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MIssissippi tornado rated a violent EF-4

By: Dr. Jeff Masters, 2:30 PM GMT on April 27, 2010

The devastating tornado that ripped through Mississippi on Saturday April 24, killing ten, was a violent EF-4 twister with 170 mph winds when it hit Yazoo City, according to a preliminary damage survey by the National Weather Service in Jackson, Mississippi. The tornado touched down near Tallulah, Louisiana, crossed the Mississippi River into Mississippi, and traversed nearly the entire state of Mississippi, carving a 149-mile long path of destruction. It is extremely rare for a tornado to stay on the ground this long. The world record longest path by a tornado is the 219-mile long path of the deadliest tornado in U.S. history, the violent F-5 Tri-State Tornado of 1925, which killed 695 people in Missouri, Illinois, and Indiana.


Figure 1. A church in Yazoo City works to restore its toppled steeple after Saturday's tornado. Image credit: J.A.

Saturday's tornado was strong almost from its initial stage of development in northeast Louisiana. EF-2 and EF-3 damage was common all along the tornado's path into central Mississippi with areas of EF-4 damage observed in both Yazoo and Holmes counties. After crossing Interstate 55, the tornado weakened with EF-1 and occasional EF-2 damage being common as the tornado moved across Attala County. The tornado re-intensified as it moved into Choctaw County, with at least high end EF-3 damage occurring northwest of the Weir community. The tornado remained strong before rapidly weakening and then dissipating just after moving into Oktibbeha County. It was the first violent EF-4 tornado of 2010. Over the past decade, the U.S. has averaged five violent EF-4 or EF-5 tornadoes per year. Our severe weather expert, Dr. Rob Carver, has a more detailed analysis of Saturday's tornado.


Figure 2. One mile wide wedge tornado from near Yazoo City, Mississippi on April 24, 2010. Tornadovideos.net intercepted the tornado near Holly Bluff just east of the Mississippi River, and tracked the huge wedge to the damage path in Yazoo City, after which they assisted with the rescue effort until emergency personnel gained control of the situation.

Portlight assesses needs after the Mississippi tornado
Portlight.org volunteer Riki Chomsky (AKA "kitchengypsy") paid a visit to tornado-ravaged Yazoo City, Mississippi on Sunday to assess whether or not Portlight should mount a response effort. Her report:

At this time, Portlight has decided not to deploy an emergency feeding unit to Yazoo City. We base this decision on 3 factors:

1) Scope. Although the scenes of devastation are terrible, by our estimate, more than half the city is relatively unharmed. With several restaurants, gas stations and other services open for business in such close proximity to the command center, we have faith that continuity of operations will soon be established for the whole city.

2) Current efforts: All current relief teams, with special emphasis on the Red Cross and Salvation Army, are doing an excellent job of handling the situation. They have taken pains to ensure food distribution across the affected areas, and we have confidence that they are truly the best organizations for this type of situation.

3) Anticipated Need / Speed of Recovery: although the extent of the damage will most likely require outside work crews, we saw very encouraging signs of progress. Work crews were active at almost every damaged site, which is highly impressive for less than 24 hours after the storm. Even when volunteer crews are brought in, we anticipate their needs being more than adequately met by the existing local churches, who have already started feeding work crews and rescue personnel. In addition to the Red Cross and Salvation Army, Portlight extends our appreciation to all members of this exemplary community response. While the damage is significant, the Salvation Army and local Red Cross seem to be doing a great job meeting the needs there, and Portlight recommends supporting one of these organizations.

Portlight continues aid efforts in Haiti
Portlight continues to focus its energy and funds on the situation in Haiti, where the rainy season is fast approaching the needs for shelter, medical supplies, food and water remain urgent. Their latest effort is a shipment of 10 pallets of Durable Medical Equipment, 30 pallets of water, 7,000 pounds of rice, a number of tents, tarps and various building supplies totaling some 14,000 pounds of goods. The supplies were loaded onto the schooner Halie and Mathew. The schooner was slowed by bad weather on its way to Haiti, and was forced to dock in Jamaica to make repairs. The ship is expected to land in Haiti later this week to deliver its supplies. Please visit the Portlight.org web site or the Portlight blog to learn more and to donate to this worthy cause.


Figure 3. Relief supplies for Haiti earthquake victims being loaded onto the schooner Halie and Mathew.

Jeff Masters

Tornado

The views of the author are his/her own and do not necessarily represent the position of The Weather Company or its parent, IBM.

Reader Comments

Hey guys, I have a question. I'm pretty knowledgeable when it comes to tropical meteorology, but I'm afraid that, aside from the very basics, oceanography isn't my strong point. On the contrary, actually.

My question is, will the current oil spill have a pronounced effect, both in the short-term and the long-term, on Gulf of Mexico SSTs?
Quoting KoritheMan:
Hey guys, I have a question. I'm pretty knowledgeable when it comes to tropical meteorology, but I'm afraid that, aside from the very basics, oceanography isn't my strong point. On the contrary, actually.

My question is, will the current oil spill have a pronounced effect, both in the short-term and the long-term, on Gulf of Mexico SSTs?


I have tried to read up and do as much research as i could on this and i asked a Scientist friend of mine this and together we came to the conclusion that the oil spill area would actually retain more heat from the heating of the day as the slick would serve as a solar blanket affect. This was kinda my idea and he said it makes total sense as the heat would not be released during the cooling of the nite.
Quoting KoritheMan:
Hey guys, I have a question. I'm pretty knowledgeable when it comes to tropical meteorology, but I'm afraid that, aside from the very basics, oceanography isn't my strong point. On the contrary, actually.

My question is, will the current oil spill have a pronounced effect, both in the short-term and the long-term, on Gulf of Mexico SSTs?




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Quoting TampaSpin:


I have tried to read up and do as much research as i could on this and i asked a Scientist friend of mine this and together we came to the conclusion that the oil spill area would actually retain more heat from the heating of the day as the slick would serve as a solar blanket affect. This was kinda my idea and he said it makes total sense as the heat would not be released during the cooling of the nite.


Interesting. That was my assumption as well. Thanks.
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04/28/2010 M0.50 INCH LOGAN NE PUBLIC

THE PUBLIC REPORTED THAT MARBLE SIZE HAIL WAS CURRENTLY
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Quoting TampaSpin:

:I have tried to read up and do as much research as i could on this and i asked a Scientist friend of mine this and together we came to the conclusion that the oil spill area would actually retain more heat from the heating of the day as the slick would serve as a solar blanket affect. This was kinda my idea and he said it makes total sense as the heat would not be released during the cooling of the nite."

It really raises SSTs when it is ON FIRE! (Sorry everyone -- couldn't resist.)
Quoting TampaSpin:
Imagine if we had a Liberal Government for 4 more years close your eyes and imagaine...you might see a mask like on this blog....HEHEHEHEHE
I cant imagine that would be a nightmare!
Quoting TampaSpin:


I have tried to read up and do as much research as i could on this and i asked a Scientist friend of mine this and together we came to the conclusion that the oil spill area would actually retain more heat from the heating of the day as the slick would serve as a solar blanket affect. This was kinda my idea and he said it makes total sense as the heat would not be released during the cooling of the nite.

Greatly reduced evaporative cooling when the water isn't on the surface, too...

But the petroleum is a far better heat conductor than water, so would the oil not aid in the nighttime cooling, relative to just water?

Not convinced that there will be any real net effect, myself.
1012. Levi32
Quoting TampaSpin:


I have tried to read up and do as much research as i could on this and i asked a Scientist friend of mine this and together we came to the conclusion that the oil spill area would actually retain more heat from the heating of the day as the slick would serve as a solar blanket affect. This was kinda my idea and he said it makes total sense as the heat would not be released during the cooling of the nite.
Quoting atmoaggie:

Greatly reduced evaporative cooling when the water isn't on the surface, too...


If it really does have a warming effect, it shouldn't be too big of a problem unless the spill really expands a lot bigger than it currently is, without them being able to burn it off. With the winds over the next several days pushing it ashore, any effect on the SSTs should stay near the shelf waters, and the spill won't be allowed to expand deeper into the gulf.
Quoting atmoaggie:

Greatly reduced evaporative cooling when the water isn't on the surface, too...

But the petroleum is a far better heat conductor than water, so would the oil not aid in the nighttime cooling, relative to just water?

Not convinced that there will be any real net effect, myself.


Have you ever used a Solar Blanket on a Pool in the Winter on a very sunny day....amazing what happens....as it should nearly have the same affect...but, the area as Levi pointed out is so small to make much of an impact unless it expands.
I'm sure the BP safety director is really upset.

This was an OSHA recordable incident, an environmental reportable and a lost-time injury accident all in one.

Bang goes their safety record.... and BP has been doing really well since their last few Texas City refinery accidents, too.
Latest National Hurricane Center Tropical Weather Outlook

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FOR THE NORTH ATLANTIC...CARIBBEAN SEA AND THE GULF OF MEXICO...

TROPICAL CYCLONE FORMATION IS NOT EXPECTED DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS.

TODAY MARKS THE END OF THE 2009 ATLANTIC HURRICANE SEASON. ISSUANCE OF THIS PRODUCT WILL RESUME ON 1 JUNE 2010. SHOULD ANY SIGNIFICANT DISTURBANCES DEVELOP DURING THE OFF-SEASON...SPECIAL TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOKS WOULD BE ISSUED AS NEEDED UNDER THE SAME WMO
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LSU
Good evening. Finished my final exam tonight.
Yippee. Two and a half hours of essay and I forgot to include SARFIT (Structural Adaptation to Regain Fit)...Oh well. Nothing's perfect. So sad about the GOM spill. First lives lost. Next will be dead wildlife.
Ruined seashores. Habitats full of deadly crap. I want to swear. Say lots of bad words.
Tourette's syndrome.
This stuff really pees me o.
Gosh, I hate misery and suffering!
Goodnight.
1016. Levi32
Quoting atmoaggie:

Greatly reduced evaporative cooling when the water isn't on the surface, too...

But the petroleum is a far better heat conductor than water, so would the oil not aid in the nighttime cooling, relative to just water?

Not convinced that there will be any real net effect, myself.


I don't know the specifics about petroleum, but if you're right, my guess would be the overall effect, even if it's very small, would be warming. The reason being, that if the petroleum helps capture the same amount of heat that it is also capable of releasing at night, then there will be a surplus of heat left in the water when it's all said and done. This would be because the days are now shorter than the nights (the difference I think is pretty small down there for you guys though), and any cloudcover at all would limit radiative cooling at night, also creating a surplus of heat from the daytime.
Quoting TampaSpin:


Have you ever used a Solar Blanket on a Pool in the Winter on a very sunny day....amazing what happens....as it should nearly have the same affect...but, the area as Levi pointed out is so small to make much of an impact unless it expands.

Sure, but plastics are great heat insulators, the opposite.

The relative magnitude of evaporative cooling and the warming from inhibiting it by far trumps that of nighttime heat loss through radiation...I think.

Any body of a certain temperature does emit the same radiation, regardless of substance. What changes is the specific heat, surface area (think waves and spray), and latent heat properties. (and conduction...a tiny component, really, forgive my previous comment on the matter.)

I could be wrong and maybe not considering something, though...
Quoting Levi32:


If it really does have a warming effect, it shouldn't be too big of a problem unless the spill really expands a lot bigger than it currently is, without them being able to burn it off. With the winds over the next several days pushing it ashore, any effect on the SSTs should stay near the shelf waters, and the spill won't be allowed to expand deeper into the gulf.


Quite some time ago...the '70's...I remember reading an article about a scientist who suggested that there may be a way to interfer with the heat transfer in hurricanes by deploying some sort of "film" on the ocean ahead of a hurricane, possibly resulting in the reduction of strength...of course he admitted that the clean-up afterwords could be a problem...

v/r

Jon
Goodnight guys see you tomorrow
Quoting atmoaggie:

Sure, but plastics are great heat insulators, the opposite.

The relative magnitude of evaporative cooling and the warming from inhibiting it by far trumps that of nighttime heat loss through radiation...I think.

Any body of a certain temperature does emit the same radiation, regardless of substance. What changes is the specific heat, surface area (think waves and spray), and latent heat properties. (and conduction...a tiny component, really, forgive my previous comment on the matter.)

I could be wrong and maybe not considering something, though...


The shame is we have to be sitting here talking about something like this. Funny that details have not come out as to the cause of this.
1021. Levi32
Quoting Eagle101:


Quite some time ago...the '70's...I remember reading an article about a scientist who suggested that there may be a way to interfer with the heat transfer in hurricanes by deploying some sort of "film" on the ocean ahead of a hurricane, possibly resulting in the reduction of strength...of course he admitted that the clean-up afterwords could be a problem...

v/r

Jon


Yeah I've heard that.....I have doubts. For one thing, a hurricane turns the ocean into a raging, tumbling monster....any film on top would be quickly mixed with the upper ocean, exposing pretty much all seawater at the ocean surface.
Quoting TampaSpin:


The shame is we have to be sitting here talking about something like this. Funny that details have not come out as to the cause of this.


I have been wondering about that myself...I do remember reading that the government investigation has started...but I suspect it will be quite sometime before we hear something firm with respect to a cause...

v/r

Jon


Rough weather could be coming again....Possibly.
1025. Levi32
Quoting StormW:


Definitely some blues showing up....El Nino is very very close to complete collapse now.

Nite everyone .....i am tired and will see you all tomorrow...Good Nite my Friends.
1029. Levi32
Quoting StormW:


1998?


The rate of collapse looks to be quite similar.

The beginning of the La Nina by early June of 1998 was being framed by the El Nino signature, which was pretty cool.

June 2nd 1998:

1030. Patrap
here is a great site for learning a lot about storm chasing, it is what most Skywarn classes use: link
1032. JRRP
Quoting StormW:


1998?

Quoting Levi32:


The rate of collapse looks to be quite similar.

The beginning of the La Nina by early June of 1998 was being framed by the El Nino signature, which was pretty cool.

June 2nd 1998:


i love this!!

see you later
UHH-OOH! In a news article from Fox News...
That oil leak might be 210,000 gallons/day, not 42,000 gallons/day. NOAA estimates 5X higher than previously thought.

Time to try that ol' Bubble Net idea to contain the oil for skimming and retrieval?

"Wednesday, April 28, 2010

NEW ORLEANS — A new oil leak was discovered at the site in the Gulf of Mexico where a drilling rig exploded and sank, and experts now estimate that five times more has been spilling into the water a day than previously believed, the Coast Guard said late Wednesday.

However, an official from BP PLC, which leases the rig, said he did not believe the newly discovered leak has increased the amount of oil spilling into the water beyond earlier estimates. Coast Guard Rear Adm. Mary Landry disagreed with his statement at a news conference and said she was relying on a new estimate from the National Oceanic Atmospheric Administration.

She said NOAA experts now estimate that 5,000 barrels a day of oil are spilling into the gulf. Officials had estimated the leak for days at 1,000 barrels a day.

The news came hours after crews tried a test burn on the massive spill to try to slow it from reaching the U.S. shoreline."
1034. Motttt
Thats good Matt
Quoting Motttt:
Thats good Matt


Yeah I really like that site
1036. Motttt
Me Too .. You can learn a lot there
Quoting Motttt:
Me Too .. You can learn a lot there


definitely, anyway, im off to bed, have a good one!
1038. Motttt
Thanks Matt.. poker coming up next on tv
WW2 US Navy vessels were commonly equipped to spread bunker oil on the surface of the sea, typically at the bow of the vessel in order to calm the seas:

The spillage of oil into the sea hasn't had a good press in recent years following the many ecological disasters caused by wrecked tankers discharging thousands of tons of crude oil into the world's oceans. In earlier times, the pouring of modest quantities of oil into the sea was done deliberately in order to forestall rough seas. This phrase alludes to the calming effect of that oil has on wave action as it spreads over the surface of the sea. Very small quantities of oil can cover a surprisingly large area as it spreads into a layer just a few molecules in thickness. The surface tension of the oil layer has an effect similar to that of a thin skin and is highly effective at calming 'troubled' water.
good morning bloomberg radio just reported the oil well is leaking 5 times as much as origionally thought. florida authorities say to tourist dont cancel your trips. you know what that means. go to california. "drill baby drill"
Morning all.



Looks like some tropical moisture is moving across Central America this a.m. Looking at the surface analysis from TAFB, I doubt this is from that shortwave / forecasted low pple were looking at earlier this week.



Edit: Sorry, forgot the analysis map.... lol
imagine some of the oil should eventually get into the gulf stream right now the patch of oil is the size of maryland. sounds like a national emergency
971 presslord "new estimate: 5000 barrels per day"

Thanks for the heads-up. Certainly closer to other US-affecting offshore blowouts: 8,000to10,000barrels per day averaged over 10days at Santa Barbara; and 11,000to12,000barrels per day averaged over 295days at Ixtoc I, Gulf of Mexico.

The ExxonValdiz wreck spilled ~11million gallons. At 5,000barrels/210,000gallons per day, the DeepwaterHorizon spill will reach that level by June11th.
In 2005, TropicalStorm Arlene began spinning up on June8th, and reached near-hurricane strength in the Gulf of Mexico on June10th.
1044. IKE
Oil rig leak may be 5 times bigger than first believed

A disaster looming.
They shouldn't even say "may" - Experts say it is Ike. A BP executive, the CEO says it isnt.
1046. MahFL
This is what the BP guy said about the new leak,
"Due to its location, we do not believe this changes the amount currently believed to be released," he said,

That simply does not make scense.
The whole "new" leak thing doesn't - i mean it blew up and sank - what did a crazed mullet punch another hole 7 days later.
1048. MahFL
from the BP guy...
"We're actually applying every resource available to us," he said.

That does not actually mean they have enough resources, I wonder if he actually understands that.
Quoting BahaHurican:
Morning all.



Looks like some tropical moisture is moving across Central America this a.m. Looking at the surface analysis from TAFB, I doubt this is from that shortwave / forecasted low pple were looking at earlier this week.



Edit: Sorry, forgot the analysis map.... lol
I am rignt under that thunderstorm and i really enjoy it . Rain season at last
the mess starts washing up today.
1051. P451
With regards to the oil spill. The Gulf Coast is in serious trouble now.


GOM 180 Hour Wind Forecast

GOM 180 Hour Wave Swell and Direction Forecast

1052. SQUAWK
Let's all go to our local BP station and fill 'er up!! NOT

Maybe we should start a grassroots boycott of BP gas until they get the leak stopped and the mess cleaned up. That might get their attention.
1053. tillou
Being from the New Orleans area and doing a little work in Plaquemines Parish, I can not understand why there is not more going on to prevent this stuff from washing ashore.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised, with all the post-Katrina stuff that had happened and keeps going on.

I just hope some loony coona$$ doesn't go out there with a match. I that that would be just as crazy.

(back to lurking mode til June)
1054. P451
A couple of AOIs for the day: 12HR IR Loops ending 7AM EST





26April2010
this "drill baby drill" idea needs to be re evaluated
1057. IKE
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Quoting belizeit:
I am rignt under that thunderstorm and i really enjoy it . Rain season at last
I sure hope it is moving east and brings us some. Other than the 2 days of rain 2 weeks ago we haven't had any.
If they're going to drill then they oughta be able to plug the well or they shouldn't be drilling. Period.
Zero Tolerance for this sort of mess.
This land is my land.
This land is your land.
From California to the New York Highlands...
From the redwood forests to the gulf stream waters, this land was made for you and me,
the birds, fishes and wildlife.
Not BP.
1060. aquak9
re- post 1033

sums it ALL up. I don't believe a WORD of what BP says. Fox and CNN, well they have dollar bills floating around too. They don't really care about the gulf shores. Any reporter who tries to tell the TRUTH will be shut down.

Coast Guard and NOAA are mad as hell about this and I don't think any amount of money's gonna shut THEM up.
1061. IKE
Per MSNBC....Breaking News...BP says gulf oil leak may be as much as latest, higher estimate.

Really?
1062. aquak9
oil leak may be

linguistic spin doctors, covering their tails.
Good Morning. Some pretty intense t-storms around Central America & the Yucatan this am....But, too much sheer (30-80 knots) on the Atlantic side for any sustained system.....However, the E-Pac side is only running 5 knots of sheer this morning in that region.........Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.
1064. RTLSNK
It is very possible that when they sent that remote controlled underwater submersible down to close the Blow Off Valve that it slammed into the valve and broke it completely off the pipe. It is 5,000 feet down there. That might explain why seven days after the explosion it is now pumping 5 times more oil out than it was. Even though the valve didn't completely close the first time the way it was supposed to it may have partially closed. If it was broken off there is now nothing but a wide open pipe. If this did happen, we won't hear about it until someone leaks the information to the news. :(
Tropical moisture is really building across the Western Caribbean and Yucatan Penisula this morning. I don't think the models have a good handle on this because as this ridge builds off the SE US then this will allow for all of this tropical energy to move north. I see this all the time before we enter our rainy season as the models most years have a hard time deciding what to do with all of the tropical moisture that builds in the NW Caribbean.
Very disturbing, Rattlesnake. If they can't cap the well then what's next? Destroy the Gulf of Mexico with oil that spouts until the well runs dry?
hey guys I wouldn't be suprised if that tropical moisture forms a low somwhere between honduras and panama and could become a tropical system
Quoting wunderkidcayman:
hey guys I wouldn't be suprised if that tropical moisture forms a low somwhere between honduras and panama and could become a tropical system


I agree! I really looks as if something tropical may try to form over the next several days. Very unusual to see all this tropical moisture building in Late April early May. What it does mean though is an early start to our rainy season in Florida. Have you seen any rain of late?
1069. IKE
Is this from the fires burning?

1070. RTLSNK
Quoting Chicklit:
Very disturbing, Rattlesnake. If they can't cap the well then what's next? Destroy the Gulf of Mexico with oil that spouts until the well runs dry?


Sorry, don't have a clue, what little I know about this situation I've picked up from reading the info everyone has posted here and from what we read on the news. I spent 25 years as an Airborne Ranger in the Army. My speciality is jumping out of perfectly good planes and living off the land in the jungles, mountains, and forests of the world. We always planned for the worst case scenario before an operation, I don't understand why they used a remote unit rather than one of the deep water submersibles the Navy uses. Probably because the remote units were equiped with a wrench unit that could turn the valve handles.
Quoting IKE:
Is this from the fires burning?



I think so IKE. I just hope all of this Oil doesn't ruin our beautiful Florida Panhandle beaches.
Quoting stormwatcherCI:
I sure hope it is moving east and brings us some. Other than the 2 days of rain 2 weeks ago we haven't had any.

I 2nd that motion, we really need some good rain.
I am just so ticked off. Now there are 2 leaks, the spill is much bigger than they thought and I hate to say this but when is the Govt going to step in? Does the Govt even have a plan or just let these BP jerks try and figure it out?

This is going to ruin alot of ppl's lives who depend on the Gulf to pay their bills. A few months ago, we had a hard time getting fresh crab meat because of the late cold weather. We serve a ton of seafood at work and it's all from the Gulf. No one wants that over-seas import crap

1071:Jeff, I agree, same here for Biloxi, we, like you, depend on the tourisum for a big part of our economy

what a mess, ok off my soap box, gotta go to work...
1074. IKE
Buoy 64 NM south of Dauphin Island,AL...near the oil spill...

5-day plot - Wind Direction Wind Direction (WDIR): SE ( 130 deg true )
5-day plot - Wind Speed Wind Speed (WSPD): 9.7 kts
5-day plot - Wind Gust Wind Gust (GST): 11.7 kts
5-day plot - Wave Height Wave Height (WVHT): 0.7 ft
5-day plot - Average Period Average Period (APD): 4.0 sec
5-day plot - Atmospheric Pressure Atmospheric Pressure (PRES): 30.02 in
5-day plot - Pressure Tendency Pressure Tendency (PTDY): +0.01 in ( Rising )
5-day plot - Air Temperature Air Temperature (ATMP): 68.2 °F
5-day plot - Water Temperature Water Temperature (WTMP): 71.4 °F
5-day plot - Dew Point Dew Point (DEWP): 54.1 °F
Quoting gulfcoastdweller:
I am just so ticked off. Now there are 2 leaks, the spill is much bigger than they thought and I hate to say this but when is the Govt going to step in? Does the Govt even have a plan or just let these BP jerks try and figure it out?

This is going to ruin alot of ppl's lives who depend on the Gulf to pay their bills. A few months ago, we had a hard time getting fresh crab meat because of the late cold weather. We serve a ton of seafood at work and it's all from the Gulf. No one wants that over-seas import crap

1071:Jeff, I agree, same here for Biloxi, we, like you, depend on the tourisum for a big part of our economy

what a mess, ok off my soap box, gotta go to work...


I agree when is the government going to step in!! This is getting worse each day. I just hope this doesn't have a big economic impact as LA's fishing season which kicks off on May 1st.
1076. IKE
Quoting Jeff9641:


I agree when is the government going to step in!! This is getting worse each day. I just hope this doesn't have a big economic impact as LA's fishing season kicks off on May 1st.


With a strong southerly to southeasterly fetch for days...doesn't look good.
Is there any images or maps that anyone can post of the oil spill and where it is exactly?
can they see it from space yet? hmmmm satelite photos maybe? anything?
i dont expect development but a string of moisture flowing nne might form
never mind feeling pretty stupid as I just realized that is a map of it up above lol sort of thought I was looking at something over texas there. Guess working all night made my brain quit.
1081. MahFL
This is where it is. There was an earlier sat pic but thats out of date now.

Link
thanks mahfl dont know why I thought that was texas.... definatly thinking the brain quit working lol must be tired today. really liked being able to bring it up on screen bigger though makes the map easier to look at.
NEW BLOG
Quoting stormpetrol:

I 2nd that motion, we really need some good rain.
Yep. Boy, the heat is oppresive now. Even inside with the a/c on it is hard to cool off. Think we might really get a hard hit this year. God forbid.
1085. hydrus
Quoting tornadodude:
imagine if we had a tropical weather blog that stayed away from controversial topics?
Yes. Imagine all the edified conversation we could have....:)

Quoting tornadodude: