WunderBlog Archive » Category 6™

Category 6 has moved! See the latest from Dr. Jeff Masters and Bob Henson here.

Laura dying; tropics look quiet

By: Dr. Jeff Masters, 12:45 PM GMT on October 01, 2008

Well, it's October, and we're into the final month of peak hurricane season. Things look pretty quiet right now, and I don't see anything on the horizon meriting concern. Subtropical Storm Laura is almost dead, done in by cold North Atlantic waters. Visible satellite images show very little heavy thunderstorm activity, and Laura is currently transitioning into an extratropical storm. The remains of Laura will probably bring 45 mph winds to the coast of the British Isles on Sunday.


Figure 1. Latest satellite image of Laura.

Elsewhere in the tropics
A trough of low pressure extends from the Western Caribbean northeastwards over Cuba and the Bahamas. Thunderstorm activity is relatively weak and scattered along this trough. None of the models predict development in the Western Caribbean along this trough over the coming week. Development off the east coast of Florida, near the northwestern Bahamas, is possible late this week, but any such storm would move northeastward out to sea.

Hurricane Ike portlight.org charity relief efforts
I've agreed to act as an advisor for the Hurricane Ike portlight.org charity relief efforts spearheaded by Patrap, Presslord, and StormJunkie. I'll be participating in a conference call with them this afternoon, and will write up a summary of the effort that I plan to post tomorrow.

I'll post an Atlantic hurricane outlook for the month of October in Thursday's post.

Jeff Masters
Walking on water
Walking on water
Crystal Beach
Crystal Beach
Hurricane Ike left some homes standing

The views of the author are his/her own and do not necessarily represent the position of The Weather Company or its parent, IBM.

Reader Comments

Quoting Houstonian:
I dunno SJ.. i thought her certain death statement was over the top myself... and not specific enough for anyone. I think shes a lil off her rocker personally.
Yes the storm surge snuck up on the island and the penninsula but certain death?? To whom?? Those on the beach in a tent?? or those in a solid brick house w/ storm shutters 1/2 mile in land?? she never said....... Hindsight is always 20/20.... I was at my home/home in Houston when the storm made landfall BUT, i could of just easily been at my galveston house and been just fine too....


Actually Lyda Ann initially balked at the "certain death" comment; which was in fact made by the NHC. And please make no mistake about it, anyone that was on the Bolivar side of the storm did face almost certain death. Problem is there was no way to tell if it would be Bolivar or Galveston on that side of the storm until about the last 18 hours, and by then the Bolivar roads were already cut off.
I spent time reading comments by people in the Bolivar Peninsula area (and Galveston). One factor I found important was that many where aware of the incoming storm surge but that it arrived before they thought it would.

I find this plausible.

I am having trouble finding time-frame references; but, I believe that I read in one article that the water started rising on the Bolivar Peninsula on Thursday night.

Does anyone have real information about when the surge actually started impacting on Galveston and the Bolivar Peninsula?

Also, since I am not on the coast, I did not read the local NWS office warnings as to when the surge would arrive. Did anyone save that information--or at least recall it?

Thanks,

Quoting StormJunkie:
Orca, if you have time; I would love to hear how that went?


I will try and find it... it was in an email.
Its based on statistical/Supposition, which is where the theory has a lot of holes in it.
498. StormJunkie 10:38 PM EDT on October 01, 2008
Evening TS, good to see ya.

Hh, I do not think there is a huge cover up on the death toll. For one it is a hard thing to gauge when bodies could be spread from every cow field behind Bolivar to the GOM. (sorry that is so crude) It takes time to get an accurate count and it is likely somewhere from 350-700 at most. Not sure that the number matters so much anyway. The real question is why did these folks die. If they stayed because the were misinformed by the local media and local government; then that, imvho, is a much more serious issue then the count. The count is sad enough no matter what it is.


I agree with you 100%....honestly the hardest problem would be to identify the dead and notifying next of kin before releasing to the public......would anyone want it any other way......i sure would not not my parent, brother, or sisters name posted as dead before i was told first....everyone just needs to chill and let the people that have a tough job, do their job. This is not as simple as one might think as this is very sensitive..
folks i am sorry to continue to bring up this ike thing...but i am just pi3$#$%# off that the truth was down played in the beginning when the opportunity to teach what storm surge is and can do was missed. Lots of people died and who really knows they died in the wider public...And for what reaason. Perry & Bush did not want to see bodies in the water like Katrina..I voted for both twice and worked in both campaigns...so this is not i guy with an ax to grind typing away..
well said..SJ. I agree, with out the seawall in Galves Im afraid my lil house would of been washed away just like all those on Bolivar..

and that is the reason there are still 400 missing.. storm surge, storm surge, storm surge.
Quoting TampaSpin:
498. StormJunkie 10:38 PM EDT on October 01, 2008
Evening TS, good to see ya.

Hh, I do not think there is a huge cover up on the death toll. For one it is a hard thing to gauge when bodies could be spread from every cow field behind Bolivar to the GOM. (sorry that is so crude) It takes time to get an accurate count and it is likely somewhere from 350-700 at most. Not sure that the number matters so much anyway. The real question is why did these folks die. If they stayed because the were misinformed by the local media and local government; then that, imvho, is a much more serious issue then the count. The count is sad enough no matter what it is.


I agree with you 100%....honestly the hardest problem would be to identify the dead and notifying next of kin before releasing to the public......would anyone want it any other way......i sure would not not my parent, brother, or sisters name posted as dead before i was told first....everyone just needs to chill and let the people that have a tough job, do their job. This is not as simple as one might think as this is very sensitive..


WELL SAID ,,, I totally agree... and oh ya

lets burry the hatchet??
celia 1970 that is what storm surge does and that is my frustration.. In fact I am very seriously considering undertaking some type of project to educate the coastal public on the dangers of storm surge in a manner that drives home the point of what it really means when storm surge is forecast and what makes it vary in size in scope for example...Ike huge storm with cat 2 winds but cat 4-5 storm surge because of its scope and size and ability to drive and gather up water toward the shore..so profound frustration lies at the base of my thoughts.
One factor I found important was that many where aware of the incoming storm surge but that it arrived before they thought it would.

I have pointed this out many times Celia, and it is one area that I think the NHC may have even dropped the ball. To say we did not know it was coming early is insane. The backside of the storm was flooding the Fla Panhandle days before. It pushed Lake Ponch way up as well. I think the roads to Bolivar were cut around the 4am Friday morning time frame. Many likely thought they would be able to wake up and leave. Unfortunately this was not the case.
Hey everyone.. good evening to all...
505. Hhunter 10:43 PM EDT on October 01, 2008
folks i am sorry to continue to bring up this ike thing...but i am just pi3$#$%# off that the truth was down played in the beginning when the opportunity to teach what storm surge is and can do was missed. Lots of people died and who really knows they died in the wider public...And for what reaason. Perry & Bush did not want to see bodies in the water like Katrina..I voted for both twice and worked in both campaigns...so this is not i guy with an ax to grind typing away..


Again i do see your thinking. How was an opportunity missed when they was all told of the life and death of this approaching storm....how was it not made in planner then using the word death.....i posted that in every one of my updates on my blog and seen it several times on this blog and heard it many times on TV. What more is there to learn than what was already told to people that lost their lives for not listening to reality....
Indianriver, great to see ya!

Celia, you have mail.

Hh, Storm surge does not normally come in 18-24 hours prior to a storm making landfall. This storm was not the norm by any stretch of the imagination.
Evening DART, great to see you as well!

Thanks again for everything, and I certainly look forward to working with your team in the future.
507. Houstonian 10:47 PM EDT on October 01, 2008

were good my friend....:)
Quoting TampaSpin:
505. Hhunter 10:43 PM EDT on October 01, 2008
folks i am sorry to continue to bring up this ike thing...but i am just pi3$#$%# off that the truth was down played in the beginning when the opportunity to teach what storm surge is and can do was missed. Lots of people died and who really knows they died in the wider public...And for what reaason. Perry & Bush did not want to see bodies in the water like Katrina..I voted for both twice and worked in both campaigns...so this is not i guy with an ax to grind typing away..


Again i do see your thinking. How was an opportunity missed when they was all told of the life and death of this approaching storm....how was it not made in planner then using the word death.....i posted that in every one of my updates on my blog and seen it several times on this blog and heard it many times on TV. What more is there to learn than what was already told to people that lost their lives for not listening to reality....


tampa spin...i think the visual message on what storm surge actually does. The strength of water. I hate to say it but the general public is ignorant to the point of endangering their lives.
Quoting StormJunkie:
One factor I found important was that many where aware of the incoming storm surge but that it arrived before they thought it would.

I have pointed this out many times Celia, and it is one area that I think the NHC may have even dropped the ball. To say we did not know it was coming early is insane. The backside of the storm was flooding the Fla Panhandle days before. It pushed Lake Ponch way up as well. I think the roads to Bolivar were cut around the 4am Friday morning time frame. Many likely thought they would be able to wake up and leave. Unfortunately this was not the case.


Better to pull the trigger fast and early, than risk even a single life.
big storms with big surge do come in early...once again. lack of knowledge and it's pure physics...
Stormjunkie....son.....ya need to go to sleep....tomorrow's gonna be a big day.....
Ease up Dad hes excited....lol
he's never NOT excited.....
Quoting Hhunter:


tampa spin...i think the visual message on what storm surge actually does. The strength of water. I hate to say it but the general public is ignorant to the point of endangering their lives.


OH yes you are so correct...unfortnately ignorace killed alot of people and it will again....sometimes it just doesn't make any difference what people say.....to bad we don't have a law in place that if your in a mandatory evac area if your under 18 you will be removed with or without will and let the adults that are not making a wise choice not endanger children as was the case here.
TS, you still have to admit that many count on the local media and local officials to get their info. Again, this is where I see the large portion of the short coming in this event. I will lay slight blame on the NHC for not addressing how early the surge would come in; but to be quite honest, if the media and local officials had hammered it home a little more then maybe many would have gotten out early.

I can tell you no matter; it was a very bad even for all communities involved. One of the strangest and most chilling events of my trip out there other then watching the fire men see pictures for the first time was the night we went in. We drove down Hwy 73 from Bridge City to Winnie at night and the smell was absolutely unbearable. I thought I would be sick, and I typically have a very strong stomach. Then, for a 1/4 to 1 mile stretch of road we went through the strongest smell of disinfectant I have ever encountered. A very odd thing to smell in open air and near the coast.
524. beell
Good discussion SJ, Houstonian, others. Don't think you can mention needless deaths without giving a go at our interpretation and application of "mandatory evacuation". A misdemeanor arrest is allowed for violation under TX State Law. Bolivar may have been an area where a mandatory evac would have worked.

Course most communities would not have the manpower to do this. Would have to be the National Guard per the Governor.

Not too many folks will argue against seatbelt laws to protect us and others. Also a misdemeanor offense.
And this coming from grandpa (press) :~)
Quoting Hhunter:


tampa spin...i think the visual message on what storm surge actually does. The strength of water. I hate to say it but the general public is ignorant to the point of endangering their lives.

You can only do so much. At some point, after numerous warnings about the severity, it is up to the individual. If this wasn't the case then the whole "survival of the fittest would never apply". Fittest ins't just referring to physical strength but more importantly mental strength.
Quoting FLDART1:
Ease up Dad hes excited....lol


Yep, been biting my tongue on this conversation for some time now and going to have to hold my full presentation of facts for even longer. Still a big job ahead to provide as much help as we can in these areas!
Quoting presslord:
he's never NOT excited.....

Ok then... I guess well take him however we can get him.
You haven't held your tongue!!!!!!!!! It's all I've heard outta you for 2 1/2 weeks!!!!!!!!!!!
Quoting StormJunkie:
TS, you still have to admit that many count on the local media and local officials to get their info. Again, this is where I see the large portion of the short coming in this event. I will lay slight blame on the NHC for not addressing how early the surge would come in; but to be quite honest, if the media and local officials had hammered it home a little more then maybe many would have gotten out early.

I can tell you no matter; it was a very bad even for all communities involved. One of the strangest and most chilling events of my trip out there other then watching the fire men see pictures for the first time was the night we went in. We drove down Hwy 73 from Bridge City to Winnie at night and the smell was absolutely unbearable. I thought I would be sick, and I typically have a very strong stomach. Then, for a 1/4 to 1 mile stretch of road we went through the strongest smell of disinfectant I have ever encountered. A very odd thing to smell in open air and near the coast.


YOU are so correct....SJ. I admir alot what you and others have done for human dignity. I applaud you my friend as well as PressLord and PatRap...well done guys and others that have come to the aid to so many that need to most.
How do you change your picture on your blog?
Tampa.....Thanks!!!!!!!!! We're just gettin' started....and by "we", I mean this whole community.....
Quoting StormJunkie:


Yep, been biting my tongue on this conversation for some time now and going to have to hold my full presentation of facts for even longer. Still a big job ahead to provide as much help as we can in these areas!

SJ,
I owe you a call. Been hectic with work. Sorry for the delay. At least we haven't had any more Ike's to distract from your efforts. Thanks for what you all are doing.
Quoting presslord:
You haven't held your tongue!!!!!!!!! It's all I've heard outta you for 2 1/2 weeks!!!!!!!!!!!

Presslord he is right though...
Ahhh, not true press, only a 1/8th of what I have been saying. The rest of the time I been telling you to get me more free stuff and let's get it out there :~)

Night y'all grandpa is getting grumpy and I have to face him in the morning!
Looking forward to it Jupiter, and whenever you get the chance is fine.
keep up the good work storm junkie, press, patrap and all involved in delivery, gathering, and donating to this worthy cause...storm surge debates are good debates to have...
Nite SJ...
Quoting StormJunkie:
Ahhh, not true press, only a 1/8th of what I have been saying. The rest of the time I been telling you to get me more free stuff and let's get it out there :~)

Night y'all grandpa is getting grumpy and I have to face him in the morning!
.

Nite SJ ....get a great nite sleep ..you earned ever sheep you count........or bottle of scotch which ever you like......lol
That's a good boy....nite all....
Good video discussion on Storm Surge.
From: Science.gc.ca
Science and Technology for Canadians

WARNING, uses the GW word.
Some folks here are saying that the "certain death" pronouncement was too much, others say there wasn't enough warning.

I can pretty much tell you why the majority of those folks stayed on Bolivar. I've spent many years fishing and hanging out on Bolivar. There are many residents there who have lived there all their lives. Many have several generations that have done the same. These folks are the hardcore coasties that have been through many storms and always talk down the media hype. They have always come through the storms and come out the other side saying it wasn't as bad as the experts said it was going to be. So they stay no matter what.

Unfortunately Ike was a different kind of storm. I've heard many survivor stories that have virtually the same thoughts, "I didn't think the water would get that high." And had the storm veered further east like Rita they would have been right. But it didn't.
Nite Press...
Hi all! Whew, what a day!!!
Just to throw something out.....i would be safe to say that only 10% of the people that come to this blog actually post anything....the other 90% don't say anything but just observe and read......good example is i have had over 30,000 hits on my blog since 9-1-08 and i might get 10-15 posting an update.....i would say this is no different...so what we say on this blog can make a difference to many.....i actually had one of the local mets in tampa email me....so everyone that have things to ask or share should do so and we should always assist and not bash those that are trying and ask sometimes repetetive and sometimes dumb questions.
I will say.. I think alot of people in my neck of the woods prepared for an "Alicia". Instead of what they were being told to prepare for which was deadly storm surge. I was only 12 when Alicia rolled thru here but even now 25 years later, the differences were obvious and too numerous to list but AGAIN the most obvious being storm surge.
As far as CAT2's go, Ike had severe attitude problems. We sustaind at my home/home in Houston (aprox 90 miles from Galves) at 118mph When I saw my neighbors giant (85ft) pine tree tree go crashing into his house from my porch at 4:30 sat morning I literally went diving back into my front door. One could literally feel the atmosphere stop for a second and inhale....... then all of the sudden, a sustainded...... WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH!!..the eyewall had arrived and my porch time had come to an abrupt end!!...
I live right across the street from very active train tracks and if I hadn't known better, I would of sworn there was a train coming... that is exactly what is sounded like...for the next 3 1/2 hours..
and this was just his frontside..the winds on his backside was at least 10mph greater...

Alicia came thru during the day and my father and I sat in the garge and watched for hours as a perfect eye floated over head and the sun came out .. nothing of what I just spoke of on Ike took place that day during Alicia..

Point being, I no longer like our standard way of classifying these storms.. CAT2 was NOT an accurate way to describe Ike.. Im not sure what was but Cat2 just doesn't begin to get it done for him...
Quoting Houstonian:
I will say.. I think alot of people in my neck of the woods prepared for an "Alicia". Instead of what they were being told to prepare for which was deadly storm surge. I was only 12 when Alicia rolled thru here but even now 25 years later, the differences were obvious and too numerous to list but AGAIN the most obvious being storm surge.
As far as CAT2's go, Ike had severe attitude problems. We sustaind at my home/home in Houston (aprox 90 miles from Galves) at 118mph When I saw my neighbors giant (85ft) pine tree tree go crashing into his house from my porch at 4:30 sat morning I literally went diving back into my front door. One could literally feel the atmosphere stop for a second and inhale....... then all of the sudden, a sustainded...... WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH!!..the eyewall had arrived and my porch time had come to an abrupt end!!...
I live right across the street from very active train tracks and if I hadn't known better, I would of sworn there was a train coming... that is exactly what is sounded like...for the next 3 1/2 hours..
and this was just his frontside..the winds on his backside was at least 10mph greater...

Alicia came thru during the day and my father and I sat in the garge and watched for hours as a perfect eye floated over head and the sun came out .. nothing of what I just spoke of on Ike took place that day during Alicia..

Point being, I no longer like our standard way of classifying these storms.. CAT2 was NOT an accurate way to describe Ike.. Im not sure what was but Cat2 just doesn't begin to get it done for him...


Well said, the wind field on IKE was unlike any storm.....unfortantely.....even NHC addressed the enormous size of the wind field, but again as always most people as only looking at the center of the storm and not the outer layers....education again a fault....
549. beell
pearlandtexas, Houstonian

I think that's exactly the case. It was known by most here on the wu that Ike's eyewall(s) was a big unknown. Very strong and wide band of winds well away from the center. The expected surge well up the coast from the "center" was believable. Maybe this distinction could have been hammered home better.

Most Texans probably thought that one's safety increased with distance from the center. Usually true.

550. beell
Well there ya go TS!
Coulda said it faster but not better lol
Forecaster sees three tropical storms in October By Jim Loney
Wed Oct 1, 10:31 AM ET

Three tropical storms will form in the Atlantic and Caribbean in October, of which two will strengthen into hurricanes, the noted Colorado State University hurricane research team predicted Wednesday.

The CSU team, founded by pioneer hurricane forecaster Bill Gray, did not issue a new full-season forecast. In early August, the forecaster called for a total of 17 tropical storms during the six-month season, of which it said nine would become hurricanes.

The forecaster predicted that one of the two hurricanes in October would be a "major" storm of Category 3 or higher on the Saffir-Simpson scale of hurricane intensity, with sustained winds higher than 110 miles per hour (177 km per hour).

"We continue to observe low sea level pressures and warm sea surface temperatures across the tropical Atlantic," forecaster Phil Klotzbach said in a written statement, citing two of the key factors that contribute to hurricane activity.

Link

Oct-1 Forecast.pdf
Great converstation tonite everyone.......its time for me to sign off for the evening but, i really enjoyed the good feedback from everyone.....too bad some folks will never ever have the opportunity to hear or read such things again......good nite everyone!
Quoting Orcasystems:
Good video discussion on Storm Surge.
From: Science.gc.ca
Science and Technology for Canadians

WARNING, uses the GW word.


Why do so many people have problems with that? It is a confirmed fact (there are even past examples of catastrophic climate changes resulting from increased greenhouse gasses (and decreased GHGs); those events were natural, yes; but today we know what is causing it). Some even deny that it is happening at all, or has stopped, mostly since 1998:

Image Hosted by ImageShack.us

(the trend since 1998; the above is in degrees C per month, 0.0168*C/year; is exactly the same as since 1970; I even picked the warmest month in 1998 to try to throw it off; the cooling over the last year that has been so hyped up lately as the start of the next "Ice Age" is also due to La Nina; similarly, most of those other squiggles are ENSO related, or volcanic)
554. beell
I think the storm surge was caused by the wind, from a hurricane
In the spirit of TSs last post I have a question sort of off topic about tornadoes and underpasses.
I just watched tornado rampage on TDC and they replayed the footage of the news crew sheltering under one and they mention how dangerous it is to do that. The rule of thumb is to get out of your car and find a ditch or low lying area. I'm from the East and have never had a personal tornadic experience, but I think I would take my chances under an OP nestled between the girders rather than lying totally unprotected on the open ground. I would guess in a direct hit I'd be dead either way. anyone been through anything like that before or care to share an opinion?
I've agreed to act as an advisor for the Hurricane Ike portlight.org charity relief efforts spearheaded by Patrap, Presslord, and StormJunkie. ...
I'll donate 60 of my novels.
By Dave Fehling / 11 News

LA PORTE, Texas—The damage Hurricane Ike caused will run into the billions of dollars and some experts say, on average, households may recover only about half their losses.

Robin Spigner is a La Porte homeowner who is still dealing with massive damage to her home and property.

“(There’s damage) in the living room suite. We have big screen TVs that are damaged. If you move them you can hear them sloshing,” she said.

A few miles away Patricia Hefley is dealing with destruction at the Diary Queen restaurant she owns.

“Its pretty bad, really, really bad,” she said.

People who work in heavily damaged business are also feeling the heat.

Many are wondering when they can return to work.

Despite the damage, experts say that the storm could also bring new wealth to our area.

“Houston’s going to see a major increase in money flowing in, both from terms of insurance claims and disaster relief. That’s going to last up to two years,” said Douglas Woodward. He’s an economist at the University of South Carolina School of Business.

Woodward conducted a study after Hurricane Hugo hit Charleston in ‘89.

“It came back as a better city,” said Woodward.

He says millions in insurance checks funded spending sprees to replace all those damaged household items.

Millions more poured into that local economy to rebuild coastal homes, often to better standards.

Woodward said older homes got facelifts they otherwise might not have.

Local realtors who are looking at coastal properties now expect an up-tick from Hurricane Ike.

Michael Weaster is with Century 21. “And the fact that the ones that didn’t get destroyed are going to sell and sell quick because they’re limited.”

“People love living along the coast. I guarantee they’re going to be back. They’re going to rebuild,” said Woodward.

Woodward’s hurricane study showed that households recovered only 45 percent of losses in South Carolina. That was the average.

The reason, Woodward says, is that many people, especially those with lower incomes, had inadequate insurance or no insurance at all.

In those neighborhoods, researchers found recovery came more slowly and sometimes not at all.

And with the current financial crisis now, there is doubt how much help we’ll get from the government.

So what does this mean to the people in La Porte?

At the DQ, insurance is not only covering the damage, its also paying their 16 employees so they won’t take jobs somewhere else.

Meanwhile, Robin Spigner says she’s confident her insurance will cover repairs and a shopping trip to replace ruined TVs and bedding.
Quoting TampaSpin:


Well said, the wind field on IKE was unlike any storm.....unfortantely.....even NHC addressed the enormous size of the wind field, but again as always most people as only looking at the center of the storm and not the outer layers....education again a fault....


The odd thing about Ike and the size of the windfield was that just approx 100 miles or so south, south west of galveston (Bay City) we barely had tropical force winds and less than 1" of rain!!
'Mercy Now'
Requiem for Katrina, Ike, Gustav...
Mary Gauthier
Quoting TampaSpin:
Just to throw something out.....i would be safe to say that only 10% of the people that come to this blog actually post anything....the other 90% don't say anything but just observe and read......good example is i have had over 30,000 hits on my blog since 9-1-08 and i might get 10-15 posting an update.....i would say this is no different...so what we say on this blog can make a difference to many.....i actually had one of the local mets in tampa email me....so everyone that have things to ask or share should do so and we should always assist and not bash those that are trying and ask sometimes repetetive and sometimes dumb questions.
Quoting Celia1970:
I spent time reading comments by people in the Bolivar Peninsula area (and Galveston). One factor I found important was that many where aware of the incoming storm surge but that it arrived before they thought it would.

I find this plausible.

I am having trouble finding time-frame references; but, I believe that I read in one article that the water started rising on the Bolivar Peninsula on Thursday night.

Does anyone have real information about when the surge actually started impacting on Galveston and the Bolivar Peninsula?

Also, since I am not on the coast, I did not read the local NWS office warnings as to when the surge would arrive. Did anyone save that information--or at least recall it?

Thanks,

Quoting Chicklit:
'Mercy Now'
A Requiem
Mary Gauthier
Quoting Chicklit:
'Mercy Now'
A Requiem
Mary Gauthier


wow, never saw that one before, now I'm lost in thought.......again
Gauthier is great.
Seems the colder fronts are coming through Florida a little earlier this year, doesn't it?
Quoting Celia1970:
I spent time reading comments by people in the Bolivar Peninsula area (and Galveston). One factor I found important was that many where aware of the incoming storm surge but that it arrived before they thought it would.

I find this plausible.

I am having trouble finding time-frame references; but, I believe that I read in one article that the water started rising on the Bolivar Peninsula on Thursday night.

Does anyone have real information about when the surge actually started impacting on Galveston and the Bolivar Peninsula?

Also, since I am not on the coast, I did not read the local NWS office warnings as to when the surge would arrive. Did anyone save that information--or at least recall it?

Thanks,


Celia,
I think Dr. Masters called it two if not three days ahead of time. My opinion is the mayor had time to call the 72-hour plan into play and didn't. As late as 7 or 8 a.m. Thursday morning she was still pooh poohing the storm. I was frankly shocked. Someone must have paid her a phone call because by nine-o'clock Thursday morning that mayor had changed her tune.
But by then it was too late.
I place the blame squarely on her shoulders.
Then and now.
How many people are missing?
Quoting Chicklit:
"I've agreed to act as an advisor for the Hurricane Ike portlight.org charity relief efforts spearheaded by Patrap, Presslord, and StormJunkie. ..."
Jeff Masters

I'll donate 60 of my novels.
Quoting Chicklit:


Your speaking to yourself again.
remember a hurricane can strip the land of everything including all life so nothing remains but the dirt and the water
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
remember a hurricane can strip the land of everything including all life so nothing remains but the dirt and the water


You mean.. like Young street?
no the guns will do that
Quoting nativson:
That is a very interesting question. I am from Houston and on Friday morning I woke up and turned on the television where there was non stop local coverage of the impending storm. Well, by 8:30-9:00 a.m. the 17 ft seawall was already being overcome by "waves" as the local meteorologists kept pointing out. The storm surge does not actually occur until the eye is approaching. Already by that early hour people were having to be rescued from Bolivar by Coast Guard helicopter as the roads were no longer passable!! That was approximately 14 hours before landfall!!! I know of one couple who didn't survive who planned on leaving but overslept and couldn't leave.
I don't believe anyone had a clue that the water would start rising so much ahead of the storm. As I watched the giant waves spilling over the seawall I was dumb struck. I know people were caught unprepared for how early the waters starting rising. That is just another way that Ike was such a unique storm - most storms don't start flooding an area that far ahead. I am thankful I don't live on Bolivar because I was not at all fully prepared until the end of the day on Friday and I would have probably stayed until Friday morning thinking I'd still have plenty of time to leave as the storm was not supposed to hit until the middle of the next night!!!! All of that being said the local news (ABC 13) featured tonight a newly engaged couple who rode out the storm in a wooden building on a PIER!! They both survived - go figure! Ok - lots of info - sorry - but NO, no one ever mentioned on Wed or Thursday (at least not locally) how much ahead of the storm the waters would rise. I don't recall meteorologists saying that before any storm however.
Hi all!

Nice to see that all is calm.... : )
remember orca iam a stranger in a strange land my home is east of here my friend
Quoting Chicklit:

Celia,
I think Dr. Masters called it two if not three days ahead of time. My opinion is the mayor had time to call the 72-hour plan into play and didn't. As late as 7 or 8 a.m. Thursday morning she was still pooh poohing the storm. I was frankly shocked. Someone must have paid her a phone call because by nine-o'clock Thursday morning that mayor had changed her tune.
But by then it was too late.
I place the blame squarely on her shoulders.
Then and now.
How many people are missing?
Yes the mayor of Galveston shocked me as well. Where Ike made landfall saved her behind. Unfortunately it was aweful for Jefferson and Orange Co. where I live. Of course the Bolivar pen. was wiped out too. Jeff and Orange Co. officials called mand. evac Thursday morning. Already cars trying to leave the southern parts of the area were being swept off the road. I imagine it was worse for those trying to leave Galveston/Bolivar. But our local officials did it on their own. All state resources were to the south. Dont know if this weighed into that mayors decision or not. Locally only one body has washed up so far in chambers county. A woman from Crystal Beach I believe. And they found they body of a port neches man who was just north of Bridge City when he called 911 as IKE was coming ashore. The operator told him to call his wife. Which he did until the call was cut off. It was bad. Words fail me.
Quoting Chicklit:

Celia,
I think Dr. Masters called it two if not three days ahead of time. My opinion is the mayor had time to call the 72-hour plan into play and didn't. As late as 7 or 8 a.m. Thursday morning she was still pooh poohing the storm. I was frankly shocked. Someone must have paid her a phone call because by nine-o'clock Thursday morning that mayor had changed her tune.
But by then it was too late.
I place the blame squarely on her shoulders.
Then and now.
How many people are missing?

New tonight said 432 still missing which includes 12 newly named people missing called in today.






for now beach
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
remember orca iam a stranger in a strange land my home is east of here my friend


True.. but Toronto is such an easy target...
and right now.. I am bored..so I thought I would take the shot before I go to bed ..
Quoting Beachfoxx:
Hi all!

Nice to see that all is calm.... : )


How is the Mistress of Wildlife doing tonight :)
Snakes/Fireants/Bears/Gators.. flying Squirrels.. you should open a refuge?
thats ok i dont mine i think there all nuts here myself anyway
Orca - you mean you actually sleep? Someone this morning was wondering if you ever did, cause they see you here a lot.

Quoting zoomiami:
Orca - you mean you actually sleep? Someone this morning was wondering if you ever did, cause they see you here a lot.



I go to bed at 10-1030 pm here.. and get up around 515 am, so I get a good nights sleep.
Keeper,

For now is all I can ask for! LOL

And for those who ask; "why do you live on the coast, aren't you worried about Hurricane's?"

I can easily say.... "but the weather is beautiful the rest of the time!"

Orca! Poor wildlife.... little creatures should be afraid, very afraid of the Mistress who is afraid! LMAO
Quoting Beachfoxx:
Keeper,

For now is all I can ask for! LOL

And for those who ask; "why do you live on the coast, aren't you worried about Hurricane's?"

I can easily say.... "but the weather is beautiful the rest of the time!"

Orca! Poor wildlife.... little creatures should be afraid, very afraid of the Mistress who is afraid! LMAO


I have always been afraid of my Mistress :)
Mind you... if she never meets SWMBO'ed
Hey Zoo...
You are up late!

Orca, he likes to stay up late and wake up early so he has plenty of time to torture us with doom, gloom and wild life and other creatures of the night! LOL
And you should be!
Quoting Orcasystems:


I have always been afraid of my Mistress :)
Quoting Beachfoxx:
Hey Zoo...
You are up late!

Orca, he likes to stay up late and wake up early so he has plenty of time to torture us with doom, gloom and wild life and other creatures of the night! LOL


I might point out.. you two are either up very early.. or going to bed very late?
Beach - yep - he definitely lost part of the halo today, disillusioned my childhood pals. I'll never look at my teddy bears the same again.
Actually, back up, was asleep earlier, dogs woke me up.
Anyway.. bed time.. to keep up the rapier wit.. I need lots of sleep... later all :)
Its late here 1 am - which makes its 10 your time right? 3 hour difference?
Point taken! LOL
I have always been a bit of a "Night Owl"... Only need a few hours sleep & ready for a new day! : )

Besides, its only a bit past the "witching hour" here (CST) its past 1:00 a.m. in Miami!!! Morning! he,he,he...

Quoting Orcasystems:


I might point out.. you two are either up very early.. or going to bed very late?
Quoting zoomiami:
Beach - yep - he definitely lost part of the halo today, disillusioned my childhood pals. I'll never look at my teddy bears the same again.


ROFLMAO.. PM
You know Zoo, that Halo is hard to see, behind the "horns"! Polish can't do much about them!
Quoting zoomiami:
Beach - yep - he definitely lost part of the halo today, disillusioned my childhood pals. I'll never look at my teddy bears the same again.
Quoting Beachfoxx:
Point taken! LOL
I have always been a bit of a "Night Owl"... Only need a few hours sleep & ready for a new day! : )

Besides, its only a bit past the "witching hour" here (CST) its past 1:00 a.m. in Miami!!! Morning! he,he,he...



Zoo asked me if I liked Bears.. I said no.. she was confused.. so I told her to type it into google and see what came up.. I think she was shocked
I always meander at night - makes my kids crazy - they are never sure when mom will turn up!
Oh and by the way... I did offer him a chainsaw to trim them down.... He turned me down, said all he needed was nail clippers. Poor delusional Orca!
Ha!Ha!Ha!
Quoting Beachfoxx:
You know Zoo, that Halo is hard to see, behind the "horns"! Polish can't do much about them!
Chiklit, I was moved by "Mercy Now".

But I want to toss a hypothetical your way:

Your loved one, who lives with you, is old, fragile, emphysemic, and dependent on prescription medicine to stay alive.

You are notified that due to infrastrucure upgrades the power to your house will be cut off in 3 to 5 days, and it could be a week or more before the power returns. During that time the A/C will not work, the Oxygen delivery system will not have power, the sewer and water systems will cease to function, and the medicines will go bad due to lack of refrigeration.

You choose to take your chances,and you promise your loved one that all will be OK.

There is no way the power and utility companies will leave us in a lurch like this.

It does happen. The loved one dies.

If these events happened in an individual home, what would we call it?



Zoo, you could get even... Tell him to type in Rattle Snakes. I am pretty sure there is a history, a childhood memory. T'would do him good! LMAO
Quoting Orcasystems:


Zoo asked me if I liked Bears.. I said no.. she was confused.. so I told her to type it into google and see what came up.. I think she was shocked
Unfortunately its amazing how one can reach an age and still be so naive.

My older son was telling me about flippits?? today - kids who inhale the gas out of the whip cream - never heard of it before.

Quoting Beachfoxx:
Oh and by the way... I did offer him a chainsaw to trim them down.... He turned me down, said all he needed was nail clippers. Poor delusional Orca!
Ha!Ha!Ha!


I know - had us all fooled, such a nice guy, disillusionmnet isn't pretty
Zoo... kids know so many ways to get a buzz! Believe me, I know!!! Things that would both surprise you and some that would simply gross you out!
You have "drug" questions, just email me!
Quoting zoomiami:
Unfortunately its amazing how one can reach an age and still be so naive.

My older son was telling me about flippits?? today - kids who inhale the gas out of the whip cream - never heard of it before.

Quoting zoomiami:
Unfortunately its amazing how one can reach an age and still be so naive.

My older son was telling me about flippits?? today - kids who inhale the gas out of the whip cream - never heard of it before.


Kids... we used to use model glue..
On that note.. I am off to bed..later all
Ah! HA!!!! That explains it all!

ROFLMAO
Quoting Orcasystems:

Kids... we used to use model glue..
On that note.. I am off to bed..later all
Lets see - I was also told about the air canisters you use to clean computers, and a few others. He said in Iraq there were some guys who particularly creative.

Necessity is the mother of invention...
Ok - I'm off as well, morning comes too early these days.

Night Beach - see you tomorrow
In the old days, the compressed gas cartridges they used at bakeries contained N2O. You can still find the gas at the dentist and in some dragsters....

When I think back on those days, I laugh.....
4ftMyers: that's what he was trying to explain to me - the stuff like the dentist uses.
Zoo... kids will always consider themselves "bullet proof"... Unfortunately, it just ain't so. : (

4rtMyersGuy - today the "big bad bear" is bigger and badder... often the laughter fades too soon. Believe me, I know.
Night Zoo & Orca...


Wow, its only 59 degrees out! Wow! I love October at the beach............. : )
Nitrous Oxide - Laughing Gas

Among other things, the O in N2O ain't breathable. And kids being d==ba==es, one will probably kill himself before they figure it out.
47 here beach
More than one kid has already done just that... killed themselves. : (

Keeper, its nice to have the cool weather. Sliding glass door open, waves lapping on the shore, stars sparkling in the sky... hard to beat!

Quoting 4rtMyersGuy:
Nitrous Oxide - Laughing Gas

Among other things, the O in N2O ain't breathable. And kids being d==ba==es, one will probably kill himself before they figure it out.
Quoting Beachfoxx:
Night Zoo & Orca...


Wow, its only 59 degrees out! Wow! I love October at the beach............. : )
Where are you at? Are those Panhandle temps?
Perdido Key, FL, the Panhandle.... and it is gorgeous!
Night all!
My apologies for a kind of long post.

I am not a Nagin fan at all and I thought his hysteria prior with Gustav was over the top and was on the band wagon of folks criticizing his actions, but the bottom line was that people left.

Now, having a front row seat as the magnitude of what Ike has done to our community is unfolding, I wish our local government and media had yelled a little louder or in most cases, yelled at all for folks to leave!

Thursday and Friday were so calm and reserved that you almost had to pinch yourself to be sure that there was really a storm coming. I can't tell you how many times I heard on local news that they wouldn't be surprised to see the storm pull a "Rita". It's no wonder that the public didn't buy into the urgency...it was never really being sold by the local entities.

To be honest, the expertise and concern from folks on here like Ike, kman, StormW, Dr M, Tampa, CyberTeddy and many more that I'm too tired to remember (please forgive me if I forgot you!) are the reason that my family understood the gravity of the situation and for that I am deeply grateful.

WOW~

By Katherine Sather / KHOU.com

Carole Hamadey and her dog, Misty.

CRYSTAL BEACH, Texas – During the most frightful moments of Hurricane Ike, 60-year-old Carole Hamadey sat upstairs in her bed and breakfast on the Bolivar Peninsula, desperately trying to hold a window shut.

With the help of one other person, she pressed her fingertips on the window’s locks for two hours to keep the wind and water from rushing in her home.

Hamadey weathered Hurricane Ike from start to finish inside her B&B, called "Out by the Sea." Her community on the Bolivar Peninsula was one of the hardest hit by the Category 2 hurricane, which slammed into the Texas coast Sept. 13.

Bolivar residents were allowed to return to their homes for the first time today, but only on a "look and leave" basis. Hamadey has yet to return. She only made it off the peninsula Sept. 15, despite attempts to evacuate before the storm.

Hamadey tried to evacuate Friday morning before Ike along with two women staying with her. The trio woke up at 6 a.m. to leave, but the roads were so flooded they couldn’t get out.

"I looked at the Gulf (of Mexico), and the water was coming up the Gulf, up the street, before my eyes," Hamadey said. "It was coming up at a speed I could not describe."

She called 911 for help evacuating, but was frustrated when she says the operator told her they couldn't bring their pets. By late afternoon, she says evacuations had stopped. And she was witnessing a transformation in her neighborhood.

"The waters were so high you couldn’t go downstairs anymore," Hamadey said. "Stuff was coming out of garages. Heavy things. I couldn’t count the ice chests, the toilets. My washing machine floated by me in early afternoon."

That evening she and her guests had dinner upstairs.

“We all prayed and they all said they were ready to die because we knew we might not make it out,” she said.

That night she says the winds were "incredible." The house shook. Her wine glasses broke on the rack. Waves crashed on to her deck.

"I crawled outside … then I started seeing the houses in front of me. It wasn’t just the bottom of the houses taken out," she said. “I started seeing the tops of houses come down. And the houses just disintegrated."

By midnight the waters were 20 feet high, she said. They tore off the stairs, her deck, the hurricane covers on her doors.

"The house was shaking like I cannot express," she said.

She says the water seemed to form an eddy around her home. And somehow, gusts started tearing the window out from its frame in the upstairs room where they were taking shelter. That’s when she and her friend started holding the window in place.

“The only way to hold the window in was for our fingers to go on the locks,” she said. “When we could no longer hold the window, I took coat hangers and wound them around the locks on top of the window and tied cords to back of the bed, and moved the bed back to keep the window in.”

"The worst part was when the waves started going back out, the sucking action was so intense," she said.

When it was over, the damage to her property was overwhelming.

"I think my house barely made it," she said. "If I wasn’t able to hold those windows in it would of gone down."

Her deck is gone, her roof is damaged, there’s no evidence her two garages ever existed except for a concrete slab covered with mud. It looks like someone took a hatchet to the honeymoon suite. There’s no sign of her riding lawn mower, which was chained to the ground. She found her car stuck in the sand, end up.

"I had locked the car and for some reason the interior of the car was being sucked through the window," Hamadey said.

Nearby homes look like they were sliced in half. She says it’s like looking into a dollhouse.

Bolivar Peninsula was wiped out during Hurricane Ike.

Hamadey was evacuated Monday night after the storm. She was taken to San Antonio, where her daughter picked her up. The two weren’t able to communicate during the storm.

"She thought I was dead," Hamadey said.

Hamadey plans to return to the Bolivar Peninsula. She wants to reopen her bed and breakfast, which she’s operated for eight years. In an e-mail to 11 News, she wrote: "I get more caring e-mails from my previous guests stating they will be back. I am planning a grand re-opening for my guests in December!"
The last front brought in dry air down here lowering humidity which is a huge relief, but it didn't drop temperatures that much. It seems like we need three cold fronts to move through before we get tourist weather. It usually takes until mid-November or so.
Quoting txlori:
My apologies for a kind of long post.

I am not a Nagin fan at all and I thought his hysteria prior with Gustav was over the top and was on the band wagon of folks criticizing his actions, but the bottom line was that people left.

Now, having a front row seat as the magnitude of what Ike has done to our community is unfolding, I wish our local government and media had yelled a little louder or in most cases, yelled at all for folks to leave!

Thursday and Friday were so calm and reserved that you almost had to pinch yourself to be sure that there was really a storm coming. I can't tell you how many times I heard on local news that they wouldn't be surprised to see the storm pull a "Rita". It's no wonder that the public didn't buy into the urgency...it was never really being sold by the local entities.

To be honest, the expertise and concern from folks on here like Ike, kman, StormW, Dr M, Tampa, CyberTeddy and many more that I'm too tired to remember (please forgive me if I forgot you!) are the reason that my family understood the gravity of the situation and for that I am deeply grateful.

Im glad you and yours are safe. I heard many talk about how unnecessary the evac for Rita was. I begged everyone I could to evacuate. I had 18 hours of the evacuation traffic from Rita. But had we stayed in our home we wouldve died when it was crushed by two 100 foot oak trees. Ike didnt need to "pull a Rita" to be devastating as you well know. He didnt hit here in Golden Trangle but the devestation was complete from the winds and the water. Entire communities struggling to rebuild after Rita were wiped out again. This is bordering on the insane. One after another. I believe a little hysteria is in order. Whatever will get the people out of harms way.
616 - wow indeed!!! I'm glad she made it. :)
Quoting Houstonian:
WOW~

By Katherine Sather / KHOU.com

Carole Hamadey and her dog, Misty.

CRYSTAL BEACH, Texas – During the most frightful moments of Hurricane Ike, 60-year-old Carole Hamadey sat upstairs in her bed and breakfast on the Bolivar Peninsula, desperately trying to hold a window shut.

Hamadey plans to return to the Bolivar Peninsula. She wants to reopen her bed and breakfast, which she’s operated for eight years. In an e-mail to 11 News, she wrote: "I get more caring e-mails from my previous guests stating they will be back. I am planning a grand re-opening for my guests in December!"


Definition of Insanity: Doing the same thing over again and expecting a different result.
Which one is in a more favorable environment: caribbean system or east atlantic system?
A Galveston friend left for just this reason - after I sent her a link to this blog.
Several lives appear to have been saved by this wonderful institution. Thank you all for that.

Quoting txlori:
My apologies for a kind of long post.

I am not a Nagin fan at all and I thought his hysteria prior with Gustav was over the top and was on the band wagon of folks criticizing his actions, but the bottom line was that people left.

Now, having a front row seat as the magnitude of what Ike has done to our community is unfolding, I wish our local government and media had yelled a little louder or in most cases, yelled at all for folks to leave!

Thursday and Friday were so calm and reserved that you almost had to pinch yourself to be sure that there was really a storm coming. I can't tell you how many times I heard on local news that they wouldn't be surprised to see the storm pull a "Rita". It's no wonder that the public didn't buy into the urgency...it was never really being sold by the local entities.

To be honest, the expertise and concern from folks on here like Ike, kman, StormW, Dr M, Tampa, CyberTeddy and many more that I'm too tired to remember (please forgive me if I forgot you!) are the reason that my family understood the gravity of the situation and for that I am deeply grateful.

After running through the models this morning...the western Carib and extreme Eastern Pacific appear to still be the most favorable areas for formation.

Lower pressure and plenty of moisture.
Could possibly see a crossover depression from the EPAC back into the Atlantic Basin as the steering looks weak.....Unusual, but not rare.




TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
1100 PM PDT WED OCT 1 2008

FOR THE EASTERN NORTH PACIFIC...EAST OF 140 DEGREES WEST LONGITUDE..

THE NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER IS ISSUING ADVISORIES ON TROPICAL
STORM MARIE...LOCATED ABOUT 705 MILES WEST-SOUTHWEST OF THE SOUTHERN
TIP OF BAJA CALIFORNIA.

1. THE SHOWER ACTIVITY ASSOCIATED WITH THE AREA OF LOW PRESSURE
CENTERED A FEW HUNDRED MILES SOUTH OF ACAPULCO MEXICO HAS CHANGED
LITTLE IN ORGANIZATION DURING THE PAST SEVERAL HOURS. THIS SYSTEM
HAS THE POTENTIAL TO BECOME A TROPICAL DEPRESSION TONIGHT OR
THURSDAY AS IT DRIFTS WESTWARD.

ELSEWHERE...TROPICAL CYCLONE FORMATION IS NOT EXPECTED DURING THE
NEXT 48 HOURS.

PUBLIC ADVISORIES ON MAIRE ARE ISSUED UNDER WMO HEADER WTPZ34
AND UNDER AWIPS HEADER MIATCPEP4. FORECAST/ADVISORIES ON
MARIE ARE ISSUED UNDER WMO HEADER WTPZ24 AND UNDER AWIPS
HEADER MIATCMEP4.

$$
FORECASTER BEVEN
625. Enola
Quoting Dutchlady:
A Galveston friend left for just this reason - after I sent her a link to this blog.
Several lives appear to have been saved by this wonderful institution. Thank you all for that.


Maybe more than we will ever know. Mega-kudos to our mets, and especially Dr. M!
627. Enola
Quoting StormW:

Again, no thanks are needed...it's part of my passion as a meteorologist...if I can help make a difference in just one life...then all the volunteer work I do here, and fatigue are damn well worth it.

Just think of it Storm...if only one life was saved to see the dawn of a new day, or the smile of a grandchild...it's all worth it. I think there is no greater meaning to life than to give or preserve the lives of others.
Ya know Senior Chief, if you ever had doubts, folks like txlori and Dutchlady have to make you feel better. Not many have the ability to save lives directly, and as I watched this thing go down, there is no doubt in my mind that you were one of those folks. Not to take anything from Doc Masters, but he wasn't active here on the blog, and you were. There is a core group of really fine people here, and I'm just glad y'all let me hang out.
believe it or not, some people left the gulf coast before Katrina, because of stormtop.

not trying to compare anyone to stormtop, don't get me wrong. but if anyone can save just one life, then it's good.

thank you to everyone for making a difference.
/
632. melly
Good morning..Hey Strom...Storm.
Where is your blog icon Storm??
no stormW, don't pull your blog.

Featured or not featured, your info is still excellent; nothing changes there.

Keep the blog. I used to get my hubby to fax it to me at work. Please keep the blog.
Good morninng...
Chief, I don't know ya, but when I read the afforementioned goddess thing, I felt it was a great piece of sarcastic reply.. I was laughing out loud at your sarcastic "idolizing"
At any rate, not really my business, but please do not let it affect your work here.
637. melly
StormW....I think there would be many, many of us that would cause an uprising if you left us. So what if you want to email some of us, nothing wrong is being said. Hang in there friend.
Quoting StormW:
Thanks Gang! I appreciate all of the kind words. In case all of you are wondering, I've guess you've kinda heard about some of my emails involving the goddess thing...this is why Admin has taken me off the featured blog list...never mind that last season someone here was swearing at me, and slandering me by WU email, but they are still allowed on WU (they weren't featured...just a WU folk). Maybe I should just pull my blog completely.


Disregard those people that try to do bad onto others just because they want to get a "high" out of the situation. You do what you love to do... and if indeed its to help others through your blogs then continue to do so. There will always be someone or many that will try to bring you down.

Personally, I think you should continue your blogs as they help me validate my observations and see what I might have overlooked. As well as helping others.

Finally, I will recommend ignoring those type of people... once they see they're not being corresponded then they'll stop.

Keep up the good work.
629. StormW

I rarely post but please don't pull your blog.
642. melly
This is my last post until StormW has his featured blog back (not that anyone gives a crap). Anyway, you will miss my great wit and wisdom and sense of humor here. LOL.. It is my way of showing my displeasure of ignorance and misunderstanding. I will write a few emails showing my displeasure also.

Thanks Melly, Melissa
Quoting StormW:
636. indianrivguy 6:54 AM EDT on October 02, 2008
Chief, I don't know ya, but when I read the afforementioned goddess thing, I felt it was a great piece of sarcastic reply.. I was laughing out loud at your sarcastic "idolizing"
At any rate, not really my business, but please do not let it affect your work here.


Thanks!
I don't remember...you said you were Navy?


Yea, sewer pipe sailor. Of maybe interest to you, I am an authority on the USLSS, and the construction and occupation of Florida's Houses of Refuge. My respect for surfman, and the Coast Guard in general is VERY high. Y'all do some really good work.. Semper Paratus!
come back melly... come back....
StormW I don't post a lot either. I DO read your blog everyday and can't express how much it helps me to know what to expect when a storm is out there. I trust you to tell us just like it is!!!

PLEASE don't allow the actions of a few to upset you. With the huge following you have on this blog, you were just prime for being set up. People are jealous of you---do stupid and hurtful things as a result.

Makes no difference if you are listed as featured or not---your status with us remains the same.

PLEASE don't change a thing.
Quoting 4rtMyersGuy:
In the old days, the compressed gas cartridges they used at bakeries contained N2O. You can still find the gas at the dentist and in some dragsters....

When I think back on those days, I laugh.....


No Pun intended?

You can tell the tropics are quiet when:

1. You can still see a post on your screen from more than 20 minutes ago.

2. When we are talking about a topic about as far away from weather as you can get.
I will be emailing admin about this to try to get his blog back please send as many emails as you can get people to send to admin maybe they will give him back his featured blog oh and I will not post again till he gets it back
No!!!! Storm please don't remove your blog. I don't understand how a one person can cause such a dire mistake to be made. I am with Melly on this one. What is the point of trying to learn if one of the most knowledgeable people on here doesn't even want to continue his blog? Very distraught right now.
Good morning all...

Quite obvious the tropics are quiet after reading the "drama" this morning.
This blog is so predictable. lol
Stormw - I, too, vote for you staying and blogging. Who else could I call to help me make vital decisions?

I like Doc M, but he is very busy and inaccessible to most of us. (I understand why) You are the voice/person that us "common" non-met people can go to for timely answers. After all, not many people put their CELL PHONE number in their e-mails.

Keep up the good work and posts!

Dakster
Back to business StormW.

Tell me if you will about what's happening with the MJO?
The Extreme eastern Pacific is ripe for development as well as the Western Carib.

Photobucket
StormW -

I also do not post too often, but I have been on here since 2004 and have nothing but the utmost respect for you and your hard work. Please do not allow the actions of a few hinder the work you do for many!

:) Kristy
Thanks Storm!
Appreciate the info.
And another one....

I also don't post much - mostly have the feeling " what can I say".
But now I have to chime in.
Please, StormW, don't pull your blog. You're one of the few I can understand. Learned a lot and like your dry wit.

!!!
658. Idnas
Storm ........... I am a full time lurker who saw all this stupidity beginning a few days ago, but like many on here, we rely on your blog to make sense of what the weather is doing. You post in a language that is simple enough to understand but detailed enough not to be condescending.

Please do not let one voice out of the many supporting voices get to you..... :)
StormW

If you leave...

they win...

Please don't let the weasels win.

Stay and fight the good fight...

Please
Morning to the quiet blog and especially nice quiet Atlantic. Long time since nothing has been posted.
Quoting StormW:
Thanks Gang! I appreciate all of the kind words. In case all of you are wondering, ...Admin has taken me off the featured blog list...
[Their loss - Hopefully, not ours!! ] Maybe I should just pull my blog completely.


A long time lurker here at WU and probably never a contributor --- but --- without your skills and knowledge, we who depend on these blogs to keep us informed of our own situation (Port Aransas,TX) will have little incentive to stick around!

Hang tough!
Good Morning all,

I agree StormW please do not pull your blog. I live on the west coast of FL and know that the more input you have about the storms the better.
Just ignore the trolls.
StormW the humor impaired rule the world. Don't take it personally. Other folks than you have been burned just hasn't showed up as much as you.


Keep The Customer Satisfied (Simon)


Verse 1
-------
C
Gee but its great to be back home

Home is where I want to be
F
I've been on the road so long my friend
G
And if you came along I know you couldn't disagree

Chorus
------
C
It's the same old story
F C G
Everywhere I go, I get slandered, libelled
C F
I hear words I never read in the bible
C Am
And I'm one step ahead of the shoe shine
C Am
Two steps away from the county line
C C7 F C
Just trying to keep my customer satisfied, satisfied

Verse 2
-------
C
Deputy sheriff said to me

"Tell me what you come here for, boy
F
You better get your bags and flee
C G
Your in trouble boy and now you're headed into more"


C
It's the same old story
F C G
Everywhere I go, I get slandered, libelled
C F
I hear words I never read in the bible
C Am
And I'm one step ahead of the shoe shine
C Am
Two steps away from the county line
C C7 F C
Just trying to keep my customer satisfied, satisfied

-----------
C
It's the same old story
F C G
Everywhere I go, I get slandered, libelled
C F
I hear words I never read in the bible
C Am
And I'm so..... tired
C Am
I'm oh, oh, oh, so tired
C C7 F C
Just trying to keep my customer satisfied, satisfied.

666. IKE
ABNT20 KNHC 021137
TWOAT
TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
800 AM EDT THU OCT 02 2008

FOR THE NORTH ATLANTIC...CARIBBEAN SEA AND THE GULF OF MEXICO...

TROPICAL CYCLONE FORMATION IS NOT EXPECTED DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS.

$$

FORECASTER BLAKE


59 days
16 hours
55 minutes
238 GFS runs left....

and it's over!
StormW-you have mail...
668. IKE
Quoting lhwhelk:


Definition of Insanity: Doing the same thing over again and expecting a different result.


And I thought I was stupid.
669. IKE
The only thing I see from looking at all of the models is out in the CATL in about a week. The way this pattern is setting up it looks like a return to October normal temps for the SE USA with chances of rain by the first of next week.

Quoting IKE:


And I thought I was stupid.
LOL
Today on as the world turns... (cue the music)
672. IKE
Summer returns to Houston,TX. next week...

Monday Night through Wednesday
Partly cloudy with a 30 percent chance of showers and thunderstorms. Lows in the lower 70s. Highs in the upper 80s.


Extended discussion.....

"Deepening moisture values upon re-established onshore winds with a
nice moisture fetch...aided by a late Sunday/early Monday 20-30 knots
ll jet...will be the key ingredients needed to begin chance probability of precipitation
from Monday through Thursday. Decent positive vorticity advection around the base of the
nearing nw'ern trough base as vorts get caught up within sw'ern flow
across the Lone Star. Ultimately...this will provide the dynamical
lift in tapping into a much more moist environment. Precipitation waters
back up to around 1.5-1.6" by mid-week...ne'ward-lifting upper low
over the upper plains subsequently bringing the middle-upper trough
closer to eastern Texas...and possible ll jet all spell a return
to scattered showers and isolated storms from Monday Onward. At this time...looks
like periods of showery weather...with highest afternoon probability of precipitation...as
rain may be more driven by warmer bl per prognosticated lower 80f convective
temperatures. GFS hinting at a more summertime warm air advection pattern ...
indicated by high %rh upon 295k Theta-E plane offering 10-20 mb
condensation pressure deficits."
673. IKE
Quoting FLdewey:
Today on as the world turns...


I tell my wife about this blog...continuing saga.

Give it a few days, the Atlantic may make that final push.
Hey Storm, Please don't let a few dictate what you do. There are alot of people on here who respect what you do and look forward to your analysis. Don't pull your blog! Thanks.
675. IKE
Long-term discussion from Tallahassee,FL...


"Long term (saturday night through wednesday)...the middle/upper
ridge will amplify over the eastern Continental U.S. Early next week as a
deep amplitude trough slowly translates eastward across The
Rockies and Great Plains. A strong high pressure ridge will
control the sensible weather from New England to the southeast,
while low pressure and associated front remain over the center of
the nation. The tight gradient between these systems will maintain
a moderate easterly low level flow. While Atlantic moisture will
be mainly be concentrated to the east and south of the cwa, slight
chances of showers return to the forecast both Wednesday and
Thursday. Temperatures each day will average slightly above normal (lows
in the 60s and highs in the middle-upper 80s)."

GM to all
Senior Chief never let anyone bother you about anything you do here. Most people are threatened when they are unable to understand the brevity of the situation. AS a sailor you learn to appreciate mother nature and what it can throw at you but people we will never understand. I guess as a shallow water sailor myself, I always appreciate your knowledge and expertise. Semper paratus
Florida in the clear today. The temperature is cool this morning. Air clear. Just gorgeous.

679. IKE
I see one less featured blogger. I figured WU would do that.
Storm W - please, please don't pull your blog. You speak to people with no meteorological training, like me, who need simple but clear instructions on what to expect. You were completely invaluable during our preparation for Ike and your opinion matters to me more than any other blogger here, no offense to Dr. Masters, but it is true. Thanks so much!
If Ike thinks there's one more storm left in the Atlantic would it be this? Or would it originate in the Caribbean?
TROPICAL WAVES...
TROPICAL WAVE IS ALONG 41W/42W S OF 19N MOVING W 10-15 KT. WAVE REMAINS EMBEDDED WITHIN A BROAD AREA OF DEEP LAYERED MOISTURE AS INDICATED BY THE MIMIC TPW ANIMATION WITH A BROAD MID LEVEL ROTATION COVERING THE AREA FROM 7N-18N BETWEEN 36W-46W. CLUSTERS OF SCATTERED MODERATE/ISOLATED STRONG CONVECTION ARE FROM 9N-12N BETWEEN 42W-46W WITH CLUSTERS OF SCATTERED MODERATE CONVECTION WITHIN 60/75 NM OF LINE FROM 15N31W-18N37W
Atlantic Shear MapLink
Good morning everyone. Looks quite in the tropics today. Cool here in the NE.
683. IKE
Quoting Chicklit:
TROPICAL WAVES...

TROPICAL WAVE IS ALONG 41W/42W S OF 19N MOVING W 10-15 KT. WAVE REMAINS EMBEDDED WITHIN A BROAD AREA OF DEEP LAYERED MOISTURE AS INDICATED BY THE MIMIC TPW ANIMATION WITH A BROAD MID LEVEL ROTATION COVERING THE AREA FROM 7N-18N BETWEEN 36W-46W. CLUSTERS OF SCATTERED MODERATE/ISOLATED STRONG CONVECTION ARE FROM 9N-12N BETWEEN 42W-46W WITH CLUSTERS OF SCATTERED MODERATE CONVECTION WITHIN 60/75 NM OF LINE FROM 15N31W-18N37W
Atlantic Shear MapLink


I looked at that area earlier + the area near Belize and Honduras/Guatemala. The way this pattern looks to set up, might see a system or 2 by the 20th of October.

Summer returns and the ridge is expected to re-amplify over the SE USA in about a week.
the little low pressure is persisting just sw of cuba. dr greys oct report reminds me the season is not over good luck everyone
Good morning all!

How is everyone today?
688. DVG
StormW

Been working and not sure whats what, but I ditto all comments for your staying.
Good Morning all, it is absolutely gorgeous here in Orlando!!!
StormW....please don't pull your blog. We need your input in here North Carolina. Stay with us!!!!
Oh, PLEASE PLEASE DON'T LEAVE StormW. How can we make it life without you? I'll just kill myself if you leave. How can the WU people be so cruel over such silly emails?

PLEASE, I'm more addicted to your updates than I am coffee. I'll cry every day without you.
More rain here in New England,7th day in a row,but things are looking up for a while,definitely will feel like fall this weekend.
Quoting NEwxguy:
More rain here in New England,7th day in a row,but things are looking up for a while,definitely will feel like fall this weekend.
Rain is probably better than snow this early, I imagine. :)
Quoting conchygirl:
Rain is probably better than snow this early, I imagine. :)


Oh yes,as the season goes on,everytime it rains people start saying Good Thing it wasn't snow.
Quoting coneofdoom:
Oh, PLEASE PLEASE DON'T LEAVE StormW. How can we make it life without you? I'll just kill myself if you leave. How can the WU people be so cruel over such silly emails?

PLEASE, I'm more addicted to your updates than I am coffee. I'll cry every day without you.


That is a bit extreme, wouldn't you say?

StormW you should continue to blog whether you are featured blogger or not you do put a lot of effort into your forecasts. Whether you are right or wrong in them you do your best. As far as the other stuff goes that is between WU Admin and you as I do not know enough on it to comment further.
IMAGE:Link

SENIOR AIRMAN BRANDON SMITH CONDUCTS SEARCH AND RESCUE OPERATIONS. - U.S. Air Force Senior Airman Brandon Smith, a pararescueman assigned to the 331st Air Expeditionary Group, conducts search and rescue operations for residents in Galveston, Texas, on Sept. 13, 2008, following the landfall of Hurricane Ike. DoD photo by Staff Sgt. James L. Harper Jr., U.S. Air Force. (Released) Hi-Res | News Photo Archive
Thanks to all of you working on the relief efforts. I have friends in Houston and they are truly friends in need.

Blessings
RE: StormW
Like others I respect StormW's knowledge, his willingness to help all(regardless of our knowledge level), and his generosity with his time

StormW,
I want to know who you are and what you did you do with the real StormW
It is hard to reconcile the StormW that I thought I knew with someone immature enough to remove his blog on the basis that it is not a "featured" blog.
Gawd, I hope I am not seeing you promoting a "put StormW back as a Feature Blog" campaign - it is undignified and beneath you to do so.


Oh... Good morning, folks.

If you have not not gone back and read the blog from late last night, I suggest you do so.-- Excellent discussions.

Gotta get some coffee (death before dishonor, nothing before coffee)
Quoting KEHCharleston:
RE: StormW
Like others I respect StormW's knowledge, his willingness to help all(regardless of our knowledge level), and his generosity with his time

StormW,
I want to know who you are and what you did you do with the real StormW
It is hard to reconcile the StormW that I thought I knew with someone immature enough to remove his blog on the basis that it is not a "featured" blog.
Gawd, I hope I am not seeing you promoting a "put StormW back as a Feature Blog" campaign - it is undignified and beneath you to do so.




I have to admit, this is the most logical post I have seen on this whole subject to date.
Quoting KEHCharleston:
Oh... Good morning, folks.

If you have not not gone back and read the blog from late last night, I suggest you do so.-- Excellent discussions.

Gotta get some coffee (death before dishonor, nothing before coffee)
Nice, quiet day yesterday and today is another day of drama.
Longtime lurker here... I listened to local media coverage of Ike nonstop for days before and after landfall. I couldn't believe what I was hearing. I've saved a couple of the press conferences that still make me shake my head with wonder/dismay.

For those discussing the casual tone of the "alerts" I'd like to offer two press conferences that took place in Galveston. The first was Wednesday evening. The video below takes about 30 minutes to play through entirely but the residents of Galveston and the rest of the island are clearly told that it was already too late to call for a mandatory evacuation. Much of the most unbelievable discussion takes place in the Q&A session after the prepared remarks. It's worth listening to the entire thing.

http://www.khou.com/topstories/stories/khou080909_tj_galveston_evacuations_west_end.5df47ae7.html

Then, at 10:00 the following morning (Thursday) Mayor Thomas and county officials changed their minds and called for a mandatory evacuation of the entire city/island. This was AFTER most of the residents had already gone to work for the day.

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/video?id=6384874

The following is a summary I posted on another site where I'm a regular poster. Some there were referring to those who stayed behind as "bastards" for putting rescue workers at risk.

"I wish I could find the clip where Mayor Thomas vehemently denied reports that refusal to leave the island could result in certain death. There is little or no urgency in any of her announcements. She stated on Wednesday that it was too late to call for a mandatory evacuation of the entire island and then did so Thursday morning after the workday had begun and most people were at work.

There are legal implications in Texas when calling for a mandatory evacuation that they were not prepared to meet and knew full well on Thursday when they told everyone to get out of dodge that it was too late for that to happen. They also knew that they did not have shelter facilities available for the residents to flee to that are required by Texas code when calling for a mandatory evacuation. The video in the link above clearly indicates that on Wednesday night the residents of Galveston were told to go to the grocery store and go home, that it was too late to call for a mandatory evacuation, that none of them wanted a repeat of Rita, that this was a Cat 2 or 3 storm, that most of the buildings on the island could withstand a Cat 2 or 3 storm, that they were only looking to evacuate a handful of people to a shelter, that should they need to evacuate the entire island they had an agreement with Austin to shelter 4000 people (pretty good for a city of 58,000 and an island much higher than that), that they didn't want to take a chance on wasting tax-payers money by calling for a mandatory evacuation on Wednesday.

I agree that the rescuers are the ones being put at risk by the decisions made by the residents of Galveston island, but I think those who want to participate in name-calling should spread it around to all who deserve it."

For anyone interested, here is a link to the State of Texas Hurricane Evacuation and Mass Care Plan (see pg 16, item 4)
(ftp://ftp.txdps.state.tx.us/dem/plan_state/hurr_evac_shelter_state_plan.pdf

I will also say that it's very easy to point fingers after the fact. My energies to date have been to support Paul, Pat, and SJ as best I can from where I am. There may come a time when the best energies are spent in looking back and, although I put these links out there for those who would like to grab them, I'm committed to continue my efforts in ways to move forward and support those who still so desperately need it.
Patrap San Leon community along Galveston Bay in Galveston county needs a lot of help. FEMA hasnt been there, people in trailers are lost and have nowhere to go. Dire needs over there.
Quoting KEHCharleston:
Oh... Good morning, folks.

If you have not not gone back and read the blog from late last night, I suggest you do so.-- Excellent discussions.

Gotta get some coffee (death before dishonor, nothing before coffee)


Well, there is ONE thing that I will allow in the mornings before my coffee...but that's a discussion for another blog.
705. IKE
Quoting coneofdoom:
Oh, PLEASE PLEASE DON'T LEAVE StormW. How can we make it life without you? I'll just kill myself if you leave. How can the WU people be so cruel over such silly emails?

PLEASE, I'm more addicted to your updates than I am coffee. I'll cry every day without you.


Not sure if you're not teasing.
Come off the ledge people... Storm isn't going anywhere. He posts every time he arrives or departs his computer.

Storm I do enjoy reading your posts... but you could cut down on the "I'm here", "I'll be back", "I'm here", "going to the grocery", "I'm back", "Got to go to the Dr. to have the prostate checked", "Back again", "Need to eat", "Back", "Gotta shower".
342 people still missing. Half are probably dead at this point.
RE:702. ILwatcher - Local coverage of Ike. You may want to send those links to Stormjunkie (just post a comment to his blog) and any others you have.

I would add these links to yours

Sept 9
http://www.galvestonpolicenews.com/html/thomas0909.wma

Sept 10
http://www.galvestonpolicenews.com/html/thomas0910.wma

Pre Ike Fox Report
http://www.myfoxhouston.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=7405530&version=1&locale= EN-US

Now I am off for coffee - before I get myself in more trouble.
Quoting BeanTech:


Well, there is ONE thing that I will allow in the mornings before my coffee...but that's a discussion for another blog.


LOL - See how much I need that coffee! I really should not do anything before it.
708 -- did so the morning after...

I'll add yours to the file I have here. Thanks.
I dont blame storm for pulling the plug on his blog this place is certainly not what it used to be a few years back.For me personally my posts have certainly been on the decline over the past year or two as its become pretty difficult to express your views on here without being criticized and at times disrespected.All in all i respect and appreciate your views SW.

Give me a ring when you have a chance. Adrian
Quoting KEHCharleston:


LOL - See how much I need that coffee! I really should not do anything before it.


lol

My condolences!
Quoting StormW:The thing is, if I'm gonna be penalized for some silly emails, then Admin needs to be fair across the board, about what happens to who around here.


Agreed... I have been sent on "vacation" for making jokes and yet cchsweatherman openly curses in his posts and he's not banned. Ah well... it's just a blog. :-)
Morning everyone.......GO RAYS!
Even though convection in the NW caribbean has increased a tad its still disorganized with little hints of a surface feature developing.Models ive viewed this morning seem less bullish on development.
Quoting conchygirl:
Nice, quiet day yesterday and today is another day of drama.


I was thinking the same thing,enjoyed the blog yesterday,but I guess it was too much to ask for two days in a row.
Quoting hurricane23:
I dont blame storm for pulling the plug on his blog this place is certainly not what it used to be a few years back.For me personally my posts have certainly been on the decline over the past year or two as its become pretty difficult to express your views on here without being criticized and at times disrespected.All in all i respect and appreciate your views SW.

Give me a ring when you have a chance. Adrian


That is so true. Time where none of this criticizing and disrepect was going on. It is sad that we can't say what we want without someone trying to debate you on it till it starts a big fuss! I see that the alot of the bloggers that have been on here at the very being are gone or starting to not be around as much. SAD
Quoting FLdewey:
Come off the ledge people... Storm isn't going anywhere. He posts every time he arrives or departs his computer.

Storm I do enjoy reading your posts... but you could cut down on the "I'm here", "I'll be back", "I'm here", "going to the grocery", "I'm back", "Got to go to the Dr. to have the prostate checked", "Back again", "Need to eat", "Back", "Gotta shower".


LOL - that causes me to chuckle...
As Lurker Ike says,
What a blog, lol!
Adrian
I have found your website a huge help. - especially the glossary and tropical links. Nicely done.

Morning,Tampa.We did our part last night,so hopefully the Rays will do the same tonight
Quoting StormW:
698. KEHCharleston 9:18 AM EDT on October 02, 2008
RE: StormW
Like others I respect StormW's knowledge, his willingness to help all(regardless of our knowledge level), and his generosity with his time

StormW, I want to know who you are and what you did you do with the real StormW
It is hard to reconcile the StormW that I thought I knew with someone immature enough to remove his blog on the basis that it is not a "featured" blog.
Gawd, I hope I am not seeing you promoting a "put StormW back as a Feature Blog"
campaign - it is undignified and beneath you to do so.


It's not that way at all...I could care less if I'm a featured blog or not! Hell, I have 3 other blogs I post on, one I'm sure you may be familiar with...Storm2k, plus over 100 private clients that get my forecasts by email. Just that folks have been asking why it was pulled, and I've told them. The thing is, if I'm gonna be penalized for some silly emails, then Admin needs to be fair across the board, about what happens to who around here.





StormW, I assume there was more to it then a few silly emails. Silly emails do not come to the attention of Admin. I have sent you an WU message.
Quoting TampaSpin:
Morning everyone.......GO RAYS!


ROFL, I assume they won :)
Quoting KEHCharleston:
Adrian
I have found your website a huge help. - especially the glossary and tropical links. Nicely done.



Thanks for your comments i appreciate that.Its a work in progress hopefully when iam done with FSU i'll be able to give it a different look.The most resent addition was the new TC tracking software.
722. NEwxguy 9:43 AM EDT on October 02, 2008
Morning,Tampa.We did our part last night,so hopefully the Rays will do the same tonight


BE nice to met The Red sox for the AL champ!
715. TampaSpin 1:40 PM GMT on October 02, 2008

hahah left you a comment on your blog.
724. Orcasystems 9:47 AM EDT on October 02, 2008
Quoting TampaSpin:
Morning everyone.......GO RAYS!


ROFL, I assume they won :)


No the first game for the RAys is today at 2:30


White Sox all the way... sorry Tampa
727. Orcasystems 9:51 AM EDT on October 02, 2008
715. TampaSpin 1:40 PM GMT on October 02, 2008

hahah left you a comment on your blog


Now that is a great idea....running sports scores at the top also.....im on it.....LMAO
730. StormW 9:54 AM EDT on October 02, 2008
Adrian,
before I take off...what are your thoughts on that area near 40W?


StormW i have that blob on my blog as a devloping system in a couple of days....as it ducks under the High to the north.
Help!

I am watching the west caribbean and using it as a learning model.
I get that warm seas, moist air and low shear = potential for tropical system development.

I am trying to get a handle on catching the beginnings - I am trying to look for vorticity.
Looking at the following image


I think I am seeing the following:
Winds from all directions=instability
The numbers in brown are the vorticity readings??? If so they are positive, so we should not expect anything today?
Quoting TampaSpin:
722. NEwxguy 9:43 AM EDT on October 02, 2008
Morning,Tampa.We did our part last night,so hopefully the Rays will do the same tonight


BE nice to met The Red sox for the AL champ!


Yeh,that's what I'm hoping for
734. StormW 9:59 AM EDT on October 02, 2008
Thanks Tim!

I kinda took a quick look so far...and kinda thought that. Just wanted to make sure these old eyes weren't foolin' me.


NOpe you still good my friend....cheer up...it all gets better......don't worry about all this crap....just do what you do best.
Quoting TampaSpin:
727. Orcasystems 9:51 AM EDT on October 02, 2008
715. TampaSpin 1:40 PM GMT on October 02, 2008

hahah left you a comment on your blog


Now that is a great idea....running sports scores at the top also.....im on it.....LMAO


NOOOooooo
Score... not scores.. not running scores.. just the score
Quoting Orcasystems:


NOOOooooo
Score... not scores.. not running scores.. just the score


Don't worry i will take care of Hockey also....ROFLMAO
StormW - we are all human.
I am sorry for your trouble.