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Stimulus bill includes big money for science

By: Dr. Jeff Masters, 2:17 PM GMT on February 25, 2009

The $789 billion stimulus package passed by Congress and signed into law on February 13 gives some $21.5 billion for scientific research and development across all agencies, according to the American Association for the Advancement of Science. "The stimulus package is a singular event in the history of science funding," said John Marburger, former presidential science adviser and head of the Office of Science and Technology Policy under George W. Bush. Indeed, the coming year will be a good year to be a graduate student. The extra $3 billion given to the National Science Foundation will go to fund a wide variety of scientific research at universities.

According to an article in last week's Nature magazine, here is a breakdown on who gets what among the government's scientific agencies:

National Science Foundation
Stimulus: $3 billion
2008 budget: $6.1 billion

Highlights: $2.5 billion will go towards external research grants, including $300 million for instrumentation. A separate allowance of $400 million will go to construction of major facilities.

Department of Energy
Stimulus: About $40 billion
2008 budget: $23.9 billion

Highlights: Includes $11 billion for the electric grid, $5 billion for weatherproofing homes, $3.4 billion for fossil energy R&D and $2 billion for battery research. The Office of Science, which funds basic research, receives $1.6 billion. A separate $400 million will kick-start the Advanced Research Projects Agency-Energy.

NASA
Stimulus: $1 billion
2008 budget: $17.2 billion

Highlights: $400 million for science. The joint House-Senate Conference report specifies that "Funding is included herein to accelerate the development of the tier 1 set of Earth science climate research missions recommended by the National Academies Decadal Survey and to increase the agency's supercomputing capabilities". Another $400 million could be spent on rocket development to shrink a "gap" in human spaceflight capability caused by retirement of the space shuttle.

The bill also specifies, "The conference agreement includes $50,000,000 for cross agency support. In allocating these funds, NASA shall give its highest priority to restore NASA-owned facilities damaged from hurricanes and other natural disasters occurring during calendar year 2008."

It is uncertain whether NASA will try to replace the Orbiting Carbon Observatory (OCO) satellite, which crashed into the ocean near Antarctica yesterday when the satellite failed to separate from its booster rocket. The Orbiting Carbon Observatory would have been a big help in determining how CO2 cycles between the atmosphere, ocean, and biosphere. Fortunately, the Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency (JAXA) successfully launched a related satellite, the Greenhouse Gases Observing Satellite IBUKI (GOSAT), on January 23. GOSAT focuses primarily on carbon dioxide and methane sources.

National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA)
Stimulus: $830 million
2008 budget: $3.9 billion

Highlights:
The joint House-Senate Conference report specifies that "$600,000,000 should be spent for construction and repair of NOAA facilities, ships and equipment, to improve weather forecasting and to support satellite development. Of the amounts provided, $170,000,000 shall address critical gaps in climate modeling and establish climate data records for continuing research into the cause, effects and ways to mitigate climate change."

National Institutes of Health
Stimulus: $10 billion
2008 budget: $29.6 billion

National Institute of Standards and Technology
Stimulus: $580 million
2008 budget: $737 million

The money must be spent quickly
Agencies have 60 days to present spending plans to the White House. The money must be spent quickly, with most of the spending required to be completed by September 30, 2010. There is no money earmarked for hurricane science, but the $600 million in NOAA's slice of the pie to help support satellite development could go towards a new QuikSCAT satellite, which would be a big help for marine forecasts and our ability to detect developing tropical storms. The main area hurricane science could use some stimulus money is for basic research into the hurricane intensification problem. I hope NOAA, NASA, and NSF see fit to spend part of the windfall on the people and computers needed to tackle this vital need. I'll have more on the subject of hurricane research progress and needs next week, when I'll be blogging from the 63rd Interdepartmental Hurricane Conference in Tampa, Florida.

You can find the full text of the stimulus bill at the White House web site.

Jeff Masters

Politics

The views of the author are his/her own and do not necessarily represent the position of The Weather Company or its parent, IBM.

Reader Comments

Highlights:
The joint House-Senate Conference report specifies that "$600,000,000 should be spent for construction and repair of NOAA facilities, ships and equipment, to improve weather forecasting and to support satellite development.


Copy that...!

NOAA FY 2007 Blue Book (Budget Summary) Link

The Quikscat replacement satellite plan could be off and running quickly once submitted.

I believe the program is basically written up and ready to go isn't it Doctor?

Now that funding is available all it would take is for NOAA to designate the amount needed and off we go!

at last a blog that dos not have any thing to do with GW
Quoting vortfix:
The Quikscat replacement satellite plan could be off and running quickly once submitted.

I believe the program is basically written up and ready to go isn't it Doctor?

Now that funding is available all it would take is for NOAA to designate the amount needed and off we go!



I see this as partial vindication of the former NHC director.
This will be one of the best adminastrations for science based research and america will lead the world ONCE MORE!!!!,I'll be looking for a 500 point gain ATLEAST today from the dow!!!what a speach last night,lets see how much was just talk,we need action...
Quoting Tazmanian:
at last a blog that dos not have any thing to do with GW

Apparently you didn't read it too closely:
It is uncertain whether NASA will try to replace the Orbiting Carbon Observatory (OCO) satellite, which crashed into the ocean near Antarctica yesterday when the satellite failed to separate from its booster rocket. The Orbiting Carbon Observatory would have been a big help in determining how CO2 cycles between the atmosphere, ocean, and biosphere.


Hopefully some of the money can be used to replace that lose.
Quoting vortfix:
The Quikscat replacement satellite plan could be off and running quickly once submitted.

I believe the program is basically written up and ready to go isn't it Doctor?

Now that funding is available all it would take is for NOAA to designate the amount needed and off we go!



One of the latest proposals is included in the Abstracts Booklet for the 63rd IHC

To move toward an operational satellite OSVW capability that will meet NOAA’s operational needs, NOAA and NASA JPL are exploring a partnership with the Japanese Space Agency (JAXA) to fly a Dual Frequency Scatterometer (DFS) onboard the second mission in the JAXA GCOM-Water cycle (GCOM-W) series, currently scheduled to launch in 2016. With this launch date, funding must begin in FY2011 to meet JAXA-imposed deadlines for instrument delivery.

LOTS of information in that abstracts booklet.
If your reading Doc,There are alot of people on here from SWFL and I would like to know when and where(exact location) is the conference,I would love to attend!!!Is it open to the public???and if not,any way of getting me a ticket,I'd surely meet up with you and I would really enjoy the experience for sure!!!PLEASE LET ME KNOW!!,thanks as always doc.....I wonder who'll play the joker this year in the tropics????...lol...
Where in the heck has stormW been???????
Quoting streamtracker:

Apparently you didn't read it too closely:

It is uncertain whether NASA will try to replace the Orbiting Carbon Observatory (OCO) satellite, which crashed into the ocean near Antarctica yesterday when the satellite failed to separate from its booster rocket. The Orbiting Carbon Observatory would have been a big help in determining how CO2 cycles between the atmosphere, ocean, and biosphere.


Hopefully some of the money can be used to replace that lose.




i do no how to read


and like i saifd for the 1st time in a long time we have a blog that dos not talk about GW
This is from a 2007 USA Today article:



Hurricane satellite could fail anytime; plans to launch replacement delayed until 2016

Even if money were immediately available, a replacement satellite is estimated to take at least four years and cost approximately $400 million to build. The AP first reported those estimates in a March interview with Proenza, one of the loudest voices calling for a replacement satellite.

A NASA and Department of Defense satellite called WINDSAT also measures wind speed and direction, but it too is beyond its expected lifespan, and scientists have had trouble using it to observe tropical weather systems.

That's a problem because NOAA intended QuikScat's replacement to be modeled on WINDSAT.

A replacement for QuikScat was originally scheduled to launch in 2009. Lautenbacher would not give a date for that flight in the letter, but other officials have said it is scheduled to launch in 2016.

The satellite's final form is still undetermined, but Knabb said the design does not currently feature technology comparable to QuikScat. He said the satellite's data will not be particularly helpful for hurricanes.

"When we need the data the most is when it's not going to perform very well — inside a tropical cyclone," Knabb said.

Link
63rd Interdepartmental Hurricane Conference ,Tampa ,Fla.Link



About the Conference


The Office of the Federal Coordinator for Meteorological Services and Supporting Research (OFCM) annually hosts the Interdepartmental Hurricane Conference (IHC) to educate attendees on the status and future plans of the Nations hurricane forecast and warning program. Additionally, the IHC provides a forum for the responsible Federal agencies, together with representatives of the user communities such as emergency management, to review the Nation's hurricane forecast and warning program and to make recommendations on how to improve the program in the future. The major objective is to plan and prepare for the upcoming hurricane season. New procedures, procedural changes, and agreements, which are approved at the conference and are directly related to the provision of tropical cyclone forecast and warning services, are then documented for implementation in the National Hurricane Operations Plan, which is published annually.

Conference Format
The conference will be held at the Hilton St. Petersburg Bayfront, St. Petersburg, Florida, from Monday, March 2, through Thursday, March 5, 2009. The theme for this years conference is Focusing Tropical Cyclone Research on Operations. The following provides an initial look at the planned activities for the week:

Monday morning, the Working Group for Hurricane and Winter Storm Operations will meet to work IHC action items and changes to the National Hurricane Operations Plan (NHOP).

The conference officially begins Monday afternoon. The afternoons agenda will include a keynote address; a panel discussion of senior leaders providing their perspective on tropical cyclone research priorities; the introduction of the federal agency lead representatives; and a review of the 2008 hurricane/typhoon season from both an operations and reconnaissance perspective.
National Hurricane Operations Plan

PDF:Link
Quoting captainhunter:


I see this as partial vindication of the former NHC director.


me too! now let's hope we get a quick scat out of this.

Glad to see support of NASA,Dept of Energy & NOAA -- I have a future engineer in the house.... full of bright, fresh new ideas and a quest for new knowledge......... full of hope,positive thinking, and BRAINS for a better future and a desire to help our planet.

Investing in these programs will give the students of today motivation to pursue their dreams and aspirations to help make our planet a better, cleaner, safer place to live.



What the $600m is going to be spent on is fairly straightforward. The $170m for modeling and gathering data is hazy though. That is a lot of money to be spending to figure out how many ways we can measure that coal fired power plants are the primary human contributor to global warming.

Just for reference though, the price tag on most powerful computer in the world right now stands about $100m, and costs tens of millions a year to run in just electricity...would be a bit ironic if they hooked some new supercomputer up to a grid powered by a coal plant wouldn't it?

Agencies have 60 days to present spending plans to the White House


I am hopeful the plans are scrutinized thoroughly so as not have the wasteful spending as we have seen in the past. It is our money, or debt, they are spending.
400 million is a big bite out of that 600 million stimulus package for NOAA.

I would think the cost of a replacement satellite has risen since 2007.


Press Release:

Klein Joins House, Senate, in Introducing Bill to Replace Deteriorating
Hurricane Tracking Satellite


May 29, 2007

Washington, DC -- Concerned that the most accurate hurricane tracking satellite is in danger of falling into disrepair, U.S. Rep. Ron Klein joined Rep. Charlie Melancon (D-LA) today in introducing the Improved Hurricane Tracking and Forecasting Act of 2007. This bill would authorize the necessary NASA funding to design and launch a replacement satellite for QuikSCAT. A companion bill was introduced in the Senate by Sen's Mary Landrieau (D-LA), Bill Nelson (D-FL), Mel Martinez (R-FL), and John Kerry (D-MA).

Link



Improved Hurricane Tracking and Forecasting Act of 2007

This bill never became law. This bill was proposed in a previous session of Congress. Sessions of Congress last two years, and at the end of each session all proposed bills and resolutions that haven't passed are cleared from the books.

Link
Vort -- so I am filled with wishful thinking?
Quoting stillwaiting:
This will be one of the best adminastrations for science based research and america will lead the world ONCE MORE!!!!,I'll be looking for a 500 point gain ATLEAST today from the dow!!!what a speach last night,lets see how much was just talk,we need action...

DJIA
-151.57
-2.06%
Quoting conchygirl:

DJIA
-151.57
-2.06%


Obviously some of us heard different things from the speach last night. The math does not add up and the markets are responding to the math and lack of detail. Several items went under the radar to most Americans. Carbon cap/tax would create huge issues for Americans and our industries. Halfing the deficite with tax cuts, just does not add up, in particular with a contracting GDP. A $1,000 electric bill from $200 is not for me. We still toy with the DOW at 6k and that is scary. Check your pensions and 401k plans and see how it likes what is happening. The help we need is green and monetary not punative..
Quoting Ossqss:


Obviously some of us heard different things from the speach last night. The math does not add up and the markets are responding to the math and lack of detail. Several items went under the radar to most Americans. Carbon cap/tax would create huge issues for Americans and our industries. Halfing the deficite with tax cuts, just does not add up, in particular with a contracting GDP. A $1,000 electric bill from $200 is not for me. We still toy with the DOW at 6k and that is scary. Check your pensions and 401k plans and see how it likes what is happening. The help we need is green and monetary not punative..
I am the choir you are preaching to here....I know my 401's are pretty much worthless right now. :)
Vort -- so I am filled with wishful thinking?

Never give up Surfmom...never give up!

Think about this---- \

We as Americans want it cheap and consistent as far as products go. We as stock holders want more return on our investment. We as employees want higher pay and benefits. These thing oppose each other in the world of basic economics. Hence why jobs have moved elsewhere and unions are on the brink of extinction. Change is what we need for sure, but it is still missing in action. We as voters need to push the ones we elected to do the right thing and not foster the ongoing folly of politically motivated spending. Lets hope MR. Geithner has some good words for us right now as I type. We will never give up but may look much different in the future.
About 90 days to the start of hurricane season. My friend is working now on surveys for another evacuation route for SW Florida.
I would imagine more dollars will be earmarked for such projects, particularly aimed toward economically depressed South Florida, in the near future.
Puzzled that the Republican rebuttal focused on Katrina failures...excuse me, but wasn't that a Republican administration?
Anyway, see you all in a few more months!
Quoting Chicklit:
About 90 days to the start of hurricane season. My friend is working now on surveys for another evacuation route for SW Florida.
I would imagine more dollars will be earmarked for such projects, particularly aimed toward economically depressed South Florida, in the near future.
Puzzled that the Republican rebuttal focused on Katrina failures...excuse me, but wasn't that a Republican administration?
Anyway, see you all in a few more months!


I-75 is slated to go to 10 lanes in the near future from 275 south. I sat in on some of the meetings and things look like a go. That would mean folks could safely exceed 100 mph and still negotiate around the older folks doing 20 in the fast lane.
What happens to our economy should we have a huge natural disaster this year? (Cat4 hits major city, long-awaited SoCal earthquake, etc.) Our economy already seems to be teetering on collapse. How could we absorb the destruction of a major disaster?
Quoting natrwalkn:
What happens to our economy should we have a huge natural disaster this year? (Cat4 hits major city, long-awaited SoCal earthquake, etc.) Our economy already seems to be teetering on collapse. How could we absorb the destruction of a major disaster?


Lets just hope it doesn't happen.




Hurricane Preparation Entry...Link
I will leave you all with this --- CUL8R ª¿ª
these sorts of natural disasters frequently have a positive economic impact...I know it's counter-intuitive...but a strong argument can be made .....
There should be a rule.. if a Weather Man says the F or S word near the end of Feb, you should be allowed to shot him.

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I am also trying something new with these link
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35. Inyo
Obama isn't perfect but blaming the stock market's decline on him is kind of silly. Remember, it's been dropping for a while now and has done relatively little of that since he took office. I just hope the stimulus stuff works! Meanwhile, money into science is always a good thing.
Quoting presslord:
these sorts of natural disasters frequently have a positive economic impact...I know it's counter-intuitive...but a strong argument can be made .....


Press, I hope your not talking about the pic on post 32. lol
actually...post 32 is a perfect example...the cow dies, get ground into hamburger...McDonald's sells it...everyone wins...except the cow....
Quoting presslord:
these sorts of natural disasters frequently have a positive economic impact...I know it's counter-intuitive...but a strong argument can be made .....


Forces insurance companies to stimulate the economy?
Back to weather-interesting article
Oceanic seesaw links Northern and Southern hemisphere during abrupt climate change
February 25th, 2009 in Space & Earth science / Earth Sciences

Very large and abrupt changes in temperature recorded over Greenland and across the North Atlantic during the last Ice Age were actually global in extent, according to an international team of researchers led by Cardiff University.

New research, published in the journal Nature today, supports the idea that changes in ocean circulation within the Atlantic played a central role in abrupt climate change on a global scale.

Using a sediment core taken from the seafloor in the South Atlantic, the team were able to create a detailed reconstruction of ocean conditions in the South Atlantic during the final phases of the last ice age.

Dr Stephen Barker, Cardiff University's School of Earth and Ocean Sciences and lead author on the paper, said: "During this period very large and abrupt changes in temperature were observed across the North Atlantic region. However, evidence for the direct transmission of these shifts between the northern and southern hemispheres has so far been lacking".

The new study suggests that abrupt changes in the north were accompanied by equally abrupt but opposite changes in the south. It provides the first concrete evidence of an immediate seesaw connection between the North and South Atlantic. The data shows, for example, that an abrupt cooling in the north would be accompanied by a rapid southerly shift of ocean fronts in the Southern Ocean, followed by more gradual warming across the south.

Dr Barker explains: "The most intuitive way to explain these changes is by varying the strength of ocean circulation in the Atlantic. By weakening the circulation, the heat transported northwards would be retained in the south."

Climate physicist, Dr Gregor Knorr, co-author of the study and now based at the Alfred Wegener Institute in Germany, said: "Our new results agree with climate models that predict a rapid transmission of climate signals between the two hemispheres as a consequence of abrupt changes in ocean circulation."

The study has wide implications for our understanding of abrupt climate change. Dr Ian Hall, School of Earth and Ocean Sciences, said: "While it is unlikely that an abrupt change in climate, related to changes in ocean circulation, will occur in the near future, our results suggest that if such an extreme scenario did occur, its effects could be felt globally within years to decades."

More information: 'Interhemispheric Atlantic seesaw response during the last deglaciation' is published in Nature on 26 February 2009.

Source: Cardiff University
40. HTV
Quoting Inyo:
Obama isn't perfect but blaming the stock market's decline on him is kind of silly. Remember, it's been dropping for a while now and has done relatively little of that since he took office. I just hope the stimulus stuff works! Meanwhile, money into science is always a good thing.

It started to tank when it became evident Mr. Obama was going to be the Democratic nominee.JMHO
41. HTV
Remember, it's been dropping for a while now and has done relatively little of that since he took office.
Yeah only about 1800 points.
when did this blog turn into a presidential debate lol j/k
Quoting HTV:

It started to tank when it became evident Mr. Obama was going to be the Democratic nominee.JMHO


You must watch Fox News.
Quoting natrwalkn:


You must watch Fox News.


My thoughts exactly lmao
The Fundamentals of Baroclinic zones part 1 HD 720p

futuremet....Why must you insist on trying to keep the blog focused on tropical weather?!?!?!?!?!
Groups that helped after hurricane wait for pay Link

Associated Press - February 24, 2009 4:43 PM ET

AUSTIN, Texas (AP) - Six months after Hurricane Ike struck the Texas Gulf Coast, hundreds of small businesses that provided services like transportation and portable toilets are still waiting to be paid.

It's the result of a $134 million dispute between Texas and the federal government.

Because of the delay, small businesses in Texas and elsewhere are struggling. And many of them say the next time a hurricane threatens the region, they might be reluctant to help.

A California company called Central Coast Industries is owed nearly a million dollars for supplying water and portable showers after Ike and the smaller hurricanes Dolly and Gustav.

The president of the company says he's now operating off of his lines of credit. And he says he's glad he secured that credit before the financial crisis hit.

Texas Gov. Rick Perry blames the Federal Emergency Management Agency for the delay.

FEMA has said Texas should pay the businesses, and then seek reimbursement from the federal government.

Copyright 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
Quoting presslord:
futuremet....Why must you insist on trying to keep the blog focused on tropical weather?!?!?!?!?!


To confuse you old timers :)
stir stir stir
hear its been nice out there orca
Presslord

This video tutorial series does not really focus on tropical weather.

This video series is about the rudiments of atmospheric baroclinity. To make sure that my audience comprehend, I divided the video series in to three primary parts

Planetary Scale Baroclinity
Synoptic scale Baroclinity
Mesoscale Scale Baroclinity

The next video will about atmospheric circulation (hadley cell, ferrell cell, polar cell..etc)

Nevertheless, thank you for your interest....for such support is kindle my will to stride and stride for more knowledge on atmospheric sciences.
I need a pencil.

..anyone?


The NHC Knots to MPH chart,slide rule is available too.Link



Link

Here's your pencil...
Quoting Orcasystems:


To confuse you old timers :)


You meant, of course, to say "us" old timers....
futuremet...you do a great job....as long as I'm around, you'll have at least one student....
A Faber Castell...impressive


Tyvm keith,..you have excellent Pencils
Thank you Presslord
I was in a Bar-O-clinic the other day,..and the Dr. Said the Bar was Fine.

I agreed
speaking of "old timers"...I still use them slide rules.

That's why I need good pencils...
Futuremet, can you post a link to all three videos, that I can save?
my wife and son have da flu....and I don't feel so great myself...Might have to go to the Bar-O-Clinic for treatment......
Futuremet does a fine job with those educational productions,...

Many dont know,..but the wunderground has its own YouTUBE channel with lotsa videos from bloggers and folks worldwide.

Check it out Link
It is a series...so far only one video have been added. Initially, I expected this to be a three part video series, however, I got really carried away. As I began working on the project, new ideas started forming...and just could not let these go.

This videos series will be at least 8 videsos, because I will talk about in detail about every aspect of baroclinity. I get carried away too much, even in forecasts lol.

A new video will likely be uploaded this afternoon or tomorrow
Quoting Patrap:
Futuremet does a fine job with those educational productions,...

Many dont know,..but the wunderground has its own YouTUBE channel with lotsa videos from bloggers and folks worldwide.

Check it out Link


Don't forget CycloneOz...he uploaded the best hurricane footage I have seen so far on you tube..Simply amazing.

After watching this video, you may wonder....was this cane really a cat 2?
I'll save 'em one at a time futuremet, thanks.

neat link Pat.
CycloneOz had quite the footage and was a stringer feed for CNN during Dolly I believe.
The NHC has finished with their postseason reports... they have both the EPac and the Atlantic finished... the maps are up... and that possible subtropical storm is not in the database...

here's the official track map:
Great weather here, lovin it!!!!
28 not really a secret now is it
Joint Typhoon Warning Center

Tropical Disturbance Summary (2330z 25FEB)
============================================
an area of convection [95S) near 13.6S 127.1E or 260 nm west-southwest of Darwin. Animated infrared imagery and animated composite radar indicates a low level circulation center is beginning to rapidly consolidate and build deep convection near the center. Upper level analysis indicates the LLCC is under low to moderate vertical wind shear with good outflow. Additionally sea surface temperatures are very favorable for increased development if the LLCC moves across the Kimberly coast into the Indian Ocean.

Maximum sustained surface winds are estimated at 20 to 25 knots and minimum sea level pressure at 1003 mb. The potential for the development of a significant tropical cyclone within the next 24 hours is FAIR.
95S
Can you imagine how much worse we could have been hit by past storms if there were no Caribbean Islands? Just an intresting thought.

Quoting presslord:
my wife and son have da flu....and I don't feel so great myself...Might have to go to the Bar-O-Clinic for treatment......

Just pull out the rum my friend, cures everything... from Flu to Hurricane depression
&2 that would be a disaster Cuba saves us from a cat five near new Orleans
Quoting SevereHurricane:
Can you imagine how much worse we could have been hit by past storms if there were no Caribbean Islands? Just an intresting thought.



I assure you that would have been Hurricane Ernesto if it didn't hit the Islands. Those SST's were hot in 2006.
A lot of things would be different without the islands.

Not sure if we would have a Loop Current or Gulf Stream. The northwest Carribean would not have near the oceanic heat content.
nice pic severehurricane
futuremet i just watched your recent video on your you tube page and i have to say great job on it.
Thanks Hahaguy

Kladdsimon

Great site....just go easy on the advertising

try not to post the same thing 4 times in a row
Friday


Saturday


Saturday 22:00 EDT

Cooler southwesterly winds over TAS and VIC, reaching central NSW. Chance of some isolated storms for inland NSW with a trough. There is a high chance of a cyclone developing off the north WA coast, bringing strong winds and thundery rain to coastal regions.
Issued Thursday 11:36 EDT

Possible TC Gabrielle??
Quoting SevereHurricane:
Can you imagine how much worse we could have been hit by past storms if there were no Caribbean Islands? Just an intresting thought.



That is a very scary thought
Quoting futuremet:
nice pic severehurricane


Thank You FutureMet.
Klad, please don't spam up wunderground with your site. Just recommend it, we're here to discuss weather as well with your site.
my wife had a flu it took a whole week to recover get well all
Sorry for posting it so many times. I'm just trying to get people to join stormgeek. I meant to only post it twice but I kept hitting post instead of preview. i'm new to wunderblog.
Quoting captainhunter:


I see this as partial vindication of the former NHC director.
Problem with past NHC director wasn't dedication to QuikScat; it was ability to interact effectively with forecasters.

But he was right about the satellite, though.
Quoting conchygirl:

DJIA
-151.57
-2.06%
Little that was said last night is going to put money into investors' pockets in the egregiously intense way that the "grind-em into the ground" economics of the last few years have done. Why would they approve?

Also, investors are [wisely] cautious about the viability of the stimulus plan, because they have been massively burned by promises from politicians [though different ones] of late. U are likely to see the DJIA response remain cool until there is concrete evidence that something besides hope is actually being stimulated.

Remember, this stimulus plan is NOT a Wall St. plan; it's designed to stimulate small and medium business first.
Quoting presslord:


You meant, of course, to say "us" old timers....


Now now.. we both know I am much younger then you :)
klad

spam is punishable with a 24 hr ban from site please stop spamming site you posted 4 times i report 4 times simple no exceptions
Quoting hurristat:
The NHC has finished with their postseason reports... they have both the EPac and the Atlantic finished... the maps are up... and that possible subtropical storm is not in the database...

here's the official track map:




yes that possible subtropical storm that is not in the database could be 94L in round 3




see here




round 1

90L be came ARTHUR

91L bust

92L be came BERTHA

93L bust

94L be came DOLLY

95L bust

96L be came CRISTOBAL

97L bust

98L bust

99L bust


round 2

90L bust

91L be came ED

92L be comes Fay

93L bust

94L be comes Gustav

95L be comes HANNA

96L bust

97L be comes IKE

98L bust

99L be comes JOSEPHINE


round 3


90L bust

91L bust

92L bust

93L be comes KYLE

94L bust ???

95L be comes LAURA

96L be comes Marco

97L be comes NANA

98L be comes OMAR

99L be comes TD 16



cant wait too do this come june wounder how many rounds we will do this year
maybe a full four rounds this year taz
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
hear its been nice out there orca


Call for F&S, darn forecasters should be taken out and .....
we made it to 90l of fourth round with letter p
Can anyone help me out a little???,I'll be
going up to NYC in 2 weeks,does anyone have any links to longer term weather trend forcasts,I'm trying to find out if there w/be a deep trough and colder weather or a ridge w/a bit warmer weather????,I'm hoping for a Nor'easter while I'm up there!!!!
its ok orca spring is coming no matter what winter has planned spring will be here soon
hey keep i did not post the hole thing here it is



round 1

90L be came ARTHUR

91L bust

92L be came BERTHA

93L bust

94L be came DOLLY

95L bust

96L be came CRISTOBAL

97L bust

98L bust

99L bust


round 2

90L bust

91L be came ED

92L be comes Fay

93L bust

94L be comes Gustav

95L be comes HANNA

96L bust

97L be comes IKE

98L bust

99L be comes JOSEPHINE


round 3


90L bust

91L bust

92L bust

93L be comes KYLE

94L bust ???

95L be comes LAURA

96L be comes Marco

97L be comes NANA

98L be comes OMAR

99L be comes TD 16


round 4

90L bust

91L bust

92L bust

93L be comes PALOMA

94L bust

95L bust

96L bust

97L ???




dos any one re call what 97L be come in round 4????
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
its ok orca spring is coming no matter what winter has planned spring will here soon


Spring is suppose to be here in January, so we can laugh at you having snow and freezing cold :( I should be planting by now and mowing the lawn
not this year orca maybe next year the heat is coming in the long term by 15 march we should finally start to see above ten degrees thats 50 for friends south of us one last real cold spell that will be it i hope
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Quoting Orcasystems:


Spring is suppose to be here in January, so we can laugh at you having snow and freezing cold :( I should be planting by now and mowing the lawn
Just what I'm saying. Every time the sun comes out and I put the jacket away, here comes another cold front. . . while I'm not ENTHUSIASTIC about the sweltering sweaty moisture of summer, I could do with some days when it stays warm enough all day for me to stay in shirt sleeves . . .
chilly and moist up there orca,are you expecting snow???,the conditions seem right!!!..oh it's 60 degrees down here now!!!
Quoting stillwaiting:
chilly and moist up there orca,are you expecting snow???,the conditions seem right!!!..oh it's 60 degrees down here now!!!


Alright.. thats enough out of you.. yes.. they are calling for F&S tonight :(
Quoting BahaHurican:
Just what I'm saying. Every time the sun comes out and I put the jacket away, here comes another cold front. . . while I'm not ENTHUSIASTIC about the sweltering sweaty moisture of summer, I could do with some days when it stays warm enough all day for me to stay in shirt sleeves . . .


I may have to go and find out where I put the *(^% snow shovel.
Quoting stillwaiting:
Can anyone help me out a little???,I'll be
going up to NYC in 2 weeks,does anyone have any links to longer term weather trend forcasts,I'm trying to find out if there w/be a deep trough and colder weather or a ridge w/a bit warmer weather????,I'm hoping for a Nor'easter while I'm up there!!!!


Forecast is -- cold followed by contiued cold -- then moderating to normal NY weather of cold followed by continued cold and a possible Nor'ester later or earlier in the week. Good luck.
Taz:

94L.INVEST
Best status from NRL: 55kts 1008 MB
94L.INVEST first appeared 2008-09-24, 0645z @ 32.0ºN 75.0ºW.
Special Tropical Disturbance Statement from NHC 2008-09-24, 1402z.
Special Tropical Disturbance Statement from NHC 2008-09-25, 0837z
The shovel.... sooo sorry to hear Orca -- WEll I need RAIN -- we're crispy here.... the lawns look like dry hay -- out east in the pastures lands -- **poof**. Myakka River is way low and the watering holes are less then half full. have to supplement horses and cattle w/hay bails...... nothing green to eat.
Quoting stillwaiting:
Can anyone help me out a little???,I'll be
going up to NYC in 2 weeks,does anyone have any links to longer term weather trend forcasts,I'm trying to find out if there w/be a deep trough and colder weather or a ridge w/a bit warmer weather????,I'm hoping for a Nor'easter while I'm up there!!!!


Are you LOCO??? Just take a swim in the Gulf -- you'll get a rush!
Quoting surfmom:
The shovel.... sooo sorry to hear Orca -- WEll I need RAIN -- we're crispy here.... the lawns look like dry hay -- out east in the pastures lands -- **poof**. Myakka River is way low and the watering holes are less then half full. have to supplement horses and cattle w/hail bails...... nothing green to eat.


Thats not good.. we see pictures of Florida... we think of nothing but swamps/gators/snakes, beaches and old people.

Oh, and brightly painted buildings.
Quoting Orcasystems:


Thats not good.. we see pictures of Florida... we think of nothing but swamps/gators/snakes, beaches and old people.

Oh, and brightly painted buildings.
Old people ....I beg your pardon....obviously you don't know which beaches to go to.....
Quoting Orcasystems:


Thats not good.. we see pictures of Florida... we think of nothing but swamps/gators/snakes, beaches and old people.

Oh, and brightly painted buildings.


Well the old people thing is right lol
SWFL Cold FRont Waves????
Mid week and we still do not have any significant swell to report. Storm track holding in a stagnant pattern, with the next weak front to blow through on Sunday.The front may bring a small log wave with it , but that is probably all she'll have.Warm up continues have a great day! Gulf Temp 61
Seems to me you have to know where to hang around....
I could not find that darn comet Lulin... tried... might have even been looking at it and just didn't know. LowerCal --gives directions --but that's never been my strong suit....following directions
Quoting surfmom:
Old people ....I beg your pardon....obviously you don't know which beaches to go to.....
exactly! LOL
Quoting hahaguy:


Well the old people thing is right lol


I have so much fun when I go to Florida. When I say that you Florida natives think this probally... "TOURIST!". lol Im just guessing though.
Quoting SevereHurricane:


I have so much fun when I go to Florida. When I say that you Florida natives think this probally... "TOURIST!". lol Im just guessing though.


no not really but i agree with surfmom you got to know where to go
Quoting Orcasystems:


I may have to go and find out where I put the *(^% snow shovel.
i though the snow plow driver took it
average age of a resident down here in venice,Fl is 70 years old,so orca,your pretty much spot on about the "old greys"..but not ALL of our buildings are bright colors,just most of them,lol...
i kinda like the sayin

stick'in too ya one more time

lolololol
by the way we got rain and like 7 or 8 degrees coming
Orca the buildings get even brighter when you drunk lmao
fla retirement

funny to built retirement area in a hurricane prone zone ya figure
Florida has brighter sun, beautiful trees, and lots and lots of many different people.

Venice, Sarasota, St. Pete etc is a little older than South Florida - we are such a hodge podge here, there are no "normals"
Quoting zoomiami:
Florida has brighter sun, beautiful trees, and lots and lots of many different people.

Venice, Sarasota, St. Pete etc is a little older than South Florida - we are such a hodge podge here, there are no "normals"


You forgot st lucie county lol
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
fla retirement

funny to built retirement area in a hurricane prone zone ya figure


Adds to the Vacancy rate, Realtors dream.. with the average age so high.. they can sell the same condo 8-10 times in a 10 year period
Quoting zoomiami:
Florida has brighter sun, beautiful trees, and lots and lots of many different people.

Venice, Sarasota, St. Pete etc is a little older than South Florida - we are such a hodge podge here, there are no "normals"

According to surfmom, its a dry tinderbox ready to burst into flame.. with everything grass so dry it hurts to walk on it in bare feet...
the fla dust bowl new event
Florida

Population: 15,982,824
Over 65: 2,807,652

Women over 65: 1,590,975 (Cougar Country)
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
the fla dust bowl new event


Its not nice to pick on my Future Northern Neighbours
whos pickin on fla
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
whos pickin on fla


me lol
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
whos pickin on fla

ROFL, both of us I think :)
Hey.. did some studying.. we can buy in Cuba :)
good prices too huh
Quoting Orcasystems:

ROFL, both of us I think :)
Hey.. did some studying.. we can buy in Cuba :)


I wouldn't mind living in cuba lol . We coudl chill with the castros lol
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
good prices too huh


ROFLMAO, yup and not to many american tourists :)
its all good
Visitors to Florida...Beware of people driving with poof balls or square dance flags on their car antennas...or driver's with those wrap around sunglasses...yikes!!!!!
Quoting GeoffreyWPB:
Visitors to Florida...Beware of people driving with poof balls or square dance flags on their car antennas...or driver's with those wrap around sunglasses...yikes!!!!!


lol, does anyone know what happened to Ivansurvivor who used to be in the blog?
been posted already pal its called spam flagging and bagging too
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
been posted already pal its called spam flagging and bagging too


That must have been a post by the guy I put on ignore, and banned earlier from my blog.. he posted it 4 times in Robs blog also.
ya i seen it on other blogs as well hes spamming whole site
where the Admin when you need them the most
sleeping taz


zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
when the Admin see kladdsimon spaming he be kick off the site for good
more than likly
like all ways



may be its time for some one too send them a nic long e mail
in fac am this about too e mail him right now
they normally take it easy this time of year its as we get back into the action is when they take care of business
this sent WunderBlogAdmin a nic long e mail
keeper yup
Hey,

I haven't seen IvanSurvivor in a couple of months....
Quoting hahaguy:


lol, does anyone know what happened to Ivansurvivor who used to be in the blog?
Tropical Cyclone Warning Center Perth
TROPICAL CYCLONE OUTLOOK
Forecast for area south of 10S between 110E-125E
2:15 PM WDT February 26 2009
=====================================
At midday WDT Thursday a weak tropical low was located near 13.5S 125E, around 200 kilometres west northwest of Kalumburu. The low is expected to move generally southwestwards over the next few days. It is not expected to develop into a cyclone during Thursday or Friday but is likely to develop on Saturday as it moves towards the Pilbara coast. This system is likely to produce significant rainfall in areas of the Pilbara over the weekend. Tropical Cyclone Development Potential
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Friday: Moderate
Saturday: High
Sunday: High


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Tropical Cyclone Warning Center Perth
TROPICAL CYCLONE OUTLOOK
Forecast for area south of 10S between 90E-110E
1:00 PM WDT February 26 2009
=====================================

At midday WDT a low was located near 9S 101E. It is expected to gradually develop further in the following days and drift southeast. The low is likely to reach cyclone intensity over the weekend.

Tropical Cyclone Development Potential
====================================
Friday: Low
Saturday: Moderate
Sunday: High

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Two cyclones at the same time potential in the Indian Ocean east of 90E, not including the hint of another one in the southwest Indian Ocean.

..This blog looks different.. all squeezed.
Tropical Cyclone Warning Center Darwin
Tropical Cyclone Outlook
FORECAST NORTHERN TERRITORY AREA BETWEEN 125E-142E
2:15 pm CST February 26 2009
===============================================

A TROPICAL LOW [1001 hPa] is located in the Timor Sea. At 9am it was near 12.5S 127.0E, or about 420 km west of Darwin and moving towards the west-southwest at about 8 km/h.

The low is expected to continue to move west-southwest near the northern Kimberley coast of WA and is expected to be west of 125E

There are no other significant lows in the Northern Region and Gulf of Carpentaria.

Tropical Cyclone Formation Potential
====================================
Friday: Low
Saturday: Low
Sunday: Low

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  • Potential low is because it is moving out of Darwin's area of responsibility..

    please refer to the TC Outlook for Northwest Australia for further information.
  • 160. Genex
    It's really wonderful to see this administration's commitment to science and technology.
    Tropical Cyclone Warning Center Perth
    Western Australia 110E-125E
    Cyclone Advice #1
    3:50 PM WDT February 26 2009
    =================================

    At 3:00 PM WDT, A TROPICAL LOW [1001 hPa] located at 13.3S 125.0E, or 210 kms west northwest of Kalumburu and 250 kms north northeast of Kuri Bay has 10 minute sustained winds of 25 knots with gusts of 40 knots. The tropical low is reported as moving towards the west-southwest at 8 knots.

    The low is likely to develop into a tropical cyclone on Saturday as it moves to the southwest towards the Pilbara coast. Gales are not expected in coastal areas today or Friday but may develop overnight Saturday or during Sunday.

    Widespread heavy rain is likely in the Pilbara from Saturday evening as the system approaches the Pilbara coast, and significant flooding may result

    Tropcial Cyclone Watch
    =======================
    A Cyclone WATCH has been declared for a developing tropical low for Pilbara coastal areas from Wallal to Exmouth

    Next Tropical Cyclone Advice is at 10:00 PM WDT..
    Quoting stillwaiting:
    This will be one of the best adminastrations for science based research and america will lead the world ONCE MORE!!!!,I'll be looking for a 500 point gain ATLEAST today from the dow!!!what a speach last night,lets see how much was just talk,we need action...


    You might Still Be Waiting for that 500 points. Apparently you don't understand WallStreet after listening to Obama's Speech. It was all about spending, and you think WallStreet likes that. I don't think so. As i said in November, the DOW will drop like a rock, and it has done just that!

    where'd it go?
    Looks like there is potential for SWX in the SE over the weekend. It's a good time of year to check and make sure you have a good WX Radio or some other severe weather notifier service, and that it is in good working order.
    The severe weather potential is on the increase along the upper Gulf coast states and into the SE over the next couple days.
    A "severe outbreak" is likely as this next system evolves.

    If you reside in these areas please stay informed as this event progresses:



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    Morning all... happily we did not get snowed on last night :)

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    This opening gain won't last long...alot of very bad economic news just coming out.....the DOW will loose 300 points today!

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    CWPPRA's Restoration Projects Link


    TROPICAL CYCLONE ADVICE NUMBER 2
    Issued at 10:00 pm WDT on Thursday, 26 February 2009
    BY THE BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
    TROPICAL CYCLONE WARNING CENTRE PERTH

    A Cyclone WATCH continues for a developing tropical low for Pilbara coastal
    areas from Wallal to Exmouth.

    At 9:00 pm WDT a Tropical Low was estimated to be
    320 kilometres west of Kalumburu and
    200 kilometres north northwest of Kuri Bay and
    moving west southwest at 15 kilometres per hour.

    The low is likely to develop into a tropical cyclone on Saturday as it moves to
    the southwest towards the Pilbara coast. Gales are not expected in coastal areas
    on Friday but may develop overnight Saturday or during Sunday.

    Widespread heavy rain is likely in the Pilbara from Saturday evening as the
    system approaches the Pilbara coast, and significant flooding may result.

    Details of Tropical Low at 9:00 pm WDT:
    .Centre located near...... 13.9 degrees South 123.7 degrees East
    .Location accuracy........ within 110 kilometres
    .Recent movement.......... towards the west southwest at 15 kilometres per hour
    .Wind gusts near centre... 75 kilometres per hour
    .Severity category........ below cyclone intensity
    .Central pressure......... 1002 hectoPascals

    Flooding may return to Pilbara
    Thursday February 26, 2009

    Only two weeks after the western Pilbara experienced flooding rain, it appears more is on the way as a tropical low shows signs of developing into a cyclone.

    The low has been tracking west from the Gulf of Carpentaria bringing bursts of heavy showers and storms to the Top End and northern Kimberley. In the last few days places in the Top End have had 50 to 100mm and these sorts of falls are turning up in the northern Kimberley.

    The low, currently off the Kimberley coast is likely to develop into a cyclone in the next day or two and run roughly parallel to the northern WA coastline. This will take heavy rain and storms and strong winds to the Pilbara.

    At this stage the Kimberley's wettest period will be between now and early on the weekend, while the Pilbara's wettest period will be over the weekend and early next week. Parts of the Pilbara are likely to collect 100 to 200 millimetres of rain, particularly in the Port Hedland, Roeburne and Karratha areas. The Kimberley will not be as wet, with mostly less than 100mm likely.

    The low or cyclone should then head further west taking most of the rain with it.

    Some rain should spread over the interior early next week.

    - Weatherzone
    SANTIAGO (Reuters) – Chile's Chaiten volcano, which erupted spectacularly last year, spewed a vast cloud of ash as well as gas and molten rock on Thursday in a partial collapse of its cone, prompting a fresh evacuation.

    Television footage showed a cloud of ash billowing into the sky over the town of Chaiten, which lies about six miles from the crater.

    Authorities evacuated 160 people from the area. Around 7,000 nearby residents were evacuated last year after the volcano, dormant for thousands of years, erupted. The government is planning to relocate the town.

    Officials from Chile's national emergency office, Onemi, flew over the volcano and saw a kilometer-long crack in the cone of ash that has steadily grown in the crater, part of which has collapsed.
    "Large quantities of gases and pyroclastic material were observed," Onemi said in a statement, adding that rains in the area combined with the ash could cause flooding in and around the town of Chaiten, located 760 miles south of the capital Santiago.

    However, while there was a large volume of ash, there had been none of the earth tremors or groaning sounds that accompanied the initial eruption last year, it said.

    Interior Minister Edmundo Perez Yoma ordered all government personnel out of the area, and called on around 30 to 40 civilians who refuse to leave to follow suit.

    "It is dangerous to stay in the area. They must leave," Perez Yoma said. "We have insisted for a long time now that it is completely irresponsible to keep living in the town."

    "If they insist on staying there, they do so at their own risk," he added. "We can't keep risking public money or the lives of public workers to protect a few who don't want to face reality."

    The government insists on moving the entire town. But some residents vow to stay put and are unfazed.

    "I looked up and saw a tremendous column (of ash), just like in the beginning, one-and-a-half kilometers high," Claudio Chelgui, a resident who decided to return to Chaiten despite government warnings, told local radio.

    "I didn't see much because it was overcast, and there was this huge column and fierce sound."

    Emergency officials are exasperated.

    "We have repeatedly said there is a red alert and that people should not be there, and if that had been respected, then police would not be evacuating people," an Onemi official said, asking not to be named.

    He said the volcano has been in a permanent state of eruption since May of last year, when a cloud of debris soared as high as 20 miles into the air. The cloud was kept aloft for weeks by the pressure of constant eruptions, covering towns in neighboring Argentina with volcanic ash.

    Chile's chain of volcanoes, the second-largest in the world after Indonesia, includes some 2,000 -- of which 500 are potentially active.
    Quoting Tazmanian:




    yes that possible subtropical storm that is not in the database could be 94L in round 3
    94L bust ???


    Yes, that's what I was talking about...
    Tampa so far so good on the market
    Going to be an interesting weekend of weather along the east coast and northeast
    what a sight to see last night!!!,I first heard about comet lulin last night,when surfmom mentioned it.So I decided to google it,got onto visualastronomy.com and found a map and some info on where it could be found,after looking for atleast 45minutes from my balcony I finally found saturn with my binculars and then brought out my 6" celestron reflector telescope and indeed confirmed that saturn was saturn(its hard to tell just w/binculars),which is the first part of finding lulin,second I found the sickle shaped constellation(I forgot the name already)...after puting 2 and 2 together I actually located the comet with my NAKED EYE!!!,it appears as a faint fuzzy star high in the SW sky at around midnight,but may be alot more difficult in more populated areas,anyways using my telescope I observed for atleast 30minutes at different apartures....the cool thing about this comet is its speed,you can actually see it moving w/a telescope!!!!second cool thing is it is the comets first time thru our solar system(uh oh!!)...lol,however it is now moving away from us as it made its closest approach on feb 24....happy viewing everyone in darker areas should try and check it out tonight as it quickly fades.....
    oh and way to go to surfmom for mentioning it last night,its been by far the coolest thing I've observed w/my telescope thus far


    stormw:good to see/here from you,great info as usual,I was asking about you the other day,are you going to the hurricane conference????
    Quoting stillwaiting:
    what a sight to see last night!!!,I first heard about comet lulin last night,when surfmom mentioned it.So I decided to google it,got onto visualastronomy.com and found a map and some info on where it could be found,after looking for atleast 45minutes from my balcony I finally found saturn with my binculars and then brought out my 6" celestron reflector telescope and indeed confirmed that saturn was saturn(its hard to tell just w/binculars),which is the first part of finding lulin,second I found the sickle shaped constellation(I forgot the name already)...after puting 2 and 2 together I actually located the comet with my NAKED EYE!!!,it appears as a faint fuzzy star high in the SW sky at around midnight,but may be alot more difficult in more populated areas,anyways using my telescope I observed for atleast 30minutes at different apartures....the cool thing about this comet is its speed,you can actually see it moving w/a telescope!!!!second cool thing is it is the comets first time thru our solar system(uh oh!!)...lol,however it is now moving away from us as it made its closest approach on feb 24....happy viewing everyone in darker areas should try and check it out tonight as it quickly fades.....


    Can you dump us some links to the info. I woulds sure like to dust off my scope and view ittonight if it is still around. Hopefully, SW FL can see it. Thanks
    Wow, it looks like a big rectangle with a triangle in it. Or is that the start button to the video

    I assume this thing is not easy to track since it appears to be moving fast. Does anyone have a good directional link for location of said item.

    J/K
    Just go to visualastronomy.com for info...I'll be on the blog here tonight between 10pm and 12am or so,so whoever is on I'm going to bring out the scope again for viewing and can possibly help those who are trying to find it...
    Sky and Telescope on Finding Lulin Link
    Comet Lulin will be closest to Earth on the night of February 23 into the 24. During that week, it will be near some bright, familiar objects and should be relatively easy to find. Grab a pair of binoculars, a camera or a telescope and see if you can have a look at it!

    Thanks a bunch. I was fortunate to see the Halley's comet in the early 80's while in the mountains of West Virginia. That was absolutely the most amazing thing I have ever see in the sky, aside from the F-16 flying over my house in Bradenton a few years ago and crashing after it hit a small plane. Scary stuff.
    187. GBlet
    Hey Storm, long time no see! Hope things are getting better. Too bad we could not wring any moisture out of the fog this morning That was the most humidity we have seen in months! The wheat crops out west are now under stress. There goes the price of a loaf of bread!
    Quoting TampaSpin:
    This opening gain won't last long...alot of very bad economic news just coming out.....the DOW will loose 300 points today!



    Honestly TS,

    Nothing would suprise me anymore reguarding the Stock Market.
    Good afternoon guys... nice to see you around StormW.
    Quoting Ossqss:
    Thanks a bunch. I was fortunate to see the Halley's comet in the early 80's while in the mountains of West Virginia. That was absolutely the most amazing thing I have ever see in the sky, aside from the F-16 flying over my house in Bradenton a few years ago and crashing after it hit a small plane. Scary stuff.


    Afternoon Folks; I remember Halley's quite well; drove down to a dark bridge at the start of the Florida Keys with the some friends (the Card Sound Bridge)and sat there in awe until sunrise; then kept driving down to the Tiki Bar in Islamorada for the "after-party"...
    Link

    Interesting read on our new budget. I wonder how this will impact the speanding items in the Doc's post. 10 year budget seems to be a far reach.

    The FDIC report comes out within the hour. Mr. Spin may see his number pursuant to that report. Lets hope not.
    I believe NOAA should submit plans to upgrade their stations that measure weather conditions. The COOP program needs BIGTIME attention. The encroachment of development near these stations make the readings INACCURATE at best and downright WRONG at worst.

    There are so many examples of this, they are impossible for me to list in such a small space.
    I would certainly vote for a new quicksat vs. the CO2sat that bit the dust.
    Redoubt is quieter and StormWatch is back-a good day all around. Surfmom I have been looking at the sky with the same results. Thanks for the telescope links everyone.


    Oh Boy!! Looks like the coastal Carolinas may get some snow next week!!
    Glad that science funding is being beefed up!
    Dr. M; I mentioned this issue a few weeks ago, in terms of hoping that funding would not be too slashed for the NOAA Fleet Aircraft used for the Hurricane Season (in addition to the Air Force HH which is probably out of the Air Force budget)....Is maintenance and/or expansion/upgrade of this fleet (some of those Orions are pretty old) "included" in the present "construction and repair of NOAA facilities, ships and equipment, to improve weather forecasting" definition?........Thanks
    Quoting weathermanwannabe:
    Dr. M; I mentioned this issue a few weeks ago, in terms of hoping that funding would not be too slashed for the NOAA Fleet Aircraft used for the Hurricane Season (in addition to the Air Force HH which is probably out of the Air Force budget)....Is maintenance and/or expansion/upgrade of this fleet (some of those Orions are pretty old) "included" in the present "construction and repair of NOAA facilities, ships and equipment, to improve weather forecasting" definition?........Thanks


    From the Abstracts Booklet for the 63rd Interdepartmental Hurricane Conference:

    NOAA Aircraft Operations Center (AOC)
    2008 Seasonal Summary and Future Plans

    AOC continues to upgrade its aircraft and instrumentation, and in 2009 expects to accomplish the following:

     Complete Depot Level Maintenance on one of our WP-3Ds, N42RF
     Complete the installation of the tail Doppler radar on the NOAA G-IV
     Begin testing the new G-IV TDR in storm environment
     Accept delivery of and begin instrument installations on N44RF, NOAA’s 3rd P-3
     Complete Hi-Speed Satellite communications aboard the two current P-3s
     Installation of RVP-8 radar digital signal processor on at least one P-3
     Begin operation of 2nd generation AVAPS dropsonde system
     Begin integration of new aircraft data system (AAMPS)
    199. jeffB
    Quoting Tazmanian:
    SANTIAGO (Reuters) – Chile's Chaiten volcano, which erupted spectacularly last year, spewed a vast cloud of ash as well as gas and molten rock on Thursday in a partial collapse of its cone, prompting a fresh evacuation.
    [...]
    Chile's chain of volcanoes, the second-largest in the world after Indonesia, includes some 2,000 -- of which 500 are potentially active.

    Sounds like it's a good thing they have "something called 'volcano monitoring'"!

    I'm "monitoring" the weather for central NC Sunday night -- looked like the models were trending in an interesting direction, with the possibility of significant snow to cap off two inches of rain earlier in the weekend. We've had a number of snow false alarms already this season; we'll see whether this one's any better founded.
    News alert -- Sarasota Florida wind chill advisory - 79.3 degrees
    Thanks NRT; looking good for the Orion fleet..
    I agree with the volcano monitoring being a good idea, perhaps he just used that so he could follow with the word erupted in his speech? It seems we do have active volcano's in our country, even in the continental portion.
    Western Australia 110E-125E
    =================================

    Tropical Cyclone Advice #3
    ==============================

    At 3:00 AM WDT, A TROPICAL LOW [1002 hPa] located at 14.1S 122.7E, or 250 kms northwest of Kuri Bay and 435 kms north of Broome has 10 minute sustained winds of 25 knots with gusts of 40 knots. The tropical low is reported as moving towards the west-southwest at 9 knots.

    The low is expected to develop into a tropical cyclone on Saturday as it moves to the southwest towards the Pilbara coast. Gales are not expected in coastal areas on Friday but may develop later on Saturday or early Sunday.

    Widespread heavy rain is likely in the Pilbara from Saturday evening as the system approaches the Pilbara coast, and significant flooding may result.

    Tropical Cyclone Watch
    =======================
    A Cyclone WATCH continues for a developing tropical low for Pilbara coastal areas from Wallal to Exmouth

    Next Tropical Cyclone Advice is at 10:00 AM WDT..
    FIJI METEOROLOGICAL SERVICES
    GALE WARNING
    06:00 AM FST FEBRUARY 27 2009
    =====================================

    DEPRESSION [1008HPA] LOCATED NEAR 25S 178.5W AT 261800 UTC SLOW MOVING.

    POSITION FAIR.

    IN AREA NORTH OF 25S: EXPECT NORTHWEST TO NORTHEAST WINDS 25 TO 35 KNOTS WITHIN 30 TO 120 NAUTICAL MILES OF CENTRE IN THE EASTERN SEMICIRCLE.
    I'll run a poll I did for 08 which of these areas will get hit by a devastating hurricane in 09, the last storm to retire that hit the area will be mentioned at the right
    1 Canada (Juan 03)
    2 New England & upper Atlantic states (Bob 1991)
    3 Carolinas (Isabel 03)
    4 Georgia and N Florida (Dora 1964)
    5 Rest of Florida (Wilma 05, unless Fay retires from 08)
    6 GOMex (Ike 08)
    7 Mexico (Dean 07)
    8 Central America (Felix 07)
    9 Jamaica (Dean 07)
    10 Cuba (Ike or Paloma if she retires)
    11 Hispaniola (Noel 07 or Hanna if she retires)
    12 Lesser Antilles (Lenny 1999)
    13 Bermuda and/or Azores (Fabian 03)
    I know I posted this already but no one really responded and there was a new blog plus at the moment the blogs going slow
    March snow in the south?

    From the Tallahassee wx discussion: SUNDAY...WITH UPPER JET BECOMING CUT OFF FROM JET ALONG SE GA COAST
    WITH WRAP AROUND MOISTURE BACK TOWARDS CWA. A FEW SHOWERS (SNOW
    SHOWERS
    ?) EXPECTED MAINLY NE MOST GA COUNTIES. OTHERWISE IN WAKE OF
    FRONT...COLD...BLUSTERY AND GUSTY. WILL UNDERCUT GUIDANCE A FEW
    DEGREES.

    And the Charleston wx discussion:

    ALL SOLUTIONS HOWEVER DO SUGGEST THERE IS A POTENTIAL FOR
    SNOW ACROSS THE ENTIRE FORECAST AREA SUNDAY NIGHT AND MONDAY...AND
    IF THE GFS/CANADIAN SOLUTIONS ARE CORRECT...IT COULD BE AN
    ACCUMULATING SNOW EVENT
    Well, the annual Mardi Gras Snow Skiing season has been a blast...But, it is time to head back to Hurricane Heaven...Sure hope we don't have any storms along the Gulf Coast anymore...A girl can dream can't she????
    Glad you saw Lulin Stillwaiting-- I'm going out now -- I took the "do not touch" binoculars from the Man's Room ...LOL
    Thanks Patrap for the video -- that was really helpful -- helped alot. Lowercal has a great deal of information as well. He's the one that got me started on this. Last night the dog thought I was nuts and a neighbor asked if I was okay.......I was laying down on my driveway --staring up at the sky
    Quoting surfmom:
    Glad you saw Lulin Stillwaiting-- I'm going out now -- I took the "do not touch" binoculars from the Man's Room ...LOL
    Thanks Patrap for the video -- that was really helpful -- helped alot. Lowercal has a great deal of information as well. He's the one that got me started on this. Last night the dog thought I was nuts and a neighbor asked if I was okay.......I was laying down on my driveway --staring up at the sky


    That's too funny surf, did they think you were taking a nap?
    210. beell
    Pretty good info right here on the WU for finding Lulin in the night sky where you live (see comment #66). And a lot more!

    LowerCal's "Casual Astronomy"
    211. beell
    Re 208
    Doh-now I see surfmom!
    Thanks.
    Quoting all4hurricanes:
    I'll run a poll I did for 08 which of these areas will get hit by a devastating hurricane in 09, the last storm to retire that hit the area will be mentioned at the right
    1 Canada (Juan 03)
    2 New England & upper Atlantic states (Bob 1991)
    3 Carolinas (Isabel 03)
    4 Georgia and N Florida (Dora 1964)
    5 Rest of Florida (Wilma 05, unless Fay retires from 08)
    6 GOMex (Ike 08)
    7 Mexico (Dean 07)
    8 Central America (Felix 07)
    9 Jamaica (Dean 07)
    10 Cuba (Ike or Paloma if she retires)
    11 Hispaniola (Noel 07 or Hanna if she retires)
    12 Lesser Antilles (Lenny 1999)
    13 Bermuda and/or Azores (Fabian 03)
    I know I posted this already but no one really responded and there was a new blog plus at the moment the blogs going slow


    Carolinas.
    Quoting CybrTeddy:


    Carolinas.


    My thoughts exactly
    Mission not accomplished -- good for one more attempt.... --I think I need to be in a darker place...... plus.... to be honest, I really do not know my way around up there..... half sea-sick from the binocular wobble.
    215. jeffB
    Quoting surfmom:
    Mission not accomplished -- good for one more attempt.... --I think I need to be in a darker place...... plus.... to be honest, I really do not know my way around up there..... half sea-sick from the binocular wobble.


    If you can, sit in a lawn chair or something, and rest your elbows against your torso while you're holding the binocs. I find that that helps a LOT, at least for things that aren't too high in the sky.
    Hi all, what do you know about carbon sequestration? I have been asked and really dont know much about it.

    I did aquire an interesting stat in my discussion with the science guy and was suprised that our planet would be at a extreem temp without clouds. Do you know the temp?

    How about a guess --

    A - 114 degrees
    B - 154 degrees
    C - 348 degrees

    pardon any spelling errors
    217. jeffB
    Ossgss, I'm at a loss as to what your science guy is thinking. Did he mean "without clouds because there's no surface water"? Or maybe "without clouds because there's no atmosphere"? And is he talking Fahrenheit, Celsius or Kelvin degrees?

    Without knowing more about his assumptions, I'm going to have to go with "none of the above" -- no clouds implies no water, which implies a much weaker greenhouse effect and much COLDER temperatures.
    Quoting Ossqss:
    Hi all, what do you know about carbon sequestration? I have been asked and really dont know much about it.

    I did aquire an interesting stat in my discussion with the science guy and was suprised that our planet would be at a extreem temp without clouds. Do you know the temp?

    How about a guess --

    A - 114 degrees
    B - 154 degrees
    C - 348 degrees

    pardon any spelling errors


    Probally C Because Clouds absorb energy from the sun and produce rain which cools the land and with out them it would be very very very hot.
    Pelsprog, did you get a chance to hook up with Stomy and Koncy. Both had a great Predict!
    Quoting jeffB:
    Ossgss, I'm at a loss as to what your science guy is thinking. Did he mean "without clouds because there's no surface water"? Or maybe "without clouds because there's no atmosphere"? And is he talking Fahrenheit, Celsius or Kelvin degrees?

    Without knowing more about his assumptions, I'm going to have to go with "none of the above" -- no clouds implies no water, which implies a much weaker greenhouse effect and much COLDER temperatures.





    Make your assumptions. No Clouds, with or without water. What do you think?
    Quoting SevereHurricane:


    Probally C Because Clouds absorb energy from the sun and produce rain which cools the land and with out them it would be very very very hot.


    So your choice is C ?
    Quoting jeffB:
    Ossgss, I'm at a loss as to what your science guy is thinking. Did he mean "without clouds because there's no surface water"? Or maybe "without clouds because there's no atmosphere"? And is he talking Fahrenheit, Celsius or Kelvin degrees?

    Without knowing more about his assumptions, I'm going to have to go with "none of the above" -- no clouds implies no water, which implies a much weaker greenhouse effect and much COLDER temperatures.


    Ok, my bad , Fahrenheit.
    Fiji Meteorological Services
    Tropical Disturbance Summary
    9:00 AM FST February 27 2009
    =========================================

    At 21:00 PM UTC, Depression (1008 hPa) locatd at 24.5S 178.3W has 10 minute sustained winds of 25 to 35 knots within 30 to 120 NM of the center in the easterh semi-circle. The depression is reported as moving slowly. Position FAIR based on GOES/visible and recent Quikscat Pass. Sea surface temperatures is around 29C. Global models are not developing the system.

    Potential for this system to develop into a tropical cyclone in the next 24 to 48 hours is LOW
    Does anyone know what ever happened to ivansurvivor who used to be on the blog last yr?
    surfmom:looking South east the first bright object up from the horizon should be saturn,now look above saturn for a sickle shaped constellation on its side,now in between the star in the bottom right side of the sickle and a straight line to saturn is a dim fuzzy looking star thats lulin I'll be setting up the tele here in about 30 minutes or so,I'll be on WU the whole time,give it another look,lulin is acually higher in the sky away from the horizon!!!


    TROPICAL CYCLONE ADVICE NUMBER 4
    Issued at 9:55 am WDT on Friday, 27 February 2009
    BY THE BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
    TROPICAL CYCLONE WARNING CENTRE PERTH

    A Cyclone WATCH continues for a developing tropical low for Pilbara coastal
    areas from Wallal to Exmouth and adjacent inland parts.

    At 9:00 am WDT a Tropical Low was estimated to be
    245 kilometres west northwest of Kuri Bay and
    385 kilometres north of Broome and
    moving west southwest at 14 kilometres per hour.

    The low may develop into a tropical cyclone during Saturday as it moves to the
    southwest towards the Pilbara coast. Gales are not expected in coastal areas
    during Friday but may develop later on Saturday or early Sunday.

    Widespread heavy rain is likely to develop in the Pilbara from Saturday
    afternoon as the system approaches the Pilbara coast, and significant flooding
    may result. Please refer to Flood Watch advices for more information.

    Details of Tropical Low at 9:00 am WDT:
    .Centre located near...... 14.5 degrees South 122.5 degrees East
    .Location accuracy........ within 110 kilometres
    .Recent movement.......... towards the west southwest at 14 kilometres per hour
    .Wind gusts near centre... 75 kilometres per hour
    .Severity category........ below cyclone intensity
    .Central pressure......... 1002 hectoPascals
    Somebody is gonna have a rough day...

    Central Indian Ocean 90E-110E
    =============================================

    TROPICAL LOW near 10.6S 102.8E at 9am WDT Friday about 320 kilometres [170 nautical miles] west of Christmas Island.

    Central Pressure :1004 hectopascals
    Recent movement :near stationary

    Tropical Cyclone Development Potential
    =======================================
    Saturday: Low
    Sunday: High
    Monday: High

    REMARKS - The low is expected to gradually develop further in the following days and drift slowly southeastwards. At this stage, gales are not expected at either Christmas or Cocos Islands within the next 48 hours.
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    I am also trying something new with these link
    Display Current
    Just saw Lulin with binoculars, pretty cool! Wish I had a telescope.
    Anyone have links to forecast models for the potential snowstorm for the Carolinas?
    Tropical Cyclone Advice #5
    ==============================

    At 3:00 PM WDT, A TROPICAL LOW [1002 hPa] located at 15.6S 120.9E, or 385 kms west of Kuri Bay and 295 kms north northwest of Broome has 10 minute sustained winds of 25 knots with gusts of 40 knots. The tropical low is reported as moving towards the southwest at 8 knots.

    Widespread heavy rain is likely to develop in the Pilbara from Saturday afternoon as the system approaches the Pilbara coast, and significant flooding may result. Please refer to Flood Watch advices for more information.

    The low remains weak but may develop into a tropical cyclone as it moves towards the Pilbara coast. Gales are not expected in coastal areas during Friday but may develop late Saturday or early Sunday.

    Tropical Cyclone Watch
    =======================
    A Cyclone WATCH continues for a developing tropical low for Pilbara coastal areas from Wallal to Exmouth

    Next Tropical Cyclone Advice is at 10:00 PM WDT..
    Quoting StSimonsIslandGAGuy:
    March snow in the south?

    From the Tallahassee wx discussion: SUNDAY...WITH UPPER JET BECOMING CUT OFF FROM JET ALONG SE GA COAST
    WITH WRAP AROUND MOISTURE BACK TOWARDS CWA. A FEW SHOWERS (SNOW
    SHOWERS
    ?) EXPECTED MAINLY NE MOST GA COUNTIES. OTHERWISE IN WAKE OF
    FRONT...COLD...BLUSTERY AND GUSTY. WILL UNDERCUT GUIDANCE A FEW
    DEGREES.

    And the Charleston wx discussion:

    ALL SOLUTIONS HOWEVER DO SUGGEST THERE IS A POTENTIAL FOR
    SNOW ACROSS THE ENTIRE FORECAST AREA SUNDAY NIGHT AND MONDAY...AND
    IF THE GFS/CANADIAN SOLUTIONS ARE CORRECT...IT COULD BE AN
    ACCUMULATING SNOW EVENT


    00z nam is more in line with GFS now would be a decent snow event for Charleston area.
    Quoting Ossqss:
    Hi all, what do you know about carbon sequestration? I have been asked and really dont know much about it.

    I did aquire an interesting stat in my discussion with the science guy and was suprised that our planet would be at a extreem temp without clouds. Do you know the temp?

    How about a guess --

    A - 114 degrees
    B - 154 degrees
    C - 348 degrees

    pardon any spelling errors


    Whereabouts on the planet and when?
    Quoting hahaguy:


    My thoughts exactly


    I think you and cyberteddy are right. I'm looking at the outter banks. Hopefully just a fish storm skirting Hatteras and north.
    Looking like a great day - 57 degrees in SRQ
    Good morning!

    An active weekend ahead weatherwise to say the least.
    There is a slight chance of severe weather today across the upper Gulf coast:


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    As this low tracks across the South towards the east coast the severe weather risk will shift into the SE states on Saturday:


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    As if that weren't enough...as the front passes through there is the potential for some snow accumulations as well:


    Photobucket

    HPC day 3 snow chart for at least 4"


    Much more information is available on my blog




    93 Days, and counting. Dang its getting close.
    Before you know it, it will be 31 days.
    Quoting Cotillion:


    Whereabouts on the planet and when?


    I was told that the Earth's temp without any cloud cover to protect it would go up to 348 degrees F. I believe it was a general statement of condition with no specifics.
    Quoting Ossqss:


    I was told that the Earth's temp without any cloud cover to protect it would go up to 348 degrees F. I believe it was a general statement of condition with no specifics.


    It may be correct, though the conditions of where clouds disappear are numerous. There would have to be no water so no evaporation can take place. If there's no water, CO2 and other gases which would have been absorbed by the water would become much more numerous.. and so on. Venus, mark II - not surprised.

    Remember: If we were just 5% closer to the Sun, the Earth would not be habitable. However, we could be slightly beyond even Mars and life could still be on it.

    (Mars' problem boils down to other things, like a weaker gravitational field due to its lesser mass in comparison.)
    The DOW is going to tumble at opening bell......below is the premarket (overnight trading)!

    Dow Jones -139.00 7039.00 2/27 8:23am
    Also i working on my own web site as a back up when WU goes down. Here is the address and it is still under Construction.

    http://tampaspinsweather.webs.com/index.htm
    Quoting TampaSpin:
    The DOW is going to tumble at opening bell......below is the premarket (overnight trading)!

    Dow Jones -139.00 7039.00 2/27 8:23am


    THat 6000 figure is looming. The citi/gov deal and the contracting economy at 6.2% is not going to go over well. If we close below the 7k mark, all bets are off. Get your gun and run for the hills. My problem is, we dont have any hills here aside from overpasses. Hang on folks.
    Quoting Ossqss:


    THat 6000 figure is looming. The citi/gov deal and the contracting economy at 6.2% is not going to go over well. If we close below the 7k mark, all bets are off. Get your gun and run for the hills. My problem is, we dont have any hills here aside from overpasses. Hang on folks.


    I agree 6000 is not out of the question now......today will be a very bumpy ride....it might come back but, if an investor is smart you lay low with interesting bearing account for now....This is about to get very ugly!
    Earth Scan Lab,LSU Link
    Asian Markets loss on average 3% thats about a -275 for the DOW! We will see.

    FTSE 100 -123.21 -3.15%
    XETRA-DAX -143.75 -3.65%
    CAC 40 -81.01 -2.95%
    HANG SENG -83.37 -0.65%
    Quoting Patrap:
    Earth Scan Lab,LSU Link


    Pat that looks like some Severe Weather Coming to the SE.
    Quoting Ossqss:


    THat 6000 figure is looming. The citi/gov deal and the contracting economy at 6.2% is not going to go over well. If we close below the 7k mark, all bets are off. Get your gun and run for the hills. My problem is, we dont have any hills here aside from overpasses. Hang on folks.


    I have to ask, because i find this to be a bit humorous... "If we close below the 7k mark, all bets are off. Get your gun and run for the hills"

    Do you own that much stock? Is it going to effect you and your neighbours that much?

    The only people who are going to be in trouble, are the people who own stock, or put themselves into financially precarious positions themselves (mortgages).

    For a country that prides itself as being the bastion of the free market, there is sure a lot of screaming for the government to come and bail them out when the "free market" makes a much needed correction.

    You can't have it both ways.
    Quoting Orcasystems:


    I have to ask, because i find this to be a bit humorous... "If we close below the 7k mark, all bets are off. Get your gun and run for the hills"

    Do you own that much stock? Is it going to effect you and your neighbours that much?

    The only people who are going to be in trouble, is the people who own stock, or put themselves into financially precarious positions themselves (mortgages).

    For a country that prides itself as being the bastion of the free market, there is sure a lot of screaming for the government to come and bail them out when the "free market" makes a much needed correction.

    You can't have it both ways.


    If you think only those who you reference are only ones in trouble, you obviously have very little knowledge on how things work in this country. You must be a student for if you had a job or pension or retirement plan, you would not think this was so humorous. There is nothing funny about the potential a serious failure of the worlds economic stability. Those who laugh will be the first to cry for help.
    250. JRRP
    New blog!!!
    251. HTV
    Quoting TampaSpin:
    Asian Markets loss on average 3% thats about a -275 for the DOW! We will see.

    FTSE 100 -123.21 -3.15%
    XETRA-DAX -143.75 -3.65%
    CAC 40 -81.01 -2.95%
    HANG SENG -83.37 -0.65%

    I wonder why our markets are more influenced by the Asian Markets rather than ours influencing theirs. Is just because of the Date Line?
    Quoting Ossqss:


    If you think only those who you reference are only ones in trouble, you obviously have very little knowledge on how things work in this country. You must be a student for if you had a job or pension or retirement plan, you would not think this was so humorous. There is nothing funny about the potential a serious failure of the worlds economic stability. Those who laugh will be the first to cry for help.



    Actually.. I am 50 (in a few weeks, but not as old as presslord), I own a couple of business's and I also draw a full military pension.I have private pensions plans, two self directed RRSP. I have a mortgage and 2 vehicles... so yes..I do know how it works.
    Quoting Orcasystems:



    Actually.. I am 50 (in a few weeks, but not as old as presslord), I own a couple of business's and I also draw a full military pension.I have private pensions plans, two self directed RRSP. I have a mortgage and 2 vehicles... so yes..I do know how it works.


    A close in the 6k range will have large phychological implicationsworld wide. The S&P is the one everyone is looking at right now. Like going back in time 30 years from an investment stand point. If things continue, you will see civil unrest and it will not be fun. I am in Florida which has about a year head start on the rest of the country on the downturn. The rest of the states are catching up fast. If you have not fealt the pain, you will in the near term. I hope we can all get out of this pit soon.