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The winter of 2010 - 2011 officially over, but winter-like weather continues

By: Dr. Jeff Masters, 3:01 PM GMT on March 01, 2011

It's March 1, and meteorological winter--the 3-month December, January, February period--is officially over. However, below-average temperatures and winter-like conditions will continue to affect most of the U.S. through the middle of March, and the groundhog definitely messed up his end-of-winter forecast when he failed to see his shadow on February 2 and predicted an early end to winter. While the latest computer forecast models are not showing any new Nor'easters will affect coastal New England in the coming ten days, Chicago and Detroit may see a major winter storm on Saturday, and additional significant snows are likely next week over the Upper Midwest. The potential for additional heavy snows over the Upper Midwest next week is a major concern for North Dakota, South Dakota, Minnesota, and Wisconsin, where winter snows 200% - 400% of average have piled up a snowpack that is among the wettest on record. December-January precipitation ranked in the top ten over the past 116 years. If you take all the snow that is piled up an melt it all at once, it would amount to more than six inches of rain over large swaths of the region. The NWS is predicting a 10 - 30% chance that Fargo, Grand Forks, St. Paul, and portions of South Dakota will see their highest floods in history this spring when that massive snowpack melts.


Figure 1. The amount of water locked in the current snowpack if one were to melt all the snow on the ground. Snow depths in excess of 18 inches with a very high water content lie across much of the Upper Midwest. Image credit: NOAA/NOHRSC.

Severe weather, floods hit Midwest, Southeast
Severe weather swept through the Midwest and Southeast yesterday, with six reports of tornadoes in Tennessee, South Carolina, and North Carolina. One tornado-related death was reported in Franklin County, Tennessee. NOAA's Storm Prediction Center logged 154 reports of high winds, and 24 reports of large hail. Heavy rains of 2 - 3 inches fell over a large swath of Indiana and Ohio, leading to moderate to major river flooding.


Figure 2. Severe weather reports logged by NOAA's Storm Prediction Center on February 28, 2011.

I'll have a new post on Wednesday.

Jeff Masters
Special Effects
Special Effects
More reported funnel clouds in the St. Louis, MO, area last night. These came in with a squall line bowing out just before midnight. The storms were moving about 70mph and carried straight-line winds to match....along with some rain-wrapped funnels. No reported touchdowns and isolated damage despite 40,000 people area-wide losing power for a few hours. And, it's not even spring! Ronnie's Cine is a long-standing movie plex in the South St. Louis County area at the intersections of Lindbergh Blvd. and Baptist Church Rd. Photo taken 2/28/11 and 900am.
Flooding 2-28-11
Flooding 2-28-11
Auglaize River Flooding Wapakoneta Ohio

Winter Weather

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Reader Comments

Thanks Doc.

Meteorological spring begins today--and tremendously welcomed by many.
So, how we doing on the groundhog forecast? Did he get it right this year?

As for that snowpack in the Upper Midwest, lets hope for a cool spring that extends the melt time so they won't have such a flood problem.

Thanks for the new blog Dr. Masters.
And so it begins:

Flooding revisits Ohio city inundated 4 years ago

"FINDLAY, Ohio — Rivers rose and flooded out residents a day after wicked storms whipped across the eastern half of the nation, lashing some areas with heavy rain and tornadoes that damaged buildings and killed at least three people.

"The main street in the northwest Ohio city of Findlay, badly hit by flooding in August 2007, was under 3 feet of water Tuesday morning. Sandbags were stacked throughout downtown as forecasts called for the Blanchard River to rise 6.5 feet above flood level. That's just a foot lower than the catastrophic flood four years ago that swamped the city, 45 miles south of Toledo, and caused millions of dollars in damage."

Article...
Unfortunately, more significant rainfall forecasted for many of the severe weather ravaged areas may thwart efforts to clean up damage sustained to property and homes.

HPC days 4 thru 5 (7am EST Friday thru 7am EST Sunday) with the approach of another early spring storm:
One thing that's a little odd too me, Ive never heard of 18 inches of snow amounting to 6 inches of rain, heck 8 inches of snow amounting to an inch of rain is considered very wet snow. I'm not sure Ive ever heard of a 3 inch snow/ 1 inch of rain ratio. I'm not saying its impossible or anything, I just wish I could get a scientific explanation behind that. I would expect 18 inches of heavy wet snow to be equivalent to 1.75 to 2 inches of rain. Not 6.
I have a feeling its going to be a very hot and humid summer across the eastern U.S. this year, last several years this has been the case.



Thanks, Jeff!
SnowPACK, Jed
Not all across the northern midwest are having a snow problem. I believe we are having the exact opposite problem here...not enough snow. This will negatively affect lake levels unless we have a rainy summer and depending on if we have a warm summer again, that could make problems worse...less water to warm = warmer lake again.

February 2011-One of the Least Snowiest on Record at NWS Marquette
This February at the Marquette NWS was the one of the least snowiest on record...coming in at only 13.7 inches. The amount of liquid precipitation since January 1st is also lacking. According to climate records, it is the 5th driest start to the year.

Top 10 least snowiest Februaries at NWS Marquette




Rank Snowfall (in) in February Year
1 4.3 1966
2 7.6 1963
3 9.6 1982
4 12.4 1994
5 12.8 1967
6 13.7 2011
7 15.1 1970
8 15.3 1998
9 16.4 1973
10 17.2 1964


Top 10 Driest Starts of the year at NWS Marquette



Rank Liquid Precip (in) from Jan 1-Feb 28 Year
1 1.35 1966
2 2.06 1974
3 2.13 1973
4 2.13 1994
5 2.16 2011
6 2.25 1965
7 2.27 1963
8 2.29 1977
9 2.59 1964
10 2.63 2003




I gotta say, very thankful to pick up a rain total of 0.56 this morning, I wasn't really expecting anything more than drizzle out of this front, however despite the overall lack of activity with the front this morning, a strong cell popped up near New Port Richey and slid over head, I was actually woken up by a intense downpour and some nice lighting activity, too bad it only last 6 minutes, we could have gotten a much high total had it stuck around longer.

Its been very dry overall lately though, speaking of dry, some idiot set fire to the woods on my friends property. Its so dry right now the thick palm and pine woods quickly lit up into an inferno, a lot of it burned before the fire department arrived, I grew up having fun in those woods, its sad some people actually get a kick out of destroying other people's enjoyment...
Complete Update

Yes.. it can stop snowing anytime...





Quoting JupiterKen:
SnowPACK, Jed


Like I said, I didn't question the accuracy of the post at all, I just thought it was odd, I realize it is snow pack but still. Its not like the hand of God crams it into snow balls, lol.

I was just wondering how it is so dense there. I guess to to the persistence of many very wet snow storms across those areas.
Quoting RIDGES:
Not all across the northern midwest are having a snow problem. I believe we are having the exact opposite problem here...not enough snow. This will negatively affect lake levels unless we have a rainy summer and depending on if we have a warm summer again, that could make problems worse...less water to warm = warmer lake again.

February 2011-One of the Least Snowiest on Record at NWS Marquette
This February at the Marquette NWS was the one of the least snowiest on record...coming in at only 13.7 inches. The amount of liquid precipitation since January 1st is also lacking. According to climate records, it is the 5th driest start to the year.

Top 10 least snowiest Februaries at NWS Marquette




Rank Snowfall (in) in February Year
1 4.3 1966
2 7.6 1963
3 9.6 1982
4 12.4 1994
5 12.8 1967
6 13.7 2011
7 15.1 1970
8 15.3 1998
9 16.4 1973
10 17.2 1964


Top 10 Driest Starts of the year at NWS Marquette



Rank Liquid Precip (in) from Jan 1-Feb 28 Year
1 1.35 1966
2 2.06 1974
3 2.13 1973
4 2.13 1994
5 2.16 2011
6 2.25 1965
7 2.27 1963
8 2.29 1977
9 2.59 1964
10 2.63 2003





I must say your lake effect snow machine has not been as impressive this year as to what one is more accustomed to seeing up there for an average winter.

A good portion of your winter precipitation probably comes in the form of lake effect from Lake Superior.
Quoting PSLFLCaneVet:



Thanks, Jeff!


Morning PSL! Good to see you.
Quoting Jedkins01:


Like I said, I didn't question the accuracy of the post at all, I just thought it was odd, I realize it is snow pack but still. Its not like the hand of God crams it into snow balls, lol.

I was just wondering how it is so dense there. I guess to to the persistence of many very wet snow storms across those areas.

Over time individual snowflakes settle and compact, becoming denser and denser as they are forced together. It's how glaciers are formed: what starts as light and fluffy snow becomes impenetrably thick ice with a very high water content.
Southern Calif. Weather Update:

Cold and cloudy.... we could really use some SQUAWK!!!!!!!
In addition to the HPC forecasted precipitation for days 4 thru 5 (7am EST Friday thru 7am EST Sunday) with the approach of another early spring storm, many of these same locales already have flood warnings posted for them in IL, IN, KY, MO and OH:

Flood Warnings are in the green shade:
AMY!!!!!!

Well, if you need some, you got some!
hello all happy MAR 2 more mos too go be for HH starts
The packing matters. The ice of Antarctica once fell as snow.

Melting the ice Antarctica would raise sea level by 61 meters (200 feet).
This can't be good for those in the Midwest in danger of flooding.

Quoting Jedkins01:
I have a feeling its going to be a very hot and humid summer across the eastern U.S. this year, last several years this has been the case.

If you enjoy maps, 2010 sure was a toasty (Figure 1), muggy (Figure 2) one for much of the Eastern US from Florida up through the Carolinas through the Mid-Atlantic states.

These maps below synchronize temperature data directly from the NCDC climate database from weather stations around the US. They even have 1971-2000 climate data maps.

Link

Figure 1:


Figure 2:
Quoting SQUAWK:
This can't be good for those in the Midwest in danger of flooding.



That's not good at all, especially in some places in the NE. No one needs it again.

But as for the heavy snow for where i'm snowboarding in CO, can you say BOO-YEAH!
In the upper tier states and to the far west it will be runoff too. Into the waterways where its not needed.

Quoting caneswatch:


That's not good at all, especially in some places in the NE. No one needs it again.

But as for the heavy snow for where i'm snowboarding in CO, can you say BOO-YEAH!


Don't forget to wear your helmet, keep your boots dry, don't forget your scarf. If you feel a cold coming on, wrap you neck in Vicks, and please watch out for those trees on the downslopes. Other than that, have a good time.
8 JupiterKen "SnowPACK, Jed"
12 Jedkins01 "Like I said, I didn't question the accuracy of the post at all, I just thought it was odd, I realize it is snow pack but still. Its not like the hand of God crams it into snow balls, lol.
I was just wondering how it is so dense there. I guess to to the persistence of many very wet snow storms across those areas.


That which began as surface snow packs under a process called nivation, ie:
Each time a snowflake is moved by wind, it is mechanically broken into smaller crystals which pack tighter for an increased density.
With every increase in pressure whether from new snow above or from wind pressure, lower crystals are mechanically grinded into even smaller crystals which pack even tighter for an even greater density.
With each increase in air temperature above melting (before returning to below freezing), surface snow melts then recrystalizes into striations of ice after filtering through a depth of broken snowflakes.
Etc.
Don't forget to wear your helmet, keep your boots dry, don't forget your scarf. If you feel a cold coming on, wrap you neck in Vicks, and please watch out for those trees on the downslopes. Other than that, have a good time.

yes, Grandma....

;)
http://www7320.nrlssc.navy.mil/global_ncom/anims/gl b/sss12m.gif
http://www7320.nrlssc.navy.mil/global_ncom/anims/ nat/sss30d.gif
As the melt season begins this map should be interesting to watch. Does anyone know how I can get up to the minute information on the greenland ice sheet melt?
Quoting NRAamy:
Southern Calif. Weather Update:

Cold and cloudy.... we could really use some SQUAWK!!!!!!!


I'm beginning to sense a fixation here. ;)
dashboard cowman!

:)
NWS Eastern Region: Current 7-Day Observed Precipitation:

Click to Enlarge



ridin' in style.....

:)
I sure don't care about peoples vacation plans or wasting time on social fodder. Especially when others lives and property are threatened.

How callow. Would be embarrassing if the professionals actually still came to the blog part and didn't just read Dr M and leave.
The conveyor belt is the life support system for civilization.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/02/0902 25132239.htm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-13 48000/Mammoth-Japanese-scientists-resurrect-extinc t-giant-frozen-DNA-5-years.html
"The Kyoto University researchers are planning an expedition to the Siberian permafrost this summer in search of a flash-frozen specimen still rich in DNA."
http://www.gfy.ku.dk/~www-glac/ngrip/presse_07080 4_eng.html
http://www.terradaily.com/2004/040807175825.lneck lp2.html Apparently the Greenland ice sheet formed very fast.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sciencetoday/ 2010/0121/1224262767023.html
http://www.gizmag.com/mini-ice-age-hit-in-months/ 13489/
"Those who scoffed at the swiftness with which the world was plunged into an ice age in the film The Day After Tomorrow may need to rethink their disbelief with new research showing that such a scenario may not be so far from the truth. A new study reveals that switching off the North Atlantic circulation can force the Northern hemisphere into a mini ‘ice age’ in a matter of months rather than the tens of years indicated by previous research."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34242705/ns/technolog y_and_science-science/
http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-n asa/2004/05mar_arctic/
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Newsroom/view.ph p?id=41518

The THC shutting down would leave the heat in the tropics. The areas that used to be warmed by the THC will get colder. The cold air will collide with the very warm moist air. The storms generated by the colliding air masses will penetrate the stratosphere. The superchilled snowflakes will flash freeze anything the touch. Therefor the ideal gas law is not violated. The storm will bury much of the northern hemisphere with snow. The albedo will stabilize the climate at temperatures not seen since the younger dryas. Since civilization will be devastated by the storm the emission of ghgs will slow. The short lived ground level O3 and black carbon will dissipate in days. The colder oceans will over a longer period absorb much of our CO2. The climate will have stabilized, but at a great cost.
Quoting NRAamy:



ridin' in style.....

:)
I've never looked closely at that pic...that's looking toward Navarre Beach just over the bridge
Holly-wood?

Comes to wu.






Miami International Airport
Lat: 25.78 Lon: -80.32 Elev: 35
Last Update on Mar 1, 11:53 am EST


A Few Clouds

83 F
(28 C) Humidity: 48 %
Wind Speed: SW 10 MPH
Barometer: 30.07" (1018.3 mb)
Dewpoint: 61 F (16 C)
Heat Index: 83 F (28 C)
Visibility: 10.00 mi.
Quoting JFLORIDA:
I sure don't care about peoples vacation plans or wasting time on social fodder. Especially when others lives and property are threatened.

How callow. Would be embarrassing if the professionals actually still came to the blog part and didn't just read Dr M and leave.

"He's back" Look who's talkin' about caring about the fellow man" "MAN"?
Quoting NRAamy:
Don't forget to wear your helmet, keep your boots dry, don't forget your scarf. If you feel a cold coming on, wrap you neck in Vicks, and please watch out for those trees on the downslopes. Other than that, have a good time.

yes, Grandma....

;)


Grandma knows best, doesn't she ;) LOL
canes... yes she does!

:)


Quoting Neapolitan:

Over time individual snowflakes settle and compact, becoming denser and denser as they are forced together. It's how glaciers are formed: what starts as light and fluffy snow becomes impenetrably thick ice with a very high water content.
  Not only that,snow still melts in temps below freezing. 
Quoting caneswatch:


Grandma knows best, doesn't she ;) LOL

I sure can second that.

Check that. I'll be third to agree.

Amy beat me.
Quoting JFLORIDA:
I sure don't care about peoples vacation plans or wasting time on social fodder. Especially when others lives and property are threatened.

How callow. Would be embarrassing if the professionals actually still came to the blog part and didn't just read Dr M and leave.


Didn't you see the part where I said "That's not good at all, especially in some places in the NE. No one needs it again?"

I guess not. It just shows exactly who you are.
Man if this qpf comes to be, lots of us are in trouble!

Quoting nocaneindy:
Man if this qpf comes to be, lots of us are in trouble!


Yeah, and you're right in the bullseye, nocaneindy.

I'm hoping this 4-5 day projection backs off a bit by evening.
Quoting cat5hurricane:

Yeah, and you're right in the 'bullseye, nocaneindy.

I'm hoping this 4-5 day projection backs off a bit by evening.


You and me both. We're still in a flood warning as I type. Our rivers and creeks are supposed to crest today, but it appears it'll be short lived if that comes about.
Quoting nocaneindy:


You and me both. We're still in a flood warning as I type. Our rivers and creeks are supposed to crest today, but it appears it'll be short lived if that comes about.

Yep, you betcha.
Virgin Galactic signs deal with scientists for space travel

by Melanie Nayer (RSS feed) on Feb 28th 2011 at 11:00AM






While NASA's Discovery made its final frontier into space on Friday, Virgin Galactic was inking its own space deal, this time substituting space tourists for scientists.

Southwest Research Institute, a nonprofit research organization, signed a deal with Virgin Galactic to conduct experiments in suborbital space. Two $200,000 tickets aboard the six-passenger SpaceShipTwo will be handed to Southwest scientists, who will conduct various scientific experiments during the flight.

In a statement obtained by Space.com:

"This agreement signals the enormous scientific potential of the Virgin spaceflight system," Virgin Galactic president and CEO George Whitesides said in a statement. "Science flights will be an important growth area for the company in the years to come, building on the strong commercial success already demonstrated by deposits received from over 400 individuals for Virgin's space experience."

While no date for the commercial space flight has been set, the deal is already generating buzz. The scientist experiments onboard Virgin Galactic hold a value of about $1.6 million.

So, what exactly will the scientists be "experimenting"? The agreement will allow scientists to use SpaceShipTwo as a flying laboratory for experiments in weightlessness, biology, astronomy and climate research, officials said.

Alan Stern, one of the scientists who will be on board the flight, said: "Initially, two of our payload specialists will be flying on Virgin Galactic, conducting biomedical monitoring, atmospheric imaging, and microgravity planetary regolith experiments."

So... kind of like an astronaut? God speed, scientists!

[via Space.com]
Looks like somebody lost their book "How to Win Friends and Influence People" again. Canes, I am going to send you a bumper sticker for your car.

"I would rather be callow than shallow"
Grother..I want one
Quoting PalmBeachWeather:
caneswatch..How are you? JFLORIDA is one of the (guys?) that read in between the lines to make him look better(not). jflorida is only one of the many hundreds that post here that may have a small amount of weather intelligence ,BUT, has "NO" common sence how to deal with people. If I had my druthers"I CHOOSE PEOPLE" JFLORIDA is known as a "Non-people person" Must be the overflowing of the color "PINK"


Good, how about you? Enjoying this nice weather we're having for the next couple of hours.

I've had my experience with non-people persons in life and it never was pleasant. Thankfully, i'm not dealing with them any longer.
Quoting Grothar:
Looks like somebody lost their book "How to Win Friends and Influence People" again. Canes, I am going to send you a bumper sticker for your car.

"I would rather be callow than shallow"


ROFL, send it ASAP!
Well the thread was going along prety well.

The ignore feature is NOT Broken.


Lordy,...
caneswatch.Palm Beach county here...I hope the line of storms helped with the brush fires around Cocoa..Maybe JFLORIDA has a solution...I just cleaned of my bumper to make room for my new sticker
Quoting Patrap:
Virgin Galactic signs deal with scientists for space travel

by Melanie Nayer (RSS feed) on Feb 28th 2011 at 11:00AM






While NASA's Discovery made its final frontier into space on Friday, Virgin Galactic was inking its own space deal, this time substituting space tourists for scientists.

Southwest Research Institute, a nonprofit research organization, signed a deal with Virgin Galactic to conduct experiments in suborbital space. Two $200,000 tickets aboard the six-passenger SpaceShipTwo will be handed to Southwest scientists, who will conduct various scientific experiments during the flight.

In a statement obtained by Space.com:

"This agreement signals the enormous scientific potential of the Virgin spaceflight system," Virgin Galactic president and CEO George Whitesides said in a statement. "Science flights will be an important growth area for the company in the years to come, building on the strong commercial success already demonstrated by deposits received from over 400 individuals for Virgin's space experience."

While no date for the commercial space flight has been set, the deal is already generating buzz. The scientist experiments onboard Virgin Galactic hold a value of about $1.6 million.

So, what exactly will the scientists be "experimenting"? The agreement will allow scientists to use SpaceShipTwo as a flying laboratory for experiments in weightlessness, biology, astronomy and climate research, officials said.

Alan Stern, one of the scientists who will be on board the flight, said: "Initially, two of our payload specialists will be flying on Virgin Galactic, conducting biomedical monitoring, atmospheric imaging, and microgravity planetary regolith experiments."

So... kind of like an astronaut? God speed, scientists!

[via Space.com]



Personally I'm excited about the whats developing for the future in space travel, though I doubt you'll find enough courage in me to leave this planet anytime soon, lol
Quoting Patrap:
Well the thread was going along prety well.

The ignore feature is NOT Broken.


Lordy,...


Don't be so callow. LOL
The north south flow of air will speed the melting of the greenland ice cap. The warm moist air flowing north will cause the melting to accelerate to a point that so much freshwater enters the north atlantic that the ocean conveyor belt will shut down.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20427344.80 0-mini-ice-age-took-hold-of-europe-in-months.html
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/02/0902 25132239.htm
The impacts will be global.

http://www.bobkingsley.co.uk/blog/?p=159
http://news.scotsman.com/scitech/Last-Ice-Age-hap pened-in.4351045.jp
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-13 48000/Mammoth-Japanese-scientists-resurrect-extinc t-giant-frozen-DNA-5-years.html
"The Kyoto University researchers are planning an expedition to the Siberian permafrost this summer in search of a flash-frozen specimen still rich in DNA."
http://www.gfy.ku.dk/~www-glac/ngrip/presse_07080 4_eng.html
http://www.terradaily.com/2004/040807175825.lneck lp2.html Apparently the Greenland ice sheet formed very fast.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sciencetoday/ 2010/0121/1224262767023.html
http://www.gizmag.com/mini-ice-age-hit-in-months/ 13489/
"Those who scoffed at the swiftness with which the world was plunged into an ice age in the film The Day After Tomorrow may need to rethink their disbelief with new research showing that such a scenario may not be so far from the truth. A new study reveals that switching off the North Atlantic circulation can force the Northern hemisphere into a mini ‘ice age’ in a matter of months rather than the tens of years indicated by previous research."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34242705/ns/technolog y_and_science-science/
http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-n asa/2004/05mar_arctic/
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Newsroom/view.ph p?id=41518

If the conveyor belt shuts off an ice age/younger dryas is a near certainty.
The worst case scenario is a real life "The Day After Tomorrow"


The THC shutting down would leave the heat in the tropics. The areas that used to be warmed by the THC will get colder. The cold air will collide with the very warm moist air. The storms generated by the colliding air masses will penetrate the stratosphere. The superchilled snowflakes will flash freeze anything the touch. Therefor the ideal gas law is not violated. The storm will bury much of the northern hemisphere with snow. The albedo will stabilize the climate at temperatures not seen since the younger dryas. Since civilization will be devastated by the storm the emission of ghgs will slow. The short lived ground level O3 and black carbon will dissipate in days. The colder oceans will over a longer period absorb much of our CO2. The climate will have stabilized, but at a great cost.
.callow......New vocabulary word of the week...Last week it was "JFLORIDA".I like this one much better...
Quoting nocaneindy:
Man if this qpf comes to be, lots of us are in trouble!



Aw, don't worry. Most of it N of 40N will be snow!
;- )
Quoting PalmBeachWeather:
caneswatch.Palm Beach county here...I hope the line of storms helped with the brush fires around Cocoa..Maybe JFLORIDA has a solution...I just cleaned of my bumper to make room for my new sticker


HAHA, you guys are just making my day even better! I hope it's helping with the dry situation everywhere in Florida.

PBC here too. I'm in Royal Palm Beach, where are you?
caneswatch.....I am in downtown Lake Worth...(one of the few nice places) 100 yards from the Intracoastal...South Palmway
Quoting cat5hurricane:

If you enjoy maps, 2010 sure was a toasty (Figure 1), muggy (Figure 2) one for much of the Eastern US from Florida up through the Carolinas through the Mid-Atlantic states.

These maps below synchronize temperature data directly from the NCDC climate database from weather stations around the US. They even have 1971-2000 climate data maps.

Link

Figure 1:


Figure 2:


I believe it, last summer was very hot, we had many days with temps in the 96 to 98 degree range with 75 to 78 degree dewpoints on top of that. And the Florida sun as you know is the biggest factor of all the makes you feel so hot, even more than heat index does from high temp + dewpoint.

I remember on my trip to central America, when I was in the mountains in Guatemala, we had highs in the low 80's with dew points in the mid 70's, but that sun made it feel like 110. The sun is even much more powerful there than in Florida.

That's also why, no matter what the numbers tell you, it always seems to feel hotter in Florida than northern heat waves. However, northern heat waves are far more dangerous because they slam people who's bodies are not adjusted to the heat.

When it gets to 90 degrees in the deep tropics of Central America, you would swear its 115 to 120, it feels unbearably hot, even a lot worse than Florida when its 90. I was not adjusted to the deep tropics obviously, the native people wouldn't even be sweating much, while I was sweating buckets from doing nothing but walking! lol
Quoting beell:


Aw, don't worry. Most of it N of 40N will be snow!
;- )


Fingers crossed!
Phunny how one guy can rattle so many.

I'll have to observe this phenom some more in Depth.

All in one state too.

Phascinating stuff.

Lunch Update,NOLA

sniff,,I smell GUMBO!
Quoting PalmBeachWeather:
caneswatch.....I am in downtown Lake Worth...(one of the few nice places) 100 yards from the Intracoastal...South Palmway


I know where you are. It's definitely a nice place. Did you happen to catch the street painting festival this weekend?
Quoting JFLORIDA:
I sure don't care about peoples vacation plans or wasting time on social fodder. Especially when others lives and property are threatened.

How callow. Would be embarrassing if the professionals actually still came to the blog part and didn't just read Dr M and leave.


are we sure JFLORIDA isn't just a computer, based on these types of responses? lol
Quoting nocaneindy:


Fingers crossed!


Won't even be a problem.
(till it melts!)
Quoting caneswatch:


I know where you are. It's definitely a nice place. Did you happen to catch the street painting festival this weekend?

I haven't missed one in the last 15 years.....But don't ask me what I saw, "Damn Dave's Last Resort"..BTW.. Not a guy
Quoting PalmBeachWeather:

I haven't missed one in the last 15 years.....But don't ask me what I saw, "Damn Dave's Last Resort"..BTW.. Not a guy


I know.

Second straight year I went to it. Went to the beach first, but the shark action, while fun to watch, took my plans elsewhere.
caneswatch....And you probably know my buddy and neighbor Greg Rice.the little guy
Quoting caneswatch:


I know. Second straight year I went to it. Went to the beach first, but the shark action, while fun to watch, made my plans go elsewhere.


We never get sharks in Ft. Lauderdale. We have underwater signs that read, "This way to West Palm Beach"
Grother.....tell the "NO SHARKS" to the snorklers
Though the recent rain and flooding happening in and around the Louisville Metro area, it could have been a lot worse. ( Not speaking of why the tornado sirens did not function when the N.W.S. issued a tornado warning at 4:31am Tuesday. )


1 March 1997 → Kentucky's wettest calendar day with 10.48 inches of rain at Louisville, and Lexington's wettest March day with 5.56 inches. In addition, an F2 tornado hit near Bugtussle and Gamaliel, an F1 struck outside Hardyville, and F0 tornadoes were seen in Warren County and Washington County, KY.


If you need some rain, you can have all ours for the next month. :(
Quoting beell:


Won't even be a problem.
(till it melts!)

Forecasted highs in the mid to upper 50's in Terra Haute during the expected precipitation aforementioned in the HPC 4-5 day projection will only accelerate melting.

Again, hopefully that rainfall projection backs off.

NOAA Terra Haute 7-Day

NWS Indianapolis: Widespread Significant to Record Flooding in Central Indiana
Quoting PalmBeachWeather:
caneswatch....And you probably know my buddy and neighbor Greg Rice.the little guy


Yes I do, the Hulett guy! That's cool. I've always seen him around and on commercials ever since I was a little guy.
caneswatch....How did you get into weather? Me, My ex was a weather observer in the USAF many years ago. I spent a few years at Eielson AFB, Alaska with him...Brrr, I froze my **** off up there...
caneswatch...And get rid of that Dodge
Quoting JFLORIDA:
In the upper tier states and to the far west it will be runoff too. Into the waterways where its not needed.



Excuse me, but... There is no need to dwell on possible negative impacts. If the snow melt from the Sierra Nevada/Siskiyous did not run off into the rivers to valleys where it can be routed for irrigation and SoCal city water, more of California would be desert, and you'd not likely be able to buy good raisins and prunes, cauliflower and broccoli, strawberries, artichokes, almonds, rice. Just to name (add: more than) a few items produced in CA that need water to grow.
:)

Have a nice day.
59 Patrap .."Shove me into Shallow water, before I get too Deep"..

And I say, "Hey! What's goin' on?"
Quoting PalmBeachWeather:
caneswatch....How did you get into weather? Me, My ex was a weather observer in the USAF many years ago. I spent a few years at Eielson AFB, Alaska with him...Brrr, I froze my **** off up there...


I got into weather when I was 7 during the 1999 hurricane season, when Dennis had the possibility of coming here, Floyd's worst narrowly missed us, and got hit by Irene.

And what do you mean get rid of that Dodge?

I need to run out for a bit before this rain gets here.
hello guys how are ya Have not been on for a while
Didn't see this posted, a few changes a coming this season from the NHC:

PRODUCT CHANGES FOR THE 2011 HURRICANE SEASON
sharks are much like Grothar...............unevolved for thousands of years...
ouch....
sunlinepr- thank you, your article link you put yesterday answered my question as to whom holds the mortgage on the US. China is one of our largest creditors... so I suppose you could say the sainted US government sold out to the Chinese. Sorry, Jedkins, I may love the land I call home but that does not extend to the US government. The US government has hopelessly spent away our future, and someone of your young age should really be concerned about that. We will not be able to pay up all the debt in several American lifetimes.

And now back to the CURRENT topic, enough old news.
Quoting presslord:
sharks are much like Grothar...............unevolved for thousands of years...


And dangerous when provoked. (How you doing,press?)
Quoting Grothar:


And dangerous when provoked. (How you doing,press?)


Wassup buddy?! Hope you're well...
http://www.coaps.fsu.edu/~maue/jra25/global_tempera ture_anomalies_2005.jpg
Quoting presslord:


Wassup buddy?! Hope you're well...


Going good. Family's fine and keeping busy. Getting my charts ready for the hurricane season. Became a great-great-great Uncle the other night. Little girl, 8 lbs 3 oz. If I keep this up, I can probably see 10 living generations in my family. LOL Up to six now. Hope all is well up there. Very dry down here yet. Hope we get an early rainy season.
Quoting Cochise000:
http://www.coaps.fsu.edu/~maue/jra25/global_tempe ra ture_anomalies_2005.jpg


Need to take the space out of the link in the word "temperature" for it to be valid.

Added: I'll just link to it below.

http://www.coaps.fsu.edu/~maue/jra25/global_tempe rature_anomalies_2005.jpg

Further addition: LOL. The heck?!? The link above works fine but the space in "temperature" refuses to go away in the text description. Whatever...



lets just have some of this guys :)

best drink ever made
Quoting Jedkins01:



lets just have some of this guys :)

best drink ever made


In the words of Bones McCoy.....Dammit Jim.Give me one of the Peace drinks
hahahahahaha!!

:)
Quoting PalmBeachWeather:


In the words of Bones McCoy.....Dammit Jim.Give me one of the Peace drinks


hahahaha
Hoping for a few sprinkles here in Palm Beach county.....It is soooo dry. This is our best chance in weeks
Quoting PalmBeachWeather:
Hoping for a few sprinkles here in Palm Beach county.....It is soooo dry. This is our best chance in weeks

Let's hope you're right.

Palm Beach County remains one of the driest counties in the state of Florida.

Link

Its gonna rain in Palm Beach..soon..looks like it anyway
Quoting PalmBeachWeather:
Hoping for a few sprinkles here in Palm Beach county.....It is soooo dry. This is our best chance in weeks

We are hoping for some rain in Ft Myers too. It hasn't rained for at least two weeks. It's very dry and we are seeing brush fires breaking out. Weatherman does not predict much rain even if we get some. :(
Quoting PalmBeachWeather:
Hoping for a few sprinkles here in Palm Beach county.....It is soooo dry. This is our best chance in weeks


True. I heard there'll be more tomorrow as well.
Quoting caneswatch:


True. I heard there'll be more tomorrow as well.



Hiya, Bud. We got a whopping 2/10ths. Not much but, better than a sharp stick in the eye....
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:



LOL. Hi there, folks.
Quoting caneswatch:


True. I heard there'll be more tomorrow as well.


Glen Glazer makes me laugh....And the new traffic girl, No comment

FINDLAY, Ohio -- Residents of a flood-prone Ohio city brightened as the waters crested Tuesday, a day after wicked storms lashed the eastern half of the nation with heavy rain and tornadoes, killing at least four people.

The Blanchard River in Findlay topped out at less than 5 1/2 feet above flood level, city safety director Jim Barker said. That's about a foot lower than during a catastrophic flood four years ago that caused millions of dollars in damage.

The high water was mostly downtown and in a few residential neighborhoods in Findlay, 45 miles south of Toledo. The main street was under 3 feet of water Tuesday morning.

"This doesn't even shock you anymore," said Casey Hensley, manager of a Domino's Pizza store in Findlay. "It makes you mad, but it doesn't shock you."

A woman's body was pulled from her car Tuesday morning after it sank in a swollen tributary of the Huron River in Norwalk, Ohio. In Tennessee, three people were killed when high winds and rain wreaked havoc across the state Monday, uprooting trees and flooding roads.

Read more:
Afternoon all
Global Warming problem solved?

Disclaimer: The views of this article are not nescesarily the views of this blogger.
Quoting tkeith:
Global Warming problem solved?


I posted that yesterday, and Neapolitan had an amusing retort.
Quoting sirmaelstrom:


Need to take the space out of the link in the word "temperature" for it to be valid.

Added: I'll just link to it below.

http://www.coaps.fsu.edu/~maue/jra25/global_tempe rature_anomalies_2005.jpg

Further addition: LOL. The heck?!? The link above works fine but the space in "temperature" refuses to go away in the text description. Whatever...


I couldn't get the space out of "temperature" either. Don't know what was going on.
Quoting HIPPOCRITT:
Dont forget he is an expert with his Art degree



Actually someone asked me specifically about my education - Post yours, Please.

Please lets see it.

I see most of the posts today are this caliber of trash. Just garbage and personal attacks. like the garbage posted last night. (luckily its all baned in season,I wish they would now)

Here is an excerpt:




957. Jedkins01 5:14 AM GMT on March 01, 2011


Quoting Ossqss:

You progressives will not take away our freedom no matter how many contorted lies you tell!



Amen dude, they are all a bunch of sissies anyway. Heck half of them abort babies or engage in activity... Lets just say that doesn't lead to children, LOL


Quoting PSLFLCaneVet:



Hiya, Bud. We got a whopping 2/10ths. Not much but, better than a sharp stick in the eye....


Hi PSL! Always better than nothing.
caneswatch..Getting cloudy and dark......No precip as of yet
YES.....It is raining here
Quoting PalmBeachWeather:
caneswatch..Getting cloudy and dark......No precip as of yet


I had .35"
Quoting PalmBeachWeather:


Glen Glazer makes me laugh....And the new traffic girl, No comment


Glazer is a cool guy. I haven't seen the new traffic girl.
Ummm I think I might prefer the snow to this....

Summary

Please disregard the wind chill warning that was issued earlier due to technical difficulties. Sustained southerly winds of 70 to 100 km/h with peak gusts from 100 to 140 km/h will develop Wednesday morning. This is a warning that potentially damaging winds are expected in these regions. Monitor weather conditions..Listen for updated statements.

Details

An intense Pacific low pressure system will approach the British Columbia south coast overnight and associated with the system will be very strong southerly winds. Sustained speeds of 70 to 100 km/h with gusts of 100 to 140 km/h will develop late Wednesday morning and early afternoon. The highest values will occur over Northern Vancouver island, closest to the low. Winds will first occur as southeasterlies early Wednesday morning as the system approaches. Wind speeds will then increase in the late morning and early afternoon as the direction of the wind veers into the south and southwest. Winds will start to diminish Wednesday evening. Meanwhile, strong outflow winds in combination with cold temperatures will continue to give wind chill values near minus 20 this morning over the north and central coast.
For the record, I think JFLORIDA adds value to the discussions here by providing data and information.

While you're casting aspersions, I recommend you take a long, critical look at your own recent contributions to this blog.


Quoting PalmBeachWeather:
JFLORIDA......How many more years are you going to go on beleiving that someone here actually believes what you say.You just don't get it. I don't give a rat's *** about your education if you have no personality to go with it. So got ahead at put on your Ballet shoes and see who gives a crap
Quoting Orcasystems:

Ummm I think I might prefer the snow to this....
Summary
Please disregard the wind chill warning that was issued earlier due to technical difficulties. Sustained southerly winds of 70 to 100 km/h with peak gusts from 100 to 140 km/h will develop Wednesday morning. This is a warning that potentially damaging winds are expected in these regions. Monitor weather conditions..Listen for updated statements.
Details
An intense Pacific low pressure system will approach the British Columbia south coast overnight and associated with the system will be very strong southerly winds. Sustained speeds of 70 to 100 km/h with gusts of 100 to 140 km/h will develop late Wednesday morning and early afternoon. The highest values will occur over Northern Vancouver island, closest to the low. Winds will first occur as southeasterlies early Wednesday morning as the system approaches. Wind speeds will then increase in the late morning and early afternoon as the direction of the wind veers into the south and southwest. Winds will start to diminish Wednesday evening. Meanwhile, strong outflow winds in combination with cold temperatures will continue to give wind chill values near minus 20 this morning over the north and central coast.



Did you notice how polite they were about it :)

"Please disregard the wind chill warning that was issued earlier due to technical difficulties"
caneswatch......Probably less that 1/10th of an inch...Rain has stopped
Quoting PalmBeachWeather:
JFLORIDA.You rag on me, I rag on you.See who wins


He did, because that's the last post of yours I will see. If you can't be civil...be gone.
Shelby, Ohio is flooded pretty bad..Lots of pics & story here.
Quoting nocaneindy:
Didn't see this posted, a few changes a coming this season from the NHC:

PRODUCT CHANGES FOR THE 2011 HURRICANE SEASON


thats interesting:


1) A reminder that the lead times of tropical cyclone watches and warnings were increased in 2010.

2) The size of the tropical cyclone forecast cone will be adjusted. The cone represents the probable track of the center of a tropical cyclone, and is formed by enclosing the area swept out by a set of imaginary circles placed along the forecast track (at 12, 24, 36 hours, etc.). The size of each circle is set so that two-thirds of historical official forecast errors over the previous five years fall within the circle. The
Please take the dispute to wu mail.

Ya boring the Globe, and violating like 5 rules of the road and 3-4 community standards.
USGS 05389500 Mississippi River at McGregor, IA

PROVISIONAL DATA SUBJECT TO REVISION



During the winter season, real-time discharge and gage height values may be impacted by ice formation and backwater, while precipitation values may be impacted by intermittent snow accumulation and subsequent melting. Use all values as PRELIMINARY ONLY.
Quoting MrMixon:
For the record, I think JFLORIDA adds value to the discussions here by providing data and information.

While you're casting aspersions, I recommend you take a long, critical look at your own recent contributions to this blog.




But look at the way he acts to others when he says they're lying. When you want to discuss something, be civil and don't act like an a-hole.
Please use the site viewing tools as that usually works for most members.

Esp where conflict is to be avoided.


Disputes are fine.

,but monomania is taxing to the other members.

A cold Fresca usually works for me though.



Yes, that's me ruining that nearly prefect record of boring irrelevance~ with havoc & doom (mostly from Ohio).

Think this guy is worried?


MARION -- Rain and melting snow flooded Marion City streets before draining south to overwhelm the Scioto River in two villages hours later.

A thunderstorm that prompted a tornado warning early Monday morning continued until daylight.

Police officers helped to dispatch the calls that overwhelmed the system, as residents woke to the tornado sirens and found their basements flooded.

Several vehicles were carried away in high water and cruisers and squads had a difficult time navigating roads made impassable by the flooding. more.. & there's another slide show)


& is this not the photo of the times?...


A dry tanker carrying a load of flour to General Mills in Martel overturned on Ohio 100, near Marseilles-Galion Road E., when the driver tried to make it through high water and went off the road, according to the Ohio Highway Patrol. The driver was not injured. / Bill Sinden / Marion Star
..."Drive in,itsa Sin"..

Or is it, turn around,dont drown?

U.S. to permit resumption of gulf drilling

U.S. regulators are allowing deep-water drilling permits in the Gulf of Mexico for the first time in almost year, following the BP disaster.
Quoting Patrap:
..."Drive in,itsa Sin"..

Or is it, turn around,dont drown?




Believe it's the latter. Both work. :)

Good lord, Skye. Not good.
Quoting Barefootontherocks:


Excuse me, but... There is no need to dwell on possible negative impacts. If the snow melt from the Sierra Nevada/Siskiyous did not run off into the rivers to valleys where it can be routed for irrigation and SoCal city water, more of California would be desert, and you'd not likely be able to buy good raisins and prunes, cauliflower and broccoli, strawberries, artichokes, almonds, rice. Just to name (add: more than) a few items produced in CA that need water to grow.
:)

Have a nice day.


I think actually they did receive more snow this year in the Sierra Nevada. But If you remember though there also was that warmth at the beginning of jan for the higher elevations. Look like a lot of water stayed up there though:

This is interesting:

DWR announces results of third snow survey of 2010-2011

Department of Water Resources (DWR) hydrologists confirmed that water content in California%u2019s mountain snowpack is well above average. Manual and electronic readings indicate that statewide, water content is 124 percent of normal for the date, and 109 percent of the April 1 seasonal average.


Which actually is a silver lining.

Link to the full report:

DWR Announces Results of Third Snow Survey of 2010-2011 Season -- Press Release...


High winds at Valdez have calmed enough to allow the reopening of the port where Alaska oil is loaded onto tankers. Winds peaked at 95 mph Saturday, forcing the closure. The National Weather Service says harbor winds were 22 mph Monday afternoon, with occasional gusts to 54 mph. A tanker arrived early Monday after the port was temporarily reopened. Coast Guard Chief Petty Officer Destrey Gambol says the port was reclosed shortly before 4 a.m. Monday. It opened again Monday afternoon. During the closure, the Alyeska Pipeline Service Co. continued to receive oil from the 800-mile trans-Alaska oil pipeline into storage tanks. Spokeswoman Michelle Egan says storage is at about 35 percent of the 7.2 million barrel capacity. It normally is 8.7 million barrels, but some tanks are out of service.
I was in a wind storm in the spring in anchorage that got up to about 100 with gusts over at times. The electric lines start to touch other stuff at those speeds and there was heavy cosmetic damage, and no power. The water in the toilets froze - I think around 20 or 25 was the indoor temp we got to. The worst part was that the cold after froze interior pipes and with no heat resulted in several floods when the heat returned.

Big expensive mess.

While reading some of verbal jousting today. I stumbled across tit for a tat and game theory. Good reading for all combatants. Google it. promised to give my copy and paste skills a break after the other day.
WunderBlogs - Dr. Masters' Blog Content Rules

Tips

Do not enter games of oneupmanship with trolls or bloggers you find to be annoying. You will be banned along side them, as your verbal jousts consume the space and time everyone else is sharing. If you come across a troll or another blogger whom you find to be irritating, please use the site reporting tools and your ignore list.


A STORM SYSTEM CONTINUES TO DEVELOP THIS AFTERNOON ABOUT 400 MILES
WSW OF SAN FRANCISCO. THIS SYSTEM IS EXPECTED TO MOVE TOWARD THE
ENE THIS EVENING INITIALLY SPREADING JUST LIGHT RAIN ACROSS THE SAN
FRANCISCO BAY REGION LATER THIS EVENING. THE MAIN FRONTAL PASSAGE IS
EXPECTED BETWEEN MIDNIGHT TONIGHT AND 6 AM WEDNESDAY MORNING. WITH
THIS FRONT WILL BE STRONG SOUTHERLY WINDS WHICH COULD ENHANCE
RAINFALL ACCUMULATIONS IN FAVORED LOCATIONS. OF PRIMARY CONCERN IS
THAT THIS STORM SYSTEM CONTAINS SIGNIFICANT MOISTURE AND HAS THE
POTENTIAL FOR PRODUCING LOCALLY HEAVY RAIN...EXPECIALLY OVER THE
COASTAL RANGES FROM SONOMA COUNTY DOWN TO THE SANTA CRUZ MOUNTAINS. ONE TO TWO INCHES OF RAIN IS LIKELY IN THE HILLS BY DAYBREAK ON WEDNESDAY WITH SOME MODELS INDICATING THE POTENTIAL FOR HIGHER
AMOUNTS. FLOOD ADVISORIES ARE EXPECTED DURING THE OVERNIGHT HOURS
FOR PONDING OF ROADWAYS AND LOCAL FLOODING OF LOW LYING AREAS. ALSO
BEING WATCHED WILL BE THE POTENTIAL FOR LOCALIZED FLASH FLOOD
POTENTIAL IN HEAVIER RAINFALL.

nice little system flyin on in
Dont be gun shy gordy that happens. Besides it gave then somethign to complain about besides me. lol.

_________________________________________________ ____________

Tit for tat

is an English saying meaning "equivalent retaliation".

This strategy is dependent on four conditions, which have allowed it to become the most successful strategy for the iterated prisoner's dilemma:[1]

1. Unless provoked, the agent will always cooperate
2. If provoked, the agent will retaliate
3. The agent is quick to forgive
4. The agent must have a good chance of competing against the opponent more than once.

Prisoner's dilemma

is a fundamental problem in game theory that demonstrates why two people might not cooperate even if it is in both their best interests to do so.

He used this to show a possible mechanism for the evolution of altruistic behaviour from mechanisms that are initially purely selfish, by natural selection.

in fact many examples in human interaction as well as interactions in nature that have the same payoff matrix. The prisoner's dilemma is therefore of interest to the social sciences such as economics, politics and sociology, as well as to the biological sciences such as ethology and evolutionary biology. Many natural processes have been abstracted into models in which living beings are engaged in endless games of prisoner's dilemma. This wide applicability of the PD gives the game its substantial importance.


_________________________________________________ ____________

A lot of it is approached intuitively here, although we have some very crude argumentative models utilized against more complex ones routinely - very interesting. Outcome too is gaged differently - from a motivational perspective. For some its personal popularity or populist, others its validity or a combination of both.

Thanks Gordy - worth reading more on. BTW Use Chrome to edit if posts become unruly.


154 verbal jousts consume the space and time everyone else is sharing. I really like that, especially in emergency situations where someone needs information. But other than that you should bring something of value to the table each post. Ill make corrections.
"The center does not hold..."
Anyone see a seal around here?
Post # 156--Does a storm like that on the west coast have a specific name, like a nor'easter or a clipper? Or does it have some other name?

TIA

I guess there is potential for too much of a good thing. It seems like in 2005 there was some flooding at Yosemite from too much sierra nevada precip.

Hmmmmm.......
http://www.stairwaypress.com/bookstore/bw-version-s laying-the-sky-dragon-death-of-the-greenhouse-gas- theory/

A great new book, which I am sure will go mostly unread by the posters on this blog.
there are a few strong storms popping over interior Florida, farmers rejoice
http://www.salem-news.com/articles/february042011/g lobal-superstorms-ta.php Another theory about superstorms and climate. I think the superstorm will be caused by global warming though.
http://www.wunderground.com/blog/HurricaneKatrina /show.html I have been accumulating evidence on my blog.
Quoting NHCaddict:
Post # 156--Does a storm like that on the west coast have a specific name, like a nor'easter or a clipper? Or does it have some other name?

TIA



Since no one else seems to be answering this - Ive heard these used at times, probably mostly incorrectly : Pineapple express, Chinook wind, Arctic air mass

But basically they are Pacific Extratropical cyclones.
Being anti environmental isn't funny after the gulf spill. It just tasteless and ignorant considering the damage done. Its like joking about a hurricane's aftermath.
West Palm Beach set a new record high today of 88.
Quoting Cochise000:
http://www.stairwaypress.com/bookstore/bw-version -s laying-the-sky-dragon-death-of-the-greenhouse-gas- theory/

A great new book, which I am sure will go mostly unread by the posters on this blog.

You seem to have a difficult time with links. Here, let me help:

http://www.stairwaypress.com/bookstore/bw-version -slaying-the-sky-dragon-death-of-the-greenhouse-ga s-theory/

And, no, I won't read yet another anti-science screed thrown together by a bunch of oil industry flacks. I might if I had the time, but there is so much actual peer-reviewed science out there that I simply can't scrape together even a few minutes to wade through such a likely very poor piece of standard denialist fiction.
Id like to be able to say the same for those in the AMERICAN owned seafood industry. Really but its still a mess out there. And mainly because no one took environmental concerns seriously.

Do you know if the situations that lead to that disaster have been examined and corrected? Perhaps you could post links to it for us all.
the gulf needs a good flush a couple hurrricanes could do that
Quoting JFLORIDA:


Since no one else seems to be answering this - Ive heard these used at times, probably mostly incorrectly : Pineapple express, Chinook wind, Arctic air mass

But basically they are Pacific Extratropical cyclones.


Locally, its called the Pineapple express.. and we get them way to often.

They are also called a Atmospheric river

And tonight's is not going to be any fun at all....

Sustained southerly winds of 70 to 100 km/h with peak gusts from 100 to 140 km/h will develop Wednesday morning. This is a warning that potentially damaging winds are expected in these regions. Monitor weather conditions..Listen for updated statements.
OHIO its your turn
Thanks for the answer to my questions:) Pineapple Express is my favorite, although I don't think I'd like to have the weather that goes along with it. Stay safe!

Quoting NavarreMark:


It did take a hit for awhile. The worst was the perception folks had from the oil soaked pelicans they kept showing on the news. People stayed away.

I think we'll have a good summer this year. The fishing is better than ever, and the beaches are clean. The Red Snapper & Grouper ban is whats hurting the seafood industry the most. The charter captains need the business. The shrimpers are back to work. Not to mention the spring breakers who are now arriving in force.

I refuse to eat Gulf seafood until the majority of the oil is accounted for. It hasn't been, and I'm not taking the word of BP that is has.

And I disagree with the statement that "The Red Snapper & Grouper ban is whats hurting the seafood industry the most." No, the hundreds of millions of gallons of crude pumped into the gulf are what's hurting the seafood industry the most. BP and some in government will try to tell you otherwise, but only a fool believes that.
Quoting NavarreMark:


Is the season open?
Unfortunatly, only when they scare the fish away....I wonder what seal taste like, red meat???? prolly good on the grill...
Quoting Neapolitan:

Even better news:

1) BP owns a 46.5% share of the new Noble well that was just permitted ;

2) Judge Carl Barbier, the judge who refused to recuse himself from overseeing BP settlement claims due to his close and complex financial ties to that company and others in the industry, has been asked to dismiss many of the claims.

Same as it ever was...


The funny part about this..and granted its not funny.. You have half the population demanding the Drilling start again, for the jobs, money, low priced gas.. the other half saying it should never happen again.

AND when it happens again..and it will.. you will all blame one person, as though he is personally responsible for the whole thing.

On Approach






After a very cloudy day at Forest of Dean, Gloucestershire, England, the skies cleared to allow a view of this stunning pass of the ISS and Discovery on Feb. 26, 2011. Photographer Rob Cullen, who captured this breath-taking view of the shuttle Discovery and the space station, said, "I could not believe the timing was so fortuitous to show the shuttle closing in on the station. I captured this, what I guess could potentially be, a once in a lifetime image of these two spaceships traveling as separate craft using Canon EOS 40D using eyepiece projection through a hand guided 8.5 inch Newton."

Image Credit: Rob Bullen (Used by permission)
Quoting Orcasystems:


The funny part about this..and granted its not funny.. You have half the population demanding the Drilling start again, for the jobs, money, low priced gas.. the other half saying it should never happen again.

AND when it happens again..and it will.. you will all blame one person, as though he is personally responsible for the whole thing.


I never blamed any one person for DH; it all happened due to a lot of negligence and malfeasance by a number of people. However, there are pivotal and defining moments during any crisis where a single action or word by a single person can turn things one way or the other. When those moments happen--as they have here, as they always will--it's only fair to heap praise on a good decision--and scorn on a horrible one.

An oil-industry affiliated judge being as to dismiss tons of lawsuits against an oil industry titan presents just one such moment. How will history remember Barbier?
Same as it ever was, indeed...

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." -George Santayana

And since everyone seems to enjoy their own version of the past (and the present, for that matter), I'm guessing we're not making much progress as a society on that whole avoiding-past-mistakes thing.


Quoting Orcasystems:


The funny part about this..and granted its not funny.. You have half the population demanding the Drilling start again, for the jobs, money, low priced gas.. the other half saying it should never happen again.

AND when it happens again..and it will.. you will all blame one person, as though he is personally responsible for the whole thing.

How will history treat Bieber?
Neo, Patrap, JFL, etc do you AGW guys drive a car? Certainly someone who cared so much to extinguish bad emissions would be a good example to others and not drive gas lugging cars.
I built refineries and worked offshore for Chevron on Hercules-21 in the GOM outta Venice,La,,so you can ditch the broad brush.



I bicycle Uptown and use the streetcar a lot,,and drive a 4 cyl when I have to.

I stay Fit and flip off a lotta cars though.

A win win.
Quoting WeatherWx:
Neo, Patrap, JFL, etc do you AGW guys drive a car? Certainly someone who cared so much to extinguish bad emissions would be a good example to others and not drive gas lugging cars.

I've answered this question about a hundred times here (I ride a bike when and where possible; I carpool; I use public transportation, etc.) but doing so seems to only feed into some convoluted and senseless logic that says if you drive a car, you're a hypocrite, and since you're a hypocrite, AGW is a hoax. So, forgive me while I almost entirely ignore your question.

Silly, silly denialists... ;-)
Whoa, now. Carbon monoxide doesn't taste like anything and it kills people all the time. Obviously, I'm not saying there is carbon monoxide in your fish - the point is that just because your fish tastes fine doesn't mean it is healthy for you. The human body does a surprisingly good job of warning us about potential toxins, but it's not infallible and it cannot detect all toxins. Do yourself and your family a favor and have at least one or two of those fish analyzed for likely contaminants. Or maybe look for a study that's already been done on fish in your area.

Companies pay big bucks to companies like mine to have fish tested for toxins precisely because of what you just said. People eat the fish and say "hey, it tastes fine" when, in fact, the fish are slowly killing the people eating them. Ultimately, our clients could be held liable for that, so they shell out the cash to test any fish their operations may have impacted... sometimes it's fine, and sometimes it's not.

But the labs we send the samples to don't do taste tests... they do extensive chemical analyses on the fish tissue because that's the only way to know, for sure, what you're eating.



Quoting NavarreMark:


The seafood is fine. Catch it fresh all the time and it tastes great.
seems to only feed into some convoluted and senseless logic that says if you drive a car, you're a hypocrite, and since you're a hypocrite, AGW is a hoax.

Broad blanket statement isn't that Neo? Of course if someone is a hypocrite, doesn't necessarily make a matter false.
193. flsky
Quoting MrMixon:
Same as it ever was, indeed...

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." -George Santayana

And since everyone seems to enjoy their own version of the past (and the present, for that matter), I'm guessing we're not making much progress as a society on that whole avoiding-past-mistakes thing.



Wow, I wholeheartedly agree with this! I meet so many people who have no interest whatsoever in history - many members of my own family included. Mistakes just get repeated over and over again. Sheesh.
Quoting WeatherWx:
seems to only feed into some convoluted and senseless logic that says if you drive a car, you're a hypocrite, and since you're a hypocrite, AGW is a hoax.

Broad blanket statement isn't that Neo?

Yes, intentionally and deservedly so.
If you drive a gas lugging car at any time, while at the same time saying that cars are polluting the environment and helping cause AGW, you are a hypocrite. Plain and simple. If humanity is in peril the way that AGW dictates, I would think a person who was exceptionally concerned of it, would do his/her part in battling AGW.
Quoting WeatherWx:
seems to only feed into some convoluted and senseless logic that says if you drive a car, you're a hypocrite, and since you're a hypocrite, AGW is a hoax.

Broad blanket statement isn't that Neo? Of course if someone is a hypocrite, doesn't necessarily make a matter false.


You made a false statement Neo, but hey, I guess its ok, when it's convenient. You condemn people for lying(ie: about AGW) and yet you do it yourself! Hypocrisy.
Quoting Neapolitan:

I've answered this question about a hundred times here (I ride a bike when and where possible; I carpool; I use public transportation, etc.) but doing so seems to only feed into some convoluted and senseless logic that says if you drive a car, you're a hypocrite, and since you're a hypocrite, AGW is a hoax. So, forgive me while I almost entirely ignore your question.

Silly, silly denialists... ;-)


Basically we are just getting through the science -

So I don't allow my driving and FF use to dictate the truth. Its absurd that there are those that do.

Ive rode a bike and used public transport whenever possible.

But ad hominem is ad hominem out of the gate. It doesn't matter its invalid and incorrect. Wx cant make a valid argument so he has to resort to invalid reasoning - which considering the posts earlier probably works for some, but when actually considering the person reference in argument, no one I would ever want to agree with. Right?!?

since you're a hypocrite, AGW is a hoax.

Or more importantly:

if you believe in Atmospheric science and drive you are hypocrite


Non sequitur - (Latin for "it does not follow"), in formal logic, is an argument in which its conclusion does not follow from its premises.

When you don't preen a community to reasonable standards thats the kind of ignorance that prevails. no need to abbreviate or quote it except as a reference for poor technique and invalidity.
Hummm, same thing different day here...once upon a lifetime, it was better though




Eleventh Annual Weblog Awards
Quoting Orcasystems:


Locally, its called the Pineapple express.. and we get them way to often.

They are also called a Atmospheric river

And tonight's is not going to be any fun at all....

Sustained southerly winds of 70 to 100 km/h with peak gusts from 100 to 140 km/h will develop Wednesday morning. This is a warning that potentially damaging winds are expected in these regions. Monitor weather conditions..Listen for updated statements.

The pineapple express is a great thing down here in southern california. When a storm well established with the tropical connection hits us it usually gives us a much more milder weather event temp and wind wise. Rain wise we typically get much more rain from these events, but that's a good hung because southern California needs the water.
If global warming is going to end the world in a few years anyone who really believes that should not drive,use any kind of heat in your house,warm water ,or any electric what so ever.Also should not own cows or work at any place that uses electric or gas.National geograpic says it would be ok for a nuke to go off.Would greatly cool the earth.Will just be a matter of time until enviromentalist call for nuclear explosions after all it is now backed up by your science.
Neo excuses himself when he makes a non-sequitur, but when a skeptic makes one, he's all over him. Hypocrite.
Quoting help4u:
If global warming is going to end the world in a few years anyone who really believes that should not drive,use any kind of heat in your house,warm water ,or any electric what so ever.Also should not own cows or work at any place that uses electric or gas.National geograpic says it would be ok for a nuke to go off.Would greatly cool the earth.Will just be a matter of time until enviromentalist call for nuclear explosions after all it is now backed up by your science.


Really who said this and why?

Thats not even a argument for the science - its a political argument to dictate science.

So you don't believe in atmospheric science because if you do you think it will mean you cant use energy?

Lol - no its not like that.
Quoting WeatherWx:
Neo excuses himself when he makes a non-sequitur, but if a skeptic made one, he's all over him.

I'm tempted to bite and ask you to which "non-sequitur" you're referring, but I think it'll be better for the board if I instead simply ignore you. But please come back when you've serious science to discuss, and I'll be here for you. I promise... ;-)
Well sorry to inform the dissenting panel, but the Bus with the Science on the Warming and its forcing and causation left the Terminal a Decade ago.


Maybe ask the author here How that came to be.

He usually answers wu-mails if the Poster attempts one.
we will discus that later.
Quoting WeatherWx:
If you drive a gas lugging car at any time, while at the same time saying that cars are polluting the environment and helping cause AGW, you are a hypocrite. Plain and simple. If humanity is in peril the way that AGW dictates, I would think a person who was exceptionally concerned of it, would do his/her part in battling AGW.

Ah, but see you are wrong. First, let's explore how by defining hypocrite.

Hypocrite
1 : a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion
2 : a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings

Now neopolitan, Jflorida, pat, myself, etc all claim cars, and other things which use fossil fuels, are contributing to the warmth of our planet.

We also drive cars and pollute the earth like any other human being. BUT where is the contradiction?

It would only be a contradiction if we said we must stop driving cars now because they are causing warming. But no one ever said this. We said cars are bad for the environment.
Quoting help4u:
If global warming is going to end the world in a few years anyone who really believes that should not drive,use any kind of heat in your house,warm water ,or any electric what so ever.Also should not own cows or work at any place that uses electric or gas.National geograpic says it would be ok for a nuke to go off.Would greatly cool the earth.Will just be a matter of time until enviromentalist call for nuclear explosions after all it is now backed up by your science.


I'll promise not to own any cows.
I see the same mistake on this blog over and over... people are arguing about four totally separate issues, but they conflate them into one. Here are the four issues I commonly see debated as a single issue:

1) the climate is/is not warming/changing
2) the warming (if any) is/is not influenced by humans
3) the warming (if any) will cause X, Y, and/or Z
4) we should/should not do X, Y, and/or Z about it.

Just because people might agree on #1 doesn't mean they'll agree on #2. And just because some (the AGW crowd) agree on #1 and #2, doesn't mean they will agree on #3 or #4.

The accusations of hypocrisy ring hollow because most of the debates I've seen by the AGW crowd focus mainly on points 1, 2 and sometimes 3. The conversation rarely touches on point 4 and, unless it does, the alleged hypocrisy of the AGW supporters (in terms of their driving habits) isn't up for debate.


Quoting WeatherWx:
If you drive a gas lugging car at any time, while at the same time saying that cars are polluting the environment and helping cause AGW, you are a hypocrite. Plain and simple. If humanity is in peril the way that AGW dictates, I would think a person who was exceptionally concerned of it, would do his/her part in battling AGW.
Quoting TomTaylor:

Ah, but see you are wrong. First, let's explore how by defining hypocrite.

Hypocrite
1 : a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion
2 : a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings

Now neopolitan, Jflorida, pat, myself, etc all claim cars, and other things which use fossil fuels, are contributing to the warmth of our planet.

We also drive cars and pollute the earth like any other human being. BUT where is the contradiction?

It would only be a contradiction if we said we must stop driving cars now because they are causing warming. But no one ever said this. We said cars are bad for the environment.


Very silly logic Tom.

perhaps you should reread part 1 of the definition:

"a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion"

You conveniently focus on definition #2 to make your faulty statement. Driving a car while believing that driving cars is causing AGW is putting on a false appearance of virtue. Therefore you and other such AGW believers are hypocrites.

I don't drive unless I need to. Rarely actually. I use as little energy as possible but that has nothing to do with communal agreements that dictate larger primary sources of energy, agreements for standardization of sources or the science in general.

since you're a hypocrite, AGW is a hoax.

Or more importantly:

if you believe in Atmospheric science and/or use energy and drive you are hypocrite


Doesn't really work on an environmental or scientific level.

Not argumentatively but is in effect is the source of much of the denial.

209 its also has the element of the slippery slope "they want to put is in the stone age" somehow by moving towards clean energy. It is partially non sequitur

All formal fallacies are special cases of non sequitur
Some recent obs for ya from the last week, on a lighter note from FL. They tell me we have moved seasons.

Maples have dropped all the seed pods

Oaks are sprouting their pipe cleaners

First mole cricket appearances

Mosquito's have started becoming a pain again

Robin's are flocking North as of today

Orange blossoms are in full aromatic swing

Most trees are nearly back to normal

Oil closed just under $100/barrel

Gas averages $3.38/gallon

Bad news is that Beer prices have gone up nearly 10% in the last week :(



Quoting WeatherWx:
If you drive a gas lugging car at any time, while at the same time saying that cars are polluting the environment and helping cause AGW, you are a hypocrite. Plain and simple. If humanity is in peril the way that AGW dictates, I would think a person who was exceptionally concerned of it, would do his/her part in battling AGW.
my Muscle Car is a hybrid, it burns Gas and Tires...
Quoting WeatherWx:


Very silly logic Tom.

perhaps you should reread part 1 of the definition:

"a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion"

You conveniently focus on definition #2 to make your faulty statement. Driving a car while believing that driving cars is bad for the environment is putting on a false appearance of virtue. Therefore you and other such AGW believers are hypocrites.


Wait so you don't know that cars are bad for the environment?

You make it sound as though only those who understand man made global warming believe cars are bad for the environment and are therefore hypocrites. Yet unless you are mentally incapable, you would also know that cars are bad for the environment. Knowing cars are bad for the environment has nothing to do with your beliefs in global warming. It's common sense.

So which are you? Mentally incapable? Or a hypocrite like the rest of us?
Quoting WeatherWx:



Very silly logic Tom.

perhaps you should reread part 1 of the definition:

"a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion"

You conveniently focus on definition #2 to make your faulty statement. Driving a car while believing that driving cars is causing AGW is putting on a false appearance of virtue. Therefore you and other such AGW believers are hypocrites.





You sure know how to play around words to excuse yourself Tom. And Neo sure knows how to hide behind non sequiturs.
Quoting WeatherWx:


You sure know how to play around words to excuse yourself Tom.

You sure like to quote yourself.

I responded to you by the way. Please tell me which person you are.
Im not going to waste any more time this eve, debating with a bunch of AGW hypocrites and those same bloggers who hide behind word games to defend their AGW religion. Good night.
putting on a false appearance of virtue. Therefore you and other such AGW believers are hypocrites.




Yet one you are unable to prove false via logical argument? Right??

Also :

appearance of virtue.

1
a : conformity to a standard of right : morality b : a particular moral excellence
2
plural : an order of angels %u2014 see celestial hierarchy
3
: a beneficial quality or power of a thing
4
: manly strength or courage : valor
5
: a commendable quality or trait : merit
6
: a capacity to act : potency
7
: chastity especially in a woman


Since the denial arguments are primarily concerned with issues concerning mortality id say thats projection.

Al Gore, "climate gate", the global conspiracy, cap an trade issues, euthanasia (weirdly). Its a fixation no less.
That's like saying if you drive a car that uses any gasoline from the mid-east that you are supporting Osama bin Laden.

Quoting WeatherWx:
If you drive a gas lugging car at any time, while at the same time saying that cars are polluting the environment and helping cause AGW, you are a hypocrite. Plain and simple. If humanity is in peril the way that AGW dictates, I would think a person who was exceptionally concerned of it, would do his/her part in battling AGW.
Quoting WeatherWx:
Im not going to waste any more time this eve, debating with a bunch of AGW hypocrites and those same bloggers who hide behind word games to defend their AGW religion. Good night.


K you run away now. Admitting cars are bad for the environment is just too much for you?

Sorry to hear.
Mixon is correct. Carbon monoxide is odorless and tasteless.
Quoting weatherboy1992:
Mixon is correct. Carbon monoxide is odorless and tasteless.

It's also toxic
Quoting Orcasystems:


The funny part about this..and granted its not funny.. You have half the population demanding the Drilling start again, for the jobs, money, low priced gas.. the other half saying it should never happen again.

AND when it happens again..and it will.. you will all blame one person, as though he is personally responsible for the whole thing.



Santa Claus? The Easter Bunny? Is there a poll or something we can vote on?

It was a combination of factors. But that won't stop pundits and news channels from trying to play pin-the-tail-on-the-scapegoat.

Anyway for the morality and virtue arguments, specifically:

putting on a false appearance of virtue.

Psychological projection or projection bias is a psychological defense mechanism where a person unconsciously denies his or her own attributes, thoughts, and emotions, which are then ascribed to the outside world, such as to other people. Thus, projection involves imagining or projecting the belief that others have those feelings.

And from there you can go all the way back to ideology and motivation. Why I stick to the reasonable science incidentally in argument, logical argument almost exclusively by choice, or eventual navigation. You'll never go astray or look foolish (for too long) arguing a reasoned consensus.
CO's lack of odor and taste is part of why CO is so dangerous.
Quoting Ossqss:
Some recent obs for ya from the last week, on a lighter note from FL. They tell me we have moved seasons.

Maples have dropped all the seed pods

Oaks are sprouting their pipe cleaners

First mole cricket appearances

Mosquito's have started becoming a pain again




Another one (TX, not FL):

Sparrows have discovered a hole at the bottom of my electric meter box, built a nest, and are raising babies in it. They were mucho unhappy when the lawnmower was out there today.
Move on, there is nothing of interest here.
Quoting weatherboy1992:


Excuse me? I said carbon monoxide is odorless and tasteless. I didn't say anything about its toxicity.

CO's lack of odor and taste is part of why CO is so dangerous.

I thought you were weatherwx.

Edited my post
Whip-poor-wills are back tonight - or more likely the Chuck-will's-widow



Dont read this if you like them.
Understood.

Quoting TomTaylor:

I thought you were weatherwx.

Edited my post
CO is FDA approved as a spoilage retardant in red meat and fish.
I'm looking forward to tracking some promising storms this season.That's all I'm gonna say for now,becuase I'm coming down with a bad cold.Good night everyone.
Looks like a pineapple express setting up maybe, northwest could see some flooding. just saying.
Forget drowned islands, mass extinction, a billion climate refugees, waves of famine, the overthrow and radicalization of governments in nuclear states, food wars...
...This is SERIOUS!!! We may be seeing the last of the Bordeaux.
239. flsky
Watching some very interesting shows on TV tonight - "60 Minutes on CNBC." Just showed an hour of what happens to garbage. The strides we are making in the US and some horrible problems that are developing in China are amazing. We've got a long way to go here, but we're light years ahead of developing countries.
Quoting aspectre:
Forget drowned islands, mass extinction, a billion climate refugees, waves of famine, the overthrow and radicalization of governments in nuclear states, food wars...
...This is SERIOUS!!! We may be seeing the last of the Bordeaux.

Say it ain't so. : (
Only cuz we're generating most of our garbage over there, as well as shipping a large portion of our garbage over there for recycling and disposal.
WTO's FairTrade: export pollution and jobs, import cheaper new garbage along with unemployment&underemployment. And throw millions farmers out of work over there by subsidizing highly polluting&wasteful*farming practices over here.

* The average FirstWorld cow receives more in government subsidies per year than the average yearly per capita income of the poorest 2billion or so people.

Quoting weatherboy1992:
?


Link
It just seems like we here are light years ahead.
Our lofty dream of solar is poisoning China.

A dark side of solar power


"The growth of the solar power industry is poisoning land in China, according to the Washington Post.

Polysilicon, which is widely used to make solar panels, is in short supply. In the rush to make it cheaply, a Chinese company reportedly is dumping toxic waste into the ground, killing wildlife and endangering human health.

The newspaper describes green fields in the nation's eastern central Henan Province that have turned snow white from the powdery waste of silicon tetrachloride, four tons of which result from every ton of polysilicon created. Toxic hydrogen chloride gas and acids waft from the waste.

The waste is allegedly coming from Chinese polysilicon maker Luoyang Zhonggui High-Technology, a supplier of rising solar power star Suntech Power, according to the Washington Post.

"In China, polysilicon plants are the new dot-coms," writes Ariana Eunjung Cha, reporting that new factories there are set to produce more than twice the amount of polysilicon as is currently manufactured in the world. Silicon tetrachloride can be recycled. But manufacturers reportedly can make polysilicon about two-thirds more cheaply if they ignore environmental protections."

Read more: http://news.cnet.com/8301-11128_3-9889848-54.html# ixzz1FP7O66K3

Link
Never mind, reading it. From that and other things I've read in past few minutes, CO isn't used as a spoilage prevention agent. It cosmetically alters meat to keep it pink or red.
we got flooding here with the big rain storm in the northeast
Quoting weatherboy1992:
page not found.


fixed
Quoting weatherboy1992:
Never mind, reading it. From that and other things I've read in past few minutes, CO isn't used as a spoilage prevention agent. It cosmetically alters meat to keep it pink or red.


You're right, technically, it's not. But it is approved for the uses you mention. Point is, most people are eating it and prob. don't know it.
Quoting TomTaylor:

... We said cars are bad for the environment.


Then why are you destroying the environment?

If you are convinced that you are destroying the environment you had a moral duty to stop it.

My solar panels are overproducing and are looking to pay out in 18 years now BTW.

The high carbon footprint folks who say carbon is bad for the environment have NO credibility and please stop talking about global warming since if you don't walk the talk nobody is going to believe you.

What is your carbon footprint and what are you doing to reduce it?

You planet destroyer you.

Good night.
That's yucky. I'm gonna check and see if that process is on labels next time I shop.

Quoting DontAnnoyMe:


You're right, technically, it's not. But it is approved for the uses you mention. Point is, most people are eating it and prob. don't know it.
That made me look into how flour is bleached. Chlorine dioxide, yum!
Quoting weatherboy1992:
That made me look into how flour is bleached. Chlorine dioxide, yum!


Don't look at these 40 pages.
Well, I certainly wouldn't recommend giving up on eating altogether... but I suppose you thought it was cute to take it there. Everybody has different types & levels of risk that they'll accept. No worries.

But I've got some bad news for you, my company or one like it has already gotten some of your money, indirectly.

Every single large commercial company in this country has spent money on environmental assessment, whether it was a Phase I requirement for commercial property changing hands, a cleanup after a major spill, or an environmental impact assessment prior to a major development. Almost every consumable thing you spend money on has at least some amount of cost wrapped up (usually a small percentage) in environmental assessment. Don't worry though, except for maybe a few folks at the top of the largest companies, most of us working stiffs never get rich off of it.

You might not think it's necessary, but the law requires it and that's probably because most people like knowing they have clean water, air, and food.


Quoting NavarreMark:


Who am I to believe Mr. Mixon?

You or my lying eyes and tastebuds?

Its good that you've been able to make a buck off of the situation. More power to ya. Your not gonna get mine though.

If we believed everything were told, we wouldn't eat anything, and we would all starve.

Dear Lord:

Over the lips and through the gums, look out belly, here it comes.
Something you don't get to see everyday, and probably will not be able to ever again. Amazing visual :)

Passage of the International Space Station and Discovery 30 minutes before docking, taken on February 26th 2011 at 18:40UT from the area of Weimar, Germany

Additionally, Sol has backed down for now to the thankful benefit of our folks up in space!



Quoting EnergyMoron:


Then why are you destroying the environment?

If you are convinced that you are destroying the environment you had a moral duty to stop it.

My solar panels are overproducing and are looking to pay out in 18 years now BTW.

The high carbon footprint folks who say carbon is bad for the environment have NO credibility and please stop talking about global warming since if you don't walk the talk nobody is going to believe you.

What is your carbon footprint and what are you doing to reduce it?

You planet destroyer you.

Good night.

You don't drive a car? good for you.

And it's not really an option for me, I don't live on my own, I am only 16, bro
Quoting TomTaylor:

You don't drive a car? good for you.

And it's not really an option for me, I don't live on my own, I am only 16, bro


Just remember most of what is said on this blog when it comes to personal stuff of any nature may or may not be true. I think a good deal of what people say about themselves is not the truth.
I'm sure those chemicals are more ominous than they sound (aren't they?) but benzene and chloroform were a surprise!
Quoting DontAnnoyMe:


Don't look at these 40 pages.


And that's just additives; I don't think it includes what can be used for food processing/packaging.
Quoting DontAnnoyMe:


And that's just additives; I don't think it includes what can be used for food processing/packaging.


Yeah, actually it may.

The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) prohibits the use of benzene in foods.

Effective April 1988, FDA mandated that benzene can only be an indirect food additive in adhesives used for food packaging.
Quoting twincomanche:


Hmm, what's a indirect additive?


As it says, as part of the packaging material - which can be in contact with the food itself.
Quoting DontAnnoyMe:


As it says, as part of the packaging material - which can be in contact with the food itself.


I get it. So it's just on the food not in the food.
Quoting twincomanche:


I get it. So it's just on the food not in the food.


Yeah. Thanks a bunch, FDA.
Quoting DontAnnoyMe:


Yeah. Thanks a bunch, FDA.

That's our government at work.
Spring has sprung on cue...my yard is green, two invests in the W PAc, none in the S Hem.. & what's this purple?..



Happy (meteorological) spring WeatherUnderground!
At least the FDA puts it out there. I bet the Russians and Chinese don't.
270. flsky
Has anyone heard of the "Bloom Box?" Invented by a NASA scientist who was working on energy sources for a Mars mission before it was scrapped. Google and Ebay are two major companies currently using it. Apparently, a Bloom Box the size of an oversize shoebox could provide energy for a typical household, at a much reduced price over what is now realized. Comments anyone??
272. flsky
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:



Well, that look severe! Scientific interpretation anyone?
Quoting Skyepony:
Spring has sprung on cue...my yard is green, two invests in the W PAc, none in the S Hem.. & what's this purple?..



Happy (meteorological) spring WeatherUnderground!
our eastern pacific lighting up expect activity too come early in that basin this season maybe sst's have been improving nicly in the regions there the cool pool been warming
Quoting flsky:

Well, that look severe! Scientific interpretation anyone?
shes flaring
Hey, just checking in on the first official day of spring. Glad I made it! We had a nice rain here in ECFL this morning and would like to get some more. Temps dropped a few degrees today and it was really a nice one.
Glad you are all keeping tabs on environmental hazards, including those that are in what we eat! I've discovered the farmer's market on Saturday mornings here where folks are selling gorgeous green veggies that are grown without pesticides. I don't think they'll have as good luck here in warmer weather though. I've never seen as many bugs anywhere as we have here in Florida!
Goodnight, sleep tight and don't let the bedbugs bite!
The GFS continues to promote downward motion of the MJO stay primarily confined over the equatorial Pacific, an indicative sign of La Niña conditions. The reasoning behind this is that, downward motion of the MJO propagates to where cool SSTs are located, hence why the downward motion is located mainly over the equatorial Pacific (where the La Niña is present) and not over the MDR (where above-average SSTs are present). The CFS displays the same overall reasoning, with downward motion remaining over the equatorial Pacific for an extended period of time, however, the CFS does show weaker downward motion throughout the forecast period as opposed to the GFS.

GFS on the upper left-hand corner; CFS on the upper right-hand corner. The anomalous global SSTs map on the bottom of the two:


Quoting flsky:

Well, that look severe! Scientific interpretation anyone?


It is not pointed at us. That's a good thing :)

Hope it stays that way....



Quoting DontAnnoyMe:


Yeah. Thanks a bunch, FDA.

This is why I grow my own veggies and meat.
Quoting Chicklit:
Hey, just checking in on the first official day of spring. Glad I made it! We had a nice rain here in ECFL this morning and would like to get some more. Temps dropped a few degrees today and it was really a nice one.
Glad you are all keeping tabs on environmental hazards, including those that are in what we eat! I've discovered the farmer's market on Saturday mornings here where folks are selling gorgeous green veggies that are grown without pesticides. I don't think they'll have as good luck here in warmer weather though. I've never seen as many bugs anywhere as we have here in Florida!
Goodnight, sleep tight and don't let the bedbugs bite!


Especially the spiders, we have spiders, spiders, and uh, more spiders, you can't really grasp just how infested with bugs and spiders Florida is till you hit the interior though! lol

Looking at the stages of the Mississippi in it's northern half. Starting to fill up. And as the Dr. says, there's a lot of snow laying on the ground waiting to melt. Ya think the FEMA boys have their rubber rafts and MRE's ready to go?

We can pray for some serious wind to remove some of the moisture. Of course wind doesn't have the same effect on crusted snow that it does on new stuff. But it can do a number on sheet flow.

March is planting season for me.
MiamiHurricanes09...what do u mean by ur post in 276?
Quoting Jedkins01:


Especially the spiders, we have spiders, spiders, and uh, more spiders, you can't really grasp just how infested with bugs and spiders Florida is till you hit the interior though! lol



Did ya know a spider you all showed earlier as the Banana/Garden spider, was actually a Golden Orb weaver?

Those guys made the cross hairs used in the aiming devices (sights) used in the 2nd world war. Google it and see for yourself. I actually raised one which now resides in the Linger Lodge showcase of local bugs and animals. No BS, but a long story on raising it :)

Golden silk orb-weaver
283. flsky
Just curious - where do folks here think major flood problems will appear this Spring.
Quoting EnergyMoron:


Then why are you destroying the environment?

If you are convinced that you are destroying the environment you had a moral duty to stop it.

My solar panels are overproducing and are looking to pay out in 18 years now BTW.

The high carbon footprint folks who say carbon is bad for the environment have NO credibility and please stop talking about global warming since if you don't walk the talk nobody is going to believe you.

What is your carbon footprint and what are you doing to reduce it?

You planet destroyer you.

Good night.


Don't let them get under your skin, they are hopelessly blind...

Carbon is in everything. Natural combustion is good for the environment. When humans are releasing tons of toxic chemicals into the air everyday, out of all things, carbon emissions is the big fuss. What a joke.


speaking of carbon footprint, I plan on getting one of these bumper stickers
:


For my Chevy truck:


Quoting geepy86:

This is why I grow my own veggies and meat.


Good for you! Can't do that, but eat organic and unprocessed as much as possible. Pretty easy to do around here, but not easy for many others.
286. flsky
Here in DBS, a great influx of spiders seem to be cyclical. Year before last was incredible - last year, nothing!
Quoting flsky:
Just curious - where do folks here think major flood problems will appear this Spring.


I'd agree with this, which Dr. M referred to

National Hydrologic Assessment
Quoting FirstCoastMan:
MiamiHurricanes09...what do u mean by ur post in 276?
That the La Nia we currently have present over the equatorial Pacific isn't going to turn around into neutral, or a weak El Nio in any hurry, unlike what we saw in 2009/2010 in which the El Nio that was present turned into a La Nia quite rapidly. Another sign other than the propagation of the MJO, is the SOI, which is the monthly difference in air pressure between Tahiti and Darwin. When the SOI is in a positive value we see increased trade winds along the equatorial Pacific which constitute towards a La Nia event, a negative SOI is the opposite. Currently the SOI is at 22.3 which obviously indicates that we remain in a La Nia event.

It is interesting that even though all these factors (positive SOI, forecast downward motion of the MJO, trade winds, cloudiness, etc...) point towards the La Nia remaining steady, at the least, the latest ENSO Wrap-Up released a few hours ago displays that the equatorial Pacific continues to warm, albeit slowly.


Quoting flsky:
Here in DBS, a great influx of spiders seem to be cyclical. Year before last was incredible - last year, nothing!


Hey sky, where's DBS?
283 Short range:

291. flsky
Quoting Jedkins01:


Don't let them get under your skin, they are hopelessly blind...

Carbon is in everything. Natural combustion is good for the environment. When humans are releasing tons of toxic chemicals into the air everyday, out of all things, carbon emissions is the big fuss. What a joke.


speaking of carbon footprint, I plan on getting one of these bumper stickers
:


For my Chevy truck:



Ignorance is sad, and seems currently pervasive.
292. flsky
Quoting DontAnnoyMe:


Hey sky, where's DBS?

Daytona Beach Shores, FL
Natural combustion is good for the environment.

Thats ridiculous. Totally unqualified and untrue.

I wonder if people that say those kinds of things ever feel remorseful when people are hurt because of their ignorance.
294. flsky
Quoting DontAnnoyMe:


I'd agree with this, which Dr. M referred to

National Hydrologic Assessment

Thanks! Hadn't seen this graphic previously.
Last night I remember someone that was a denial poster ranting about how hunting gives them insight into environmental matters above others that support policies cause extinction. Never mind that probably the largest extinction threat now to species is climate change.

Its especially sad when a little prevention could help:

Extinction risk from climate change

Climate change over the past approx 30 years has produced numerous shifts in the distributions and abundances of species and has been implicated in one species-level extinction. Using projections of species' distributions for future climate scenarios, we assess extinction risks for sample regions that cover some 20% of the Earth's terrestrial surface. Exploring three approaches in which the estimated probability of extinction shows a power-law relationship with geographical range size, we predict, on the basis of mid-range climate-warming scenarios for 2050, that 15% of species in our sample of regions and taxa will be 'committed to extinction'. When the average of the three methods and two dispersal scenarios is taken, minimal climate-warming scenarios produce lower projections of species committed to extinction (approx18%) than mid-range (approx24%) and maximum-change (approx35%) scenarios. These estimates show the importance of rapid implementation of technologies to decrease greenhouse gas emissions and strategies for carbon sequestration.

Quoting Ossqss:


Did ya know a spider you all showed earlier as the Banana/Garden spider, was actually a Golden Orb weaver?

Those guys made the cross hairs used in the aiming devices (sights) used in the 2nd world war. Google it and see for yourself. I actually raised one which now resides in the Linger Lodge showcase of local bugs and animals. No BS, but a long story on raising it :)



Yep I knew it! Ive always been fascinated by their golden spider silk!!

wow, I did not know they used the silk for cross hairs in WWII though!

Many people mistake that spider for a banana spider, but this is what a banana spider actually looks like:
The longer range assessment has the northern ares included for snow melt.
ok apparently that image isn't working... hmm

ok, here it is, this is what an actual banana spider looks like, its other name is the Brazilian wandering spider, as I said, they are extremely poisonous. They do occasionally end up in Florida on banana shipments.
There are 1.9 million known species now. Projections are that anywhere form 2.5 to 100 million exist.
Fisky~ I suspect Midwest flooding will spike our cereal/flour/bread prices mid to late spring. I hope they learned some things from 2009.


Miami~ A low or storm over Darwin the last few weeks has affected SOI, keeping it positive even though La Nina is crashing. A good point in why SOI isn't the absolute predictor. Though these storms have had their effect pulling the overly warm pool well south of the equator back toward Australia a touch. Region 1,2 cooled slightly & ESPI dropped to -.91. An expected step down in the overall trend up.

Quoting Jedkins01:


Don't let them get under your skin, they are hopelessly blind...

Carbon is in everything. Natural combustion is good for the environment. When humans are releasing tons of toxic chemicals into the air everyday, out of all things, carbon emissions is the big fuss. What a joke.


speaking of carbon footprint, I plan on getting one of these bumper stickers
:


For my Chevy truck:



You pride yourself in ruining the environment. cool


Carbon is in every living thing. It's also in Cyanide. Moral of the story? Carbon isn't always a good thing. CO2 is no exception, neither is CO, CH4, nor any CFCs.
Tom that is how some people are.

I think people 100 years from now will wonder how it could have been allowed to happen, how reasonable people didn't speak up when the science clearly showed there was problem.

They will fantasize about going back in time to try warn people about climate change, in much the romantic way people now think about going back to stop the Nazis, prevent 9/11 or to warn everyone about AIDS.

Quoting TomTaylor:

You pride yourself in ruining the environment. cool


Carbon is in every living thing. It's also in Cyanide. Moral of the story? Carbon isn't always a good thing. CO2 is no exception, neither is CO, CH4, nor any hydrocarbons.


Yep I definitely pride myself on ruining the environment.

Learn to live a little, get a life.
You have to make right in the world you are given despite them. The point is it wasn't easy to speak up before those disasters, and if you did you would have been ridiculed by the populists and their enablers.

In the end do you have a ounce of respect for those that facilitated past disasters? That at best, is how people will think of the Denialists in the future.

Quoting Jedkins01:


Yep I definitely pride myself on ruining the environment.

Learn to live a little, get a life.

I too ruin the environment. Everyone does. I have a life.

The only difference between you and me, is you are happy to do it.
presenting my new avatar for 2011 hurricane season
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
presenting my new avatar for 2011 hurricane season

idk if I like it lol
308. flsky
Where is the guy who post the good music??
309. flsky
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
presenting my new avatar for 2011 hurricane season

Relevance??
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
presenting my new avatar for 2011 hurricane season


This blog is already a little too dizzy at times, and I'm already feeling it \;
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
presenting my new avatar for 2011 hurricane season

That's making me dizzy Keep. LOL
i don't know maybe i will keep it i will see
has anyone seen the earth slide in bolivia?
Link


it's quite different from the ones you had before keeper

{*~*} ~~~~~~~
Quoting WaterWitch11:
it's quite different from the ones you had before keeper


I know ! WaterWitch use your powers and put a spell on the K......lol....
Quoting WaterWitch11:
it's quite different from the ones you had before keeper
ya now a days after reading this blog iam dazed and confused so i figure it would be fitting
my favorite way to be!

but the fighting has been bad lately, like it's right before hurricane season.
Doesn't have to be. If you are going to comment on climate you should be able to back it up with references. If people gave their opinion as to where a dangerous hurricane was headed that challenged the scientific consensus - well you know what happens.

With climate its the same. Thats 90 - 99 percent of the problems. The rest is misunderstandings like jumping into the middle of a conversation or defending somethign someone said because they are your friend or you dislike someone or something as ridiculous.
but the climate is a volatile topic almost like religion. everyone has their own opinions and will argue until blue in the face. you need to just state what you are finding and let it be. not personally address every person that makes a comment. if i was to put my true beliefs on this blog, they would probably think i was cookoo.
Its a modeled science. Everything "controversial" is just generalization and incorrect belief. Facts are not controversial really. The reasoning is sound.

If your beliefs were based in sound reason and known fact what would they say? Well they would harass you and disparage you personally probably but other than that, which doesn't matter anyway, you would be correct.

But the not addressing "every person that makes a comment" is sound and reasonable advice.
284 Jedkins01 "Don't let them get under your skin, they are hopelessly blind... Carbon is in everything. Natural combustion is good for the environment. When humans are releasing tons of toxic chemicals into the air everyday, out of all things, carbon emissions is the big fuss. What a joke.
Speaking of carbon footprint... I plan on getting one of these bumper stickers --
' My Carbon Footprint Is Bigger than Yours ' -- for my Chevy truck.
"

Quoting aspectre:
284 Jedkins01 "Don't let them get under your skin, they are hopelessly blind... Carbon is in everything. Natural combustion is good for the environment. When humans are releasing tons of toxic chemicals into the air everyday, out of all things, carbon emissions is the big fuss. What a joke.
Speaking of carbon footprint... I plan on getting one of these bumper stickers --
' My Carbon Footprint Is Bigger than Yours ' -- for my Chevy truck.
"



One of the things about posting from europe is that I post when no one is on the blog. Prevents me from getting into pointless spirals of comments (usually). (It also prevents me from knowing whether I am being ignored for being an idiot or ignored because I'm never around to reply.)

So without trying to get into an argument, there are a lot of versions of hypocrisy but I think an analogy is better: we are a networked society. Pictures a bunch of climbers who have climbed so high that they have to stay roped togather or they will all individually perish, or at least most of them will perish. This is our society. I cannot make rubber or mine steel, I cannot make medicene or create a computer chip. Yes those things are essential for my lifestyle.

The same situation is true for everyone. If we were to all stop the machine that is society right now, we would not be able to produce the food, the water, the shelter, etc. that is required for everyone to survive. The result would be chaos. In short, we are roped togather.

Yet roped togather ars we are, it isn't hypocritical to say: "this is a bad direction, let us all collectively change direction." The response "oh, you're hypocritical because you can't won't unclip yourself from society and drop out (no pun intended)" isn't valid. It simply doesn't apply. The point is to change the direction of society because society is headed off a cliff.

I agree that leadership by example is one of the best ways of changing society. Before anyone asks: pellet stove, bike to work (looking forward to electric biking this summer), have chickens for eggs, grow a lot of my own food, vegitarian-ish (pepperoni pizza and the odd free range turkey on holidays). Also, local produce and local food except some fruits.

But leadership by example isn't the only way of changing society. Al Gore probably has done more for the world than all of the current crop of pseudo-conservative GOP/TP politicians there are. Aside from public awareness of global warming, he has also convinced a lot fo the world that Americans are not just spoiled brat all-you-can-eat consumers. That does a lot to help America internationally. it provides counter examples to anti-American rhetoric. In turn that helps people accept American brands like chevy, Microsoft, Google, facebook, Coca cola, boeing, etc. which in turn helps America export it's goods which helps the folow-the-pack-too-cool-to-care-about-global-warmi ng crowd continue to be able to afford pick up trucks and sub zero airconditioning.

Or think about it like this: if Al Gore flys a 747 carrying his personal hummer to a convention and wastes 60000 gallons of fuel, but he convinces 20,000 people to ride bikes to work once a week and each person saves 10 gallons of fuel per week. Well you do the math... actually he saves 10340000 gallons of fuel per year based on his actions.

It is a networked economy. Opinions about societal direction dont have a one to one relationship in most cases with individual actions in terms of hypocrisy. That said, I wish Gore didn't have a huge mansion. I personally dislike that as well. I also wish he bothered to be more image conscious because I think he preaches a bit to the choir. I wish he tried more to be common sense macho cowboyish because I think he would have a greater impact on the people who tend to make fun of conservation.
Actually, maybe a better example is biking. Someone was on here chortling about people in his neck of the woods have names for bikers: road kill, suicide machines, etc..

In that area, would it be hypocritical to try to get everyone to ride bikes without riding one yourself?

I've biked to work whenever possible. But I hate biking in traffic. As much as I think whoever posted that is just trying to fit in with whatever self image he needs, the poster had a point: it is dangerous to bike in America today. I wouldn't bike in a lot of cities. Also I personally find people who block traffic on bikes really annoying. I don't like their type of protest: randomly inflicted on ordinary people in some self righteous holier than thou attitude. Still, I don't feel hypocritical when I drive a car, because I don't have a choice. The choice is not survive in society today or drive a car. If society changed to make it easier to bike, I would almost always bike or bus it.
sigh...

really sad to see some of the posts here. People SO in love with themselves, so into the "look at me" attitude.

I had hoped he would grow up with a better temperament- instead, his testosterone and self-indulgence, as well as the bragging and boasting, makes me embarrassed to share the same state as he does.

He acts as though he is the only human on the planet. Dude, do you have a rich doting uncle who works for BP?

Your pride and close-mindedness will be your downfall, and when you finally try to pull yourself outta the ridiculous chest-beating hole you've pounded yourself into?

It's gonna be too late.
here in brevard county they put the county offices way out in the old swamp (now drained). no one is going to ride their bikes out there. the court house and dmv dont even have bike racks. pitiful management guys at the bike shop know me and ive lasted as long as i have by riding not on the roads but on the side walks. dont want to be road kill.
It just keeps getting stranger and stranger.
Quite a wallop for the Eastern US

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Miami International Airport
Lat: 25.78 Lon: -80.32 Elev: 35
Last Update on Mar 2, 6:53 am EST


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(22 °C) Humidity: 84 %
Wind Speed: Calm
Barometer: 30.05" (1017.6 mb)
Dewpoint: 66 °F (19 °C)
Visibility: 8.00 mi.
The 2010 Prism maps for the month of October has been released:

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Good Morning/evening

Wow those double tropical systems hitting Australia look stunning! Hope my Darwin friends are safe.

People keep confusing the Golden Silk Spiders with the Argiope spiders that are black white and yellow.
The golden silk spiders I see have very fuzzy legs and a big yellow "banana-ish" body. The Argiope spiders have a black white and yellow striped body and the distinctive white zig-zags in their web.

I like the trivorpalvisionwarper icon. I got one of those out of a magazine in the early 80's to put on my record player.
Quoting weatherboy1992:
Mixon is correct. Carbon monoxide is odorless and tasteless.


So is dihydrogen monoxide.

And people die from too much of that, too...
An interesting experiment might be to develop a real, not modeled, simulation of the earth's atmosphere and the radiation the earth is exposed to without all the confusion of clouds, water vapor, aerosols, and what have you and simply measure the temperature as a function of the carbon dioxide level. If you can get this part correct you can then expand the experiment to evaluate some of the variables noted above. It may be difficult to simulate the radiative properties of the earth's surface and handle the convective problems but there must be some smart folks out there who could get all of the details straight. After all, the scientific method requires that experiments be designed and performed to test the hypothesis. Maybe this has been accomplished. Any comments?
Quoting hcubed:


So is dihydrogen monoxide.

And people die from too much of that, too...

don't fear the reaper man