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Rare Medicane Hits Malta and Sicily With Tropical Storm-Like Conditions

By: Dr. Jeff Masters, 11:54 PM GMT on November 07, 2014

A rare "Medicane"--a hybrid storm with characteristics of both a tropical storm and an extratropical storm--formed over the South Central Mediterranean Sea on Friday and moved over the island of Malta, bringing them tropical storm-like conditions. Winds at the Luqa, Malta Airport looked suspiciously like what one would observe with a tropical storm passing overhead--a double peak with a near-calm in between, with the pressure falling to 984 mb during the calm. Winds peaked in Malta at 47 mph, gusting to 66 mph, at 6:37 pm local time, and the island was lashed with flooding rains. At least one funnel cloud was also observed. A Personal Weather Station (PWS) on the north coast of Malta recorded sustained winds of 69 mph, gusting to 96 mph, with a minimum pressure of 979 mb. Lampedusa e Linosa, Italy, an island between Malta and Tunisa: sustained at 53 mph, gusting to 84 mph. A PWS on Linosa Island recorded a minimum pressure of 982 mb and wind gust to 61 mph. As of late Friday night, the storm was moving northwards along the east coast of Sicily, Italy, bringing them heavy rain and strong winds.


Figure 1. Radar image of the November 7, 2014 Medicane as the storm passed along the east coast of Sicily, Italy. Sure looks like an eyewall is trying to form. Image credit: Protezionecivile Italy. Other radar images are available from girovaghi.it.


Figure 2. MODIS satellite image of the November 7, 2014 "Medicane" near Malta in the Mediterranean. Image credit: NASA.


Figure 3. Wind damage at Calatabiano along the east coast of Sicily, Italy, from the November 7, 2014 Medicane. Photo credit: Cosimo Manitta.

Is it a hurricane?
Today's Medicane, which has been dubbed "Qendresa I" by the Free University of Berlin, derived part of its energy from last weekend's Nor'easter that brought early snows to portions of the Eastern U.S., according to TWC's Stu Ostro. So, it got its start from a non-tropical storm, but has definitely acquired characteristics of a tropical storm, making it a hybrid. The NHC does not have responsibility for naming storms in the Mediterranean. If they were responsible, there is a good chance that they would have named this Medicane, labeling it a subtropical storm. A radar loop out of the the Malta Airport Metoffice showed the storm appeared to be forming a banded eye-type structure typical of a tropical storm approaching hurricane strength as the storm moved over the island.


Figure 4. Sea Surface Temperatures (SSTs) near Malta are about 23°C (73°F), which is warm enough to support a subtropical storm, but probably not a tropical storm. Ocean temperatures are cooler on the east side of Sicily, about 21°C (70°F.) The coldest waters I've seen an Atlantic tropical storm form in were 22°C during Hurricane Epsilon of 2005. Cool air aloft can offset cold SSTs and create the instability needed to create a Medicane. Image credit: U.S. Navy.

Hurricanes may begin forming in the Mediterranean by 2100
According to research published by Gaertner et al. (2007), an increase in ocean temperatures of 3°C in the Mediterranean by the end of the century could lead to hurricanes forming there. Miguel Angel Gaertner of the University of Castilla-La Mancha in Toledo, Spain, ran 9 different climate models with resolutions of about 50 km and found that some (but not all) of the models simulated hurricanes in the Mediterranean in September by the end of the century, when ocean temperature could reach 30°C.

Though the Mediterranean may start seeing hurricanes by the end of the century, these storms should be rare and relatively short-lived for three reasons:

1) The Mediterranean is quite far north and is subject to strong wind shear from jet stream activity.

2) The waters are shallow, and have relatively low heat content. There is no deep warm water current like the Gulf Stream.

3) The Mediterranean has a lot of large islands and peninsulas poking into it, increasing the chances that a tropical storm would weaken when it encountered land.


Figure 5. The Medicane of January 1995 (dubbed "Celeno") emerged off of the Libyan coast into the central Mediterranean Sea toward the Ionian shoreline of Greece on 13 January as a compact low-pressure area, the precursor low maintained winds reaching up to 108 km/h (67 mph) as it traversed the Ionian Sea, while the German research ship Meteor noted winds of 135 km/h (84 mph). Celeno intensified over waters that were just 16°C (61°F), far below the 26°C threshold usually needed to sustain a tropical storm.


Figure 6. Hybrid subtropical storm of October 8, 1996, off the coast of Italy. According to Reale and Atlas (2001), the storm had characteristics similar to a hurricane, but formed over water of 21.5°C. "The maximum damage due to wind occurred over the Aeolian Islands, at 38.5°N, 15°E, to the northeast of Sicily: assistance for disaster relief was required. Unfortunately, no weather station data were available, but the media reported sheds, roofs and harbor devices destroyed, and houses and electric lines damaged, due to "extremely strong westerly wind." The perfect agreement between the observations at Ustica, the storm scale, the eye-like feature position and the damages over the Aeolian Island reasonably suggest that the hurricane-level intensity of 32 m/s (72 mph) was reached over the Aeolian Islands." A similar hybrid low affected Algeria on 9 - 10 November 2001. This storm produced upwards of 270 mm (10.6") of rain, winds of 33 m/s (74 mph), and killed 737 people near Algiers, mostly from flooding and mud slides. Image credit: Dundee satellite receiving station.

References
Wikipedia has an excellent "Medicane" page.

Gaertner, M. A., D. Jacob, V. Gil, M. Dominguez, E. Padorno, E. Sanchez, and M. Castro (2007), Tropical cyclones over the Mediterranean Sea in climate change simulations,, Geophys. Res. Lett., 34, L14711, doi:10.1029/2007GL029977.

Reale, O., and R. Atlas. 2001: Tropical Cyclone-Like Vortices in the Extratropics: Observational Evidence and Synoptic Analysis, Weather and Forecasting, 16, No. 1, pp. 7-34.


Video 1. Heavy flooding in Malta on November 7, 2014 from the "Medicane." Thanks go to wunderground member barbamz for posting this video in my blog comments, as well as many of the other links.

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Reader Comments

This is a big blow to the ego of the "doomsday preppers":


And now it's global COOLING! Return of Arctic ice cap as it grows by 29% in a year

Some eminent scientists now believe the world is heading for a period of cooling that will not end until the middle of this century – a process that would expose computer forecasts of imminent catastrophic warming as dangerously misleading.

The disclosure comes 11 months after The Mail on Sunday triggered intense political and scientific debate by revealing that global warming has ‘paused’ since the beginning of 1997 – an event that the computer models used by climate experts failed to predict.
thanks for the evening update doc have a geat weekend

cudos to barb and other wunderbloggers from the area posting info during the day here in the blog
Thank you Dr. Masters. I am ready for the winter ahead.
Super blog, Doc... I'm glad I didn't hang up my blogging boots tonight before I read it . . . . [g]

And a toast to barba and stefanik ....
Wow, an update for the Mediterranean storm, thanks Dr. Masters.

Meanwhile seems to be destined to make landfall over the southern Calabria in a couple of hours if the northward motion continues.

Thanks for the new post Dr. Masters,
Thanks for the update! I didn't see anything about the Bering Sea storm. Is it not going to be that bad?
Thanks Doc.. T.S.over the Med looks better than some of our Atlantic hurricanes...
This PWS should be interesting, it's on the southern coast of Calabria and already has sustained wind over 50 km/h with higher gusts, no surface pressure fall for now.
Thanks a lot, very nice blog, and I'm overjoyed you like our European cane creation, lol.
Unfortunately I really have to head to bed now. Here a little gif animation with the low pressure hiking around Sicily:


Source and update: http://www.meteociel.fr/observations-meteo/pressi on.php?region=it#
Really good night now, folks.
Quoting 7. Stormbugn:

Thanks for the update! I didn't see anything about the Bering Sea storm. Is it not going to be that bad?

no one lives in the places where it will be worst. The more populated places will experience bad conditions, but pretty typical conditions of winter there
Thanks dok!
Thanks Doc.
Quoting 1. SLU:

This is a big blow to the ego of the "doomsday preppers":


And now it's global COOLING! Return of Arctic ice cap as it grows by 29% in a year

Some eminent scientists now believe the world is heading for a period of cooling that will not end until the middle of this century %u2013 a process that would expose computer forecasts of imminent catastrophic warming as dangerously misleading.

The disclosure comes 11 months after The Mail on Sunday triggered intense political and scientific debate by revealing that global warming has %u2018paused%u2019 since the beginning of 1997 %u2013 an event that the computer models used by climate experts failed to predict.



Were you aware that we just had out record hottest 12-calendar-month period globally, according to the NCDC? Here's a short video that helps to expose the article that you posted for what it is:

Link
TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
400 PM PST FRI NOV 7 2014

For the eastern North Pacific...east of 140 degrees west longitude:

Shower and thunderstorm activity associated with a low pressure
system located several hundred miles south-southwest of Manzanillo,
Mexico, continues to show signs of organization. Environmental
conditions are expected to be conducive for development of this
disturbance for the next three days or so while it moves generally
northwestward at 10 to 15 mph. After that time, upper-level winds
are expected to become unfavorable for development.
* Formation chance through 48 hours...medium...30 percent.
* Formation chance through 5 days...medium...50 percent.
Quoting SLU:
This is a big blow to the ego of the "doomsday preppers":


And now it's global COOLING! Return of Arctic ice cap as it grows by 29% in a year

The article is over a year old and almost everything in it is a distortion of fact or outright lies. The Daily Mail has never been a scientific organization. At least read what garbage you're reposting so you don't look like a fool.
Thanks for the blog, Dr. Masters.
Quoting 13. help4u:

Planet is cooling,not good for growing crops and we need the energy to keep people warm.Big problem facing us next 20 years or so until pattern switches again.



We just had our record hottest 12-calendar-month period globally, according to the NCDC.
68 at 12:01 a.m. down to 50 by dawn, up to 66 this afternoon and now down to 46 as of 8 p.m. A nice cool day.
TropicalAnalystwx13 any news about barometric pressure records verifying in the Bering Sea storm?
Stuck in a rut, 85F third day in a row.
Indian Hills, Riverside, California (PWS)
Updated: 5:38 PM PST on November 07, 2014
Clear
76.4 °F / 24.7 °C
Clear
Heat Index: 77 °F / 25 °C
Humidity: 22%
Dew Point: 35 °F / 2 °C
Wind: 8.0 mph / 12.9 km/h / 3.6 m/s from the West
Wind Gust: 11.0 mph / 17.7 km/h
Pressure: 29.96 in / 1014 hPa (Rising)
A few more days of this then back to the 70's....
Quoting 21. DonnieBwkGA:

TropicalAnalystwx13 any news about barometric pressure records verifying in the Bering Sea storm?

18z Ocean Prediction Center surface analysis has the storm down to 944mb, with more deepening expected. We'll see what the 0z analysis says.
winter weather coming soon maybe next week
Thanks. Is there anything out there that will actually measure the pressure? An analyzed pressure wouldn't count as a record, would it?
The northern motion is ended

Quoting 25. DonnieBwkGA:

Thanks. Is there anything out there that will actually measure the pressure? An analyzed pressure wouldn't count as a record, would it?

There are a few buoys and stations in the region, but the Bering Bomb won't pass over most of these until its past its peak. An analyzed pressure would count as a record if it falls to or below 925mb.
Plussed comment 13 by accident, not involved in GW arguments, only snow.
Coming Up: Significant Snow for Midwest, Plains
Accompanying a potent Arctic outbreak, the season's first significant snow is on the table for parts of the Plains and Midwest.


How Much Snow?

It is a bit too early to nail down specific snowfall totals in any location. However, the map at right gives a general flavor for what we're expecting.

Background Forecast Snow Potential
Forecast Snow Potential
In general, a roughly east-west swath from far eastern Montana and the Dakotas to Minnesota, Wisconsin and Michigan has the highest potential of seeing six inches or more of snow.

Surrounding that area to the north and south will be lighter amounts, where an inch or more of snow is possible.

Keep in mind, as with most winter storms, this forecast snow footprint could shift a hundred miles or so as new forecast data comes in over the next day or so. Therefore, it's important to monitor for changes in your forecast as we head into the work week.

LOL!!!!!!
Timing

- Sunday: The most significant band of snow will fall from parts of Montana into parts of the Dakotas. A second area of lighter snow may dust parts of the western Great Lakes (Wisconsin and Michigan).

- Monday: Snow, possibly heavy in spots, from the High Plains of Montana and Wyoming into South Dakota, mainly the southern half of Minnesota, northern Iowa, much of Wisconsin and mainly northern Michigan. Some snow may develop late into parts of Colorado (both mountains/foothills and plains), northwest Kansas and Nebraska as the arctic front plunges.

- Tuesday: Snow may persist from southern Minnesota into northern Michigan. Any rain may change to wet snow farther south over Iowa, northern Illinois, southern Wisconsin and northern Indiana.
FWIW, the 18z parallel GFS showed 2m temperatures 65 degrees (F) below average across northern Montana next Wednesday; that translates to highs near or below 0F!


Quoting 1. SLU:

[It's now global cooling because inter-annual variability caused arctic sea ice to be higher in 2013 than in record low 2012]


A) The date of this article is from last year.

B) It's still just as wrong this year as it was last year.
The 2011 Bering Sea storm hit Nome and villages nearby. Went looking for a comparison of this year's Bering Sea storm with 2011, and discovered The Weather Channel's writeup is good in that respect.
Well definied eye open again just offshore Catania, heavy rain and thunderstorms are reported along the coast with minor local flooding caused by the convective band around the eye.

10:00 PM EST on November 07, 2014

Place Alerts Temp. Humidity Pressure Conditions Wind Updated
Bridgeport 39 °F 70% 29.87 in (Rising) Clear West at 6 mph 9:52 PM EST Save
Danbury 37.6 °F 72% 29.88 in (Rising) Clear Calm 9:59 PM EST Save
Groton 40 °F 73% 29.79 in (Rising) Clear NW at 10 mph 8:56 PM EST Save
Hartford 39 °F 60% 29.83 in (Rising) Clear West at 9 mph 9:53 PM EST Save
Meriden 40 °F 58% 29.86 in (Rising) Clear WNW at 10 mph 9:53 PM EST Save
Mystic 41.4 °F 73% 29.79 in (Rising) Clear NW at 4.9 mph 9:59 PM EST Save
New Haven 40.5 °F 64% 29.86 in (Rising) Clear Calm 9:40 PM EST Save
Norwich 39 °F 70% 29.81 in (Rising) Clear Variable at 6 mph 9:52 PM EST Save
Oxford 35.5 °F 73% 29.85 in (Rising) Clear Calm 9:55 PM EST Save
Torrington 36 °F 60% 29.85 in (Rising) Clear NW at 7 mph 9:55 PM EST Save
Waterbury 36 °F 60% 29.85 in (Rising) Clear NW at 7 mph 9:55 PM EST Save
Willimantic 37.2 °F 65% 29.81 in (Rising) Clear NW at 1.7 mph 9:52 PM EST Save
Windsor Locks 38 °F 68% 29.82 in (Rising) Partly Cloudy NW at 14 mph 9:51 PM EST Save
I've always had difficulty accepting the use of "sub tropical" to refer to things originating above (north of) the Tropic of Cancer. The prefix "sub" means "below". Then we have this other meaning referring to a storm that doesn't fully qualify as a tropical storm. Oddities of usage.
0:00 AM UTC statement from JMA. (9:00 AM JST)

STORM WARNING.
DEVELOPING LOW (T1420) 924 HPA
AT 55N 169E SEA EAST OF KAMCHATKA MOVING NORTH NORTHEAST 25 KNOTS
Quoting 31. Climate175:

LOL!!!!!!
Just unreal.


Looks like Nuri will be pumping the Pacific jetstream to a 190 mph maximum south of the Aleutians. That oughta get more storms churning across to the West Coast soon.
There are several individuals who post on this blog whose last words, before succumbing to heat stroke, would be "The Earth is cooling"
Quoting 39. Stefaneik:

Well definied eye open again just offshore Catania, heavy rain and thunderstorms are reported along the coast with minor local flooding caused by the convective band around the eye.




So does this storm have an actual warm core?
Medicane in Malta (Mediterranean) and a hurricane in the Bering Sea off of Alaska?
Sure ... right ...move along nothing to see here.

"On Friday and Saturday, the Aleutians will take the brunt of a post-tropical cyclone, seeded earlier this week by Super Typhoon Nuri. By drawing energy from a particularly powerful polar jet stream, the storm will grow to become roughly the size of Alaska itself, packing wind gusts of up to 100 mph and waves 50 feet high. I don’t know about you, but it’s difficult to imagine myself on a 3-by-4-mile island like Shemya in a storm like that...."
Link post tropical storm is about to grow to the size of Alaska (off of Alaska) in the Bering Sea
This week here in Southeast TX we will be seeing high temps only in the 40s! This winter looks to be very interesting.
Quoting 47. BayFog:



So does this storm have an actual warm core?

According local WRF models yes and had already had since this morning.

This is the MOLOCH forecast for 10 AM this morning and show an evident warm spot in the minimum (16°C surrounded by 6°C/8°C a 850 hPa level).




Same thing at 700 hPa level.




And these are for 03 UTC AM (now are 03:39 UTC) stil showing the warm core.



Wow I'm awed by Mother Nature's Beauty. This is what I live for. We have to come up with a name for this, what do you guys think?





Interesting to see the disparities between the ECMWF and GFS 8-10 means, a time period I think could produce snowfall through the Ohio River Valley and Mid-Atlantic with potential in the Northeast although the models currently aren't indicating anything significant. The ECMWF 12z shows a more east based NAO with positive height anomalies east of Greenland and significant height falls over the Hudson bay region with a southeast extension. In contrast, the GFS is more west based (although not as west as we would like) with the positive height anomalies over Greenland and a 50-50 low to the south. This pattern allows cold air to be focused more to the south and increases the interaction between the northern and southern jet stream (ie phasing). You can see where on the ECMWF the heights are split between the polar and subtropical jet stream, meanwhile the GFS has much more interaction/phasing.




Rain xD

Somebody must be jealous lol
Heavy Freezing Spray Warning
OFFSHORE WATERS FORECAST
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE FAIRBANKS AK
135 PM AKST FRI NOV 7 2014

OFFSHORE WATERS FORECAST FOR THE US ARCTIC WATERS

SEA FORECASTS REPRESENT AN AVERAGE OF THE HIGHEST ONE-THIRD OF
THE COMBINED WIND WAVE AND SWELL HEIGHT. INDIVIDUAL WAVES MAY BE
TWICE AS HIGH.

PKZ500-081400-
WESTERN US ARCTIC OFFSHORE-
135 PM AKST FRI NOV 7 2014

...HEAVY FREEZING SPRAY WARNING IN EFFECT THROUGH SATURDAY
AFTERNOON...

.TONIGHT...S WINDS 25 KT. SEAS 7 FT. FREEZING SPRAY.
.SAT...S WINDS 20 KT BECOMING E IN THE AFTERNOON. SEAS 4 FT.
FREEZING SPRAY.
.SAT NIGHT...E WINDS 20 KT. SEAS 4 FT. HEAVY FREEZING SPRAY.
.SUN...E WINDS 25 KT. SEAS 5 FT. HEAVY FREEZING SPRAY.
.SUN NIGHT...E WINDS 30 KT. SEAS 8 FT. HEAVY FREEZING SPRAY.
.MON...E WINDS 30 KT. SEAS 8 FT.
.TUE...SE WINDS 25 KT. SEAS 5 FT.
.WED...E WINDS 20 KT. SEAS 4 FT.

$$
According to the gfs this is about as close to warm core as this storm should get.
GFS parallel 00z:



Figure 1. MODIS satellite image of ex-Nuri taken at approximately 9 pm EDT November 7, 2014. Two hours previously, the storm was analyzed at 927 mb by NOAA's Ocean Prediction Center, which would rank as 3rd strongest known extratropical cyclone for the northern Pacific. The stronger systems were the well-known October 26, 1977 00z system near Dutch Harbor AK (925 hPa) and the storm from December 24, 1975 @ 12z (926 hPa) near 49N 158W. Image credit: NASA.

Dr. M.
3:00 AM UTC statement from JMA. (12:00 PM JST)

STORM WARNING.
DEVELOPING LOW [T1420] 920 HPA
AT 55N 169E SEA EAST OF KAMCHATKA MOVING NORTH 15 KNOTS.
Quoting 42. BayFog:

I've always had difficulty accepting the use of "sub tropical" to refer to things originating above (north of) the Tropic of Cancer. The prefix "sub" means "below". Then we have this other meaning referring to a storm that doesn't fully qualify as a tropical storm, i.e. Oddities of usage.


Then again super tropical sounds scary for the casual person checking the forecast.
This has been going on well for over 2 months -

And the forecast says a new low is coming It rained 160 mm in Tuscany in the 3 hours this week. France has had it's brains beat out.
The deep loop in the Jet Stream has been there for over 2 months It has trashed Southern France , Spain , and Italy .

Last week the the jet flowed due north over Finland from this pattern. It was raining 7 inches in 3 hours in southern Europe.

Welcome to to the party.
The minumum is very close to the coast now, south of this point Siracusa has a pressure of 987 hPa whereas Catania north is experiencing gust over 100 km/h and torrential rain.

I've been watching this for months , not one of the Florida Fools here ever looked up to see it.

Montpellier, France has more rain than any of us ever dreamed of, in the last 2 months. 100 year rain after 100 year rain.

As the world warms extreme rain events will become more common.

The good doctor is up late.

I am feeling almost no pain, the Oxy and Tylenol is working as it should, but I slept much of the day, as it is hard getting a good night's sleep in a hospital. Wide awake now.

I'm fine, although I no longer have a thyroid, and will start artificial thyroid hormone tomorrow that I'll have to take forever.

Like Alderal, but for 50 year old people who had their thyroids out.

Parallel GFS becomes operational in December? Is that correct? (Noting coastal rain/inland snow versus OTS solution of op GFS end of week).
New parallel GFS has a stripe of 6+ inch snow just South of OKC/I-40 in 8.5 to 9 days.

That would be something to see...

(Posting WeatherBell PPV imagery, I assume, is a violation of either WU or WxBell rules/TOS)
Quoting 68. EdMahmoud:

New parallel GFS has a stripe of 6+ inch snow just South of OKC/I-40 in 8.5 to 9 days.

That would be something to see...

(Posting WeatherBell PPV imagery, I assume, is a violation of either WU or WxBell rules/TOS)


He took the pay wall down for the new GFS upgrade ,snow depth link
Saved image

landfall

Interaction with Sicily coast disrupted the circulation

Quoting 69. VR46L:



He took the pay wall down for the new GFS upgrade ,snow depth link


Snow depth never gets to six inches, I was looking at total accumulated. Still, this would be interesting mid-November,,,

Quoting 72. EdMahmoud:



Snow depth never gets to six inches, I was looking at total accumulated. Still, this would be interesting mid-November,,,




Early start to winter for many in US . Over here the winter pattern only is really starting now .. procession of extropical storms kicked of a few days ago and can expect that to mid Feb

Next one should be down tonight



But I see the forecasts are not panic mode for Italy





Can't recall ever seeing a 488 height but there's ex-Nuri on the 24 hour forecast chart. Pretty impressive.
Imagine about 30 million years ago when the Med was bigger what kind of storms they got. (Or not, I am assuming the Med was at similar latitude when it was larger.)

The Med is shrinking the same reason Italy has volcanoes and the Alps are growing, the collision of the African and European plates. Wiki suggests 2.2 cm/year motion.
Quoting 73. VR46L:



Early start to winter for many in US . Over here the winter pattern only is really starting now .. procession of extropical storms kicked of a few days ago and can expect that to mid Feb

Next one should be down tonight



But I see the forecasts are not panic mode for Italy





I don't understand why they put the yellow code for rain here in Tuscany, today is not forecasted rain nor tomorrow, there are only low clouds (the maccaja) and fog, the netx rainy day is forecasted to be monday.
Quoting 55. CaribBoy:



Rain xD

Somebody must be jealous lol


Very ;-)
SOI continues to tank in dramatic fashion and Nino 3.4 is rising fast as well. Dumb move on NOAA's part this week lowering the chance of El-Nino as it appears El-Nino is here and will likely be declared next month. October has averaged with 0.5C and November will likely be even higher than that once we finish the month.

Latest Southern Oscillation Index values

SOI values for 08 Nov 2014



Average for last 30 days

-12.3



Average for last 90 days

-8.6



Daily contribution to SOI calculation

-21.9


A solid shield of rain is quickly heading for FL this morning. Most models have rain continuing thru Monday now.

It looks like Ex-Nuri now has a pressure of 924mb which beats that Dutch Harbour storm in terms of pressure by one mb. I wonder if it can deepen any further or is it chances of deepening done now?
Good morning. I see, Sicily and southern Italy is still standing after medicane "Qendresa" had a close landfalling encounter with the slopes of Etna Volcano and is sauntering back to the sea right now. They are still assessing damage, but thankfully no reports of injured people or fatalities so far.

German National Weather Service DWD this morning had a look at the system (without detailed discussion whether it has been tropical or not, just mentioning that structure with its whirled banding resembled a hurricane and that winds had been close to "Orkan" force; "Orkan" is the german term for very severe European windstorms), refering to it as "Qendresa". BTW: The female name "Qendresa" comes from Albania (Balkans) and means: "the resilient".




Compilation of videos and loops from yesterday, showing the cyclone visiting Lampedusa, Malta (where a little tornado was associated with the storm) and Syracuse:



Medicane hitting Lampedusa yesterday:



Lampedusa yesterday (possibly in the eye of the storm):



Additional video from Malta yesterday as the storm approaches:




Complete radar loop until this morning:



Still image showing the large eye right before landfall off Sicily:



Updating current radar loop showing Qendresa regaining some of its structure while leaving Sicily to the southeast.

Edit: Qendresa's COC is developing some stronger convection with lightning now but looks a bit sheared:


GFS (06z) shows the center of Qendresa moving over the Ionian Sea towards Greece today (6pm UTC):


Have a nice morning everybody as I'm out for quite a while to get my stuff done, lol.
Everyone mopping up in the NE Caribbean. 3.96" yesterday on St. Croix, my storm total is 7.67". Unfortunately a solid 3" came down in about an hour yesterday morning so damage to unpaved mountain roads is fairly extensive. No clear reportage of Hispaniola and Puerto Rico but multiple fatalities were suggested. Power down in isolated areas and as usual landlines affected. The upper level low is forecast to move off to the North and the offending trough has pulled NE of here this morning but the forecast is for rains to continue through Monday.
So post-tropical storm Nuri appears to have officially bottomed out at at least 924mb, making it-as predicted-the strongest storm ever measured in that area known for monster storms. Meanwhile, the Mediterranean is dealing with its own oddball mlonster storm, many areas of the Eastern US are expected to be 20 below normal next week, California is still in the grips of the deepest drought it's ever experienced, last month was the warmest October ever seen, and 2014 is in the running for warmest year ever measured.

Well, no worries. Everything seems fine. Just fine... :)
Quoting 78. StormTrackerScott:

SOI continues to tank in dramatic fashion and Nino 3.4 is rising fast as well. Dumb move on NOAA's part this week lowering the chance of El-Nino as it appears El-Nino is here and will likely be declared next month. October has averaged with 0.5C and November will likely be even higher than that once we finish the month.

Latest Southern Oscillation Index values

SOI values for 08 Nov 2014



Average for last 30 days

-12.3



Average for last 90 days

-8.6



Daily contribution to SOI calculation

-21.9






I don't even live in California, but I hope they have a typical wet El Nino Winter and build a decent mountain snowpack.
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Quoting 83. Neapolitan:

So post-tropical storm Nuri appears to have officially bottomed out at at least 924mb, making it-as predicted-the strongest storm ever measured in that area known for monster storms. Meanwhile, the Mediterranean is dealing with its own oddball mlonster storm, many areas of the Eastern US are expected to be 20 below normal next week, California is still in the grips of the deepest drought it's ever experienced, last month was the warmest October ever seen, and 2014 is in the running for warmest year ever measured.

Well, no worries. Everything seems fine. Just fine... :)



The sky is falling!
We had heavy rains last night... 3-6 inches



And now.. some minor flooding lol



Some of our friends on the Virgin and Leeward Islands are getting soaked.

Storm is too far north, but both the west coast and Hawaii will see a solid long period swell from ex-Nuri. Probably will have a lot of power for the size of the swell. It will pack a punch. Looks like Hawaii will have 17 second period.

Quoting 87. VR46L:

gft courtesy of Brian McNoldy twitter feed





Fresh short but impressive video from Lampedusa yesterday.

Best new satellite loop (here the same in Quicktime with a better resolution):
you all look at one chart to determine el nino or not thats tens of thousands of sq miles of nothing but ocean. remember swimming some parts of the pond are warmer than others. same out there.

rain!!!
Quoting 95. hurricanes2018:


rain!!!


We need it... because the dry season is approaching and will be long and boring :/
Quoting capeflorida:
Some of our friends on the Virgin and Leeward Islands are getting soaked.

Yes, is moving east, it was over Puerto Rico for two, days But we still could get another round of rain due to humidity and local effects of the heat, winds vs. the mountains this afternoon....
Quoting CaribBoy:


We need it... because the dry season is approaching and will be long and boring :/
Hey, you can complain, this year. In a rather slow season, you had a ball, with Gonzalo, ;)
Quoting PensacolaDoug:



The sky is falling!
Neopolitan, I agree. But prepared, the anti GW gang are ready to jump on you...ha,ha,ha
Quoting HuracanTaino:
Hey, you can complain, this year. In a rather slow season, you had a ball, with Gonzalo, ;)


Yep, here in S.W. Florida we haven't seen a storm since Hurricane Wilma.
Dry season kicked in about 5 weeks ago. It's been sunny and dry almost every day for 5 weeks (about 1" of rain in 5 weeks).

This weekend is looking good for some rain. The question is how much?

15.07" below normal for the year. That's pretty remarkable compared to the rest of the state.
Quoting 101. HuracanTaino:

Neopolitan, I agree. But prepared, the anti GW gang are ready to jump on you...ha,ha,ha
I'm used to that. After all, the truth is scary, you know?
Winds have been blowing 50-60 mph with much higher gusts for about 20 hours in Shemya, Alaska.

39 degrees with 68 mph gusts. That would feel a bit chilly.

The report was made 6 minutes ago, at 13:56 UTC
Wind 51 mph from the Southwest with gusts up to 68 mph
Temperature 39F
Humidity 87%
Pressure 28.12 in. Hg (952mb)
Visibility: 5 miles
Overcast at a height of 1400 ft
mist
surfing triple crown season opens on the 12th this yr many of the contestants will have a wake up call. we surfed sunset bch. oahu back in the late 70s early 80 with out a leach without lifeguards they got it easy nowadays. they even got jetskis spinning around.
Quoting hurricanewatcher61:
Great! So much for my Bucs playing at home on Sunday, more added misery for my team!


Local met here in Fort Myers is showing the rain should be ending and clearing starting around mid day Sunday.

His model forecast shows the best chance of rain is between 7pm this evening and 7am tomorrow morning. The heaviest rain should be this evening.
Then the rain starts to break up by mid day Sunday with the sun coming out by late afternoon.

We'll have to see it that happens. He might be rushing the system a little.
But the 06Z GFS does have the rain ending by 12Z Sunday for my area.
Quoting 83. Neapolitan:

So post-tropical storm Nuri appears to have officially bottomed out at at least 924mb, making it-as predicted-the strongest storm ever measured in that area known for monster storms. Meanwhile, the Mediterranean is dealing with its own oddball mlonster storm, many areas of the Eastern US are expected to be 20 below normal next week, California is still in the grips of the deepest drought it's ever experienced, last month was the warmest October ever seen, and 2014 is in the running for warmest year ever measured.

Well, no worries. Everything seems fine. Just fine... :)

So what's the game plan?? Post on a message board or get into action? All I have seen here in the years of reading is hot air. Is that part of the warming? We need a plan for the 7 billion people to harmoniously live in nature and eat without using fossil fuels.. Do you have it? Do you live it?
When you say "ever" 4 times don't you mean in the past few hundred years?? My interpretation of ever is a little longer.

Quoting 83. Neapolitan:

So post-tropical storm Nuri appears to have officially bottomed out at at least 924mb, making it-as predicted-the strongest storm ever measured in that area known for monster storms. Meanwhile, the Mediterranean is dealing with its own oddball mlonster storm, many areas of the Eastern US are expected to be 20 below normal next week, California is still in the grips of the deepest drought it's ever experienced, last month was the warmest October ever seen, and 2014 is in the running for warmest year ever measured.

Well, no worries. Everything seems fine. Just fine... :)
Is the 924 a reading from JMA at the center of the storm, Neo? The storm center is off the Russian Coast. If you're talking about the storm center, don't we need a reading from Attu or Shemya to break an Alaska record? Would be difficult to know if this is a record for the open Bering Sea off the Russian Coast, which is where the center is located. Maybe you have more skinny on it - please inform.

Please don't call me "anti-global warming." Just needing some clarification, and at the same time pointing out you can't break an Alaskan record set in Dutch Harbor in 1977 with a low center off Russia.

Quoting 97. Sfloridacat5:


Quoting Abacosurf:

So what's the game plan?? Post on a message board or get into action? All I have seen here in the years of reading is hot air. Is that part of the warming? We need a plan for the 7 billion people to harmoniously live in nature and eat without using fossil fuels.. Do you have it? Do you live it?
When you say "ever" 4 times don't you mean in the past few hundred years?? My interpretation of ever is a little longer.

People need to look at the past and see this has happened before your suv. ice free artic ,snow will be a thing of the past. the weather has always been extreme and always will.
From Tropical Tidbits
Ex-Typhoon Nuri has become the strongest non-tropical storm observed in the north Pacific, analyzed at 924mb by OPC at 06z this morning. The previous record was 925mb observed at Dutch Harbor, Alaska in October of 1977. The storm continues to bring hurricane-force wind gusts to Shemya and the western Aleutian Islands.
Quoting 111. SFLWeatherman:

From Tropical Tidbits
Ex-Typhoon Nuri has become the strongest non-tropical storm observed in the north Pacific, analyzed at 924mb by OPC at 06z this morning. The previous record was 925mb observed at Dutch Harbor, Alaska in October of 1977. The storm continues to bring hurricane-force wind gusts to Shemya and the western Aleutian Islands.
And I would ask the same questions (comment 109) of Levi.
Quoting 42. BayFog:

I've always had difficulty accepting the use of "sub tropical" to refer to things originating above (north of) the Tropic of Cancer. The prefix "sub" means "below". Then we have this other meaning referring to a storm that doesn't fully qualify as a tropical storm. Oddities of usage.

I think the usage of "subtropical" is more in the sense of "not quite tropical."

This would go for psuedo-tropical systems that are not quite extratropical and not quite fully tropical, so they would be "below tropical." This also works for climate regions both north and south of the tropics (don't forget the Southern Hemisphere). In those locations the climate has some characteristics of tropical, but not all, making it not quite tropical.
Its a monstah..

Quoting 109. Barefootontherocks:

Is the 924 a reading from JMA at the center of the storm, Neo? The storm center is off the Russian Coast. If you're talking about the storm center, don't we need a reading from Attu or Shemya to break an Alaska record? Would be difficult to know if this is a record for the open Bering Sea off the Russian Coast, which is where the center is located. Maybe you have more skinny on it - please inform.

Please don't call me "anti-global warming." Just needing some clarification, and at the same time pointing out you can't break an Alaskan record set in Dutch Harbor in 1977 with a low center off Russia.




Doesn't this count? ;-)

"They're our next-door neighbors, and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska" Sarah Palin.

Quoting 108. Abacosurf:


So what's the game plan?? Post on a message board or get into action? All I have seen here in the years of reading is hot air. Is that part of the warming? We need a plan for the 7 billion people to harmoniously live in nature and eat without using fossil fuels.. Do you have it? Do you live it?
When you say "ever" 4 times don't you mean in the past few hundred years?? My interpretation of ever is a little longer.




Yeah, we should all turn to Neapolitan for the answer. Is that really your argument and end of attack? Ask Neapolitan to solve the problem for you? Make sure he is being righteous by your standards? And repeat the often wrong meme of only x amount of years of data? We now have almost 22,000 years of temperature reconstructions, we have yet to see such a rapid temperature increase as is occurring right now.

If you can't be bothered to read the science and take some personal responsibility for educating yourself on what is happening, don't bother others.

We ARE doomed.
India Meteorological Department
17:30 PM IST November 8 2014
===============================

1. The well­ marked low pressure area (BOB04) over west central Bay of Bengal & neighborhood persists. It would weaken further into a low pressure area during next 24 hours.

Dvorak Intensity: T1.0

2. A low pressure area may develop over south Andaman Sea & neighborhood around November 10th.
Some interesting new psychological research out of Duke for the perceived split in acceptance of climate change down party lines:

"For climate change, the researchers conducted an experiment to examine why more Republicans than Democrats seem to deny its existence, despite strong scientific evidence that supports it.

One explanation, they found, may have more to do with conservatives' general opposition to the most popular solution -- increasing government regulation -- than with any difference in fear of the climate change problem itself, as some have proposed.

Participants in the experiment, including both self-identified Republicans and Democrats, read a statement asserting that global temperatures will rise 3.2 degrees in the 21st century. They were then asked to evaluate a proposed policy solution to address the warming.

When the policy solution emphasized a tax on carbon emissions or some other form of government regulation, which is generally opposed by Republican ideology, only 22 percent of Republicans said they believed the temperatures would rise at least as much as indicated by the scientific statement they read.

But when the proposed policy solution emphasized the free market, such as with innovative green technology, 55 percent of Republicans agreed with the scientific statement.

For Democrats, the same experiment recorded no difference in their belief, regardless of the proposed solution to climate change." Link

Link to paper: Link
Quoting 115. capeflorida:



Doesn't this count? ;-)

"They're our next-door neighbors, and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska" Sarah Palin.

Maybe would count if the low were at Little Diomede, where "you can see Russia from here." :)



cold weather coming soon
NWS radar out of Tampa is down right now because they are painting the dome.

They must not think it's going to rain.

Seems like they picked a bad day to shut down the radar. There have been endless days of sunny weather with no rain chances that might have been a better choice.

NOUS62 KTBW 081228
FTMTBW
Message Date: Nov 08 2014 12:28:02

KTBW DOPPLER RADAR WILL BE DOWN TODAY UNTIL APPROXIMATELY 2100 UTC FOR DOME PAIN
TING. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE.
Quoting 116. Naga5000:




Yeah, we should all turn to Neapolitan for the answer. Is that really your argument and end of attack? Ask Neapolitan to solve the problem for you? Make sure he is being righteous by your standards? And repeat the often wrong meme of only x amount of years of data? We now have almost 22,000 years of temperature reconstructions, we have yet to see such a rapid temperature increase as is occurring right now.

If you can't be bothered to read the science and take some personal responsibility for educating yourself on what is happening, don't bother others.

We ARE doomed.
NAGA...I have read the science.
You are missing my point. What are each and every one of you doing to HELP the issue? Including you Doc?? What is YOUR plan of action today, tomorrow, next week, next month, next year, next decade.....etc. Are you waiting for government to fix this or do you think a more organic grass roots effort would be effective?
Simple questions.
I solve problems every day in my line of work and thrive on answers! You have presented your case brilliantly for years, so what are you doing personally to help solve this problem? From your last statement it sounds like you have thrown the towel in already. So is that the answer??? Saying EF it we are doomed? Fine for you I suppose but I won't go down without trying.
124. jpsb
Quoting 111. SFLWeatherman:

From Tropical Tidbits
Ex-Typhoon Nuri has become the strongest non-tropical storm observed in the north Pacific, analyzed at 924mb by OPC at 06z this morning. The previous record was 925mb observed at Dutch Harbor, Alaska in October of 1977. The storm continues to bring hurricane-force wind gusts to Shemya and the western Aleutian Islands.


analyzed at 924mb ????? Since when does "analyzed at" beat measured data?
Wunderground radar out of Tampa is also down.
They must use the same source as the NWS.

Location of low center from Nuri remnants per JMA at 12z Nov 8: 924mb 55N, 171W Moving ESE at 10 knots.
(Add: Previous advisory had the low moving N)


Link to 3-day obs at Shemya, Alaska, in the Aleutians

Warnings current as of 1540z Nov 8.
Rain creeping closer to the coast.
Quoting 114. hydrus:

Its a monstah..


Not impressed.
Quoting 122. Abacosurf:

NAGA...I have read the science.
You are missing my point. What are each and every one of you doing to HELP the issue? Including you Doc?? What is YOUR plan of action today, tomorrow, next week, next month, next year, next decade.....etc. Are you waiting for government to fix this or do you think a more organic grass roots effort would be effective?
Simple questions.
I solve problems every day in my line of work and thrive on answers! You have presented your case brilliantly for years, so what are you doing personally to help solve this problem? From your last statement it sounds like you have thrown the towel in already. So is that the answer??? Saying EF it we are doomed? Fine for you I suppose but I won't go down without trying.



I do the best I can through rational economic choices. That's all I can do just like everyone else. My personal carbon footprint is very small, but to shift the impetus on the individual is absurd. The individual isn't going to stop fossil fuel use, the individual isn't going to change the way energy use is regulated, the individual cannot afford solar energy conversion without assistance, the individual isn't going to produce more fuel efficient and electric cars, the individual isn't going to get elected officials to stop pandering to the energy corporations as more important than the planet.

The emphasis on the individual is not the point here. I only say we are doomed because instead of looking for the large solutions which then effect how we live our lives moving forward, you want to shift responsibility to people like myself and Neapolitan without knowing anything about who we are and how we live, and honestly expect that societal change in energy use is going to come from below instead of the top. We are too busy blaming each other to affect change, that's why I say we are doomed.

So I would appreciate it that instead of grilling me over what I am doing personally with no knowledge of who I am or what I do, take my word that I will be fine, focus your attention on the people who got us into this mess, they will be the ones to get us out.
Pressure's been dropping at Shemya, Alaska

The report was made 11 minutes ago, at 15:34 UTC
Wind 51 mph from the West/Southwest with gusts up to 60 mph
Temperature
Pressure 28.05 in. Hg (949mb)
Visibility: 5 miles
Overcast at a height of 1800 ft
light snow
Quoting 129. Naga5000:



I do the best I can through rational economic choices. That's all I can do just like everyone else. My personal carbon footprint is very small, but to shift the impetus on the individual is absurd. The individual isn't going to stop fossil fuel use, the individual isn't going to change the way energy use is regulated, the individual cannot afford solar energy conversion without assistance, the individual isn't going to produce more fuel efficient and electric cars, the individual isn't going to get elected officials to stop pandering to the energy corporations as more important than the planet.

The emphasis on the individual is not the point here. I only say we are doomed because instead of looking for the large solutions which then effect how we live our lives moving forward, you want to shift responsibility to people like myself and Neapolitan without knowing anything about who we are and how we live, and honestly expect that societal change in energy use is going to come from below instead of the top. We are too busy blaming each other to affect change, that's why I say we are doomed.

So I would appreciate it that instead of grilling me over what I am doing personally with no knowledge of who I am or what I do, take my word that I will be fine, focus your attention on the people who got us into this mess, they will be the ones to get us out.
LMAO...ok...I'll wait on "them".
If you don't think being personally responsible helps than what are you trying to accomplish on this board??
co2now.org

Accelerating CO2 TrendAtmospheric CO2 is accelerating upward from decade to decade.
For the past ten years, the average annual rate of increase is 2.07 parts per million (ppm). This rate of increase is more than double the increase in the 1960s.

Quoting 60. JeffMasters:


Figure 1. MODIS satellite image of ex-Nuri taken at approximately 9 pm EDT November 7, 2014. Two hours previously, the storm was analyzed at 927 mb by NOAA's Ocean Prediction Center, which would rank as 3rd strongest known extratropical cyclone for the northern Pacific.


according to the JMA-Analysis, the storm (Ex-Nuri) had a central pressure of 920 hPa at 06 UTC on 2014-11-08
http://www.jma.go.jp/en/g3/
Quoting 122. Abacosurf:

NAGA...I have read the science.
You are missing my point. What are each and every one of you doing to HELP the issue? Including you Doc?? What is YOUR plan of action today, tomorrow, next week, next month, next year, next decade.....etc. Are you waiting for government to fix this or do you think a more organic grass roots effort would be effective?
Simple questions.
I solve problems every day in my line of work and thrive on answers! You have presented your case brilliantly for years, so what are you doing personally to help solve this problem? From your last statement it sounds like you have thrown the towel in already. So is that the answer??? Saying EF it we are doomed? Fine for you I suppose but I won't go down without trying.

Good morning Abaco...You have been on the blog since 2008. I am surprised that you do not know how many here ( including Dr.Masters ) have already made the switch to solar, keep there carbon footprint to a minimum, and recycle whenever possible. We here in TN carpool regularly, and authorities here have strict laws and penalties for people who pollute and litter. It may seem like nothing is being done, but that is simply not true. In fact, I believe within the next 20 years, there will be a huge shift from fossil to renewable, and fusion plants will be a reality.
HOW MUCH HAS THE GLOBAL TEMPERATURE RISEN IN THE LAST 100 YEARS?

Averaged over all land and ocean surfaces, temperatures warmed roughly 1.53°F (0.85ºC) from 1880 to 2012, according to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (see page 3 of the IPCC's Climate Change 2013: The Physical Science Basis, Summary for Policymakers - PDF). Because oceans tend to warm and cool more slowly than land areas, continents have warmed the most. In the Northern Hemisphere, where most of Earth's land mass is located, the three decades from 1983 to 2012 were likely the warmest 30-year period of the last 1400 years, according to the IPCC.
Quoting 128. washingtonian115:

Not impressed.
Good mornin Wash...C,mon, for early November its got some size.
Quoting 132. jpsb:




Of course nearly 20 years without any real warming has absolutely nothing to do with some folks becoming somewhat skeptical about man made global warming. Maybe a little warming might help convince people they need to pay a carbon tax while they freeze in the dark of winter.


How many time a day do you repeat the false meme of "no warming in "x" number of years? Did it ever occur to you that every time you repeat the lie you are part of the problem?

20 years:



But that's only surface and lower troposphere



And again, multiple record warmest months in 2014 all tell the story that the meme of "it hasn't warmed in "x" years" is a lie, plain and simple by any and all metrics.

Quoting 133. Abacosurf:

LMAO...ok...I'll wait on "them".
If you don't think being personally responsible helps than what are you trying to accomplish on this board??



Your so angry that I'm not trying to change the world through an obscure corner of the internet on a message board? LMAO indeed. I'm doing what some of us use the blog for, I hang out here, read the weather, and post corrections to misinformation on the climate. I'm not trying to accomplish anything here except make more people aware of the reality. We have a serious lack of scientific understanding in this country.

Again, your so focused on me trying to fix something for you. I've already done what I can within my means on an individual level. I am not your solution, I provide information you can do whatever you want with.

I am personally responsible...that hasn't seemed to get us anywhere on AGW, now has it?
Quoting 124. jpsb:



analyzed at 924mb ????? Since when does "analyzed at" beat measured data?

I'm not sure that anyone argued that an analyzed pressure was better than a measured pressure.
From Miami NWS...

PWATS WILL BE ON THE INCREASE THROUGH SUNDAY...INCREASING TO ABOUT
1.75 INCHES. HOWEVER, FORCING WILL BE WEAK AT THE SURFACE TODAY-
TONIGHT...AND BY SUNDAY WE LOOK TO BE IN AN OVERRUNNING/ISENTROPIC
LIFT RAINFALL PATTERN, WHICH DOESN`T LEND ITSELF FOR ISOLATED
EXCESSIVE RAIN AMOUNTS. CLOUDINESS AND LACK OF INSTABILITY WILL
BE A MAJOR FACTOR AS WELL. CONCUR WITH WPC QPF THROUGH MONDAY OF
ONLY 0.5-1.0" WIDESPREAD...AND AM NOT CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT WE
OFTEN TYPICALLY SEE HERE WITH ISOLATED MUCH HIGHER TOTALS.
PROBABILISTIC QPF FROM WPC...THE PROBABILITY OF EXCEEDING 1" IS
LESS THAN 5% ACROSS SOUTH FL. IN OTHER WORDS, FLOODING RAINS ARE
NOT EXPECTED. JUST A RARE, DREARY SOUTH FL DAY. TEMPS WILL BE
HELD DOWN WITH HIGHS ONLY IN THE 70S SUN-MON...AND IT`S POSSIBLE
TEMPS MAY HOLD IN THE 60S FROM NAPLES TO THE LAKE OKEECHOBEE
REGION ON SUNDAY, THOUGH DID NOT GO THIS COOL AS MODEL CONSENSUS
IS SLIGHTLY HIGHER.

TEMPS BEYOND MONDAY WILL BE NEAR CLIMO. DESPITE AN ANOMALOUS
PATTERN OF ARCTIC AIR INTRUSION OVER THE NORTHERN PLAINS/GREAT
LAKES NEXT WEEK WITH TEMPS SOME 15-20F DEGREES BELOW AVG, THE
FLOW WILL REMAIN ZONAL OVER FLORIDA AND NOT AMPLIFIED ENOUGH TO
SEND ANY COLD AIR THIS WAY. AS SUCH, WE STAY WARM THROUGH NEXT
WEEK...AT LEAST. /GREGORIA
Quoting 132. jpsb:
[There's been no global warming in 20 years]

It's been pointed out to you numerous times when you post that statement that you are incorrect. It reaches a point where it becomes deliberately dishonest to keep peddling something that is known to you to be untrue.

Are you just asking to have your posts flagged and removed?
Quoting 139. Naga5000:



How many time a day do you repeat the false meme of "no warming in "x" number of years? Did it ever occur to you that every time you repeat the lie you are part of the problem?

20 years:


But that's only surface and lower troposphere


And again, multiple record warmest months in 2014 all tell the story that the meme of "it hasn't warmed in "x" years" is a lie, plain and simple by any and all metrics.



I wouldn't even give him the benefit of a direct quote. It's not the first time he's jumped in with that silliness. Just flag the post.
Watch out for that west peak.

Eddie was guarding the Bay, but that was about it.

You had it good. Perhaps you knew my pal Jimmy Blears?

Quoting 106. islander101010:

surfing triple crown season opens on the 12th this yr many of the contestants will have a wake up call. we surfed sunset bch. oahu back in the late 70s early 80 with out a leach without lifeguards they got it easy nowadays. they even got jetskis spinning around.
The Mediterranean system redeveloped a burst of deep convection in the last couple of hours after returning over open waters but it's concentrated in the eastern semicircle with the western semicircle completely exposed (i guess due to shear).

i was there when rabbit hung out but i worked in waikiki . i did not know anyone important. but sunset was my favorite spot on the north shore even though i am goofy. sunset was awesome even on a average day get those sneaker sets every once in awhile the swim in after the board was not all that bad. always swim to left and stay in the white colored water. . what was nice about sunset the board usually washed up harmlessly on to a white beach and not onto the rocks unlike some other spots.. when it was smaller surfed gas chamber pupukea area alot . pipleline is a great spot for body surfing which i liked to do too but never surfed there. looking down the face of that wave and seeing the black colored water& rocks was too scary for me.
Good, Hope the rain ends before 1:00pm then. Will see.
Quoting Sfloridacat5:


Local met here in Fort Myers is showing the rain should be ending and clearing starting around mid day Sunday.

His model forecast shows the best chance of rain is between 7pm this evening and 7am tomorrow morning. The heaviest rain should be this evening.
Then the rain starts to break up by mid day Sunday with the sun coming out by late afternoon.

We'll have to see it that happens. He might be rushing the system a little.
But the 06Z GFS does have the rain ending by 12Z Sunday for my area.
Scary read:

Brazil drought: Sao Paulo sleepwalking into water crisis
BBC, 7 November 2014 Last updated at 08:12 GMT, Article written by Wyre Davies, Rio de Janeiro correspondent
In Brazil's biggest city, a record dry season and ever-increasing demand for water has led to a punishing drought.
It has actually been raining quite heavily over the last few days in and around Sao Paulo but it has barely made a drop of difference.
The main reservoir system that feeds this immense city is still dangerously low, and it would take months of intense, heavy rainfall for water levels to return to anything like normal.
So how does a country that produces an estimated 12% of the world's fresh water end up with a chronic shortage of this most essential resource - in its biggest and most economically important city? ...


...Antonio Nobre is one of country's most respected Earth scientists and climatologists. He argues there is enough evidence to say that continued deforestation in the Amazon and the almost complete disappearance of the Atlantic forest has drastically altered the climate.
"There is a hot dry air mass sitting down here [in Sao Paulo] like an elephant and nothing can move it," says the eminent scientist, who divides his time between the southern city of Sao Jose dos Campos and the Amazon city of Manaus.
"That's what we have learned - that the forests have an innate ability to import moisture and to cool down and to favour rain… If deforestation in the Amazon continues, Sao Paulo will probably dry up. If we don't act now, we're lost," adds Mr Nobre, whose recent report on the plight of the Amazon caused a huge stir in scientific and political circles.
Water shortages have the potential to harm the economy too, and that's where the politicians in Sao Paulo and Brasilia just might start to act. ...

Whole article see link above.
AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MELBOURNE FL
1025 AM EST SAT NOV 8 2014

.DISCUSSION...

...SOME RAIN IS ON THE WAY...

CURRENT...SURFACE FRONTAL BOUNDARY LIES A LITTLE SOUTH OF LAKE OKEE
EARLY THIS MORNING...WITH A LOW PRES WAVE OVER THE CENTRAL GOMEX...
SOUTH OF LA. VISIBLE SATELLITE SHOWS A MIX OF SCATTERED LOW AND HIGH
CLOUDS OVER ECFL WITH LIGHT WINDS OUT OF THE N-NNE OVER THE NRN 2/3
CWA AND E-ESE AROUND LAKE OKEE. TEMPS HAVE QUICKLY WARMED INTO THE
L-M70S. LOOKING UPSTREAM OVER THE GOMEX SHOWS A LARGE MASS OF CLOUDS
/PRECIP HEADED TOWARD THE STATE. WELL DEFINED MID/UPPER TROUGH OVER
THE WRN GOMEX CONTINUES TO ACCELERATE EWD WITH ENHANCED H25 JETSTRK
OVER THE NERN GOMEX/SERN CONUS PRODUCING A LARGE SWATH OF DIVGT
FORCED ASCENT...SUPPORTING A DEVELOPING AREA OF WIDESPREAD PRECIP.

THIS AFTERNOON...WELL ADVERTISED RAIN EVENT IS ON THE WAY. EXPECT
INCREASING AND THEN THICKENING HIGH AND MID LEVEL CLOUDS ALONG WITH
SOME SPRINKLES OF LIGHT RAIN BREAKING OUT DURING MID-LATE AFTERNOON
AND A FEW MEASURABLE LIGHT RAIN SHOWERS AS WE HEAD TOWARD SUNSET.
TEMPS WILL REACH THE M-U70S NORTH AND L80S SOUTH BEFORE ARRIVAL OF
CLOUDS QUICKLY PUT A DAMPER ON ANY FURTHER DIURNAL TEMP RISE.

&&

any update on snow for my area?
Quoting 136. hydrus:

Good morning Abaco...You have been on the blog since 2008. I am surprised that you do not know how many here ( including Dr.Masters ) have already made the switch to solar, keep there carbon footprint to a minimum, and recycle whenever possible. We here in TN carpool regularly, and authorities here have strict laws and penalties for people who pollute and litter. It may seem like nothing is being done, but that is simply not true. In fact, I believe within the next 20 years, there will be a huge shift from fossil to renewable, and fusion plants will be a reality.

Thank you hydrus! That's what I am talking about! Answers. To believe that individuals can't make a difference does not register well with me. Tell that to MLK or Nelson Mandella.
Individuals working together can effectively make a difference. It's the monkey see monkey do theory.
I am tired of hearing about DOOM. 99.99 % of the posts on GW discuss the problem with few discussing practical answers for the individual.
Unfortunately it takes motivated individuals to create a new way of living and America has bred laziness and let "them" fix it attitude.
153. MahFL
Quoting 127. Sfloridacat5:

Rain creeping closer to the coast.


In Orange Park we have dry air still, humidity is 23 %.
Quoting 140. Naga5000:



Your so angry that I'm not trying to change the world through an obscure corner of the internet on a message board? LMAO indeed. I'm doing what some of us use the blog for, I hang out here, read the weather, and post corrections to misinformation on the climate. I'm not trying to accomplish anything here except make more people aware of the reality. We have a serious lack of scientific understanding in this country.

Again, your so focused on me trying to fix something for you. I've already done what I can within my means on an individual level. I am not your solution, I provide information you can do whatever you want with.

I am personally responsible...that hasn't seemed to get us anywhere on AGW, now has it?

Not angry in the least... :) Personal responsiblity IS part of the answer. Keep up the great work!
Rabbit was great. As were many from that era.

I did not frequent either Sunset or Pipe too much because of the heavy factor. I was there about 10 years later than you and there was quite a pecking order. I did have some great days at both, but it took a lot of hustling and some close calls. I just kept my trap shut and occasionally someone threw me a bone.

I surfed Lani's a lot. Loved Haleiwa (beach park). Used to get Makaha good once and a while. Got chased out of Nanakuli once, lol. I also lived and worked mainly in town and the east side. I used to surf town quite a bit too.

Good times.



Quoting 147. islander101010:

i was there when rabbit hung out but i worked in waikiki . i did not know anyone important. but sunset was my favorite spot on the north shore even though i am goofy. sunset was awesome even on a average day get those sneaker sets every once in awhile the swim in after the board was not all that bad. always swim to left and stay in the white colored water. . what was nice about sunset the board usually washed up harmlessly on to a white beach and not onto the rocks unlike some other spots.. when it was smaller surfed gas chamber pupukea area alot . pipleline is a great spot for body surfing which i liked to do too but never surfed there. looking down the face of that wave and seeing the black colored water& rocks was too scary for me. there were alot of fights there tried to avoid that.
I've been a little surprised at the monkey see monkey do with my solar hot water heater. After installation the neighborhood Jones all showed up asking about how to get one for themselves & a few have in a fairly short time. Pleasant added advantage I hadn't figured before considering one is it increases the home value generally twice the full cost of the hot water heater.

One of the best reasons for individuals to act to lower their carbon footprint is it will save them money and increase their net worth.
All this talk makes me guilty about my Mercedes. Makes me want to go out and downgrade to a Lexus. I'll do my part.
Quoting MahFL:


In Orange Park we have dry air still, humidity is 23 %.


Creeping is a good word.
Local met showed 7pm this evening for some decent rains breaking out my area (Fort Myers).
We'll see if that forecast works out.

Currently - its partly to mostly cloudy and a nice day (80 degrees at the house).
Quoting 158. Grothar:

All this talk makes me guilty about my Mercedes. Makes me want to go out and downgrade to a Lexus. I'll do my part.


My Mercedes gets 40mpg and runs on used cooking oil.
Quoting 158. Grothar:

All this talk makes me guilty about my Mercedes. Makes me want to go out and downgrade to a Lexus. I'll do my part.
I don't want to see you suffer!
Switch to this S class hybrid!

Quoting 157. Skyepony:

I've been a little surprised at the monkey see monkey do with my solar hot water heater. After installation the neighborhood Jones all showed up asking about how to get one for themselves & a few have in a fairly short time. Pleasant added advantage I hadn't figured before considering one is it increases the home value generally twice the full cost of the hot water heater.

One of the best reasons for individuals to act to lower their carbon footprint is it will save them money and increase their net worth.

Awesome Skye!! I had the same thing happen with the Talapia aquaculture system I set up this past year. People are eager! Make it happen!
Next generation Lamborghini and Nissan GT-R will be hybrids.
Quoting 161. Abacosurf:

I don't want to see you suffer!
Switch to this S class hybrid!




Runs on COAL!
Quoting 161. Abacosurf:

I don't want to see you suffer!
Switch to this S class hybrid!




I would, but I can't find an extension cord long enough for our long drives.
Quoting 118. Naga5000:

Some interesting new psychological research out of Duke for the perceived split in acceptance of climate change down party lines:

"For climate change, the researchers conducted an experiment to examine why more Republicans than Democrats seem to deny its existence, despite strong scientific evidence that supports it.

One explanation, they found, may have more to do with conservatives' general opposition to the most popular solution -- increasing government regulation -- than with any difference in fear of the climate change problem itself, as some have proposed.

Participants in the experiment, including both self-identified Republicans and Democrats, read a statement asserting that global temperatures will rise 3.2 degrees in the 21st century. They were then asked to evaluate a proposed policy solution to address the warming.

When the policy solution emphasized a tax on carbon emissions or some other form of government regulation, which is generally opposed by Republican ideology, only 22 percent of Republicans said they believed the temperatures would rise at least as much as indicated by the scientific statement they read.

But when the proposed policy solution emphasized the free market, such as with innovative green technology, 55 percent of Republicans agreed with the scientific statement.

For Democrats, the same experiment recorded no difference in their belief, regardless of the proposed solution to climate change." Link

Link to paper: Link



That sounds like a good explanation. Although as a Republican, I don't understand why so many other Republicans have become so scared of regulation to the point of complete irrationality in regards to dealing with the concept of government regulation. While too much regulation does become oppressive and unproductive to an economy, which is the general base premise of Republican/Conservative politics, too little regulation is just as bad. The other problem is the fact that we argue over too much government or too little government. But how come there is less intelligent discussion over proper government, and proper placement of funds? Our problem is not too much government, but too much improper, sloppy government. Regulation is sloppy, with too much regulation of harmless small business practice, and too little regulation of harmful big business practices. That's just one small example.

And maybe if more people, especially Republicans realized this, that they wouldn't be so duped by these silly conspiracy theories involving scientists being some cover for more government control. Maybe more Republicans could realize that the party needs a complete overhaul, because this attack on scientists and support of dirty environment business practices is the result of very large companies in mutual agreement with government officials, which is very dangerous.
Why is there such paranoia of too much government regulation, when we have government of checks and balances? If regulation gets out of control, the public has the power to change by voting out those in power.

What is much more scary in my opinion, is if there is too little government regulation, than large companies run the show like kings, because we have no say in what businesses do with their power and money like we can with the government, such that business become more powerful than the American public, which is just a doorstep away from fascism.

With that said, with our form of government, its easier than for tyranny to occur with too little government regulation. Like I said, its not that government has become too big, but it has become too sloppy, and mismanaged. Small, relatively harmless private operations take too much heat and pressure from the government, while big business aren't regulated enough. This is why there is much anti-science propaganda. Large companies have taken over too much influence of both parties, and sadly it seems that most things are accomplished through lobbying such that whichever organization or company throws more money at a politician, is how things get done.


Republicans should be for big business regulation, not against it, because it reduces the availability of business competition, fair practice, and the ability for super corporations to impact who becomes a part leader, and what gets done in office via lobbying. Sadly many republicans have forgotten that regulation of business is essential part of a stable conservative economy, where people have more freedom to reach his/her dreams, and that support of science is crucial to living and running the modern world. If we reject science and reject government regulation, we become paranoid, ignorant, and easily manipulated by movements that appose facts, i.e. the anti-science tea party movement.
Quoting 164. PensacolaDoug:



Runs on COAL!

...but with the contributions of - and possible trend toward - wind, hydro, solar, nuclear, etc etc etc.

When the car is designed to run on gasoline, the only option is oil.
Very seriously, read this article. There are people who are trying to effectively change our technology and energy problem at the same time. I remember how opposed people were when "horseless carriages" first came out. Everyone thought all the blacksmiths would lose their jobs.

Read this article, for real. Even if you are not a car aficionado.




Link
Quoting 164. PensacolaDoug:



Runs on COAL!


I think we've been here before. Just as vehicles are evolving and technology for cleaner energy usage is increasing, so is the technology for energy production. There is this common premise that electric cars are bad because power plants bun coal. That's just another excuse to avoid more sensible cleaner technology.

It's an excuse because alternative energy production is increasing, in fact its improving even faster than transportation. We already solar and wind, as well as ways of reducing coal emissions dramatically for coal plants still in place. We also have natural gas which is a good temporary replacement for coal, and we have nuclear.
Scientists are also hard at work on the future of fusion energy, and as I'm sure you know, the stars including our sun are stable fusion reactions.
When you support new, cleaner energy developments, you are supporting the scientific progress. If not, you are opposing it, which slows its progress.

Again, energy production alternatives have potential to become reality on a large scale even faster than transportation. So to oppose transportation alternative energy doesn't make sense.

Also, if there are power plants that are still coal, then, why not oppose it? Unless of course you aren't opposed to coal energy. Which then you are simply avoiding the fact that we need be the united as a people in supporting cleaner energy, it only makes sense.
Quoting 160. auburn:



My Mercedes gets 40mpg and runs on used cooking oil.


Now that is a dream car. You can drive and cook French Fries at the same time. :)
Stephen Dobie 24 October 2014

Nissan: next GT-R will be hybrid

‘R36’ version of Japan’s supercar slayer will embrace electric power, Nissan chief tells us. Oh, and it’ll be even faster

Quoting hurricanewatcher61:
Good, Hope the rain ends before 1:00pm then. Will see.
As I wrote on Thursday, the rain would begin in the late afternoon or evening, the "heaviest" rain would be overnight tonight, and there should be general clearing by tomorrow afternoon with a chance of a few showers on east central coast. The general rainfall should be less than an inch. The dry air that is in place over the northern Gulf is working over this trough and it's going to have a hard time developing. I wish it would and that it would have taken a more northeasterly direction but that's not going to happen.
Quoting Jedkins01:



That sounds like a good explanation. Although as a Republican, I don't understand why so many other Republicans have become so scared of regulation to the point of complete irrationality in regards to dealing with the concept of government regulation. While too much regulation does become oppressive and unproductive to an economy, which is the general base premise of Republican/Conservative politics, too little regulation is just as bad. The other problem is the fact that we argue over too much government or too little government. But how come there is less intelligent discussion over proper government, and proper placement of funds? Our problem is not too much government, but too much improper, sloppy government. Regulation is sloppy, with too much regulation of harmless small business practice, and too little regulation of harmful big business practices. That's just one small example.

And maybe if more people, especially Republicans realized this, that they wouldn't be so duped by these silly conspiracy theories involving scientists being some cover for more government control. Maybe more Republicans could realize that the party needs a complete overhaul, because this attack on scientists and support of dirty environment business practices is the result of very large companies in mutual agreement with government officials, which is very dangerous.
Why is there such paranoia of too much government regulation, when we have government of checks and balances? If regulation gets out of control, the public has the power to change by voting out those in power.

What is much more scary in my opinion, is if there is too little government regulation, than large companies run the show like kings, because we have no say in what businesses do with their power and money like we can with the government, such that business become more powerful than the American public, which is just a doorstep away from fascism.

With that said, with our form of government, its easier than for tyranny to occur with too little government regulation. Like I said, its not that government has become too big, but it has become too sloppy, and mismanaged. Small, relatively harmless private operations take too much heat and pressure from the government, while big business aren't regulated enough. This is why there is much anti-science propaganda. Large companies have taken over too much influence of both parties, and sadly it seems that most things are accomplished through lobbying such that whichever organization or company throws more money at a politician, is how things get done.


Republicans should be for big business regulation, not against it, because it reduces the availability of business competition, fair practice, and the ability for super corporations to impact who becomes a part leader, and what gets done in office via lobbying. Sadly many republicans have forgotten that regulation of business is essential part of a stable conservative economy, where people have more freedom to reach his/her dreams, and that support of science is crucial to living and running the modern world. If we reject science and reject government regulation, we become paranoid, ignorant, and easily manipulated by movements that appose facts, i.e. the anti-science tea party movement.
As an outsider, (not American)), congratulations, you're obviously a moderate,brilliant person. Unfortunately that's not the case for the majority of republicans now a days. Scary enough, most are taking a very dangerous road towards the "extremes".....
Quoting 173. HuracanTaino:

As an outsider, (not American)), congratulations, you're obviously moderate,brilliant person. Unfortunately that's not the case for the majority of republicans now a days. Scary enough, most are taking a very dangerous road towards the "extremes".....



Most? As in greater than 50%? Words mean things. Back this statement up.
Brian Lada, Accuweather


A powerful storm has moved into the Bering Sea and has become the most intense storm to ever impact the region.

The former Super Typhoon Nuri has tracked northward into the Bering Sea, located in between Alaska and Russia, and has lost all tropical characteristics.

The system has undergone rapid intensification, producing howling winds as the central pressure plummets to near record levels.

On Friday night, the Ocean Prediction Center analyzed the central area of low pressure to be 924 millibars.

This means that the storm has officially become the most powerful storm to ever move over the Bering Sea in recorded history in terms of central pressure.

Previous to this storm, the old record stood at 925 millibars from a powerful storm that moved over the Bering Sea on Oct. 25, 1977.

Full link

Link


Quoting Grothar:
Brian Lada, Accuweather


A powerful storm has moved into the Bering Sea and has become the most intense storm to ever impact the region.

The former Super Typhoon Nuri has tracked northward into the Bering Sea, located in between Alaska and Russia, and has lost all tropical characteristics.

The system has undergone rapid intensification, producing howling winds as the central pressure plummets to near record levels.

On Friday night, the Ocean Prediction Center analyzed the central area of low pressure to be 924 millibars.

This means that the storm has officially become the most powerful storm to ever move over the Bering Sea in recorded history in terms of central pressure.

Previous to this storm, the old record stood at 925 millibars from a powerful storm that moved over the Bering Sea on Oct. 25, 1977.

Full link

Link




924mb vs 925mb
Beat the old record by 1mb. That just seems a little interesting.
I wish a HH plane flew through the system and got a reading.
Quoting 132. jpsb:




Of course nearly 20 years without any real warming has absolutely nothing to do with some folks becoming somewhat skeptical about man made global warming. Maybe a little warming might help convince people they need to pay a carbon tax while they freeze in the dark of winter.
faster and faster

afternoon peeps nice cool wet day today outside
nice wrap up of our sea monster boo

Quoting 178. Sfloridacat5:



924mb vs 925mb
Beat the old record by 1mb. That just seems a little interesting.
I wish a HH plane flew through the system and got a reading.


You want to volunteer? :)

This article is a few hours old, so the new estimate may be 923.
everything remains on Course steady as she goes

Quoting 179. TropicalAnalystwx13:

I've always hated how politically discriminatory our country is. Generally, if you're a Republican, you're automatically hated by Democrats, and vice versa. And that's true for my family; for example, I went with my mom to watch her vote the other day, and she said "I'm gonna vote straight Republican to kick those Democrats out." I don't give a crap what party you're with as long as your ideas are logical (saying AGW is a hoax is not logical; denying gays the right to marry is not constitutional). I don't expect people to agree with all of my views, and I don't see why others think people have to.


TA, if it is any consolation, it gets worse as you get older.
Alaska's Aleutian Islands hit with 96-mph gusts as storm arrives.

Sustained winds of 70 mph and gusts up to 96 mph were recorded Friday morning on Shemya Island, where 120 people are waiting out the storm at the end of the island chain.

Link
Quoting 151. 62901IL:

any update on snow for my area?

d2 mon nov 10


Warning: The information on WeatherAlert-Forecast is not guaranteed to be up-to-date and is prone to large errors. Never use for important decision making. Please always refer to Environment Canada's public forecasts and warnings. UQAM decline any responsibility for the usage of these data.
189. txjac
Jedkins, how old are you and what do you do for a living?
Quoting 166. Jedkins01:




That sounds like a good explanation. Although as a Republican, I don't understand why so many other Republicans have become so scared of regulation to the point of complete irrationality in regards to dealing with the concept of government regulation. While too much regulation does become oppressive and unproductive to an economy, which is the general base premise of Republican/Conservative politics, too little regulation is just as bad. The other problem is the fact that we argue over too much government or too little government. But how come there is less intelligent discussion over proper government, and proper placement of funds? Our problem is not too much government, but too much improper, sloppy government. Regulation is sloppy, with too much regulation of harmless small business practice, and too little regulation of harmful big business practices. That's just one small example.

And maybe if more people, especially Republicans realized this, that they wouldn't be so duped by these silly conspiracy theories involving scientists being some cover for more government control. Maybe more Republicans could realize that the party needs a complete overhaul, because this attack on scientists and support of dirty environment business practices is the result of very large companies in mutual agreement with government officials, which is very dangerous.
Why is there such paranoia of too much government regulation, when we have government of checks and balances? If regulation gets out of control, the public has the power to change by voting out those in power.

What is much more scary in my opinion, is if there is too little government regulation, than large companies run the show like kings, because we have no say in what businesses do with their power and money like we can with the government, such that business become more powerful than the American public, which is just a doorstep away from fascism.

With that said, with our form of government, its easier than for tyranny to occur with too little government regulation. Like I said, its not that government has become too big, but it has become too sloppy, and mismanaged. Small, relatively harmless private operations take too much heat and pressure from the government, while big business aren't regulated enough. This is why there is much anti-science propaganda. Large companies have taken over too much influence of both parties, and sadly it seems that most things are accomplished through lobbying such that whichever organization or company throws more money at a politician, is how things get done.


Republicans should be for big business regulation, not against it, because it reduces the availability of business competition, fair practice, and the ability for super corporations to impact who becomes a part leader, and what gets done in office via lobbying. Sadly many republicans have forgotten that regulation of business is essential part of a stable conservative economy, where people have more freedom to reach his/her dreams, and that support of science is crucial to living and running the modern world. If we reject science and reject government regulation, we become paranoid, ignorant, and easily manipulated by movements that appose facts, i.e. the anti-science tea party movement.


Your party (Nixon) created the EPA, your party was once the conservation end of conservatism. The issue is at some point, Neo-Liberal ideology became the focus of the New Right. This change gave rise to splinter conservative groups under the guise of the Republican Party. Not all republicans are no tax, anti-government tea partiers, evangelicals, miltia members, overtly racist, new confederists, ultra conservative Christians who push for rule of law based on their beliefs...however, those people make up the larger group that is the Republican party and those people tend to yell the loudest Link.

That being said, I am not against republicans or conservatism, I am for societal stability, equality, and progress. Sometimes those ideas put me in line with the republican party, often it puts me at odds with them the same goes for the democrats. I have never belonged to a political party, I have been a registered independent my entire life. Until the republican party stops pandering to private corporate business interests over the public good, I think I will find myself at odds with them more often than not.
Quoting 164. PensacolaDoug:



Runs on COAL!
Hopefully one day soon it will run on seawater.


nice fall weather to be outside!


Quoting 179. TropicalAnalystwx13:

I've always hated how politically discriminatory our country is. Generally, if you're a Republican, you're automatically hated by Democrats, and vice versa. And that's true for my family; for example, I went with my mom to watch her vote the other day, and she said "I'm gonna vote straight Republican to kick those Democrats out." I don't give a crap what party you're with as long as your ideas are logical (saying AGW is a hoax is not logical; denying gays the right to marry is not constitutional). I don't expect people to agree with all of my views, and I don't see why others think people have to.


Yeah, that it is one of the main reasons both parties have become so polarized. Division leads to more division, it would be nice if we started being the United States of America again.
Quoting Grothar:


You want to volunteer? :)

This article is a few hours old, so the new estimate may be 923.


I'm hoping the center drifts back closer to Shemya.
The pressure has been dropping all day there.

They're currently reporting 27.96in. HG - That equates to 946mb.

What's remarkable is they've had sustained winds of 50-60 mph (peak gust 96) for at least 30 hours already.
Quoting 178. Sfloridacat5:



924mb vs 925mb
Beat the old record by 1mb. That just seems a little interesting.
I wish a HH plane flew through the system and got a reading.


I've always thought flying hurricane recon into unusually strong extratropical cyclones would be a good idea. Funding is always a problem though, and then the question would become, what definition would actually constitute a recon into an extratropical system?

It is a pretty cool idea I think, but its hard to say if its practical or not.
Quoting Jedkins01:


I've always thought flying hurricane recon into unusually strong extratropical cyclones would be a good idea. Funding is always a problem though, and then the question would become, what definition would actually constitute a recon into an extratropical system?

It is a pretty cool idea I think, but its hard to say if its practical or not.


I think with a system this strong it would be worth it.
When you're talking about historic storms in terms of pressure, it would be nice if we had a plane check them out.

I wonder if this storm (same strength and type) was approaching the Northeast U.S. (New York to Boston) you think the NHC would send a plane into it?
Quoting 113. ScottLincoln:


I think the usage of "subtropical" is more in the sense of "not quite tropical."

This would go for psuedo-tropical systems that are not quite extratropical and not quite fully tropical, so they would be "below tropical." This also works for climate regions both north and south of the tropics (don't forget the Southern Hemisphere). In those locations the climate has some characteristics of tropical, but not all, making it not quite tropical.
Sub as in "less than", as in "not achieving the standard of". A fair number of English words use this shade of the meaning.
Quoting 108. Abacosurf:


So what's the game plan?? Post on a message board or get into action? All I have seen here in the years of reading is hot air. Is that part of the warming? We need a plan for the 7 billion people to harmoniously live in nature and eat without using fossil fuels.. Do you have it? Do you live it?
When you say "ever" 4 times don't you mean in the past few hundred years?? My interpretation of ever is a little longer.


Never understood why talking about global warming and doing something about global warming are automatically assumed to be mutually exclusive activities.... as if it is impossible to do both...
Quoting 158. Grothar:
I'd really feel your commitment if you went to a Prius .... ;o)
All this talk makes me guilty about my Mercedes. Makes me want to go out and downgrade to a Lexus. I'll do my part.
Fastest electric car in the world..




Rimac Automobili unveils 1,088 horsepower Concept One electric supercar
When you need four digits and a comma to specify the amount of horsepower your car puts down, you know you're talking about something very, very special indeed. Such is the case for the Concept One, the first car from virtual unknown manufacturer Rimac Automobili, styled by designer Adriano Mudri. The firm (which is Croatian, not Italian, by the way) has created this machine and given it four electric motors. They combine for an astounding 1,088 horsepower but, perhaps even more importantly, enable torque vectoring across all four wheels -- varying the power at each corner to pull the car around turns.

That performance equates to a 0 - 62MPH time of 2.8 seconds, while the maximum range is rated as 600km (about 375 miles) thanks to a 92kWh lithium ion phosphate (LiFePO4) battery. It is, alas, just a concept for now, but with a little bit of funding the folks at Rimac hope to bring it to market. And we hope they do too.

They are looking into a prototype that will exceed 400 mph.
Quoting hydrus:
Fastest electric car in the world..




Rimac Automobili unveils 1,088 horsepower Concept One electric supercar
When you need four digits and a comma to specify the amount of horsepower your car puts down, you know you're talking about something very, very special indeed. Such is the case for the Concept One, the first car from virtual unknown manufacturer Rimac Automobili, styled by designer Adriano Mudri. The firm (which is Croatian, not Italian, by the way) has created this machine and given it four electric motors. They combine for an astounding 1,088 horsepower but, perhaps even more importantly, enable torque vectoring across all four wheels -- varying the power at each corner to pull the car around turns.

That performance equates to a 0 - 62MPH time of 2.8 seconds, while the maximum range is rated as 600km (about 375 miles) thanks to a 92kWh lithium ion phosphate (LiFePO4) battery. It is, alas, just a concept for now, but with a little bit of funding the folks at Rimac hope to bring it to market. And we hope they do too.

They are looking into a prototype that will exceed 400 mph.


Don't know about the 400 mph part for many reasons.
I think the record for the fastest production street car is around 267 mph (something like that).

When they get the price down to $37K, I'll take one.
Quoting 196. Sfloridacat5:

I wonder if this storm (same strength and type) was approaching the Northeast U.S. (New York to Boston) you think the NHC would send a plane into it?

Most definitely. It's not uncommon for recon to fly extratropical storms that might effect the Northeast.
Quoting 189. txjac:

Jedkins, how old are you and what do you do for a living?


I'm in my early 20's, and I'm a senior meteorology major at FSU.
Quoting Skyepony:

Most definitely. It's not uncommon for recon to fly extratropical storms that might effect the Northeast.


Yeah, I'm pretty sure they would too. With the number of people that could be affected by the system, it's pretty much a no-brainer.
GFS and ECMWF 12z runs coming in with a more favorable pattern for some type of snow storm to affect the eastern 3rd of the country. The negative NAO is much more west based with strong blocking over Greenland, coupled with a 50-50 low south of the ridge. Positive PNA synoptic scale ridging over Alaska gives way to significant troughing over the much of the CONUS.  The deterministic ECMWF 12z looked unreasonable with the low track by day 8 in contrast to the GFS 12z which shows a system tracking more to south as a result of strong HP to the north before turning up to the north.


Quoting 199. Sfloridacat5:



Don't know about the 400 mph part for many reasons.
I think the record for the fastest production street car is around 267 mph (something like that).

When they get the price down to $37K, I'll take one.
Remember, with the electric car there are no gears, no exhaust, and much lighter...I believe they will pull it off.
Quoting 203. Drakoen:

GFS and ECMWF 12z runs coming in with a more favorable pattern for some type of snow storm to affect the eastern 3rd of the country. The negative NAO is much more west based with strong blocking over Greenland, coupled with a 50-50 low south of the ridge. Positive PNA synoptic scale ridging over Alaska gives way to significant troughing over the much of the CONUS.  The deterministic ECMWF 12z looked unreasonable with the low track by day 8 in contrast to the GFS 12z which shows a system tracking more to south as a result of strong HP to the north before turning up to the north.



The GFS has snow and ice at the end of the run.

Quoting hydrus:
Remember, with the electric car there are no gears, no exhaust, and much lighter...I believe they will pull it off.


Anything possible. I'm just not sure what type of shape would be needed to hit those speeds.

Cars keep getting faster and faster. It wasn't that long ago when the 200mph barrier was broken for a production street car.

Just makes me think of how Funny Cars can hit 325 mph in 3.9 sec.
I don't think my body could handle that many Gs.

Quoting 198. hydrus:

Fastest electric car in the world..




Rimac Automobili unveils 1,088 horsepower Concept One electric supercar
When you need four digits and a comma to specify the amount of horsepower your car puts down, you know you're talking about something very, very special indeed. Such is the case for the Concept One, the first car from virtual unknown manufacturer Rimac Automobili, styled by designer Adriano Mudri. The firm (which is Croatian, not Italian, by the way) has created this machine and given it four electric motors. They combine for an astounding 1,088 horsepower but, perhaps even more importantly, enable torque vectoring across all four wheels -- varying the power at each corner to pull the car around turns.

That performance equates to a 0 - 62MPH time of 2.8 seconds, while the maximum range is rated as 600km (about 375 miles) thanks to a 92kWh lithium ion phosphate (LiFePO4) battery. It is, alas, just a concept for now, but with a little bit of funding the folks at Rimac hope to bring it to market. And we hope they do too.

They are looking into a prototype that will exceed 400 mph.


The cool thing about electric cars, is that they aren't as limited power wise as the internal combustion engine. The internal combustion design has just about peaked in terms of complete power. The electric motor however is only limited by energy storage. The more power you pout into it, the more power output. Electric cars also require much less working parts, and thus are less likely to have issues. When I worked in a warehouse, the electric lifted required much less maintenance and had less problems the gas ones.

Long story short, they have greater performance potential. The Tesla model S for example, is more fun to drive than most high end sports cars. Electric cars produce a feel of the future in terms of quickness and handling that outperforms gas cars, and so once they become affordable and practical in terms of range, they will make a great performance selling point.
Quoting 206. Sfloridacat5:



Anything possible. I'm just not sure what type of shape would be needed to hit those speeds.

Cars keep getting faster and faster. It wasn't that long ago when the 200mph barrier was broken for a production street car.

Just makes me think of how Funny Cars that can hit 325 mph in 3.9 sec.
I don't think my body could handle that many Gs.




Those cars are useless though for anything other than a dragstrip, so they are somewhat pointless unless you are a drag racer. I agree, though, I don't think I could handle that either.
Quoting 173. HuracanTaino:

As an outsider, (not American)), congratulations, you're obviously a moderate,brilliant person. Unfortunately that's not the case for the majority of republicans now a days. Scary enough, most are taking a very dangerous road towards the "extremes".....
I have a feeling a fair number of the "minority" groups in the Republican party atm have this way of thinking. Unfortunately young, non-white, female, naturalized, etc. supporters have been so thoroughly marginalized in favor of dogmatic extremists that it's easy to forget such people are even in the party.
Quoting 174. PensacolaDoug:




Most? As in greater than 50%? Words mean things. Back this statement up.
Far far too many polls out there to even make it worth his while, Doug. Guns, birth control, immigration, science, etc - on issue after issue Republicans have polled against moderate stances. Are you implying that the intelligent moderate forms a "silent majority" in the party??? Because they sure don't answer polls, or get on TV shows and talk sense, or get quoted in news articles.

I'd like to add that I've seen more tolerance in the young people from both parties than I've seen anywhere else. Perhaps it's within the nature of young people to be more accepting of differences, but certainly the current generation of 20-somethings seems considerably less anti- about everything than do their parents.

Quoting 206. Sfloridacat5:



Anything possible. I'm just not sure what type of shape would be needed to hit those speeds.

Cars keep getting faster and faster. It wasn't that long ago when the 200mph barrier was broken for a production street car.

Just makes me think of how Funny Cars can hit 325 mph in 3.9 sec.
I don't think my body could handle that many Gs.


One think I agree with Abacosurf on is that there's lots of good stuff going on out there, unfortunately usually drowned out by all the doomsayers. Judging by the composition of news shows, for every good thing that happens, 7 - 9 approaches to doom take place. ....
Quoting Jedkins01:


Those cars are useless though for anything other than a dragstrip, so they are somewhat pointless unless you are a drag racer. I agree, though, I don't think I could handle that either.


I've seen some electric drag cars and motorcycles.
The only electic cars doing 400mph in the near future will most likely be rocket shaped and tested out in the Salt Flats.
Quoting hydrus:
Fastest electric car in the world..




Rimac Automobili unveils 1,088 horsepower Concept One electric supercar
When you need four digits and a comma to specify the amount of horsepower your car puts down, you know you're talking about something very, very special indeed. Such is the case for the Concept One, the first car from virtual unknown manufacturer Rimac Automobili, styled by designer Adriano Mudri. The firm (which is Croatian, not Italian, by the way) has created this machine and given it four electric motors. They combine for an astounding 1,088 horsepower but, perhaps even more importantly, enable torque vectoring across all four wheels -- varying the power at each corner to pull the car around turns.

That performance equates to a 0 - 62MPH time of 2.8 seconds, while the maximum range is rated as 600km (about 375 miles) thanks to a 92kWh lithium ion phosphate (LiFePO4) battery. It is, alas, just a concept for now, but with a little bit of funding the folks at Rimac hope to bring it to market. And we hope they do too.

They are looking into a prototype that will exceed 400 mph.

For a million bucks FOB Zagreb, this should be a fast car...a really fast car. Rimac's only hope is to sell enough of these to petrobillionaires to get more money to build some additional cars. They are also the only ones with enough money to ship the car back to Zagreb every time it needs a warranty repair.

Phhttt...:-)
Quoting 175. Sfloridacat5:




Rain moving right on schedule late afternoon into West Central Fl. Going to be a nice light to sometimes moderate rain event. Should be out of here early in the morning so for those who are planning on suffering at the Bucs game, the weather should be beautiful. NWS if forecasting up to .75" for us.
Quoting 207. Jedkins01:



The cool thing about electric cars, is that they aren't as limited power wise as the internal combustion engine. The internal combustion design has just about peaked in terms of complete power. The electric motor however is only limited by energy storage. The more power you pout into it, the more power output. Electric cars also require much less working parts, and thus are less likely to have issues. When I worked in a warehouse, the electric lifted required much less maintenance and had less problems the gas ones.

Long story short, they have greater performance potential. The Tesla model S for example, is more fun to drive than most high end sports cars. Electric cars produce a feel of the future in terms of quickness and handling that outperforms gas cars, and so once they become affordable and practical in terms of range, they will make a great performance selling point.
Do you know how many people will go out of business as a result of electronic cars??? From horse sellers right down to blacksmiths. ...
Quoting 212. sar2401:


For a million bucks FOB Zagreb, this should be a fast car...a really fast car. Rimac's only hope is to sell enough of these to petrobillionaires to get more money to build some additional cars. They are also the only ones with enough money to ship the car back to Zagreb every time it needs a warranty repair.

Phhttt...:-)
Guess that's why it's a concept car ... for now .... loll

What we need is the Next Big Thing in energy production, something that seems quite small right now, but that in reality revolutionizes the way things are done....
Quoting Sfloridacat5:


I've seen some electric drag cars and motorcycles.
The only electic cars doing 400mph in the near future will most likely be rocket shaped and tested out in the Salt Flats.
The company is only claiming a 190 mph top speed. The 400 mph figures are coming from an automotive press that likes to foam over these concept cars. There's clearly no way a legally licensed car could hit 400 mph on a public roadway. If there were, all the police helicopters would have to be equipped with Hellfire missiles, since that's the only way you'd ever get one to pull over his reckless driving citation. ;-0
Quoting 189. txjac:

Jedkins, how old are you and what do you do for a living?
Jed's been around for a while, and is further proof of my strong belief that whole bunches of these blog "kids" could whoop the butts of the vast majority of their age superiors on here .... intellectually speaking, of course .... :o)

Quoting 198. hydrus:

Fastest electric car in the world..




Rimac Automobili unveils 1,088 horsepower Concept One electric supercar
When you need four digits and a comma to specify the amount of horsepower your car puts down, you know you're talking about something very, very special indeed. Such is the case for the Concept One, the first car from virtual unknown manufacturer Rimac Automobili, styled by designer Adriano Mudri. The firm (which is Croatian, not Italian, by the way) has created this machine and given it four electric motors. They combine for an astounding 1,088 horsepower but, perhaps even more importantly, enable torque vectoring across all four wheels -- varying the power at each corner to pull the car around turns.

That performance equates to a 0 - 62MPH time of 2.8 seconds, while the maximum range is rated as 600km (about 375 miles) thanks to a 92kWh lithium ion phosphate (LiFePO4) battery. It is, alas, just a concept for now, but with a little bit of funding the folks at Rimac hope to bring it to market. And we hope they do too.

They are looking into a prototype that will exceed 400 mph.
wunder how it would fare in -20 degree weather and 4 feet of snow on the ground
Sub 498dm at 500mb south of the Hudson Bay is absolute madness for November.


Quoting 212. sar2401:


For a million bucks FOB Zagreb, this should be a fast car...a really fast car. Rimac's only hope is to sell enough of these to petrobillionaires to get more money to build some additional cars. They are also the only ones with enough money to ship the car back to Zagreb every time it needs a warranty repair.

Phhttt...:-)
I love anything and everything with an engine. Years ago, we hand built go carts, mini bikes , and drag boats. One dude I knew took an 15 foot Aqua-sport, reinforced the transom , and put a 115 hp Evinrude on it. I took it out on a flat calm day and mashed the throttle. 80 mph on the water..One of the coolest things I ever did, mostly because I was 13 at the time. I did a lot of work on the V-16, Detroit Dieseis that powered the ocean tug I worked....They are absolutely awesome engines. Plenty of power to handle 25 footers towing a loaded barge bigger than a football feild.....fricken love it.
Quoting sar2401:
The company is only claiming a 190 mph top speed. The 400 mph figures are coming from an automotive press that likes to foam over these concept cars. There's clearly no way a legally licensed car could hit 400 mph on a public roadway. If there were, all the police helicopters would have to be equipped with Hellfire missiles, since that's the only way you'd ever get one to pull over his reckless driving citation. ;-0


Just dealing with drag at those speeds is incredible. That's why most vehicles achieving those type speeds usually looks like a rocket with wheels. You need a shape that will cut through the wind along with enough downforce to keep it from lifting off the ground.

The Hennessey Venom GT did 270 mph with 1244hp and a weight of 2743 lbs. This is a street legal car that can be driven on the street.

That record will surely be beat some time in the future, but most likely by a few mph at a time.
Quoting BahaHurican:
Guess that's why it's a concept car ... for now .... loll

What we need is the Next Big Thing in energy production, something that seems quite small right now, but that in reality revolutionizes the way things are done....
That would be nice. The key for electric cars is improved battery technology, and that's starting to happen, although costs are still way more than what most people can afford. I don't know that electric cars are really the ultimate answer in any case. In 1910, there were more electric cars registered in the United States than Tesla has produced so far. The market had almost disappeared by 1920, bumped off by the same issues we have today - cost, battery technology, charge time, and weight. The current crop of electric cars are addressing those issues, but I still have the feeling that EV's are just as much a technological dead end as they were in 1910. Like you say, some technology that's not in production yet, like fuel cells, is probably the way forward if and when the Thomas Edison of today gets it figured out.
Quoting 198. hydrus:

Fastest electric car in the world..




Rimac Automobili unveils 1,088 horsepower Concept One electric supercar
When you need four digits and a comma to specify the amount of horsepower your car puts down, you know you're talking about something very, very special indeed. Such is the case for the Concept One, the first car from virtual unknown manufacturer Rimac Automobili, styled by designer Adriano Mudri. The firm (which is Croatian, not Italian, by the way) has created this machine and given it four electric motors. They combine for an astounding 1,088 horsepower but, perhaps even more importantly, enable torque vectoring across all four wheels -- varying the power at each corner to pull the car around turns.

That performance equates to a 0 - 62MPH time of 2.8 seconds, while the maximum range is rated as 600km (about 375 miles) thanks to a 92kWh lithium ion phosphate (LiFePO4) battery. It is, alas, just a concept for now, but with a little bit of funding the folks at Rimac hope to bring it to market. And we hope they do too.

They are looking into a prototype that will exceed 400 mph.


...but how long does the battery last?
Here's what a 400mph (all electric) vehicle looks like.
All-Electric 'Buckeye Bullet' Shoots for 400 MPH

Ohio State University%u2019s Venturi Buckeye Bullet team has set its sights on 400 mph for 2015.
(Source: Denis Bouss, Venturi Automobiles)

Link
Oh - here's a link if you want more info
Quoting Articuno:


...but how long does the battery last?


I believe the new Lambo will have about a 30 mile range under full electric.
That could get me to work and back and that's about it.
Quoting Sfloridacat5:


Just dealing with drag at those speeds is incredible. That's why most vehicles achieving those type speeds usually looks like a rocket with wheels. You need a shape that will cut through the wind along with enough downforce to keep it from lifting off the ground.

The Hennessey Venom GT did 270 mph with 1244hp and a weight of 2743 lbs. This is a street legal car that can be driven on the street.

That record will surely be beat some time in the future, but most likely by a few mph at a time.
The key being going that fast on a pubic roadway. The Venom produced those speeds on a space shuttle runway. It's really a Formula One car that has enough changes to make it street legal - but not in the US so far - and for sure not in California. As Keep pointed out, it's probably not a car that would do well in some place like Toronto in the winter, but no one with $1.25 million to drop on a car really has to spend the winter in Toronto. :-)
Quoting sar2401:
The key being going that fast on a pubic roadway. The Venom produced those speeds on a space shuttle runway. It's really a Formula One car that has enough changes to make it street legal - but not in the US so far - and for sure not in California. As Keep pointed out, it's probably not a car that would do well in some place like Toronto in the winter, but no one with $1.25 million to drop on a car really has to spend the winter in Toronto. :-)


Out on the Salt Flats might be good.

There's an old airstrip near Miami where you could test your car's top speed.

But last I heard the place was shut down. It might be open again, but I'm not sure.
Quoting 218. KEEPEROFTHEGATE:

wunder how it would fare in -20 degree weather and 4 feet of snow on the ground
No problem..This snow mobile has been clocked at well over 200 mph...

Rain is getting closer. It should be a rainy night. I hope.
Quoting hydrus:
I love anything and everything with an engine. Years ago, we hand built go carts, mini bikes , and drag boats. One dude I knew took an 15 foot Aqua-sport, reinforced the transom , and put a 115 hp Evinrude on it. I took it out on a flat calm day and mashed the throttle. 80 mph on the water..One of the coolest things I ever did, mostly because I was 13 at the time. I did a lot of work on the V-16, Detroit Dieseis that powered the ocean tug I worked....They are absolutely awesome engines. Plenty of power to handle 25 footers towing a loaded barge bigger than a football feild.....fricken love it.
My brother and I were both big into drag racing in the 60's. We had a 1963 Chevy Nova we picked up as a salvage car in 1966 and managed to get an honest 265 horsepower out of the 230 cubic inch straight six with a combination of trips and a home built turbocharger. We could suck the doors off of anything else in our weight class. It needed 100 octane leaded gas but it still got 21 mpg on the highway, only one mpg less than the stock six. We thought we were hot stuff back then.

I've been disappointed that gas turbines haven't made any inroads into vehicle power. Most naval vessels and many cargo ships today are powered by gas turbines because of their relatively small size and weight, high power to weight ratio, and low specific fuel consumption compared to diesels. Chrysler gave gas turbines a half-hearted try in the 70's but never really put a lot effort or money into GT's. The technology of both gas turbine engines and production costs are so much better now than they were 40 years ago. I keep waiting for some of these bright young engineers to spend some time on gas turbines, but that seems to be a lost cause.
Quoting Sfloridacat5:
Rain is getting closer. It should be a rainy night. I hope.
Still lots of dry air streaming into north and central Florida. You might have a better chance for decent rain in south Florida, but the dry is really going to eat into the rain as it gets ashore further north. We still have a straight north wind with 42% humidity here, and that's usually not what you want to see for much rain in north or central Florida.
Quoting 230. sar2401:

My brother and I were both big into drag racing in the 60's. We had a 1963 Chevy Nova we picked up as a salvage car in 1966 and managed to get an honest 265 horsepower out of the 230 cubic inch straight six with a combination of trips and a home built turbocharger. We could suck the doors off of anything else in our weight class. It needed 100 octane leaded gas but it still got 21 mpg on the highway, only one mpg less than the stock six. We thought we were hot stuff back then.

I've been disappointed that gas turbines haven't made any inroads into vehicle power. Most naval vessels and many cargo ships today are powered by gas turbines because of their relatively small size and weight, high power to weight ratio, and low specific fuel consumption compared to diesels. Chrysler gave gas turbines a half-hearted try in the 70's but never really put a lot effort or money into GT's. The technology of both gas turbine engines and production costs are so much better now than they were 40 years ago. I keep waiting for some of these bright young engineers to spend some time on gas turbines, but that seems to be a lost cause.


My first car was a 1969 Mustang Grande with a 302 and after I destroyed that in short work I had a 1973 Mustang Convertible with a 351 Cleveland, that one I ended up with around 300HP to the wheels and got 12 MPG city. I am personally responsible for at least .002 C of global warming, but man was it fun. :)
Quoting hydrus:
No problem..This snow mobile has been clocked at well over 200 mph...

Yeah, Keep and Mrs. Keep would look good on that thing for a night on the town. ;-)
Quoting 212. sar2401:


For a million bucks FOB Zagreb, this should be a fast car...a really fast car. Rimac's only hope is to sell enough of these to petrobillionaires to get more money to build some additional cars. They are also the only ones with enough money to ship the car back to Zagreb every time it needs a warranty repair.

Phhttt...:-)



how are you going to drive a car at 400 mph without hitting something
Quoting sar2401:
Still lots of dry air streaming into north and central Florida. You might have a better chance for decent rain in south Florida, but the dry is really going to eat into the rain as it gets ashore further north. We still have a straight north wind with 42% humidity here, and that's usually not what you want to see for much rain in north or central Florida.


Yeah, it's going to take a while to moisten up the atmosphere.
Looks like it should be raining just to my north. So far no rain here at my location just southeast of Fort Myers.
Timing

- Sunday: The most significant band of snow will fall from parts of Montana into parts of the Dakotas. A second area of lighter snow may dust parts of the western Great Lakes (Wisconsin and Michigan).

- Monday: Snow, possibly heavy in spots, from the High Plains of Montana and Wyoming into South Dakota, central and southern Minnesota, much of Wisconsin and mainly northern Michigan. Some snow may develop late into parts of Colorado (both mountains/foothills and plains), northwest Kansas, Nebraska and Iowa as the arctic front plunges.

- Tuesday: Snow may persist from eastern Iowa into northern Michigan. Any rain may change to wet snow farther south over northwestern Missouri, northern Illinois, southeastern Wisconsin and southern Michigan.


snow!!
Quoting Naga5000:


My first car was a 1969 Mustang Grande with a 302 and after I destroyed that in short work I had a 1973 Mustang Convertible with a 351 Cleveland, that one I ended up with around 300HP to the wheels and got 12 MPG city. I am personally responsible for at least .002 C of global warming, but man was it fun. :)
We were building our dragster when 100 octane was still about 40 cents a gallon, so we didn't much care about fuel economy. We were just surprised that all that extra horsepower didn't really come with much of a gas mileage penalty. Engineers now get that much horsepower and more from four bangers so we were ahead of our time. Still nothing like the feel and sound of a big block V-8 though. My dream car was always the 1966 Goat with the 389 and trips. That thing looked and sounded fast sitting there. Even the current Mustang GT's have to use special mufflers to make them sound as mean as the GTO as it came from the factory. That was a whole different world back then. The only thing I knew about carbon dioxide was it was used in Coke and that carbon monoxide could kill me if I didn't open the garage doors up soon enough. :-)
The sky looks like it's going to snow here in Fort Myers. The only problem is it's 75 degrees outside.
The sky is that one consistant shade of gray.

By just looking out the window, it looks like it should be cold and about to snow.
Quoting Sfloridacat5:


Yeah, it's going to take a while to moisten up the atmosphere.
Looks like it should be raining just to my north. So far no rain here at my location just southeast of Fort Myers.
The models haven't done well with the dry air, and they have consistently overdeveloped the strength of the low. What might work out for you is the trough in the Gulf phasing with the trough currently coming down from the north. The low may stall off the east coast and drag enough moisture onshore to keep the chances of rain in south Florida going until Monday. There's plenty of moisture available once the dry air gets worked out and as long as you can get the flow straight across the Gulf. Unfortunately, no matter what happens there. we get nothing again. We're never going to get anything until we can get some zonal flow and typical Plains lows started again. These polar vortex fronts/weird cutoff lows just leave S Alabama high and dry.
Didn't Notre dame almost beat Florida State?
Arizona St. 31, Notre Dame 3. (11:12 2nd Qtr)

Indian Hills, Riverside, California (PWS)
Updated: 1:25 PM PST on November 08, 2014
Clear
86.6 °F / 30.3 °C
Clear
Heat Index: 83 °F / 28 °C
Humidity: 15%
Dew Point: 34 °F / 1 °C
Wind: 7.0 mph / 11.3 km/h / 3.1 m/s from the WSW
Wind Gust: 11.0 mph / 17.7 km/h
Pressure: 29.94 in / 1014 hPa (Falling)
Quoting 239. sar2401:

We were building our dragster when 100 octane was still about 40 cents a gallon, so we didn't much care about fuel economy. We were just surprised that all that extra horsepower didn't really come with much of a gas mileage penalty. Engineers now get that much horsepower and more from four bangers so we were ahead of our time. Still nothing like the feel and sound of a big block V-8 though. My dream car was always the 1966 Goat with the 389 and trips. That thing looked and sounded fast sitting there. Even the current Mustang GT's have to use special mufflers to make them sound as mean as the GTO as it came from the factory. That was a whole different world back then. The only thing I knew about carbon dioxide was it was used in Coke and that carbon monoxide could kill me if I didn't open the garage doors up soon enough. :-)


Quoting 244. PedleyCA:

Didn't Notre dame almost beat Florida State?
Arizona St. 31, Notre Dame 3. (11:12 2nd Qtr)

Indian Hills, Riverside, California (PWS)
Updated: 1:25 PM PST on November 08, 2014
Clear
86.6 °F / 30.3 °C
Clear
Heat Index: 83 °F / 28 °C
Humidity: 15%
Dew Point: 34 °F / 1 °C
Wind: 7.0 mph / 11.3 km/h / 3.1 m/s from the WSW
Wind Gust: 11.0 mph / 17.7 km/h
Pressure: 29.94 in / 1014 hPa (Falling)


Toronto Pearson Int'l Airport
Date: 4:26 PM EST Saturday 8 November 2014




Condition:Light Rainshower
Pressure:29.7 inches
Tendency:falling
Visibility:8 miles
Temperature:42.1°F
Dewpoint:37.4°F
Humidity:83%
Wind:SSW 12 gust 19 mph
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:


There you go. An electric bike that costs $3,700, goes 20 mph and 27 miles on a charge, sold by a company who doesn't have any actually ready for production, and whose website doesn't work. It will charge your iPhone though. I'm gonna be first in line for the IPO on this one...:-)
Quoting Sfloridacat5:
The sky looks like it's going to snow here in Fort Myers. The only problem is it's 75 degrees outside.
The sky is that one consistant shade of gray.

By just looking out the window, it looks like it should be cold and about to snow.
Looks about the same here although we are getting actual cold advection. It's 61 after a low of 35 but it just looks like it should be a lot colder.
I think its another one of those concept ideas I guess
Quoting hurricanes2018:



how are you going to drive a car at 400 mph without hitting something
If I can afford a million dollar car I'd just let my lawyers and insurance company worry about anyone or anything I hit. People that spend a million dollars on anything aren't like you or me.
us little people will get stuck with the bike there will be no million dollar car for us
244. PedleyCA
4:41 PM EST on November 08, 2014
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Didn't Notre dame almost beat Florida State?
Arizona St. 31, Notre Dame 3. (11:12 2nd Qtr)


Yeah, but the Seminoles are not all that! They lose next week.
(just teawking Jedkins ;-)

Our weather followed the NWS forecast, no rain down here(S miami) yet although the skies are very gray. Looking at radar it will be hit and miss for me.
Quoting 247. sar2401:

There you go. An electric bike that costs $3,700, goes 20 mph and 27 miles on a charge, sold by a company who doesn't have any actually ready for production, and whose website doesn't work. It will charge your iPhone though. I'm gonna be first in line for the IPO on this one...:-)


link to working web site

Link
Member Since: July 15, 2006 Posts: 175 Comments: 55003

Well done Keeper............
site for the beast offroad ebike

Link
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
I think its another one of those concept ideas I guess
Well, they are selling some of the cheapies (like less than US $2,000) but they're still trying to get the money together for the expensive ones. Their website came back up, so I thought I'd find the closest dealer so I could look at one. Apparently, it's about 20 miles from your house. They will ship me one ($500) and give me a video about how to do my own predelivery inspection...for free! No word on how I get it back to Toronto if the predelivery inspection doesn't go well.
258. MahFL
Quoting 207. Jedkins01:



.... once they become affordable and practical in terms of range...


Never going to happen.
:)

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE AMARILLO TX
303 PM CST SAT NOV 8 2014

.DISCUSSION...TONIGHT THROUGH SATURDAY

SUPER FRIGID TERRIFYING POLAR EXPRESS STORM VORTEX SNOWPOCALYPSE
STILL LOOKS ON TRACK FOR NEXT WEEK
. ALL KIDDING ASIDE...SOME OF THE
HYPE IS WORTH BUYING INTO. FIRST OFF...IT WILL CERTAINLY GET MUCH
COLDER THAN ANYTHING WE`VE FELT SINCE EARLY MARCH, OVER 8 MONTHS
AGO! IN FACT...THE LAST TIME AMARILLO`S HIGH TEMPERATURE WAS COLDER
THAN 44 DEGREES WAS MARCH 2ND. ALSO...IT WILL STAY COLD...FROM
TUESDAY MORNING THROUGH NEXT WEEKEND AT LEAST. THOUGH SNOW CHANCES
REMAIN TOO EARLY TO REALLY PIN DOWN, THERE ARE A FEW SIGNS THAT SNOW
COULD FALL NEXT FRIDAY NIGHT (30 PERCENT CHANCE RIGHT NOW).
Bad winter ahead of us. I look for at least 2,possibly 3 major storms along the Eastern Seaboard!
beast prices start at 1599 3 models to chose from
Quoting 260. overwash12:

Bad winter ahead of us. I look for at least 2,possibly 3 major storms along the Eastern Seaboard!
i hope you are right i love the snow
263. txjac
Quoting 241. Sfloridacat5:

The sky looks like it's going to snow here in Fort Myers. The only problem is it's 75 degrees outside.
The sky is that one consistant shade of gray.

By just looking out the window, it looks like it should be cold and about to snow.


We saw that the other day at work ..couple of us are from Ohio and Michigan so we were laughing about it
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:


link to working web site

Link
I found that as I was digging around. I was reading their prospectus, where they have to tell most of the truth about the company and their products, or they get in big trouble. You can imagine my disappointment when I read -

On the majority of Daymak’s 38 different light electric vehicles, which are manufactured by third-parties in China, Daymak carries out redesign and retrofit process at its facility in Toronto, Ontario (and in certain instances directly in China) prior to such products being offered for sale via Daymak’s distribution channels as Daymak-branded products.

And here I thought they were a Canadian company making things in Canada...
Quoting 255. PedleyCA:

Member Since: July 15, 2006 Posts: 175 Comments: 55003

Well done Keeper............
thanks ped
everything is made in china nowadays sar
267. txjac
Quoting 264. sar2401:

I found that as I was digging around. I was reading their prospectus, where they have to tell most of the truth about the company and their products, or they get in big trouble. You can imagine my disappointment when I read -

On the majority of Daymak’s 38 different light electric vehicles, which are manufactured by third-parties in China, Daymak carries out redesign and retrofit process at its facility in Toronto, Ontario (and in certain instances directly in China) prior to such products being offered for sale via Daymak’s distribution channels as Daymak-branded products.

And here I thought they were a Canadian company making things in Canada...


And they are probably using lots of petro products to produce ...shame
Umm, people, this is a tropical climate discussion forum. Why is there so much chatter about cars? There are plenty of car and motor forums for petrol heads - stay there please.
There is really interesting global weather going on as in teh medicane, the alaska mega storm but you are stuck on bloody motor cars? Please people - we dont have enough hours in the day...
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
us little people will get stuck with the bike there will be no million dollar car for us
Yeah, I don't expect to see Tim Cook driving to the office charging his iPhone on one of those bikes. Maybe he'd do it for a green photo op though, now that I know the e-bikes are probably made in the factory across the road from the iPhones. :-)
270. txjac
Quoting 268. ekogaia:

Umm, people, this is a tropical climate discussion forum. Why is there so much chatter about cars? There are plenty of car and motor forums for petrol heads - stay there please.
There is really interesting global weather going on as in teh medicane, the alaska mega storm but you are stuck on bloody motor cars? Please people - we dont have enough hours in the day...


Where from ekogaia? How's your weather?
Mine has been just hovering around 68 ...cold coming to me on Wednesday
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
everything is made in china nowadays sar
Yeah, I know, I was just hoping this time it was different. Dang. Thanks for all the things you do cleaning up around here too.
Quoting 268. ekogaia:

Umm, people, this is a tropical climate discussion forum. Why is there so much chatter about cars? There are plenty of car and motor forums for petrol heads - stay there please.
There is really interesting global weather going on as in teh medicane, the alaska mega storm but you are stuck on bloody motor cars? Please people - we dont have enough hours in the day...
actually its more in focus to get away from normal gas cars and promoting more electric type for our not too distant future

consider it as an anti global warming crusade
Quoting ekogaia:
Umm, people, this is a tropical climate discussion forum. Why is there so much chatter about cars? There are plenty of car and motor forums for petrol heads - stay there please.
There is really interesting global weather going on as in teh medicane, the alaska mega storm but you are stuck on bloody motor cars? Please people - we dont have enough hours in the day...
It's not actually a tropical discussion forum, it's a weather/climate, and cars affect the climate forum. I can tell you're from the UK though. How's the tropical weather over there?
274. txjac
Quoting 272. KEEPEROFTHEGATE:

actually its more in focus to get away from normal gas cars and promoting more electric type for our not too distant future

consider it as an anti global warming crusade


That's how it started anyway today ...loved it when abscosurf (sp?) started this conversation. Nice to hear about future technologies.
275. MahFL
Quoting 260. overwash12:

Bad winter ahead of us. I look for at least 2,possibly 3 major storms along the Eastern Seaboard!


"Bad" is subjective, a lot of snow is good for the winter outdoor recreation business, and others.
Would you people please stay on topic. How did you all get started on cars today, anyway? You all get so easily distracted. Sheesh!!!!
277. txjac
This is good news

"The National Weather Service says there have been no reports of injuries or serious damage in the monster storm that smacked into the western Aleutians on Friday."

Link
Quoting MahFL:


"Bad" is subjective, a lot of snow is good for the winter outdoor recreation business, and others.
Depends on far down the east coast it all gets. They wouldn't like it in Savannah. Regardless, most winters I remember in Cleveland had a number of snowstorm from about now until Easter. When did that switch from "typical" to "bad"?
Quoting Grothar:
Would you people please stay on topic. How did you all get started on cars today, anyway? You all get so easily distracted. Sheesh!!!!
LOL. Got a line on that downsized Lexus yet? :-)
Quoting 279. sar2401:

LOL. Got a line on that downsized Lexus yet? :-)
reproted.!
Quoting txjac:


That's how it started anyway today ...loved it when abscosurf (sp?) started this conversation. Nice to hear about future technologies.
Really. People here have such a wide range of interests and skills that almost anything that gets brought up has me scampering over to Google to find out what they're talking about. The discussion about alternate energy to transport is a good example. OTOH, it there really was a big storm headed to Florida, that would be different. :-)
Quoting hydrus:
reproted.!
As long as I'm not repotted...
Quoting txjac:
This is good news

"The National Weather Service says there have been no reports of injuries or serious damage in the monster storm that smacked into the western Aleutians on Friday."

Link
It really helps, if we have to have a monster storm, to have it hit an area where hardly anyone lives, and those that do live there are in the Alaska equivalent of bomb shelters.
So far just some mist or drizzle (really light) at my location a little S.E. of Fort Myers.
All the rain is going north of my area!!

The rain setup better shift to the south tonight or we're going to miss out again.
Judging by the series of massive dry slots that have formed in the area of rain moving over Fl, Orlando may not get as much as expected. The dry slots are perfectly lined up to move over this area.
Quoting 206. Sfloridacat5:



Anything possible. I'm just not sure what type of shape would be needed to hit those speeds.

Cars keep getting faster and faster. It wasn't that long ago when the 200mph barrier was broken for a production street car.

Just makes me think of how Funny Cars can hit 325 mph in 3.9 sec.
I don't think my body could handle that many Gs.




Above 140mph high speed becomes an aerodynamic rather than just a power problem and you need better shape optimization to maintain stability on the road.

Not a problem with my old toyota which did 0-60 in about 90 seconds. Very reliable in subzero weather. It would reliably not start. But it lasted through undergraduate, low paying internship, and graduate school.. 10 years as primary car and it was seven years old when I bought it.


I finally froze in my DC metro backyard this morning. It's time. Mid November looks pretty cold for the time of year, I have to agree there.

Quoting 276. Grothar:

Would you people please stay on topic. How did you all get started on cars today, anyway? You all get so easily distracted. Sheesh!!!!

Memory fails in the twilight years Grother.
Remender that you were not about to trade in your Mercedes a couple of pages ago?
Top 10 High temps in the US are in SoCal today...
High Temp.
City Station ID Temp.
Van Nuys, CA KVNY 89 °F
Miramar MCAS, CA KNKX 88 °F
Thermal, CA KTRM 88 °F
El Centro, CA KNJK 88 °F
Palm Springs, CA KPSP 88 °F
Fullerton, CA KFUL 87 °F
Santa Ana, CA KSNA 87 °F
Ramona, CA KRNM 87 °F
Riverside March, CA KRIV 87 °F
Imperial, CA KIPL 87 °F
Seems we are sliding out of summer drought season and into the wet mud season, in smpathy with the Italian peninsular this last week, with at least 3 days so far throwing it down with rain.
Good news of course after the 6 month annual drought season.

Whats happening at "Sea Zero," with the Alaskan record low?
Quoting 289. PlazaRed:

Seems we are sliding out of summer drought season and into the wet mud season, in smpathy with the Italian peninsular this last week, with at least 3 days so far throwing it down with rain.
Good news of course after the 6 month annual drought season.

Whats happening at "Sea Zero," with the Alaskan record low?


still there spinning away drifting a little east south east at the moment

Quoting 287. PlazaRed:


Memory fails in the twilight years Grother.
Remender that you were not about to trade in your Mercedes a couple of pages ago?


lol.

Well, we just got our 550 last month and I think it will be my last car. I don't drive enough anymore to affect the carbon footprint anyway.
How is things in PR? NWS has several damage reports of trees, crops, power poles down & power outages, mudslides & floods.
Quoting 272. KEEPEROFTHEGATE:

actually its more in focus to get away from normal gas cars and promoting more electric type for our not too distant future

consider it as an anti global warming crusade
The truth is many people are buying hybrids and electric cars. They are a bit expensive, but the price tag is getting lower..Fueling up at home is convenient to say the least, and electric outlets are increasing in number. It will not be long when see many electric cars. It does not take long for them to pay for themselves, and there should not be as many problems with breakdown, like motorcars which need more maintenance.
Quoting 291. Grothar:



lol.

Well, we just got our 550 last month and I think it will be my last car. I don't drive enough anymore to affect the carbon footprint anyway.

Is that a big bore conversion for the Fiat 500?
Quoting 262. hurricanes2018:

i hope you are right i love the snow
Lots of fun!
Looks like December.

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NASHVILLE TN
239 PM CST SAT NOV 8 2014

.DISCUSSION...
RATHER SHARP UPPER TROUGH AXIS DOWN THROUGH SOUTHEAST MISSOURI INTO
WESTERN ARKANSAS...WITH SURFACE FRONT IN EASTERN MIDDLE TENNESSEE.
SOMEWHAT NARROW BAND OF LOW DECK STRATOCU WORKING INTO WESTERN
KENTUCKY...WILL SWING THIS WAY THIS AFTERNOON INTO EVENING. LOW
DECK SHOULD GET EAST OF INTERSTATE 65 LATER IN THE EVENING OR TOWARDS
MIDNIGHT AND OFF THE PLATEAU LATE NIGHT OR AROUND DAYBREAK. LOWS
TONIGHT IN THE MIDDLE 30S WITH HIGHS ON SUNDAY IN THE 50S AS SURFACE
RIDGE BUILDS ACROSS THE REGION. ON MONDAY...AN ABNORMALLY STRONG...FOR
THIS TIME OF THE YEAR...A 1053 MBAR SURFACE HIGH WILL BE CENTERED
OVER BRITISH COLUMBIA AND ALBERTA PROVINCES OF CANADA THAT WILL
DRIVE A COLD FRONT DOWN INTO THE HIGH PLAINS ON MONDAY AND INTO
THE MID STATE TUESDAY AND TUESDAY NIGHT
WITH A GOOD CHANCE FOR
SHOWERS. HIGHS IN THE 60S MONDAY AND TUESDAY AHEAD OF THE FRONT
BUT HIGHS WILL BE IN THE 40S WEDNESDAY THROUGH END OF THE WORK
WEEK. LOWS IN THE 30S MID WEEK AND IN THE 20S FRIDAY MORNING. THIS
IS GOING TO BE SOME PRETTY CHILLY AIR BUT FORTUNATELY THE AIR MASS
GETS MODIFIED BEFORE ARRIVING.

Another sign pointing to a harsh winter.
Quoting 196. Sfloridacat5:



I think with a system this strong it would be worth it.
When you're talking about historic storms in terms of pressure, it would be nice if we had a plane check them out.

I wonder if this storm (same strength and type) was approaching the Northeast U.S. (New York to Boston) you think the NHC would send a plane into it?


Winter Aircraft Recon is planned through the NCEP/NCO SDM (Senior Duty Meterologist) per The National Winter Storms Operations Plan, Chapter 2 Aircraft Reconnaissance
Quoting 296. hydrus:

Looks like December.


It's beginning to look a lot like Christmas.

Quoting 300. GTstormChaserCaleb:

It's beginning to look a lot like Christmas.

next sunday is the santa claus parade up here then it will start too look like Christmas for the holiday shopping season as all the stores and people start to decorate there stuff
Quoting 276. Grothar:

Would you people please stay on topic. How did you all get started on cars today, anyway? You all get so easily distracted. Sheesh!!!!


you were involved in the car talk too Gro. :P
Quoting 296. hydrus:

Looks like December.


gonna feel like it too by end of next week
Whoever contributed to writing this discussion for the Melbourne, Fl. NWS must have gone to the Joe Bastardi school of hype-weather writing. What a discussion for what amounts to a forecast of extreme sprinkles.
.
.
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MELBOURNE FL
400 PM EST SAT NOV 8 2014

.DISCUSSION...

..RAIN SPREADING INTO THE PENINSULA...

CURRENT...
FEW MODERATE CONVECTIVE SHOWERS POPPED UP ALONG THE ECSB AND LAKE O
BREEZE OVER THE SRN THREE COS...EVEN A LONE SHOWER NOTED JUST SE OF
KMLB. OTRW...MID LEVEL TROUGH HAS REACHED THE CTRL GOMEX WITH LARGE
SWATH OF CLOUDS/RAIN ABOUT TO MOVE ONSHORE THE WEST COAST. THE
LEADING EDGE OF THE PRECIP ECHOES WILL WEAKEN AS RAIN FALLS INTO
RESIDUAL DRY LAYER BTWN H50-H85....BUT WITH SUCH STRONG LIFT MOVING
OVERHEAD...EXPECT A MOSTLY STEADY LIGHT RAIN TO SETTLE OVER MOST
AREAS THIS EVENING...AND CONTINUE OVERNIGHT. SMALL CHANCE FOR
EMBEDDED TS...MAINLY ACROSS THE SOUTH WHERE MODEST WARM SECTOR
INSTABILITY WILL EXIST.

SUNDAY...
LEAD MID LEVEL SHORT WAVE TROUGH WILL PHASE WITH NRN STREAM
DISTURBANCE JUST WEST OF THE STATE BY ~18Z...THEN CREEP SLOWLY EWD
THROUGH EARLY EVENING. WHILE THE LEAD SFC LOW PRES WAVE NE OF THE
BAHAMAS SQUIRTS OFF TO THE NE...THE TRAILING WAVE GETS CAPTURED BY
THE H50 FEATURE AS IT GOES FROM POS TO NEUTRALLY TILTED (EVENTUALLY
CUTTING OFF ON MON). THIS RESULTS IN THE LOW REMAINING QSTNRY
THROUGH THE DAY (AND BEYOND). WHILE THE MAIN SWATH OF RAIN WILL BE
EXITING TO THE EAST...ABUNDANT MOISTURE/FORCED ASCENT WILL KEEP
SCATTERED TO NUMEROUS SHOWERS DEVELOPING ACROSS THE CWA. WIDESPREAD
CLOUDS/PRECIP WITH NRLY FLOW WILL KEEP MAX TEMPS ONLY IN THE
L70S...SO WAS TEMPTED TO REMOVE MENTION OF TS...HOWEVER GIVEN THE
COLD AIR ALOFT ASCD WITH THE MID LEVEL TROUGH/LOW...WILL LEAVE THE
SMALL CHC IN THE GRIDS.

SUN NIGHT-MON...
FORWARD MOTION OF THE GOMEX STORM SYSTEM WILL BE SLOWER THAN PREV
FCSTS AS IT PULLS UP TO MERGE WITH A FRONTAL TROF PUSHING ACRS THE
LWR MS RIVER VALLEY. HIGHER PRECIP CHANCES WILL RESULT AS THE LOW
REQUIRES MORE TIME TO PUSH ACRS CENTRAL FL AND INTO THE OPEN ATLC.
MOISTURE FIELD ASSOCD WITH THE GOMEX SYSTEM IS QUITE EXTENSIVE WITH
THE H100-H70 90PCT ISOHUME EXTENDING INTO THE BAY OF CAMPECHE. MID
LVL DYNAMIC SUPPORT WILL BE PLENTIFUL AS WELL AS THE VORT AXIS OF
THE FRONTAL TROF MERGES WITH THAT OF THE GOMEX SYSTEM.

INCREASED POPS AND LOWER TEMPS THRU SUN NIGHT TO REFLECT THE SLOWER
TIMING. LIKELY POPS S OF THE CAPE...CHC POPS ELSEWHERE RANGING FROM
40/50PCT COASTAL VOLUSIA/ST. JOHN`S RIVER BASIN/OKEECHOBEE...
30/40PCT N OF THE I-4 CORRIDOR. NRLY WINDS AND RAIN COOLED AIR WILL
DROP TEMPS INTO THE U50S/L60S OVER THE INTERIOR...AND INTO THE L60S
ALONG THE COAST.

WRAP-AROUND MOISTURE WILL LINGER INTO MON....etc, etc.
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
gonna feel like it too by end of next week

keep, what's this all about?
Member Since: July 15, 2006 Posts: 175 Comments: 55003

and yeah, I bet the temp should drop to 20F in my area. :)
Quoting 303. KEEPEROFTHEGATE:

gonna feel like it too by end of next week
I heard someone say there wouldnt be any cross polar flow. Looks like its crossing just fine..if one believes the Euro..
anyone willing to bet that I'll make 1800 comments by Veteran's day?
Quoting 306. hydrus:

I heard someone say there wouldnt be any cross polar flow. Looks like its crossing just fine..if one believes the Euro..

Looks bad Keep. I knew we were in a bad form when the lone hummingbird came to the flowers and did not even stick his beak in. He headed straight south. My prediction is a miserably cold winter.
JeffMasters has created a new entry.
Quoting Skyepony:
How is things in PR? NWS has several damage reports of trees, crops, power poles down & power outages, mudslides & floods.
Yes this persistent low pressure has been quite a headache, is been raining since wednesday, we had a break Thursday but then the low went over hispaniola with all the wet side in top of us, today its getting better, but lots of damages, floods, electric failures, all around the island, including our smaller islands Vieques and Culebra....
Okay, class. What were you talking about the last hours, hmm? Speedy cars?? Lol!

Doc is going to change subject soon, I suppose. But if you like to grasp an impression how it is to be in the eye of a true medicane, click the following link, as the video isn't available on youtube yet. BTW, Linosa is a very small island north of Lampedusa, and I have to confess I didn't know it exists until now ;-)

Linosa nell'occhio del ciclone
Lampedusa E Linosa (Agrigento) - 7 Novembre 2014



Edit: Dang!! A minute too late, lol! So you'll never watch it ...
So far just sprinkles here and I think I see the back end of the precipitation coming into view on Tampa radar. If this is indeed the case, we'll be lucky to get 0.2" rain here.
Quoting 300. GTstormChaserCaleb:

It's beginning to look a lot like Christmas.




Snow before Thanksgiving? Bah humbug! Funny thing is, i used to look like the home alone kid when i was 9.
Quoting 244. PedleyCA:

Didn't Notre dame almost beat Florida State?
Arizona St. 31, Notre Dame 3. (11:12 2nd Qtr)

Indian Hills, Riverside, California (PWS)
Updated: 1:25 PM PST on November 08, 2014
Clear
86.6 °F / 30.3 °C
Clear
Heat Index: 83 °F / 28 °C
Humidity: 15%
Dew Point: 34 °F / 1 °C
Wind: 7.0 mph / 11.3 km/h / 3.1 m/s from the WSW
Wind Gust: 11.0 mph / 17.7 km/h
Pressure: 29.94 in / 1014 hPa (Falling)


Sure, but sports are weird, for example, Georgia beat Missouri 39-0, Missouri beat Florida by 40 points, then Florida upsets Georgia by over 30 points.

Notre Dame is a good team that's had a bad day. FSU has had its bad days and hasn't lost. Only one other team left can say that and that's Mississippi State.
Its difficult to tell who is really the best given the emotional nature of an individual game, along with all the random crazy things that can happen that shape a game.
Quoting 304. CosmicEvents:

Whoever contributed to writing this discussion for the Melbourne, Fl. NWS must have gone to the Joe Bastardi school of hype-weather writing. What a discussion for what amounts to a forecast of extreme sprinkles.


Must have had some REALLY boring weather lately.