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The United States of Snow

By: Dr. Jeff Masters, 5:51 PM GMT on February 13, 2010

We live in the United States of Snow. A rare Deep South heavy snowstorm whipped across the southern tier of states yesterday, dumping six-plus inches of snow over portions of Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina, and North Carolina. Even Florida got into the act, with up to two inches recorded in the extreme northwestern Panhandle. The snowstorm left 49 of the 50 states with snow cover, according to an article by Associated Press. Hawaii was the lone hold-out. David Robinson, head of the Rutgers Global Snow Lab, said that 67.1% of the U.S. had snow cover on Friday morning, with the average depth a respectable 8 inches. Normally, the U.S. has about 40 - 50% snow coverage during the 2nd week of February. January had the 6th greatest snow cover in the 44-year record over the contiguous U.S., and December 2009 had the most snow cover of any December on record. The current pattern of record heavy snows over the the Eastern U.S. is primarily due to a natural oscillation in the Earth's climate system called the North Atlantic Oscillation (NAO). (Some prefer to discuss this in terms of the Arctic Oscillation, which is as a close cousin of the NAO, and one can use either). I discussed the NAO's influence on winter weather in a post last month. Another contributing factor is probably the current moderate El Niño event.

An all-time record snow for Dallas
The most recent storm clobbered Dallas with 12.5" of snow, the heaviest snow on record for the Dallas-Fort Worth Airport. Dallas' previous record was 7.4", set on January 15 - 16, 1964. The 15.7" of snow that has now fallen on Dallas this winter eclipses the previous record seasonal snowfall for the city--14.1" during the winter of 1977 - 1978. The snowstorm dumped over a foot of snow along a narrow region just north of Dallas and Fort Worth, with the towns of Haslet and Duncanville receiving 14.2" and 14.9", respectively.


Figure 1. Dallas' all-time record snowfall made for an un-inviting swim at this pool in nearby Flower Mound. Image credit: wunderphotographer texasdog.

A few selected snow amounts from the storm, courtesy of the National Weather Service:

...NORTH CAROLINA ...
HARKERS ISLAND 3.2 NE 8.8
HAVELOCK 2.7 S 8.5
BEAUFORT 7.0
NEWPORT 7.0
SEA LEVEL 7.0
OUTLAND 4 S 6.8
WINTERVILLE 3.5 W 6.4
CAPE CARTERET 6.2
BETTIE 6.0
BURGAW 6.0
JACKSONVILLE 6.0
MOREHEAD CITY 6.0
GREENVILLE 5.8

...ALABAMA...
BELLEVILLE 6.0
BRANTLEY 5.0
EVERGREEN 5 N 5.0
THOMASVILLE 5.0
EUFAULA 4 S 4.5
LOTTIE 4.5
MONROEVILLE 0.6 SSW 4.1
ARITON 4.0
PINSON 4.0
RAMER 4.0
TROY 4.0
WARD 4.0

...ARKANSAS...
FOREMAN 4.0
TEXARKANA 1 N 4.0

...FLORIDA...
BERRYDALE 2.0
MUNSON 2.0
JAY 1.0

...GEORGIA...
LUMPKIN 6.0
WASHINGTON 1.9 NE 5.8
LOGANVILLE 4 SSE 5.3
NICHOLSON 4.9 SE 4.8
ATHENS 3.2 NW 4.6
LA GRANGE 10.6 ESE 4.5
WATKINSVILLE 1.6 ENE 4.4
ROCKMART 9.6 SSE 4.3
TALBOTTON 4.0
HAMILTON 5 W 3.5
VILLA RICA 3.5
SENOIA 2 N 3.0
DACULA 2.5
CUTHBERT 2.0
MACON 2.0
ROME 2.0

...LOUISIANA...
SHREVEPORT 9.1 SE 6.1
NATCHITOCHES 0.9 NE 6.0
SHONGALOO 5 N 6.0
SICILY ISLAND 3.3 WNW 6.0
GOLDONNA 8.8 SSW 5.6
MONROE 5.0
PLAIN DEALING 3.3 ESE 5.0
HOMER 1.2 N 3.7
WEST MONROE 6.1 WSW 3.5

...MISSISSIPPI...
DE KALB 8.0
BUDE 6.5
VICKSBURG 6.3
BROOKHAVEN 6.0
NATCHEZ 6.0
PETAL 6.0
BRANDON 5.0
CATAHOULA 5.0
MADISON 5.0
BRANDON 1.9 NE 4.6
MERIDIAN 4.5
MCCALL CREEK 5 W 4.0

...OKLAHOMA...
HAWORTH 4 SW 7.5
IDABEL 8 SE 7.5

...SOUTH CAROLINA...
SUMMERVILLE 3.8 NE 8.2
COLUMBIA 7.3
BAMBERG 7.0
BOWMAN 7.0
EVANS 1 SE 7.0
LEXINGTON 1.6 WNW 7.0
OAK GROVE 1 SE 7.0
OATLAND 8 N 7.0
SMOAKS 7.0
HEMINGWAY 6.8
SANGAREE 6.5
ORANGEBURG 6.0
DARLINGTON 5.0
BLYTHE 4.0
CHARLESTON 3.3
BEAUFORT 3.0

...TEXAS...
DUNCANVILLE 1.7 NNW 14.9
HASLET 14.2
FORT WORTH 12.6
DALLAS 12.5
MANSFIELD 2.6 NNE 12.2
BRIDGEPORT 12.0
ROYSE CITY 12.0
SANGER 1.8 WSW 12.0
MESQUITE 3.3 ESE 11.4
NORTH RICHLAND HILLS 1.9 NE 11.3

As we can see from a plot of the frequency of U.S. snowstorms between 1900 - 2001 (Figure 2), heavy snow events of 6+ inches occur about once every ten years for Dallas, and between once every ten years and once every 100 years for the portions of Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina, and North Carolina that received 6+ inches of snow from this storm.


Figure 2. The annual average number of snowstorms with a 6 inch (15.2 cm) or greater accumulation, from the years 1901 - 2001. A value of 0.1 means an average of one 6+ inch snowstorm every ten years. Image credit: Changnon, S.A., D. Changnon, and T.R. Karl, 2006, Temporal and Spatial Characteristics of Snowstorms in the Contiguous United States, J. Applied Meteorology and Climatology, 45, 8, pp. 1141-1155, DOI: 10.1175/JAM2395.1.

More heavy snowstorms occur in warmer-than-average years
I made this point in yesterday's blog post, but it's worth repeating. Another interesting result from the Changnon et al. (2006) paper of Figure 2 is the relationship between heavy snowstorms and the average winter temperature. For the contiguous U.S. between 1900 - 2001, the authors found that 61% - 80% of all heavy snowstorms of 6+ inches occurred during winters with above normal temperatures. In other words, the old adage, "it's too cold to snow", has some truth to it. The authors also found that 61% - 85% of all heavy snowstorms of 6+ inches occurred during winters that were wetter than average. The authors conclude, "a future with wetter and warmer winters, which is one outcome expected (National Assessment Synthesis Team 2001), will bring more heavy snowstorms of 6+ inches than in 1901 - 2000. The authors found that over the U.S. as a whole, there had been a slight but significant increase in heavy snowstorms of 6+ inches than in 1901 - 2000. So, there is evidence that the average climate of the U.S. over the past 100 years is colder than optimal for heavy snow events to occur. If the climate continues to warm, we should expect an increase in heavy snow events for a few decades, until the climate grows so warm that we pass the point where winter temperatures are at the optimum for heavy snow events. However, a study by Houston and Changnon (2009) on the most severe types of snowstorms--the "top ten" heaviest snows on record for each of 121 major U.S. cities--shows no upward or downward trend in the very heaviest snowstorms for the contiguous U.S. between 1948 - 2001.

A new snowstorm for the mid-Atlantic and New York City on Monday
The extreme amounts of snow on the ground in the Mid-Atlantic thanks to back-to-back blizzards over the past week will get a fresh layer on top Monday night, when a new snowstorm will probably dump another 3 - 6 inches of snow on Washington D.C., Baltimore, and Philadelphia. The new storm is called an "Alberta Clipper", due to its fast motion and genesis location in Canada's Alberta Province. These storms are relatively dry and tend to bring lighter, fluffier snow. Once the Clipper moves out over the Atlantic off the coast of Maryland, it will pick up some Atlantic moisture and bring some heavier snows to the New York City region, potentially 6 - 10 inches.

Media coverage by the Washington Post
I did a phone-in press call with 20 media outlets on Thursday, to discuss how record snowstorms do not imply that global warming is not occurring. Participating on the call with me was Dr. Joe Romm, who blogs on climate-related issues for climateprogress.org. The audio is posted there if you want to listen.

The Washington Post highlighted a portion of the call where I said, "there's a huge amount of natural variability in the climate system", not enough years of measurements to know exactly what's going on, and "Unfortunately we don't have that data so we are forced to make decisions based on inadequate data." The article said that my statements shot down the statement by Joe Romm that "the overwhelming weight of the scientific literature" points to human-caused warming and that doubters "don't understand the science." Let me clarify that there will always be considerable uncertainty in our understanding of a chaotic system like the atmosphere. We should not demand certainty where it cannot exist, always using uncertainty as an excuse for taking no action. Keep in mind that the uncertainty goes both ways--climate change could be far worse than the IPCC is predicting, and it would be wise to buy an intelligent amount of insurance to protect ourselves. I agree with Dr. Romm's statement, and the official Statement on Climate Change from the American Meteorological Society, "Despite the uncertainties...there is adequate evidence from observations and interpretations of climate simulations to conclude that the atmosphere, ocean, and land surface are warming; that humans have significantly contributed to this change; and that further climate change will continue to have important impacts on human societies, on economies, on ecosystems, and on wildlife through the 21st century and beyond." The official statement from the UK Royal Society and UK Met Office is also one I agree with, "The 2007 IPCC Assessment, the most comprehensive and respected analysis of climate change to date, states clearly that without substantial global reductions of greenhouse gas emissions we can likely expect a world of increasing droughts, floods and species loss, of rising seas and displaced human populations. However even since the 2007 IPCC Assessment the evidence for dangerous, long-term and potentially irreversible climate change has strengthened. The scientific evidence which underpins calls for action at Copenhagen is very strong. Without coordinated international action on greenhouse gas emissions, the impacts on climate and civilization could be severe.".

Next post
Looks like the winter onslaught will slow down for a day, so I'll be back Monday with a new post.

Jeff Masters
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Reader Comments

Thanks Doc. good information.
Roland Emmerich please make another movie on climate change ;) Plot: climate is screwed and how humans fix it.
Don't forget Hawaii at higher elevations!Link
How about Rome getting there first taste of the white in 25 years. Is it an attribute of NAO?
Current Snow Depth across the South: " alt="" />
well, its all melting here in pinehurst nc,, so go play golf
Quoting gregpinehurstnc:
well, its all melting here in pinehurst nc,, so go play golf


It's melting big-time in the SE USA. Easily seen on visible satellite.
Snow melt:

Snowsqualls and partly cloudy to mainly clear today in S. Ontario. I saw a sundog earlier today so there must be some thin high cirrus clouds. It was snowing in 49 out of 50 US states and I heard one person from South Carolina make an ignorant comment suggesting that the snowstorms disprove global warming.
Cyclone Rene currently at cat. 2 and affecting American Samoa, still recovering from a recent tsunami. It's expected to hit Tonga as a strong cat. 3 before turning toward North Island of New Zealand as a tropical storm or remnant system.



More SE Pacific storms may be on the way.

Tonga earthquake 6.1

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Quakes/us2010srah.php
Hi all.

Did anybody catch a Discovery Channel special on Haitian hurricanes? I was wondering if anybody saw it.
Wow, the United States of Snow! Go away El Nino, PLEASE just go away!!
I'd like to report the the NWS in Goose Creek, SC received a total snowfall of 4.5 inches. An amazing event, to say the least. I have plenty of pictures up on Facebook. I'm trying to get them up on Wunderground, but it's being finicky.

Goose Creek snow storm
weather.gov
National Weather Service

Watches, Warnings & Advisories
Local weather forecast by "City, St" or zip code

Ashfall Advisory

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

CARIBBEAN SEA
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
1030 AM EST SAT FEB 13 2010

OFFSHORE WATERS FORECAST FOR THE TROPICAL N ATLC FROM 07N TO 22N
BETWEEN 55W AND 65W...THE SW N ATLANTIC S OF 31N W OF 65W
INCLUDING BAHAMAS...AND THE CARIBBEAN SEA

SEAS GIVEN AS SIGNIFICANT WAVE HEIGHT...WHICH IS THE AVERAGE
HEIGHT OF THE HIGHEST 1/3 OF THE WAVES. INDIVIDUAL WAVES MAY BE
MORE THAN TWICE THE SIGNIFICANT WAVE HEIGHT.

AMZ086-132130-
E CARIBBEAN E OF 75W TO THE LEEWARD AND WINDWARD ISLANDS
1030 AM EST SAT FEB 13 2010

...VOLCANIC ASHFALL ADVISORY N OF 16N E OF 70W FROM SOUFRIERE
HILLS VOLCANO MONTSERRAT AT 16.7N 62.2W...

.THIS AFTERNOON THROUGH MON...S OF 14N NE TO E WINDS 15 TO 20
KT...EXCEPT 20 TO 25 KT NEAR COAST OF COLOMBIA...DIMINISHING TO
10 TO 15 KT SUN. SEAS 3 TO 5 FT SUN. N OF 14N NE TO E WINDS 10
TO 15 KT. SEAS 3 TO 5 FT...EXCEPT THROUGH EXPOSED ATLC PASSAGES
BUILDING TO 8 TO 13 FT IN N SWELL FRI NIGHT...SUBSIDING TO 8 TO
10 FT LATE SAT AND TO 4 TO 7 FT SUN AND MON. REDUCED
VISIBILITIES IN VOLCANIC ASH THIS AFTERNOON AND TONIGHT.
.TUE AND WED...S OF 15N NE TO E WINDS INCREASING TO 15 TO 20 KT.
SEAS BUILDING TO 5 TO 7 FT. N OF 15N E WINDS 10 TO 15 KT. SEAS 4
TO 6 FT.

$$
Well, At the University of West Florida, No snow as of Noon when I left to go to Gainesville.

But, I met my fiance in lake City and we drove to Tifton. And by god it was snowing! The first snow i ever saw, much less drove through.

The temp was 37 degrees, then its started to sleet.

The temp immediately dropped to 32 and the rain was gone and all there was was BIG snowflakes flying by the car. It looked like Star wars. it was amazing!

We stopped in tifton and threw snow balls at each other and made a tiny snowman. I put my Pipe in its mouth and he looked content!

Drove back to gainesville. For my first ever REAL snow it could not of been better!
Quoting BioChemist:
Well, At the University of West Florida, No snow as of Noon when I left to go to Gainesville.

But, I met my fiance in lake City and we drove to Tifton. And by god it was snowing! The first snow i ever saw, much less drove through.

The temp was 37 degrees, then its started to sleet.

The temp immediately dropped to 32 and the rain was gone and all there was was BIG snowflakes flying by the car. It looked like Star wars. it was amazing!

We stopped in tifton and threw snow balls at each other and made a tiny snowman. I put my Pipe in its mouth and he looked content!

Drove back to gainesville. For my first ever REAL snow it could not of been better!



That's exactly what it looks like when you're driving, STAR WARS, remember that very well...
Quoting charlottefl:



That's exactly what it looks like when you're driving, STAR WARS, remember that very well...


I will never forget! I was scared to go over like 45! Looking in my side view mirror was disorienting!
Quoting Drakoen:
Snow melt:



The snow has definitely all melted here in Florida, and most of it in south Alabama is gone as well. By the time we were heading back into the Panhandle around 5 or 6PM yesterday, the snow in Brewton and points south was already melting fast. Seemed like as soon as the snow stopped falling, it started to rapidly melt.
Quoting GBguy88:


The snow has definitely all melted here in Florida, and most of it in south Alabama is gone as well. By the time we were heading back into the Panhandle around 5 or 6PM yesterday, the snow in Brewton and points south was already melting fast. Seemed like as soon as the snow stopped falling, it started to rapidly melt.


Daytime high temperatures are not conducive to sustain snow.
We had a goodly rain last night in Nassau, and temps have remained cool all day today. I know it's not snow, but heavy precipitation in Nassau in February is pretty unusual....
Quoting drg0dOwnCountry:
Tonga earthquake 6.1

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Quakes/us2010srah.php


Yikes! Right before the category three cyclone too.

Quoting Bordonaro:
Wow, the United States of Snow! Go away El Nino, PLEASE just go away!!


I wouldn't call this a normal El Nino pattern any longer. I would blame the partial stalling of the ocean currents. This has lead to both SST lines and jet streams being "flat" except within large storms that cause the storm track to shift even further.

Quoting GBguy88:


The snow has definitely all melted here in Florida, and most of it in south Alabama is gone as well. By the time we were heading back into the Panhandle around 5 or 6PM yesterday, the snow in Brewton and points south was already melting fast. Seemed like as soon as the snow stopped falling, it started to rapidly melt.


Is there a flooding threat for the southern US?
Recent quake between Cuba and Haiti:

Wellington Tropical Cyclone Warning Center
Tropical Cyclone Advisory
SEVERE TROPICAL CYCLONE RENE
7:00 AM NZDT February 14 2010
================================

A TROPICAL CYCLONE ALERT REMAINS IN FORCE FOR NIUE.

A TROPICAL CYCLONE GALE WARNING REMAINS IN FORCE FOR NIUATOPUTAPU AND NIUAFOU.

A TROPICAL CYCLONE ALERT REMAINS IN FORCE FOR REST OF TONGA.


At 18:00 PM UTC, Severe Tropical Cyclone Rene (950 hPa) located at 15.9S 170.2W has 10 minute sustained winds of 80 knots.

Hurricane Force Winds
======================
30 NM from the center

Storm Force Winds
=================
50 NM from the center

Gale Force Winds
=================
160 NM from the center in southeast semi-circle
120 NM from the center in northwest semi-circle


The ENSO warm pool continues to spread out due to the recent cyclones while the Gulf Stream-West Greenland diversion creeps farther northwest due to the jet stream pattern looping back west over Labrador and the big storms accompanying it.
thanks for update doc snow you have not seen nothing yet a lot more to come after a little 24 48 hr break
ah RSMC Nadi is back in releasing advisories
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Eye becoming more discernible with visible/infrared imageries. Band to south consolidating and wrapping tightly around low level circulation center. Outflow good in all quadrants. Cyclone still lies under a divergent region with relatively minimal shear. System steered by east northeast deep layer mean flow along the northwestern periphery of a strong mid level ridge to the southeast into area of decreasing shear.

Dvorak analysis based on central dense overcast measuring 153 NM with BF of 0.5 yielding DT5.5 PT=5.0 MET=5.0. FT based on PT

Dvorak Intensity: T5.0/5.0/D1.0/24HRS.

Sea surface temperature is around 28-29C. Global models generally agree on eventual southwest track with further intensification.

Forecast and Intensity
=====================
12 HRS: 16.9S 171.3W - 85 knots (CAT 3)
24 HRS: 18.4S 172.6W - 90 knots (CAT 4)
48 HRS: 22.1S 175.3W - 100 knots (CAT 4)

The Next Tropical Disturbance Advisory On TC RENE Will Be Issued At Aroun 2:30 AM UTC (Sunday)...
Not even a flurry for me! And flurries happened in Jacksonville, FL at 2 a.m. this morning!
And thanks for the great post Dr. Masters!
33. IKE
Check out the 6-10 day temp. outlook....




8-14 day temp. outlook....

I wonder if our local ocean temps will hit a new record low, Ike.
Quoting IKE:
Check out the 6-10 day temp. outlook....




8-14 day temp. outlook....



Alright, looks like a real cold 6-10 period for the Eastern 2/3 of the CONUS, real cold!!
36. IKE
Quoting StSimonsIslandGAGuy:
I wonder if our local ocean temps will hit a new record low, Ike.


I noticed the other day, the water temps. at the NW FL. coast were in the low 50's. That's cold for this area in the winter.
Bermuda water temps are about 59.5F thats about 5.9 degrees below average.i don't know if Bermuda keeps records for that kinda thing, but I would think that that is near one.
Whoo, got into the snow last night too in Raleigh. Wasn't expecting it since forecasters said the storm would stay south of us, but we got 3" (but its melting fast now). Looked like the storm was exploding over the coast of NC, anyone from eastern NC here posting?
That's really an amazing temperature deviation BDA. our water temp fell to 47.5 at the end of our January outbreak at buoy 41008 with water temps in the low 40s in our local shelf waters.

I am also surprised it's not snow in all 50 states, no snow at Mauna Loa or Mauna Kea?

But maybe not---I wonder how rare it is for those mountains not to have snow on the summits in winter:

Quoting AstroHurricane001:


The ENSO warm pool continues to spread out due to the recent cyclones while the Gulf Stream-West Greenland diversion creeps farther northwest due to the jet stream pattern looping back west over Labrador and the big storms accompanying it.


heres some better sst info astro i am posting a sst section on my blog at next update and they will be part of regular updatde info on my blog every 6 to 12 hrs one every 24 for sure









Quoting BDAwx:
Bermuda water temps are about 59.5F thats about 5.9 degrees below average.i don't know if Bermuda keeps records for that kinda thing, but I would think that that is near one.


I'd say it's the fact that the northern bulge in warm water south of the Gulf Stream disappeared in mid-January, as the North Atlantic Gyre slowed down and storms in the Northwest Atlantic forced the water southward on their west side.
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:


heres some better sst info astro i am posting a sst section on my blog at next update and they will be part of regular updatde info on my blog every 6 to 12 hrs one every 24 for sure











Thanks. I will write a blog containing this information soon as well. Notice again how the 19C-21C SST lines in the North Atlantic are still essentially "flat" by latitude.

Quoting AstroHurricane001:


I'd say it's the fact that the northern bulge in warm water south of the Gulf Stream disappeared in mid-January, as the North Atlantic Gyre slowed down and storms in the Northwest Atlantic forced the water southward on their west side.



That makes sense, just take a look at this satellite photo of the latest southern snowstorm as it parts off of the east U.S. coast.
Its hard to get temperatures more that 5-10 degrees below average here because of the water. like on the 11th we had a record low temperature of 51.6F even that was with squally showers and hurricane force winds.

This has been the coldest, and windiest winter here since I have been alive - not that its been all that cold, just that its been below average for such a long time.
Antarctic Sea Ice extent:





Notice how there's very little ice in Pine Island Bay, and almost none west of the Antarctic Peninsula where there should seasonally be ice partly stretching across coastal West Antarctica.
Such a square storm..
Quoting StSimonsIslandGAGuy:
Not even a flurry for me! And flurries happened in Jacksonville, FL at 2 a.m. this morning!


That's strange. Sorry for my forecast bust; I observed soundings that favored snow and they didn't come into fruition for you
If you guys are interested, I've got a weather mystery associated with last night's winter storm I can't figure out.

I've got two radar images on my blog post, one from 2:32 AM EDT, a second from 3:23 AM EDT. The snow shield was retreating eastward and things were coming to an end, and then BAM, a snow band from nowhere explosively develops.

It wasn't like the snow band moved into radar range from the west. The snow band popped out of nowhere not only from the Raleigh, NC radar, but also on the Blacksburg, VA radar and upstate SC radar. Plus, we don't live anywhere near the Great Lakes or a large body of water where a snow band can pop up off of. Anyone got ideas?
It was nuts:

2:32 AM EDT Raleigh, NC Radar


3:23 AM EDT Raleigh, NC Radar


You would think I swtiched the times on the radar, but honestly, this happened last night.
52. XLR8
If anyone would like to take a look I have some new pics on the snow at my house in Fannin, MS (central MS) from yesterday.
Drak I know you did your best :)

It was most disappointing. At 9 p.m there was rain and snow solid to below the FL/GA border and back to west of Valdosta---looked like solid precip for hours and hours! Then---between 9 and 10 the precip shield got ratty and full of holes, and by 10:15 it was all gone---before we were able to fall to freezing. It was 36.7 at our house when the rain stopped. A batch of flurries formed over the Okeefenokee Swamp around 1 a.m. last night---whipped southeast over Jacksonville and missed us. Durn. Rich was soooooo disappointed!
Anyone got El Nino numbers? Thanks.
It was nuts

maybe, maybe not...certainly wasn't the sunlight...

(runs away, choking with laughter)
Quoting StSimonsIslandGAGuy:
Drak I know you did your best :)

It was most disappointing. At 9 p.m there was rain and snow solid to below the FL/GA border and back to west of Valdosta---looked like solid precip for hours and hours! Then---between 9 and 10 the precip shield got ratty and full of holes, and by 10:15 it was all gone---before we were able to fall to freezing. It was 36.7 at our house when the rain stopped. A batch of flurries formed over the Okeefenokee Swamp around 1 a.m. last night---whipped southeast over Jacksonville and missed us. Durn. Rich was soooooo disappointed!


I know what that's like, we've had many storms looking like they were going to deliver where I live, and then things suddenly go out. We had the complete opposite experience last night, we weren't supposed to get snow, and then 3" happened.

Forecasting is really hard. For you it looked like you had a shot, and it fizzled out. In central NC at the same time, a snow band explodes out of nowhere and tops off snow to 3". I wonder if there are explanations for why this stuff happens.
Quoting NCHurricane2009:


I know what that's like, we've had many storms looking like they were going to deliver where I live, and then things suddenly go out. We had the complete opposite experience last night, we weren't supposed to get snow, and then 3" happened.

Forecasting is really hard. For you it looked like you had a shot, and it fizzled out. In central NC at the same time, a snow band explodes out of nowhere and tops off snow to 3". I wonder if there are explanations for why this stuff happens.


I'm not sure why that occured, but I'm thinking the combination of the trough along with the moisture being compressed southeast of the Appalachians/Alleghenies?
Quoting NCHurricane2009:
Forecasting is really hard. For you it looked like you had a shot, and it fizzled out. In central NC at the same time, a snow band explodes out of nowhere and tops off snow to 3". I wonder if there are explanations for why this stuff happens.

Maybe high upper winds brought suddently colder air or something like this. Climate change means more variability.
Quoting CybrTeddy:
Anyone got El Nino numbers? Thanks.


By my own estimates, the anomaly in the Nino 3.4 region is at about +1.3C. However the biggest anomaly is from 150 - 100W, 30 - 70S. NOAA graphs below:

Quoting drg0dOwnCountry:

Maybe high upper winds brought suddently colder air or something like this. Climate change means more variability.


I think climate change may first increase variability in all directions, then the average warming starts to accelerate in intensity and brings the extremes along with it.
I think that the climate time scale can explain generic trends like why there is so much snow in the eastern United States this winter. Personally, I am not sure if it can explain things like snow bands suddenly forming or disappearing in storms, that to me seems to be more on the mesoscale time scale (something like why a thunderstorm pop us here, dies there, etc.)
From Wikipedia:
"Mesoscale meteorology is the study of weather systems smaller than synoptic scale systems but larger than microscale and storm-scale cumulus systems. Horizontal dimensions generally range from around 5 kilometers to several hundred kilometers. Examples of mesoscale weather systems are sea breezes, squall lines, and mesoscale convective complexes."

"Climate encompasses the statistics of temperature, humidity, atmospheric pressure, wind, rainfall, atmospheric particle count and numerous other meteorological elements in a given region over long periods of time."
Quoting AstroHurricane001:


Thanks. I will write a blog containing this information soon as well. Notice again how the 19C-21C SST lines in the North Atlantic are still essentially "flat" by latitude.



Those anomalies in the Tropical Atlantic are above average.That may be a good fuel comming hurricane season.
Quoting AstroHurricane001:


I think climate change may first increase variability in all directions, then the average warming starts to accelerate in intensity and brings the extremes along with it.
But it follows some principles. for example the NAO climate shifts with northern hemisphere all the way snowy. Looking at worldwide weather events there is clearly an uptake currently of severe weather events of historical proportions. What i tried to say was, that it also effects on small scale.

I think the SW Indian ocean is in for some more storms
speaking of more storms another snow storm Mon to Tues More snow days off from school
Quoting all4hurricanes:

I think the SW Indian ocean is in for some more storms
speaking of more storms another snow storm Mon to Tues More snow days off from school
ya more to come models show even bigger system by this time next weekend in the GOM as well so we are not done yet and maybe far from it shift should begin after 25 with a slow rising storm track to lead us into march and end of winter and beginning of spring patterns
Quoting Tropicsweatherpr:


Those anomalies in the Tropical Atlantic are above average.That may be a good fuel comming hurricane season.


Also: Link, Link
Y'all are crazy.

1. I thought the expectation according to the Cangnon paper was that central areas of the country would have less snow (as stated in the same paper that says more snow for the east coast and was used as such to say that "storms like this will be more frequent in a warming world"). Dallas is not east coast... not even close.

2. The NAO/AO, PDO, Nino combination brings moisture and cold. Simple, really, but the last time we had a combination close to this? Guess. (Hint: Could be associated with the last time such and such a place had this snowy a winter...you know winter 77-78...even Ft. Lauderdale got flurries that year.)

3. SSIGG has been awfully quiet about his well-known snow records for the deep south since the hardly-discernable AGW-snow link has been bandied about in here...and, of course, weather is not climate, but whatever the scenario was that brought Beaumont, TX (30 miles from the Gulf) 30 inches in one 24 hour period in 1895, we have rather clearly warmed some since then.

If the snow in the south is included in a hardly functional AGW-snow link, how could one justify incredible snow totals when we were cooler and as a result of warming...at least logically. I know the water vapor thing is about to be thrust upon us again, how much less was there in 1895?

4. The whole thing has the appearance of grasping for straws...

5. There is not an acceptable amount of data.

6. What is the real trend, both continental and regionally? I haven't the foggiest and it is quite a reach to pretend anyone does.

7. "More heavy snowstorms occur in warmer-than-average years", but this winter in the US has been anything but. So which is it? This winter's snows are a sign of some sort despite being cooler than average, or we had a very snowy winter that does not fit in with that trend? Cannot be both given the observations of the last 2+ months.

Even averaging in November, this doesn't give the impression of warmer than average for the US, as a whole, and really only works for the northern tier and areas below average far exceed that above average.



shaker in south pacific

5.2
Date-Time Saturday, February 13, 2010 at 23:14:35 UTC
Saturday, February 13, 2010 at 04:14:35 PM at epicenter
Time of Earthquake in other Time Zones

Location 36.736S, 110.373W
Depth 9.8 km (6.1 miles)
Region SOUTHERN EAST PACIFIC RISE
Distances 1065 km (660 miles) S of Hanga Roa, Easter Island
3615 km (2240 miles) WSW of SANTIAGO, Chile

Location Uncertainty horizontal /- 35.1 km (21.8 miles); depth /- 6.6 km (4.1 miles)
Parameters NST= 55, Nph= 55, Dmin=>999 km, Rmss=0.83 sec, Gp=191,
M-type=body wave magnitude (Mb), Version=6
Source USGS NEIC (WDCS-D)


Event ID us2010srb8
Quoting atmoaggie:
Even averaging in November, this doesn't give the impression of warmer than average for the US, as a whole, and really only works for the northern tier and areas below average far exceed that above average.


Your arguments and the grafic is pure cherry picking aggie. december was a cold anomalie in the us and made history.

For the record and science, look at the science.

Record high temperatures far outpace record lows across U.S.

Spurred by a warming climate, daily record high temperatures occurred twice as often as record lows over the last decade across the continental United States, new research shows. The ratio of record highs to lows is likely to increase dramatically in coming decades if emissions of greenhouse gases continue to climb.
http://climateprogress.org/2010/02/11/science-meehl-ncar-record-high-temperatures-record-lows/
Quoting drg0dOwnCountry:

Your arguments and the grafic is pure cherry picking aggie. december was a cold anomalie in the us and made history.

For the record and science, look at the science.

Record high temperatures far outpace record lows across U.S.

Spurred by a warming climate, daily record high temperatures occurred twice as often as record lows over the last decade across the continental United States, new research shows. The ratio of record highs to lows is likely to increase dramatically in coming decades if emissions of greenhouse gases continue to climb.
http://climateprogress.org/2010/02/11/science-meehl-ncar-record-high-temperatures-record-lows/

Huh? We are talking about this winter. I give you temps for this winter to go along with the snow interest this winter and you give surface station decadal records?

Either you haven't been reading or need to look up some words.
Quoting atmoaggie:

Huh? We are talking about this winter. I give you temps for this winter to go along with the snow interest this winter and you give surface station decadal records?

Either you haven't been reading or need to look up some words.

But you use these weather anomalies and throw in your climate thoughts. Twisting things. Either stay on topic (Rightnow you claim weather) or climate. For the climate part i just hinted the longterm trend to you.
A little more:

The Changnon paper: "A spatially oriented temporal analysis was performed for storm frequencies during the first 50 yr and the last 50 yr of the twentieth century. This division was performed because most structural designs and operations to address heavy snowstorms have been based on data available since 1950 (American Society of Civil Engineers 2000, Changnon and Changnon 2005). This raises the question of the representativeness of the 1951-2000 values for addressing future conditions. Hence, the newly available storm data for 1901-50 were useful for comparing and assessing the 1951-2000 values.
The national totals showed that 103 stations had their highest values in 1901-50, 98 stations peaked during 1951-2000, and 30 had values that were equal."

Nationally, you've got to be joking if you try to squeeze a trend of the 5 more peak snowstorm totals in one 50-year period (though it is the one of fewer locations inhabited by fewer people) vs another.

So, the data says nothing. Let's break it up into regions and ignore the caveats.

The result, as published in the paper looks like this:



This plot shows which of the 2 50-year periods had more frequent snow storms...ummm, problem, it fits notatall with the point Dr. M is using it for. It literally says that more frequent snowstorms have occurred in the latter half of the 20th century for the Appalachians, New England, and Chicagoland.

More frequent snow storms were 1901-50 for the snowiest parts of this winter...the Sierra Nevadas, southern Plains, mid Atlantic.

While being statistically very marginal, don't think this paper supports the notion that a warming effect would lead to the conditions we have seen this winter whatsoever.
Quoting drg0dOwnCountry:

But you use these weather anomalies and throw in your climate thoughts. Twisting things. Either stay on topic (Rightnow you claim weather) or climate. For the climate part i just hinted the longterm trend to you.

Doing exactly that has been the blog topic for the last 3 posts. I am giving my impressions of the blog topic and it's discussion. Is that a problem or should I be a little less on topic?

Since you are in this mood, maybe now would be a good time to read Dr. M's post.
Quoting atmoaggie:So, the data says nothing. ...ummm, problem, it fits notatall with the point Dr. M is using it for.

Aggie your statement is twisting the facts and the paper you try to discredit here.
Which point exactly you talking about aggie?


The authors found that over the U.S. as a whole, there had been a slight but significant increase in heavy snowstorms of 6 inches than in 1901 - 2000
From Jeff Masters blog.

A climatological analysis of snowstorms across the contiguous United States, based on data from 1222
weather stations with data during 1901%u20132001, defined the spatial and temporal features. The average annual
incidence of events creating 15.2 cm or more in 1 or 2 days, which are termed as snowstorms, exhibits great
spatial variability.


Temporal and Spatial Characteristics of Snowstorms in the Contiguous United States



What are the variations and changes occurring in Earth's climate?

Variability. Perhaps the most well understood occurrence of climate variability is the naturally occurring phenomenon known as the El Nio-Southern Oscillation (ENSO), an interaction between the ocean and the atmosphere over the tropical Pacific Ocean that has important consequences for weather around the globe. The ENSO cycle is characterized by coherent and strong variations in sea-surface temperatures, rainfall, air pressure, and atmospheric circulation across the equatorial Pacific. El Nio refers to the warm phase of the cycle, in which above-average sea-surface temperatures develop across the east-central tropical Pacific. La Nia is the cold phase of the ENSO cycle. The swings of the ENSO cycle typically occur on a time scale of a few years. These changes in tropical rainfall affect weather patterns throughout the world. Because of the importance of ENSO, NOAA has established a special ocean - atmosphere observing system in the tropical Pacific; this enables forecasts of El Nio to be made several seasons in advance.

Climate variability is manifested in other ways as well. Decadal and seasonal shifts in wind patterns and sea surface temperatures in the Atlantic cause changes in hurricane frequency, for example. Sometimes climate varies in ways that are random or not fully explainable. The Dust Bowl of the 1930s in the United States is one such example. Because of the social and economic importance of understanding such climate fluctuations, NOAA routinely monitors past and current climate. Many of the longer period fluctuations are linked to the ocean. NOAA with its international partners is implementing a new global ocean observing system. This will lead to new understanding which will improve our predictions of climate variability and change.
http://www.oar.noaa.gov/climate/t_observing.html
Quoting atmoaggie:

Since you are in this mood, maybe now would be a good time to read Dr. M's post.

Maybe Mr. Overdoubter wants to read his own post in 68 again. You twisting climate with weather anomalies in post 68.
toronto ontario
feb snow total 7 cm
jan snow total 8 cm
dec snow total 15 cm

total for winter of 2010 so far 30 cm 12 inches
total on ground trace amounts to 1 inch
we are in a snow drought


Someone could use a little attitude training...
Quoting atmoaggie:


Someone could use a little attitude training...
adjusting may be in order or a real good kick in the pants
Climate Change Puts Ecosystems on the Run
Wednesday, December 23, 2009
Global warming is causing climate belts to shift toward the poles and to higher elevations. To keep pace with these changes, the average ecosystem will need to shift about a quarter mile each year, says a new study led by scientists at the Carnegie Institution. For some habitats, such as low-lying areas, climate belts are moving even faster, putting many species in jeopardy, especially where human development has blocked migration paths.

“Expressed as velocities, climate-change projections connect directly to survival prospects for plants and animals. These are the conditions that will set the stage, whether species move or cope in place,” says study co-author Chris Field, director of the Carnegie Institution’s Department of Global Ecology. Field is also a professor of biology and of environmental Earth system science at Stanford University and a senior fellow at Stanford’s Woods Institute for the Environment.

The research team, which included researchers from the Carnegie Institution, Stanford University, the California Academy of Sciences, and the University of California, Berkeley, combined data on current climate and temperature gradients worldwide with climate model projections for the next century to calculate the “temperature velocity” for different regions of the world. This velocity is a measure of how fast temperature zones are moving across the landscape as the planet warms―and how fast plants and animals will need to migrate to keep up.
http://www.ciw.edu/news/climate_change_puts_ecosystems_run
Jeff Masters sets record straight on Milbank’s column
If political reporters are going to cover climate science, they need to take more care
http://climateprogress.org/2010/02/13/jeff-masters-sets-the-record-straight-on-dana-milbanks-column /
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
toronto ontario
feb snow total 7 cm
jan snow total 8 cm
dec snow total 15 cm

total for winter of 2010 so far 30 cm 12 inches
total on ground trace amounts to 1 inch
we are in a snow drought


And meanwhile, the AO is pushing the snow south so that the Northeast gets all of OUR snow and the big storms keep missing us.

Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
adjusting may be in order or a real good kick in the pants


The first one is not easy to do and the second one is illegal (or should be).
In 1848 the Donner party attempted to cross the Sierra near the path of old highway 40.
They got stuck on the Eastern side with 22 foot snow depth in and around Donner Lake.

I've been skiing in the Sierra since the mid 1950s. There has never been a snowy winter that matched that depth. Perhaps 1982 came close and I recall stories of immense snow depths in the 1930s but have no knowledge of those.

I am of the opinion that natural variation and sunspot cycles are of much more significant influence on snow depths than any other cause.
Anyway, enjoy the snow as it won't last very long. I am hopeful that El Nino will finally deliver some good old fashioned powder storms like the ones we used to get in the 70s, 80s, and 90s. So far this El Nino has done very little for the Northern Sierra this winter.
Quoting drg0dOwnCountry:
Jeff Masters sets record straight on Milbank’s column
If political reporters are going to cover climate science, they need to take more care
http://climateprogress.org/2010/02/13/jeff-masters-sets-the-record-straight-on-dana-mil banks-column /


I was thinking that when I was reading Doc Masters comments. These are washington reporters, guys who live in a world of cherry picking quotes out of context to mean anything they want, not what was intended by their authors.
bad hurricane season for nola not good
Quoting xcool:
bad hurricane season for nola not good


You mean the 2010 hurricane season? I'm thinking more Florida, Carolinas, and lower Northeast.
Quoting indianrivguy:


Well be glad, you didn't have to eat any Democrats...


EAT?! Democrats??? HISTORY
AstroHurricane001 im. think more from nola to f.l high risk .imo
nola snow 1963 then 1965 hurricane .that HISTORY.
Quoting AstroHurricane001:


EAT?! Democrats??? HISTORY
At least the catholic search supports science, when it comes to sustain our environment.
So what is this coming hurricane season gonna produce. My concern is for the Cape Verde storms.
Quoting xcool:
nola snow 1963 then 1965 hurricane .that HISTORY.


OK, but that's a span of two years. Is there a place where I can compare winter weather patterns and SSTs to hurricane seasons past?
Quoting AstroHurricane001:


EAT?! Democrats??? HISTORY


oops, got the Donner and Alferd Packer parties confused.. Packer was the only Republican. The first Democratic dinner.
AstroHurricane001 oh ,try google.???
Good golly, ya think ya can jump into a fun blog again with all that is going on, and what do we have? GHeeze!!!



Quoting msphar:
So what is this coming hurricane season gonna produce. My concern is for the Cape Verde storms.


I'm likely going to discuss my predictions for the hurricane season in a future blog post, but basically I'm calling for strange storms in strange locations at strange times of year. Also, we could have Caribbean storms early in the season, possibly as early as late June. The south and east North Atlantic are currently warmer than average and this warm anomaly is the result of the slowing North Atlantic Gyre, and as the year progresses this anomaly will shift westwards into the Caribbean.
I just noticed something, one time on WeatherUnderground and once on Accuweather, that after typing in the address I'm led to a Computer Online Scan website that falsely claims that your computer is infected.
Quoting AstroHurricane001:
I just noticed something, one time on WeatherUnderground and once on Accuweather, that after typing in the address I'm led to a Computer Online Scan website that falsely claims that your computer is infected.

If there is any possibility that banner ads are hijacking your intended URL, the firefox add on Ad Block Plus would thoroughly stop any ad from loading, much less doing anything.

(This doesn't apply if you are a paid member and, thus, immune from ads.)

If spyware/malware already on your machine is doing it, hijackthis ought to find it and fix. (be very careful with this, it WILL delete what you tell it to, even if a OS reinstall is required as the end result to put back what you should not have deleted...not for the novice user...a little scary for most advanced users.)
102. xcool
hijackthis best
Quoting AstroHurricane001:
I just noticed something, one time on WeatherUnderground and once on Accuweather, that after typing in the address I'm led to a Computer Online Scan website that falsely claims that your computer is infected.



Hopefully you did not click on anything on the popup. That could be a problem.

Hopefully, your AV is up to date.

That potentially malicious item can do great harm.

Many times those load a Trojan loader, which funnels problems to your PC. Get busy with your AV or go to a site like Symantec.com and do an online free scan.



101:

I doubt it could be already on the computer, because it was from two different weather websites on two different computers (at different locations).
Last 7 days' snowfall, cumulative:

Last 7 days cumulative snowfall for Penn. Interesting how east and west of the mountainous center of that state have much higher totals than the middle...



Ehh, I guess the western high snow totals did fall on the western parts of the mountains.

So much for sticking to the subject proposed at the intro.
Quoting AstroHurricane001:
101:

I doubt it could be already on the computer, because it was from two different weather websites on two different computers (at different locations).


Just in case, you might want to check this.

http://www.2-spyware.com/remove-antivirus-2008-xp.html
Quoting AstroHurricane001:
I just noticed something, one time on WeatherUnderground and once on Accuweather, that after typing in the address I'm led to a Computer Online Scan website that falsely claims that your computer is infected.
be careful with that it could be fatal for your system
if you click on anything that says ok or cancel it downloads and destroys your system files to make operating system useless
i know it has happen to me back in aug sept had to do a reformat and complete factory reset to get rid of it
offline for over 36 hrs tryin to figure out what went wrong did a complete wipe in the end lost all my links and data i now have backups of my links but the data was lost forever
also have complete protection from bell sympatico sercurity services all options for extra protection nothing gets in now nothing or no one
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
be careful with that it could be fatal for your system
if you click on anything that says ok or cancel it downloads and destroys your system files to make operating system useless
i know it has happen to me back in aug sept had to do a reformat and complete factory reset to get rid of it
offline for over 36 hrs tryin to figure out what went wrong did a complete wipe in the end lost all my links and data i now have backups of my links but the data was lost forever
also have complete protection from bell sympatico sercurity services all options for extra protection nothing gets in now nothing or no one


Words of wisdom. Always back up your data and export your favorites to a file. Many forget those links that they commonly use. I would offer this also. I maintain an external drive case (2.5" and 3.5" -- $10 for the 2.5"-- Ebay). If I have a problem, I can pull the drive and use it as a USB drive via another PC. I can scan it accordingly as such for problems. Clean it and put it back. That does not work for everything, but has worked in the past. Just my take... :)
Ski resorts in North Carolina must be loving all this snow.

Appalachian Ski Mtn, North Carolina
Base Snow: 82 - 116"


With more snow Sunday PM up to half a foot and another area of interest in the GOM next weekend.
Quoting Walshy:
Ski resorts in North Carolina must be loving all this snow.

Appalachian Ski Mtn, North Carolina
Base Snow: 82 - 116"


With more snow Sunday PM up to half a foot and another area of interest in the GOM next weekend.


Wonder when they last had so much. Looks like you took your avatar in the last storm there. :)
Ossqss

ya i also have a pc doctor bootable recovery cd with all links and my tropical blog and winter blog html code on that backup as well
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
Ossqss

ya i also have a pc doctor bootable recovery cd with all links and my tropical blog and winter blog html code on that backup as well


Your way ahead of the game as usual keeper :)

It is time for a Tall cool one and time to lighten up a bit EH! Have a good one all! L8R

Time for the Olympics for me >>>>>

atmostaggie, comment 68:

3. SSIGG has been awfully quiet about his well-known snow records for the deep south since the hardly-discernable AGW-snow link has been bandied about in here...and, of course, weather is not climate, but whatever the scenario was that brought Beaumont, TX (30 miles from the Gulf) 30 inches in one 24 hour period in 1895, we have rather clearly warmed some since then.

What? I've not been quiet about anything or afraid to express my opinion. Do you have a question for me atmoaggie?
I must also point out that my current blog entry, that Mike posted more than 2 hours before atmoaggie made the above comment, discusses the record snows in the Dallas area.
And as for others I have disagreed with, they may use many words to describe me, but not even those who most disagree with me would call Mike and I quiet.
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
be careful with that it could be fatal for your system
if you click on anything that says ok or cancel it downloads and destroys your system files to make operating system useless
i know it has happen to me back in aug sept had to do a reformat and complete factory reset to get rid of it
offline for over 36 hrs tryin to figure out what went wrong did a complete wipe in the end lost all my links and data i now have backups of my links but the data was lost forever
also have complete protection from bell sympatico sercurity services all options for extra protection nothing gets in now nothing or no one

I have all my links and data copied to a usb thumb drive. I have my HD partitioned, I have a 20GB HD which I run Windows from, I do a weekly back up to another 880GB HD. I would be lost if I lost my links.
Is this photo from the Dr's blog unusual, or does it normally snow so close to large bodies of water?

Sneaux in McComb,Miss around 11 pm Thursday night.

I finally got to make an Angel in da Sneaux

snow accumulating like that on the beaches from South Carolina down through the Gulf Coast is extremely unusual.
Quoting StSimonsIslandGAGuy:
snow accumulating like that on the beaches from South Carolina down through the Gulf Coast is extremely unusual.
yeah has to do with the prevailing storm track but that slowly starts to change starting 11 to 13 days from now
125. xcool
more snow may be on the way to L.A
126. XLR8
Check out my photos got some up of the snow on 02/12/10 in Fannin, MS
the triple tone
128. XLR8
Yard is a mess now....I have had my fill of snow now no more for Mississippi please :)
Quoting Patrap:
Sneaux in McComb,Miss around 11 pm Thursday night.

I finally got to make an Angel in da Sneaux




Quoting xcool:
more snow may be on the way to L.A

Now do you mean Lower Alabama or Louisiana

minds are wondering????
131. xcool
NEW ORLEANS OR M.S
Quoting xcool:
NEW ORLEANS OR M.S


Ok Good I'm not mad at all after being in E-Town Kentuckyand snow for a week.... They can have it for sure....

Taco :0)
133. xcool
lol
You see xcool I drove up to Elizabethtown KY in a snow storm on Monday the 9th... Then drove back to Mobile in a snow storm yesterday so they can have it for real.... LOL
135. xcool
snow kind fun .does anyone what year use for 2010 hurricane ???? email
Cloudsat just left of center of RENE.
Quoting StSimonsIslandGAGuy:
snow accumulating like that on the beaches from South Carolina down through the Gulf Coast is extremely unusual.
I wonder what will happen to those plants.
STS-130 live stream here
Deluge brings flash flooding to NSW


There has been flash flooding in western New South Wales following heavy rainfall over the weekend.

In the state's far west, falls of up to 120 millimetres were recorded overnight, and the central west has also had heavy rain.

SES spokesman Phil Campbell says he has responded to about 40 calls for help in the Lachlan district around Parkes and Forbes.

"There has been a request for the SES regarding a house with around 60 centimetres of water through it about 20 kilometres from Condobolin," he said.

"The SES has also undertaken near Forbes the rescue of a person from a motor vehicle caught in floodwaters."

Far west region controller for the SES, Graham Craig, says two groups of people are currently being evacuated from two properties between White Cliffs and Wilcannia.

"We're relocating two groups of people. We've got one family of five that are being relocated from a property that's incurred some water damage to another property nearby also owned by them," he said.

"The other group of people is a group of four workmen that have been isolated on a property they were working on and they'll be taken to a nearby town."

Meanwhile, in Canberra, heavy rain has finally eased off, but the Bureau of Meteorology says there is still a minor flood warning for the Molonglo River.

- ABC
Sydney braces for flash flooding


Sydney-siders should be prepared for more possible flash flooding tonight as thunderstorms move across New South Wales.

The Bureau of Meteorology says a rain band will cross from the north-west of the state to the south-east, bringing falls of up to 100 millimetres in some areas and possible flash flooding.

Forecaster Chris Webb says tonight Sydney could be inundated like it was on Friday.

"There's still an element of doubt about it, but we think there there's the risk of later on today, particularly late afternoon and evening, some localised thunderstorms and maybe some heavy rainfall associated with those," he said.

"So we're just keeping an eye out for some local flooding late today in Sydney."

The State Emergency Service says it received 29 calls for help across New South Wales last night.

- ABC
Extreme winds to affect the southeast


Parts of New South Wales and Victoria are bracing for more wild weather, which will bring storm force winds, dangerous surf and heavy rain.

A low which has been drowning parts of New South Wales will push south and east before deepening off the southern coast tonight through Monday.

As the low deepens it will send dangerous conditions over Victoria and southeast NSW. Coastal areas between Lakes Entrance and Gabo Island could even see storm force winds rising in excess of 90km/h.

It will not only be the wind wreaking havoc over coastal regions but a large swell will hammer the coastline, causing beach erosion. The Vic coast will see swells as high as five to eight metres and for the NSW coastline south of Ulladulla swells will rise to five metres.

While this may provide great surf conditions, inexperienced surfers may find themselves in deep water with the large waves breaking hard.

Exposed areas over inland parts of southeast NSW and eastern VIC could also see winds gusting in excess of 90km/h.

Heavy rain will also be driven over the region with some areas likely to see in excess of 50mm, with the highest amounts over East Gippsland.

- Weatherzone
Canberra soaking in heaviest rain in eight years


Canberra is soaking in it's heaviest rain in eight years with 57mm falling in the last 24 hours.

Since early Saturday morning 68mm has fallen in the nation's capital leading to flash flooding.

It's been similarly wet right across the ACT. Tuggeranong in the south has picked up 64mm since early Saturday.

Rain will continue to come down during most of Sunday, so another 30 to 60mm is possible. This could lead to further flooding.

This will turn out to be one of the wettest weekends in decades.

Only light showers are possible on Monday and Tuesday and it will then dry out for the rest of the week.

- Weatherzone
143. IKE
Are you kidding me?


Presidents Day
Mostly cloudy with rain or snow in the morning...then becoming partly cloudy in the afternoon. Little or no snow accumulation. Highs 46 to 50. Northwest winds around 15 mph. Chance of precipitation 80 percent.
Can't sleep. Think I'm getting sick with sore throat and stuffed nose.
No wonder with these temps!
Daytona Beach (Ponce Inlet), FL, Daytona Beach, Florida (PWS)
Updated: 1 sec ago
35.1 %uFFFDF

Scattered Clouds
Windchill: 35 %uFFFDF
Humidity: 87%
Dew Point: 32 %uFFFDF
Wind: 0.0 mphfrom the West
Wind Gust: 2.0 mph
Pressure: 30.07 in (Rising)
Visibility: 10.0 miles
UV: 0 out of 16
Clouds: Scattered Clouds 25000 ft
(Above Ground Level)
Elevation: 12 ft

Hopefully, the folks camping out at the Daytona 500 have heaters!
Wasn't dressed warmly enough or sitting in a cold theatre watching Avatar yesterday. Entertainment with a social message. How refreshing.
Doesn't mean all military operations are bad, by any means, but thought they did a good job showing how clumsy (understated) this approach can be.
145. IKE
AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BIRMINGHAM AL
413 AM CST SUN FEB 14 2010

.DISCUSSION...

RUNNING LATE...SO WILL BE AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE...

INTERESTING CLIPPER OR REALLY HYBRID-CLIPPER SYSTEM MAKING ITS WAY
SOUTH AT THE MOMENT AND WILL BRING WHAT IS LOOKING MORE AND MORE
LIKE A SIGNIFICANT SNOW TO A GOOD PORTION OF THE SOUTHEAST.
HERE
IN CENTRAL ALABAMA...THIS THING HAS BEEN A HEADACHE TO FORECAST AS
NUMERICAL MODELS WERE ALL OVER THE PLACE WITH REGARDS TO THE
AMOUNT OF PRECIP THAT WOULD FALL...NOT TO MENTION WHEN AND WHERE
THE CHANGEOVER FROM RAIN TO SNOW WOULD OCCUR. HOWEVER...I WAS MUCH
MORE SATISFIED WITH A NUMBER OF THE 0Z MODELS...WHICH ARE SEEMINGLY COMING
INTO BETTER AGREEMENT...ESPECIALLY WITH REGARDS TO PRECIPITATION.

THIS CLIPPER SYSTEM IS SOMEWHAT OF A HYBRID...DUE TO THE WEAK
SURFACE CYCLOGENESIS THAT TAKES PLACE OUT AHEAD OF THE MAIN
STRENGTHENING UPPER CLOSED LOW. THIS IN EFFECT WILL CREATE A
DECENT AREA OF WARM TEMPERATURE AND MOISTURE ADVECTION AS IT
BRIEFLY TAPS INTO THE GULF AIRMASS. THIS WILL AID IN SIGNIFICANT
AMOUNTS OF PRECIPITATION OVER THE AREA. ALL AREAS ARE EXPECTED TO
BEGIN AS RAIN...BUT RATHER QUICKLY TRANSITION TO ALL SNOW AS WE GO
INTO THE OVERNIGHT PERIOD TONIGHT. COLD AIR WILL FILTER INTO THE
BACKSIDE OF THE BEST LIFT CLOSE TO MIDNIGHT AND A BRIEF...YET
SIGNIFICANT SNOW IS EXPECTED AS THE PRECIP MASS EXITS TO THE EAST
TOWARDS DAY BREAK. SPEAKING OF LIFT...CONTINUE TO BE EXTREMELY
IMPRESSED WITH THE VERTICAL MOTIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS SYSTEM
AND COUPLED WITH THE STEEP LAPSE RATES ALOFT...THUNDER SNOW WILL
POSSIBLY BE IN THE CARDS.
THIS CAN LEAD TO QUICK
ACCUMULATIONS...AND WILL LIKELY BE THE CASE ALONG THE NORTHERN
FRINGES OF THE CWA. THE MOST SIGNIFICANT SNOW AMOUNTS WILL BE
ALONG THE HIGHER ELEVATIONS IN NORTHEAST ALABAMA WHERE THE LIFT
WILL BE COUPLED WITH THE TERRAIN. ELSEWHERE...I FEEL IN A
CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE...1 TO 2 INCHES WILL BE POSSIBLE FROM THE
BHM AND TCL METRO AREAS NORTH. AREAS SOUTH...WILL LIKELY REMAIN IN
ADVISORY CATEGORY SEEING ONE QUARTER TO 1 INCH OR SO. THE
TRANSITION FROM RAIN TO SNOW MAY BE A TAD SLOWER IN THESE AREAS.
AT THIS POINT I WOULD GO OUT ON A LIMB AND SAY THAT MOST PLACES IN
CENTRAL ALABAMA WILL SEE A BRIEF CHANGEOVER...EVEN AS FAR SOUTH AS
TROY WITH MINIMAL ACCUMULATIONS. WILL LEAVE THE DAY CREW WITH THOUGHTS OF
POSSIBLY EXTENDING BOTH THE WARNING AND ADVISORY FURTHER SOUTH AS
NEWER INFO DICTATES.
Quoting IKE:
AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BIRMINGHAM AL
413 AM CST SUN FEB 14 2010

.DISCUSSION...

RUNNING LATE...SO WILL BE AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE...

INTERESTING CLIPPER OR REALLY HYBRID-CLIPPER SYSTEM MAKING ITS WAY
SOUTH AT THE MOMENT AND WILL BRING WHAT IS LOOKING MORE AND MORE
LIKE A SIGNIFICANT SNOW TO A GOOD PORTION OF THE SOUTHEAST.
HERE
IN CENTRAL ALABAMA...THIS THING HAS BEEN A HEADACHE TO FORECAST AS
NUMERICAL MODELS WERE ALL OVER THE PLACE WITH REGARDS TO THE
AMOUNT OF PRECIP THAT WOULD FALL...NOT TO MENTION WHEN AND WHERE
THE CHANGEOVER FROM RAIN TO SNOW WOULD OCCUR. HOWEVER...I WAS MUCH
MORE SATISFIED WITH A NUMBER OF THE 0Z MODELS...WHICH ARE SEEMINGLY COMING
INTO BETTER AGREEMENT...ESPECIALLY WITH REGARDS TO PRECIPITATION.

THIS CLIPPER SYSTEM IS SOMEWHAT OF A HYBRID...DUE TO THE WEAK
SURFACE CYCLOGENESIS THAT TAKES PLACE OUT AHEAD OF THE MAIN
STRENGTHENING UPPER CLOSED LOW. THIS IN EFFECT WILL CREATE A
DECENT AREA OF WARM TEMPERATURE AND MOISTURE ADVECTION AS IT
BRIEFLY TAPS INTO THE GULF AIRMASS. THIS WILL AID IN SIGNIFICANT
AMOUNTS OF PRECIPITATION OVER THE AREA. ALL AREAS ARE EXPECTED TO
BEGIN AS RAIN...BUT RATHER QUICKLY TRANSITION TO ALL SNOW AS WE GO
INTO THE OVERNIGHT PERIOD TONIGHT. COLD AIR WILL FILTER INTO THE
BACKSIDE OF THE BEST LIFT CLOSE TO MIDNIGHT AND A BRIEF...YET
SIGNIFICANT SNOW IS EXPECTED AS THE PRECIP MASS EXITS TO THE EAST
TOWARDS DAY BREAK. SPEAKING OF LIFT...CONTINUE TO BE EXTREMELY
IMPRESSED WITH THE VERTICAL MOTIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS SYSTEM
AND COUPLED WITH THE STEEP LAPSE RATES ALOFT...THUNDER SNOW WILL
POSSIBLY BE IN THE CARDS.
THIS CAN LEAD TO QUICK
ACCUMULATIONS...AND WILL LIKELY BE THE CASE ALONG THE NORTHERN
FRINGES OF THE CWA. THE MOST SIGNIFICANT SNOW AMOUNTS WILL BE
ALONG THE HIGHER ELEVATIONS IN NORTHEAST ALABAMA WHERE THE LIFT
WILL BE COUPLED WITH THE TERRAIN. ELSEWHERE...I FEEL IN A
CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE...1 TO 2 INCHES WILL BE POSSIBLE FROM THE
BHM AND TCL METRO AREAS NORTH. AREAS SOUTH...WILL LIKELY REMAIN IN
ADVISORY CATEGORY SEEING ONE QUARTER TO 1 INCH OR SO. THE
TRANSITION FROM RAIN TO SNOW MAY BE A TAD SLOWER IN THESE AREAS.
AT THIS POINT I WOULD GO OUT ON A LIMB AND SAY THAT MOST PLACES IN
CENTRAL ALABAMA WILL SEE A BRIEF CHANGEOVER...EVEN AS FAR SOUTH AS
TROY WITH MINIMAL ACCUMULATIONS. WILL LEAVE THE DAY CREW WITH THOUGHTS OF
POSSIBLY EXTENDING BOTH THE WARNING AND ADVISORY FURTHER SOUTH AS
NEWER INFO DICTATES.


WOW THUNDER SNOW
147. IKE
Mobile, AL. forecast...

Tonight: Rain likely before 3am, then rain and snow likely. Cloudy, with a low around 34. South wind 5 to 15 mph becoming northwest. Chance of precipitation is 70%. New snow accumulation of less than a half inch possible.
148. IKE
Winter Weather Advisory
Alert:

..WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY IN EFFECT FROM MIDNIGHT TONIGHT TO 9 AM
CST MONDAY FOR INLAND SOUTHEAST MISSISSIPPI...SOUTHWEST ALABAMA...AND
THE WESTERN FLORIDA PANHANDLE...


.A LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM OVER SOUTHEAST MISSOURI WILL MOVE EAST ACROSS
THE OHIO RIVER VALLEY REGION THROUGH NOON ON MONDAY. A STRONG COLD
FRONT WILL APPROACH THE ADVISORY AREA FROM THE NORTHWEST THIS
EVENING...AND SWEEP THROUGH THE AREA FROM MIDNIGHT TONIGHT TO 900 AM
MONDAY MORNING. THERE WILL BE ADEQUATE MOISTURE FOR RAIN TO DEVELOP
THIS EVENING JUST AHEAD OF THE COLD FRONT...AND THEN TRANSITION TO A
MIX OF RAIN AND SNOW AFTER MIDNIGHT AS THE COLD AIRMASS PUSHES
THROUGH. TEMPERATURES COULD BE COLD ENOUGH AROUND DAYBREAK FOR THE
MOST OF THE PRECIPITATION NORTH OF I-10 TO FALL COMPLETELY AS SNOW.
THE PRECIPITATION WILL MOVE EAST OF THE AREA BY 900 AM MONDAY.

...WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY IN EFFECT FROM MIDNIGHT TONIGHT TO
9 AM CST MONDAY...

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN MOBILE HAS ISSUED A WINTER WEATHER
ADVISORY FOR LIGHT SNOW...WHICH IS IN EFFECT FROM MIDNIGHT TONIGHT TO
900 AM CST MONDAY.
A LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM OVER SOUTHEAST MISSOURI WILL MOVE EAST ACROSS
THE OHIO RIVER VALLEY REGION THROUGH MONDAY MORNING. A STRONG COLD
FRONT WILL APPROACH THE ADVISORY AREA FROM THE NORTHWEST THIS
EVENING...AND THEN SWEEP THROUGH THE AREA BETWEEN MIDNIGHT TONIGHT
AND 900 AM MONDAY MORNING.
THERE WILL BE ADEQUATE MOISTURE FOR RAIN TO DEVELOP THIS EVENING
JUST AHEAD OF THE COLD FRONT...AND THEN TRANSITION TO A MIX OF RAIN
AND SNOW AFTER MIDNIGHT AS THE COLD AIRMASS PUSHES THROUGH THE AREA.
TEMPERATURES COULD BE COLD ENOUGH LATE TONIGHT AND EARLY MONDAY
MORNING FOR THE MOST OF THE PRECIPITATION NORTH OF I-10 TO FALL
COMPLETELY AS SNOW.
SNOW ACCUMULATIONS WILL RANGE FROM ONE TO TWO INCHES NORTH OF A
WIGGINS MS...BAY MINETTE AL...GREEN BAY AL LINE...WITH LESSER AMOUNTS
FURTHER TO THE SOUTH. UP TO ONE-HALF INCH OF SNOW COULD FALL AS FAR
SOUTH AS THE I-10 CORRIDOR...WITH JUST A DUSTING SOUTH OF I-10. BEST
ACCUMULATIONS WILL OCCUR ON GRASSY AREAS AND ELEVATED SURFACES. ANY
STANDING WATER OR WET SPOTS LEFT ON BRIDGES AND OVERPASSES
NORTHWEST OF I-65 COULD FREEZE...CAUSING ICY SLICK SPOTS THROUGH
SUNRISE MONDAY MORNING.
THE PRECIPITATION IS EXPECTED TO END ACROSS SOUTHEAST MISSISSIPPI
AND SOUTHWEST ALABAMA BY DAYBREAK...AND AND ACROSS SOUTH CENTRAL
ALABAMA AND THE WESTERN FLORIDA PANHANDLE BY 900 AM MONDAY.

Instructions: A WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY MEANS THAT PERIODS OF SNOW...SLEET...OR FREEZING RAIN WILL CAUSE TRAVEL DIFFICULTIES. BE PREPARED FOR SLIPPERY ROADS AND LIMITED VISIBILITIES...AND USE CAUTION WHILE DRIVING.
Target Area:
Choctaw
Washington
Clarke
Wilcox
Monroe
Conecuh
Butler
Crenshaw
Escambia
Covington
Upper Mobile
Upper Baldwin
Lower Mobile
Lower Baldwin
Inland Escambia
Coastal Escambia
Inland Santa Rosa
Coastal Santa Rosa
Inland Okaloosa
Coastal Okaloosa
Good morning everybody, 26.9*F in Macon Georgia this morning. Could not believe our local forecast for Bibb County:

Today
Mostly sunny. Highs in the upper 40s. Southwest winds 5 to 15 mph.
» ZIP Code Detail

Tonight
Rain and snow after midnight. Snow accumulation up to 1 inch. Lows in the mid 30s. Southwest winds 5 to 15 mph. Chance of precipitation near 100 percent.

Presidents Day
Rain and snow in the morning...then mostly sunny with a slight chance of rain in the afternoon. Little or no snow accumulation. Highs around 40. West winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of precipitation 80 percent.
150. IKE
AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MOBILE AL
550 AM CST SUN FEB 14 2010

.SHORT TERM [TODAY AND TONIGHT]...A SURFACE LOW MOVES FROM THE
CENTRAL PLAINS EASTWARD ACROSS THE LOWER MISSISSIPPI VALLEY THIS
MORNING THEN CONTINUES EASTWARD THROUGH TONIGHT, BRINGING A COLD
FRONT THROUGH THE FORECAST AREA. POPS ABOVE 70 PERCENT TO FALL AS
RAIN BEFORE MIDNIGHT AND BECOME A MIX SHORTLY THEREAFTER JUST BEHIND
THE FROPA. MODEL SOUNDINGS AND 850 TO 700 MB THICKNESSES LOOK TOO
COLD FOR SLEET OR FREEZING RAIN, THAT IS, WE CANNOT FIND A WARM
LAYER. PER THE GFS THE LAYER WILL COOL AFTER MIDNIGHT TONIGHT WITH
1000-850 MB THICKNESSES RANGING FROM 1300M NEAR DESTIN TO 1275 WELL
INLAND BY 12Z MONDAY, AS PRECIPITATION ALONG THE FRONT MOVES THROUGH.
THE RAIN CHANGES TO A SNOW/RAIN MIX OVER THE FORECAST AREA AND FOR
ACCUMULATION, THE GFS CALCULATED AROUND A HALF INCH AS FAR SOUTH AS
THE INLAND PORTION OF THE COASTAL COUNTIES INCREASING TO JUST THREE
INCHES NORTH OF NORTHERN CHOCTAW AND NORTHERN WILCOX COUNTIES. WE
DETERMINED THAT SNOWFALL IN THE NORTHERN CWA WOULD LIKELY NOT EXCEED
2 INCHES AND THUS WOULD DOWNPLAY A NEED FOR A WINTER STORM WARNING
AGAIN. THEREFORE WE ISSUED A WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY FOR THE ENTIRE
CWA FOR SNOW RANGING FROM 2 INCHES NORTH TO A HALF INCH ALONG I-10.
SREF ALSO SHOWS SNOW LIKELY MAINLY JUST BEFORE 12Z MONDAY, BUT THAT
DOES INCLUDE OUR FLORIDA COUNTIES, THROUGH 18Z. THE SREF
CALCULATIONS DO NOT FORECAST FREEZING RAIN NOR A WINTRY MIX TYPE
PRECIP. SURFACE TEMPERATURES DURING THE PRECIPITATION WILL BE IN THE
MID THIRTIES SUGGESTING THAT SNOW COULD MELT ON IMPACT DUE TO THE
WARM GROUND ESPECIALLY ROADS. /77
I have my Network cam up and running, it can be found at here.
Cheers
152. P451
Quoting Ossqss:



Hopefully you did not click on anything on the popup. That could be a problem.

Hopefully, your AV is up to date.

That potentially malicious item can do great harm.

Many times those load a Trojan loader, which funnels problems to your PC. Get busy with your AV or go to a site like Symantec.com and do an online free scan.





Yep. Never touch the popup. Don't even click the supposed red X to close the popup window. Many of these are manipulated and when you click on it you're essentially answering the vital question windows asks you "Do you want to install this click yes to install this".

And, you've just let the trojan in.

What you do when you encounter such popups is CTRL-ALT-DELETE and terminate IE or Firefox. This way you're free and clear. I wouldn't even right-click and choose close window on your task bar for the popup. Some are so ingenious that that will infect you as well.

Terminate the application manually. And you'll be just fine.

And godforbid if you ever though you just screwed up and infected your computer do not reboot. Scan the hell out of it and delete all your caches. For it's the reboot that manifests the virus and also plants the seeds that allows it to reinstall itself even after you think you've gotten it.

I also don't understand why people don't use firefox with adblocker.

Quoting P451:


Yep. Never touch the popup. Don't even click the supposed red X to close the popup window. Many of these are manipulated and when you click on it you're essentially answering the vital question windows asks you "Do you want to install this click yes to install this".

And, you've just let the trojan in.

What you do when you encounter such popups is CTRL-ALT-DELETE and terminate IE or Firefox. This way you're free and clear. I wouldn't even right-click and choose close window on your task bar for the popup. Some are so ingenious that that will infect you as well.

Terminate the application manually. And you'll be just fine.

And godforbid if you ever though you just screwed up and infected your computer do not reboot. Scan the hell out of it and delete all your caches. For it's the reboot that manifests the virus and also plants the seeds that allows it to reinstall itself even after you think you've gotten it.

I also don't understand why people don't use firefox with adblocker.


I have firefox with adblocker
154. IKE
Special Weather Statement
Alert:

...POTENTIAL FOR A BRIEF PERIOD OF SNOW MONDAY...

A STRONG COLD FRONT WILL CROSS THE AREA MONDAY MORNING. A BAND OF
RAIN WILL ACCOMPANY THE FRONT THROUGH EARLY AFTERNOON WITH LOW
LEVEL COLD AIR RAPIDLY SPILLING INTO THE REGION. THERE IS NOW THE
POSSIBILITY FOR THE RAINFALL TO MIX WITH OR CHANGE TO SNOW FOR A
TIME BEFORE THE PRECIPITATION ENDS. THE MOST LIKELY LOCATIONS TO SEE
THIS BRIEF CHANGE TO SNOW ARE NORTH OF A LINE FROM DE FUNIAK
SPRINGS AND MARIANNA IN THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE...TO THOMASVILLE AND
TIFTON IN GEORGIA. THE FURTHER NORTH AND WEST ONE TRAVELS THE
CHANCES FOR A SMALL ACCUMULATION OF SNOWFALL INCREASES. CONFIDENCE
IN ACCUMULATING SNOW IS NOT HIGH AT THIS TIME...HOWEVER IF THE
TREND TOWARD COLDER CONDITIONS CONTINUES...THEN A WINTER WEATHER
ADVISORY MAY BECOME NECESSARY FOR MONDAY.

IF A CHANGE TO SNOW DOES OCCUR...THE MOST LIKELY TIMING WOULD BE
AROUND...OR SHORTLY AFTER SUNRISE MONDAY MORNING TO THE WEST OF
DOTHAN AND MARIANNA...AND THEN EXPANDING EASTWARD ACROSS SOUTHWEST
GEORGIA THROUGH THE MORNING HOURS. THE PRECIPITATION SHOULD END
WEST OF THE CHATTAHOOCHEE AND APALACHICOLA RIVERS BY MIDDAY...AND
BY MID AFTERNOON ACROSS SOUTHERN GEORGIA.
PERSONS ACROSS THE INLAND FLORIDA PANHANDLE...SOUTHEAST ALABAMA
AND SOUTHERN GEORGIA ARE ASKED TO REMAIN ALERT TO THE LATEST
FORECASTS WITH RESPECT TO THIS POTENTIAL WINTER WEATHER EVENT.
ANOTHER ARCTIC AIRMASS WILL ARRIVE BEHIND THE FRONT BY LATE
MONDAY. TEMPERATURES MONDAY NIGHT ARE EXPECTED TO DROP INTO THE
20S WITH WIND CHILL VALUES REACHING THE UPPER TEENS AFTER MIDNIGHT
AND EARLY TUESDAY MORNING.

Instructions:
Target Area:
Coffee
Dale
Henry
Geneva
Houston
Inland Walton
Coastal Walton
Holmes
Washington
Jackson
Bay
Calhoun
Gulf
Franklin
Gadsden
Leon
Jefferson
Madison
Liberty
Wakulla
Taylor
Lafayette
Dixie
g'morning WU-Bloggers...

ike- again?
Quoting aquak9:
g'morning WU-Bloggers...

ike- again?

Good evening
157. IKE
Quoting aquak9:
g'morning WU-Bloggers...

ike- again?


LOL....we'll see.

Accuweather and TWC don't have any in their forecast for me.
hi aussie! a good morning here- was sunday a good day? I hope so, it's still ahead of me.

Ike- nuthin' but dry and cold for my area. Sigh...could be worse I suppose.

SnowHog.
Quoting aquak9:
hi aussie! a good morning here- was sunday a good day? I hope so, it's still ahead of me.

Ike- nuthin' but dry and cold for my area. Sigh...could be worse I suppose.

SnowHog.

Sunday was a rainy day


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obviously it's dark there now, Aussie. I read your posts, lotta rain. Feel free to send it, uhm, well all the way around to the other side of the earth.

I like rain.
Quoting aquak9:
obviously it's dark there now, Aussie. I read your posts, lotta rain. Feel free to send it, uhm, well all the way around to the other side of the earth.

I like rain.

I like the rain to, but February is the humidity month, always high humidity. I went for a shower about 7pm tonight. i was in the bedroom getting dressed and I started sweating again, i felt as if i hadn't dried off yet.
Here we go agian Ike!
163. IKE
Quoting PensacolaDoug:
Here we go agian Ike!


LOL...round 2.
get to the store and pack up 45 f very sunny e cen florida you all heard of al gore's igloo some congressmens family built on the capital grounds?
This system is a "clipper" right? Never heard of a clipper-type system bring precip this far south ever..
In reference to the OP, I wonder which is better: warming or cooling? It strikes me that cooling could lead to shorter growing seasons and famine.

I also wonder why this hasn't been addressed as far as I have read the comments:

The academic at the centre of the ‘Climategate’ affair, whose raw data is crucial to the theory of climate change, has admitted that he has trouble ‘keeping track’ of the information.

Colleagues say that the reason Professor Phil Jones has refused Freedom of Information requests is that he may have actually lost the relevant papers.

Professor Jones told the BBC yesterday there was truth in the observations of colleagues that he lacked organisational skills, that his office was swamped with piles of paper and that his record keeping is ‘not as good as it should be’.

The data is crucial to the famous ‘hockey stick graph’ used by climate change advocates to support the theory.

Professor Jones also conceded the possibility that the world was warmer in medieval times than now – suggesting global warming may not be a man-made phenomenon.

And he said that for the past 15 years there has been no ‘statistically significant’ warming.

167. IKE
Quoting PensacolaDoug:
This system is a "clipper" right? Never heard of a clipper-type system bring precip this far south ever..


Me neither.
Quoting bophame:
I also wonder why daily mail hasn't been addressed as far as I have read the comments:
Because the daily mail twisted it
Read the ORIGINAL Q&A here


Q&A: Professor Phil Jones

Phil Jones is director of the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) at the University of East Anglia (UEA), which has been at the centre of the row over hacked e-mails.

The BBC's environment analyst Roger Harrabin put questions to Professor Jones, including several gathered from climate sceptics. The questions were put to Professor Jones with the co-operation of UEA's press office.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8511670.stm
167. IKE 2:03 PM GMT on February 14, 2010
Quoting PensacolaDoug:
This system is a "clipper" right? Never heard of a clipper-type system bring precip this far south ever..


Me neither.



I Triple that.....born and raised in Indiana i use to hear them all the time.....but Florida NEVER. Happy Valentines Day everyone!
OH ya and even more Important HAPPY HAPPY NASCAR and Daytona Sunday! Let's go racin boys!
171. IKE
12Z NAM at 30 hours...

Look how the brutally cold air heads toward the Northern US toward the end......OH NO!



Here comes the clipper heading south...


Quoting TampaSpin:
You all have to look at these forecasted Snowfall models....i have them all grouped together.....HOLLY COW!


LoL, make it stop Tampa. Time to move south I think..... :)

Quoting Ossqss:


LoL, make it stop Tampa. Time to move south I think..... :)



I guess we could move a few hundreds yards further south......but it appears that won't help too much.

ONE THING i am in fear of....and many will find me crazy here but, another very large earthquake coming to the Northern Hemisphere....it seems to always happen after an event like this ......it has in history also.
177. IKE
AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE TALLAHASSEE FL
952 AM EST SUN FEB 14 2010

.UPDATE...THE MORNING SURFACE ANALYSIS SHOWED HIGH PRESSURE
CENTERED OVER THE LOCAL FORECAST AREA AND A COLD FRONT TO THE WEST
APPROACHING THE LOWER MS VALLEY. CLEAR SKIES COMBINED WITH LIGHT
WINDS WITH THE HIGH CENTERED OVERHEAD LEAD TO IDEAL RADIATIONAL
COOLING THROUGH THE OVERNIGHT HOURS AND DAYBREAK THIS MORNING. LOW
TEMPERATURES RANGED FROM 24 DEGREES AT THE TALLAHASSEE AIRPORT TO
THE UPPER 20S OVER SOUTHEAST ALABAMA AND SOUTHERN GEORGIA. HIGH
PRESSURE IN PLACE WILL SHIFT EAST AS THE PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED COLD
FRONT CONTINUES TO TRANSLATE EAST TOWARD THE AREA THROUGH TONIGHT.
AS A RESULT...RETURN FLOW OFF THE GULF WILL LEAD TO SLIGHTLY
WARMER CONDITIONS THROUGH MONDAY. HIGHS ARE FORECAST TO REACH THE
UPPER 50S THIS AFTERNOON WITH LOWS EXPECTED IN THE UPPER 30S TO
LOWER 40S TONIGHT. THE MAIN CONCERN AS THIS FRONT APPROACHES AND
MOVES THROUGH THE AREA TONIGHT AND MONDAY WILL BE THE POTENTIAL
FOR RAIN CHANGING OVER TO SNOW ON THE BACK-END EARLY MONDAY
MORNING THROUGH THE EARLY AFTERNOON HOURS OVER SOUTHEAST ALABAMA
AND SOUTHWEST GEORGIA. BUFKIT MODEL SOUNDINGS FROM DOTHAN TO
ALBANY SHOW THIS POTENTIAL FAIRLY WELL BEGINNING AROUND THE MID-
MORNING HOURS MONDAY OVER SOUTHEAST ALABAMA...THEN INTO THE LATE
MORNING AND EARLY AFTERNOON HOURS OVER SOUTHWEST GEORGIA OR WEST
OF ALBANY. IF THE AFTERNOON GUIDANCE PACKAGE CONTINUES TO INDICATE
THIS POSSIBILITY...THE SPECIAL WEATHER STATEMENT CURRENTLY IN
PLACE MAY NEED TO BE UPDATED TO A WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY.
ANY
ACCUMULATIONS THAT DUE OCCUR WILL BE VERY LIGHT COMPARED TO THE
PREVIOUS EVENT.
Quoting TampaSpin:


I guess we could move a few hundreds yards further south......but it appears that won't help too much.

ONE THING i am in fear of....and many will find me crazy here but, another very large earthquake coming to the Northern Hemisphere....it seems to always happen after an event like this ......it has in history also.


We don't need another very large earthquake. See comment I just posted on Portlight blog Link

This is a report by our local physicians who just returned from Haiti. Too much still to do there.
180. IKE
Quoting GrtLksQuest:


We don't need another very large earthquake. See comment I just posted on Portlight blog Link

This is a report by our local physicians who just returned from Haiti. Too much still to do there.


I read that. Terrible situation there and it doesn't read like there's enough doctors to take care of the injured and sick.
Quoting TampaSpin:


I guess we could move a few hundreds yards further south......but it appears that won't help too much.

ONE THING i am in fear of....and many will find me crazy here but, another very large earthquake coming to the Northern Hemisphere....it seems to always happen after an event like this ......it has in history also.


Tim, can you give me a source on that, I'd be interested to learn more.
181, there is a study in this article relating to it with respect to typhoons. If you think about the way water behaves as influenced by low pressure, it kinda makes some sense that plates would be impacted to some degree by low pressure also. Just a pondering take :)

http://www.nytimes.com/cwire/2009/11/20/20climatewire-how-storms-can-trigger-earthquakes-28304.html

I should also note that the Cuba region had a 5.4 quake on Friday.

Quoting StSimonsIslandGAGuy:
atmostaggie, comment 68:

3. SSIGG has been awfully quiet about his well-known snow records for the deep south since the hardly-discernable AGW-snow link has been bandied about in here...and, of course, weather is not climate, but whatever the scenario was that brought Beaumont, TX (30 miles from the Gulf) 30 inches in one 24 hour period in 1895, we have rather clearly warmed some since then.

What? I've not been quiet about anything or afraid to express my opinion. Do you have a question for me atmoaggie?

Okay. Well, I see you did a write up that I had not seen before I posted this (I don't often cruise all of the blogs...whom has that much time?)

I was remarking that Dr. M has been posting about snowfall trends and the frequency of snowstorms in certain areas, yet no one had brought up the record snowfalls along the western north gulf coast.

No, you aren't very quiet...
;-)


Valentine's Day & (Blog) Peace Erasers
Anyone giving any thought to what happens when all that snow melts? Are we looking at serious flooding events?
Thanks Ossqss, I appreciate the link!
If you look at the Unisys thickness contour ("snow line" at 5400')
http://weather.unisys.com/upper_air/ua_con_thick.gif
...looks like snow will come a good way South.
Quoting Nimitz:
Anyone giving any thought to what happens when all that snow melts? Are we looking at serious flooding events?


Not seeing it short-term. Long-term, I don't know. Haven't heard anything "in the wind," e.g., we all knew in advance there'd be flooding in North Dakota last year. But I'm no expert and not well "plugged-in."

Suppose a lot of it matters on how fast goes the warm-up. (Reminder to myself to be careful what I pray for!)

NWS river/flood gauges
It seems there is the potential for some brief snow showers across the deep south Monday morning. Thickness values on the 1000mb-500mb chart indicated a thickness of 540dm stretching down towards the coast as a vigorous longwave trough and clipper system advects eastward. Things will intially start out as rain and then change over to a rain/snow mix to snow. Not looking for any significant accumulations as the models are generally showing trace amounts in Louisiana and the majority of Mississippi. Accumulations between 1-3 inches will be possible east of Birmingham along I-59 and around Auburn along I-85 stretching up into Atlanta. Northern portions of Mississippi, Alabama, and Georgia could receive 2-4 inches.



Quoting Drakoen:
It seems there is the potential for some brief snow showers across the deep south Monday morning. Thickness values on the 1000mb-500mb chart indicated a thickness of 540dm stretching down towards the coast as a vigorous longwave trough and clipper system advects eastward. Things will intially start out as rain and then change over to a rain/snow mix to snow. Not looking for any significant accumulations as the models are generally showing trace amounts in Louisiana and the majority of Mississippi. Accumulations between 1-3 inches will be possible east of Birmingham along I-59 and around Auburn along I-85 stretching up into Atlanta.





Thank You for the info..... I do want to say, this has been the craziest weather pattern I have been in.... I just donot beleive this has ever happen before.... Snow in Dallas(12.5) all the way to the Outer Banks in Carolina...... It is unheard of for sure....
Now a second chance will be coming in tonight and tomorrow....

Taco :0)
Holy cow, I've never heard of an Alberta Clipper system bringing snow to the US deep south but not Southern Ontario...EVER. I think the entire Arctic airmass is being dislocated due to the current oscillation anomaly. Tornado season and hurricane season this year will be very strange, indeed.
After 3 inches of snow in Macon, GA on Friday, WU is calling for an 80% chance of snow with about an inch of accumulation tonight and tomorrow. I don't see other sites agreeing with this, there is no winter weather advisory issued for us, and I think we are too far east.

Is what WU is saying likely to happen?
Now this is what I call an EPIC snowstorm for S. Ontario on the 1st of March:

Quoting taco2me61:


Thank You for the info..... I do want to say, this has been the craziest weather pattern I have been in.... I just donot beleive this has ever happen before.... Snow in Dallas(12.5) all the way to the Outer Banks in Carolina...... It is unheard of for sure....
Now a second chance will be coming in tonight and tomorrow....

Taco :0)


and by next weekend, it appears another southern streamer will dump snow for the Southeast and Southcentral states(possibly even the Florida Panhandle)!
Quoting NCHurricane2009:
Whoo, got into the snow last night too in Raleigh. Wasn't expecting it since forecasters said the storm would stay south of us, but we got 3" (but its melting fast now). Looked like the storm was exploding over the coast of NC, anyone from eastern NC here posting?


Yep, I live between New Bern and Havelock. We got about 5-6" of heavy white stuff. I think some ice pellets may have mixed in as well.
That clipper is diggin in incredibly far south. It's diving almost due south, incredible.
Quoting HurricaneSwirl:
After 3 inches of snow in Macon, GA on Friday, WU is calling for an 80% chance of snow with about an inch of accumulation tonight and tomorrow. I don't see other sites agreeing with this, there is no winter weather advisory issued for us, and I think we are too far east.

Is what WU is saying likely to happen?


Yes you can check TWC and see that Atlanta to the Gulf Coast is underweather advisories.... Now am I saying it is going to happen? Not sure but we here in Mobile are under that same advisory..... And that is "Crazy"....

Taco :0)
196. Does that mean better chance of snow for the south, or just better chance of precipitation for the south?
197.

We aren't under that same advisory though. It doesn't go far enough south to reach macon so I'm a little iffy on this one so far. It does, however, reach mobile and the FL panhandle.
Quoting AwakeInMaryland:


Not seeing it short-term. Long-term, I don't know. Haven't heard anything "in the wind," e.g., we all knew in advance there'd be flooding in North Dakota last year. But I'm no expert and not well "plugged-in."

Suppose a lot of it matters on how fast goes the warm-up. (Reminder to myself to be careful what I pray for!)

NWS river/flood gauges


Well, I've seen the pictures of widespread snow pack, and its got to melt someday. When it does, "something" is gonna have to give. It's a LOT of water in the solid state just waiting to be warmed up.
This is from the Mobile area....... with a high temp of 56 dgrees today.....


Statement as of 5:23 AM CST on February 14, 2010


... Winter Weather Advisory in effect from midnight tonight to
9 am CST Monday...

The National Weather Service in Mobile has issued a Winter Weather
Advisory for light snow... which is in effect from midnight tonight to
900 am CST Monday.

A low pressure system over southeast Missouri will move east across
the Ohio River valley region through Monday morning. A strong cold
front will approach the advisory area from the northwest this
evening... and then sweep through the area between midnight tonight
and 900 am Monday morning.

There will be adequate moisture for rain to develop this evening
just ahead of the cold front... and then transition to a mix of rain
and snow after midnight as the cold airmass pushes through the area.
Temperatures could be cold enough late tonight and early Monday
morning for the most of the precipitation north of I-10 to fall
completely as snow.

Snow accumulations will range from one to two inches north of a
Wiggins MS... Bay Minette al... Green Bay al line... with lesser amounts
further to the south. Up to one-half inch of snow could fall as far
south as the I-10 corridor... with just a dusting south of I-10. Best
accumulations will occur on grassy areas and elevated surfaces. Any
standing water or wet spots left on bridges and overpasses
northwest of I-65 could freeze... causing icy slick spots through
sunrise Monday morning.

The precipitation is expected to end across southeast Mississippi
and southwest Alabama by daybreak... and and across south central
Alabama and the western Florida Panhandle by 900 am Monday.

Precautionary/preparedness actions...

A Winter Weather Advisory means that periods of snow... sleet... or
freezing rain will cause travel difficulties. Be prepared for
slippery roads and limited visibilities... and use caution while
driving.

202. beell
Most of the moisture for the I-10 coast will be associated with the frontal passage. Quickly followed by a dry slot and deep layer W/NW flow.
No surface low in/near the GOM this time around. No mechanism in place for wrap-around.

By the time the meager amount of rain changes to snow it will be over.

The snow should remain tied to the track of the mid-level low farther N.



(maybe)
Quoting beell:
Most of the moisture for the I-10 coast will be associated with the frontal passage. Quickly followed by a dry slot and deep layer W/NW flow.
No surface low in/near the GOM this time around.

By the time the meager amount of rain changes to snow it will be over.

The snow should remain tied to the track of the mid-level low farther N.



(maybe)


LOL I like the last part "Maybe"
now thats funny....
201.

Nice, looks like you're in for a second round. I hope they extend the Winter Weather Advisory. southward for us.

We just hit 51, looks like you guys just hit 52, around the same. Good thing the system is coming through at night.
205. beell
Quoting taco2me61:


LOL I like the last part "Maybe"
now thats funny....


That's the CYA part, lol.
206. IKE
Accuweather and TWC still don't mention any snow from Defuniak Springs to Mobile,AL. for tonight or Monday morning.

Hard to see it happening. It's approaching 60 degrees here. Beautiful day.
Quoting IKE:
Accuweather and TWC still don't mention any snow from Defuniak Springs to Mobile,AL. for tonight or Monday morning.

Hard to see it happening. It's approaching 60 degrees here. Beautiful day.


Yeah, I don't see them mentioning any snow south of maybe... Columbus and Auburn maybe?
Quoting IKE:
Accuweather and TWC still don't mention any snow from Defuniak Springs to Mobile,AL. for tonight or Monday morning.

Hard to see it happening. It's approaching 60 degrees here. Beautiful day.

I here ya.... But all I care about is my Strawberry Plants being safe and not freezing if you know what I mean....
209. IKE
From Mobile,AL....

"AVIATION...(18Z ISSUANCE)NEXT FRONT TO MOVE OVER THE AREA TONIGHT
CURRENTLY POISED TO CROSS THE MISS DELTA REGION. THIS FRONT IS
EXPECTED TO CROSS THE FA AFTER MIDNIGHT TONIGHT. INITIAL PRECIP IS
EXPECTED TO BE RAIN...THOUGH A CHANGE OVER TO SNOW IS LIKELY OVER
MOST OF THE AREA...WITH BEST CHANCE FOR IFR CIG/VSBYS NORTH OF I-10."
NWS projected snowfall totals:

Quoting IKE:
From Mobile,AL....

"AVIATION...(18Z ISSUANCE)NEXT FRONT TO MOVE OVER THE AREA TONIGHT
CURRENTLY POISED TO CROSS THE MISS DELTA REGION. THIS FRONT IS
EXPECTED TO CROSS THE FA AFTER MIDNIGHT TONIGHT. INITIAL PRECIP IS
EXPECTED TO BE RAIN...THOUGH A CHANGE OVER TO SNOW IS LIKELY OVER
MOST OF THE AREA...WITH BEST CHANCE FOR IFR CIG/VSBYS NORTH OF I-10."


Thats why I say it is so "Crazy" we are close to 60 degrees now with some high clouds coming through.... but over all a very Beautiful Day here....

Taco :0)
212. IKE
Still don't understand why the forecasts for each city are different on WU vs. what is on the NWS sight?

Here's my forecast for DFS,FL on WU....Presidents Day
Mostly cloudy with a 50 percent chance of rain and snow in the morning...then partly cloudy in the afternoon. Highs 46 to 50. Northwest winds around 15 mph.

From NWS...Presidents' Day: Rain likely, possibly mixing with snow after 8am, then gradually ending. Cloudy, then gradually becoming mostly sunny, with a high near 47. Northwest wind between 10 and 15 mph. Chance of precipitation is 60%. Little or no snow accumulation expected.
Dr. Master's glad to see you push back so forcefully against the WaPo spin on you interview.
215. beell
212. They seem almost identical, Ike
Global Warming Skeptics Lambaste Plan to Increase Funding for Climate Change Research
What, exactly, will the American taxpayer get for its global warming research dollars? The EPA is spending $43 million to implement the greenhouse-gas reporting rule, to perform regulatory work for the largest stationary sources of greenhouse gases, and to develop new standards for cars and trucks.

Research being funded at the National Science Foundation seeks to promote "discoveries needed to inspire societal actions leading to environmental and economic sustainability," according to an agency statement. The NSF's portfolio for global warming will reach $766 million.

a fact sheet from the White House Office of Management and Budget portrays the global warming funding as part of the Obama administration's new jobs-creation policy, which aims at making the U.S. "the world leader in developing the clean energy technologies that will lead to the industries and jobs of tomorrow."
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/02/11/obama-spending-increase-global-warming-research/


Saudi Arabia to Replace Oil with Sun Power for Desalination Plants

Much of this may be changing, however, as Saudi Arabia is now interested in using solar energy to provide the power needed, instead of oil. According to an article on the UAE Top News media site, the Kingdom is now planning to build solar energy based desalination plants in order to save on energy costs, as well as be in tune with new environmental polices. This might be to secure membership in the International Renewable Energy Agency, otherwise known as IRENA.

Saudi Finance Minister Ibrahim Al Assaf said “desalination is our strategic choice to supply an adequate supply of drinking water to people across the Kingdom.”

He added that by using solar energy instead of oil, it will focus more on using renewable energy and even become an exporter of this clean form of energy as it has been doing with oil.

In addition to desalination, solar energy will also be supplying energy to a country which has been historically known as being a world supplier of oil, especially to countries like the US. Solar energy will eventually enable to Saudis to not only have a renewable energy source to supply their own energy needs but will significantly reduce the cost of fresh water, as well as being able to export renewable energy, as well as oil.
http://www.greenprophet.com/2010/02/01/16722/saudi-arabia-desalination-solar/


Oil Industry Ready to Work on Global Warming

“President Obama comes to office with a strong commitment to tackle climate change,” said Tony Hayward, the chief executive of BP. “Suddenly the challenges many of us have been wrestling with for a long time — the importance of energy security in providing economic security, and tackling the issue of climate change in a way that is commercially viable — are center stage.”

Exxon Mobil, which had long been skeptical of global warming, offered its own suggestions. One of the company’s top executives, Michael J. Dolan, said that Exxon would back a tax on carbon, while criticizing a so-called cap-and-trade approach.

Mr. Dolan, a senior vice president at Exxon, said that a carbon tax would be simpler and less subject to manipulation than a trading system. “A carbon tax reduces policy risks for businesses and investors in a way that cap-and-trade schemes do not,” Mr. Dolan said during his address at the industry conference, organized by Cambridge Energy Research Associates, a consulting firm.

“In addition,” he said, “by reducing other taxes — such as income or excise taxes — we can make a carbon tax revenue-neutral and offset the impact of higher taxes on the economy.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/12/science/earth/12oil.html?_r=1&ref=business


China’s renewable energy views
The price of solar energy & wind turbines is falling all over the world. There was an article recently in the New York Times which showed the role of China in all of this. The main point is that China is a world leader when it comes to the manufacture of solar panels & wind turbines. This is why it can easily achieve economies of scale and is also able to offer products at a low market price.

There are 2 consquences of this:

1. The installation of renewable sources of energy will become cheaper.
2. Competitors manufacturing in different countries around the world have problems in competing with the Chinese manufacturers.

How did China reach this position? The articles in the New Your Times said the following:

“The biggest advantage that China has over all other countries in the world is that their demand for electricity is consistently rising by 15% every year. In U.S., power companies usually have to choose between purchasing equipment for renewable energy or to continue using their fossil fuel powered plants which are already built. In China, these companies need to buy lots of equipment and the alternative sources of energy like nuclear & wind are priced very competitively.” Or, in the U.S. and in Europe, various renewable energies are having to compete with the existing power supply whereas in China they do not have to. There is more than enough space for the rapid expansion of renewable energy as well as for coal power plants. The unlimited demand needes the expansion to be across the board. Another reason for the low price is the low cost of labor in China.
http://www.biofuelswatch.com/china-renewable-energy-views/

Microsoft co-founder Gates tackling climate change

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5h_iNFAG254im4XHNHGNRIpKj6bLA

Rep. Israel pines for 'space race' enthusiasm in clean energy debate
http://thehill.com/blogs/twitter-room/other-news/78927-rep-israel-pines-for-space-race-enthusiasm-i n-clean-energy-debate
I do remember a clipper in March 2004 that went south of Savannah. However, it was all rain in the deep South.
Looks like you're under the winter weather advisory as well, IKE.
From NWS Tallahassee office:

URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE TALLAHASSEE FL
342 PM EST SUN FEB 14 2010

...A WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY IS NOW IN EFFECT FOR SOUTHEAST
ALABAMA...SOUTHWEST GEORGIA AND PORTIONS OF THE INLAND FLORIDA
PANHANDLE FROM 6 AM EST /5 PM CST/ TO 3 PM EST /2PM CST/ OR EARLY
MONDAY MORNING...

ALZ065>069-FLZ007-009-011-GAZ120>131-142>146-155>157-150900-
/O.NEW.KTAE.WW.Y.0002.100215T1100Z-100215T2000Z/
COFFEE-DALE-HENRY-GENEVA-HOUSTON-INLAND WALTON-HOLMES-JACKSON-
QUITMAN-CLAY-RANDOLPH-CALHOUN-TERRELL-DOUGHERTY-LEE-WORTH-TURNER-
TIFT-BEN HILL-IRWIN-EARLY-MILLER-BAKER-MITCHELL-COLQUITT-SEMINOLE-
DECATUR-GRADY-
INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...ENTERPRISE...OZARK...FORT RUCKER...
DALEVILLE...HEADLAND...ABBEVILLE...GENEVA...HARTFORD...SAMSON...
SLOCOMB...MALVERN...TAYLOR...ASHFORD...KINSEY...COWARTS...WEBB...
COTTONWOOD...REHOBETH...DE FUNIAK SPRINGS...HUDSON...BONIFAY...
MARIANNA...GRACEVILLE...MALONE...SNEADS...GEORGETOWN...
FORT GAINES...CUTHBERT...SHELLMAN...ARLINGTON...MORGAN...EDISON...
LEARY...DAWSON...ALBANY...LEESBURG...SMITHVILLE...SYLVESTER...
ASHBURN...TIFTON...FITZGERALD...OCILLA...DOUGLASVILLE...BLAKELY...
COLQUITT...NEWTON...CAMILLA...PELHAM...MOULTRIE...DONALSONVILLE...
BAINBRIDGE...CAIRO
342 PM EST SUN FEB 14 2010 /242 PM CST SUN FEB 14 2010/

...WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY IN EFFECT FROM 6 AM EST /5 AM CST/ TO
3 PM EST /2 PM CST/ MONDAY...

RAIN CHANCES WILL STEADILY INCREASE FROM WEST TO EAST THROUGH THE
OVERNIGHT HOURS TONIGHT AND MONDAY AS A COLD FRONT APPROACHES AND
MOVES OVER THE TRI-STATE AREA. COLD RAIN WILL BEGIN TO MIX WITH
SNOW AROUND DAYBREAK THROUGH THE EARLY TO MID-MORNING HOURS
MONDAY ACROSS SOUTHEAST ALABAMA AND THE FAR INLAND LOCATIONS OF
THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE...THEN SPREAD EAST INTO SOUTHWEST GEORGIA
THROUGH THE LATE MORNING HOURS. THERE MAY BE A BRIEF PERIOD OVER
SOUTHEAST ALABAMA FOR THE RAIN TO COMPLETELY CHANGE OVER TO SNOW
THROUGH THE EARLY MORNING HOURS MONDAY. TOTAL SNOW ACCUMULATIONS
ARE EXPECTED TO REMAIN LESS THAN AN INCH...MAINLY OVER GRASSY OR
ELEVATED SURFACES.

A WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY MEANS THAT PERIODS OF SNOW...SLEET...OR
FREEZING RAIN WILL CAUSE TRAVEL DIFFICULTIES. BE PREPARED FOR
SLIPPERY ROADS AND LIMITED VISIBILITIES...AND USE CAUTION WHILE
DRIVING.
221. IKE
Quoting quakeman55:
Looks like you're under the winter weather advisory as well, IKE.


I see it. Thanks.

Quoting IKE:


I see it. Thanks.


No prob...should be interesting. Maybe this time the snow will head far enough south to where I'll get to see more than just a few wet flakes for five minutes...if not, I'm heading north!
That clippper is just so...odd. I remember wondering what the 2004 clipper that exited the coast south of Savannah would have done if it had been 6 weeks earlier.
URGENT - WEATHER MESSAGE
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BROWNSVILLE TX
148 PM CST SUN FEB 14 2010

...CANADIAN AIR MASS TO SURGE INTO DEEP SOUTH TEXAS MONDAY...

.A COLD AND VERY DRY AIR MASS ORIGINATING FROM CENTRAL CANADA
PUSHES THROUGH DEEP SOUTH TEXAS EARLY MONDAY. STRONG NORTH WINDS
AND LIGHT RAIN ACCOMPANY THE INITIAL SURGE OF THE FRONT LATE
SUNDAY INTO MONDAY MORNING. THEN A STRONG SURFACE HIGH PRESSURE
RIDGE ADVANCES SOUTH CLEARING SKIES...USHERING IN VERY DRY AIR AND
DIMINISHING WINDS. THE COMBINATION OF THESE THREE FACTORS WILL
ALLOW FOR TEMPERATURES TO PLUMMET MONDAY NIGHT REACHING FOR
FALLING BELOW FREEZING.


that there should be "to plummet monday night reaching or fall below freezing"
225. IKE
Reading my updated forecast for Defuniak Springs,FL., it doesn't look like the snow is going to amount to much of anything.
I might be a little late but, I just realized that Chickasaw,Al is under another winter weather advisory. wth is going on with this weather pattern...
Quoting IKE:


I see it. Thanks.



The NAM 18z Bufkit is saying after 9:00am Monday morning a rain/snow mix. Things will initially start out as rain with soundings above freezing. The saturated layer will come closer to freezing with partial thickness in the 850mb-700mb layer of 1544m and 850mb-1000mb thickness; trace amounts expected.
GFS 12z Bufkit shows better soundings for snow flurries in the panhandle with a 1000mb-850mb thickness of 1299m and a insignificant warm layer between 900mb-825mb of 1C. Pwats of .5 inches in the column.
Second chance on the GA coast? After last Friday I'll believe it when I see it, but with cooling after sunset.......


The snow didn't stick here in Hurley,MS,a few big wet snow flakes.I hope I wake up in the morning and have an inch on the ground so my neices and nephews can play in it while I take pictures.
Quoting StSimonsIslandGAGuy:
Second chance on the GA coast? After last Friday I'll believe it when I see it, but with cooling after sunset.......




NAM 18z Bufkit is showing the moisture departing before temperatures are cold enough to support snow
232. IKE
Quoting Drakoen:


The NAM 18z Bufkit is saying after 9:00am Monday morning a rain/snow mix. Things will initially start out as rain with soundings above freezing. The saturated layer will come closer to freezing with partial thickness in the 850mb-700mb layer of 1544m and 850mb-1000mb thickness; trace amounts expected.


Thanks for the info. Doesn't look to amount to much. Mostly a rain event.
From the mother of love, the king of the Gods, and the young moon, a special Valentine's Day treat!

Quoting TampaSpin:


I guess we could move a few hundreds yards further south......but it appears that won't help too much.

ONE THING i am in fear of....and many will find me crazy here but, another very large earthquake coming to the Northern Hemisphere....it seems to always happen after an event like this ......it has in history also.


What "event" in history are you referring to, Tampa?
Quoting OracleDeAtlantis:


What "event" in history are you referring to, Tampa?
I think he may be refering to the madrid fault and a great quake occurring along it and it can produce an 7.5 to 8.3 or greater quake it happen before and it caused the miss. river to run backwards for a time after the event

December 16, 1811, 0815 UTC (2:15 a.m.); (M ~7.2 - 8.1[1]) epicenter in northeast Arkansas; it caused only slight damage to man-made structures, mainly because of the sparse population in the epicentral area. The future location of Memphis, Tennessee experienced level IX shaking on the Mercalli intensity scale. A seismic seiche propagated upriver and Little Prairie was heavily damaged by soil liquefaction[2]
December 16, 1811, 1415 UTC (8:15 a.m.); (M ~7.2 - 8.1) epicenter in northeast Arkansas; This shock followed the first earthquake by six hours and was similar in intensity.[1]
January 23, 1812, 1500 UTC (9 a.m.); (M ~7.0 - 7.8[1]) epicenter in the Missouri Bootheel. The meizoseismal area was characterized by general ground warping, ejections, fissuring, severe landslides, and caving of stream banks. Johnson and Schweig attributed this earthquake to a rupture on the New Madrid North Fault. This may have placed strain on the Reelfoot Fault.[2]
February 7, 1812, 0945 UTC (4:45 a.m.); (M ~7.4 - 8.0[1]) epicenter near New Madrid, Missouri. New Madrid was destroyed. At St. Louis, Missouri, many houses were severely damaged, and their chimneys were toppled. This shock was definitively attributed to the Reelfoot Fault by Johnston and Schweig. It was uplift along this reverse fault segment, in this event, that created waterfalls on the Mississippi River, disrupted the Mississippi River at Kentucky bend, created a wave that propagated upstream and caused the formation of Reelfoot Lake.[2]
The earthquakes were felt as far away as New York City and Boston, Massachusetts, where church bells rang
Remember, now, that the New Madrid fault may be weakening. Link
Very strange jet stream pattern. Usually it goes into British Columbia, northward through Alberta east of the Rockies, then continuing southeast through Saskatchewan and eastward, back south to Minnesota to the Great Lakes, then continuing northeast toward New Brunswick and Newfoundland and out to sea. This year during the current phase of the oscillations, however, it appears to be going through northern California, down to Arizona, east across the Rockies then north to the Dakotas, southeast then south through Iowa, Missouri, Alabama, then back northeast through the Appalachians, out through New Jersey, looping back north and west through Labrador, then to the south tip of Greenland and back out to sea.
238. beell
Quoting AstroHurricane001:
Very strange jet stream pattern. Usually it goes into British Columbia, northward through Alberta east of the Rockies, then continuing southeast through Saskatchewan and eastward, back south to Minnesota to the Great Lakes, then continuing northeast toward New Brunswick and Newfoundland and out to sea. This year during the current phase of the oscillations, however, it appears to be going through northern California, down to Arizona, east across the Rockies then north to the Dakotas, southeast then south through Iowa, Missouri, Alabama, then back northeast through the Appalachians, out through New Jersey, looping back north and west through Labrador, then to the south tip of Greenland and back out to sea.


Link, please...
Unilaterally, I can pretty much say that all of us from Central Florida north are pretty tired of the cold weather.
Statement as of 4:39 PM EST on February 14, 2010
... Record cool high temperature tied at Daytona Beach today...
A record cool high temperature of 55 degrees was set at Daytona Beach today. This ties the old record of 55 degrees set in 1971.
Current global SST map:



Changes, some unusual, since one week ago (this is a sneak peak to what I might put in a future blog post):


Gulf Stream: 20C+ zone diverted due east at latitude of southern Maryland, looping southeast, while the sub-15C zone directly to its north has expanded eastward as well. A <20C eddy has developed around 31N, 73W, pushing the main Gulf Stream at the longitude of eastern Cuba farther southwest. The 15C+ zone of the Gulf Stream-West Greenland diversion has shifted southeast, but the northwestern corner of the 8C line of the western current has moved farther northwest. Temperature lines of the main North Atlantic Drift from the latitude of Southern France northward have retreated, while the area west of Spitsbergen has warmed to a maximum temperature of 13C. The Loop Current in the Gulf of Mexico has strengthened and the temperature gradient at its edge has increased.

Humboldt Current: The coolest pocket of the current has warmed from 14C to 16C. The sub-20C zone has shrunken to two-thirds of its previous size. The distance between the 22C line and the coolest part of the current has halved. All SST lines from 15C to 26C west of the current and east of the ENSO warm pool extension have encroached southeastward, while all of those lines north of the current have moved southward. The sub-26C zone by the equator west of Equador has been reduced by half, while the actual equator in the eastern Pacific no longer straddles any areas below 26C. The 26C+ zone off the coast of Northern Peru has expanded southeastward. South of the main Humboldt pocket, near 42S the 13C - 15C lines have bulged slightly northward.

Indian Ocean: The main 29C zone in the central Indian Ocean has shifted northward towards India, filling part of its western coast, partly broken by a gap from the south. The 26C line in the Bay of Bengal has moved northward. The 30C+ zone west of Madagascar has expanded from nearly nonexistant at a bay in Mozambique to covering the entire region west of Madagascar, north to the Tanzania-Kenya border, east to 58E, while there are two large pockets west of Madagascar over 31C, along with the original bay in Mozambique. The 30C+ zone southwest of Sumatra has been reduced. The 30C+ zone off of Northern Australia has changed from hugging the coast, to expanding north to the island shared by Papua New Guinea and New Guinea, westward to eastern Java, and eastward to the longitude of the Eastern Solomon Islands. The 31C+ zone has expanded from occupying the southern coast of the Gulf of Carpentaria, to filling most of the gulf. The 26C+ bulge in the south central Indian Ocean has expanded east-southeastward. The 29C+ zone of the Agulhas Current has shifted from central Mozambique all the way to coastal southeastern South Africa. The warm area, now at a maximum of 14C east of the Lambert Glacier in Antarctica has remained.
Quoting beell:


Link, please...


Current jet stream pattern:



Forecast:



Ordinary El Nino - La Nina comparison:

18Z GFS expects the March 1 storm to mostly miss S. Ontario again...does it use older data?

243. beell
Thanks, Astro.

In simple terms, looks like a ridge over western NOAM and a trough in the east. Strange?
Hey Doc, it looks like the lead dog in the Global Warming pack has veered off the path. Any comments?

Link

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1250872/Climategate-U-turn-Astonishment-scientist-centre-gl obal-warming-email-row-admits-data-organised.html
If y'all thought the recent Dallas snows were monumental, check out what happened in places such as Houston and Beaumont 115 years ago today!

Link
Link
Quoting 1900hurricane:
If y'all thought the recent Dallas snows were monumental, check out what happened in places such as Houston and Beaumont 115 years ago today!

Link
Link


30"?! Wow, to see a picture from that....
hi guys come check out new blog hope we get a big nice cold front soon with lots of rain bye
250. beell
Quoting bjrabbit:
Hey Doc, it looks like the lead dog in the Global Warming pack has veered off the path. Any comments?

Link

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1250872/Climategate-U-turn-Astonishment-scientist-centre-gl obal-warming-email-row-admits-data-organised.html


Good thing the Climate Science Community does not have to comply with data management practices with a process similar to Sarbanes-Oxley. They probably never thought their work would be subject to such "Global" scrutiny 10 years ago.

Go ask Enron!
244. bjrabbit 12:15 AM GMT

Thank you for that link, BJ. More ammunition for me.

For a long time I have taken heat for my opinions on the AGW debate; a little more exoneration seems to come my way each day now.

This latest one is the best yet.
Regards.

BoynSea
168: OK. You claim that you think the Daily Mail version of the Phil Jones BBC interview is twisted. So how about an extensive set of quotations and analysis. Powerline quotes extensively from the BBC interview.

Q (BBC): Do you agree that from 1995 to the present there has been no statistically-significant global warming?

A (Phil Jones): Yes, but only just. I also calculated the trend for the period 1995 to 2009. This trend (0.12C per decade) is positive, but not significant at the 95% significance level. The positive trend is quite close to the significance level. Achieving statistical significance in scientific terms is much more likely for longer periods, and much less likely for shorter periods.

Q: There is a debate over whether the Medieval Warm Period (MWP) was global or not. If it were to be conclusively shown that it was a global phenomenon, would you accept that this would undermine the premise that mean surface atmospheric temperatures during the latter part of the 20th Century were unprecedented?

A: There is much debate over whether the Medieval Warm Period was global in extent or not. The MWP is most clearly expressed in parts of North America, the North Atlantic and Europe and parts of Asia. For it to be global in extent the MWP would need to be seen clearly in more records from the tropical regions and the Southern Hemisphere. There are very few palaeoclimatic records for these latter two regions.

Of course, if the MWP was shown to be global in extent and as warm or warmer than today (based on an equivalent coverage over the NH and SH) then obviously the late-20th century warmth would not be unprecedented. On the other hand, if the MWP was global, but was less warm that today, then current warmth would be unprecedented.

We know from the instrumental temperature record that the two hemispheres do not always follow one another. We cannot, therefore, make the assumption that temperatures in the global average will be similar to those in the northern hemisphere.


Hinderaker points out where Jones goes into how tree ring data was used until it became inconvenient in the period after 1960, because it no longer tracked with the instrumental data. That is an inconsistent application of data, and it leads me to believe on the basis of many questions raised about the data that it may well be the instrumental data that is not to be trusted.

Finally, it seems that the key question is D because Jones refers back to it several times:

Q: Do you agree that natural influences could have contributed significantly to the global warming observed from 1975-1998, and, if so, please could you specify each natural influence and express its radiative forcing over the period in Watts per square metre.

A: This area is slightly outside my area of expertise. When considering changes over this period we need to consider all possible factors (so human and natural influences as well as natural internal variability of the climate system). Natural influences (from volcanoes and the Sun) over this period could have contributed to the change over this period. Volcanic influences from the two large eruptions (El Chichon in 1982 and Pinatubo in 1991) would exert a negative influence. Solar influence was about flat over this period. Combining only these two natural influences, therefore, we might have expected some cooling over this period.

To which Hinderaker makes the following comment:

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So my question here is, what is the status of the debate on the contribution of sunspot activity to climate, and is Jones the one doing the "twisting" here?
252, 250, 244: I suggest you read the primary source at the BBC. I just posted some of the data plus analysis from Powerline.
Oh wow keeper thats quite a line of storms!
My 253 somehow lost Hinderaker's comment on question D:

In fact, solar activity has not been "about flat" over the period in question, rather it was at a higher level early in the warming period and more recently has been declining as manifested by an unusual scarcity of sunspots. Jones attributes little impact to the variations in solar output because he discounts the current theory, now being hotly debated, that cosmic rays associated with greater solar activity magnify the effect of increased solar energy by affecting cloud cover and by increasing water vapor in the atmosphere. This theory may ultimately be proved or disproved, but it is a fact, not easily dismissed by the alarmists, that for the time period or which we have records there is a close correlation between sunspot activity (a good proxy for variations in solar intensity) and temperatures on earth.

In any event, it is simply not scientific to assume that if two other factors--solar intensity and volcanoes--do not fully explain changes in temperatures, then whatever remains must be due to anthropogenic global warming. The Earth's climate system is complex and not well understood. There is no scientific basis for assuming that AGW accounts for "everything else."
258. beell
DAY 1 CONVECTIVE OUTLOOK
NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
0608 PM CST SUN FEB 14 2010

...SFC COLD FRONT
-- ANALYZED AT 23Z NEAR LINE FROM DYR-GLH-MLU-JAS-SAT-DRT -- IS FCST
TO SWEEP RAPIDLY SWD THROUGH REMAINDER S TX BEFORE ABOUT 06Z...AND
EWD ACROSS LOWER MS VALLEY. BY 12Z...FRONT SHOULD EXTEND FROM NERN
KY LOW SWD TO NEAR GA/AL BORDER THEN SWWD ACROSS WRN PORTIONS FL
PANHANDLE AND N-CENTRAL THROUGH W-CENTRAL GULF...

...MID/UPPER TX COAST TO DELTA REGION...
WIDELY SCATTERED TSTMS HAVE FORMED OVER PORTIONS LA AND COASTAL
PLAIN OF SE TX...IN COMBINED REGIME OF LOW LEVEL WAA AND SFC
DIABATIC HEATING. THIS HAS LED TO SFC TEMPS LOW 60S F IN TURN
YIELDING NARROW ZONE OF UNCAPPED/100-250 J/KG MLCAPE AHEAD OF SFC
COLD FRONT. ALTHOUGH SFC-BASED BUOYANCY WILL DIMINISH RAPIDLY AFTER
DARK...ISOLATED TSTMS MAY PERSIST EWD OVER PORTIONS ERN/SRN LA AND
MS IN ELEVATED WAA REGIME EARLY THIS EVENING. OVERALL THUNDER
POTENTIAL IS FCST TO DIMINISH MARKEDLY AFTER ABOUT 03Z.

FARTHER SW...VERY BRIEF/ISOLATED TSTMS CANNOT BE RULED OUT INVOF
LOWER TX COAST...WHERE COLD FRONT IMPINGES UPON SFC DEW POINTS UPPER
50S TO LOW 60S F AND RESIDUAL SEA BREEZE BOUNDARY. HOWEVER...SFC
COOLING...RESULTANT REDUCTION IN MLCAPE DURING TIME OF FROPA...AND
QUICK UNDERCUTTING BY POSTFRONTAL CAA WEDGE WILL LIMIT POTENTIAL FOR
SUSTAINED SFC-BASED CONVECTION. COVERAGE/DURATION SHOULD BE TOO
SMALL TO WARRANT GEN THUNDER OUTLOOK...

In any event, it is simply not scientific to assume that if two other factors--solar intensity and volcanoes--do not fully explain changes in temperatures, then whatever remains must be due to anthropogenic global warming. The Earth's climate system is complex and not well understood. There is no scientific basis for assuming that AGW accounts for "everything else."


But its weird though he would say that.

No one really said that in the first place. I mean actually you can model the predictable maximum atmospheric warming (without feedback's) by the heat retention of present gasses and their future predicted levels.

Feedback's are of course the sticker.

The powerline article is more neutral in reporting but makes some rather unscientific assumptions and associations. IMHO.

Also hes wrong about solar activity and Flux.
It is interesting to understand how many tree samples made graphs happen. Do you know how many made the hockey stick graph over time?

Then consider the definitive influence of special interest provided data (if you want to call it that) in the IPCC report and the ES. That information directly impacted governmental policy and cost everyone Trillions.

I have read and purchased more papers than I care to think about. I don't like the status of this science. It reeks of wrong doing. Peer review?

Here is an interesting paper if you like to peruse it. It is linked in this article as a PDF.

I hope we can get away from controversy and get back to science.

One of the most striking things I have viewed was the admission of Phil Jones considering suicide after the emails were released. What does that tell you?

New paper on mathematical analysis of GHG

And how about that DNA from Bugs, flora and fauna in South Central Greenland's 2,000 meter deep ice cores? Let alone tree remnants on the Northern Coast.
261. xcool
snow for slidell la wow
My cam is on. Its a beautiful clear day.

Live Video streaming by Ustream
Looks like a decent line of snow moving through AR, NW LA, and E TX as it continues to press south and east...hopefully it'll stay together long enough to press all the way through the Panhandle, even down towards the coast this time.
Quoting AussieStorm:
My cam is on. Its a beautiful clear day.

Live Video streaming by Ustream


Well are ya gonna step in front of the camera to wave to the crowd? Ya gotta bunch checkin ya out! Cmon Aussie!:)
255. bophame 1:12 AM GMT on February 15, 2010

Thank you kindly for your suggestion. However, I stopped at the "global warming high priest Phil Jones" line.

BoynSea
Quoting AussieStorm:
My cam is on. Its a beautiful clear day.

Live Video streaming by Ustream


Cool Aussie. Glad to see you got it to work. Looked earlier this morning but it was still dark. lol
Quoting Ossqss:


Well are ya gonna step in front of the camera to wave to the crowd? Ya gotta bunch checkin ya out! Cmon Aussie!:)

It's on the 1st floor, pretty hard to get in front of it unless i climb onto the neighbours roof.
Quoting PcolaDan:


Cool Aussie. Glad to see you got it to work. Looked earlier this morning but it was still dark. lol

I have moved it and will now go out and stand outside
Aussie, is that your neighbors house across the street?

LMAO posted, then saw your post 268
too funny caught it just in time

You really are you. LOL
Quoting AussieStorm:

I have moved it and will now go out and stand outside

Did you see me?


Oh well, I thought Ya might be having a bad hair day - LoL J/K
Quoting AussieStorm:

cool mate just saw ya we are getting 18 cams installed in building i look after 11 storys once the system is installed i will hook my roof cam to it and upload it as well its a big bill for system almost 25000 CAD my cost is 500 for roof cam but i will bunny hop on to the main building system as that will be installed and set up in my rental unit along side my own computer system mangement informs me that it looks like sometime in the spring it will be done i try myself but posed too big a job and too high an expense but with building installing system it will make my install and expense next to nothing
Quoting AussieStorm:

Did you see me?

Yea we did, you look taller on camera. LOL
Quoting Ossqss:


Oh well, I thought Ya might be having a bad hair day - LoL J/K

I don't have much hair to have a bad hair day.

Quoting PcolaDan:
Aussie, is that your neighbors house across the street?

LMAO posted, then saw your post 268
too funny caught it just in time

You really are you. LOL


We are in a cul-de-sac, That is one of many nieghbours.
Quoting PcolaDan:

Yea we did, you look taller on camera. LOL

I am 6'1.
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
cool mate just saw ya we are getting 18 cams installed in building i look after 11 storys once the system is installed i will hook my roof cam to it and upload it as well its a big bill for system almost 25000 CAD my cost is 500 for roof cam but i will bunny hop on to the main building system as that will be installed and set up in my rental unit along side my own computer system mangement informs me that it looks like sometime in the spring it will be done i try myself but posed too big a job and too high an expense but with building installing system it will make my install and expense next to nothing

My network camera was a freebie.
Quoting AussieStorm:

I am 6'1.


Aussie, you have over 50 folks checkin out your cam. If you can dance we can make some money for Portlight :)

Where is Press when you need him?
I am just having a look around the USTREAM site, found this live radar
And this radar.
Quoting Ossqss:


Aussie, you have over 50 folks checkin out your cam. If you can dance we can make some money for Portlight :)

Where is Press when you need him?

HAHAHA, i couldn't dance to save my life.
Quoting AussieStorm:

My network camera was a freebie.
there the best one's and it appears too work great nice fast streaming image its amazing to be able to see ya from the other side of the world we have come far in a short while with this tech age
Gold for Canada :)
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
there the best one's and it appears too work great nice fast streaming image its amazing to be able to see ya from the other side of the world we have come far in a short while with this tech age

Yep, cool aint it.
Quoting AussieStorm:

HAHAHA, i couldn't dance to save my life.


Well look here. It's not so hard, and for charity :)



Have a good night all and I hope your holiday was a good one. L8R
hey aussie i see ya have a chat area i just sign up now i can stalk ya

lol
Quoting Ossqss:


Well look here. It's not so hard, and for charity :)



Have a good night all and I hope your holiday was a good one. L8R

Holiday??? do you mean the holiday i had over christmas.
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
hey aussie i see ya have a chat area i just sign up now i can stalk ya

lol

Did you get my message to you in the chat area?
Quoting Ossqss:


Aussie, you have over 50 folks checkin out your cam. If you can dance we can make some money for Portlight :)

Where is Press when you need him?

I am recording my broadcast, once it finishes, i'll post it here so you can watch me waving to everyone again.
Wahoo looks like the northeast might finally get some much needed snow. Hope this storm tracks north to give us more snow. Any updates on how intense this storm is going to be?
Quoting AussieStorm:

Holiday??? do you mean the holiday i had over christmas.


Nope, it is Valentines Day here in the states. The day the price of roses goes up 1000 percent. I know, I had to buy some! LoL

Have a happy, out>>>>>>
Quoting Ossqss:


Nope, it is Valentines Day here in the states. The day the price of roses goes up 1000 percent. I know, I had to buy some! LoL

Have a happy, out>>>>>>

oh don't start me on Valentines Day.
Snow moving into northern Louisiana:

Aussie, how did you find that Charleston radar - Thats the radar I use on air which is where I work at WCSC. We're the CBS affiliate here in Charleston, SC.
Quoting Chucktown:
Aussie, how did you find that Charleston radar - Thats the radar I use on air which is where I work at WCSC. We're the CBS affiliate here in Charleston, SC.

That's the site my cam is on. was just doing a bit of lurking.

Off to work now, enjoy my cam.
297. beell
Light snow with a temp of 36° at 6PM in El Dorado, AR (S central, AR)
No snow in the obs at Shreveport or Monroe.

El Dorado, AR
Shreveport, LA
Monroe, LA

From NWS Jackson, MS:

298. xcool



ouch sst
Quoting beell:
Light snow with a temp of 36° at 6PM in El Dorado, AR (S central, AR)
No snow in the obs at Shreveport or Monroe.

El Dorado, AR
Shreveport, LA
Monroe, LA

From NWS Jackson, MS:



Probably Virga snow
More on the Phil Jones BBC interview.

On volcanic and solar effects:

However, Jones also noted that volcanoes should have produced cooling (and did) in the early 1980s and 1990s. He said the solar was flat. Here, it actually depends on what and whose measure of solar output you use.

Some, like Judith Lean, show flat solar output, but others like Hoyt/Schatten/Willson show an increase in line with recent decadal warming. Also, the other solar factors like ultraviolet (Shindell and Labitzke) and geomagnetic (Svensmark, Friis-Christensen), which can influence Earth’s temperature through ozone chemistry or cosmic ray cloud cover variations, were ignored by Lean and the IPCC (though they were discussed at some length in the IPCC science chapters). Scafetta and West have shown that, depending on which reconstruction is used and assuming that they are proxies for the total solar effect, you can explain up to 69% of the government (inflated) warming since 1900.


On the MWP (links removed):


The Idsos at CO2 Science have done a very thorough job documenting, using the peer review literature, the existence of a global MWP. They have found data published by 804 individual scientists from 476 separate research institutions in 43 different countries supporting the global Medieval Warm Period.
301. xcool
analog year!!!!! any one know for upcoming hurricane se????
The NAM 00z Bufkit for the Shreveport area showed an inversion layer between 950mb-850mb with a dewpoint depression of 9C near 900mb. Anything falling from the cloud is evaporating in the low level dry air.
304. beell
An inversion is temperature related. Not related to the moisture(or lack of) present.

We actually just had a few snowflakes in College Station, although very small ones and not many more than can be counted on my fingers.
Quoting beell:
An inversion is temperature related. Not related to the moisture(or lack of) present.



Inversion layer is stable and acts to suppress water vapor. The large dewpoint depression is an indication of dry air in the lower levels.
upper mobile county under a winter advisory. possible snow tonight.
308. beell
It is the dry subsident nature of the CAA coming on the NW flow behind the front that is squelching water vapor.

See post 202 if you want.
Storm is really starting to ramp it up a bit. Could be a big snow event for the northeast as long as it tracks north-northeast.
Also another look at the moisture to the north this system has to tape into.
Quoting beell:
It is the dry subsident nature of the CAA coming on the NW flow and behind the front that is squelching water vapor.


And dry air on the skew-t can be shown through the dewpoint depression as well as include an inversion. The Bufkit shows near saturation in the mid levels and then a deviation in the lower levels currently as the low level cold air advection slides eastward.
Jones recants

Link

I sent the follow to real climate; since I am not in the climate business maybe it will not be read.

Anyway, will the real scientists please stand up now?

***

I am very concerned about the climate. Sometimes I speak (for an oil and gas company) on energy efficiency in the deep south and do mention AGW and the last few months have been, well, your web page helped immensely to make sure . This entire climategate thing has been very damaging and is not good. The arctic ice melt is real and predicted by Arrhenius back around 1900; Fourier’s classic experiments in the early 1800’s are what they are. We don’t understand natural cycles.

Since Dr. McIntyre was the first to raise the issue of the sloppy science I think he should take the lead in giving the REAL AGW story.

The solution for right now?

Efficiency.

My family’s carbon footprint is less than 10 tonnes per year (family of 5). We have a hybrid SUV, for example. 35 MPG. 34 PMG on my old 1998 Escort. Poured in $30,000 into house; reduced energy costs by $1,500 a year, slam dunk 20 year payout. And then I have a roof that I don’t have to replace come 20 years. Fantastic. Helping the planet is economically fine. Don’t mind paying a few pennies extra for wind energy either.

What is not going to payout and indeed is increasing my carbon footprint right now owing to a bad installation? Solar hot water. Cost $10,000.

It could be worse…. Folks who have an electric backup for solar water…. Let’s see…. Peaking electricity is from old coal plants working at 30% efficiency, natural gas burns 2.25 times cleaner than coal on a carbon basis (not to mention other nasties), assume solar works 2/3 of the time, and I can generate heat at 83% efficiency by burning natural gas. Solar with an electric backup, except in a rare case where the backup electric power is off-grid (not the case at my home!), actually increases carbon emissions by a factor of 2 over just having a plain natural gas system with efficient insulation.

Yah, future research is very important; I work from time-to-time on carbon sequestration projects. But these are not ready for prime time.

The message has to be stop wasting energy America. Heck, independent of climate change concerns, we can focus on the ½ of the abatement curve (Pacala and Socolow) that actually MAKES money!

Since Dr. McIntyre was the initial whistle-blower (been there, done that, and I have an US SEC judgment in the matter hanging on my door at work as a trophy), I think he is in a unique position to bring to the public the REAL story about AGW.
313. beell
Well, you were the one that said it was snowing!
Quoting beell:
Well, you were the one that said it was snowing!


That is true lol! I guess I shouldn't have trusted the algorithm on the radar. I didn't even look at the surface observations. Amateur mistake.
315. beell
I do wish we had a more reliable way for us amateurs to determine if snow was making it to the ground.

And 1900 is just making that stuff up to be difficult!

(j/k)
Haha, it was so insignificant that I probably would have missed if my friend didn't call me to tell me that there were miniature snowflakes.
Does any body have the web site that debunked the weather temperature reading by the black top parking lots?
If so would you please WU mail it to me
Quoting beell:
I do wish we had a more reliable way for us amateurs to determine if snow was making it to the ground.

Well, one can always use the highly scientific method that most of the broadcast weather guessing talking heads around here studiously avoid: open the door, walk outside, look around ;-) Yea, I know, takes one away from the computer and introduces the Real World. Ah well....
on the weather channel.. they got a story about hurricane Ivan when it hit pensacola, FL.. and covering a family that rode it out and Navarre.. Also a guy that built a globe cement type house for a emergency like a tropical cyclone.. I really like that design of that globe house..
Quoting FLPandhandleJG:
on the weather channel..

I really really liked their talking heads a week ago. Quote of the weekend at the races concerned fog elsewhere: "zero visibility, usually under a quarter mile". Duh!
Quoting EnergyMoron:
Jones recants

Link

I sent the follow to real climate; since I am not in the climate business maybe it will not be read.

Anyway, will the real scientists please stand up now?

***

I am very concerned about the climate. Sometimes I speak (for an oil and gas company) on energy efficiency in the deep south and do mention AGW and the last few months have been, well, your web page helped immensely to make sure . This entire climategate thing has been very damaging and is not good. The arctic ice melt is real and predicted by Arrhenius back around 1900; Fourier’s classic experiments in the early 1800’s are what they are. We don’t understand natural cycles.

Since Dr. McIntyre was the first to raise the issue of the sloppy science I think he should take the lead in giving the REAL AGW story.

The solution for right now?

Efficiency.

My family’s carbon footprint is less than 10 tonnes per year (family of 5). We have a hybrid SUV, for example. 35 MPG. 34 PMG on my old 1998 Escort. Poured in $30,000 into house; reduced energy costs by $1,500 a year, slam dunk 20 year payout. And then I have a roof that I don’t have to replace come 20 years. Fantastic. Helping the planet is economically fine. Don’t mind paying a few pennies extra for wind energy either.

What is not going to payout and indeed is increasing my carbon footprint right now owing to a bad installation? Solar hot water. Cost $10,000.

It could be worse…. Folks who have an electric backup for solar water…. Let’s see…. Peaking electricity is from old coal plants working at 30% efficiency, natural gas burns 2.25 times cleaner than coal on a carbon basis (not to mention other nasties), assume solar works 2/3 of the time, and I can generate heat at 83% efficiency by burning natural gas. Solar with an electric backup, except in a rare case where the backup electric power is off-grid (not the case at my home!), actually increases carbon emissions by a factor of 2 over just having a plain natural gas system with efficient insulation.

Yah, future research is very important; I work from time-to-time on carbon sequestration projects. But these are not ready for prime time.

The message has to be stop wasting energy America. Heck, independent of climate change concerns, we can focus on the ½ of the abatement curve (Pacala and Socolow) that actually MAKES money!

Since Dr. McIntyre was the initial whistle-blower (been there, done that, and I have an US SEC judgment in the matter hanging on my door at work as a trophy), I think he is in a unique position to bring to the public the REAL story about AGW.

There is a solution for energy load balancing.
Almost no more power outages, once everyone advanced.

Denmark to test wind powered cars in smart grid experiment
Cars could fill gaps in Denmark’s renewable energy supply if an experiment is successful. In a new vehicle-to-grid (V2G) experiment, Denmark will use batteries contained within electric cars to store excess wind power that will be fed back into the power grid when the wind isn’t blowing.

To be conducted on the island of Bornholm, parked electric cars will store excess energy that is generated when the wind is blowing particularly hard. When the wind isn’t blowing, the cars will feed electricity back into the power grid.

The venture-backed firm, launched in 2007 and based in Palo Alto, Calif., aims to create networks of electric cars worldwide. Deals have been announced in other densely packed "transportation islands," as Agassi calls them, in Denmark, Australia, San Francisco, Hawaii, the west coast of Canada, along with a small taxi scheme in Japan.
http://www.smartmeters.com/the-news/560-denmark-to-test-wind-powered-cars-in-smart-grid-experiment. html

San Francisco Joins "Better Place" Electric Car Project
http://solveclimate.com/blog/20081121/san-francisco-joins-better-place-electric-car-project

Better Place Takes Big Leap Forward with Israel Electric-Car Pilot

"Israel is detaching itself from oil," said Shai Agassi (photo), the 41-year-old, Israeli-born founder of the company. The government "really wants this to happen," he said. "It is a national project."

Even if the cars run off coal, "the emissions impact is the difference between a full glass of water on oil and a drop of water on battery," said Shai Agassi. Citing a study by the Israel Electric Corporation, the Better Place head said the nation could switch all of its cars to electric without requiring any new generation.

The reason is the company's so-called "smart batteries." The giant, 550-pound power packs will contain "bi-directional" charging that will allow parked cars to feed power back to the grid, turning them into petite power plants.

The technology, known as vehicle to grid, or V2G, is still in its infancy. Tal Agassi said that between 2013 to 2015, when large amounts of cars are running, the company will be able to deploy it but not before. Theoretically, he said, a half a million electric vehicles could send one gigawatt of power back to the grid — equivalent to about 10 percent of Israel's electricity consumption in a single day.
http://solveclimate.com/blog/20100209/better-place-takes-big-leap-forward-israel-electric-car-pilot
Quoting Motttt:
Does any body have the web site that debunked the weather temperature reading by the black top parking lots?

http://www.skepticalscience.com/surface-temperature-measurements.htm

Dr Jeff Masters had a blog on this
Poorly sited U.S. temperature instruments not responsible for artificial warming
http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/comment.html?entrynum=1419&tstamp=
if i was in charge. northern florida would not be part of florida. jacksonville north would be georgia and alabama getaway would take the panhandle if it was that way there would not be any snow 43 f cool e cent florida

Morning all, and had 26.4 yesterday Brrrrrr
Cold down There!
46.2*F in Macon, Georgia this morning. No snow. Just rain again. :(
Yes, colder here than in Ga right now Crazy,
Hey Doug Its colder in Tampa than your place today 38.5
Quoting severstorm:
Hey Doug Its colder in Tampa than your place today 38.5


Sho 'nuff!
Won't be tonight tho.

Getting ripped on our "snow" forecast for the 3rd time thi season. Drag.
Well i hope you see more this time than the last time. LOL
i know Ike was all excited the last time.
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/01/11/years-global-cooling-coming-say-leading-scientists/

Please read this article.
Quoting transitzone:

Well, one can always use the highly scientific method that most of the broadcast weather guessing talking heads around here studiously avoid: open the door, walk outside, look around ;-) Yea, I know, takes one away from the computer and introduces the Real World. Ah well....


Lol can't argue that. I was telling my son last Friday there is no snow falling while looking at the radar and he told me oh yes there is snow, I argued my point and he pointed to the window when I looked outside it was snowing like crazy lol. Radar failed me on Friday.
Dr Phil Jones from the Climate Research Unit at East Anglica Universtiy now admits he can't find his "data" because his "organisational skills" are crap. Also admits there has been no statistically significant warming of the earth since 1995! Also concedes that it was probably warme during the Medievil Warm Period. Circa 800 AD to 1300 AD. It was during that period that the Vikings had working farms in southern Greenland. Don't tell Grothar that, He's in denial. At the peak in Greenland there was an est 3000 to 5000 people living there before it got too cold again.

It's my opinion that Dr. Jone's admissions is more than another "nail in the coffin" of AGW debate. More like a "stake thru the heart"!
Quoting transitzone:

Also a guy that built a globe cement type house for a emergency like a tropical cyclone.. I really like that design of that globe house..

Dome houses are good. So are dome schools, churches, office and even shopping centers. Highly resistant to hurricanes, tornadoes and earthquakes. Very energy efficient because they enclose the maximum volume with minimum surface area and because they put the thermal mass on the inside and the insulation on the outside.
Quoting PensacolaDoug:
Dr Phil Jones from the Climate Research Unit at East Anglica Universtiy now admits he can't find his "data" because his "organisational skills" are crap. Also admits there has been no statistically significant warming of the earth since 1995! Also concedes that it was probably warme during the Medievil Warm Period. Circa 800 AD to 1300 AD. It was during that period that the Vikings had working farms in southern Greenland. Don't tell Grothar that, He's in denial. At the peak in Greenland there was an est 3000 to 5000 people living there before it got too cold again.

It's my opinion that Dr. Jone's admissions is more than another "nail in the coffin" of AGW debate. More like a "stake thru the heart"!


If this is true which I believe it is. Why is Dr. Masters as many others now blaming this winter to Global Warming? aren't they concerned about their credibility. I am using this site for Hurricane tracking only from now on Will not listen to him anymore since I know now he is biased.
Quoting CaneHunter031472:
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/01/11/years-global-cooling-coming-say-leading-scientists/

Please read this article.

I did. While the northern hemisphere witness a shift from polar level atmosphere it is now considerable colder in our locations.
But if you look at the overall trend it becomes hotter.
January globaly was particular warm and currently we have heatwave in brazil or equador. In contrast US had a considerable cold december. Climate shifts from the NAO. Further the northern polar region is now significant warmer (Surface and ocean wise) - accelerating the thaw processes.

Looks to me, like we just witness an advanced global thaw process.
I can't speak for Dr. Masters. He's an educated man and is entitled to his opinions.

Just as I'm an un-educated man and am entitled to my own.
My conern with DR Masters as with the Global Warming proponents is that there is no information posted from the other side of the coin for us to make an informed oppinion. No one mentions Solar weather here wich affects our planet and the fact that there have now been any significant warming for over a decade already. Why and what is their agenda? why do we throw science and take sides with politicians and policy makers? do we love to hurt and be under their control? I would hate to having to pay taxes or allowing for them to pas cap and trade policies with out having serious analysis. We are broke as we are right now. I wish hippies never existed and that the sixties could be erased from history honestly all of this crazines come originated then.
Quoting PensacolaDoug:
Dr Phil Jones from the Climate Research Unit at East Anglica Universtiy now admits he can't find his "data" because his "organisational skills" are crap. Also admits there has been no statistically significant warming of the earth since 1995! Also concedes that it was probably warme during the Medievil Warm Period. Circa 800 AD to 1300 AD. It was during that period that the Vikings had working farms in southern Greenland. Don't tell Grothar that, He's in denial. At the peak in Greenland there was an est 3000 to 5000 people living there before it got too cold again.

It's my opinion that Dr. Jone's admissions is more than another "nail in the coffin" of AGW debate. More like a "stake thru the heart"!

We observe weather and draw conclusions for climate not from single events. What does this say exactly? What data is in question? How does this disprove AGW? Did you read the original complete report of the Q&A from BBC?
Quoting PensacolaDoug:
I can't speak for Dr. Masters. He's an educated man and is entitled to his opinions.

Just as I'm an un-educated man and am entitled to my own.


I am an educated man as well and when I make business proposals I have to bring all points of view to the table to make educated decisions. Otherwise we make mistakes we regret in the future. If you are posting here you are paying a fee right? I pay that fee as well and we are entitled to question the veracity of the information here . Another option is to quit paying and use the free version for hurricane tracking which I am starting to consider. I respect Dr. Master but I beg to disagree with his point of view, but what upsets me is not his point of view in this matter, but instead the fact that not all variables of the problem are presented and the results are always flawed. The worst part is that he presents this as facts.
I am so opposed to "cap and trade" it hurts.
All along I've opined that AGW was politically motivated to help the "progressive" movement usher in some sort of New World Order. It's a scary world we find ourselves in now. Clear, free thinking Americans need to open their eyes and become better informed before its too late. The issue is too important to get wrong. In my opinion accurate and un-biased research is what is needed to put this to rest one way or the other. I'm not at all sure that that is even possible any longer considering how polarized the issue has become. I hope I'm wrong.
CaneH,

U do not have to be a paying member to post on the blog.
Quoting PensacolaDoug:
I am so opposed to "cap and trade" it hurts.
All along I've opined that AGW was politically motivated to help the "progressive" movement usher in some sort of New World Order. It's a scary world we find ourselves in now. Clear, free thinking Americans need to open their eyes and become better informed before its too late. The issue is too important to get wrong. In my opinion accurate and un-biased research is what is neeaed to put this to rest one way or the other. I'm not at all sure that that is even possible any longer considering how polarized the issue has become. I hope I'm wrong.

Cap and Trade was brougth in from lobbyst sides. The problem, Cap and Trade not really helps reducing Co-2 emissions and is a present for fraud.

But actualy oil companys, politicans - decision makers move now to Co-2 taxation.
Quoting BahaHurican:
CaneH,

U do not have to be a paying member to post on the blog.


True. I'm "living proof"!
Quoting drg0dOwnCountry:

Cap and Trade was brougth in from lobbyst sides. The problem, Cap and Trade not really helps reducing Co-2 emissions and is a present for fraud.

But actualy oil companys, politicans - decision makers move now to Co-2 taxation.



Mostly folks who stand to profit from it.
I'm done. I have managed to stay out of this crappy debate for the last month or so and don't want to get caught up in it again. I like this blog and would like to keep liking it.
PDoug,

I posted for several years b4 becoming a paying member. There's a lot of good stuff on the site that's outside the blog.

Anyhoo, am heading out now. Ya'll have a good day!
I'm gonna start paying. Have a good day!
How disappointing. They had to have cancelled at least 100 counties worth of Winter Weather Advisories. It's not gonna snow even in places as far north as Atlanta and Athens who may have gotten 3 inches if it was cold enough.
Quoting BahaHurican:
CaneH,

U do not have to be a paying member to post on the blog.


That's great news will save me ten bucks :-)
An amazing, though clearly little-known, scientific fact: We get more snow storms in warm years!

Results for the November–December period showed that most of the United States had experienced 61%– 80% of the storms in warmer-than-normal years. Assessment of the January–February temperature conditions again showed that most of the United States had 71%–80% of their snowstorms in warmer-than-normal years. In the March–April season 61%–80% of all snowstorms in the central and southern United States had occurred in warmer-than-normal years…. Thus, these comparative results reveal that a future with wetter and warmer winters, which is one outcome expected (National Assessment Synthesis Team 2001), will bring more snowstorms than in 1901–2000. Agee (1991) found that long-term warming trends in the United States were associated with increasing cyclonic activity in North America, further indicating that a warmer future climate will generate more winter storms.
http://climateprogress.org/2010/02/15/an-amazing-though-clearly-little-known-scientific-fact-we-get -more-snow-storms-in-warm-years/#more-18963
When we had a few warm winters it GW when we have a Cold snowy winter its GW. Amazing.
Good Morning. Just hunkering down for some more cold weather in North Florida this week; Just blessed to not live in the other parts of the US shut down by the blizzards. But everything is relative......Snow in populated centers/cities with the disruptions is a pain.....Snow in Vancouver right now is valued commodity.
Good Evening all. How is everyone, thawing out?
Quoting AussieStorm:
Good Evening all. How is everyone, thawing out?




Snowing again here in the south-east. Schools closed with 1-3 inches for elevations below 2,500FT in North Carolina. 2-4 for higher elevations.

Some ski resorts here have over a 100inch base! Not common for us southerners.

Appalachian Ski Mtn, North Carolina
Base Snow: 82 - 116"
With more on the way...
70's and 80's will be back in Florida starting Friday thru maybe all of next week. Also, with this warm weather will be the chance for severe wx starting early next week for much of the Southeast US especially the closer you get to the Gulf Coast. Some serious tornado outbreaks maybe coming down the road as warm air moves back north and interactes with cold air and this powerful southern jet. Severe wx season is here.
Quoting Jeff9641:
70's and 80's will be back in Florida starting Friday thru maybe all of next week. Also, with this warm weather will be the chance for severe wx starting early next week for much of the Southeast US especially the closer you get to the Gulf Coast. Some serious tornado outbreaks maybe coming down the road as warm air moves back north and interactes with cold air and this powerful southern jet. Severe wx season is here.



Looking out my window seeing heavy snow right now... It was just a day ago we, (NC) was under a blizzard warning and FL was getting snow! I do see that storm your talking about for this weekend. Its hard to believe what mother nature has in store for us already...I can't imagine being under a severe thunderstorm warning with snow on the ground!
CaneHunter031472~ Dr Master's did a very extensive blog on solar cycles both long & short. By the long we should really be getting colder not trending warmer & the short (11 year) we just came out of a much longer than usual minimum.

Taking hippies out of the equation isn't going to take Viagra & other Pharmasutical out of drinking water or all the things out of the air that cause more deaths than car accidents. Many parts of China has proved what unregulated polluting does to communities.. Those are more extreme since many times there was zero pollution prevention & it went on till all of the communities kids & some others were dying.. Plenty of example close to home.. How about the cancer clusters from the local air force base that killed a sister of mine (before I was born), the cancer cluster around the local big corperation We are only about 100 years into really fouling things up. If greenhouse gases didn't exist the earth would be frozen. It goes both ways. I don't support cap & trade. Neather do those that are educated on the matter. Notice the same companys spending crazy to put out anti-science propaganda support cap & trade.
Cyclone spares tropical island
Denver Post Wire Report
Posted: 02/14/2010 01:00:00 AM MST

PAGO PAGO, American Samoa — A powerful tropical storm missed American Samoa early Saturday morning, causing heavy rains and high winds but sparing more devastation to the U.S. territory battered by a deadly autumn tsunami.

Tropical Cyclone Rene was about 110 miles south of Pago Pago and moving southwest on a track that will take it into central and southern Tonga, said cyclone forecaster Alipate Waqaicelua of the Nadi Tropical Cyclone Center in Fiji.
Weather up here is a little bit warm right now... almost to warm for the Olympics... and I am already feeding the Koi in the pond.
Quoting CaneHunter031472:


If this is true which I believe it is. Why is Dr. Masters as many others now blaming this winter to Global Warming? aren't they concerned about their credibility. I am using this site for Hurricane tracking only from now on Will not listen to him anymore since I know now he is biased.



Maybe he is not concerned about his credibility, but his investment portfolio that takes precedence (Green Tech)???
Quoting Skyepony:
Cyclone spares tropical island
Denver Post Wire Report
Posted: 02/14/2010 01:00:00 AM MST

PAGO PAGO, American Samoa — A powerful tropical storm missed American Samoa early Saturday morning, causing heavy rains and high winds but sparing more devastation to the U.S. territory battered by a deadly autumn tsunami.

Tropical Cyclone Rene was about 110 miles south of Pago Pago and moving southwest on a track that will take it into central and southern Tonga, said cyclone forecaster Alipate Waqaicelua of the Nadi Tropical Cyclone Center in Fiji.


Tonga prepares for cyclone Rene



Cyclone Rene is bearing down on Tonga's main island, Tongatapu.

It has weakened slightly from earlier in the day when it was a category 4 storm.

People on the main island of Tongatapu have been taking precautions all day.

The publisher of the Times of Tonga newspaper, Kalafi Moala, says strong winds are already being felt in the capital.

"As I'm standing looking out of my house, my gate just blew off, so there's some very strong winds blowing right now," he said.

"We have been told by radio that by 9:00 tonight Tongan time, cyclone Rene would be bearing down about 50 kilometres north of Nuku'alofa and that is coming very close."

- ABC
Wettest February on record for NSW South Coast


It seems that everyone is getting a turn at being flooded by the summer rains, and the NSW South Coast is no exception.

Since 9am this morning, Moruya Airport has already recorded 135 millimetres; that's just over 20 millimetres every hour. This makes it the wettest day on record.

Narooma, further south, picked up 152 millimetres to 9am, the wettest 24 hours in February in 39 years. As if this wasn't enough, there has been a further 98 millimetres today so far as well.

Most of this region has now received between 300 and 500 percent of their average monthly rainfall for February, generally making it the wettest month on record, with some records going back over twenty years.

But why so much rain? Over the last day or so a deep low developed off the nearby coast, focusing heavy rain over the eastern VIC and NSW coasts. As well as this, coastal waters have been particularly warm this year, adding to the abundance of available moisture.

The good news is that the rain will ease up in the next 24 hours as the low heads off into the Tasman Sea, perhaps to wreak havoc in New Zealand in a few days time.

By Wednesday, a high pressure ridge will establish clearer skies until Sunday.

- Weatherzone
Most of you know me on the blog. I have never got into the argument of AGW either pro or con. Therefore, I would find it difficult to believe anyone could know my full position on subject. However, I noticed a comment this morning in which my name was mentioned. As many of you know, I was born in the U.S. of American Parents. In the U.S. since the 1800's. I was educated in Europe, residing mostly in the Scandinavian countries and Germany, but many other countries as well (including Greenland).

There reference this morning was to my "denial" of conditions in Greenland when the early Viking settlers lived there. If some of you may not realize, the schools in the Scandinavia countries often teach the Old Norse languages and we must read the full history of our countries,even to the point of learning the old runic alpabet. I am quite well aware of the large Viking settlements which were in Greenland from approximately 800-1200 A.D. The climate was much warmer than it is today, especially along the southwestern coast. There was farming, grazing, cattle raising and abundant forests along the coastal area. The settlements may have supported population well over 10,000 inhabitans. I have visited many of the sites of the old villages.

The clarification I attempeted to make to one of the bloggers a while back, was that the ice sheets were still relatively the same at that time as they are today. The entire island of Greenland was not a lush paradise. Even at that time, the winters were much colder in Greenland than they were in Iceland and Norway. The question which still remains, was why the settlements were abandoned. It is known that after 1300 A.D. The climate became much colder and they settlers could not apapt.

When I see derogatory remarks made about our host, Dr. Masters, it is upsetting in the fact that it is now no longer a lack of civility which prevails, but total lack of respect for anyone's opinions. This is directed to both sides of the argument. If they disagree that much, let them start their own blog. If I ever want to clarify something, I normally e-mail the person as not to cause embarrassment or create another argument. I have never berated anyone on this blog or resorted to name-calling. I would expect others to behave the same, but obviously that is behavior for which many on this blog are incapabable.
Out of Context... but it is winter weather related :)


2010 Winter Olympics Blog compliments of dashboardcowman
Quoting Walshy:



Looking out my window seeing heavy snow right now... It was just a day ago we, (NC) was under a blizzard warning and FL was getting snow! I do see that storm your talking about for this weekend. Its hard to believe what mother nature has in store for us already...I can't imagine being under a severe thunderstorm warning with snow on the ground!


Nothing but rain here in Greensboro. :(
369. Thank you, Grothar. The blog is so lucky to receive a free science/humanities seminar today on Greenland... this might have cost plenty at an area university or adult-education center.
Quoting Grothar:
When I see derogatory remarks made about our host, Dr. Masters, it is upsetting in the fact that it is now no longer a lack of civility which prevails, but total lack of respect for anyone's opinions.


I'm an ardent about my opinions about AGW.... I also agree with you about the lack of respect. There is no reason to be jerks...
CaneHunter031472 - Thank goodness for the HIPPIES! Their love of our earth is part of the reason we are still able to drink clean water and breathe clean air. Thank goodness for "EARTH DAY" and the awereness it brought. It makes no difference if you are for or against climate change - taking care of "Mother Earth" is what we all should be doing. As another blogger said, there is only one earth and without "her", we are nothing! Please think of your children and the future generations!!


Just found this; my thanks (again) to Canada and a Canadian dad...this has gone international.

www.cyberbullying.org
Quoting Orcasystems:
Weather up here is a little bit warm right now... almost to warm for the Olympics... and I am already feeding the Koi in the pond.
spring time in vancover abnormally warm with the kink in stream things start turn around after 25th of the month heading into march
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
spring time in vancover abnormally warm with the kink in stream things start turn around after 25th of the month heading into march


SWMBO has me doing the gardens already... which is not unusual for Feb, thats when spring starts here.
Quoting Orcasystems:


SWMBO has me doing the gardens already... which is not unusual for Feb, thats when spring starts here.


oh, wow. When does your winter start? Actually (she shows her ignorance), when do all your seasons start, generally speaking. Thanks.
The most recent analog year to the 2010 hurricane season I think would be 2004: El Nino Modoki weakening through the hurricane season.
Good morning gang!

Mr. Grothar.. + well said, thank you.
About the erroneous reports of an ice age: you're forgetting that while the cold air exited out of the Arctic, the warm tropical air has been filling directly into the Arctic ocean, warming up places such as Alaska and Greenland. In the Southern Hemisphere the warm air is flooding into the continents as ocean currents slow down.
Quoting Orcasystems:


SWMBO has me doing the gardens already... which is not unusual for Feb, thats when spring starts here.

ya lucky you
no garden or landscaping here yet or for 2 more months
season begins here by april 15
thats the latest i've seen snow here anyway
and the last frosts normally by may 1st
369:
Grothar!!!

Yep.

(though I do still doubt the veracity of the ice sheets being basically the same as today while a portion of Greenland supported all that flora and fauna...the place isn't that big. Such a difference would involve unbelievable temp gradients)
Quoting AwakeInMaryland:
369. Thank you, Grothar. The blog is so lucky to receive a free science/humanities seminar today on Greenland... this might have cost plenty at an area university or adult-education center.


It usually does, Awake. But I felt generous today. I am planning on finally making entries to my personal blog. It will be in the field of Anthropology as relates to Languages. I feel that perhaps if people are made more aware that when statements are made in the subjunctive case, it is not necessarily a statement of fact, but rather a possibility or probability. It might help to prevent misunderstandings or arguments. I am trying to do my part. LOL
Quoting Grothar:


It usually does, Awake. But I felt generous today. I am planning on finally making entries to my personal blog. It will be in the field of Anthropology as relates to Languages. I feel that perhaps if people are made more aware that when statements are made in the subjunctive case, it is not necessarily a statement of fact, but rather a possibility or probability. It might help to prevent misunderstandings or arguments. I am trying to do my part. LOL


Well, it's about time you listened to me and started your own Blog! (It's a JOKE, folks...sorta'. I've been "nudging" Grothar for awhile now, as is my cultural imperative, lol)!

Grothar, if you write the entire blog in German again, puh-leez provide an English translation this time!

Quoting Grothar:


It usually does, Awake. But I felt generous today.

So when have we covered enough to get a degree or certification of some sort?
Quoting atmoaggie:

So when have we covered enough to get a degree or certification of some sort?

LOL.
+1
Talk about the pot and the kettle, though.
new blog
Quoting atmoaggie:
369:
Grothar!!!

Yep.

(though I do still doubt the veracity of the ice sheets being basically the same as today while a portion of Greenland supported all that flora and fauna...the place isn't that big. Such a difference would involve unbelievable temp gradients)


ATMOAGGIE!!!!!!!! Sorry I missed you.

Yes, it really is that big! Through geological studies and even early Viking maps, the estimate of the ice caps have stayed relatively the same for about the past 100,000 years. It covers about 80% of the land area. By the way, I am going there again in a few months. You want to see for yourself? Don't forget to bring some shorts and bathing suits. It can get mighty warm there. LOL

P.S. Just to reiterate, during the period from approximately 800 - 1200 A.D. the coastal areas were quite mild allowing large settlement to flourish in case anyone else missed that.
Quoting atmoaggie:

So when have we covered enough to get a degree or certification of some sort?



No, I shall give everyone a "cookie" with "ICING" on it. HA!