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Trump’s Executive Order Threatens to Wreck Earth as a Livable Planet for Humans

By: Jeff Masters 1:13 PM GMT on March 29, 2017

Decades of progress on cleaning up our dirty air took a significant hit on Tuesday, along with hopes for a livable future climate, when President Trump issued his Energy Independence Executive Order. Most seriously, the order attacks the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency’s (EPA’s) Clean Power Plan, which requires a 32 percent reduction in CO2 emissions from existing power plants by 2030 (compared to 2005 emission rates.)

Tuesday’s blow was just the latest in a series of attacks that threaten our health and the planet’s health. On March 15, Trump also ordered the EPA to review tough air pollution rules for cars and light trucks that were set to kick in between 2022 and 2025. Trump’s proposed budget for fiscal year 2018, released earlier this month, slashed funding for the EPA by 31%, and eliminated money for renewable energy programs and energy efficiency efforts such as the Energy Star program.

Trump’s war on clean air will potentially kill tens of thousands of people annually and have health costs in the ten of billions of dollars each year. Separate studies done in 2016 by the World Bank and by the Health Effects Institute (a U.S. non-profit corporation funded by the EPA and the auto industry) estimated that air pollution kills between 91,000 and 100,000 Americans each year—nearly double the number of U.S. combat deaths (58,000) in Vietnam, or over 30 times the death toll of the 9/11 terror attacks. The EPA estimated that tough air pollution regulations under the Clean Air Act that began in 1990 saved over 164,000 lives in the year 2010 alone.

Damages from U.S. air pollution are extreme. The World Bank study estimated that in the year 2013 alone, the U.S. suffered $473 billion in health-related damages from air pollution--about 2.9% of the GDP. Health care consumes one-quarter of the $3.7 trillion federal budget, and air pollution is a significant contributor to that bill.
 

Figure 1. Polling in 2016 by the Yale Program on Climate Change Communication revealed widespread support among Americans for the key provision of the EPA’s Clean Power Plan: setting strict CO2 limits on existing coal-fired power plants. Such limits were supported by 69% of Americans, including majorities in all 50 states and all 435 Congressional Districts; 75% of Americans supported regulating CO2 as a pollutant. Image credit: Yale Climate Opinion Maps.

Power plants are the single largest source of greenhouse gas emissions in the U.S.—about 31 percent of the total, and are also a significant source of deadly air pollution—about 26% of all air pollution deaths in the U.S. according to a 2013 MIT study. The authority for the Clean Power Plan comes from the EPA’s Clean Air Act, along with the Supreme Court’s 2007 decision requiring the EPA to regulate carbon dioxide as a pollutant. The Clean Power Plan is a key component of America’s commitment to reduce global warming under the 2015 Paris Climate Agreement, and there is broad public support for reducing emissions of CO2 from existing coal-fired power plants (69% of Americans, including majorities in all 50 states and all 435 Congressional Districts, see Figure 1.)


Figure 2. Weakening of U.S. air pollution regulations goes against widespread public support for clean air. A January 2017 poll by Reuters found that 39 percent of Americans would like to see the EPA "strengthened or expanded," 22 percent wanted it to "remain the same," and just 19 percent said they would like to see the agency "weakened or eliminated.” The rest said they "don't know." Image credit: John Mashey, desmogblog.com.

Benefits of the Clean Power Plan far exceed the costs
The EPA estimates that annual costs to industry of the Clean Power Plan will be $1.4 - $2.5 billion in 2020, increasing to $5.1 - $8.4 billion per year in 2030. These estimates factor in the costs of investments in transitioning to lower-carbon electricity options and the savings that result from investments in energy efficiency. Electricity bills are predicted to rise modestly by 2.4 to 2.7 percent in 2020, but then decline by 2.7 to 3.8 percent in 2025, and 7 to 7.7 percent in 2030 as investments in energy efficiency pay off.

The public health and climate benefits of the Clean Power Plan are worth an estimated $34 billion to $54 billion per year in 2030, far outweighing the costs, the EPA estimates. Burning fewer fossil fuels will create less air pollution, and air pollution from the power generation industry will fall about 25% by 2030 if the Clean Power Plan is adopted. The EPA projects that the reduction in pollution will prevent up to 3,600 deaths, 1,700 heart attacks, 90,000 asthma attacks, and 300,000 missed work and school days per year by 2030 (note that a person who dies from air pollution-related causes typically dies about twelve years earlier than they otherwise might have, according to Caiazzo et al., 2013.) For every dollar Americans spend on the Clean Power Plan, $4 worth of health benefits will result, says the EPA. The greatest benefits would come in the upper Ohio Valley and farther downwind, where pollution from power plants is highest: southeast Ohio, northwest West Virginia, and western Pennsylvania—areas Trump carried in the 2016 election, including two swing states that pushed him over the top.  


Figure 3. Levels of the deadliest pollutant, fine particles less than 2.5 microns in diameter (PM 2.5), have fallen by 37 percent and prevented tens of thousands of premature deaths since 2000, thanks to EPA Clean Air Act regulations. A peer-reviewed 1997 EPA Report to Congress reviewed the benefits of the Act from 1970 to 1990, and concluded that in 1990 alone, pollution reductions under the Act prevented 205,000 early deaths—more than three times the number of U.S. combat deaths in Vietnam. However, this progress is now threatened by the pollution-friendly Trump administration. Image credit: U.S. EPA.

Opposition to the Clean Power Plan
As one should expect, lobbying groups who receive money from the fossil fuel industry are unhappy with the Clean Power Plan, and criticize the plan’s complexity and large number of regulations. They have a point—it would have been far simpler and more effective to achieve the plan’s goals through a cap-and-trade system, or through a cap-and-dividend approach, or by having Congress adopt a simple carbon tax of $40 per ton (a version of which was proposed in February by a group of Reagan and Bush-era Republicans called the Climate Leadership Council). However, Congress failed to pass a cap-and-trade bill during Obama’s first term, and he was forced to use the regulatory power of the EPA to bring about the reduction in U.S. greenhouse gas emissions needed for the Paris Climate Agreement.

Critics also dispute EPA’s cost estimates, saying the costs will be much higher. Several of these criticisms state only the costs, not the benefits, and also ignore the huge death toll of air pollution. And at least one study has found that the EPA underestimated the benefits and lives saved by the Clean Power Plan—an independent analysis by Energy Innovation: Policy and Technology LLC,  an energy and environmental policy firm. In a 2017 study, they estimated that the cumulative savings to the U.S. economy (in reduced capital, fuel, and operations and maintenance expenditures) of adopting the Clean Power Plan would exceed $100 billion by 2030, and reach almost $600 billion by 2050, assuming that pollution reductions continue to stay strong after 2030. Failure to adopt the Clean Power Plan would cause more than 40,000 premature deaths annually in 2030, and more than 120,000 per year by 2050. Energy Innovation came up with their estimates using the Energy Policy Simulator (EPS) open-source computer model.


Figure 4. Costs and benefits of the Clean Power Plan as estimated by the U.S. EPA. Image credit: U.S. EPA.

Repealing the Clean Power Plan won’t happen quickly
The Clean Power Plan will be difficult to undo quickly. The plan was finalized by EPA in 2015, and is currently being reviewed in the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit. Under the new executive order, the Department of Justice will ask the court to suspend the case until the EPA can review and write a new version of the rule. (Before that happens, the court may still rule on the Plan as written, which will influence how the EPA can rewrite the rule.) Once the case is removed from the court, the EPA will have to legally withdraw the existing rule and propose a new rule to take its place, a process that could take years, as the new rule will have to be justified in court, and would likely be challenged in court by environmental groups, according to an in-depth analysis by Brad Plumer at vox.com. In the meantime, nothing prevents states from continuing to reduce emissions by implementing renewable energy standards, efficiency programs, or cap-and-trade programs like exist in California and the Northeast. Thus, some of the benefits of the Clean Power Plan will happen regardless of Trump’s orders, and 31 states are on track to be more than halfway toward their near-term Clean Power Plan emission reduction requirements (Figure 5.)


Figure 5. A 2015 Union of Concerned Scientists (UCS) analysis showed that existing clean energy commitments already place 31 states on track to be more than halfway toward their near-term Clean Power Plan emission reduction requirements, with 21 states set to surpass them. These commitments include carbon caps, mandatory renewable electricity and energy efficiency standards, announced coal plant retirements, and bringing on line nuclear power plants currently under construction.

New executive order attacks the “social cost of carbon” 
The “social cost of carbon” is an estimate of how much human emissions of carbon dioxide cost society via damage to the climate. In 2015, this number was set at $36 per ton of carbon dioxide pollution, and the social cost of carbon underpins at least 150 federal regulations. The “social cost of carbon” tries to answers the question, “how much should we be willing to pay to avert future climate damages?” This number is highly uncertain, but is definitely not zero. Trump’s executive order calls for a reassessment of the social cost of carbon, with the aim of reducing it or entirely circumventing it. Carbonbrief.org has an excellent explainer on the “social cost of carbon”.

Automobile fuel efficiency standards to be reviewed 
President Trump, speaking in Detroit on March 15 to a group of autoworkers, said the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency will take action to potentially relax tough air pollution rules for cars and light trucks that were set to kick in between 2022 and 2025. A review of the rules was completed in 2016, ahead of a deadline in 2018. “It was necessary (to resume the review) because the standards were set far into the future," Trump said. "If the standards threaten auto jobs, then common sense changes could have — and should have — been made." The review opens up the possibility that the strict fuel economy regulations for 2022 - 2025 will be significantly weakened; it is relatively easy for the EPA to undo the regulations, according to a New York Times analysis. Once the 2017 review is finished, the EPA can withdraw the current rule for post-2021 emissions, and put forth an alternative set of standards within a year. The EPA may also withdraw a waiver that allows California (and other states that have joined it) to enforce stricter auto emissions standards than the federal government imposes. Air pollution from vehicles in the U.S. is responsible for about 26% of all U.S. air pollution deaths, so weakening of these regulations will likely result in thousands of premature deaths that would not have occurred otherwise—in addition to the thousands of deaths we can expect from a weakening of the Clean Power Plan.

U.S. Paris Climate Agreement commitments unlikely to be met 
Trump’s executive order and proposed budget make it clear that we can expect most of the efforts to reduce U.S. emissions of greenhouse gases under the Paris Climate Agreement to come under attack, and it is unlikely the U.S. pledge will be met. In that landmark agreement, the U.S. promised a 26 - 28% reduction in U.S. greenhouse gas emissions by 2025, as its fair share of the effort to keep global warming no more than 2°C above preindustrial levels (the generally accepted goal for avoiding dangerous impacts.) According to an excellent analysis by vox.com, the Clean Power Plan accounts for roughly one quarter of all the emission reductions promised by the U.S. as part of the 2015 Paris Climate Agreement. The other three-quarters of the reductions were to come primarily from stricter fuel economy stands for vehicles, tighter emission standards for new coal- and gas-fired power plants, new regulations to curtail methane leaks and limit methane from agriculture, energy efficiency measures, and initiatives to curtail hydrofluorocarbons (another potent greenhouse gas.)

Taken altogether, the numbers from these efforts don’t quite add up to the promised 26 - 28% reduction in greenhouse gases by 2025, said a 2015 World Resources Institute analysis—and thus additional actions beyond what Obama proposed would be needed. According to a 2016 paper, ”Assessment of the climate commitments and additional mitigation policies of the United States”, and the climateactiontracker.org web site, current U.S. policies, including the Clean Power Plan, would only reduce emissions by 9% below 2005 levels by 2025. A much more aggressive Clean Power Plan was being counted on, plus a whole host of "TBD" actions needed from President Obama’s successor. An excellent new analysis by the Rhodium Group predicts that Trump’s current executive orders and proposed budget will most likely result in a 14% reduction in U.S. greenhouse gas emissions below 2005 levels by 2025—far below the promised 26 - 28% reduction of the Paris Climate Accord. The Rhodium Group’s worst-case scenario—if further efforts to weaken greenhouse gas regulations occur, such as a rollback of automobile emission standards for the 2022 - 2025 period—was a 9% reduction in U.S. greenhouse gas emissions by 2025; their best-case scenario was a 17% reduction.


Figure 6. U.S. greenhouse gas emissions as projected in 2008 for a "business as usual" scenario (gray dotted line) and under the pledge made as part of the Paris Agreement (orange and green dotted lines). Image credit: Earth Institute/Columbia University.

Assault on methane emission rules 
Methane is also a major greenhouse gas, and Trump’s executive order directs efforts to reconsider and rewrite rules on methane emissions. This follows on the March 2, 2017 directive from the EPA to withdraw a 2016 Information Collection Request which directed existing oil and gas facilities to provide data needed to best reduce methane and other harmful emissions from the oil and natural gas industry. However, new methane rules will take years to rewrite and will have to suffer court challenges, and one state—California—voted on March 23 to approve new methane regulations that are the strictest ever adopted in the U.S.

More serious attacks on clean air and clean water likely coming 
Wunderground’s climate change blogger, Dr. Ricky Rood, in a 2017 editorial in EOS, warns that, “Following Trump’s rhetoric, we must be prepared to face efforts aimed at weakening the Clean Air Act itself. Also in the crosshairs are many other environmental statutes passed in the 1970s, such as the National Environmental Policy Act, the Clean Water Act, the Endangered Species Act, and the Safe Drinking Water Act. In terms of enduring impacts, weakening of these underlying statutes will be more consequential than scuttling the Clean Power Plan.” In an email to me, Dr. Rood said he believes that a rollback of auto emission standards will ultimately end up being more consequential to air pollution and the climate than a rollback of the Clean Power Plan. This will be because market forces are making it likely that the power generation industry will head towards renewable energy sources, but market forces are not acting that way on the auto industry—external regulation is needed to force emission reductions.

Links
The latest assault on climate science by House Republicans happens at 10 am EDT Wednesday, March 29, when the House Committee on Science, Space and Technology holds a 2-hour hearing titled, “Climate Science: Assumptions, Policy Implications, and the Scientific Method.” The Republicans have called three witnesses: Dr. Judith Curry, Dr. John Christy, and Dr. Roger Pielke, Jr., all of whom are unfriendly to climate science. The Democrats got to call one witness, Dr. Michael Mann of climate “hockeystick” fame. The hearing is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WM86Bl4jSEI.

Brad Plumer of vox.com has an excellent explainer on Trump’s executive order.

Follow the Climate Deregulation Tracker website to monitor efforts undertaken by the Trump administration to scale back or wholly eliminate federal climate mitigation and adaptation measures.

March Madness: Trump Proposes 31% Cut to EPA and Big Cuts to Climate Change Programs, my March 16 post

EPA Chief Denies Basic Climate Science
, my March 10 post

Commentary
"Together we are going to start a new energy revolution," Trump said, upon signing Tuesday’s executive order. However, his order promotes dirty and deadly 19th Century coal technology, instead of clean 21st Century renewable energy solutions like wind and solar power, making his remarks sadly preposterous. The name of his order, the “Energy Independence Executive Order” is also preposterous, since the U.S. doesn’t import coal, and the stated primary aim of the new order is to revive the coal industry (coal miners were on hand for the signing ceremony.)

In his first speech to Congress, Trump promised that his administration would work to “promote clean air and clean water.” This promise has been exposed as a blatant falsehood by his executive orders and proposed budget, which move us sharply in the opposite direction. By itself, a U.S. failure to make its emission reduction targets of the Paris Climate Agreement will not doom the world to a dangerous rise in temperature above the 2°C threshold. However, we’ll be lucky to hold global warming to an extremely dangerous 3°C above pre-industrial levels, even if all of the promises made by the 195 nations that signed the Paris Agreement are met. That agreement counted on strong additional actions and leadership by the biggest emitting nations to force additional cuts in greenhouse gas emissions. Lack of inspirational American leadership, as glaringly evident in Mr. Trump’s latest executive order, will hurt global efforts to meet even the grossly inadequate goal of keeping global warming below 3°C, increasing the odds that humanity will have to resort to desperate geoengineering efforts to keep climate mayhem from wrecking Earth as a livable planet for humans. We must resist and protest Trump’s assault on clean air and a livable climate as if our lives depend upon it—because they do.

Contact your House Representative
Contact your Senator

Jeff Masters

Climate Change Politics

The views of the author are his/her own and do not necessarily represent the position of The Weather Company or its parent, IBM.

Reader Comments

don't worry doc....just grab one of these and you'll be fine.......


hey bob and jeff did you here what happen tooo kelly and randy ?
i am still in shocked this Am
Quoting 3. thetwilightzone:

hey bob and jeff did you here what happen tooo kelly and randy ?


Yes, our thoughts and prayers go to the family and friends of the three storm chasers who were killed in an automobile accident in Texas yesterday.

Jeff Masters
Its not just Trump. Believe it or not, Pruitt is considered to be "too left" by those on the extreme right.

Pruitt takes fire from conservatives in climate showdown

EPA Administrator Scott Pruitt is coming under fire from conservatives amid a simmering behind-the-scenes fight over how far to take President Donald Trump's push to undo his predecessor's climate change agenda.

In discussions with the White House over the executive order Trump is scheduled to sign on Tuesday, Pruitt successfully argued against including language revoking the agency's 2009 “endangerment finding," according to two sources close to the issue.

The endangerment finding declared that greenhouse gas emissions threaten human health and welfare and made EPA legally responsible for regulating carbon dioxide. It later set in motion much of former President Barack Obama's climate agenda. To many conservative skeptics of mainstream climate science, overturning the finding is an essential first step toward successfully undoing Obama administration climate regulations on everything from power plants to vehicles.

But Pruitt, with the backing of several White House aides, argued in closed-door meetings that the legal hurdles to overturning the finding were massive, and the administration would be setting itself up for a lengthy court battle.
The courts will be really busy with this Executive (In)action

Long Legal Battles Ahead Over Trump’s Climate Order
Any chance we see a high risk day from the SPC tomorrow?
I live in El Paso which borders the Mexico city of Juarez. Thanks to NAFTA it became cheaper for companies to manufacture goods in Juarez than to upgrade their plants and meet the EPA standards in the US...,, we feel the effects here when the wind blows from the south and our air advisories are not from what is produced here but there. Sadly this may be a reality for all of America.



juarez smog
11. Ed22
I'm looking at ex-invest 90L, it looks like a Sub-tropical storm to me, Donald Trump is not worthy to be President; his approach to the world is ludicrous and wicked towards preserving Earth's environment for humans to live till God comes.
Trump's DEPOP program about to go full steam



As a fellow science barbarian, we need to all stand up and fight for what will be a better future for all of us. Stand up let your voice be heard.

INDIVISIBLE

Quoting 11. Ed22:

I'm looking at ex-invest 90L, it looks like a Sub-tropical storm to me, Donald Trump is not worthy to be President; his approach to the world is ludicrous and wicked towards preserving Earth's environment for humans to live till God comes.


trump is not the President he cheated his way in thanks too the help of russia he this dos not want too admit
Support candidates in these upcoming House of Representative elections that oppose Trump's actions on climate change. Send a message to other politicians that their seat may be in danger if they support Trump's actions.


California 34
Kansas 4
Georgia 6
South Carolina 5
Montana at-large
"Old MACDONALD had a farm
E-I-E-I-O"
"Presidential Executive Order on Promoting Energy Independence and Economic Growth"
E-I-E-I-O
Those of you not familiar with DEPOP, it is short for Depopulation

It's acronym for "Depopulate Every Person On Planet"
This administration makes me sick.
Quoting 18. ChiThom:

This administration makes me sick.


Literally.
No. Overpopulation is threatening to ruin our Earth. You can't blame this one on Trump. When you start speaking out against overpopulation, I'll start to take you seriously.
#Resist #Persist #Insist
#Resist #Persist #Insist
From previous blog:

Michael E. Mann:
@MichaelEMann

House Science Committee Hearing on "Climate Science" will be live-streamed here, Wednesday morning 10 AM ET: democrats.science.house.gov/hearing/climate-scien ce-assumptions-policy-implications-and-scientific- method

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See also:

Our planet is melting at both ends: Arctic and Antarctica hit record low ice extents

Thu, Mar 23, 2017



[...]

It’s rare in science you can say something with anything near 100% certainty. And yet, here we are: Climate change due to global warming is real, and it’s because of us. We add 40 billion tons of carbon dioxide, a greenhouse gas, into the air every year. This upsets the Earth’s natural heat balance, allowing a small amount of warming sunlight to stick around rather than get radiated out into space.

Our planet is heating up, humans are the reason, and we know this to be a fact. Yet our politicians in charge deny this very simple and critical truth [the House Committee on Science, Space, and Technology just announced a hearing on climate science for next week, and invited four scientists to testify; one is realist Michael Mann (invited by the minority Committee members, of course) and the other three are well-known figures who downplay the effects of global warming on climate], even going so far as to deny the incredibly basic science about greenhouse effects we’ve known for over a century.

We’ll be seeing more statements and legislation coming from this science-denying Congressional majority as time goes by. When it happens, I urge you to contact your Senators and Representatives. Let them know that climate change is real, it’s now, and not only is it a threat national security, but denial of it is a national security as well, and we have to do what we can to stop it.

Click here to read full article.

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Letter to Lamar Smith

March 28, 2017

The Committee on Science, Space & Technology of the US House of Representatives conducts regular evidence hearings on various science topics. On Wednesday 29th March, there is a hearing on “Climate science: assumptions, policy implications, and the scientific method”. The following letter, summarising the scientific findings of Fyfe et al. (2016) and Karl et al. (2015), has been submitted as evidence to this hearing.

The broader context is that the Committee Chairman, Mr. Lamar Smith, has previously discussed the findings of Fyfe et al. (of which I was a co-author), claiming: “A new peer-reviewed study, published in the journal Nature, confirms the halt in global warming”. This statement is incorrect, and motivated the clarification on what Fyfe et al. actually says.

Click here to read more.
Trump's order all by itself "threatens to Wreck Earth as a Livable Planet for Humans?"

What about the rest of the World? Trump has the ability to stop the destruction of the Earth by the rest of the World? Trump is responsible for China's population?
Trump is responsible for Third World Countries using manure for heat?
Trump is responsible for massive clear cutting of forests in South America?

There are 83 major countries in the World with more air pollution than the U.S.

Countries ranked by air pollution
Link

Ranked from most to least air pollution.

1. Mongolia
2. Botswana
3. Pakistan
4. Senegal
5. Saudi Arabia
6. Egypt
7. United Arab Emirates
8. Iran
9. Nigeria
10. Kuwait
11. Bangladesh
12. Bosnia and Herzegovina
13. India
14. Nepal
15. Ghana
16. China
17. Myanmar
18. Bolivia (Plurinational State of)
19. Tunisia
20. Sri Lanka
21. Peru
22. Colombia
23. The former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia
24. Madagascar
25. Turkey
26. United Republic of Tanzania
27. Chile
28. Republic of Korea
29. Bulgaria
30. Israel
31. Mexico
32. Indonesia
33. Cyprus
34. Lebanon
35. El Salvador
36. South Africa
37. .Jamaica
38. Guatemala
39. Philippines
40. Greece
41. Serbia
42. Algeria
43. Malaysia
44. Romania
45. Thailand
46. Venezuela
47. Brazil
48. Panama
49. Uruguay
50. Latvia
51. Argentina
52. Italy
53. Ecuador
54. Malta
55. Russian Federation
56. Croatia
57. Poland
58. Singapore
59. Slovenia
60. Spain
61. Czech Republic
62. Portugal
63. Costa Rica
64. Denmark
65. Slovakia
66. France
67. Hungary
68. Belgium
69. Netherlands
70. Sweden
71. Austria
72. Germany
73. Belarus
74. Iceland
75. United Kingdom
76. Japan
77. Norway
78. New Zealand
79. Switzerland
80. Lithuania
81. Finland
82. San Marino
83. Luxembourg
84. United States of America
85. Monaco
86. Bhutan
87. Ireland
88. Canada
89. Australia
90. Mauritius
91. Estonia



re:21. WU_601352
DEPOP as Rita pointed out.
re:
26. Sfloridacat5
Let's be last in the world then! :(
Quoting 20. keneschmidt3454:

The good people of the United States should not have to suffer idiots like these environmental wackos. I for one understand their lunacy and I also understand that their livelihood depends on government grants. I sincerely hope that President Trump continues with the removal of unnecessary regulation and that he pulls the wastefully moneys going to fund nut cases like these.


yes, because whats a few birth defects among friends.....

Air pollutants linked to higher risk of birth defects, researchers find

MAR 28 2013
Gary Shaw
Gary Shaw

Breathing traffic pollution in early pregnancy is linked to a higher risk for certain serious birth defects, according to new research from the Stanford University School of Medicine.

The finding comes from a study examining air quality and birth-defect data for women living in California’s San Joaquin Valley, one of the smoggiest regions of the country. “We found an association between specific traffic-related air pollutants and neural tube defects, which are malformations of the brain and spine,” said the study’s lead author, Amy Padula, PhD, a postdoctoral scholar in pediatrics. The research appears online today in the American Journal of Epidemiology.



now please start your car....walk around to the tailpipe and breath deeply..........


Quoting 26. Sfloridacat5:

Trump's order all by itself "threatens to wreck Earth?"

What about the rest of the World? Trump has the ability to stop the destruction of the Earth by the rest of the World?
There are 83 major countries in the World with more air pollution than the U.S.

Countries ranked by air pollution
Link

Ranked from most to least air pollution.

1. Mongolia
2. Botswana
...
snipped rest to save brain cells.



Oh yeah thats right... we are in a post-fact world now.... Mongolia and Botswana are drowning the planet in CO2 emissions. LOL!
Quoting 26. Sfloridacat5:

Trump's order all by itself "threatens to Wreck Earth as a Livable Planet for Humans?"

What about the rest of the World? Trump has the ability to stop the destruction of the Earth by the


per capita....we're number 2......

thank you trump fro trying to make america great again....we'll get there......because you all heard us cheering in the background....we're number one....we're number one
84!?!??!? No! Unacceptable! America needs to be the number 1 country to produce the most air pollution in the entire world! America First!!!!!

Side word: I can only pray for a worthy candidate for the 2020 election.
Quoting 30. OKsky:



Oh yeah thats right... we are in a post-fact world now.... Mongolia and Botswana are drowning the planet in CO2 emissions. LOL!


No we're living in a total fake news World where Trump is already being blamed for the end of the World.
The fact is this is total hyperbole and a last chance to grab attention before the site goes down.
Quoting 31. ricderr:



per capita....we're number 2......

thank you trump fro trying to make america great again....we'll get there......because you all heard us cheering in the background....we're number one....we're number one


That's after 8 years with Obama. Trump is already being blamed for the end of the World.
It is such hyperbole it's hard to even read.
Thanks for the very thorough blog attack on the new regulations towards the sooty past, doc. Little to add.

BTW, there is already some research on Trump's (carbon) footprint ;-)

World's biggest dinosaur footprints found ...

Apart from that:

I am an Arctic researcher. Donald Trump is deleting my citations
Victoria Herrmann, The Guardian, Tuesday 28 March 2017 11.00 BST
These politically motivated data deletions come at a time when the Arctic is warming twice as fast as the global average ...

EU leads attacks on Trump's rollback of Obama climate policy
Guardian, Tuesday 28 March 2017 22.59 BST
Europe poised to take baton from US as leader in global efforts to fight climate change, with America%u2019s commitment to Paris accords at risk

Only Sweden, Germany and France among EU are pursuing Paris climate goals, says study
Guardian, Tuesday 28 March 2017 12.58 BST
UK ranks fifth in table assessing EU actions to cut carbon emissions by 40%, with most countries gaining wiggle room via loopholes
Thank You Dr. for the very detailed breakdown of what is currently happening and the implications; several related points;

a) For anyone who might come on here to criticize this post, Dr. Masters can post with regard to any weather/environment related topic that he wants and given the fact this this is a science based forum, and that the threat raised by continued C02 emissions is real (and recognized as such by past administrations and law makers on both sides), we have every right to be outraged by these backwards moves by the Trump Administration;

b) We have to respect the outcome of the election (or should I say the electoral college) but I seriously doubt that those who voted for DT (on the primary platform of immigration, a stronger military response to Isis, and American jobs) thought that he was going to dismantle the EPA and the other environment points raised by this Blog.....You should be outraged as well that he is going too far;

c) The current American congress is being held hostage by the Freedom Caucus which unfortunately has many constituents of the right-wing conservative political and religious bent which includes an anti-science element (perhaps in favor of creationism). Nothing wrong with practicing your own religion in this Country, or your personal ideas, but the Constitution forbids religious ideology from ruling the day in American politics;

d) If Jesus was alive today, I believe that he would be an advocate for protecting the planet from fossil fuel exploitation, and destruction by Man, and for mandated universal health care for all.

Thank You.
re:
33. Sfloridacat5

The site is not going down. It's moving.
Quoting 34. Sfloridacat5:



That's after 8 years with Obama. Trump is already being blamed for the end of the World.
It is such hyperbole it's hard to even read.


This is why I don't even watch the news any longer. I can't take it anymore; this crap started with W, then moved on with Obama, and now it is with Trump. The over-emotional, the-world-is-ending, hyperbolic bullsh*t; it's just more than a sane person can tolerate.

Every American could drive an electric car and have solar panels on their roof.
That won't change the fact that a large part of the World is moving into their industrial revolution.
We (America) were allowed to prosper and develop.
We're going to tell third world countries they can't burn wood, manure, fossil fuels, etc.

To blame Trump for the current situation facing the World and to make the statement that Trump will "Wreck the Earth" is complete hyperbole and ridiculous to even claim.
Quoting 34. Sfloridacat5:



That's after 8 years with Obama. Trump is already being blamed for the end of the World.
It is such hyperbole it's hard to even read.


No, what it says it that further threatens the world. Come man, wake up. Trump, under his current guidance by the off the tracks far right is not going to help any but a very few.

There are real and significant issues that directly impact the health and welfare of millions of people. He and his current administration either don't understand this or don't care. Either way, they offer nothing for me to support.
Quoting 33. Sfloridacat5:



No we're living in a total fake news World where Trump is already being blamed for the end of the World.
The fact is this is total hyperbole and a last chance to grab attention before the site goes down.


Speaking of hyperbole.... disqus comments != site going down.
However, I can only hope that some on here don't believe that fact either and GTFO.
re:20. keneschmidt3454

Why do you hate good government?
ugh, i've listened to judith curry for 2 minutes and am struggling already

Quoting 38. nash36:



This is why I don't even watch the news any longer. I can't take it anymore; this crap started with W, then moved on with Obama, and now it is with Trump. The over-emotional, the-world-is-ending, hyperbolic bullsh*t; it's just more than a sane person can tolerate.





They know that it's all over for this blog so they might as well blame Trump for the end of the World while they've got the chance.

I have lost all respect for this blog with this absolutely ridiculous claim that has no validity what so ever.
It is 100% pure hyperbole and nothing more.
lol i hop the mods will be in here today i think this blog is going too get a little crazy today with this trump topic
Some people on here desperately need some Hans Rosling (RIP) in their lives.
Quoting 34. Sfloridacat5:



That's after 8 years with Obama. Trump is already being blamed for the end of the World.
It is such hyperbole it's hard to even read.


sf....yes..the headline is over the top...and this coming from the king of over the top sarcastic comments....however...the facts and dialog in the doc's post are not...and really...that's the meat of the topic....so rather than focus on the meat...you'll go off on the headline....
re:
39. Sfloridacat5
We're not going to tell the rest of the world what to do.
But if you live in the Middle East we're going to bomb the hell out of you.
is this the last blog dr m be for the move too the new site?


4 days too go
Quoting 45. Sfloridacat5:





They know that it's all over for this blog so they might as well blame Trump for the end of the World while they've got the chance.

I have lost all respect for this blog with this absolutely ridiculous claim that has no validity what so ever.
It is 100% pure hyperbole and nothing more.


You obviously have not grasped the seriousness of the situation that confronts us. Sad!
Quoting 25. keneschmidt3454:

The sky is falling!!!! The sky is falling!!! you people who post your opposition the President Trump need to grow up. Chicken little was just a fairy tail.


But our current situation isn't.
roger pielke jr. just said congress should not investigate any climate scientists ever, no matter what side they are on, as it is not their place! nice.
So much science disputes this presentation. What possible good is "cleaning" the air in the atmosphere above us at any one time when other countries are spewing harmful toxin into it in other parts of the globe. Are we to become the atmospheric police of the earth? To insinuate that CO2 is harmful is to insinuate H2O is harmful. Both are essential. Are floods harmful? Yes! Do their effects eventually subside? Yes! Same with this CO2 trend. It has fluctuated up and down, from extreme highs to extreme lows several times during the existence of our planet. Are we not still here? Yes! Are we to remain here forever? Probably not! Nothing is new under the sun. But if while we exist many are poor and dependent upon others for sustenance, what virtue is there in that? I personally applaud Trump's executive order as he takes great pride in furthering the future and doing so in a way that is not dependent on this questionable computer technology. Therein lies the root of the problem. Forecasts, models, presumptions, pure guessing, manipulation of statistics, doctoring of historical documents, false claims based on baseless assumptions, and men who place more creedence in man than in the Creator of all we are seduced to mimic.
56. bwi
Iceland has worse air pollution than the U.S.? Nice try, but ... wrong.

Quoting 26. Sfloridacat5:

Trump's order all by itself "threatens to Wreck Earth as a Livable Planet for Humans?"

What about the rest of the World? Trump has the ability to stop the destruction of the Earth by the rest of the World? Trump is responsible for China's population?
Trump is responsible for Third World Countries using manure for heat?
Trump is responsible for massive clear cutting of forests in South America?

There are 83 major countries in the World with more air pollution than the U.S.

Countries ranked by air pollution
Link

Ranked from most to least air pollution.

1. Mongolia
2. Botswana
3. Pakistan
4. Senegal
5. Saudi Arabia
6. Egypt
7. United Arab Emirates
8. Iran
9. Nigeria
10. Kuwait
11. Bangladesh
12. Bosnia and Herzegovina
13. India
14. Nepal
15. Ghana
16. China
17. Myanmar
18. Bolivia (Plurinational State of)
19. Tunisia
20. Sri Lanka
21. Peru
22. Colombia
23. The former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia
24. Madagascar
25. Turkey
26. United Republic of Tanzania
27. Chile
28. Republic of Korea
29. Bulgaria
30. Israel
31. Mexico
32. Indonesia
33. Cyprus
34. Lebanon
35. El Salvador
36. South Africa
37. .Jamaica
38. Guatemala
39. Philippines
40. Greece
41. Serbia
42. Algeria
43. Malaysia
44. Romania
45. Thailand
46. Venezuela
47. Brazil
48. Panama
49. Uruguay
50. Latvia
51. Argentina
52. Italy
53. Ecuador
54. Malta
55. Russian Federation
56. Croatia
57. Poland
58. Singapore
59. Slovenia
60. Spain
61. Czech Republic
62. Portugal
63. Costa Rica
64. Denmark
65. Slovakia
66. France
67. Hungary
68. Belgium
69. Netherlands
70. Sweden
71. Austria
72. Germany
73. Belarus
74. Iceland
75. United Kingdom
76. Japan
77. Norway
78. New Zealand
79. Switzerland
80. Lithuania
81. Finland
82. San Marino
83. Luxembourg
84. United States of America
85. Monaco
86. Bhutan
87. Ireland
88. Canada
89. Australia
90. Mauritius
91. Estonia



Im still laughing at the mongolia thing.... I know! LETS BUILD A WALL! LMAO
Quoting 50. thetwilightzone:

is this the last blog dr m be for the move too the new site?


4 days too go


There will be at least two more posts, including my usual April Fool's Day post.

Jeff Masters
Thank you so much for posting this. I have been contacting my senators and representative a lot lately. I first did it in June 2016 because I had a problem unrelated to politics and Senator Tammy Baldwin helped out. Since the election I have done it once a week and now if I have a couple extra hours while driving I give their staffers an earful. The first couple times its a bit nerve wracking but now I'm comfortable with it. You feel good after you do this a few times.
re:
55. WU_783252
You're wrong again, but you are allowed to speak for yourself. Ain't America great?
Here is the actual data... collected by the soon to be defunct EPA, so this might be the last time we have such data easily available.
source (I know.. crazy concept)
EDIT: removed table because it didn't embed well... but it was the table found in my source link
I have read this blog religiously every day for years. Without question, this is the worst, least scientific headline ever. I had to check to the date to confirm this wasn't Dr. Masters' annual April Fools Day post.

Over-the-top messages like this do tremendous harm to the climate change debate. Simply put, we lose our credibility as climate scientists. Climate change is real, caused by humans, and bad. Let's stick with the facts rather than outrageous political messaging not based in science.

I ask you this: How much will President Trump's move raise global temperatures within the next 100 years, as compared to What President Obama was doing? Will that difference really make the planet uninhabitable?
Quoting 58. JeffMasters:



There will be at least two more posts, including my usual April Fool's Day post.

Jeff Masters




thanks dr m any idea what the new format is going too looks like on the new site a few of us have the idea that the site will be moveing too a disqus format is this ture or not ?
re:
61. OKsky
Thanks for clearing it up for us. :)
Quoting 26. Sfloridacat5:

Trump's order all by itself "threatens to Wreck Earth as a Livable Planet for Humans?"

What about the rest of the World? CHOMP


Did they take that Mongolian air pollution reading in a sandstorm? Thanks to Trump, fuel economy standards will be ignored, automakers will not invest in R&D, we will use more oil, and prices of oil goes up. Then Russia can pay for its nuclear ambitions. Just throwing it out there.
Quite sad to see what Trump is doing. Hopefully he won't be in office for more than 1 term and his actions can be reveresed in the future. Thanks for the heavily detailed post Dr. Masters!

Today's severe weather outlook:





Large area of a 10% tornado chance with a hatched area too! Could see some significant tornadoes today.
Quoting 6. daddyjames:

Its not just Trump. Believe it or not, Pruitt is considered to be "too left" by those on the extreme right.

Pruitt takes fire from conservatives in climate showdown

EPA Administrator Scott Pruitt is coming under fire from conservatives amid a simmering behind-the-scenes fight over how far to take President Donald Trump's push to undo his predecessor's climate change agenda.

In discussions with the White House over the executive order Trump is scheduled to sign on Tuesday, Pruitt successfully argued against including language revoking the agency's 2009 %u201Cendangerment finding," according to two sources close to the issue.

The endangerment finding declared that greenhouse gas emissions threaten human health and welfare and made EPA legally responsible for regulating carbon dioxide. It later set in motion much of former President Barack Obama's climate agenda. To many conservative skeptics of mainstream climate science, overturning the finding is an essential first step toward successfully undoing Obama administration climate regulations on everything from power plants to vehicles.

But Pruitt, with the backing of several White House aides, argued in closed-door meetings that the legal hurdles to overturning the finding were massive, and the administration would be setting itself up for a lengthy court battle.


What I highlighted is the first thing that this administration has gotten right. The Supreme Court has already ruled, twice, that the EPA MUST regulate CO2 emissions. The far right, anti-environmental movement does not seem to care what is the law of the land. I already expect to see many legal challenges brought against this administration on environmental protection issues that this administration is laying waste to.
Quoting 55. WU_783252:

So much science disputes this presentation. What possible good is "cleaning" the air in the atmosphere above us at any one time when other countries are spewing harmful toxin into it in other parts of the globe.


because the atmosphere is one connected system, it really doesn't care about borders. what other countries are or arent doing shouldnt matter. there will be people in every country fighting for the environment, this is why india and china are doing much better at implementing much better renewable energy sources than anyone in north america is doing.


Are we to become the atmospheric police of the earth? To insinuate that CO2 is harmful is to insinuate H2O is harmful. Both are essential.

also if you drink too much water you will die. co2 isnt harmful! to some things, and it is to others. it is a heat trapping gas however (if you dispute that then youre wrong, and any conversation will go nowhere) and if theres more of it in the atmosphere, then the temperature will rise as it traps reradiate heat energy waves from the sun that have been reflected off of earths surface.


Are floods harmful? Yes! Do their effects eventually subside? Yes! Same with this CO2 trend. It has fluctuated up and down, from extreme highs to extreme lows several times during the existence of our planet.

it's not about the fluctuations, you are correct in that statement. it is the rate of change. nearly 130 ppm in 200 years, that is the blink of an eye in earths long history. the atmosphere can deal with natural fluctuations to co2, what we are adding is NOT natural.


Are we not still here? Yes! Are we to remain here forever? Probably not! Nothing is new under the sun. But if while we exist many are poor and dependent upon others for sustenance, what virtue is there in that? I personally applaud Trump's executive order as he takes great pride in furthering the future and doing so in a way that is not dependent on this questionable computer technology. Therein lies the root of the problem. Forecasts, models, presumptions, pure guessing, manipulation of statistics, doctoring of historical documents, false claims based on baseless assumptions, and men who place more creedence in man than in the Creator of all we are seduced to mimic.


do you know how phenomenally magical it is that we can forecast weather like we do now? it's not perfect because the atmosphere is extremely complex and interwoven with all the other earth spheres (bio, geo and hydro) so people get it wrong sometimes. but when we get it right, it's because the language of earth is spoken to us through things like math and physics. and we are smart enough to understand that language. you want to never look at a weather forecast again and try and just guess what's going to happen, and how that's going to affect the lives of you and the others around you? good luck then because even praying to a Creator wont help you. you know how many people are dead around the world because they trusted in god? instead of trusting in scientists who spend their lives researching different areas that could improve all of our lives..your right, the mods gonna need to be on hand today, because this stuff is literally about the future of all of us, and people get very passionate.

just try and understand how much science has given us already, when you discount this part of science because it is truly effed up, and tragic to wrap your head around the idea that we are part of this beautiful world, and some of us (all of us..unless you live off the land in a bush) are actively engaging in slow motion mass suicide.
No lower level Gulf flow in place yet but some upper level cooler, and very dry, air rotating in from LA to the Florida Panhandle region. Hopefully, that might help lessen some of the baroclinic instability later in the day:


/data/atmosphere/hdwinds/amv/IRNHE13.GIF

Fig. 1 shows most Americans don't give a damn.
Quoting 20. keneschmidt3454:

The good people of the United States should not have to suffer idiots like these environmental wackos. I for one understand their lunacy and I also understand that their livelihood depends on government grants. I sincerely hope that President Trump continues with the removal of unnecessary regulation and that he pulls the wastefully moneys going to fund nut cases like these.


I would suggest that you do not understand nearly what it is that you think that you understand. Wrong information will lead you towards a wrong understanding, every time.
Quoting 55. WU_783252:

So much science disputes this presentation. What possible good is "cleaning" the air in the atmosphere above us at any one time when other countries are spewing harmful toxin into it in other parts of the globe. Are we to become the atmospheric police of the earth? To insinuate that CO2 is harmful is to insinuate H2O is harmful. Both are essential. Are floods harmful? Yes! Do their effects eventually subside? Yes! Same with this CO2 trend. It has fluctuated up and down, from extreme highs to extreme lows several times during the existence of our planet. Are we not still here? Yes! Are we to remain here forever? Probably not! Nothing is new under the sun. But if while we exist many are poor and dependent upon others for sustenance, what virtue is there in that? I personally applaud Trump's executive order as he takes great pride in furthering the future and doing so in a way that is not dependent on this questionable computer technology. Therein lies the root of the problem. Forecasts, models, presumptions, pure guessing, manipulation of statistics, doctoring of historical documents, false claims based on baseless assumptions, and men who place more creedence in man than in the Creator of all we are seduced to mimic.

We'll all die together, happyyyyyy :)
Except you'll have to come hunt me. And you will, because I am living proof you are so totally wrong.
Note to mods - the trolls come out on posts like this. So after publication mods can follow things for a couple of hours and return them to the internet oblivion where they belong.

Until, of course, they shut down this blog, which is a very real possibility, and dump the owners plus a number of posters in the camps, which is also a very real possiblity (and I won't be warning you as of pretty soon).
Quoting 21. WU_601352:

No. Overpopulation is threatening to ruin our Earth. You can't blame this one on Trump. When you start speaking out against overpopulation, I'll start to take you seriously.


Mother Nature already is very efficient in its dealing with the over population of any species. Our own actions, with the further pronounced aid from the current administration, is helping Mother Nature along with population reduction. What are your suggestions for dealing with over population?
Quoting 21. WU_601352:

No. Overpopulation is threatening to ruin our Earth. You can't blame this one on Trump. When you start speaking out against overpopulation, I'll start to take you seriously.

What do you intend to do about it?
That's where I become interested.
Compare the winds charts below to that big low off the Eastern Seaboard that TWC was discussing last evening; essentially a huge Nor'Easter that is going to miss the NE US (thankfully) because it is so far out but headed towards the Canadian maritimes; all of that warm Atlantic surface flow is really feeding the current convection:

/data/atmosphere/hdwinds/amv/IRNHE14.GIF


Quoting 76. Some1Has2BtheRookie:



Mother Nature already is very efficient in its dealing with the over population of any species. Our own actions, with the further pronounced aid from the current administration, is helping Mother Nature along with population reduction. What are your suggestions for dealing with over population?


Let the cards fall as they may...
Quoting 71. cRRKampen:

Fig. 1 shows most Americans don't give a damn.

It seems to me that fig. 1 shows that more than 60% of U.S. are concerned. :/
The sky is falling folks, literally

The title of this post is not "hyperbole" or even misleading, as a few here are claiming. The key word here is "threaten" and yes, Trump's executive order DOES threaten the habitability of our planet. It isn't just about how much greenhouse gas our country produces (it's a lot) but it's more about our ability to lead the world in research in renewable and clean energy. We have the most money, we have the most technology, and we have the ability to attract the world's greatest minds to our country (that aren't already here). The clean power plan was quite literally forcing our country to develop cleaner power, which would not only have led the world by example, but would have allowed us to export those technologies to all the other countries in this world.

So yes, Trump's destruction of the clean power plan DOES threaten our planet because it will absolutely have a rippling effect across the world. What we do here changes everything, for better or worse, that's what happens when you become the world's only super power.
Basing much of a scientific opinion on polls is not inherently scientific. Dr. Masters is politically motivated, and using terms like "wreck[ing] the Earth for ... humans" is grandstanding and wholly irresponsible, particularly for a doctor, who ought to be more objective and balanced. Blanket, apocalyptic statements help to keep him in the discussion in a very public way, but ignore the natural buffering capabilities in nature, which are VERY substantial, as well as the natural cyclical changes in climate, which man can do nothing whatsoever to influence.
we gonna make black lung great again
remember to sign your black lung waiver upon completion of the coal digger application
thanks for the read doc I think
Quoting 75. cRRKampen:

Note to mods - the trolls come out on posts like this. So after publication mods can follow things for a couple of hours and return them to the internet oblivion where they belong.

Until, of course, they shut down this blog, which is a very real possibility, and dump the owners plus a number of posters in the camps, which is also a very real possiblity (and I won't be warning you as of pretty soon).



I'm sorry....what?? Is the purpose of the moderators to ban every post that doesn't agree with you?
The Human induced climate change Warming from Humans burning Fossil Fuels to power our Societies continues,

Un-abated.



Quoting 80. ChiThom:


It seems to me that fig. 1 shows that more than 60% of U.S. are concerned. :/

That's what they (and Aussies) say and it's a big lie. They do not give a flying sh*t. Proof: elected Trump, elected the coal shill govt of Australia for its second term.
My country shows the same pathology.

Paradise 2.0 is around the corner. I just hope the thugs make it snappy.
Quoting 86. WU-702642:



I'm sorry....what?? Is the purpose of the moderators to ban every post that doesn't agree with you?

Climate revisionism is criminal.
I do not agree with criminality and no-one should.
Quoting 83. craiginsd:

Basing much of a scientific opinion on polls is not inherently scientific. Dr. Masters is politically motivated, and using terms like "wreck[ing] the Earth for ... humans" is grandstanding and wholly irresponsible, particularly for a doctor, who ought to be more objective and balanced. Blanket, apocalyptic statements help to keep him in the discussion in a very public way, but ignore the natural buffering capabilities in nature, which are VERY substantial, as well as the natural cyclical changes in climate, which man can do nothing whatsoever to influence.


I suggest you get a book on basic atmospheric dynamics. If you read it, you will come to find out that

1. The current warming trend is not part of a natural cycle, if anything we should be cooling right now due to low solar activity.

2. The planet can do nothing to stop warming caused by increased concentrations of green house gases in the atmosphere. There are plenty of natural heat sinks on this planet, but that won't stop the planet from retaining more thermal energy. The planet will always hit an equilibrium (energy balance) regardless of those "natural buffering capabilities".

3. Global warming will wreck the habitability of the planet if it isn't stopped, period. You quickly change the environment across the globe and you'll see substantial ecological collapses.
Possible Weather forecast for the future:

Increasing extreme weather events
Warmer temperatures
Stronger hurricanes
Increasing offseason tropical activity
Higher seas, tides, and storm surges
SMOG!

Quoting 87. Patrap:

The Human induced climate change Warming from Humans burning Fossil Fuels to power our Societies continues,

Un-abated.






Unabated and actively promoted at this point.
Quoting 81. RitaEvac:

The sky is falling folks, literally




It is getting very dark over by Hobby right now. The sky is really dark just to the west of here. I think that we are about to get wet.
Quoting 90. pipelines:



[..]3. Global warming will wreck the habitability of the planet if it isn't stopped, period. You quickly change the environment across the globe and you'll see substantial ecological collapses.

They don't care, or they actually from some warped religious motive want this to happen. See the work they are putting into it, see the governments they elect for, see the Keeling Curve.
You need to adress these people from these facts. They laugh at you for your suggestion of reading some bona fide stuff. They've been doing that for decades.

And we have a lot of us, not including me, to thank for this. Because we (not me) were always too nice to call it 'ignorance' or something like that, instead of the outright crime climate revisionism is.

All the trolls here are instrumental in killing the coral and killing our very habitat.
That is the way they are to be viewed.
1.6 million population in the warning area:

Quoting 25. keneschmidt3454:

The sky is falling!!!! The sky is falling!!! you people who post your opposition the President Trump need to grow up. Chicken little was just a fairy tail.
Your "president" is a feckless cuckhold. His actions are merely self-serving and will hurt most people in this country. I'd say his ideas too, but he is devoid of them, having [redacted] for brains. He and his small hands can kiss my [redacted]. You can too if you support this orange-dyed failboat.
Live coverage of possible tornado in Houston
Link
Quoting 64. thetwilightzone:




thanks dr m any idea what the new format is going too looks like on the new site a few of us have the idea that the site will be moveing too a disqus format is this ture or not ?
Quoting 95. cRRKampen:


They don't care, or they actually from some warped religious motive want this to happen. See the work they are putting into it, see the governments they elect for, see the Keeling Curve.
You need to adress these people from these facts. They laugh at you for your suggestion of reading some bona fide stuff. They've been doing that for decades.

And we have a lot of us, not including me, to thank for this. Because we (not me) were always too nice to call it 'ignorance' or something like that, instead of the outright crime climate revisionism is.

All the trolls here are instrumental in killing the coral and killing our very habitat.
That is the way they are to be viewed.


The biggest mistake seems to be in the thinking that once people understood the science then they would also understand the situation that we face with climate change. Scientific evidence does not seem to be held to the same high standard that too many people would unquestioningly give to their personal ideologies.
You Trumpers are either in denial or stupid.

Which is it?

It seems folks are getting enraged, if you push too much, you will fall in the DEPOP program which is secretly the plan. Get you all riled up and enraged and the only option is for you all to go down for the dirtnap as the final option.
Quoting 101. BaltOCane:

You Trumpers are either in denial or stupid.

Which is it?




Why can't it be both? ;)
facepalm
Quoting 98. bigwes6844:

Live coverage of possible tornado in Houston
Link
I hate to say it because of the people involved, but one of the best things that could happen now would be a massive outbreak of tornadoes and flooding rains on Houston, destroying the port and petroleum infrastructure completely. And not just Houston. Nature will some day take a hand in remedying the ills of warming, and if it starts now there is a chance of reducing the impact of fossil fuels.
Hellava rain through here in downtown Houston, never seen it that bad. Total whiteout and night out and couldn't see buildings block away, sheets of rain was like smoke blowing in the wind. Light rain now.
Quoting 106. CaneFreeCR:

I hate to say it because of the people involved, but one of the best things that could happen now would be a massive outbreak of tornadoes and flooding rains on Houston, destroying the port and petroleum infrastructure completely. And not just Houston. Nature will some day take a hand in remedying the ills of warming, and if it starts now there is a chance of reducing the impact of fossil fuels.


Sorry, it passed thru, everything still standing, and big oil still churning out profits and oil
Quoting 111. Some1Has2BtheRookie:



I am getting heavy rains here as well, just south of downtown. It is starting to moderate a bit now.


Not much south of Houston, falling apart. Security came on the ceiling speaker at office and told us to stay in place and not use elevators because of the tornado warning.
Quoting 115. RitaEvac:



Not much south of Houston, falling apart. Security came on the ceiling speaker at office and told us to stay in place and not use elevators because of the tornado warning.


I am still getting light to moderate rain here, but it has nearly come to an end..
Quoting 21. WU_601352:

No. Overpopulation is threatening to ruin our Earth. You can't blame this one on Trump. When you start speaking out against overpopulation, I'll start to take you seriously.


Yeah, you can:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/23/world/trump-ba n-foreign-aid-abortions.html?_r=0

Ever noticed how Republicans and religion tends to stand in the way of a sustainable Earth?
I have.
Quoting Jeff Masters:

"The Republicans have called three witnesses: Dr. Judith Curry, Dr. John Christy, and Dr. Roger Pielke, Jr., all of whom are unfriendly to climate science."

Video of hard core denier Roger Tattersall known by his online persona “Tallbloke”, giving Judith Curry a “Climate Scientist of the Year Award” at a dinner in Lisbon (the “Award” is a T-shirt depicting Climate Science as a trash bin):

I know I only post during hurricane season but I am concerned as to what exactly is about to happen to this blog... I have been watching since I was 15, and a member forever. But with things changing, just curious as to how this will be moving forward, good or bad. I don't want anyone to post anything disrespectful but we have all been on here forever and it would be a tragedy if this all were to come to an end. What do we do moving forward? Hope all is well for everyone who I have befriended on the blog and I hope I get to keep talking to you all!
Gotta love the hard-right and the hard-left;

If you don't agree with them 100% on doomsday, in either direction, you are now (and should be viewed as) a criminal.

I don't care what "party" you belong to, though I find the very thought of belonging to any one of the criminal parties abhorrent; when you have collectively lost your mind and you peg people as criminals for questioning the severity of climate change, you've done gone 'round the bend. But you already knew that, didn't you?
Quoting 106. CaneFreeCR:

I hate to say it because of the people involved, but one of the best things that could happen now would be a massive outbreak of tornadoes and flooding rains on Houston, destroying the port and petroleum infrastructure completely. And not just Houston. Nature will some day take a hand in remedying the ills of warming, and if it starts now there is a chance of reducing the impact of fossil fuels.

Not enough. Maimi off the map, too. And a number of other western cities. Tomorrow, please.
Only chance to save even those thugs called climate revisionists.
Sub-surface Anoms. EQ Pac.

"Those who spread the misinformation and outright lies of the climate denial industry, are useful idiots of some of history’s coldest and greediest killers."

― Peter Sinclair
Quoting 120. nash36:

Gotta love the hard-right and the hard-left;

If you don't agree with them 100% on doomsday, in either direction, you are now (and should be viewed as) a criminal.

I don't care what "party" you belong to, though I find the very thought of belonging to any one of the criminal parties abhorrent; when you have collectively lost your mind and you peg people as criminals for questioning the severity of climate change, you've done gone 'round the bend. But you already knew that, didn't you?

You have the warning. Heed it or don't, I don't care.
Quoting 119. RavensFan:

I know I only post during hurricane season but I am concerned as to what exactly is about to happen to this blog... I have been watching since I was 15, and a member forever. But with things changing, just curious as to how this will be moving forward, good or bad. I don't want anyone to post anything disrespectful but we have all been on here forever and it would be a tragedy if this all were to come to an end. What do we do moving forward? Hope all is well for everyone who I have befriended on the blog and I hope I get to keep talking to you all!

It will still be here during Hurricane season, at least for now. Anyways I am going to leave the blog until something interesting pops up again sense I do not see 90L doing anything, plus I got banned 2 times, 2nd time it was for apologizing for the first time (I probably just earned my self a ban for saying how stupid of a reason that was) so I need a break. Also I do not want to talk politics, just some good ol weather no political bias seems like the only time to do that here is during Hurricane season so yeah see you guys when something pops up
If your questioning the science behind the warming..,one has to have facts basedin reality and peer reviewed for decades. They do not exist. The cause and effect is clear. Its not a difficult thing to render using some logic and education.

If not, you're impeding the road forward.

Why would anyone impede their offspring and generations down the line from Having the World we had decades ago.

This is not the atmosphere of my yute at all.


Independently Speaking as always.


Science is above the din of politics.

ALWAYS.




Quoting 58. JeffMasters:



There will be at least two more posts, including my usual April Fool's Day post.

Jeff Masters



hey Doc I'd like some confirmation from you

are we switching over to Disqus
No wind/storm reports yet over the past 3 hours; have to see if we get a repeat of yesterday afternoon and evening with additional day-time heating and the Jet moving cross the warned areas:




last3hours Filtered Reports Graphic
Quoting 103. Some1Has2BtheRookie:



Why can't it be both? ;)

Because all of them have had some education and some history and know better.
So it is neither.
It is nefarious and the thing that really stinks is: it is proud of it.
Link

Storm chasers killed in west Texas. Just terrible.
SPC just updated today's convective outlook and increased the 10% tornado area and moved the hatched area slightly north:

Previous:


Current:


Stay safe if you're in the affected areas, could see quite a few tornadoes - with the potential for some to be strong.
Quoting 21. WU_601352:

No. Overpopulation is threatening to ruin our Earth. You can't blame this one on Trump. When you start speaking out against overpopulation, I'll start to take you seriously.


No, that is cheap cop out deniers use to distract from the fundamental problem that without a stable climate then there won't be anything such thing as a sustainable population.

When you change the climate, even at regional scales, it changes the population that can be supported. Less arable land = less food = less supportable population. Less areas conducive to human habitation = less livable areas = less supportable population. Decreasing biodiversity = less support for essential species (flora and fauna) = less supportable population.
Quoting 100. Some1Has2BtheRookie:



The biggest mistake seems to be in the thinking that once people understood the science then they would also understand the situation that we face with climate change. Scientific evidence does not seem to be held to the same high standard that too many people would unquestioningly give to their personal ideologies.

Not even real life individually experienced evidence seems to be.
Not even the killing of the Barrier Reef, or rather all the coral seems to be.
There is something much stronger at work here than mere 'mistake'.
Quoting 83. craiginsd:

Basing much of a scientific opinion on polls is not inherently scientific. Dr. Masters is politically motivated, and using terms like "wreck[ing] the Earth for ... humans" is grandstanding and wholly irresponsible, particularly for a doctor, who ought to be more objective and balanced. Blanket, apocalyptic statements help to keep him in the discussion in a very public way, but ignore the natural buffering capabilities in nature, which are VERY substantial, as well as the natural cyclical changes in climate, which man can do nothing whatsoever to influence.

You hit the nail right on the head.
Quoting 33. Sfloridacat5:



No we're living in a total fake news World where Trump is already being blamed for the end of the World.
The fact is this is total hyperbole and a last chance to grab attention before the site goes down.


That's your hyperbole. Trump's policies are nothing but idiotic and destructive. That's just cold hard objective facts.
Quoting 136. Xyrus2000:



That's your hyperbole. Trump's policies are nothing but idiotic and destructive. That's just cold hard objective facts.

Oh I get it, you are talking about "alternative facts".
Where in the past has any species dug up naturally sequestered carbon stored safely in the ground by NATURE, dug it up and burned it en masse to change the atmosphere of the planet?

If you can answer that, I'll be at the Nobel Prize audience with you. I'll even pay yer way.


One can bloviate on nothing, and it change's nothing. What any single Human or group thinks about the subject is moot as to the reality we face and the physics involved.

Like Andre 3000's mgr said in Hey Now'.."Greyhounds don't float on water"

Every hour a day 365/7 we pour 400,000 tonnes of CO2 into the biosphere.

Yeah Us!


This is the story of how one species changed a Planet.






Quoting 45. Sfloridacat5:





They know that it's all over for this blog so they might as well blame Trump for the end of the World while they've got the chance.


Bovine excrement. The site isn't going down. It's moving to a new format.

The blog isn't blaming Trump for the end of the world either. That's your heavily biased and hyperbolic nonsense. What the blog does lay out in detail (that you apparently didn't read) is what Trump's destructive policies will do and what the ongoing impacts of said stupidity will be.

Quoting 45. Sfloridacat5:
I have lost all respect for this blog with this absolutely ridiculous claim that has no validity what so ever.
It is 100% pure hyperbole and nothing more.


No validity? Sean Spicer, is that you? What in the blog entry is hyperbolic? Which statements aren't valid? Please enlighten us.
How come I was banned for like a at most 3 message dispute yesterday and people are fighting over politics on a weather site?
Banns are a badge of courage, and lack of self control usually as well. I've had 77 in 11.5 years.


Infighting and personal attacks are not tolerated and being gulity on occasion, I live with it easily.


We all werks in progress.

Quoting 139. Xyrus2000:



Bovine excrement. The site isn't going down. It's moving to a new format.

The blog isn't blaming Trump for the end of the world either. That's your heavily biased and hyperbolic nonsense. What the blog does lay out in detail (that you apparently didn't read) is what Trump's destructive policies will do and what the ongoing impacts of said stupidity will be.



No validity? Sean Spicer, is that you? What in the blog entry is hyperbolic? Which statements aren't valid? Please enlighten us.


Ack,
Quoting 137. hotroddan:


Oh I get it, you are talking about "alternative facts".


The only thing "alternative" here is your grasp of reality.

Please elaborate how eliminating policies and regulations in regards to environmental and climatological protections isn't idiotic or destructive.

Perhaps you can take some pointers from the Mindless Mango and make pollution sound like a good thing. You know, like how dumping coal ash waste into rivers is simply "replenishing what we took out of the Earth". Or "since when does a little lead in drinking water hurt anybody". Or "we don't need to spend any money shoring up coastal cities because flooding keeps the streets clean".

I'm really interested in the logic behind "More pollution is a good thing". Because here in reality, that's just plain [redacted] stupid.
Quoting 55. WU_783252:

So much science disputes this presentation. What possible good is "cleaning" the air in the atmosphere above us at any one time when other countries are spewing harmful toxin into it in other parts of the globe. Are we to become the atmospheric police of the earth? To insinuate that CO2 is harmful is to insinuate H2O is harmful. Both are essential. Are floods harmful? Yes! Do their effects eventually subside? Yes! Same with this CO2 trend. It has fluctuated up and down, from extreme highs to extreme lows several times during the existence of our planet. Are we not still here? Yes! Are we to remain here forever? Probably not! Nothing is new under the sun. But if while we exist many are poor and dependent upon others for sustenance, what virtue is there in that? I personally applaud Trump's executive order as he takes great pride in furthering the future and doing so in a way that is not dependent on this questionable computer technology. Therein lies the root of the problem. Forecasts, models, presumptions, pure guessing, manipulation of statistics, doctoring of historical documents, false claims based on baseless assumptions, and men who place more creedence in man than in the Creator of all we are seduced to mimic.

I agree that GW is not going to be an extinction level event but it is still a serious problem with dire consequences for the entire global population. You may doubt models but the science behind global warming is not just complex calculations they are actually simple equations which predict rises in temperature. Scientists are sure of this as are most other countries and most of the population, and Trump is not looking to the future he is fighting the tide to sink deeper into the sea
Quoting 120. nash36:

Gotta love the hard-right and the hard-left;

If you don't agree with them 100% on doomsday, in either direction, you are now (and should be viewed as) a criminal.

I don't care what "party" you belong to, though I find the very thought of belonging to any one of the criminal parties abhorrent; when you have collectively lost your mind and you peg people as criminals for questioning the severity of climate change, you've done gone 'round the bend. But you already knew that, didn't you?

I just think it's a shame that so many look to the government as the solution. If we, the people, were to reduce our consumption, the lure of money by the producers would diminish.
Trump’s Executive Order Threatens to Wreck Earth as a Livable Planet for Humans

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

Talk about fear mongering!
The CO2 at Mauna Loa hit an all time [recent times] high of 409.47 yesterday with a few weeks of likely higher readings ahead.

Link
Quoting 147. 999Ai2016:

Feeling the Effects of Climate Change - Before the Flood:



....As he's flying in his private jet
Quoting 135. hotroddan:


You hit the nail right on the head.


No, he didn't. Is reading comprehension taught in schools anymore?

The entire blog post goes through the consequences of Trumps destructive policies based on current data and science.

Blind dismissal is a tactic of deniers and, quite frankly, this administration. If you disagree with a factual statement, then point out specifically what is incorrect. Claiming bias and hyperbole without any substantive argument to support such a claim is what lazy willfully ignorant cowards (and trolls) do.

The blog authors put time and effort into researching and writing these entries. The least you can do is actually read the entry and at least try to come up with something more than ignorant troll drivel.
152. JDMot
Prepare to MARCH GREEN on April 29th. Get Up-Stand Up-Don't Give Up the Fight...jdm
Quoting 125. Icybubba:


It will still be here during Hurricane season, at least for now. Anyways I am going to leave the blog until something interesting pops up again sense I do not see 90L doing anything, plus I got banned 2 times, 2nd time it was for apologizing for the first time (I probably just earned my self a ban for saying how stupid of a reason that was) so I need a break. Also I do not want to talk politics, just some good ol weather no political bias seems like the only time to do that here is during Hurricane season so yeah see you guys when something pops up


I much prefer weather to politics. See you during the season buddy! I'll lurk until then!
Having Hollywood actors ACTORS! is not the way to push climate change. I don't listen to a word those people say. They are not in the real world, they don't get up and go to work everyday, they don't know what's going on. Their job is to entertain and entertain only, while we, the real people make the world work. (while they live the high life on the backs of us making everything convenient for them)
Trump’s Attack on Clean Power Puts Public Health and Hundreds of Thousands of Energy Jobs at Risk
Yesterday, Donald Trump, much like that famous Luddite Don Quixote, decided to go to war with clean energy. But unlike Don Quixote, Trump did so with full knowledge that he was also fighting to rob us of our best hopes of putting millions of Americans to work for clean air and a livable climate.

Link
Please enjoy the heartland memes currently flowing thru, as the disqus event to come will steel the logical and Honorable among the community here.

Im going with the Obi Wan Kenobi mantra.


"These are not the bot's yer looking for, you can move yer sentient conversation along'....



Denial Stormtroopers never make it to the end of the film anyway.

: P
Quoting 145. all4hurricanes:


I agree that GW is not going to be an extinction level event but it is still a serious problem with dire consequences for the entire global population. You may doubt models but the science behind global warming is not just complex calculations they are actually simple equations which predict rises in temperature. Scientists are sure of this as are most other countries and most of the population, and Trump is not looking to the future he is fighting the tide to sink deeper into the sea


Climate change has already become an extinction level event. The current changing climate is not the only thing that is stressing animal and plant life. All types of human activity are stressing plant and animal life now. As to if the current changing climate would prove to also be an extinction level event for humans will highly depend on how many species that humans depend on are also able to adapt to a changing global climate. As they say, no man is an island. It is also true that humans will not survive alone.
Quoting 150. BuckStrider:



....As he's flying in his private jet


By Law the Liberal G5's have to fly below the Oil Barons/executives and Politicians G-5's and Dreamliners ya know.

They fly in the less CO2 Higher altitudes to keep their blood red too. Breitbart, 2-15-17 article.



Quoting 150. BuckStrider:



....As he's flying in his private jet


Pointing fingers at others should not be used as your excuse for you to not participate in helping to remedy a known problem that needs to be corrected. .... He could bury his jet under the Antarctic ice and this would not even put a dent in the problem that we are facing.
Quoting 154. RitaEvac:

Having Hollywood actors ACTORS! is not the way to push climate change. I don't listen to a word those people say. They are not in the real world, they don't get up and go to work everyday, they don't know what's going on. Their job is to entertain and entertain only, while we, the real people make the world work. (while they live the high life on the backs of us making everything convenient for them)


I agree, to an extent. Would anyone listen to either of us if we were to try to bring the message to the general public?
Quoting 148. BuckStrider:

Trump’s Executive Order Threatens to Wreck Earth as a Livable Planet for Humans

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

Talk about fear mongering!


Fear mongering? Exactly what about that is fear mongering?

The US is one of the largest polluters in the world. If we clearly aren't going to do anything about it (or in fact, encourage it), then why should anyone else? It's like arms reduction. If you're a major nuclear power and are unwilling to reduce your stockpile, no one else is going to reduce there's.

With Trump destroying the EPA and science organizations and burning the Paris accords over a coal fueled fire, those accords are going to mean a lot less to a lot of countries. And they will feel perfectly justified. That means even the generous goals laid out in the accords will likely not be met, and that it is far more likely that we will either maintain the "business as usual" scenario globally (or worse, end up accelerating it).

Global temperature swings of even just 2C have been enough to cause global mass extinction events and we're going to see more than that by the end of century.

Trump's actions not only sabotage the work done here to try and get pollution and emissions under control, but also sabotages global political will to do so. This acts as an impediment/delay for action at a time where we are already getting a very late start and can't really afford any more of either.

So given all that, how is the title fear mongering? It describes his actions and the consequences in a simple and succinct way.
whataya know! The NWS is putting up what sounds to be a 'whole new site, next Tuesday, April 4.


Preview of NWS' New Version of Forecast


It can't possibly be less accurate than the local forecasts found here~ ...which site, with the comment section contributers being totally alienated by a hostile format, will undoubtedly suffer a huge drop in traffic.

As for Trump, it really is, to be honest, game over anyway. Sorry. And, in my opinion, much much better that we all just die than go on living in some greed-crazed corporate hyper-orwellian hell of a phony 'civilization' .... and we're just about there now, with no obvious way out.
Quoting 117. JimSpriggs:



Yeah, you can:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/23/world/trump-ba n-foreign-aid-abortions.html?_r=0

Ever noticed how Republicans and religion tends to stand in the way of a sustainable Earth?
I have.


What does foreign aid for abortions have to do with climate science?

I'm not saying population isn't an issue related to the warming climate. It certainly is, but talking about abortion is a political and moral issue, not a science one.

Discussing how to reduce population ethically is complex, and really isn't a topic for this blog.

Evaluating Trump in his opposition to climate science isn't off topic because Trump is outright apposed to hard objective scientific evidence regarding the changing climate, which conservatives and liberals should be in agreement on.




ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. — Xcel Energy has announced plans to invest $1.6 billion to build two wind farms in eastern New Mexico and West Texas over the next three years. .................... Taken together, the two new facilities and the agreement with NextEra will provide a total of 1.23 gigawatts of electricity, or enough to power about 440,000 average homes annually. ........................... The wind projects will help lower the cost of Xcel’s energy, saving the company’s Texas and New Mexico customers about $2.8 billion over the next 30 years, said Xcel spokesman Wes Reeves.

“We’re doing it primarily because it’s the cheapest energy resource we can buy now, even lower than our coal generation,” Reeves told the Journal. “We can lock in a good price now to predict and know where that price will be for the future.”


Link

166. OKsky
Quoting 162. MontanaZephyr:

whataya know! The NWS is putting up what sounds to be a 'whole new site, next Tuesday, April 4.


Preview of NWS' New Version of Forecast


It can't possibly be less accurate than the local forecasts found here~ ...which site, with the comment section contributers being totally alienated by a hostile format, will undoubtedly suffer a huge drop in traffic.

As for Trump, it really is, to be honest, game over anyway. Sorry. And, in my opinion, much much better that we all just die than go on living in some greed-crazed corporate hyper-orwellian hell of a phony 'civilization' .... and we're just about there now, with no obvious way out.


What hotline do you call when all of society is suicidal?
Trump is a business man. He supports the open free market. He believes less regulation results in more competition and consumer choices. What the consumer buys reflects on what happens to the Country. What happens to the Country reflects on it's impact to the Earth. The decision must be left between the Corporations and the Consumers, NOT the Government! That's the whole Conservative Point in a nutshell. Our Government is not supposed to be the Climate Change World Police!

Instead of trying to lobby the Government, try lobbying the Corporations directly. Allow the Corporations to make their own environmental improvement decisions. We are in the age of Technocracy now. Most of the regulations created are haggled by the Corporations in the first place. Like, "Ok, we'll do that if you do this... blah blah". They know the deal, they've seen the data, they know what needs to be done, but they're not going to do it fast enough until the majority of consumers demand it. When the consumer demands it, then the free market adjusts appropriately for it. This is basic business 101 protocol. If the consumer makes detrimental decisions, then a detrimental impact occurs, BUT it is the free RIGHT of the consumer to make those detrimental decisions just as much as it's the opposing force's free right to make advantageous decisions.

A lot of you people think voting only occurs at the political polls. Sorry, but voting goes much further than that. When you make a purchase you're voting there too, especially when you purchase something more than once. You're telling the Corporation, "Hey! I like this product. Please make more of it." And if there's something about the product you don't like, or you think needs to be improved, then you can contact the Corporation and express your concerns. You can also load up bus loads of people and visit the Corporation's HQ, arrange tours, and have a FAQ session. The CEO's DO listen, you just have to prove how serious you really are about it.

Stop relying on government for babysitting your global ills. Stop relying on government for entitlements and direction. We live in a monetary-driven economy where Corporations are the ones running the show. You speak to them, not the President. Convince the Corporations you mean business and they will adopt regulations for other Corporations to follow so it will be easier to supply the consumers with what they demand, not the other way around like Obama was trying to do. You're not supposed to try to force American Business to increase it's expenses and do things they don't really have to do. What if it was YOUR business?

Now think long and hard about the purchases you make. What are you purchasing so much that is causing a detrimental effect on our environment? Is there anything you can purchase or use differently in order to shift production to where it will support, or improve, your environment? Look in the mirror for a while, because the hypocrisy smells so loud I can smell it through the silicon information highway we are using right now!

The real reason you hate Trump is because he is calling you out!
Quoting 165. Envoirment:





Local NWS on it like white on rice too here.

The real reason you hate Trump is because he is calling you out!






Pollution from international trade killed 700,000 in one year - scientists
by J.D. Capelouto | Thomson Reuters Foundation, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 17:00 GMT
Air pollution from industries making goods for export are linked to more than 700,000 premature deaths worldwide in a single year, affecting people living thousands of kilometres from the source of pollution and those nearby, researchers said Wednesday.
Emissions from industries in China producing goods for export are linked to deaths from heart disease, stroke and lung cancer in the United States, for example, the researchers said in a report published in the journal Nature.
"Premature mortality related to air pollution is more than just a local issue and our findings quantify the extent to which air pollution is a global problem," said Dabo Guan, a co-author of the study and climate change economics professor at the University of East Anglia.
"International trade is further globalising the issue of air pollution mortality by allowing production and consumption activities to be physically separated," Guan said in a statement.
The report is the first to link premature deaths globally with international trade, the researchers said, and draws on data from 2007. ...

More see link above.
Well, thankfully asbestos is not in a waffle iron anymore or in my New Home.

Dat stuff can do wunders to a Lung.




Quoting 154. RitaEvac:

Having Hollywood actors ACTORS! is not the way to push climate change. I don't listen to a word those people say. They are not in the real world, they don't get up and go to work everyday, they don't know what's going on. Their job is to entertain and entertain only, while we, the real people make the world work. (while they live the high life on the backs of us making everything convenient for them)


Yet one was elected President
167. StarNCpws1

Here's hoping some corporation has it's fly ash ponds above your drinking water supply.



COAL ASH CONTAMINATED SITES
Coal-fired power plants generate about 140 million tons of fly ash, scrubber sludge, and other combustion wastes every year. These wastes contain some of the earth's most deadly pollutants, including toxic metals that can cause cancer and neurological harm in humans.

Link
I was going to say something stupid, but I see my endeavor would pale in comparison to some of the remarks that have been made this morning.
Quoting 167. StarNCpws1:




You're nuts if you think a free market society works. Most corporations and businesses don't care about the environment or people, they just care about their profits. I'm a civil engineer and I've done a lot of environmental work, I can tell you first hand that many businesses try to get away with whatever they can, whenever they can, and the public never finds out. That's all WITH government regulation, without it it would be a thousand times worse. Do you really think a gas station is going to report a huge leak in their tanks that's destroying the soil and groundwater around them if they aren't required to by law? Heck no. Are they going to remediate the soil and groundwater they destroyed? No way! Without the current regulations that are in place dealing with leaking underground storage tanks, no one would even know something like that was going on and you know the owners would never make it public. This is just one example out of a possible million. Corporations destroy the world without regulation and the power of the consumer isn't powerful enough to stop them, it's too easy to hide environmental damage from prying eyes. You want a freemarket? Just look at our country before the clean air and clean water act, I guess if rivers of fire are your thing more power to you, just keep that garbage out of my country.
176. OKsky
#167
Would you like a cigarette?

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Quoting 174. Grothar:

I was going to say something stupid, but I see my endeavor would pale in comparison to some of the remarks that have been made this morning.


The bar is High, bigly, hugely High.
Quoting 167. StarNCpws1:

The real reason you hate Trump is because he is calling you out!

With a button on the nukes and an attack force more than the rest of the globe combined, and with his carbon bootprint on the Barrier Reef.
Quoting 178. Patrap:



The bar is High, bigly, hugely High.

o brotha
90L is looking rather nice today, shame it wont become Arlene.
If you eliminate the Federal Government altogether then forget about; a) your social security check; b) your food stamps; c) fighting Isis; d) clean water and air; e) an income tax refund; d) you are on your own against Corporate Oligarchy and Corruption; e) NOAA severe weather alerts; f) medicare for the poor (or when you need some help if you lost your job).................Just a few points out of about 2000.............Just Sayin.
It is sad to see such an educated man spout such nonsense.
Quoting 127. wunderkidcayman:



hey Doc I'd like some confirmation from you

are we switching over to Disqus


Good luck I try asking the same question and got no response
Communities Retreat as Oceans Swell, Coasts Erode
Climate Central - March 27.

Erosion, rising seas, ferocious storms and other coastal perils have prompted the resettlement of more than 1 million people worldwide, with an exhaustive new analysis highlighting an emerging migration crisis that's worsening as global warming overwhelms shorelines.

Click for more. See also #147.

NASA Climate Change - Vital Signs of the Planet: Sea Level
Quoting 166. OKsky:



What hotline do you call when all of society is suicidal?

That is the doom question.
God's.
Quoting 182. weathermanwannabe:

If you eliminate the Federal Government altogether then forget about; a) your social security check; b) your food stamps; c) fighting Isis; d) clean water and air; e) an income tax refund; d) you are on your own against Corporate Oligarchy and Corruption; e) NOAA severe weather alerts; f) medicare for the poor (or when you need some help if you lost your job).................Just a few points out of about 2000.............Just Sayin.


I, for one, would love to see the IRS abolished; sayonara, hasta. These "people" need to learn to live within their means. I don't get to write a bill that will fund me at higher rates than I currently have. They need to take X percentage out of paychecks every two weeks. After that, they get nothing, and LIKE it!!! No more tax returns; no more being told by the crooks at the IRS that you owe MORE f'ing money. Screw them!!! It's legalized theft.

If that means some programs have to be cut, so be it. Priorities.
Quoting 182. weathermanwannabe:

If you eliminate the Federal Government altogether then forget about; a) your social security check; b) your food stamps; c) fighting Isis; d) clean water and air; e) an income tax refund; d) you are on your own against Corporate Oligarchy and Corruption; e) NOAA severe weather alerts; f) medicare for the poor (or when you need some help if you lost your job).................Just a few points out of about 2000.............Just Sayin.

And z) alterations to the mottos of police forces.
Quoting 167. StarNCpws1:

Trump is a business man. He supports the open free market. He believes less regulation results in more competition and consumer choices. What the consumer buys reflects on what happens to the Country. What happens to the Country reflects on it's impact to the Earth. The decision must be left between the Corporations and the Consumers, NOT the Government! That's the whole Conservative Point in a nutshell. Our Government is not supposed to be the Climate Change World Police!

Instead of trying to lobby the Government, try lobbying the Corporations directly. Allow the Corporations to make their own environmental improvement decisions. We are in the age of Technocracy now. Most of the regulations created are haggled by the Corporations in the first place. Like, "Ok, we'll do that if you do this... blah blah". They know the deal, they've seen the data, they know what needs to be done, but they're not going to do it fast enough until the majority of consumers demand it. When the consumer demands it, then the free market adjusts appropriately for it. This is basic business 101 protocol. If the consumer makes detrimental decisions, then a detrimental impact occurs, BUT it is the free RIGHT of the consumer to make those detrimental decisions just as much as it's the opposing force's free right to make advantageous decisions.

A lot of you people think voting only occurs at the political polls. Sorry, but voting goes much further than that. When you make a purchase you're voting there too, especially when you purchase something more than once. You're telling the Corporation, "Hey! I like this product. Please make more of it." And if there's something about the product you don't like, or you think needs to be improved, then you can contact the Corporation and express your concerns. You can also load up bus loads of people and visit the Corporation's HQ, arrange tours, and have a FAQ session. The CEO's DO listen, you just have to prove how serious you really are about it.

Stop relying on government for babysitting your global ills. Stop relying on government for entitlements and direction. We live in a monetary-driven economy where Corporations are the ones running the show. You speak to them, not the President. Convince the Corporations you mean business and they will adopt regulations for other Corporations to follow so it will be easier to supply the consumers with what they demand, not the other way around like Obama was trying to do. You're not supposed to try to force American Business to increase it's expenses and do things they don't really have to do. What if it was YOUR business?

Now think long and hard about the purchases you make. What are you purchasing so much that is causing a detrimental effect on our environment? Is there anything you can purchase or use differently in order to shift production to where it will support, or improve, your environment? Look in the mirror for a while, because the hypocrisy smells so loud I can smell it through the silicon information highway we are using right now!

The real reason you hate Trump is because he is calling you out!


Sorry sweetie~

Trump is a con-artist, he never produced a thing. He went bankrupt... what, five? seven times? And he would do things like make a corporation that he had bought and milked pay for his private jet before it went down. Everyone in NYC hates him, he has messed so many businesses up with his BRs. He's such a piece of sh*t that he couldn't get a gaming license in Nevada after he built his hotel because of scurrilous business connections. (It got taken down when the election was over, but you could ask him about it)). Craigphulet.com used to have up a 103 page PDF on his mob connections alone. And what's with the golden showers, the Russian connection, and the unqualified corporate predators he's stocked his administration with. Lookit Sessions. Lookit Nunez. Lookit Flynn. Lookit Pruit. What kind of asshole of a president 'tweets' about reality tv shows in the early hours of the morning? He's guilty of nepotism, and he is in violation of the constitution for profitting through private business from for governments.

...and we're just getting started.
Quoting 175. pipelines:



You're nuts if you think a free market society works. Most corporations and businesses don't care about the environment or people, they just care about their profits. I'm a civil engineer and I've done a lot of environmental work, I can tell you first hand that many businesses try to get away with whatever they can, whenever they can, and the public never finds out. That's all WITH government regulation, without it it would be a thousand times worse. Do you really think a gas station is going to report a huge leak in their tanks that's destroying the soil and groundwater around them if they aren't required to by law? Heck no. Are they going to remediate the soil and groundwater they destroyed? No way! Without the current regulations that are in place dealing with leaking underground storage tanks, no one would even know something like that was going on and you know the owners would never make it public. This is just one example out of a possible million. Corporations destroy the world without regulation and the power of the consumer isn't powerful enough to stop them, it's too easy to hide environmental damage from prying eyes. You want a freemarket? Just look at our country before the clean air and clean water act, I guess if rivers of fire are your thing more power to you, just keep that garbage out of my country.

I didn't realize the executive order removed reporting requirements for fuel spills.
Quoting 188. cRRKampen:


And z) alterations to the mottos of police forces.


Quoting 190. Patrap:

What if God was one of us?


Don't make me cry.

(seriously)
But, there are music and designer drugs.
Paradise 2.0 is just around the corner.
What hotline?

(what a day. For me in NL, where this week of March is early June and March is #2 in three centuries and eleven years, dinner will be created and served by me, for me - Evas, plural of Eva, aka spare ribs; the above be my last attempt at the bar. Tomorrow look at the forties of India/Pakistan, IJIS, the usual)
Quoting 195. zebra20zebra20:

99% of scientist at one time thought the Earth was flat! And, back in the 70's most scientist thought the Earth was cooling. And, at one time 99% of scientist never thought we could brake the sound barrier. OMG, the the Russinas are coming, the Russians are coming I tell you! Look, over there, WOLF, WOLF!

Careful, we got some Serengeti strategy in some heads here.
Quoting 169. Patrap:


The real reason you hate Trump is because he is calling you out!







finally a president who cares about us. not trying to give our money away to other nations, not giving it away to people who don't want to work. all this talk about the epa is misguided. its not all or nothing, you can reduce regulations and still protect the environment. obama was out of control, now we have to fix it. try running a business with all this, its not free, it costs a lot of money. we are a country of laws but the last guy ignored them, those days are over. I'm so proud of mr. trump and happy i voted for him.
Quoting 197. Tampa969mlb:

finally a president who cares about us. not trying to give our money away to other nations, not giving it away to people who don't want to work. all this talk about the epa is misguided. its not all or nothing, you can reduce regulations and still protect the environment. obama was out of control, now we have to fix it. try running a business with all this, its not free, it costs a lot of money. we are a country of laws but the last guy ignored them, those days are over. I'm so proud of mr. trump and happy i voted for him.


I'm sorry, but Trump doesn't care about you; he only cares for himself. I've often wondered how people come to believe total strangers, who are narcissistic by nature, actually have the capacity to "care" one whit about them. I am, of course, talking about politicians.
Little selection of current flooding issues around the world (apart from "Debbie"):

Floods and the curious case of missing scientists
Jakarta Post, Dewi Safitri | Wed, March 29, 2017 | 03:11 pm
... In two months, the disasters of this monsoon season have grown to be no less than a horror story, except that not many seem to consider it that way.
Less media attention has been given to updates on natural disasters than the President’s latest barbershop experience. Oddly, this also seems to be true in places where the disasters took place. ...
And this is where our misery lies. Solving scientific issues calls for scientific evidence. So far, we have had an absence of scientific voices offering lucid arguments as to what actions are needed to prevent floods from causing more damage in the future. ...
Problem-solving is luckily science’s greatest gift to humanity. This time it is needed to settle the pressing issue of flooding, although it should work for climate change, health issues, exploitation of resources, and many more problems.
To unlock this gift, however, scientists need to speak truth to power and the public. Only when evidence is put on the table will we hopefully be able to see the logical way out of this distress.
When scientists are missing from the public discourse we lose more than just our patience over rambunctious debate on Facebook or Twitter. ...

Whole article with more details see link above.

Peruvian deputy minister sacked for sunbathing during severe flooding
“I was exercising,” said Eufrosina Santa María as country battles three months of heavy rain
Lima 29 MAR 2017 - 15:42 CEST
Peru’s deputy agriculture minister has been sacked after footage was shown on television of her sunbathing during working hours while the north and center of the country battled torrential rainfall. The weather conditions have caused flooding and landslides and have left at least 90 people dead since January. ...

Make America Flood Again…and Again…and Again…
What is the new normal? Even if climate change weren’t a reality, rescinding actions which are aimed at making Americans safer is simply bad economic policy.
Eileen Fretz Shader | March 29, 2017

As sea level rises, much of Honolulu and Waikiki vulnerable to groundwater inundation
PhysOrg, March 28, 2017
Quoting 195. zebra20zebra20:

99% of scientist at one time thought the Earth was flat! And, back in the 70's most scientist thought the Earth was cooling. And, at one time 99% of scientist never thought we could brake the sound barrier. OMG, the the Russinas are coming, the Russians are coming I tell you! Look, over there, WOLF, WOLF!


Total bovine excrement. Scientists figured out the earth was round over 2200 years ago and even made a crude measurement of its diameter--around the year 250 BC. When Columbus sailed, all learned men knew the
Earth was round. In the 70's, only a couple of folks--NOT the majority-- made a guess that perhaps the Earth might be cooling, but the process of science quickly showed they were incorrect. And finally, scientists never said we could't break the sound barrier--instead, they were not sure of the mechanism which made the airplane unstable as it began to break Mach 1. Real scientists instead went to work with wind tunnels and devised the means to break it.
Quoting 197. Tampa969mlb:

finally a president who cares about us. not trying to give our money away to other nations, not giving it away to people who don't want to work. all this talk about the epa is misguided. its not all or nothing, you can reduce regulations and still protect the environment. obama was out of control, now we have to fix it. try running a business with all this, its not free, it costs a lot of money. we are a country of laws but the last guy ignored them, those days are over. I'm so proud of mr. trump and happy i voted for him.
if you support trump at this stage of the game. ... white nationalism and fascism are the only reasons for any person to still support him. his politics aside the mans behaviour is beneath the office and beneath the country for that matter.
I appreciate all the different viewpoints of what government should and should not do and everyone will often have a different opinion on the issue but the current Federal/State system is what we have to work with in the US. At my own simple, and non-partisan level, as a Father, Christian, Fisherman, Weather Enthusiast, and Son of a Military/CIA Veteran, I have no problem with my tax payer dollars that actually go to fund better education for our children, safety net programs for the poor and less fortunate, environmental programs and regulation that protects the environment, funding the science and agencies like NOAA, and a strong national defense and respect for our veterans (and our national intelligence agencies including knowing who our real enemies are)..........This current Administration is flunking my test at many levels at the moment.
204. OKsky
Quoting 201. intampa:

if you support trump at this stage of the game. ... white nationist and fascist reasons for any person to still support him. his politics aside the mans behaviour is beneath the office and beneath the country for that matter.


I agree with your 2nd sentence, but I don't know if the first one is very constructive. Trumpism has many forms ("racist scumbag" being one of them), but I haven't seen any evidence that fizzgig is racist.
Quoting 195. zebra20zebra20:

99% of scientist at one time thought the Earth was flat! And, back in the 70's most scientist thought the Earth was cooling. And, at one time 99% of scientist never thought we could brake the sound barrier. OMG, the the Russinas are coming, the Russians are coming I tell you! Look, over there, WOLF, WOLF!


That is not true. The Church taught that Earth is flat, it is the center of the Universe and that all things revolve around Earth. When Science came along it began to reveal that none of these things were true. Some of the early scientists even struggled with their religious beliefs when they studied their own evidence. It is the Church that persecuted these early scientists for their not adhering to religious doctrine. You not only have issues with getting history right, you also have issues with what is written in the Bible.
Quoting 197. Tampa969mlb:

finally a president who cares about us. not trying to give our money away to other nations, not giving it away to people who don't want to work. all this talk about the epa is misguided. its not all or nothing, you can reduce regulations and still protect the environment. obama was out of control, now we have to fix it. try running a business with all this, its not free, it costs a lot of money. we are a country of laws but the last guy ignored them, those days are over. I'm so proud of mr. trump and happy i voted for him.
Quoting 197. Tampa969mlb:

finally a president who cares about us. not trying to give our money away to other nations, not giving it away to people who don't want to work. all this talk about the epa is misguided. its not all or nothing, you can reduce regulations and still protect the environment. obama was out of control, now we have to fix it. try running a business with all this, its not free, it costs a lot of money. we are a country of laws but the last guy ignored them, those days are over. I'm so proud of mr. trump and happy i voted for him.


This is pretty warped indeed.
So happy.
To obtain a Doctorate in Climatology you must be able to utter "A mix of Sun and clouds" in two languages within 3 minutes.
Quoting 204. OKsky:



I agree with your 2nd sentence, but I don't know if the first one is very constructive. Trumpism has many forms ("racist scumbag" being one of them), but I haven't seen any evidence that fizzgig is racist.

Maybe true (not seen concrete evidence yet either).
Then: is he working against it?



it just wont change.....there are areas in Cayman that havent had any precip since early November
this is becoming historic...
Time for heatwave news in the northern hemisphere has come ... With this good night from Germany with still pleasant and very warm spring weather (mory "mayish" than "marchish"), and at least in my part mid of the country it's once again quite/too dry (as it has been the years before as well).

Hot in Mumbai? Well, scorcher of summer ahead
Free Press, By Staff Reporter / Agencies | Mar 29, 2017 06:45 am
Mumbai/New Delhi: If you thought that 39 degrees Celsius was enough, prepare for a scorcher of a summer. On Monday, the mercury soared to nearly 40 degrees in parts of Mumbai and its suburbs, with Indian Meteorological Department (IMD) warning that temperatures this summer could rise to abnormal levels in different parts of the country. ...

IMD trains states to deal with heatwaves as temperatures rise
India Meteorological Department (IMD) is training state governments to counter persistent heatwaves, anticipating a structural shift in India’s weather conditions.
Thu, Mar 30 2017. 12 06 AM IST
New Delhi: Anticipating a structural shift in the country’s weather, the India Meteorological Department (IMD) is training state governments to improve their mitigation preparedness to cope with the persistent heatwaves.
IMD has tied up with state disaster management commissioners and health secretaries to formulate plans in the face of large casualties from heatwave conditions. The National Disaster Management Authority (NDMA), on its part, has prepared a standard operating procedure template and a sequence of actions to be triggered during a severe heatwave.
There were 1,111 deaths from heatwave conditions in 2016, compared with 2,040 in 2015. Temperatures across India have been rising on an average of 0.7 degrees every decade, according to IMD, with 2016 the hottest so far. ...
skip,

Yesterday afternoon Donald Trump gutted the Clean Power Plan and rolled back crucial environmental protections. These protections were hard-won, and were set up to both combat climate change and protect the most at-risk among us: low-income communities, communities of color and our nation’s children.

Trump’s executive order is nothing less than a tragedy. Today, we’re doubling down on our efforts to make sure Trump and his cronies know: our resistance is here to stay. Trump’s 100th day in office will be marked by a powerful show of our people-powered resistance in our march for climate, jobs and justice.

On April 29 we will come together in DC to physically surround the White House and drown out the administration’s climate denial. We will raise our collective voices and call for real action and an end to the climate crisis. Click here to invite your friends to join you.

Here’s our plan for the day:

11:00am: We will gather in front of the Capitol Building in contingents that spell out the values we share: justice, truth, democracy, faith and more. No matter what community you’re marching with, or where you’re coming from, there will be a spot for you. At 12:30pm, we’ll begin marching up Pennsylvania avenue.

1:30pm: We will surround the White House on all sides, and take powerful collective action to honor the lives at stake and make a loud sound demanding climate justice and good jobs that will drown out all of the climate-denying nonsense that has been coming out of the White House.

3:00pm: We will reconvene at the Washington Monument grounds to connect and share the stories that brought us to DC. We’ll hear from the front line of the climate crisis and share solutions rooted in our own communities. There’ll be music and beautiful art from around the country that powerfully shows our local demands and visions. We’ll even assemble all our individual signs into one collective message of resistance.

Trump’s game plan has been to relentlessly attack our communities and shock us into hopelessness. It hasn’t worked because our people-powered movement is stronger than he is — together, the resistance stopped his attempts to overturn the Affordable Care Act and stymied his despicable Muslim ban. Now, we are going to do the same thing to his attacks on our climate, our air, and our water.

But for this march to be a real show of our collective power — to send the message that our resistance is here to stay and will fight tooth and nail for our communities — we need to be there en masse, raising our voices with our friends, family, neighbors, and loved ones.

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Stephen Colbert Sums Up Trump’s Climate Change Policy: ‘F*ck the Planet!’

The ‘Late Show’ host had some harsh words for President Trump’s ‘energy independence’ plan.

What made the previous ice ages come and go?

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Quoting 163. Jedkins01:



What does foreign aid for abortions have to do with climate science?

I'm not saying population isn't an issue related to the warming climate. It certainly is, but talking about abortion is a political and moral issue, not a science one.

Discussing how to reduce population ethically is complex, and really isn't a topic for this blog.

Evaluating Trump in his opposition to climate science isn't off topic because Trump is outright apposed to hard objective scientific evidence regarding the changing climate, which conservatives and liberals should be in agreement on.







Nothing. Please refer to the comment I was refuting.
Ice age

Such a period between glacial maxima is known as an interglacial. The glacials and interglacials also coincided with changes in Earth's orbit called Milankovitch cycles. The earth has been in an interglacial period known as the Holocene for more than 11,000 years.

Quoting 216. fsummerfelt:

Thanks for the warning Chicken Little. What made the previous ice ages come and go? Certainly not humans. Have you posted this news in China and India?


Is today the Heartland's "Puppet Day"? There does appear to be quite a large gathering of its marionettes here today.
I forwarded some information to the news media recently on some of DT's domestic (US) investments involving Russian Oligarch monies which have been missed so far (from the public)..............Trust me; DT does not care about "US"; money and self absorption is his God.
Quoting 219. Misanthroptimist:

A fond farewell to you all...from me.


'It has been a privilege blogging with you.




Quoting 216. fsummerfelt:

What made the previous ice ages come and go? Certainly not humans.

Are you sure?
Quoting 221. Patrap:

Ice age

Such a period between glacial maxima is known as an interglacial. The glacials and interglacials also coincided with changes in Earth's orbit called Milankovitch cycles. The earth has been in an interglacial period known as the Holocene for more than 11,000 years.




So are you related to these changes in Earth's orbit called Milankovitch cycles?

No, I'm not related to that all as it is not pronounced or spelled like that Miss Devos.





Wow...isn't the internet wonderful?! We've developed a virtual platform where those who know nothing can "debate" those who know considerable. It's like if I walked into where brain surgery was being performed and said to the surgeon, "Phhh...only an idiot would use that tool to perform this type of procedure." Mic drop...then strut out proudly.

Ignorance with arrogance may have won the day...but the rest of us need to minimize their use of sharp objects.
Seems we have a Velocity Rogue taking on some circulation in tepid inflow and SSTs.


Im calling a red alert.


Bearing 015 @34


Quoting 216. fsummerfelt:

Have you posted this news in China and India?


Have you done the slightest amount of research regarding China and India's push toward a sustainable energy future?
The slightest?
I think this news should stay right here in the United States.
Quoting 195. zebra20zebra20:

99% of scientist at one time thought the Earth was flat! And, back in the 70's most scientist thought the Earth was cooling. And, at one time 99% of scientist never thought we could brake the sound barrier. OMG, the the Russinas are coming, the Russians are coming I tell you! Look, over there, WOLF, WOLF!

You are grossly misinformed.

Google "Eratosthenes of Cyrene" to disprove your "flat earth" misunderstanding.

Most scientists in the 1970s didn't think we were warming or cooling. However, in the scientific literature the warming papers far outnumbered the cooling papers.

You seem misinformed about science generally.
Seems to be coming to the right as it is grooving along quickly now.


Tracker has it.


Kamala should be spitting something out.

Quoting 216. fsummerfelt:

...What made the previous ice ages come and go? Certainly not humans. ....


"Your Honor, even though there is a videotape of my client starting that forest fire, and even though his fingerprints were found on the gas can at the scene of the forest fire, and even though he posted on social media that he started the forest fire, there is no way he could've started that forest fire, because ten years ago lightning started a forest fire."

Tops to 55k and growing.


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Dr. Michael Mann:

“It is hard to believe that here, in the 21st century, powerful political forces are working so hard to return us to the Dark Ages, to reject the Enlightenment and everything we have learned. It is shocking and frightening. What we are witnessing is an attack on the very foundation that modern civilization is based upon.”

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Quoting 227. KwajAlien:

Wow...isn't the internet wonderful?! We've developed a virtual platform where those who know nothing can "debate" those who know considerable. It's like if I walked into where brain surgery was being performed and said to the surgeon, "Phhh...only an idiot would use that tool to perform this type of procedure." Mic drop...then strut out proudly.

Ignorance with arrogance may have won the day...but the rest of us need to minimize their use of sharp objects.

I'm opting for getting out of the way, grabbing pretzels and beer, and waiting for the inevitable moment when they stick the scalpel in an electrical socket.

How can that *not* be entertaining?
What has happened to the discussion board here? I think that a quote is apposite;
"It is pathetic that the largest oil company in the world understands more about climate change than our president," Bernie Sanders, pointing out that Exxon had suggested that it was important that the US remained aligned with the Paris Climate Accord.
Exxon is hardly a green flag waver but this quote shows two things: one how stupid the president is for saying what he does, and two, how much more stupid anyone else is for following his direction to embark on the road to hell.
Quoting 167. StarNCpws1:

Trump is a business man. He supports the open free market. He believes less regulation results in more competition and consumer choices. What the consumer buys reflects on what happens to the Country. What happens to the Country reflects on it's impact to the Earth. The decision must be left between the Corporations and the Consumers, NOT the Government! That's the whole Conservative Point in a nutshell. Our Government is not supposed to be the Climate Change World Police!

Instead of trying to lobby the Government, try lobbying the Corporations directly. Allow the Corporations to make their own environmental improvement decisions. We are in the age of Technocracy now. Most of the regulations created are haggled by the Corporations in the first place. Like, "Ok, we'll do that if you do this... blah blah". They know the deal, they've seen the data, they know what needs to be done, but they're not going to do it fast enough until the majority of consumers demand it. When the consumer demands it, then the free market adjusts appropriately for it. This is basic business 101 protocol. If the consumer makes detrimental decisions, then a detrimental impact occurs, BUT it is the free RIGHT of the consumer to make those detrimental decisions just as much as it's the opposing force's free right to make advantageous decisions.

A lot of you people think voting only occurs at the political polls. Sorry, but voting goes much further than that. When you make a purchase you're voting there too, especially when you purchase something more than once. You're telling the Corporation, "Hey! I like this product. Please make more of it." And if there's something about the product you don't like, or you think needs to be improved, then you can contact the Corporation and express your concerns. You can also load up bus loads of people and visit the Corporation's HQ, arrange tours, and have a FAQ session. The CEO's DO listen, you just have to prove how serious you really are about it.

Stop relying on government for babysitting your global ills. Stop relying on government for entitlements and direction. We live in a monetary-driven economy where Corporations are the ones running the show. You speak to them, not the President. Convince the Corporations you mean business and they will adopt regulations for other Corporations to follow so it will be easier to supply the consumers with what they demand, not the other way around like Obama was trying to do. You're not supposed to try to force American Business to increase it's expenses and do things they don't really have to do. What if it was YOUR business?

Now think long and hard about the purchases you make. What are you purchasing so much that is causing a detrimental effect on our environment? Is there anything you can purchase or use differently in order to shift production to where it will support, or improve, your environment? Look in the mirror for a while, because the hypocrisy smells so loud I can smell it through the silicon information highway we are using right now!

The real reason you hate Trump is because he is calling you out!
Looks like there is more in Pandora's box to be released soon :-(
Trump to Toss Obama's Orders to Prepare for Extreme Weather
Bloomberg, by Christopher Flavelle, 28. März 2017, 01:00 MESZ 28. März 2017, 23:17 MESZ
Trump will sign an executive order Tuesday that will in part reverse two main planks of federal efforts under President Barack Obama to adapt to climate change, a senior White House official told reporters. Trump will rescind Obama’s order to federal agencies to plan for climate change and another to have the military prepare for the national security implications. ...

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A FLASH FLOOD WARNING MEANS THAT FLOODING IS IMMINENT OR OCCURRING.  
IF YOU ARE IN THE WARNED AREA MOVE TO HIGHER GROUND IMMEDIATELY.  
RESIDENTS LIVING ALONG STREAMS AND CREEKS SHOULD TAKE IMMEDIATE  
PRECAUTIONS TO PROTECT LIFE AND PROPERTY.  
 
 
 
LAT...LON 2988 9478 2975 9479 2965 9487 2965 9492  
2969 9511 2987 9501  
 
 
 
HUFFMAN  
 
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Quoting 241. barbamz:

Looks like there is more in Pandora's box to be released soon :-(
Trump to Toss Obama's Orders to Prepare for Extreme Weather
Bloomberg, by Christopher Flavelle, 28. März 2017, 01:00 MESZ 28. März 2017, 23:17 MESZ
Trump will sign an executive order Tuesday that will in part reverse two main planks of federal efforts under President Barack Obama to adapt to climate change, a senior White House official told reporters. Trump will rescind Obama’s order to federal agencies to plan for climate change and another to have the military prepare for the national security implications. ...

Over and out ...


And people say that ETs do not exist. I am beginning to feel like I am an ET on this planet. sigh
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CENTRAL TYLER COUNTY IN SOUTHEASTERN TEXAS...  
CENTRAL JASPER COUNTY IN SOUTHEASTERN TEXAS...  
 
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* AT 319 PM CDT, A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM CAPABLE OF PRODUCING A TORNADO  
WAS LOCATED NEAR WARREN, MOVING NORTHEAST AT 20 MPH.  
 
HAZARD...TORNADO AND PING PONG BALL SIZE HAIL.  
 
SOURCE...RADAR INDICATED ROTATION.  
 
IMPACT...FLYING DEBRIS WILL BE DANGEROUS TO THOSE CAUGHT WITHOUT  
SHELTER. MOBILE HOMES WILL BE DAMAGED OR DESTROYED.  
DAMAGE TO ROOFS, WINDOWS, AND VEHICLES WILL OCCUR. TREE  
DAMAGE IS LIKELY.  
 
* THIS DANGEROUS STORM WILL BE NEAR...  
SPURGER AROUND 355 PM CDT.  
TOWN BLUFF AROUND 400 PM CDT.  
 
OTHER LOCATIONS IMPACTED BY THIS TORNADIC THUNDERSTORM INCLUDE  
IVANHOE AND HILLISTER.  
 
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MOBILE HOME, OR IN A VEHICLE, MOVE TO THE CLOSEST SUBSTANTIAL SHELTER  
AND PROTECT YOURSELF FROM FLYING DEBRIS.  
 
 
 
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TIME...MOT...LOC 2019Z 240DEG 16KT 3069 9440  
 
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AT 319 PM CDT, A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM CAPABLE OF PRODUCING A TORNADO
WAS LOCATED NEAR WARREN, MOVING NORTHEAST AT 20 MPH.

HAZARD...TORNADO AND PING PONG BALL SIZE HAIL.

SOURCE...RADAR INDICATED ROTATION.

IMPACT...FLYING DEBRIS WILL BE DANGEROUS TO THOSE CAUGHT WITHOUT
SHELTER. MOBILE HOMES WILL BE DAMAGED OR DESTROYED.
DAMAGE TO ROOFS, WINDOWS, AND VEHICLES WILL OCCUR. TREE
DAMAGE IS LIKELY.

* THIS DANGEROUS STORM WILL BE NEAR...
SPURGER AROUND 355 PM CDT.
TOWN BLUFF AROUND 400 PM CDT.

OTHER LOCATIONS IMPACTED BY THIS TORNADIC THUNDERSTORM INCLUDE
IVANHOE AND HILLISTER.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

TAKE COVER NOW! MOVE TO A BASEMENT OR AN INTERIOR ROOM ON THE LOWEST
FLOOR OF A STURDY BUILDING. AVOID WINDOWS. IF YOU ARE OUTDOORS, IN A
MOBILE HOME, OR IN A VEHICLE, MOVE TO THE CLOSEST SUBSTANTIAL SHELTER
AND PROTECT YOURSELF FROM FLYING DEBRIS.

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NORTHWESTERN CHAMBERS COUNTY IN SOUTHEASTERN TEXAS...  
SOUTH CENTRAL LIBERTY COUNTY IN SOUTHEASTERN TEXAS...  
 
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* AT 324 PM CDT, A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM CAPABLE OF PRODUCING A  
TORNADO WAS LOCATED OVER BEACH CITY, MOVING NORTHEAST AT 25 MPH.  
ROOF DAMAGE HAS BEEN REPORTED IN LA PORTE AND PASADENA. SHIPPING  
CONTAINERS WERE BLOWN AROUND IN LA PORTE.  
 
HAZARD...TORNADO.  
 
SOURCE...RADAR INDICATED ROTATION.  
 
IMPACT...FLYING DEBRIS WILL BE DANGEROUS TO THOSE CAUGHT WITHOUT  
SHELTER. MOBILE HOMES WILL BE DAMAGED OR DESTROYED.  
DAMAGE TO ROOFS, WINDOWS, AND VEHICLES WILL OCCUR. TREE  
DAMAGE IS LIKELY.  
 
* LOCATIONS IMPACTED INCLUDE...  
BEACH CITY, SOUTHEASTERN MONT BELVIEU, ANAHUAC, OLD RIVER-WINFREE,  
COVE, HANKAMER AND WALLISVILLE.  
 
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TAKE COVER NOW! MOVE TO A BASEMENT OR AN INTERIOR ROOM ON THE LOWEST  
FLOOR OF A STURDY BUILDING. AVOID WINDOWS. IF YOU ARE OUTDOORS, IN A  
MOBILE HOME, OR IN A VEHICLE, MOVE TO THE CLOSEST SUBSTANTIAL SHELTER  
AND PROTECT YOURSELF FROM FLYING DEBRIS.  
 
 
 
LAT...LON 2970 9489 2975 9492 2979 9490 2997 9476  
2981 9457  
TIME...MOT...LOC 2024Z 234DEG 20KT 2975 9487  
 
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SOUTHWESTERN BEAUREGARD PARISH IN SOUTHWESTERN LOUISIANA...  
WEST CENTRAL CALCASIEU PARISH IN SOUTHWESTERN LOUISIANA...  
SOUTH CENTRAL NEWTON COUNTY IN SOUTHEASTERN TEXAS...  
NORTHEASTERN ORANGE COUNTY IN SOUTHEASTERN TEXAS...  
 
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* AT 319 PM CDT, A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WAS LOCATED NEAR MAURICEVILLE,  
MOVING NORTHEAST AT 50 MPH.  
 
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FIELDS, DEWEYVILLE, MAURICEVILLE, STARKS, DEVILS POCKET, BANCROFT,  
HARTBURG AND FOREST HEIGHTS.  
 
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FOR YOUR PROTECTION MOVE TO AN INTERIOR ROOM ON THE LOWEST FLOOR OF A  
BUILDING.  
 
 
 
A TORNADO WATCH REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 900 PM CDT FOR SOUTHWESTERN  
LOUISIANA...AND SOUTHEASTERN TEXAS.  
 
LAT...LON 3008 9380 3014 9391 3063 9372 3059 9346  
TIME...MOT...LOC 2019Z 204DEG 43KT 3017 9383  
 
HAIL...1.00IN  
WIND...60MPH  
 
 
 
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Todays BS meter breaker I give to thee'


POLITICS 03/29/2017 03:52 pm ET | Updated 16 minutes ago

Badly Misinformed Lawmaker Thinks Our ‘Warm Bodies’ May Be Causing Climate Change
Spoiler alert: Republican Scott Wagner is very wrong.

By Michael McLaughlin



A Republican state senator running for governor of Pennsylvania shared some unusual views this week about what’s causing climate change.

Scott Wagner told a Harrisburg audience on Tuesday that the body heat from the planet’s growing population might be responsible for rising temperatures.

“We have more people. You know, humans have warm bodies. So is heat coming off?” Wagner said, according to State Impact Pennsylvania, an NPR project. “Things are changing, but I think we are, as a society, doing the best we can.”

The lawmaker was speaking to a receptive audience of rural county officials about loosening regulations on the natural gas industry.

At another point, Wagner appeared to conflate global warming with the changing of the seasons.

“I haven’t been in a science class in a long time, but the earth moves closer to the sun every year ― you know, the rotation of the earth,” Wagner said. “We’re moving closer to the sun.”


SCOTT WAGNER
State Sen. Scott Wagner may need a refresher science class.
The lawmaker is indeed a bit rusty on the basics of astronomy. Contrary to what Wagner said, the earth rotates on its axis every 24 hours, not every year. And it may come as a surprise to him that the United States and the rest of the Northern Hemisphere experience winter when the earth’s yearly orbit brings it closest to the sun.

Scientists widely agree that the release of greenhouse gases from human activity is the primary force leading to climate change today.

In a statement provided by a spokeswoman, Wagner said human activity is partly responsible for climate change ― although he implied that people shouldn’t take drastic action in response.

“I believe that the climate is changing every day, and some of that change is certainly manmade. I think that we have a responsibility to future generations to be good stewards, and I support efforts to do that,” Wagner said. “However, the real question isn’t is the climate changing but what role should the government play in trying to alter it. I believe we have to prioritize action in a measured way so that we do not hurt our economy.”

Was The National Enquirer The ‘Source’ For Devin Nunes’s Claim That Trump Was Surveilled?
Er, I'mma gonna leave diz un rite here fo da archive's.



“I haven’t been in a science class in a long time, but the earth moves closer to the sun every year ― you know, the rotation of the earth,” Wagner said. “We’re moving closer to the sun.”



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DEATHS OCCUR IN VEHICLES.  
 
EXCESSIVE RUNOFF FROM HEAVY RAINFALL WILL CAUSE FLOODING OF SMALL  
CREEKS AND STREAMS, URBAN AREAS, HIGHWAYS, STREETS AND UNDERPASSES AS  
WELL AS OTHER DRAINAGE AREAS AND LOW LYING SPOTS.  
 
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Quoting 216. fsummerfelt:

Thanks for the warning Chicken Little. What made the previous ice ages come and go? Certainly not humans. Have you posted this news in China and India?


natural variations in the climate cycle made the ice ages come and go. what we're doing to the environment is not a natural variation. the industrial revolution started 250 years ago, and if you acknowledge how much we pollute, and that some of those pollutants are greenhouses gases, then just think of how much we have emitted over 250 years, as our population has grown, and more and more people have access to fossil fuel extraction, and use.

china and india have 3-4 times as many people as the US, and are also (while still polluting a hell of a lot) doing way better than america ever has (or seemingly ever will at this point) in implementing non polluting, sustainable energy generation.

Quoting 250. Patrap:

Todays BS meter breaker I give to thee'


POLITICS 03/29/2017 03:52 pm ET | Updated 16 minutes ago

Badly Misinformed Lawmaker Thinks Our %u2018Warm Bodies%u2019 May Be Causing Climate Change
Spoiler alert: Republican Scott Wagner is very wrong.

By Michael McLaughlin



A Republican state senator running for governor of Pennsylvania shared some unusual views this week about what%u2019s causing climate change.

Scott Wagner told a Harrisburg audience on Tuesday that the body heat from the planet%u2019s growing population might be responsible for rising temperatures.

%u201CWe have more people. You know, humans have warm bodies. So is heat coming off?%u201D Wagner said, according to State Impact Pennsylvania, an NPR project. %u201CThings are changing, but I think we are, as a society, doing the best we can.%u201D

The lawmaker was speaking to a receptive audience of rural county officials about loosening regulations on the natural gas industry.

At another point, Wagner appeared to conflate global warming with the changing of the seasons.

%u201CI haven%u2019t been in a science class in a long time, but the earth moves closer to the sun every year %u2015 you know, the rotation of the earth,%u201D Wagner said. %u201CWe%u2019re moving closer to the sun.%u201D


SCOTT WAGNER
State Sen. Scott Wagner may need a refresher science class.
The lawmaker is indeed a bit rusty on the basics of astronomy. Contrary to what Wagner said, the earth rotates on its axis every 24 hours, not every year. And it may come as a surprise to him that the United States and the rest of the Northern Hemisphere experience winter when the earth%u2019s yearly orbit brings it closest to the sun.

Scientists widely agree that the release of greenhouse gases from human activity is the primary force leading to climate change today.

In a statement provided by a spokeswoman, Wagner said human activity is partly responsible for climate change %u2015 although he implied that people shouldn%u2019t take drastic action in response.

%u201CI believe that the climate is changing every day, and some of that change is certainly manmade. I think that we have a responsibility to future generations to be good stewards, and I support efforts to do that,%u201D Wagner said. %u201CHowever, the real question isn%u2019t is the climate changing but what role should the government play in trying to alter it. I believe we have to prioritize action in a measured way so that we do not hurt our economy.%u201D

Was The National Enquirer The %u2018Source%u2019 For Devin Nunes%u2019s Claim That Trump Was Surveilled?



Human body heat is warming the planet? The only thing he got right about the warming is that it is an anthropogenic warming.

"I haven't been in a science class in a long time, but the earth moves closer to the sun every year, you know, the rotation of the earth," Wagner said. "We're moving closer to the sun."
Really? The average 6th grade student class would slap him down for saying anything so ignorant in front of them!
not from The Onion:

Energy Department climate office bans use of phrase 'climate change'
The Office of International Climate and Clean Energy is the only office at DOE with the word 'climate' in its name.
A supervisor at the Energy Department's international climate office told staff this week not to use the phrases "climate change," "emissions reduction" or "Paris Agreement" in written memos, briefings or other written communication

Employees of DOE's Office of International Climate and Clean Energy learned of the ban at a meeting Tuesday. At the meeting, senior officials told staff the words would cause a "visceral reaction" with Energy Secretary Rick Perry, his immediate staff, and the cadre of White House advisers at the top of the department.
Quoting 219. Misanthroptimist:

A fond farewell to you all...from me.



You're not going anywhere.
Quoting 255. no1der:

not from The Onion:

Energy Department climate office bans use of phrase 'climate change'
The Office of International Climate and Clean Energy is the only office at DOE with the word 'climate' in its name.
A supervisor at the Energy Department's international climate office told staff this week not to use the phrases "climate change," "emissions reduction" or "Paris Agreement" in written memos, briefings or other written communication
Employees of DOE's Office of International Climate and Clean Energy learned of the ban at a meeting Tuesday



Well, everyone knows that if you don't name a problem or acknowledge its existence, it goes away on its own. It's like the invisible hand of the market place...only stupider.
Everyone have a safe weather evening and particularly in the threatened warned areas.............After a tough day at work, and facing some tough issues on the blog today, and I am not a drinking man, I am joining a co-worker for one scotch and one cigar for happy hour............In my younger days, it would have been, "One Scotch, One Bourbon, and One Beeeeeeeeeeer".................................... .
Quoting 255. no1der:

not from The Onion:

Energy Department climate office bans use of phrase 'climate change'
The Office of International Climate and Clean Energy is the only office at DOE with the word 'climate' in its name.
A supervisor at the Energy Department's international climate office told staff this week not to use the phrases "climate change," "emissions reduction" or "Paris Agreement" in written memos, briefings or other written communication
Employees of DOE's Office of International Climate and Clean Energy learned of the ban at a meeting Tuesday




This certainly sounds to me like Rick Perry had a private discussion with Rick Scott while they dined at Mar-a-Lago.
# 224 Patrap

Ha ha, I recognise the film - 'Marooned' - and the actors: James Franciscus, (a very young) Gene Hackman, and Richard Crenna. Great film, shame they don't show it these days. Think it got an Oscar for soundtrack. Also one of Gregory Peck's later films, don't think he did many after this.
Quoting 259. Some1Has2BtheRookie:



This certainly sounds to me like Rick Perry had a private discussion with Rick Scott while they dined at Mar-a-Lago.


Umm Yessss, It was exhilarating, Smithers, bring me my Phish CD,...





Leigh Fordham sold me out
46 days and the coal ran out
Please come round here another day
Sit yourself down when you're ready to stay

She dug down when they took the town
Lookin' for clues but they couldn't be found
Leigh found out she was ready to roam
47 days and the coal came home

Taste the fear
For the devil's drawing near
Quoting 261. JCheevorLoophole42:

# 224 Patrap

Ha ha, I recognise the film - 'Marooned' - and the actors: James Franciscus, (a very young) Gene Hackman, and Richard Crenna. Great film, shame they don't show it these days. Think it got an Oscar for soundtrack. Also one of Gregory Peck's later films, don't think he did many after this.


The best scene, Launching David Jansen Thru the eye of Hurricane Ana with the XRV.





From the New Republic:


Lamar Smith (left) with House Speaker Paul Ryan in January. Zach Gibson/ASSOCIATED PRESS

House Republicans held an insane hearing just to attack climate science.The Trump administration has been nothing if not a master class in gaslighting —the art of manipulating people, often through lies, into questioning their own sanity—and its pupils on Capitol Hill have clearly been taking notes. On Wednesday, the Republicans on the House Science Committee held a three-hour hearing on the merits of climate change science, a cavalcade of falsehoods so relentless and seemingly rational that one might well need psychiatric counseling after having watched it.

Click here to read more.
Quoting 264. Xandra:

From the New Republic:


Lamar Smith (left) with House Speaker Paul Ryan in January. Zach Gibson/ASSOCIATED PRESS

House Republicans held an insane hearing just to attack climate science.The Trump administration has been nothing if not a master class in gaslighting —the art of manipulating people, often through lies, into questioning their own sanity—and its pupils on Capitol Hill have clearly been taking notes. On Wednesday, the Republicans on the House Science Committee held a three-hour hearing on the merits of climate change science, a cavalcade of falsehoods so relentless and seemingly rational that one might well need psychiatric counseling after having watched it.

Click here to read more.



Sedition, in the open, for the World to witness is really bad way to treat these bright great minds and the sentient awake Humans Globally. Its a really un American way to govern.

This isnt 74'

I reject them completely and never served for these Morons to take us back to the dark ages.

Im gonna go walk a intelligence greater than them a million fold.

My Shepherd.


Semper Fi'
Peter Gleick:
@PeterGleick

Sad irony the @HouseScience holds a sham hearing with misleading & long debunked arguments on #climate just as CO2 levels reach record high.

"We have more people. You know, humans have warm bodies. So is heat coming off?"

Well, he is right, you know -- but it's not the heat coming off, but the activities of those "warm bodies" in burning more coal, oil, and gas (as well as cow dung) to satisfy their desires or needs. The real problem is the things all those warm bodies do, as well as the sheer number of them!
Quoting 269. CaneFreeCR:

"We have more people. You know, humans have warm bodies. So is heat coming off?"

Well, he is right, you know -- but it's not the heat coming off, but the activities of those "warm bodies" in burning more coal, oil, and gas (as well as cow dung) to satisfy their desires or needs. The real problem is the things all those warm bodies do, as well as the sheer number of them!


population growth is actually do to people living longer...depending on the studies you read our world population will decreace in the nest 40 to 120 years
Quoting 169. Patrap:


The real reason you hate Trump is because he is calling you out!









The real picture of the Hair Furor in a truck



Meanwhile, in the Labrador Sea:

Click to enlarge.
Terra satellite, true color, March 29. Via NASA Worldview.
Quoting 271. ricderr:



population growth is actually do to people living longer...depending on the studies you read our world population will decreace in the nest 40 to 120 years


That makes sense. I always assumed that if it ever got to standing room only, there would be a decrease in the population.
Link
Quoting 271. ricderr:



population growth is actually do to people living longer...depending on the studies you read our world population will decreace in the nest 40 to 120 years




latest from goes 16, as this year's extremely active severe weather season continues in the southeast states. more tornadoes, and fatalities this year than any of the previous 4 years.

keep your eyes to the sky, and have a plan.
Quoting 271. ricderr:



population growth is actually do to people living longer...depending on the studies you read our world population will decreace in the nest 40 to 120 years


It's also due to the increased birth survival rates (for both babies and mothers) due to advances in medicine. Generally as a country becomes more developed, people have less children/fertility rate decreases as well. That's one of the main reasons for the population to level off and start decreasing in the second half of this century - many developing countries will become much better developed, particualrly countries of Africa and Asia.
I'll never understand why people who didn't study science think they're qualified to say people who did study science are wrong in their conclusions. Another sad, sad day for America / our planet.... the 69th of 1461 :(
Do you believe Antarctic ice cap is here to stay? Well, think again:

Scientists highlight Antarctic ice upheaval in response to prehistoric climate change
Phys.org - March 29, 2017.

A team of scientists led by the University of Southampton has found that the Antarctic ice cap underwent dramatic cycles of expansion and melt-back millions of years ago when carbon dioxide levels were similar to those experienced today. (...) Dr Liebrand said: "Our research shows that even slow, naturally forced climate change is capable of driving rapid large-scale changes in ice volume in Antarctica -- and therefore global sea levels.

"This is of particular interest to scientists because humans are now the main agents of climate change, and the rates of change today are much faster than those that occurred millions of years ago during the interval that we studied.

"Increasingly we are understanding that the Antarctic ice cap is not some enduring monolithic block but a much more slippery ephemeral beast -- and the implications of that realisation for the future of Antarctic ice sheets in a very rapidly warming world have not escaped us." (...)

Professor Paul Wilson, a University of Southampton colleague also involved in the study, added: "All of this happened during an interval when atmospheric carbon dioxide levels ranged between today's human-influenced value and those that, at current rates of fossil fuel-burning, we will experience in 50 to 100 years from now.

"The Antarctic ice cap was incredibly dynamic -- it underwent repeated large-scale expansion and melt-back
in the twinkling of a geological eye."
Quoting 278. wxgeek723:

Lake Ontario ice house thaws, suffers no apparent damage


"Earlier this week, Kucko caught up with the homeowner Betty Perkins-Carpenter and asked what she thought about her ice-covered home.

"Gosh, it's pretty," said a chuckling Perkins-Carpenter."

Quoting 280. CarolinaHurricanes87:

I'll never understand why people who didn't study science think they're qualified to say people who did study science are wrong in their conclusions. Another sad, sad day for America / our planet.... the 69th of 1461 :(


You have no idea what you're talking about.... Trump isn't doing anything to hurt the planet.. How about you complain to China, India and about 10 other countries who are doing worse with emissions and other things.. like parts of S America with tearing down the rain forests also!
Quoting 274. Skyepony:




Blame the Sun for Global Warming.. and what did Obama do? Nothing! Cause he can't and no one can.. and even China and India who are the top 2 worst are only doing .2% to it!
Quoting 284. scottsvb:



You have no idea what you're talking about.... Trump isn't doing anything to hurt the planet.. How about you complain to China, India and about 10 other countries who are doing worse with emissions and other things.. like parts of S America with tearing down the rain forests also!

Just one of the many symptoms of Trump Derangement Syndrome. Blaming Trump for every little problem.
Quoting 285. scottsvb:



Blame the Sun for Global Warming.. and what did Obama do? Nothing! Cause he can't and no one can.. and even China and India who are the top 2 worst are only doing .2% to it!

Got any proof it's the sun? What? No? Cause it's really not the sun? It's physics & chemistry and people spewing greenhouse gasses into the air, including the pollution that kills more than 5.5 million people a year. Do you really condone that scottsvb?...killing millions of people because it makes you feel good to burn coal, make money at any expense and deny what is real? Even watch the video? Obama was a part of the rest of the world leaders trying to address this issue..you just want to blame the sun and other countries...
Take a deep breath, Jeff. The Earth and humankind have survived much more serious natural calamities than any political regime you care to name in the last 3,000 years.
Quoting 275. Grothar:



That makes sense. I always assumed that if it ever got to standing room only, there would be a decrease in the population.


you could fit everyone in the world into the state of texas and they would have about 1000 sq ft
Quoting 284. scottsvb:



You have no idea what you're talking about.... Trump isn't doing anything to hurt the planet.. How about you complain to China, India and about 10 other countries who are doing worse with emissions and other things.. like parts of S America with tearing down the rain forests also!


So, basically your argument boils down to - because others are doing it we should do it too. People commit homicide everyday, does that mean we should all be doing that?

It is an infantile argument - and one that is not very persuasive.
Quoting 289. Hydrargyrum:

Take a deep breath, Jeff. The Earth and humankind have survived much more serious natural calamities than any political regime you care to name in the last 3,000 years.

Natural calamities in the last three thousand years worse than the condoning of killing 5.5million people a year through air pollution?...please name one.
Quoting 255. no1der:

not from The Onion:

Energy Department climate office bans use of phrase 'climate change'
The Office of International Climate and Clean Energy is the only office at DOE with the word 'climate' in its name.
A supervisor at the Energy Department's international climate office told staff this week not to use the phrases "climate change," "emissions reduction" or "Paris Agreement" in written memos, briefings or other written communication

Employees of DOE's Office of International Climate and Clean Energy learned of the ban at a meeting Tuesday. At the meeting, senior officials told staff the words would cause a "visceral reaction" with Energy Secretary Rick Perry, his immediate staff, and the cadre of White House advisers at the top of the department.


Really does Rick Perry have a twitter account? A few lines of code . . . .
Quoting 282. scottsvb:

Trump’s Executive Order Threatens to Wreck Earth as a Livable Planet for Humans


Haha/.... that is sooo funny! Dumb Liberals!


At least we register on the IQ scale.
Quoting 187. nash36:



I, for one, would love to see the IRS abolished; sayonara, hasta. These "people" need to learn to live within their means. I don't get to write a bill that will fund me at higher rates than I currently have. They need to take X percentage out of paychecks every two weeks. After that, they get nothing, and LIKE it!!! No more tax returns; no more being told by the crooks at the IRS that you owe MORE f'ing money. Screw them!!! It's legalized theft.

If that means some programs have to be cut, so be it. Priorities.


Yeah, but when you have to shell out a good portion of your income to educate your kids, pay out of pocket for "protection" for your home and business, pay the real cost of driving around or heating/cooling your house, or have to shell out - in cash on the spot - hundreds or thousands of dollars to have electricity hooked back up to your house after the next hurricane, maybe then - and just maybe then - you'd appreciate that payment of a little by everyone goes a long way.
A Middle English pom from 1330-1340 AD about the beginning of spring, from an assignment Grothar gave to his students:

'Between March and April'

Betwene Mersh and Averil
When spray beginneth to springe,
The lutel foul hath hire wil
On hire lud to singe.
Ich libbe in love-longinge
For semlokest of alle thynge.
He may me blisse bringe;
Ich am in hire baundoun.
An hendy hap Ich habbe yhent!
Ichot from hevene it is me sent.
From alle wimmen my love is lent
And light on Alisoun.

On hew hire her is fair ynogh,
Hire browe browne, hire eye blake;
With lossum chere he on me logh,
With middel small and well ymake.
Bote he me wolle to hire take
For to ben hire owen make,
Longe to liven Ichulle forsake
And feye fallen adoun.
An hendy hap Ich habbe yhent!
Ichot from hevene it is me sent;
From alle wimmen my love is lent
And light on Alisoun.

Nightes when I wende and wake
Forthi mine wonges waxeth won
Levedy, all for thine sake,
Longinge is ylent me on.
In world nis non so witer mon
That all hire bounte telle con:
Hire swire is whittore than the swon,
And fairest may in toune.
An hendy hap Ich habbe yhent!
Ichot from hevene it is me sent;
From alle wimmen my love is lent
And light on Alisoun.

Ich am for wowing all forwake,
Wery so water in wore,
Lest eny reve me my make
Ychabbe yyirned yore.
Betere is tholien while sore
Than mournen evermore.
Geynest under gore,
Herkne to my roun!
An hendy hap Ich habbe yhent!
Ichot from hevene it is me sent;
From alle wimmen my love is lent
And light on Alisoun.
Quoting 210. 19N81W:



it just wont change.....there are areas in Cayman that havent had any precip since early November
this is becoming historic...


really cause in West Bay we have had a few decent showers since last year

Quoting 260. Gearsts:





yes all Nino regions have indeed cooled off over past week

also sub-surface cold pool is getting colder and slowly making its way to the surface


wxgeek723, I just sent you wundermail.
German Word for the today.

Massenkommunikationsdienstleistungsunternehmen


Quoting 296. BaltimoreBrian:

A Middle English pom from 1330-1340 AD about the beginning of spring, from an assignment Grothar gave to his students:

'Between March and April'

Betwene Mersh and Averil
When spray beginneth to springe,
The lutel foul hath hire wil
On hire lud to singe.
Ich libbe in love-longinge
For semlokest of alle thynge.
He may me blisse bringe;
Ich am in hire baundoun.
An hendy hap Ich habbe yhent!
Ichot from hevene it is me sent.
From alle wimmen my love is lent
And light on Alisoun.

On hew hire her is fair ynogh,
Hire browe browne, hire eye blake;
With lossum chere he on me logh,
With middel small and well ymake.
Bote he me wolle to hire take
For to ben hire owen make,
Longe to liven Ichulle forsake
And feye fallen adoun.
An hendy hap Ich habbe yhent!
Ichot from hevene it is me sent;
From alle wimmen my love is lent
And light on Alisoun.

Nightes when I wende and wake
Forthi mine wonges waxeth won
Levedy, all for thine sake,
Longinge is ylent me on.
In world nis non so witer mon
That all hire bounte telle con:
Hire swire is whittore than the swon,
And fairest may in toune.
An hendy hap Ich habbe yhent!
Ichot from hevene it is me sent;
From alle wimmen my love is lent
And light on Alisoun.

Ich am for wowing all forwake,
Wery so water in wore,
Lest eny reve me my make
Ychabbe yyirned yore.
Betere is tholien while sore
Than mournen evermore.
Geynest under gore,
Herkne to my roun!
An hendy hap Ich habbe yhent!
Ichot from hevene it is me sent;
From alle wimmen my love is lent
And light on Alisoun.



Kids couldn't spell in those days either.
Trump's move, Crimes against humanity.
Quoting 298. BaltimoreBrian:

wxgeek723, I just sent you wundermail.
Yep, good to make last uses of it before it is gone.
Quoting 290. ricderr:



you could fit everyone in the world into the state of texas and they would have about 1000 sq ft


Sweet! 500 sq ft to grow all the food I need to feed myself, a 200 square foot pond for my water, 100 square feet to process all of my waste, 200 square feet to live in....damn why am I wasting all this square footage on a house, I could be living large without no job or income on a mere fraction of the lot my house sits on.
So now looking like 90L will be a early season March teaser, chances of it becoming anything at this point are very low. Nonetheless, we are getting closer to the start of the Hurricane Season, and I actually can't wait to see how this new blog coming will do during the busy times.
Quoting 207. 98jetta:

To obtain a Doctorate in Climatology you must be able to utter "A mix of Sun and clouds" in two languages within 3 minutes.


What an idiotic statement. Most graduate programs in regards to climate science require solid scores on the GREs (Graduate Record Exam) for for math, physics and chemistry as well as an undergrad degree in a related field and usually a GPA higher than 3.25 if you want any hope of even being considered for acceptance into the program.

If you're looking for an easy doctorate program, climatology is most definitely NOT it.
Hi Dr. Masters. I am curious as to what the estimated value is for the amount of warming we experience in the daily air temps of isolated continental locales, as the atmospheric concentration of CO2 increases from year to year. Please tell my if you can, this value; thanks.
Quoting 259. Some1Has2BtheRookie:



This certainly sounds to me like Rick Perry had a private discussion with Rick Scott while they dined at Mar-a-Lago.


I wonder if this is what the last years of Rome felt like.
At least the title of this article wasn't alarmist. Sorry Dr. Masters if you didn't pick the title, but to blame all of the globe's weather woes on one man in one country is pretty arrogant.
Quoting 299. Grothar:

German Word for the today.

Massenkommunikationsdienstleistungsunternehmen





I pity the poor pigeon that would have to carry that one word in a message. It would be too heavy to fly! ;)
Absoulty correct says this meteorologist. Dr Masters you the best, keep pushing we must stop global warming.
Quoting 307. Xyrus2000:



I wonder if this is what the last years of Rome felt like.


At least at the end of Roman Empire they threw endless parties. There ain't no party happening here now.
Quoting 305. Xyrus2000:



What an idiotic statement. Most graduate programs in regards to climate science require solid scores on the GREs (Graduate Record Exam) for for math, physics and chemistry as well as an undergrad degree in a related field and usually a GPA higher than 3.25 if you want any hope of even being considered for acceptance into the program.

If you're looking for an easy doctorate program, climatology is most definitely NOT it.


Perhaps a dissertation in 20th century lit on Ayn Rand's work might be a better fit for that fella.
Quoting 289. Hydrargyrum:

Take a deep breath, Jeff. The Earth and humankind have survived much more serious natural calamities than any political regime you care to name in the last 3,000 years.


Ze-Dong Mao - 49,000,000 killed (some sources say higher)
Adolf Hitler- 12,000,000 killed
Leopold II of Belgium- 8,000,000 killed
Jozef Stalin - 7,000,000 killed

The only thing that comes close to this is the Black Plague, and even then it wouldn't have been nearly as devastating if human ignorance, greed, and ideology hadn't given it a massive helping hand.

Humans are quite good at destroying themselves. But none of these holds a candle to global climate destabilization. On the business as usual path, billions will die (mostly from famine and starvation in poorer less developed nations).
Quoting 227. KwajAlien:

Wow...isn't the internet wonderful?! We've developed a virtual platform where those who know nothing can "debate" those who know considerable. It's like if I walked into where brain surgery was being performed and said to the surgeon, "Phhh...only an idiot would use that tool to perform this type of procedure." Mic drop...then strut out proudly.

Ignorance with arrogance may have won the day...but the rest of us need to minimize their use of sharp objects.


If there's one thing that scares me most about today it's just that. I was taught to respect the hard work of experts, and that there's nothing offensive about someone knowing a lot more about a subject than another person because of hard work and dedication to the study.

It seems today it's becoming increasingly popular for people to take offense when a PHD scientist presents facts, it's as if people literally get their ego's wounded over issues like climate science because the scientist is more well educated, and thus such people take it as personally offensive. It's popular for people to be legends in their own minds, that untested reasoning and untested ideas with no sound support are able to stand against the council of hard, tested facts and sound reasoning.

Quoting 295. daddyjames:



Yeah, but when you have to shell out a good portion of your income to educate your kids, pay out of pocket for "protection" for your home and business, pay the real cost of driving around or heating/cooling your house, or have to shell out - in cash on the spot - hundreds or thousands of dollars to have electricity hooked back up to your house after the next hurricane, maybe then - and just maybe then - you'd appreciate that payment of a little by everyone goes a long way.


Based on annual statistics, I pay a lot more in taxes than most people on here do. And while I grumble just like everyone else, I also understand the necessity for doing so. Self-entitled ignoramuses like the one you responded to aren't even smart enough to realize the immense irony of their statements. Most areas in the country wouldn't even have basic infrastructure if it weren't for the taxes that are used to subsidize it in the first place.
anyone in baytown tx today hear or see a water spout in galveston bay? i heard some rumors, was looking for any evidence? i was checking out the PWS around the area and noticed a fairly obvious pressure dip at 337 ish in the stations near by. kinda cool to see. would like to know if anyone saw anything, the rain was pretty severe at that time, so visual evidence would be tough to get. thanks in advance
Quoting 307. Xyrus2000:



I wonder if this is what the last years of Rome felt like.


Perhaps that, or perhaps The Roaring Twenties
Quoting 275. Grothar:

That makes sense. I always assumed that if it ever got to standing room only, there would be a decrease in the population.
Quoting 311. Some1Has2BtheRookie:



At least at the end of Roman Empire they threw endless parties. There ain't no party happening here now.


U Missed Fat Tuesday again.

Quoting 309. Some1Has2BtheRookie:



I pity the poor pigeon that would have to carry that one word in a message. It would be too heavy to fly! ;)


His PDF for the Great Flood, (Grothar), well the keyboard used still Exist.




Quoting 290. ricderr:



you could fit everyone in the world into the state of texas and they would have about 1000 sq ft


Where are the Bulls gonna pee?

"Stand on Zanzibar" by John Brunner
"...the title refers to an early twentieth-century claim that the world's population could fit onto the Isle of Wight – which has an area of 381 square kilometres (147 sq mi) – if they were all standing upright. Brunner remarked that the growing world population now required a larger island; the 3.5 billion people living in 1968 could stand together on the Isle of Man (area 572 square kilometres (221 sq mi)), while the 7 billion people who he (correctly) projected would be alive in 2010 would need to stand on Zanzibar (area 1,554 square kilometres (600 sq mi))."
Quoting 290. ricderr:
you could fit everyone in the world into the state of texas and they would have about 1000 sq ft

Yep, but if they were all put in Alaska they'd have double the space, and about the same amount of useless land per person as in Texas! :-)
Actually the coefficient of heating for carbon dioxide is .000512 deg C/ppm. This amounts to .21 deg C out of the 32.8 deg C above black-body temperature that we enjoy each day. Of course if water vapor concentration drops below 11000 ppm then the amount of heating due to carbon dioxide increases up to as much as 1 deg C or slightly higher. This means the model of climate change, that has failed on its predictions has much less impact than purported. Anthropogenic global warming is very small and and therefore the anthropogenic release of CO2 into the atmosphere is insignificant; however, these are my findings from a very detailed study over the course of the past 2 years. I propose that the amount of heating due to carbon dioxide is due the product of 3 factors. 1) concentration H2O (ppmv)/concentration CO2 (ppmv); 2) Infra-red absorption of wavelengths ranging from 2.7 um to 24 um H2O/CO2; 3) Diffusion rate H2O/CO2. On average this product is 157.
11:11 the structure of the cosmos



The closest packed structure of tetrahedron
is a 7 cell cluster atop 3 on top of one.



7 come 11 through 1 plus 3 and 7
forms fine structure constant and God's written blueprint.

Pyramid (of cells/godheads) on top of pyramid = 11 over 11.

137

The fine structure constant (1/137 and Greek letter Alpha) "characterizes the strength of the electromagnetic interaction between elementary charged particles (the probability that an electron will absorb a photon). When you get 137 protons, you get 137 photons, and you get a 100% chance of absorption."

Tengri 137 (God's number) is a mysterious online puzzle. Full of complicated math and esoteric messages, it's been solved up to the final piece/message.

7 came, 7 spoke, 7 saved

7 was the key that unlocked the mystery.
I with 7th veil, heard history's tale.
7 spirits named, on God's family tree;
a story they explained and revealed to me.

Two thirds is 666, tipping point's hour midnight ticks.
The wave of the Demiurge maintains one third evil
to avoid the purge and His frequency upheaval.

Point 667 will halt His reign,
Earth as heaven to become the gain.
Point 333 equals the fail
of one third humanity to lift the veil.

I drew two 7's and flipped one down,
together they formed hourglass crown.
Like pyramids touching tips explains the universe,
we take spiral trips, these funnels we traverse.



This our 7th time in planet history,
to make the climb, atop this tree.
We failed before to make the grade,
with 7 we soar, new story be made.

The closest packed structure of tetrahedron
is a 7 cell cluster atop 3 on top of one.
7 come 11 through 1 plus 3 and 7
forms fine structure constant and God's written blueprint.

7 the final digit of largest number known,
all of which can't fit with 1 per atom shown.
The flower and egg of life holds the 7 key,
He plus She the wife, makes 3 of 1 S/He.


The 7 sacred fires, like the bible's seals,
tell of 7 ages as prophecy reveals.
The Elders are awakened, stories coming true;
we haven't been forsaken, it's all up to you.
Quoting 303. goavs4:



Sweet! 500 sq ft to grow all the food I need to feed myself, a 200 square foot pond for my water, 100 square feet to process all of my waste, 200 square feet to live in....damn why am I wasting all this square footage on a house, I could be living large without no job or income on a mere fraction of the lot my house sits on.


That was a great illustration of why population is a problem. Sarcastically - let's tell billionaires that think there's no population problem that they should all hope to achieve such minimalism. Yeah, this proves conclusively the whole refugee crisis in the middle east is fake news. And heck, you can stack stuff too so let's have bunkbeds in tree houses on top of roads.
Quoting 325. SpudKing09:

There is actually a lot of new research that shows the solar changes have a stronger forcing effect, i.e., many times more than CO2...it should really interest any open minded scientist like yourself...or are you just a political scientist?



Can you provide a link? Most research I have found suggests that current warming trends are outside of those suggested by the Malanckovich cycle
I watched the most beautiful and spectacular sunset here in New Mexico tonight. The clouds turned from hot pink to deep orange and then to colors that can only be described as different shades of purple. The background sky changed from turquoise to robin blue and then finally an inky blue while a sliver of moon hung in the sky. The junipers and the grassy hillside reflected these colors and looked like a surreal painting sold in Fanta Se (Santa Fe). As I was watching this enthralling spectacle someone played a guitar from the top of the hill behind my residence. Pure magic and pure nature. If you have never seen a New Mexico sunset you have never truly lived. Magic still happens and this landscape is a pleasure and privilege i have live in for six decades. It has shaped my beliefs and I wish everyone in other parts of the country could experience a similar natural Picasso with awareness of the gifts we have on this planet.
Damn the defecation in Washington!
PURA VIDA!
Quoting 325. SpudKing09:

There is actually a lot of new research that shows the solar changes have a stronger forcing effect, i.e., many times more than CO2...it should really interest any open minded scientist like yourself...or are you just a political scientist?




I am not a scientist, but I have great deal of interest in Science. Where is the link to this research?

Have you ever heard of the solar constant?
Hmmmm, it appears that solar energy, what little variation there is in it, is actually down this for this century. Yet global temperatures are still rising. The Arctic region, an area of far less sunlight than the equatorial region, is warming at about twice the rate as the rest of the planet. Until recently the northern hemisphere was warming faster than the southern hemisphere, although they are beginning to balance out now. How does this "it's the sun" theory correlate with all of this?

The coefficient of excess windbaggery and unfounded hooliganism in post 326 is 1. I propose that the amount of anthropogenic global heating ignorance attributable to hyper-bloviation is the product of 3 factors. 1) concentration of bilious gases about the head and mouth; 2) Absorption of Limbaugh fatty acid; 3) Diffusion rate of extremist right-wing propaganda.

The race to the bottom is being won by the current excuse for a potus. Be indivisible. Resist.
Best post ever Dr Masters, I'm glad you're able to to "tell it as it is" rather than keeping quiet for fear of sacrificing your job in these unsettling times. It renews my hope. Keep up the good work.

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Quoting 315. Xyrus2000:



Based on annual statistics, I pay a lot more in taxes than most people on here do. And while I grumble just like everyone else, I also understand the necessity for doing so. Self-entitled ignoramuses like the one you responded to aren't even smart enough to realize the immense irony of their statements. Most areas in the country wouldn't even have basic infrastructure if it weren't for the taxes that are used to subsidize it in the first place.


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Quoting 326. WU_9113452:

Actually the coefficient of heating for carbon dioxide is .000512 deg C/ppm. This amounts to .21 deg C out of the 32.8 deg C above black-body temperature that we enjoy each day. Of course if water vapor concentration drops below 11000 ppm then the amount of heating due to carbon dioxide increases up to as much as 1 deg C or slightly higher. This means the model of climate change, that has failed on its predictions has much less impact than purported. Anthropogenic global warming is very small and and therefore the anthropogenic release of CO2 into the atmosphere is insignificant; however, these are my findings from a very detailed study over the course of the past 2 years. I propose that the amount of heating due to carbon dioxide is due the product of 3 factors. 1) concentration H2O (ppmv)/concentration CO2 (ppmv); 2) Infra-red absorption of wavelengths ranging from 2.7 um to 24 um H2O/CO2; 3) Diffusion rate H2O/CO2. On average this product is 157.



+1 for the solid troll attempt. Sad thing is Trump supporters will see this and go tell all their friends, "see, I told you climate change isn't real!" I hate that innocent people will be harmed by all this for generations, but part of me knows that humanity deserves the fate we're sealing when we deny reality, facts, and science
Quoting 332. petrichor:

The coefficient of excess windbaggery and unfounded hooliganism in post 326 is 1. I propose that the amount of anthropogenic global heating ignorance attributable to hyper-bloviation is the product of 3 factors. 1) concentration of bilious gases about the head and mouth; 2) Absorption of Limbaugh fatty acid; 3) Diffusion rate of extremist right-wing propaganda.

The race to the bottom is being won by the current excuse for a potus. Be indivisible. Resist.



This is not how science works; science is not established by the successful ability of an illiterate to throw a fit and call names. Science is not subject to political Heresy.
Quoting 326. WU_9113452:

Actually the coefficient of heating for carbon dioxide is .000512 deg C/ppm. This amounts to .21 deg C out of the 32.8 deg C above black-body temperature that we enjoy each day. Of course if water vapor concentration drops below 11000 ppm then the amount of heating due to carbon dioxide increases up to as much as 1 deg C or slightly higher. This means the model of climate change, that has failed on its predictions has much less impact than purported. Anthropogenic global warming is very small and and therefore the anthropogenic release of CO2 into the atmosphere is insignificant; however, these are my findings from a very detailed study over the course of the past 2 years. I propose that the amount of heating due to carbon dioxide is due the product of 3 factors. 1) concentration H2O (ppmv)/concentration CO2 (ppmv); 2) Infra-red absorption of wavelengths ranging from 2.7 um to 24 um H2O/CO2; 3) Diffusion rate H2O/CO2. On average this product is 157.


"... these are my findings from a very detailed study over the course of the past 2 years."
Have you ever heard of "show your work"?

"Of course if water vapor concentration drops below 11000 ppm then the amount of heating due to carbon dioxide increases up to as much as 1 deg C or slightly higher."
Are you aware that as the temperature rises in a column of air that the column of air's potential to hold more WV also rises? As the air column cools its potential to hold WV decreases. In other words, it is impossible for WV to initiate the warming. WV is a feedback, not an initiator, of a warming climate. WV also quickly precipitates back out of the atmosphere whereas CO2 remains in the atmosphere from decades to centuries.

"This means the model of climate change, that has failed on its predictions has much less impact than purported."
The models have actually performed quite well, but not perfectly. The models had indicated that the Arctic sea ice would likely not melt out (<15% coverage) until the year 2100, under the worst case scenario. Observations now reveal that this is likely to happen by the year 2050, if not before. This would be under the current "business as usual" scenario.

The models had also indicated that Greenland's ice would likely remain stable until at least the year 2100. Again, this was under the worst case scenario. Observations reveal to us that parts of Greenland's ice is already unstable and that will likely not reverse.

The models had also indicated that the Antarctic's land ice would likely remain stable for the next 1,000 years, of more. The Antarctic's ice is already showing signs of collapse.

You are right. The models did fail in their predictions, just in the way that you think that they did. How does all of research stack up against these observations?
My 2 NOAA Alert Radios are battery backed up and on ready tone alert.


Do not go to sleep without a NOAA Alert capability in and to the east of the current watches.

This one has mojo, flavor and a solid trek east..

Thanks Patrap, I just got put in the watch zone ahead of this mess. Up East of you.
Quoting 325. SpudKing09:

There is actually a lot of new research that shows the solar changes have a stronger forcing effect, i.e., many times more than CO2...it should really interest any open minded scientist like yourself...or are you just a political scientist?



I guess SpudKing09 is still looking for the very best papers to back up his/her assertion. Godspeed SpudKing09!
(I hope they're not all paywalled)
Quoting 338. WU_9113452:



This is not how science works; science is not established by the successful ability of an illiterate to throw a fit and call names. Science is not subject to political Heresy.


+1 again, for giving us several reasons why you're wrong. I hope and would really like to believe that you're just trolling, but nothing surprises me anymore.
Quoting 343. CarolinaHurricanes87:



+1 again, for giving us several reasons why you're wrong. I hope and would really like to believe that you're just trolling, but nothing surprises me anymore.


My greatest fear of the moment is that Heartland's "Puppet Day" will be extended for a week. shudder
When post 338 comes up with some science, I'll respond. But hyper-bloviation is what it was, not science. There may have been an inkling of a factoid in there somewhere, but no science, whatsoever. Here's some science for you.
Climate trends account for stalled wheat yields in Australia since 1990
Quoting 341. petrichor:

Thanks Patrap, I just got put in the watch zone ahead of this mess. Up East of you.


Itsa potent system and has a Tornadic History already.

And be ready again Sunday thru Tuesday morn as the next round may be even wetter and longer.

Good luck and see yas in the am.

Big Duke NOLA 7 going to get some rest before the Klaxons begin.





Area forecast discussion 
National Weather Service New Orleans la
925 PM CDT Wed Mar 29 2017

..severe thunderstorms possible later tonight into Thursday...

Update...

Updated forecast earlier this evening for Tornado Watch #101 and
to increase the pop tonight, mainly for areas in the I-55 corridor
and a bit east to account for a slightly faster eastward
progression of the current leading edge of thunderstorms.
Thunderstorms that have been producing hail up to around 1 inch at
times (with larger sizes indicated by radar hail algorithms) have
been moving across south central Louisiana and some of these
storms may prompt severe thunderstorm warnings after 9:30 PM
starting in Iberville Parish if current intensity is maintained.

Special note about web Page problems...due to a National server
issue, some of the graphical information on the top of the
National Weather Service New Orleans/Baton Rouge Page /
weather.Gov/lix may not be current. Recent postings will still be
available on our facebook and twitter pages. 22/dew point

&&

Previous discussion... /issued 402 PM CDT Wed Mar 29 2017/

Discussion...difficult forecast shaping up. The risk for severe
storms is impressive and tonight could even be more of a concern
than tomorrow. That said a few things could actually help keep the
risk mostly out of the area tomorrow. As for today it was a warm and
generally quiet day for our region but a few severe storms have
developed over southeastern Texas and southwestern la and south into
the northwestern Gulf. This activity could move into our area during
the overnight hours.

Tonight and tomorrow should be active. As has been mentioned the
last few days this activity will be driven by a strong upper low
over the Southern Plains and moving into the mid MS valley by
tomorrow evening. We are currently outlooked with an enhanced risk
in the extreme northwest with a slight risk almost all the way to I
55 across sela for tonight. Tomorrow the entire area is under a
slight risk.

The first piece of concern will be overnight tonight and as
mentioned earlier may actually be the greatest risk for severe
weather. There will actually be quite a bit of ingredients in place
tonight across the northwestern portions of the outlook area and the
models have struggled to catch up with the environment and speed of
convection. First as the main trough axis slowly swings through
Texas forcing will increase but in addition a lead vort Max will
swing through overnight. Mid lvl winds will increase with h5 winds
increasing to 50 kts. The best ll convergence will set up late
this evening and through the overnight hours across the northwest.
In addition the ll wind field will respond to the increasing
forcing and h85 winds could approach 40 kts. An unstable
environment will be in place with impressive mid level lapse rates
still anticipated and showalters still expected around -4 to -5
and MLCAPE around 1000j/kg. The difluent feature aloft that we
have been advertising will likely be more over the region tonight
now and displaced to the south over the Gulf tomorrow. The
combination of shear, instability, and forcing looks like it could
be in place during the overnight hours and this would suggest a
decent risk of severe storms. Ongoing activity could continue
through the night and possibly expand as we feel the impact of the
increasing lift. All modes of severe weather are possible but of
somewhat greater concern is the model soundings have been showing
a rather curved hodograph overnight. This is favorable for
tornadoes especially if the storms are more cellular in nature and
not necessarily a line.

Tomorrow we are under a slight risk but there are numerous
questions. First it seems like models have trended towards the
difluent area aloft lining up in the Gulf and this would favor
convection, possibly an MCS, developing over the Gulf quickly
tomorrow morning and this would effectively shut US down. If the mesoscale convective system
doesn't develop then we could see strong to severe storms tomorrow
with large hail being the greatest concern. The other possibility is
if the mesoscale convective system develops and pushes east really quick. If this occurs
it would allow the region to recover and destabilize. Then as the
cold front and the main trough push in we could see thunderstorms
begin to fire right along the front. These storms would mainly
pose a hail risk. Storms should quickly come to an end early
tomorrow evening with much drier air moving in.

One other thing to mention, there will be a lot of moisture
available. With the rather impressive upper level jet in place, an
increasing ll jet and h85 Theta East Ridge nosing into the region,
storms will be very efficient and could quickly drop 1-2 inches of
rain in less than half an hour. This could lead to isolated areas
of flash flooding if storms hit the wrong areas. /Cab/

Fri through Sat will be quiet as ridging takes place. Conditions
begin to go downhill once again sun. Still some uncertainty
regarding timing but another very potent system will makes its way
through the Southern Plains sun and into the lower MS valley
sometime Mon/early Tue. This will bring more showers and
thunderstorms with severe weather possible but also very heavy rain
and could drop over 5 inches across portions of the region.


Hey guys, I like this place. Been following for sec. Love the distinctive personalities and hard amature science. (with some real I am sure) Don't dispair, Disqus is not that bad...little more rapid fire, but I would love to see some of you shoot down some ignorance. It would be good to reach more people, more trolls sure, but more battles for all of you to win. There is a lack of real info on the internet, just a lot of uninformed opinion. Please help change that and join the fray. Now more then ever. Don't view this as bad, but as a way to expand and hone your skills. Anyways, not here much, but that is what I have to say. Side note, sad about tornado chasing tragedy. They will be missed.
@347 Get some rest, good buddy. These heightened conditions were supposed to persist for about two weeks for us in the S-SE, and I'm hoping we are really half way through this now....
Quoting 338. WU_9113452:



This is not how science works; science is not established by the successful ability of an illiterate to throw a fit and call names. Science is not subject to political Heresy.


Yeah, no kidding. Unfortunately, many of those who can't or won't refute AGW (you know, science) resort to politically motivated lying, cheating, slander and bullying. I really do think you know what I mean.
Quoting 349. petrichor:

@347 Get some rest, good buddy. These heightened conditions were supposed to persist for about two weeks for us in the S-SE, and I'm hoping we are really half way through this now....


Sunday's forecast for the Houston area is suppose to be more intense than what we got today. I have pictures of street flooding in Baytown and a downed tree limb that completely blocked the road.
Quoting 326. WU_9113452:

Actually the coefficient of heating for carbon dioxide is .000512 deg C/ppm. This amounts to .21 deg C out of the 32.8 deg C above black-body temperature that we enjoy each day. Of course if water vapor concentration drops below 11000 ppm then the amount of heating due to carbon dioxide increases up to as much as 1 deg C or slightly higher. This means the model of climate change, that has failed on its predictions has much less impact than purported. Anthropogenic global warming is very small and and therefore the anthropogenic release of CO2 into the atmosphere is insignificant; however, these are my findings from a very detailed study over the course of the past 2 years. I propose that the amount of heating due to carbon dioxide is due the product of 3 factors. 1) concentration H2O (ppmv)/concentration CO2 (ppmv); 2) Infra-red absorption of wavelengths ranging from 2.7 um to 24 um H2O/CO2; 3) Diffusion rate H2O/CO2. On average this product is 157.

Still trying to figure out what the coefficient of heating is?
Quoting 350. JimSpriggs:



Yeah, no kidding. Unfortunately, many of those who can't or won't refute AGW (you know, science) resort to politically motivated lying, cheating, slander and bullying. I really do think you know what I mean.

Jim, thanks for keeping it civil and low key; without all the conflation games and really hitting the nail on the head.
Quoting 325. SpudKing09:

There is actually a lot of new research that shows the solar changes have a stronger forcing effect, i.e., many times more than CO2...it should really interest any open minded scientist like yourself...or are you just a political scientist?




Hmmmm,

The crap your spewing, just adds to the problem.
Methane
From Forbes (!!?)
The First Climate Model Turns 50, And Predicted Global Warming Almost Perfectly

"if you google "climate models wrong", eight of the first ten results showcase failure. But headlines are never as reliable as going to the scientific source itself, and the ultimate source, in this case, is the first accurate climate model ever: by Syukuro Manabe and Richard T. Wetherald. 50 years after their groundbreaking 1967 paper, the science can be robustly evaluated, and they got almost everything exactly right."
Quoting 307. Xyrus2000:



I wonder if this is what the last years of Rome felt like.



Oh, it was awfvl. If you think protesting is difficvlt today, try doing it in a Toga!
Quoting 352. daddyjames:


Still trying to figure out what the coefficient of heating is?

The coefficient of heating for carbon dioxide is the calculated value for the contribution to the daily average temperature, above the Earth's average black-body temperature (-18 deg. C) that carbon dioxide contributes. Take the coefficient of heating x ppmv CO2 and this will be the contribution that carbon dioxide provides in the difference between average black-body temperature and the average daily temperature of a stable isolated continental air mass. On earth, the average 11,000 ppmv H2O provides the difference that CO2 lacks. This coefficient actually works for Venus as well. Venus is a little less complicated, due to the fact that water vapor is low and not condensing in the atmosphere; as well, there is some amount of SO2 that is a greenhouse gas. On Venus the ppmv for carbon dioxide is 965000 ppmv; its black-body temperature is 226.6 Kelvin. I will let all the math and science literates on this blog do the elementary arithmetic to get the answer and check it on Venus fact sheet.

Quoting 356. Grothar:


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Oh, it was awfvl. If you think protesting is difficvlt today, try doing it in a Toga!


Is Doc Masters' blog going to continue even though all the others are going away on Monday?
I certainly hope so!
THERMODYNAMICS AND CHEMISTRY
SECOND EDITION

A pretty good free textbook for comment 357. It's a good starting point for the scientifically challenged who can't state a proper definition.

And, in all fairness, if we include Venus in our calculations, we have to include Planet X also, indexed against the price of peanuts of course.
Quoting 361. petrichor:

THERMODYNAMICS AND CHEMISTRY
SECOND EDITION

A pretty good free textbook for comment 357. It's a good starting point for the scientifically challenged who can't state a proper definition.

And, in all fairness, if we include Venus in our calculations, we have to include Planet X also, indexed against the price of peanuts of course.


that definition won't be in the textbook, it is a term I coined and a definition I wrote for the term. You wan't to debate thermodynamics, quantum mechanics and science, go for it. And your rhetorical banter is really not how all this is supposed to work. I mean come on show me what you have besides that, really!
The circulation in the mediterranean has become larger. Lightening and, needless to say, thunder around Rhodes island.

364. elioe
Quoting 357. WU_9113452:



Ever tried to create an one-dimensional model, applying Planck's law to a troposphere with a certain lapse rate and one greenhouse gas? The necessary boundary conditions being, that outbound IR radiation at the top of troposphere remains constant, and inbound IR radiation is zero. You don't need any specific greenhouse gas spectrum, you can randomly generate any values of emissivity. Whatever values you choose, you will find, that although the temperature-concentration relation is originally linear, very soon it becomes roughly logarithmic. Way before the greenhouse effect reaches 30 Kelvin.

Then you can generate another greenhouse gas spectrum. In this atmosphere of two greenhouse gases, try different values for concentration of each. You will find out, that the ratio of concentrations is meaningless. Actually, there is no equation to derive the total effect of two gases from the separated effects of those, unless the emissivities have the same fixed ratio at each wavelength.

Then you can try an atmosphere, where one of those gases has a concentration decreasing with altitude (like water vapor). You will find out, that the surface concentration of that gas becomes meaningless in an atmosphere with Earth-like greenhouse warming.

Then you can try to lower the surface, while keeping the pressure at top of troposphere constant, to see how the surface pressure affects surface temperature. You will see, that the surface temperature definitely isn't solely a function of greenhouse gas concentration.

And of course you can then try different lapse rates for a 92 bar atmosphere, to see what difference the ability of water vapor to condense in the atmosphere really makes. Actually, the reasons for the extreme temperature difference between Venus and Earth are the following:

The most important: Venus has a 92 bar atmosphere, rather than 1 bar.
The next important: Venus lacks sufficient water vapor to cause a moist adiabatic lapse rate.
The least important: Venus has 96.5% of carbon dioxide, rather than 0.04%.
Quoting 232. nashvillebill:



"Your Honor, even though there is a videotape of my client starting that forest fire, and even though his fingerprints were found on the gas can at the scene of the forest fire, and even though he posted on social media that he started the forest fire, there is no way he could've started that forest fire, because ten years ago lightning started a forest fire."



Black ice , causes car wrecks , therefore all car wrecks are caused by black ice.
for 362
Your invented definition is non-rigorous, so it is not even a starting point for a real discussion of the science. That is why I sent you a link to a text book, so you can try to learn what a rigorous definition is. We don't do science by 'coining' our own definitions. We do science by using the proper terminology and definitions appropriate for the field of science we wish to discuss.
Good morning with a glance to Debbie's aftermath down under.


Source for updates.

Schools closed, evacuations ordered as 'nightmare' Debbie stalks south
March 30, 2017, 5:51pm
THOUSANDS of residents have been ordered to evacuate ahead of major flooding as southeast Queensland and northern NSW are lashed by the leftovers of ex-tropical cyclone Debbie.

Thousands told to evacuate Australian town after cyclone brings flood fears
Thu Mar 30, 2017 | 3:08am EDT

Southeast Queensland schools closed due to bad weather caused by Cyclone Debbie
Staff writers, wires, News Corp Australia Network, 5 minutes ago

South-east Queensland could get up to 500mm of rain by the end of today as the weather system spreads chaos into NSW. Follow all the updates live
LIVE Updated 2m ago, The Guardian

Schools closed, evacuations ordered as ‘nightmare’ Debbie stalks south

At nearby Springbrook, in the Gold Coast hinterland, a massive 380mm had fallen by midday, with as much as 500mm predicted — more than four times the average monthly rainfall in Brisbane for March.

Link
In New York, neighbors trading solar energy electrify community
by Sebastien Malo | Thomson Reuters Foundation, Thursday, 30 March 2017 00:01 GMT
A quiet energy revolution is taking place in the homes that light up in the evening in the New York City neighborhoods of Gowanus Canal and Park Slope.
It isn't just power plant electricity that keeps this community lit at night, but also energy generated by neighbors across the street or a few houses away, who send one another their excess production of solar power.
The experiment, called TransActive Grid, aims to soon allow homes and businesses fitted with solar panels and "smart" meters to sell spare electricity to neighbors, rather than simply give it away as they do now.
The change could herald a revolution in the way power is produced and sold not only in New York but potentially across the country and around the world, with roof-mounted solar panels joined to become neighbourhood-controlled power plants.
The idea has inspired a slew of entrepreneurs - from Australia to Finland to South Africa - to launch startups, and caught the attention of large power utilities worldwide. ...

More see link above.


Solar panels on the rooftop of a building in Brooklyn are connected to startup LO3 Energy’s TransActive Grid in this undated picture. Photo courtesy of LO3 Energy/Handout via Thomson Reuters Foundation
Quoting 364. elioe:



Ever tried to create an one-dimensional model, applying Planck's law to a troposphere with a certain lapse rate and one greenhouse gas? The necessary boundary conditions being, that outbound IR radiation at the top of troposphere remains constant, and inbound IR radiation is zero. You don't need any specific greenhouse gas spectrum, you can randomly generate any values of emissivity. Whatever values you choose, you will find, that although the temperature-concentration relation is originally linear, very soon it becomes roughly logarithmic. Way before the greenhouse effect reaches 30 Kelvin.

Then you can generate another greenhouse gas spectrum. In this atmosphere of two greenhouse gases, try different values for concentration of each. You will find out, that the ratio of concentrations is meaningless. Actually, there is no equation to derive the total effect of two gases from the separated effects of those, unless the emissivities have the same fixed ratio at each wavelength.

Then you can try an atmosphere, where one of those gases has a concentration decreasing with altitude (like water vapor). You will find out, that the surface concentration of that gas becomes meaningless in an atmosphere with Earth-like greenhouse warming.

Then you can try to lower the surface, while keeping the pressure at top of troposphere constant, to see how the surface pressure affects surface temperature. You will see, that the surface temperature definitely isn't solely a function of greenhouse gas concentration.

And of course you can then try different lapse rates for a 92 bar atmosphere, to see what difference the ability of water vapor to condense in the atmosphere really makes. Actually, the reasons for the extreme temperature difference between Venus and Earth are the following:

The most important: Venus has a 92 bar atmosphere, rather than 1 bar.
The next important: Venus lacks sufficient water vapor to cause a moist adiabatic lapse rate.
The least important: Venus has 96.5% of carbon dioxide, rather than 0.04%.

This that you mention is part of it; not all of it. The temperature lapse rate of .0065 K/m is due to radiation and convection. Of course the water vapor in the air and the level of the dew point will also vary from one locale to another, by orographic movement of air over a mountain range for example.

If we look how the greenhouse gases absorb IR emitted by Earth's surface, we can define how much heat can be absorbed by different greenhouse gases. By law of conservation of energy there must not be more energy captured by each resonator in the atmosphere than the total number of resonators. Both carbon dioxide and water vapor become excited in states of super position at different black-body wave lengths. But it is not only the wavelenghts from roughly 6 um to 24 um that the earth as a black body emits. Liquid water in droplets on the condensation nuclei of clouds will be able to absorb the latent heat from water condensation, and so we must include these wavelengths is the 2.7 um to 6 um. Including all these wavelengths and calculating the energy absorption ratio of a molecule of CO2 and a molecule of H2O vapor in superposition gives one important ratio. The other ratio is how fast these molecules can hand off their absorbed heat to other molecules. And finally the concentration ratio of resonators is indeed important. Other resonators such as methane, ground level ozone, Nox are all beyond significant digit range to calculate, as they are in the ppbv and pptv range. IR photons get scattered, I imagine a lot like Compton scattering and they can be absorbed and remitted until they escape the surly bonds of earths. (sorry for that there) I imagine the earth's IR absorption and emission as similar to the view out the jet window above Denver, in a blizzard. The city below is all a glow, light is making it out of the city, but the scattering is really quite something to behold.
Quoting 366. petrichor:

for 362
Your invented definition is non-rigorous, so it is not even a starting point for a real discussion of the science. That is why I sent you a link to a text book, so you can try to learn what a rigorous definition is. We don't do science by 'coining' our own definitions. We do science by using the proper terminology and definitions appropriate for the field of science we wish to discuss.

You don't do science, you do rhetoric. If you just took time to smell the roses, along with the rain, maybe you could clear out your desire to win a scientific debate by being irascible.
Scott Wagner explains climate change: 'We're moving closer to the sun'

Good Wednesday Morning, Fellow Seekers.
Republican 2018 guv candidate Scott Wagner keynoted an event for natural gas advocates in Harrisburg on Tuesday, offering an ... ah ... novel explanation for the scientific phenomenon known as climate change:

"I haven't been in a science class in a long time, but the earth moves closer to the sun every year-you know the rotation of the earth," Wagner, a York County state senator, said, according to StateImpact Pennsylvania. "We're moving closer to the sun."


Link
New Zealand: Nightmare day of travel as flights delayed around the country
1:54 PM Thursday Mar 30, 2017
Flights were grounded for around 24 hours after sea fog rolled in yesterday morning, leaving thousands spending an unscheduled night in the capital. ...

Fiji: Vanishing land
Repeka Nasiko, Thursday, March 30, 2017

Highlights of the Pacific Islands Regional Action Plan for Climate Science, Part I
What’s at risk? Changing? The best strategy?
March 30, 2017, Lahaina News
The Pacific Islands are expected to see increased ocean temperatures, rising sea levels, increased ocean acidity, lower ocean productivity and changes in ocean currents, weather patterns and extreme weather.
Many of these changes have already been observed and are projected to intensify further. Ecosystems and communities will be impacted by these changes in many ways.
Decision-makers need information on the timing, nature and magnitude of climate-related impacts to this region's valuable marine resources. ...


Peru's floods are destroying its rich archeological heritage
BI/Reuters, 22h ago
374. elioe
Quoting 370. WU_9113452:



Latent heat absorption by droplets affects the range of wavelengths to be considered.

A substance being beyond the range to calculate due to low concentration.

Resonator blah blah blah and superposition blaaaargh.


Best laughs of the week, thank you! Have you considered to found a new cult of esoteric pseudoscience? Now I know what it sounds like, when a dictionary of scientific-sounding terms is given to an Internet troll.

But enough of troll-feeding for this day. I have real science to study today.
Quoting 374. elioe:



Latent heat absorption by droplets affects the range of wavelengths to be considered.

A substance being beyond the range to calculate due to low concentration.

Resonator blah blah blah and superposition blaaaargh.


Best laughs of the week, thank you! Have you considered to found a new cult of esoteric pseudoscience? Now I know what it sounds like, when a dictionary of scientific-sounding terms is given to an Internet troll.

But enough of troll-feeding for this day. I have real science to study today.


Scientific debate is not done by denying someone's valid argument simply because it makes you mad or you don't understand. If you are going to quote my stuff, don't rewrite it, wrong. Oh and while you are studying that science, you had better beef up on your significant figures. And now I see what Bill Nye was talking about when he said people are suffering from cognitive dissonance. You are a textbook classic example of that.
Report: The Energy Department’s Climate Office Just Banned the Phrase ‘Climate Change’

A lot of commentary on the dangers that President Trump poses to the American republic have focused on everything that makes him an extraordinary figure in our politics — his fondness for conspiracy theories, unapologetic contempt for the Fourth Estate, singular incompetence, and unprecedented flouting of norms against leveraging public office for personal profit (to name just a few).

But for all his ignominious idiosyncrasies, it’s quite possible that Trump’s most dangerous quality is one that he shares with virtually every elected Republican — a depraved indifference to the reality of climate change.

This week, Trump offered a potent reminder that his most damaging legacy may be his most conventionally Republican, when he signed an executive order reversing a large swath of the Obama administration’s climate agenda.

And, as he did, his deputies in the Department of Energy began implementing the Grand Old Party’s tried-and-true strategy for regulating the emission of inconvenient scientific facts:

A supervisor at the Energy Department’s international climate office told staff this week not to use the phrases “climate change,” “emissions reduction” or “Paris Agreement” in written memos, briefings or other written communication, sources have told POLITICO… At the meeting, senior officials told staff the words would cause a “visceral reaction” with Energy Secretary Rick Perry, his immediate staff, and the cadre of White House advisers at the top of the department.


Link
News from the drought in Eastern Africa getting more desperate every day :-(

Somalia: 3,000 People a Day Fleeing in Cholera-Stricken Somalia As Famine Looms
29 March 2017, Thomson Reuters Foundation (London)

East Africa: Number of Kenyans Going Hungry Doubles to 3m - Red Cross
28 March 2017, The Monitor (Kampala)
Impact of global warming on Siachen glacier

Siachen glacier is deemed to be the world’s highest and the strenuous battlefield. Located in the eastern lap of Himalayan mountains in Karakoram range, it is the second largest glacier in the non-polar areas of the world, which is being increasingly affected by global warming. An increase in the temperature due to continuous global warming is gradually having an adverse impact on it, which is exacerbating the precarious situation soldiers face from unfavourable weather conditions. An increase in the global warming is melting the snow at an accelerating rate, resulting in dangerous avalanches. .......................... The impact of the global warming on Siachen glacier is further confirmed by the fact that rain had been a rare phenomenon in the past few decades but at present light drizzling is frequently witnessed. This has resulted in the plantation and greenery on even at 15,000 feet height whereas previously it was not even possible at 12,000 feet height.

Link
Quoting 325. SpudKing09:

There is actually a lot of new research that shows the solar changes have a stronger forcing effect, i.e., many times more than CO2...it should really interest any open minded scientist like yourself...or are you just a political scientist?



No, there isn't new research supporting the failed Sun hypothesis...let alone "a lot" of new research. That's why you've provided no links. ;^)
Quoting 326. WU_9113452:



Let's see...I can side with thousands of reputably published, peer-reviewed scientific research papers...or I can side with sciency-sounding gibberish posted on a blog by an anonymous source. Hmm...I'm going with the actual science. No offense. Gibberish has a terrible track record.
Quoting 357. WU_9113452:


The coefficient of heating for carbon dioxide is the calculated value for the contribution to the daily average temperature, above the Earth's average black-body temperature (-18 deg. C) that carbon dioxide contributes. Take the coefficient of heating x ppmv CO2 and this will be the contribution that carbon dioxide provides in the difference between average black-body temperature and the average daily temperature of a stable isolated continental air mass. On earth, the average 11,000 ppmv H2O provides the difference that CO2 lacks. This coefficient actually works for Venus as well. Venus is a little less complicated, due to the fact that water vapor is low and not condensing in the atmosphere; as well, there is some amount of SO2 that is a greenhouse gas. On Venus the ppmv for carbon dioxide is 965000 ppmv; its black-body temperature is 226.6 Kelvin. I will let all the math and science literates on this blog do the elementary arithmetic to get the answer and check it on Venus fact sheet.



CO2 doesn't, in fact, heat anything. It prevents long wave IR from leaving the atmosphere. IOW, it doesn't heat; it prevents cooling as rapidly. Those are different things. ;^)
Quoting 380. Misanthroptimist:


Let's see...I can side with thousands of reputably published, peer-reviewed scientific research papers...or I can side with sciency-sounding gibberish posted on a blog by an anonymous source. Hmm...I'm going with the actual science. No offense. Gibberish has a terrible track record.

If you don't know real science from sciencey-sounding gibberish, perhaps you don't even understand the thousands of articles you mention, but don't even name one. If the science I have laid down only sounds like science to you, then you might need some science literacy lessons. I'm writing a book on that after I am publish my work here. The AJP would not pursue my work because it was too specialized. How about that. Not because it was gibberish or just sounding like science.
I AM AN ENVIRONMENTALIST AND I RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE WITH DR. MASTERS' HYSTERICAL BLOG (Written by Dan Collura).

Years ago, when completing graduate work, I attended a lecture by a renown physicist. He claimed that there was life on other planets and he could prove it. He began his lecture with a series of complex mathematical formula's that were meant to intimidate those who did not know better. As it turns out, he claimed that he was in regular contact with Venusians. That pretty much ended his lecture.

I was attending this lecture not being part of scientific study but as lesson study for my philosophy class. The point being that even the most intelligent people can seem credible, open minded, intelligent, prove their point in a seemingly logical or scientific way and they can still be loony as a Bugs Bunny cartoon. I am not saying that Dr. Master's is loony toons but he's certainly blowing a hysterical tune.

That lead us to the following: The IPCC has submitted a report on "Climate Change" to the United Nations and they have since revised that data several times. Dr. Masters' has eloquently provided his scientific argument supporting Man Made Global Warming (MMGW). For argument sake, let us accept the data provided by these esteemed scientists. What you have to ask is "What is their solution?" In fact, very few if any of you are asking that simple basic question. If you do believe in MMGW, chances are you don't know what the solution is or have thought out the consequences to that solution.

The facts are simple. The IPCC solution to MMGW is unattainable. By their own admission, their own solution will not work. I will explain. In basic terms, the IPCC wants to immediately shut down the world wide use of all fossil fuels. They believe if all fossil fuels come to an end tomorrow, it would take about 85 years to lower Earth's temperature about 1/2 of 1 degree (Their goal is 2 degrees). They also think that it will take about 200 or more years for the current CO2 level to dissipate below 200 ppm (Current CO2 level is about 410 ppm. FYI. Current CO2 levels are no where near critical).

In other words, if mankind immediately stopped using all fossil fuels, there would be negligible effect on Earth's temperature or CO2 levels.

IPCC scientists and Dr. Masters' cannot definitively tell you that man is causing global warming. They admit their own solution will not work. But, I'm playing devils advocate and am going along with MMGW hysterics. Let us consider cause and effect of their solution. Here are some of the negatives:

-- It is physically impossible to replace fossil fuel energy with alternative / renewable energy. I will provide an example. It would take an area the size of Los Angeles County (4033 square miles) filled with wind generators and solar panels to provide enough energy to power a medium sized city like San Jose, CA. That energy cannot be transported long distances and it cannot be easily stored. That energy is subject to nature and is not dependable. Wind generators / Solar panels are polluting, require high cost maintenance, kill animals, raise air temperatures, and are obtrusive. In simple terms, there's not enough room in this country to build these things. They aren't dependable and they cause a lot of problems.

-- According to Obama's EIA, the U.S. produces about 67% of our total energy from fossil fuels. About 33% are from coal. I say again, it will be physically impossible to replace the loss of coal energy much least all fossil fuels with renewable / alternative energy sources. There will be a dramatic loss of energy production in the U.S.A. As a result, there will be almost no manufacturing, a loss of jobs, loss of revenue's, and a significant reduction of essential goods (Essential Goods being food, medicine, clothing, etc.).

-- Because there will be a net loss of energy output, there will be a net loss of essential goods required to maintain our standard of living. There won't be enough energy to transport, process, and clean our drinkable water.

-- At the same time that Dr. Masters's wants America to power down, he and others are encouraging non-stop unfettered massive illegal immigration and untold thousands of refugee's to come here. We don't have enough energy production and resources for our current population much least a rapidly expanding population.

-- Dr. Masters' and others support globalization. Isn't globalization in direct opposition to MMGW? Globalization requires the transportation of people and goods all over the world. Those modes of transportation (planes, trains, ships, trucks, etc.) all use fossil fuels. What are MMGW hysterics going to do, stop all transportation of people and goods?

-- It will be IMPOSSIBLE to get 100% world wide participation to stop using fossil fuels. As we speak, China, Russia, India, Militant Islam, and others are INCREASING their dependence on fossil fuels.

-- Barak Obama made executive orders shutting down coal energy production. At the same time he made deals with China and other countries to purchase our coal.

In conclusion:

According to the IPCC and Dr. Masters, it will take 100% world wide participation to stop MMGW. As we can clearly see, that will be near impossible to accomplish. Even if there is 100% stoppage of fossil fuels, by their own admission, there will be little to no effect. If we stop using fossil fuels there will be a shortage of energy which will create a shortage of essential goods in a world with rapid population growth. These are the things that cause famine, disease and war.

Are we suppose to believe that the 1,000 + scientists that make up the IPCC and Dr. Masters' are intelligent people? If we take them at their word then what about the consequences? Have they even thought about these things? Do they care?

I remind you that it was Dr. Masters', Al Gore and others who predicted Manhattan would be under water by now. These are the same hysterics who have fabricated data produced in the IPCC Climate Change report resulting in five updates to correct their lies. These are the same people who have lied about shrinking glaciers in the Himalaya's and the Antarctic. They falsified the melting of ice tunnels on Mt Hood when it was 78 degree spring water causing the melting. They won't tell you that this last Antarctic winter we had near record setting low temperature of about -128 degree's below zero F. They are ignoring solar activity (Maunder Minimum), the PDO (Pacific Decadal Oscillation), ocean fissures, volcanic activity, etc., and focusing only on man causing global warming. These are the same people who say global warming science is "closed." These are the same fascists who want to put "deniers" into prison.

I agree there is global warming and I believe man should stop as much pollution and waste as possible but, that's not the point. The point is that MMGW hysterics do not consider cause and effect of their extreme ideas which will create more problems. I leave you with these two quotes:

-- "The real purpose behind Climate Change is to eliminate world wide capitalism" (U.N. Climate Change Czar, Christiana Figueres).

-- "The number one priority facing humanity isn't global warming but population control" (U.N. Sec. Gen. Ban ki-Moon).
Quoting 381. Misanthroptimist:


CO2 doesn't, in fact, heat anything. It prevents long wave IR from leaving the atmosphere. IOW, it doesn't heat; it prevents cooling as rapidly. Those are different things. ;^)


Let's see, you seem to have forgotten the 2nd law of thermodynamics. When CO2 and water vapor absorb IR radiation, they can transfer heat to cooler molecules of N2, O2, H2O and CO2 that are not excited. This transfer of heat via radiation, then convection and re-emission by the greenhouse gases will result in heating and cooling. An excited greenhouse gas molecule can also spontaneously decay and radiate an IR photon. When the surface of the earth has cooled before the dawn, the convection will cause contact of atmospheric molecules with the cooler surface of the earth. The molecules will transfer their heat to the cooler surface and the molecules of greenhouse gas will spontaneously emit photons until the sun comes up again. In the polar winter, the ocean loses lots of heat this way, especially with the ice shortage NSIDC is showing. Have you seen NSIDC today. It show we actually froze some ice in the Arctic, when it is normally never freezing on this date. I want to hear more thought.
Quoting 382. WU_9113452:


If you don't know real science from sciencey-sounding gibberish, perhaps you don't even understand the thousands of articles you mention, but don't even name one. If the science I have laid down only sounds like science to you, then you might need some science literacy lessons. I'm writing a book on that after I am publish my work here. The AJP would not pursue my work because it was too specialized. How about that. Not because it was gibberish or just sounding like science.

No, it's gibberish. It wasn't published because it's gibberish.

You can't be questioning the existence of thousand of papers supporting the "A" in "AGW"! Can you? That'd be pretty funny.
Quoting 384. WU_9113452:



Let's see, you seem to have forgotten the 2nd law of thermodynamics. When CO2 and water vapor absorb IR radiation, they can transfer heat to cooler molecules of N2, O2, H2O and CO2 that are not excited. This transfer of heat via radiation, then convection and re-emission by the greenhouse gases will result in heating and cooling. An excited greenhouse gas molecule can also spontaneously decay and radiate an IR photon. When the surface of the earth has cooled before the dawn, the convection will cause contact of atmospheric molecules with the cooler surface of the earth. The molecules will transfer their heat to the cooler surface and the molecules of greenhouse gas will spontaneously emit photons until the sun comes up again. In the polar winter, the ocean loses lots of heat this way, especially with the ice shortage NSIDC is showing. Have you seen NSIDC today. It show we actually froze some ice in the Arctic, when it is normally never freezing on this date. I want to hear more thought.

And that makes CO2 heat things...how, exactly? IOW, how did that GHG molecule get excited in the first place?

Try again.
Quoting:

Patrap comment # 327 “11:11 The structure of the cosmo”

Comment:

Have had interest in the close packing of spheres for a good while...I actually live in a modified icosahedron... Love Platonic Solids... Some may have interest in this video link which greatly extends Buckminister Fuller ideas from the 40's and 50's... Thanks for the information …

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J19eV7Z1x3M#actio n=share
Quoting 385. Misanthroptimist:


No, it's gibberish. It wasn't published because it's gibberish.

You can't be questioning the existence of thousand of papers supporting the "A" in "AGW"! Can you? That'd be pretty funny.




JFV getting his last licks in?
Quoting 385. Misanthroptimist:


No, it's gibberish. It wasn't published because it's gibberish.

You can't be questioning the existence of thousand of papers supporting the "A" in "AGW"! Can you? That'd be pretty funny.


Only gibberish to someone who is a science illiterate. Here is the correspondence.

Date: Saturday, March 4, 2017 at 6:25 PM
To: American Journal of Physics
Subject: Re: AJP: Decision on MS xxxxx

Hi Dr. Jackson,

Please for clarity sake, is there an issue with the model I have presented or is there something I could correct as far as grammar or spelling, that would garner the model worthiness of publication?

Thanks for your time.

His reply: Re: Decision on MS xxxxx
American Journal of Physics to you

Please read our editorial policy at the website given below. Such a a manuscript is well outside the purview of AJP and should be submitted to a more specialized journal.

Sincerely,
David Jackson
Quoting 383. WU_2530542:



I wish I had sufficient time to list all the lies, misdirection, misunderstanding, and just plain nonsense in that screed. Unfortunately, I don't.
Quoting 386. Misanthroptimist:


And that makes CO2 heat things...how, exactly? IOW, how did that GHG molecule get excited in the first place?

Try again.


I'm sure if you read it again, you will see that it absorbs IR radiation, becomes hot, and transfers its heat to other molecules. It's in there, you just are not reading, or you have selective reading.
Quoting 389. WU_9113452:



Only gibberish to someone who is a science illiterate. Here is the correspondence.

Here's a letter I got:

Dear Misanthroptimist,

I can't tell you how much I wish you weren't married. My every waking thought is about running away to a tropical island with you and repeatedly jumping your bones.

Sincerely,
Scarlett Johannson

I loves the intertubes!

(NOTE: I received no such letter in real life.)

Quoting 391. WU_9113452:



I'm sure if you read it again, you will see that it absorbs IR radiation, becomes hot, and transfers its heat to other molecules. It's in there, you just are not reading, or you have selective reading.

Whoosh! Went right past you.
Quoting 393. Misanthroptimist:


Whoosh! Went right past you.

I am beginning to wonder if you even know the difference between temperature and heat, if you know the very definition of heat, and if you understand the law of conservation of energy, because its whooshing past you like that. And in your novel approach to a Harlequin book, you made that up on the intertubes, but I did not. I really submitted my study to the American Journal of Physics and I really had that email correspondence. You believe in climate change, but don't believe me?
Quoting 394. WU_9113452:


I am beginning to wonder if you even know the difference between temperature and heat, if you know the very definition of heat, and if you understand the law of conservation of energy, because its whooshing past you like that. And in your novel approach to a Harlequin book, you made that up on the intertubes, but I did not. I really submitted my study to the American Journal of Physics and I really had that email correspondence. You believe in climate change, but don't believe me?

I don't believe in climate change. Climate change is a fact supported by evidence from various disciplines and sub-disciplines. My beliefs play no part.
Quoting 396. Misanthroptimist:


I don't believe in climate change. Climate change is a fact supported by evidence from various disciplines and sub-disciplines. My beliefs play no part.


You passed that part, you must have read my response to the youtube video, "Why people don't beleive in climate change." Maybe we have conversed before on youtube.
Quoting 241. barbamz:

Looks like there is more in Pandora's box to be released soon :-(
Trump to Toss Obama's Orders to Prepare for Extreme Weather
Bloomberg, by Christopher Flavelle, 28. März 2017, 01:00 MESZ 28. März 2017, 23:17 MESZ
Trump will sign an executive order Tuesday that will in part reverse two main planks of federal efforts under President Barack Obama to adapt to climate change, a senior White House official told reporters. Trump will rescind Obama’s order to federal agencies to plan for climate change and another to have the military prepare for the national security implications. ...

Over and out ...

Hmmm, I am beginning to like this.
I am hugely in favour of a month long strike of all meteorologists.
They will be given God's rights after that!
Quoting 397. WU_9113452:



You passed that part, you must have read my response to the youtube video, "Why people don't beleive in climate change." Maybe we have conversed before on youtube.

I've made precisely one comment on YT. It concerned a piece of music (don't remember which one.) So I guess I reached the obvious conclusion that my beliefs or feelings don't affect facts through some source other than you. Startling, isn't it?
Quoting 284. scottsvb:



You have no idea what you're talking about....

A trumpie is an instance of Dunning-Kruger. See illustration above.
Quoting 307. Xyrus2000:



I wonder if this is what the last years of Rome felt like.

At least we wouldn't have felt it to be the end of the world. Just the end of Rome.
Quoting 399. Misanthroptimist:


I've made precisely one comment on YT. It concerned a piece of music (don't remember which one.) So I guess I reached the obvious conclusion that my beliefs or feelings don't affect facts through some source other than you. Startling, isn't it?

But in science, just as it is not held by beliefs or faith, for the most part, also it does not discriminate on validity of a theory or hypothesis. Everything I have presented is totally supported by the laws of thermodynamics and quantum mechanics. So why do you call it gibberish without giving credence to exactly where it is gibberish?
Quoting 394. WU_9113452:


I am beginning to wonder if you even know the difference between temperature and heat, if you know the very definition of heat, and if you understand the law of conservation of energy, because its whooshing past you like that. And in your novel approach to a Harlequin book, you made that up on the intertubes, but I did not. I really submitted my study to the American Journal of Physics and I really had that email correspondence. You believe in climate change, but don't believe me?

The whoosh is making circles here.
I AM AN ENVIRONMENTALIST AND I RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE WITH DR. MASTERS' HYSTERICAL BLOG (Written by Dan Collura).

Years ago, when completing graduate work, I attended a lecture by a renown physicist. He claimed that there was life on other planets and he could prove it. He began his lecture with a series of complex mathematical formula's that were meant to intimidate those who did not know better. As it turns out, he claimed that he was in regular contact with Venusians. That pretty much ended his lecture.

I was attending this lecture not being part of scientific study but as lesson study for my philosophy class. The point being that even the most intelligent people can seem credible, open minded, intelligent, prove their point in a seemingly logical or scientific way and they can still be loony as a Bugs Bunny cartoon. I am not saying that Dr. Master is loony toons but he's certainly blowing a hysterical tune.

That lead us to the following: The IPCC has submitted a report on "Climate Change" to the United Nations and they have since revised that data several times. Dr. Masters has eloquently provided his scientific argument supporting Man Made Global Warming (MMGW). For argument sake, let us accept the data provided by these esteemed scientists. What you have to ask is "What is their solution?" In fact, very few if any of you are asking that simple basic question. If you do believe in MMGW, chances are you don't know what the solution is or have thought out the consequences to that solution.

The facts are simple. The IPCC solution to MMGW is unattainable. By their own admission, their own solution will not work. I will explain. In basic terms, the IPCC wants to immediately shut down the world wide use of all fossil fuels. They believe if all fossil fuels come to an end tomorrow, it would take about 85 years to lower Earth's temperature about 1/2 of 1 degree (Their goal is 2 degrees). They also think that it will take about 200 or more years for the current CO2 level to dissipate below 200 ppm (Current CO2 level is about 410 ppm. FYI. Current CO2 levels are no where near critical).

In other words, if mankind immediately stopped using all fossil fuels, there would be negligible effect on Earth's temperature or CO2 levels.

IPCC scientists and Dr. Masters cannot definitively tell you that man is causing global warming. They admit their own solution will not work. But, I'm playing devils advocate and am going along with MMGW hysterics. Let us consider cause and effect of their solution. Here are some of the negatives:

-- It is physically impossible to replace fossil fuel energy with alternative / renewable energy. I will provide an example. It would take an area the size of Los Angeles County (4033 square miles) filled with wind generators and solar panels to provide enough energy to power a medium sized city like San Jose, CA. That energy cannot be transported long distances and it cannot be easily stored. That energy is subject to nature and is not dependable. Wind generators / Solar panels are polluting, require high cost maintenance, kill animals, raise air temperatures, and are obtrusive. In simple terms, there's not enough room in this country to build these things. They aren't dependable and they cause a lot of problems.

-- According to Obama's EIA, the U.S. produces about 67% of our total energy from fossil fuels. About 33% are from coal. I say again, it will be physically impossible to replace the loss of coal energy much least all fossil fuels with renewable / alternative energy sources. There will be a dramatic loss of energy production in the U.S.A. As a result, there will be almost no manufacturing, a loss of jobs, loss of revenue's, and a significant reduction of essential goods (Essential Goods being food, medicine, clothing, etc.).

-- Because there will be a net loss of energy output, there will be a net loss of essential goods required to maintain our standard of living. In short order, our standard of living will sink into Third World status. There won't be enough energy to transport, process, and clean our drinkable water.

-- At the same time that Dr. Masters wants America to power down, he and others are encouraging non-stop massive illegal immigration and untold thousands of refugee's to come here. We don't have enough energy production and resources for our current population much least a rapidly expanding population.

-- Dr. Masters and others support globalization. Globalization is in direct opposition to MMGW. Globalization requires the transportation of people and goods all over the world. Those modes of transportation (planes, trains, ships, trucks, etc.) all use fossil fuels. Are MMGW hysterics going to stop all modes of transportation?

-- It will be IMPOSSIBLE to get 100% world wide participation to stop using fossil fuels. As we speak, China, Russia, India, Militant Islam, and others are INCREASING their dependence on fossil fuels.

-- Barak Obama made executive orders shutting down coal energy production. At the same time he made deals with China and other countries to purchase our coal.

-- Take a look at the Periodic Table of Elements. That's all we have. No more and no less. There are no magical fuel sources.

-- Alchemists believe that they can turn lead into gold. Liberals think that we can turn nothing into something. They actually think that Big Business is suppressing some sort of magical fuel source that does not pollute, exploit people and hurt our environment. It's called the "Happy Tolerant Inclusive Fuel."

In conclusion:

According to the IPCC and Dr. Masters, it will take 100% world wide participation to stop MMGW. As we can clearly see, that will be near impossible to accomplish. Even if there is 100% stoppage of fossil fuels, by their own admission, there will be little to no effect. If we stop using fossil fuels there will be a shortage of energy which will create a shortage of essential goods in a world with an exploding population growth.

These are the things that cause famine, disease and war.

I remind you that it was Dr. Masters, Al Gore and others who predicted Manhattan would be under water by now. These are the same hysterics who have fabricated data produced in the IPCC Climate Change report resulting in five updates to correct their lies. These are the same people who have lied about shrinking glaciers in the Himalaya's and the Antarctic. They falsified the melting of ice caves on Mt Hood when it was 78 degree spring water causing the melting. They won't tell you that this last Antarctic winter we had near record setting low temperature of about -128 degree's below zero F. They are ignoring solar activity (Maunder Minimum), the PDO (Pacific Decadal Oscillation), ocean fissures, volcanic activity, etc., and focusing only on man causing global warming. These are the same people who say global warming science is "closed." These are the same fascists who want to put "deniers" into prison (FYI. A group of IPCC scientists sent Barak Obama a letter asking him to us RICO provisions to put man made global warming deniers into prison).

There is global warming but it is not definitively proven that man is causing it. Man should do everything possible to stop waste and pollution but these things aren't the point. The point is that liberals never consider cause and effect of their extreme ideas which always result in failure. I leave you with these two quotes:

-- "The real purpose behind Climate Change is to eliminate world wide capitalism" (U.N. Climate Change Czar, Christiana Figueres).

-- "The number one priority facing humanity isn't global warming but population control" (U.N. Sec. Gen. Ban ki-Moon).
Yes, FO (I'm being civil and low key, here).
Quoting 377. barbamz:

News from the drought in Eastern Africa getting more desperate every day :-(

Somalia: 3,000 People a Day Fleeing in Cholera-Stricken Somalia As Famine Looms
29 March 2017, Thomson Reuters Foundation (London)

East Africa: Number of Kenyans Going Hungry Doubles to 3m - Red Cross
28 March 2017, The Monitor (Kampala)

Looks like the real thing is starting.
Four bands of instant desertification at the sides of the subtropical dynamic high pressure zones.

Gonna need some walls mates :)
Quoting 404. WU_2530542:

I AM AN ENVIRONMENTALIST AND I RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE WITH DR. MASTERS' HYSTERICAL BLOG (Written by Dan Collura).

And FO again.
Quoting 403. cRRKampen:


The whoosh is making circles here.

Na, I think it is your brain just has a cRRkamp
Quoting 402. WU_9113452:


But in science, just as it is not held by beliefs or faith, for the most part, also it does not discriminate on validity of a theory or hypothesis. Everything I have presented is totally supported by the laws of thermodynamics and quantum mechanics. So why do you call it gibberish without giving credence to exactly where it is gibberish?

Because it's gibberish. It is your obligation to demonstrate that it is not gibberish; that it is science. You aren't going to accomplish that task with made up terms, misapplied ideas, and bum logic. (Like asking me to *dis*prove your hypothesis.)
Quoting 408. Misanthroptimist:


Because it's gibberish. It is your obligation to demonstrate that it is not gibberish; that it is science. You aren't going to accomplish that task with made up terms, misapplied ideas, and bum logic. (Like asking me to *dis*prove your hypothesis.)

So what did they tell Hertz, when he was the first to coin the idea for frequency? That he somehow had to splain it to them so they could understand? How about Torricelli? Should I call it the coefficient of Rudd? I suppose that would be better. It is a concept and it works, and I laid it all out. For you to deny that by calling it gibberish and then saying I have not done my job is utterly ridiculous. and it works for Venus, and if you have not tried it out, then perhaps it is beyond your grasp; that is not my job to make you understand it. You have to garner that yourself. I can only explain it and demonstrate it. Not everyone understood relativity, and it was even denied publication. This is much more simple than General Relativity.
Interestingly those who politicized climate/weather are whining climate/weather got so politicized.
Projection. The faculty of those who have zero content or soul.
There is not enough puppies in the world!
Quoting 404. WU_2530542:


To Hades with it. I'm going to make time to take on at least one issue in that steaming pile to task.

For starters, the IPCC doesn't have "a solution". This is from AR5 Summary for Policy Makers (SPM):
"There are multiple scenarios with a range of technological and behavioral options, with different characteristics and implications for sustainable development, that are consistent with different levels of mitigation. For this assessment, about 900 mitigation scenarios have been collected in a database based on published integrated models. 14

This range spans atmospheric concentration levels in 2100 from 430 ppm CO2eq to above 720 ppm CO2eq, which is comparable to the 2100 forcing levels between RCP 2.6 and RCP 6.0. Scenarios outside this range were also assessed including some scenarios with concentrations in 2100 below 430 ppm CO2eq (for a discussion of these scenarios see below). The mitigation scenarios involve a wide range of technological, socioeconomic, and institutional trajectories, but uncertainties and model limitations exist and developments outside this range are possible (Figure SPM.4, upper panel). "


Collura's take on what is possible is of no interest since his "evidence" consists of nothing but assertion.

Collura's use of out of context quotes is telling, too, since that is a favorite tactic among the anti-science crowd generally, anti-Evolutionists for example live by that tactic.

Collura's rhetorical linking of Dr. Masters to someone Collura alleges to have claimed that they talked to Venusians is rather odious. So much so that he himself immediately claims that he's not doing what he just did.

The IPCC's "goal" is not to cool the Earth. The "goal" is to find ways to prevent the Earth from warming 2C above the pre-industrial.

I can find nowhere that there is a goal to "dissipate below 200 ppm" atmospheric CO2. (Iirc, that's ice age level CO2 concentration.)

Collura either doesn't know what he's talking about or deliberately lying. Please stop spamming us with his blog droppings. We only need so much fertilizer.

Edited to add link to AR5 SPM.
Quoting 409. WU_9113452:


So what did they tell Hertz, when he was the first to coin the idea for frequency? That he somehow had to splain it to them so they could understand?

They told him to get published.

If he stood on a street corner trying to overturn physics...he'd have been met with the same results you are getting.

Her ya go...
Don't bite the heads off!
Quoting 408. Misanthroptimist:


Because it's gibberish. It is your obligation to demonstrate that it is not gibberish; that it is science. You aren't going to accomplish that task with made up terms, misapplied ideas, and bum logic. (Like asking me to *dis*prove your hypothesis.)

Consider 1 on #409 yours too.
Oh well. To Hades, indeed.
Good Morning Folks: here are the storm counts from yesterday and the SPC Outlook for today; this feels like the peak of the severe weather season in May.............................


yesterday Reports Graphic

And as usual (my signature post in the am), the current look, forecast, and jet position:


Quoting 325. SpudKing09:

There is actually a lot of new research that shows the solar changes have a stronger forcing effect, i.e., many times more than CO2...it should really interest any open minded scientist like yourself...or are you just a political scientist?




Actually, a quick periodical search of recent research on the topic of forcings show that you're completely full of crap.

Just because you don't know how to use a search engine doesn't mean that no else does.
Quoting 413. Misanthroptimist:


To Hades with it. I'm going to make time to take on at least one issue in that steaming pile to task.

For starters, the IPCC doesn't have "a solution". This is from AR5 Summary for Policy Makers (SPM):
"There are multiple scenarios with a range of technological and behavioral options, with different characteristics and implications for sustainable development, that are consistent with different levels of mitigation. For this assessment, about 900 mitigation scenarios have been collected in a database based on published integrated models. 14

This range spans atmospheric concentration levels in 2100 from 430 ppm CO2eq to above 720 ppm CO2eq, which is comparable to the 2100 forcing levels between RCP 2.6 and RCP 6.0. Scenarios outside this range were also assessed including some scenarios with concentrations in 2100 below 430 ppm CO2eq (for a discussion of these scenarios see below). The mitigation scenarios involve a wide range of technological, socioeconomic, and institutional trajectories, but uncertainties and model limitations exist and developments outside this range are possible (Figure SPM.4, upper panel). "


Collura's take on what is possible is of no interest since his "evidence" consists of nothing but assertion.

Collura's use of out of context quotes is telling, too, since that is a favorite tactic among the anti-science crowd generally, anti-Evolutionists for example live by that tactic.

Collura's rhetorical linking of Dr. Masters to someone Collura alleges to have claimed that they talked to Venusians is rather odious. So much so that he himself immediately claims that he's not doing what he just did.

The IPCC's "goal" is not to cool the Earth. The "goal" is to find ways to prevent the Earth from warming 2C above the pre-industrial.

I can find nowhere that there is a goal to "dissipate below 200 ppm" atmospheric CO2. (Iirc, that's ice age level CO2 concentration.)

Collura either doesn't know what he's talking about or deliberately lying. Please stop spamming us with his blog droppings. We only need so much fertilizer.

Edited to add link to AR5 SPM.


Sounds like another denier cow escaped the pasture of idiots and dropped a steaming pile here. Shame I missed it. :P
And the US drought monitor for today; outside of the severe weather aspect of these crossing lows, that section of the US could actually use the rain:

Current U.S. Drought Monitor


And finally the current global tropics; nothing brewing yet in the South Pacific or Indian Ocean the wake of Debbie:

Combined image of all basins
Trumps right...If people want to take serious action against the climate, they shouldn't have government tell them how to handle it..we are each individually capable of taking our own steps without the overreaching of government. I'd say get rid of EVERY regulation to do with climate change. If we want to save this planet, then it's up to us, not government. Government and its regulations won't be enough to save us
Quoting 418. weathermanwannabe:

Good Morning Folks: here are the storm counts from yesterday and the SPC Outlook for today; this feels like the peak of the severe weather season in May.............................


yesterday Reports Graphic




Ahh frick, are there chances of tornadoes in the North Georgia region?
There is scientific proof that the "Ice Ages" did exist. Although it took a long time, we are now living in a "warmer" climate, would that not be "climate change?"

It's not nice to fool Mother Nature!
Quoting 425. Famoguy1234:



Ahh frick, are there chances of tornadoes in the North Georgia region?


Have to wait on whether SPC issues warnings or watches later; too early to tell at the moment. The current winds chart below shows that there is not a lot of warm Gulf flow at the moment, the Gulf remains, dry, and here in Tallahassee out ahead of the front, it was clear and cool this morning with the temps around 61. Tells me that there is dry stable air in place out ahead of the front closer to the coast. North Georgia might be different later this PM once daytime heating falls into place: those red arrows below with winds moving up towards North Georgia are actually cool and dry upper level winds.

/data/atmosphere/hdwinds/amv/IRNHE12.GIF

Government regulation is the only thing that stands between us (the little people) and unbridled fossil fuel Co2 emissions from private sector utilities, manufacturing concerns, the fossil fuel giants; If millions of people picketed outside of the gates of these industries, with no government regulation or oversight, the execs would order in lunch, and laugh at the folks (all the way to the bank) through the windows the while eating their deli sandwiches...........................
Quoting 424. JrWeathermanFL:

Trumps right...If people want to take serious action against the climate, they shouldn't have government tell them how to handle it..we are each individually capable of taking our own steps without the overreaching of government. I'd say get rid of EVERY regulation to do with climate change. If we want to save this planet, then it's up to us, not government. Government and its regulations won't be enough to save us


do you have control over how massive multinational corporations deal with the waste, and emissions they produce, in building things for us all? no?

i'm glad you're willing to stick up for the environment as an individual, but when you say get rid of every regulation that deals with climate change, you sound like it's opposite day and that you couldnt care less about the environment.

you do have a point tho (if perhaps unintentional) that it is up to us, to consume much, much, much, much, MUCH less stuff (energy, shoes, food, entertainment, etc....literally anything you DONT need for human survival). unfortunately capitalism prides itself on being this evolving monster of *need*, and does a very good job of convincing us that we can't live without certain aspects.

to me that is one of the biggest problems that's not being talked about (along with overpopulation). people need to be consuming less, but that goes against not just capitalistic theory but also the notion of freedom of choice (to live how you want, and spend your hard earned money as you see fit).

polite people have this notion of 'leave a place cleaner than you found it'. unfortunately we seem to have a hard time applying that to the entire planet.

a picture from my roof in toronto, where if i dont look down, i occasionally forget about the concrete wasteland i am a part of. happy thursday! all eyes to the south, where they downgraded the risk as this system is extremely complex and the interaction between departing and entering lows seems to be a very variable component.



I was watching a PBS documentary last night on the "Hamilton" musical which was inter-spaced with all of the history of Alexander Hamilton and which was a text-book history lesson on American History and the drafting of the Constitution. Hamilton was the architect of our form of government and he was the author of the Federalist Papers (which I last read in college 25 years ago). What struck me is that at the time that the Constitution was drafted, there was no such thing as the industrial revolution or large multi-national corporations. The large corps who control all the wealth now (not farmers and regular city folk) were not envisioned by the Framers.....................And once the Supreme Court gave corporations "person" status in some landmark decisions within the last 100 years, the whole landscape has changed; the only thing standing now between corporate oligarchy and complete control of the people is government regulation and oversight unless you are a Marxist (where nobody owns anything except the Government); and we know how that turned out................However, be careful what you wish for if we set the clock back here in the US and give all the power to the Corporations with no power to the people.
Warmer climate:

More extreme weather events are possible. (flooding, droughts, etc.)


We should be concerned about stronger, more costly, and deadly hurricanes slamming into the coast.

FUTURE Double-hit hurricanes like the ones that hit in 1926 (Miami-Pensacola/Mobile), 1947 (Ft. Lauderdale, FL - New Orleans, LA), Betsy and Andrew 1965/1992 (S. FL and Louisiana), and Katrina 2005 (S. FL and Central Gulf Coast), could bring even greater disaster. As if that was not bad enough.

There are more examples of what could get worse .... Let's not forget Donna 1960. and Sandy 2012, that raked the entire Atlantic Seaboard!

Multi-Billion dollar disastrous hurricanes could become more common. In 1992, when Hurricane Andrew hit S. Florida, there were only 4 named Atlantic storms. It was slow in terms of the number of named storms. A warmer climate in a hostile or El Nino year could possibly fuel a CAT5 hurricane like Andrew into a stronger tempest. It only takes one bad hit from a powerful storm to make it a bad hurricane season.
Trump Administration to relax rules on Seat Belts and Air Bags. Car manufacturers no longer required to include them in new vehicles.

My little bit of fake news for the day.... But just as insane as what they are proposing for the Climate and about everything else. Every day it is something new and disgusting coming out of that administration and everyone I know is suffering from the resulting whiplash!

If Trump et al were interested in the long term especially in economic profits, they would perhaps weigh future costs into the equation. The disasters that they are creating will be really expensive and destabilizing. South Florida will disappear under the rising tide. But they are blinded by an ideology that impatiently puts immediate profits first and socializes the costs.

I suspect before too long Trump will have his Katrina or Gulf Oil Spill moment and he will be clueless as to what to do about it. The Indian Point Nuclear Reactor or some other nuke held together by duct tape and bailing wire having a crisis comes to mind. If this happens, Trump will probably hide on the golf course down in Mar-a-Lago.
It's not nice to fool Mother Nature!

she doesn't get fooled...always reacts appropriately
Quoting 431. Stormwatch247:

Warmer climate:

More extreme weather events are possible. (flooding, droughts, etc.)

We should be concerned about stronger, more costly, and deadly hurricanes slamming into the coast.

FUTURE Double-hit hurricanes like the ones that hit in 1926 (Miami-Pensacola/Mobile), 1947 (Ft. Lauderdale, FL - New Orleans, LA), Betsy and Andrew 1965/1992 (S. FL and Louisiana), and Katrina 2005 (S. FL and Central Gulf Coast), could bring even greater disaster. As if that was not bad enough.

There are more examples of what could get worse .... Let's not forget Donna 1960. and Sandy 2012, that raked the entire Atlantic Seaboard!

Multi-Billion dollar disastrous hurricanes could become more common. Even in years like 1992, when Hurricane Andrew hit S. Florida, there were only 4 named Atlantic storms. It was slow in terms of the number of named storms. A warmer climate could fuel a CAT5 hurricane like Andrew into a stronger tempest! It only takes one bad hit from a powerful storm to make it a bad hurricane season.



People often try to emphasize the impact of climate change on extreme weather, I think this distracts us from the real danger of climate change. Sure, more tornadoes, more hurricanes, more floods are all bad, but these are localized issues. Climate change has global implications, specifically the destruction of habitats. This is the potential "wrecking of earth as a livable planet", we can't survive if the ecosystems around us collapse.
It's snowing outside!

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Quoting 424. JrWeathermanFL:

Trumps right...If people want to take serious action against the climate, they shouldn't have government tell them how to handle it..we are each individually capable of taking our own steps without the overreaching of government. I'd say get rid of EVERY regulation to do with climate change. If we want to save this planet, then it's up to us, not government. Government and its regulations won't be enough to save us

You may want to consider armed uprising, no less. I shudder. There have to be milder ways, but when they actually come for your solar panels..
Related article on air pollution posted today in Science Mag; the gist of the article is that one of the reasons that air pollution has declined to some degree in the US and Western Europe is because global manufacturing has shifted to China...................Reading between lines, it is no wonder that China is trying to outpace the world in clean tech at this time. They need to clean up their own air after sucking the life blood out of it with pollution over the last 30 years............

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/03/inte rnational-trade-shifts-burden-pollution-related-de aths


Environmentalists have long known that pollution wafting through the air can affect people far from the source of emissions. Now, a new study finds that international trade has likely shifted more than 700,000 pollution-related deaths from regions that import goods and services, like the United States and Western Europe, to those that produce them, like China. The study adds fuel to the debate over who bears responsibility for the health impacts of air pollution. 

An international team led by atmospheric chemist Qiang Zhang of Tsinghua University in Beijing looked at emissions data across 13 global regions for 2007, the last year comprehensive information was available. They concentrated on something called PM2.5, particulate matter with a diameter less than 2.5 micrometers. These fine particles, which are blamed for some 90% of premature deaths from air pollution, can lodge deep in the lungs, causing respiratory and cardiovascular diseases.

Quoting 437. Snacker2:


Which fact in it qualifies as political hatred?

Yes.

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BREAKING NEWS:

Trump ordering the shutdown of Wunderground. According to press reports, any language that perpetrates climate change as top priority and sending inaccurate and false information to the general public violates the trust of the public and the constitution. All websites, and organizations that promote this type of information will be forced into an obligated shutdown by order of the US government and current administration. Climate change is not being denied, but the way it is being misrepresented and causing turmoil and panic that if we do not do anything the world will end as we know it is totally out of line according to the Trump administration.


Now.....how do you like that fake news
House approves EPA science committee overhaul
The Hill, by Devin Henry - 03/30/17 10:42 AM EDT
The House on Thursday approved a bill to overhaul the Environmental Protection Agency's (EPA) scientific advisory committee.
The legislation from Rep. Frank Lucas (R-Okla.) would change membership requirements for the EPA's Science Advisory Board to include more industry voices, expanding financial and conflict of interest disclosure requirements and giving the public the chance to more readily comment on the board's actions. ...


Justice Dept. Moves Swiftly to Back Trump Climate Order
Climate Central, March 29
The federal government is moving swiftly to implement President Trump's executive order on climate change, taking steps that include lifting a moratorium on new coal mines and asking courts to suspend long-running legal disputes over power plant climate rules. ...
Quoting 428. weathermanwannabe:

Government regulation is the only thing that stands between us (the little people) and unbridled fossil fuel Co2 emissions from private sector utilities, manufacturing concerns, the fossil fuel giants; If millions of people picketed outside of the gates of these industries, with no government regulation or oversight, the execs would order in lunch, and laugh at the folks (all the way to the bank) through the windows the while eating their deli sandwiches...........................


Already happening my friend. We get fed stagecraft while the people's power to affect anything in government has been stripped down to nothing. No average person can run for office, you have to be selected, and billionaires and big business decide that. You have to play by their rules. Or else. Here's a little game of pull back the curtain for ya. Akanazi Jews, find out who they are. Then see that Trump is surrounded himself with dozens of them in his administration. Now research who owns CNN. Then ask yourself, are they really at odds? People need to awaken and awaken fast. All stagecraft of the most insidious kind.
Thanks Pat; nice batch of cells up on the Gulf Coast and the current t-storm warning is up to the NE of Orleans; this chart will update as storm reports start to come in later. A little bit of warm Gulf flow is starting to move into the mid-levels since this morning.  Now we has to see if any surface flow gets going later this afternoon.

/data/atmosphere/hdwinds/amv/IRNHE14.GIF

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Exxon to Trump: Don't ditch Paris climate change deal

ExxonMobil doesn't want President Trump to abandon the global climate agreement reached in Paris.

America's biggest oil company told the White House it believes the Paris agreement is an "effective framework for addressing the risks of climate change" and the U.S. should remain a party to it.
Exxon (XOM) said the country is "well positioned to compete" under the terms of the Paris deal, which was reached in late 2015 with the goal of slowing global warming. President Obama hailed the agreement as "the moment that we finally decided to save our planet."
445. DeepSeaRising
11:17 AM EDT on March 30, 2017


1975's Rollerball has already arrived:

In the film the world of 2018 (referred to in the tagline as "the not too distant future") is a global corporate state, containing entities such as the Energy Corporation, a global energy monopoly based in Houston, which deals with nominally peer corporations controlling access to all transport, luxury, housing, communication, and food on a global basis.
I see Trump as the last dying gasp of older, rich, white men. What these out of touch individuals miss is the point that sure..maybe a few blue collar jobs are lost to EPA regulations BUT many more jobs are created by advancing new Tech.

For example: Nobody but the power company benefits when the power company is allowed to use 1960s (or older) tech for cola fired furnances BUT if they are forced to switch to cleaner energy just think of all the new jobs which are produced by American corporations which design and build the high tech, clean furnances.

In the long term the power company actually makes more money and consumers benefit from lower cost electric because the generation facilities are more efficient, use cheaper fuel and can come on or off line quickly vs old coal fired plants which have to always be set at high because it takes so long to fire them up or adjust downward if demand is not needed..

The younger generations seem to understand these facts and the importance of slowing down global warming...the old retired dudes don't seem to get it...they are stuck in a memory of when cars were as big as boats and the visible signs of America being number one were active smoke stacks spewing impressive looking black smoke.

Don't worry folks...this is just a bump in the road..last gasp as I said and as we wait this out the courts will help slow down the damage from Commrade, Putin, loving Trump. Make noise folks!
Quoting 443. RitaEvac:

BREAKING NEWS:
Trump ordering the shutdown of Wunderground. [snip]
Now.....how do you like that fake news

Let's hope that this kind of news will remain fake news. Nowadays you can't be sure of that, unfortunately.
Just in:
Trump threatens to 'change libel laws' to go after NY Times
The Hill, by Taylor Lorenz - 03/30/17 11:07 AM EDT
Please don't make this a political site. Most posters cant get a 3 day weather forecast accurate yet someone out there has the climate for the next 100 years dialed in. How about we try to get what we have now and improve on it so we can save lives now
And here are the current largest energy/petrol companies in the world (note Russia and China in the running):

  • ExxonMobil. Reuters. Country: USA. Revenue: $341 billion. ...
  • Chevron. Reuters. Country: USA. ...
  • Gazprom. Reuters. Country: Russia. ...
  • PetroChina. Reuters. Country: China. ...
  • Total. Reuters. Country: France. ...
  • Royal Dutch Shell. Reuters. Country: UK. ...
  • ConocoPhillips. Reuters. Country: USA. ...
  • China Petroleum and Chemical (Sinopec) Reuters. Country: China.

You can see why it is so important why it is important to keep the US, China, and Russia in the game in terms of the proposed Paris Treat and Co2 emissions; it is in their mutual best interest to be on the same page at the end of the day and once the fossil fuels run out, they will continue and exploit their monopoly on clean energy............Not a bad thing downstream if each major company can employ people, in their own respective countries for the green revolution as opposed to letting China take the lead on the solar panels, wind turbines, and other clean infrastructure and we just buy it from them...........We need to level the playing field for American workers at the least. 
Quoting 451. MIKEYZ:

Please don't make this a political site. Most posters cant get a 3 day weather forecast accurate yet someone out there has the climate for the next 100 years dialed in. How about we try to get what we have now and improve on it so we can save lives now

Quoting 355. no1der:

From Forbes (!!?)
The First Climate Model Turns 50, And Predicted Global Warming Almost Perfectly

"if you google "climate models wrong", eight of the first ten results showcase failure. But headlines are never as reliable as going to the scientific source itself, and the ultimate source, in this case, is the first accurate climate model ever: by Syukuro Manabe and Richard T. Wetherald. 50 years after their groundbreaking 1967 paper, the science can be robustly evaluated, and they got almost everything exactly right."

I do not believe that you are even on the same planet. No ONE even considers the garbage that comes from the population. The rotting, fetid garbage piles from the disposable diapers and excess garbage generated by this population is killing our planet. Just as well burn clean coal. We are killing our planet with too many people.
From Forbes (!!?)
The First Climate Model Turns 50, And Predicted Global Warming Almost Perfectly

"if you google "climate models wrong", eight of the first ten results showcase failure. But headlines are never as reliable as going to the scientific source itself, and the ultimate source, in this case, is the first accurate climate model ever: by Syukuro Manabe and Richard T. Wetherald. 50 years after their groundbreaking 1967 paper, the science can be robustly evaluated, and they got almost everything exactly right."

In the 1970s we were going into an ice age. In the 1980s we were supposed to stop using aerosol pray because we were creating a hole in the Ozone layer...then Global warming...then the carbon footprint...now climate change. My tracking on Hurricane Matthew and the so called great catastrophic, scary 100 year Blizzard (JOKE) a month ago was right on target as well. Id rather stick to factual information and gut instinct then feelings and emotions. If thats where this site is going Im out.
Quoting 455. MIKEYZ:

From Forbes (!!?)
The First Climate Model Turns 50, And Predicted Global Warming Almost Perfectly

"if you google "climate models wrong", eight of the first ten results showcase failure. But headlines are never as reliable as going to the scientific source itself, and the ultimate source, in this case, is the first accurate climate model ever: by Syukuro Manabe and Richard T. Wetherald. 50 years after their groundbreaking 1967 paper, the science can be robustly evaluated, and they got almost everything exactly right."

In the 1970s we were going into an ice age. In the 1980s we were supposed to stop using aerosol pray because we were creating a hole in the Ozone layer...then Global warming...then the carbon footprint...now climate change. My tracking on Hurricane Matthew and the so called great catastrophic, scary 100 year Blizzard (JOKE) a month ago was right on target as well. Id rather stick to factual information and gut instinct then feelings and emotions. If thats where this site is going Im out.


bye (i think you forgot to separate gut instinct from factual information. it belongs alongside the other things you discredit, feelings and emotions)

ps we did stop using aerosol spray (relative to what we were) and the ozone hole has shrunk. you say it like it was something to be ignored and that we didnt need to do it. i also dont remember seeing any of your 'tracking' of either of those events, and noone on here is going to give you ANY credibility if you just spout claims, with no proof.
no, in the 70's we weren't "going into an ice age". that's been debunked so many times it's not funny anymore. never was, actually.

and yes, we stopped wrecking the ozone layer thanks to rules regarding CFC use. that's a good thing.

i mean my god, people, enough with the derp already.
Quoting 455. MIKEYZ:

From Forbes (!!?)
The First Climate Model Turns 50, And Predicted Global Warming Almost Perfectly

"if you google "climate models wrong", eight of the first ten results showcase failure. But headlines are never as reliable as going to the scientific source itself, and the ultimate source, in this case, is the first accurate climate model ever: by Syukuro Manabe and Richard T. Wetherald. 50 years after their groundbreaking 1967 paper, the science can be robustly evaluated, and they got almost everything exactly right."

In the 1970s we were going into an ice age. In the 1980s we were supposed to stop using aerosol pray because we were creating a hole in the Ozone layer...then Global warming...then the carbon footprint...now climate change. My tracking on Hurricane Matthew and the so called great catastrophic, scary 100 year Blizzard (JOKE) a month ago was right on target as well. Id rather stick to factual information and gut instinct then feelings and emotions. If thats where this site is going Im out.

No..no serious climate researcher ever thought we were going back to an ice age. Get your facts straight...sure..some far out there researcher may have claimed so but it was never taken seriously..and thats a fact friend.

You also appear to miss the difference between climate and weather. The weather has a quantum effect at play but the climate doesn't really. Ice core samples don't lie and the basic science is really pretty simple. Take all the buried carbon which has been stored for billions of years...extract it from gthe earth and burn it. Gee what happens...lets ask a 3rd grader?

I'll give you a hint in case you still don't understand..burn the extracted carbon and it goes back into the air where it once was billions of years ago. Look at earth's climate a billion years ago and its not a hard leap to understand if we create the same atmospheric conditions wth the same level of gasses ..temps will be about the same.

Easy peasy stuff.
459. OKsky
Quoting 455. MIKEYZ:

From Forbes (!!?)
The First Climate Model Turns 50, And Predicted Global Warming Almost Perfectly

"if you google "climate models wrong", eight of the first ten results showcase failure. But headlines are never as reliable as going to the scientific source itself, and the ultimate source, in this case, is the first accurate climate model ever: by Syukuro Manabe and Richard T. Wetherald. 50 years after their groundbreaking 1967 paper, the science can be robustly evaluated, and they got almost everything exactly right."

In the 1970s we were going into an ice age. In the 1980s we were supposed to stop using aerosol pray because we were creating a hole in the Ozone layer...then Global warming...then the carbon footprint...now climate change. My tracking on Hurricane Matthew and the so called great catastrophic, scary 100 year Blizzard (JOKE) a month ago was right on target as well. Id rather stick to factual information and gut instinct then feelings and emotions. If thats where this site is going Im out.


It's not our fault that you fail to comprehend current events... based on this comment, it is something you have a long history of.
Quoting 443. RitaEvac:

BREAKING NEWS:

Trump ordering the shutdown of Wunderground. According to press reports, any language that perpetrates climate change as top priority and sending inaccurate and false information to the general public violates the trust of the public and the constitution. All websites, and organizations that promote this type of information will be forced into an obligated shutdown by order of the US government and current administration. Climate change is not being denied, but the way it is being misrepresented and causing turmoil and panic that if we do not do anything the world will end as we know it is totally out of line according to the Trump administration.


Now.....how do you like that fake news



Oh It's fake??
Quoting 459. OKsky:



It's not our fault that you fail to comprehend current events... based on this comment, it is something you have a long history of.


or basic earth science, or the dozens of different scientific processes associating with the fact...

smh..

people make me laugh, especially the dumb ones, but hey....



I'm sure they stayed at a Holiday Inn. LOL
In my little corner of the world, the rain gauge shows 1.76 inches and still raining. It seems to me that heavy rains like this are more frequent, and the 1/4" (or less) rains which used to be common around here, are now more infrequent. This is just a personal observation.
We had plenty of rain, and very little snow the past several months. There is a pond in my backyard, where it usually only occurs when the ground is frozen. The sky is very dark, too.
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Presslord far right.



464. bwi
Why are climate science deniers so keen to support the foreign policy objectives of the Russian petro-state?

List the foreign policy developments favorable to Russian dictator:

Push Fossil Fuels and Weaken Conservation and Alternatives -- check
Keep World in Track for +4C Temps -- check
Weaken NATO -- check
Antagonize China -- check
Antagonize Germany -- check
Antagonize Mexico and confuse the hell out of Canadians -- check
Weaken Euro-zone -- check (Brexit)
Weaken U.S. health and environment (EPA) -- check

What else?

The only current development not favorable to the Kremlin is the push to ramp up U.S. military spending, but hasn't actually happened yet, it's just a budget proposal. All these other things are actually happening.
President Trump effectively declared war Thursday on the House Freedom Caucus, the powerful group of hard-line conservative Republicans who blocked the health-care bill, vowing to “fight them” in the 2018 midterm elections.

"Ready, fire, Aim!"
Quoting 462. ChiThom:

In my little corner of the world, the rain gauge shows 1.76 inches and still raining. It seems to me that heavy rains like this are more frequent, and the 1/4" (or less) rains which used to be common around here, are now more infrequent. This is just a personal observation.
We had plenty of rain, and very little snow the past several months. There is a pond in my backyard, where it usually only occurs when the ground is frozen. The sky is very dark, too.


Same here farther east, my pond has spilled its banks on two sides now and we've only had an inch so far. I think we're just warming up, it looks to be a very wet and muddy early April.
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SHARK-CYCLONE !

Cyclone Debbie leaves bull shark stranded on Australia road

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

FIRST POSTED: THURSDAY, MARCH 30, 2017 0


AYR, Australia — An Australian journalist covering flooding from Cyclone Debbie was shocked to come across a dead bull shark that was apparently swept up in the deluge.

WIN News reporter Philip Calder tells news.com.au that he was in the town of Ayr to shoot video of a flooded road and couldn’t believe he came across a shark in a puddle. He says the shark is “the talk of the town” and many locals have turned out to touch it.

Some social media users are drawing a connection between the shark and Syfy’s “Sharknado” film series, which features sharks getting swept up in cyclones and wreaking havoc on cities.

Cyclone Debbie knocked out power to thousands when it slammed ashore with winds up to 260 kilometres (160 miles) an hour Tuesday.


I use the farmer's almanac to see the predicted forecast. Why do I do that? Because weather is cyclical. Plus you clowns should probably use it also. It has a higher rate of accuracy than any "weather forecaster".
Big companies defy Trump on climate change

Two years ago, 365 companies and investors — including Nestlé, General Mills, Mars, Staples, Unilever, and Timberland and North Face maker VF Corp. — signed a petition to state governors urging them to implement the Clean Power Plan in what the environmental nonprofit Ceres described as "an unprecedented show of business support for tackling climate change."

"Our support is firmly grounded in economic reality," the petition stated. "Increasingly, businesses rely on renewable energy and energy efficiency solutions to cut costs and improve corporate performance."


Link

470. TTrillo

I figured you for a raccoon entrail reader.
Quoting 470. TTrillo:

I use the farmer's almanac to see the predicted forecast. Why do I do that? Because weather is cyclical. Plus you clowns should probably use it also. It has a higher rate of accuracy than any "weather forecaster".






Next?

..Bueller?

Heartland Bueller?
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Quoting 457. schwankmoe:

no, in the 70's we weren't "going into an ice age". that's been debunked so many times it's not funny anymore. never was, actually.

and yes, we stopped wrecking the ozone layer thanks to rules regarding CFC use. that's a good thing.

i mean my god, people, enough with the derp already.


The comments that we are seeing now from this new set of trolls are just teasers for what you will see at Disqus. Keep your powder dry.
Quoting 424. JrWeathermanFL:

Trumps right...If people want to take serious action against the climate, they shouldn't have government tell them how to handle it..we are each individually capable of taking our own steps without the overreaching of government. I'd say get rid of EVERY regulation to do with climate change. If we want to save this planet, then it's up to us, not government. Government and its regulations won't be enough to save us


Your either really young, really ignorant, or some combination thereof. You definitely did not live during the bad old days BEFORE the government stepped in and started saying things like "No you can't dump toxic waste into rivers".

There used to be rivers of death, choking clouds of smog and pollution, and even several decades of burning lead into the atmosphere via cars. Companies fought tooth and nail against every regulation and mandate to clean up their acts. Not a single one ever did so out of their concern for the environment. They had to be FORCED to do it.

I've already seen rivers so toxic and polluted that they killed everything in them and, in one instance, actually catch on fire. That's what you get when you don't bring down the hammer on our sociopathic economic system. I've no desire to return to those days, and really neither do you.
Quoting 479. Some1Has2BtheRookie:



The comments that we are seeing now from this new set of trolls are just teasers for what you will see at Disqus. Keep your powder dry.
Sad but true; many of the lunies on the net are Disqus users on all of the news sites including local television and newspaper sites spewing the most foul and obscene insults at people-not much science in those discussions...........Ouch.
Quoting 470. TTrillo:

I use the farmer's almanac to see the predicted forecast. Why do I do that? Because weather is cyclical. Plus you clowns should probably use it also. It has a higher rate of accuracy than any "weather forecaster".


The Disqus trolls are salivating so much that it appears a few of them are trying to get an early start. I feel a great swell of pity for the mods. This is but a minor taste of the idiocy you're about to be inundated with.
JeffMasters has created a new entry.
Quoting 482. Xyrus2000:



The Disqus trolls are salivating so much that it appears a few of them are trying to get an early start. I feel a great swell of pity for the mods. This is but a minor taste of the idiocy you're about to be inundated with.


If it does become a problem downstream, I would support charging a reasonable fee to be able to comment on the new Blog along with Dr. Masters and Mr. Henson; like charging cover at a club to keep the riff-raff out.
Quoting 479. Some1Has2BtheRookie:



The comments that we are seeing now from this new set of trolls are just teasers for what you will see at Disqus. Keep your powder dry.
Some of us have spent many years out in the climate denialosphere.
Enough to make our current state of political discourse look very, very familiar.
Because sources and methods are much the same. You can think of the climate denial operation as a proving ground for the much larger campaigns now being run.
Thank you Dr. Masters for this important blog.
Quoting 454. frogmen:

I do not believe that you are even on the same planet. No ONE even considers the garbage that comes from the population. The rotting, fetid garbage piles from the disposable diapers and excess garbage generated by this population is killing our planet. Just as well burn clean coal. We are killing our planet with too many people.

No, we are killing the planet with too much waste.
But, folks, hear, hear.
Quoting 469. Patrap:

SHARK-CYCLONE !

That.
But also Debbie torched the XXXX brewery. Such things could trigger Aussiecalypse Now.
Quoting 479. Some1Has2BtheRookie:



The comments that we are seeing now from this new set of trolls are just teasers for what you will see at Disqus. Keep your powder dry.

We live in the nuclear age. No worries.
492. vis0

493. vis0
IF SERIOUS WEATHER IS NEAR BY IGNORE THIS COMMENT ...hoping

in the new blog/site WxHub site cat6 can at least do one feature i've
posted.  That is colorize comments / comments number that include
warnings or are directly related to storm alerts by members in a lite
orange.  i'll use my colour picker to fast scroll to the next orange in
the x,y  line where comment numbers or that colour is placed thus
avoiding vis0 nutty comments to troll comments
 

 

Quoting 424. JrWeathermanFL:

Trumps right...If people want to take serious action against the climate, they
shouldn't have government tell them how to handle it..we are each
individually capable of taking our own steps without the overreaching of
government.
I'd say get rid of EVERY regulation to do with
climate change. If we want to save this planet, then it's up to us, not
government. Government and its regulations won't be enough to save us



 

 

Quoting 480. Xyrus2000:


Your either really young, really ignorant, or some combination thereof. You
definitely did not live during the bad old days BEFORE the government
stepped in and started saying things like "No you can't dump toxic waste
into rivers".


There used to be rivers of death, choking clouds of smog and pollution, and even several decades of burning lead into the atmosphere via cars. Companies fought tooth and nail against every regulation and mandate to clean up their acts. Not a single one ever did so out of  their concern for the environment. They had to be FORCED to do it.

I've
already seen rivers so toxic and polluted that they killed everything
in them and, in one instance, actually catch on fire. That's what you
get when you don't bring down the hammer on our sociopathic economic
system. I've no desire to return to those days, and really neither do
you.



 

 

 

vis0 sez::

If i may post a day and  few hours early before "we" celebrate onto a day as to the fools that are trying to persuade their foolishness onto the rest of the country (planet).

 

Recommend
protesters on April 1st 2017 hold up a sign that reads "Trump Cares"
other side "April fools!", with an example of Trumps foolery on the sign
that opens up like a big card and reads,   i want oil pipeline built with 100% American Steel though over 50% of the steel is stored in Canada ALREADY produced by other countries.     -or-     Trump sez he'll defend all peoples rights yet he  is removing the rights of all people to defend themselves against companies that lie to their workers.

As to comment#424 copied and included above.   
 

A government/governing body by itself does NOT maketh its actions automatically  good nor bad.

It is what that governing body is to represent that deems it worthy or untrustworthy in the eyes as to any final judgement.
 

The USofA government is to represent the people as in by its people for its people.    The twist...
 

(worse than the twists of a NYC pretzel made by an 85 year
Brooklynite with arthritis, shout out to Franki.    He's made pretzels
for over 70 years, eating them is harder than filling in NY Times
crosswords but more delicious - uses sea salt sauteed in flavors)

 

...was
when corporations were granted corpus humanus rights. (Sit down Xyrus
ya don't have to spill it and tell all the corpus humanus, vis0 made up)


 
Therefore
the government of the USofA IF IT WHERE being "run" (governed)  as it
was meant to be "run" would be on the side of human beings AS
INDIVIDUALS not on the side of Individual companies being given the
rights as if they where a person .  The corporations actions connected
to Trumps policies would if carried out by a human being be considered
by most courts as a form of suicide/terrorism thus sent (the company as
an individual) to solitary confinement till doctors where bought in to
evaluate the situation.
 

Imagine a person saying any of the following::

 
  • f*** the warning on a cigarette CARTON i'm smoking as many cigarettes as i can till i black out,  EVERY DAY...in the face of all including pets and children.


 
  • A person saying, the heck with separating the used  turlet
    flow from the kitchen drain i'm building both together to save on money
    by not spending DOUBLE to build to drainage outflows (
    see world plaque(s) due to unsanitary conditions during the dark ages  or  typhoid mary for what happens next)


 
  • Pishhh why should i NOT lie its fun to lie.   i'm a billionare and  a
    police officer so you are ordered by me Officer vis0 badge number
    1F9A6K3E-9K4O2P to quicker than immediately evacuate your home cause
    i'mmoving in and connecting my new homes water line to the gasoline
    stations tank and ordering ExxonPhillipsMobil Derporatrion...

  •  

    (nothing against they're hard workers but your being had in their Shell
    game watch other nations pass or gain on the USofA all because
    Corporations lied to their workers so instead of workers being helped to
    learn how to work in a new greener energy field you're going to go the
    way of the rustbelt that was lied to in the 1970s.



        &n bsp;    ...to install the needed pipes and never mind going around the cemetery which includes veterans of war build the
pipes right through there and next to ~fresh water wells.  Then me the billionaire is going to give YOU the bill.


 
  • ¿What da Que? (loosely translated What da What) i say you  should follow the law yet do all to remove the laws i don't like...that protect other INDIVIDUALS.

 

Again if corporations want to be treated like a person then lets not just have that treatment at the acceptance end, but at the human evaluation scale too.
 

 Evaluate
the present companies Trump is helping and decides whether they are
suicidal / terrorists or  productive TO HUMANITY and humanity's  pursuit
of  happiness.


 

This comment i just posted was a kind of repeat from a post ~2 years ago when what seemed like a $keptic troll mentioned,  why are we worrying 'bout a Planet that is warming (faster than naturally not by 2 times but over 150 times**) when there is so much more important things to worry 'bout like terrorists.

 

Yes
its important to lower terrorism, best way is by raising the quality of
PUBLIC education for ALL PEOPLE and correcting / stopping what i state
is leading to most of the artificial bump in ADD and the wearing of ones
emotions on ones sleeves
thus acting without thinking in the past
~40 years.  The stopping involves stopping local usage by mob groups to
use a modern crime of introducing sounds via microwaves as a method to
attack people make the victims body acidic thus use it as extortion
device as pay us or become ill.  Also semi related is modern warfare
using lasers connecting to the loud repetitive sounds of war has a
similar affect as the aforementioned crime, this in fact both crimes can
be controlled via clothing sewn in a manner where its folds are at the
bottom of the material and a few other features to send the repetitive
loud sounds trying to re-ground themselves through a living enclosed
complex animal's circulation's magnetic properties namely the human body
as sound wants to go downward and electro mag towards tru-ground. Reads
as weird,  study how people in the late 1980s fainted while using
dumbbells that had laser treatment attached to weights mainly as they
played
repetitive beats tunes, this is how/why gangs use those thump
thump e-music in their cars and car "wings" fins spoilers on car trunks
to car alarms so the loud sounds vibrate the air towards victims
temporarily suspending the sound  "voyage inward" (to go outward just
like one uses heartbeat to go inward to meditate outward) enough that
its redirected into victims body.  Once "in" the human body the sound
then coils/travels towards their feet's soles (opposing friction upward
warming brain causing fainting/drowsiness) generating an acidic reaction
in victim...magic! ...abre chupacabra ...oh wait... that is  ahbra cadahbra.
 (Remember medical experts know not why people fainted then and my theory i first posted in 1991...lets see who figures it out)

 

** As an analogy as to Earth becoming 150 times warmer yet some /
many not REALLY caring. If Milk costs 4 bucks a Gallon and in your
lifetime it reaches 500 bucks a gallon...bet you'll have a cow.  Yet
that same fold in numbers as to milk costing so much would not kill ya,
yet  a sick planet will kill you     s l o w l y and painfully
 ...prediction... Trump appointee/bugbite/rare/only explanation/warmness
moving pole-ward.

 

 

Buy the way cost my 2 cents:: What do i think this Russian/Nazi/Sadist Regime is taking hold??? try this theory...

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your browser window to that linked page and specific comment in
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movie...Dumbos Draconian Damage Destroys Deconomy & Duhumans.
-Donald Duck

 

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IF SERIOUS WEATHER IS NEAR BY IGNORE THIS COMMENT...oh look a new Dr. Masters/Mr. Henson cat6 blogbyte
Quoting 493. vis0:

IF SERIOUS WEATHER IS NEAR BY IGNORE THIS COMMENT ...hoping

in the new blog/site WxHub site cat6 can at least do one feature i've
posted.  That is colorize comments / comments number that include
warnings or are directly related to storm alerts by members in a lite
orange.  i'll use my colour picker to fast scroll to the next orange in
the x,y  line where comment numbers or that colour is placed thus
avoiding vis0 nutty comments to troll comments
 

 

Quoting 424. JrWeathermanFL:

Trumps right...If people want to take serious action against the climate, they
shouldn't have government tell them how to handle it..we are each
individually capable of taking our own steps without the overreaching of
government.
I'd say get rid of EVERY regulation to do with
climate change. If we want to save this planet, then it's up to us, not
government. Government and its regulations won't be enough to save us



 

 

Quoting 480. Xyrus2000:


Your either really young, really ignorant, or some combination thereof. You
definitely did not live during the bad old days BEFORE the government
stepped in and started saying things like "No you can't dump toxic waste
into rivers".


There used to be rivers of death, choking clouds of smog and pollution, and even several decades of burning lead into the atmosphere via cars. Companies fought tooth and nail against every regulation and mandate to clean up their acts. Not a single one ever did so out of  their concern for the environment. They had to be FORCED to do it.

I've
already seen rivers so toxic and polluted that they killed everything
in them and, in one instance, actually catch on fire. That's what you
get when you don't bring down the hammer on our sociopathic economic
system. I've no desire to return to those days, and really neither do
you.



 

 

 

vis0 sez::

If i may post a day and  few hours early before "we" celebrate onto a day as to the fools that are trying to persuade their foolishness onto the rest of the country (planet).

 

Recommend
protesters on April 1st 2017 hold up a sign that reads "Trump Cares"
other side "April fools!", with an example of Trumps foolery on the sign
that opens up like a big card and reads,   i want oil pipeline built with 100% American Steel though over 50% of the steel is stored in Canada ALREADY produced by other countries.     -or-     Trump sez he'll defend all peoples rights yet he  is removing the rights of all people to defend themselves against companies that lie to their workers.

As to comment#424 copied and included above.   
 

A government/governing body by itself does NOT maketh its actions automatically  good nor bad.

It is what that governing body is to represent that deems it worthy or untrustworthy in the eyes as to any final judgement.
 

The USofA government is to represent the people as in by its people for its people.    The twist...
 

(worse than the twists of a NYC pretzel made by an 85 year
Brooklynite with arthritis, shout out to Franki.    He's made pretzels
for over 70 years, eating them is harder than filling in NY Times
crosswords but more delicious - uses sea salt sauteed in flavors)

 

...was
when corporations were granted corpus humanus rights. (Sit down Xyrus
ya don't have to spill it and tell all the corpus humanus, vis0 made up)


 
Therefore
the government of the USofA IF IT WHERE being "run" (governed)  as it
was meant to be "run" would be on the side of human beings AS
INDIVIDUALS not on the side of Individual companies being given the
rights as if they where a person .  The corporations actions connected
to Trumps policies would if carried out by a human being be considered
by most courts as a form of suicide/terrorism thus sent (the company as
an individual) to solitary confinement till doctors where bought in to
evaluate the situation.
 

Imagine a person saying any of the following::

 
  • f*** the warning on a cigarette CARTON i'm smoking as many cigarettes as i can till i black out,  EVERY DAY...in the face of all including pets and children.


 
  • A person saying, the heck with separating the used  turlet
    flow from the kitchen drain i'm building both together to save on money
    by not spending DOUBLE to build to drainage outflows (
    see world plaque(s) due to unsanitary conditions during the dark ages  or  typhoid mary for what happens next)


 
  • Pishhh why should i NOT lie its fun to lie.   i'm a billionare and  a
    police officer so you are ordered by me Officer vis0 badge number
    1F9A6K3E-9K4O2P to quicker than immediately evacuate your home cause
    i'mmoving in and connecting my new homes water line to the gasoline
    stations tank and ordering ExxonPhillipsMobil Derporatrion...

  •  

    (nothing against they're hard workers but your being had in their Shell
    game watch other nations pass or gain on the USofA all because
    Corporations lied to their workers so instead of workers being helped to
    learn how to work in a new greener energy field you're going to go the
    way of the rustbelt that was lied to in the 1970s.



        &a mp;n bsp;    ...to install the needed pipes and never mind going around the cemetery which includes veterans of war build the
pipes right through there and next to ~fresh water wells.  Then me the billionaire is going to give YOU the bill.


 
  • ¿What da Que? (loosely translated What da What) i say you  should follow the law yet do all to remove the laws i don't like...that protect other INDIVIDUALS.

 

Again if corporations want to be treated like a person then lets not just have that treatment at the acceptance end, but at the human evaluation scale too.
 

 Evaluate
the present companies Trump is helping and decides whether they are
suicidal / terrorists or  productive TO HUMANITY and humanity's  pursuit
of  happiness.


 

This comment i just posted was a kind of repeat from a post ~2 years ago when what seemed like a $keptic troll mentioned,  why are we worrying 'bout a Planet that is warming (faster than naturally not by 2 times but over 150 times**) when there is so much more important things to worry 'bout like terrorists.

 

Yes
its important to lower terrorism, best way is by raising the quality of
PUBLIC education for ALL PEOPLE and correcting / stopping what i state
is leading to most of the artificial bump in ADD and the wearing of ones
emotions on ones sleeves
thus acting without thinking in the past
~40 years.  The stopping involves stopping local usage by mob groups to
use a modern crime of introducing sounds via microwaves as a method to
attack people make the victims body acidic thus use it as extortion
device as pay us or become ill.  Also semi related is modern warfare
using lasers connecting to the loud repetitive sounds of war has a
similar affect as the aforementioned crime, this in fact both crimes can
be controlled via clothing sewn in a manner where its folds are at the
bottom of the material and a few other features to send the repetitive
loud sounds trying to re-ground themselves through a living enclosed
complex animal's circulation's magnetic properties namely the human body
as sound wants to go downward and electro mag towards tru-ground. Reads
as weird,  study how people in the late 1980s fainted while using
dumbbells that had laser treatment attached to weights mainly as they
played
repetitive beats tunes, this is how/why gangs use those thump
thump e-music in their cars and car "wings" fins spoilers on car trunks
to car alarms so the loud sounds vibrate the air towards victims
temporarily suspending the sound  "voyage inward" (to go outward just
like one uses heartbeat to go inward to meditate outward) enough that
its redirected into victims body.  Once "in" the human body the sound
then coils/travels towards their feet's soles (opposing friction upward
warming brain causing fainting/drowsiness) generating an acidic reaction
in victim...magic! ...abre chupacabra ...oh wait... that is  ahbra cadahbra.
 (Remember medical experts know not why people fainted then and my theory i first posted in 1991...lets see who figures it out)

 

** As an analogy as to Earth becoming 150 times warmer yet some /
many not REALLY caring. If Milk costs 4 bucks a Gallon and in your
lifetime it reaches 500 bucks a gallon...bet you'll have a cow.  Yet
that same fold in numbers as to milk costing so much would not kill ya,
yet  a sick planet will kill you     s l o w l y and painfully
 ...prediction... Trump appointee/bugbite/rare/only explanation/warmness
moving pole-ward.

 

 

Buy the way cost my 2 cents:: What do i think this Russian/Nazi/Sadist Regime is taking hold??? try this theory...

(If signed in, my links embedded in the dot dot dots will auto-scroll
your browser window to that linked page and specific comment in
question.  If not logged in, please go locate my zilly blog
and comment #577 THERE, it'll make a nice Disney 3D cartoon
movie...Dumbos Draconian Damage Destroys Deconomy & Duhumans.
-Donald Duck

 

a vis0 production - filtered through WATSON

 

IF SERIOUS WEATHER IS NEAR BY IGNORE THIS COMMENT...oh look a new Dr. Masters/Mr. Henson cat6 blogbyte



dribble : why are we worrying 'bout a Planet that is warming (faster than naturally not by 2 times but over 150 times**)

A pretty steep graph. So 125 and 250BP was not natural? You dont say?