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The global tropical cyclone season of 2010: record inactivity

By: Dr. Jeff Masters, 1:14 AM GMT on April 03, 2011

The year 2010 was one of the strangest on record globally for tropical cyclones. Each year, the globe has about 92 tropical cyclones--called hurricanes in the Atlantic and Eastern Pacific, typhoons in the Western Pacific, and tropical cyclones in the Southern Hemisphere. But in 2010, we had just 68 of these storms--the fewest since the dawn of the satellite era in 1970. The previous record slowest year was 1977, when 69 tropical cyclones occurred world-wide. Both the Western Pacific and Eastern Pacific had their quietest seasons on record in 2010, the Atlantic had its 3rd busiest season since record keeping began in 1851, and the Southern Hemisphere had a below average season. As a result, the Atlantic, which ordinarily accounts for just 13% of global cyclone activity, accounted for 28% in 2010--the greatest proportion since accurate tropical cyclone records began in the 1970s. Global Accumulated Cyclone Energy (ACE) for 2010 was the lowest since the late 1970s (ACE is a measure of the total destructive power of a hurricane season, based on the number of days strong winds are observed.)


Figure 1. Visible satellite image of 2010's strongest tropical cyclone: Super Typhoon Megi at 2:25 UTC October 18, 2010. A reconnaissance aircraft measured a central pressure of 885 mb and surface winds of 190 mph in the storm, making Megi the 8th strongest tropical cyclone in world history. Image credit: NASA.

A record quiet 2010 Northwest Pacific Typhoon Season
The Western Pacific set records for fewest number of named storms (fifteen, previous record seventeen in 1998) and typhoons (nine, tied with the previous record of nine in 1998. Note that Tropical Storm Mindulle was upgraded to a typhoon in post-analysis after the season was over.) Reliable records began in the mid-1960s. For just the second year in history, the Atlantic had more named storms and hurricane-strength storms than the Western Pacific. The only other year this occurred was in 2005. Ordinarily, the Western Pacific has double to triple the amount of tropical cyclones of the Atlantic. One other notable feature of the 2010 season was the lack of a land-falling typhoon on the Japanese mainland. This is only the second such occurrence since 1988.

In 2010, there was only one super typhoon--a storm with at least 150 mph winds--in the Western Pacific. However, this storm, Super Typhoon Megi, was a doozy. Megi's sustained winds cranked up to a fearsome 190 mph and its central pressure bottomed out at 885 mb on October 16, making it the 8th most intense tropical cyclone in world history. Fortunately, Megi weakened significantly before hitting the Philippines as a Category 3 typhoon. Megi killed 69 people on Taiwan and in the Philippines and did $700 million in damage, and was the second deadliest and damaging typhoon of 2010. Category 3 Typhoon Fanapi was the deadliest and most damaging typhoon of 2010, doing over $1 billion in damage to Taiwan and China and killing 105.

The record quiet typhoon season in 2010 was due, in part, to the La Niña phenomena. During such events, the formation region for Western Pacific typhoons moves northwestward, closer to China. Thus, storms that form in the Western Pacific spend less time over water before they encounter land, resulting in a lesser chance to become a named storm, and less time to intensify. They also accumulate a lower ACE due to their shorter duration. Since the Western Pacific is responsible for 35% of the world's major tropical cyclones, the global ACE value is strongly tied to year-to-year variations in the El Niño/La Niña cycle.


Figure 2.
Statistics for the global tropical cyclone season of 2010. The two numbers in each box represent the actual number observed in 2010, followed by the averages from the period 1983-2007 (in parentheses). Averages and records were computed using the December 23, 2008 release of NOAA's International Best Track Archive for Climate Stewardship.

A record quiet 2010 Eastern Pacific Typhoon Season
In the Eastern Pacific, it was also a record-quiet season. On average, the Eastern Pacific has 15 named storms, 8 hurricanes, and 3 intense hurricanes in a season. In 2010, there were 8 named storms, 3 hurricanes, and 2 intense hurricanes. The previous record quietest season since 1966 was the year 1977, when the Eastern Pacific had 8 named storms, 4 hurricanes, and zero intense hurricanes. La Niña was largely responsible for the quiet Eastern Pacific hurricane season, due in part to the cool sea surface temperatures it brought. It is quite remarkable that both the Eastern and Western Pacific ocean basins had record quiet seasons in the same year--there is no historical precedent for such an occurrence.

Climate change and the 2008 global tropical cyclone season
We only have about 30 years of reliable global tropical cyclone data, and tropical cyclones are subject to large natural variations in numbers and intensities. Thus, it will be very difficult at present to prove that climate change is affecting global tropical cyclone activity. (This is less so in the Atlantic, where we have a longer reliable data record to work with.) A common theme of many recent publications on the future of tropical cyclones globally in a warming climate is that the total number of these storms will decrease, but the strongest storms will get stronger. For example, a 2010 review paper published in Nature Geosciences concluded: "greenhouse warming will cause the globally averaged intensity of tropical cyclones to shift towards stronger storms, with intensity increases of 2 - 11% by 2100. Existing modeling studies also consistently project decreases in the globally averaged frequency of tropical cyclones, by 6 - 34%. Balanced against this, higher resolution modeling studies typically project substantial increases in the frequency of the most intense cyclones, and increases of the order of 20% in the precipitation rate within 100 km of the storm centre." Last year, I discussed a paper by Bender et al that concluded that the total number of Atlantic hurricanes is expected to decrease by the end of the century, but there could be an increase of 81% in the number of Category 4 and 5 storms. The net effect of a decrease in total number of hurricanes but an increase in the strongest hurricanes should cause an increase in U.S. hurricane damages of about 30% by the end of the century, the authors computed, assuming that hurricane damages behave as they did during the past century. A new paper just published by Murakami et. al predicts that Western Pacific tropical cyclones may decrease in number by 23% by the end of the century, primarily due to a shift in the formation location and tracks of these storms.

In light of these theoretical results, it is interesting that 2010 saw the lowest number of global tropical cyclones on record, but an average number of very strong Category 4 and 5 storms. Fully 21% of last year's tropical cyclones reached Category 4 or 5 strength, versus just 14% during the period 1983 - 2007. Most notably, in 2010 we had the second strongest tropical cyclone on record in the Arabian Sea (Category 4 Cyclone Phet in June) and the strongest tropical cyclone ever to hit Myanmar/Burma (October's Tropical Cyclone Giri, an upper end Category 4 storm with 155 mph winds.) It is too early to read anything into this year's global tropical cyclone numbers, though--we need many more years of data before making any judgments on how global tropical cyclones might be responding to climate change.


Figure 3. Visible satellite image of Tropical Cyclone Phet on Thursday, June 3, 2010. Record heat over southern Asia in May helped heat up the Arabian Sea to 2°C above normal, and the exceptionally warm SSTs helped fuel Tropical Cyclone Phet into the second strongest tropical cyclone ever recorded in the Arabian Sea. Phet peaked at Category 4 strength with 145 mph winds. Only Category 5 Cyclone Gonu of 2007, which devastated Oman, was a stronger Arabian Sea cyclone. Phet killed 44 people and did $700 million in damage to Oman.


Figure 4. Visible MODIS satellite image of Tropical Cyclone Giri taken at 2:55am EDT October 22, 2010, just prior to landfall in Myanmar/Burma. At the time, Giri was a Category 4 storm with 145 mph winds. Giri killed 157 people and did $359 million in damage. Image credit: NASA.

Jeff Masters

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Reader Comments

Quoting hurricanejunky:


Get real Bob. You are obviously missing the point. I hear it from my parents and their teacher friends all the time. What it boils down to is nowadays teachers have to almost exclusively teach for testing. They are eliminating physical education, music, art, etc and children should be well rounded not professional test takers. Teaching is subjective but the for-profit crowd want to quantify it like it's used car sales. I think U.S. teachers will begin migrating to other countries who pay their teachers handsomely instead of giving lip service to the profession. Teachers are who educates EVERYONE in this country. What are we without teachers? I find it highly hypocritical how we always express our admiration and appreciation for teachers, present them with awards and all types of other stroke jobs but we can't even pay them commensurate with their importance in society. So yes, taking away collective bargaining rights and giving 5% pay cuts is absolutely an attack on teachers. I don't hear anyone asking corporations or millionaires / billionaires to give up 5% of their salary for the "greater good", do you? Why is that? Who do you think can better afford to give up 5% of their salary? Someone making 40k per year or someone making 40 million per year? Hmmm....



First of all, the teacher's pension isn't for 'the greater good' it's for the good of the teacher. Like it or not, teachers are paid by the taxpayers. In rough economic times, tax revenue is down. Teachers, like every other public employee groups, have to take a bit of a hit.

What other professions work 196 days per year and get paid full time and have good benefits and a pension plan? You guys keep bringing up millionaires and billionaires. That has absolutely nothing to do with this argument.
It's gotten to the point at least in Wisconsin where these teachers have been coddled and dependant upon Big Unions for too long. It'll take years to correct, but a worthwhile fight to rid at least the Collective Bargaining Rights of these teachers nonetheless.
1503. aquak9
good for you eddy- I wish more people would work hard to get better at life, rather than sitting back and accepting handouts from the gov't
1504. Patrap
When a given Cane Forecast can tell What, where and when,,I'll give it the full attention it deserves,,til den,,I trust a dart board better.
1505. Patrap
Seems rehab isnt all its cracked up to be for some.

Radar Lub




Quoting jeffs713:
A farmer products goods, teachers provide services. Apples to oranges.

As for 10 weeks off per year, its 9-11 hour days when working. And their time off is largely restricted to summers and Christmas break, when vacation prices are the highest. Using my numbers from before, based on 10 hours per day (6:30a to 5:00p, with a 30 minute lunch), and 42 weeks per year, 5 days per week, they work 2100 hours per year. (that is slightly over the 2080 that most 8-5 people work without including paid vacation.


Jeff, i'm not sure where your getting your 9-11 hour work days. I have many family members that are teachers that work 7-4 and have little take home work to do with the age of todays technology. Most test are graded at school and each teacher has a 1 hour per day for prep. So, i am not sure where your getting this time of overwork you talk of. Now, if you choose to be an Administrator then, yes they put in the extra time with sports events but, their compensated nicely for that time and responsibility.
How are some of the major Airlines are doing now after what the Unions did. Perhaps filing bankruptcy is the thing to do nowadays, so who cares.
Quoting aquak9:
good for you eddy- I wish more people would work hard to get better at life, rather than sitting back and accepting handouts from the gov't

Are you implying that I can't use the change I get back on my food stamps to wander straight on over to the lotto machine or liquor department anymore. Now that's a major swoon.
1509. Patrap
The operator of Japan's stricken Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear power plant says it has finally plugged a leak of highly radioactive water that had been draining into the Pacific. (April 6)

1510. aquak9
Quoting cat5hurricane:

Are you implying that I can't use the change I get back on my food stamps to wander straight on over to the lotto machine or liquor department anymore. Now that's a major swoon.


hahaha- good one, cat5!
1511. snotly
Read and learn.

1461 Jax82 "There may not be a whole lot of weather in the U.S. to talk about today, but space weather is kicking up in the Arctic.
More Arctic lights are in the offing. A solar wind stream is buffeting Earth's magnetic field, and NOAA forecasters estimate a 15% - 25% chance of high-latitude geomagnetic activity during the next 24 hours
."

The picture has more to do with Arctic circulation patterns. Pretty clouds in the Arctic skies...

...can herald ozone depletion. "By the end of March, [up to] 40% of the ozone in the stratosphere had been destroyed [in the NorthernHemisphere's worst affected areas], against a previous record of 30%."

The Scandinavians and the Russians are gonna have an easy time tanning up before bikini season.

Just kidding. The amount of the most radiation-damaging UltraViolet increases more in comparison to the less harmful tanning UV when the ozone shield weakens. So it ain't as healthy to be out in the Sun as in normal times.
1513. Gearsts
probabilities.
As an example we find that the probability of Florida being hit by a major (Cat 3-4-5) hurricane this year is 34% which is substantially higher than the yearly climatological average of 21%.
South Florida is much more prone to being impacted by a hurricane on an individual year basis compared with northeast Florida. For instance, the probability of Miami-Dade County being impacted by hurricane-force wind gusts this year is 19%. For Duval County, the probability of being impacted by hurricane-force wind gusts is only 5%. However, considering a 50-year period, the probability of Duval County experiencing hurricane-force wind gusts is 75%.
For the island of Puerto Rico, the probability of a named storm, hurricane and major hurricane tracking within 50 miles of the island this year is 50%, 26%, and 8%,
1514. Jax82
An interesting topic we'll have to talk about Friday is whether or not Congress approves the budget. If they dont, the Govt will shut down (essential services would not be, ie national security, air traffic control, etc). I wonder what the implications of that would be for the NWS and NOAA? There also will be a lot of people not going to work. Could get very interesting.
Quoting jrweatherman:


I don't have the specifics in front of me but all of the agencies forecasted a significantly above normal year. That did happen. What was missed badly was the forecast of landfalls - specifically in the U.S. No one saw the pattern change that pretty much guarded the entire U.S. all summer.


thanks!
1516. hydrus
Quoting jeffs713:

Good morning! Been hiding much? Long time no see!
Our next severe weather event....
good day all i see CSU forecasts are out

interesting
Quoting jrweatherman:


I don't have the specifics in front of me but all of the agencies forecasted a significantly above normal year. That did happen. What was missed badly was the forecast of landfalls - specifically in the U.S. No one saw the pattern change that pretty much guarded the entire U.S. all summer.



They were right about an active season but they were way wrong when saying there would be numerous landfalls. You are right no one saw that coming where the whole US was basically protected by tropical systems except S TX. I don't think we will be as lucky this year but who knows as for all we know a trough may set up along the US caost and stay there all summer. It's just too early to tell right now.
1520. emcf30


The next round, welcome to April
1521. emcf30
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...DAY 4 /SAT APR 9/...
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SUPPORT ORGANIZED STORMS DEVELOPING OVER PORTIONS OF THE LOWER-MID
MO VALLEY AND SPREADING NEWD INTO THE UPPER MS VALLEY.

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Later next week on is beginning to look WET in FL. Looks like anoter stormy pattern may build into the state which is great because rain this time of year is a bonus. GFS has trended toward the Euro in regards to a wetter pattern again coming to FL.

http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/predictions /814day/
Quoting PcolaDan:
off topic

Study: Maine Most Peaceful State; Louisiana Least
That's gonna make some people mad in the great state of Luissanne! LOL
1524. emcf30
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cool video
This GFS model is showing some very cold air moving in aloft as this potential ULL moves over FL next week. Could get a decent hail event if that verifies for some.
1526. pottery
With regard to Teachers and Education, watch this and Educate yourself...
It is VERY GOOD>>>

Quoting RastaSteve:
Later next week on is beginning to look WET in FL. Looks like anoter stormy pattern may build into the state which is great because rain this time of year is a bonus. GFS has trended toward the Euro in regards to a wetter pattern again coming to FL.

http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/predictions /814day/


That's ok, because yall are gonna dry up come summer wishing for rain with high pressure in control and Texas will be getting the rains and hopefully not the big canes going around the ridge of high pressure steering the storms our way
Quoting emcf30:
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cool video


NICE! Makes me very happy now as the thunderstorm season is closing in fast to C FL. I think our rainy season is going to show up early this year. We may have a similar start to that of 2009 which was May 9th.
1530. emcf30


Looks like Tampa is the big winner for the year
Should I dare say Andrew, Katrina, Rita, Gustav, Ike type paths for the upcoming season?
Quoting RitaEvac:


That's ok, because yall are gonna dry up come summer wishing for rain with high pressure in control and Texas will be getting the rains and hopefully not the big canes going around the ridge of high pressure steering the storms our way


Wouldn't count on that as all indications are for a wet summer here in FL especially C and S FL. Should have lower pressures across FL and the Caribbean this summer adding to the storm potential and cyclone potential as well. I think SE TX at times will fare well rainfall wise this summer but well see!
About Aftershocks.

They normally Decrease over time as the Earth shakes itself off after the Big one.

Sorry for making Mother Nature into a person with that analogy, but it seems to be true.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aftershock and OMORI's Law.

About Education and Teachers.

See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxsOVK4syxU

Quoting emcf30:


Looks like Tampa is the big winner for the year


After yesterday I'm 15.41" for the year here north of Orlando so far with some areas north of Tampa are over 20" for the year.
Tampa has almost had half of what they got all of last year! AMAZING!
Remember StormW?? from his take...


palmharborforecastcenter says:

April 5, 2011 at 11:03 pm
Greg, the Gulf may be a concern, due to the sst anomalies are heating up for one, and if we hit the neutral ENSO pattern, the Azores/Bermuda (A/B) High could set up to where some storms may get steered from the Caribbean, into the Gulf.

1538. emcf30
Quoting RastaSteve:
Tampa has almost had half of what they got all of last year! AMAZING!


Yea that is amazing since were in our DRY season. But as you know have to take it when we can get it. Example in Jan / Feb 1998 we were responding to extreme flooding in the area, historic tornado event which killed many, and a couple of months later was fighting huge wild fires through out CF with extreme drought. Was a crazy year. Thing change.
Quoting cpeterka:

About Education and Teachers.

See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxsOVK4syxU


yes
Quoting RitaEvac:
Remember StormW?? from his take...


palmharborforecastcenter says:

April 5, 2011 at 11:03 pm
Greg, the Gulf may be a concern, due to the sst anomalies are heating up for one, and if we hit the neutral ENSO pattern, the Azores/Bermuda (A/B) High could set up to where some storms may get steered from the Caribbean, into the Gulf.



lol! "Pumping The Ridge" quote was the best! I can't stop laughing thinking about that guy! I do agree with him though all joking aside infact if you back and look at my post from last evening that is exactly what i said too. Although some didn't like that on here and I got called a doomcaster. I think we may very well have a cat3 to cat5 in the Gulf this year as it has virtually been untouched since 2008.
Quoting cpeterka:

About Education and Teachers.

See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxsOVK4syxU

Got some other videos that are good also,thanks!
Quoting RastaSteve:


lol! "Pumping The Ridge" quote was the best! I can't stop laughing thinking about that guy! I do agree with him though all joking aside infact if you back and look at my post from last evening that is exactly what i said too. Although some didn't like that on here and I got called a doomcaster. I think we may very well have a cat3 to cat5 in the Gulf this year as it has virtually been untouched since 2008.



The odds of a storm are great because there has not been one. I am not sure how long or what the longest length of time between a major cane in the GOM. Wish i had the time to look at that.
Quoting pottery:
With regard to Teachers and Education, watch this and Educate yourself...
It is VERY GOOD>>>



Awesome stuff there. And the part about Shakespeare - BRILLIANT!!!! LMAO
1544. Levi32
Quoting TampaSpin:



The odds of a storm are great because there has not been one. I am not sure how long or what the longest length of time between a major cane in the GOM. Wish i had the time to look at that.


We had one last year, and very nearly two.
Quoting TampaSpin:



The odds of a storm are great because there has not been one. I am not sure how long or what the longest length of time between a major cane in the GOM. Wish i had the time to look at that.


If you state it like that we haven't had a major cane in the Gulf since 2005 if I'm not mistaken. I believe IKE and Gustav were Cat. 2's in the Gulf.
Quoting Levi32:


We had one last year, and very nearly two.


Niether were cat 3 though right?
1547. Levi32
Quoting RastaSteve:


Niether were cat 3 though right?


Hurricane Karl was a Cat 3.
1548. Levi32
Quoting RastaSteve:


If you state it like that we haven't had a major cane in the Gulf since 2005 if I'm not mistaken. I believe IKE and Gustav were Cat. 2's in the Gulf.


Gustav had a peak intensity of Cat 3 in the gulf.

Quoting Levi32:


Hurricane Karl was a Cat 3.


Yeah I remember now but that was deep in the BOC and small in size though.
Quoting Levi32:


Gustav had a peak intensity of Cat 3 in the gulf.



Thanks, Levi32!
Quoting PcolaDan:


Awesome stuff there. And the part about Shakespeare - BRILLIANT!!!! LMAO
agreed... one quote i like in particular, and pertinent to this blog actually: "if you're not prepared to be wrong, you'll never come up with anything original"
1552. kwgirl
Quoting pottery:
With regard to Teachers and Education, watch this and Educate yourself...
It is VERY GOOD>>>

Thanks Pottery. That was wonderful. If only I could believe that our education system would embrace this ideology and change education in such a way. It is a wonderful video.
Quoting Levi32:


Hurricane Karl was a Cat 3.



Ya, i forgot about Karl...my old age memory...:)
1554. Levi32
For the sake of the question, though, the longest that the Gulf of Mexico has gone without a major hurricane since 1950 has been 3 consecutive seasons, on three different occasions. In general, since 1950, the gulf rarely goes more than two seasons without a major hurricane passing through.
lol, that ho77yw00d girl put out her address on that site,
Quoting RitaEvac:
lol, that ho77yw00d girl put out her address on that site,


Stupid!



A lot of rain in the North.....Flooding is gonna be a problem down stream in the River Valleys.

this hurricane season will look more like this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a a/2004_Atlantic_hurricane_season_map.png

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d d/2008_Atlantic_hurricane_season_map.png

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f 5/2007_Atlantic_hurricane_season_map.png

and 2 out of 3 ends up starting in may
and 2 out of 3 had cat 5 canes
all 3 had a good concentrations of storms in the NW carib, GOM, Florida, US E Coast so yep a big year for us

my predictions
TD: 17-20
_________
TS: 16-18
HU: 08-11
MH: 03-05

sorry for the pics bad computetr
Where's ol Weather456 now days?
Quoting PcolaDan:
off topic

Study: Maine Most Peaceful State; Louisiana Least


I believe that. Although I've not spent much time in LA, we've spent time in Maine and it was absolutely one of the most peaceful and best vacations we've been on.
Highs of 72 and chilly during June was an interesting change from the sweltering humidity and heat of SWFL.
Quoting RitaEvac:
lol, that ho77yw00d girl put out her address on that site,



What did she do?
If you want to save your state parks in FL then you better start writing Congress as Alien Man wants to destroy them. NO JOKE! A must read. I leave near one and the park I live near is one of the ones he wants a Golf Course built on.

Another terrible idea via Gov. Scott
By Anthony Westbury on March 9, 2011 11:45 AM


Share: A story today by Jim Turner about the possibility of building Jack Nicklaus-designed golf courses on 18 of Florida's state parks is just the latest terrible idea to bear the fingerprints of Governor Rick Scott.


Apparently Nicklaus suggested the concept during a phone conversation with Scott, as a way of boosting tourism. And it's already gotten the Governor's seal of approval.

Even though Nicklaus would halve his normal design fee to "only" $625,000 a pop and would waive the fee completely for a design at Jonathan Dickinson (presumably becasue Nicklaus lievs in nearby Jupiter?), this is still an absolutely terrible idea.

First, Florida's state parks are the last bastions of the natural environment that once spread across large swaths of the state. They are isolated, undeveloped places where wildlife can thrive. The parks' logo is a panther and the tags you can buy at park gift stores say "Visit the REAL Florida" (as in virgin, untouched or unsullied).

A neat, manicured golf course is the last thing we need in these wild areas. The two uses seem to me (an avid user of state parks) completely incompatible. It's almost as bad as the crazy idea one of our county commissioners once had about letting FPL build wind turbines on public land.

The state parks are for everybody, not just those who can afford the fees and equipment needed to play golf.


Having camped at Jonatha Dickinson several times, I can't really see where they'd put a golf course anyway, and I cannot see how a course would not impact the very loneliness of the pace that attracts thousands of people a year.

As for boosting tourism? Well, if you've ever tried to find a camping spot at nearly any of our state parks during the season, you'll know the parks don't really need any extra visiitors, especially on weekedns or holidays. They're packed to the gills already, Jack and Rick..

Of course, there's always an exception. The recently reprieved Savannas State Preserve isn't very busy and perhaps could do with more visitors. Luckily in that case, there's already a golf course next door on pirvate land (Gator Trace).

Thank goodness the Audubon of Martin County board of directors for voting down this stupid idea. Let's hope this dumb idea dies a quick and unnatural death.



Big news on Talk radio here in orlando as Rick Scott wants Golf Coarses built in our state parks.
Monday, March 28, 2011
Really, Really, Bad Idea: Golf Courses in State Parks
Everyone knows that Florida has too many golf courses competing for too few players. Hard times have come to Florida%u2019s golf courses, the economy, an aging clientele, fewer snowbirds, and a shrinking year round population all have made it harder to make a profit.

But now we hear about a dastardly idea from Jack Nicklaus and Rick Scott called the %u201CJack Nicklaus Golf Trail of Florida%u201D act. This is sponsored by Sen. Thrasher and Rep. Pat Rooney, a scary pair who I am sure would have no scruples about also paving over the rest of the Everglades.

This insanity will put new golf courses in a minimum of 5 state parks financed by bonds and designed by guess who?
Look what happens when the governmenttries to run a golf course, this from a post by Mark Woods:

%u201CPerhaps our politicians should look at Georgia. The state has golf courses in 10 state parks. Most consistently lose money. So a couple of years ago Georgia tried to privatize the ones it runs. Didn't get any qualified bidders. And in this economy, nobody is building new courses.%u201D

%u201C%u2026Last year, even with cut rates, the number of rounds played on the First Coast was down by 9.6 percent. And in the last five years, a half dozen courses in North Florida have closed - including one designed by another legendary golfer, Arnold Palmer.%u201D
But %u201Cbusiness friendly%u201D Scott who wants to privatize everything else wants to pollute our parks, and ruin the beautiful natural environments that draw 20 million visitors a year without even the need for putting greens.



There can be no argument that golf courses are water hogs and are liberally strewn with herbicides and pesticides, a byproduct of which is arsenic contamination and nitrate polluted runoff water. Oh, yes, and in doing this he doesn%u2019t seem to care that he will be taking business away from the courses that are already there.

One park named to be co-opted by Nicklaus is the Martin County Jonathan Dickenson Park. A park surrounded by golf courses already struggling for players. Won%u2019t they be thrilled by the competition? The list below is of the courses in Martin County%u2019s 752.79 square miles, one course for every 16.7 square miles. But Jack and Rick think we need another one.
1561, nothing
1567. emcf30
Quoting RastaSteve:
No matter if you are republican or Democratic everyone should agree this is a disatrious idea buy this idiot we call Governor.


amen
1568. Jax82
More than twice as many people disapprove of Gov. Rick Scott as did in early February, according to a poll released today by the independent Quinnipiac University.

Scott's approval rating remained the same, at 35 percent, in the survey conducted March 29 of 1,499 registered Florida voters. The poll had a margin of error of plus or minus 2.5 percent.

His negatives — those people who don't like his performance — jumped from 22 percent on Feb. 2 to 48 percent in the most recent poll. Quinnipiac also found that 47 percent of those polled say the governor's budget cuts "go to far," 16 percent say they "don't go far enough" and 29 percent say they are "about right."

There was no ambiguity about Scott's proposal to drug-test state workers. Seventy-eight percent of respondents thought it was a good idea.

Voters didn't like the governor's idea to tie teachers' pay to standardized tests. Fifty-seven percent opposed it; 39 percent approved. They split at 47 percent each on the idea to eliminate tenure for public school teachers hired after July 1.

“Today, Scott is a four-letter word to many Florida voters, but political popularity can change with time," said Peter A. Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute. "The experience of Scott’s predecessor, Charlie Crist, who had 70 percent approval ratings at this point in his tenure, shows how fickle public opinion can be.”

Link
The "Golf Courses on State Parks" idea was an ignorant one, but corporate money is involved so look for Scott to approach that particular hog trough again in the future. But for now, the issue is a dead one:

Jack Nicklaus Golf Bill Withdrawn

"The Senate on Tuesday, March 15, officially accepted a motion to withdraw from consideration a bill (SB 1846) that drew heavy criticism for proposing to let Jack Nicklaus build new golf courses in state parks."

(To be fair, though, while Scott was all over this, it wasn't his idea; that goes to John Thrasher, the former head of the Republican Party of Florida, and a monstrous miscreant in his own right.)
Quoting DestinJeff:
Smells like feet in here. Weird.

I think we all learned last season especially that all the forecast agreement in the world doesn't automatically lead to verification of those forecasts.

The Dr at FSU (Ryan?) was the only one I recall indicating that 2010 would be not such a big deal for US impact.

That's because Maue is a consummate downcaster and GW denier. I believe he actually forecast a below-average Atlantic season last year so far as ACE, number of storms, and U.S. landfalls were concerned. You gotta watch that guy; he's a tricky one... ;-)
Not trying to start another fight on religion. I always thought the Pope was on the other side of this issue. Maybe others were not aware also. If nothing else, one more large institution weighing in on the subject of climate change.

Link is to the full NPR article
Link

......
Many Catholics in the Philippines, who make up more than 80 percent of the population, believe that God is responsible for natural phenomena. But it's a sentiment the church is trying to change and not just in the Philippines.

The Vatican has become very interested in climate change. This year, Pope Benedict XVI hosted a conference on global warming. And he has announced plans to preserve forests, install solar cells, and make Vatican City a carbon-neutral state.

The Vatican considers global warming a pressing issue in part because there is evidence that man is contributing
........
Quoting RastaSteve:
No matter if you are republican or Democratic everyone should agree this is a disatrious idea buy this idiot we call Governor.


Medicare fraud to Governor. Hmmm...he has a ton of disastrous ideas and we're likely going to have most of them rammed down our throats. We don't have recall provisions here in FL but at the rate he's going, the cronyism and conflicts of interest are piling up so who knows...maybe we'll achieve the same result.
1575. JRRP
.
JRRP...what is that map indicating?
Puerto Rico Earthquake Situation
Link
rain coming soon
1579. emcf30
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This would suck
Quoting RastaSteve:
No matter if you are republican or Democratic everyone should agree this is a disatrious idea buy this idiot we call Governor.


I'm an independent (lean heavily conservative on financial issues), avid golfer and huge Jack Nicklaus fan.


This is a disatrous idea by this idiot we call a governor. :o)

We already have too many golf courses in the state. Many are struggling terribly. This idea won't get very far. Smart of Nicklaus to suggest though. I'll give him credit for trying.
1581. P451
Quoting RitaEvac:
Remember StormW?? from his take...


palmharborforecastcenter says:

April 5, 2011 at 11:03 pm
Greg, the Gulf may be a concern, due to the sst anomalies are heating up for one, and if we hit the neutral ENSO pattern, the Azores/Bermuda (A/B) High could set up to where some storms may get steered from the Caribbean, into the Gulf.



Only if it pumps the ridge and pours wine on toes is this a concern.

Seriously though we always chat temps. Always. We never look at the atmosphere on this blog. Why is that? Never mention shear. Never mention dust. Never mention moisture.

It's always "OMG THE GULF IS 90F WE ALL DOOM!"

And the 80kt winds of shear, the 10% humidity, and the choking dust are all ignored......


It could be 100F for all I care. If the atmosphere is not ripe then nothing will form and nothing will happen. Since 2008 we have seen hot water and multiple storms fail to form because of shear, lack of moist air, and dust. And only then. Only then is it mentioned. "Oh there was shear that's why it didn't take off."

Until that moment? What do we always hear? "OMFG LIKE THE GULF IS LIKE 90F AND STUFF WE ALL GUNNA DIE!!!"


Blog meteorology at it's worst.
1582. Jax82
Quoting jasonweatherman2010:
rain coming soon


No more Jasoncoolman? lol
1583. P451
Also I don't care if the Gulf or Carribean are 10F above normal today. They WONT be 10F above normal come the peak of the season. Maybe a 1 or 2F above normal.

People act as if it's 80F somewhere today that it will be 100F tomorrow when in fact it will just be it's 82F tomorrow.

Water water water water WATER. That's all I see on this blog and then I see dozens of bloggers confused and angry when a patch of clouds fails to form into a Cat 5 just because it crossed that warm water.

Trying to teach you folks here.....look to the skies not the oceans.


We've had Cat 1 hurricanes in the East Atlantic in 55F water.

Wonder why?

We've had a nicely spinning tropical wave dissipate in 88F water.

Wonder why?

Talking politics?.I'm outta here.
Quoting P451:


Only if it pumps the ridge and pours wine on toes is this a concern.

Seriously though we always chat temps. Always. We never look at the atmosphere on this blog. Why is that? Never mention shear. Never mention dust. Never mention moisture.

It's always "OMG THE GULF IS 90F WE ALL DOOM!"

And the 80kt winds of shear, the 10% humidity, and the choking dust are all ignored......


It could be 100F for all I care. If the atmosphere is not ripe then nothing will form and nothing will happen. Since 2008 we have seen hot water and multiple storms fail to form because of shear, lack of moist air, and dust. And only then. Only then is it mentioned. "Oh there was shear that's why it didn't take off."

Until that moment? What do we always hear? "OMFG LIKE THE GULF IS LIKE 90F AND STUFF WE ALL GUNNA DIE!!!"


Blog meteorology at it's worst.

Um... you said the same thing yesterday, and several people posted very similar responses... At this time of the year, SSTs are ALL we have to talk about. The atmosphere is too dynamic to be talking about right now for the season that doesn't start for 2 months.

I'm well aware that the A/B high is prognosticated to park itself in a position for storms to go further west than they did last year. Do I know what the shear map is going to look like on June 18th at 12z? No. Does anyone? No. Then why talk about it???

This argument, while it is very valid, is a month or two early. If you posted this exactly two months from now, about half a dozen of us would be backing you up. Right now... we are just looking at you funny like the guy who walked into a chess club meeting wearing a toga and shouting "BEER!".

All that said... P451's words will be entirely valid come June, and many of the bloggers here would be well advised to heed his bits of wisdom.
Quoting P451:
Also I don't care if the Gulf or Carribean are 10F above normal today. They WONT be 10F above normal come the peak of the season. Maybe a 1 or 2F above normal.

People act as if it's 80F somewhere today that it will be 100F tomorrow when in fact it will just be it's 82F tomorrow.

Water water water water WATER. That's all I see on this blog and then I see dozens of bloggers confused and angry when a patch of clouds fails to form into a Cat 5 just because it crossed that warm water.

Trying to teach you folks here.....look to the skies not the oceans.


We've had Cat 1 hurricanes in the East Atlantic in 55F water.

Wonder why?

We've had a nicely spinning tropical wave dissipate in 88F water.

Wonder why?


Idk which "people" you are referring to, but as far as I know, nobody on the blog believes that.

I've already explained this before, the reason why SSTs are posted soooo much, is not because people think they're the only factor, but because it's the easiest factor to understand and be used at this point in time (~50 days from hurricane season) to predict what type of season we may have.


Trying to determine sheer, steering currents, MJO, and other factors which are equally important when considering tc formation is much more complicated. Often times, the only way to do so is by looking at model forecasts for what the ao, nao, el nino/la nina will be doing. Of course the models aren't very helpful since they show one hundred lines going in all different directions. Additionally, you have to have a good understanding of these teleconnections to know what a positive or negative phase will mean for hurricane season.

Point being, at this point in time, SSTs are the easiest factor to be considered. And in reality, the only factor that can accurately be considered.



Aside from SSTs being the easiest to understand and predict, SSTs are important. You're right, come July/August, temps will be the same as always give or take a degree or two. But in late May early June that difference can mean the difference between a hurricane forming or not forming. Additionally, even in July/August an extra degree or two of warmth is significant because there's more fuel for storms. Meaning formation is more likely, formation is typically quicker, and the potential to reach a major hurricane is also higher.
1587. P451
1585 and 1586 good posts and replies. Have a good day.
Quoting Jax82:


No more Jasoncoolman? lol


easily has the award for most nicknames...
Quoting washingtonian115:
Talking politics?.I'm outta here.

Yea, pretty lame today. Seems like the minute severe weather drops off politics pop there ugly head.

I know I'm not one to really talk, but I'm going to make my effort to stay away from discussing anything not related to weather or what is in Dr. Masters' entry. Hopefully others on here will at least try to do the same.


There are many places on the internet to discuss politics folks. Also, we have a climate change blog on wunderground now, so if it's climate related send it over there
Quoting TomTaylor:

Yea, pretty lame today. Seems like the minute severe weather drops off politics pop there ugly head.

I know I'm not one to really talk, but I'm going to make my effort to stay away from discussing anything not related to weather or in Dr. Masters' entry. Hopefully others on here will at least try to do the same.


There are many places on the internet to discuss politics folks. Also, we have a climate change blog on wunderground now, so if it's climate related send it over there


So what are we going to talk about?
My thoughts of the upcoming 2011 Atlantic Hurricane Season: 15-20 named storms, 6-10 hurricanes of which 3-6 are major. A subtropical storm may form off-season like much later in the month or more likely in May, the US will see 2-3 hurricane landfalls (one significant to major, probably along the Gulf Coast and one minimal hurricane could hit Florida) there will be a very powerful hurricane in the Caribbean and a couple of names may get retired.
Quoting VAbeachhurricanes:


So what are we going to talk about?
Weather :)

I'm not the blog controller, you are free to discuss whatever. I just would like if it stayed fairly on topic...
Quoting TomTaylor:
Weather :)

I'm not the blog controller, you are free to discuss whatever. I just would like if it stayed fairly on topic...


haha, well the weather outside is beautiful. Love the weather during spring after a cold front comes through.
Not weather related, but: Glenn Beck is leaving his show.


Can I get a THANK GOD?
no rain at my house!!

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I'm sure the CSU 2011 hurricane season forecasts were already posted, but if anybody missed it, here they are



Named Storms (NS) (9.6) 17 16
Named Storm Days (NSD) (49.1) 85 80
Hurricanes (H) (5.9) 9 9
Hurricane Days (HD) (24.5) 40 35
Major Hurricanes (MH) (2.3) 5 5
Major Hurricane Days (MHD) (5.0) 10 10
Accumulated Cyclone Energy (ACE) (96.1) 165 160
Net Tropical Cyclone Activity (NTC) (100%) 180 175

The number in parenthesis is the average from 1950-2000. The second number is the Dec 8, 2010 forecast. The third number is the April 6, 2011 forecast.


As a comparison, Accuweather predicted on March 30

Named storms: 15. Hurricanes: 8. Major: 3

News Article Link
Direct Link to CSU PDF

Quotes:
"The team predicts a 72 percent chance that at least one major hurricane will make landfall in the U.S. The long-term average probability is 52 percent. The landfall chances for the East Coast, from Florida north, is put at 48 percent. The long-term average probability is 31 percent.

Last year in April, the CSU team predicted 15 named storms, 8 hurricanes and 4 major hurricanes. The actual count was 19 named storms (the third-most active season on record), 12 hurricanes, and 5 major hurricanes. No hurricanes made landfall in the U.S."

"The closest analogs for the 2011 setup were found to be 1955, 1996, 2006 and 2008."
Quoting caneswatch:
Not weather related, but: Glenn Beck is leaving his show.


Can I get a THANK GOD?
Yes, you can

Thank God!!
Quoting caneswatch:
Not weather related, but: Glenn Beck is leaving his show.


Can I get a THANK GOD?
Owwww Glenn Beck.I don't have a bone in my body that actually feels orry for that due.At least that's one maniac leaving T.V.Now I saw the CSU forecast,and I can fairly agree with that.That doesn't seem to bold or consecuative.Remember everybody no matter how you looked at it.2010 was a big hype.Some people before the season started was already calling it the worst hurricane season.
i think a hurricane will hit the east caost this year!!
Quoting caneswatch:
Not weather related, but: Glenn Beck is leaving his show.


Can I get a THANK GOD?


Never watch the dude but I did catch a little bit of his radio show in the car the other day. One of his advertisers is a seed vault that will sell you enough seed to start your own 1-acre 'crisis garden' for when the revolution starts (i guess).

Thought that would be a great name for the Situation Room in the White House. "President Obama is meeting with the joint chiefs in the Crisis Garden."
"There are indications that the region is becoming very unstable. At any time a large earthquake could hit"

Where are you getting this dreck? This borders on criminal mischief in my opinion.


Quoting PRweathercenter:
Puerto Rico Earthquake Situation
Link
Quoting P451:


Only if it pumps the ridge and pours wine on toes is this a concern.

Seriously though we always chat temps. Always. We never look at the atmosphere on this blog. Why is that? Never mention shear. Never mention dust. Never mention moisture.

It's always "OMG THE GULF IS 90F WE ALL DOOM!"

And the 80kt winds of shear, the 10% humidity, and the choking dust are all ignored......


It could be 100F for all I care. If the atmosphere is not ripe then nothing will form and nothing will happen. Since 2008 we have seen hot water and multiple storms fail to form because of shear, lack of moist air, and dust. And only then. Only then is it mentioned. "Oh there was shear that's why it didn't take off."

Until that moment? What do we always hear? "OMFG LIKE THE GULF IS LIKE 90F AND STUFF WE ALL GUNNA DIE!!!"


Blog meteorology at it's worst.

To me, the only thing as shortsighted as claiming that SSTs are the sole driver of TC development is claiming that they play no part in it.

I think most people here are aware that it takes a lot more than warm water to create a tropical cyclone. I also think most who've been around a while can remember many times that water seemingly warm enough to boil has failed to produce a thing--just as those same people can remember times when waters thought too cool for TC development nevertheless saw something spin up. But as I and others have said before: all other things being equal, warmer water will tend to favor TC development more than cooler water will.

As Tom Taylor has pointed out, warm water in the MDR, especially when it's early, is something we can all track. And it's fairly easy to forecast: none of us can say with any degree of certainty whether there'll be a huge African dust plume across the MDR two weeks from now, or how high wind shear will be in a month. But anyone can see that waters several degrees above normal in April will almost certainly lead to waters several degrees above normal in June and July--and that is a positive thing so far as TCs are concerned.

Something else: the earlier the water warms up, the deeper that heat is driven, and the greater the pool of heat energy (TCHP) there will be for any storms to draw from. Also, the deeper the warm water extends, the less chance there is for any transiting storm to upwell those cooler, deeper, strength-sapping waters. And finally, the more heat that is stored in any one season, the more there may be for the following one--a phenomenon which may explain what's happening now.

To summarize: while high SSTs alone won't make a TC, it's a long-established fact that TCs can and will feast on those hot waters. Obsessing over SSTs may be foolish and futile, but following them is anything but.
Hurricane forecast season is now officially open.
"The CSU team now calls for 16 named storms instead of 17 forming in the Atlantic basin between June 1 and Nov. 30. Nine of those are expected to turn into hurricanes with five developing into major hurricanes (Saffir/Simpson category 3-4-5) with sustained winds of 111 mph or greater."
1605. MrMixon
Quoting UPRM1CIMA:
"There are indications that the region is becoming very unstable. At any time a large earthquake could hit"

Where are you getting this dreck? This borders on criminal mischief in my opinion.




I had the same thought. While some might find the presentation cute, it is severely lacking in data and usable information. The claim about the region becoming unstable is extraordinary. And as Carl Sagan famously said, "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."

Yes, a swarm of small earthquakes could be the precursor to a larger quake, but they could just as likely be a sign that stress has been relieved from the fault, thus reducing the likelihood of a larger earthquake.
Early summer is coming for Central Florida, upper 80's to 90's arriving later this week and holding strong!
Well said MrMixon (and Carl).

Quoting MrMixon:


I had the same thought. While some might find the presentation cute, it is severely lacking in data and usable information. The claim about the region becoming unstable is extraordinary. And as Carl Sagan famously said, "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."
New information was released today, stated predictions of 16 expected major hurricanes this upcoming hurricane season.

Some people may think it is too early to think about hurricane season, but with the massive damage that has occurred in our South Florida area in the past from hurricanes, it is never too early to begin to prepare.

The initial 2011 Atlantic hurricane season (which begins June 1st) predicted hurricane activity already came out, but the numbers have since changed. Experts expect that five of the expected hurricanes would be major systems that would bring gusts of winds greater than 110 mph.

In December, two climatologists from Colorado State University Phil Klotzbach and William Gray predicted 17 named storms. These included nine hurricanes, five of which were to be serious storms. With the average number of storms being 11, the current number of 16 named storms constitutes a very busy season. Although not quite as busy as last year, which brought us 19 names storms, including 12 hurricanes.

Klotzbach said, “We have reduced our forecast slightly from early December due to a combination of recent ocean warming in the eastern and central tropical Pacific and recent cooling in the tropical Atlantic.”

Let’s hope to get as lucky as last year, as not one hurricane actually hit the United States coastline. Klotzbach and Gray predict a 72% chance that at least one major hurricane will hit the United States this season, with a 48% chance that a major hurricane will strike the U.S. East coast, including the Florida Peninsula.

New updated predictions will be released by The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration on May 19.
Quoting Jedkins01:
Early summer is coming for Central Florida, upper 80's to 90's arriving later this week and holding strong!


A few degrees cooler in NE FL but still quite warm. Looks relatively dry for the foreseeable future. Hope the wildfire season doesn't kick into high gear.
Quoting Jedkins01:
Early summer is coming for Central Florida, upper 80's to 90's arriving later this week and holding strong!
Lucky.

Here in San Diego, it's the most boring weather you can ever find. The temps are neither cold nor warm. It is neither sunny nor rainy. Air is neither dry nor humid. The wind is dead.

Overcast at 65 right now.

Year round souther california has some of the more moderate weather on earth. But it is this type of weather that is at the apex, climax, zenith, peak, pinnacle, top, summit, ridge, or crest, of boring weather.
Quoting UPRM1CIMA:
"There are indications that the region is becoming very unstable. At any time a large earthquake could hit"

Where are you getting this dreck? This borders on criminal mischief in my opinion.




Who's behind that PRweather center page??
What scientific support does it has?

I prefer USGS info....
I just read the update on this upcoming hurricane season from CSU. Not much of a change, except that they really think the U.S. gets hit this year.

If a major hurricane hits the U.S. coast there someone at WU that will go out in the thing with video and audio? The only one I ever knew here that was crazy enough to do it was old CycloneOz. I do not know if he is in or out this coming year. His blog is still banned (can't remember what he did to deserve that but whatever). His website is still up but not updated.

So is someone here is ready to pick up where he left off?

I really want to see what it is like for a hurricane coming on shore without talking heads and commercials.
Quoting RastaSteve:


Oh it gets worse! I live right next to the Wekiva Springs State park and he also wants to build Golf Couress in every State park in FL and a hotel for people to stay at in the STATE PARK! Rick Scott and Jack flippin Nickelson thinks this is a great idea and Jack Nickelson said he will develope the Blue prints for this project for a REDUCED FEE! Come on you idiots leave nature ALONE!




My advice to anyone, if you want to spend time doing something important or accomplish anything, and you want to keep your sanity, stay away from politics. Its a never ending losing battle between selfish people who never admit they are wrong or work together with others to actually do something good for people. Politics is like hoping to find away to avoid death, or how to stop pooping.
Good link for PR seismicity

http://redsismica.uprm.edu/english/




Quoting sunlinepr:


Who's behind that PRweather center page??
What scientific support does it has?

I prefer USGS info....
Quoting TomTaylor:
Lucky.

Here in San Diego, it's the most boring weather you can ever find. The temps are neither cold nor warm. It is neither sunny nor rainy. Air is neither dry nor humid. The wind is dead.

Overcast at 65 right now.

Year round souther california has some of the more moderate weather on earth. But it is this type of weather that is at the apex, climax, zenith, peak, pinnacle, top, summit, ridge, or crest, of boring weather.


One of my biggest fears as a kid was that one day I would be forced to live in Southern California lol, not like my parents ever considered it, but always being a weather geek from birth, Southern California was obviously the most hated weather place in the entire U.S. accept for maybe Nevada too!

That sucks for you man, look for a job opportunity in Florida or something haha
Quoting StAugustineFL:


A few degrees cooler in NE FL but still quite warm. Looks relatively dry for the foreseeable future. Hope the wildfire season doesn't kick into high gear.




Well I don't think there will be a wild fire season down here this year in Central Florida! My rainfall for the year is over 20 inches so far, we had 13 inches last week with that crazy weather, and we just had close to an inch with the fast moving squall line yesterday!
Quoting Jedkins01:




Well I don't think there will be a wild fire season down here this year in Central Florida! My rainfall for the year is over 20 inches so far, we had 13 inches last week with that crazy weather, and we just had close to an inch with the fast moving squall line yesterday!

Yes i agree, I've had 23.83 inches this year so far and got almost 13 last week. lovin it. z-hills fl.
Quoting DARPAsockpuppet:

Well atleast the dew point is low.
1620. Grothar
Quoting TomTaylor:
Lucky.

Here in San Diego, it's the most boring weather you can ever find. The temps are neither cold nor warm. It is neither sunny nor rainy. Air is neither dry nor humid. The wind is dead.

Overcast at 65 right now.

Year round souther california has some of the more moderate weather on earth. But it is this type of weather that is at the apex, climax, zenith, peak, pinnacle, top, summit, ridge, or crest, of boring weather.


Could you be a little more specific? LOL
1621. MrMixon
Re: #1617

I think I would literally weep if it was 100°F on April 6th... of course, that's why I chose a higher latitude and elevation to call home. Hoping against hope for snow in Nederland, CO tonight (getting sick of the constant red flag warnings...).
Quoting severstorm:

Yes i agree, I've had 23.83 inches this year so far and got almost 13 last week. lovin it. z-hills fl.


You live only about 20 miles from me or something like that so that explains the similarity. Except for during sea breeze storm circulations. Then our rainfall amounts could be quite a bit different!
Quoting Jedkins01:




Well I don't think there will be a wild fire season down here this year in Central Florida! My rainfall for the year is over 20 inches so far, we had 13 inches last week with that crazy weather, and we just had close to an inch with the fast moving squall line yesterday!


I'd guesstimate 10-12" YTD. Not bad, not great. IMO, runoff from heavy rains + above normal temps + wind + low humidity + Florida heat (not the Publix bagger) = potential for high fire danger. You've fared much better in your region but I'm curious to see how things unfold up this way the next 6 weeks or so.
Quoting Grothar:


Could you be a little more specific? LOL

Sorry groth, my thesaurus is out of words ):
Quoting Jedkins01:


One of my biggest fears as a kid was that one day I would be forced to live in Southern California lol, not like my parents ever considered it, but always being a weather geek from birth, Southern California was obviously the most hated weather place in the entire U.S. accept for maybe Nevada too!

That sucks for you man, look for a job opportunity in Florida or something haha

lol. if I were to move anywhere for weather it'd have to have a tropical climate, so Florida would be an option
1625. IKE
Jeez...what a surprise!

(CNN) - Fox News Channel anchor Glenn
Beck will end his daily show later this year to develop and produce a variety of
television projects to air on the channel, according to a release Wednesday.
The new agreement between FNC and Mercury Radio Arts will ensure Beck appears
on the television network and through other "digital properties."

"Glenn Beck is a powerful communicator, a creative
entrepreneur and a true success by anybody's standards. I look forward to
continuing to work with him," Fox News Chairman and CEO Roger Ailes said in a
statement.
"Glenn Beck" launched in 2009. The host previously hosted a show on CNN's
sister network HLN.
Howard Kurtz, Washington bureau chief for The Daily Beast and host of CNN's
"Reliable Sources" said the split was a "divorce many months in the making."
"By the end, both sides wanted out," Kurtz said in an email. "Beck's show
proved too radioactive for Fox, and the network became an uncomfortable home for
Glenn Beck."
#1608
Klotzbach said, “We have reduced our forecast slightly from early December due to a combination of recent ocean warming in the eastern and central tropical Pacific and recent cooling in the tropical Atlantic.”


Does that essentially mean they are expecting slightly more shear than they were earlier? Or is there more to the story?

WTO
1627. flsky
Ha! Do I agree with this. I lived in CA my entire life until 6 years ago when I moved to CF. I used to even drive to Tucson to get a fix of some "monsoon" weather. I'm so much happier here in FL.
Quoting TomTaylor:
Lucky.

Here in San Diego, it's the most boring weather you can ever find. The temps are neither cold nor warm. It is neither sunny nor rainy. Air is neither dry nor humid. The wind is dead.

Overcast at 65 right now.

Year round souther california has some of the more moderate weather on earth. But it is this type of weather that is at the apex, climax, zenith, peak, pinnacle, top, summit, ridge, or crest, of boring weather.
Evening Everybody1
Quiet night over here on the northern fringes of the Straits of Gibraltar,(for a change.}
So in keeping with NOAA's predictions, {and my, aren't they good?} we had record temps today in Spain of 33/c in the north and on the north coast,some reports said that temps were as high as 37/c so that's about 100F. 33/c is about 90+ on the 'F' scale, winds were about 70 MPH in the Ronda, Andalucia, where we were messing trying to tie down a windmill to a few adjacent olive trees, as the concrete anchors had got a bit loose, as they do!!
The record temps for April are set to be maintained or beaten, {as they were today,} this week and although we normally have about 14/22c at this time of year this is going to be an anomaly.
As everybody in the Americas is talking about the hurricane season we would like to stick our oar in and say we estimate that there will be 11, named storms this year in the Atlantic and a few that nearly make it, {also rans,-blews,}Just a speculation so to say!We of course had the first 'invest' up in the top half in March and we feel we might yet get another.
1629. Grothar
Quoting Jedkins01:




Well I don't think there will be a wild fire season down here this year in Central Florida! My rainfall for the year is over 20 inches so far, we had 13 inches last week with that crazy weather, and we just had close to an inch with the fast moving squall line yesterday!



We have hardly had a drop since October.


Wow! Nevermind about boring weather, check this out

Composite radar



Light drizzle spreading across the county now! A rotating super cell is strengthening and feeding off the chilly sub 60 degree waters off the coast. This is big news. Rainrates are about 0.01 inches an hour, give or take 0.01 inches. Reports of large hail are non existent. However, a stiff gale was clocked in at roughly 6mph at the San Diego Lindbergh Field international airport. I expect nws to issue a flash flood warning within the hour. Stay safe fellow San Diegans, this could get nasty fast.
1631. Grothar

WTI Crude Oil
$108.83 ▲0.49
1633. Grothar
Quoting TomTaylor:
Wow! Nevermind about boring weather, check this out


Light drizzle spreading across the county now! A rotating super cell is strengthening and feeding off the chilly sub 60 degree waters off the coast. This is big news. Rainrates are about 0.01 inches an hour. I expect nws to issue a flash flood warning within the hour. Stay safe fellow San Diegans, this could get nasty fast.


Sound scary!
Quoting flsky:
Ha! Do I agree with this. I lived in CA my entire life until 6 years ago when I moved to CF. I used to even drive to Tucson to get a fix of some "monsoon" weather. I'm so much happier here in FL.


When I first moved to California, I felt like I was living under a blue dome. It was actually claustrophobic - I was used to big Alberta skies with lots of different cloud types.

I've also lived in Utah (Salt Lake). Of the three, it would be my favorite - it has all of the seasons in good measure. And great skiing.

WTO
This isn't weather, but it is science. From the NY Times:

Physicists at the Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory are planning to announce Wednesday that they have found a suspicious bump in their data that could be evidence of a new elementary particle or even, some say, a new force of nature.
...
“Nobody knows what this is,” said Christopher Hill, a theorist at Fermilab who was not part of the team. “If it is real, it would be the most significant discovery in physics in half a century.”

Link to full story (NY Times is now a pay site)
Senor Grothar,
I do deeply apologise for not replying to your enquiry a few night ago about the presence of 'olive trees' in my area, as you stated you were very fond of them and their fruit.

Well those Roman people and later those Arab chappies planted millions of the said 'olive trees' here in my area and the natives of Iberia have been improving them ever since. From my house roof I can see over 10,000, of the things and we have 2 olive oil factories in my town and almost every town around here has at lest one, for either oil, or olives preserved, or cured raw.

We have a contact in Boston, Mass. who can send you some as you state you are an indulger but we would need a PO box, or similar. They will be visiting here in June so can be persuaded to courier to the US.
1637. Grothar
Quoting PlazaRed:
Senor Grothar,
I do deeply apologise for not replying to your enquiry a few night ago about the presence of 'olive trees' in my area, as you stated you were very fond of them and their fruit.

Well those Roman people and later those Arab chappies planted millions of the said 'olive trees' here in my area and the natives of Iberia have been improving them ever since. From my house roof I can see over 10,000, of the things and we have 2 olive oil factories in my town and almost every town around here has at lest one, for either oil, or olives preserved, or cured raw.

We have a contact in Boston, Mass. who can send you some as you state you are an indulger but we would need a PO box, or similar. They will be visiting here in June so can be persuaded to courier to the US.


I only eat olives from Andalucia.
1638. aquak9
Hellooo-ooo!!

(waves hand furiously, jumps up and down)

I like olives!!

uhm...what's the topic right now?
Quoting Grothar:


I only eat olives from Andalucia.


But I am in the 'Heart of Andalucia' you could not get much closer to the center of the place, I can see from the 'Plaza' here either the glow of lights of Sevilla, Cordaoba, Malaga,Granada, the distant glow over, Cadiz and Algeciras, and of course the runway of Moron de la Frontera,{which we had a tiff over a few weeks back,}
If you should insist, I have to go to the Alpujarras, mountains south of Granada in a few weeks and their I can get from the 'Baranca del sangre, olives that are from trees, planted by the last moors in Al-Andalus, still producing there after more than 500 years, IE the 1492 thing when 'they' got thrown out by the catholic kings who later financed Columbus to cut the bush for some of your lot!! Remember?
Beautiful week coming up in West Palm Beach...

Quoting aquak9:
Hellooo-ooo!!

(waves hand furiously, jumps up and down)

I like olives!!

uhm...what's the topic right now?


Noted:-

Form receivers consortium with 'senor Grother'

What about those damm hurricanes and melt downs??

I've got the olives you've got the info!!
Quoting aquak9:
Hellooo-ooo!!

(waves hand furiously, jumps up and down)

I like olives!!

uhm...what's the topic right now?

Let's see: the role SSTs play (or not) in TC development; Rick Scott's corrupt stupidity; the boring quality of sunny SoCal weather; the upcoming hurricane season; the Puerto Rico earthquake "swarm"; Andalucian olives. You know, the regular...
1643. MrMixon
Quoting aquak9:
uhm...what's the topic right now?


Apparently the topic is olives... oh, and drizzle in San Diego...

:)

Or, we could go back to criticizing those over-compensated high school teachers who have finally been found out as the primary drain on our economy.
1644. Grothar
Quoting PlazaRed:


But I am in the 'Heart of Andalucia' you could not get much closer to the center of the place, I can see from the 'Plaza' here either the glow of lights of Sevilla, Cordaoba, Malaga,Granada, the distant glow over, Cadiz and Algeciras, and of course the runway of Moron de la Frontera,{which we had a tiff over a few weeks back,}
If you should insist, I have to go to the Alpujarras, mountains south of Granada in a few weeks and their I can get from the 'Baranca del sangre, olives that are from trees, planted by the last moors in Al-Andalus, still producing there after more than 500 years, IE the 1492 thing when 'they' got thrown out by the catholic kings who later financed Columbus to cut the bush for some of your lot!! Remember?


Don't forget Isabella! LOL

Well I did try on the record high temps in Iberia and the forecast for the hurricanes from us who wont be suffering their effects, yet.

We could do a sweepstake on the number of the things and offer mops to the winners, only a thought but I don't yet know how to organise these things!!

The sweepstakes that is, I know how the hurricanes work,(a bit,}
1646. aquak9
MrMixon, I certainly hope that was sarcasm.

and as for you, Nea (and P451 as well)

"I want CAKE!!"
"Oh yes, Cake season, but it brings out the trolls!"
"OMG WHERE'S THE FLOUR??"
"We have plenty of flour but no SUGAR!!"
"We had Sugar last week- wait two more weeks, I promise there will be more SUGAR!"
"No! No! I see Cake Batter! There there look, It's Cake Batter!!"
"You idiot DumbBunny- that's Brownie mix!"
"It could be a Cake, though! It could be the Mother of all Cakes!"

-(keeper chimes in) there will be no cake without the eggs of the mother planet until then you will wait for the eggs to appear as they will when a chicken arrives-

"I Want Cake!!"

and so it goes...
Quoting RitaEvac:
WTI Crude Oil
$108.83 ▲0.49



ya along with Gold going up............so did the DOW! Amazing to see all 3 move up in the same day.
1648. Grothar
Quoting Neapolitan:

Let's see: the role SSTs play (or not) in TC development; Rick Scott's corrupt stupidity; the boring quality of sunny SoCal weather; the upcoming hurricane season; the Puerto Rico earthquake "swarm"; Andalucian olives. You know, the regular...


Hey, don't knock them till you tried them. (The olives that is) What would like to discuss? I heard there was no weather anywhere today, just air. You added a little to the fare today.
Quoting Grothar:


Don't forget Isabella! LOL


And Fernando, they lie at rest in Granada but came from far afield!
Quoting KennyNebraska:
I just read the update on this upcoming hurricane season from CSU. Not much of a change, except that they really think the U.S. gets hit this year.

If a major hurricane hits the U.S. coast there someone at WU that will go out in the thing with video and audio? The only one I ever knew here that was crazy enough to do it was old CycloneOz. I do not know if he is in or out this coming year. His blog is still banned (can't remember what he did to deserve that but whatever). His website is still up but not updated.

So is someone here is ready to pick up where he left off?

I really want to see what it is like for a hurricane coming on shore without talking heads and commercials.
You might just have to watch Jim Cantore.
1651. Grothar
By the way, I agree with everything, everybody said today.
Quoting Grothar:
By the way, I agree with everything, everybody said today.
Me too.
Quoting Grothar:
By the way, I agree with everything, everybody said today.


THERE@S no rumour in the truth??
1654. Grothar
Quoting GeoffreyWPB:
Beautiful week coming up in West Palm Beach...



Hello, stranger! Haven't seen you on in a while? I hope you have something to contribute, the blog is a little slow.
1655. Grothar
Quoting twincomanche:
Me too.


There is always a first. Now where is atmo?
1656. aquak9
the blog is a little slow.

heh heh heh heh
Quoting Grothar:
By the way, I agree with everything, everybody said today.


Thats because you can't remember what you read 10 seconds later..........ROFLMAO
1658. Grothar
Quoting PlazaRed:


THERE@S no rumour in the truth??


LOL
1659. Grothar
Quoting TampaSpin:


Thats because you can't remember what you read 10 seconds later..........ROFLMAO


My memory is as sharp as a tic!
Quoting Grothar:


My memory is as sharp as a tic!


tic toc tic toc tic toc
Quoting TomTaylor:
Wow! Nevermind about boring weather, check this out

Composite radar



Light drizzle spreading across the county now! A rotating super cell is strengthening and feeding off the chilly sub 60 degree waters off the coast. This is big news. Rainrates are about 0.01 inches an hour, give or take 0.01 inches. Reports of large hail are non existent. However, a stiff gale was clocked in at roughly 6mph at the San Diego Lindbergh Field international airport. I expect nws to issue a flash flood warning within the hour. Stay safe fellow San Diegans, this could get nasty fast.



LOL it is funny when I hear about the NWS issuing flash flood warnings there with half inch per hour rain rates, I guess that's a "heavy downpour" there, LOL.

We got 8 inches of rain last Thursday and 3 of that fell in 15 minutes with a huge super cell, we got some flooding in our street, and it drained later that night. Our little area is considered low lying and "poor drainage". Yet our drainage is still probably better then it is in 90% of the U.S. That is why most of time you don't have to be worried about massive amounts of rain in West Central Florida, unless you live in reaaaally low ground and an exceptionally bad drainage area. Naturally we just don't really flood. Ive seen some wild rainfall events over the years including a 15 inch total in 3 hours a few years back ,but it never gets into to the house, ever. It just backs up in the street some when we get 3 inch per hour rain rates or bigger, but it drains later.
For you IT guys......is it ok to open up Chrome or Firefox with Internet Explorer all the same time.......some apps on Chrome like editing my Website does not work well when using Chrome....Thanks!
1663. MrMixon
Quoting aquak9:
MrMixon, I certainly hope that was sarcasm.


I almost added the /sarcasm tag just to be clear. Indeed... I had to bite my tongue and ignore the "spoiled teacher" conversation that happened earlier today. I'd be happy to pay another penny or two on the dollar to improve teacher compensation in Colorado (which is dismal according to this article).

OK,
Carricoloes!

We have record temps in southern Europe, predicted by NOAA,

We have the possibility of massive floods in the central US Mississippi area, we have nitrogen atmosphere being introduced into a couple of melting down neuclear reactors in Japan.

There are arctic ion storm events in the polar regions, a random typhoon in the pacific and the possibility of the most interesting hurricane season in the Atlantic in decades, not even to drift into tornadoes, tidal waves and the possible melting of most of the ice in the Arctic.

And the sages say, its a bit slow at the moment?

I cant wait till things heat up!!
Quoting StAugustineFL:


I'd guesstimate 10-12" YTD. Not bad, not great. IMO, runoff from heavy rains + above normal temps + wind + low humidity + Florida heat (not the Publix bagger) = potential for high fire danger. You've fared much better in your region but I'm curious to see how things unfold up this way the next 6 weeks or so.


Yeah we will see, I mean, if we get less than an inches in the next 6 weeks or so, it will get dry here again, it gets dry real fast in Florida, because the ground here is designed to lose water fast to help prevent flooding during the wet season and our extremely heavy rainfall rates here.
Quoting aquak9:
MrMixon, I certainly hope that was sarcasm.

and as for you, Nea (and P451 as well)

"I want CAKE!!"
"Oh yes, Cake season, but it brings out the trolls!"
"OMG WHERE'S THE FLOUR??"
"We have plenty of flour but no SUGAR!!"
"We had Sugar last week- wait two more weeks, I promise there will be more SUGAR!"
"No! No! I see Cake Batter! There there look, It's Cake Batter!!"
"You idiot DumbBunny- that's Brownie mix!"
"It could be a Cake, though! It could be the Mother of all Cakes!"

-(keeper chimes in) there will be no cake without the eggs of the mother planet until then you will wait for the eggs to appear as they will when a chicken arrives-

"I Want Cake!!"

and so it goes...


Is that a pinhole eye see in that donut?
1667. aquak9
thanks mrmixon. I shoulda gone back to re-read.

Try being a single parent, when those teachers are doing the best they can, with bad kids in the classroom, destroying the one chance your own kid has for a decent education. Makes you mad at all the bad parents, mad at folks like Rick scott, mad at everything.
Quoting Grothar:


My memory is as sharp as a tic!


Sure........



I know i was blasting people yesterday for posting Utube stuff .....but, this was just sent to me. THIS IS TOO FREAKING FUNNY NOT TO SHARE.
Quoting Grothar:


Hey, don't knock them till you tried them. (The olives that is) What would like to discuss? I heard there was no weather anywhere today, just air. You added a little to the fare today.

Hey, I'm not knocking it. I loves olives; I wasn't dissing the dialog. ;-)

Quoting TampaSpin:
For you IT guys......is it ok to open up Chrome or Firefox with Internet Explorer all the same time.......some apps on Chrome like editing my Website does not work well when using Chrome....Thanks!

You can open them at the same time. However, Chrome does share certain internet settings with IE (which is why you can make changes to the "Internet Settings" app in Control Panel, and see those changes reflected in Chrome and IE, bit not Firefox).

But, again, yes, you can open them all at the same time; I do that regularly when doing website development.
1671. Grothar
Quoting TampaSpin:



I know i was blasting people yesterday for posting Utube stuff .....but, this was just sent to me. THIS IS TOO FREAKING FUNNY NOT TO SHARE.


Oh, sure, when you find something that you think is funny, it's OK. Now we know.
1672. Grothar
Quoting Neapolitan:

Hey, I'm not knocking it. I loves olives; I wasn't dissing the dialog. ;-)


You can open them at the same time. However, Chrome does share certain internet settings with IE (which is why you can make changes to the "Internet Settings" app in Control Panel, and see those changes reflected in Chrome and IE, bit not Firefox).

But, again, yes, you can open them all at the same time; I do that regularly when doing website development.



I know you weren't dissing! Just a shot. LOL And I open IE while I have Chrome open. How do you think I know the things I do. I look them up.
Quoting Grothar:


Oh, sure, when you find something that you think is funny, it's OK. Now we know.


HEY HEY, it was the political stuff that was upsetting people yes you sucka...........LOL
1674. aquak9
odd sense of humour there, tampaspin...ouch.
It's amazing how far we have got from the subject of the the blog, in such a short time.

From tropical cyclones to Internet browser problems in less than a few posts.

Has anybody got a successor to Genghis Khan, as master global dominatior, whilst we are at it, or not?
Quoting PlazaRed:
It's amazing how far we have got from the subject of the the blog, in such a short time.

From tropical cyclones to Internet browser problems in less than a few posts.

Has anybody got a successor to Genghis Khan, as master global dominatior, whilst we are at it, or not?
Hillary.
TD02W in the WPAC is dead, has now become part of a cold front. 97W has developed from the remnants of TD01W between Vietnam and Philippines in the South China Sea. An early start to the WPAC season could mean it's going to be a looooong season.
1678. Levi32
My analog package for this hurricane season:

2008 - Cold PDO, Warm AMO, 2nd-year Moderate La Nina reversing to neutral. Weight = 3

1999 - Cold PDO, Warm AMO, 2nd-year Moderate La Nina weakening slightly. Weight = 2

1996 - Warm PDO, Warm AMO, 2nd-year Weak La Nina reversing to neutral. Weight = 1

1989 - Warm PDO, Neutral AMO, 2nd-year Strong La Nina reversing to neutral. Weight = 1

1955 - Cold PDO, Warm AMO, 2nd-year Moderate La Nina maintaining strength. Weight = 2

Note: 1989 does not fall into the main multidecadal cycle that we are in this year. It is the wild card year, given that '88-89 is one of the only winters since 1950 along with 2010-11 to be cooler than normal over the eastern U.S. during a strong La Nina winter, plus its La Nina weakened into the summer.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`

The resulting 500mb pattern is seen below. Notice the blocking over SE Canada with lower than normal heights centered over the SE US coast. This pattern supports a significant landfall threat to the United States, and which did result in many landfalls in all of these years.

Quoting TampaSpin:
For you IT guys......is it ok to open up Chrome or Firefox with Internet Explorer all the same time.......some apps on Chrome like editing my Website does not work well when using Chrome....Thanks!


Depends on your CPU and memory. I do it all the time with no problems. Firefox loads the most in memory it seems with Chrome the least on my computer. Was a little surprised by this.



1680. hydrus
Quoting AussieStorm:
TD02W in the WPAC is dead, has now become part of a cold front. 97W has developed from the remnants of TD01W between Vietnam and Philippines in the South China Sea. An early start to the WPAC season could mean it's going to be a looooong season.
Bet ya 5 bucks the N.W.Pacific will have more tropical cyclones this year then last year...lol
Quoting twincomanche:
Hillary.


I do have to admit and I have consulted and confirmed this with several other ex colonials recently, that she does have a much better chance of achiving 'global domination,'since she developed, 'Hair!'
There's an interesting--and very depressing--article over on Popular Science explaining how, spearheaded by Dick "I Loves Me Some Halliburton" Cheney, the Bush Administration mothballed a completed $100 million climate satellite (DSCOVR) within weeks of moving into the White House completely out of fear that it would lend credence to the theory of AGW. The article isn't a political hatchet piece by any means, but reading it will perhaps make you experience a tiny bit of the anger some of us feel toward those who would deny science--and silence scientists--purely for purposes of profit and politics. Disgusting, it is. Absolutely disgusting.

Who Killed The Deep Space Climate Observatory
Quoting PcolaDan:


Depends on your CPU and memory. I do it all the time with no problems. Firefox loads the most in memory it seems with Chrome the least on my computer. Was a little surprised by this.






Thanks everyone.....I have Chrome and Firefox now and use mostly Chrome now. Heck last week i was only using IE but this blog opened my eyes. WU works a lot better with Chrome for sure.
Quoting Neapolitan:
There's an interesting--and very depressing--article over on Popular Science explaining how, spearheaded by Dick "I Loves Me Some Halliburton" Cheney, the Bush Administration mothballed a completed $100 million climate satellite (DSCOVR) within weeks of moving into the White House completely out of fear that it would lend credence to the theory of AGW. The article isn't a political hatchet piece by any means, but reading it will perhaps make you experience a tiny bit of the anger some of us feel toward those who would deny science--and silence scientists--purely for purposes of profit and politics. Disgusting, it is. Absolutely disgusting.

Who Killed The Deep Space Climate Observatory


Ya GORE is a winner for ya...........hehehehe,,,it is disgusting you keep this crap going.
1685. Levi32
Quoting PcolaDan:


Depends on your CPU and memory. I do it all the time with no problems. Firefox loads the most in memory it seems with Chrome the least on my computer. Was a little surprised by this.





Every Chrome tab is a process in and of itself and takes up memory. Chrome as a whole takes up more memory on average than Firefox. If you are browsing along with chrome, open the task manager and you will notice multiple "chrome.exe"s
Quoting TampaSpin:


Ya GORE is a winner for ya...........hehehehe,,,it is disgusting you keep this crap going.

Pssst--I am not Popular Science magazine; you should talk to them about the "crap" they're "keeping going". (But way to respond to the article in such a profound manner!) ;-)
Quoting Levi32:


Every Chrome tab is a process in and of itself and takes up memory. Chrome as a whole takes up more memory on average than Firefox. If you are browsing along with chrome, open the task manager and you will notice multiple "chrome.exe"s

Things are much safer, responsive, and robust that way, of course; Chrome's mutli-threading allows runaway processes to be isolated, and thus dealt with independently of each other.

(FWIW, you can see Chrome's processes in its own task manager; just click on the tools icon--the wrench--and then click on "view background pages".)
This void of larger quakes along the East side of the ring of fire is scary looking. I just have an weird feeling about something large happening along that East side!


Quoting Neapolitan:
There's an interesting--and very depressing--article over on Popular Science explaining how, spearheaded by Dick "I Loves Me Some Halliburton" Cheney, the Bush Administration mothballed a completed $100 million climate satellite (DSCOVR) within weeks of moving into the White House completely out of fear that it would lend credence to the theory of AGW. The article isn't a political hatchet piece by any means, but reading it will perhaps make you experience a tiny bit of the anger some of us feel toward those who would deny science--and silence scientists--purely for purposes of profit and politics. Disgusting, it is. Absolutely disgusting.

Who Killed The Deep Space Climate Observatory
Why oh why has Barak not unleashed this weapon of the truth? Inquiring minds want to know.....
Quoting Levi32:


Every Chrome tab is a process in and of itself and takes up memory. Chrome as a whole takes up more memory on average than Firefox. If you are browsing along with chrome, open the task manager and you will notice multiple "chrome.exe"s


This is with 5 tabs in Firefox, 4 in Chrome and only 1 IE.

Quoting twincomanche:
Why oh why has Barak not unleashed this weapon of the truth? Inquiring minds want to know.....

The answer lies within the article, young Luke.
Quoting Neapolitan:

The answer lies within the article, young Luke.
I was not capable of getting through the language. Help me Obi Wan.
National Inquirer meets Star Wars..........
1694. help4u
Anyone have a pill for the guy on here who keeps holding his head.I do not want to see it explode all over the computer screen!
wow!! warming up on the east coast next week!!
Quoting jasonweatherman2010:
wow!! warming up on the east coast next week!!
Then cooler again. When is Spring really going to arrive???
Quoting twincomanche:
I was not capable of getting through the language. Help me Obi Wan.

Was it the language? Or perhaps just your natural inclination to reject out of hand anything with the word science in the title?

Oh, I kid... ;-)
Quoting Neapolitan:

Was it the language? Or perhaps just your natural inclination to reject out of hand anything with the word science in the title?

Oh, I kid... ;-)
Perhaps Help4u is correct.
On the arrival of Spring... I wish it would just stay already....

We've had the first rain in weeks since Sunday, which has thrown my sinuses into a tailspin [no more dust, heh hey], but the sprinkles that fell sure weren't enough to quell the 80% rain deficit we've been experiencing since Feb....
Geez... my day was too long and complicated... only 9 p.m. and I'm ready to hit the hay....

later all.
Quoting WatchingThisOne:


Is that a pinhole eye see in that donu
Quoting PlazaRed:
It's amazing how far we have got from the subject of the the blog, in such a short time.

From tropical cyclones to Internet browser problems in less than a few posts.

Has anybody got a successor to Genghis Khan, as master global dominatior, whilst we are at it, or not?


1600+ posts does not qualify as a short time.
test
Quoting twincomanche:
test


Its broken
1704. RMuller
How accurate is climate science? Not very, according to this paper.
http://www.informath.org/media/a41.htm
Quoting help4u:
Anyone have a pill for the guy on here who keeps holding his head.I do not want to see it explode all over the computer screen!
No disrespect to Neo or anything.But that was funny.And as CanesWatch would say "I don't care who you are!".
Quoting RMuller:
How accurate is climate science? Not very, according to this paper.
http://www.informath.org/media/a41.htm


when all quotes come from 1800ish to present? How old is the planet... blah blah blah. I remember the Ozone being an issue when i was a kids, we didnt fix it, it cycled.
1707. Ossqss
Quoting twincomanche:
Why oh why has Barak not unleashed this weapon of the truth? Inquiring minds want to know.....


He did. and it fell into the ocean just as the other did a few years back. The question would be, who had the most to lose from garnering truth ?

BTW, global temps below normal 3rd month in a row or so? That should never happen in a warming world should it? Is it a linear or logarithmic relationship with CO2 and temp?

Perhaps the great cartographer, who desperately desires to map out our future for we are not capable of such (in his eyes), could tell us if we ask him? I will let you ask him :)

Global temperature still headed down- UAH: negative territory
Hi Everybody,

I'm just checking in and see where some predictions for this years Hurricane Season is out.... WOW we are only 8 more weeks away from Hurricane Season....
Now do I pack now and get out or do I stay a while and lets see if this really plays out....



Taco :o)
Where Will the Debris from Japan's Tsunami Drift in the Ocean?

April 6, 201
The huge tsunami triggered by the 9.0 Tohoku Earthquake destroyed coastal towns near Sendaiin Japan, washing such things as houses and cars into the ocean. Based ona model derived from past trajectories of drifting buoys, projections of where this debris might head over the next 5 to 6 years have been made by Nikolai Maximenko and Jan Hafner at the International Pacific Research Center, University of Hawaii at Manoa.





Seems like this animation does not considers the Pacific Typhoon Season
Quoting taco2me61:
Hi Everybody,

I'm just checking in and see where some predictions for this years Hurricane Season is out.... WOW we are only 8 more weeks away from Hurricane Season....
Now do I pack now and get out or do I stay a while and lets see if this really plays out....



Taco :o)
Quoting sunlinepr:
Where Will the Debris from Japan's Tsunami Drift in the Ocean?

April 6, 201
The huge tsunami triggered by the 9.0 Tohoku Earthquake destroyed coastal towns near Sendaiin Japan, washing such things as houses and cars into the ocean. Based ona model derived from past trajectories of drifting buoys, projections of where this debris might head over the next 5 to 6 years have been made by Nikolai Maximenko and Jan Hafner at the International Pacific Research Center, University of Hawaii at Manoa.

Quoting RMuller:
How accurate is climate science? Not very, according to this paper.
http://www.informath.org/media/a41.htm

Well, that's not actually a "paper"; it's an opinion piece from a known denialist (and non-scientist) that was published in the Wall Street Journal. IOW, just your poorly-written, inadequately-researched, run-of-the-mill, ordinary, everyday anti-science attempt at obfuscation of the facts of GW. Ho-hum...
Quoting Ossqss:


He did. and it fell into the ocean just as the other did a few years back. The question would be, who had the most to lose from garnering truth ?

BTW, global temps below normal 3rd month in a row or so? That should never happen in a warming world should it? Is it a linear or logarithmic relationship with CO2 and temp?

Perhaps the great cartographer, who desperately desires to map out our future for we are not capable of such (in his eyes), could tell us if we ask him? I will let you ask him :)

Global temperature still headed down- UAH: negative territory

OSS, I've made this offer before, yet you've never taken me up on it: I will send you a clean, crisp, five-dollar bill if you ever post anything climate-related here that comes from a science site (as opposed to drivel such as that found on WUWT). Seriously. Mr. Lincoln is waiting... ;-)
Quoting Neapolitan:
There's an interesting--and very depressing--article over on Popular Science explaining how, spearheaded by Dick "I Loves Me Some Halliburton" Cheney, the Bush Administration mothballed a completed $100 million climate satellite (DSCOVR) within weeks of moving into the White House completely out of fear that it would lend credence to the theory of AGW. The article isn't a political hatchet piece by any means, but reading it will perhaps make you experience a tiny bit of the anger some of us feel toward those who would deny science--and silence scientists--purely for purposes of profit and politics. Disgusting, it is. Absolutely disgusting.

Who Killed The Deep Space Climate Observatory


Well, that was interesting, Neo.
Something to measure Earth and moon albedo. And probably more. I just liked that word, "albedo."

The answer to the question posed by the title seems to lie on the story's final page. NASA. Interagency jealousy.

I note the story writer quotes at length someone who wished, without proof, to blame the satellite murder on Dick Cheney. Not murdered, really. Just in a box using Nitrogen for life support. I also note the writer did not mention attempting to contact anyone in W's admin for comment. Cheney might have had something to say.

Find it funny a filter for the thing is worth $2 million and the satellite's designer, Francisco Valera, lives in a hilltop home in La Jolla, CA. Sad he developed such poor health after the non-launch took place.

I liked this quote from Valero... "We just need the truth," he said. "We need good science. If we get DSCOVR launched, we'll have that. And then the politicians will have something solid to base their arguments on."

Ossqss: The question would be, who had the most to lose from garnering truth ?
Exactly.

...

On a more exciting note... Far more exciting, really, even though it's going on in Europe.

Remodeling the standard model...
Fermilab findings suggest new elementary particle may soon emerge


and

Large Hadron Collider could be world's first time machine

If I were in charge, I'd throw a lot more funding at theoretical physicists.
:)
Quoting taco2me61:
Hi Everybody,

I'm just checking in and see where some predictions for this years Hurricane Season is out.... WOW we are only 8 more weeks away from Hurricane Season....
Now do I pack now and get out or do I stay a while and lets see if this really plays out....



Taco :o)
Hey!!.Yes! as we get closer to hurricane season I'm starting to see some old faces!.
Colorado State University has issued an update to its original 2011 Atlantic hurricane season forecast, released in December.

The outlook calls for a total of 16 named storms, 9 hurricanes and 5 major hurricanes. You can see on the graphic to the right that this forecast is just above the 15-year average from 1995 to 2010.

According to the outlook, the forecast of an active season is based on current La Nina conditions which are expected to lessen and become near-neutral during the core of the hurricane season.

Phil Klotzbach of the CSU Tropical Meteorology Project also cites that above-average sea surface temperatures in the tropical Atlantic will contribute to an active season.

The total amount of storm, hurricane and major hurricane activity in 2011 is forecast to be 175 percent of average. Last year was 196 percent above average.

This bring us to another point. Despite last year's very active season, impacts on the U.S. were minimal overall.

2010 Hurricane Season: Full recap | U.S. impacts | Igor, Tomas retired

As always, these hurricane forecasts can give an indication of how active a season might be, but do not predict the exact details of where or if any landfalls occur.

That said, Colorado State says there is a 72 percent chance of a major hurricane landfall along the U.S. coastline in 2011. For the U.S. East Coast and Gulf Coast, there is a 47 percent and 48 percent chance of a major hurricane making landfall, respectively. All of these percentages are above the long-term average.

Hey, Taco.
Colorado State's spring outlook seems to zap the hurricane pulses back up.

Good to see you.
:)
Quoting sunlinepr:
Where Will the Debris from Japan's Tsunami Drift in the Ocean?

April 6, 201
The huge tsunami triggered by the 9.0 Tohoku Earthquake destroyed coastal towns near Sendaiin Japan, washing such things as houses and cars into the ocean. Based ona model derived from past trajectories of drifting buoys, projections of where this debris might head over the next 5 to 6 years have been made by Nikolai Maximenko and Jan Hafner at the International Pacific Research Center, University of Hawaii at Manoa.





Seems like this animation does not considers the Pacific Typhoon Season
Nor Coriolis, for that matter.
Quoting washingtonian115:
Hey!!.Yes! as we get closer to hurricane season I'm starting to see some old faces!.
Well you got the "Old Face Right" LOL.... :o) "How are You"????
Quoting Barefootontherocks:
Hey, Taco.
Colorado State's spring outlook seems to zap the hurricane pulses back up.

Good to see you.
:)
And Hey to you to Barefootontherocks :o) Its always good to see my Good Friends from W/U.....

Just to let yall know I was going Tornado Chasing this year but, Gas has a hold on me this time.... :o(

Taco :o)
Quoting atmoaggie:
Nor Coriolis, for that matter.
I did not want to for get "Atmoaggie" :o) Good to see you too :o)
OK, no rebuttal for the Ozone says allot!
1722. Grothar
Quoting twincomanche:
test


You failed.
Quoting Grothar:


You failed.


Both of you did.
1724. beell
Do bosons lead to hadrons? Or more specifically, are bosons a causal factor in the creation of hadrons?
1725. Grothar
Quoting caneswatch:


Both of you did.


Get to bed!!!
Quoting taco2me61:
Well you got the "Old Face Right" LOL.... :o) "How are You"????And Hey to you to Barefootontherocks :o) Its always good to see my Good Friends from W/U.....

Just to let yall know I was going Tornado Chasing this year but, Gas has a hold on me this time.... :o(

Taco :o)
I'm good.This hurricane season is going to be very interesting in deed.
1727. Grothar
Quoting beell:
Do bosons lead to hadrons?


Wouldn't think there would be enough space. The whole thing sounds a little quarky to me.
Quoting beell:
Do bosons lead to hadrons?


No. But they might lead to albedo.
1729. Grothar
Quoting Barefootontherocks:


No. But they might lead to albedo.


Does it really "matter". (This is fun, puns in Quantum physics) This blog has come a long way.
Quoting Grothar:


Get to bed!!!


Uh, you're not my dad, so I don't have to listen to you. How 'bout that LOL
1731. Ossqss
Quoting Grothar:


Does it really "matter". (This is fun, puns in Quantum physics) This blog has come a long way.


I hate smartphones :)

1732. beell
LOL, bf n' Gro. It is time for albedo here.

RealClimate-Sheep/Albedo Feedback

1733. Grothar
Quoting beell:
LOL, bf n' Gro. It is time for albedo here.

RealClimate-Sheep/Albedo Feedback



I say, BAAAA to the whole article. (That was really funny)
LOL, bl.
I see your add.
Or more specifically, are bosons a causal factor in the creation of hadrons?
Likely so, if two particles exchanged a boson.

Oh, wow.
White sheep have a higher albedo. What a story.
LMAO.

Goodnight, One and All.
1735. beell
nite, bf.
)
1736. Grothar
Quoting beell:
nite, bf.
)


Took you long enough. The guy is probably asleep already.
Quoting taco2me61:
I did not want to for get "Atmoaggie" :o) Good to see you too :o)
Greetings earthling.
Quoting caneswatch:


Uh, you're not my dad, so I don't have to listen to you. How 'bout that LOL
"I don't care who you are!!"
1739. Grothar
Quoting washingtonian115:
"I don't care who you are!!"


LOL
Quoting Barefootontherocks:
Hey, Taco.
Colorado State's spring outlook seems to zap the hurricane pulses back up.

Good to see you.
:)
Yeah, it seems like it does that every year, and of coarse especially into the beginning of the Invest season(May to December or something like that) Where everybody is on there toes (when strong invests form) to see if it will be named. Most don't survive at the beggining of the season, but gradually get stronger.
I've kept track of every invest since the beggining of last season so for anyone that enjoys these kind of storm facts here you go...

2010
Round: 1 –
90L: Bust,
91L: Bust,
92L: Bust,
93L: Alex,
94L: Bust,
95L: Bust,
96L: TD2,
97L: Bonnie,
98L: Bust,
99L: Bust,
Round 2 –
90L: Bust,
91L: Colin,
92L: Bust,
93L: Bust,
94L: TD5,
95L: Danielle,
96L: Earl,
97L: Fiona,
98L: Gaston,
99L: Bust,
Round 3 –
90L: Hermine,
91L: Igor,
92L: Karl,
93L: Julia,
94L: Lisa,
95L: Matthew,
96L: Nicole,
97L: Otto
98L: Paula
99L: Richard
Round 4 –
90L: Bust,
91L: Tomas,
92L: Shary,
93L: Bust,
94L: Bust,
95L: Bust

2011
Round: 1 –
90L: Bust,
1741. Ossqss
Quoting Neapolitan:

OSS, I've made this offer before, yet you've never taken me up on it: I will send you a clean, crisp, five-dollar bill if you ever post anything climate-related here that comes from a science site (as opposed to drivel such as that found on WUWT). Seriously. Mr. Lincoln is waiting... ;-)


Well, I responded, you did not. So help us out "all knowing one" Show us your solution to the problem you scream constantly of !

Gnight~~~~~



Edit,,,,,, now I don't like tethered phones :)
Quoting Ossqss:


Well, I responded, you did not. So help us out "all knowing one" Show us your solution to the problem you scream constantly of !

Gnight~~~~~



Edit,,,,,, now I don't like tethered phones :)

awesome song, he went back to Sound Garden, looking forward to the new noise. "music is noise that is pleasing".
Quoting IFuSAYso:

awesome song, he went back to Sound Garden, looking forward to the new noise. "music is noise that is pleasing".

a weed is a rose in the wrong spot.
Check the hurricane archives on WU (Wilma). You can select between storm detail(includes space & modis pics), youtubes & WUnderPhotos. WunderTornado tracker has Youtube videos too.
good nite all, won't be back on until Sunday, so Have a great rest of the week. :)
Sea turtles continue to wash ashore along the Gulf, forcing the National Marine Fisheries Service (NMFS) to scramble and figure out what is causing the spike. Last week, the Natural Resources Defense Council and The Huffington Post were first to publish blogs about the sea turtle deaths in Mississippi. Since then, the national media picked up the story. Last Friday, NMFS released a statement with some details about its investigation:

In the past few weeks, we've seen an increase in turtle strandings in the northern Gulf, primarily in Mississippi. The spring time is the typical time when turtle strandings in this region begin to increase, but the sharp increases in recent days are of concern to us….NOAA Fisheries is in contact with the states of MS and LA regarding current trawl and other fishery activity that can result in turtle by catch and mortality. In addition, tests will be done for biotoxins, such as those from harmful algae blooms, which are common in the Gulf. …All causes of death, including petroleum, will be investigated when possible based on decomposition. During a necropsy, the full GI tract is examined for product or evidence of oil ingestion. Additionally, samples are taken for PAH analysis. In addition, all turtles are being carefully examined for signs of external oiling.

Like the dolphin strandings this year, it's likely that many more turtles have died and will never be found. A recent study of dolphin deaths showed the true number of mortalities is probably 50 times what is recovered. As of Friday, NOAA says recent deaths of sea turtles, all of which are included on the Endangered Species list, include 6 in Alabama, 10 in Louisiana, and 47 in Mississippi. Make that at least 50 confirmed sea turtle deaths in Mississippi. This weekend, Pass Christian resident Shirley Tillman found three more dead turtles. Altogether, she has found nine this year. Over her more than 30 years in the community, she has never seen a dead turtle before. On Saturday, she took another walk on the beach, this time with a PBS television producer. Within an hour they found one turtle badly decomposed and hidden in marsh grass near Waveland. Shirley says she only discovered it because of the smell. On Sunday she went back to check on the turtle, which had been spray-painted orange for pick-up by authorities. That's when she was told there was yet another dead turtle on the beach nearby.

"It's crazy that I go out there nearly every day and find them. It makes me mad that NOAA is now trying to blame the shrimp fishermen for killing them in their nets when the shrimp season isn't even open yet and hardly any boats are out there." Shrimp fishermen feel the same way. They are required to use turtle excluders, devices that allow turtles to escape drowning in shrimp nets. Every year some turtles are killed by fishing boats inadvertently, but shrimpers say to blame them for the recent jump in turtle deaths is hard to believe. "It's about as ridiculous as anything else I heard during this whole oil spill," said Louisiana Shrimp Association President Clint Guidry. "This time of year shrimp fishermen are fixing their boats and getting ready for the main season that begins in May. I guess they've run out of excuses after saying everything is being killed by dead zones and algae, so now they need to blame us." Nearly two weeks ago a new oil spill from a shallow well off the Louisiana coast leaked oil into the water that resulted in a huge slick that stretched for miles and polluted parts of Grand Isle and other nearby marshes. The Coast Guard says it was due to oil leaking from a well being capped by Anglo-Suisse, an oil drilling firm based in Texas. Initially the company said it had leaked only 5 gallons of oil.

But the oil slick was clearly much bigger. According to a Skytruth, an analysis of the slick using satellite imagery shows the well may have gushed as much as 640,000 gallons of Louisiana crude into the sea. It's not clear what impact this oil spill has had on marine life. In Mississippi, Shirley Tillman believes BP oil has something to do with the dead sea life she constantly encounters by the shore. And she wonders how this may affect vacationers now flocking to the region. "It's bad enough for turtles and dolphins to be dying, but should people and their children be swimming in this water too?" That is not the kind of message BP or local politicians want to hear. Major PR campaigns are underway to convince people the Gulf is normal and the seafood is safe. That's the message they want to people to hear. But that message is at odds with the views of Gulf residents like Shirley Tillman. She sees a different reality every day she walks the beach.
Quoting Jedkins01:



LOL it is funny when I hear about the NWS issuing flash flood warnings there with half inch per hour rain rates, I guess that's a "heavy downpour" there, LOL.

We got 8 inches of rain last Thursday and 3 of that fell in 15 minutes with a huge super cell, we got some flooding in our street, and it drained later that night. Our little area is considered low lying and "poor drainage". Yet our drainage is still probably better then it is in 90% of the U.S. That is why most of time you don't have to be worried about massive amounts of rain in West Central Florida, unless you live in reaaaally low ground and an exceptionally bad drainage area. Naturally we just don't really flood. Ive seen some wild rainfall events over the years including a 15 inch total in 3 hours a few years back ,but it never gets into to the house, ever. It just backs up in the street some when we get 3 inch per hour rain rates or bigger, but it drains later.

Highest rain rate I've seen here was about 3 in an hour. But it was only over a 5 minute period lol

Quoting BahaHurican:
On the arrival of Spring... I wish it would just stay already....

We've had the first rain in weeks since Sunday, which has thrown my sinuses into a tailspin [no more dust, heh hey], but the sprinkles that fell sure weren't enough to quell the 80% rain deficit we've been experiencing since Feb....
do you live in baja?
Quoting IFuSAYso:


when all quotes come from 1800ish to present? How old is the planet... blah blah blah. I remember the Ozone being an issue when i was a kids, we didnt fix it, it cycled.

um no. we banned chemicals that destroyed the ozone layer.
The land of Varlet's
1752. flsky
Um, huh?
Quoting Barefootontherocks:
LOL, bl.
I see your add.
Or more specifically, are bosons a causal factor in the creation of hadrons?
Likely so, if two particles exchanged a boson.

Oh, wow.
White sheep have a higher albedo. What a story.
LMAO.

Goodnight, One and All.
Quoting TomTaylor:

um no. we banned chemicals that destroyed the ozone layer.

um, are we the majority? i think not, do you do diligence. or make a "smart reply".
Quoting IFuSAYso:

um, are we the majority? i think not, do you do diligence. or make a "smart reply".

Your*
Quoting Ossqss:


He did. and it fell into the ocean just as the other did a few years back. The question would be, who had the most to lose from garnering truth ?

BTW, global temps below normal 3rd month in a row or so? That should never happen in a warming world should it? Is it a linear or logarithmic relationship with CO2 and temp?

Perhaps the great cartographer, who desperately desires to map out our future for we are not capable of such (in his eyes), could tell us if we ask him? I will let you ask him :)

Global temperature still headed down- UAH: negative territory
stop acting like co2 is the only thing that determines the temperature of our earth.

And, you're forgetting that climate is the average weather over a 30yr + period. Not 3 months.1/120 of 30 yrs.
Quoting TomTaylor:
stop acting like co2 is the only thing that determines the temperature of our earth.

And, you're forgetting that climate is the average weather over a 30yr + period. Not 3 months.1/120 of 30 yrs.


0r 30 million years
1757. RTLSNK
Quoting Grothar:


Does it really "matter". (This is fun, puns in Quantum physics) This blog has come a long way.


Puns? A long way? Is that really the question? I think not. :)
Quoting RTLSNK:


Puns? A long way? Is that really the question? I think not. :)


this blog has died unless u agree with the majority that has honestly not done their unbiased homework. This is the Weather Underground.
1759. flsky
2 B OR 0 2 B
1760. flsky
Rah! -just wish they could get their site to work for me like EVERY OTHER SITE I ACCESS ON THE INTERNET!!!!!!
Quoting IFuSAYso:


this blog has died unless u agree with the majority that has honestly not done their unbiased homework. This is the Weather Underground.
In ref to the Ike comment (CNN) about Beck. He makes 2,7 mil at FOX out of his 30 Mil a year empire. Your focus is mislead.
Quoting IFuSAYso:
In ref to the Ike comment (CNN) about Beck. He makes 2,7 mil at FOX out of his 30 Mil a year empire. Your focus is mislead.


Ya, as my wife said the other day. "Doesn't his overall ideology make a little sense if you just listen to his overall ideals. No one can deny his love for the country and the world."
Quoting flsky:
Rah! -just wish they could get their site to work for me like EVERY OTHER SITE I ACCESS ON THE INTERNET!!!!!!


Hey sky, sorry to hear you're still having problems. But even if you have WU in compatibility mode it will still mess up sometimes. Only way out is FF/Chrome. Even EYES finally switched ;-)
Quoting TampaSpin:


Ya, as my wife said the other day. "Doesn't his overall ideology make a little sense if you just listen to his overall ideals. No one can deny his love for the country and the world."


the funny thing is, he has hit the nail on the head. he is over the top "crying" for me. But many of his predictions/claims have come to fruition.
Quoting IFuSAYso:


0r 30 million years
You're missing the point, 3 months of cooling is insignificant.

If we see 30 yrs of cooling, or even 5 years, then I'll hop aboard your ship and say, gee you're right, the earth is cooling.

3 months isn't going to cut it for me though. We've seen numerous temporary cool downs over the past 40 years, but the overall trend is up.


If you'd like to continue discussing climate change, there's a blog for it
1767. flsky
Actually, I've used FF for over a year....
Quoting DontAnnoyMe:


Hey sky, sorry to hear you're still having problems. But even if you have WU in compatibility mode it will still mess up sometimes. Only way out is FF/Chrome. Even EYES finally switched ;-)
Quoting IFuSAYso:


this blog has died unless u agree with the majority that has honestly not done their unbiased homework. This is the Weather Underground.


oh ya, he still works for FOX after the fact. Your post didnt mention that.
Quoting IFuSAYso:


this blog has died unless u agree with the majority that has honestly not done their unbiased homework. This is the Weather Underground.
You've been on the blog for only a month. How can you say it's died?

Not to mention it's activity is almost entirely dependent on the weather activity. When there's a cat 5 hurricane in the atlantic this blog sees a new page 50 post page every 15 minutes.
Quoting TomTaylor:
You're missing the point, 3 months of cooling is insignificant.

If we see 30 yrs of cooling, or even 5 years, then I'll hop aboard your ship and say, gee you're right, the earth is cooling.

3 months isn't going to cut it for me though. We've seen numerous temporary cool downs over the past 40 years, but the overall trend is up.


If you'd like to continue discussing climate change, there's a blog for it


Bro, you dont get the point, 300 years is not a bench mark.
Quoting TomTaylor:
You've been on the blog for only a month. How can you say it's died?

Not to mention it's activity is almost entirely dependent on the weather activity. When there's a cat 5 hurricane in the atlantic this blog sees a new page 50 post page every 15 minutes.
1772. flsky
He's just a performer - as Rush stated about himself years ago. Don't you know that at this point?
Quoting TampaSpin:


Ya, as my wife said the other day. "Doesn't his overall ideology make a little sense if you just listen to his overall ideals. No one can deny his love for the country and the world."
Quoting TomTaylor:
You've been on the blog for only a month. How can you say it's died?

Not to mention it's activity is almost entirely dependent on the weather activity. When there's a cat 5 hurricane in the atlantic this blog sees a new page 50 post page every 15 minutes.


ive been a lurker since B4 Ivan.
Quoting IFuSAYso:


Bro, you dont get the point, 300 years is not a bench mark.
nope. It's 30.
1775. flsky
Quoting IFuSAYso:


the funny thing is, he has hit the nail on the head. he is over the top "crying" for me. But many of his predictions/claims have come to fruition.

Those being????
Quoting flsky:
Actually, I've used FF for over a year....


Oh, I thought you use IE. WU gets munged on FF?
Quoting IFuSAYso:

um, are we the majority? i think not, do you do diligence. or make a "smart reply".

No. We're the difference
Quoting TomTaylor:
nope. It's 30.


30 years is when most older men think young men become men. is that an analog???

Trolls these days
1780. MrMixon
Quoting TomTaylor:
Trolls these days


Was thinking the same thing myself.
Quoting TomTaylor:
Trolls these days


easy bail
No use in making an intelligent response to an unintelligent comment.
Quoting TomTaylor:
No use in making an intelligent response to an unintelligent comment.


lol, i agree
Quoting IFuSAYso:


lol, i agree
Yet you responded to all my comments. Guess you thought they were all intelligent. Good to know :)

Good day
1785. eddy12
can anyone on here tell me exactly what climate is?
ok, ur making a point for a 30 year cycle. Most here argue for a planetary life cycle. Ozone, co2 blah blah blah.
Quoting TomTaylor:
Yet you responded to all my comments. Guess you thought they were all intelligent. Good to know :)

Good day


don't exacerbate your existence bro.
1788. Patrap
We had a wunderful time working as extra's on the HBO "Treme" set in NOLA today and tonight. The Wife and I both had background scenes with the principal actors and actresses.
Quoting TomTaylor:
You're missing the point, 3 months of cooling is insignificant.

If we see 30 yrs of cooling, or even 5 years, then I'll hop aboard your ship and say, gee you're right, the earth is cooling.

3 months isn't going to cut it for me though. We've seen numerous temporary cool downs over the past 40 years, but the overall trend is up.


If you'd like to continue discussing climate change, there's a blog for it


So we have really good records that go back in the 1800's globally...........are you kidding me........come on man, just sayn!




Funny, if you all would just log out of WU and go back in without logging back in, one would be shocked to see how many post don't show.....LOL.......funny as heck!
Tampa I agree that in the late 1800s many of those temp records arebt very accurate. And probably not spread entirely across the globe.

However, does that detract from the idea that the earth is warming? As far as I am aware temp records of the last 50 years have been very good. And they indicate warming.
Quoting TomTaylor:
Tampa I agree that in the late 1800s many of those temp records arebt very accurate. And probably not spread entirely across the globe.

However, does that detract from the idea that the earth is warming? As far as I am aware temp records of the last 50 years have been very good. And they indicate warming.



Do you believe the SUN controls climate on the Earth? I do. I believe the SUN is and the main factor in the temperatures on Earth. The Sun is currently in a cooling phase and thus the cause of global cooling for the past years. Before this the sun was on a Warming phase. I agree with you, tho.....3 years is not enough. Just like tho probably even 100 years is not enough when you look at the age of earth. I am not a denier but, i and not on the other side either as i have read many articles as much as most. I just cant develop factual opinion on one side or the other yet. I truly have seen nothing that has convinced me that nothing other than the SUN has dedicated the heat on Mother Earth! Just my opinion as i don't like others that tell me that I am wrong when i don't have one opinion or another.
Quoting TomTaylor:
Tampa I agree that in the late 1800s many of those temp records arebt very accurate. And probably not spread entirely across the globe.

However, does that detract from the idea that the earth is warming? As far as I am aware temp records of the last 50 years have been very good. And they indicate warming.


50 years out of a trillion, genius.
Quoting TomTaylor:
You're missing the point, 3 months of cooling is insignificant.

If we see 30 yrs of cooling, or even 5 years, then I'll hop aboard your ship and say, gee you're right, the earth is cooling.

3 months isn't going to cut it for me though. We've seen numerous temporary cool downs over the past 40 years, but the overall trend is up.


If you'd like to continue discussing climate change, there's a blog for it

and your point, its for how long, how old is the crapper we all call home
Quoting TomTaylor:
You've been on the blog for only a month. How can you say it's died?

Not to mention it's activity is almost entirely dependent on the weather activity. When there's a cat 5 hurricane in the atlantic this blog sees a new page 50 post page every 15 minutes.


Yeah. Just wait to see what happens during the hurricane season. It is much more active.
Quoting TomTaylor:
Tampa I agree that in the late 1800s many of those temp records arebt very accurate. And probably not spread entirely across the globe.

However, does that detract from the idea that the earth is warming? As far as I am aware temp records of the last 50 years have been very good. And they indicate warming.

but you use the chart to ....
This is very unusual and does not appear to be letting up at all.........



FLASH FLOOD WARNING HONOLULU HI - PHFO 420 PM HST WED APR 6 2011
FLASH FLOOD WARNING HONOLULU HI - PHFO 420 PM HST WED APR 6 2011

Sorry if I get distracted. I have 4 businesses I run. Cattle, handyman, vehicle leasing, real estate management. I get side tracked.
Quoting IFuSAYso:


50 years out of a trillion, genius.
billions. Not trillions. And don't give me your sarcasm, its not my fault we don't have truly accurate global temp records before the 20th century.

Quoting TampaSpin:



Do you believe the SUN controls climate on the Earth? I do. I believe the SUN is and the main factor in the temperatures on Earth. The Sun is currently in a cooling phase and thus the cause of global cooling for the past years. Before this the sun was on a Warming phase. I agree with you, tho.....3 years is not enough. Just like tho probably even 100 years is not enough when you look at the age of earth. I am not a denier but, i and not on the other side either as i have read many articles as much as most. I just cant develop factual opinion on one side or the other yet. I truly have seen nothing that has convinced me that nothing other than the SUN has dedicated the heat on Mother Earth! Just my opinion as i don't like others that tell me that I am wrong when i don't have one opinion or another.
I agree the sun is the biggest factor in determining our planets temperature. but solar input hasn't steadily increased over the last 40 years like temperature has. so it can't be solely responsible for the warm up.
Quoting TomTaylor:
billions. Not trillions. And don't give me your sarcasm, its not my fault we don't have truly accurate global temp records before the 20th century.

I agree the sun is the biggest factor in determining our planets temperature. but solar input hasn't steadily increased over the last 40 years like temperature has. so it can't be solely responsible for the warm up.


billions/trillions are we spitting hairs?
Quoting TomTaylor:
You're missing the point, 3 months of cooling is insignificant.

If we see 30 yrs of cooling, or even 5 years, then I'll hop aboard your ship and say, gee you're right, the earth is cooling.

3 months isn't going to cut it for me though. We've seen numerous temporary cool downs over the past 40 years, but the overall trend is up.


If you'd like to continue discussing climate change, there's a blog for it


What hes trying to say 30 years out of 4.54 billion shouldn't be considered a base scale either.
Its only .0000000066% of the earths existence...
its been hotter many times, and its been colder many times. And it will be again.
1802. Patrap
Energy from the Sun Has Not Increased


Global surface temperature (top, blue) and the Sun's energy received at the top of Earth's atmosphere (red, bottom). Solar energy has been measured by satellites since 1978.


The amount of solar energy received at the top of our atmosphere has followed its natural 11-year cycle of small ups and downs, but with no net increase. Over the same period, global temperature has risen markedly. This indicates that it is extremely unlikely that solar influence has been a significant driver of global temperature change over several decades.
Quoting Patrap:

Energy from the Sun Has Not Increased


Global surface temperature (top, blue) and the Sun's energy received at the top of Earth's atmosphere (red, bottom). Solar energy has been measured by satellites since 1978.


The amount of solar energy received at the top of our atmosphere has followed its natural 11-year cycle of small ups and downs, but with no net increase. Over the same period, global temperature has risen markedly. This indicates that it is extremely unlikely that solar influence has been a significant driver of global temperature change over several decades.


Didn't realize the average temperature of the earth is around 1 degree Fahrenheit.
Quoting VAbeachhurricanes:


What hes trying to say 30 years out of 4.54 billion shouldn't be considered a base scale either.
Its only .0000000066% of the earths existence...
its been hotter many times, and its been colder many times. And it will be again.
fine. Would you rather it not be called climate change? Meteorologists agree the climate is the avg weather over a period of 30yrs or more. Yet you and ifyousayso are clearly better qualified than all of them and there many years of study which allowed them to become mets in the first place.

So we won't call it climate change. We'll just say the earth is warming. Are you happier now? Is there any difference?
Quoting TomTaylor:
fine. Would you rather it not be called climate change? Meteorologists agree the climate is the avg weather over a period of 30yrs or more. Yet you and ifyousayso are clearly better qualified than all of them and there many years of study which allowed them to become mets in the first place.

So we won't call it climate change. We'll just say the earth is warming. Are you happier now? Is there any difference?


haha, I never said I was better qualified just trying to point out what I thought he was trying to say.
Call it want you want, personally i think the name Climate Change is the stupidest name they could come up with, because it is always changing.
Quoting VAbeachhurricanes:


Didn't realize the average temperature of the earth is around 1 degree Fahrenheit.
Clearly it is explaining the difference in temp over the last century which was over 1 degree Fahrenheit
Quoting VAbeachhurricanes:


haha, I never said I was better qualified just trying to point out what I thought he was trying to say.
Call it want you want, personally i think the name Climate Change is the stupidest name they could come up with, because it is always changing.
hah that's true
Quoting TomTaylor:
So you're going to ignore the entire post because you cant properly read a graph? Clearly it is explaining the difference in temp over the last century which was over 1 degree Fahrenheit


If they are trying to make a reputable graph I think the least they should do is take the five extra seconds to label the dang thing correctly.
Say what you mean, and mean what you say. Or in this case, show.
A final note before I get out of your hair "go to bed" what happened to to the Ozone debate. The US/Europe didn't fix it. Oh crap, as many scientist stated, it fixed it self in its normal cycle. Don't be so arrogant to think you make a difference when it comes to mother nature. You may poison the planet, but you wont change it. We are no more than gnat poop on the wall in an Olympic swimming pool. Just my dumb ass assessment.
Quoting VAbeachhurricanes:


If they are trying to make a reputable graph I think the least they should do is take the five extra seconds to label the dang thing correctly.
Say what you mean, and mean what you say. Or in this case, show.
whatever sinks your ship sailor
Quoting TomTaylor:
whatever sinks your ship sailor


I thought it was float your boat...
Edit: At first when i clicked image info it said Wikipedia. My Apologies.
It's NOAA, which makes the mistake that much uglier.
Quoting IFuSAYso:
A final note before I get out of your hair "go to bed" what happened to to the Ozone debate. The US/Europe didn't fix it. Oh crap, as many scientist stated, it fixed it self in its normal cycle. Don't be so arrogant to think you make a difference when it comes to mother nature. You may poison the planet, but you wont change it. We are no more than gnat poop on the wall in an Olympic swimming pool. Just my dumb ass assessment.
Everything has an influence. Ever heard of the butterfly effect?

And in case you didn't know, we are a part of mother nature. We are a species on this earth just like all others. We just have extraordinary intelligence relative to the others
Yeah I know it was a play on the float your boat saying
Quoting TomTaylor:
Yeah I know it was a play on the float your boat saying


haha, I know mine was a joke about how you changed it to sink your ship, as in I'm wrong haha.
goodnnie everyone......take a look at the 2 graphs i just posted....What do you see?
1817. MrMixon
Where the heck do people keep hearing this hogwash about the ozone hole "healing itself"? Um, just to set the record straight, ozone depletion over the poles, and particularly over the southern hemisphere continues to this day, despite what some may have heard.

Here's some reading for you, in case you are a fan of facts.

A recent news article.

Another article.

And NASA's page on the status of the ozone hole.

The bottom line is that even though CFC concentrations have dropped, it's expected to take decades (ETA: 2050ish) for the concentrations to drop enough for the hole to be insignificant. If you've heard otherwise, you've been misinformed.
NEW BLOG
1819. Patrap
Quoting 1803. VAbeachhurricanes:


Didn't realize the average temperature of the earth is around 1 degree Fahrenheit.


I'm not surprised as that's the Temp increase side of the graph for the period.

One must think here.