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March Madness: Trump Proposes 31% Cut to EPA and Big Cuts to Climate Change Programs

By: Jeff Masters 4:01 PM GMT on March 16, 2017

President Trump’s first proposed budget was released on Thursday, and recommends maddening cuts to programs and agencies responsible for ensuring the health of Americans and for understanding and combating climate change. Among larger U.S. agencies, the biggest cuts come to the EPA, which would see its $8.1 billion budget slashed by over 31%, and layoffs hitting about 3,200 of the agency’s 15,000 workers. This would be the biggest cut in EPA since the 35% reduction that the agency endured in 1981, the first year of the Reagan presidency. The EPA’s budget peaked in 2010, at $10.3 billion. The proposed EPA budget eliminates funding for the Clean Power Plan—America’s chief effort to reduce greenhouse gas emissions under the 2015 Paris Climate Agreement—and cuts international climate change programs, climate change research, and partnership programs, at a savings of over $100 million. Other cuts include:

$330 million to the Superfund toxic clean-up program (30% cut)
$129 million cut to enforcement efforts (24% cut)
$233 million cut to research and development (47% cut)
$300 million cut to Great Lakes Restoration Initiative (100% cut)
$73 million cut to Chesapeake Bay restoration (100% cut)
Energy Star energy efficiency program (100% cut)



Figure 1. The proposed cuts to the EPA do not reflect public sentiment; Americans support the EPA’s efforts to protect clean air, clean water, and the environment. A January 2017 poll by Reuters found that 39 percent of Americans would like to see the EPA "strengthened or expanded," 22 percent wanted it to "remain the same," and just 19 percent said they would like to see the agency "weakened or eliminated.” The rest said they "don't know." Image credit: John Mashey, desmogblog.com.

NASA climate science and education receive a major hit
NASA climate change and education programs have significant proposed cuts. Total elimination of the $115 million Office of Eduction was proposed, which includes camps and enrichment programs, internships and scholarships for young scientists, and support for women and underrepresented minorities in science, technology, engineering and math (STEM) fields. NASA’s Earth-science budget received a $102 million cut—5 percent of the program’s annual budget, including money for four satellites intended to study climate change:

PACE, intended to better understand how aerosol particles and clouds influence climate change
Orbiting Carbon ­Observatory (OCO-3)
Deep Space Climate Observatory, which will no longer use its Earth-facing cameras to monitor ozone, deforestation, and weather
CLARREO Pathfinder, which measures heat in Earth’s atmosphere

State Department cuts target Paris Climate Agreement promises
A significant commitment was made by the U.S. as part of the 2015 Paris Climate Accord: a $3 billion contribution to the Green Climate Fund, which assists developing countries in adaptation and mitigation practices to counter climate change. Obama already sent $1 billion of this promised amount, but Trump’s budget cuts the other $2 billion. Other nations may significantly scale back their commitments to cut greenhouse gas emission after seeing the U.S. renege on its Paris Climate Agreement promises.

Department of Energy sees clean energy cuts
Trump is proposing a 5.6 percent cut to the Department of Energy, including a sharp 17.9 percent cut to core energy and science programs intended to accelerate the transition to new clean energy technologies.

NOAA weather programs escape the ax
The proposed budget for NOAA does not have major cuts to weather programs, although grants and programs supporting coastal and marine management, research, and education—including Sea Grant, which helps coastal communities adapt to a climate change—are entirely eliminated. Here is what the proposed budget had to say about NOAA:

• Zeroes out over $250 million in targeted National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) grants and programs supporting coastal and marine management, research, and education including Sea Grant, which primarily benefit industry and state and local stakeholders. These programs are a lower priority than core functions maintained in the budget such as surveys, charting, and fisheries management.

• Maintains the development of NOAA’s current generation of polar orbiting and geostationary weather satellites, allowing the Joint Polar Satellite System and Geostationary Operational Environmental Satellite programs to remain on schedule in order to provide forecasters with critical weather data to help protect life and property.

• Achieves annual savings from NOAA’s Polar Follow On satellite program from the current program of record by better rejecting [sic.] the actual risk of a gap in polar satellite coverage, and provides additional opportunities to improve robustness of the low earth orbit satellite architecture by expanding the utilization of commercially provided data to improve weather models.

• Maintains National Weather Service forecasting capabilities by investing more than $1 billion while continuing to promote efficient and effective operations.

Links
Trump to drop climate change from environmental reviews, source says, March 14 Bloomberg article

The EPA Used to Tweet About the Environment. Now It Just Tweets About Scott Pruitt, March 14 article from Mother Jones, that says “The EPA hasn't mentioned climate change once since Trump became president.”

Group of 17 Republicans sign US House resolution to fight climate change, March 14 Reuters article

Trump’s war on EPA regulations will kill jobs and a lot of people: Clean air and water standards create jobs, spur innovation, and save lives (January 25 post by Joe Romm of ThinkProgress.)

A Lesson Trump and the E.P.A. Should Heed, March 7, 2017 editorial by Reagan’s head of the EPA, William D. Ruckelshaus.

Take action!
At at time when we should be dramatically increasing our funding and commitment to combating and researching climate change, President Trump’s proposed budget moves us sharply in the opposite direction. In May, the White House will provide more specific line-by-line detail on the proposed cuts, and then it will be up to Congress to decide the final numbers. If you’re not in the 19% of Americans who believe EPA should have their budget cut, I encourage you to contact your House Representative and Senators to let them know that you want to see EPA’s budget held the same or increased.

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Jeff Masters

Climate Change Politics

The views of the author are his/her own and do not necessarily represent the position of The Weather Company or its parent, IBM.

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Thank You Dr.: re-posting this article and written link from Science Mag today, and another related article just posted, for those who want to delve deeper:

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/03/trum ps-first-budget-analysis-and-reaction

President Donald Trump rolled out his first budget request to Congresstoday. It is for the 2018 fiscal year that begins on 1 October. It calls for deep cuts to some federal science agencies(read our initial coverage to get some of the numbers), and is likely to draw fierce opposition from the scientific community and many lawmakers in Congress.


http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/03/nih- doe-office-science-face-deep-cuts-trumps-first-bud get

President Donald Trump's first budget request to Congress, to be released at 7 a.m. Thursday, will call for cutting the 2018 budget of the National Institutes of Health (NIH) by $6 billion, or nearly 20%, according to sources familiar with the proposal. The Department of Energy's (DOE's) Office of Science would lose $900 million, or nearly 20% of its $5 billion budget. The proposal also calls for deep cuts to the research programs at the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), and a 5% cut to NASA's earth science budget. And it would eliminate DOE's roughly $300 million Advanced Research Projects Agency-Energy.
Hey.. Um... we have a 21 Trillion Deficit.. and we can't do anything about China and India air pollution and S American countries killing off the rain forests...and we are 1 of the top 10 countries quality air standards.... so until we can get them countries onboard to infecting our air and CO2.... there won't be any change.. unless you want us to go to war with them? Trump is about Clean Air and Water and to combat factories that release dangerous chemicals into our atmosphere..and he believes in climate change... not that we are doing more than 1%.. cause we are NOT.. it's China,India and other countries that we Can't Control!
Typical leftist solution. Just increase funding and everything will be better. Look at the education system. Most people will admit that it is broken and messed up but for years we have been pouring in more and more money. We should fix the corruption and the dysfunction not just keep pouring more and more money.
Quoting 2. scottsvb:

Hey.. Um... we have a 21 Trillion Deficit.. and we can't do anything about China and India air pollution and S American countries killing off the rain forests...and we are 1 of the top 10 countries quality air standards.... so until we can get them countries onboard to infecting our air and CO2.... there won't be any change.. unless you want us to go to war with them? Trump is about Clean Air and Water and to combat factories that release dangerous chemicals into our atmosphere..and he believes in climate change... not that we are doing more than 1%.. cause we are NOT.. it's China,India and other countries that we Can't Control!

Exactly. Couldn't be said any better.
On my Blog page (with my Florida IP address), I have three politicians listed; D-House Al Lawson; R-Senate Marco Rubio; and D-Senate Bill Nelson. I have had a few personal encounters with one of those three; they could care less about climate change or science and are only interested in self-perpetuating their own personal business and political career.....Just Sayin.
Quoting 3. hotroddan:

Typical leftist solution. Just increase funding and everything will be better. Look at the education system. Most people will admit that it is broken and messed up but for years we have been pouring in more and more money. We should fix the corruption and the dysfunction not just keep pouring more and more money.


A political system that allows unlimited contributions by corporations to politicians is fundamentally corrupt, and the big enemy of smart funding for government programs is that corruption. We have to get the corporate money out of campaign financing to see real reform, and the Citizens United Supreme Court ruling would be a good place to start.

Jeff Masters
Quoting 2. scottsvb:

Trump is about Clean Air and Water and to combat factories that release dangerous chemicals into our atmosphere

What is your basis for that statement?
Thanks for the Updates Dr. Masters....
Quoting 2. scottsvb:


I don't have time to do the research for you. You are wrong all the way! Your arguments are hackneyed and ignorant. China and India have some big alternative energy projects underway. If we let them beat us they will have an advantage over U.S.
Quoting 2. scottsvb:

Hey.. Um... we have a 21 Trillion Deficit.. and we can't do anything about China and India air pollution and S American countries killing off the rain forests...and we are 1 of the top 10 countries quality air standards.... so until we can get them countries onboard to infecting our air and CO2.... there won't be any change.. unless you want us to go to war with them? Trump is about Clean Air and Water and to combat factories that release dangerous chemicals into our atmosphere..and he believes in climate change... not that we are doing more than 1%.. cause we are NOT.. it's China,India and other countries that we Can't Control!


Stop with the excuses to do nothing. I'm sick of it.
1) "But-but-but the deficit..." We've had trillions to waste on invading countries, killing people and crashing the country but we've suddenly run out of money to save our own planet. Pathetic, dude.
2) Same old, tired, worn out "but China and India..."
Another excuse to do nothing. What do you think the Paris Agreement is for? What are we, chopped liver? The United States has had 100 years head start on the rest of the world in terms of CO2 emissions. China and India are aware of the problem and are taking steps right now to deal with it.
3) Trump has stated repeatedly that AGW is real, happening now, and likely to get worse. Is this what you're saying? Really?! What was the FIRST executive order Trump signed? Homework assignment for you, scottsvb. Trump is all about LYING. Nothing more, nothing less.

Here is generally where our taxes went in 2015; good reference point in terms of where the money is spread around; this is a far cry from a leftist plot: however, you can clearly see that our educational system and science agencies are at a great disadvantage and when even what appears to be modest cuts in these areas are proposed, this can have devastating impacts..............We are already feeling it in terms of education in this County.

Most of Budget Goes Toward Defense, Social Security, and Major Health Programs
Quoting 2. scottsvb:

Hey.. Um... we have a 21 Trillion Deficit.. and we can't do anything about China and India air pollution and S American countries killing off the rain forests...and we are 1 of the top 10 countries quality air standards.... so until we can get them countries onboard to infecting our air and CO2.... there won't be any change.. unless you want us to go to war with them? Trump is about Clean Air and Water and to combat factories that release dangerous chemicals into our atmosphere..and he believes in climate change... not that we are doing more than 1%.. cause we are NOT.. it's China,India and other countries that we Can't Control!

If you do the research, I think you will find that China is taking serious action on climate change, including embracing cap and trade. They are cleaning up their act, while we are moving in the opposite direction.

But regardless of that, you like to talk about America being great. I agree. We should aspire to greatness in this world crisis and be a leader and a role model. Pointing fingers at other countries, saying they need to clean their act up before we do, is simply childish.

As for the deficit, I agree we need to reduce it. A good first start is to not increase the military budget, which is already greater than the next 7 countries combined. If we are to stop being the world's police force, why do we need an even bigger military budget? So, if we're going to make cuts, let's make some cuts there, rather than to programs that directly assist people, research, and the environment.
Quoting 6. JeffMasters:



A political system that allows unlimited contributions by corporations to politicians is fundamentally corrupt, and the big enemy of smart funding for government programs is that corruption. We have to get the corporate money out of campaign financing to see real reform, and the Citizens United Supreme Court ruling would be a good place to start.

Jeff Masters


Over here we are working hard to stop astroturf endorsements in California's overwhelming political ad campaigns:
https://www.facebook.com/CAcleanmoney/
There are well over 7,000 federal "programs" funded by both US taxpayers and federal deficit spending. I guarantee you not all of those programs are necessary or effective. In 2008, during his campaign, Obama promised his administration would review every federal program and eliminate those that were obsolete or wasteful. He never followed through on that promise. I'm gratified to see that President Trump is keeping Obama's promise.
Quoting 14. frank727:



Trump and his gang are betraying you! Beware!
Quoting 16. ChiThom:



Like Obama and his gang was so righteous. The US has been in the toilet long before Trump came along.
2. scottsvb

Hey.. Um... we have a 21 Trillion Deficit..


Let me stop you right there.

The deficit is not 21 trillion dollars. The deficit (which means the shortfall in revenues for the budgeted expenditures) is less than $450 billion. That is Obama's last budget, after having been handed a $1.4 trillion deficit by the prior Republican administration, that of George W Bush, 8 years prior.


ETA: George W Bush, of course, was handed a $128 billion budget surplus by William J Clinton, 8 years prior to that.
collect 42,000 thousand dollars from every man woman and child and its payed or 500,000,000 people
Fact is this stuff is a drop in the bucket compared to spending on entitlement programs and defense. Together with interest on the deficit and public employee pension obligations, these constitute the vast majority of federal government spending. This is digging far too deep. In addition to the beneficial effects of what these agencies do, there is the reality that in many scientific fields these agencies provide one of the few sources of stable jobs. If the US wants to continue to be competitive in the physical sciences it should think twice before it does this.

Regarding the mention of Citizens v. United, I agree with the general sentiment that big money needs to be taken out of politics. However, a lot of folks wagging their fingers at it conveniently forget the fact that the largest contributors to the 2016 election cycle were actually labor unions. ALL of the big money needs to be taken out, not just one side or the other. This is especially true for public employee unions, which have an unholy alliance with many Democratic politicians, particularly at the state level.
From ThinkProgress:

EPA spokesperson claims there’s ‘ongoing scientific debate’ about the cause of climate change

Ninety-seven percent of climate scientists would beg to differ.

On March 9, Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Scott Pruitt went on CNBC and blatantly contradicted established climate science, falsely claiming that carbon dioxide emissions are not the “primary contributor” to global warming.

Now Pruitt isn’t the only EPA employee mischaracterizing mainstream climate science to major media outlets. On Wednesday, an EPA spokesperson defended his boss’ claim by telling Reuters that “there is ongoing scientific debate on climate change, its causes and its effect.”

[...]

[...] according to EPA spokesperson — and former Trump campaign operative — John Konkus, Pruitt didn’t violate the EPA’s scientific integrity policy, because he didn’t mischaracterize climate science at all.

“Administrator Pruitt’s comments are perfectly in keeping with the scientific integrity policy,” Konkus said in an email to Reuters. “There is an ongoing scientific debate on climate change, its causes and its effect. That debate should be encouraged as the Administrator has done, not discouraged as Sierra Club is attempting to do.”

This statement contradicts volumes of scientific evidence, which show that climate change is both real and primarily caused by human activity. Ninety-seven percent of actively publishing climate scientists agree that warming trends over the past century as “extremely likely due to human activities,” according to NASA. And that high level of consensus — at least 90 percent or higher — has been shown to exist by multiple studies.

The EPA itself also contradicts Konkus’ statement. In a section about climate change, the EPA website states that “most of the warming of the past half century has been caused by human emissions of greenhouse gases.” Another section on the website is titled “Humans are largely responsible for recent climate change.”

[...]

Click here to read full article.

Quoting 2. scottsvb:

Hey.. Um... we have a 21 Trillion Deficit.. and we can't do anything about China and India air pollution and S American countries killing off the rain forests...and we are 1 of the top 10 countries quality air standards.... so until we can get them countries onboard to infecting our air and CO2.... there won't be any change.. unless you want us to go to war with them? Trump is about Clean Air and Water and to combat factories that release dangerous chemicals into our atmosphere..and he believes in climate change... not that we are doing more than 1%.. cause we are NOT.. it's China,India and other countries that we Can't Control!


You are taking a one sided approach to all of this and I suspect that you are doing so to only deflect from your responsibilities in all of this.

"we have a 21 Trillion Deficit"
This has nothing to do with the conversation and it is extremely one sided when you omit to mention the costs that infrastructure and societal collapse will bring us due to a warming climate. Furthermore, you are pushing these costs off onto future generations by ignoring our responsibilities now.

"we can't do anything about China and India air pollution"
The Obama administration had entered into a climate agreement with China. China will be begin reducing its carbon footprint within a few years. This is something that China had never agreed to doing in the past. I will offer my opinion on this and state that China had likely reached the point that it had no choice but to do so. China's pollution has reached the point that it was causing severe health, safety and productivity concerns. India had recently announced that it too will begin to reduce its carbon footprint going forward and likely due to the same concerns that China is facing. Trump is undoing all of this. Trump's policies will enter the U.S. into the same problems that the U.S. faced before the Clean Air Act, The Clean Water Act and the EPA came into existence.

"S American countries killing off the rain forests:
While S. America has not fully faced this problem it has started to realize the problems associated with this. S. America will face the situation head on once it has fully recognized all of the issues that is bringing S. America. All you are doing here is pointing fingers at others in order to deflect from the reality that you, we, need to do our own part even when others have not yet fully committed to doing their part.

"we are 1 of the top 10 countries quality air standards"
And yet your antiquated ideologies on this is rapidly progressing towards making this an untrue statement. You also completely omit the fact that the U.S. and Europe are the largest contributors, by far, to the amount of anthropogenic levels of CO2 that is in the atmosphere now. Again, this is one sided. Again, you deflect.

"Trump is about Clean Air and Water and to combat factories that release dangerous chemicals into our atmosphere."
You are making talking points with this that are completely lacking any evidence to support the claim. I can say that I am a billionaire. Where is the evidence that would support such a claim? I certainly cannot find such evidence, but does it stop me from making the claim?
Right....... The problem's not the huge tax breaks for Big Oil and Big Business, huge giveaways through tax breaks for the most wealthy Americans, the hijacking of legislation that only favors the 1%, paying for endless war and increasing that by 600 billion, tax havens where the rich of the world hide their vast resources tax free, and on and on it goes. We should cut instead climate research and programs that keep our environment clean and safe. Because that's the real problem. This is pandering and legislation for their masters to make money on the backs of the average American at all cost. It's not stupid, it's evil and it's aimed squarely at the American people who they care nothing about.
President trump and his Administration want to go back to the days of "the Militarized Industrial Complex" where big corporations, profiting off of wars and arsenal, is far more important or viable than saving our planet or sustaining human life. Perhaps, if his New York or Floridian complexes or many golf courses were directly affected by the severity of Climate Change or weather, he then might have a change of tune. Until such time, we can only keep calling our congressional state reps and senators to protest against these horrific measures toward "We the People"....
The deficit isn't $21 trillion, and the U.S. national debt isn't $21 trillion, either: the debt clock says, today, $19.918 trillion. What's a trillion dollars, though, in a time when there is a president who isn't interested in facts, empiricism, or the views of other people? When his aim seems to be humiliate anyone who might contest the things he makes up? When his aim seems to be make the government as uninterested in and ignorant of the world as he is? Where a trash-talking bully and a coward can rule unopposed?
Quoting 14. frank727:

There are well over 7,000 federal "programs" funded by both US taxpayers and federal deficit spending. I guarantee you not all of those programs are necessary or effective. In 2008, during his campaign, Obama promised his administration would review every federal program and eliminate those that were obsolete or wasteful. He never followed through on that promise. I'm gratified to see that President Trump is keeping Obama's promise.


Will you name the federal programs that are unnecessary or ineffective, along with collaborating evidence to support your opinions? I do not say that there is not some truth to what you are saying. I am saying that you are just making a blanket statement that is more supported by your emotions than by any tangible evidence.
Sorry to appear a bit thick, but what exactly is it about climate change science that Mr Trump and Mr Pruitt do not understand, or can't understand, or indeed won't understand (refuse to, as a matter of deliberation)? As a natural/physical scientist, I have to deal with maths and models and theories and data and uncertainty and equifinality etc. etc. every week. I accept that the climate models are not perfect, far from it, but they are the very best we have, from some of the very best minds we have. Subject to the uncertainties, what's not to believe?
20. weatherdogg

Fact is this stuff is a drop in the bucket compared to spending on entitlement programs and defense. Together with interest on the deficit and public employee pension obligations, these constitute the vast majority of federal government spending.


Most of your "facts" are wrong.

The fact is that the largest entitlement programs -- Social Security and Medicare -- are self-funded by your payroll taxes.

Fact: there is no interest being paid on the deficit. The interest being paid is on the national debt, which is not "the deficit." The interest being paid is on US government bonds, mainly, which individuals, other countries, and corporate entities buy as investments in the most stable investment in the world, as of this writing. (The new president, however, threatens to default on those bonds, as he defaulted on his casinos and other businesses.)

Public pension obligations are a miniscule percent of the GDP, and are largely self-funded through investments and employee contributions. Most of the "obligations" come due decades from now as people retire along the way, while the funds are invested in the meantime.

You did get the part on defense spending correct, I give you credit for that.

Quoting 24. masshysteria:

President trump and his Administration want to go back to the days of "the Militarized Industrial Complex" where profiting off of wars and arsenal is far more important or viable than saving our planet or sustaining human life. Perhaps, if his New York or Floridian complexes or many golf courses were directly affected by severe Climate Change or weather, he then might have a change of tune. Until such time, we can only keep calling our congressional state reps and senators to protest against these horrific measures against "We the People"....
so if all the windows blow out of the trump tower by a big wind storm he may have a change of heart I see what can be done
I was thinking locust hail into fire water into blood maybe even a horde of frogs to bring boils would of been better I will try the wind storm and flooding of golf courses first see if that works but I don't know

j/k
This budget proposal is a true nightmare. My sympathies!
Trump's budget ripped from Bannon's nationalistic playbook
Politico, by Shane Goldmacher, Updated 03/16/17 07:58 AM EDT


Graphic: NYT
Quoting 29. KEEPEROFTHEGATE:

so if all the windows blow out of the trump tower by a big wind storm he may have a change of heart I see what can be done
I was thinking locust hail into fire water into blood maybe even a horde of frogs to bring boils would of been better I will try the wind storm and flooding of golf courses first see if that works but I don't know

j/k
Let me know when you cast your spell, I got some powerful goat bones and chicken feathers I can help swirl up a whole sky-full of demolition
Trump's war on science does nothing for the deficit, he takes the money from science cuts and spends it on defense and the stupid wall.
Quoting 6. JeffMasters:



A political system that allows unlimited contributions by corporations to politicians is fundamentally corrupt, and the big enemy of smart funding for government programs is that corruption. We have to get the corporate money out of campaign financing to see real reform, and the Citizens United Supreme Court ruling would be a good place to start.

Jeff Masters

Oh, so you noticed that, too? Good. I thought it was just me (and Bernie, of course).

Seriously, Jeff, thanks for that comment. It's spot on. Corruption if not the major cause of our political problems in the US, is among the top three.

It goes well with the discussion.
I heard that in the Midwest they send their lead to China to be smelted because the EPA banned it here, what's funny is that China has no regulations and it makes the pollution worse than it otherwise would of been, but at cost to America. I think this might be why money is getting yanked because of stupidity like this. Keep the EPA, but also keep the jobs here and the environment protected at the same time.
Quoting 3. hotroddan:

Typical leftist solution. Just increase funding and everything will be better. Look at the education system. Most people will admit that it is broken and messed up but for years we have been pouring in more and more money. We should fix the corruption and the dysfunction not just keep pouring more and more money.

Please don't even pretend to care about the education system when Trump and Congressional Republicans just pushed through the most unqualified woman ever to hold the position, someone who only got the position because of all the money she donated to the GOP in years prior.
No disputing that a large portion of the federal budget is spent on social security and medicare medicaid and when you consider our aging baby-boomer population, and so many poorer people that need medical care (medicaid), you can see why the current debate on this issue and health care is so critical.........You can view this as an "entitlement" issue and try to cut, cut, cut, but it has real and immediate impacts on the elderly and the poor.

As I have advocated, both on here and in other forums, when you have good education, training, and jobs for our current young people, they can then become productive members of society as well as paying into the tax base rather than being consumers of social services.............In keeping with this thought, and with weather and climate change issues, the best thing that the US could do to ensure some prosperity in the future (regardless of who is in office because this is a 10-20 plan), as well as taking a pro-active world leadership role, is to reinvest in beefing up our education, get the smartest American kids back into the sciences (as well as funding science), and to make it a national priority to shift to a green economy along with all of the jobs and technology that this would entail...................And infrastructure improvements would be nice for the current labor force and those who need jobs.

All the other points raised on here as to corporate greed and influence over US policy remain valid..........................
Quoting 26. Some1Has2BtheRookie:



Will you name the federal programs that are unnecessary or ineffective, along with collaborating evidence to support your opinions? I do not say that there is not some truth to what you. I am saying that you are just making a blanket statement that is more supported by your emotions than by any tangible evidence.


Many pork barrel programs here: http://akdart.com/pork3.html
Those who would sacrifice the 2% spent on sciences for the vast increase in military spending, tax cuts for the 1% and Big Oil, and never question where the trillions in the stock market run up have gone; have no interest in truth nor interest in the betterment of their fellow man and woman in America. They are blind stooges with non rooted beliefs who stand with the very corrupted elite who lie to us all. They now have unchecked power and are wasting no time in bringing about chaos. They have nefarious aims and if we don't act fast, they are going to bring the whole house down on us. Less than 70 days in, faster and faster now.
Quoting 32. nrtiwlnvragn:

Trump's war on science does nothing for the deficit, he takes the money from science cuts and spends it on defense and the stupid wall.

Putting it another way: Trump feels that we can never be "too safe" but we can be too smart and too educated. It makes sense in a sort of Larry, Curly, and Moe way.
double submit, sorry
I respect your discipline, and science in general.

I think Trump and crew are riding the sentiment that got them elected that most people, are really really really tired of the trumpeting of the doom and gloom of global warming, that only seems to justify larger government agencies and fewer personal freedoms.

I hear people hear talk about the 'huge tax breaks' that energy companies get. Can someone please educate me on how they are any different than other businesses that spend money to to make a product and get to write off the costs?

And the 800 pound gorilla that everyone ignores, is the stand of living everyone enjoys because how much cheaper fossil fuels that wind/solar/wave generated energy. I think very few people would buy electric vehicles, or install solar panels, except for the thousands of dollars handed out in tax credits. Who pays for that? What part of our national debt is that? I really believe we have no idea how our lives would change if you took away all the 'huge tax breaks that energy companies get' and further taxed energy companies to pay for the extrapolated 'impact to environment and health'. Flip that switch and see what kind of economic 'tipping point' we reach!

Move the profit centers and motivate free enterprise and changes can occur faster than any government can make them.

By the way, how we did we let China get to the point of making almost all of our CFL and LED bulbs and solar panels? How are Americans not producing this? Its messed up. And don't blame corporations, they are legally and criminally responsible to server share holders first because of the Sarbanes Oxley act. Blame the bankers, change the laws, and Corporations will respond.

I think we have a better chance with a pragmatist (Obama's words) business man than a Socialist.

Quoting 27. JCheevorLoophole42:

Sorry to appear a bit thick, but what exactly is it about climate change science that Mr Trump and Mr Pruitt do not understand, or can't understand, or indeed won't understand (refuse to, as a matter of deliberation)? As a natural/physical scientist, I have to deal with maths and models and theories and data and uncertainty and equifinality etc. etc. every week. I accept that the climate models are not perfect, far from it, but they are the very best we have, from some of the very best minds we have. Subject to the uncertainties, what's not to believe?
Quoting 38. frank727:



Many pork barrel programs here: http://akdart.com/pork3.html


It might help if you were to learn the difference between a federal program and pork barrel spending.
This will happen 100%

-_-
Thank you for the update, Doc.
In one word, "Despicable!"
Quoting 42. DFWdad:

I respect your discipline, and science in general.

I think Trump and crew are riding the sentiment that got them elected that most people, are really really really tired of the trumpeting of the doom and gloom of global warming, that only seems to justify larger government agencies and fewer personal freedoms.

I must respectfully ask on what planet did that happen? Obama talked a bit about AGW, did a small amount (though more than any previous President, not nearly enough). I'm unaware of any personal freedoms I lost due to Obama's AGW policies.

If you're truly worried about preserving personal freedoms and ending government waste, fraud, and abuse you'd be better served looking through the military/security/police portions of the budget. The Pentagon has lost pallets of money...Meals on Wheels, not so much.
AGW can (and probably will) destroy our nation. Terrorists will not.

Immigrants will help our Nation if history is any indication.

Our priorities are badly out of whack.
Quoting 44. Some1Has2BtheRookie:



It might help if you were to learn the difference between a federal program and pork barrel spending.


There you go again, Rook, confusing the issue with facts. :)
Quoting 6. JeffMasters:



A political system that allows unlimited contributions by corporations to politicians is fundamentally corrupt, and the big enemy of smart funding for government programs is that corruption. We have to get the corporate money out of campaign financing to see real reform, and the Citizens United Supreme Court ruling would be a good place to start.

Jeff Masters


People can start by asking these corporations to fund local/regional education programs in lieu of the impending cuts, seems like they have plenty of cash on hand to spend on elections.

Hillary (D) contributions

Trump (R) contributions

Quoting 45. frank727:



You know I'm tired of this nit picking political correct words. I know your game and all these programs and pork whatever you want to call it is taxpayers hard earned money. You are the problem not honest science.


The game that I am playing is called "Intellectual Integrity". Anyone can play this game. Sadly, many will opt out from doing so.
Quoting 49. Grothar:



There you go again, Rook, confusing the issue with facts. :)


I have tripped over facts so many times in my life that I decided to shove a few in front of others. ;)
From ThinkProgress:

Republican senator thinks EPA cuts will keep the agency from ‘brainwashing our kids’

Sen. Inhofe is glad the Environmental Protection Agency will be downsized 30 percent.



Sen. Jim Inhofe (R-OK) is probably best known for bringing a snowball to the Senate floor in a sad, failed attempt to demonstrate that climate change is a myth. (It’s not).

Now that President Trump has proposed cutting the budget for the Environmental Protection Agency — which oversees clean air and water programs — by over 30 percent, Inhofe is excited that the agency will stop “brainwashing” the nation’s children with its science.

“We’re going to take [out] all this stuff that comes out of the EPA that’s brainwashing our kids, that is propaganda, things that aren’t true,” Inhofe said during a CNN interview on Thursday.

Video: Inhofe on EPA Brainwashing

The EPA is not in the business of propagating false information. Its rules and regulations are guided by extensive, peer-reviewed scientific findings and come after years — sometimes even decades — of study.

But for as long it has been a matter of partisan politics, Inhofe has been questioning the EPA’s scientific integrity, going his own way on climate and environmental issues. What was once joke, though, is now deadly serious. People who agree with Inhofe’s erroneous analysis of what is happening on this planet are now running the show.

Click here to read more.
2015 27 Fortune 500 companies paid no taxes. They reported negative interest tax expenses in 2015 despite their pre-tax profits. Simply put they spent more interest on loans than received on investments. But their lies the rub, many of these companies turned huge profits. Some names on the list include, American Airlines, Hewlett Packard, Crown Castle, PG@E, Ventra, and Weyerhauser. AA recorded a 3.3 billion dollar profit margin in the fourth quarter of 2015 alone. And this is par for the course as the tax code has been rewritten through legislation right under our noses. And maybe 1% of Americans have any clue to what's in it. We've been had on so many fronts and have now given the country completely over to them. It's nothing short of crazy. We have put into power at every level the people who legislate against the American people. We have been well divided and manipulated based on false arguments and pretenses that keep most ignorantly blind.
The financial benefits of the EPA data Trump doesn't want you to know about
Making EPA data easily accessible to the private sector plays a significant role in many billion-dollar industries, from renewable energy to auto manufacturing
The Guardian, Matt Weiser, Wednesday 15 March 2017 12.00 GMT

California Wants to Hire EPA Staffers Who Are Sick of Trump
Go west, young environmental policy wonk!
MotherJones, Rebecca Leber, Mar. 16, 2017 2:10 PM


Source: toonsonline.net
Quoting 51. Some1Has2BtheRookie:



The game that I am playing is called "Intellectual Integrity". Anyone can play this game. Sadly, many will opt out from doing so.


You may think so in your inner circle of normalcy bias. The mess where in now is from individuals afraid of standing up for others rights, even if that means not being part of the group.
Quoting 32. nrtiwlnvragn:

Trump's war on science does nothing for the deficit, he takes the money from science cuts and spends it on defense and the stupid wall.
but its gonna be such a great wall a wonderful wall a wall of all walls

Quoting 56. frank727:



You may think so in your inner circle of normalcy bias. The mess where in now is from individuals afraid of standing up for others rights, even if that means not being part of the group.


I would suggest that you see the movie, "Hidden Figures" before you even begin to talk about standing up for the rights of others. That movie does not even begin to scratch the surface of people unwilling to stand up for the rights of others. I have seen no evidence that you would ever stand for anything, short of your biased opinions.



few more cold shots with a couple of warm ups takes us into April
some more march weather madness too come

This is what I don't get.

The people who scream loudest about jobs and the deficit and the loss of "personal freedoms" and "big government" are the ones voting for the Republican Party, whose fiscal policies cause recessions and unemployment, fewer jobs, the lowest possible wages, reducing pensions and eliminating job benefits. They want to throw out Social Security and Medicare along with the ACA and aim to do it in this Congressional session. This is the party "of small government" that inserts government control over every citizen's most intimate and personal decisions. They are all for "local government" except they regulate the books read in public schools. They are all for "religious freedom" except when that religion is not the Christian religion.

If you want to talk about "pork barrel spending" the biggest piggie of them all is the Department of Defense, which is getting a big budget increase this year. Whoopie!!!

Somebody 'splain this paradox to me.
Quoting 60. KEEPEROFTHEGATE:

some more march weather madness too come


Keep, can't you make that blob of moisture swoop further South and hang over Washington for a week or so? Or maybe stretch it out so it hangs over Washington and Mar-a-Lago at the same time?
Quoting 57. KEEPEROFTHEGATE:

but its gonna be such a great wall a wonderful wall a wall of all walls


A wailing wall to make Jerusalem jealous!
Quoting 6. JeffMasters:



A political system that allows unlimited contributions by corporations to politicians is fundamentally corrupt, and the big enemy of smart funding for government programs is that corruption. We have to get the corporate money out of campaign financing to see real reform, and the Citizens United Supreme Court ruling would be a good place to start.

Jeff Masters
Absolutely correct. The Citizens United ruling was without a doubt the worst thing to ever happen to American democracy. Allowing unlimited and practically untraceable political bribes contributions didn't just make the playing field uneven; for all intents and purposes, it yanked one end of that field into an almost vertical direction. The explosion of anti-democratic SuperPacs and the overnight appearance of hundreds of millions of dollars in legally laundered money since then gave corporations a hugely distorted voice that overwhelmed and all but silenced the voice of the average citizen.

If America's obituary is to be written in the next, say, four to eight years, I've no doubt that much of the blame will be rightly cast on the corrupt and increasingly unpopular guy spending some of his time at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. But the hugely destructive Citizens United ruling will correctly be looked upon by future historians as the true straw that broke the camel's back.

Worst.

Ruling.

Ever.
Trump Weighing Eni's Arctic Drilling Bid in Post-Obama Pivot
Bloomberg, by Jennifer A Dlouhy, 16. März 2017, 16:42 MEZ
The Interior Department is weighing Eni SpA’s request to explore for oil in waters north of Alaska, giving the Trump administration a chance to reverse course from former President Barack Obama’s attempt to curtail Arctic drilling.
Eni’s exploration well would be in an area it previously leased from the federal government, and so it isn’t covered by the executive order Obama issued in December to block the sale of new drilling rights within huge swaths of the Chukchi and Beaufort seas. As the Trump administration considers ways it could reverse Obama’s directive, approving this plan could encourage more oil companies to consider Arctic exploration. ...
Quoting 17. frank727:



Like Obama and his gang was so righteous. The US has been in the toilet long before Trump came along.

I think you are wrong about Obama. let's start wth Nixon shall we? And Reagan and Bush and Shrub. (Although I do like the fact that W supported the free press a few weeks ago. I'll upgrade him to Hedge.)
Quoting 66. Pipejazz:


I think you are wrong about Obama. let's start wth Nixon shall we? And Reagan and Bush and Shrub. (Although I do like the fact that W supported the free press a few weeks ago. I'll upgrade him to Hedge.)


It's all about division if they can keep us fighting amongst each other they will always win.
Quoting 63. CaneFreeCR:

A wailing wall to make Jerusalem jealous!
Quoting 57. KEEPEROFTHEGATE:

but its gonna be such a great wall a wonderful wall a wall of all walls



Actually, by gathering concrete matter higher up, sea level rise tend to slow down.
Since when did a free country mean being forced to accept what's good for you according to someone else? If that's the case, do what everyone else wants, not what you know is right. Getting out of bed in the morning is dangerous, why aren't there laws against that? What everyone is hot and bothered about is the unintended consequences of our previous actions without being simultaneously aware of our unintended consequences of our current actions. Hindsight is 20/20. Trust me, right this moment you are doing things that are going to be considered horrendously shortsighted by the next generation and so on. If you only knew now what they'll know then... but you don't. Maybe mankind is supposed to end themselves to make room for something really wonderful and worthy, maybe that fate is 'built in'
Quoting 43. Gearsts:



Beautiful. GOES 16?
Quoting 67. frank727:



It's all about division if they can keep us fighting amongst each other they will always win.


That's exactly right. Citizens United needs to be thrown out along with every single member of Congress. Big money makes it so citizens who should be in office legislating for citizens can never be. Until we all get on the same page we will continue to be divided perfectly through hot button division tactics that keep us blind to the real issues. Now get on board with the facts. All wealth has been concentrated, all legislation is for the wealthy and Big Business, 97% of climate scientists can't continued to be ignored by those who fight for the wealthy and not the people in spite of what we know to be sound science. Check the science, dig into it, look at the real time evidences all over the world. The two party system is a democracy killer and has ruined the ideals that made us great.
Quoting 72. stuartdiver:




One should always be careful of what they wish for. They may actually get it. ;)
If there is any positive news here it is that presidential budgets almost never become reality. Congress controls the purse strings, so it ultimately matters what they think and do. More promising news? This president's time impacting critical multi-generational enviro-issues will be a blip on the radar screen. The willfully ignorant trolls should ponder that when they're done their tribal chest pounding.
You might remember Trixie (90M), the tropical storm over the Mediterranean Sea that happened last October. I finally finished its 'Tropical Cyclone Report', which is available here (if the link doesn't work at first, push an enter): Link

Quoting 71. DeepSeaRising:



That's exactly right. Citizens United needs to be thrown out along with every single member of Congress. Big money makes it so citizens who should be in office legislating for citizens can never be. Until we all get on the same page we will continue to be divided perfectly through hot button division tactics that keep us blind to the real issues. Now get on board with the facts. All wealth has been concentrated, all legislation is for the wealthy and Big Business, 97% of climate scientists can't continued to be ignored by those who fight for the wealthy and not the people in spite of what we know to be sound science. Check the science, dig into it, look at the real time evidences all over the world. The two party system is a democracy killer and has ruined the ideals that made us great.


Well spoken words Deep have a great day
Those responsible for this ecocide ought to be arraigned by the US people. I know there is already a case being brought by children that the Trump admin has tried to stall/ block in the legal system. More resources need to be brought to bear on this corrupt administration. They are the swamp.
Quoting 2. scottsvb:

Hey.. Um... we have a 21 Trillion Deficit.. and we can't do anything about China and India air pollution and S American countries killing off the rain forests...and we are 1 of the top 10 countries quality air standards.... so until we can get them countries onboard to infecting our air and CO2.... there won't be any change.. unless you want us to go to war with them? Trump is about Clean Air and Water and to combat factories that release dangerous chemicals into our atmosphere..and he believes in climate change... not that we are doing more than 1%.. cause we are NOT.. it's China,India and other countries that we Can't Control!


See here #6 an mo'


Who the *&^% do we owe the money to?

The Decepticons?


From The Huffington Post:

Trump’s Budget Proposes To Eliminate Arts Agencies, As Many Feared

If Congress approves it, this budget would gut a national system of support for vital arts and culture programs.

[...]

“The elimination of the NEA and the NEH under the proposed federal budget would be a betrayal of the U.S. government’s long history of bipartisan support for innovation in the arts and for groundbreaking research, and could threaten the future of some of the most treasured national institutions,” PEN America’s Nossel stated Thursday in a press release urging continued action.

[...]

Click here to read full article.

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Budget for National Endowment Arts/Humanities: $148 million/year

Cost of security for Trump Tower: $183 million/year

I have to ask the obvious question...

If the US is not going to be "the policeman of the world", and it doesn't need as much of a military force, then why is Trump is trying to raid the domestic sector in order to shovel that money into the military?

Does he have plans that we don't know about? It's already obvious that he doesn't respect the Constitution.


82. bwi
If it's any consolation to climate scientists and clean air/water advocates, the science budget for the National Institutes of Health would also be cut under this proposal.

I think this is just today's shock-jock PR distraction more than a real plan, however, and I don't think Congress will go along with de-funding NIH to that extent. After all, we just enacted the CURES Act, which raises funding for medical research, with huge bipartisan majorities.

On the other hand, it does have a perverse sort of logic. Defund the people trying to get clean air and water, and defund the people researching cures for cancer caused by unclean air and water...

http://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2017/3/16/1 4947734/trump-2018-budget-cuts-science-chart

Happening right now, and of course .. in the meDetTerrenian
Sorry to get off topic..How's the hurricane forecast for next season looking..Any early outlooks yet..
Gee, entitlements? Like my VA benefits for life? I mean what if say, like 22 Veterans committed suicide a day,I wunder what would happen ?

O,snap...

wait.
Quoting 84. bayoubug:

Sorry to get off topic..How's the hurricane forecast for next season looking..Any early outlooks yet..



Be prepared May 1,2017

Hurricane-Preparation-2017

We so also gonna dies likes from everythings meso tinks so yes?



Quoting 72. stuartdiver:


Well, to be fair, he's not keeping his promises; in fact, he's gone back on his word in a number of areas. (How's that swamp-drainin' thing going for ya?). But the *fear* that he would do the things hs promised is no doubt the reason millions more Americans voted for the "loser" than voted for him.
Quoting 87. Xandra:



Where is the water going to go then?
Quoting 87. Xandra:




When you drain the swamp, you may find yourself up to your arse in alligators and snakes.
Quoting 80. annabatic:

I have to ask the obvious question...

If the US is not going to be "the policeman of the world", and it doesn't need as much of a military force, then why is Trump is trying to raid the domestic sector in order to shovel that money into the military?

Does he have plans that we don't know about? It's already obvious that he doesn't respect the Constitution.





that's my question as well.
Quoting 87. Xandra:






Dey Not no Louisiana Tree shakah's, Cher...

Come on down fo a Visit.

Bring the Cabinet for a swamp tour.





of course. remember, 10 million more people voted for somebody else. as dr. m points out above, gutting the EPA is wildly unpopular.

Quoting 72. stuartdiver:


Everyone have a safe weather weekend; heading out to visit with the elderly parents in South Florida for the weekend.

Keep It Real and See Yall Next Week.
Quoting 94. weathermanwannabe:

Everyone have a safe weather weekend; heading out to visit with the elderly parents in South Florida for the weekend.

Keep It Real and See Yall Next Week.

The sequence of words reminded me of "keep going" [don't remember who sang it and it has the word swamp in it]
Quoting 2. scottsvb:

..and he believes in climate change...


Are you sure about that ?

"Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
Ice storm rolls from Texas to Tennessee - I'm in Los Angeles and it's freezing. Global warming is a total, and very expensive, hoax!
10:13 AM - 6 Dec 2013
4,409 4,409 Retweets 3,127 3,127 likes"
100. MahFL
Quoting 3. hotroddan:

We should fix the corruption and the dysfunction not just keep pouring more and more money.


Increasing funding and reducing corruption are separate issues. The fact remains education wise the USA is way way behind many countries.
102. MahFL
Quoting 27. JCheevorLoophole42:

Subject to the uncertainties, what's not to believe?


They get money from businesses that pollute, so they will say there is no climate change. 13 out of 14 times Pruit sued the EPA ( which he is now the head of ), the motions were sponsored by the industries against EPA regulations.
103. MahFL
Quoting 32. nrtiwlnvragn:

Trump's war on science does nothing for the deficit, he takes the money from science cuts and spends it on defense and the stupid wall.


Fence ( it's not all going to be wall )....
I'm calling it like I see it...Dandy Don'


FAKE President.



Saw where Trumpo's White House Budget Director, Mick Mulvaney, spoke a little bit ago to let us know that the regime is cutting spending for climate change research and mitigation efforts because, and I quote: "we consider that to be a waste of your money."

Oh, my.

(This coming from the President who, along with his family, will have racked up about $50 million in Secret Service protection in just the first ten weeks due to their extravagant lifestyle. By contrast, the Obamas spent under $100 million in their entire eight years he was in office. Or put another way, Trumpco is on track to spend more than $2 billion if he were to--dear lord help us--stay in office as long as Obama did. Hard to take seriously a person who does that while mewling about saving taxpayer money. )
Quoting 98. NoleDawg:

Please stop your incessant whining about climate change, and instead fix your technically challenged website, which is increasingly plagued with bugs and data/forecasting inconsistencies.
And while you're at it, how about restoring what was once a robust, vibrant photo community. WunderPhotos, in fact, was about the only feature worth looking at on the rapidly deteriorating website.
You know, I always find it amusing when someone whines while accusing others of whining. Pot? Meet kettle... ;-)

This Trump chap is about at the wrong time to be doing these kinds of things and cuts.
It sort of suggests to me a scenario where somebody is standing looking west and saying, " the sun will not set or disappear because I can still see it and it does not seem to be moving to me."

The next scene in the B-movie is going to be in about 5 to 10 years time when the facts of climate change are so blatantly obvious that hardly anybody can dispute them. Maybe that's why the Trump chap is president now, its the last chance for somebody to preach this kind of thing and claim to get a following?

As Country Joe said, "Who am I to stand and wonder?"
Quoting 72. stuartdiver:



Well, that's because hardly anyone voted for him, you understand. Just a bit over 1/4th of eligible voters voted for him. Nearly as many people stayed home as voted for Trump. Heck, he lost (by a substantial margin) among those who *did* vote.

So, yeah. Keeping his promises is going to invoke criticism from a majority of Americans.

Math explains so much, doesn't it?
From Science:

A grim budget day for U.S. science: analysis and reaction to Trump's plan

By Science News Staff

President Donald Trump rolled out his first budget request to Congress today. It is for the 2018 fiscal year that begins on 1 October. It calls for deep cuts to some federal science agencies (read our initial coverage to get some of the numbers), and is likely to draw fierce opposition from the scientific community and many lawmakers in Congress.

ScienceInsider is providing analysis and reaction to the budget all day.

Come back to see our latest items (most recent at the top).

Trump's science vision, in a single graph

The budget released today is often scant on details, including how cuts to various science agencies will be distributed. But science budget expert Matt Hourihan of the R&D Budget and Policy Program at AAAS (publisher of ScienceInsider) made some informed estimates of how the cuts would play out (assuming Congress approves all of the cuts, which is a big "if"). The result is this graph, which shows how select science agencies would fare:



Click here to read more.

I won't spring for politico-pro to confirm, this is probably not a shock at this point....Ugh.


114. elioe
Quoting 110. Patrap:



ты понимаешь русский язык?
"WH budgets are just a sketch of intentions.  That said, this reveals intentions that are profoundly menacing to America, American leadership.

Trump's budget is not conservative or as budget director calls it 'a hard power budget'.  It's malevolent, a stated intent to do harm to US."

David Rothkopf [CEO and Editor, Foreign Policy]
from Twitter

Quoting 112. gr8lakebreeze:

I won't spring for politico-pro to confirm, this is probably not a shock at this point....Ugh.





Quoting 114. elioe:



ты понимаешь русский язык?


nekotoryye, child of Apollo/Soyuz
Я.также было в USMC 80 = 86, во время холодной войны и служения с Гротаром против НАТО, Тромсе, 1884, Весна

Quoting 106. Neapolitan
"You know, I always find it amusing when someone whines while accusing others of whining. Pot? Meet kettle... ;-)"
________________
You're too easily amused, then, because there's nothing at all funny about the steady decline of a once-viable weather source--not to mention the killing off of a fine group of photo-artists.
Dat should b 1984' in my years, Grothar, meh'..a second.


I dare not modify that text or it would explode the entry most likely.
122. elioe
Quoting 118. Patrap:



В моем домнем городе Суоненйоки, половина людей в июлей русские или украинские... лушче знать чут чут русский... :D

Oh yes... #118 would resemble aftermath of nuclear war if it was modified, like this... Haven't tried to edit a message in Disqus, but hopefully there modification of messages with special characters works fine.
124. xcool
i'm glad trump cut EPA yay
Quoting 124. xcool:

i'm glad trump cut EPA yay

Why? Do you prefer using fish as thermometers rather than dinner?
Вы, ребята став серьезно слабины. Я наслаждаюсь наблюдать американских левых потерять коллективного разума.
March for Science:
@ScienceMarchDC

Former Director of Office of Science and Technology Policy, John Holdren, just released this statement in response to new budget proposal.

"And your a Russian spy and your a Russian spy! We're all Russian spies!!!"
Rush does dat to sour souls.

Be Proud of your descent.

Own it. Wear it. Flaunt it.


It only took 97 years too.

I still say Nixon was totally innocent.
Quoting 132. Grothar:

I still say Nixon was totally innocent.


The same Dark Government that got Kennedy got Nixon too! and we still have them, Dwight David "Ike" Eisenhower warned about the Dark Government in his outgoing speech! were still living with them!
Quoting 132. Grothar:

I still say Nixon was totally innocent.


Quoting 124. xcool:

i'm glad trump cut EPA yay

Oh yes, our country shall become prosperous and beautiful without those pesky regulations protecting our waterways.
Oh so beautiful.
wxgeek723 at home alone keeping busy during spring break:

Quoting 135. MrTornadochase:


Oh yes, our country shall become prosperous and beautiful without those pesky regulations protecting our waterways.
Oh so beautiful.



Because Drumpf, he will care once a hurricane hits Mar-A-Lago. Then he will blame the previous administration for the hurricane.
We'll be sure to keep all the pollution on the U.S. side Canada...,it's gonna be great.




Trump budget eliminates Great Lakes cleanup funds

Quoting 127. PensacolaDoug:

Вы, ребята став серьезно слабины. Я наслаждаюсь наблюдать американских левых потерять коллективного разума.

Возможно, его не левые теряют свой интеллект, учитывая, что левые могут понять те, кто защищает науку. Ну, 97 процентов из них, чтобы быть точным.
Quoting 107. PlazaRed:

This Trump chap is about at the wrong time to be doing these kinds of things and cuts.
It sort of suggests to me a scenario where somebody is standing looking west and saying, " the sun will not set or disappear because I can still see it and it does not seem to be moving to me."

The next scene in the B-movie is going to be in about 5 to 10 years time when the facts of climate change are so blatantly obvious that hardly anybody can dispute them. Maybe that's why the Trump chap is president now, its the last chance for somebody to preach this kind of thing and claim to get a following?

As Country Joe said, "Who am I to stand and wonder?"

Give me an "F", Give me a "U", well you know where this is going...... Sup Plaza....
...."deconstructing the administrative state"

Sith Lord, Steve Bannon



Quoting 78. Patrap:



See here #6 an mo'


Who the *&^% do we owe the money to?

The Decepticons?





Maybe you should stop watching children's soap operas and learn how treasuries work.
Quoting 138. JoeBarnickel:

Because Drumpf, he will care once a hurricane hits Mar-A-Lago. Then he will blame the previous administration for the hurricane.
His lawyers are trying to get approval for an extended sea wall to protect his Scottish golf course from problems caused by - wait for it - climate change.
This place is rapidly becoming a PAC. Is it not right to have fiscal responsibility when we are 19 trillion in debt? I personally think that if you are passionate about a cause, put your money up, don't petition for more of mine. I really wonder why Dr. Masters has not started his own foundation with his money to champion his obvious AGW bias.
See here #6 an mo'


Who the *&^% do we owe the money to?

The Decepticons?


Not even a Shower Curtain is gonna help.
We're DOOOOMED !
Quoting 148. bygawdtexan:

This place is rapidly becoming a PAC. Is it not right to have fiscal responsibility when we are 19 trillion in debt? I personally think that if you are passionate about a cause, put your money up, don't petition for more of mine. I really wonder why Dr. Masters has not started his own foundation with his money to champion his obvious AGW bias.
The thing is, when the national debt is increased, no one has paid for it. Not you, not me, nor anyone else. Also, Dr. Masters is not exhibiting scientific bias. However, you are, by refusing to accept scientific research and its conclusions.
Quoting 148. bygawdtexan:

This place is rapidly becoming a PAC. Is it not right to have fiscal responsibility when we are 19 trillion in debt? I personally think that if you are passionate about a cause, put your money up, don't petition for more of mine. I really wonder why Dr. Masters has not started his own foundation with his money to champion his obvious AGW bias.

We can save many hundreds of billions simply by halving the massively bloated defense/security budgets and ending the war on drugs.

Single-payer healthcare or socialized medicine would save us a bundle, too.

Making believe physics is optional and cutting the science budget is irresponsible in more ways than just fiscally, though it is fiscally irresponsible as well.
Quoting 148. bygawdtexan:

This place is rapidly becoming a PAC. Is it not right to have fiscal responsibility when we are 19 trillion in debt? I personally think that if you are passionate about a cause, put your money up, don't petition for more of mine. I really wonder why Dr. Masters has not started his own foundation with his money to champion his obvious AGW bias.


Sometimes it helps to read about AGW before assuming that scientists such as Dr. Masters have an "AGW Bias" because they are stating the facts.
The Trump Administration doesn't care about AGW or Environmental Problems because it won't affect them. Sadly, it will affect the poorer people of the world much more.
Quoting 151. BaltimoreBrian:

The thing is, when the national debt is increased, no one has paid for it. Not you, not me, nor anyone else. Also, Dr. Masters is not exhibiting scientific bias. However, you are, by refusing to accept scientific research and its conclusions.


Are you kidding. Investors buy debt everyday and are paid interest according to how safe they feel your ability to pay your debt is. Easy example think the 5 year, the 10 year and the 30 year, among others.

Quoting 129. washingtonian115:

"And your a Russian spy and your a Russian spy! We're all Russian spies!!!"


How's the snow?

Quoting 156. nymore:

Are you kidding. Investors buy debt everyday and are paid interest according to how safe they feel your ability to pay your debt is. Easy example think the 5 year, the 10 year and the 30 year, among others.
When interest payments accrue to the national debt, you haven't paid them. It's very simple.
Quoting 158. BaltimoreBrian:

When interest payments accumulate the national debt, you haven't paid them. It's very simple.

It is basically a revolving line of credit. I do not care if you pay it off, all I care about is if you pay me what I am owed for financing your debt. If you do not pay me and default, the next time you want money it will cost you more. That sir can be a major problem
Here's what I sent to my Representative and Senators: feel free to use or adapt, but don't forget to let your legislators know what you think about and protest the proposed cuts

Trump's EPA Budget does not reflect the interests of the American people, who value clean air and water. Furthermore, deep cuts to the science that tracks climate change and analyzes the dynamics of climate is like taking all the monitors off a sick patient and stop sampling the blood to boot. If you don't keep track of these indicators of health/illness, how are you going to be able to tell if your efforts are effective, whether the patient is getting better or worse, etc? It is in the best interests of EVERYONE to INCREASE climate monitoring and support research that helps us better understand the dynamics of our climate, not lessen it. To do so is irresponsible and I will be carefully watching how my legislators respond to this threat.
To whom does the U.S. owe this $19 trillion debt? As of May 2016, a little over $5 trillion was owed... to itself. A further $7 trillion was owed to states, American municipalities, American pension funds and other American private investors.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/05/10/news/economy/us-d ebt-ownership/

At the time of this article (May 2016), Trump's proposal was to offer the debtholders $0.85 on the dollar, a not very well disguised attack on Social Security and Medicare.
Quoting 148. bygawdtexan:

This place is rapidly becoming a PAC. Is it not right to have fiscal responsibility when we are 19 trillion in debt? I personally think that if you are passionate about a cause, put your money up, don't petition for more of mine. I really wonder why Dr. Masters has not started his own foundation with his money to champion his obvious AGW bias.


What fiscal responsibility? He took 59 billion from needed programs, and is giving it to the military, most of that going to defense contractors, not restoring the trashed TriCare system, not giving soldiers raises, not building new barracks, nothing for the soldiers. Everything will be eaten by the MIC which will pass the money onto share holders. It's tax redistribution to the wealthy. Regulations are not killing the stock markets, greedy investors do a quicker job every decade, and it always seems like me and you end up taking the brunt, and the last time not only did people around me lose jobs, they paid to bail out the idiots that caused the mess in the first place.

The USDA had it's budget cut, back in the early 2000's. Ever since we have seen nothing but outbreak after outbreak, and recall after recall in our food supply. Flint Michigan was a warning. These programs have already has to endure cuts, more will just make things worse.
Quoting 148. bygawdtexan:

This place is rapidly becoming a PAC. Is it not right to have fiscal responsibility when we are 19 trillion in debt? I personally think that if you are passionate about a cause, put your money up, don't petition for more of mine. I really wonder why Dr. Masters has not started his own foundation with his money to champion his obvious AGW bias.


His plan does not reduce the debt. He plans to merely shift money from many smaller areas of spending to areas of the military. Since he is wanting to make cuts to the Coast Guard, then it cannot all be about national security, can it?
164. MahFL
Quoting 138. JoeBarnickel:

Because Drumpf, he will care once a hurricane hits Mar-A-Lago. Then he will blame the previous administration for the hurricane.


No, he'll do what he did last time and claim 15M damages when the damages were like 200,000. He got the check too, from an insurance company under investigation in the UK for dodgy payouts.
Quoting 148. bygawdtexan:

This place is rapidly becoming a PAC.


We really don't want to be. We'd much rather discuss science. However we have some pretty incredible morons trying to drive scientific progress (among other things) into the ditch. Do you honestly think that budget cuts to on area of an agency doesn't drastically impact others?

Quoting 148. bygawdtexan:
Is it not right to have fiscal responsibility when we are 19 trillion in debt?


FACEPALM

Before you hop on that high horse of fiscal responsibility, how about looking at the actual federal budget and what this joke of budget intends to do. Trump's budget is cutting from things he doesn't like (domestic programs, environment, climate, related sciences) and dumps it into the military.

Or to put it simply, trying to claim Trump's budget is "fiscally responsible" is like claiming your being fiscally responsible because your racking up your credit card on guns and ammo instead of food and clothes.

Quoting 148. bygawdtexan:
I personally think that if you are passionate about a cause, put your money up, don't petition for more of mine.


Right, because the fact that the upper 10% control almost all the wealth in this country means we have enough idle cash to make even a dent in a global problem like AGW on our own.

Quoting 148. bygawdtexan:
I really wonder why Dr. Masters has not started his own foundation with his money to champion his obvious AGW bias.


I wonder why you've never cracked open a science book. You don't have a "bias" if you support a well established and well supported century old theory. A bias would NOT supporting said theory because your willful ignorance doesn't allow it.
What these jokers don't seem to understand is that one of the biggest factors that made the USA great was our leadership in science and engineering. If we're willing to give that up then maybe we deserve a slide into mediocrity.
Who cuts Meals On Wheels and says it's compassionate to do so? And after school programs? Nothing short of hate. His whole platform is against every single average American Joe and Jane. How are we not by the tens of millions united against this?
Just remember this means some WWII vet who counts on help with food and looks forward to a visit from some compassionate person will now not be getting that help. What has become of us? How have we gone so far backwards that we gave the keys to America over to people who hate us?
Quoting 2. scottsvb:

Hey.. Um... we have a 21 Trillion Deficit.. and we can't do anything about China and India air pollution and S American countries killing off the rain forests...and we are 1 of the top 10 countries quality air standards.... so until we can get them countries onboard to infecting our air and CO2.... there won't be any change.. unless you want us to go to war with them? Trump is about Clean Air and Water and to combat factories that release dangerous chemicals into our atmosphere..and he believes in climate change... not that we are doing more than 1%.. cause we are NOT.. it's China,India and other countries that we Can't Control!

We have around a $20 trillion national debt, not deficit. That's about equal to our annual GDP but less than the national debt was after WW II as a percentage of GDP. When I bought my house in 1995 my debt was around four times my annual income but I was able to pay it off and now own it free and clear. The national debt is not something we should ignore but it's not nearly as big a problem as you would make it out to be.

The physicist and science fiction writer David Brin did an analysis of the national deficit spending. He took the second derivative* of deficit spending and found that it is nearly always positive (meaning deficit spending increases) during Republican administrations and negative during Democratic administrations. Do outcomes matter more than rhetoric?

*The second derivative is the rate of change in the rate of change in what you're looking at. In this instance what it means is that deficit spending tends to go up when Republicans are in charge but down when Democrats are in charge.
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Louisiana Wetlands Struggling With Sea-Level Rise 4 Times the Global Average
FloodList - March 15.

Without major efforts to rebuild Louisiana's wetlands, particularly in the westernmost part of the state, there is little chance that the coast will be able to withstand the accelerating rate of sea-level rise, a new Tulane University study concludes.

The study by researchers in Tulane's Department of Earth and Environmental Sciences and published in the open-access journal Nature Communications shows that the rate of sea-level rise in the region over the past six to 10 years amounts to half an inch per year on average.

"In the Mississippi Delta, about 65 percent of study sites are probably still keeping pace, but in the westernmost part of coastal Louisiana, more than 60 percent of sites are on track to drown," said Tulane geology professor Torbjorn E. Tornqvist, a co-author of the study.

(...)

"The bottom line is that in order to assess how dire the situation is in Louisiana, this new dataset is a huge step forward compared to anything we've done before," Tornqvist said.

Justin Lawrence of the National Science Foundation, which provided funding for the study, agreed.
"These researchers have developed a new method of evaluating whether coastal marshes in Louisiana will be submerged by rising sea levels," Lawrence said. "The findings suggest that a large portion of coastal marshes in Louisiana are vulnerable to present-day sea-level rise. This work may provide an early indication of what is to occur in coastal regions around the world later this century."
The planet Donald Trump doesn't want you to see

NASA has a little program with a big view of Earth, but President Donald Trump wants to shut it down.

If a new budget outline released by the Trump administration Thursday goes through, it will cancel funding for the instruments on the DSCOVR spacecraft that face our planet from 1 million miles away.

It's a relatively small budget cut — though it's unclear how much would be saved — in a proposal to trim billions of dollars from many agencies, but Trump's desire to cancel this one specific part of a mission speaks volumes.

NASA's Epic instrument on DSCOVR beams back a full view of the sunlit side of the Earth every day. The photos are made publicly available through a NASA-run website, and it's a great place for any journalist or member of the public to go for a daily view of our home planet. These images allow climate scientists to get a good look at what the atmosphere is doing on any given day.


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‘Billion tree tsunami’ surges across northern Pakistan

“it significantly contributes to the global efforts for sequestering carbon and mitigating climate change”, Khan said.
An estimated 500,000 “green jobs” have been created through the effort, some of which have gone to rural women and unemployed youth, he said.
The project has been recognised by the Bonn Challenge, a global partnership aiming to restore 150 million hectares of the world’s deforested and degraded lands by 2020.
The Khyber Pakhtunkhwa government – the only province to register under the Bonn Challenge, Pakistani officials said – has committed to restore 380,000 hectares of forests and has already achieved nearly 80 percent of that goal, Aslam said.
To protect its forests, Khan’s provincial government has also enforced a complete ban on the cutting and felling of trees in reserved forests.
The government says the activities of the powerful “timber mafia” have been curtailed through dismantling more than 600 illegal sawmills and arresting more than 300 timber cutters, as well as issuing heavy fines.
“Two of our forest guards have been killed in timber encounters while many have braved injuries,” Aslam said. “All of these steps have forced the timber mafia on to the back foot and delivered a clear political message of ‘zero tolerance’ to the illicit cutting of wood.”


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Quoting 132. Grothar:

I still say Nixon was totally innocent.

He started the 'War on Drugs' which since probably killed as many as Hitler, Stalin, Tsjang Kai Chek and Mao combined. What happened in Vietnam is small in comparison.
Quoting 61. epicat:

This is what I don't get.

The people who scream loudest about jobs and the deficit and the loss of "personal freedoms" and "big government" are the ones voting for the Republican Party, whose fiscal policies cause recessions and unemployment, fewer jobs, the lowest possible wages, reducing pensions and eliminating job benefits. They want to throw out Social Security and Medicare along with the ACA and aim to do it in this Congressional session. This is the party "of small government" that inserts government control over every citizen's most intimate and personal decisions. They are all for "local government" except they regulate the books read in public schools. They are all for "religious freedom" except when that religion is not the Christian religion.

If you want to talk about "pork barrel spending" the biggest piggie of them all is the Department of Defense, which is getting a big budget increase this year. Whoopie!!!

Somebody 'splain this paradox to me.

Interesting, isn't it.
If the economy fails: blame the Jews.
If banks fall over to taxpayers costs: blame the muslims.
Blame anyone who's defenseless and already hit harder.

You need primatology to understand this behaviour.
From The Independent:

US states consider laws allowing Creationism to be taught by science teachers

The bill would allow science teachers to present ideas “that may cause controversy” on issues such as evolution and global warming



Politicians in Texas are considering a bill that would give legal protection to teachers who present Creationism as a scientific theory.

It is one of eight US states where similar laws have been proposed since the start of the year. Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Indiana, Iowa, Oklahoma and South Dakota are the others.

The Texan bill would allow science teachers to present ideas “that may cause controversy” on issues such as evolution and global warming.

The proposals are the latest in a long-running debate over whether religious beliefs should be allowed in the classroom.

A 2014 Gallup poll found that 42 per cent of Americans believe humans were created by God 10,000 years ago. A further 31 per cent believe in evolution, but under God’s guidance.

Only 19 per cent believe God has nothing to do with evolution.

Click here to read more.

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Trump budget casualty: After-school programs for 1.6 million mostly poor kids

John King Jr, who was education secretary under President Barack Obama, calls the proposal 'an assault on the American Dream that would disproportionately harm the poor'

Every weekday, 700 children from some of the poorest parts of the Atlanta area stay after school for three hours with Wings for Kids, a program that aims to bolster not only academic performance, but also social skills, relationships with caring adults and a sense of belonging at school.

The children get a safe and enriching place to spend the afternoon and early evening, and their working parents get child care.

But now, Wings for Kids and thousands of programs like it are on the chopping block, threatened by President Trump’s proposal to eliminate $1.2 billion (£970 million) in grants for after-school and summer programs.

“It’s heart-wrenching,” said Bridget Laird, chief executive of the program which serves 1,600 children in Atlanta; Charlotte; Charleston and Lake City in South Carolina.

She said that without federal aid, those programs would be eliminated or gutted. “I can’t imagine if that were turned off — all of those kids running around the streets.”

The program Mr Trump is seeking to axe — known as the 21st Century Community Learning Centers — helps school districts, churches and nonprofit groups serve more than 1.6 million children nationwide.

Click here to read more.
Quoting 177. Xandra:

From The Independent:

US states consider laws allowing Creationism to be taught by science teachers

The bill would allow science teachers to present ideas %u201Cthat may cause controversy%u201D on issues such as evolution and global warming

Politicians in Texas are considering a bill that would give legal protection to teachers who present Creationism as a scientific theory.

It is one of eight US states where similar laws have been proposed since the start of the year. Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Indiana, Iowa, Oklahoma and South Dakota are the others.

The Texan bill would allow science teachers to present ideas %u201Cthat may cause controversy%u201D on issues such as evolution and global warming.

The proposals are the latest in a long-running debate over whether religious beliefs should be allowed in the classroom.

A 2014 Gallup poll found that 42 per cent of Americans believe humans were created by God 10,000 years ago. A further 31 per cent believe in evolution, but under God%u2019s guidance.

Only 19 per cent believe God has nothing to do with evolution.

Click here to read more.
And why not? We're already the laughingstock of the developed world; let's just go all in and wantonly destroy every last shred of scientific credibility we have left.

Wanting to indoctrinate school-age children with superstitious myths and fallacies that have no basis in science is absolutely no different than, say, the Taliban destroying ancient ruins because they depict a deity other than their own. It seems that the constant fear expressed by a large number of Americans about the possible imposition of Sharia law here isn't because they're fearful of living under the oppressive, ignorant, and backwards rule of a theocracy; it's because they're fearful of living under the rule of a theocracy that isn't the oppressive, ignorant, and backwards one *they* want.

The question for the pro-science, anti-ignorance people here: how quickly can we eject stupid people from positions of influence and policy-making, and replace them with intelligent, clear-thinking adults.
This place has become a leftist echo chamber full of half-truths, intolerance, activists and "fake news". I used to not mind the political crap that gets posted here and I freely admit I've been part of the problem. The result, however has been the loss of hundreds, perhaps thousands of posters, and a once vibrant online weather-community is now a shell of it's former self where politics is first and weather is secondary. I lament that result. I don't know if there is a solution at this point. While I don't share the leftist point of view, I do thank you folks for opening my eyes to how and what the left thinks and believes. It's been an education in and of itself. The divisions in this country run deep. Judging by what I see here, It will only get worse. May God have mercy on us all.
Good Morning. I am blogging from my Mother in Laws house in South Florida and had to make this comment before moving on to the weekend with the parents and family. I was utterly shocked last night with two "real" news items that I saw. Secretary of State Tillerson has gone on two trips abroad now and has failed to drop by the local embassy to meet and greet the US Embassy staff which is customary. And the bombshell from the WH Budget Office person trying to sell the current budget; when the reporter asked about climate change research, he stated from the podium that "we are not spending your tax dollars and funding that anymore". And couple that with open disdain for the Court system and Judges and for the Free Press which are actually written into the US Constitution as being cornerstones of our Democracy.

Someone on here mentioned issues with regard to leftist ideas; to tell you the truth, many of the things I am starting to see at the moment smell like a Communist dictatorship..........................See you next week
I liked this place when everyone would talk about weather related issues that really effected people, not wether related issues that affect people
Quoting 179. PensacolaDoug:

This place has become a leftist echo chamber full of half-truths, intolerance, activists and "fake news". I used to not mind the political crap that gets posted here and I freely admit I've been part of the problem. The result, however has been the loss of hundreds, perhaps thousands of posters, and a once vibrant online weather-community is now a shell of it's former self where politics is first and weather is secondary. I lament that result. I don't know if there is a solution at this point. While I don't share the leftist point of view, I do thank you folks for opening my eyes to how and what the left thinks and believes. It's been an education in and of itself. The divisions in this country run deep. Judging by what I see here, It will only get worse. May God have mercy on us all.



I totally agree. I almost never post here anymore as this place as you said has become a shell of what it used to be. So much going on in the World right now weather wise and all this blog focuses on anymore is politics. i don't know if anyone has been watching but the flooding in Peru is on a whole nother level. Very dire situation right now in Peru as the flooding is the worst that country has ever seen. A lot of this has to do with major warming ongoing across Nino 1&2. This could be a harbinger of a major El-Nino coming down the pike.

In an unrelated, but contemporary, event, Congress established the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) in 1970, at what may have been the dawn of the Watergate Era. According to the EPA website, the agency’s very first budget in Fiscal Year (FY) 1970 was just over $1 billion. In the ensuing years, the agency’s budget grew steadily until it exceeded $10 billion in FY 2010. That amounts to an average annual increase of about $225 million over 40 years. That growth in the EPA budget includes a very large increase from FY 2009 to FY 2010 of $2.65 billion, a one year increase of more than 10 times the annual average increase over 40 years, and about 35% over the FY 2009 budget.
Mark Takano:
@RepMarkTakano

Meals on Wheels feeds 500,000 veterans every year.

Where does taking food from hungry veterans fit into the "America First" doctrine?

Donald Trump plans to cut Meals on Wheels to pay for Mexican border wall
Quoting 184. Xandra:

Mark Takano:
@RepMarkTakano

Meals on Wheels feeds 500,000 veterans every year.

Where does taking food from hungry veterans fit into the "America First" doctrine?

Donald Trump plans to cut Meals on Wheels to pay for Mexican border wall

Trump = America.
Quoting 182. StormTrackerScott:



I totally agree. I almost never post here anymore as this place as you said has become a shell of what it used to be. So much going on in the World right now weather wise and all this blog focuses on anymore is politics. i don't know if anyone has been watching but the flooding in Peru is on a whole nother level. Very dire situation right now in Peru as the flooding is the worst that country has ever seen. A lot of this has to do with major warming ongoing across Nino 1&2. This could be a harbinger of a major El-Nino coming down the pike.



This is why weather/climate have become a political problem (apart from it being a problem of all earth's life). You cannot separate them. Electorates and politicians such as bought by the Corporate Coup are responsible for, e.g., the disaster in Lima.

If 'thousands' have left this place they hopefully they were the climate revisionists. The rest be banned.
government spending and regulation have got out of control over the last 20 years. its about time someone put a stop to it. we finally have a president who's doing what we voted for him to do. i think we are witnessing history in the making, pretty sure in the history books mr trump will be remembered as one of our best presidents. i worked very hard for my money and i don't want the government giving it away. when dealing with my tenants they don't have rent, but they are eating better than me thanks to our governments hand outs. I'm not talking about one its like half of them. or they get disability but sure look fine to me. every one wants free stuff these days, well the people who are paying for it are over it, and we've spoken with our votes.
Quoting 182. StormTrackerScott:

i don't know if anyone has been watching but the flooding in Peru is on a whole nother level. Very dire situation right now in Peru as the flooding is the worst that country has ever seen. A lot of this has to do with major warming ongoing across Nino 1&2. This could be a harbinger of a major El-Nino coming down the pike.
Yes, the Peruvian floods are something else. They could be Nino-related. Or they could be yet another sign of climate change-related chaos. You know: more frequent and more extreme weather events. Can't say we weren't warned--warned, that is, by the very scientists and agencies TrumpCo wants to silence.
Quoting 182. StormTrackerScott:

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Quoting 185. cRRKampen:


Trump = America.
Ah, c'mon; don't paint us all with that same brush. Millions more voted for his opponent than voted for him; millions have marched against him; many millions more will vote against him in 2020, and against his party in 2018. He's the most unpopular US president so early in his term, with dismal--and still sinking--approval ratings. And he's not been able to push through much of anything he'd like because a majority of us rightly see what he's doing as against the interests of both America and the American people. Bottom line: he absolutely does *not* represent the majority of Americans--so your equation is better expressed thusly:

Trump ≠ America.
Quoting 75. Zivipotty:

You might remember Trixie (90M), the tropical storm over the Mediterranean Sea that happened last October. I finally finished its 'Tropical Cyclone Report', which is available here (if the link doesn't work at first, push an enter): Link

Well done! Thank you. Greetings to Hungary!
Quoting 191. Neapolitan:

Ah, c'mon; don't paint us all with that same brush. Millions more voted for his opponent than voted for him; millions have marched against him; many millions more will vote against him in 2020, and against his party in 2018. He's the most unpopular US president so early in his term, with dismal--and still sinking--approval ratings. And he's not been able to push through much of anything he'd like because a majority of us rightly see what he's doing as against the interests of both America and the American people. Bottom line: he absolutely does *not* represent the majority of Americans--so your equation is better expressed thusly:

Trump ≠ America.

I smell facts here. We do not do facts, they are taboo.
Trump = America. That's what he believes and, therefore, so should you.

(and that's what I meant)
Quoting 191. Neapolitan:

Ah, c'mon; don't paint us all with that same brush. Millions more voted for his opponent than voted for him; millions have marched against him; many millions more will vote against him in 2020, and against his party in 2018. He's the most unpopular US president so early in his term, with dismal--and still sinking--approval ratings. And he's not been able to push through much of anything he'd like because a majority of us rightly see what he's doing as against the interests of both America and the American people. Bottom line: he absolutely does *not* represent the majority of Americans--so your equation is better expressed thusly:

Trump %u2260 America.


I think you are grossly underestimating middle America. The antics of the left awoke a sleeping giant in the 2016 election and President Trump was the result. If the far left continues with their current tactics, not only could Republicans grow in 2018, they could achieve a super majority 60 in the Senate. If the left reacts to that the way they are reacting now, President Trump not only could, but probably will get a second term. Couple all of this with one, two, or possibly even three conservative Supreme Court appointments and you've got yourself a conservative America for a generation or three. Maybe it's time to stop dismissing conservatives and start figuring out how to work with them just in case they are in charge for the foreseeable future.

17.03.2017, Brisbane Airport, Rotating cloud formation over Brisbane airport, a "Dust Devil" was later reported at the same location


News Report: Brisbane Airport tornado

More videos available, one even from inside this little tornado (report with video) ...
Quoting 195. NttyGrtty:



I think you are grossly underestimating middle America. The antics of the left awoke a sleeping giant in the 2016 election and President Trump was the result. If the far left continues with their current tactics, not only could Republicans grow in 2018, they could achieve a super majority 60 in the Senate. If the left reacts to that the way they are reacting now, President Trump not only could, but probably will get a second term. Couple all of this with one, two, or possibly even three conservative Supreme Court appointments and you've got yourself a conservative America for a generation or three. Maybe it's time to stop dismissing conservatives and start figuring out how to work with them just in case they are in charge for the foreseeable future.

Or else the (non-existent) left will arrive in camps.

I wonder who realizes already that this very blog could be outlawed pretty soon.
Floods and mudslides in Peru leave a dozen people dead
by Press Association, March 17 2017, 2.25am



Quoting 179. PensacolaDoug:

This place has become a leftist echo chamber full of half-truths, intolerance, activists and "fake news". I used to not mind the political crap that gets posted here and I freely admit I've been part of the problem. The result, however has been the loss of hundreds, perhaps thousands of posters, and a once vibrant online weather-community is now a shell of it's former self where politics is first and weather is secondary. I lament that result. I don't know if there is a solution at this point. While I don't share the leftist point of view, I do thank you folks for opening my eyes to how and what the left thinks and believes. It's been an education in and of itself. The divisions in this country run deep. Judging by what I see here, It will only get worse. May God have mercy on us all.



you criticize fake news, and then claim with no evidence, that hundreds if not thousands have left this site because they like you, are sick of leftist climate propaganda.

like president, like son.

politics has become first, because it is affecting the global populace in a way that has never been seen before. and because of that i agree with you and say, may god have mercy on us all.

can you not have at least a little empathy? and understand where all these crazy leftists are coming from? do you really think theyre posting all this climate stuff and worries about our environment to piss you off? you say this place has helped you understand the leftist point of you, but clearly you've learned NOTHING from it, and will be stuck in your current belief system until you die.

one of my favourite parts of being alive, is learning. gathering new information, and altering or altogether changing my belief system. whether it be something philosophical like religion, or something scientifically verifiable like how water vapour turns into cloud droplets. i feel sorry for you, that you seem to lack the ability to learn.
re 169. DeepSeaRising:

We gave over the keys to people who conned us. We gave over the news machine 25 years ago, and without relevant news, they've been conning us ever since.
Quoting 187. Tampa969mlb:

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abusers they use the system for free ride I see it too its the truth I have no problem with people needing help it happens but its to only be help and you are to get a job and look after yourself not live off it no follow up no investigations to make sure things really are what they say I call em scammers
Quoting 204. KEEPEROFTHEGATE:

abusers they use the system for free ride I see it too its the truth I have no problem with people needing help it happens but its to only be help and you are to get a job and look after yourself not live off it no follow up no investigations to make sure things really are what they say I call em scammers

Great. Show me the economy that provides everyone with a job. This done, we shall talk about what jobs, actually. The DDR had 100% employment, arrived at for instance by having half of the population spy on the other half. Et cetera.

This obsession with jobs (and economic growth) must end.
Quoting 180. weathermanwannabe:

Good Morning. I am blogging from my Mother in Laws house in South Florida and had to make this comment before moving on to the weekend with the parents and family. I was utterly shocked last night with two "real" news items that I saw. Secretary of State Tillerson has gone on two trips abroad now and has failed to drop by the local embassy to meet and greet the US Embassy staff which is customary. And the bombshell from the WH Budget Office person trying to sell the current budget; when the reporter asked about climate change research, he stated from the podium that "we are not spending your tax dollars and funding that anymore". And couple that with open disdain for the Court system and Judges and for the Free Press which are actually written into the US Constitution as being cornerstones of our Democracy.

Someone on here mentioned issues with regard to leftist ideas; to tell you the truth, many of the things I am starting to see at the moment smell like a Communist dictatorship..........................See you next week


A small point of clarification. Not communist. Fascists. Fascism combines business and state (and military eventually). This allows for the consolidation of all critical functions under the executive. An early example of this was Mussolini's Italy.

The current form is more appropriately called neo-fascism, which still carries a lot of the original ideology with a few modern twists thrown in.

Fortunately, it seems most Americans aren't buying it, including those who work in the White House judging by the river of leaks that continue to pour out of it.

More on topic, the backlash this budget is generating pretty much guarantees there's no way it will pass in it's current form. If it does eek through due to the psychopaths we have running the country, then I would imagine at least one group would be more than happy to take the government to court over gross negligence, public endangerment, etc.

What's that in mid Atlantic?
Thanks to all my American Taxpayers who contributed to my Monday surgery here for the VA at a Civilian Hospital.

Much appreciated.

Pfffth'


Quoting 195. NttyGrtty:



I think you are grossly underestimating middle America. The antics of the left awoke a sleeping giant in the 2016 election and President Trump was the result. If the far left continues with their current tactics, not only could Republicans grow in 2018, they could achieve a super majority 60 in the Senate. If the left reacts to that the way they are reacting now, President Trump not only could, but probably will get a second term. Couple all of this with one, two, or possibly even three conservative Supreme Court appointments and you've got yourself a conservative America for a generation or three. Maybe it's time to stop dismissing conservatives and start figuring out how to work with them just in case they are in charge for the foreseeable future.
Perhaps. But The United States consists of more than just the middle part. The fact is, Conservatives are in the minority here in the United States (that's why, for instance, millions more voted for Clinton than for Trump). And if it weren't for Russian influence in the election, along with FBI Director Comey's bizarre and baseless HRC email announcement, GOP-led voter suppression efforts, and hundreds of millions in untraceable corporate cash thanks to the travesty of the Citizens United decision, America simply wouldn't be in the terrible and terrifying predicament in which it now finds itself. The wild overreach from the unstable man baby with impulse control problems in the White House, coupled with the myopic complacency and incompetence of the do-nothing Congress, will practically ensure a quick left swing of the pendulum back towards reason, sanity, compassion, and patriotism for 2018 and beyond (unless, that is, anti-democratic efforts by the GOP are ratcheted up even further). America's only hope, really, is that its citizens will finally realize that their democracy has been stolen by those who simply don't have their best interests in mind, and do something about it. The press has been awakened, which can only help, and millions of citizens are being "woke". That's not going to let up any time soon.
Just what, if the budget would get half its National Interest cuts, would the Dept. of Defense be defending?

Surely not PBS.

I figure if the werds of Sith Lord Steve Bannon is the admin creed, and motto.."deconstructing the Administrative State", the pillaging of the US National Institutions that keep the stability of the world intact, is going to be deleted, as evidenced by the silencing of the State Dept.

When tyranny becomes the Norm, the American Veteran will not stand idly by.

We have generational skin and souls in the game.

Semper Fi'
212. NJTom
The EPA serves an important purpose, but like many other agencies it has become a bloated, draconian, self-perpetuating monster accountable to no one. Time to rein it in for a good haircut. As for the reduction in climate change programs, we keep hearing that the "science is settled". Wouldn't it make sense then to scale down science budgets, or at least divert them to better use?
One common way to measure federal spending is to compare it to the size of the overall U.S. economy. That at least puts the level into context, helping account for population growth, inflation and other factors that affect spending. Here’s what the White House’s own budget documents show about spending as a percentage of the U.S. economy (gross domestic product):

2008: 20.8 percent

2009: 25.2 percent

2010: 24.1 percent

2011: 24.1 percent

2012: 24.3 percent

2013: 23.3 percent
Although the EPA budget is small in comparison to the total annual federal budget,2 the way the agency spends our tax dollars has an impact on all of us, including the people who own and run businesses subject to the EPA’s regulatory programs and jurisdiction. Following the money in the EPA’s budget gives us the “big picture” on how the agency uses the money. The proposed budget for FY 2011, totaling approximately $8.7 billion, would represent a decrease of approximately $1.6 billion from the FY 2010 budget;3 nevertheless, it still exceeds the FY 2009 spending level by over $1 billion.

Although a detailed analysis of the EPA’s budget is beyond the scope of this article, its use of tax dollars can be viewed on a broader scale. The EPA budget covers five environmental areas to be addressed in 2012 with taxpayer money. A breakdown of the areas, with percentage of budget and approximate dollar amounts is:

By far, the greatest share of EPA spending is focused on EPA’s efforts to maintain and improve the quality of our nation’s waters, followed by environmental cleanups and air quality programs, including climate change. Enforcement of environmental laws places fourth on the list of budget expenditures, followed by chemical safety and pollutions prevention. This look at the EPA budget is the first in a series. In coming articles, we’ll look deeper at the EPA’s budget, and how their use of tax money impacts us. We’ll Follow the Money.
Ignorance is still free.

Quoting 210. Neapolitan:

Perhaps. But The United States consists of more than just the middle part. The fact is, Conservatives are in the minority here in the United States (that's why, for instance, millions more voted for Clinton than for Trump). And if it weren't for Russian influence in the election, along with FBI Director Comey's bizarre and baseless HRC email announcement, GOP-led voter suppression efforts, and hundreds of millions in untraceable corporate cash thanks to the travesty of the Citizens United decision, America simply wouldn't be in the terrible and terrifying predicament in which it now finds itself. The wild overreach from the unstable man baby with impulse control problems in the White House, coupled with the myopic complacency and incompetence of the do-nothing Congress, will practically ensure a quick left swing of the pendulum back towards reason, sanity, compassion, and patriotism for 2018 and beyond (unless, that is, anti-democratic efforts by the GOP are ratcheted up even further). America's only hope, really, is that its citizens will finally realize that their democracy has been stolen by those who simply don't have their best interests in mind, and do something about it. The press has been awakened, which can only help, and millions of citizens are being "woke". That's not going to let up any time soon.


I believe the right is counting on that not letting up any time soon. The left keeps quoting the popular vote. California and New York can go 100% democratic next time and, unless something else changes, the left still loses the election, only by slightly less than a land slide. All the name calling and self-centered hate is what got us here, yet the left's answer is more of the same expecting a drastically different result next time. The country will swing left again, it always does after a near sweep by the right (or vice-versa) but with one, two or possibly even three conservative judges appointed before that happens, the congressional and presidential swing may be negated somewhat. Until we can all figure out how to discuss issues in a sincere way without demonizing each other, it is and shall remain a coin toss on how much damage each side can do. Time for a round table...
This above is a FALSE narrative and the conservative right is under the notion and belief that the evangelical christian right is a pillar of societal norm. It isnt.

It is THE obstacle to logical thinking as, just tally up the Rights # of Abortion bills in the Congress and State Houses Nationwide and get back to us in reality land.

I can save you some time on dat, but alas, Im not in a comfortable setting nor upright currently.

Trump is a sick Man, a man divorced from reality. How a werking soul over 50 can reconcile that this is a Leader, is way beyond Logic in any sense.

Welp..I got good news and I have bad news

Good news the Budget wont pass because GOP knows this hits the red states the hardest who voted for Trump and they can't afford to lose their base

Bad news is Trump will try to start a war with North Korea to deflect from Russia to avoid impeachment

If Comey was truly led down a rabbit hole with Weiner/Clinton emails, we may just make it out of this alive

If not start stockpiling can goods as this country will go belly up

Happy Friday :)

Quoting 199. earthisanocean:



you criticize fake news, and then claim with no evidence, that hundreds if not thousands have left this site because they like you, are sick of leftist climate propaganda.

like president, like son.

politics has become first, because it is affecting the global populace in a way that has never been seen before. and because of that i agree with you and say, may god have mercy on us all.

can you not have at least a little empathy? and understand where all these crazy leftists are coming from? do you really think theyre posting all this climate stuff and worries about our environment to piss you off? you say this place has helped you understand the leftist point of you, but clearly you've learned NOTHING from it, and will be stuck in your current belief system until you die.

one of my favourite parts of being alive, is learning. gathering new information, and altering or altogether changing my belief system. whether it be something philosophical like religion, or something scientifically verifiable like how water vapour turns into cloud droplets. i feel sorry for you, that you seem to lack the ability to learn.
Quoting 199. earthisanocean:



you criticize fake news, and then claim with no evidence, that hundreds if not thousands have left this site because they like you, are sick of leftist climate propaganda.

like president, like son.

politics has become first, because it is affecting the global populace in a way that has never been seen before. and because of that i agree with you and say, may god have mercy on us all.

can you not have at least a little empathy? and understand where all these crazy leftists are coming from? do you really think theyre posting all this climate stuff and worries about our environment to piss you off? you say this place has helped you understand the leftist point of you, but clearly you've learned NOTHING from it, and will be stuck in your current belief system until you die.

one of my favourite parts of being alive, is learning. gathering new information, and altering or altogether changing my belief system. whether it be something philosophical like religion, or something scientifically verifiable like how water vapour turns into cloud droplets. i feel sorry for you, that you seem to lack the ability to learn.

Quote me accurately or not at all please.
Quoting 215. Patrap:

Ignorance is still free.



Projection is not.
Quoting 218. ncstorm:

Bad news is Trump will try to start a war with North Korea to deflect from Russia to avoid impeachment

If Comey was truly led down a rabbit hole with Weiner/Clinton emails, we may just make it out of this alive

If not start stockpiling can goods as this country will go belly up

Happy Friday :)



Bag of rice, 50 lbs, 30$. Great investment because it will last years and you can consume it anyways.
Quoting 215. Patrap:

Ignorance is still free.


Quit giving it away.
Quoting 218. ncstorm:

Welp..I got good news and I have bad news

Good news the Budget wont pass because GOP knows this hits the red states the hardest who voted for Trump and they can't afford to lose their base

Bad news is Trump will try to start a war with North Korea to deflect from Russia to avoid impeachment

If Comey was truly led down a rabbit hole with Weiner/Clinton emails, we may just make it out of this alive

If not start stockpiling can goods as this country will go belly up

Happy Friday :)



Forget North Korea. The war will be against Iran. Note the why: today's shi'ite dominance in the Middle-East (including Syria, Irak) and since the region has to be kept in perpetual war (this yields US jobs, is the belief) you can see it coming easily.

A war with North Korea will be blocked by South Korea - they do not fancy a missile rain and (I should hope) dying for another Empire of Chaos war out there.
Sometimes, like this morning I parallel my thoughts with my FB friends on the matters we discuss here.

This is from one of them watching here and there this morning. Used with permission.


Katherine Hamlin: The ONLY reason we are building our defenses is so we can go to war. More poor kids can die while the rich get richer over the sale of the war machine.

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(removed double post)
how so much can mean so little...its a wait and see how much damage will be done before its stopped. i swear he is an undiagnosed bi polar.
Quoting 223. cRRKampen:


Forget North Korea. The war will be against Iran. Note the why: today's shi'ite dominance in the Middle-East (including Syria, Irak) and since the region has to be kept in perpetual war (this yields US jobs, is the belief) you can see it coming easily.

A war with North Korea will be blocked by South Korea - they do not fancy a missile rain and (I should hope) dying for another Empire of Chaos was out there.


Forget N Korea?, you should read more about Tillerson's rant.

WORLDPOST 03/17/2017 05:30 am ET | Updated 4 hours ago
Rex Tillerson: When It Comes To North Korea, All Options Are On The Table

How will Pyongyang react to this new approach?




Dozen Die in New Round of Peru Flooding
Reliefweb.int - March 16.

LIMA, PERU -- A new round of unusually heavy rains has killed at least a dozen people in Peru and now threatens flooding in the capital.

The new floods and mudslides over the past three days follow a series of other storms and officials say that a total of 62 people have died and 12,000 homes have been destroyed so far this year.

Authorities said Thursday they expect the intense rains caused by the warming of surface waters in the eastern Pacific Ocean to continue another two weeks.

Schools nationwide are suspending classes and in the capital of Lima, the swelling Huaycoloro river swept away two trucks and threatens to destroy a bridge.

President Pedro Pablo Kuczynski said late Wednesday that authorities are prepared to provide shelter and relief to those left homeless.
Quoting 183. trunkmonkey:

In an unrelated, but contemporary, event, Congress established the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) in 1970, at what may have been the dawn of the Watergate Era. According to the EPA website, the agency’s very first budget in Fiscal Year (FY) 1970 was just over $1 billion. In the ensuing years, the agency’s budget grew steadily until it exceeded $10 billion in FY 2010. That amounts to an average annual increase of about $225 million over 40 years. That growth in the EPA budget includes a very large increase from FY 2009 to FY 2010 of $2.65 billion, a one year increase of more than 10 times the annual average increase over 40 years, and about 35% over the FY 2009 budget.


Actually, the EPA is the product of an executive order signed by President Richard Nixon on December 2, 1970. Congress funds the EPA, but Congress did not create the EPA. Congress did ratify the executive order through committee hearings in both the House and the Senate. Just a bit of non trivial trivia.
Quoting 215. Patrap:

Ignorance is still free.




I find it quite interesting that while ignorance is free it will always create costs for those that will cling to it. Funny how that stuff works.
Did California Figure Out How to Fix Global Warming?
How the Golden State went green.


…Today, California can claim first place in just about every renewable-energy category: It is home to the nation’s largest wind farm and the world’s largest solar thermal plant. It has the largest operating photovoltaic solar installation on Earth and more rooftop solar than any other state. (It helps to have a lot of roofs.) This new industry has been an economic boon as well. Solar companies now employ an estimated 64,000 people in the state, surpassing the number of people working for all the major utilities. California has attracted more venture capital investment for clean-energy technologies than the European Union and China combined. Even the state’s manufacturing base is experiencing a boost; one of California’s largest factories is Tesla Motors’ sprawling electric-vehicle assembly plant in the Bay Area.

All of these advances have undercut a fundamental tenet of economics: that more growth equals more emissions. Between 2003 and 2013 (the most recent data), the Golden State decreased its greenhouse gas emissions by 5.5 percent while increasing its gross domestic product by 17 percent — and it did so under the thumb of the nation’s most stringent energy regulations.


Link
Quoting 231. Some1Has2BtheRookie:



I find it quite interesting that while ignorance is free it will always create costs for those that will cling to it. Funny how that stuff works.

Quoting 227. Patrap:



Forget N Korea?, you should read more about Tillerson's rant.

WORLDPOST 03/17/2017 05:30 am ET | Updated 4 hours ago
Rex Tillerson: When It Comes To North Korea, All Options Are On The Table

How will Pyongyang react to this new approach?






Yes, rant. Tawk, you know. Are you not aware what this regime is? Or do you choose to be deflected if the deflection suits your theories?

(note - I responded to the content of that post. Author has both my sympathy and ears).
Everybody always acts as if money spent by the government is just "gone," like it goes down some black hole somewhere without a ripple.

"I don't want the government WASTING my 'hard earned tax dollars' on [choose one] bombs OR bums!"

Well, there's waste and there's waste, my friends. It's true that the multiplier or circulation effect of a bomb might be slower and longer than that of a bum (the bum will spend that money at a local store tomorrow, supporting local business, while the cost of the bomb needs to go through the employment manufacturing stage of spending, not to mention the fact that a bomb can get, y'know, blown up on foreign soil, materials lost forever and not even a storage job left to continue the cycle). But in most cases there are positive follow on effects of government spending. Stimulus, you might say. Everyone thought the Reagan boom was wonderful. It was built via massive DEFICIT SPENDING on the military. Huge jump in the national debt because of wild borrowing to finance big budget deficits each year. But, hey, the Eighties, man, the BOOM, everybody was rollin' in it, right? That was when the economy was going great...because of deficit spending.

Because the money being spent by the government in defense industries was going back into the economy. People were being given jobs and consumer demand grew. All that nonsense about "supply" driving the economy was indeed voodoo economics. The tax rate changes might have contributed to the consumer spending, but the real driver was the government's spending. I mean, a rich man can only own so many yachts. Poorer people having more, better paying middle class jobs because the government was keeping the tapS open on defense jobs everywhere, which then supported local communities, etc. People had money, they spent it.

Government spending per se, even a goodly amount of deficit spending, is not the problem. FOOLISH government spending on stuff that we don't really need (like more bombs), and not investing on important long-term things like education, health, environment and research, THAT is the problem.

all this ends soon can't wait really to be honest
Quoting 237. KEEPEROFTHEGATE:

all this ends soon can't wait really to be honest

Yes. Paradise 2.0 is around the corner.
Nuff said....
Quoting 216. NttyGrtty:



I believe the right is counting on that not letting up any time soon. The left keeps quoting the popular vote. California and New York can go 100% democratic next time and, unless something else changes, the left still loses the election, only by slightly less than a land slide. All the name calling and self-centered hate is what got us here, yet the left's answer is more of the same expecting a drastically different result next time. The country will swing left again, it always does after a near sweep by the right (or vice-versa) but with one, two or possibly even three conservative judges appointed before that happens, the congressional and presidential swing may be negated somewhat. Until we can all figure out how to discuss issues in a sincere way without demonizing each other, it is and shall remain a coin toss on how much damage each side can do. Time for a round table...


If one side uses facts and logic but the other refuses to acknowledge either and willfully chooses ignorance and ideology, then you can't have a meaningful discussion. Facts vs. "alternative facts".

The downfall of democracy is apathy and ignorance. Both have taken a firm grip in the US and Trump is the result.

In addition, you're assuming the country will still be here in a form that can swing back to the left. Remember "Lock Her Up!"? Do you see the demonization of the free press? The rise of the extreme right, not just here but worldwide? In an environment of social unrest things can change very fast.
Quoting 234. Some1Has2BtheRookie:



LOL!

Best

Joke

Ever!


Sorry, didn't mean to flag. Meant to plus. :(
Democrats Drive Rise in Concern About Global Warming

66% of Democrats now worry a great deal, up nine points from 2016
Independents are also more worried; Republicans are not
Gap between parties significantly wider than on other issues

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- A landmark year in 2016 for global warming politics has further deepened the already formidable divide between Republicans and Democrats on the issue. Two-thirds (66%) of Democrats say they worry about global warming a great deal, compared with 18% of Republicans.


Gallup Poll
Regardless what happens with the proposed budget, what Trump did in broad daylight was make a big air kiss to the military, and show disdain for the citizenry. That seems kind of alarming, no matter what political leanings a citizen has.
Quoting 241. Xyrus2000:



If one side uses facts and logic but the other refuses to acknowledge either and willfully chooses ignorance and ideology, then you can't have a meaningful discussion. Facts vs. "alternative facts".

The downfall of democracy is apathy and ignorance. Both have taken a firm grip in the US and Trump is the result.

In addition, you're assuming the country will still be here in a form that can swing back to the left. Remember "Lock Her Up!"? Do you see the demonization of the free press? The rise of the extreme right, not just here but worldwide? In an environment of social unrest things can change very fast.


Sometimes you have to negotiate, even when the negotiation is with an idiot. Logic should prevail, but does not always prevail . When both sides of a negotiation think the other side are idiots, both sides lose.
Quoting 241. Xyrus2000:



If one side uses facts and logic but the other refuses to acknowledge either and willfully chooses ignorance and ideology, then you can't have a meaningful discussion. Facts vs. "alternative facts".

The downfall of democracy is apathy and ignorance. Both have taken a firm grip in the US and Trump is the result.

In addition, you're assuming the country will still be here in a form that can swing back to the left. Remember "Lock Her Up!"? Do you see the demonization of the free press? The rise of the extreme right, not just here but worldwide? In an environment of social unrest things can change very fast.

That unrest, indeed a global phenomenon, may well continue to rise as climate detonation kicks in ever more. Much of it is already caused by it.
Quoting 239. cRRKampen:


Yes. Paradise 2.0 is around the corner.



Quoting 246. dentalque:
If you could point to such data I would be very interested in reading it.

You have already proven that you are not interested at all.
Quoting 248. KEEPEROFTHEGATE:






I always hated that song. But it did come back to (or at) me very recently.
JeffMasters has created a new entry.
That's fine, because it's part of the P3 infrastructure goal. The EPA and CC research is NOT losing funds, they will be restructuring funds just like NASA has done.

A P3 (PPP) is a Public-Private Partnership where private companies and investors can contribute and get a nice kickback when the contract is complete. By doing this, our government can cut federal funding and lower taxes while at the same time increasing private funding and grow infrastructures much faster. As the P3 helps to support a federal agency and our government's share profits increase, then our government can pour more federal funds into the agency. Any optional projects can still be funded by a P3 on the side while other major projects are still being concentrated on. NASA has been doing this for years now, and the EPA is going to grow with the same concept. In fact, the EPA will be using additional agreements known as CBP3 (Community-Based Public-Private Partnerships) for extra incentives and public exposure.

You see, what you might not be aware of yet is Trump wants to do the same thing the UN has been doing. He wants to make sure the USA runs like the Corporate Technocracy it actually already is. This is a GOOD thing, folks! Since our monetary-driven economy is failing, this is the only logical thing left to hammer before we go completely BUST. If you can't see this fact, then I'm sorry your bubble hasn't been popped yet so you can see it.