms and tornados developed north of a large outflow
boundary assocd with leading line of a small but intense MCS in
the Nrn Gulf and where low level winds backed to ESE. HP super
cells developed around midnight and trained Ewd along a line in
Walton county just north of this outflow boundary. Tornadoes were
noted in association Wly rear inflow jet and downward momentum
related to precip loading. Satellite showed very cold overshooting
cloud tops in MCS drifting EWD with increasingly tall CBs
advecting Newd under strong moisture flux above otherwise shallow
stable layer and into Sen edge of MCS aiding in cell mergers and
convergence. 30kt SLY low level jet in area providing confluent
flow and strong shear will maintain forward propagating MCS rest
of overnight. Radar showed increasingly impressive lighting plots.
These combinations provided a very favorable environment for
severe thunderstorms...strong winds...tornadoes...and especially
heavy rain and flooding across the Wrn counties of the Panhandle
and SE AL. Flash flood warnings were issued for portions of SE AL
as well as Walton County with rainfall rates of 3 to 5 inches per
hour down to 1 to 2 inches across SE AL/SW GA.

During the rest of today...upper low will move only slowly Newd.
With decreasing upper support...cold front will move ever slowly
Ewd slowing down especially east of the Apalachicola River
reaching the Ern Big Bend after sundown spreading convection
across the area during the day. CAM CAPE/updraft/UH/Graupel
indices all support at least an isold threat of severe wx
including isold tornadoes and max QPF guidance would support
flooding in both cases both specially west of a line from Albany
to Apalachicola as a squall continues to advance from west to
east. Will show sharp 70-40% NW-SE POP gradient. Flash flood watch
remains in place for all but Ern counties into this eve. See
hydrology section for more details. With front lingering over Wrn
counties for much of the day...sharp temp gradient from mid 70s SE
AL to mid 80S SE Big Bend.

.Short Term [Tonight Through Thursday Night]...
The closed mid-upper level slow moving low will finally eject to the
northeast and across the Great Lakes region on Thursday. Even so,
the local area will remain under deep southwest flow. The associated
surface cold front will move into our Ern zones tonight and slowly
push ESE of our CWFA on Thurs. Until then...rain chances will
continue and with saturated grounds..there will be an accompanying
flash flooding threat which is detailed below in the hydrology
section. Will go with 30-60% SW-NE POP gradient tonight...30-50%
NW-SE POP gradient on Thurs and 20-60% Thurs night

.Long Term [Friday Through Tuesday]...
The stubborn surface low that has been stuck over the CONUS for
the past few days finally begins to lift into eastern Canada by
Friday. The associated trailing cold front will finally push
through our area for good bringing with it the chance for showers
on Friday afternoon. Behind the front ridging will settle in
place. Rain chances will be minimal and southerly flow at the end
of the period will bring sticky conditions with high temperatures
in the upper 80s and dewpoints near 60.
Pensacola, Florida, Hit by 'Historic' Flooding

Torrential rainfall and “historic” flooding claimed a life in Florida’s panhandle late Tuesday - the latest fallout from a monster weather system that has killed at least 35 people in six states.

More than 21 inches of rain fell in a 23-hour period in Pensacola, Fla., closing highways and Interstates and washing away bridges.

NBC Weather News
Still plenty of severe thunderstorm warnings in AL, FL, and GA but, for the first time since about 9:00 last evening, no tornado warnings. Hooray!

Thasnk you Jesus! STW for Montgomery just cancelled. No more warnings anywhere in Alabama. Shutting down the net and this zombie id off to bed. Thanks to everyone who has been so helpful. I'll see you in about three days, :-)


TORNADO WARNING
NCC037-063-135-300930-
/O.NEW.KRAH.TO.W.0026.140430T0851Z-140430T0930Z/

BULLETIN - EAS ACTIVATION REQUESTED
TORNADO WARNING
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE RALEIGH NC
451 AM EDT WED APR 30 2014

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN RALEIGH HAS ISSUED A

* TORNADO WARNING FOR...
NORTHEASTERN CHATHAM COUNTY IN CENTRAL NORTH CAROLINA...
SOUTHWESTERN DURHAM COUNTY IN CENTRAL NORTH CAROLINA...
SOUTHEASTERN ORANGE COUNTY IN CENTRAL NORTH CAROLINA...

* UNTIL 530 AM EDT

* AT 451 AM EDT...DOPPLER RADAR INDICATED A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM
CAPABLE OF PRODUCING A TORNADO. THIS DANGEROUS STORM WAS LOCATED 8
MILES NORTHEAST OF PITTSBORO...AND MOVING NORTH AT 25 MPH.

* LOCATIONS IMPACTED INCLUDE...
DURHAM...CHAPEL HILL...HILLSBOROUGH...CARRBORO...CROSSWINDS BOATING
CENTER...SEAFORTH BOAT DOCK...BETHESDA...PARKWOOD...ENO RIVER STATE
PARK...JORDAN LAKE STATE REC AREA...CROSSWINDS CAMPGROUND...
FEARRINGTON...LAKE JORDAN...GORMAN AND FALLS LAKE.
Quoting 568. sar2401:


LOL. Not mainling but snorting, that's for sure. I'm still on the Skywarn net on my emergency radio (yu know, like the ones the NWS is supposed to have) and I'm the only net controller down here. They keep issuing more warnings, and I can't (or shouldn't) close down the net until there are no more warnings. The second that happens, I'm turning off the radios and cmputer and heading for the rack. Luckily, back in my search and rescue days, I got used to not sleeping for 36 hours straight on abig search. I can take a nap standing up, leaning against a wall. Seriously. We've only got the one warning for MOntgomery now. I hope, hope, hope they expire it but it's had the nine lives of a cat so far. I'm going to post the Tally discussion. They did a great job explaining this morning and what's up next. Whoever wrote it should get a job at the SPC. Thanks for you conern though. I appreciate it.

Edit: I had to drive two hours each way to a drs appt in Montgomery today (yesterday) or I would have gotten some sleep during the day. I hadn't been following the weather at all until I got back about 6:00, when we got our gentle rain....so much for that idea. :-)


You're a dedicated soul, Sar. (A tired soul, for sure, but a dedicated one none the less.) They're lucky to have your assistance.
Quoting 571. sar2401:

Still plenty of severe thunderstorm warnings in AL, FL, and GA but, for the first time since about 9:00 last evening, no tornado warnings. Hooray!

Thasnk you Jesus! STW for Montgomery just cancelled. No more warnings anywhere in Alabama. Shutting down the net and this zombie id off to bed. Thanks to everyone who has been so helpful. I'll see you in about three days, :-)


GN, Sar. Enjoy those three days!
Quoting 562. sar2401:


Morning Keep. Another crazy night. I hope the SPC is watching this. They need a much more aggressive forecast for today if this is happening overnight. As for these radio failures, you're right. Birmingham and Columbus are two critical transmitters, and there were many failures in 2011 because the comm line went down. Now it's still happening. I don't want to hear one more thing about some new program NWS wants until they get this kind of thing fixed. Their main job is to comminicate to their clients in an emegency and, at least down here, they are failing miserably...again. Maybe it's frour hours sleep in the last 42, or sitting here in the dark, but i could bite the head off a nail :-)
you be all right stop biting the heads off the nails
just came back in rainy again here
not like there
had to put recycle stuff out 3 full dumpsters
been up all night in and out
stripping the basement floors sealing them and just finish the 2nd coat of self shine commerial floor wax looks great
now a break till 10am
onto the lobby on Thursday

spring cleaning is in full swing here
getting rid of winters salt and dust
Checking in from Durham, NC. That was darned scary. No tornado but passed right to the east of me by about 5 miles. Wunderground radar was the only one that worked on my phone (rest were overloaded). Intense lightning and wind.

Windows fogged up in that it was warmer outside than inside.


MESOSCALE DISCUSSION 0488
NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
0415 AM CDT WED APR 30 2014

AREAS AFFECTED...THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE...SERN AL...AND SWRN INTO
CNTRL GA

CONCERNING...TORNADO WATCH 120...

VALID 300915Z - 301115Z

THE SEVERE WEATHER THREAT FOR TORNADO WATCH 120 CONTINUES.

SUMMARY...THE TORNADO WATCH AREA IS BEING LOCALLY EXTENDED EASTWARD
INTO PARTS OF NORTHERN FLORIDA AND SOUTH CENTRAL GEORGIA...WITH A
CONTINUING RISK FOR SEVERE WIND GUSTS AND ISOLATED TORNADOES ANOTHER
COUPLE OF HOURS. AN ADDITIONAL WW DOES NOT SEEM LIKELY TO BE NEEDED
AT THIS POINT...BUT TRENDS WILL CONTINUE TO BE MONITORED.

DISCUSSION...EXTENSIVE CONVECTIVE DEVELOPMENT CONTINUES AND HAS
GENERALLY BEEN MAINTAINING STRENGTH THE PAST COUPLE OF HOURS. MOST
INTENSE ACTIVITY HAS BEEN FOCUSED TO THE IMMEDIATE SOUTHEAST OF A
CONVECTIVELY GENERATED LOWER/MID-LEVEL VORTEX...NOW NORTHWEST OF
BAINBRIDGE GA...WHILE VIGOROUS CONVECTIVE DEVELOPMENT ALSO PERSISTS
ALONG THE STALLED OUTFLOW BOUNDARY TRAILING TO THE SOUTHWEST AND
WEST...NEAR COASTAL AREAS OF THE WESTERN FLORIDA PANHANDLE.

SEVERE WIND GUST/TORNADO THREAT IS GENERALLY CONFINED TO THE
PROGRESSIVE /WITH AN AVERAGE EAST NORTHEAST SPEED OF 20-25 KTS/
PORTION OF THE CONVECTIVE SYSTEM NEAR/NORTHWEST THROUGH NORTH OF
TALLAHASSEE INTO AREAS EAST OF BAINBRIDGE. BUT THIS ACTIVITY IS IN
THE PROCESS OF DEVELOPING INTO/ABOVE A PROGRESSIVELY MORE STABLE
BOUNDARY LAYER...AND NEAR SURFACE INFLOW OF THIS AIR COULD BEGIN
WEAKENING CONVECTION.

FURTHERMORE...STRONGER MID/UPPER SUPPORT FOR CONVECTION IS EXPECTED
TO BEGIN TO SHIFT NORTH/NORTHEASTWARD...AWAY FROM EASTERN GULF
COASTAL AREAS...THROUGH DAYBREAK AND BEYOND. AS THIS OCCURS...THE
RAPID REFRESH SUGGESTS SOUTHERLY 850 MB FLOW ALONG COASTAL AREAS
WILL BEGIN TO WEAKEN...PERHAPS CONTRIBUTING TO GENERALLY WEAKENING
TRENDS TO MUCH OF THE REMAINDER OF THE ONGOING CONVECTION ACROSS THE
REGION AS EARLY AS 12-14Z.
WATCH COUNTY NOTIFICATION FOR WATCH 120
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE TALLAHASSEE FL
500 AM EDT WED APR 30 2014

FLC005-013-037-039-045-073-077-129-GAC007-087-099 -131-201-205-253-
301200-
/O.CON.KTAE.TO.A.0120.000000T0000Z-140430T1200Z/

TORNADO WATCH 120 REMAINS VALID UNTIL 8 AM EDT /7 AM CDT/ THIS
MORNING FOR THE FOLLOWING AREAS

IN FLORIDA THIS WATCH INCLUDES 8 COUNTIES

IN THE PANHANDLE OF FLORIDA

BAY CALHOUN FRANKLIN
GADSDEN GULF LEON
LIBERTY WAKULLA

IN GEORGIA THIS WATCH INCLUDES 7 COUNTIES

IN SOUTHWEST GEORGIA

BAKER DECATUR EARLY
GRADY MILLER MITCHELL
SEMINOLE

THIS INCLUDES THE CITIES OF...APALACHICOLA...BAINBRIDGE...
BLAKELY...BLOUNTSTOWN...CAIRO...CALLAWAY...CAMILL A...CARRABELLE...
CHATTAHOOCHEE...COLQUITT...DONALSONVILLE...DOUGLA SVILLE...
LYNN HAVEN...LYNN HAVEN...NEWTON...PANAMA CITY...PELHAM...
PORT ST. JOE...QUINCY...SOPCHOPPY...SPRING HILL...ST. MARKS...
SWEETWATER...TALLAHASSEE...UPPER GRAND LAGOON...
WEWAHITCHKA AND WHITE CITY.

$$


there has been that much rain the colour scheme for rain totals have uped three times



epic rain
HAZARDOUS WEATHER OUTLOOK
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BALTIMORE MD/WASHINGTON DC
502 AM EDT WED APR 30 2014

MDZ003>005-009-010-501-502-VAZ025>031-036>040-042 -050-051-501>504-
WVZ050>053-055-501>506-011000-
WASHINGTON-FREDERICK MD-CARROLL-MONTGOMERY-HOWARD-
EXTREME WESTERN ALLEGANY-CENTRAL AND EASTERN ALLEGANY-AUGUSTA-
ROCKINGHAM-SHENANDOAH-FREDERICK VA-PAGE-WARREN-CLARKE-NELSON-
ALBEMARLE-GREENE-MADISON-RAPPAHANNOCK-LOUDOUN-ORA NGE-CULPEPER-
NORTHERN FAUQUIER-SOUTHERN FAUQUIER-WESTERN HIGHLAND-
EASTERN HIGHLAND-HAMPSHIRE-MORGAN-BERKELEY-JEFFERSON-HARDY -
WESTERN GRANT-EASTERN GRANT-WESTERN MINERAL-EASTERN MINERAL-
WESTERN PENDLETON-EASTERN PENDLETON-
502 AM EDT WED APR 30 2014

THIS HAZARDOUS WEATHER OUTLOOK IS FOR EASTERN WEST VIRGINIA...
NORTHERN AND CENTRAL VIRGINIA...AND CENTRAL AND WESTERN MARYLAND
WITH THE EXCEPTION OF GARRETT COUNTY.

.DAY ONE...TODAY AND TONIGHT

HEAVY RAINFALL MAY PRODUCE FLASH FLOODING FROM LATE THIS MORNING
INTO THIS EVENING. A FLASH FLOOD WATCH IS IN EFFECT THROUGH
THIS EVENING.

SOME THUNDERSTORMS THIS AFTERNOON AND EVENING WILL BE CAPABLE OF
PRODUCING DAMAGING WIND GUSTS AND ISOLATED TORNADOES.

THERE IS THE POTENTIAL FOR MAIN STEM RIVER FLOODING TO BEGIN LATE
TONIGHT. RIVER FLOOD WATCHES HAVE BEEN ISSUED FOR PORTIONS OF THE
POTOMAC...RAPPAHANNOCK AND SHENANDOAH RIVER BASINS.

.DAYS TWO THROUGH SEVEN...THURSDAY THROUGH TUESDAY

MAIN STEM RIVER FLOODING WILL BE POSSIBLE THURSDAY THROUGH
FRIDAY. RIVER FLOOD WATCHES HAVE BEEN ISSUED FOR PORTIONS OF THE
POTOMAC...RAPPAHANNOCK AND SHENANDOAH RIVER BASINS.

.SPOTTER INFORMATION STATEMENT...

SPOTTER ACTIVATION MAY BE REQUIRED THIS AFTERNOON AND EVENING. ALSO
PLEASE REPORT ANY FLOODING TO THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE.

$$
Quoting 582. KEEPEROFTHEGATE:



there has been that much rain the colour scheme for rain totals have uped three times



epic rain
good morning keeper..going to be bad flooding in the panhandle of florida,and still raining there this morning
More than 21 inches of rain fell in a 23-hour period in Pensacola, Fla., washing away bridges and closing mile after mile of highways across the region.

More than five inches fell on Pensacola in the single hour between 9 p.m. and 10 p.m. CT (10 p.m. and 11 p.m. ET) Tuesday, according the National Weather Service.

"That's more than the city got in the whole of Hurricane Ivan," Weather Channel meteorologist Kevin Roth said.
Quoting 587. yonzabam:

More than 21 inches of rain fell in a 23-hour period in Pensacola, Fla., washing away bridges and closing mile after mile of highways across the region.

More than five inches fell on Pensacola in the single hour between 9 p.m. and 10 p.m. CT (10 p.m. and 11 p.m. ET) Tuesday, according the National Weather Service.

"That's more than the city got in the whole of Hurricane Ivan," Weather Channel meteorologist Kevin Roth said.
geez and still raining..this is bad
Quoting 586. LargoFl:

good morning keeper..going to be bad flooding in the panhandle of florida,and still raining there this morning


it will all move along ever so slowly
but it is moving

Need to keep an eye on the evolution of the convection ongoing along the Gulf Coast of Florida & into southern Florida, because this batch of strong & very persistent thunderstorms is blocking moisture transport for areas upstream, including the Carolinas where the focus of severe wx is today. If this continues to hold together and blocks moisture for areas further north, this may delay or attempt to mitigate the initiation & intensity of thunderstorms earlier in the day for the Carolinas & surrounding region, thus may lead to an formidable increase in CAPE. Considering that the concern over a lack of CAPE due to convective activity early in the day is the primary reasoning why the SPC has withheld from issuing a moderate risk outlook in the Carolinas, this is a bit worrisome. Thus, this batch of thunderstorms is only an enhancing factor for severe wx today. You can also see how these storms have created the very nice mid-level mesoscale convective vortex (MCV) over southern Georgia...
Gross morning here in Orlando, 6 AM temp 73 dew point 72.
Quoting 592. Naga5000:
Gross morning here in Orlando, 6 AM temp 73 dew point 72.


How much rain did you recieve yesterday?

Quoting 593. StormTrackerScott:



How much rain did you recieve yesterday?




Only got about .7 where I am. Surrounding areas got much more.
just checked got less than a quarter inch yesterday must of missed us e cen florida
596. VR46L
Good Morning Folk!

2.66" here with much more on the way today. Some ares just to my west got 5" of rain. However this doesn't even come close to the 19" so far in Pensacola.
get use to it and worse central floridians in the summer this is the hottest place ive ever lived
Good Morning All..
Been up in the SC upstate getting things organized for the permanent move here in a few weeks..
Have had absolutely no weather here except light rain..
Today is supposed to be a bit more..
Thing about here is the flow from the SW is knocked down by the Piedmonts..
When it shifts due South is when we get severe weather..
Noted a outflow boundary in the Fl. panhandle..
Doesn't meet Derecho criteria..
Looks potent though..
Lightening in Pensacola has been non-stop all night..
Family members to fill me in on damage come sunrise..





600. yoboi
Has anyone heard from PensacolaDoug????????
601. VR46L
Quoting 599. pcola57:

Good Morning All..
Been up in the SC upstate getting things organized for the permanent move here in a few weeks..
Have had absolutely no weather here except light rain..
Today is supposed to be a bit more..
Thing about here is the flow from the SW is knocked down by the Piedmonts..
When it shifts due South is when we get severe weather..
Noted a outflow boundary in the Fl. panhandle..
Doesn't meet Derecho criteria..
Looks potent though..
Lightening in Pensacola has been non-stop all night..
Family members to fill me in on damage come sunrise..








Good Morning P'Cola , Glad you are away from the almost historic and unprecedented flooding down in the west Panhandle , I have some net friends in that area and was concerned for them !
Good morning..

24 inches of rain in Pensacola, Florida? can anyone show me a model that predicted anything close to that or even half of that?
Good morning. Most of Escambia and Santa Rosa counties on the Fla. panhandle are flooded and shut down this morning from 20+ inches of rain overnight. My street is an impassable river right now. I-10 is shutdown from the Alabama state line to mile marker 5 in Florida, although live cams show the interstate at a standstill as far as 10 miles into FLA both east and west bound. Numerous bridges are out. There is at least one reported death.
Wowzzza's. Pensacola storm totals.

Some more rain totals in my area from yesterday and these totals should repeat everyday thru this weekend. Likely will be some flooding even down here in C FL this weekend as this system over Pensacola stalls over C FL Friday and Saturday.


What was impressive about yesterdays storms was the tens of thousands of lightning strikes that occurred.

There are intense straight-line winds in the Athens GA area mixed with very light rain. Lots of tree limbs down, power flickering here at my apartment.
Quoting ncstorm:
Good morning..

24 inches of rain in Pensacola, Florida? can anyone show me a model that predicted anything close to that or even half of that?


Dr. Forbes on TWC kept saying the heavy rainfall along the Florida coast is what saved the S.E. from a major tornado outbreak yesterday. It disrupted the southerly flow the storms needed to really get going yesterday.

He had a Torcon of 8 for Alabama yesterday and luckily that didn't materialize.

So some good with the bad.
Latest run of the HRRR NAM high resolution model is showing a serious blow up again of thunderstorms over the interior of FL then sliding over to the east coast this evening. Models is showing widspread 2" to 4" of rain today across the Orlando area with CAPE around 5,000.
Quoting 609. StormTrackerScott:

Latest run of the HRRR NAM high resolution model is showing a serious blow up again of thunderstorms over the interior of FL then sliding over to the east coast this evening. Models is showing widspread 2" to 4" of rain today across the Orlando area with CAPE around 5,000.


do you think that will defuse the tornado threat today?
incredible rains in west florida look for a new blog by dr masters soon
Quoting 611. islander101010:
incredible rains in west florida look for a new blog by dr masters soon


Mayor pleading for help says its the worst he's ever seen.

Quoting StormTrackerScott:
Latest run of the HRRR NAM high resolution model is showing a serious blow up again of thunderstorms over the interior of FL then sliding over to the east coast this evening. Models is showing widspread 2" to 4" of rain today across the Orlando area with CAPE around 5,000.


Last day of the month and I've only picked up to 1.56" for the month at my location (but that's not too far from normal for us).

The past couple days the sea breeze T storms have started to fire off in the late afternoon. I got lucky enough to pick up .22" yesterday, which really helps.


Quoting 613. StormTrackerScott:



Mayor pleading for help says its the worst he's ever seen.




Looks pretty bad in photos...
Quoting 610. TampaHelpDesk:


do you think that will defuse the tornado threat today?


I think so. I think the problem is that there is just so much moisture over FL compared to up north and these convective complexes that keep forming are blocking the 70's dewpoints from riding to far north. I am getting worried for C FL Friday Night thru Saturday as a similar situation may occur here as well as this system is expect to stall overhead later this week. Temps have been in the low to mid 90's all week here and as this system approaches expect these convective complexes to continue to fire so you guys in Tampa get ready come Friday and Saturday.

This is what I'm talking about. Notice the bullseye over C FL. This would be on top of heavy rains that have fallen the past couple of days.


WUphoto by aubtgrsfan
across from University of South Alabama at int of Old Shell and University Blvd Mobile, AL
Lot of people on this blog from the Panhandle and I hope they are OK. Any word from IKE?
Quoting StormTrackerScott:
Latest run of the HRRR NAM high resolution model is showing a serious blow up again of thunderstorms over the interior of FL then sliding over to the east coast this evening. Models is showing widspread 2" to 4" of rain today across the Orlando area with CAPE around 5,000.


Looks like the bulls eye is right over your house bubba, stay safe and dont forget your umbrella!

twc why not name this one?
...FLASH FLOOD EMERGENCY FOR SOUTHERN AND CENTRAL ESCAMBIA AND SOUTHERN
AND CENTRAL SANTA ROSA COUNTIES...

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN MOBILE HAS EXTENDED THE

* FLASH FLOOD WARNING FOR...
ESCAMBIA COUNTY IN NORTHWEST FLORIDA...
THIS INCLUDES THE CITY OF PENSACOLA...
OKALOOSA COUNTY IN NORTHWEST FLORIDA...
THIS INCLUDES THE CITIES OF...FORT WALTON BEACH...DESTIN...
SANTA ROSA COUNTY IN NORTHWEST FLORIDA...
THIS INCLUDES THE CITY OF NAVARRE...

* UNTIL 200 PM CDT WEDNESDAY

* AT 721 AM CDT...NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE METEOROLOGISTS DETECTED
FLASH FLOODING OVER THE WARNED AREA.

THIS IS A FLASH FLOOD EMERGENCY FOR SOUTHERN AND CENTRAL ESCAMBIA AND
SOUTHERN AND CENTRAL SANTA ROSA COUNTIES.

* LOCATIONS IN THE WARNING INCLUDE BUT ARE NOT LIMITED TO EGLIN
AFB...BELLVIEW...VALPARAISO...SEMINOLE...POSTIL... PENSACOLA
REGIONAL A/P...PACE...NICEVILLE...MILTON...HAROLD...GONZALE Z...
FERRY PASS...ENSLEY...COTTAGE HILL...CANTONMENT...BRENT...BEULAH...
BARRINEAU PARK AND BAGDAD

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

MOVE TO HIGHER GROUND NOW. THIS IS AN EXTREMELY DANGEROUS AND LIFE
THREATENING SITUATION. DO NOT ATTEMPT TO TRAVEL UNLESS YOU ARE
FLEEING AN AREA SUBJECT TO FLOODING OR UNDER AN EVACUATION ORDER.

DO NOT DRIVE YOUR VEHICLE INTO AREAS WHERE THE WATER COVERS THE
ROADWAY. THE WATER DEPTH MAY BE TOO GREAT TO ALLOW YOUR CAR TO CROSS
SAFELY. MOVE TO HIGHER GROUND.

MOST FLOOD DEATHS OCCUR IN AUTOMOBILES. NEVER DRIVE YOUR VEHICLE INTO
AREAS WHERE THE WATER COVERS THE ROADWAY. FLOOD WATERS ARE USUALLY
DEEPER THAN THEY APPEAR. JUST ONE FOOT OF FLOWING WATER IS POWERFUL
ENOUGH TO SWEEP VEHICLES OFF THE ROAD. WHEN ENCOUNTERING FLOODED
ROADS MAKE THE SMART CHOICE...TURN AROUND...DONT DROWN.

TO REPORT FLOODING...HAVE THE NEAREST LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY RELAY
YOUR REPORT TO THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE FORECAST OFFICE IN
MOBILE.

&&

From my front yard, Gulf Breeze, Fl.

Quoting 618. StormTrackerScott:

Lot of people on this blog from the Panhandle and I hope they are OK. Any word from IKE?
alot of power outages up there whew...
Post from Largo on my blog.

PENSACOLA, Fla. --
(AP) Heavy rains and flooding have left people stranded in their houses and cars in the Florida Panhandle, the latest area of the country to be pummeled by a dayslong chain of severe weather.

Escambia County spokesman Bill Pearson says fire rescue crews aren't able to respond to some calls early Wednesday because of road flooding around Pensacola. He says some people have climbed into their attics because of rising waters.

The county is moving boats and jet skis from beaches to streets for rescues. The Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission is lending boats and officers to help.

Schools and most government offices in the area are closed Wednesday.

Quoting islander101010:
incredible rains in west florida look for a new blog by dr masters soon


Yep and more to come.

Latest Nam HRRR high resolution model is painting a bad set up for Tallahassee today. God I hope they cancel school up there as flooding should get pretty bad there as the day goes on.

It seems like as of late, Florida has gotten hit with many episodes of rain and severe weather, and not the garden-variety heating of the day storms. I wonder if this is a sign that the atmosphere is starting to behave in an El Nino kind of way. I recall back in 1997 and 1998 during that El Nino that Florida got hit hard by severe weather outbreaks
Tallahassee could easily pick up 6" of rain today based on these latest model trends.
Quoting 628. lobdelse81:
It seems like as of late, Florida has gotten hit with many episodes of rain and severe weather, and not the garden-variety heating of the day storms. I wonder if this is a sign that the atmosphere is starting to behave in an El Nino kind of way. I recall back in 1997 and 1998 during that El Nino that Florida got hit hard by severe weather outbreaks


I think so. It seems almost on a weekly basis since the first week of January and now that we have higher moisture levels and much more heat these systems are just unleashing on FL now.

Quoting 623. Skyepony:




WOW. Is that fast moving water down the street and it looks deep too.
Quoting 629. StormTrackerScott:

Tallahassee could easily pick up 6" of rai today based on these latest model trends.

Looking at GEOS-5 the amount of rain expected there over the next 3 days is disturbing.
Quoting 630. ncstorm:


Notice C & N FL. It looks like we are about to be a flood zone too.

Historic Flood in Pensacola is National news now.
Quoting 627. StormTrackerScott:

Latest Nam HRRR high resolution model is painting a bad set up for Tallahassee today. God I hope they cancel school up there as flooding should get pretty bad there as the day goes on.




As someone who used to live in Tallahassee, I second this. It's the hilliest place in the state of FL and the drainage setups are not adequate for this volume of water.
Oh flipping my!

Worst flooding in 60yrs as of 8am. Link
Quoting 634. StormTrackerScott:



Notice C & N FL. It looks like we are about to be a flood zone too.




some purple hues showing up there in that run as well..
I-10 in Pensacola. EMS personal are advising people stay home!


Quoting 620. islander101010:

twc why not name this one?



they olny name winter storms



this is not a winter storm
Blogger from Pensacola. 33.33" this month so far at this station.

Quoting StormTrackerScott:
I-10 in Pensacola. EMS personal are advising people stay home!




Unfortunately some people wont or cant. They'll drive through water and get stuck, then put other peoples lives in danger to rescue them. Happens every time.
Water Vapor Map

Quoting 643. StormWx:


Unfortunately some people wont or cant. They'll drive through water and get stuck, then put other peoples lives in danger to rescue them. Happens every time.


Anything from IKE?
Any images of the flooding now that the sun is up? Sun has been up for a couple hours.
Quoting 643. StormWx:


Unfortunately some people wont or cant. They'll drive through water and get stuck, then put other peoples lives in danger to rescue them. Happens every time.
I feel good today so I gave you a plus eventhough you harrass me sometimes;)
Quoting 646. Sfloridacat5:
Any images of the flooding now that the sun is up? Sun has been up for a couple hours.


I'm at work so I haven't seen any yet just pics from overnight which look really bad.
Quoting 643. StormWx:



Unfortunately some people wont or cant. They'll drive through water and get stuck, then put other peoples lives in danger to rescue them. Happens every time.


You can't fix stupid. IMHO better to let the idiots drown.
Quoting 649. TampaHelpDesk:



You can't fix stupid. IMHO better to let the idiots drown.



That's gross, people make stupid decisions, but that's no excuse for treating them as subhuman...
Good Morning from Tally; there has been moderate rain and some lightening all morning but the "big rain" is just to the West of us in the Panhandle.  Not scheduled for a tornado threat but the heavy rain and flash flooding is the biggest problem.  Gonna have a big issue with the rivers in North Florida flooding out folks who live near the banks and floodplains over the next several days; might be a good day to do the sand bags as needed to protect your low lying properties prone to flooding.

Would also advise folks in North Florida to take precautions over the next 24 hours, even after the rain stops, to stay away (particularly your kids) from large and waterlogged trees and branches.  We had minor gusts this morning at the house when a few t-storms came through and could hear/see some smaller waterlogged limbs (Oak trees all over my property and near/over the house) falling on the roof from time to time.

Stay indoors as much as you can because the flooding and falling limb/tree issue is a serious one if a good t-storm r wind gust pushes through.    
Quoting 643. StormWx:



Unfortunately some people wont or cant. They'll drive through water and get stuck, then put other peoples lives in danger to rescue them. Happens every time.


I don't think I've ever seen a bridge flood from rain unless its a river from below rising above the road level, the drain pipes must be clogged? That is utterly insane.
Quoting 649. TampaHelpDesk:


You can't fix stupid. IMHO better to let the idiots drown.
Really!!!
Moderators...................Time to pull the plug.
Quoting 649. TampaHelpDesk:


You can't fix stupid. IMHO better to let the idiots drown.
Some people have to get to work or they may have been on their way home.
AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE TALLAHASSEE FL
813 AM EDT Wed Apr 30 2014

.Near Term [Through Today]...

HEAVIEST RAINFALL FOR REMAINDER OF TODAY LOOKS TO BE SOUTH OF
INTERSTATE 10 IN THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE WHERE SIGNIFICANT RAINFALL
AND FLOODING OCCURRED OVERNIGHT...PARTICULARLY IN WALTON AND BAY
COUNTIES. WILL BE WATCHING THE COASTAL COUNTIES AND SLIGHTLY
INLAND FROM FRANKLIN COUNTY WESTWARD FOR THE MAIN SEVERE WEATHER
THREAT REST OF TODAY WITH MINIMAL CHANCES ELSEWHERE. EXPECT
PERIODS OF HEAVY RAINFALL MOST AREAS THIS AFTERNOON WITH RAIN
DIMINISHING IN SOUTHEAST ALABAMA COUNTIES MID AFTERNOON TO EARLY
EVENING.

&&
Quoting 637. StormTrackerScott:

Oh flipping my!

Worst flooding in 60yrs as of 8am. Link


That's crazy, but I'm not surprised when you consider how extreme the rain they had last night was, when a station reports 20+ in 24 hours, and over 5 inches in a single hour, which is just insane. When you see a station report 5+ in one hour, lookout, its going to be bad regardless of how good the drainage is.
Quoting 636. TampaHelpDesk:



As someone who used to live in Tallahassee, I second this. It's the hilliest place in the state of FL and the drainage setups are not adequate for this volume of water.
Escambia county schools are closed,a state of emergency has been declared,all govt offices closed also...best stay home folks
Massachusetts Street in Pensacola

Quoting 655. gulfbreeze:

Some people have to get to work or they may have been on their way home.
we also must rermember police,fire and hospital workers have to get to work regardless of weather,no choice there i guess.plus power company workers and a whole host of other workers who are needed in this emergency...
Lived in Pensacola all my life and we get a lot of rain on average 62" per year. But nothing like this over 20" and lighting strikes 40,000 to 50,000 per hour. Scenic hwy road over looking bluffs and bay washed out as is lots of roads and bridges.
Quoting 650. Jedkins01:




That's gross, people make stupid decisions, but that's no excuse for treating them as subhuman...


Harsh yes, Cold yes. Letting them drown saves the lives of emergency responders, and increases the average intelligence of the human race.

It'll never happen of course, society can't handle the thought of allowing natural selection to proceed without interference. We'd be better off if we did though.

Just my opinion.
Quoting 655. gulfbreeze:

Some people have to get to work or they may have been on their way home.


Yes but that's the problem, people shouldn't treat a day of dangerous severe weather as the same old day, you can't just plow on home when tornadoes are in the path, or in this case rainfall over 20 inches in less than 24 hours. When rain is that extreme, people should know better not to try to cross flooded water ways. Its not worth driving home or driving to work for.

Quoting 664. Jedkins01:



Yes but that's the problem, people shouldn't treat a day of dangerous severe weather as the same old day, you can't just plow on home when tornadoes are in the path, or in this case rainfall over 20 inches in less than 24 hours. When rain is that extreme, people should no better not to try to cross flooded water ways. Its not worth driving home or driving to work for.




That's the point I was trying to make with my prior posts. You'd have to be deaf and blind to not know about the hazardous conditions, SPC was predicting this outbreak 3 days before any weather hit. If you ignore all of that... well... You guys already know what I think...
where a mod when you need one the most ?
geez i'd better really stay alert friday....look at the cape.............
Quoting 667. Tazmanian:

where a mod when you need one the most ?


I've said nothing that breaks the rules of this blog.
Quoting 609. StormTrackerScott:

Latest run of the HRRR NAM high resolution model is showing a serious blow up again of thunderstorms over the interior of FL then sliding over to the east coast this evening. Models is showing widspread 2" to 4" of rain today across the Orlando area with CAPE around 5,000.


Thunderstorms could get a bit more severe there today, there should be some weak shear and mid level temps have cooled. Look out for the possibility of a severe thunderstorm or maybe even an isolated tornado.
Quoting StormTrackerScott:
I feel good today so I gave you a plus eventhough you harrass me sometimes;)


I never harrass you bubba! lol :o)

We had a nice run of dry weather here in FL now its time for the deluge. Looks like it may dry out again after this next round.



It's starting to look a lot like 2011 around here in Houston...
2014


2011
Quoting 662. TampaHelpDesk:



Harsh yes, Cold yes. Letting them drown saves the lives of emergency responders, and increases the average intelligence of the human race.

It'll never happen of course, society can't handle the thought of allowing natural selection to proceed without interference. We'd be better off if we did though.

Just my opinion.


Really? If that's your model for human purpose, you seriously need help yourself. That is extremely dangerous thinking. That is no different than the Ku Klux Klan, Hitler, and Stalin.

I'm sorry but its true, you really need to do some reflecting on those thoughts. I know this is a weather blog, and I I'm not the moral police of the blog, but I feel such extreme lack of compassion and coldness is disturbing and should be discussed.

Also, how is that really smart? How does that make us any different than a wild beast? Wild beasts tear each other apart "for survival". If we humans think only by natural selection, that makes our moral development no different than an animal, accept its worse because animals don't have developed enough brains to be responsible for morality, but we do. You can't blame those desires on your will to survive, we are all capable of being evil in our will, you need to understand that.
Quoting 669. TampaHelpDesk:



I've said nothing that breaks the rules of this blog.
arrogant is not in the rules you are right but the comm overall is entitled to there response and it don't appear to be in your favor

Really? If that's your model for human purpose, you seriously need help yourself. That is extremely dangerous thinking. That is no different than the Ku Klux Klan, Hitler, and Stalin.


bs....to equate that with hitler or the kkk...or stalin......huge differences....huge disparities...maybe you weren't thinking clearly in your haste to speak your disdain for his comments....
82 with a 77 dewpoint right now here near Orlando. That is an insane amount of moisture.



CAPE already at 4500 in some places. Yesterday CAPE nearly hit 6,000 and we paid the price for it as well with tens of thousands of lightning strikes and 2" to 4" of rain over a large area.

Quoting 673. Jedkins01:



Really? If that's your model for human purpose, you seriously need help yourself. That is extremely dangerous thinking. That is no different than the Ku Klux Klan, Hitler, and Stalin.

I'm sorry but its true, you really need to do some reflecting on those thoughts. I know this is a weather blog, and I I'm not the moral police of the blog, but I feel such extreme lack of compassion and coldness is disturbing and should be discussed.

Also, how is that really smart? How does that make us any different than a wild beast? Wild beasts tear each other apart "for survival". If we humans think only by natural selection, that makes our moral development no different than an animal, accept its worse because animals don't have developed enough brains to be responsible for morality, but we do. You can't blame those desires on your will to survive, we are all capable of being evil in our will, you need to understand that.


Since you made a reasonable argument I'll elaborate.

I have no issue with helping victims of disaster. The folks that have lost their homes, schools, and entire towns from the recent tornadoes should get all the help the government and charities can give. They didn't choose to have a tornado come through town and destroy everything.

Here's the catch. In the specific situation I am referring to, where an individual makes a conscious decision to ignore warnings and hazards. In said situation, in my opinion, that person has forfeited the right to help. They made a choice to put themselves in danger, and that choice should not place an obligation on me or mine to go bail them out. Death by stupidity.

Obviously there are others that are more generous than I, which is fortunate for those individuals.

I find it interesting that this view generates so much anger toward me as an individual. Last time I checked, this was still a free country and I'm allowed to hold my own opinions.
Quoting 675. ricderr:

Really? If that's your model for human purpose, you seriously need help yourself. That is extremely dangerous thinking. That is no different than the Ku Klux Klan, Hitler, and Stalin.


bs....to equate that with hitler or the kkk...or stalin......huge differences....huge disparities...maybe you weren't thinking clearly in your haste to speak your disdain for his comments....
sounds like a great question of the day in there somewhere ric

82 and feels like 91.
82 with a 77 dewpoint right now here near Orlando. That is an insane amount of moisture.


that aint nothing....dewpoint at the time i woke up this morning....-1....gonna pour here...someday...sometime.......hopefully......mig ht die of old age first
Quoting 680. ricderr:
82 with a 77 dewpoint right now here near Orlando. That is an insane amount of moisture.


that aint nothing....dewpoint at the time i woke up this morning....-1....gonna pour here...someday...sometime.......hopefully......mig ht die of old age first


LOL good morning Ric.
AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MELBOURNE FL
949 AM EDT WED APR 30 2014

.DISCUSSION...

...ISOLATED STRONG/SEVERE STORMS POSSIBLE THIS AFTERNOON/EVENING...

CURRENT-TONIGHT...JUICY SURFACE DEWPOINTS AGAIN IN THE LOW TO MID
70S ACROSS ECFL. SOME PATCHY LOW STRATUS CLOUDS AFFECTING THE I-4
CORRIDOR THIS MORNING AND SHOULD BURN OFF THROUGH LATE MORNING.
ANOTHER LARGE MESOSCALE CONVECTIVE SYSTEM AFFECTING THE PANHANDLE
PRESENTLY SENDING HIGH CLOUD COVER SOUTHWARD TO ACROSS THE CENTRAL
PENINSULA. TEMPERATURES IN THE MID TO UPPER 70S NORTHWARD...EXCEPT
LOWER 80 DEGREE READINGS ALONG THE SOUTH BREVARD COUNTY AND TREASURE
COAST WHERE CLOUDS ARE THINNER.

MORNING KXMR/KTBW SOUNDINGS SHOW DRY AIR ALOFT (PWAT 1.31" BOTH
PLACES) AGAIN THIS MORNING. 700MB TEMPERATURES ARE FAIRLY WARM AT
+8C/+9C. 500MB TEMPERATURES RESPECTABLE AT AROUND -10C. DO NOT FEEL
WE WILL SEE AN EARLY START TO CONVECTION ACROSS EAST CENTRAL FLORIDA
WITH THE PRESENT LID ON THE ATMOSPHERE. WITH HEATING AND EAST/WEST
COAST SEA BREEZE INLAND MOVEMENT THIS AFTERNOON WE SHOULD START TO
SEE CONVECTION ERUPTING BY AROUND MID AFTERNOON. THE WEST COAST
BOUNDARY SHOULD MOVE INLAND QUICKER AND MAY INITIALLY HAVE MORE
CONVECTION ALONG IT AS IT APPROACHES EAST CENTRAL FLORIDA LATE IN
THE DAY/EARLY EVENING. PWAT VALUES ARE FORECAST TO INCREASE TO
1.50-1.60" LATER IN THE AFTERNOON/EVENING.

A FEW STRONG TO SEVERE STORMS THIS AFTERNOON WILL BE CAPABLE OF
PRODUCING DAMAGING WINDS TO AROUND 60 MPH...HAIL TO QUARTER
SIZE...TORRENTIAL DOWNPOURS WITH MINOR FLOODING OF LOW LYING
AREAS...FREQUENT CLOUD TO GROUND LIGHTNING AND/OR AN ISOLATED WEAK
TORNADO. MOVEMENT SHOULD BE TOWARD THE NNE/NE AT 10-15 MPH.


ANOTHER WARM DAY ON TAP WITH MIDDLE TO UPPER 80S ALONG THE IMMEDIATE
COAST AND UPPER 80S ACROSS MUCH OF THE INTERIOR...EVEN A FEW LOWER
90 DEGREE READINGS POSSIBLE FOR AREAS ABLE TO SEE A BIT MORE
ADDITIONAL SUNSHINE. S/SE WINDS UP TO AROUND 15 MPH ACROSS THE
INTERIOR AND VOLUSIA COAST WITH ESE WINDS 15-20 MPH AND GUSTY
CONDITIONS ALONG THE SPACE AND TREASURE COASTS ONCE AGAIN IN THE
AFTERNOON.
did anyone see the 06 gfs is that a ts at landfall or is it a tropical low either way c florida will get pounded with rain maybe untIL sun night
sounds like a great question of the day in there somewhere ric


i quit the QOD...now it's the rant of the day...but it just might...lots of angles there......schools minimizing the atrocities of history.......time softening wounds.....a change of views and concerns.....more equality amongst races and religion leading to a different focus on our past......moral change....yep....might need to rant...actually would love to rant...but it looks like we may have to change hospitals for our daughter.....that could screw up my day
Quoting 675. ricderr:

Really? If that's your model for human purpose, you seriously need help yourself. That is extremely dangerous thinking. That is no different than the Ku Klux Klan, Hitler, and Stalin.


bs....to equate that with hitler or the kkk...or stalin......huge differences....huge disparities...maybe you weren't thinking clearly in your haste to speak your disdain for his comments....


Common man, use your head, it is the same type of dangerous thinking, people need to be warned of dangerous behavior and thinking before it gets out of control and we shouldn't be afraid to do so. If you think I'm overdoing it, fine, but I'd rather err on the side of caution. I'm not saying the blogger IS like those individuals, but that the same type of thinking has the potential to be that way when we treat human beings that way.

I will happily forgive people, and I don't hold disdain for people saying such things, but some things I think require attention even on a blog.
did anyone see the 06 gfs is that a ts at landfall or is it a tropical low either way c florida will get pounded with rain maybe untIL sun night

while i agree it shows you're gonna get some rain...i don't think it will be either a ts or low.....

now..on another vein...am i the only one who see weather's profile pic and think he just came out of the joint :-)
Quoting 666. TampaHelpDesk:



That's the point I was trying to make with my prior posts. You'd have to be deaf and blind to not know about the hazardous conditions, SPC was predicting this outbreak 3 days before any weather hit. If you ignore all of that... well... You guys already know what I think...


I'm pretty sure you can be deaf and know about these hazardous conditions that SPC was predicting... at least I am able to do so :P
Quoting 677. TampaHelpDesk:



Since you made a reasonable argument I'll elaborate.

I have no issue with helping victims of disaster. The folks that have lost their homes, schools, and entire towns from the recent tornadoes should get all the help the government and charities can give. They didn't choose to have a tornado come through town and destroy everything.

Here's the catch. In the specific situation I am referring to, where an individual makes a conscious decision to ignore warnings and hazards. In said situation, in my opinion, that person has forfeited the right to help. They made a choice to put themselves in danger, and that choice should not place an obligation on me or mine to go bail them out. Death by stupidity.

Obviously there are others that are more generous than I, which is fortunate for those individuals.

I find it interesting that this view generates so much anger toward me as an individual. Last time I checked, this was still a free country and I'm allowed to hold my own opinions.


Alright sure, nobody said you don't have the right to hold your opinions. Nobody here is calling for the government to criminalize you for saying such things, which would constitute violation of such freedom.
However, a fellow blogger being disturbed by cold and harsh comments, also has the right to voice being disturbed by them. In doing so, there is no violation of your right to speech.

Now with that said, I understand where you are coming from, and I am not saying you are an evil freak for saying such things, the terrible decisions that people make boggle my mind. I will be honest with you that I too have felt that way before, i will not try to sit on some moral high ground and claim that I cold and harsh thinking hasn't gripped me. However, such thinking should not be embraced. See I am fortunate enough to also have someone in my life rebuke me for saying terrible things about people, so I didn't let it grow and become something I embrace.
Given this, I want you to know that I'm not alienating you, but simply saying it because I care, and I don't want to see people treating other people that way, even though stupid decisions does cause us to anger naturally.

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Scenic Highway near Gaborone in Pensacola, FL. posted to ABC.


Bridge at Woodridge Manor

Common man, use your head, it is the same type of dangerous thinking, people need to be warned of dangerous behavior and thinking before it gets out of control and we shouldn't be afraid to do so. If you think I'm overdoing it, fine, but I'd rather err on the side of caution. I'm not saying the blogger IS like those individuals, but that the same type of thinking has the potential to be hat way when we treat human beings that way.

while i agree that you have the right to counter his argument...that you have the right to find his thinking wrong and important enough to voice your concern....you're err in judgement in equating it with hitler and stalin and the kkk is far from erring on the side of caution...it's crossing the line...and is as dangerous of thinking as you claim his is
Nine Mile Road washout in Pensacola just south of I-10


ECUA says to boil water for most of the East side of Pensacola due to broken water mains.
Gulf Breeze / Tiger Point area - a lot of house flooding; water is 2 - 3 feet deep center of the road.  My house is at a bit higher elevation, so I got lucky...






JeffMasters has created a new entry.

Gulf Breeze / Tiger Point area - a lot of house flooding; water is 2 - 3 feet deep center of the road. My house is at a bit higher elevation, so I got lucky...

glad for you
Quoting 691. ricderr:

Common man, use your head, it is the same type of dangerous thinking, people need to be warned of dangerous behavior and thinking before it gets out of control and we shouldn't be afraid to do so. If you think I'm overdoing it, fine, but I'd rather err on the side of caution. I'm not saying the blogger IS like those individuals, but that the same type of thinking has the potential to be hat way when we treat human beings that way.

while i agree that you have the right to counter his argument...that you have the right to find his thinking wrong and important enough to voice your concern....you're err in judgement in equating it with hitler and stalin and the kkk is far from erring on the side of caution...it's crossing the line...and is as dangerous of thinking as you claim his is



Alright, if you think so, that's your business, but Hitler, Stalin, and the kkk didn't suddenly wake up thinking and feeling the way they did about people. It had to start somewhere, and my whole point is, that base thinking of treating human beings that way can lead to that type of thinking if it isn't curbed.

Sure, maybe I got a little emotional about it, but was I the one saying people should be left to die? No. Am I saying people that think like him should be left to die, or punished? Not a chance.

Forgive me if I wasn't accurate in my comment, but I was emotionally reacting to cold thinking that can lead to worse if not held in check. I won't say any more from here, I don't want to argue.
Said high of 70 here yesterday, already up to 76. Hopefully that means more instability and some nice storms this afternoon.
Quoting 677. TampaHelpDesk:



Since you made a reasonable argument I'll elaborate.

I have no issue with helping victims of disaster. The folks that have lost their homes, schools, and entire towns from the recent tornadoes should get all the help the government and charities can give. They didn't choose to have a tornado come through town and destroy everything.

Here's the catch. In the specific situation I am referring to, where an individual makes a conscious decision to ignore warnings and hazards. In said situation, in my opinion, that person has forfeited the right to help. They made a choice to put themselves in danger, and that choice should not place an obligation on me or mine to go bail them out. Death by stupidity.

Obviously there are others that are more generous than I, which is fortunate for those individuals.

I find it interesting that this view generates so much anger toward me as an individual. Last time I checked, this was still a free country and I'm allowed to hold my own opinions.


At least you would agree with Arizona, They have a "stupid motorist law" that syas if you do something you were told not to do and get stuck - you get to pay for your rescue.
701. flsky
Warm and sticky in Ponce Inlet today. Last night, during that great thunderstorm, I unplugged my computer. After it was over and I plugged in my computer again, it didn't start charging. I had 6 cords connected to the power strip, but the computer cord seemed blown. Was this from the lightning, or just a warn out cord. Power went out for about 10 seconds, but nothing else was affected. Looking forward to more storms this afternoon and evening.
Quoting 679. StormTrackerScott:

82 and feels like 91.
How come the number of plusses for some comments is black, while for some comments the number is red? I notice that even the same handle has different colored numbers showing how many plussed.
Quoting 675. ricderr:

Really? If that's your model for human purpose, you seriously need help yourself. That is extremely dangerous thinking. That is no different than the Ku Klux Klan, Hitler, and Stalin.


bs....to equate that with hitler or the kkk...or stalin......huge differences....huge disparities...maybe you weren't thinking clearly in your haste to speak your disdain for his comments....


Ever hear of this? It isn't natural selection. Link