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Stratospheric water vapor decline credited with slowing global warming

By: Dr. Jeff Masters, 6:18 PM GMT on January 29, 2010

After a steep rise in global average temperatures in the 1990s, the 2000s have seen relatively flat temperatures, despite increasing levels of CO2 emissions by humans. This reduced warming may be partially due to a sharp decrease in stratospheric water vapor that began after 2000, according to research published yesterday in Science by a team of researchers led by Dr. Susan Solomon of NOAA's Earth System Research Laboratory in Boulder. Water vapor is a potent greenhouse gas capable of significantly warming the planet, and its potency is much higher when it is located in the lower stratosphere where temperatures are extremely cold. Greenhouse gases located in cold regions of the atmosphere are more effective at heating the planet because they absorb heat radiation from the Earth's relatively warm surface, but then re-emit energy at a much colder temperature, resulting in less heat energy lost to space. Even though stratospheric water vapor can exist at concentrations more than 100 times lower than at the surface, the 10% drop in stratospheric water vapor since 2000 noted by Solomon et al. acted to slow down global warming by 25% between 2000 - 2009, compared to that which would have occurred due only to carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases.


Figure 1. Stratospheric water vapor in the tropics, between 5°S - 5°N, as measured by the HALOE instrument on the Upper Atmosphere Research Satellite (UARS), between 1993 - 2005. The bottom portion of the plot shows the lower stratosphere, just above where tall thunderstorms are able to transport water vapor into the stratosphere. A strong yearly cycle is evident in the water vapor, due to the seasonal variation in heavy thunderstorms over the tropics. Once in the lower stratosphere, the waver vapor takes about 1.2 years to travel to the upper stratosphere, as seen in the bending of the contours to the right with height. Note that beginning in 2001, very low water vapor concentrations less than 2.2 parts per million by volume (ppmv) began appearing in the lower stratosphere, due to substantial cooling. Image credit: Rosenlof, K. H., and G. C. Reid (2008), Trends in the temperature and water vapor content of the tropical lower stratosphere: Sea surface connection, J. Geophys. Res., 113, D06107, doi:10.1029/2007JD009109.

The observations
We haven't been able to observe water vapor in the stratosphere very long--accurate global measurements only go back to 1991, when the HALOE instrument aboard the Upper Atmosphere Research Satellite (UARS) began taking data (Figure 1). Stratospheric water vapor showed an increase of about 0.5 parts per million by volume (ppmv) during the 1990s. But after 2000, a sudden drop of 0.4 ppmv was observed, and this decrease has persisted into 2009. To see how these changes impacted the amount of global warming, Solomon et al. fed the observations into a specialized high-resolution model that computed the change in heat from the fluctuating water vapor levels. They found that the increase in stratospheric water vapor in the 1990s led to about a 30% increase in the amount of global warming observed during that decade, and the decrease of 0.4 ppmv since 2000 led to a 25% reduction between 2000 - 2009.

How water vapor gets into the stratosphere
The stratosphere has two main sources of water vapor: transport from the lower atmosphere (the troposphere) via tall thunderstorms, and the chemical breakdown of methane gas into water vapor and carbon dioxide. With regard to greenhouse effect warming, transport of water vapor by thunderstorms is the most important source, since this mechanism delivers water vapor to the lowest part of the stratosphere, where temperatures are coldest and greenhouse gases are more effective at warming the climate. There is a limit as to how much water vapor that can enter the stratosphere via thunderstorms, though. Temperature decreases with altitude from the surface to the bottom of the stratosphere, where they begin to rise with height due to the solar energy-absorbing effect of the stratospheric ozone layer. As moisture-laden air rises in thunderstorms towards the lower stratosphere, it encounters the atmosphere's "cold point"--the coldest point in the lower atmosphere, at the base of the stratosphere. Since the amount of water vapor that can be present in the atmosphere decreases as the temperature gets colder, and moisture being transported to the stratosphere must traverse through the "cold point" of the atmosphere, the air gets "freeze dried" and loses most of its moisture.


Figure 2. The departure from average of tropopause temperature (dark line) and Sea Surface Temperature (light dashed line) for the tropical Pacific Ocean between 10°S - 10°N, from 1981 - 2007. The tropopause is the bottom boundary of the stratosphere. The SST data is for 139°W - 171°W longitude, and is from the NOAA Optimal Interpolation v2 data set. The tropopause data is from balloon soundings, for the region 171°W - 200°W. The SST is plotted so that the anomalies increase as one looks down. Note that prior to about 2000, tropopause temperatures and SSTs increased and decreased together, but that beginning in 2000 - 2001, a sharp climate shift occurred, and the two quantities became anti-correlated. The sudden drop in tropopause temperature in 2000 - 2001 caused a sharp drop in stratospheric water vapor. Image credit: Rosenlof, K. H., and G. C. Reid (2008), Trends in the temperature and water vapor content of the tropical lower stratosphere: Sea surface connection, J. Geophys. Res., 113, D06107, doi:10.1029/2007JD009109.

Why did stratospheric water vapor drop in 2000?
Tall thunderstorms capable of delivering water vapor into the stratosphere occur primarily in the tropics, particularly over the Western Pacific, where a huge warm pool with very high Sea Surface Temperatures (SSTs) exists. In 2000, this region experienced a sharp increase in SST of 0.25°C, which has remained consistent though the 2000s (Figure 2). Coincident with this increase in SST came a sharp drop in the "cold point" temperature of the tropopause--the lower boundary of the stratosphere. This reduction in "cold point" temperature meant that less water vapor could make it into the stratosphere over the Tropical Pacific, since more thunderstorm water was getting "freeze dried" out. Did global warming trigger this increase in Pacific SST, resulting in cooling of the "cold point" and less water vapor in the stratosphere? Or was it random variation due to some decades-long natural cycle? This key question was left unanswered by the Solomon et al. study, and observations of stratospheric water vapor don't go back far enough to offer a reasonable guess. One factor arguing against global warming having triggered a negative feedback of this nature is that prior to 2000, increases in Western Pacific SST caused increases in "cold point" temperatures--behavior opposite of what has been seen since 2000.

If global warming has triggered the decrease in stratospheric water vapor seen since 2000, it could mean that the climate models have predicted too much global warming, since they don't predict that such a negative feedback exists. On the other hand, if this is a natural cycle, we can expect the recent flattening in global temperatures to average out in the long run, with a return to steeper increases in temperature in the coming decades. Climate models currently do a poor job modeling the complex dynamics of water vapor in the stratosphere, and are not much help figuring out what's going on. Complicating the issue is the fact that about 15% of all thunderstorms capable of delivering water vapor into the stratosphere are generated by tropical cyclones (Rosenlof and Reid, 2008), and tropical cyclones are not well-treated by climate models. We also have to factor in the impact of stratospheric ozone loss, which acts to cool the lower stratosphere. This effect should gradually decrease in future decades as CFC levels decline, though. The stratosphere is a devilishly complicated place that can have a significant impact on global climate change, and we are many years from understanding what is going on there.

References
Romps, D.M., and Z. Kuang, "Overshooting convection in tropical cyclones", Geophysical Research Letters, 2009; 36 (9): L09804 DOI: 10.1029/2009GL037396

Rosenlof, K. H., and G. C. Reid (2008), Trends in the temperature and water vapor content of the tropical lower stratosphere: Sea surface connection, J. Geophys. Res., 113, D06107, doi:10.1029/2007JD009109.

Portlight Haiti update
Paul Timmons, who directs the Portlight.org disaster-relief charity that has sprung up from the hard work and dedication of many members of the wunderground.com community, was interviewed by NBC yesterday. The reporter doing the story is planning to follow the Portlight-donated goods to Haiti and interview the people with disabilities that receive the donations. It is uncertain when the story will be aired, but I'll try to give everyone a heads-up.

Next post
My next post will probably be Tuesday (Groundhog's Day), when I plan to discuss Phil's forecast for the rest of winter. I'll throw in my two cents worth, too.

Jeff Masters

Climate Change

The views of the author are his/her own and do not necessarily represent the position of The Weather Company or its parent, IBM.

Reader Comments

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Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
give it a rest already will ya
Ok, but consider what you post too. Have a nice weekend.
Quoting Ossqss:


How about this one? LoL

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BTW, I think this is the official longest word in an English dictionary. Don't ask how I know that :)


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Hi Seastep. I am not sure I am following your line of thought there.
Are you saying that the UN is Global Gov., and the States you list are in Humanitarian crisis as a result of that?
Quoting pottery:
Hi Seastep. I am not sure I am following your line of thought there.
Are you saying that the UN is Global Gov., and the States you list are in Humanitarian crisis as a result of that?


No, they are deciding nations on that commission. Believe it or not.
And there are others, too, that have no business being on that committee.
500....each with their own agenda. Understandably.
Quoting presslord:
the UN is not in any way a government...it's an alliance of governments...


Which is what a world government would be.

Except with more real power.
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
give it a rest already will ya


Unfortunately, not discussing a problem will not make it go away. But endless debate is also not a solution as it forestalls action that is needed.
I'm sleepy...somebody tell me a bedtime story...
Quoting AwakeInMaryland:
"Urban Heat Island Effect" -- couldn't think of that earlier today, when trading posts with Taz...

White Roofs Could Reduce Urban Heating
LiveScience Staff
livescience.com Sat Jan 30, 10:25 am ET

To help combat global warming and urban heating, we might just need to paint the town white.

A new modeling study simulated the effects of painting roofs white to reflect incoming solar rays and found that it could help cool cities and reduce the effects of global warming.

The feasibility of such an initiative for cities remains to be seen, researchers caution, but the idea has been backed by U.S. Energy Secretary Steven Chu and other policymakers. And now there's some science behind the political support.

"Our research demonstrates that white roofs, at least in theory, can be an effective method for reducing urban heat," said Keith Oleson, the lead author of the study and a researcher at the National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR) in Boulder, Colo. "It remains to be seen if it's actually feasible for cities to paint their roofs white, but the idea certainly warrants further investigation."

Cities are particularly vulnerable to climate change because of a phenomenon known as the urban heat island effect. The asphalt roads, tar roofs and other artificial surfaces that permeate cities absorb heat from the sun, making temperatures in urban areas on average 2 to 5 degrees Fahrenheit (1 to 3 degrees Celsius) higher than in rural areas.


This is the cause of many fatalities during heatwaves. Not only will it decrease local albedo, but it will also cool the city. However, the urban heat island effect alone is not enough to explain the warming elsewhere.
Quoting presslord:
I'm sleepy...somebody tell me a bedtime story...


So a Priest, an Irishman, and an Aussie walk into a bar....
Quoting presslord:
the UN is not in any way a government...it's an alliance of governments...


So tell me, in the US, are Federal, State, and local government an alliance also? Rhetorical of-course :)
...yea...yea...
two blondes walk into a bar...Wouldn't ya think at least one of 'em would have seen it?!
LOL. Sorry Press, I don't know many jokes, so I can't finish it.

Was that at least funny? I'm told I am too dry.

Every single time I have tried a joke on here, it has fallen flat, or worse, taken the wrong way!

So I stay away from humor.
505 and 506.
I know. But I think that the point was that 'we' are being somehow forced into being controlled by a "Global Government". I took that to mean that there was some individual or group that was going to take over the running of things, to our detriment, because of a disagreement about Climate Change and what causes it.
Or something. You are talking about something else apparently.
515 - See? Now that's a joke. My FIL is like that. He can go on forever.
Seastep...dry is good...

a priest and a rabbi walk into a bar...the bartender says "What is this...some kinda joke?!?!"
Quoting pottery:
505 and 506.
I know. But I think that the point was that 'we' are being somehow forced into being controlled by a "Global Government". I took that to mean that there was some individual or group that was going to take over the running of things, to our detriment, because of a disagreement about Climate Change and what causes it.
Or something. You are talking about something else apparently.


I was just using an analogy. Those that believe in Globalism do, in fact, want just that. But the other way around. Not Global govt using it, but rather using it to achieve that power.

And, yes, I believe there are those out there doing just that. Do I think they created it for that? No. But... never let a good crisis go to waste. ;)
a Buddhist monk walks up to a hotdog stand...he says "Make me one with everything."
Quoting presslord:


and THAT, boys and girls, is the $64,000 question...


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How many surrealists does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

fish
ur killin' me press, really. Thanks.
Quoting presslord:
I'm sleepy...somebody tell me a bedtime story...


Careful what you ask for :)

Jokes are much better than debates, any day.
Please dont take me seriously, it's late and I am feeling quarrelsom.

I remember a few years ago, I asked Press if he thought that we were being 'strange' disscussing some topic or other at the time.
He replied "Strange? I dont think so. We are just a couple of grown men, discussing the weather, at 11:30, on a Saturday night".
Kind of stuck in my head, that remark.
Quoting presslord:
How many surrealists does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

fish

How many blondes does it take to screw in a light bulb?



Um Whats a light bulb!!!!
Alright, I'm out. Good night all.

And, again, thanks press. Both for the jokes and the humanitarian effort.
527, it's a bulb that is not heavy, Aussie. Everyboddy knows that. DUH!!
Quoting pottery:
527, it's a bulb that is not heavy, Aussie. Everyboddy knows that. DUH!!

Oh come on mate!, its a joke,,,, but not a good 1
God knows....I need my beauty rest...night all...and thanks...
Have a good one, Seastep.
Quoting AussieStorm:

How many blondes does it take to screw in a light bulb?



Um Whats a light bulb!!!!


Is that joke implying that blondes are stupid?
LOL Aussie. Mine was too!
Met some of your countrymen on the beach today. Here for Carnival. They bought me a beer.
I love them.
Quoting AstroHurricane001:


Is that joke implying that blondes are stupid?

maybe
533. What's a blonde??
See you guys and Ladies tomorrow.
I cant figure out anything anymore.
Keep well.
537: Remember that the mind needs rest.
539. P451
Quoting drg0dOwnCountry:
This is your personal opinion which has absolutly nothing todo with the reality and contradicts the overwhelming evidence of sciene. You should know better as the facts are posted here over and over again, still you are to ignorant to accept those. You will start to worry soon, because your earlyer argument that we will not see any significant effects (which already massive) become more pronounced every day. Already there are western nations, which struggle with national security, distribution of energy, distribution of food/water and rising cost from damage of accelerating climate change effects. Imagine the situation you go to the supermakret and cannot afford or buy bread and milk. This happend this winter already in the UK.


Is your word science?

Is your opinion science?

I think not.

You're close minded which is a shame. Seems to be the same for all AGW theorists however. Your opinion is fact and you don't want to hear what anyone else has to say.

Just seems to be the norm. Not sure why.


540. P451
Quoting AstroHurricane001:
537: Remember that the mind needs rest.


Yes, yes it does.

We all think we're the authority but we merely have our opinions. Of which are probably incorrect.

Our ego prevents us from taking that into consideration.

Eh, so be it.

& now a few abstracts to lul the east coasters to sleep..

Persistent englacial drainage features in the Greenland Ice Sheet

Persistent englacial drainage features in the Greenland Ice Sheet
G. A. Catania (Institute for Geophysics, and the Department of Geology, University of Texas at Austin, Austin, TX, U.S.A.) and T. A. Neumann (Cryospheric Sciences Branch, NASA Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, MD, U.S.A.)

Abstract

Surface melting on the Greenland Ice Sheet is common up to ∼1400 m elevation and, in extreme melt years, even higher. Water produced on the ice sheet surface collects in lakes and drains over the ice sheet surface via supraglacial streams and through the ice sheet via moulins. Water delivered to the base of the ice sheet can cause uplift and enhanced sliding locally. Here we use ice-penetrating radar data to observe the effects of significant basal melting coincident with moulins and calculate how much basal melt occurred. We find that more melting has occurred than can be explained by the release of potential energy from the drainage of surface meltwater during one melt season suggesting that these moulins are persistent for multiple years. We find only a few persistent moulins in our study area that drain the equivalent of multiple lakes per year and likely remain active over several years. Our observations indicate that once established, these persistent moulins might be capable of establishing well-connected meltwater drainage pathways.

Received 26 September 2009; accepted 30 December 2009; published 29 January 2010.

Citation: Catania, G. A., and T. A. Neumann (2010), Persistent englacial drainage features in the Greenland Ice Sheet, Geophys. Res. Lett., 37, L02501, doi:10.1029/2009GL041108.

Link to abstract: http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2010/2009GL041108.shtml
542. P451
*yawn*


lol.


Honestly I did yawn about two sentences into that.

Sorry, Skye.

Large-scale controls of methanogenesis inferred from methane and gravity spaceborne data
A. Anthony Bloom,1 Paul I. Palmer,1,* Annemarie Fraser,1 David S. Reay,1 and Christian Frankenberg2
Abstract
Wetlands are the largest individual source of methane (CH4), but the magnitude and distribution of this source are poorly understood on continental scales. We isolated the wetland and rice paddy contributions to spaceborne CH4 measurements over 2003–2005 using satellite observations of gravity anomalies, a proxy for water-table depth {Gamma}, and surface temperature analyses TS. We find that tropical and higher-latitude CH4 variations are largely described by {Gamma} and TS variations, respectively. Our work suggests that tropical wetlands contribute 52 to 58% of global emissions, with the remainder coming from the extra-tropics, 2% of which is from Arctic latitudes. We estimate a 7% rise in wetland CH4 emissions over 2003–2007, due to warming of mid-latitude and Arctic wetland regions, which we find is consistent with recent changes in atmospheric CH4.
1 School of GeoSciences, University of Edinburgh, Edinburgh, U.K.
2 SRON Netherlands Institute for Space Research, Utrecht, The Netherlands.


*Correspondence e-mail: pip@ed.ac.uk

Link: http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/327/5963/322
#541 & #543, Skyepony very interesting reads a "lil intense", but that is good information!
Recent changes in Arctic sea ice melt onset, freezeup, and melt season length

Recent changes in Arctic sea ice melt onset, freezeup, and melt season length
Thorsten Markus (Cryospheric Sciences Branch, NASA Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, MD, U.S.A.), Julienne C. Stroeve (National Snow and Ice Data Center, University of Colorado, Boulder, CO, U.S.A.) and Jeffrey Miller (Wyle Information Sciences, NASA Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, MD, U.S.A.)

Abstract

In order to explore changes and trends in the timing of Arctic sea ice melt onset and freezeup, and therefore melt season length, we developed a method that obtains this information directly from satellite passive microwave data, creating a consistent data set from 1979 through present. We furthermore distinguish between early melt (the first day of the year when melt is detected) and the first day of continuous melt. A similar distinction is made for the freezeup. Using this method we analyze trends in melt onset and freezeup for 10 different Arctic regions. In all regions except for the Sea of Okhotsk, which shows a very slight and statistically insignificant positive trend (0.4 d decade−1), trends in melt onset are negative, i.e., toward earlier melt. The trends range from −1.0 d decade−1 for the Bering Sea to −7.3 d decade−1 for the East Greenland Sea. Except for the Sea of Okhotsk all areas also show a trend toward later autumn freeze onset. The Chukchi/Beaufort seas and Laptev/East Siberian seas observe the strongest trends with 7 d decade−1. For the entire Arctic, the melt season length has increased by about 20 days over the last 30 years. Largest trends of over 10 d decade−1 are seen for Hudson Bay, the East Greenland Sea, the Laptev/East Siberian seas, and the Chukchi/Beaufort seas. Those trends are statistically significant at the 99% level.

Received 13 April 2009; accepted 4 September 2009; published 29 December 2009.

Citation: Markus, T., J. C. Stroeve, and J. Miller (2009), Recent changes in Arctic sea ice melt onset, freezeup, and melt season length, J. Geophys. Res., 114, C12024; doi: 10.1029/2009JC005436.

Link to abstract: http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2009/2009JC005436.shtml
This is NASA's recent thoughts on Antarctica melting. Lot of good stuff about Pine Island, GRACE..
Recent Greenland ice loss responsible for one sixth of sea-level rise

Between 2000 and 2008, Greenland lost 1500 cubic kilometres of ice, which is responsible for one-sixth of global sea-level rise, says scientists.

Michiel van den Broeke of Utrecht University in the Netherlands and colleagues say that the bad news is that the rate of ice loss is increasing.

To reach the conclusion, researchers began by modelling the difference in annual snowfall and snowmelt in Greenland between 2003 and 2008 to reveal the net ice loss for each year. They then compared each year's loss with that calculated from readings by the GRACE satellite, which "weighs" the ice sheet by measuring its gravity.

The researchers found that results from the two methods roughly matched and showed that Greenland is losing enough ice to contribute on average 0.46 millimetres per year to global sea-level rise.

The loss may be accelerating: since 2006, warm summers have caused levels to rise by 0.75 millimetres per year, though van den Broeke says we can't be sure whether this trend will continue.

Sea levels are rising globally by 3 millimetres on average.

DYNAMIC OCEAN TOPOGRAPHY



The mean dynamic ocean topography (DOT) is the difference between the time-averaged sea surface and the geoid (the equipotential surface of the Earth's gravity field that best fits the mean sea surface). All geoid slopes are 'horizontal'. A tilt of the the sea surface relative to the horizontal measures the strength of surface 'geostrophic' currents. The DOT measures the long-term-averaged strength of ocean currents, the 'steady-state' circulation. One example is the Gulf Stream, whose position averaged over any one year now is about the same as in 1786, when Benjamin Franklin and Timothy Folger charted it (Richardson, 1980). The North-South (meridional) gradient of the DOT is proportional to the East-West (zonal) geostrophic component of ocean surface current velocities (the rest is the wind-driven Ekman current); the zonal gradient of the DOT is proportional to the meridional velocity.

The DOT can be constructed from geodetic data: an altimetric mean sea surface (from over a decade of radar altimetry), and an accurate geoid.

The DOT can also be constructed by combining in-situ oceanoraphic data (temperature and salinity of seawater, direct measurements of current velocity, etc). A third way is by combining the geodetic estimate (altimetry and geoid) with the traditional oceanographic estimate (Niiler et al, 2003).

Here we offer a recent (Jul-Aug 2008), purely geodetic estimate. It was prepared by Don Chambers (U. Texas-Austin), from the Mean Sea Surface constructed by O. Andersen, P. Knudsen and colleagues et at at the Danish National Space Center (Mean Sea Surface (Knudsen, Vest, Andersen) ) and the geoid comstructed by Nikos Pavlis and colleagues(EGM-2008 Geoid) based on GRACE data, other space and situ gravity data.

DYNAMIC OCEAN TOPOGRAPHY

EASTWARD GEOSTROPHIC VELOCITY
Two dollars from a young girl in Malaysia, $14.65 (to another NPO) from a group of homeless people in Baltimore...proof that little acts create big works.

Please give what you can...as often as you can. Portlight is making progress each day in Haiti. This is not a sprint, it's a marathon. Please keep pacing us, as Portlight continues to bring mobility, accessibility and HOPE to Haiti. Your support means everything!!!

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wow everybody went ni-night - i think i'll do the same
wow, definitely was a slow night in here! have a great one everyone! (:
Quoting tornadodude:
wow, definitely was a slow night in here! have a great one everyone! (:
I been out to party ;) Which btw was quiet a task as almost all the streets and sidewalks are completly iced.
Quoting P451:


Is your word science?

Is your opinion science?

I think not.

You're close minded which is a shame. Seems to be the same for all AGW theorists however. Your opinion is fact and you don't want to hear what anyone else has to say.

Just seems to be the norm. Not sure why.


I base my argument on news and yes scientific evidence. If you don't than well - just don't. However this is a weather and climate blog and i acknowledge your post on weather, i mean it. But if you post things which contradict science evidence than you need to provide - scientific evidence.
I suggest you stay with weather reports and let me post my climate stuff. Cheers.
Quoting Patrap:
Recent Greenland ice loss responsible for one sixth of sea-level rise
I belive what many do not know yet is the fact that warmer temperature also increases sea level rise.


Attaining maximum density


Almost all known substances undergo thermal expansion in response to heating, meaning that a given mass of substance contracts to a low volume at low temperatures, when little thermal energy is present. Substances, especially fluids in which intermolecular forces are weak, also undergo compression upon the application of pressure. Nearly all substances therefore reach a density maximum at very low temperatures and very high pressures, characteristic properties of the solid state of matter.

Maximum density of water

An especially notable irregular maximum density is that of water, which reaches a density peak at 3.98 °C under standard conditions of pressure due to the low-density crystal structure of typical ice. This has important ramifications in Earth's ecosystem; see Water (molecule)#Density of water and ice.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximum_density_of_water

i have been watching the water level here no water rise yet. 60f cool day e cent florida


Phytoplankton bloom in the southern Pacific Ocean, off Chile

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Could this be cause by the high SST's?
WOW, interesting article i have found. Very much hope its not true.
Link
Quoting AussieStorm:
WOW, interesting article i have found. Very much hope its not true.
Link


Conspiracy theories really are fun, aren't they? I still enjoy reading about whether we really landed on the moon. Of course, we did but it is still fun to read.
Quoting AussieStorm:
WOW, interesting article i have found. Very much hope its not true.
Link


We can't predict earthquakes but we can cause them?
Here is an interesting article for those who are interested in understanding why some folks get so emotional about ecological issues, including CC:

Link
563. P451
Quoting drg0dOwnCountry:
I base my argument on news and yes scientific evidence. If you don't than well - just don't. However this is a weather and climate blog and i acknowledge your post on weather, i mean it. But if you post things which contradict science evidence than you need to provide - scientific evidence.
I suggest you stay with weather reports and let me post my climate stuff. Cheers.


It's all good.

564. unf97
Good morning to all of my fellow WU bloggers!

It is a morning you would expect for the last day of January, a bit chilly and nippy in Jax area. Currently, skies are cloudy and the temp is 42.7 degrees at 9:15 a.m. At my north Jax location. The morning low was 39.6 degrees.

The ice ans snow storm that moved through the Southern Plains, Tennessee Valley and Mid Atlantic states during the past 36 hours has left a very decent snow pack in those areas. The result is the shallow polar air mass has been slower to modify. This has also kept a large area of cold low level status deck of clouds over the SE US, which has been very slow to erode. Eventually, subsidence will erode these clouds as the day progresses. These clouds will help keep the temps from rising much today. We will be lucky to make it to 50 degrees, especially if clearing doesn't occur until late.

Another wet week ahead for the Florida peninsula as the active EL Nino pattern continues. It appears that the models are forecasting two Low pressure areas to move out of the GOM, with both systems appearing to track farther south. The first Low is projected to move over Central FL Tuesday. The other GOM Low is forecast to move through during the Thursday-Friday period. The second system later this week appears to be the stronger one glancing at the models.

Just a cool and wet week ahead of NE FL. Thankfully, it appears that we won't see any arctic air intrusions at least for the next week.

Have a great day everyone.
Can i post a joke?
566. P451
Wow, interesting. I was on a flight that got struck by lightning. Damndest thing I ever saw. It's pretty insane to see a lightning bolt about a foot from your face but I did see it.

I thought aircraft were immune to trouble as a result. I guess not. Always wondered why they were immune. Not being grounded was always the explanation I got.



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MONTGOMERY, Ala. — An airport official says a U.S. Airways flight was struck by lightning on its way to Florida, forcing the plane and its passengers to divert to Alabama.

Montgomery Regional Airport spokeswoman Lynn Cox said Saturday that the flight was grounded after 9:30 p.m. Friday in Montgomery, where the passengers had been given overnight accommodations.

Cox says a replacement plane had not arrived Saturday. She says some passengers arranged rental cars to continue on to Pensacola.

Cox says she was not aware of any injuries.

Cox did not know how many passengers were on board or where the flight originated.

A U.S. Airways spokeswoman said the airline was looking into the incident and had no immediate comment.
Quoting AussieStorm:
WOW, interesting article i have found. Very much hope its not true.
Link

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE TAMPA BAY RUSKIN FL
911 AM EST SUN JAN 31 2010

.UPDATE...WATER VAPOR IMAGERY SHOWING SW FLOW ALOFT STREAMING
UPPER MOISTURE OVER THE ENTIRE GULF AND FL PENINSULA. AT THE
SURFACE HIGH PRESSURE CONTINUES TO BUILD INTO THE REGION FROM THE
MID MISSISSIPPI RIVER VALLEY WHILE YESTERDAYS FRONT IS STALLED
OVER FL STRAITS AND SE GULF. MORNING SOUNDING SHOWING OVERRUNNING
SETTING UP WITH N-NE FLOW UNDER 2200 FT INVERSION THEN MODERATE TO
STRONG W-SW FLOW ABOVE THAT. EARLY VIS SATELLITE IMAGES SHOWING
MULTIPLE CLOUD LEVELS WITH LOW CLOUDS WRAPPING OVER THE DEEP SOUTH
INTO THE AREA WHILE THICK MID TO UPPER CLOUD SHIELD MOVING FROM SE
GULF OVER THE FL PENINSULA. WILL HOLD MOSTLY CLOUDY SKIES FROM
THE BAY AREA SOUTHWARD TODAY. MAY EVEN SEE A LIGHT SPRINKLE FROM
THIS IN SW FL BUT 10 POPS SHOULD HOLD AS EVEN IT DOES OCCUR BEFORE
00Z IT WOULD BE VERY LIGHT AND BARELY MEASURABLE. BUT AFT 00Z
RAIN CHANCE EXPECTED TO INCREASE FROM SW FL THROUGH THE BAY AREA
THEN THE POTENTIAL FOR SIGNIFICANT RAIN EVENT MONDAY AND TUESDAY
AREA WIDE.


Quoting drg0dOwnCountry:


why did u post that video, it doesn't relate to the quake in anyway.
Quoting P451:
Wow, interesting. I was on a flight that got struck by lightning. Damndest thing I ever saw. It's pretty insane to see a lightning bolt about a foot from your face but I did see it.

Last week or so i read about 2 airplane crashes and if i remember correct. Everytime they contributed it to severe weather ...
Quoting AussieStorm:

why did u post that video, it doesn't relate to the quake in anyway.
Ops, meant to respond to 562.
Quoting GrtLksQuest:


We can't predict earthquakes but we can cause them?

do you think this is what happened?
Quoting drg0dOwnCountry:
Ops, meant to respond to 562.

maybe you should check which post you are replying too.
Quoting P451:
It's all good.

No, P451, I disagree. No, I don't sink it is "all good".

All of a sudden we have 2 noobs show up that are instant professionals at digesting earth science data and telling us about all of the wild changes afoot that they have never seen before. When, as best I can tell, these 2 have never analyzed these data sets in the presence of an El Nino, much less, a winter. One is more tuned to data and the other is all about manufactured fear industry.

One of them does actually try to learn how it all works, though misses badly on the normal effects of El Nino. The other just misses, is more than a little abrasive, at times, and gets off on telling us/you to just let him post CC data and his alarmist claims without challenge?

No. I don't sink it is all good. Otherwise we would need to be preparing for our world to end in the next couple of months and I would need to work exclusively on my bucket list.

Not at all "all good".
Quoting atmoaggie:

Otherwise we would need to be preparing for our world to end in the next couple of months and I would need to work exclusively on my bucket list.

Not at all "all good".
No, you are not alarmist.
Please elaborate more on your plans. And btw i'm longer active than you at WU - so much for the noob.
Quoting atmoaggie:

No, P451, I disagree. No, I don't sink it is "all good".

All of a sudden we have 2 noobs show up that are instant professionals at digesting earth science data and telling us about all of the wild changes afoot that they have never seen before. When, as best I can tell, these 2 have never analyzed these data sets in the presence of an El Nino, much less, a winter. One is more tuned to data and the other is all about manufactured fear industry.

One of them does actually try to learn how it all works, though misses badly on the normal effects of El Nino. The other just misses, is more than a little abrasive, at times, and gets off on telling us/you to just let him post CC data and his alarmist claims without challenge?

No. I don't sink it is all good. Otherwise we would need to be preparing for our world to end in the next couple of months and I would need to work exclusively on my bucket list.

Not at all "all good".



I've been adjusting my ignore list accordingly. I don't mind listening to people have civil conversations about the climate, but when you start being totally closed down and uncivil with other people, it's just not right. My personal opinion, and that's just it is my opinion, is that if people feel that strongly about what is going on, they should stop spending time arguing and being harsh to others and try and spend their time being constructive, and putting into practice practical solutions to help our environment.


As for me I believe in taking care of what we've been given and I do what I can. I drive a car with good gas mileage, I try and recycle. I don't use hardly any energy, use my windows when I can, and I try too use my fans if I can without putting the A/C on. Those things make sense to me. They're practical.

Forcing one anothers opinions down each others throats is not. We all share this planet together, might as well at least be civil with each other. I'll leave this with a quote from Mother Teresa:

"If we have no peace, it is because we have forgotten that we belong to each other."
I don't have a bucket list.
Should my bucket list be to make a bucket list?
Oh, what a good idea for my blog sometime.
As long as it's weather-related... :)
Quoting AussieStorm:

do you think this is what happened?


No! Conspiracy theories are so much more gripping than reality - and unfortunately often pervasive and enduring. How do you prove you didn't do something?
LOOKS LIKE ITS TIME FOR SOME EMPTY SPACE TO BE CREATE
Quoting GrtLksQuest:


No! Conspiracy theories are so much more gripping than reality - and unfortunately often pervasive and enduring. How do you prove you didn't do something?


That reminds me of the old "joke" about getting security clearances...
"How often would you say s/he beats the children and/or dog?"
Quoting AussieStorm:
Can i post a joke?


Yes, please.
comment 557 558 streching the blog posts hidden
Quoting AwakeInMaryland:


Yes, please.


Oh yes AIM, please post a joke, you're a real live firecracker :0)!!
LOL, Good afternoon, Bordo!
I was actually looking forward to Aussie's joke.
But okay, here's one I had actually pulled up for another WU person's blog (I'm pretty sure you'll recognize the theme)! :)

It's relevant because it takes place at least 50 percent under water (pfft)!



584. LOL -- yes, that's a universal tornado we can all agree on!

Whoops, I mean cyclone. See, I'm still getting weather events confused.
587. Inyo
Why would the US even WANT to take over Haiti? It is poverty stricken and stripped of most of its natural resources? If the US were going to start unjustified wars in search of resources to take, well.... maybe you are on the wrong side of the globe.
Quoting AussieStorm:
WOW, interesting article i have found. Very much hope its not true.
Link


Ok, now that is hilarious.. how gullible do they think people are?
Golly, here's an interesting article on why people react the way the do.

If people vote against their own interests, it is not because they do not understand what is in their interest or have not yet had it properly explained to them. They do it because they resent having their interests decided for them by politicians who think they know best. There is nothing voters hate more than having things explained to them as though they were idiots. As the saying goes, in politics, when you are explaining, you are losing.

This article has a different focus, but the GW aspect and loathing for Al Gore seems to follow this line. Of course, this is nothing new. Eons ago when I asked my father why Woody Dumas could be mayor of BR for so long and come across as such a doofus, he explained that voters don't want someone in office who is smarter than they are.
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
LOOKS LIKE ITS TIME FOR SOME EMPTY SPACE TO BE CREATE


KOG, WTH happened to your team last night???
Quoting Orcasystems:


KOG, WTH happened to your team last night???
well they didn't win what else is new
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
well they didn't win what else is new


They were winning 3-0 and ended up loosing 3-5,
thats just bad.
593. IKE
Another heavy rain maker late this coming week for the gulf-coast on the 12Z GFS.
. wrong spot
595. P451
I hear ya Atmo. I just don't feel like fighting.

If people are going to be rude there's nothing I can do about it. I got no ego to bruise so I don't need to be 'standing up' for myself if you will. It's just a blog afterall. He makes some good points. I disagree with them and I disagree with the attitude but hey it's not under my control.

Been a rough couple of days in the ole' noggin.

So I'm just gunna step back and let sleeping dogs lie.

Apologies to the blog for being a jerkoff the past few days.

Quoting P451:
I hear ya Atmo. I just don't feel like fighting.

If people are going to be rude there's nothing I can do about it. I got no ego to bruise so I don't need to be 'standing up' for myself if you will. It's just a blog afterall. He makes some good points. I disagree with them and I disagree with the attitude but hey it's not under my control.

Been a rough couple of days in the ole' noggin.

So I'm just gunna step back and let sleeping dogs lie.

Apologies to the blog for being a jerkoff the past few days.



Hey my Friend, Look no Apologies... You can disagree with them, me and anyone else if you choose too. But the fighting does get out of hand sometimes and thats when it is wrong..... If we all stepped back from our Laptops and or Computers just for a moment and breath it might not get out of hand.... Now I will tell you I donot agree with "GW" either but I will not get into a fight about it, and if I'm wrong then I'm wrong..... I am "Man Enough" to say that I'm wrong then I move on..... Over the last few years I have found out that it is just not worth it to argue over something that I or anyone else in here has any control over.... I have "great respect" for a lot of people in here and Dr Masters for what he has done for this Community (weather Underground).... So no "Apologies Needed"

Telford AKA Taco :0)
Quoting Orcasystems:


KOG, WTH happened to your team last night???
i kinda like the term

they choked on that and alot more latly
here's the swirl in the east Atlantic.

(Click on that & zoom in)

hhmm..lighting up the probability map..


phase analysis has had it warm core.

Best windsat in the last day
this is Unbelievable!!!


WOOOOOOOOW you got too take a look at this what a big big turn a round WOW WOW WOW WOW we went from drought too all most no drought



Unbelievable!!!

Taz~ wish you water table was as recovered..

A 996
MB GALE LOW IS CENTERED OVER THE E ATLANTIC NEAR 29N30W.

FORMOSA
Quoting Skyepony:
Taz~ wish you water table was as recovered..

A 996
MB GALE LOW IS CENTERED OVER THE E ATLANTIC NEAR 29N30W.

FORMOSA

here is a sat image to go with it

Good morning folks!

Paul and I have both heard from Richaard this morning; he's on the ground in Port au Prince and from what he's seen, the biggest need right now is tents...food is certainly an issue, but tents are in very short supply. Please think about who you know that might be able to help with this need and if you can, do the initial legwork (make the contact) and pass them to either Paul or I. We are currently looking at Army/Navy surplus but any connections you folks mught be able to make for us would be greatly appreciated!
Portlight Haiti relief update...open for comments...
Link
US Military General Purpose Tents

or GP tents are needed.







Looks almost like a sub-tropical storm. If this was Summer there would be cries to name this Alex.

Pat...I just don't know how you do it....but, yes...that is exactly what is needed...


Unless the sun peaks out, you can forget about 60 degrees!
609. IKE
Nice visible of the snow-cover from the Texas/Oklahoma panhandles to North Carolina....

GFS phase diagrams from the EATL low:


611. IKE
Looks like some arctic air may be invading the central and eastern USA around the 9-10th of February according to the 12Z ECMWF.
613. P451
Quoting IKE:
Looks like some arctic air may be invading the central and eastern USA around the 9-10th of February according to the 12Z ECMWF.

GFS has been hinting at an outbreak in my area around the same timeframe, and then went completely wacko with it.

Quoting 1900hurricane:

GFS has been hinting at an outbreak in my area around the same timeframe, and then went completely wacko with it.


Wow. That would be bad...that is a LOT of freezing rain.

Hope it is whacko...prolly so.
for those of you interested in the Super Bowl, feel free to comment on my blog
Yeah, no kidding! I can't even imagine what 2.5 inches of freezing rain would do to a city like Houston.

Lafayette, Purdue University Airport
Lat: 40.43 Lon: -86.93 Elev: 623
Last Update on Jan 31, 2:54 pm EST

Fair

28 °F
(-2 °C)
Humidity: 53 %
Wind Speed: W 13 MPH
Barometer: 30.23" (1024.5 mb)
Dewpoint: 13 °F (-11 °C)
Wind Chill: 17 °F (-8 °C)
Visibility: 10.00 mi.
619. IKE
6-10 day temp. outlook....




8-14 day temp. outlook....

Quoting IKE:
Looks like some arctic air may be invading the central and eastern USA around the 9-10th of February according to the 12Z ECMWF.


OHH, Ike, that looks similar to what slammed the Eastern 2/3 of the US in early Jan 2010.
621. IKE
Quoting Bordonaro:


OHH, Ike, that looks similar to what slammed the Eastern 2/3 of the US in early Jan 2010.


Agree.
Quoting 1900hurricane:
Yeah, no kidding! I can't even imagine what 2.5 inches of freezing rain would do to a city like Houston.



My friend, 1900Hurricane, can you post one of these graphs for the Dallas-Ft Worth, TX area for the same timeframe please..
More from the religion of AGW:

UN climate change panel based claims on student dissertation and magazine article

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/7111525/UN-climate-change-panel-based-cl aims-on-student-dissertation-and-magazine-article.html
Quoting Bordonaro:


My friend, 1900Hurricane, can you post one of these graphs for the Dallas-Ft Worth, TX area for the same timeframe please..


Quoting IKE:


Agree.


Well, I might as well get ready for the chance of some more Siberian air. The latest Polar airmass has kept temps here in Arlington, TX in the 26-38F range since 12Midnight Fr 1-29 through today Su 1-31. We are at 38F the warmest it has been since last Thursday evening. It is overcast, raw and nasty cold outside.
Sorry, adding as a link

Link
Quoting 1900hurricane:




Thanks a million, that looks nasty cold, hopefully not too much Siberian air gets pulled in I am ready for more 75-80F weather!!
Quoting Bordonaro:


Thanks a million, that looks nasty cold, hopefully not too much Siberian air gets pulled in I am ready for more 75-80F weather!!


I cant even remember the last time it was that warm here, probably back in October
Quoting tornadodude:


I cant even remember the last time it was that warm here, probably back in October

I can understand. We are at the 32.5N latittude. We are used to temp ranges from the 70/45F range, with a few 50F/27F days in between. This is insane. We were about 11F below normal for the first 12 days of the month and 12F above normal for the next 16 days, now at 10F below normal the last 2 days. We went from +13F to +79F in temperature range at the Arlington Municipal AP here in N TX. This weather we have now really bites!
The last time it was 70 was on November 8th, and the last time it was 80 was September 23rd :P
631. IKE
Just looking at The Weather Channel....rainfall here in Defuniak Springs, FL. in January... 10.07 inches.
Quoting tornadodude:
The last time it was 70 was on November 8th, and the last time it was 80 was September 23rd :P

Yes, but normal for you is about 10-12F cooler than what we have. We are 300miles from the sub-tropics, as you're in the heart of the N American temperate zone.
I highly doubt we will have a multi-inch freezing rain event here, but it does appear that everything is pointing towards another big cold outbreak by mid-February.
Quoting Bordonaro:

Yes, but normal for you is about 10-12F cooler than what we have. We are 300miles from the sub-tropics, as you're in the heart of the N American temperate zone.


yeah, this year has been cooler than normal though. We hit 90 once last year, and that was in early june
Quoting tornadodude:


yeah, this year has been cooler than normal though. We hit 90 once last year, and that was in early june

You hit 90*F once? We were above 100*F essentially the entire summer! It the hottest summer on record for much of Texas.
Quoting 1900hurricane:

You hit 90*F once? We were above 100*F essentially the entire summer! It the hottest summer on record for much of Texas.


yeah, we had a very cool summer, one of the coolest on record
Quoting tornadodude:


yeah, we had a very cool summer, one of the coolest on record

Yeah, strangely enough, Texas was one of only a handful hot spots the past summer. We must have been in a bubble or something... :P
Quoting tornadodude:


yeah, we had a very cool summer, one of the coolest on record

For 2009, DFW, TX reported 95 days above 90F, with 21 of those days 100F or better! that is pretty close to our normal. Wanna trade??
Quoting 1900hurricane:

Yeah, strangely enough, Texas was one of only a handful hot spots the past summer. We must have been in a bubble or something... :P
Quoting Bordonaro:

DFW, TX reported 95 days above 90F, with 21 of those days 100F+ or better! Wanna trade??


geeze, I looked back, we hit 90 degrees 3 times in june, and 3 more time is August, and that was it
Quoting Bordonaro:

For 2009, DFW, TX reported 95 days above 90F, with 21 of those days 100F or better! that is pretty close to our normal. Wanna trade??

45 100*F+ days (I didn't even bother to count the 90*F+ days), along with a 56 day streak with no rain!
I think I win. :P
yeah I havent hit 100 since August 2007 lol
Quoting 1900hurricane:

45 100*F days (I didn't even bother to count the 90*F days), along with a 56 day streak with no rain!

Yes, Southeast and Deep South TX was hammered with a miserable long heat wave. DFW was lucky, we were on the northern fringe of the High pressure ridge, so we hovered in the 95-99F range a good part of your 100 stretch.
Quoting Bordonaro:

For 2009, DFW, TX reported 95 days above 90F, with 21 of those days 100F or better! that is pretty close to our normal. Wanna trade??

You shoulda been here (Fort Worth) in 1980 - we did 69 days over 100, hit 113 twice
G'afternoon, folks! Any early guesses as to what this year's cane season may bring us?
Quoting transitzone:

You shoulda been here (Fort Worth) in 1980 - we did 69 days over 100, hit 113 twice

I missed that heat wave. I moved to Arlington, TX on 11-3-1980. It made the National news on a regular basis. The heat wave in 1999 in the DFW area had 29 days in a row over 100F, with a total of 56. That was bad enough, it did not rain for 84 days straight.
646. It is way too early to say. My guess is we will see a more active Hurricane season, as Modiki El Nino is in the process of winding down as we speak!
Just a heads up to everyone in the Mid-Atlantic for next weekend - Could be a pretty substanstial snowfall for the same areas that got snow yesterday - GFS has consistently "bombed" a storm off Hatteras on Super Sunday - Could cutoff and be rather prolonged - Looks like a chilly Super Bowl in Miami - Dry, but highs only in the 50's.
Heyyy Peeps.. looks like we might get another similar cold air blast near the 10th of February for 2/3 of consus again.. the question is, will it b near as strong as the last artic blast in January 2010.. ?
Quoting FLPandhandleJG:
Heyyy Peeps.. looks like we might get another similar cold air blast near the 10th of February for 2/3 of consus again.. the question is, will it b near as strong as the last artic blast in January 2010.. ?


Too early to call, but it is going to be a sizeable and nasty chunk of Arctic air, that's for sure.
Quoting Chucktown:
Just a heads up to everyone in the Mid-Atlantic for next weekend - Could be a pretty substanstial snowfall for the same areas that got snow yesterday - GFS has consistently "bombed" a storm off Hatteras on Super Sunday - Could cutoff and be rather prolonged - Looks like a chilly Super Bowl in Miami - Dry, but highs only in the 50's.


I understand that you're a meteorologist. How severe will the Arctic outbreak be in the 2-9 through 2-11 time frame? I am here in Dallas-Ft Worth, TX. Thanks.
Quoting Bordonaro:


Too early to call, but it is going to be a sizeable and nasty chunk of Arctic air, that's for sure.


i guess we will c in a few more days.. but how u doing Bob? On the el nino part, I still believe theres sum moisture to play with for a few weeks.. not as strong as we have seen it but still sum left.. as sum models point more moisture coming to the south every 3 to 4 days..
Quoting FLPandhandleJG:


i guess we will c in a few more days.. but how u doing Bob? On the el nino part, I still believe theres sum moisture to play with for a few weeks.. not as strong as we have seen it but still sum left.. as sum models point more moisture coming to the south every 3 to 4 days..


JG it has not hit 40F here in the Dallas-Ft Worth area since late Th 1-28-10. It's been between 26-39F since then, with 3.40" of rain in Grand Prairie, TX a few miles from my place. It's now 39F, overcast and miserable!

I am doing well, looking for the sun!!
Quoting Bordonaro:


JG it has not hit 40F here in the Dallas-Ft Worth area since late Th 1-28-10. It's been between 26-39F since then, with 3.40" of rain in Grand Prairie, TX a few miles from my place. It's now 39F, overcast and miserable!

I am doing well, looking for the sun!!


ouch i hear ya.. its like we go to real cold, then strong storm / alot of rain, and get a lil warm break.. while keeps flip flopping like this, its hard to keep the cold and summer weather clothes out at once.. one week we be warm then air comes the cold air lol.. wacky weather.. yuck!
Quoting Bordonaro:


I understand that you're a meteorologist. How severe will the Arctic outbreak be in the 2-9 through 2-11 time frame? I am here in Dallas-Ft Worth, TX. Thanks.


Actually, I don't see much arctic air for Texas during that time frame. There will be some cold air east of the Mississippi as that coastal departs, but right now doesn't look like much out of the ordinary for February.
Quoting Chucktown:


Actually, I don't see much arctic air for Texas during that time frame. There will be some cold air east of the Mississippi as that coastal departs, but right now doesn't look like much out of the ordinary for February.


Thanks Chucktown. I have more than had my fill of winter here in Arlington, TX. I am ready for spring to show up!
Quoting FLPandhandleJG:


ouch i hear ya.. its like we go to real cold, then strong storm / alot of rain, and get a lil warm break.. while keeps flip flopping like this, its hard to keep the cold and summer weather clothes out at once.. one week we be warm then air comes the cold air lol.. wacky weather.. yuck!


North Texas in the winter is sandwiched in between mild sub-tropical air over far S TX and the Continental Polar airmass to our north. The average January temps for Dallas-Ft Worth, TX are 35/56F. That means we will see winter and spring/fall like temps. In Arlington, TX the low for January was 13F, the high was 79F. That is a wild 66F temp range. And the funny part is the DFW AP will report the Jan 2010 data tomorrow, and we are probably right at normal!

So far we are 0.6F above normal. We have had 14 days below normal, including today, which was 13F below normal; 16 days above normal and 1 day was actually normal.
662. mobal
UN climate change panel based claims on student dissertation and magazine article
The United Nations' expert panel on climate change based claims about ice disappearing from the world's mountain tops on a student's dissertation and an article in a mountaineering magazine.

The revelation will cause fresh embarrassment for the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), which had to issue a humiliating apology earlier this month over inaccurate statements about global warming.

The IPCC's remit is to provide an authoritative assessment of scientific evidence on climate change.

Good article
Quoting Bordonaro:


Thanks Chucktown. I have more than had my fill of winter here in Arlington, TX. I am ready for spring to show up!
49 days till spring
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
49 days till spring

Thanks KOG. The average day of our last freeze is Mar 14, first freeze is Nov 22, for a growing season of 248 days, 8 months and 8 days. Brownsville, TX about 400mi to our south has a 363 day growing season.
US cold summer anomaly 2009

In addition, popular belief that the world is cooling is reinforced by cold
weather anomalies in the United States in the summer of 2009 and cold anomalies in much of
the Northern Hemisphere in December 2009
.
http://solveclimate.com/blog/20100129/if-its-warm-how-come-its-so-darned-cold

Article featuring cold/warm anomalies, see linked pdf for above statement.
Lindsey Graham: Every day that we delay trying to find a price for carbon is a day that China uses to dominate the green economy.
With 20 million jobs at stake globally, China poured $440 billion into clean energy last year. Our only hope to match them is the bipartisan climate and clean energy jobs bill

Six months ago my biggest worry was that an emissions deal would make American business less competitive compared to China, said Senator Lindsay Graham, a Republican from South Carolina who has been deeply involved in climate change issues in Congress. Now my concern is that every day that we delay trying to find a price for carbon is a day that China uses to dominate the green economy.

He added: China has made a long-term strategic decision and they are going gang-busters.

http://climateprogress.org/2010/01/31/lindsey-graham-price-for-carbon-china-dominate-the-green-econ omy-clean-energy-jobs/
China has an advantage already. And know what, they might know why it is so importend.(beside climate change)

Talking about peak oil and such ...

Oil companies hit by 'state' cyber attacks
Petrol reserves data targeted
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/25/oil_companies_attacked/
At 18:00 PM UTC, Tropical Depression 07 (996 hPa) located at 11.5S 168.4W has 10 minute sustained winds of 25-30 knots close to the center possibly increasing to 35 knots within 60 to 120 NM of the center in sectors from northesat through southeast in the next 24 hours. The depression is reported as moving east at 15 knots. Position POOR based on multispectral enhanced infrared radar/visible imagery with animation and peripheral surface observations.

Overall organization improved past 12 hours. Deep convection erupted over low level circulation center overnight but warmed past 3 hours due to diurnal influence. Primary band to north trying to wrap around low level circulation center against existing shear. CIMSS indicate increasing shear a little further to the east of track. System located under diffluent region at 250 HPA. Outflow developing to east and north. Sea surface temperature is around 30C.

Dvorak based on wrap of 0.4 on LOG10 spiral yielding DT2.5. PT=2.0 and MET=2.5, FT based on DT and MET.

Dvorak Intensity: T2.5/2.5/D1.5/24 HRS.

Depression steered east by low to mid level west to northwest flow associated with monsoon trough. Some global models has captured the system and generally agree on eastward track before a southeast turn in the next 36 to 48 hours.

Potential for this system to develop into a tropical cyclone in the next 24-48 hours is MODERATE TO HIGH.

The next Tropical Disturbance Advisory will be issued at around 02:30 AM (Monday)
Quoting 1900hurricane:

Yeah, strangely enough, Texas was one of only a handful hot spots the past summer. We must have been in a bubble or something... :P

You were under that upper level high that we were stuck under for the month of June.
Quoting transitzone:

You shoulda been here (Fort Worth) in 1980 - we did 69 days over 100, hit 113 twice


Hello, all!

I know I'm 2 hours late to this discussion, but I just had to comment on the 1980 heat wave. I lived in Austin, was VERY pregnant with my first child, driving a car with no a/c. Came home from work one evening, about 7PM, about 112 degrees in the shade. Lo and behold, no a/c in my apartment. It took nearly a full week to get it fixed. Labor and delivery was nothing compared to that misery! I've always wondered if that oppressive heat wasn't the reason my son arrived 4 weeks early!
Overcast and cool day...Loved it!...Looks like tomorrow will be a bit on the wet side...

Local Text Forecast for
West Palm Beach, FL (33409)

Jan 31 Tonight
Considerable cloudiness. Occasional rain showers after midnight. Low 64F. Winds NE at 10 to 20 mph. Chance of rain 40%.
Feb 1 Tomorrow
Showers early then thundershowers developing later in the day. High 71F. Winds E at 10 to 20 mph. Chance of rain 70%. Locally heavier rainfall possible.
Feb 1 Tomorrow night
Overcast with rain showers at times. Thunder possible. Low 67F. Winds ESE at 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 60%.
Feb 2 Tuesday
Scattered thunderstorms. Highs in the upper 70s and lows in the upper 50s.
Feb 3 Wednesday
Partly cloudy. Highs in the low 70s and lows in the low 60s.
Feb 4 Thursday
Occasional showers possible. Highs in the mid 70s and lows in the upper 60s.
Feb 5 Friday
Partly cloudy, chance of a thunderstorm. Highs in the mid 70s and lows in the low 60s.
Feb 6 Saturday
Chance of showers. Highs in the low 70s and lows in the mid 50s.
Feb 7 Sunday
Partly cloudy. Highs in the low 70s and lows in the low 50s.
Feb 8 Monday
Mainly sunny. Highs in the low 70s and lows in the low 50s.
Feb 9 Tuesday
Abundant sunshine. Highs in the low 70s and lows in the upper 50s.
671..I will trade you anyday! It has been below 40F here in Dallas-Ft Worth, TX since 6am Fr morning 1-29-10. It has spent the majority of those hours below freezing. We are supposed to warm up to 53F on Mon 2-1..
Quoting drg0dOwnCountry:
Lindsey Graham: Every day that we delay trying to find a price for carbon is a day that China uses to dominate the green economy.
With 20 million jobs at stake globally, China poured $440 billion into clean energy last year. Our only hope to match them is the bipartisan climate and clean energy jobs bill

Six months ago my biggest worry was that an emissions deal would make American business less competitive compared to China, said Senator Lindsay Graham, a Republican from South Carolina who has been deeply involved in climate change issues in Congress. Now my concern is that every day that we delay trying to find a price for carbon is a day that China uses to dominate the green economy.

He added: China has made a long-term strategic decision and they are going gang-busters.

http://climateprogress.org/2010/01/31/lindsey-graham-price-for-carbon-china-dominate-the-green-econ omy-clean-energy-jobs/


Go for it!

Govt doesn't drive enterprise here, nor should it.

If there is so much money to be made, venture capitalists will invest.
Quoting Bordonaro:
671..I will trade you anyday! It has been below 40F here in Dallas-Ft Worth, TX since 6am Fr morning 1-29-10. It has spent the majority of those hours below freezing. We are supposed to warm up to 53F on Mon 2-1..


Right there with you, Bord! Good for us smokers trying to quit, though - can't stand outside for more than a puff or two!!
China Leading Global Race to Make Clean Energy

TIANJIN, China — China vaulted past competitors in Denmark, Germany, Spain and the United States last year to become the world’s largest maker of wind turbines, and is poised to expand even further this year.
China has also leapfrogged the West in the last two years to emerge as the world’s largest manufacturer of solar panels. And the country is pushing equally hard to build nuclear reactors and the most efficient types of coal power plants.

These efforts to dominate renewable energy technologies raise the prospect that the West may someday trade its dependence on oil from the Mideast for a reliance on solar panels, wind turbines and other gear manufactured in China.

“Most of the energy equipment will carry a brass plate, ‘Made in China,’ ” said K. K. Chan, the chief executive of Nature Elements Capital, a private equity fund in Beijing that focuses on renewable energy.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/31/business/energy-environment/31renew.html
Quoting drg0dOwnCountry:
China Leading Global Race to Make Clean Energy

TIANJIN, China — China vaulted past competitors in Denmark, Germany, Spain and the United States last year to become the world’s largest maker of wind turbines, and is poised to expand even further this year.
China has also leapfrogged the West in the last two years to emerge as the world’s largest manufacturer of solar panels. And the country is pushing equally hard to build nuclear reactors and the most efficient types of coal power plants.

These efforts to dominate renewable energy technologies raise the prospect that the West may someday trade its dependence on oil from the Mideast for a reliance on solar panels, wind turbines and other gear manufactured in China.

“Most of the energy equipment will carry a brass plate, ‘Made in China,’ ” said K. K. Chan, the chief executive of Nature Elements Capital, a private equity fund in Beijing that focuses on renewable energy.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/31/business/energy-environment/31renew.html


Beat them.
Quoting Seastep:


Beat them.
Give me some control and i will.
From the blog on Graham's urge to keep up with china.

The moon race propelled the United States to the lunar surface in under a decade. It was driven by fierce competition between two powerful opponents.

The clean energy race could play out in much the same way. If provided the right narrative. JFK challenged the nation to send a man to the moon in under a decade. And the nation responded.

Anyone who cares about a livable climate should adopt similar messaging. Obama’s State of the Union speech and back-and-forth with the GOP was a good start. But the message needs to get amped up big time. Something like this: “China has seen the future of energy technology and they are pursuing it relentlessly. If America does not act, and act soon, we will be forever playing catch up. And risk losing our position of leadership in the world.”

Americans respond to challenges. And America is an intensely patriotic nation. Combine the two and you have a recipe to decarbonize our economy.

The trick is to channel that nationalism in a healthy direction.
http://climateprogress.org/2010/01/31/lindsey-graham-price-for-carbon-china-dominate-the-green-econ omy-clean-energy-jobs/
I have the inteli and skills to be part in such effort.
Who will win the Super Bowl? Maybe man's best friend knows. The Colts have the inside one post and the Saints the outside eight post:

Quoting GeoffreyWPB:
Hello Mrs. Flood...Saw this on the news...Maybe Portlight would be interested in this:

For Haiti, each box contains a 10-person sleeping tent, water purification tablets; insulated sleeping bags, collapsible 2.1-gallon water carriers; collapsible trenching shovel, rope, hatchet, jack-knife, screwdriver, hammer, hoe-head; multi-fuel stove; ponchos, mosquito-resistant nets, eating utensils, cups, plates, even a children's activity book.


that's pretty cool...
Quoting drg0dOwnCountry:
Give me some control and i will.


Easy. Again, if there is so much money to be made, there is capital to be had.
Quoting drg0dOwnCountry:
Lindsey Graham: Every day that we delay trying to find a price for carbon is a day that China uses to dominate the green economy.
With 20 million jobs at stake globally, China poured $440 billion into clean energy last year. Our only hope to match them is the bipartisan climate and clean energy jobs bill

Six months ago my biggest worry was that an emissions deal would make American business less competitive compared to China, said Senator Lindsay Graham, a Republican from South Carolina who has been deeply involved in climate change issues in Congress. Now my concern is that every day that we delay trying to find a price for carbon is a day that China uses to dominate the green economy.

He added: China has made a long-term strategic decision and they are going gang-busters.

http://climateprogress.org/2010/01/31/lindsey-graham-price-for-carbon-china-dominate-the-green-econ omy-clean-energy-jobs/


Oh, and take a look at post 134 here
Quoting presslord:


that's pretty cool...


Perhaps Portlight could hook up with this organization and work together. I am so fearful of this upcoming Hurricane season. One hit and I'm afraid it's back to square one.
Quoting mobal:
UN climate change panel based claims on student dissertation and magazine article
The United Nations' expert panel on climate change based claims about ice disappearing from the world's mountain tops on a student's dissertation and an article in a mountaineering magazine.

The revelation will cause fresh embarrassment for the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), which had to issue a humiliating apology earlier this month over inaccurate statements about global warming.

The IPCC's remit is to provide an authoritative assessment of scientific evidence on climate change.

Good article


Oh my goodness, this certainly made me chuckle. Sort of becomes clearer why Al Gore won't debate this topic, eh?
Quoting Seastep:


Oh, and take a look at post 134 here
Thanks and yes there is a lot of such concerns. Specialy from land use and certain fertilizer, aerosols etc.

You need energy diversification, natural geo-engeneering solution(biochar), because the released energy emissions already are locked in for the coming decades/centurys and see positive feedbacks (methane).
And we need electromobile technology which goes hand in hand with renewable energy generation (see danmark how this can be done). We need a new energy infrastructure.
Maybe as a Portlight fundraiser, we could have a Super Bowl prediction contest. Someone could open up their blog, and we can choose who we believe will win the game. If our pick is wrong, we promise to donate $10 to Portlight.
Quoting GeoffreyWPB:
Maybe as a Portlight fundraiser, we could have a Super Bowl prediction contest. Someone could open up their blog, and we can choose who we believe will win the game. If our pick is wrong, we promise to donate $10 to Portlight.


check out my blog
Your blog is it Matt. I went with the Greyhounds and the Saints. If the Colts win, $10 to Portlight.
Quoting GeoffreyWPB:
Your blog is it Matt. I went with the Greyhounds and the Saints. If the Colts win, $10 to Portlight.


great, I'm gonna update my blog with the names and who they bet for each time someone decides who they are going for
676 = China leading, really, when was the last time they told the truth? Really, ya think with these stats? ;)

China Puts Coal (Lots of It) in Copenhagen's Stocking Friday, December 18, 2009

While political leaders and environmental activists are gathered in Copenhagen to talk about carbon footprints, cap-and-trade schemes and a "carbon-constrained world," China continues burning coal at record rates. And that coal consumption means that all of the rhetoric in Copenhagen will largely amount to nothing.

In 2008, China consumed close to 3 billion tons of coal, more than twice that consumed in the U.S., and about 40% of the world consumption that year. From 2000 to 2008, China's coal use jumped by 232% and coal-fired power generation capacity increased by 265%. During that time, coal's share of China's power-generation mix has stayed at about 75%. In 2008, coal provided about 600 gigawatts of power capacity. Of the remaining 193 GW, the vast majority, about 170 GW, was provided by hydroelectric facilities.


Sources: EIA and ChinaPower

According to a recent report by China's powerful National Development and Reform Commission, the country has been increasing its coal-fired generation capacity at a rapid rate, bringing online more than one power plant per week, adding to capacity while replacing less efficient, smaller power plants. With such huge increases in capacity, China will likely be a net coal importer in 2009 for the first time, according to the NDRC estimates. Given coal's dominant position in China's electric sector, there's no doubt that for the next 50 years or so, coal-fired power plants will continue to be major players in the country's generation mix.

Although unable to reduce coal consumption, China is working to reduce pollution from the coal plants and improve their efficiency. About 50GW of small (100 megawatts or less) and inefficient coal-fired power plants in the eastern part of the country were scheduled to be shut down from 2006 to 2010. So far about 90% of this goal has been met.

During the last two years, China has surpassed the United States to become the largest carbon dioxide emitter and about 80% of China's carbon dioxide emissions come from burning coal. Over 50% of China's coal consumption is used for electricity generation (the rest is used for industrial fuel and chemical feedstock), and over 70% of the electricity is used for industrial production.
Heaviest rain in years floods southwest Queensland
Brett Dutschke, Monday February 1, 2010 - 11:30 EDT

Parts of southwest Queensland, including Charleville have had their heaviest rain in years, with in excess of 100 millimetres falling in the last 24 hours.

Since 9am Sunday the Warrego has had widespread 50 to 100mm leading to flooding.

Charleville gained 114mm, their highest 24-hour total in 16 years.

Nearby, The 27 Mile Garden picked up 100mm, an eight-year high and Raceview 105mm, a two-year high. Binnowee and Augathella are also awash with more than 120mm and 70mm respectively.

In the next 24 hours or so rain will ease in the area as the remnants of Tropical Cyclone Olga takes the heaviest falls further southwest.

Rain is developing in northwestern New South Wales and northeastern South Australia and will spread south before the system weakens and rain clears later in the week.

By about Friday northwestern NSW east of about Walgett and north of about Cobar and Wilcannia should have 50 to 100mmm.

Much of this rain is and will be falling in the Murray-Darling catchment which will give the Menindee Lakes and possibly SA another boost.

Ex-Tropical Cyclone Laurence dumped heavy rain in the northern part of the basin just after Christmas which benefited SA's water supply.

- Weatherzone
Perth swelters through January
Monday February 1, 2010 - 10:18 EDT

Perth has recorded its second hottest January ever.

The average temperature for the month was 33.5 degrees, the record from 1962 is 34.5 degrees.

Luke Huntington from the Weather Bureau says it hasn't rained in Perth for more than 70 days, nearing the record for the longest dry-spell ever.

"Running at about 72 days without rain so far," he said.

"We recorded rain back in the 20th of November last year and it looks like the record is about 83 days and there's no rain on the horizon so we should be able to break the record, I reckon."

- ABC
Canberra suffers through its equal hottest January on record
Press Release, Monday February 1, 2010 - 10:52 EDT

After what was already a sweaty start to the summer, Canberra has now just suffered through its equal hottest January in 70 years of records, according to weatherzone.com.au.

Australia’s capital city saw the mercury average 32 degrees for maximum temperatures, four above the norm, a feat equalled only once in Canberra’s records, in 1979. On top of this, Canberra has had four days where the temperature peaked above 38 degrees. The last time this happened was in 1952.

Minimum temperatures were also unusually high this month, with an average of 16 degrees, the warmest in 10 years.

Meteorologist for weatherzone.com.au Samuel Terry helped to shed some light on why Canberra was so hot.

“Across the ACT fresh west to north-westerly winds dominated last month, pushing in all the hot air that’s been brewing over the New South Wales interior. This, in combination with a lack of significant cold fronts, has really helped to keep temperatures right up.”

Rainfall was also an issue last month, with the city only collecting 7 millimetres, as compared to the average 59 millimetres. This makes it the driest January in a quarter of a century.

“The fact that Canberra has had only three days of rain this year is an indication of the severe lack of rain-bearing systems,” Terry said. “It is likely that the current El Nino set-up is having some effect too, causing a lack of moisture in-flow over eastern Australia.”

“The good news is that Canberra will finally receive some good rain over the next week as left-over moisture from Tropical Cyclone Olga makes its way south.”

- Weatherzone
Oss you have a point. But when did they planed those coal plants? We can asume that they will likly shut them down if they can replace those with alternatives.

China has huge problems from environment pollution.

The World's Biggest Green Energy Projects: This month China announced it would build a 2000 MW solar thermal proje....
http://twitter.com/solarthermalmag/statuses/8402408181

Gov't to invest 12 bln yuan in rural environment protection
http://www.china.org.cn/environment/2010-01/29/content_19327530.htm

US can only counter with meassures compared to teh moon program.
Thanks for the updates Aussie, it's appriciated.
Quoting drg0dOwnCountry:
Oss you have a point. But when did they planed those coal plants? We can asume that they will likly shut them down if they can replace those with alternatives.

China has huge problems from environment pollution.

The World's Biggest Green Energy Projects: This month China announced it would build a 2000 MW solar thermal proje....
http://twitter.com/solarthermalmag/statuses/8402408181

Gov't to invest 12 bln yuan in rural environment protection
http://www.china.org.cn/environment/2010-01/29/content_19327530.htm

US can only counter with meassures compared to teh moon program.


How many wind turbines do you think it takes to replace a power plant in the best conditions? Consider the effective wind rates would be there 25% of the time in the best case scenario. Don't get me wrong, I am all for alternatives, but none are even close to being a replacement at this point.

BTW, the answer is 1,700 (big) turbines :)

My apologies to the blog also. I was not going to go GW again here today. I just have a hard time with the mantra some continue with over and over with a crisis pitch. It ain't so folks. That becomes more apparent everyday. Out>
China Announces the World’s Largest Solar Plant
http://www.inhabitat.com/2009/01/06/china-announces-worlds-largest-solar-plant/

China is set to smash its target for a roll-out of solar power by 2020 more than fivefold and possibly even tenfold, a researcher with the National Development and Reform Commission, the economic planning ministry, said on Tuesday.
Under the NDRC's renewable energy plan set out in 2007, China would have 1,800 megawatts of installed solar capacity by 2020.

But Wang Zhongying, assistant director at the NDRC's Energy Research Institute and head of its Renewable Energy Development Center, said the country was likely to far exceed that.

"The goal that we made originally is probably too low," he said at a solar energy conference in Shanghai. "By 2020, we can reach 10,000 MW or more."

He cited an international aspiration for countries to get 1 percent of electricity from solar by 2020, which would mean a target of 40,000 MW for China, which he said was too high.

"China could reach 10,000 MW or higher, maybe 20,000 MW."

He stressed that the forecast was his own opinion and not an official target.

At the end of 2008, solar power capacity attached to the grid was less than 100 MW, or 0.01 percent of China's entire installed capacity.

China is massively dependent on coal, used to generate around 80 percent of its power, but hopes to lessen coal's dominance by using more hydro, wind, nuclear and biomass.
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE5440ZU20090505

China, the world’s second-biggest energy consumer, will invest about 100 billion yuan ($14.6 billion) to more than double its wind power capacity by 2010 from last year, a government official said.

The country’s wind power capacity will rise to 30,000 megawatts from 12,000 megawatts

Government Spending

The government has allocated 210 billion yuan for energy- saving and carbon-reduction projects under its 4 trillion-yuan economic stimulus package, the planning commission said in May.

China is separately drafting a long-term plan to develop renewable energy to replace coal and oil with cleaner-burning fuels. Details will be released “soon,” Han Wenke, head of energy research at the commission, said last month.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601072&sid=aX7usNmOCAIE
So, GeoffreyWPB came up with a spectacular idea!

Go to my blog, pick the team you think will win the Super Bowl. If your team does not win, then you will donate $10 to Portlight! Great way to raise money for Portlight, have fun, and root on your favorite team!

so get to work! My blog
Quoting drg0dOwnCountry:
China Announces the World’s Largest Solar Plant
http://www.inhabitat.com/2009/01/06/china-announces-worlds-largest-solar-plant/

China is set to smash its target for a roll-out of solar power by 2020 more than fivefold and possibly even tenfold, a researcher with the National Development and Reform Commission, the economic planning ministry, said on Tuesday.
Under the NDRC's renewable energy plan set out in 2007, China would have 1,800 megawatts of installed solar capacity by 2020.

But Wang Zhongying, assistant director at the NDRC's Energy Research Institute and head of its Renewable Energy Development Center, said the country was likely to far exceed that.

"The goal that we made originally is probably too low," he said at a solar energy conference in Shanghai. "By 2020, we can reach 10,000 MW or more."

He cited an international aspiration for countries to get 1 percent of electricity from solar by 2020, which would mean a target of 40,000 MW for China, which he said was too high.

"China could reach 10,000 MW or higher, maybe 20,000 MW."

He stressed that the forecast was his own opinion and not an official target.

At the end of 2008, solar power capacity attached to the grid was less than 100 MW, or 0.01 percent of China's entire installed capacity.

China is massively dependent on coal, used to generate around 80 percent of its power, but hopes to lessen coal's dominance by using more hydro, wind, nuclear and biomass.
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE5440ZU20090505

China, the world’s second-biggest energy consumer, will invest about 100 billion yuan ($14.6 billion) to more than double its wind power capacity by 2010 from last year, a government official said.

The country’s wind power capacity will rise to 30,000 megawatts from 12,000 megawatts

Government Spending

The government has allocated 210 billion yuan for energy- saving and carbon-reduction projects under its 4 trillion-yuan economic stimulus package, the planning commission said in May.

China is separately drafting a long-term plan to develop renewable energy to replace coal and oil with cleaner-burning fuels. Details will be released “soon,” Han Wenke, head of energy research at the commission, said last month.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601072&sid=aX7usNmOCAIE


Maybe this can be a new arms war, ala Reagan, except we save and they spend. Win win for the US.

It's a bet, and no less, right now.

I put my money on mother nature.
702. xcool
hi
Quoting xcool:
hi


hey man
Quoting tornadodude:


great, I'm gonna update my blog with the names and who they bet for each time someone decides who they are going for


What a cool idea!! Very nice twist on a football pool, with no actual "betting" on the game, since the proceeds benefit Portlight's relief efforts in Haiti. Tdude, if you have the time, please contact individual blog owners and post this around with their permission. The first one that comes to mind is Pat's...we all know who he's picking!! :)

Geoff - I'm hoping ShelterBox can help now with Portlight's immediate need for tents in Haiti, but I'll make sure they're aware of our ongoing need in future relief efforts. I think they'd be a great long-term partner for us!

OK...I'm in...
706. xcool
hey matt
I am in!
Quoting presslord:
OK...I'm in...


gotcha!

Quoting LongStrangeTrip:


What a cool idea!! Very nice twist on a football pool, with no actual "betting" on the game, since the proceeds benefit Portlight's relief efforts in Haiti. Tdude, if you have the time, please contact individual blog owners and post this around with their permission. The first one that comes to mind is Pat's...we all know who he's picking!! :)

Geoff - I'm hoping ShelterBox can help now with Portlight's immediate need for tents in Haiti, but I'll make sure they're aware of our ongoing need in future relief efforts. I think they'd be a great long-term partner for us!



will do! this should be exciting (:
so here is a repost:

So, GeoffreyWPB came up with a spectacular idea!

Go to my blog, pick the team you think will win the Super Bowl. If your team does not win, then you will donate $10 to Portlight! Great way to raise money for Portlight, have fun, and root on your favorite team!

so get to work! My blog
Renewable energy is helping China complete its economic transformation and achieve "energy security". China rapidly has moved along the path of renewable energy development.[1] About 16 percent of China's electricity came from renewable sources in 2006, led by the world's largest number of hydroelectric generators.[2] Total installations of hydropower reached 145,000 MW in 2007. China has set a target of 190,000 MW for 2010.[3] Technology development and increased amounts of investment in renewable energy technologies and installations has increased markedly throughout the 2000s in China, and investment in renewables is now part of China's economic stimulus strategy.[4] Researchers from Harvard University and Tsinghua University have found that China could meet all of their electricity demands from wind power through 2030
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renewable_energy_in_China
am I gonna get flagged for spamming since I posted it twice ;)
Quoting LongStrangeTrip:


What a cool idea!! Very nice twist on a football pool, with no actual "betting" on the game, since the proceeds benefit Portlight's relief efforts in Haiti. Tdude, if you have the time, please contact individual blog owners and post this around with their permission. The first one that comes to mind is Pat's...we all know who he's picking!! :)

Geoff - I'm hoping ShelterBox can help now with Portlight's immediate need for tents in Haiti, but I'll make sure they're aware of our ongoing need in future relief efforts. I think they'd be a great long-term partner for us!



That's Great! After a crappy day at work...I feel a lot better :)
Quoting Seastep:


Maybe this can be a new arms war, ala Reagan, except we save and they spend. Win win for the US.

It's a bet, and no less, right now.

I put my money on mother nature.
Im very happy with my shares in solar ;)
714. xcool
lmao
Quoting drg0dOwnCountry:
Renewable energy is helping China complete its economic transformation and achieve "energy security". China rapidly has moved along the path of renewable energy development.[1] About 16 percent of China's electricity came from renewable sources in 2006, led by the world's largest number of hydroelectric generators.[2] Total installations of hydropower reached 145,000 MW in 2007. China has set a target of 190,000 MW for 2010.[3] Technology development and increased amounts of investment in renewable energy technologies and installations has increased markedly throughout the 2000s in China, and investment in renewables is now part of China's economic stimulus strategy.[4] Researchers from Harvard University and Tsinghua University have found that China could meet all of their electricity demands from wind power through 2030
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renewable_energy_in_China


Hope it works out for them.
Quoting drg0dOwnCountry:
Im very happy with my shares in solar ;)


Great!
Country...go to Matt's blog and make your Super Bowl prediction. Come on, you have posted quite a bit on here and have been a member for quite a while.
Quoting GeoffreyWPB:
Country...go to Matt's blog and make your Super Bowl prediction. Come on, you have posted quite a bit on here and have been a member for quite a while.
Uh, i have to regret im not so much into sports (beside running). Been to a san diego padres game once - which was quiet cool.
It's for a good cause Country and you have a 50-50 chance. It's $10 which would help out a lot.
Edit: Ooops, wrong window/blog!

ROCK ON, PORTLIGHT!!!!!!
Quoting drg0dOwnCountry:
Uh, i have to regret im not so much into sports (beside running). Been to a san diego padres game once - which was quiet cool.



yup....just flip a coin...pick a team...and you're in...

and, just to help you out...it's really a matter of the Saints...or...well...nobody else...
well I'm off to do some homework, have a goodnight everyone! spread the word!
Looking at satellite data...I'd say easy bet..This month we just had goes down as hottest January recorded yet..



Night Matt and thank you! (:
Howdy, Mr. Paul Timmons.
Anybody got a shower curtain I can hide behind?
Quoting presslord:
Anybody got a shower curtain I can hide behind?


Excuse me? :0.
Quoting Floridano:


Excuse me? :0.


I said ANYBODY GOT A SHOWER CURTAIN I CAN HIDE BEHIND!!
Quoting presslord:
Anybody got a shower curtain I can hide behind?


LOL. Thanks again for the chuckle.

Still chuckling as I type.
Quoting Seastep:


LOL. Thanks again for the chuckle.

Still chuckling as I type.


link ;)
Well somebody thinks this "climate change" stuff bears watching:
The Pentagon will for the first time rank global warming as a destabilising force, adding fuel to conflict and putting US troops at risk around the world, in a major strategy review to be presented to Congress tomorrow. The quadrennial defence review, prepared by the Pentagon to update Congress on its security vision, will direct military planners to keep track of the latest climate science, and to factor global warming into their long term strategic planning.
From the U.K. Guardian
Just throwing this out there as it is slow.

If an ice age is coming, be it 2K or 4K years from now, maybe the plan is to warm as much as possible to extend that.

The history of the earth, to our knowledge, shows clearly that life flourishes between ice ages and struggles tremendously during.

While ice ages have, in fact, been very inhospitable to life, all recorded warm periods (and, yes, including hotter than today and hotter than the worse case scenario predictions) have been teeming with life.

Do you know the grand plan? I don't.
Quoting ycd0108:
Well somebody thinks this "climate change" stuff bears watching:
The Pentagon will for the first time rank global warming as a destabilising force, adding fuel to conflict and putting US troops at risk around the world, in a major strategy review to be presented to Congress tomorrow. The quadrennial defence review, prepared by the Pentagon to update Congress on its security vision, will direct military planners to keep track of the latest climate science, and to factor global warming into their long term strategic planning.
From the U.K. Guardian


It does bear watching, without a doubt.
Shaun & Tim are going to start doing a live WeatherUnderground internet radio show..
Quoting tornadodude:


link ;)


Whose that, Matt?
Quoting AwakeInMaryland:


Yes, please.


Pastor Humor

The pastor entered his donkey in a race and it won. The pastor was so
pleased with the donkey that he entered it in the race again, and it won
again The local paper read:

PASTOR'S ASS OUT FRONT

The Bishop was so upset with this kind of publicity that he ordered the
pastor not to
enter the donkey in another race. The next day, the local paper headline
read:

BISHOP SCRATCHES PASTOR'S ASS

This was too much for the bishop; so he ordered the pastor to get rid of
the
donkey. The pastor decided to give it to a nun in a nearby convent. The
local paper, hearing of the
news, posted the following headline the next day:

NUN HAS BEST ASS IN TOWN

The bishop fainted. He informed the nun that she would have to get rid of
the donkey, so she sold it to a farmer for $10.The next day the paper read:

NUN SELLS ASS FOR $10

This was too much for the bishop, so he ordered the nun to buy back the
donkey and lead it to the plains where it could run wild. The next day the
headlines read:

NUN ANNOUNCES HER ASS IS WILD AND FREE

The bishop was buried the next day. The moral of the story is....being
concerned about public opinion can bring you much grief and misery...and
even shorten your life. So be yourself and enjoy life...
Stop worrying about everyone else's ass and you'll be a lot happier and live
longer!
Quoting presslord:
Anybody got a shower curtain I can hide behind?

just wondering why you want to be behind a shower curtain..... Do you have something to "hide"????

Taco :0)
Skye - I like that. Thanks.
Quoting tornadodude:


link ;)


OUch.... I knew I should not have looked! Back at ya!

With a disclaimer - LoL

Link :)

Note: please see the properties of the picture before you file suit. It's only fair :)
AUSSIE! ROFLMAO! That joke was actually worth waiting all day and evening for!

The moral of the story is....being concerned about public opinion can bring you much grief and misery...and even shorten your life. So be yourself and enjoy life...
Stop worrying about everyone else's ass and you'll be a lot happier and live longer!


And I give you an "AMEN" on that!

Thanks for the perfect end to this day!
Funny Aussie. ROFLMAO.
Is Grothar out of the Country again?
Watching the Grammy's tonight...Guess I'm not that old...Know most of the songs and winners.
Quoting GeoffreyWPB:
Is Grothar out of the Country again?


I got a brief message last week that he was home, but he's been really busy since he speaks so many languages, including the Haitian Creole. He could be anywhere, FL, DC, NY...

Oh, and have you seen the age of music producers?
Sorry, we're old!

ADD: Got your message. Did you send a recipe?
Although the Elton John and Lady Gaga opening gave me the creeps.
I will...called a "Dump Cake". Really easy to make.
Aussie Storm -- that is a great story! Thanks for the laugh.

I've been posting every day or two about the earthquake swarm in Yellowstone -- well, today, the New York Times decided to take a look at what is going on there:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/01/science/01yellowstone.html

Of interest, earlier today, a 2.9 earthquake hit about 30 miles east of the area where the vast majority of quakes have been hitting. This swarm is now the second largest on record in terms of numbers of quakes reported since 1/17 in Yellowstone.
Quoting GeoffreyWPB:
Although the Elton John and Lady Gaga opening gave me the creeps.


The predictably unpredictable Lady Gaga arrived looking like a space-age Tinkerbell with sunflower-yellow, shoulder-length locks. In her right hand Gaga held a giant, chrome-spiked star. She wore an Armani-designed sheer, pink dress ringed with Saturn-like circles.

(Does Astronomy count as weather-related?)

Geoff -- "Dump-Cake"? That could get you banned!

Really, easy to make is good!
Is my cable going out or are they bleeping this guy singing now?
Quoting GeoffreyWPB:
Is my cable going out or are they bleeping this guy singing now?


LOL! With Eminem...bleeping is a good bet.

I had the breaks, too...could be bad audio signal...or not.
Wow...I didn't know "England Dan" passed away last year...One of my favorite songs:

Quoting GeoffreyWPB:
Is my cable going out or are they bleeping this guy singing now?

No your cable is fine they Bleeped him out and with all due respect they could have done the show with out that song....

Taco :0)
Is the climate sensitivity to ozone perturbations enhanced by stratospheric water vapor feedback?
The climate response to a set of idealized ozone perturbations is investigated by integrations with a coupled atmosphere‐ocean model. Although all perturbations, including a homogeneous CO2 increase, induce the same stratosphere adjusted, tropopause radiative forcing, the climate response is quite variable within the set of experiments. Except for an upper tropospheric ozone increase, our model is more sensitive to ozone perturbations than to an equivalent CO2 perturbation. This applies in particular to a lower stratospheric ozone increase. The accompanying changes in the stratospheric water vapor (SWV) distribution are found to impose additional forcings on climate that may well exceed the forcings due to the original perturbations. Without SWV feedback on radiation the climate sensitivity to a lower stratospheric ozone increase draws remarkably near the respective value for equivalent CO2. This emphasizes the crucial role SWV may have in the forcing‐response relationship.
http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2001/2001GL013000.shtml
well I'm out for the night all have a Great evening and will check in tomorrow..... Need to keep a close eye out for the next "Big Winter Freeze"....

Taco :0)
Quoting taco2me61:
well I'm out for the night all have a Great evening and will check in tomorrow..... Need to keep a close eye out for the next "Big Winter Freeze"....

Taco :0)


That narrows it down :)
Freezing Fog Advisory

URGENT - WEATHER MESSAGE
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE FORT WORTH TX
1005 PM CST SUN JAN 31 2010

...AREAS OF FREEZING FOG TO FORM ACROSS NORTH TEXAS AFTER MIDNIGHT
AND THROUGH MID MORNING MORNING...

.CLEARING SKIES HAVE BEGUN TO FINALLY OCCUR ACROSS THE MAJORITY OF
NORTH TEXAS EVENING. THE LIGHT EAST AND SOUTHEAST WINDS...SUB-
FREEZING TEMPERATURES...AND MOIST SOILS FROM PREVIOUS RAINFALL
WILL ALL COMBINE FOR FREEZING FOG TO DEVELOP. WHERE AND HOW
WIDESPREAD ARE UNCERTAIN. HOWEVER...WHERE FREEZING FOG DOES DEVELOP...
LIGHT DEPOSITS OF ICE ARE EXPECTED ON ELEVATED SURFACES SUCH AS
BRIDGES AND OVERPASSES...MAKING TRAVEL HAZARDOUS.

TXZ091>095-100>107-115>123-129>135-141>148-156>162-174-175-011030-
/O.NEW.KFWD.ZF.Y.0001.100201T0600Z-100201T1500Z/
MONTAGUE-COOKE-GRAYSON-FANNIN-LAMAR-YOUNG-JACK-WISE-DENTON-COLLIN-
HUNT-DELTA-HOPKINS-STEPHENS-PALO PINTO-PARKER-TARRANT-DALLAS-
ROCKWALL-KAUFMAN-VAN ZANDT-RAINS-EASTLAND-ERATH-HOOD-SOMERVELL-
JOHNSON-ELLIS-HENDERSON-COMANCHE-MILLS-HAMILTON-BOSQUE-HILL-
NAVARRO-FREESTONE-ANDERSON-LAMPASAS-CORYELL-BELL-MCLENNAN-FALLS-
LIMESTONE-LEON-MILAM-ROBERTSON-
INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...BOWIE...NOCONA...GAINESVILLE...
SHERMAN...DENISON...BONHAM...PARIS...GRAHAM...OLNEY...JACKSBORO...
DECATUR...BRIDGEPORT...DENTON...LEWISVILLE...FLOWER MOUND...
THE COLONY...PLANO...GREENVILLE...COMMERCE...COOPER...
SULPHUR SPRINGS...BRECKENRIDGE...MINERAL WELLS...WEATHERFORD...
BRIAR...FORT WORTH...ARLINGTON...DALLAS...ROCKWALL...TERRELL...
KAUFMAN...FORNEY...WILLS POINT...CANTON...GRAND SALINE...VAN...
EDGEWOOD...EMORY...POINT...EAST TAWAKONI...CISCO...EASTLAND...
RANGER...GORMAN...STEPHENVILLE...DUBLIN...GRANBURY...
OAK TRAIL SHORES...GLEN ROSE...CLEBURNE...BURLESON...WAXAHACHIE...
ENNIS...MIDLOTHIAN...GLENN HEIGHTS...ATHENS...GUN BARREL CITY...
COMANCHE...DE LEON...GOLDTHWAITE...HAMILTON...HICO...CLIFTON...
MERIDIAN...VALLEY MILLS...HILLSBORO...CORSICANA...TEAGUE...
FAIRFIELD...PALESTINE...LAMPASAS...COPPERAS COVE...GATESVILLE...
KILLEEN...TEMPLE...FORT HOOD...WACO...MARLIN...MEXIA...
GROESBECK...BUFFALO...CENTERVILLE...JEWETT...OAKWOOD...CAMERON...
ROCKDALE...HEARNE...FRANKLIN...CALVERT
1005 PM CST SUN JAN 31 2010

...FREEZING FOG ADVISORY IN EFFECT UNTIL 9 AM CST MONDAY...

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN FORT WORTH HAS ISSUED A FREEZING
FOG ADVISORY...WHICH IS IN EFFECT BETWEEN MIDNIGHT AND 9 AM CST
MONDAY.

AREAS OF FOG ARE EXPECTED TO DEVELOP ACROSS THE MAJORITY OF NORTH
TEXAS DURING THE OVERNIGHT. COMBINED WITH EXPECTED SUB-FREEZING
TEMPERATURES...ANY THICKER FOG WILL HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO DEPOSIT
A LIGHT FILM OF ICE ON ELEVATED SURFACES SUCH AS BRIDGES AND
OVERPASSES...RESULTING IN SLICK AREAS AND HAZARDOUS TRAVEL.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

A FREEZING FOG ADVISORY MEANS VISIBILITIES WILL FREQUENTLY BE
REDUCED TO NEAR A MILE OR LESS AT TIMES. IF DRIVING OVERNIGHT OR
EARLY TUESDAY MORNING...SLOW DOWN...USE LOW BEAM HEADLIGHTS...AND
LEAVE PLENTY OF DISTANCE AHEAD OF YOU. BE ALERT FOR ICY SPOTS
ESPECIALLY ON BRIDGES AND OVERPASSES...AS THEY TEND TO BECOME
SLICK QUICKLY.

&&

$$

05/




Time elapsed since the EQ: 2 weeks, 5 days.
Hours worked: just shy of 24/7.
Progress made: Immense!
Small miracles: Countless!

Please donate to Portlight and keep the progress rolling and the miracles coming!!

www.portlight.org

(Sorry, I'm using Google Chrome and the buttons for posting links are "invisible"!!)
Quoting taco2me61:
well I'm out for the night all have a Great evening and will check in tomorrow..... Need to keep a close eye out for the next "Big Winter Freeze"....

Taco :0)


Wow, the next one, phew -- we're going to be dealing with black ice in the morning from yesterday's snowfall -- which was actually lovely here, just a few inches, light and fluffy. Schools are delayed or cancelled.

Good night from me, too.

759. pmagn
The evidence is becoming oppressive...

Pentagon to rank global warming as destabilising force
US defence review says military planners should factor climate change into long-term strategy
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jan/31/pentagon-ranks-global-warming-destabilising-force?showa llcomments=true#end-of-comments
Quoting LongStrangeTrip:
Time elapsed since the EQ: 2 weeks, 5 days.
Hours worked: just shy of 24/7.
Progress made: Immense!
Small miracles: Countless!

Please donate to Portlight and keep the progress rolling and the miracles coming!!

www.portlight.org

(Sorry, I'm using Google Chrome and the buttons for posting links are "invisible"!!)


Firsts posts from that evening:

156. Chucktown 5:08 PM EST on January 12, 2010

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tibat1

tsunami information statement number 1
nws west coast/alaska tsunami warning center palmer ak
603 pm ast tue jan 12 2010

...this tsunami information statement is for puerto rico/ the virgin islands/ the u.s. atlantic and gulf of mexico states/ and eastern canadian provinces...

no warning... no watch and no advisory is in effect for these areas.

evaluation
based on earthquake data and historic tsunami records the earthquake was not sufficient to generate a tsunami damaging to puerto rico/ the virgin islands/ the u.s. atlantic and gulf of mexico coasts/ and eastern canada.

however - earthquakes of this size sometimes generate tsunamis that can be destructive along coasts located in the region of the earthquake epicenter. authorities in the region should be aware of this possibility and take appropriate action.

preliminary earthquake parameters
magnitude - 7.3
time - 1653 est jan 12 2010
1753 ast jan 12 2010
2153 utc jan 12 2010
location - 18.5 north 72.5 west
- haiti region
depth - 21 miles/33 km

162. StSimonsIslandGAGuy 5:24 PM EST on January 12, 2010

Wow--that earthquake is scary! I wonder how many people will be killed in Haiti--the infrastructure there is so poor. :(

There have been some very strong earthquakes on the north side of the Dominican Republic and Puerto Rico that fortunately did not generate ocean crossing tsunamis:

August 4, 1946 Dominican Republic--magnitude 8.0 Lat 19.25 north, Lon 69 W.

I am glad no tsunami is heading this way! But the poor, poor people of Haiti. They just don't get a break!
Intresting comment over from realclimate on this blog post.


I flat out don’t see nor read a ” slow down global warming by 25% between 2000 – 2009″ as per Dr Masters page:

http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/comment.html?entrynum=1421

What I see is less strong El-Ninos for 2001-2009:

http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/psd/people/klaus.wolter/MEI/

Which should affect equatorial surface temperatures more than a cooling in the stratosphere (due to lower RH at the tropopause), by a factor of 5. This 25% cooling equation result doesn’t jive, it would be observed as a disparity at the equator mostly, I calculate equatorial ( GISS data for latitudes 24 North-24 South) surface temperature anomaly of +.30 for 1990-2000 while its +0.44 C for 2001-2009. Dr Solomon needs to explain where this cooling has occurred. If she means its near the Stratosphere, she may be right, yet that doesn’t slow Global Warming, but is as #73 Gavin statement infers part of Global Warming.


See comment 128.
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2010/01/the-wisdom-of-solomon/comment-page-3/#comment s
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Quoting GeoffreyWPB:


Firsts posts from that evening:

156. Chucktown 5:08 PM EST on January 12, 2010

804
wexx22 paaq 122203
tibat1

tsunami information statement number 1
nws west coast/alaska tsunami warning center palmer ak
603 pm ast tue jan 12 2010

...this tsunami information statement is for puerto rico/ the virgin islands/ the u.s. atlantic and gulf of mexico states/ and eastern canadian provinces...

no warning... no watch and no advisory is in effect for these areas.

evaluation
based on earthquake data and historic tsunami records the earthquake was not sufficient to generate a tsunami damaging to puerto rico/ the virgin islands/ the u.s. atlantic and gulf of mexico coasts/ and eastern canada.

however - earthquakes of this size sometimes generate tsunamis that can be destructive along coasts located in the region of the earthquake epicenter. authorities in the region should be aware of this possibility and take appropriate action.

preliminary earthquake parameters
magnitude - 7.3
time - 1653 est jan 12 2010
1753 ast jan 12 2010
2153 utc jan 12 2010
location - 18.5 north 72.5 west
- haiti region
depth - 21 miles/33 km

162. StSimonsIslandGAGuy 5:24 PM EST on January 12, 2010

Wow--that earthquake is scary! I wonder how many people will be killed in Haiti--the infrastructure there is so poor. :(

There have been some very strong earthquakes on the north side of the Dominican Republic and Puerto Rico that fortunately did not generate ocean crossing tsunamis:

August 4, 1946 Dominican Republic--magnitude 8.0 Lat 19.25 north, Lon 69 W.

I am glad no tsunami is heading this way! But the poor, poor people of Haiti. They just don't get a break!



hmm look at the date that date say jan 12th
Quoting pmagn:
The evidence is becoming oppressive...

Pentagon to rank global warming as destabilising force
US defence review says military planners should factor climate change into long-term strategy
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jan/31/pentagon-ranks-global-warming-destabilising-force?showa llcomments=true#end-of-comments


Wow. Even the military is taking this seriously. Not exactly a group of left-wing nutbags.
Hi folks, from Spain!

This is a tropical depression to me...



We are monitoring it progresses in our forum since yesterday.

Link

This kind of interesting lows are appearing frequently in the Eastern Atlantic since VINCE and its friends (GRACE, for example).
Hi All,

Long time lurker here in SW North Dakota.

We recently had days of freezing fog/hoar frost then areas got freezing rain and snow. Many power poles snapped on January 21-22. Hundreds are still without electricity. Take a look at this link from the Slope Electric Coop (SW, near the SD border) of shows pics of some of their downed poles:

Link

I think electric linemen should get medals! There's a report on the Home page about what they're dealing with if you're interested...

Maddy in ND
Got this off from Caza's blog.
well now, that was a fun weekend of a foot of snow...bleh...
Morning, Well they say we could get 1 to 2 inches of rain here with poss 2-4 inches. I'll take it 50 here in z-hills fl.
a href="http://" target="_blank">Link


Ok, another interesting case of convective mesovortex formed from a isolated low... Not a cutoff low. As we say, "Borrasca Fra Aislada", something like "Isolated Cold Low" at surface level.

This is another case of little almost-tropical system to me. And it seems, Eastern Atlantic is the best zone for them in the last few years.
773. IKE
About that eastern Atlantic low....from the latest discussion..."EXPECT THE E ATLANTIC LOW AND FRONTAL
SYSTEM TO MOVE NE TO THE CANARY ISLANDS NEAR 30N19N IN 24 HOURS
WITH SHOWERS."
Florida is in store for a soaking this week. Look at the link below very impressive rainfall totals this week is forecasted.

http://www.hpc.ncep.noaa.gov/qpf/p120i12.gif
Good Evening all, is everyone still laughing from my joke earlier?
G'morning, all!
does anyone have a picture of frozen fog? I would just like to see what it looked like. if you can see it.
Quoting Cazatormentas:


Ok, another interesting case of convective mesovortex formed from a isolated low... Not a cutoff low. As we say, "Borrasca Fr�a Aislada", something like "Isolated Cold Low" at surface level.

This is another case of little almost-tropical system to me. And it seems, Eastern Atlantic is the best zone for them in the last few years.


Very impressive from first glance you would think this is a Sub-Tropical Storm. Very unusual for this time of year. This goes to show that the Atlantic ocean temps are warmer than average. There is 80 degree water that extends into the southern GOM. (Loop Current)
Quoting twhcracker:
does anyone have a picture of frozen fog? I would just like to see what it looked like. if you can see it.


http://images.google.com/images?sourceid=navclient&rlz=1T4GGIK_enUS269US269&q=picture+of+frozen+fog &um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=cd1mS5yLNZGXtge23eCiBg&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CBQQsAQwA A
Quoting twhcracker:
does anyone have a picture of frozen fog? I would just like to see what it looked like. if you can see it.

Quoting twhcracker:
does anyone have a picture of frozen fog? I would just like to see what it looked like. if you can see it.

Qld's drenching continues overnight
Natalie Poyhonen, Monday February 1.

Almost half of Queensland is expected to receive more rain overnight generated by the remnants of ex-tropical cyclone Olga and a monsoon trough.

In fact, the Bureau of Meteorology (BOM) says rain will continue to fall across parts of Queensland for the next couple of days.

In the state's north, heavy rain flooded several homes and two cemeteries in the Torres Strait over the weekend.

In the central-west, the Barcaldine Regional Council says it is having its best rainfall in more than 30 years.

BOM forecaster David Grant says wet weather in the Capricornia Coast has generated significant rainfall.

"The 24 hours to 9am [AEST], we did see totals of upwards of around 270 millimetres in the stretch between Mackay and St Lawrence," he said.

"Olga's now situated through the central-west district around that Longreach sort of area."

The weather system is expected to generate overnight rain in the Darling Downs, Wide Bay and Channel Country.

- ABC
Heavy rain thunders into New South Wales
Martin Palmer, Monday February 1, 2010

Rain and lines of storms have begun tearing through New South Wales, the start of an excellent week of rain.

Only four or five weeks after the Christmas rain bonanza brought about by Ex-Tropical Cyclone Lawrence, another deluge has begun. This time it is being delivered by what was a Coral Sea cyclone, Olga.

The Ex-Cyclone, now a low, has been relentlessly battering southeastern Queensland over the last 24 hours.

Its wrath is now being felt through the southeast. Northeast NSW, for example, has already started to see rainfall pick up as the system meanders southwards.

But, it is over to the west that the fireworks are beginning to fly. The low (Olga), has set up a conveyor belt of strong winds, which have sucked up bucket loads of moisture from the sea off the QLD coast. This moisture is now slamming into what was otherwise a benign inland trough.

As a result of this clash, storm cells are firing right through western NSW. Tibooburra has amassed 14mm in an hour. Broken Hill has grabbed 70km/h gusts. Early warnings though, that some of these storms could bring damaging winds and flash flooding, keep up to date with the latest warnings and forecast rain at weatherzone.com.au

- Weatherzone
About the EATL low. This is interesting
Shows that it has been symmetric warm core before, and might approach that threshold again. SSTs in the area seem marginal to support subtropical cyclone formation.
12P

Quoting AussieStorm:


WOW! That is absolutley beautiful!
Earthquake Details

Magnitude
4.8
Date-Time
Monday, February 01, 2010 at 14:19:54 UTC
Monday, February 01, 2010 at 06:19:54 AM at epicenter
Location
32.344N, 117.260W
Depth
6.9 km (4.3 miles) (poorly constrained)
Region
OFFSHORE BAJA CALIFORNIA, MEXICO
Distances
22 km (14 miles) W (274) from Rosarito, Baja California, Mexico
26 km (16 miles) WSW (246) from La Joya, Baja California, Mexico
29 km (18 miles) SSW (207) from Imperial Beach, CA
31 km (19 miles) SW (228) from Tijuana, Baja California, Mexico
Location Uncertainty
horizontal /- 10.1 km (6.3 miles); depth /- 19.9 km (12.4 miles)
Parameters
Nph= 13, Dmin=43 km, Rmss=0.3 sec, Gp=306,
M-type=local magnitude (ML), Version=1
Source
California Integrated Seismic Net:
USGS Caltech CGS UCB UCSD UNR
Event ID
ci10537093
Good Morning!

I was hoping for a negative feedback loop like this potential water vapor link. It also goes with the good news that a positive feedback loop is weaker than predicted.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8483722.stm
The Ozone layer is in the lower stratosphere, where does that fall relative to the cold point? I don't have the psi/mb conversion.
Quoting HurricaneHunterGal:

WOW! That is absolutley beautiful!


no kiddin. it is incredible
Quoting twhcracker:


no kiddin. it is incredible

just google it
NASA Releases First Free E-Book, on History of X-15 Rocket Plane

NASA continues to stay ahead of the government pack when it comes to public outreach. In addition to its many popular Twitter streams, iPhone apps and opportunities for citizens to participate in scientific programs, the agency is jumping into the e-book space.

For space geeks looking for a little e-reading this weekend, NASA recently added an e-book section to its publications list and rolled out the first free title for the Kindle and Sony Reader, a history of the x-15 hypersonic test aircraft.

More titles are on the way. The agency already has plenty of technical papers, presentations, case studies and other publications on its website that could eventually land in your e-reader.
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2010/01/nasa-e-books/
793. IKE
NEW BLOG!
Good Morning.......Went to the Tallahassee NWS Weatherfest with the kids on Saturday. Did not know if any Wunderbloggers were there but it was a good time. Small crowd but the Lectures were interesting and very nice staff and mets at the Office who were willing to answer any questions. I finally figured out how to read all of the different data/color codes on the Doppler Radar images based upon the radar return signals.
WSI, a private forecasting company, and the Tropical Meteorology Project of Colorado State University (CSU) have both issued early season projections of more storms than last year -- and more storms than an average tropical season.

WSI is forecasting 13 named storms (tropical storms and hurricanes), including seven hurricanes, and three major hurricanes. A major hurricane is considered one of category 3 or higher, which is a storm with a sustained wind of at least 131 mph. CSU is forecasting 11 to 16 named storms, including six to eight hurricanes and three to five major hurricanes. The 50-year average is 9.6 named storms, 5.9 hurricanes, and 2.3 major hurricanes per year.
Quoting Seastep:


Hope it works out for them.


"led by the world's largest number of hydroelectric generators."

Too bad they are going to pay for that in lost wetlands, ecosystems, and coastal erosion. Every dam on a river removes sediment that would have been naturally deposited in a coastal river delta. (For example, Louisiana's wetland problem is partly due to dams on tributaries of the Mississippi. Old man river is carrying about half of the sediment load down here that it used to.)

I guess we should call that athropogenic wetland sediment depletion...AWSD ?
Urgent Need for Haiti Relief: Wheels on the Ground

At the port of Jacksonville, Fla., a shipment of around 250 Army vehicles is supposed to be loaded this afternoon onto a contract barge, bound for Port-au-Prince. If all goes to plan, the shipment will provide much-needed mobility for relief operations in Haiti.

In a conference call this morning, Col. Ken Dyer said the Army had shipped the vehicles by rail from Fort Bragg, N.C. to supplement equipment that had been airlifted to support soldiers already on the ground in Haiti. Troops of the 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 82nd Airborne Division, began flying to Haiti to support disaster relief around two weeks ago, but some of their transport still has to arrive by sea.
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2010/01/urgent-need-for-haiti-relief-wheels-on-the-ground/
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