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New USDA Plant Hardiness Zone Map for gardeners shows a warming climate

By: Dr. Jeff Masters, 2:17 PM GMT on February 01, 2012

Wintertime minimum temperatures in the U.S. have risen so much in recent decades that the United States Department of Agriculture decided last week to update their Plant Hardiness Zone Map for gardeners for the first time since 1990. The Plant Hardiness Zone Map is the standard by which gardeners and growers can determine which plants are most likely to thrive at a location. The map is based on the average annual minimum winter temperature, divided into 10-degree F zones. Compared to the 1990 version, zone boundaries in the new 2012 edition of the map have generally shifted one 5-degree Fahrenheit half-zone warmer than the previous map throughout much of the United States. This is mostly a result of using temperature data from a longer and more recent time period. The old 1990 map was based on temperature data from only a 13-year period of 1974-1986, while the new map uses data from the 30-year period 1976-2005.


Figure 1. Comparison of the 1990 and 2012 USDA Plant Hardiness Zone Maps. Image credit: USDA and Arbor Day Foundation

Northwards, ho!
While humans are generally not attuned enough to nature's rhythms to tell if the climate is changing, plants and animals know the climate is changing. Many species of animals, insects, and plants have shifted their ranges poleward and to higher elevations in recent decades because of global warming. The 2007 IPCC report stated that "numerous studies document a progressively earlier spring by about 2.3 to 5.2 days per decade in the last 30 years in response to climate warming. That report also documented over 400 species that have moved their ranges poleward or to higher elevations because of climate change. For example, conifer trees expanded northwards into former tundra areas at a rate of 12 km per year between 1982 - 2000 in portions of Canada (Fillol and Royer, 2003.) Holly plants moved northwards by several hundred kilometers in recent decades into coastal Norway, Northeast Germany, Denmark, and coastal Sweden in response to warming temperatures (Walther et al., 2005.) As the climate continues to warm, plant and animal species previously unknown in many regions will appear, and will disappear from places they used to inhabit.


Figure 2. Change in the boundary line between conifer forest (taiga) and tundra between 1982 (grey line) and 2000 (white line) over Canada. In the grey box marked "Transect", the rate of northwards migration was 12 km per year, or 228 km (142 miles) in nineteen years. Image credit: Fillol and Royer, 2003, "Variability analysis of the transitory climate regime as defined by the NDVI/Ts relationship derived from NOAA-AVHRR over Canada", Geoscience and Remote Sensing Symposium, 2003. IGARSS '03. Proceedings. 2003 IEEE International.

Jeff Masters

Climate Change

The views of the author are his/her own and do not necessarily represent the position of The Weather Company or its parent, IBM.

Reader Comments

I suppose we can try to squeeze three or four billion people into Canada and Siberia. That should be fun... :-)

Simply incredible, and something I never thought I'd see in my life, nor my kids in theirs.
everything changes nothing stays the same

thanks for the update doc
Thanks for the update Doc. The Pant Hardiness zones sadly confirm sadly confirm Will Catton's predictions in his terrifying Overshoot!
Right now a great deal of Europe is suffering a very harsh Winter I am certain they w2ill be happy to see Spring arrive. More tropical plants for our back yard it seems.
D.C has been very wet and warm latley there for the plants and trees are blooming more early.It was 2 months ago when a plant expert came on our local news station and said that more "tropical like" plants are starting to show up here in D.C.Mmmmmmmm.
That controlled burn at Kennedy Space Center yesterday is causing some voluntary leave, shelter in place. As far as I know all the structures are fine. Just too smokey to work out there in some areas. If your headed to the visitor center I'd check to see if they are open..

edit..sounds like everyone is now being told to take the day off. 405 & roads in the area are closed.
Quoting JasonCoooolMan2011:
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !
look who's baaaaaaaaaack.
Something to put on your radar:

Food Crisis as Drought and Cold Hit Mexico

A drought that a government official called the most severe Mexico had ever faced has left two million people without access to water and, coupled with a cold snap, has devastated cropland in nearly half of the country.

The government in the past week has authorized $2.63 billion in aid, including potable water, food and temporary jobs for the most affected areas, rural communities in 19 of Mexico’s 31 states. But officials warned that no serious relief was expected for at least another five months, when the rainy season typically begins in earnest.

- - - - - - - - - -

Nearly 7 percent of the country’s agricultural land, mostly in the north and center, has suffered total loss, according to Victor Celaya del Toro, director of development studies at the Agriculture Ministry.

The drought, which has been compounded by freezing temperatures, has already pushed up the cost of some produce, including corn and beans. The governor of the Central Bank, Agustín Carstens, speaking last week at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, cautioned that it might cause inflation to rise later this year.


Article...





Release No. 0022.12
Contact:
Kim Kaplan
(301) 504-1637

"This is the most sophisticated Plant Hardiness Zone Map yet for the United States," said Dr. Catherine Woteki, USDA Under Secretary for Research, Education and Economics. "The increases in accuracy and detail that this map represents will be extremely useful for gardeners and researchers."

"The new version of the map includes 13 zones, with the addition for the first time of zones 12 (50-60 degrees F) and 13 (60-70 degrees F). Each zone is a 10-degree Fahrenheit band, further divided into A and B 5-degree Fahrenheit zones."

"Compared to the 1990 version, zone boundaries in this edition of the map have shifted in many areas. The new map is generally one 5-degree Fahrenheit half-zone warmer than the previous map throughout much of the United States. This is mostly a result of using temperature data from a longer and more recent time period; the new map uses data measured at weather stations during the 30-year period 1976-2005. In contrast, the 1990 map was based on temperature data from only a 13-year period of 1974-1986.

"Some of the changes in the zones, however, are a result of new, more sophisticated methods for mapping zones between weather stations. These include algorithms that considered for the first time such factors as changes in elevation, nearness to large bodies of water, and position on the terrain, such as valley bottoms and ridge tops. Also, the new map used temperature data from many more stations than did the 1990 map. These advances greatly improved the accuracy and detail of the map, especially in mountainous regions of the western United States. In some cases, advances resulted in changes to cooler, rather than warmer, zones."

Link
Quoting Neapolitan:
I suppose we can try to squeeze three or four billion people into Canada and Siberia. That should be fun... :-)

Simply incredible, and something I never thought I'd see in my life, nor my kids in theirs.


Best to just stop having kids. There's land up there, but most of it is not arable.
Feature in the Gulf is now showing up in the 8 day range now. Could get very interesting next week for FL.


Quoting StormTracker2K:
Feature in the Gulf is now showing up in the 8 day range now. Could get very interesting next week for FL.


Very interesting.I would love to be tracking a tropical cyclone in the gulf in February.
95P



Quoting JasonCoooolMan2011:
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !
Iggy wont be around for much longer.





Australian Government Bureau of Meteorology
Brisbane

Tropical Cyclone 3-day outlook for The Coral Sea
Issued at 2:30pm EST on Wednesday the 1st of February 2012 and valid until end
of Saturday

Existing Cyclones in the Eastern Region:
Nil.

Potential Cyclones:
The monsoon trough extends across north Queensland and the northern Coral Sea
and is expected to develop further over the next few days. A weak low currently
sits over eastern Gulf of Carpentaria waters and is forecast to move east into
the Coral Sea late in the week. The low is forecast to develop further over the
Coral Sea and continue to move east, away from the Queensland coast, into the
weekend. If this low does become a tropical cyclone it is unlikely to have any
significant impacts along the Queensland coast.


Thursday: Very low
Friday: Moderate
Saturday: Moderate


NOTE: The likelihood is an estimate of the chance of each system being a
tropical cyclone in the Region for each day.
Very low: less than 5% Low: 5% - 20%,
Moderate: 20% - 50% High: Over 50%

The area of coverage for this outlook is the Coral Sea and northern Tasman Sea
west of 160E.


click image for loop.



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Quoting wxmod:
Quoting wxmod:


Contrails decrease the temperature difference between elevations in the atmosphere. If there's no difference, then there's no lift, so there's no thunderstorm for SPLbeater to watch. Ouch. That hurts.


SPLBeater
lol, you act as if i beleive that xD


I never never never would suggest that you know anything about clouds.


doesnt somethin in the standards, say something about bickering and carrying on personal disputes? TO A NEW BLOG ???goodbye. POOF
Sadly enough, yesterday in my mothers garden, the first daffodil flower appeared. That's almost two months earlier than they used to 10 years ago. A personal confirmation of climate change, and not a good one either.
Quoting skook:





Release No. 0022.12
Contact:
Kim Kaplan
(301) 504-1637

"This is the most sophisticated Plant Hardiness Zone Map yet for the United States," said Dr. Catherine Woteki, USDA Under Secretary for Research, Education and Economics. "The increases in accuracy and detail that this map represents will be extremely useful for gardeners and researchers."

"The new version of the map includes 13 zones, with the addition for the first time of zones 12 (50-60 degrees F) and 13 (60-70 degrees F). Each zone is a 10-degree Fahrenheit band, further divided into A and B 5-degree Fahrenheit zones."

"Compared to the 1990 version, zone boundaries in this edition of the map have shifted in many areas. The new map is generally one 5-degree Fahrenheit half-zone warmer than the previous map throughout much of the United States. This is mostly a result of using temperature data from a longer and more recent time period; the new map uses data measured at weather stations during the 30-year period 1976-2005. In contrast, the 1990 map was based on temperature data from only a 13-year period of 1974-1986.

"Some of the changes in the zones, however, are a result of new, more sophisticated methods for mapping zones between weather stations. These include algorithms that considered for the first time such factors as changes in elevation, nearness to large bodies of water, and position on the terrain, such as valley bottoms and ridge tops. Also, the new map used temperature data from many more stations than did the 1990 map. These advances greatly improved the accuracy and detail of the map, especially in mountainous regions of the western United States. In some cases, advances resulted in changes to cooler, rather than warmer, zones."

Link



Sounds like the accuracy between the 2 maps are greatly in question....along with all the other Crap we see about GW!
Forecast looks nice today...70F, tomorrow 70F....if only tomorrow, there was a 60% chance of Iso T-Storms.

lol
back later.
uh.. re the blog.. I understand the ability of animals and insects to move to more favorable locations but how do trees and bushes relocate?
(I am reminded of the cactus walking toward water in 'Rango')

Quoting WxGeekVA:
Sadly enough, yesterday in my mothers garden, the first daffodil flower appeared. That's almost two months earlier than they used to 10 years ago. A personal confirmation of climate change, and not a good one either.
Been pickin,em here for a month...This would be interesting..
This would be interesting..If it panned out..
Oh, come on, Dr. Masters. I don't believe that you fell for this, too (as did most of the media reporting on this new map).

Most of the visible changes in the map are primarily due to changing from 10 zones to 13 zones! Some areas did have a warmer zone, but many actually have a cooler zone. The map only looks warmer because there are more zones, and the colors were shifted "upwards". They could have shifted the colors "downwards" and the media would all be reporting on the "coming ice age" again.
I just read a tweet that said Groundhog Day, planned for tomorrow, has been canceled, as Punxsutawney Phil says he's pretty sure spring has already arrived in western Pennsylvania. (FWIW, there were 46 record daily high or high minimum temperatures set or tied in Pennsylvania in January, and just six record daily lows or low maximums. IOW, not too wintry.)
Quoting JNCali:
uh.. re the blog.. I understand the ability of animals and insects to move to more favorable locations but how do trees and bushes relocate?
(I am reminded of the cactus walking toward water in 'Rango')

Random seed dispersal, mostly. Individually rooted plants don't generally move, but seeds travel by animal, wind, or water to other places. Where those places are hospitable, they take root.

Quoting JNCali:
uh.. re the blog.. I understand the ability of animals and insects to move to more favorable locations but how do trees and bushes relocate?
(I am reminded of the cactus walking toward water in 'Rango')


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If places north of the current line, aren't frozen tundra anymore, as it might have been in years past. Pollen can fly around(be transported by insects, animals. etc) , and land in new areas of land to germinate and sprout trees.
Quoting mharr:
Oh, come on, Dr. Masters. I don't believe that you fell for this, too (as did most of the media reporting on this new map).

Most of the visible changes in the map are primarily due to changing from 10 zones to 13 zones! Some areas did have a warmer zone, but many actually have a cooler zone. The map only looks warmer because there are more zones, and the colors were shifted "upwards". They could have shifted the colors "downwards" and the media would all be reporting on the "coming ice age" again.
Do you think the people who updated the map "fell for it" too? Here's what they said:

"Compared to the 1990 version, zone boundaries in this edition of the map have shifted in many areas. The new map is generally one 5-degree Fahrenheit half-zone warmer than the previous map throughout much of the United States."

Seriously, debate the causes or the effects of climate change, if you wish, but debating the fact that it's happening is beyond silly at this point. The planet is warming, period. And the new zone map has made accommodations for that.
were sprouting new Handles like Pecans tree's in June
What gets me is that some people dont believe the climate of the Earth is getting warmer. For the non-believers out there, whether it is man made or not, whether there are record low temps being broken or not, no matter who you are, what you say, what you think, or what you do,,.........The Earth Is Getting Warmer....And thats a fact...accept it.
Amazing how fast the trees are moving north.. Beatles, bugs & drought been unkind in the south. I have seen by far more trees die (excluding at the hands of developrs) in the last 10 yrs...

If the new map had only the past 13yr period like the old map instead of a 30 yr period, we would have seen even more shift. I really like the new attention to detail, elevations, using more data to come up with the lines. From a gardener's perspective much improved. Especially around my interest in WNC. There we'd adjust our planting zone to the elevation more. This map way better reflects that. Of my three areas I grow in the SE none changed.

On the subject of gardening..my blog is updated with (besides tropics) the Feb growing info..what days are good to plant by the moon, when to plant what in FL (there is links for some other states in the SE). ECFL..we are planting the good stuff this month.. All beans, cantaloupes, corn, cucumber, eggplant, peppers, sweet potatoes, pumpkin, all squash, tomatoes, watermelon, beets*, carrots, celery*, collards, leek, mustard, parsley, snow peas, potatoes*, radish & turnips*.
I would rather have it being a little warmer with a little higher CO2 count for the vegetation than an Ice Age or a colder earth.
The Psychology of Climate Change Denial

Even as the science of global warming gets stronger, fewer Americans believe it’s real. In some ways, it’s nearly as jarring a disconnect as enduring disbelief in evolution or carbon dating. And according to Kari Marie Norgaard, a Whitman College sociologist who’s studied public attitudes towards climate science, we’re in denial.

“Our response to disturbing information is very complex. We negotiate it. We don’t just take it in and respond in a rational way,” said Norgaard.

The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change declared in 2007 that greenhouse gases had reached levels not seen in 650,000 years, and were rising rapidly as a result of people burning fossil fuel. Because these gases trap the sun’s heat, they would — depending on human energy habits — heat Earth by an average of between 1.5 and 7.2 degrees Fahrenheit by century’s end. Even a midrange rise would likely disrupt the planet’s climate, producing droughts and floods, acidified oceans, altered ecosystems and coastal cities drowned by rising seas.

“If there’s no action before 2012, that’s too late. What we do in the next two to three years will determine our future,” said Rajendra Pachauri, the IPCC chairman, when the report was released. “This is the defining moment.”

Studies published since then have only strengthened the IPCC’s predictions, or suggested they underestimate future warming. But as world leaders gather in Copenhagen to discuss how to avoid catastrophic climate change, barely half the U.S. public thinks carbon pollution could warm Earth. That’s 20 percent less than in 2007, and lower than at any point in the last 12 years. In a Pew Research Center poll, Americans ranked climate dead last out of 20 top issues, behind immigration and trade policy.

Wired.com talked to Norgaard about the divide between science and public opinion.

Wired.com: Why don’t people seem to care?

Kari Norgaard: On the one hand, there have been extremely well-organized, well-funded climate-skeptic campaigns. Those are backed by Exxon Mobil in particular, and the same PR firms who helped the tobacco industry (.pdf) deny the link between cancer and smoking are involved with magnifying doubt around climate change.

That’s extremely important, but my work has been in a different area. It’s been about people who believe in science, who aren’t out to question whether science has a place in society.

Wired.com: People who are coming at the issue in good faith, you mean. What’s their response?

Norgaard: Climate change is disturbing. It’s something we don’t want to think about. So what we do in our everyday lives is create a world where it’s not there, and keep it distant.

For relatively privileged people like myself, we don’t have to see the impact in everyday life. I can read about different flood regimes in Bangladesh, or people in the Maldives losing their islands to sea level rise, or highways in Alaska that are altered as permafrost changes. But that’s not my life. We have a vast capacity for this.


Wired.com: How is this bubble maintained?

Norgaard: In order to have a positive sense of self-identity and get through the day, we’re constantly being selective of what we think about and pay attention to. To create a sense of a good, safe world for ourselves, we screen out all kinds of information, from where food comes from to how our clothes our made. When we talk with our friends, we talk about something pleasant.

Wired.com: How does this translate into skepticism about climate change?

Norgaard: It’s a paradox. Awareness has increased. There’s been a lot more information available. This is much more in our face. And this is where the psychological defense mechanisms are relevant, especially when coupled with the fact that other people, as we’ve lately seen with the e-mail attacks, are systematically trying to create the sense that there’s doubt.

If I don’t want to believe that climate change is true, that my lifestyle and high carbon emissions are causing devastation, then it’s convenient to say that it doesn’t.

Wired.com: Is that what this comes down to — not wanting to confront our own roles?

Norgaard: I think so. And the reason is that we don’t have a clear sense of what we can do. Any community organizer knows that if you want people to respond to something, you need to tell them what to do, and make it seem do-able. Stanford University psychologist Jon Krosnick has studied this, and showed that people stop paying attention to climate change when they realize there’s no easy solution. People judge as serious only those problems for which actions can be taken.

Another factor is that we no longer have a sense of permanence. Another psychologist, Robert Lifton, wrote about what the existence of atomic bombs did to our psyche. There was a sense that the world could end at any moment.

Global warming is the same in that it threatens the survival of our species. Psychologists tell us that it’s very important to have a sense of the continuity of life. That’s why we invest in big monuments and want our work to stand after we die and have our family name go on.

That sense of continuity is being ruptured. But climate change has an added aspect that is very important. The scientists who built nuclear bombs felt guilt about what they did. Now the guilt is real for the broader public.

Wired.com: So we don’t want to believe climate change is happening, feel guilty that it is, and don’t know what to do about it? So we pretend it’s not a problem?

Norgaard: Yes, but I don’t want to make it seem crass. Sometimes people who are very empathetic are less likely to help in certain situations, because they’re so disturbed by it. The human capacity of empathy is really profound, and that’s part of our weakness. If we were more callous, then we’d approach it in a more straightforward way. It may be a weakness of our capacity as sentient beings to cope with this problem.

Image: Greenpeace/Flickr

“Cognitive and Behavioral Challenges in Responding to Climate Change,” Norgaard’s World Bank white paper.

See Also:

Should Earth Scientists Take a ‘Hippocratic Oath’?
Humans Halfway to Causing Dangerous Climate Change
Climate Change Caused Radical North Sea Shift
9 Environmental Boundaries We Don’t Want to Cross
Quoting hydrus:
What gets me is that some people dont believe the climate of the Earth is getting warmer. For the non-believers out there, whether it is man made or not, whether there are record low temps being broken or not, no matter who you are, what you say, what you think, or what you do,,.........The Earth Is Getting Warmer....And thats a fact...accept it.


To except climate change is to except change.

People resist change at all cost.

To except climate change is to except that you and every one else will have to change.

People change only when forced.

So far we have kept the government (we the people, see Citizens United for reference on this) from forcing the change

Looks like it will be nature (or god if that floats your boat) will have to take a shot at some forcing....

who you putting your money on for winning that one?
36 NativeSun "I would rather have it being a little warmer with a little higher CO2 count for the vegetation than an Ice Age or a colder earth."

Whether it stays a little is the worrying part.

21 WxGeekVA "Sadly enough, yesterday in my mothers garden, the first daffodil flower appeared. That's almost two months earlier than they used to 10 years ago..."

The apricot tree went straight from losing almost all of its leaves to budding new ones. Never came close to doing that before. I suspect that bodes ill for its future.
who you putting your money on for winning that one?



Im going with the Singularity personally.
Quoting NativeSun:
I would rather have it being a little warmer with a little higher CO2 count for the vegetation than an Ice Age or a colder earth.


Granted. Do you have control of the "Off" switch for when it gets warm enough for you? A controlled lab experiment is far different from an experiment in the wild. ... Have you considered getting a greenhouse and not turning our atmosphere into one?
Thanks Jeff...
Politics,Religion, Science as we know it, is nigh.

The Future comes with such change that it is immeasurable.

Be Nice to one another.

It's natural, our whole past has led to this moment.

Embrace it.

Quoting aspectre:
36 NativeSun "I would rather have it being a little warmer with a little higher CO2 count for the vegetation than an Ice Age or a colder earth."

Whether it stays a little is the worrying part.


Why would it stay a little.
NOAA has been saying this for year's.

I've posted this Link so many times I know it word for word.



How do we know the Earth's climate is warming?


Thousands of land and ocean temperature measurements are recorded each day around the globe. This includes measurements from climate reference stations, weather stations, ships, buoys and autonomous gliders in the oceans.
These surface measurements are also supplemented with satellite measurements. These measurements are processed, examined for random and systematic errors, and then finally combined to produce a time series of global average temperature change.

A number of agencies around the world have produced datasets of global-scale changes in surface temperature using different techniques to process the data and remove measurement errors that could lead to false interpretations of temperature trends.

The warming trend that is apparent in all of the independent methods of calculating global temperature change is also confirmed by other independent observations, such as the melting of mountain glaciers on every continent, reductions in the extent of snow cover, earlier blooming of plants in spring, a shorter ice season on lakes and rivers, ocean heat content, reduced arctic sea ice, and rising sea levels.
Quoting Neapolitan:
Do you think the people who updated the map "fell for it" too? Here's what they said:

"Compared to the 1990 version, zone boundaries in this edition of the map have shifted in many areas. The new map is generally one 5-degree Fahrenheit half-zone warmer than the previous map throughout much of the United States."

Seriously, debate the causes or the effects of climate change, if you wish, but debating the fact that it's happening is beyond silly at this point. The planet is warming, period. And the new zone map has made accommodations for that.


And the USDA does not benefit at all for confirming or denying climate change, so they have no reason to make something up or cherrypick data for their own gains.
So the Co2 changes more than a little and the climate changes, but is the climate change all from man made pollutants or is there other factors involved like an El Nino or La Nina, a cold or warm PDO,AMO or Solar Min or Max. Their are so many variables that change the way the earths atmosphere heats or cools and I don't think we have all the answers yet. I don't like the idea of being taxed for something that we may have no contol over but I rather live in a warmer planet than one on the verge of an Ice Age if all of our so called knowledge about climate change is wrong. Billions of People will die if we enter another Ice Age and that would probably help with the excess CO2 problem. Just an idea.
THE DOMINO & POSITIVE FEEDBACK EFFECT OF JANUARY 2012 WARMTH ACROSS THE LOWER-48.

(Author: Me)

In particular order...

#1)Anthropogenic Warming - #2)Jet Stream Displacement Way North - #3)Severely Reduced Snowpack - #4)Anomalously Warm Temperatures.

Include LaNina / PNA / NAO wildcards
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE LAKE CHARLES LA
WED FEB 1 2012


SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS RETURN ON FRIDAY AHEAD OF A COLD FRONT
THAT WILL MOVE THROUGH THE REGION DURING THE DAY ON SATURDAY. A
FEW OF THESE STORMS WILL BE STRONG WITH GUSTY WINDS AND FREQUENT
CLOUD TO GROUND LIGHTNING. WE ARE FINALLY INTO A WET PERIOD THAT
WILL SEE THE CHANCE FOR SHOWERS INTO MONDAY.


Ok, only til Monday but I'll take it. :)
so called knowledge about climate change is wrong


To underestimate what we know is a Huge mistake,and it matter's not to the Facts of the matter. The Planet does not care about what any one Human thinks in the scheme of it all. The truth matters greatly though.

Its empirical.


Climate Model Indications and the Observed Climate

Global climate models clearly show the effect of human-induced changes on global temperatures. The blue band shows how global temperatures would have changed due to natural forces only (without human influence). The pink band shows model projections of the effects of human and natural forces combined. The black line shows actual observed global average temperatures. The close match between the black line and the pink band indicates that observed warming over the last half-century cannot be explained by natural factors alone, and is instead caused primarily by human factors.



Simulated global temperature in experiments that include human influences (pink line), and model experiments that included only natural factors (blue line). The black line is observed temperature change.
Quoting JNCali:
uh.. re the blog.. I understand the ability of animals and insects to move to more favorable locations but how do trees and bushes relocate?
(I am reminded of the cactus walking toward water in 'Rango')



trees and bushes stay in the same place. i guess, that when a bird eats some seed of it, and flies somewhere, poops it out in favorable location, it grows. lol.
When did climate change' transform into clean energy'?
What happened to climate change and global warming?
MAXWELL T. BOYKOFF



What happened to climate change and global warming?

The Earth is still getting hotter, but those terms have nearly disappeared from political vocabulary. Instead, they have been replaced by less charged and more consumer-friendly expressions for the warming planet.

President Barack Obama's State of the Union address Tuesday was a prime example of this shift. The president said climate change just once compared with zero mentions in the 2011 address and two in 2010. When he did utter the phrase, it was merely to acknowledge the polarized atmosphere in Washington, saying, The differences in this chamber may be too deep right now to pass a comprehensive plan to fight climate change.

By contrast, Obama used the terms energy and clean energy nearly two dozen times.

That tally reflects a broader change in how the president talks about the planet. A recent Brown University study looked specifically at the Obama administration's language and found that mentions of climate change have been replaced by calls for clean energy and energy independence.

Graciela Kincaid, a co-author of the study, wrote: The phrases climate change and global warming have become all but taboo on Capitol Hill. These terms are stunningly absent from the political arena.

In 2009, the Obama administration purposefully began to refer to greenhouse gas emissions as carbon pollution and heat-trapping emissions.

This change is evident in statements from top officials such as White House science adviser John Holdren, Energy Secretary Steven Chu, National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration head Jane Lubchenco and Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Lisa Jackson.

Lubchenco told a reporter that the choice of those terms is intended to make what's happening more understandable and more accessible to non-technical audiences.

These choices are also reflected in news coverage around the world. My colleague Maria Mansfield and I monitor 50 major newspapers in 20 countries, and we documented that explicit mentions of climate change and global warming dropped by more than a third from 2010 to 2011.

There is power in how language is deployed, and people setting policy agendas know this well. In 2002, Republican political strategist Frank Luntz issued a widely cited memo advising that the Bush administration should shift its rhetoric on the climate.

It's time for us to start talking about climate change instead of global warming. . . . Climate change is less frightening than global warming, the memo said.

Luntz was not alone in wanting to change the terminology. The nonprofit group EcoAmerica issued a report in 2009 arguing that the terms global warming and climate change both needed rebranding. In their place, the group recommended the phrase our deteriorating atmosphere.

But what do we lose when global warming and climate change get repackaged as clean energy? We wind up missing a thorough understanding of the breadth of the problem and the range of possible solutions.

To start, talking only about clean energy omits critical biological and physical factors that contribute to the warming climate.

Clean energy doesn't call to mind the ways we use the land and how the environment is changing. Where in the term is the notion of the climate pollution that results from clear-cutting Amazon rain forests? What about methane release in the Arctic, where global warming is exposing new areas of soil in the permafrost?

Clean energy also neatly bypasses any idea that we might need to curb our consumption. If the energy is clean, after all, why worry about how much we're using or how unequal the access to energy sources might be?

And terms such as carbon pollution ignore that climate change isn't just a carbon issue. Some greenhouse gases, such as nitrous oxide, do not contain carbon, and not all carbon-containing emissions, such as carbon monoxide, trap heat.

When the president moves away from talking about climate change and talks more generally about energy, as he did in the State of the Union, calling for an all-out, all-of-the-above strategy that develops every available source of American energy,% the impact is more than just political.

Calling climate change by another name creates limits of its own. The way we talk about the problem affects how we deal with it. And though some new wording may deflect political heat, it can't alter the fact that, climate change or not, the climate is changing.

Maxwell T. Boykoff is an assistant professor in the Center for Science and Technology Policy Research at the University of Colorado at Boulder and the author of Who Speaks for the Climate? Making Sense of Media Reporting on Climate Change. He wrote this for The Washington Post. Email him at boykoff@colorado.edu.

Read more here: http://www.thenewstribune.com/2012/02/01/2007334/w hen-did-climate-change-transform.html#storylink=cp y
Quoting TampaSpin:



Sounds like the accuracy between the 2 maps are greatly in question....along with all the other Crap we see about GW!


Your faith in the face of overwhelming facts that contradict your view is truly admirable.
Engineering school aint all its cracked up to be either...apparently.

: )
Quoting NativeSun:
So the Co2 changes more than a little and the climate changes, but is the climate change all from man made pollutants or is there other factors involved like an El Nino or La Nina, a cold or warm PDO,AMO or Solar Min or Max. Their are so many variables that change the way the earths atmosphere heats or cools and I don't think we have all the answers yet. I don't like the idea of being taxed for something that we may have no contol over but I rather live in a warmer planet than one on the verge of an Ice Age if all of our so called knowledge about climate change is wrong. Billions of People will die if we enter another Ice Age and that would probably help with the excess CO2 problem. Just an idea.


A warming world would be just as threatening as an ice age, if not even more dire. Look at the current drought in Texas and amply that through the entire upper Midwest..a.k.a. (worlds bread basket). How do you think the worlds population of 7 billion would react to one of major sources of food production going through a record drought, followed by record floods every decade. There is a direct correlation between Co2 and temperature of this planet. When one goes up the other follows.

Decade Total Increase Annual Rate of Increase
2002 %u2013 2011 20.72 ppm 2.07 ppm per year
1992 %u2013 2001 16.00 ppm 1.60 ppm per year
1982 %u2013 1991 15.10 ppm 1.51 ppm per year
1972 %u2013 1981 13.95 ppm 1.40 ppm per year
1962 %u2013 1971 8.88 ppm 0.89 ppm per year


As you increase the temperature, you increase the energy, which in turn increases chaos.
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"The old 1990 map was based on temperature data from only a 13-year period of 1974-1986, while the new map uses data from the 30-year period 1976-2005."

The comparison between the 1990 Hardiness map and the new Hardiness map very likely does not show a true difference because of the large overlap of comparing 1974-1986 and 1976-2005. The 1976-1986 is still in the new 1976-2005 data.

In other words, there would be a larger migration northward of those temperature comparisons if the 1990 release showed (for random example) 1956-1986, and the new one showed 1987-2007.

It would show a better representation if the 1976-1986 data was not included in the new release.

Given that the 1976-1986 data is included in the new release, a significant northward migration is still shown.
Borders, and Nationalism are the seeds of Conflict, thus the Seeds for War.
And it is War that has driven the expanse of technology.

Through out History.

We killed 180 million people in the 20th Century, the greatest number ever in Human History.

And it was driven by conflict, which in the end is Human thought.

The mind kills completely and efficiently.

History shows us that in stark reality.
Congratulations Grand Master Jeff!!! The only way for science to make the case will be if scientists make it personal. The Flat Earth crowd has played a much better game of this. Science needs to catch up. This blog entry is a great example of how scientists should try to communicate the issue.
Quoting NativeSun:
I would rather have it being a little warmer with a little higher CO2 count for the vegetation than an Ice Age or a colder earth.


Oh? And what happens if that little bit of warming turns the most arable land into desert by shifting the jetstream? Or what happens when a species migrates to an area where there is no natural predators? Or what happens when the cooler temperatures is what was keeping a the pest population in check (see the bark beetle and the pine forest devastation for that one)?

Rapid change on any scale, warm or cold, will have consequences. The sooner everyone realizes this, the better off we will all be.
Quoting mharr:
Oh, come on, Dr. Masters. I don't believe that you fell for this, too (as did most of the media reporting on this new map).

Most of the visible changes in the map are primarily due to changing from 10 zones to 13 zones! Some areas did have a warmer zone, but many actually have a cooler zone. The map only looks warmer because there are more zones, and the colors were shifted "upwards". They could have shifted the colors "downwards" and the media would all be reporting on the "coming ice age" again.


The previously utilized zones (zone 1-zone 11)represent the same temperature ranges on the new 2012 map as they did on the 1990 map. For example, zone 9 still represents areas where annual extreme temps average 20-30F. They merely added two zones on top of the previous 11 zones, to account for areas where annual extreme lows average between 50-60F (zone 12) and 60-70F (zone 13). Thus, no change to the definitions of zones 1-11 was made whatsoever.
To Tampa: I did a data analysis on the interactive Hardiness Zone Map compared with actual recorded temperatures and it is astoundingly accurate. In fact, it turned out that it was even more accurate than I thought it would be.

The accuracy of the interactive map just dazzled me.
55~ I think the term clean energy is more accepted by the coal industry to whom it is the lesser of the two evils.

As much as I'm against clean coal the technology is here. Not just CO2 but other pollutants the ones killing 10s of thousands a year prematurely in the USA & giving respiratory illnesses to kids at rates we've never seen, could be slashed huge this year if they can get the cross state air rule passed. Not only would the death rate drop, new jobs would be formed. House passed a bill to delay it..
48 WxGeekVA "...the USDA does not benefit at all for confirming or denying climate change"

The USDA ain't that dumb. During the press conference accompanying the presentation of the new Plant Hardiness Zone Map, the USDA spokesman went way out of her way to avoid confirming any connection with ClimateChange. The reporters might have as well said, "Here, step on this landmine..." as to have asked such a politically loaded question.
The House on Friday passed the first in a planned series of Republican bills to effectively block the Environmental Protection Agency from reining in toxic pollution under the Clean Air Act.

We expect no less from the ones on the right.

Obstruction and personal interest trump whats good for the Country and the Planet, every time.


Clearly, the right is NOT on America's side. Their total disdain of what is the correct thing to do, is trumped by their collective arrogance, ignorance and greed.

Quoting NativeSun:
So the Co2 changes more than a little and the climate changes, but is the climate change all from man made pollutants or is there other factors involved like an El Nino or La Nina, a cold or warm PDO,AMO or Solar Min or Max.


The normal solar min and max cycles do not appreciably affect the Earth's energy budget (i.e, they balance out over climate scales).

The AMO, PDO, and other such features do not create heat. The Earth does not create any appreciable amount of surface warming. It all comes from the sun.

Their are so many variables that change the way the earths atmosphere heats or cools and I don't think we have all the answers yet. I don't like the idea of being taxed for something that we may have no contol over but I rather live in a warmer planet than one on the verge of an Ice Age if all of our so called knowledge about climate change is wrong.


A warmer planet does not mean life will be easier or better. Extinction events throughout Earth's history have often been a result of rapid climate change, both warming and cooling. Rapid change of any kind in climate has consequences and it is naive to think that they will not impact humans.

Billions of People will die if we enter another Ice Age and that would probably help with the excess CO2 problem. Just an idea.


Billions of people will die if the current arable land we feed everyone with turns into burning desert.

Warm does not automatically imply better.
Grim news -

Climate change drying out forests in western Canada

Research shows northern forests in the three prairie provinces are
drying up and shrinking from drought caused by climate change, while the
eastern boreal forest is holding its own.

A paper published Monday suggests the forests of Alberta,
Saskatchewan and Manitoba are already emitting more greenhouse gases
than they absorb.

The finding could overturn assumptions that global warming would improve growing conditions for trees in the North.


Read more: http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Canada/20120130/Climate -change-drying-out-forests-in-western-Canada-12013 0/#ixzz1l9dCwaSj

THE GLOBAL OCEAN is warming, but some places are feeling the heat
more than others. The Tasman Sea, east of Australia, has been identified
in a new study as one of five global ocean “hotspots”.

Temperatures here have risen here by 2ºC over the past 60 years –
three times the average rate of warming in the the world’s oceans. The
warming has been triggered by strengthening wind systems – a result of
climate change – which have driven warm ocean currents toward the poles,
beyond their known boundaries.

The rising temperatures could have stark consequences not only for
marine life, but for the ocean’s capacity to take up heat and carbon
from the atmosphere.
http://www.australiangeographic.com.au/journal/ta sman-sea-a-hotspot-for-ocean-warming-climate-chang e.htm

SALMON, Idaho, Jan. 28, 2012 (Reuters) — Bird enthusiasts are
reporting rising numbers of snowy owls from the Arctic winging into the
lower 48 states this winter in a mass southern migration that a leading
owl researcher called “unbelievable.”
Thousands of the snow-white birds, which stand 2 feet tall with
5-foot wingspans, have been spotted from coast to coast, feeding in
farmlands in Idaho, roosting on rooftops in Montana, gliding over golf
courses in Missouri and soaring over shorelines in Massachusetts.

http://www.newsdaily.com/stories/tre80r0mp-us-owl s-migration/
Strange days .
Hi ILwthrfan, Texas is part of the Desert Southwest, there always will be droughts in that part of the country (dust bowl years) and there have been droughts in that part of the country and flooding in the midwest long before this climate change agenda came to be. We have very little control over the cooling and warming of this planet, like I said before we dont posses the knowledge to say CO2 is 100% the cause of climate change. If CO2 was a major gas and a pollutant than maybe their would be some concern. We can't predict the weather from week to week with our models, how are we going to predict whats going to happen 80 to 100 years from now with the climate models. I'll bet the next 20 to 30 years the earth will continue to cool as it is now and everyone will be calling for an Ice Age ala the 70s.
To argue with a fool is to his advantage.

Quoting Patrap:
To argue with a fool is to his advantage.


I'll have you to know i resemble that remark. Why do you have it in for me?

(FIRST!) ;^)}
Quoting Patrap:
To argue with a fool is to his advantage.

Your all being played by a certain "perma-banned imitation of Life".

Move on to more constructive things.
Yes. Like beating my head repeatedly against a wall... ;-)

I ran some quick numbers on Arctic Sea ice area for comparison purposes. In the month of January, 2007, there was a net gain of 1.321 million km2 of ice. For January of 2011, that net gain was 1.182 million km2. But for 2012, that gain was a mere 0.863 million km2.
Quoting ShenValleyFlyFish:

I'll have you to know i resemble that remark. Why do you have it in for me?

(FIRST!) ;^)}


Any Man who can wear a Fine Hat indoor's..,I'll not toy with.

But Sadly, the Price of wisdom,is age.




"Novelty" does not even avoid Politics, as we slide down the TimeWave Zero.

'Gasland' Journalists Arrested At Hearing By Order Of House Republicans (UPDATES)


Quoting Patrap:
The House on Friday passed the first in a planned series of Republican bills to effectively block the Environmental Protection Agency from reining in toxic pollution under the Clean Air Act.

We expect no less from the ones on the right.

Obstruction and personal interest trump whats good for the Country and the Planet, every time.


Clearly, the right is NOT on America's side. Their total disdain of what is the correct thing to do, is trumped by their collective arrogance, ignorance and greed.



i would like to destroy the EPA. aint done nothin good but spend money i think.
Quoting NativeSun:
So the Co2 changes more than a little and the climate changes, but is the climate change all from man made pollutants or is there other factors involved like an El Nino or La Nina, a cold or warm PDO,AMO or Solar Min or Max.


Internal climate cycles like the PDO, AMO, or ENSO, do not create nor destroy heat energy. They are merely the observed representation of the earth's attempts to redistribute already accumulated heat at varying magnitudes and speeds.
Quoting SPLbeater:


i would like to destroy the EPA. aint done nothin good but spend money i think.


Tell that to all the cleaned up superfund sites. Love Canal? Times Beach? Cuyahoga River?

There are dozens of such sites in my state alone that have been transformed from their toxic pasts into useable land once again.
Iggy closing in on Western Australia, 60 knot windspeeds n decreasin..
Quoting NativeSun:
Hi ILwthrfan, Texas is part of the Desert Southwest, there always will be droughts in that part of the country (dust bowl years) and there have been droughts in that part of the country and flooding in the midwest long before this climate change agenda came to be. We have very little control over the cooling and warming of this planet, like I said before we dont posses the knowledge to say CO2 is 100% the cause of climate change. If CO2 was a major gas and a pollutant than maybe their would be some concern. We can't predict the weather from week to week with our models, how are we going to predict whats going to happen 80 to 100 years from now with the climate models. I'll bet the next 20 to 30 years the earth will continue to cool as it is now and everyone will be calling for an Ice Age ala the 70s.


I do agree that models can only be so accurate and never will be 100%, but at least look at the data we do have to be accurate and make an assumption.



The graph above shows the exact idea you where referring to back in the 70's when scientists were predicting an "Ice Age". You can see from 1940 to 1980 or so we had no increase in global temperature and a slight negative trend, but look at what we have accomplished since 1980...Almost a 4 degree C increase. Now the earth has natural cycles, but this is just a small piece of data from a much larger picture.


Same data-set, bigger picture...blue represents temperature and Co2 is in green. Notice the correlation between the two. They mirror each other perfectly, so we do know that increasing Co2 = higher temperature. I am curious to your point of view on this data?
Looks like the MJO is returning next week just in time for maybe a little early season fun.



As a result of the MJO try to find FL on the GFS 12 precip accum map.

Very very rare to see such a wet pattern developing across FL & the SE US in a La Nina event.
Quoting NativeSun:
So the Co2 changes more than a little and the climate changes, but is the climate change all from man made pollutants or is there other factors involved like an El Nino or La Nina, a cold or warm PDO,AMO or Solar Min or Max. Their are so many variables that change the way the earths atmosphere heats or cools and I don't think we have all the answers yet. I don't like the idea of being taxed for something that we may have no contol over but I rather live in a warmer planet than one on the verge of an Ice Age if all of our so called knowledge about climate change is wrong. Billions of People will die if we enter another Ice Age and that would probably help with the excess CO2 problem. Just an idea.


we've already proven we can effect the climate on local and worldwide levels (see CFCs). anytime someone says we can't I know immediately they've done little to no research on the subject and don't know what they're talking about.
When I read this blog post, I was really interested to check Google Earth to see how drastically the landscape had changed in Canada. I fully expected to verify what's in this "Northward Expansion of Trees..." map.

Either their methodology for drawing the map is bad or the map is just terrible.

First, there are places that OBVIOUSLY have been forested for quite a long time, but are shown on the map as only gaining trees since 1982 as a result of climate change. Does anyone really think that the parts of the Côte-Nord region of Quebec next to the Saint Lawrence had no trees before 1982. Look at the following locations:
50.43510° N, 64.40846° W
51.95261° N, 62.86960° W
50.67476° N, 64.59611° W
51.31422° N, 58.47182° W
Numerous photos around these areas show that these trees form thick, fully-developed forests. And considering the growth rates of these types of trees in these cold climates, many of these trees must be at least 50 years old. If there is any truth to their map, they must have used an incredibly liberal definition of treeline.

Second, there are some areas which still show up as completely tundra, both from satellite pictures and from recent photographs.
64.512887° N, 101.361422° W appears to me to be within the 2000 treeline, but pictures from the area show complete tundra.

A quick Google search would have clued the authors in to the fact that their analysis methods, or baseline, or something was incorrect.

If the data was only good for their transect, they should have just published that ... and then written another paper for another transect ... and so forth.

Publishing a map like this destroys their credibility.
Quoting SPLbeater:


i would like to destroy the EPA. aint done nothin good but spend money i think.


Is it painful when your knee jerks like that?
129 record daily low minimum temperatures were set or tied across the continental U.S. in January, 2012:

Uh-oh

Meanwhile, 3,068 record daily high maximum temperatures were set or tied across the continental U.S. in January, 2012:

Uh-oh

Source...









Link

Lovely day at the pool today, Outlook for us remains warm, while others need their Tuques.
When the president moves away from talking about climate change and talks more generally about energy, as he did in the State of the Union, calling for an all-out, all-of-the-above strategy that develops every available source of American energy, the impact is more than just political.

It just might get him re-elected. All talk about 'the left this' and 'the right that' discounts the fact that none of these folk elected themselves. If the discussion is moving in the "energy" direction, it's because that's where the discussion leaders think that the votes are. Our votes. That points the mirror, and the blame, squarely where they belong. At you and me.

I work at a lab where climate change and ocean acidification are major components of the work. The parking lot is full of cars, every day. I rest my case.
My PWS is reporting 69 degrees. WTH? Absolutely insane to have the average high for May on the 1st of February!
Quoting GeoffreyWPB:
George VI Ice Shelf Antarctic Lakes Move Up To 5 Feet Per Day


from the above,



Pine Island Glacier ice shelf rift
NASA's DC-8 flies across the crack forming across the Pine Island Glacier ice shelf on Oct. 26, 2011. The ice shelf is in the midst of a natural process of calving a large iceberg, which it hasn't done since 2001


also related,

Pine Island Glacier

In mid-October 2011, NASA scientists working in Antarctica discovered a massive crack across the Pine Island Glacier, a major ice stream that drains the West Antarctic Ice Sheet. Extending for 19 miles (30 kilometers), the crack was 260 feet (80 meters) wide and 195 feet (60 meters) deep. Eventually, the crack will extend all the way across the glacier, and calve a giant iceberg that will cover about 350 square miles (900 square kilometers).

This image from the Advanced Spaceborne Thermal Emission and Reflection Radiometer (ASTER) instrument on NAS's Terra spacecraft was acquired Nov. 13, 2011, and covers an area of 27 by 32 miles (44 by 52 kilometers), and is located near 74.9 degrees south latitude, 101.1 degrees west longitude.

Image Credit: NASA/GSFC/METI/ERSDAC/JAROS, and U.S./Japan ASTER Science Team




97. N3EG
Interesting topic. I live in WA state at 46 degrees north, and have seen smaller mimosa trees either die (in my back yard!) or be reduced to small annual shoots each year. Older trees have survived, but new ones will not take hold. I thought the milder winters would help them. Another case of our PDO overriding the effects of AGW? Sure seems that way, with the longer cool temperatures here in spring.
I know it is wayyyyy early for this, but SST anomolies off the NE coast are super toasty!
Quoting N3EG:
Interesting topic. I live in WA state at 46 degrees north, and have seen smaller mimosa trees either die (in my back yard!) or be reduced to small annual shoots each year. Older trees have survived, but new ones will not take hold. I thought the milder winters would help them. Another case of our PDO overriding the effects of AGW? Sure seems that way, with the longer cool temperatures here in spring.


I'm also in WA (around 48 north). While the mean winter temps are higher, there have been sharper and longer cold snaps these last two winters. Tender plants are more likely to reflect the extremes than the mean, I think.
Brain signal analysis could allow paralysed to speak
1 February 2012




With neuroprosthetics, people have shown that it's possible to control movement with brain activity, said project collaborator Dr Robert Knight of UC Berkeley. But that work, while not easy, is relatively simple compared to reconstructing language. This experiment takes that earlier work to a whole new level.

High Novelty Human Tragedy with rescue underway at Soccer Stadium Match in Egypt.
Quoting Patrap:
High Novelty Human Tragedy with rescue underway at Soccer Stadium Match in Egypt.


Egyptian official: 73 dead, hundreds hurt in riots after soccer game
Quoting presslord:


Is it painful when your knee jerks like that?


no actually my knees were not jerking. I dont say anything without confidence behind it.
Europe freeze kills 89, fears rise over Russian gas

Death toll approaching 100 in the Europe cold wave, temperatures expected to drop below -30 C in parts of Poland, Romania & Bulgaria tonight.
God Bless the crew of Columbia. Feb 1st, 2003.
Damages from tropical cyclones expected to double by 2100 February 1, 2012

Tropical cyclones will cause $109 billion in damages by 2100, according to Yale and MIT researchers in a paper published in Nature Climate Change.

That figure represents an increased vulnerability from population and especially economic growth, as well as the effects of climate change. Greater vulnerability to cyclones is expected to increase global tropical damage to $56 billion by 2100 double the current damage from the current rate of $26 billion per year if the present climate remains stable.

Climate change is predicted to add another $53 billion of damages. The damage caused by climate change is equal to 0.01 percent of GDP in 2100.

The United States and China will be hardest hit, incurring $25 billion and $15 billion of the additional damages from climate change, respectively, amounting to 75 percent of the global damages caused by climate change. Small islands, especially in the Caribbean, will also be hit hard, suffering the highest damages per unit of GDP.

The research reveals that more intense storms will become more frequent with climate change. "The biggest storms cause most of the damage," said Robert Mendelsohn, the lead economist on the project. "With the present climate, almost 93 percent of tropical cyclone damage is caused by only 10 percent of the storms. Warming will increase the frequency of these high-intensity storms at least in the North Pacific and North Atlantic Ocean basins, causing most of the increase in damage."

The authors based their estimates on a future global population of 9 billion and an annual increase of approximately 3 percent in gross world product until 2100. "More people making a lot more income will put more capital in harm's way," he said.

Tropical cyclones today cause $26 billion in global damages, which is 4 percent of gross world product. North America and East Asia account for 88 percent of these damages, because these regions have powerful storms and well-developed coastlines.

The future economic damage from tropical cyclones will be less than $1 billion a year in Europe and South America because there are few storms there, and the damage in Africa will be low because, Mendelsohn said, there is "relatively little in harm's way." Damages in Asia and Central America are expected to grow rapidly in concert with high economic growth. The Caribbean-Central America region will have the highest damage per unit of gross domestic product 37 percent.

"When you calculate damages as a fraction of GDP, island nations are hit disproportionately hard," he said.

More information: The paper, "The Impact of Climate Change on Global Tropical Cyclone Damage," is available at http://www.nature.com

Provided by Yale University (news : web)
Comet Garradd to make its closeth approach to Earth in March
Posted on February 1, 2012


February 1, 2012 – SPACE – The star cluster and the comet are both located in the constellation Hercules, high overhead in northern hemisphere skies before sunrise. Sky and Telescope offers a sky map of the comet’s path. Observers with computerized GOTO telescopes can track the comet by plugging in orbital elements from the Minor Planet Center. At the moment, Comet Garradd has an astronomical magnitude of +6.5, invisible to the naked eye but an easy target for backyard telescopes. Forecasters expect it to brighten by a factor of ~2 in the weeks ahead as the comet approaches Earth for a 1.3 AU close encounter in early March. This could be a good time to invest in a Comet Hunter. –Space Weather
Quoting SPLbeater:


no actually my knees were not jerking. I dont say anything without confidence behind it.


it isn't an issue of lack of confidence...so much as lack of evidence
Quoting FatPenguin:


we've already proven we can effect the climate on local and worldwide levels (see CFCs). anytime someone says we can't I know immediately they've done little to no research on the subject and don't know what they're talking about.


CFC's have nothing to do with atmospheric CO2 content. Ultraviolet Radiation and Greenhouse Gases are independent of one another.
Superfund sites


A Superfund site is an uncontrolled or abandoned place where hazardous waste is located, possibly affecting local ecosystems or people. Sites are listed on the National Priorities List (NPL) upon completion of Hazard Ranking System (HRS) screening, public solicitation of comments about the proposed site, and after all comments have been addressed.

Over the past 20+ years, Superfund has located and analyzed tens of thousands of hazardous waste sites, protected people and the environment from contamination at the worst sites, and involved states, local communities, and other partners in cleanup. Superfund measures its cleanup accomplishments through various criteria including construction and post construction completions of hazardous waste sites.
Beaver Dam Creek Sludge Release
Rose Hill, NC - EPA Region IV
NRC#: 917748




Uploaded by AnacostiaWS on Jun 15, 2010
Concerned members of Friends of Lower Beaverdam Creek (FLBC) in Prince George's County, Maryland found potential pollution in Tuxedo Business Park while they were hiking. The case was reported to AWS and our Water Quality Specialist, Masaya Maeda, investigated and documented this case.



Carp invasion threatens North American fish industry
Posted on February 1, 2012
February 1, 2012 – Environmentalists in North America are looking at options to control an invasive species of fish, the Asian carp, which threatens to squeeze out other species if its numbers continue to grow. Imported as a farmed species in the 1970s, Bighead and Silver carp from China were first seen as a way to produce cheap food, but floodwaters overwhelmed the fish farms, spreading the fish throughout the U.S. Midwest. The threat from the species is so grave that authorities could end up spending billions of dollars and physically separating two river basins. –Al
117. flsky
"Found: Earth's Missing Energy"
Link
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Published: January 31st, 2012 at 10:40 PM EDT By Enenews
109 comments
Report: ‘Empty’ Reactor No. 4 was actually filled with nuclear fuel — Only a matter of time before melt-out

Source: Numayu Date: Jan 31, 2012

Translated by Fukushima Diary:
[...] The nuclear worker is trustworthy. [...] Please read the post below as a story I heard from a Fukushima worker. [...]
Tepco was planning to start reactor 4 in the AM of 311.
(The nuclear fuel was in reactor.) [...]
Soon after the earthquake hit it, meltdown started.
Because reactor 4 was stand-by, cooling system could not be started either. [...]
The damage of reactor 4 is serious. [...]
In the container vessel of reactor4, melted fuel is stocked, but there is no technology developed to pick it up, it’s only the matter of time for it to have melt-out. The longest time would be one year.
If another earthquake hits it, it’s over.
Technically speaking, if it goes melt-out, it would flow to the sea.
Pacific ocean side of Japan and west side of America won’t be inhabitable anymore.


Sea contamination level increased on 1/30/2012
Posted by Mochizuki on February 1st, 2012
Tepco announced the samples taken at intake of reactor 2 and 3 contained more radiation then the ones of 1/29/2012.

1/30/2012
At intake of reactor 2
Cesium 134 : 130,000 Bq/m3
Cesium 137 : 170,000 Bq/m3

At intake of reactor 3
Cesium 134 : 260,000 Bq/m3
Cesium 137 : 340,000 Bq/m3

TEPCO says 8.5 tons of water leaked from Fukushima No. 4 reactor TOKYO, Feb. 1, Kyodo

Tokyo Electric Power Co. said Wednesday that 8.5 tons of radioactive water leaked from the No. 4 reactor of the crisis-hit Fukushima Daiichi power plant because a pipe connected to the reactor dropped off, but added that the liquid has not flowed outside the reactor building.
At the time of the devastating earthquake and tsunami last March 11, the reactor's fuel rods were in its spent fuel pool due to maintenance work that was taking place. The water contains radioactive materials as it is mixed up with water that is in contact with the fuel in the spent fuel tank.
According to the utility known as TEPCO, water was found to have leaked onto the floor of the No. 4 unit building at 10:30 p.m. Tuesday. The leak was stopped at 10:43 p.m. by closing a valve, officials said.
Quoting SPLbeater:


i would like to destroy the EPA. aint done nothin good but spend money i think.

Spoken like a true thirteen year old.
Genetic information migrates across species barriers from plant to plant.
As for why that's posted here, it does raise some*hope that survival traits can be passed between some species fast enough to allow adaptation to keep up with rapid ClimateChange.

* Which is better than having nothing to hope upon.
#89

"Publishing a map like this destroys their credibility."

I agree that credibility is important. When you speak in terms of us and them (the reference to "their") it destroys yours. Whatever happens will affect all of us. Perhaps you just misspoke?

Close-up of the Left Bipod Foam Ramp that broke off and damaged the Shuttle wing.
Crickets, once only known to southern Alberta(from old field books in the 70s) are now heard in central and norther Alberta.
I started to notice the crickets in my area(south of Edmonton) in 2007, and by Aug 2008 they made themselves at home!

Quoting StormTracker2K:
Very very rare to see such a wet pattern developing across FL & the SE US in a La Nina event.
Very true..Has not materialized yet tho...
A Fantastic soaker today, over a inch here already.





Change coming for some of us..SHORT RANGE FORECAST DISCUSSION
NWS HYDROMETEOROLOGICAL PREDICTION CENTER CAMP SPRINGS MD
357 PM EST WED FEB 01 2012

VALID 00Z THU FEB 02 2012 - 00Z SAT FEB 04 2012

...EXTREMELY WARM CONDITIONS WILL COME TO AN END ACROSS THE
EASTERN U.S....

...A SURFACE CYCLONE DEVELOPING OVER THE SOUTH CENTRAL U.S. WILL
BRING A SWATH OF HEAVY SNOW TO THE CENTRAL PLAINS LATE IN THE
FORECAST PERIOD...

A COLD FRONT MOVING TOWARDS THE EASTERN SEABOARD WILL GRADUALLY
BRING AN END TO THE EXTREMELY WARM CONDITIONS ACROSS THE EASTERN
THIRD OF THE COUNTRY. THE NORTHERN PORTION OF THE FRONT IS
EXPECTED TO PUSH OFF THE NORTHEAST COAST BY WEDNESDAY
EVENING...BRINGING COOLER AND DRIER CONDITIONS TO THE UPPER OHIO
VALLEY...SOUTHERN NEW ENGLAND...AND NORTHERN MID-ATLANTIC STATES
BY EARLY THURSDAY MORNING. A FEW LINGERING SNOW SHOWERS WILL BE
POSSIBLE ACROSS INTERIOR NEW ENGLAND THROUGH THURSDAY AFTERNOON AS
THE ANCHORING SURFACE LOW STRENGTHENS AND MOVES UP THE COASTLINE.

THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE BOUNDARY WILL BE SLOWER TO PUSH
THROUGH THE TENNESSEE AND MISSISSIPPI VALLEYS WEDNESDAY
NIGHT...ALLOWING FOR SCATTERED SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS FROM THE
CENTRAL GULF COAST...NORTHWARD INTO THE LOWER OHIO RIVER
VALLEY...AND EASTWARD OFF THE SOUTHERN MID-ATLANTIC AND SOUTHEAST
COAST. MOST PRECIPITATION ACROSS THE REGION WILL BE LIGHT IN
NATURE...BUT A STREAK OF MORE MODERATE RAINS WILL BE POSSIBLE NEAR
A SURFACE WAVE ALONG THE FRONT TRACKING FROM THE TENNESSEE VALLEY
TO THE VIRGINIA COAST. ENERGY ALOFT WILL HELP STRENGTHEN THE WAVE
AS IT TRACKS NORTHEASTWARD AND AIDE IN PUSHING THE SOUTHERN
PORTION OF THE FRONT OFF THE CAROLINA COAST. PRECIPITATION SHOULD
COME TO AND END...AND TEMPERATURES SHOULD BEGIN TO FALL ACROSS
MUCH OF THE SOUTHERN MID-ATLANTIC STATES AND SOUTHEAST BY EARLY
THURSDAY AFTERNOON.

A WEAK COLD FRONT DROPPING SOUTH AND EAST THROUGH THE NORTHWESTERN
CORNER OF THE COUNTRY WEDNESDAY NIGHT WILL CONTINUE TO TRIGGER
WIDESPREAD...BUT LIGHT...SNOW SHOWERS ACROSS THE INTERMOUNTAIN
WEST AND NORTHERN TO CENTRAL ROCKIES. SOME ISOLATED AREAS OF MORE
MODERATE SNOWFALL ACCUMULATIONS WILL BE POSSIBLE IN THE WAKE OF
THE FRONT...ALONG THE FAVORED SLOPES OF THE HIGHER TERRAIN. THE
ENERGY ALOFT SUPPORTING THIS FRONT IS EXPECTED TO AMPLIFY AS IT
CROSSES THE WESTERN U.S. WEDNESDAY EVENING AND EVENTUALLY CARVE
OUT A BROAD TROUGH OVER THE FOUR CORNERS REGION. BY THURSDAY
EVENING...A PIECE OF THE ENERGY ALOFT WILL EJECT OUT OF THE
ROCKIES AND AIDE IN STRENGTHENING A SURFACE LOW OVER THE SOUTHERN
HIGH PLAINS. AS THE LOW DEEPENS AND TRACKS NORTHEASTWARDS ON
FRIDAY...WIDESPREAD PRECIPITATION IS EXPECTED TO BREAK OUT ACROSS
THE SOUTH CENTRAL U.S.. SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS AHEAD OF A TRAILING
COLD FRONT...HEAVY RAINS AHEAD AND ALONG A STRENGTHENING WARM
FRONT...AND ACCUMULATING SNOWS TO THE NORTHWEST OF THE LOW TRACK
WILL ALL BE POSSIBLE WITH THIS DEVELOPING SYSTEM.


GERHARDT
Quoting theamoeba:
When the president moves away from talking about climate change and talks more generally about energy, as he did in the State of the Union, calling for an all-out, all-of-the-above strategy that develops every available source of American energy, the impact is more than just political.

It just might get him re-elected. All talk about 'the left this' and 'the right that' discounts the fact that none of these folk elected themselves. If the discussion is moving in the "energy" direction, it's because that's where the discussion leaders think that the votes are. Our votes. That points the mirror, and the blame, squarely where they belong. At you and me.

I work at a lab where climate change and ocean acidification are major components of the work. The parking lot is full of cars, every day. I rest my case.

Most CO2 The largest source of CO2 I should have said, about 40% -- is produced from generating electricity. If we would stop that then it would be an immediate end to this discussion.
Quoting SPLbeater:


no actually my knees were not jerking. I dont say anything without confidence behind it.


You misspelled ignorance.
Fallout beginning...

The cuts will fall most heavily on the airline's maintenance operations, which will lose 4,600 jobs. More than 4,000 additional ground worker jobs will be eliminated, as will 2,300 flight attendant jobs.
Management will be reduced by 1,400 employees



Quoting theamoeba:
When the president moves away from talking about climate change and talks more generally about energy, as he did in the State of the Union, calling for an all-out, all-of-the-above strategy that develops every available source of American energy, the impact is more than just political.

It just might get him re-elected. All talk about 'the left this' and 'the right that' discounts the fact that none of these folk elected themselves. If the discussion is moving in the "energy" direction, it's because that's where the discussion leaders think that the votes are. Our votes. That points the mirror, and the blame, squarely where they belong. At you and me.

I work at a lab where climate change and ocean acidification are major components of the work. The parking lot is full of cars, every day. I rest my case.


Our votes mean nothing in the presidential election.

The president is not elected by popular vote.

The only reason the popular vote exists is to make you feel like you matter. You don't.
This needs to pan out for coastal TX, need this

ILwthrfan, I do agree with you that CO2 can cause temps in the atmosphere to rise, but I don't think Co2 is the driver behind Gobal Change in the atmosphere. Also are the temperatures on the graph recorded with satellites or thermometers on land. My opinion is that their is too much we don't know about the dynamics that control climate change to blame CO2 as the main componet that affects temperature change in the atmosphere. Hopefully in the near future we will have a better understanding of what is causing the climate to change. I just hope we can change to stop the increase in atmospheric temperature and it is CO2 and not something that is happening as part of a natural cycle which we have no control over. Maybe over poulation is causing the temperature to rise.
Some severe wx warnings are out for these cells.

Storms approaching FSU land.



Yay.

The Keeling Curve will have a slope of 4 or more by 2030.

After all, the oceans absorb so much right now, but even if that could continue indefinitely, the Keeling Curve doesn't go up by the total CO2 we produce. It goes up by the excess that isn't going into Ocean Acidification.

Numbers like that suggest a 100% increase in the excess, therefore slope becomes something like 4 to 4.5.

Then, if the oceans come into equilibrium, the CO2 being sequestered there won't happen any more, and the slope will increase to as much as 6 or 7.

Slope might reach 3 by 2020, I guess.
Europe stays cold..Look at the size and strength of that high pressure area.....its huge
WIKI -This figure shows the history of atmospheric carbon dioxide concentrations as directly measured at Mauna Loa, Hawaii. This curve is known as the Keeling curve, and is an essential piece of evidence of the man-made increases in greenhouse gases that some believe to be the cause of global warming. The longest such record exists at Mauna Loa, but these measurements have been independently confirmed at many other sites around the world .

The annual fluctuation in carbon dioxide is caused by seasonal variations in carbon dioxide uptake by land plants. Since many more forests are concentrated in the Northern Hemisphere, more carbon dioxide is removed from the atmosphere during Northern Hemisphere summer than Southern Hemisphere summer. This annual cycle is shown in the inset figure by taking the average concentration for each month across all measured years.
The grey curve shows the average monthly concentrations, and red curve is a moving 12 month average.
Quoting NativeSun:
ILwthrfan, I do agree with you that CO2 can cause temps in the atmosphere to rise, but I don't think Co2 is the driver behind Gobal Change in the atmosphere. Maybe over poulation is causing the temperature to rise.


Ya think there's a correlation between population increasing at over 12% per decade and pollution.

Beijing is buried in garbage and feces right now.

New York City is shipping out garbage by the megatons on trains to other states, because they have no place to put all the waste they make.

yah think that whole "throw away a plastic bottle with a 500 year life expectancy after just one use," thing might contribute?

hehe.

Ain't seen nothing yet.

When they run out of oil, the food industry is going to require a replacement for all that nice plastic packaging that keeps meats and cheeses fresh, and for now, the only real solution I can think of is loads and loads of salt and preservatives. There aren't enough trees to cut down to make the amount of wax paper or other wrappers you'd need, especially when the population is supposed to be 9 billion in 20 or 30 years.

the deli will be selling rotten food, or else everything will be shipped in much more expensive, recyclable glass containers, since there's enough sand I guess.
Quoting hydrus:
Close-up of the Left Bipod Foam Ramp that broke off and damaged the Shuttle wing.


And to think, that small piece of foam is the direct cause as to why we saw the shuttle's final go last year.
If you mix ingredients in a food mixer you get a blend.
If you mix molten metals together you get an alloy.

Nobody denies this but if you say that mixing high proportions of gases into the atmosphere that were either not naturally present or were locked up in a solid stable state,previously, then a lot of people say it wont have any effect, or that in "their facts" it is having the opposite effect from what the evidence points to.
We can have blends and alloys but we don't seem to be able to have the properties of the atmosphere changed!
There are compounds and mixtures, most people would agree that food mixes and alloys are compounds (difficult to separate again,)Few people seem to be able to grasp that the pollution in the atmosphere will act like a compound as well and be virtually impossible to separate in a reasonable amount of time. IE Lifetimes.
The result of this atmospheric experiment is an irreversible compound,its effects are becoming more evident. Sometimes you have just got to accept the evidence and the results!
Arctic coast beach holidays next?
Quoting presslord:


it isn't an issue of lack of confidence...so much as lack of evidence


what are you trying to prove?
Quoting AlwaysThinkin:


You misspelled ignorance.


i dont care
Quoting hydrus:
Europe stays cold..Look at the size and strength of that high pressure area.....its huge


Now...that is the same thing as blocking, right? a strong ridge in the mid to northern latitudes to block the jet stream from continuing east??
110 westernmob "CFC's have nothing to do with atmospheric CO2 content. Ultraviolet Radiation and Greenhouse Gases are independent of one another."

1) You missed FatPenguin's point entirely, which was to provide a different atmospheric counter-example against the idea that "Nothing man can do can affect the environment."
2) CFCs are extremely powerful greenhouse gases.
3) CFCs are broken by UV-catalysis to react with atmospheric oxygen to produce carbon dioxide plus fluorine and chlorine compounds. Those fluorine and chlorine compounds, not the CFCs, in turn catalyse the breakdown of ozone.
4) Ozone is both a UV shield and an extremely powerful greenhouse gas. Methane is an extremely powerful greenhouse gas broken down into water and CO2 by reactions with hydroxyl radicals (OH from the UV-breakup of H20) and ozone. And ozone is broken down by its interaction with methane.
Quoting SPLbeater:


what are you trying to prove?


I think he is asking for physical, scientifically confirmed proof of God so that you can confirm your theories that you constantly state about creationism and the supposed age of the planet....
Noting:-139. RTSplayer
"the deli will be selling rotten food, or else everything will be shipped in much more expensive, recyclable glass containers, since there's enough sand I guess."

The food solution is simple though a bit hard to accept.
Today's mass manufactured, basic,instant,convenience foods and snacks will have to be replaced by a sot of thick soup similar to baby foods. This will come in endless flavours and be supplied in returnable containers which will be charged a deposit for at the point of purchase. Glass will probably not be used new much as it needs a lot of energy to make it,so some form of plastic container will be utilized.
The privileged few millions/billions will still be able to get food that looks like food but at a high price.
I'm sure "space station food," will become much more the norm in the near future.
Quoting SPLbeater:


then all he has to do is look around him at the very planet he lives on. wasnt for God, it wouldnt be here.

I dont argue anymore. I just hit ignore:)


Well I haven't been ignored yet... lol
Quoting SPLbeater:


Now...that is the same thing as blocking, right? a strong ridge in the mid to northern latitudes to block the jet stream from continuing east??
One might think so. It has been there for weeks....Met Office view

High pressure centred over northern Russia is preventing weather systems in the North Atlantic Ocean from reaching the British Isles. As a result, most places are seeing dry and settled weather. The clockwise circulation around this high pressure is drawing very cold air across the UK from the east.

Updated: 0730 UTC on Wed 1 Feb 2012
Quoting SPLbeater:


"w"hat are you trying to prove?
You did not capitalize what at the beginning of your sentence...jk..really..jk..:)..:)
Quoting AlwaysThinkin:


You misspelled ignorance.

Quoting SPLbeater:


i dont care


And from the mouths of babies......

the source of ignorance is defined (and demonstrated)
Great news for BONE DRY FL and this is just thru next Tuesday!

Cold Weather Alert: Level 3 - Cold Weather Action in one or more regions of England...It is extremely cold there and 100 people have died...Cold Weather Alert service in action

31 January 2012 - This week's cold weather has seen the Met Office issue its first England-wide Level 3 Cold Weather Alert of the winter.

The alert was issued because of the expected frosty nights and low daytime temperatures. We have already seen temperatures as low as -6.2°C in Pershore, Worcestershire, -6.1°C in South Farnborough, Hampshire and -5.7°C in Hurn, Dorset this week and the Level 3 Alert is expected to remain in force until the weekend.

The Met Office Cold Weather Alert service supports the Cold Weather Plan developed by the Department of Health, the Health Protection Agency and Age UK to help reduce the impact of cold weather on people's health in winter.
Quoting RTSplayer:


Our votes mean nothing in the presidential election.

The president is not elected by popular vote.

The only reason the popular vote exists is to make you feel like you matter. You don't.


I disagree. We all vote daily, in the way We spend Our money and conduct Our daily lives. The smart money, including the money behind politicians and their campaigns, follows those votes (ignoring opinion polls and other bogosities that don't follow Our spending and behavior patterns) and adjusts accordingly. There is a reason why these folks have the money, and I think this is it. We matter. We are all that matters, politically. To argue otherwise, I think, is a cop-out - a highly unadvisable cop-out in a political system that relies on the active, and informed, participation of its citizens.

I'll have to check on the stats re: electricity generation and its contribution of carbon dioxide to the environment, vs. the contribution made by automobiles (the big donor, last I looked).
Overdone..
Quoting ILwthrfan:Same data-set, bigger picture...blue represents temperature and Co2 is in green. Notice the correlation between the two. They mirror each other perfectly, so we do know that increasing Co2 = higher temperature. I am curious to your point of view on this data?


Technically it isn't the CO2/temperature record that has led to the understanding that CO2 causes temperature changes as a greenhouse gas. The correlation noted does not automatically equal causation. Sometimes people fall into this trap and then the "CO2 lags temperature" argument gets started.

The reason we know there is a causation is because there is a known physical mechanism by which the physical properties of greenhouse gases re-emit longwave energy, some of which returns to the surface of the earth. Increase the amount of energy returning to earth, increase the stored heat energy of the climate system. The mere correlation isn't the point - CO2's ability to remit longwave radiation, known for over a century, is.
Tracking a confirmed tornado on the ground:

Quoting Patrap:
High Novelty Human Tragedy with rescue underway at Soccer Stadium Match in Egypt.



Have you ever gone by the name of Ike on another forum? You're method of communicating is pleasantly familiar.

/end off topic (there is a topic?)
RTSplayer, Sarcasm flag on, of course over population is causing this mess we are in.
Quoting CybrTeddy:


And to think, that small piece of foam is the direct cause as to why we saw the shuttle's final go last year.
Hole in RCC leading-edge panel, a result of impact testing in the investigation of the Space Shuttle Columbia disaster. Soft polyurethane foam impacted this mock-up of a space shuttle wing at approximately 850 km/h.
Quoting hydrus:
Overdone..
What in gods name is coming off the Pacific?
Quoting SPLbeater:


POOF
(DELETED)
Quoting hurricanehunter27:
First question that goes through peoples minds when they meet you.

Sry could not help myself. Just trying to have some fun.


fun...want fun on this blog, then talk about the weather or something atleast related to it. seems anything people talk about is politics n other crap.

Said it to WxGeekVA. I dont argue anymore, i just hit ignore.


And for the 4th time...if i am a troll, so is all of wunderground.
Quoting SPLbeater:


POOF


ITT, we poof everyone who calls us out on something we're actually guilty of.

Kid, eventually you're going to have to face reality.
Quoting hurricanehunter27:
Hey Taz.


who the heck you callin Taz?
Quoting NativeSun:
Hi ILwthrfan, Texas is part of the Desert Southwest, there always will be droughts in that part of the country (dust bowl years) and there have been droughts in that part of the country and flooding in the midwest long before this climate change agenda came to be. We have very little control over the cooling and warming of this planet, like I said before we dont posses the knowledge to say CO2 is 100% the cause of climate change. If CO2 was a major gas and a pollutant than maybe their would be some concern. We can't predict the weather from week to week with our models, how are we going to predict whats going to happen 80 to 100 years from now with the climate models. I'll bet the next 20 to 30 years the earth will continue to cool as it is now and everyone will be calling for an Ice Age ala the 70s.


Your basing your entire argument off false assumptions, false attributions, and incorrect information. You should read the IPCC report, which is a collective summary of the science about climate and climate change.

Then, even if you disagree, you will be able to form much better arguments. Know thy enemy and all that.
Quoting SPLbeater:


fun...want fun on this blog, then talk about the weather or something atleast related to it. seems anything people talk about is politics n other crap.

Said it to WxGeekVA. I dont argue anymore, i just hit ignore.


And for the 4th time...if i am a troll, so is all of wunderground.
Lol, I stated to you previously that I know your not. "want fun on this blog, then talk about the weather or something atleast related to it." You should really listen to your own advice. I have nothing against you at all was just trying to mess with you a little.
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
Tracking a confirmed tornado on the ground:



where at?
Quoting hurricanehunter27:
Lol, I stated to you previously that I know your not. "want fun on this blog, then talk about the weather or something atleast related to it." You should really listen to your own advice. I have nothing against you at all was just trying to mess with you a little.


Ok then. thank you for not blowing up like the others :D
92S...going downhill i believe

This is washingtonian115's husband.What do you people discuss/do on here? I just had to get on for one night and see.
Only in Canada...

Quoting washingtonian115:
This is washingtonian115's husband.What do you people discuss/do on here? I just had to get on for one night and see.


Sex, booze, and campfire stories.

Or at least I do.
Quoting washingtonian115:
This is washingtonian115's husband.What do you people discuss/do on here? I just had to get on for one night and see.
Hard to explain. Well 50% weather, 30% general science, 10% politics & religion. 10% disagreeing. Sounds about right.
Quoting washingtonian115:
This is washingtonian115's husband.What do you people discuss/do on here? I just had to get on for one night and see.


Dec - May.


May - Nov.
Quoting KoritheMan:


Sex, booze, and campfire stories.

Or at least I do.
Oooooookay...I quickly scanned the comments on here after I posted the comment and it would seem more like a weather/climate blog.My wife laughs sometimes and I wonder why.I see nothing on here as of now to laugh at.Seems some people were in serious discussion.
Quoting CybrTeddy:


Dec - May.


May - Nov.
Quoting washingtonian115:
This is washingtonian115's husband.What do you people discuss/do on here? I just had to get on for one night and see.


In order of commonness: Climate, Religion, Politics, Weather, and last but not least Chuck Norris.

Quoting CybrTeddy:


Dec - May.


May - Nov.


This about sums it up.
Quoting CybrTeddy:


Dec - May.


May - Nov.
The first pic is rather hilarious.My wife is on here more through the May-Nov period.I should expect the same this season.She said it can be pretty wild through that time(May-Nov).That's when people go mad??
Do we have any Redditers on this blog? If so tell me.
Quoting washingtonian115:
The first pic is rather hilarious.My wife is on here more through the May-Nov period.I should expect the same this season.She said it can be pretty wild through that time(May-Nov).That's when people go mad??
We are all already mad. What goes on in that period of time you mentioned (May-Nov) is just the climax of it all.
Quoting washingtonian115:
The first pic is rather hilarious.My wife is on here more through the May-Nov period.I should expect the same this season.She said it can be pretty wild through that time(May-Nov).That's when people go mad??


Sometimes. May-Nov is Troll Season....
Quoting htszp:
When I read this blog post, I was really interested to check Google Earth to see how drastically the landscape had changed in Canada. I fully expected to verify what's in this "Northward Expansion of Trees..." map.

Either their methodology for drawing the map is bad or the map is just terrible.

First, there are places that OBVIOUSLY have been forested for quite a long time, but are shown on the map as only gaining trees since 1982 as a result of climate change. Does anyone really think that the parts of the Côte-Nord region of Quebec next to the Saint Lawrence had no trees before 1982. Look at the following locations:
50.43510° N, 64.40846° W
51.95261° N, 62.86960° W
50.67476° N, 64.59611° W
51.31422° N, 58.47182° W
Numerous photos around these areas show that these trees form thick, fully-developed forests. And considering the growth rates of these types of trees in these cold climates, many of these trees must be at least 50 years old. If there is any truth to their map, they must have used an incredibly liberal definition of treeline.

Second, there are some areas which still show up as completely tundra, both from satellite pictures and from recent photographs.
64.512887° N, 101.361422° W appears to me to be within the 2000 treeline, but pictures from the area show complete tundra.

A quick Google search would have clued the authors in to the fact that their analysis methods, or baseline, or something was incorrect.

If the data was only good for their transect, they should have just published that ... and then written another paper for another transect ... and so forth.

Publishing a map like this destroys their credibility.


Your making a false assumption. It doesn't take 50 years for conifer forest to grow. Depending on the type of conifer, the growth rates vary between 1 and 2 feet per year. So you can easily get a full forest within 15 years, let alone 30.

The other assumption you are making is that google earth has recent high res imagery of everywhere on the globe. This is not the case. Underpopulated areas aren't updated nearly as frequently, with some areas being 3 to more then ten years old, imagery wise.

For example, your location for showing tundra vs. trees demonstrates this point exactly. That area only has low res imagery available, making it imposible to tell anything other than the blobby mass of pixels is green. There is no way you can discern one way or another whether it is tundra or trees, though the green may imply trees.

So your arguments don't hold up to scrutiny. Besides, there's no way the could have used Google Earth, since the paper was published in 2003. What they probably used instead were survey maps and fly overs to verify the tree line growth, which is a lot more scientifically valid.
Quoting WxGeekVA:


Sometimes. May-Nov is Troll Season....
Quoting hurricanehunter27:
We are all already mad. What goes on in that period of time you mentioned (May-Nov) is just the climax of it all.
Well no wonder my wife calls that the "survival season".Nice meeting some of you all.Good night.My wife is going to be back on soon.
Quoting washingtonian115:
This is washingtonian115's husband.What do you people discuss/do on here? I just had to get on for one night and see.


Toenail collections and Burt Bacharach. On a loop. Endlessly.
Quoting hurricanehunter27:
What in gods name is coming off the Pacific?
Its not as bad as it looks. It is small low pressure areas rotating around a really big low. The Aleutian Low I think.
Quoting washingtonian115:
Well no wonder my wife calls that the "survival season".Nice meeting some of you all.Good night.My wife is going to be back on soon.
I hope you enjoyed your stay.
Quoting AlwaysThinkin:


Toenail collections and Burt Bacharach. On a loop. Endlessly.
Man, you need ta quit it...lol
Well I see my husband was trying to introduce himself and check it out around here.Looks like he made an account but warns that he will be on once in a while.Lol.
Quoting washingtonian115:
The first pic is rather hilarious.My wife is on here more through the May-Nov period.I should expect the same this season.She said it can be pretty wild through that time(May-Nov).That's when people go mad??


Last season it was so wild that people threw their keyboards through the computer screen during Irene.
Quoting westernmob:


CFC's have nothing to do with atmospheric CO2 content. Ultraviolet Radiation and Greenhouse Gases are independent of one another.


While CFCs don't affect CO2 content, they are indeed a greenhouse gas. Their destruction of ozone also ends up increasing warming, but it is minor in comparison to their primary effect.

Like CO2, CFCs stay in the atmosphere for a long time. If they weren't banned due to their destructive effects on the ozone, we'd also be seeing more warming as a result of them.
Today's unexpected severe weather reports:

Only 120 days left for the 2012 Atlantic Hurricane Season to start. It seems far away but time goes fast and without noticing,the season will be upon us.

Link
Quoting HRinFM:
have to remember this dude is laid back and chilling and dont need to worry about spell and gram, you know hes layed back, Child, please, momma needs to whip your ass
Really...
Quoting HRinFM:
have to remember this dude is laid back and chilling and dont need to worry about spell and gram, you know hes layed back, Child, please, momma needs to whip your ass
I would change that comment ASAP.
Quoting KoritheMan:


Sex, booze, and campfire stories.

Or at least I do.


I do as well, at least with the campfire stories.
Powerful energy release emanating from the Earth’s core recorded?

Posted on February 2, 2012
February 2, 2012 – TURKEY – The International Geodynamic Monitoring System, a part of GNFE (London, UK), has registered on November 15, 2011 a powerful energy release emanating from the Earth’s core. The intense three-dimensional gravitational anomaly was almost simultaneously recorded by all ATROPATENA geophysical stations separated by vast distances from each other in the following cities: Istanbul (Turkey), Kiev (Ukraine), Baku (Azerbaijan), Islamabad (Pakistan) and Yogyakarta (Indonesia). According to GNFE President Professor Elchin Khalilov, the detailed analysis of ATROPATENA station records indicates a powerful energy release emanating from the Earth’s core. According to the scientist, this fact may herald intensification of geodynamic processes in our planet and as a result, a higher number of strong earthquakes, volcanic eruptions and tsunamis. As GNFE President Professor Elchin Khalilov told WOSCO news agency, ATROPATENA earthquake forecasting stations record particular three-dimensional gravitational anomalies that occur, on average, 3-7 days before strong earthquakes. These anomalies are generated by the passing of tectonic waves (stress waves) under the stations; they are emitted by the focuses of imminent large earthquakes at the moment when the stresses in them reach critical values. These waves travel very slowly, their velocity ranging from an average of 30 km/h on the continents up to 120 km/h in the oceanic crust. The stress waves are of low frequency and their period ranges from several hours to two days on average, making it impossible for seismic stations to detect them. Of course, the ATROPATENA stations record the passing of these waves with a large time difference, which helps monitor their movement and, with quite high accuracy, calculate the location of the epicenter area of the expected earthquake. –Geochange Journal
203. sunlinepr


If History of Earth's Volcanic and geological past is a indicator of what could happen..I'd pay close attention to her signals from deep inside that Molten Iron-Nickel core.

Link

More Than 70 Die In Egyptian Football Riot

12:21am UK, Thursday February 02, 2012
At least 74 people have been killed and 1,000 injured after a football pitch invasion in Egypt, according to reports.

Clashes are said to have broken out as fans flooded the field seconds after the game in the northern coastal city of Port Said finished.

There were reports of rocks, bottles, flares and fireworks being thrown as politicians in the country criticised a lack of security at the match.

Doctors treating the victims said some had been stabbed to death. One player caught up in the rioting described it as "a war".

Troops have now been deployed on the streets and dozens of people have been arrested.

Port Said, Egypt

One player likened the scenes in Port Said to 'war'

Witnesses said most of the deaths involved people who had been trampled in the crush of panicked crowds, or who fell from terraces.

Deputy health minister Hesham Sheiha told state television: "This is unfortunate and deeply saddening. It is the biggest disaster in Egypt's soccer history."

Day 2 Storm Prediction Center Categorical Outlook:



Day 2 Storm Prediction Center Probabilistic Outlook:



DAY 2 CONVECTIVE OUTLOOK
NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
1123 AM CST WED FEB 01 2012

VALID 021200Z - 031200Z

...THERE IS A SLGT RISK OF SVR TSTMS OVER THE SOUTHERN PLAINS...

...OK/TX...

SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN MID LEVEL FLOW WILL DEVELOP WITHIN THE BASE
OF TRANSITORY WRN U.S. TROUGH LATE TONIGHT. LATEST MODEL GUIDANCE
SUGGESTS STRONG H5 FLOW...ON THE ORDER OF 60-70KT...WILL OVERSPREAD
NM/TX SOUTH PLAINS BY 02/12Z WITH MAIN CORE OF JET EXPECTED TO
EXTEND INTO WRN OK BY SUNSET. IN RESPONSE TO THIS FEATURE...LLJ
WILL FOCUS OVER NWRN TX INTO WRN OK...INCREASING MARKEDLY DURING THE
EVENING HOURS TO VALUES OF 50-60KT. NET RESULT WILL BE FOR NWD
EVOLVING WARM FRONT TO REPOSITION ITSELF NEAR THE RED RIVER...WWD TO
A WEAK SFC LOW OVER THE TX SOUTH PLAINS BY PEAK HEATING. THIS WILL
SERVE AS THE PRIMARY CORRIDOR FOR LATE AFTERNOON/EVENING
THUNDERSTORM DEVELOPMENT.

LATEST MODEL GUIDANCE SUGGESTS 50S SFC DEW POINTS WILL SURGE NWWD AS
WARM FRONT RETURNS INTO SRN OK/NWRN TX...WITH NEAR 60 DEW POINTS
POSSIBLY RETURNING TO REGIONS WELL EAST OF DRYLINE PRIOR TO TSTM
ACTIVITY. 12Z NAM IN PARTICULAR SUGGESTS A NARROW ZONE OF STRONG
BOUNDARY LAYER HEATING WILL OCCUR ACROSS THE TX SOUTH PLAINS INTO
PORTIONS OF NWRN TX. IF LAPSE RATES STEEPEN AS THE NAM SUGGESTS
THEN CONVECTIVE INHIBITION WILL BE REDUCED AND SFC PARCELS WILL
REACH THEIR CONVECTIVE TEMPERATURES...WHICH APPEAR TO BE NEAR 70.
GIVEN THE LARGE SCALE FORCING/SHEAR EXPECTED IT WOULD SEEM
REASONABLE TO EXPECT ISOLATED SUPERCELLS TO INITIATE NEAR/JUST SOUTH
OF THE WARM FRONT ALONG THE ADVANCING DRYLINE AROUND 22-00Z. WITH
TIME WARM ADVECTION WILL ALSO DRIVE ELEVATED CONVECTION NORTH OF THE
WARM FRONT ACROSS THE ERN TX PANHANDLE INTO WRN/CNTRL OK. ALTHOUGH
SFC DEW POINTS ARE EXPECTED TO REMAIN MOSTLY IN THE MID-UPPER 50S
WITHIN THE INITIATING ZONE...RELATIVELY LOW TEMP/DEW POINT SPREADS
SUGGEST CLOUD BASES WILL BE REASONABLY LOW AND ISOLATED TORNADOES
CAN NOT BE RULED OUT IF DISCRETE SUPERCELLS EVOLVE. HOWEVER...THE
PRIMARY SEVERE THREAT SHOULD BE LARGE HAIL WITH UPWARD EVOLVING
THUNDERSTORM CLUSTERS...ESPECIALLY ALONG/NORTH OF WARM FRONT. THIS
ACTIVITY WILL OVERSPREAD MUCH OF WRN/CNTRL OK BY 03/12Z.

..DARROW.. 02/01/2012

Day 3 Storm Prediction Center Categorical Outlook:



Day 3 Storm Prediction Center Probabilistic Outlook:



DAY 3 CONVECTIVE OUTLOOK
NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
0218 AM CST WED FEB 01 2012

VALID 031200Z - 041200Z

...THERE IS A SLGT RISK OF SVR TSTMS ACROSS PARTS OF THE SRN
PLAINS...

...SRN AND CNTRL PLAINS...
AN UPPER-LEVEL LOW IS FORECAST TO MOVE EWD INTO THE CNTRL HIGH
PLAINS FRIDAY AS A 60 TO 75 KT MID-LEVEL JET ROUNDS THE ERN SIDE OF
THE LOW INTO THE SRN AND CNTRL PLAINS. THUNDERSTORMS MAY BE ONGOING
AT THE START OF THE PERIOD ALONG AN AXIS OF INSTABILITY FROM NORTH
TX NWD INTO SRN KS. A MARGINAL HAIL THREAT COULD EXIST WITH STORMS
THAT HAVE ACCESS TO MODERATE INSTABILITY. DURING THE DAY...THE
MODELS MOVE THE CONVECTION EWD ACROSS KS AND INTO ECNTRL OK WITH A
SWD EXPANSION INTO CNTRL AND EAST TX. THE MODELS ARE IN FAIRLY GOOD
AGREEMENT CONCERNING THIS SCENARIO BUT THE MAIN UNCERTAINTIES
INCLUDE TIMING THE EWD PROGRESSION OF THE SYSTEM AND GAGING HOW FAR
NORTH STRONG STORMS WILL DEVELOP.

FORECAST SOUNDINGS FRIDAY AFTERNOON SUGGEST THE BEST ENVIRONMENT FOR
SEVERE STORMS WILL EXIST ACROSS NORTHEAST TX WHERE MLCAPE VALUES ARE
FORECAST IN THE 1200 TO 1500 J/KG RANGE WITH 0-6 KM SHEAR AROUND 50
KT. FORECAST SOUNDINGS AT DALLAS CONVECT USING SFC-BASED PARCELS
SUGGESTING A WIND DAMAGE THREAT MAY EXIST. AN ISOLATED LARGE HAIL
THREAT MAY ALSO BE PRESENT ESPECIALLY IF SUPERCELLS CAN ORGANIZE.
THE HAIL THREAT COULD EXTEND NNWWD ALONG THE INSTABILITY AXIS INTO
NCNTRL OK AND SRN KS WHERE COLD AIR ALOFT IS FORECAST IN THE CORE OF
THE UPPER-LEVEL LOW. HOWEVER...THE HAIL THREAT IN THE CNTRL PLAINS
SHOULD BE KEPT MARGINAL DUE TO WEAK INSTABILITY AND ONGOING
PRECIPITATION THROUGHOUT THE DAY. FURTHER TO THE SOUTH...CONVECTIVE
COVERAGE SHOULD DECREASE WITH SWD EXTENT IN AREAS SOUTH OF DALLAS
WHERE LARGE-SCALE ASCENT IS FORECAST TO THE LIMITED.

..BROYLES.. 02/01/2012
207. wxmod
Quoting theamoeba:
When the president moves away from talking about climate change and talks more generally about energy, as he did in the State of the Union, calling for an all-out, all-of-the-above strategy that develops every available source of American energy, the impact is more than just political.

It just might get him re-elected. All talk about 'the left this' and 'the right that' discounts the fact that none of these folk elected themselves. If the discussion is moving in the "energy" direction, it's because that's where the discussion leaders think that the votes are. Our votes. That points the mirror, and the blame, squarely where they belong. At you and me.

I work at a lab where climate change and ocean acidification are major components of the work. The parking lot is full of cars, every day. I rest my case.


Powerful argument and it bodes not well for the world. The people who are working on turning the situation around are indeed part of the problem, as are all the rest of us. Thanks.
Quoting wxmod:


Powerful argument and it bodes not well for the world. The people who are working on turning the situation around are indeed part of the problem, as are all the rest of us. Thanks.
Nuclear energy. Solved.
My handheld anemometer came in today that was ordered for my birthday(last thursday) works GOOOOD. Guide says its VERY accurate at low to mid windspeeds, but too much time in high windspeeds will reduce accuracy.


I plan on taking this intrument up to the side of the road overlooking a highway by about 30 feet, no trees within 400 yards, and measure a bow echo. Guess i will have to get wet sometimes...lol.
Radar is also filling in quickly...hasnt rained yet.
NASA Mission Returns First Video from Moon's Far Side



South pole of the far side of the moon as seen from the GRAIL mission's Ebb spacecraft. (Credit: NASA/Caltech-JPL)

ScienceDaily (Feb. 1, 2012) — A camera aboard one of NASA's twin Gravity Recovery And Interior Laboratory (GRAIL) lunar spacecraft has returned its first unique view of the far side of the moon. MoonKAM, or Moon Knowledge Acquired by Middle school students, will be used by students nationwide to select lunar images for study.

GRAIL consists of two identical spacecraft, recently named Ebb and Flow, each of which is equipped with a MoonKAM. The images were taken as part of a test of Ebb's MoonKAM on Jan. 19. The GRAIL project plans to test the MoonKAM aboard Flow at a later date.

To view the 30-second video clip, visit: http://go.nasa.gov/zZXAPs .

In the video, the north pole of the moon is visible at the top of the screen as the spacecraft flies toward the lunar south pole. One of the first prominent geological features seen on the lower third of the moon is the Mare Orientale, a 560-mile-wide (900 kilometer) impact basin that straddles both the moon's near and far side.

The clip ends with rugged terrain just short of the lunar south pole. To the left of center, near the bottom of the screen, is the 93-mile-wide (149 kilometer) Drygalski crater with a distinctive star-shaped formation in the middle. The formation is a central peak, created many billions of years ago by a comet or asteroid impact.
95P is overland..
NASA's GCPEx Mission: What We Don't Know About Snow

ScienceDaily (Feb. 1, 2012) — Predicting the future is always a tricky business -- just watch a TV weather report. Weather forecasts have come a long way, but almost every season there's a snowstorm that seems to come out of nowhere, or one that's forecast as 'the big one' that turns out to be a total bust.

In the last ten years, scientists have shown that it is possible to detect falling snow and measure surface snowpack information from the vantage point of space. But there remains much that is unknown about the fluffy white stuff.

"We're still figuring out how to measure snow from space," says Gail Skofronick-Jackson, a specialist in the remote sensing of snow at NASA's Goddard Space Fight Center, Greenbelt, Md. "We're where we were with measuring rain 40 years ago."

Link
Quoting PensacolaDoug:



Hi Nea.
Are you really going to pull that one again?

It's the typical "Oh, I can't think of a good response, in fact, that response was so well though out that I'm just going to resort to simple and unintelligent tactics like accusing smart and passionate posters of having multiple accounts in a feeble attempt to undermine their credibility as a poster."

Xyrus isn't Nea. Furthermore, I respect people like Xyrus and Nea who actually take the time to think out what they are going to say, write in an easy-to-understand manner, and provide links to back themselves up. When you do what you just did here, Pensacola, you really only discourage well written posts, so please, do us all a favor and grow up.
10 years ago on the gulf coast of florida around the suwannee river delta, you would hardly ever find a red mangrove. this area was the northern-most limit of the black mangroves, which are common and more cold-tolerant than the red mangrove. now, there's young red mangroves all over the spartina marshes - some are even old enough to flower and drop propagules - even after some hard freezes two years ago, and the black mangroves are slowly moving past the mouth of the suwannee where you never saw them even 5 years ago. the mangroves are moving north.

Quoting TomTaylor:
Are you really going to pull that one again?

It's the typical "Oh, I can't think of a good response, in fact, that response was so well though out that I'm just going to resort to simple and unintelligent tactics like accusing smart and passionate posters of having multiple accounts in a feeble attempt to undermine their credibility as a poster."

Xyrus isn't Nea. Furthermore, I respect people like Xyrus and Nea who actually take the time to think out what they are going to say, write in a cohesive and understanding manner, and provide links to back themselves up. When you do what you just did here, Pensacola, you really only discourage well written posts, so please, do us all a favor and grow up.
Guess I'm on his ignore list, do not see the posts at all. Anyone want to ask him why for me?
Quoting hurricanehunter27:
Guess I'm on his ignore list do not sees these posts at all. Anyone want to ask him why for me?


(if u reffer 2 me)your not ignored. because you and some others, it takes alot more then simple arguement to put on ignore. because 96% of the time, you have good posts. others, LIKE TOMTAYLOR, dont.

And tom, you make yourself look reeeeal bad losing your temper like that. its not imature to use ignore. If it was, it wouldnt be there.
Quoting hurricanehunter27:
Nuclear energy. Solved.
Yeah baby..Fusion reactors by the year 2040. The oceans would provide millions of years worth of energy without the filth...Somethin like this, just a little bigger...he he..
This morning right after dawn as the sun rose, to my dismay, there were mammatus clouds hanging along the edge of a large shelf cloud formation, the edge of which was right overhead. To the southwest clouds stacks were shooting up as if it were a spring afternoon. For several hours the sky was rolling with grey clouds and there appeared to be quite a lot of energy in the sky. If this had been March there probably would have been a lot of trouble today. This is not a good sign. It does not bode well for this year's tornado season, at all.

Everyone needs to have a plan. Getting into a bathtub is not going to cut it, anymore. Our atmosphere is currently too volatile to take this lightly any longer and wait until the last second to think about it. Even in places where you normally don't ever have to worry about tornadoes. Please have arrangements for a shelter located somewhere nearby that is ready to go to, even if it is just a small 'root cellar' that you dug out yourself. Yes that is correct something that you dug out yourself with a sturdy roof covering on it that is strong and secure (concrete). There are quite a large number of cellars like this in the midwest and this is what most people have out here. Instructions on how to make a cellar are easy to find. Being underground is the safest place to be. One time I survived a tornado that was right overhead, because I was hiding a few feet below ground in an open drainage ditch by the side of the road. Above me the tall grass lay flat on the ground from the wind, but inside the shallow hole in the ground it was very calm with almost no wind. A large tree located about forty feet away from me came crashing down as the wind growled. Later I saw that all of its' roots were sticking up out of the ground like the wind almost ripped it out completely by the root.

Everybody is going to have to take it unto themselves to protect their families from violent storms. Have a plan in place for exactly what you and your family will do.

Have a good night all. :)
I just logged on and the 1st thing I see is some kid telling me to grow up. For the record, I think Nea has more than one account. I can't prove it. I do know he has a lot of fans here and they enjoy piling onto me when I post. That's just the way it is. So Tom, if you don't like what I have to say, you know what to do.
Quoting SPLbeater:


(if u reffer 2 me)your not ignored. because you and some others, it takes alot more then simple arguement to put on ignore. because 96% of the time, you have good posts. others, LIKE TOMTAYLOR, dont.

And tom, you make yourself look reeeeal bad losing your temper like that. its not imature to use ignore. If it was, it wouldnt be there.
I didn't lose my temper. There is a difference between expressing your feelings and losing your temper, in case you were unaware.

Maybe I look really bad to you, but judging by the little "+10" next to my comment, I think it's safe to say most of the people liked the comment.

Not sure why you think I think ignoring someone is immature. Personally, I like seeing what everyone has to say (even trolls are amusing) and I can usually do a good job of mentally ignore people so I have no use for an ignore list.


P.S. When are you going to start your spelling and grammar lessons?
Thursday, February 2, 2012OP-ED

Praful Bidwai Column

Japan's unending nuclear nightmare


It's generally assumed that highly developed Japan would handle a catastrophic accident far more competently than callous, hierarchical, and class-polarised societies with a poor infrastructure and safety culture like India or Bangladesh.

Japan was also expected to do better than backward Ukraine, which suffered the world's previous nuclear core meltdown at Chernobyl in 1986 -- especially as regards large-scale evacuation given Japan's experience with earthquakes and tsunamis.

Alas, Japan has abjectly failed to provide relief to those affected by the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear accident. Needless to say, India or Bangladesh would have done infinitely worse.

A majority of the victims of the three Fukushima reactor meltdowns continue to be exposed to high levels of radiation from atmospheric fallout and contaminated food and water. The radiation "exclusion zone" only covers a 20-km radius. But radiation levels are high 60 or even 200 km away.

Radiation meters show high gamma radiation readings such as 20 microsieverts an hour. Within roughly 40 days, these would deliver a dose equalling the maximum annual limit set by the Japanese government. This limit is itself 20 times higher than the internationally prevalent annual norm of 1 millisievert (mSv)! People's radiation exposure hasn't been systematically estimated or monitored by the government or plant operator Tokyo Electric Power Co (Tepco).

Had the authorities followed the Chernobyl norm for triggering evacuation (5 mSv), they would have had to evacuate five times more people and impose restrictions on food grown in an area 30 times the size of Fukushima's evacuation zone. Japan's public health response was thus worse than poor Ukraine's despite its greater technological sophistication and financial capacity.

What explains this is the inability of government and industry to act in nuclear crises, mutual collusion between them, and suppression of critical safety-related information. An official committee's report released three weeks ago shows that bumbling nuclear industry executives and confused government officials mishandled the crisis from the beginning. The 507-page interim report found that tsunami risks were grossly underestimated.

Tepco workers weren't trained to handle emergencies like the station blackout caused by the tsunami, leading to the overheating of reactor cores and their meltdown. They had no manual to follow and didn't communicate properly even among themselves.

Cooling of the reactors was delayed because of the mishandling of an emergency cooling system. Workers assumed it was working, despite signs that it had failed. A better response might have reduced radiation leaks and averted hydrogen explosions at Reactors 1, 3 and 4, which sent out huge radiation plumes. The radiation load wasn't even measured.

Regulatory agencies failed to impose tough safety standards on Tepco, which was too slow to gather information on radiation and relay it.

The report documents Tepco's misjudgment of the reactors' operational situation, its poor handling of water injection, and its failure to prevent damage magnification. It also exposes the government's inadequate responses as regards initial radiation monitoring, emergency evacuation, and failure to provide truthful information to the public.

Japan's Nuclear Industrial and Safety Agency failed to correct these errors. The government didn't make the extent of radiation spread and doses public. Many people were wrongly moved from low-radiation areas to high-radiation ones! The government lied through its teeth. It knew within a day that there had been a meltdown, yet didn't disclose that for weeks.

Media reports have just revealed that the Japanese government suppressed a worst-case scenario for the crisis soon after it began and kept it under wraps until December. After the document was shown to a select group of senior officials in late March, the government decided to quietly bury it. "The content was so shocking that we decided to treat it as if it didn't exist," a senior official is quoted as saying.

The document forecast that in a worst-case scenario, the reactors would release massive quantities of radioactivity for about a year. The projection was based on the premise that a hydrogen explosion would tear through the first reactor's containment vessel, forcing station workers to evacuate because of lethal radiation levels.

In that event, 40 million residents within a radius of 170 km of the station would be forced to evacuate. Those living within a radius of between 170 and 250 km, including Tokyo, could choose to evacuate voluntarily.

Logically, this scenario may already have materialised. After all, hydrogen explosions ripped through not one, but three, Fukushima reactors. Many people expect yet more disclosures from an independent bipartisan inquiry commission just set up by Parliament, with the power to summon witnesses.

This culture of covering up and inadequate cleanup efforts have left the Japanese people exposed to unconscionable health risks. The mainstream media played a pernicious role in the cover-up, led by its dependence on Japan's power-supply industry, its biggest advertiser. Tepco's advertising budget alone is roughly half what a global corporation like Toyota spends annually.

The Japanese people, I discovered, feel betrayed by their traditionally paternalistic state, which is not taking responsibility for the terrible effects of its policy to promote nuclear power. Lakhs continue to suffer as their generations-old occupations, including agriculture and dairy farming, become unviable.

People are resorting to community radiation monitoring, self-protection, and organic food cooperatives, to cope with the crisis. But the crisis has had one positive effect. All but five of Japan's 54 nuclear reactors lie closed -- and the country is none the worse for it.

At a two-day global conference in Yokohama, which I attended with 11,500 others, speakers emphasised the imperative of phasing out nuclear power. It's far too dirty, too expensive, too centralised, too bound-up with secrecy and deception, and above all, too dangerous. They also underscored the rising relevance and economic viability of low-carbon renewable energy.

Fukushima's tragedy can only be redeemed if the world -- including South Asia -- abolishes nuclear power, and promotes new energy systems and smart grids based on safe, environmentally benign, renewables which are relevant to people's needs, not the nuclear industry's greed.

The writer is an eminent Indian columnist.

E-mail: bidwai@bol.net.in
Quoting PensacolaDoug:
I just logged on and the 1st thing I see is some kid telling me to grow up. For the record, I think Nea has more than one account. I can't prove it. I do know he has a lot of fans here and they enjoy piling onto me when I post. That's just the way it is. So Tom, if you don't like what i have to say, you know what to do.
Yep, some kid. Pretty bad when a kid has to tell you to grow up, don't ya think?

That aside, have you ever considered the fact that there are other people on the blog capable of delivering cohesive, well though out, intelligent posts? Have you also considered that it's not Nea's fans piling on to you, it's just people who disagree with you. In other words, Nea isn't some WeatherUnderground blog leader that people follow. He takes the time to write up good posts, so people respect and support him...especially when he gets called out by immature posts like yours trying to undermine his credibility.


Also, I will ignore your posts when I feel necessary, but I will also jump on the opportunity to exercise my right to comment on your posts if I see fit.
You feel better now?


Good. Have a nice evening.
Evening all.

I think we'd do better with solar / wind. Our problem isn't a lack of clean energy sources, but a lack of will to develop ways to exploit them.

I'm looking forward to see what the newest generation of young scientists will come up with. I seriously doubt we'll still see fossil fuels as THE energy source 50 years from now. Somebody'll find a way to make $$ off of an alternative.
Quoting SPLbeater:


(if u reffer 2 me)your not ignored. because you and some others, it takes alot more then simple arguement to put on ignore. because 96% of the time, you have good posts. others, LIKE TOMTAYLOR, dont.

And tom, you make yourself look reeeeal bad losing your temper like that. its not imature to use ignore. If it was, it wouldnt be there.


I have nobody on my ignore list. Shocked? Here's why: By the time someone goes far enough to get on my ignore list, they end up getting banned or just leave the site altogether. I have a very high tolerance for nonsense, but I honestly sometimes get very close when people constantly attack one or two people because they are different.

Grow up everyone, not everyone on here is exactly like you, be a little more accepting of each others differences. Seriously.
Quoting PensacolaDoug:
You feel better now?


Good. Have a nice evening.


You're just proving Tom's point even more.
Quoting WxGeekVA:


I have nobody on my ignore list. Shocked? Here's why: By the time someone goes far enough to get on my ignore list, they end up getting banned or just leave the site altogether. I have a very high tolerance for nonsense, but I honestly sometimes get very close when people constantly attack one or two people because they are different.

Grow up everyone, not everyone on here is exactly like you, be a little more accepting of each others differences. Seriously.


Word. +10000
Quoting PensacolaDoug:
You feel better now?


Good. Have a nice evening.

Yes, that is really helping your image...
Less Summer Arctic Sea Ice Cover Means Colder, Snowier Winters in Central Europe

2012) — Even if the current weather situation may seem to speak against it, the probability of cold winters with much snow in Central Europe rises when the Arctic is covered by less sea ice in summer. Scientists of the Research Unit Potsdam of the Alfred Wegener Institute for Polar and Marine Research in the Helmholtz Association have decrypted a mechanism in which a shrinking summertime sea ice cover changes the air pressure zones in the Arctic atmosphere and impacts our European winter weather....................

Link
Quoting PensacolaDoug:
I just logged on and the 1st thing I see is some kid telling me to grow up. For the record, I think Nea has more than one account. I can't prove it. I do know he has a lot of fans here and they enjoy piling onto me when I post. That's just the way it is. So Tom, if you don't like what I have to say, you know what to do.
I doubt Xyrus is Nea, though. And isn't it slandel or liber or some such if you don't have proof but publically malign someone's reputation? Either way, 1) innocent until proven guilty, and 2) I can't imagine needing to be on this blog so much that you have to make 2 of yourself... I barely have time to be one of me...[lol]

BTW, did u guys get rain with that frontal passage? It rained for almost an hour, at times heavily, as it went through this morning. Felt kinda weird for Feb 1.


Ahhhh the late shift.The most interesting shift of them all besides hurricane season.And I'm just sitting back in the shadows enjoying it.
Put me on ignore fellas. I'll survive it somehow.
Just as a general observation, can we lay off the nitpicky spelling and grammer type comments? I figure if you want to be understood you'll make an effort. Only one or maybe two people in here with grammar so bad they're hard to understand.

Just make sure you spell the weather-related words right....

Shear....

Quoting washingtonian115:
Ahhhh the late shift.The most interesting shift of them all besides hurricane season.And I'm just sitting back in the shadows enjoying it.
LOL.... I'm so beat I'm whipped [loooong day].... but the late show is the best show.... lol
Quoting WxGeekVA:


I have nobody on my ignore list. Shocked? Here's why: By the time someone goes far enough to get on my ignore list, they end up getting banned or just leave the site altogether. I have a very high tolerance for nonsense, but I honestly sometimes get very close when people constantly attack one or two people because they are different.

Grow up everyone, not everyone on here is exactly like you, be a little more accepting of each others differences. Seriously.
yep, nice post
Quoting PensacolaDoug:
You feel better now?


Good. Have a nice evening.
I'm not trying to make you mad or make you look bad, I'm just trying to get you to stop accusing Nea (or anyone) of things that aren't true. Unless you can prove it, don't state it like it's the truth.

Neapolitan, Xyrus, and many others on here actually put a good amount of time into crafting mature, well written posts. It kills me to see someone try to completely destroy their credibility as a poster by accusing them of something they didn't even do. If you don't like what they have to say, you can ignore them or reply with a reasonable response, but saying things like "Hi Nea" will only cause trouble.
Quoting PensacolaDoug:
Put me on ignore fellas. I'll survive it somehow.
No can do, Doug... if I put u on ignore, who will there be to argue with.... lol

Seriously, I don't use ignore very much. I think I put somebody on my list last year because they kept posting videos that screwed up the blog for me. The worst offenders otherwise usually, eventually, get caught up in the natural ebb and flow of the blog.

I don't have to agree with everything you say or think to respect your right to say them / think them. What I can't take on the blog is profanity and personal attacks / bickering. At this time of the year the latter doesn't seem so bad, but engaging in too much of it during the slow season is habit forming, and a real nuisance when there's real weather to discuss. I guess what I mean is, live and let live.

Man, u guys are trying to drag me into some kinda philosophical argument here... MUCH too exhausted for that... lol

Anyway, Feb came in with rain in Nassau... I'm hoping it's not too rainy the rest of the month. Usually Feb is a fab month wx-wise: cool, breezy, and sunny. Here's hoping today's nasty weather is the last of it for a few weeks.

I'm gone, ya'll. I need to go to bed....

Quoting BahaHurican:
I doubt Xyrus is Nea, though. And isn't it slandel or liber or some such if you don't have proof but publically malign someone's reputation? Either way, 1) innocent until proven guilty, and 2) I can't imagine needing to be on this blog so much that you have to make 2 of yourself... I barely have time to be one of me...[lol]

BTW, did u guys get rain with that frontal passage? It rained for almost an hour, at times heavily, as it went through this morning. Felt kinda weird for Feb 1.


its to get a lot weirder there may be a system coming from the west of ya
Quoting Patrap:


Japan's unending nuclear nightmare.


The problem with this unending nightmare is that it is affecting us.... and we don't know to what extend.... Global corruption and a troubled economy contribute to hiding or minimizing the truth....
Where is the real data about the effects that the radioactive plume and sea currents are having on US citizens in Hawaii and Alaska and other territories in the Pacific? What about other countries? Can we trust the food we are buying in the supermarket? The only way to know is to have a GCounter and check out groceries when we buy....
Quoting PensacolaDoug:
Put me on ignore fellas. I'll survive it somehow.


From a silent reader...hang in there!
Quoting PensacolaDoug:
I just logged on and the 1st thing I see is some kid telling me to grow up. For the record, I think Nea has more than one account. I can't prove it. I do know he has a lot of fans here and they enjoy piling onto me when I post. That's just the way it is. So Tom, if you don't like what I have to say, you know what to do.


wow, i am not alone lol. Good point though. if you dont like somebodys posts, then hit the button saying 'Ignore user'
Does anyone know what the arctic oscillation/el nino situation was during the winter of 2007? Or where i might be able to find out.. was searching on google and didnt seem to find anything.

Winter 2006-2007 had even less snow to date here in new york than this winter has. Wondering if there was a correlation.
Quoting WxGeekVA:


I have nobody on my ignore list. Shocked? Here's why: By the time someone goes far enough to get on my ignore list, they end up getting banned or just leave the site altogether. I have a very high tolerance for nonsense, but I honestly sometimes get very close when people constantly attack one or two people because they are different.

Grow up everyone, not everyone on here is exactly like you, be a little more accepting of each others differences. Seriously.


I am shocked. I guess its because i dont tolerate near as much as you mentioned...


I need to seriously learn to leave when conversations leave stuff around the topic of weather...to tropics chat, i go!!
Quoting BahaHurican:
Just as a general observation, can we lay off the nitpicky spelling and grammer type comments? I figure if you want to be understood you'll make an effort. Only one or maybe two people in here with grammar so bad they're hard to understand.

Just make sure you spell the weather-related words right....

Shear....



your right....it has a bad affect....its' not very nice...
Quoting SPLbeater:


I am shocked. I guess its because i dont tolerate near as much as you mentioned...


I need to seriously learn to leave when conversations leave stuff around the topic of weather...to tropics chat, i go!!


That was specifically directed towards everyone else who is calling you a troll. You may be a little different in your beliefs but you still genuinely (I hope) like the weather, so therefore you are okay in my book.
Quoting WxGeekVA:


That was specifically directed towards everyone else who is calling you a troll. You may be a little different in your beliefs but you still genuinely (I hope) like the weather, so therefore you are okay in my book.


Thank you. YES, i does like weather alot. track tropical systems, July thunderstorms that come over, have a weather station(only barometer works lol) and a new accurate hand-held anemometer. :D

I said i was going to be in tropics chat didnt i...dernit.
Quoting SPLbeater:


I am shocked. I guess its because i dont tolerate near as much as you mentioned...


I need to seriously learn to leave when conversations leave stuff around the topic of weather...to tropics chat, i go!!


But you don't bring up other topics yourself? That's a double standard.
Quoting SPLbeater:


Thank you. YES, i does like weather alot. track tropical systems, July thunderstorms that come over, have a weather station(only barometer works lol) and a new accurate hand-held anemometer. :D

I said i was going to be in tropics chat didnt i...dernit.


People are going to be annoyed at me for standing up for you but I honestly don't care... I was once that awkward kid nobody liked so I try to help out other people who are like what I once was.
Hi.
Here in Seoul, the low was -17.1C (1.2F) this morning. News reports say that this was the coldest temperature in February since 1977.
Quoting sunlinepr:


The problem with this unending nightmare is that it is affecting us.... and we don't know to what extend.... Global corruption and a troubled economy contribute to hiding or minimizing the truth....
Where is the real data about the effects that the radioactive plume and sea currents are having on US citizens in Hawaii and Alaska and other territories in the Pacific? What about other countries? Can we trust the food we are buying in the supermarket? The only way to know is to have a GCounter and check out groceries when we buy....

Sunlinepr
When I started to school,1949-1950 season, the first thing we learned was how to use a gieger counter. In those day it was about nuclear war. Now it's for everything including the food we eat. I guess we can learn how to endure about anything.
Jesse
Sigh...

State Farm not renewing some policies
Posted: Feb 01, 2012 3:04 PM CST Updated: Feb 01, 2012 3:39 PM CST


State Farm will not renew insurance coverage for thousands of Southeast Texas homeowners.

State Farm Spokesperson Kevin Davis says that nearly 11,000 policies will be affected.

Homeowners living in coastal areas of Jefferson, Orange, Chambers, Galveston and Brazoria Counties will begin to be notified by mail by the beginning of May.

Davis says that the move is to insure that the company has the resources to meet the financial obligations and maintain its standard of service for the majority of Texas customers.

Davis says that local agents will also be affected from the loss of policies, but the move would not affect customers' automobile, rental insurance or other policies.
Quoting AtHomeInTX:
Sigh...

State Farm not renewing some policies
Posted: Feb 01, 2012 3:04 PM CST Updated: Feb 01, 2012 3:39 PM CST


State Farm will not renew insurance coverage for thousands of Southeast Texas homeowners.

State Farm Spokesperson Kevin Davis says that nearly 11,000 policies will be affected.

Homeowners living in coastal areas of Jefferson, Orange, Chambers, Galveston and Brazoria Counties will begin to be notified by mail by the beginning of May.

Davis says that the move is to insure that the company has the resources to meet the financial obligations and maintain its standard of service for the majority of Texas customers.

Davis says that local agents will also be affected from the loss of policies, but the move would not affect customers' automobile, rental insurance or other policies.


As a Floridian, I concur with your *sigh*...all of the major 'insurers' have done the same down leaving us with unknowns that you really have to question what they are covering and what they do not. Then you sweat out an event wondering if you will have a claim honored. *heavy sigh*
Quoting caneswatch:


But you don't bring up other topics yourself? That's a double standard.


I think he's too young to know what a double standard is.
Quoting WxGeekVA:


People are going to be annoyed at me for standing up for you but I honestly don't care... I was once that awkward kid nobody liked so I try to help out other people who are like what I once was.
I haaaaaaaaaaaaate bullies.
Quoting KoritheMan:


I think he's too young to know what a double standard is.


You might be right, but with the way he's been acting he needs to learn it.
At Home
I bought a home and paid for it before I retired. My insurance company saw fit to cancel my wind and hail because I lived south of I-10 in Mobile County, Al.
The cheapest wind and hail insc. I could find was $1500
a year. You ain't paying that on Social Security. I don't what I will do if I get hit hard.
Jesse
Quoting caneswatch:


You might be right, but with the way he's been acting he needs to learn it.


Dont you have anything else to do then continue to talk about me? Can you not accept the fact that i am NOT done with school and do NOT know every single figure of speech, and word? No i am not admitting i dont know what a double standard is. i do. Period.

Alright guys,
I am a greatgrandfather, I take up for kids with there larning deficts. Be nice
Jesse
We should be lucky enough to have these problems.

From the NYT and the pen of James Kanter.

Obstacles to Danish Wind Power
By JAMES KANTER
Published: January 22, 2012

COPENHAGEN — During howling winter weather two years ago, the thousands of windmills dotting Denmark and its coastline generated so much power that Danes had to pay other countries to take the surplus.

The incident was the first of its kind, and lasted only a few hours. Low temperatures were an aggravating factor, because Denmark’s combined heat and power plants were also running full bore and generating a lot of electricity.

Since then, there have been just two more instances in which the price of wind power in Denmark turned negative for a significant period of time because of excess wind, according to the national grid company, Energinet.dk.

Still, the incidents have highlighted the risks of expanding the reliance on renewable sources like wind before necessary grids, storage and other technologies are established to handle their intermittency and volatility.

The incidents also make the recent proposal by the Danish government — to generate half the nation’s power from wind within eight years, up from less than a quarter currently — look all the more ambitious.

Danish consumers already pay more than the European average for their power, and the Danish Parliament still must approve the target amid concerns that realizing the plan would be expensive and could damage competitiveness.

A major part of the expansion into wind will be at offshore sites that are comparatively costly to build and maintain, compared with onshore sites and many other energy sources.

Martin Lidegaard, the Danish minister for climate and energy, has portrayed the plan as an insurance policy against the rising costs of fossil fuels.

Expanding wind is “a good investment if energy prices increase more than we forecast, and there is a significant risk of that happening,” he said.

Yet the biggest challenges may be more technical than financial.

Meeting the government’s target was “possible but not straightforward,” said Jens Moller Birkebaek, a vice president at Energinet.dk.

A major concern is that the supply of electricity might exceed demand for about 1,000 hours each year by 2020 unless there are substantial changes in the way electricity is managed in Denmark, Mr. Birkebaek said.

Denmark already must store abroad, where the geography is more suitable, large amounts of excess energy from its fleets of windmills.

In Norway and Sweden, wind power from Denmark pumps water uphill to reservoirs. That water is released and drives turbines when power is in demand.

But the Danes often pay more for the repurchased power than they received for the surplus because prices depend on demand in the broader Nordic power market.

Improved weather forecasting could help power companies anticipate when other countries need Danish power or to anticipate when those countries are in a position to sell power to Denmark.

Denmark also is expected to take advantage of an existing plan to remove overhead power lines and bury them underground to install a more efficient and responsive domestic grid to help handle variations in the wind.

But experts say that the critical factor for enabling the government to meet its goal will be investment in new and bigger interconnectors to trade more electricity with neighboring countries.

Along with projects already under way in Scandinavia, there are plans for new interconnectors between Denmark and the Netherlands, and there are early discussions about building an interconnector with Britain, said Anders Eldrup, the chief executive of Dong Energy, the biggest Danish power utility.

“It is a steep increase to go from 20 percent to 50 percent wind in just a few years time, so there is a challenge there,” Mr. Eldrup said. “But I think our experience tells us that there also solutions to these challenges.”

Mr. Eldrup said using vastly more wind is part of his strategy to switch off coal plants within 20 years by using a combination of power generated from wind, biomass and gas, which is less polluting than coal and can be fired up quickly when the wind is not blowing.

“Big-scale wind and gas are a sort of yin and yang,” Mr. Eldrup said.

To encourage this, governments would need to allow utilities to earn a premium rate for using gas to encourage the utilities to switch it on and off when needed, he said.

New storage technologies to manage the increase in wind power might also be necessary, he said.

Among the most promising is electrolysis, or extracting hydrogen from water. The hydrogen could then run fuel cells or be used to synthesize gas to provide power when wind was unavailable.

A breakthrough is possible before the end of the decade but “the technology is not mature there yet,” Mr. Eldrup said.

One storage strategy that Dong is already focused on is the anticipated electrification of the transport sector.

Two years ago Dong Energy took a stake in the Danish subsidiary of Better Place, a U.S. company that leases batteries and builds charging facilities for electric vehicles, including home charging equipment and battery swap stations.

Renault, the French car manufacturer, has received orders in Denmark for about 1,000 models of its all-electric Fluence that will operate on battery systems from Better Place. Delivery of those cars should start in coming weeks, and there could be 20,000 electric cars on Danish roads by 2014, according to Better Place.

That is still a tiny fraction of the two million cars on Danish roads — but enough to help to start balancing power on the national grid, said Torben Andersen, the chief commercial officer for Better Place Denmark.

“Electric cars are basically big batteries on wheels that have the virtue of being largely paid for by consumers and managed by companies like ours,” Mr. Andersen said. “That’s a hugely attractive proposition for utilities in countries like Denmark that need to find outlets for their renewable energy.”

Great idea, using the batteries of the electric cars as part of the electric grid, distributed power, the future.
Quoting opsman27N82W:


As a Floridian, I concur with your *sigh*...all of the major 'insurers' have done the same down leaving us with unknowns that you really have to question what they are covering and what they do not. Then you sweat out an event wondering if you will have a claim honored. *heavy sigh*


Yeah. It's hard to know even what to say. I'm sure more will pull out here too. Not that being with a major was any guarantee of them honoring their policies. We made a minor claim after Ike. Wouldn't ya know it, our policy went up almost exactly that amount the next year.
Last year they canceled out policy and said we could reapply if we agreed to the new one. We went over it with a fine tooth comb. So I hope we'll be ok. Of course our policy renews on June 1st. Guess we'll see.
For old times' sake:



000
WTNT42 KNHC 312039
TCDAT2

MAJOR HURRICANE CHUCK NORRIS DISCUSSION NUMBER 100
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL1002011
1100 PM EST WED FEB 1 2012



…...MAJOR HURRICANE CHUCK NORRIS IS THE MOST POWERFUL HURRICANE EVER TO FORM IN ANY BASIN..... MAX SUSTAINED WINDS ARE AT 500MPH....GUSTING TO 550MPH. PRESSURE HAS DROPPED TO 652MB..... ANYONE IN THE PATH OF THIS STORM PREPARE TO BE ROUNDHOUSE KICKED BY THE MOST DESTRUCTIVE THING ON THE PLANET EVER...CHUCK NORRIS...........

....DVORAK INTENSITY ESTIMATES FROM BOTH AGENCIES REMAIN AT
495 MPH..BUT AMSU INTENSITY ESTIMATES FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF
WISCONSIN CIMSS ARE A LITTLE HIGHER. THE INTENSITY IS SET AT 500 MPH
FOR THIS ADVISORY. NOTHING CAN STOP THIS INCREDIBLE STORM...SO CONTINUED INTENSIFICATION IS FORECAST.......... NOTHING ANYWHERE NEAR CHUCK NORRIS CAN CAUSE AN INCREASE IN SHEAR.......AND AGAIN, NOTHING INHIBITS
INTENSIFICATION OF THIS MOSTER STORM............NOTHING CAN STOP CHUCK NORRIS EXCEPT ANOTHER CHUCK NORRIS......... ALL OF THE
GLOBAL COMPUTER FORECASTING MODELS...SUCH AS THE GFS AND NAM...HAVE REFUSED TO WORK BECAUSE MAJOR HURRICANE CHUCK NORRIS DEFIES ALL MODEL GUIDANCE............
THE OFFICIAL INTENSITY FORECAST IS WHATEVER CHUCK NORRIS WANTS AND WE CANNOT DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.....


THE STORM CONTINUES TO MOVE WHEREVER HE WANTS......... THE TRACK FORECAST AND REASONING ARE
ESSENTIALLY UNCHANGED. MAJOR HURRICANE CHUCK NORRIS WILL MOVE SOMEWHERE ....AND THEN HEAD TOWARDS YOU IF YOU WANT HIM TO GO OUT TO SEA AND AWAY FROM YOU.......... THIS STORM WILL MAKE LANDFALL SOMEWHERE BETWEEN ANTARCTICA AND THE NORTH POLE.......WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHERE.........

......YOU CANNOT GET OUT OF THE PATH OF THIS STORM AS THERE IS NO RUNNING FROM CHUCK NORRIS...HE WILL FIND YOU......OUR BEST ADVICE IS TO STAY INSIDE....AND DRINK MOUNTAIN DEW......

FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS:

INIT 31/2100Z ?N ?W 500 MPH
12H 01/0600Z ?N ?W 515 MPH
24H 01/1800Z ?N ?W 525 MPH
36H 02/0600Z ?N ?W 535 MPH
48H 02/1800Z ?N ?W 540 MPH
72H 03/1800Z ?N ?W 555 MPH
96H 04/1800Z ?N ?W 575 MPH
120H 05/1800Z ?N ?W 605 MPH



$$
FORECASTER WXGEEKVA

Night Everyone!


....Also this.

Quoting TheoJesse:
At Home
I bought a home and paid for it before I retired. My insurance company saw fit to cancel my wind and hail because I lived south of I-10 in Mobile County, Al.
The cheapest wind and hail insc. I could find was $1500
a year. You ain't paying that on Social Security. I don't what I will do if I get hit hard.
Jesse


Deductable in FLA for wind damage is $5k. I never looked into a seperate policy for the coverage. Sometimes you have to take your own risk. Our risk against the insurance company's after a major weather event, it's a hard thing to determine.
Quoting WxGeekVA:
For old times' sake:



000
WTNT42 KNHC 312039
TCDAT2

MAJOR HURRICANE CHUCK NORRIS DISCUSSION NUMBER 100
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL1002011
1100 PM EST WED FEB 1 2012



…...MAJOR HURRICANE CHUCK NORRIS IS THE MOST POWERFUL HURRICANE EVER TO FORM IN ANY BASIN..... MAX SUSTAINED WINDS ARE AT 500MPH....GUSTING TO 550MPH. PRESSURE HAS DROPPED TO 652MB..... ANYONE IN THE PATH OF THIS STORM PREPARE TO BE ROUNDHOUSE KICKED BY THE MOST DESTRUCTIVE THING ON THE PLANET EVER...CHUCK NORRIS...........

....DVORAK INTENSITY ESTIMATES FROM BOTH AGENCIES REMAIN AT
495 MPH..BUT AMSU INTENSITY ESTIMATES FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF
WISCONSIN CIMSS ARE A LITTLE HIGHER. THE INTENSITY IS SET AT 500 MPH
FOR THIS ADVISORY. NOTHING CAN STOP THIS INCREDIBLE STORM...SO CONTINUED INTENSIFICATION IS FORECAST.......... NOTHING ANYWHERE NEAR CHUCK NORRIS CAN CAUSE AN INCREASE IN SHEAR.......AND AGAIN, NOTHING INHIBITS
INTENSIFICATION OF THIS MOSTER STORM............NOTHING CAN STOP CHUCK NORRIS EXCEPT ANOTHER CHUCK NORRIS......... ALL OF THE
GLOBAL COMPUTER FORECASTING MODELS...SUCH AS THE GFS AND NAM...HAVE REFUSED TO WORK BECAUSE MAJOR HURRICANE CHUCK NORRIS DEFIES ALL MODEL GUIDANCE............
THE OFFICIAL INTENSITY FORECAST IS WHATEVER CHUCK NORRIS WANTS AND WE CANNOT DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.....


THE STORM CONTINUES TO MOVE WHEREVER HE WANTS......... THE TRACK FORECAST AND REASONING ARE
ESSENTIALLY UNCHANGED. MAJOR HURRICANE CHUCK NORRIS WILL MOVE SOMEWHERE ....AND THEN HEAD TOWARDS YOU IF YOU WANT HIM TO GO OUT TO SEA AND AWAY FROM YOU.......... THIS STORM WILL MAKE LANDFALL SOMEWHERE BETWEEN ANTARCTICA AND THE NORTH POLE.......WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHERE.........

......YOU CANNOT GET OUT OF THE PATH OF THIS STORM AS THERE IS NO RUNNING FROM CHUCK NORRIS...HE WILL FIND YOU......OUR BEST ADVICE IS TO STAY INSIDE....AND DRINK MOUNTAIN DEW......

FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS:

INIT 31/2100Z ?N ?W 500 MPH
12H 01/0600Z ?N ?W 515 MPH
24H 01/1800Z ?N ?W 525 MPH
36H 02/0600Z ?N ?W 535 MPH
48H 02/1800Z ?N ?W 540 MPH
72H 03/1800Z ?N ?W 555 MPH
96H 04/1800Z ?N ?W 575 MPH
120H 05/1800Z ?N ?W 605 MPH



$$
FORECASTER WXGEEKVA

Chuck sucks.LOl.
Quoting HurrikanEB:
Does anyone know what the arctic oscillation/el nino situation was during the winter of 2007? Or where i might be able to find out.. was searching on google and didnt seem to find anything.

Winter 2006-2007 had even less snow to date here in new york than this winter has. Wondering if there was a correlation.


Try the bottom of this page:
http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/precip/CWli nk/daily_ao_index/ao_index.html
Quoting TheoJesse:
At Home
I bought a home and paid for it before I retired. My insurance company saw fit to cancel my wind and hail because I lived south of I-10 in Mobile County, Al.
The cheapest wind and hail insc. I could find was $1500
a year. You ain't paying that on Social Security. I don't what I will do if I get hit hard.
Jesse


That is terrible. :( It seems even more and more people will have to be asking that question too. Hope nothing like that comes your way Jesse.
Quoting AtHomeInTX:
Sigh...

State Farm not renewing some policies
Posted: Feb 01, 2012 3:04 PM CST Updated: Feb 01, 2012 3:39 PM CST


State Farm will not renew insurance coverage for thousands of Southeast Texas homeowners.

State Farm Spokesperson Kevin Davis says that nearly 11,000 policies will be affected.

Homeowners living in coastal areas of Jefferson, Orange, Chambers, Galveston and Brazoria Counties will begin to be notified by mail by the beginning of May.

Davis says that the move is to insure that the company has the resources to meet the financial obligations and maintain its standard of service for the majority of Texas customers.

Davis says that local agents will also be affected from the loss of policies, but the move would not affect customers' automobile, rental insurance or other policies.


According to a friend it has also happened on Cape Cod. He is now on a MA state plan of some sort.

The insurance companies evidently believe in climate change and sea level rise.
Quoting WxGeekVA:
For old times' sake:



000
WTNT42 KNHC 312039
TCDAT2

MAJOR HURRICANE CHUCK NORRIS DISCUSSION NUMBER 100
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL1002011
1100 PM EST WED FEB 1 2012



…...MAJOR HURRICANE CHUCK NORRIS IS THE MOST POWERFUL HURRICANE EVER TO FORM IN ANY BASIN..... MAX SUSTAINED WINDS ARE AT 500MPH....GUSTING TO 550MPH. PRESSURE HAS DROPPED TO 652MB..... ANYONE IN THE PATH OF THIS STORM PREPARE TO BE ROUNDHOUSE KICKED BY THE MOST DESTRUCTIVE THING ON THE PLANET EVER...CHUCK NORRIS...........

....DVORAK INTENSITY ESTIMATES FROM BOTH AGENCIES REMAIN AT
495 MPH..BUT AMSU INTENSITY ESTIMATES FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF
WISCONSIN CIMSS ARE A LITTLE HIGHER. THE INTENSITY IS SET AT 500 MPH
FOR THIS ADVISORY. NOTHING CAN STOP THIS INCREDIBLE STORM...SO CONTINUED INTENSIFICATION IS FORECAST.......... NOTHING ANYWHERE NEAR CHUCK NORRIS CAN CAUSE AN INCREASE IN SHEAR.......AND AGAIN, NOTHING INHIBITS
INTENSIFICATION OF THIS MOSTER STORM............NOTHING CAN STOP CHUCK NORRIS EXCEPT ANOTHER CHUCK NORRIS......... ALL OF THE
GLOBAL COMPUTER FORECASTING MODELS...SUCH AS THE GFS AND NAM...HAVE REFUSED TO WORK BECAUSE MAJOR HURRICANE CHUCK NORRIS DEFIES ALL MODEL GUIDANCE............
THE OFFICIAL INTENSITY FORECAST IS WHATEVER CHUCK NORRIS WANTS AND WE CANNOT DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.....


THE STORM CONTINUES TO MOVE WHEREVER HE WANTS......... THE TRACK FORECAST AND REASONING ARE
ESSENTIALLY UNCHANGED. MAJOR HURRICANE CHUCK NORRIS WILL MOVE SOMEWHERE ....AND THEN HEAD TOWARDS YOU IF YOU WANT HIM TO GO OUT TO SEA AND AWAY FROM YOU.......... THIS STORM WILL MAKE LANDFALL SOMEWHERE BETWEEN ANTARCTICA AND THE NORTH POLE.......WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHERE.........

......YOU CANNOT GET OUT OF THE PATH OF THIS STORM AS THERE IS NO RUNNING FROM CHUCK NORRIS...HE WILL FIND YOU......OUR BEST ADVICE IS TO STAY INSIDE....AND DRINK MOUNTAIN DEW......

FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS:

INIT 31/2100Z ?N ?W 500 MPH
12H 01/0600Z ?N ?W 515 MPH
24H 01/1800Z ?N ?W 525 MPH
36H 02/0600Z ?N ?W 535 MPH
48H 02/1800Z ?N ?W 540 MPH
72H 03/1800Z ?N ?W 555 MPH
96H 04/1800Z ?N ?W 575 MPH
120H 05/1800Z ?N ?W 605 MPH



$$
FORECASTER WXGEEKVA



TERRIFIC LOL. Night all.
Presslord and myself had the privilege and pleasure of meeting TheoJesse in the Summer of 09,in Destin.

He is a American Veteran and a friend.

Such friendships have been a gift to me thru this medium and site.


One's that I treasure most high in my Life
Quoting Patrap:
Presslord and myself had the privilege and pleasure of meeting TheoJesse in the Summer of 09,in Destin.

He is a American Veteran and a friend.

Such friendships have been a gift to me thru this medium and site.


One's that I treasure most high in my Life


Patrick...You and Press are some of my faves and I appreciate your wumails now and again. Based upon your endorsement, I will add TheoJesse as well. I had to jump in over a weather hazard insurance discussion and so I have surfaced. To you and Press both-whassup with the latest avatars? Press, go back to the "Dawg Thing!"

To Jesse, AtHome and Percy, I too was on a State plan when hurricane Charley hit me...the claim fight was horrendous at best!

A friend of mine in St. Michaels, MD has some Chinese windmill palm trees growing at his place and they have done well. Some others in his neighborhood have started growing them too.
Quoting BaltimoreBrian:
A friend of mine in St. Michaels, MD has some Chinese windmill palm trees growing at his place and they have done well. Some others in his neighborhood have started growing them too.


Do they generate electricity?
Quoting hydrus:
Yeah baby..Fusion reactors by the year 2040. The oceans would provide millions of years worth of energy without the filth...Somethin like this, just a little bigger...he he..


Fusion is easy. Sustainable fusion that puts out more energy than it takes in is hard. It's kind of difficult to contain something several million degrees K that dissolves anything it touches. :)
No but they are cold tolerant! People grow them in Alaska, down in the panhandle near Annette as novelites. I see they grow in Scotland too. Someone in Bergen Norway should try them.
Quoting opsman27N82W:


Deductable in FLA for wind damage is $5k. I never looked into a seperate policy for the coverage. Sometimes you have to take your own risk. Our risk against the insurance company's after a major weather event, it's a hard thing to determine.

Based on you location you live in Fl.
My deductible was about the same. I had to replace the roof on my house when I bought it. Price about $1900.
I physically can do the job, just hope it doesn't do more damage.
Jesse
Sustainable economic nuclear fusion as a source of electricity is a power source with great potential.

And always will be. ;)
Quoting Grothar:


Do they generate electricity?


LOL. I was wondering how to respond to this post. I really should go back to lurking...I would stay out of trouble that way!
Quoting washingtonian115:
Chuck sucks.LOl.
Chuck is not so bad.. In fact, he was a true world champion...On November 24, 1968, he avenged his defeat to Delgado and by doing so won the Professional Middleweight Karate champion title, which he held for six consecutive years.[8] In 1969, he won Karate's triple crown for the most tournament wins of the year, and the Fighter of the Year award by Black Belt Magazine. Chuck Norris retired with a karate record of 183–10–2.

It is occasionally cited that Norris made history in 1997 when he was the first Westerner in the documented history of Tae Kwon Do to be given the rank of 8th Degree Black Belt Grand Master.[12] However, Norris appears to have been misled about this as there were at least two other U.S. Black Belts (Charles 'Chuck' Sereff and Edward Sell[13][14]) awarded TKD 8th Dan several years prior. On July 1, 2000, Norris was presented the Golden Lifetime Achievement Award by the World Karate Union Hall of Fame.
Quoting WxGeekVA:
For old times' sake:



000
WTNT42 KNHC 312039
TCDAT2

MAJOR HURRICANE CHUCK NORRIS DISCUSSION NUMBER 100
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL1002011
1100 PM EST WED FEB 1 2012



%u2026...MAJOR HURRICANE CHUCK NORRIS IS THE MOST POWERFUL HURRICANE EVER TO FORM IN ANY BASIN..... MAX SUSTAINED WINDS ARE AT 500MPH....GUSTING TO 550MPH. PRESSURE HAS DROPPED TO 652MB..... ANYONE IN THE PATH OF THIS STORM PREPARE TO BE ROUNDHOUSE KICKED BY THE MOST DESTRUCTIVE THING ON THE PLANET EVER...CHUCK NORRIS...........

....DVORAK INTENSITY ESTIMATES FROM BOTH AGENCIES REMAIN AT
495 MPH..BUT AMSU INTENSITY ESTIMATES FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF
WISCONSIN CIMSS ARE A LITTLE HIGHER. THE INTENSITY IS SET AT 500 MPH
FOR THIS ADVISORY. NOTHING CAN STOP THIS INCREDIBLE STORM...SO CONTINUED INTENSIFICATION IS FORECAST.......... NOTHING ANYWHERE NEAR CHUCK NORRIS CAN CAUSE AN INCREASE IN SHEAR.......AND AGAIN, NOTHING INHIBITS
INTENSIFICATION OF THIS MOSTER STORM............NOTHING CAN STOP CHUCK NORRIS EXCEPT ANOTHER CHUCK NORRIS......... ALL OF THE
GLOBAL COMPUTER FORECASTING MODELS...SUCH AS THE GFS AND NAM...HAVE REFUSED TO WORK BECAUSE MAJOR HURRICANE CHUCK NORRIS DEFIES ALL MODEL GUIDANCE............
THE OFFICIAL INTENSITY FORECAST IS WHATEVER CHUCK NORRIS WANTS AND WE CANNOT DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.....


THE STORM CONTINUES TO MOVE WHEREVER HE WANTS......... THE TRACK FORECAST AND REASONING ARE
ESSENTIALLY UNCHANGED. MAJOR HURRICANE CHUCK NORRIS WILL MOVE SOMEWHERE ....AND THEN HEAD TOWARDS YOU IF YOU WANT HIM TO GO OUT TO SEA AND AWAY FROM YOU.......... THIS STORM WILL MAKE LANDFALL SOMEWHERE BETWEEN ANTARCTICA AND THE NORTH POLE.......WE JUST DON'T KNOW WHERE.........

......YOU CANNOT GET OUT OF THE PATH OF THIS STORM AS THERE IS NO RUNNING FROM CHUCK NORRIS...HE WILL FIND YOU......OUR BEST ADVICE IS TO STAY INSIDE....AND DRINK MOUNTAIN DEW......

FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS:

INIT 31/2100Z ?N ?W 500 MPH
12H 01/0600Z ?N ?W 515 MPH
24H 01/1800Z ?N ?W 525 MPH
36H 02/0600Z ?N ?W 535 MPH
48H 02/1800Z ?N ?W 540 MPH
72H 03/1800Z ?N ?W 555 MPH
96H 04/1800Z ?N ?W 575 MPH
120H 05/1800Z ?N ?W 605 MPH



$$
FORECASTER WXGEEKVA



I'm sorry, but you are forgetting one thing. The intensity (and forecasts) should be OVER9000mph and the pressure UNDER-9000mb.
Quoting Bobbyweather:
Hi.
Here in Seoul, the low was -17.1C (1.2F) this morning. News reports say that this was the coldest temperature in February since 1977.
there has been a shift in the winter pattern along the way only 6 weeks left and its spring
Quoting BaltimoreBrian:
No but they are cold tolerant! People grow them in Alaska, down in the panhandle near Annette as novelites. I see they grow in Scotland too. Someone in Bergen Norway should try them.


I have seen them on Long Island, NY. I posted pictures of them a few months back. There is another variety that grows on the end of Long Island, but I cannot remember the name. The east end of Long Island has a mild climate considering how far North it is.
Quoting AtHomeInTX:


That is terrible. :( It seems even more and more people will have to be asking that question too. Hope nothing like that comes your way Jesse.
Quoting AtHomeInTX:
Thanks
Jesse
Blog is strange, hope this comes through.
Yes surrounded by all that water. Hamptons are very mild.

How you doing Grothar?
Quoting TheoJesse:

Based on you location you live in Fl.
My deductible was about the same. I had to replace the roof on my house when I bought it. Price about $1900.
I physically can do the job, just hope it doesn't do more damage.
Jesse


My insurance company made me replace the roof prior to hurricane Charley due to the house being older...glad they did because I was one of the few in the neighborhood that didn't lose a roof in the storm.
Flood warning for 550 properties in northern NSW






EVACUATIONS are underway in northern NSW as rising floodwaters threaten to cut off towns. Thousands of residents have been told to leave.

Helicopters are descending on the region to airlift hundreds to safety.

About 1600 residents in Moree and 80 people in nearby Biniguy have been ordered to leave their homes immediately as the Mehi and Gwydir rivers continue to rise to levels not seen since the 1970.

Meanwhile a major operation is underway at Pallamallawa, with helicopters airlifting 600 trapped residents to safety.

"Airlifting them out is the only option we have,'' NSW SES Deputy Commissioner of Operations Steven Pearce told AAP on Thursday.

"It's an operation that will take all day, but we are very confident we will get everyone to safety."

The SES said residents who ignored the evacuation order could be risking their lives.

Evacuating

Moree - 1600 people being evacuated to south Moree as the town prepares to be cut in half by 3pm (AEDT) on Thursday.
Biniguy - 80 people being evacuated.
Pallamallawa - 600 people being airlifted to safety.

Isolated

Wee-Waa - 2500 residents have been cut off by rising floodwaters.

On standby to evacuate

Croki and Manning Point - About 260 residents are likely to be evacuated later on Thursday, as the Manning River continues to rise.
Evacuation warnings are also in place for 60 properties on the Wingham Peninsula, 40 properties in Taree and 19 properties in Barraba.

The SES said the Mehi River at Moree was expected to exceed 9.5 metres about 3pm (AEDT) on Thursday and peak around 10.3 metres by 9am on Friday morning.

Residents are being advised to evacuate to south Moree, where evacuation centres have been set up at the town hall and the PCYC.

The SES has received 820 requests for assistance in recent days, with nine flood rescues carried out overnight.

Multiple flood rescues of people trapped in their homes and cars were being carried out on Thursday.

Meanwhile, up to 260 residents at Croki and Manning Point have been warned to prepare to evacuate as the Manning River continues to rise.

That evacuation order was likely to be put out later on Thursday, Dep Comm Pearce said.

The region has been hammered with 250mm of rain overnight, and the town of Wee Waa is completely isolated.

About 2500 residents there will be monitored through regular food and supply drops, Dep Comm Pearce said.

Evacuation warnings are in place for 60 properties on the Wingham Peninsula, 40 properties in Taree and 19 properties in Barraba.

The Bureau of Meteorology (BoM) said the river at Wingham reached 8.9 metres early on Thursday morning.

In Taree the SES is setting up evacuation centres at Taree PCYC and Taree High School.

In Barraba, the Manilla River reached 5.7 metres on Thursday morning.

Bellingen, which was heavily flooded last week, is once again cut in two after the Bellinger River spilled over its banks.

Thirteen flood warnings remain in place for river systems across NSW, with rain expected to spread to the Hunter region, the Illawarra and metropolitan Sydney later on Thursday.

"This is a campaign of flood events that are likely to stay around for some time," Det Comm Pearce said.

Roads closed

Newell Highway closed between Narrabri and the Queensland Border

Carnarvon Highway closed between Moree and Mungindi

Gwydir Highway closed between Warialda and Collarenebri

Oxley Highway closed between Gunnedah and Tamworth

Thunderbolts Way closed between Uralla and Bundarra

Waterfall Way alternating traffic between Dorrigo and Bellingen due to road surface damage; caution should be taken with water over the road just past Bellingen

Failford Road, Failford closed between Pacific Highway and Tuncurry Road.
Quoting BahaHurican:
I doubt Xyrus is Nea, though. And isn't it slandel or liber or some such if you don't have proof but publically malign someone's reputation? Either way, 1) innocent until proven guilty, and 2) I can't imagine needing to be on this blog so much that you have to make 2 of yourself... I barely have time to be one of me...[lol]

BTW, did u guys get rain with that frontal passage? It rained for almost an hour, at times heavily, as it went through this morning. Felt kinda weird for Feb 1.




Am I really so bad that calling someone me is maligning them? :D

No, I am not Nea. I think that would be obvious to anyone; our writing styles are different. Regardless, just because a group internet people happen to agree on topics of discussion doesn't imply they are all just sockpuppets. After all, I don't think anyone is calling Pensacola a sockpuppet of SPL, or vice-versa, even though they share some similar views.
Quoting TheoJesse:


It came through fine. And yes, our blog is tempermental at times. :)
Severe Weather Warning
for flash flooding
for people in the Upper Western, North West Slopes & Plains, Metropolitan, Northern Tablelands, Illawarra, Central West Slopes & Plains, Hunter, Mid North Coast and Central Tablelands forecast districts

Issued at 11:18 am EDT on Thursday 2 February 2012.
Weather Situation

A broad trough of low pressure lies over inland NewSouth Wales, while a high south of the Bight extends a ridge across the southern Tasman Sea. This pattern, with assistance from an upper-level system over the state's west, is generating widespread rain across many central and eastern districts. A second trough lies of the northern coast, and is expected to bringing increased rainfall to central parts of the coast as it moves southwards later today and early Friday

Rain which may lead to flash flooding is forecast for the Metropolitan, Illawarra, Central Tablelands, Central West Slopes & Plains, Hunter and North West Slopes & Plains forecast districts, in addition to the eastern parts of the Upper Western, and southern parts of the Northern Tablelands and Mid North Coast forecast districts.

In the 24 hours to 9am Thursday Nowendoc has recorded 117 mm of rain, Port Macquarie 83mm, Comboyne 86mm, Tamworth 121mm, Narrabri 128mm, Moree 88mm, and Mogil Mogil 165mm.

For latest flood warning information, refer to www.bom.gov.au/nsw/warnings/

The State Emergency Service advises that people should:

Don't drive, ride or walk through flood water.
Keep clear of creeks and storm drains.
If you are trapped by flash flooding, seek refuge in the highest available place and ring 000 if you need rescue.

Quoting opsman27N82W:


As a Floridian, I concur with your *sigh*...all of the major 'insurers' have done the same down leaving us with unknowns that you really have to question what they are covering and what they do not. Then you sweat out an event wondering if you will have a claim honored. *heavy sigh*


You're screwed without insurance, and you might be screwed with insurance.

It's that "might" that gives people hope when disaster strikes.
Quoting Xyrus2000:


Fusion is easy. Sustainable fusion that puts out more energy than it takes in is hard. It's kind of difficult to contain something several million degrees K that dissolves anything it touches. :)
Nuclear Physics is another science I like. The universe is brimming with it..........Here is a piece about fusion......For sustained, controlled fusion reactions, a fission bomb obviously cannot be used to trigger the reaction. The difficulties of controlled fusion center on the containment of the nuclear fuel at the extremely high temperatures necessary for fusion for a time long enough to allow the reaction to take place. For deuterium-tritium fusion, this time is about 0.1 sec. At such temperatures the fuel is no longer in one of the ordinary states of matter but is instead a plasma, consisting of a mixture of electrons and charged atoms. Obviously, no solid container could hold such a hot mixture; therefore, containment attempts have been based on the electrical and magnetic properties of a plasma, using magnetic fields to form a "magnetic bottle." In 1994 U.S. researchers achieved a fusion reaction that lasted about a second and generated 10.7 million watts, using deuterium and tritium in a magnetically confined plasma. The use of tritium lowers the temperature required and increases the rate of the reaction, but it also increases the release of radioactive neutrons. Another method has used laser beams aimed at tiny pellets of fusion fuel.

If practical controlled fusion is achieved, it could have great advantages over fission as a source of energy. Deuterium is relatively easy to obtain, since it constitutes a small percentage of the hydrogen in water and can be separated by electrolysis, in contrast to the complex and expensive methods required to extract uranium-235 from its sources. In 2007 China, the European Union, India, Japan, Russia, South Korea, and the United States formally established the International Thermonuclear Experimental Reactor (ITER) Organization to build an experimental fusion reactor at Cadarache in S France that would use the "magnetic bottle" approach. The Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory's National Ignition Facility, based in Livermore, Calif., and dedicated in 2009, is exploring the use of high-energy lasers focused on hydrogen fuel to achieve nuclear fusion.

Read more: http://www.answers.com/topic/nuclear-energy#ixzz1l CD49j2v
Quoting Patrap:
Presslord and myself had the privilege and pleasure of meeting TheoJesse in the Summer of 09,in Destin.

He is a American Veteran and a friend.

Such friendships have been a gift to me thru this medium and site.


One's that I treasure most high in my Life

Thanks Patrap.
I have found some information that going to cause a stir. GW might be over. More to come.
Jesse
whassup with the latest avatars

one to fill in while I grow some Hair back,daz all.
Quoting SPLbeater:


Dont you have anything else to do then continue to talk about me? Can you not accept the fact that i am NOT done with school and do NOT know every single figure of speech, and word? No i am not admitting i dont know what a double standard is. i do. Period.



Do you see me always talk about you? I don't care how you spell, I do resent that you continue to complain about off-topic posts but yet you're one who does it. It's called being a hypocrite. There's nothing people hate more than hypocrites.
The more info we have TheoJesse, the better informed we all are I say as well.
Quoting Patrap:
whassup with the latest avatars

one to fill in while I grow some Hair back,daz all.


Wruh Whoo! You had better clue me in!
Quoting opsman27N82W:


Patrick...You and Press are some of my faves and I appreciate your wumails now and again. Based upon your endorsement, I will add TheoJesse as well. I had to jump in over a weather hazard insurance discussion and so I have surfaced. To you and Press both-whassup with the latest avatars? Press, go back to the "Dawg Thing!"

To Jesse, AtHome and Percy, I too was on a State plan when hurricane Charley hit me...the claim fight was horrendous at best!

Quoting opsman27N82W:


Patrick...You and Press are some of my faves and I appreciate your wumails now and again. Based upon your endorsement, I will add TheoJesse as well. I had to jump in over a weather hazard insurance discussion and so I have surfaced. To you and Press both-whassup with the latest avatars? Press, go back to the "Dawg Thing!"

To Jesse, AtHome and Percy, I too was on a State plan when hurricane Charley hit me...the claim fight was horrendous at best!


I appreciate the confidence.
Jesse
Quoting Grothar:


Do they generate electricity?
maybe palm oil thats it then burn it for power
Quoting BeCoolOrBeCastOut:



sometimes you get it from both sides simultaniously like a princer attack on Final Fantasy, but that can be fun, too.


Best post ever.
Quoting BaltimoreBrian:
Sustainable economic nuclear fusion as a source of electricity is a power source with great potential.

And always will be. ;)


That's my next project, just as soon as I work the last few bugs out of my perpetual motion machine.
Interesting System, IS01WU starting to fester. HOPEFULLY all understand what the WU stands for.


Quoting ShenValleyFlyFish:


That's my next project, just as soon as I work the last few bugs out of my perpetual motion machine.


*snicker*
I-95 will probity close sometime tonight through early morning maybe 50 to 405, in North Brevard County. This is due to prescribed burns at KSC & around Tituville. KSC industrial area workers are to stay away til at least 10am.



After what happened south of Gainesville are they issuing more strongly worded smoke advisories?

I didn't understand how it took them two days to find one of the bodies in a truck in that wreck south of Gainesville.
312. skook
Quoting BaltimoreBrian:
After what happened south of Gainesville are they issuing more strongly worded smoke advisories?

I didn't understand how it took them two days to find one of the bodies in a truck in that wreck south of Gainesville.




When you have a pile of ashes.. .that once was a car, its may take a couple days.


the same thing happened about 4 years ago in Polk county too, brush fire and dense fog led to a 100 car or so pile up. It burned so hot that the road melted, and had to be resurfaced.
I didn't think about a body being completely consumed. Thanks Skook.


‘Ring of fire’ solar eclipse visible from North America


Get out your calendar and make a big exclamation point on May 20. That’s when an annular solar eclipse will turn the sun into a glowing ring of fire.

This is the first solar eclipse visible from the United States in about 18 years, according to NASA. We’ve had our share of lunar eclipses in recent years, but solar eclipses happen when the moon passes in front of the sun, obscuring it from view.

The “ring of fire” effect will be visible as far north as Medford, Oregon and as far south as Lubbock, Texas. Throughout the zone –called the “path of annularity” – sky watchers will see the sun transformed into a a bright doughnut-like object.

The rest of the country west of the Mississippi (including Seattle) will witness a partial eclipse. That’s when the sun appears to be crescent-shaped as the moon passes by off-center.

NASA wants to remind you that this is not a total eclipse — when the moon entirely obscures the sun from view. The next total eclipse visible from the US happens in 2017. (Again, mark your calendar.)
MRSA abbreviation for
(Life Sciences & Allied Applications / Microbiology) methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus: a bacterium that enters the skin through open wounds to cause septicaemia and is extremely resistant to most antibiotics. It has been responsible for outbreaks of untreatable infections among patients in hospitals.

Pestilence watch: deadly form of MRSA spreads from U.S. to U.K.

Posted on February 2, 2012
February 2, 2012 – LONDON – The number of potentially deadly strains of MRSA that are easily passed between healthy people, outside hospitals is increasing in the UK, experts said today. They include a flesh-eating form of pneumonia, USA300, which has spread across the US and is now being seen in the UK. Dr. Ruth Massey, from the Department of Biology and Biochemistry at the University of Bath, said extra vigilance was required around PVL-positive community acquired MRSA strains. She drew attention to USA300, a deadly strain of the superbug which passes easily through skin-to-skin contact. It is resistant to treatment by several front-line antibiotics and can cause large boils on the skin. In severe cases, USA300 can lead to fatal blood poisoning or a form of pneumonia that can eat away at lung tissue. Dr. Massey said there were 1,000 cases of PVL-positive community acquired MRSA in England in the last year, of which 200 were USA300 strains. ‘These community-acquired strains seem to be good at affecting healthy people – they seem to be much better than the hospital ones at causing disease. ‘They don’t rely on healthcare workers moving them around, which the hospital ones seem to.’ Dr. Massey said USA300 is ‘a really big issue in the US and it’s starting to emerge here. ‘But hopefully because we are aware of it and are working to understand it, it won’t become as big of a problem (in the UK).’ –Daily Mail
XX/XX/XX
Quoting BaltimoreBrian:
After what happened south of Gainesville are they issuing more strongly worded smoke advisories?

I didn't understand how it took them two days to find one of the bodies in a truck in that wreck south of Gainesville.


This is typical some years for this area. If it wasn't prescribed & without rain soon this place is going up. I see Fellsmere got their prescribed burn. I hope they think to to burn down around Palm Bay & Mims soon too. ECFL is close to suffering at the whims of too much perfect weather.

Yesterday when they started those, wind may have kicked up more than expected. The KSC one had a Mesocyclone signature on radar. It got real thick out there this morning, air quality & CO was an issue too Tomorrow even more fog is expected to mix in.. Here's road closures..

That wreck on I-75 was horrific.
There is a ring around the moon here.
Thanks Skyepony.
Australian prime minister says boat carrying 350 people has sunk off Papua New Guinea

By Associated Press, Published: February 1

PORT MORESBY, Papua New Guinea — Rescuers have plucked 50 survivors from the sea off Papua New Guinea’s east coast after a ferry sank Thursday with as many as 350 people on board, officials said.

An airplane from Australia, three helicopters and six ships were scouring the search area after the MV Rabaul Queen went down while traveling from Kimbe on the island of New Britain to coastal town of Lae on the main island, Australian Maritime Safety Authority said in a statement.



Australian Prime Minister Julia Gillard called the incident a “major tragedy” and said her country was providing assistance to its near neighbor.

“Given the likely very high loss of life here, I think when this news comes to the attention of Australians around the country they will be thinking about the people of PNG as they respond to this tragedy,” she added.

The Australian maritime agency initially detected the ferry’s distress beacon and alerted the PNG Maritime Rescue Coordination Center, which is coordinating the rescue effort. The Australian statement said “approximately 50 people have been rescued so far.”

It said 350 people were believed to be on board, but Papua New Guinea’s National Maritime Safety Authority (NMSA) rescue co-ordinator Captain Nurur Rahman said the true figure was likely lower.

“I cannot confirm or deny the 350 missing number. It is hearsay,” Rahman said. “I have not seen the manifest as yet, but it is likely around 300.”

Rahman said he was being fed information from an NMSA agent on board one of the ships.

“The dynamics of this thing are changing all the time, minute by minute,” he said.

Ship operator Star Ships could not be immediately contacted for comment.
You are completely wrong! We got it the other way on hahaped.
I know best about it! And it’s all thanks to hahaped
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LOOKS LIKE THE GFS AND THE OTHER MODELS ARE COMING INTO AGREEMENT ON THE STORM IN THE GULF THAT THE GFS HAS BEEN DEVELOPING!
AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MIAMI FL
309 AM EST THU FEB 2 2012

.DISCUSSION...LOW LEVEL RIDGE OF HIGH PRES ACROSS N FLA MOVES E
INTO THE ATLC AS A WEAKENING FRONT PUSHES INTO N FLA...WHICH
WILL DISSIPATE OVER CENTRAL FLORIDA. HIGH PRES WILL BUILD INTO THE
SE U.S. WHILE A LOW PRES SYSTEM DEEPENS OVER THE CENTRAL GREAT
PLAINS. THE LOW LIFTS THE MOISTURE ASSOCIATED WITH THE DISAPPEARING
FRONT BACK N AS THE HIGH PRES MOVES SE INTO THE ATLC. THIS KEEPS AN
EASTERLY FLOW ACROSS S FLA WHICH WILL BE WEAKER TODAY THAN IN THE
PAST COUPLE OF DAYS BUT WILL INCREASE AGAIN FRIDAY INTO THE WEEKEND.
SOME SHOWERS WILL MOVE OVER THE ATLC TOWARD THE E COAST AND ONSHORE
AFFECTING THE E COAST AND METRO ZONES PRIMARILY WITH MINIMAL POPS.
MAX AND MIN TEMPS WILL REMAIN ABOVE NORMAL. DUE TO THE LOW LEVEL
MOISTURE INCREASE AND DECOUPLING OF THE WINDS...SOME PATCHY LATE
NIGHT FOG CAN OCCUR IN THE INTERIOR AND W.

.EXTENDED PERIOD...SUNDAY THROUGH WEDNESDAY...ON SUNDAY THE GREAT
PLAINS LOW PRES SYSTEM MOVES E AND MOVES OFF OF THE CAROLINAS WITH
THE ASSOCIATED COLD FRONT MOVING INTO N FLA AND STALLING. THE ATLC
RIDGE REMAINS IN PLACE OVER CENTRAL FLA. MONDAY THROUGH WEDNESDAY
...LOW PRES DEVELOPS AND DEEPENS IN THE GULF PULLING DEEPER MOISTURE
TOWARD S FLA. ISENTROPIC LIFTS DEVELOPS AND THE PROSPECT OF INCREAS
-ING CHANCES OF RAIN ACROSS THE AREA...NOT JUST THE E COAST...
APPEARS TO BE DEVELOPING.
Morning all. Currently 68 and calm here in Nassau. I know, 'cause I went out to check... lol

"Yet the biggest challenges may be more technical than financial."

Thanks for the informative post, percylives. This line I quoted was the pivotal one for me. I really don't think we have to keep relying on "big oil" as they say. What we need to do is figure out how to use alternative cleaner energy sources work more effeciently.

Quoting ProgressivePulse:
Interesting System, IS01WU starting to fester. HOPEFULLY all understand what the WU stands for.


Yikes! Hope that's not my super-Feb-WX hopes out the window.... lol

But I agree.... it's the most cloud cover seen in the W GOM for a while.

Quoting sunlinepr:
MRSA abbreviation for
(Life Sciences & Allied Applications / Microbiology) methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus: a bacterium that enters the skin through open wounds to cause septicaemia and is extremely resistant to most antibiotics. It has been responsible for outbreaks of untreatable infections among patients in hospitals.

Pestilence watch: deadly form of MRSA spreads from U.S. to U.K.

Posted on February 2, 2012
February 2, 2012 – LONDON – The number of potentially deadly strains of MRSA that are easily passed between healthy people, outside hospitals is increasing in the UK, experts said today. They include a flesh-eating form of pneumonia, USA300, which has spread across the US and is now being seen in the UK. Dr. Ruth Massey, from the Department of Biology and Biochemistry at the University of Bath, said extra vigilance was required around PVL-positive community acquired MRSA strains. She drew attention to USA300, a deadly strain of the superbug which passes easily through skin-to-skin contact. It is resistant to treatment by several front-line antibiotics and can cause large boils on the skin. In severe cases, USA300 can lead to fatal blood poisoning or a form of pneumonia that can eat away at lung tissue. Dr. Massey said there were 1,000 cases of PVL-positive community acquired MRSA in England in the last year, of which 200 were USA300 strains. ‘These community-acquired strains seem to be good at affecting healthy people – they seem to be much better than the hospital ones at causing disease. ‘They don’t rely on healthcare workers moving them around, which the hospital ones seem to.’ Dr. Massey said USA300 is ‘a really big issue in the US and it’s starting to emerge here. ‘But hopefully because we are aware of it and are working to understand it, it won’t become as big of a problem (in the UK).’ –Daily Mail
This is interesting. I saw something about something like this on an Ancient Aliens show on History channel [I think it was]. It reminds me that we may beat / get rid of one pathogen, but that never means we're "safe".
And here's the latest Tropical Weather Report
Quoting ProgressivePulse:
Interesting System, IS01WU starting to fester. HOPEFULLY all understand what the WU stands for.




Amen, I'm tired of the political bullcrap!
Good morning everyone.


Link


Quoting BahaHurican:
Morning all. Currently 68 and calm here in Nassau. I know, 'cause I went out to check... lol

"Yet the biggest challenges may be more technical than financial."

Thanks for the informative post, percylives. This line I quoted was the pivotal one for me. I really don't think we have to keep relying on "big oil" as they say. What we need to do is figure out how to use alternative cleaner energy sources work more effeciently.

Yikes! Hope that's not my super-Feb-WX hopes out the window.... lol

But I agree.... it's the most cloud cover seen in the W GOM for a while.

This is interesting. I saw something about something like this on an Ancient Aliens show on History channel [I think it was]. It reminds me that we may beat / get rid of one pathogen, but that never means we're "safe".


Unfortunately, one of the problems caused by massive usage of antibiotics and vaccines is that the human immune system has become dependent on artificial enhancements to fight disease.

MRSA is actually incapable of surviving on a copper surface, as was recently demonstrated in experimentation.

There is probably a nano-tech solution for Hospitals, such as some sort of copper-polymer composite material, or a copper alloy (to prevent corrosion,) which could be used to coat surfaces such as door knobs and other handles, or counter tops. Unfortunately, copper is getting more and more expensive lately.


0Z GFS Subtropical Storm Alberto..... Reminds me a lot of TS Lee of last year in location, appearance, and track.
Quoting WxGeekVA:


0Z GFS Subtropical Storm Alberto..... Reminds me a lot of TS Lee of last year in location, appearance, and track.


If we do get STS Alberto in a few days, that will be incredible. Just incredible.
Jeff Masters' blog Jan 31 featured a map showing Departure of temperature from average as analyzed by the GFS model, for January 30, 2012. Anybody know how to see an updated version of that map?
I come here for weather news...and nobody has mentioned a Groundhog report......pffft...
I predict 6 more weeks of bickering!
When the sun rises in San Francisco, wunderground has Alan T. Groundhog to give us the lowdown on the winter forecast. See our Video!

Jeff Masters
Quoting JeffMasters:
When the sun rises in San Francisco, wunderground has Alan T. Groundhog to give us the lowdown on the winter forecast. See our Video!

Jeff Masters


Excellent!!!!!
Oh noes. I don't believe changing the groundhog site is permissable.
Quoting JeffMasters:
When the sun rises in San Francisco, wunderground has Alan T. Groundhog to give us the lowdown on the winter forecast. See our Video!

Jeff Masters


Just on TV the Groundhog saw his shadow, 6 more weeks of winter! breaking news! breaking news!
Boy the moisture is really starting to pool in the Gulf. Very strange to see moisture moving up from the equator toward the Gulf in a La-Nina year.

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION...UPDATED
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MELBOURNE FL
400 AM EST THU FEB 2 2012


SUN-WED...
ELEVATED MOISTURE LVLS THRU THE FIRST HALF OF NEXT WEEK AS THE
REMNANTS OF THE FRONTAL BOUNDARY WILL BE REINFORCED BY A STORM
CURRENTLY DVLPG OVER THE ROCKY MTNS. ECMWF/GFS MODELS ARE IN GOOD
AGREEMENT THRU WED...BOTH TRACK THE SYSTEM ACRS THE NATION`S
MIDSECTION THRU THE WEEKEND BEFORE MERGING IT WITH A NRN STREAM
SHORT WAVE OVER THE GREAT LAKES. STRONG MID/UPR LVL ZONAL FLOW ACRS
THE SRN TIER STATES WOULD SUPPORT A SLOW MOVING FRONTAL TROF THRU
THE DEEP S AND THE FL PENINSULA...A PATTERN THAT WOULD RESULT IN
PRECIP CHANCES FOR SVRL DAYS IN A ROW.

INDEED...THE 02/00Z MEX NUMERICAL GUIDANCE HAS PUSHED MON/TUE POPS
INTO THE 40-50PCT RANGE AND CONT 30PCT POPS THRU MIDWEEK.
HOWEVER...
GIVEN THE TRACK RECORD OF FROPAS THIS WINTER...WILL CAP POPS AT
30PCT FOR NOW. WARM E/SERLY FLOW AHEAD OF THE FRONTAL TROF WILL KEEP
MAX TEMPS 5-10F ABV AVG...MIN TEMPS 10-15F ABV AVG. MINIMAL POST
FRONTAL CAA AS THE AIRMASS WILL HAVE SEVERAL DAYS TO MODIFY AS IT
SAGS THRU THE DEEP S...MAX TEMPS N OF I-4 MAY DROP TO NEAR AVG
TUE/WED BUT WILL REMAIN ARND 5F ABV AVG S OF I-4. HIGH CLOUD COVER
AND ONSHORE FLOW WILL KEEP MIN TEMPS 10-15F ABV AVG.

10 day GFS precip forecast.

They are trucking water to folks in Texas too that have run out of their water sources. It is sad that it takes till NOW for them to think of not growing lawns with their drinking water.

I'm surprised that the Spruce have come down on the side of Climate Change along with the Glaciers, and Polar Bears, and Ice Truckers. Don't they know it is all heat island effect in the cities?
Perhaps they heard about the 500 million trees that died from water stress and fire in Texas and are trying to put some distance between them.
It's Groundhog Day! Punxsutawney Phil predicts six more weeks of winter

THE world-famous weather-reading groundhog Punxsutawney Phil predicted six more weeks of winter today from his home at Gobbler's Knob, near Punxsutawney, Pennsylvania.

According to American folklore, if the rodent sees his shadow, then the country can expect six more weeks of winter. If he does not, then spring is on the way.

Every year on February 2, [yadda, yadda, yadda] thousands of merrymakers descend on the small Pennsylvania town to toast Phil and partake in the festivities.

The tradition has been running since at least 1887, despite an accuracy rate of below 40 per cent.
346. Jax82
I dont think the Groundhog has been to the south at all this year, if he had he would not have predicted another 6 weeks of winter, because it has felt like spring all winter long!
It is pretty surprising, on this Blog, to hear an unscientific statement like, "... plants and animals know the climate is changing." In the example you cite, what has occurred is that windblown conifer seeds, which formerly would have sprouted and died at higher latitudes, are able to survive and grow there. In turn, they are able to disperse their own seeds farther to the North. It is not a matter of knowledge, but an adaptation to changing conditions.

There is enough unscientific thinking current, especially of the sort that attributes feeling or motive to natural phenomena, without finding it on Wunderground!!!
Python caviar?

After all, what is now eaten as salmon caviar useta be commercially sold only as fish bait.

USGS's assessment of the potential range of pythons, constrictors, and anacondas by 2100...

...though there is a strong dispute about whether they can over-winter in areas that experience occasional freezes.
Quoting AussieStorm:
It's Groundhog Day! Punxsutawney Phil predicts six more weeks of winter

THE world-famous weather-reading groundhog Punxsutawney Phil predicted six more weeks of winter today from his home at Gobbler's Knob, near Punxsutawney, Pennsylvania.

According to American folklore, if the rodent sees his shadow, then the country can expect six more weeks of winter. If he does not, then spring is on the way.

Every year on February 2, [yadda, yadda, yadda] thousands of merrymakers descend on the small Pennsylvania town to toast Phil and partake in the festivities.

The tradition has been running since at least 1887, despite an accuracy rate of below 40 per cent.


Yeah OK! While we hit 84 in Orlando today on 2/2/2012 and 80's everyday thru next week. Infact this may go down for the warmest winter in history across the US as hundreds of record highs are falling daily!
Quoting StormTracker2K:


Yeah OK! While we hit 84 in Orlando today on 2/2/2012 and 80's everyday thru next week. Infact this may go down for the warmest winter in history across the US as hundreds of record highs are falling daily!


Summer hasn't even got going here, It's sure been weird.
Here in FL we have PYTHONS moving north. There's a huge on on the lose near Melbourne. Some say it maybe 12' to 15' long. Infact the Everglades are invaded right now as the Pythons are destroying the wildlife species down there.
Quoting Jax82:
I dont think the Groundhog has been to the south at all this year, if he had he would not have predicted another 6 weeks of winter, because it has felt like spring all winter long!
I agree with that but Winter could make a late appearance? Mid 80's on my car thermometer yesterday and I got a sunburn working outside. What a difference a year makes, lows in 60s and highs in 80s this year, last year at this time, lows in teens and highs in 20s with snow and ice here. Been a very different La Nina season here so far but I am not complaining, getting quite a bit of rain. Wonder what kind of tropical season we will have? When will our next El Nino be here?
345. So basically, just 6 more weeks for FL of winter? With 83 degree high today, I can live with that. Will probably be 95 degrees by April though.
Sightings of medium-sized mammals are down by as much as 99 per cent in areas where the giant constricting snake native to Asia is known to slink, according to scientific research published this week.

The growing concern is that the deadly snakes, that can live for up to 35 years and were originally brought to the Sunshine State for commerical reasons, are now quite at homein the wild and are having a devastating effect on the survival chances of other animals living in America's largest eco-system.

Partial to rabbit, opossum, raccoon, bobcat, birds and even the odd alligator, the Burmese Pythons are believed to have multiplied at such a rate that it is now a question of management rather than elimination for South Florida snake hunters who are trying to protect the world's largest wetlands system from a food chain crisis.

The study, published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Scientists, says: "These findings suggest that predation by pythons has resulted in dramatic declines in mammals within Everglades National Park and that introduced apex predators, such as giant constrictors, can exert significant top-down pressure on prey populations.

"Severe declines in easily observed and/or common mammals, such as raccoons and bobcats, bode poorly for species of conservation concern, which often are more difficult to sample and occur at lower densities."

Quoting CybrTeddy:
345. So basically, just 6 more weeks for FL of winter? With 83 degree high today, I can live with that. Will probably be 95 degrees by April though.


Water temperatures in the Gulf of Mexico may reach 95 this summer lol.
Quoting StormTracker2K:
Here in FL we have PYTHONS moving north. There's a huge on on the lose near Melbourne. Some say it maybe 12' to 15' long. Infact the Everglades are invaded right now as the Pythons are destroying the wildlife species down there.
i can do without the coons and dont forget those scumbag rats. no shortage around here
358. Jax82
Quoting bohonkweatherman:
I agree with that but Winter could make a late appearance? Mid 80's on my car thermometer yesterday and I got a sunburn working outside. What a difference a year makes, lows in 60s and highs in 80s this year, last year at this time, lows in teens and highs in 20s with snow and ice here. Been a very different La Nina season here so far but I am not complaining, getting quite a bit of rain. Wonder what kind of tropical season we will have? When will our next El Nino be here?


Well, I think we can expect a lot of DOOM, considering they are predicting the world to end this year. I'm sure we'll see another active hurricane season :)
Morning all.
Quoting biff4ugo:
They are trucking water to folks in Texas too that have run out of their water sources. It is sad that it takes till NOW for them to think of not growing lawns with their drinking water.
To be fair, the residents of Spicewood Beach were not made aware of the low level of their wells until it was time to truck water in. And, in the months leading up to the wells running dry millions of gallons of water were sold

At least 1.3 million gallons and maybe more were sold from the Spicewood Beach water system to those two customers. The LCRA says tonight in an email to StateImpact Texas that in 2011, 1.3 million gallons alone were sold from the Spicewood Beach water system to Hank Cantu's operation, Hills of Texas Bulk Water. Another 3.5 million gallons were sold to Larry Ogden, who owns Wildcat Bulk Water Services. The LCRA says they think most of Ogden's water purchases were from the nearby West Travis County Water System and not from Spicewood Beach. However, they "don't have exact amounts for each system because this customer uses a portable meter on his truck," the LCRA said in the email.


It's a pretty epic fail.

Source Article
Quoting aspectre:
And here's the latest Tropical Weather Report


160 die as Eastern Europe sinks further into deep freeze
Posted on February 2, 2012
February 2, 2012 – POLAND - A cold snap kept Europe in its icy grip on Thursday, pushing the death toll to 160 as countries from Italy to Ukraine struggled to cope with temperatures that plunged to record lows in some places. Nine more people died in Poland overnight as temperatures hit minus 32 Celsius (minus 25.6 Fahrenheit) in the southwest, bringing the overall toll to 29 since the deep freeze began last week, national police said. In Ukraine, tens of thousands of people have headed to shelters trying to escape the freeze that the emergencies ministry said has now killed 63 people. Most of them literally froze to death on the street, with only a handful making it to hospital before succumbing to hypothermia, the ministry said. Shivering and hungry, tens of thousands of Ukrainians have sought help in the more than 2,000 temporary shelters set up by the authorities to help the poor survive the fearsome spell of cold weather. The shelters offer warmth and hot food in a country where temperatures fell to minus 33 degrees Celsius in the Carpathians in the west of the country and minus 27 in the capital Kiev. “I am unemployed. I have somewhere to live but nothing to eat. I ate here and it was good — bread with a slice of fat and an onion as well as porridge,” said Olexander Shemnikov, an out-of-work engineer after visiting a shelter in Kiev.


Frigid cold: In Romania, eight people died overnight because of the cold, bringing the overall toll to 22, the health ministry said. Schools remained closed in some parts of the country as temperatures reached minus 31 degrees Celsius. In Bulgaria, where the mercury dipped to lows not seen in a century, at least 10 people have died, according to media. Authorities have not released official figures. With parts of the Danube freezing, authorities moved some vessels to ports further away to protect them from the advancing ice. And in the capital Sofia, some residents found their money frozen as automated teller machines stopped functioning, according to local media. In Latvia, 10 people have died around the capital Riga alone, with no figures available for the rest of the country. In neighboring Lithuania a 55-year-old homeless man found in the ruins of an abandoned house in the port city of Klaipeda became the ninth victim of the chill. In Italy, hundreds of people were trapped overnight on trains as freezing temperatures and heavy snowfalls in the centre and north caused widespread chaos on roads, railways and at airports. The cold has so far killed an infant in Sicily and a 76-year-old pensioner in Parma during what forecasters say is the coldest weather in Italy in 27 years. In Austria, an 83-year-old woman was found frozen to death in the woods after apparently slipping on her daily walk and not managing to get up again, becoming the country’s second victim of the cold snap, officials said. In Serbia, the cold has killed seven people and trapped some 11,500 others, mostly in remote mountain villages inaccessible by road. -AFP
Morning All.

IS01WU (Interesting System 01 WUnderground) is being mentioned now in the MIA NWS discussion. Could be a wet several days for many in the peninsula. I am wondering if atmospheric triggers, other than the NINO3/4 region, have already lined up and pointing to a transition to El Nino. This hypothetical system bears the markings of such.

000
FXUS62 KMFL 021455
AFDMFL

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MIAMI FL
955 AM EST THU FEB 2 2012

EXTENDED PERIOD...SUNDAY THROUGH WEDNESDAY...ON SUNDAY THE GREAT
PLAINS LOW PRES SYSTEM MOVES E AND MOVES OFF OF THE CAROLINAS WITH
THE ASSOCIATED COLD FRONT MOVING INTO N FLA AND STALLING. THE ATLC
RIDGE REMAINS IN PLACE OVER CENTRAL FLA. MONDAY THROUGH WEDNESDAY
.LOW PRES DEVELOPS AND DEEPENS IN THE GULF PULLING DEEPER MOISTURE
TOWARD S FLA. ISENTROPIC LIFTS DEVELOPS AND THE PROSPECT OF
INCREASING CHANCES OF RAIN ACROSS THE AREA...NOT JUST THE E
COAST... APPEARS TO BE DEVELOPING.
Quoting ProgressivePulse:
Morning All.

IS01WU (Interesting System 01 WUnderground) is being mentioned now in the MIA NWS discussion. Could be a wet several days for many in the peninsula. I am wondering if atmospheric triggers, other than the NINO3/4 region, have already lined up and pointing to a transition to El Nino. This hypothetical system bears the markings of such.

000
FXUS62 KMFL 021455
AFDMFL

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MIAMI FL
955 AM EST THU FEB 2 2012

EXTENDED PERIOD...SUNDAY THROUGH WEDNESDAY...ON SUNDAY THE GREAT
PLAINS LOW PRES SYSTEM MOVES E AND MOVES OFF OF THE CAROLINAS WITH
THE ASSOCIATED COLD FRONT MOVING INTO N FLA AND STALLING. THE ATLC
RIDGE REMAINS IN PLACE OVER CENTRAL FLA. MONDAY THROUGH WEDNESDAY
.LOW PRES DEVELOPS AND DEEPENS IN THE GULF PULLING DEEPER MOISTURE
TOWARD S FLA. ISENTROPIC LIFTS DEVELOPS AND THE PROSPECT OF
INCREASING CHANCES OF RAIN ACROSS THE AREA...NOT JUST THE E
COAST... APPEARS TO BE DEVELOPING.
It is true that when El-Nino is around, Florida gets about three times its normal rainfall during the wintertime. I do believe that La-Nina is still in the weather pattern. Really good post PP.
Can somebody explain the logic to me in this...

So today, i had 6 school lessons. tomorrow, only 2. WHy couldnt it be balanced out at 4 today n tomorrow?


Maybe when dis system comes off Cape York peninsula it will develop into TC...hopefully :D
Australian Bureau of Meteorlology forecasts the low with med. chance to move off the coast in a general ESE to SE direction, maybe around 995-992mb in the next 4 days
New Russian paper on the coming Ice Age. View it on Weatherbell Joe D site. Interesting article more food for thought.
Quoting hydrus:
Chuck is not so bad.. In fact, he was a true world champion...On November 24, 1968, he avenged his defeat to Delgado and by doing so won the Professional Middleweight Karate champion title, which he held for six consecutive years.[8] In 1969, he won Karate's triple crown for the most tournament wins of the year, and the Fighter of the Year award by Black Belt Magazine. Chuck Norris retired with a karate record of 183–10–2.


Wait a second - there are actually 2 people in the world that were able to beat Chuck Norris?

Put THAT into your resume, and get hired on the spot.

It was Chuck Norris of the future and Chuck Norris of the past, he only admitted defeat because he always was so awesome and he will yet be so awesome.


Quoting hcubed:


Wait a second - there are actually 2 people in the world that were able to beat Chuck Norris?

Put THAT into your resume, and get hired on the spot.

Quoting hcubed:


Wait a second - there are actually 2 people in the world that were able to beat Chuck Norris?

Put THAT into your resume, and get hired on the spot.



I just read in a recent newspaper that someone called Bruce Lee defeated him in the Roman Coliseum....

Where are my Alzheimers pills? ....

Although Global Warming is certainly happening, this plant hardiness map is not the best evidence of it. I am old enough to remember three generations of these maps. The first in the early 70s looked more like the most recent version. The second issued in 1990 shifted the hardiness zones to the south, probably because of several extreme arctic outbreaks during the 1980s. The third, modern version
looks similar to the early 70s version but does have the hardiness
zones shifted a little to the north of the 70s version.

Growers who uses these maps also need to be aware of what the
occasional extreme arctic outbreak or an extreme winter can do
to high visibility high value plantings.