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Parkersburg tornado an EF-5; major flooding in Central America likely from 90E

By: Dr. Jeff Masters, 3:46 PM GMT on May 28, 2008

The tornado that devastated Parkersburg, Iowa on Sunday has now been rated an EF-5 by the National Weather Service. An EF-5 is the strongest possible classification a tornado can receive, and is only given to those tornadoes with estimated winds over 200 mph. The winds in the Parkersburg tornado were estimated at 205 mph. At those wind speeds, total destruction of homes occurs. Even those sheltering in basements are not safe--several of the six deaths from the Parkersburg tornado were from people sheltering in basements.

The Parkersburg tornado cut a path 43 miles long and between 3/4 miles and 1.2 miles wide across Iowa, killing six people, completely destroying 350 buildings in Parkersburg, and injuring 70 people. It was only the second EF-5 tornado this decade in the U.S. The other EF-5 occurred in May 2007, when much of Greensburg, Kansas got leveled. The Parkersburg tornado was the first F5 or EF5 tornado in Iowa since the Jordan, Iowa tornado of June 13, 1976, and was the second deadliest in Iowa since official record-keeping began in 1950. Iowa's deadliest tornado hit Charles City on May 15, 1968, killing 13 while producing F5 damage.

Figure 1. EF-5 damage from the May 25, 2008 Parkersburg tornado. At EF-5 winds speeds (over 200mph), homes are completely destroyed or removed from their foundations. Image credit: Iowa Helicopter. The NWS Des Moines office has posted ground damage photos from their damage survey.

Major flooding likely in Central America from 90E
An area of low pressure (90E) in the Eastern Pacific off the coast of Costa Rica, near 10N 88W, is steadily organizing and appears likely to develop into a tropical depression later today or tomorrow. The National Hurricane Center is currently assigning a "High" probability (>50% chance) that this will be a tropical depression, in its new experimental Tropical Weather Outlook. Satellite loops show that the low has developed a very large and expanding circulation. This circulation is likely to expand across Central America into the Western Caribbean, allowing the storm to tap moisture from the Atlantic and Pacific. Storms that are able to tap the moisture sources of both oceans can be extremely dangerous rainmakers, even if they are weak tropical depressions. Already, 90E is generating very heavy rains in excess of six inches per day near its center. The storm is expected to move northeastward over Costa Rica or Nicaragua by Thursday or Friday, and should being dangerous flooding rains of 5-10 inches to those nations and Panama. Most of the computer model guidance suggests that the storm will then track to the north, spreading very heavy rains across Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras, Belize, and southern Mexico by Saturday. These heavy rains will cause life-threatening flash flooding, particularly in mountainous regions.

Since 90E is beginning to dominate the circulation pattern of the region, it appears unlikely that a tropical depression will form in the Western Caribbean in the coming week, as some computer models have been predicting. It is possible that 90E could cross Central America and pop out in the Western Caribbean near the Yucatan Peninsula, or in the Gulf of Mexico's Bay of Campeche. However, the crossing of Central America will severely disrupt the storm, and the odds of 90E becoming a depression in the Atlantic basin are low.

Figure 2. Observed precipitation for the 24 hours ending at 12Z (8am EDT) Wednesday May 28, 2008. Rainfall amounts in excess of 2000mm (eight inches, yellow colors) occurred near the center of disturbance 90E off the Pacific coast of Costa Rica. Image credit: U.S. Navy Monterey.

I'll have an update Thursday morning.

Jeff Masters


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Reader Comments

now it is looking pinhole.. this is the non zoom image of Nakri.

Typhoon 2000 has the eye at about 11 NM in diameter. (10 NM or less is pinhole, if I remember correctly)

CATEGORY 4 on Saffir-Simpson Scale (125 knots)
1K. Find one picture of a swirling blob on here that I posted today and I'll give you $10 grand.
Looks symmetrical on this IR LOOP.
Folks..I'm off to greener pastures. I may be back on later if I feel like pulling an all niter!!!!
Have a good sleep, Ivan. Enjoyed the hunt today! Thanks for all your help.
I said I may be pullin an all niter. does anybody listen to me or am I just talking to a blank screen and imagining there is a blog here
Well, I just took that to meant you were headed for the hay. I'm tired, remember?lol, but it's my usual 1/2 awake and 1/2 asleep.
Sorry. It's late and I should have my glasses on:'). What I meant was that I guess even in a basement you need to still have a "Safe place". I wouldn't mind having an underground shelter if there was a way to weather the water too . Don't know how that could work though.
Yeah. I'm a little further down the coast but we have the same problems.
No worries, FFlyer! 70 percent of the planet is water and we're likely going to slide into it sometime soon anyway! Or we humans are gonna overheat it and make all the water boil. Or a chunk of rock is gonna fly by Mars and Phoenix will take a picture of it as it crashes into the planet and records the explosion. We've already had one report in here today of the crust shifting back in '06 and it's scheduled to do a 180 in 2012 - so, it's A L W A Y S something! Nonetheless, I'm with Catfur, I'd take the basement under the pool table! lol
You gone, too, Catfur? Have a good sleep!
1013. JLPR
I dont know what Im doing up lol
but that (wave, convection, low, disturbance) what ever it is that its exiting Africa looks nice

now to sleep =)
until tomorrow
Mookie??? It's Mo (pronounced -m.oh.key. not Moo kee. Cows say moo. and Mo is climbing up the walls at 3 am because I let her sleep all evening.
1015. JLPR
Holy *&^%$##
look at this
OMG lol I hope this dissipates soon, this is the first area of thunderstorms to actually hold together after hitting water =O

16.2N 135.8E - 105 knots 930 hPa

Tropical Cyclone Advisory #19


At 6:00am UTC, Super Typhoon Nakri (T0805) [930 hPa] located near 16.2N 135.8E has 10 minute sustained winds of 105 knots with gusts up to 150 knots. The storm is reported as moving northwest slowly.

Storm-Force Winds
75 NM from the center

Gale-Force Winds
150 NM southeast from the center
120 NM northwest from the center

Forecast and Intensity
24 HRS: 18.0N 134.7E - 110 knots (CAT 5)
48 HRS: 20.7N 134.6E - 120 knots (CAT 5) <-- OMG!! (in the last two year I've never seen that)
72 HRS: 24.0N 136.1E - 105 knots (CAT 5)

wonder if that means the JTWC will have it up to 160-165 knots
Diurnal max =

Even on a feeble system...

Night y'all :~)
NRL: 120 knots 933 mb

wonder if the JMA got told by the World Meteorological Organization to accurately use the 10 min sustained winds average

since 105 knots = 120 knots (1 min avg)
From the 405 TWD:

...Special feature...

Tropical Depression One is centered at 10.2n 86.5w at 0300 UTC and is moving slowly N at 3 kt. The minimum central pressure is estimated at 1003 mb. Maximum sustained winds are 25 kt with gusts to 35 kt mainly in a convective band over the E semicircle. However a large tstm cluster has recently developed near the center over the NW quadrant and another impressive band is developing about 90 nm W of the center within lightning data indicating numerous strikes. Maximum seas are 11 ft. Current guidance suggests the depression will drift on a N track which could move it onshore as soon as 24 hours or as much as 36 hours as the track parallels the Nicaraguan pac coast which is orientated NW to se. The official forecast is for gradual strengthening to a minimal tropical storm prior to landfall in 24 hours. Thereafter...an upper cyclone well to the W near 14n94w is shifting SW with time while a tropical ridge builds W across the central Caribbean. So any remnants of this low is likely to track NW for a couple of days across Central America. Regardless of the wind strength this system will be a major rain maker.
1022. guygee
Good Morning!
TD1E is looking impressive this morning considering it proximity to land as it slowly parallels the Nicaraguan coast. The system is looking more sheared than yesterday, as it looks to me like the supporting ULH is shunted off more to the east, while the mid/low level storm has persevered against the shear and finally felt the effect of lower-level steering that pulled it more NW-NNW.
1023. guygee
I guess my main concerns are that nobody gets hurt out of this thing. Hopefully this storm will not be too extreme of an event for people used to living in mountainous tropical regions. Damage to infrastructure is always an economic burden and a tragedy, but lives cannot be replaced.

For my own part I was simply hoping for a good slug of moisture to come up towards the SE US/FL. With the storm consolidating and moving NW it looks like it will be taking a good part of the moisture away with it.

nice wave off the coast of Africa
This looks to be fun... G.o.m development from 1e?
Seems to me the wave coming of africa has a better chance than TD-1E to become something significant.
The system has lost a lot of its organization over night.

The GFS doesn't seem to be resolving things well in the long term - that or 1 E just kinda sits in the same place for the next few weeks.

Another bad day could be on tap for the plains:

0300 AM CDT THU MAY 29 2008


Satellite imagery shows TD 1-E very well organized and I would say its a TS now.
Extreme, can you please explain? It looks a lot less organized than it did 12 hours ago, yet now it's a tropical storm?
It looks as if the "Center" is elongated along the trough and is already interacting with the mountains.

I wonder if the initialization in the models is correct.
If the intialization is incorrect they don't seem to be affecting the model forecasts, at least not according to the 00z model diagnostic from the HPC...

1032. guygee
1028. extreme236 10:17 AM GMT on May 29, 2008
Satellite imagery shows TD 1-E very well organized and I would say its a TS now.

I would not be surprised. Even though it is sheared compared to yesterday, the circulation has obviously consolidated and it looks to be still far enough offshore, maybe trending even slightly more left.
Assuming the center is where they say it actually could be a little more organized.

I still wonder if it is trying to displace a little to the ENE along the trough. It really shouldn't appear this "tight", this early on.

Thanks TN - nice to know thew are thinking it too - even if they totally discount it!
Well Masterforecaster, it looks more organized to me, maybe thats just because I saw how weak the convection looked last night, but the convection is much stronger and the center has tightened up and it has a nice band on its west side.
1015. actually it may be better if that one developed early so it would recurve into the "Hurricane Graveyard". That is very impressive wave for May. That would be very impressive for August.
does TD1 have an eye or what it looks to be forming one with black convection to the west of it
I've been watching the blog for several weeks now, and take most of the blogs to heart,the models show TD 1 not entering the GOM, I would like your thoughts?
1038. IKE
6Z GFS........

If TD1 makes it into the Atlantic Basin at all it would be in the NW Caribbean east of Belize. The upper atmosphere is extremely hostile in the GOM. The Bermuda High which is starting to appear would draw it northward maybe somewhat east of northward. It probably will cause increased chances for rainfall for FL this weekend

Ike I posted this before I looked at that 6zgfs model.
um i was just curious... if a tropical depression such as TD1 were to form in the eastern pacific and then somehow mannaged to survive a central america crossing without dissipating and then strengthened to storm status in the atlantic would it recieve an atlantic name or pacific?(same question for an atlantic to pacific system)
Thanks Ike! that totally complicates matters!:0
It would receive a new name like hurricane Caesar
crossed Nicaragua and became hurricane Douglass Caesar retired and Douglass became a Cat 4
1043. IKE
1039. Ivansrvivr 5:46 AM CDT on May 29, 2008
If TD1 makes it into the Atlantic Basin at all it would be in the NW Caribbean east of Belize. The upper atmosphere is extremely hostile in the GOM. The Bermuda High which is starting to appear would draw it northward maybe somewhat east of northward. It probably will cause increased chances for rainfall for FL this weekend

Ike I posted this before I looked at that 6zgfs model.

You're right on with the GFS! lol.

Interesting model run.
Thanks extreme
1041. That could be the drought buster we need to kick start the rainy season. If we don't get one, a repeat of last summer is possible.
1046. IKE
Long-term discussion from Miami,FL....

"Then as we move into the middle and latter part of the week ensemble
data suggest upper level ridge begins to weaken across the area with
the result being moisture increasing from the south. Operational
GFS develops a low pressure system across the western Caribbean
later next week off whatever is left behind from the current
system affecting Central America. The European model is slower and
quite does not develop this feature. It just keeps a weak system
down across the Yucatan region. The GFS ensemble mean develops
the system but is also weaker. None of them develop the system for
the time period covered by this forecast (through wednesday). So
yes we could be dealing with some kind of low pressure system
affecting the local area late next week but the uncertainty is two
large at this time to be any more definitive about this. For
now...will only reflect a slight increase in rain chances for the
latter part of the extended period."
1040. HurrikanEB 10:47 AM GMT on May 29, 2008 Hide this comment.
um i was just curious... if a tropical depression such as TD1 were to form in the eastern pacific and then somehow mannaged to survive a central america crossing without dissipating and then strengthened to storm status in the atlantic would it recieve an atlantic name or pacific?(same question for an atlantic to pacific system)
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they changed the rules this year and it will still remain with the Pacific Ocean Name or the original Basin name
No Joke. The GFS read my mind (how can it read a blank slate?)
1046. "for now"

When I see "for now" in the forecast I suspect those writing it expect it to change.
If the center remains intact for the entire crossing it keeps its name. So if this was to become Alma and cross over while keeping its center it would stay Alma. If it was just some leftver convection which develops it would get a new name (Arthur.)
1050. Given the topography of the crossing TD1 must make, that scenario is highly unlikely. Better chance of winning the Lotto.
I know it looks like an eye but it's just a dry spot right? Anyway it looks like the storm has turned NNE to me. I'll be back later.
1054. guygee
The 06Z GFS seems to lose TD1E at 36 hrs then forms a low south of Cuba at 138 hrs that deepens to 1000 mb over Key West at 180 hrs and then weakens to 1004 mb as closes in towards Mobile at 218 hrs.

For what it is worth.
I think it may be an eye as the convection is in a perfect ring around it and is really increasing in intensity
1052. Ivansrvivr

I dont know. Looking at the topo and the sat, it looks to be at least partially crossing now. there is a diagonal passage to the immediate SE and a corresponding weak "swirl" on the Caribbean side in that area.

I'm not yet convinced that the trough this is forming on is exclusively in the pacific.

I'll look at the cyclone phase diagram.
JP i believe it would be more likely TD1 would dissipate over Nicaragua and the mid level low that was in the W.Caribbean yesterday would reappear. It is likely still there just the convection associated with it collapsed as TD1 strengthened.

Yea JP, but its confusing in the sat. things are a complicated mess.

The surface pressures don't seem have it extending into Carrib.
1055 whether it is an eye or not is unimportant. Winds will not be major factor in Nicaragua. floods will and could kill alot of people there.
1065. guygee
Morning jp. Good point about the people there. 20 inches of rain in the mountains is just devastating. I hope everyone finds high ground.

As for the droughtbuster, I am definitely more pessimistic than yesterday. TD1E may actually be drawing more moisture away and raining it out than contributing, especially if it tacks more left. We will see.
Thanks folks, your all very dedicated, this if very informative!
keep up the great work.
Just because convection is gone doesn't mean low is gone. TD1 will move inland shortly and some remnant will emerge or redevelop in the W.Caribbean eventually. If that low is still there even in very weak state that would be a likely trigger for convection from remnant moisture.

There appears to be new convection developing south of the Caymans already.
1069. IKE
From the 2 am PDT discussion on TD 1E...

"Atmospheric conditions appear favorable for strengthening...with the
only obvious negative factor being land interaction. The intensity
forecast calls for gradual strengthening until landfall...followed
by weakening and dissipation over the mountains of Central America.

It is possible that the cyclone could get stronger than forecast if
it remains over water longer than currently forecast. However...
unless the system gets significantly stronger than forecast...the
primary threat with this system will be life-threatening flash
floods and mud slides associated with heavy rains...which could
reach 20 inches over the higher terrain of Central America...
especially in Costa Rica and Nicaragua.".......

Looks like the low the GFS is spinning up that heads toward Florida is something else...maybe I'm wrong though.
1071. guygee
Re: 1068. Ivansrvivr

True. There is also the issue of the upper-level support. TD1E helped generate a large ULH. To some extent it looks to be decoupling from the ULH now, but if something else is to form it will need to be near the center of the left-over ULH, otherwise the farther from the center the greater the shear.

Morning duties call, got to get the young ones off to school, BBL.
I was lucky enough to visit Nicar. last January. The people on this coast are better off than most of their countrymen inland. It is a beautiful place kind of like Puerto Rico back in the 60s. Very few people have electr. . Many steal it by tapping into the electrical lines. This storm should cause the area to come to a standstill because 90% of the roads are dirt now deep mud. I really liked it there my buddy has a house no electricity no running water but a nice little house with a insane surf spot right out the back.
1073. guygee
Re: 1070. jphurricane2006

I was thinking in terms of a general low pressure area surviving, but maybe as Ike says the GFS is latching onto something totally different.

Anyways, gotta go...
1074. IKE
The same area that got hit so many times last year...slightly further south, but still, I bet their sick of tropical systems....
1075. crownwx
Find it interesting that the 06 UTC GFS model tracks the system near Africa all the way across the Atlantic over the next 10-12 days and keeps it intact. Link
1070. I was referring to the mid level low that was "competing" with TD1 in the W Caribbean. As TD1 dissipates, that low will have a chance to develop. Any convection firing in the Caribbean will help that low sustain itself as it's competition weakens. There were 2 different entities yesterday. TD1 won out but it has only been 12 hrs since it formed. Given TD1s NE movement, it looks like the mid level low is still there. I believe that is what GFS is seeing.
1077. fmbill
NWS in Melbourne seems to think the high pressure will stop any systems from heading this way for the next week or so.

Wrong side Ike the west coast of Nicar. has not been hit in along time.
My friends wife is from the west coast of Nic she said Mitchs rain bands caused severe flooding about a decade ago.
1080. IKE
1078. leftovers 6:37 AM CDT on May 29, 2008
Wrong side Ike the west coast of Nicar. has not been hit in along time.

But they got moisture off of Dean and Felix. I know this one is the PAC vs. Atlantic side.
1081. IKE
From the long-range Jackson, Mississippi discussion...

"Otherwise...middle and upper ridging rebuilds from west to east across all of
the Gulf states for the first half of next week. Some early hints at
a tropical system of sorts in the vicinity of the Yucatan Peninsula
by later in the week with 200mb ridge building into Florida from the western
Carribean and upper troughing diving into the lower MS valley from
the southern rockies. In any case...the overall pattern will be losing the
Continental U.S. Blocking appearance of the past two weeks."
the windward (pacific) side will get the worst. That side doesnt usually get hit like this. Usually the storms move Westward and brush that area. A direct hit is totally different.
1081. Climatology would suggest same thing as Bermuda high builds to our east and draws moisture northward out of Caribbean.
1084. MrSea
Cheers to TD One-E, let's hope this is an exciting, but SAFE hurricane season!
The west side is not the windward side of latin america.
Anyone know the weather forecast for the upcoming launch at the Cape? Looks like high pressure will keep the weather pretty tame this weekend.
Leftovers forecast remains the same. This epac system should move slowly north hugging the coast up to El Salvador then turn west dragging all the moisture with it. Florida will get no moisture from it. That is it today.
JP & Ike,
That wave off Africa is incredibly strong for late May, isn't it? I mean the colors are almost off the chart?
JP, I may be reaching and you may be right. At least you see what I was talking about though. Tropics is a guessing game most of the time anyways.

The CV season looks like it will be tough one. the question is for who. If those waves stay on the southern end of their usual track it looks bad for caribbean and Eastern Gulf Coast/FL. If they shift a little more to the north than usual, they will be bad for Carolinas/Eastern Seaboard or fish.
Just by looking at satellite imagery for Tropical Depression 1-E, it has become quite evident that the circulation has tightened considerably overnight and strengthening is occuring, although you can see land interaction is having some impact on the system. I have deep concern for the people in El Salvador, Nicaragua, Honduras, Guatemala, and Belize that there may be significant flooding that will likely result in mud/landslides like we have seen in the past. Some computer models want to dump nearly 20 inches on them.

Now, the tropical wave exiting Africa is very impressive for this time of the year. Thus far, no wave has been able to maintain convection over water like this one has and the structure is very well-defined with possible low-level cyclonic turning taking shape. There is something that I have noticed with this wave: it seems that there is outflow occuring over the wave, more indicative of tropical development and strengthening. We may indeed see some tropical development off Africa if this holds.
I will update my blog later this morning but just want to mention that the wave emerging off the coast of africa is associated with a broad area of low pressure roughly along the axis near 8-10N. CMC, GFS and EWMWF is developing this feature.

TD 01E is nearing TS status..Excellent organizationm seen on this morning's infrared imagery. Heavy rains expected to continue over Costa Rica, Nicaragua and Honduras. Satellite estimates indicated Costa Rica picked up the bulk of the rain over the past 12 hrs, around 100mm.
the tropical wave off africa is something
to watch, but it is too far away from the u.s.
Navy now has Alma for TD1E

good morning all
Wow it sure is quiet around here.
Morning Storm,

Wondering if you can tell me what you think will happen over the course of today with our TD...
I think we're in for a bad year, much like 2004; at least here in S FL.
Here we go again 2008

Figure 1 - First Visible Shot of ALMA (Source: NASA Satellites at weather.msfc.nasa.gov)

Very impressive structure indeed with intense and well-organized CDO over the system with obvious banding to the south. Based upon satellite imagery, I would guess this has reached moderate tropical storm strength (between 50 and 60 mph winds).
1099. jphurricane2006 8:35 AM AST on May 29, 2008

I know of a wave that emerged around 48 hrs ago if that is what u mean.
Morning All.

CPC/TAFB 72hrs. I see the GFS is back to sniffing today. Glue maybe?

I can't stop the rains, I can't fly down to help after the rains. All I CAN do is send my prayers, keep them in my thoughts and move on. Big tragedy taking shape down there and it is sad to see yet another this year.
1111. Patrap
Wow..a whole page without imagery?

Were gonna fix dat right now.

GOES-12 (3 Channel) Gulf and Tropics (Updated every ~1/2 hour) Link
Hi Storm

The High that was over Costa Rica has now moved back overhead of Alma thus providing the environment for the strengthening we have been seeing. The high stretches over the Caribbean South of about 14N and shear there has fallen to 10 knots.

Although shear is till high in the NW Caribbean that may well slacken over time. We are also seeing a seperation of vorticity between Alma and the Southern and Central Caribbean which means the two ares of weather are finally going their own way. If the Caribbean area of disturbed weather hangs around long enough we may see some type of development over the next 48 hrs or so as Alma moves away

Here is the 850mb map
1113. NEwxguy
GM all,TD1E looks impressive,but doesn't look like it has much time left.Cold up here in northeast this morning,Florida send some of your heat up here.
1114. DocBen
Interesting evening - looks like 1E is gunning to get a name; Nakri is now a Cat 4; and the Carib seems to have an independent center to the east - 90L on the way?
1115. Patrap
NRL Alma Link


The Navy site has TD1E as Alma which means it will be officially upgraded to a TS shortly
1117. nash28
06z GFS still brings a good soaking to FL.
Good morning everyone! Nice map Storm.
The weather is getting pretty nasty here now in the Caymans from the moisture coming up from the South. That's one good thing as the drought has been severe this year
good morning everyone,
thanks for all the updates. Looks like we have Alma???

busy at work but will check in as I can throughout the day. Thanks for keeping the info flowing!

GM all,TD1E looks impressive,but doesn't look like it has much time left.Cold up here in northeast this morning,Florida send some of your heat up here.

Ok, we'll try! How's that global warming feel in the NE!?
1126. NEwxguy
1124. 69Viking 12:58 PM GMT on May 29, 2008
GM all,TD1E looks impressive,but doesn't look like it has much time left.Cold up here in northeast this morning,Florida send some of your heat up here.

Ok, we'll try! How's that global warming feel in the NE!?

Guess we aren't part of the globe,no warming up here 36 deg this morning
Hopefully this thing will hold together and we can get some MUCH needed rain here in Florida early next week. Just not this weekend...

I know. Beggers can't be choosers.
1129. jphurricane2006 8:07 AM CDT on May 29, 2008

Too funny! They'll be back!
1133. IKE
They said they would be back...promises, promises.........

new blog
1136. IKE
Managua, NK........

"Managua, NK (Airport)
Updated: 14 min 24 sec ago
Heavy Rain
73 °F
Heavy Rain
Humidity: 94%
Dew Point: 72 °F
Wind: 12 mph from the East
Pressure: 29.74 in (Steady)
Visibility: 0.6 miles
UV: 1 out of 16
Scattered Clouds 1600 ft
Mostly Cloudy 7000 ft
(Above Ground Level)
Elevation: 164 ft"
They said they would be back...promises, promises.........

Ok, that link brought back some memories!
1129. jphurricane2006 9:07 AM EDT on May 29, 2008

Good Morning Folks.....Still here and "kicking"....Will be heading to the Destin beaches for the weekend tommorow and may do a "live" report from the Gulf on June 1st (competing with Cantore on South Beach)...But, all in all, looks like we will have a pretty active season and I hope that calmness and courtesy preveils on the Blog (certainly from the regulars) so we don't set a bad emample for the newer participants and lurkers...I'm here to learn and I suspect that we will learn a lot this particularl season....Good Day
This is the wave I'm watching, clearly assoicated mid-level cyclonic turning along the axis near 6W.