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Quiet Atlantic; possible development near Nicaragua this weekend

By: Dr. Jeff Masters, 3:21 PM GMT on November 08, 2007

The Atlantic is currently quiet, but all four reliable models are forecasting a tropical depression may form in the extreme southern Caribbean on Saturday or Sunday. The storm is expected to move westward, and hit southern Nicaragua on Monday. The extreme southern Caribbean is the only region of the tropical Atlantic with low enough wind shear to support tropical cyclone formation in the coming week. Residents of Costa Rica and Nicaragua should anticipate the possibility of heavy rains this weekend, and a tropical disturbance is already bringing heavy rains to these countries today. Wind shear is expected to be 20-40 knots for the next 48 hours, which should prevent any development until Saturday.

Wunderblogger Mike Theiss has posted his chase account of 'Noreaster Noel in Nova Scotia. The 100+ foot high wave he saw was quite impressive!

Jeff Masters
Kids play on fallen tree
Kids play on fallen tree
Kids play on a fallen tree left behind from Noel the Nor'easter. Copyright Mike Theiss

The views of the author are his/her own and do not necessarily represent the position of The Weather Company or its parent, IBM.

Reader Comments

this what Nicaragua dos not need more rain
Agreed Taz~ Last 5 days..

Morning, Flood.
sky cant we send that rain too GA or CA then Nicaragua they dont need it and if Nicaragua keeps geting more rain soon it will be under water way under water
Taz~ right after I find time to make my invention that creates areas of high or low pressure on demand..lol.
Morning all.

Wish that TD would drop some rain on the southern USA.

Gotta run. Dentist!

kat, how are you?
Mannnnn, he really got some GREAT pics!!
Too bad we couldn't have an invisible wall down there,central america and mexico do not need any more rain.
trying to think of the name of the new desert that is going to form in the SE if they don't get some rain pretty soon.
I'm good kat...doing a litle revision right now, listening to Joe walsh
Life's been good to me so far!!
*hums Eagles tune*
18. katadman 10:26 AM CST on November 08, 2007
Life's been good to me so far!!



Just ordinary, average guys
19. BajaALemt 10:28 AM CST on November 08, 2007
*hums Eagles tune*



LOL


My Maserati does 185. But my steeda doesn't. And neither did the wind this year, thankfully. Well here, at least :-D

LOL.......Kat :)) ...see what you started?
Gotta run. Tell the family (including Kim) that I say "Hi". Miss all you guys.
I will do that, kat...when are coming up for BBQ?
Yeah, Baha. I've been known to be a troublemaker.
Don't you worry about it,
I'll worry about it

I started it, Baja...you know me, pretty much a sh@t disturber
I lost my license
Now I don't drive

steeda, how you this morning?
Soon. I'll find a pretext to make it a "business" trip.
Monkey business, that is.
You see 'em on the street
Left and right

LOL, kat...we'll both write it off...
Hope y'all enjoy your day today....Im out, off to work ..chow!
Boogie in da Blogs...I like It.
Work it like this...Merica
So long, Baja...hippie waif LOL
They say I'm crazy but I have a have a good time
I'm just looking for clues at the scene of the crime

Pat, you got that right LOL
Ciao for real this time. I'm gone.
..little spin in the dry air off miami..maybe half a "naked swirl"??
Whoa!, this will get some reactions here for sure!

Weather Channel Founder: Global Warming ‘Greatest Scam in History’
Link
38. StormW 11:28 AM CST on November 08, 2007
Hey Flood,

I guess I kinda put out the same thing Dr. Masters says in his update,, only 2 hours prior! LOL!



Great minds think alike...not to mention that a proper interpretation of the data at hand will likely result in similar synopses...you, sir, are the man!
39. stillwaiting 11:30 AM CST on November 08, 2007
..little spin in the dry air off miami..maybe half a "naked swirl"??



Sure looks that way...
afternoon. anything we should be watching?
Stormhype...what would his opinion have any merit? He has no background in climatology.
40. StormHype 11:30 AM CST on November 08, 2007
Whoa!, this will get some reactions here for sure!

Weather Channel Founder: Global Warming %u2018Greatest Scam in History%u2019



Extreme statements from either camp are ridiculous and insult everyone's intelligence; Coleman's statements are as foolish and poorly thought out as any extremist statement that the sea level will rise 20 meters in the next century. The truth is in between, and it's pretty damned smug to think that one or the other is correct. I'll state it again: you cannot introduce large quantities of anything into a closed system and expect it to cause no change to the system overall, and anyone that says any differently has an agenda of their own, and it's not for the general good, I assure you. That having been said, running around screaming the sky is falling is just as harmful in the other direction...the testosterone levels in the GW debate need to be knocked down a notch or 6, you think?
43. Pink1986 11:43 AM CST on November 08, 2007
afternoon. anything we should be watching?


A very small area of the SW Carib,is about all, though there a number of interesting features to look at
So, the Klee Klee hawks have returned to the Keys as have the turkey vultures. Local lore says this signals the end of 'H' season. Any thoughts?
so, is hurricane season over? what does everyone think? Is there an official date when it is called over?
48. Pink1986 11:56 AM CST on November 08, 2007
so, is hurricane season over? what does everyone think? Is there an official date when it is called over?



The Atlantic Hurricane is traditionally figured to run from June 1st to November 30th; until the end calendar date is reached, I'm very reticent to say it's over, Turkey Buzzards and Klee-klee Hawks notwithstanding LOL
hey folks. hows things today?
S-L-O-W, Bone...how you doing?
after hurricane season, what does the region that is affected my hurricanes need to be concerned about as far as the weather goes?
Thanks Dr.Masters for the consistent yet quiet update.
52. Pink1986 6:05 PM GMT on November 08, 2007
after hurricane season, what does the region that is affected my hurricanes need to be concerned about as far as the weather goes?


Trolls, Severe Weather, The Weather Channel you know the usual stuff.
52. Pink1986 12:05 PM CST on November 08, 2007
after hurricane season, what does the region that is affected my hurricanes need to be concerned about as far as the weather goes?



For the Gulf Coast and Florida it's the dry season, traditionally, though the last year or two there's not much difference between the dry season and the rainy season...wind shear tends to be high and repeated cool/cold fronts through the area keep the atmsophere fairly dry
why would a troll come onto a weather blog? That seems kind of pointless, because no one will listen to them, and they will soon fade away.
Hey, sporteguy...wazzup?
56. Pink1986 12:09 PM CST on November 08, 2007
why would a troll come onto a weather blog? That seems kind of pointless, because no one will listen to them, and they will soon fade away.



You don't come in here much, huh? LOL
I see that its slow flood :) Oh well. Im doing good.
Hi Floodman,
Just perusing the blogs and reading the comments.
In my region of S.W. Florida from Nov-May is the dry season.
Towards the end of the dry season it is also fire season. We have a lot of very dangerous wild fires.
This year will most likely be a very bad fire season.
no, I don't come in here. I am relatively new.
I am amazed that my local forcast offices say two completly diffrent things for my area. One has me slight chance (30%) of a rain snow mix the other office is saying first measurable snowfall of around 1 inch. One says the Low misses the area entierly the other says we get clipped.

Gees with forcats like that I better just look out the window LOL.
62. Pink1986 12:13 PM CST on November 08, 2007
no, I don't come in here. I am relatively new.



Well, there tends to be some strife over opposing viewpoints, as well as folks that come in and just disagree with someone for no better reason than to start a fight...then there are the mental giants who pop in in mid September and say things like, "Well, that's it, hurricane season is over"...

For the most part though this is a great place to pick up information on all kinds of weather, from Hurricanes (everyone's interest) to Nor'easters (our friend Bone's forte) to drought and GW (thiough we try not to bring that subject up...LOL)...welcome!
63. Bonedog 12:14 PM CST on November 08, 2007
I am amazed that my local forcast offices say two completly diffrent things for my area. One has me slight chance (30%) of a rain snow mix the other office is saying first measurable snowfall of around 1 inch. One says the Low misses the area entierly the other says we get clipped.

Gees with forcats like that I better just look out the window LOL.



I used to love the winter forecasts in STL...one would say ice accumulations to 1" and the other would say mixed winter precip changing over to snow; ice accumulations negligable and snow to 3 inches
You're welcome, StormW! How you doing this afternoon?
Welcome aboard Pink. Glad to see freash faces in here. Dont worry about the trolls LOL you should be able to spot them fairly quickly and be able to stifle them with the lovely ignore button LOL

ANyways Welcome and feel free to ask as many questions as you want. Most folks are eager to help :)

Im looking at the models now Flood. I guess its dependant on which ones you look at right now. There doesnt seem to be any concensus to them :(
Before you go Storm i have a quick question. If there is moisture present in the atmosphere could the pressure gradiant between to systems be able to force it out?
Bone, it looks like everyone is talking about the low dropping under 990mb at about 72 hours, but there's pretty good disparity as to location on the conditions overland...
Hey,flood,bone,you guys must be talking about the east coast low
exactly Flood. All dependant on how close it forms to the coast. But like I just asked Storm is it possible to force the moisture out of the atmosphere between to systems. If the Coastal Low and the one moving in from the Ohio Valley get close enough I am wondering if that could be the mechanism for precip. If it is, then we could see a large change in forcast
the top of this blog says there was a 100 foot wave in Nova Scotia. Isn't that abnormally high? That sounds like a tseunami.
Thanks Storm. I was just wondering.

Guess its back to the charts to check the isotherms and upper air analysese to see if there will be a WAA or CAA zone over the area.

Time to pull up the met 201 course guides LOL
Stormhype...what would his opinion have any merit? He has no background in climatology.


Frank, does Al Gore have any background in climatology? At least Coleman was the weatherman on ABC's GMA for seven years. Sure it doesn't qualify him as an expert in climatology but it's more hands on experience than Al Gore can wish he had.
Pink in a storm of the size Noel was 100 foot waves are more common than you would think. The average 1/3 of the waves were over 45 feet. So a few would be big enough to clear the 100 foot mark.

There was one recorded in the 90s at the Dropner Oil Platform off Nova Scotia that toped 105 feet even though the average waves were only 30 feet.
Doesn't Al Gore have an education in climatology? How else could he write that movie?
Did Nova Scotia suffer any damage due to the waves? Do they need assistance?
Pink probably some beach erosion. Nothing major though.
Doesn't Al Gore have an education in climatology? How else could he write that movie?


He hired an expert.... Michael Moore. LOL
bone,it sure looks like nova scotia and newfoundland may get it bad again this time.
V.P. Al Gore's NOAA Weather Radio PSA

Link



nova scotians are a tough people,they get slammed constantly all winter,nothing seems to faze them.
85. StormW 12:33 PM CST on November 08, 2007
81. Floodman 1:30 PM EST on November 08, 2007
Storm, are you sanding or feathering the seams with a damp sponge?

Actually, when I applied the 2nd and 3rd coat to the seams...I feathered it so well, that it's smooth as glass.



Well done, sir!
That it does NE. They are used to it though. Being stuck out into the Atlantic like they are
I'm sorry, Patrap, I do not understand. Were the lawyers involved in Al's movie about GW?
93. StormHype 12:40 PM CST on November 08, 2007
Doesn't Al Gore have an education in climatology? How else could he write that movie?


He hired an expert.... Michael Moore. LOL



Again, denying it's happening defies science and logic, but saying the world is going to end on Wednesday is a bit extreme the other way
No, Al Gore was illustrating statistical data which had been provided to him by the scientific community. It was biased visually, but if the presentation had been more numerical/statistical, and thus more scientific, the movie wouldn't have had any viewers.
100. Pink1986 12:44 PM CST on November 08, 2007
I'm sorry, Patrap, I do not understand. Were the lawyers involved in Al's movie about GW?



Pink, you a Betty Page fan? LOL
Hey Bone-can you imagine out on a 30 foot day and have a 100 footer catch you on the inside? ...In 40 degree water...with 40 knot winds....with arm & leg cramps...with great whites lurking among the somewhat submerged rocks....
104. groundswell 12:46 PM CST on November 08, 2007
Hey Bone-can you imagine out on a 30 foot day and have a 100 footer catch you on the inside? ...In 40 degree water...with 40 knot winds....with arm & leg cramps...with great whites lurking among the somewhat submerged rocks....



Niiice...who are you, Stephen King?
Yes, I like Betty Paige.



franck, so, Al's movie would have been more like a classroom lecture, and not won an award?
Ground that would be remincent of Mavricks LOL

And no I couldn't. I surfed a 20 foot day a few years back and those things looked like houses coming at us and I did get caught inside on a 30 footer. When I finally stopped going through the washing machine I had to sit on the beach for a half hour LOL I cant imagine 30 foot sets with a rogue 100 footer.
107. Bonedog 6:51 PM GMT on November 08, 2007
Ground that would be remincent of Mavricks LOL

And no I couldn't. I surfed a 20 foot day a few years back and those things looked like houses coming at us and I did get caught inside on a 30 footer. When I finally stopped going through the washing machine I had to sit on the beach for a half hour LOL I cant imagine 30 foot sets with a rogue 100 footer.

sounds like that wave in the movie the perfect storm,that did them in
yea NE that actually was represented quite well in the movie.
Again, denying it's happening defies science and logic, but saying the world is going to end on Wednesday is a bit extreme the other way


I agree. Neither Coleman nor Gore have a clue. Gore made a movie and Coleman made that statement for the same reasons... publicity stunts, both backed by nothing but rhetoric.

When I was a grade school kid in Michigan in the 1970's the environmental extremists had my school teachers convinced that the next ice age was imminent for us, and we better prepare. 30 years later they have been debunked. Likely the same debunking will happen to all those sensationalizing the effects of GW 30 years from now. We'll look back and chuckle.
I hear ya-been in similar situation...nuts!
yea totally nuts. but so worth it :)
When I was a grade school kid in Michigan in the 1970's the environmental extremists had my school teachers convinced that the next ice age was imminent for us, and we better prepare. 30 years later they have been debunked. Likely the same debunking will happen to all those sensationalizing the effects of GW 30 years from now. We'll look back and chuckle.


Absolutely...I wish the posing would finish so we can get to the real deal behind GW and figure out what needs to be done...I beleive that we've done something to the climate, you just can't dump into the environment like we have and not see some kind of cause and effect, but YIKES, these guys are really losing sight of the real issue here...

"Al Gore is a liberal idiot"
"No, Coleman is a reactionary twit"

Ahhh, the Climatological dogfight...makes you wonder what they're trying to camouflage with all this hugga-mugga, huh? That didn't sound paranoid, did it? LOL
Once upon a time I surfed in a snowstorm in NY-actually very cool (well, cold)-no wind, just large snowflakes hitting the water-no one out..grey sky, grey water and you could hear the "snow on the water"
Yeah, Pink, my uncle, the old reprobate, had quite the Betty collection...
mavericks FTW!!!

/i've never been
/love surfing
/simulation stops now
groundswell, that sounds beautiful. I know people who have donw that. my local break is smyrna
yea ground I had several of those sessions. Quiet and peaceful yet something strange wearing 10 lbs of wetsuit and basically being in a hypothermic state and enjoying it :)
115. Floodman 7:06 PM GMT on November 08, 2007
Yeah, Pink, my uncle, the old reprobate, had quite the Betty collection...

must have been that time period,lol, when my grandfather passed a way,and werer cleaning all the stuff out,we came across a ton of her pics.
119. NEwxguy 1:13 PM CST on November 08, 2007
115. Floodman 7:06 PM GMT on November 08, 2007
Yeah, Pink, my uncle, the old reprobate, had quite the Betty collection...

must have been that time period,lol, when my grandfather passed a way,and werer cleaning all the stuff out,we came across a ton of her pics.



She was "it" in the 50s...my uncle had some rather interesting studies of her LOL
I know this is a weather blog, but if you surf, then you know you "feel" the weather: be it a local wind switch or distant long period swell. And your expending energy to ride energy....oh oh too heavy, I'll stop.
Did you ever see her biography,she was an interesting woman,quite a life
122. NEwxguy 1:17 PM CST on November 08, 2007
Did you ever see her biography,she was an interesting woman,quite a life


I actually just went to her Fan site...wow, 84 and still going. She had quite a life!
yea ground I know exactly what you mean about feeling the weather. As a wise old timer once told me..."if your in tune with nature then she will reward you with the surf. Fight her and she will do the same."
121. groundswell 1:16 PM CST on November 08, 2007
I know this is a weather blog, but if you surf, then you know you "feel" the weather: be it a local wind switch or distant long period swell. And your expending energy to ride energy....oh oh too heavy, I'll stop.



I've never surfed, grew up landlocked...you know, the whole "Chicken Joe" thing..."I'm from Lake Mighigan, dude...that's where I surf"

Something I've always wanted to do
Go on, though, groundswell, Bone...
there are folks that surf up on the Lakes. GreenBay actually has a surf club thats pretty prominent. LOL
hey folks!
Howdy, Lake...



I think Winter is here.
it gets pretty choppy out there on the lakes...it can be a hoot! And no sharks to eat you, either!!! Just industrial waste...
hey Shadow
afternoon shadow
Lakes-that is a consideration...my son's foot was ripped apart by a shark back in 1998.
Hey, Amy
hey flood,bone and NEwxguy..
whats going on there in the Car. Is that an invest? Y'all think that it'll do as the Dr. says...
wow swell hope he is alright?
136. LakeShadow 7:39 PM GMT on November 08, 2007
hey flood,bone and NEwxguy..
whats going on there in the Car. Is that an invest? Y'all think that it'll do as the Dr. says...

appears not to be any great concern,except possibly more rain where they don't need it
134. groundswell 7:37 PM GMT on November 08, 2007
Lakes-that is a consideration...my son's foot was ripped apart by a shark back in 1998.

yikes!!!
Whenever I enter an environment where I'm not the apex predator, all bets are off...
134. groundswell 1:37 PM CST on November 08, 2007
Lakes-that is a consideration...my son's foot was ripped apart by a shark back in 1998.


Ground, are you really aware of them around you? I've body surfed a good deal in Florida (hey, I lived in a land-locked state, but I did visit) and I've seen shots from helicopters showing fair sized sharks close in (100 yards or closer) to shore...I remember being touched and bumped, but never by anything I thoght was all that big...
Bone-major surgery but he's ok-still surfs....
Flood I dont know about down in Florida but we are aware of them in the line ups here in NJ. usually are waters ar not clear enough to actually see them but we do notice shadows. Usually we watch the bait fish schools. If the start freaking out and we notice a lone shadow usually you will see folks raising their feet out of the water.

Last year though we had one go through the line up with its dorsal above the water. I gave Jesus a run for his money on how fast I walked across the water.
glad to here ground.
heres a school off New Smyrna

141. groundswell 1:41 PM CST on November 08, 2007
Bone-major surgery but he's ok-still surfs....


Good deal, ground
In America many of us fall into the trap of judging ideas and facts simply because we do not like the messenger. That is a symptom of the moralistic nature of our nation. If you don't like something, call it evil and go bomb it.
What on earth does the character or personality traits of either Coleman or Gore have to do with global climate change?
You know Bone, I was thinking of going Sat to Smyrna but thanks for the pic, I'll stay on the Ponce side!
LOL swell.
Last year though we had one go through the line up with its dorsal above the water. I gave Jesus a run for his money on how fast I walked across the water.

RLMAO!
No doubt!
just an FYI for everyone.

If you have a child and bought them AquaDots get RID OF THEM NOW!!!! They are being recalled because the glue that holds them together, if swallowed, turns into GHB in the stomach! Yes thats right the Date Rape drug is part of the glue that makes them stick together.

Go to CNN to see the full report
Link
150. Bonedog 7:57 PM GMT on November 08, 2007
just an FYI for everyone.

If you have a child and bought them AquaDots get RID OF THEM NOW!!!! They are being recalled because the glue that holds them together, if swallowed, turns into GHB in the stomach! Yes thats right the Date Rape drug is part of the glue that makes them stick together.

Go to CNN to see the full report

I saw that on the news,it turns into the chemical they use for date rape.
I know many bitten by sharks. Pretty common here in east central FL.

Looks like a bunch getting evacuated infront of big surge east of England

wow guess the flood gates on the Thames will be getting a work out :(

"There is a risk of flood defences being over-topped on the coast and in tidal rivers, especially in East Anglia, particularly the Norfolk Broads and the coast south of Great Yarmouth including Lowestoft, and areas south of this as far as the coast of Kent."

weather.gov
National Weather Service

Marine Interpretation Message

A STATIONARY SURFACE TROUGH EXTENDS FROM HAITI TO SOUTHEASTERN
NICARAGUA. NORTHERLY WINDS OF 20 TO 25 KT ARE FILTERING
SOUTHWARD FROM THE NORTHWESTERN CARIBBEAN SEA TO THE WEST OF THE
TROUGH. THIS CONDITION WILL CONTINUE FOR THE FIRST 24 HOURS
OF THE FORECAST PERIOD

No mention of development yet..
153. Bonedog 8:07 PM GMT on November 08, 2007
wow guess the flood gates on the Thames will be getting a work out :(

"There is a risk of flood defences being over-topped on the coast and in tidal rivers, especially in East Anglia, particularly the Norfolk Broads and the coast south of Great Yarmouth including Lowestoft, and areas south of this as far as the coast of Kent."

wonder if thats our nor'easter that went by us last weekend
No mention of development yet..


It's throwing some light convection and looks to be seeing some fair shear (15-20 knts, more?) out of the SW...I can't really tell if it's got a trend in it's movement or just drifting...
hello everyone.
its not NE Noel spun to the Northwest over greenland right now its circualtion is below the artic circle between Greenland and James Bay

Howdy, Drak
hey Floodman
hey Drak
158. Bonedog 8:31 PM GMT on November 08, 2007
its not NE Noel spun to the Northwest over greenland right now its circualtion is above the artic circle between Greenland and James Bay


lol,thats pretty amazing
yup
whats this about:

Tidal wave heading for English Channel poses 'extreme danger to life'

A three-metre tidal surge is predicted to surge down the English Channel in the next 12 hours posing an "extreme danger to life and property", experts have warned.

Coupled with storms and high tides, the wave could leave swathes of the east coast under water, according to the Environment Agency.

A combination of gale force winds off the coast of Scotland and high tides are expected to cause floods which could breach sea defences.



Prime Minister Gordon Brown chaired an emergency Cobra committee meeting on Thursday, as low pressure and strong winds caused a North Sea tidal surge.


oh - looks like a combination of stuff. Hope ti goes well for them.
the Low affecting England appears to have been a storm over open waters that went over Greenland a few days ago. If I remeber correctly its was a Pacific Northwest system that went over the Great Lakes last week just before Noel went through, tracked across Greenland the was pushed south on the Jet to the NW of Iceland
wonder if thats our nor'easter that went by us last weekend

According to this, what is left of Noel is moving west over far northern Canada:



That storm is one that recently developed:

Noels complete track and forcasted movement:

166. MichaelSTL 8:39 PM GMT on November 08, 2007
wonder if thats our nor'easter that went by us last weekend

According to this, what is left of Noel is moving west over far northern Canada:


thanks Stl,bonedog just mentioned that.
oops wrong graphic LOL

one sec
here is the current one effect England. It only starts off NewFoundland but its a PNW system
yea this is a big system impacting them. I saw a report that likens the system and possible effects of the 1953 system that flooded alot of the country. Since then they have built several flood mitigating systems but a report I read earlier says they may be overtoped this time around.

Not a good day in England at all :(
get the feeling the north atlantic is not a nice place especially as winter approaches
for those wondering about Fridays system...

the overland component


the coastal low


its all going to be about the timing. If they develope near the coast close to the same time there could be enough forcing and lift to have some effects in NJ, SE NY, CT, RI and possibly Cape Cod as far as precip goes. There is some cold air in place that may be pooled deep enough to give a coating in the higher elevations away from the coast. Look for tides to run around a half foot to a foot above normal.
not a good place for a storm,but looks like it will be far enough out,as you said timing is everything
Now that is an interesting picture. Nothing happening anywhere.

Yea NE its going to be about timing. I think thats why alot of the forcast offices have such differing forcasts.

The ingrediants are in place but the mix might not be right. We have moisture low in the atmosphere, cold air in place, both an approaching low from the Great lakes, A developing Coastal Low, and a new moon.

All going to be about timing and exact track. I am keeping my eye on it during the overnight and will issue the forcast in the AM.
bone,
look forward to it,most of the mets up here aren't worried,except maybe the cape and the islands,its definitely going to get windy around here with pressure gradient.
It seems I am in the wrong place at the wrong time (or the other way round?)

They expect in the Netherlands stormwinds of 8 baufort.. which is pretty strong. Coupled with stormsurge...
Start of the autumn/winter - storm season.

( allthough I'm Dutch, I'm living in Switzerland - meaning I'm missing the "fun")
Starwomen you are in the right place.

Yes very powerful system to effect that region.
for everyone.

Force 8 on the Beaufort Scale

8 34-40knts Gale
On the water: Moderately high (13-20 ft) waves of greater length, edges of crests begin to break into spindrift, foam blown in streaks
On the Land: Whole trees in motion, resistance felt walking against wind

>resistance felt walking against wind<

LOL, that means you have to take care not to been blown away!!!
Children should stay indoors...

You're right Bone, I'm better of here.
That will be an nasty piece of wettter.
They have a very good warningsystem though. the Durch are used to stormy wetter.
181. Bonedog 9:11 PM GMT on November 08, 2007
for everyone.

Force 8 on the Beaufort Scale

8 34-40knts Gale
On the water: Moderately high (13-20 ft) waves of greater length, edges of crests begin to break into spindrift, foam blown in streaks
On the Land: Whole trees in motion, resistance felt walking against wind

lol,thanks for the clarification,I needed that
just looked at the BBC wetaher site and they are calling for force 6 to 9 at most northern locations with gusts over 68mph
heres a link to the whole scale

Link

Whole trees in motion...awesome!
Star you are corrdect about the warnings system. Looking at the BBC site and then following the links to the environment agency UK I was amazed how well they detail there warnings and forcasts.

Maybe NOAA should take a look LOL
oops sorry folks I gave the on land and on water from the old beaufort scale here is the discriptions on the updated version Link

view picture for sea state

On Land: Twigs broken from trees. Cars veer on road

Bone-nice photos-looks like a big differance between a 8 & 9. Where do you find this stuff?
I gave the link in my last post for the revised beaufort scale.

The phots and the info are from wikipedia
I stoped at 9 here are the other three



JFlorida, it's the gradient that'll kill ya
this has to be the strangest wave graph I have ever seen in my life... EVER

Air Temperature (ATMP): 41.4 °F

Water Temperature (WTMP): 52.2 °F

Wind Chill (CHILL): 26.6 °F

Wind Speed (WSPD): 52.1 kts

A whole new dimension to "miserable"!
Look at this QS pass from this morning

That looks like an extrapolation wave.
beats me swell. I checked the wave data from the surrounding area and they all jump from 14-18 feet to 20 to 30 feet almost the exact same way that graphic looks
not fit for man or beast
hell no NE.
"Thanks Dr. Masters, kiss kiss kiss".
good night all,and good luck to our friends in England
seen it twice already JFl. If you look with the naked eye looks like a fuzzy star. Binoculars show it as a fuzzy tennis ball. My 8" telescope shows the tendrals of the tail
Thanks I will look for it.

There are some really good pics in that folder.
no problem.
Look at this pic from the 53 flooding in the Netherlands:

January 31, 1953, The Netherlands




FACTS AND FIGURES

Area of damage: over 1000 miles of coastline damaged

Sea defences and sea walls breached in over 1000 places

Over 30 000 people were evacuated from their homes

307 people were killed (over 1800 across in the Netherlands, around Zeeland)

Over 20 000 homes were flooded

Power stations, gasworks, sewage works and water supplies were disrupted. Saltwater contaminated the water supply in Hunstanton.

100 miles of the road network was temporarily impassable, and 200 miles of railway network was out of action

Over 40 000 head of livestock were lost

Over 150 000 acres of farmland were inundated, and were not usable for several years

Jobs were affected as over 200 industrial premises were damaged

The damage was estimated at 50 million (1953 prices)


The coastal defence of Flanders was also severely damaged. Near Oostende, Knokke and Antwerp heavy damage was done to the seadefence with local breaches. 28 people died.



Zeeland Netherlands


North Sea flood of 1953
wow and there about to go through that again :(

What a shame. Lets hope the folks heed the warnings and prepare
holy crap...

January 1, 1992, The New Year's Day Storm... while Statfjord-B in the North Sea recorded wind gusts in excess of 145 knots
I didnt realize how bad they had it over there.
I guess winter is just a nightmare there. As bad or worse than tropical season here.

UK MET OFFICE
yea seems to be.
Well, taiste was saying they name all of the winter events, highs and lows...
hey Flood.

yea I rember him saying that. I hope he isnt in the path of this thing
He's in Finland...not to mention that he's on top of all of this happiness all the time; got some of my best Euro-weather links from him.

It's currently 10:40 in London...it should be getting pretty interesting east of there
Flood can I get some of those links? I want to see this system in action.

wow.... this evenings QS pass

they are officially classifing this as hurricane force at 18 UTC

Here's a few:

Eumetnet:
Link

MeteoFrance:
Link

This is going to be the one, I think:
Free University of Berlin Met Page:
Link
Here's the current chart...look at what's over Sweden...the system that's causing the happiness, I think, is named Tilo:

Tilo looks to be running over the top of Scotland right now...
thanks flood
yup thats the one


I cant believe how many names they use over there. And you can buy a name for yourself. LOL imagine the caos here if we were able to buy names and if the NWS named every high and low that met criteria
AAIIEEEE! Sorry...vivid imagination. You notice that the Euromets are saying that the Low over Sweden is ex-Noel?
yea I see that. Guess they didnt follow it as closely as I did LOL either that or they need glasses :)


I want to adopt a name for a sytem..... BUMSEN
Great another reason to raise gas prices. Tomorrow we might see the 100 dollar a barrel benchmark.
Here's the current German weather radar...lots of precip rolling in:

Link
Laufen Sie, allegemeines fur Ihre leben! Auch Gott! Bonedog hat eine sturm namen gegeben! Gotterdamerung? Eine farbelhaftes nam' fur ein sturm, ja? Bumsen? warum Bumsen?
I want a system named Bumsen

Bumsen?
LOL Floodman. Ich wünschte Bumsen als der Sturmname. Bonedog würde auch kühl sein
bumsen... Fcuk
btw flood Im italian. Im using an online translator
der Bonedog ist kuhl...hier ist dem ausschrift:

Sturm Namen

Es ist auf Englisch
Floodman, I cant help but noticing noel on there. That thing just wont give up.
LOL...Bonedog wants to be cool too...you're killin' me, bro
Bone, I'm still laughing over "Bonedog würde auch kühl sein"...ahhh God, I don't know why,it struck me as funny as hell...
:) Flood I try
I haven't spoken auf Deutsch for so long that I'll be honest, if I'm reading a German webpage I occasionally have to resort to the translator myself...
You're Italain, from 'Jersey...that's nearly a cliche, Bone
Conditions at Vostok,Antartica Link
almost sounds to me like if I said it it would sound like

Bonedog wordauction
243. Floodman 6:23 PM EST on November 08, 2007
You're Italain, from 'Jersey...that's nearly a cliche, Bone


thanks flood

238. Spetrm 5:18 PM CST on November 08, 2007
Floodman, I cant help but noticing noel on there. That thing just wont give up


Hey, Spet! Yeah, I'm not sure they're right...seems Noel made a hard left at Greenland...last I knew, I though he was a little spin back towards the Bering sea somewhere...Bone tracked him as well and he agrees
246. Bonedog 5:24 PM CST on November 08, 2007
243. Floodman 6:23 PM EST on November 08, 2007
You're Italain, from 'Jersey...that's nearly a cliche, Bone

thanks flood



You know I didn't mean anything by it...
actually you dont know how much of a cliche I really am
Meteosat 5 image of an extratropical low impacting Norway:



OSEBERG, Norway (ENOA) reported sustain winds of 64 knots gusting to 78 knots.



244. Patrap 5:23 PM CST on November 08, 2007
Conditions at Vostok,Antartica Link



Pat, did you notice the ad for the dating service: "Meet singles in Vostok"? LOL
What happens in Vostok, stays in Vostok...
You actually seem to be a cliche "Rennaisance Man"...
well im off to commute home. See everyone tomorrow AM
252. Patrap 5:29 PM CST on November 08, 2007
What happens in Vostok, stays in Vostok...



It better...nothing there but penguins, elephant seals and several scientists suffering from the worst cabin fever in history...
I'm right behind you Bone...hold the door!
S'long folks!
Extratropical Storm Noel

latestDeaths so far
Britain: 9
Germany: 7
The Netherlands: 4
Czech Republic: 3
France: 2

First Metal For the Orion Manned Spacecraft.
Mockup No.1 for the abort Rocket Tests.

Link

Dryden is using the mockup to develop and verify integration and installation procedures for things like avionics, instrumentation, and wire harness routing in advance of the arrival of the first abort flight test article, called "Boilerplate 1."
evening all - Hi Pat, how are you? I didn't get a chance to see this mornings' nonsense until now. People say stupid things, New Orleans is part of our history, and it should be rebuilt. My heart aches every time I see what everyone is going through. Andrew was bad enough, but Katrina was worse. If there is ever any projects, etc going on that you need man power, let me know. Would love to be involved.
Norwegian Story on their Storm Tragedy Link
Good Evening everyone looks like things have quieted down quite a bit, cold front dipping as far South as the The Caymans now, usually when we see this happening, the H season is usually over for us in the Nw caribbean which to me is a welcome sign.
One can do plenty to help here...
with this easy Link

Link
Weather456, are you sure that's ex-Noel? I thought it was ex-92L.
I also heard that ES Noel was heading towards West greenland.
If the storm were to be Noel, where would it dissipate- Europe or Asia? (just guess. I don't know.)
266. sammo
New blog on the storm in Europe...