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Ike makes a direct hit on Galveston

By: Dr. Jeff Masters, 5:11 PM GMT on September 13, 2008

Hurricane Ike made a direct hit on Galveston, Texas this morning at 3 am EDT as a top-end Category 2 hurricane with 110 mph winds. Although only rated a Category 2 storm, Ike carried a storm surge characteristic of a Category 4 hurricane to shore. The destructive power of Ike's storm surge rated a 5.0 on a scale of 0 to 6 just before landfall, according to the experimental Integrated Kinetic Energy (IKE) product of NOAA's Hurricane Research Division. This is about the same destructive potential Katrina had at landfall.


Figure 1. Radar image of Ike shortly after landfall. The eye passed directly over Galveston, and along the east side of Houston.

Galveston is not destroyed
Although Ike caused heavy damage by flooding Galveston with a 12-foot storm surge, the city escaped destruction thanks to its 15.6-foot sea wall (the wall was built 17 feet high, but has since subsided about 2 feet). The surge was able to flow into Galveston Bay and flood the city from behind, but the wall prevented a head-on battering by the surge from the ocean side. Galveston was fortunate that Ike hit the city head-on, rather than just to the south. Ike's highest storm surge occurred about 50 miles to the northeast of Galveston, over a lightly-populated stretch of coast. Galveston was also lucky that Ike did not have another 12-24 hours over water. In the 12 hours prior to landfall, Ike's central pressure dropped 6 mb, and the storm began to rapidly organize and form a new eyewall. If Ike had had another 12-24 hours to complete this process, it would have been a Category 4 hurricane with 135-145 mph winds that likely would have destroyed Galveston. The GFDL model was consistently advertising this possibility, and it wasn't far off the mark. It was not clear to me until late last night that Ike would not destroy Galveston and kill thousands of people. Other hurricane scientists I conversed with yesterday were of the same opinion.


Figure 2. Radar images of Ike on Friday, 9/12/08. In the left image, we see Ike as it appeared Friday afternoon, with no eyewall and relatively weak echoes. The pressure of the storm was 958 mb. By Friday night (right panel), Ike had begun to form an eyewall, and the echoes had become much more intense. Ike had a pressure of 952 mb at this time.

Ike's winds
Houston Hobby Airport on the south side of town recorded winds of 75 mph, gusting to 92 mph, at 6 am CDT today. The winds likely were higher, but the anemometer failed. The airport measured a central pressure of 960 mb as the eye passed just to the east. Houston Intercontinental Airport on the north side of town recorded top winds of 56 mph, gusting to 70 mph. Eagle Point on Galveston Bay, at the northern end of Texas City, recorded sustained winds of 68 mph, gusting to 87 mph, at 1:34 am CDT. Top winds measured at Galveston Pleasure Pier were 60 mph, and the station recorded a pressure of 952 mb as the eye of Ike passed over. Top winds at Sabine Pass on the Louisiana border were a sustained 70 mph. Much higher winds undoubtedly occurred on Galveston Island and nearby coastal areas, but the anemometers failed before these winds were recorded. An experimental wind analysis done by NOAA's Hurricane Research Division suggests that Category 2 force winds probably only affected a 40-mile stretch of coast northeast of Galveston. There were no weather stations there to record these peak winds. Category 2 winds undoubtedly occurred at the tops of Houston's skyscrapers, as well.



Figure 3.water levels on the Neches River in Beaumont, TX (top) on the Louisiana border increased by 6 feet as Ike's surge progressed upriver. The river has reversed its direction of flow, as seen in the negative river discharge numbers (bottom). Winds peaked at 60 mph at this location. Image credit: U.S. Geological Survey.

Ike's storm surge
Tide gauge data suggests that a storm surge of 12-14 feet affected the region from Galveston to the Louisiana border. Higher storm surges in excess of 15-20 feet likely occurred in Galveston Bay and northeastward, as inferred by comparing the observed surge values we have with the 11 pm forecast surge values (Figure 4). At 10am this morning, the National Weather Service was reporting water levels of 12 feet in the Houston Ship Channel, and 10-14 feet in Galveston Bay. In Port Arthur, TX, on the Louisiana border, the surge reached 11 feet, and did not overtop their 14.5 foot high sea wall, sparing the city and its oil refineries from the major flooding that was feared.


Figure 4. Predicted storm surge from Ike issued shortly before the hurricane came ashore. There was a 10% chance given that the actual surge would excede the forecast heights shown here. The actual storm tide heights (surge plus the tide, shown as red numbers) show that Ike's surge stayed about 2 feet below this "10% exceedance" height. Image credit: NOAA.

My sincere best wishes and prayers go to everyone affected by this historic storm.

A night on Galveston Island
Wunderground member CycloneBoz rode out Ike in a parking garage in Galveston. Here's his report from this morning:
This is CycloneBoz, live from the southern eyewall of Hurricane Ike.

What a storm! My wind gauge read 110 mph

In the car, I'm being bucked like riding a bronco! Easily, winds now still over 100 mph!

I'm on the 2nd floor of the Hotel Galvez parking garage. I have shot some incredible video. I'm chomping at the bit to edit it...and I think I'm going to have time to do that here...because no one is going to get off this island anytime soon.

The surge was an east to west event at midnight. Now, the surge is a west to east event. Flooding everywhere. Multiple fires! There was even a fire out at sea on one of the piers in front of the garage during the first part of the storm.

Massive destruction. Surprisingly, though, a lot of the houses are keeping their roofs! But the people inside are sure worried!

I yelled across the street during the incredible eye event to a lady whose first floor was flooded. Everyone there was okay, but I could tell she was crying. She was scared to death.

As my car rocks wildly as I sit beneath tons of concrete, I have to admit......I'm a bit on edge myself.


Tropical disturbance approaching the central Bahamas
An area of disturbed weather (91L) is located about 300 miles east of the central Bahamas, and is moving west-northwest at 10-15 mph. Satellite loops show that 91L's heavy thunderstorms have decreased significantly overnight, thanks to dry air and wind shear from an upper-level low pressure system to the west. There is no evidence of a surface circulation.

Shear is expected to remain 10-20 knots though Monday, which may allow some gradual development. None of the models are developing 91L, but the central Bahamas can expect heavy rain and strong gusty winds Saturday. These conditions may spread to the western Bahamas by Sunday and the east coast of Florida by Sunday night. NHC is giving this disturbance a low (<20% chance) of developing into a tropical depression by Monday.

Tropical disturbance in the middle Atlantic
There is another area of disturbed weather (92L) midway between Africa and the Lesser Antilles islands. This disturbance is under about 20 knots of wind shear, and is suffering from dry air to it west. NHC is giving this system a low (<20% chance) of developing into a tropical depression by Monday. Wind shear may drop over the disturbance on Monday, so we'll have to keep an eye on it.

I'll have a new blog Sunday.

Jeff Masters
Dickinson Texas IKE Damage
Dickinson Texas IKE Damage
Shots taken this morning at 0700 of damage sustained last night from Hurricane Ike in Dickinson,Texas.
IKE begins to move in
IKE begins to move in
Ike in Biloxi Bay taken from our pier
Flooding in Dominican Republic
Flooding in Dominican Republic
Flooding while I was there was horrible from Ike. Miles of towns were flooded. But nothing like Haiti. The Local News Cast in DR showing far more than what they have here in the US. About 80% Of the homes in Haiti were damaged or destroyed.

The views of the author are his/her own and do not necessarily represent the position of The Weather Company or its parent, IBM.

Reader Comments

972. StormW

Sounds like your power supply gave out. Not uncommon.
ooops for give me this week is the last week of summer and come monday the 22nd will be the 1st day of fall
Apparently mr.Incarnate didn't see the rescue effort from Crystal beach earlier. And here I thought calling a baby drowning irresponsible was a waste of time.
1004. tkeith
995. Beachfoxx 10:26 PM CDT on September 13, 2008 ....Beachfoxx good points and a tough question... what ever the ultimate compromise would be, bottom line is you cant fix stupid.
Thank you, IMA, for posting the 9-10-08 Galveston mayor press conference. I hope they use this as evidence in her trial.

Even as late as 11:30 Friday night on KHOU, she led off her interview with her biggest worry as the loss of power -- my God, where is her thinking on this? Those who forget history...
996. BahaHurican 11:28 PM EDT on September 13, 2008
It seems to me that the people who experienced the greatest damage in a hurricane are usually not the ones who report in first. So, considering the bayous in the Houston areas are just beginning to recede, don't u think it is a little hasty to say that "nothing happened"? (And BTW, what I've seen so far from the video of the Surfside end of the Bay, even a lower than expected surge seemed to have done some pretty extensive flood damage . . .)

I want to hear from the "silent sector": east and west Galveston, Bolivar Peninsula, Port Arthur. Let's give the "real" victims a chance to be heard.


BBL, folk.
994, maybe. It should be there for at least a couple of days, so I will see what I can do. I would also like to have all of the other press conferences that she had.

The bottom line is that as usual, $$ made decisions, not lives.

And for those that think Ike was over hyped by the NHC or the good Dr, wait until you see what is going to come out of Bolivar and areas N all the way around to W La.

Thanks for the good debate all! I am off for awhile.
1008. JRRP
is the center near 44w 15n ?
Let's just hope everyone evacuated from the Bolivar Penninsula. Shades of Katrina there.
am with 23 hurricane season starting to shut down for the USA and hurricane season is starting to slow way down and if there any other name storms out there will most likely go out too sea that is good news i wish no more name storm too make land fall in the USA we had 6 to 7 name storms that made land fall this year i think thats the most we evere had when IKE gets out of the way that wil most likely be it for the rest of the season and if any other storms that pop up will got out too sea
To all who had to evacuate, be safe as you travel home... you are tired, your nerves are frayed, and you are terrified of what you may find when you finally arrive home. But be safe! : )
1012. Zaphod
996tt said of the pseudo-authorities: "They did the best they could".

Reminds me of this:


Sometimes we need people who DO better rather just TRY HARDER. An effort-weighted No Mayor Left Behind approach seems proven to have its problems?
Quoting Yoderfunk:





You sir are a Moronic troll.. First I've seen in a while. While Dr Masters does say storms are "certain death" as you proclaim, at least people take heed and start getting prepared for the worse, so when the worse doesn't come, then at least you were ready. Better safe then sorry. Moron.

It was not Dr. Masters words "certain death". It was a NWS Galveston advisory which he copied and provided the link for on his blog I believe on Thursday. Check the archive. A few of us were on the blog as Katrina was barreling down on NOLA, aghast at what we KNEW was going to transpire in the next 2 days while no evacuations were ordered. Ike/Galv came so close to that same scenario that this discussion needs to take place. Jeff Masters did an exemplary job before Katrina and again with IKE. Overhyped? IMO not hyped enough. Hopefully there won't be great loss of life as there very well could have been. Believe me the rescuers don't ask themselves why the victims are there, they just go and do their job, risking thier lives in the process. To those protesting this discussion, maybe you should go over to weatherchat. If you don't learn from the past you are doomed to repeat it.
Quoting Elena85Vet:
972. StormW

Sounds like your power supply gave out. Not uncommon.
Don't they have little blue pills for that?
I know this isn't on the subject But I think it just came on CNN that a 737 leaving Moscow to Pern or Perm crashed. This is just awful. They said they have been told no survivors.
Sheri
Quoting StSimonsIslandGAGuy:
Looks like Ike will be downgraded at 11 pm, yay! and good riddance!


Speak for yourself. He's alive & well and causing tornados here in Arkansas. :) :
Quoting Tazmanian:
am with 23 hurricane season starting to shut down for the USA and hurricane season is starting to slow way down and if there any other name storms out there will most likely go out too sea that is good news i wish no more name storm too make land fall in the USA we had 6 to 7 name storms that made land fall this year i think thats the most we evere had when IKE gets out of the way that wil most likely be it for the rest of the season and if any other storms that pop up will got out too sea
not yet taz from what im seeing into it looks to be quiet for 7 to 10 then we get one final round of storms maybe 3 at the most then it will finish up dont lead ones self into a false since of security we have only just begun the downward fall from the peak of the season
Where did everyone go? The said Ike is still a tropical depression.
Sheri
Now that the blog is quieter I'd like to pose a question, if y'all don't mind. Someone observed the other day that Haiti always fares worse than the Dominican Republic.

Is that because Haiti has been 'deforested'? Or is the D.R. infrastructure better? Surely nothing to do with the way the island is oriented, is it?

Thanks in advance ~
Quoting Tazmanian:
am with 23 hurricane season starting to shut down for the USA and hurricane season is starting to slow way down and if there any other name storms out there will most likely go out too sea that is good news i wish no more name storm too make land fall in the USA we had 6 to 7 name storms that made land fall this year i think thats the most we evere had when IKE gets out of the way that wil most likely be it for the rest of the season and if any other storms that pop up will got out too sea
sorry they don't all stay out to sea you forgot Jeanne US landfall Sept 26th 2004 and in Oct. 2005 Wilma made US landfall hope You're right but Doubt it,especially the way things have gone this Year
I don't know if this has been mentioned already, but the Daily Kos is following the story of the inmates in the Galveston Jail who were basically abandoned to ride out the storm.

Link

No idea yet if there were any casualties there.
Quoting catastropheadjuster:
Where did everyone go? The said Ike is still a tropical depression.
Sheri
will be till southern ont then transform into a powerful early fall storm
Perhaps it is deforestation AND poverty

Quoting NinetyWt:
Now that the blog is quieter I'd like to pose a question, if y'all don't mind. Someone observed the other day that Haiti always fares worse than the Dominican Republic.

Is that because Haiti has been 'deforested'? Or is the D.R. infrastructure better? Surely nothing to do with the way the island is oriented, is it?

Thanks in advance ~
Quoting Tazmanian:
am with 23 hurricane season starting to shut down for the USA and hurricane season is starting to slow way down and if there any other name storms out there will most likely go out too sea that is good news i wish no more name storm too make land fall in the USA we had 6 to 7 name storms that made land fall this year i think thats the most we evere had when IKE gets out of the way that wil most likely be it for the rest of the season and if any other storms that pop up will got out too sea

It's good to be an optimist. Hope you're right
Thank you! I wondered about that situation!
Quoting bluenosedave:
I don't know if this has been mentioned already, but the Daily Kos is following the story of the inmates in the Galveston Jail who were basically abandoned to ride out the storm.

Link

No idea yet if there were any casualties there.
G'night everyone...

Taz, long time no see!

Ike is now visiting my father in Arkansas... but I know he is safe and I hope that everyone in TX gets some much needed rest and has safe travels home... Godspeed.

☮ ☮ ☮ ☮ ☮ ☮ ☮ ☮ ☮ ☮ ☮ ☮ ☮ ☮
Quoting NinetyWt:
Now that the blog is quieter I'd like to pose a question, if y'all don't mind. Someone observed the other day that Haiti always fares worse than the Dominican Republic.

Is that because Haiti has been 'deforested'? Or is the D.R. infrastructure better? Surely nothing to do with the way the island is oriented, is it?

Thanks in advance ~


It's got nothing to do with how the island is oriented. It has everything to do with deforestation, and the fact that the DR has better infrastructure, because it's not as poor. Basically, the DR could have gone the way of Haiti, but it had one president/dictator in the '60's/'70's who had an ecological bent and stepped in to halt deforestation.

That's the short story. To get the rest, you should buy/borrow/steal a copy of Jared Diamond's book, "Collapse" Link
1030. Zaphod
This one reminds me of forecasting skill.....including mine and some others.



OK, enough Despair posters. I'm done.
Quoting Beachfoxx:
Thank you! I wondered about that situation!
Do you believe everything you read! Common sense would tell you that article is B.S.

1,000 prisoners on a narrow barrier island with astronomical property values.

Come on, it doesn't even begin to pass the sniff test.
Quoting IvansEx:
Well, I actually think I hear some of what you are saying now. I guess my disconnect is this: part of the catergorizing of storms also includes the damage/loss of life potential. So, yeah...I agree we should all have that information given to us in the context of "this is a Cat 3; a Cat 3 has the potential to do x, y, and z."
But I think what you are saying (and I'm of the mind that you are NOT a troll) is that this pertinent information is then capitalized on by media or whomever..."doomcasting"...to increase the hype.

My problem with the argument I just made is...I wonder if I would be saying the same thing if the outcome had changed??
THEN my problem is...did the outcome change based on the inability to totally predict what a storm will do OR were my expectations shaped by the hype??



It is true that the media goes overboard to "outdoom" each other, and this is wrong.

If Incarnate doesn't want to end up on everyone's ignore list, though, he should rethink comments like:

"Once again, more doomcasting from Jeff Masters. ... Where was the 25 ft storm surge? ....Masters seems almost dissappointed that Galveston was not destroyed. ...Ah, but theres this from Masters....."An experimental wind analysis done by NOAA's Hurricane Research Division suggests that Category 2 force winds probably only affected a 40-mile stretch of coast northeast of Galveston. There were no weather stations there to record these peak winds." How convenient. ...Now come on flamers, show me what you got..."

This is what I consider trollspeak. Hopefully, Incarnate doesn't continue it. It's up to him to show us he isn't one.
Quoting HIEXPRESS:


It could have bombed & torn them a completely new one. What you got?


Okay, the same "hype" was made before Hurricane Katrina. It was supposed to have been a Cat 4 or 5 at landfall. It was only a Cat 3 but the storm surge caused the loss of lives. If the 'hype" hadn't been there, many more lives would have been lost. All the instruments that were used to measure the 28 foot storm surge along the Mississippi Gulf Coast were washed away. Is that too "convenient"?

The NHC, Dr. Masters, and stormw give valuable information. Hurricanes and their projected paths and intensities are still not exact sciences. More funds are needed for better satellites, instruments and software are needed. The NHC does a remarkable job in letting people know the paths of hurricanes. They do a remarkable job of letting people know the potential for intensity.

Since Hurricane Hugo, a lot of hurricanes have become monster storms. One of the first posts I wrote here(1 1/2 years ago) was asking if a different type of scale was needed for hurricanes like Katrina, Hugo, Ike, Rita, and others.

Katrina was only a Cat 3 when she made landfall. Her storm surge was that of a Cat 5. If more people hadn't been scared by the "hype", there would have been a greater loss of life.

If you really think the NHC cries "wolf" about hurricanes: Do something about it. Write your congressmen and urge them to increase funding for the instruments and tools the NHC needs to be able to give more accurate predications about the landfall and intensity of hurricanes.


1034. Legion
You should see the towns of Franklin, Delcambre, Erath, Cameron, Hackberry, LA today.
These towns are completely inundated right now as bad as they were with Rita. In Delcambre people are saying that its worse than Rita.

I don't see how Ike only did $18B in damage if Rita did over $20B because it is just as bad as Rita surgewise from central LA to Sabine Pass, except this time Beaumont got surge which they didn't much of with Rita being on the western side.

So it may turn out to be just as bad as Rita just from central LA to Beaumont/Pt. Authur. Then its like a whole 'nother storm on top of that from Jefferson County south and westward.
Quoting StormJunkie:
994, maybe. It should be there for at least a couple of days, so I will see what I can do. I would also like to have all of the other press conferences that she had.

The bottom line is that as usual, $$ made decisions, not lives.

And for those that think Ike was over hyped by the NHC or the good Dr, wait until you see what is going to come out of Bolivar and areas N all the way around to W La.

Thanks for the good debate all! I am off for awhile.


I figured that it would be a while before we really knew how bad it was. I saw some of the pictures from Bolivar. Looked like it did around here after Ivan. Really bad.
Has anyone heard anything about the freighter that lost power in the gulf, during Ike's approach. Was wondering if the USCG did a rescue of the 22 crew members and what happened to the ship. TIA
My post 033. seawitch1261 11:22 PM CDT on September 13, 2008
was addressing 995. Beachfoxx 10:26 PM CDT on September 13, 2008

I thought I selected the correct quote button.
1038. will40
1036. marinetech47

The crew rode it out and now a sea going tug is towing it in
Quoting will40:
1036. marinetech47

The crew rode it out and now a sea going tug is towing it in
Thanks Will, glad they're safe. Bet it was a wild ride. Had some BIG seas out there.
1040. will40
u r welcome yes the winds were too strong for the CG helos
1041. RyanCRG
Thanks for that, I had first heard about this when looters were arrested. The sheriff was VERY RELUCTANT to give up details on where they were sent. He finally mentioned the jail there. I had figured that other prisoners HAD been evacuated but apparently NOT. I find this shocking, with the dire warnings and predictions of 25ft surge why on earth would any one put 1300 lives in certain danger REGARDLESS of them being prisoners?! This is outrageous and I hope that sheriff pays the price. If the surge prediction HAD came true you realize we would have had more deaths than HAITI, just from one facility! RAAAAGE!!!

Quoting bluenosedave:
I don't know if this has been mentioned already, but the Daily Kos is following the story of the inmates in the Galveston Jail who were basically abandoned to ride out the storm.

Link

No idea yet if there were any casualties there.
Quoting will40:
u r welcome yes the winds were too strong for the CG helos
Probably a wet ride for the tug also.
Quoting marinetech47:
Thanks Will, glad they're safe. Bet it was a wild ride. Had some BIG seas out there.


My mom caught some info about them... said they were dealing with 50-foot waves! With no power, it's a miracle they survived.
Quoting marinetech47:
Thanks Will, glad they're safe. Bet it was a wild ride. Had some BIG seas out there.

Now that is a story I would like to hear instead of these celebrity bobble headed nitwits standing on their balcony. The TV news media is pathetic for the most part.
1045. rikster
Quoting stormstricken:


Is there a way that we can SAVE this live streaming video to our hard drive? I'd love to be able to do that! I want to remember how INEPT these people were about this storm when we finally learn how many people have died, including those on nearby barrier islands like Bolivar who were probably listening to what Galveston decided to do, and following their lead......

Stormstricken,
Download helper works great with Firefox for saving streaming video. Easily saved to your hard drive with it. The mayors press conference is a 32 megabyte file. As a lurker and not a poster (1st time)I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post links but here is if your running Firefox http://www.downloadhelper.net/
I also wanted to say thanks to those who share their knowledge and expertise here, I've learned a lot, and more importantly learned how much more I still need too.

SeaWitch,

I think if you re-read the post I am not negating Dr. Masters or the NHC.... they do a valuable and necessary job that benefits everyone. My post is simply asking for a happy medium somewhere between extreme Hype and apathy (stupidity or what ever you want to call it). I do not think I was being unreasonable in any way what so ever. All I am suggesting is "responsible", "prudent" reporting AND individual responsibility.

Quoting seawitch1261:
My post 033. seawitch1261 11:22 PM CDT on September 13, 2008
was addressing 995. Beachfoxx 10:26 PM CDT on September 13, 2008

I thought I selected the correct quote button.
Quoting marinetech47:
Probably a wet ride for the tug also.


As far as I know, the tug wasn't there during the storm. The CG had tried to rescue them when they lost power as Ike approached, but the winds were already too strong and they had to turn back.
1048. will40
I just am affraid of what they gonna find on Galveston Island when they are able to get to all of it
Quoting killdevilmax:

Now that is a story I would like to hear instead of these celebrity bobble headed nitwits standing on their balcony. The TV news media is pathetic for the most part.
Totally agree. News ppl do stupid stuff. The crew of the freighter didn't ask to be put into a hurricane. Would be interesting to hear the crews stories of the experience.
Quoting 4rtMyersGuy:
Do you believe everything you read! Common sense would tell you that article is B.S.

1,000 prisoners on a narrow barrier island with astronomical property values.

Come on, it doesn't even begin to pass the sniff test.


I will grant that the numbers may be speculative. We really don't know at this time. But if even one inmate was confronted with a situation where he/she might die because he/she had a bit too much to drink the night before, for example, I call this reckless endangerment of the public.
Quoting seawitch1261:




If you really think the NHC cries "wolf" about hurricanes: Do something about it. Write your congressmen and urge them to increase funding for the instruments and tools the NHC needs to be able to give more accurate predications about the landfall and intensity of hurricanes.


AY - men. Preach it!
Quoting IvansEx:
"this is a Cat 3; a Cat 3 has the potential to do x, y, and z."


You make a good point in that the whole system of rating hurricane categories is essentially the same as predicting doom. Doom-casting is just another word for intensity forecasting.

Ike presented a challenge to forecasters because it was clear it was not going to live up to the definition of a higher category and yet threatened with flooding that would be more devastating than expected for the storm's wind-speed intensity.

It was a forecast of flooding that demanded a different classification scheme. The Integrated Kinetic Energy is a good try but it seems a very new concept to be introducing at the last minute.

But whatever objective measure would be used it would be the same as predicting doom. Isn't that their job?
Quoting rikster:

Stormstricken,
Download helper works great with Firefox for saving streaming video. Easily saved to your hard drive with it. The mayors press conference is a 32 megabyte file. As a lurker and not a poster (1st time)I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post links but here is if your running Firefox http://www.downloadhelper.net/
I also wanted to say thanks to those who share their knowledge and expertise here, I've learned a lot, and more importantly learned how much more I still need too.



Welcome! I lurked on here for several years before I started posting, and totally identify with your last statement.

And yes, you are allowed to post links. If you click the "link" button above where you type, and put your link address in there, it will be clickable, too.
Quoting bluenosedave:


It's got nothing to do with how the island is oriented. It has everything to do with deforestation, and the fact that the DR has better infrastructure, because it's not as poor. Basically, the DR could have gone the way of Haiti, but it had one president/dictator in the '60's/'70's who had an ecological bent and stepped in to halt deforestation.

That's the short story. To get the rest, you should buy/borrow/steal a copy of Jared Diamond's book, "Collapse" Link
Thank you!
1056. RyanCRG
We DO know at least 4 people were sent there during the storm, the Sheriff himself said so! This is a ridiculous civil rights situation. Probably the most stupid decision by a public official I've seen yet. It's plain callous. Yes they may be convicted or accused of a crime but these are still human lives! At least in NOLA they sent people to Angola, which is above sea level!

Quoting bluenosedave:


I will grant that the numbers may be speculative. We really don't know at this time. But if even one inmate was confronted with a situation where he/she might die because he/she had a bit too much to drink the night before, for example, I call this reckless endangerment of the public.
One more thing before I drift off to dreamland.

Personally, I value the info from WU, Dr. Masters and NHC. They forecasts they present are concise and informative and as accurate as a weather forecast can be... the media often distorts the info into sensational news which brings more viewers and creates a sense of panic.

I would NEVER discredit NHC, WU or Dr. Masters for the jobs they do.

However, I repeat, we who live in Hurricane prone areas have to take responsibility for ourselves. Know your landscape, know the history for flooding in your area, understand the effects of wind on your property,pay attention, be smart and ALWAYS be prepared for the worst case scenario.



Quoting Beachfoxx:
SeaWitch,

I think if you re-read the post I am not negating Dr. Masters or the NHC.... they do a valuable and necessary job that benefits everyone. My post is simply asking for a happy medium somewhere between extreme Hype and apathy (stupidity or what ever you want to call it). I do not think I was being unreasonable in any way what so ever. All I am suggesting is "responsible", "prudent" reporting AND individual responsibility.

Quoting Beachfoxx:
One more thing before I drift off to dreamland.

Personally, I value the info from WU, Dr. Masters and NHC. They forecasts they present are concise and informative and as accurate as a weather forecast can be... the media often distorts the info into sensational news which brings more viewers and creates a sense of panic.

I would NEVER discredit NHC, WU or Dr. Masters for the jobs they do.

However, I repeat, we who live in Hurricane prone areas have to take responsibility for ourselves. Know your landscape, know the history for flooding in your area, understand the effects of wind on your property,pay attention, be smart and ALWAYS be prepared for the worst case scenario.




Well put, I agree. Sleep tight.
1059. Yodee
I also have been a lurker here for a few years but I love reading the posts. I learn a lot and enjoy them greatly.

CycloneBoz - I am jealous lol I would have loved seeing you and that car bucking! I want to be one of the people with the wind meter in the middle of it.

Thank you to everyone for teaching all of us what you do - I enjoy every minute of it.
Bluenosedave,
This is where you and I disagree. Your arguement is based on the premise that there is at least a kernel of truth in the article. My arguement is that the article is totally false; fabricated by an author with an agenda known only to him, his psychiatrist, and his God. The blog that publishes this, in a time of fear and uncertainty is, at best, irresponsible.

That's my opinion.....for what it's worth

Hey yodee, did Boz post his videos? Haven't been on here all day.
The inland flooding from Ike is going to be incredible. Expecting northern Illinois and Missouri to look like a giant lake tomorrow. Wide swaths of 10 inches are possible.
Forecasting such things puts them between the proverbial "rock and a hard place". On the one hand, they can underestimate the storm and destruction (ala Katrina) or overestimate it (ala) Ike. It makes more sense to err on the side of caution as far as I'm concerned. Would you rather not expect your home to be damaged and come home to see it destroyed or expect it to be damaged and then be relieved that it wasn't????
Thank you Killdevil...

You sleep well too. I think we all have a bit of Hurricane Fatique! LOL and heading for a soft pillow! : )

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Hey bet You Donuts to Dollars the Mayor of Galveston won't be Mayor come next Election food for thought
Sleep Well Beachfoxx
@ beachfoxx: I agree with you. Earlier we were talking about going to the schools like the FD does (talking about fire safety) and teaching hurricane preparedness to youngsters. It needs to be 'top of mind' for coastal residents.
Quoting Beachfoxx:
One more thing before I drift off to dreamland.

Personally, I value the info from WU, Dr. Masters and NHC. They forecasts they present are concise and informative and as accurate as a weather forecast can be... the media often distorts the info into sensational news which brings more viewers and creates a sense of panic.

I would NEVER discredit NHC, WU or Dr. Masters for the jobs they do.

However, I repeat, we who live in Hurricane prone areas have to take responsibility for ourselves. Know your landscape, know the history for flooding in your area, understand the effects of wind on your property,pay attention, be smart and ALWAYS be prepared for the worst case scenario.





Very well said!!

Good night, everyone! I have to be good and go to bed at a sort-of decent hour.
POOF Gone you're stinking up the blog
Quoting NinetyWt:
@ beachfoxx: I agree with you. Earlier we were talking about going to the schools like the FD does (talking about fire safety) and teaching hurricane preparedness to youngsters. It needs to be 'top of mind' for coastal residents.
true and I feel swimming lessons should be a required class. Just because of where we live.
Quoting tropics21:
POOF Gone you're stinking up the blog


Who?
Quoting tropics21:
Hey bet You Donuts to Dollars the Mayor of Galveston won't be Mayor come next Election food for thought
If she let's people back on the island while it's still unsafe, she'll be re-elected...
Okay, going to bed for real this time. LOL Good night.
Does anyone know if CycloneBoz got his video posted from Galv. and where? Haven't been on here all day.
1075. RyanCRG
I think you are ignoring blatant facts. I can see the jail on google earth, there IS a jail there. Second, we KNOW people were there during the storm, by admission of the sheriff. How you can just write this off is beyond me. I'm sure the prisoners in NOLA were even more of a security risk, but at least they did the right thing.

Quoting 4rtMyersGuy:
Bluenosedave,
This is where you and I disagree. Your arguement is based on the premise that there is at least a kernel of truth in the article. My arguement is that the article is totally false; fabricated by an author with an agenda known only to him, his psychiatrist, and his God. The blog that publishes this, in a time of fear and uncertainty is, at best, irresponsible.

That's my opinion.....for what it's worth

Quoting stormstricken:


Is there a way that we can SAVE this live streaming video to our hard drive?


VLC media player

works as a media player, and streaming server. You can save streams to harddrive, do time=shifting, even do your own streams.

Works very well but highly configurable so takes a little reading of instructions but free and good online help in forums.

StormW - take a good look at the front panel and listen carefully as you turn on power. If no sound no lights drives whirling, etc then almost always power supply = easy to fix and you can pick up a decent on for around $40.00.
If you're tech oriented it's usually an easy swap or it should be a pretty cheap fix from a local shop that is honest.

-rob
1072
Good one
Thanks everyone...
Just trying to be "reasonable and responsible" and accept responsibility for my actions and decisions. Been through many of these storms, lost a home in Opal and managed to survive, rebuild and move forward.

We could discuss this all night, but I really am crashing... Now! LOL

Peace be with you!
Quoting 4rtMyersGuy:
Bluenosedave,


That's my opinion.....for what it's worth

Not trying to be argumentative, but informative ... looks like it's being reported in regular news outlets.
Houston Chronicle.

Perhaps the Galveston jail is like some of our jails here, which keep prisoners for other counties?
The story is now on UPI - international wire service - looks to be true:
Link
1081. Brillig
Woohoo! It's finally raining in Austin. (now that Ike is in Arkansas) Actually, looking at the radar it looks like it is actually an arm of Ike's. Looks like the grand total is 0.07 inches.
20% cut in oil refining capacity - $4 Gas

Link
1083. Zaphod
At least the mayor was consistent and left the prison employees there as well. Would it have been better to use resources to evac the prisoners and leave the law-abiding sick, poor, and elderly to their fates? The jail is above sea level, and should be sturdy, and probably multi-story....but who knows?

It may be that those in jail have rights that convicted prisoners do not. I am sure jails have been in harms' way before, and there is case law already.
Quoting 4rtMyersGuy:
Do you believe everything you read! Common sense would tell you that article is B.S.

1,000 prisoners on a narrow barrier island with astronomical property values.

Come on, it doesn't even begin to pass the sniff test.

Do you Google before you snipe? Took me about 10 seconds.
Houston Chronicle
Quoting Zaphod:
At least the mayor was consistent and left the prison employees there as well. Would it have been better to use resources to evac the prisoners and leave the law-abiding sick, poor, and elderly to their fates? The jail is above sea level, and should be sturdy, and probably multi-story....but who knows?

It may be that those in jail have rights that convicted prisoners do not. I am sure jails have been in harms' way before, and there is case law already.
Regardless of their rights, I don't think that anywhere in the U.S. a person can be sentenced to death by drowning. Ya know? I did read somewhere yesterday about the difference between a jail and a prison - jails can have people in there who haven't been convicted yet.
I just wanted to say that I am/was a newbie to the Blog here. I joined about 8 days ago I believe. I thoroughly enjoyed reading everyone's analysis, thoughts, predictions, insight, and at times expertise. What I really liked was seeing the overall camaraderie amongst others how people were so willing to answer questions, provide links, add to a discussion/topic all the while doing so for the most part in a constructive and respectful manner. Of course there were some trolls, some insults, some bickering, some arguing, but when you have an open public Blog that is going to happen unfortunately.
I had been tracking Ike for ummm about 8 days and I like to grade myself on accuracy to see what I know, don't know, and why things happened or didn't happen so I gain knowledge learning to be even more accurate the next time around (hopefully) LOL... I have to say I gained a great deal thanks to you all. I appreciate it.
As far as how I did I had about 75-80% accuracy and that covers track prediction, intensity forecast, water vapor loop interpretation, atmospheric conditions related to upper level shear, dry air intrusions, and other variables. I essentially ignore the experts, I do not base ANYTHING from the NHC, or from computer models. I find it a good challenge and a way to learn quicker when I do not model ride basically sitting back watching on the sidelines. I wouldn't call myself a forecaster, more of an analyst with a good understanding of things. There is always so much to learn which keeps my passion and enthusiasm for meteorology very high.
Well that's about it. I look forward hopefully to being here to track the next Hurricane with you all.

- Rob
Quoting TropicalNonsense:
Early estimates are Ike may make #8 on the all time most damaging list.
Likely to replace Frances as the most destructive cat2 ever.

reliable sources are saying between 7-9 billion
in US$ (2008 dollars) but it is a bit too early
to tell for certain.

certainly not as bad as many had thought.
Frances been there done that then Jeanne came three weeks later to finish what Frances didn't both direct hits on our Island
Long time lurker here and have posted a few times.

I recently moved from Texas to Baton Rouge. Ugh, Gustav was a nightmare with no power for eight days! Still many without power.

Anyway, I am stressing as I have two daughters in the Baytown/Highlands area. I cannot reach either daughter, even via text. Both of them rode the storm out in mobile homes!!! I was beside myself. They both know I read this forum and watch storms. My oldest is 18 and I spoke with her fiance' and he said they were not leaving until it got "bad". I said you cannot wait that long! They have a newborn too! I am infuriated with him and with his parents for putting her and the baby in danger.

Then, my other daughter is staying with her father and grandmother temporarily since I moved. They were supposed to evacuate and told me all of the plans, etc. I texted with my daughter late last night and they decided to stay. She is 13 so this is NOT on her. Adults had her stay in a mobile home! They should know better.

I have only seen a few pix of Highlands and/or Baytown and none were good. Lots of flooding.

Soooo, I am so worried and hoping for the best.
1089. RyanCRG
Quoting WatchingThisOne:

Do you Google before you snipe? Took me about 10 seconds.
Houston Chronicle


Yeah seriously I'm looking at it now on google earth, It's practically on the water on the bay side and at an elevation of 3 feet! Even if it's resistant to hurricanes it will be a dismal place without power or water. This would not meet standards for health and safety REGARDLESS of surge or flooding. There appears to be a 2 story building nearby but it looks to be a government building, not where prisoners are held. The jail itself appears to be one story. They evacuated for Rita, but not for Ike?!
I was hoping someone had some info on the Baytown/Highlands area so I can rest my mind, lol.

I will keep checking newssites and on here.

Thanks in advance.
Uncle, Uncle....

Alright, I'm probably wrong. But if we're not seeing news helicopters hovering over this jail which houses about 1.5% of Galveston Island's population. Something doesn't make sense.....
@ TxAstros: check with the Red Cross?

@ 4rtMyers: Our county jail houses prisoners from other counties - for the $$$. Perhaps Galveston did too?
Ok LeopardMoth...you called me and you are correct. I only incited flamers because most people here believe Dr. Masters as they would the word of God. I knew there would be backlash to my opinion and was just merely going on the offensive preemptively. The poster beachfoxx most accurately reflects my opinion.
Never once did I intend to diminish the value of a single human life lost as a result of Ike or any other storm for that matter. I only mean to express my point of view that a line needs to be drawn between accurate forecasting and sensationalism. I believe there are others here who feel this way as well.
Someone here said that the mainstream media is full of $hit, and I could not agree more. However, I use this site almost daily for forecasts of hurricanes, daily forecasts, etc.etc.... I am in no position to dispute Dr. Masters profound knowledge of hurricanes and the like, I simply mean to say that sometimes I believe he buys in to the hype perpetuated by the media and such and posts extremely dire and alarmist blogs that grab your attention and incite fear. It is truth that Dr. Masters expert analysis matters to a lot of people. Is it too much to ask that we tone down the doom just a bit...?
1094. RyanCRG
Ok I'm looking at Bolivar area on google earth, it's not nearly as populated as Galveston, but the number of homes is disturbing. Also NO seawall! Elevation averages 3 ft. I really hope people left that area...
Quoting RyanCRG:
Ok I'm looking at Bolivar area on google earth, it's not nearly as populated as Galveston, but the number of homes is disturbing. Also NO seawall! Elevation averages 3 ft. I really hope people left that area...
Me too ... did you see the photos of Crystal Beach posted earlier? Looks a lot like the MS coast after Katrina.
1096. Roxanne
There are a few pics of Bolivar on a flu board I hang out with that a meteorologist posted.
The link is
Link
scroll down to near the end. I hope this helps. Does not look to good. I rarely post so excuse my html skills.
1097. RyanCRG
Quoting Roxanne:
There are a few pics of Bolivar on a flu board I hang out with that a metoriologist posted.
The link is
http://www.newfluwiki2.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=2715
scroll down to near the end. I hope this helps. Dos not look to good.

Thanks for that link, I am in the process of adding these pictures to Google Earth, everyone should be able to see these as I upload them. Let me know if you see a picture titled : "Bolivar Area Post Hurricane Ike 2008(Air View)"?
I've put ice on the lumps I have taken...

From the Houston Chronicle:
The prisoners and their safety and well-being are paramount and it will be handled," Tuttoilmondo said.

Any decision to move the prisoners would be kept secret for security reasons, as happened before Hurricane Rita in 2005, he said.

"We did this during Rita and no one knew until it was absolutely done," Tuttoilmondo said.
1099. Roxanne
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1100. RyanCRG
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1101. RyanCRG
Quoting Roxanne:
There are a few pics of Bolivar on a flu board I hang out with that a metoriologist posted.
The link is
http://www.newfluwiki2.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=2715
scroll down to near the end. I hope this helps. Dos not look to good.

Thanks for that link, I am in the process of adding these pictures to Google Earth, everyone should be able to see these as I upload them. Let me know if you see a picture titled : "Bolivar Area Post Hurricane Ike 2008(Air View)"?
1102. Brillig
Quoting Zaphod:
At least the mayor was consistent and left the prison employees there as well. Would it have been better to use resources to evac the prisoners and leave the law-abiding sick, poor, and elderly to their fates? The jail is above sea level, and should be sturdy, and probably multi-story....but who knows?

It may be that those in jail have rights that convicted prisoners do not. I am sure jails have been in harms' way before, and there is case law already.


Do you know this or are you speculating? I thought I read that it was single storey and in 6 feet of water.
Ryan, here's some more on KHOU:

Link
Photos 7 through 11 are Bolivar Pen; #8 is a good photo.
Actually looks like those are the same images from Roxanne's site. :-)
1106. RyanCRG
Quoting RyanCRG:

Thanks for that link, I am in the process of adding these pictures to Google Earth, everyone should be able to see these as I upload them. Let me know if you see a picture titled : "Bolivar Area Post Hurricane Ike 2008(Air View)"?

Can anyone see that photo? I want to make sure it's working before posting more...
Quoting RyanCRG:

Can anyone see that photo? I want to make sure it's working before posting more...
I don't...
1108. RyanCRG
Last time I'm commenting on this until we get new info, these are reasons we should be concerned:

"There seem to be a few comments below (a small minority, but there nonetheless) which suggest that this serious issue shouldn't have been reported on. I strongly disagree, for several reasons:

(1) We are still determining if the inmates of Galveston County jail were evacuated. If not, given the extremely dire warnings that those left in Galveston would "certainly die" and calling for mandatory evacuation of everyone else, Galveston officials have some explaining to do about why jail inmates should have been excluded from the evacuation order. This is true whether they are "ok" or not.

(2) If the inmates DID end up being evacuated, Galveston officials still have to explain (a) Why they initially claimed they would NOT be evacuating the inmates, and (b) Why they told family of jail inmates that their loved ones would be put at risk.

(3) There is precedent here. After Katrina, jail inmates were famously abandoned, put in cages next to rising waters, and subjected to other horrific human rights abuses (see report above). Galveston County jail has its own checkered record. Such abuses can only be curbed if we stay vigilant and call out threats to human rights wherever we see them. Trying to minimize or dismiss such threats is a sure way to ensure they are allowed to happen again."

Quoting 4rtMyersGuy:
I've put ice on the lumps I have taken...

From the Houston Chronicle:
The prisoners and their safety and well-being are paramount and it will be handled," Tuttoilmondo said.

Any decision to move the prisoners would be kept secret for security reasons, as happened before Hurricane Rita in 2005, he said.

"We did this during Rita and no one knew until it was absolutely done," Tuttoilmondo said.
1109. RyanCRG
Quoting 4rtMyersGuy:
I don't...

I must be uploading wrong, or it takes a while to upload....
Ryan,

1. Security
2. Security
3. Lousiana

Where are the pics????
1111. RyanCRG
Geraldo Strikes Again!!!!
http://blogs.chron.com/hurricanes/2008/09/police_retrieve_geraldos_seawa.html
1112. RyanCRG
I don't know what I'm doing wrong re: the google earth pics, they should be showing, anyone got tips here?
1113. IMA
You have them saved to an image host somewhere, and are using the image link above?
1114. IMA
Here's another one for the idiot file:
Healthy people left stranded by the storm were largely left to their own devices, as there was no official emergency shelter set up to take them. By Saturday afternoon, many of them emerged from dark and steamy homes in search of supplies.

Many argued with officials who had no food or water to hand out, and who turned them away from flooded and debris-strewn streets.

"We need some ice for some meat,'' shouted John Hall as he pulled into the Bacliff Fire Department lot with a friend.

Hall weathered the storm without trouble in his mobile home near the fire station. But he grew increasingly concerned, during the ensuing power outage, about 400 pounds of meat stored in a deep freezer.


'cause ya know, that's a real priority for the fire department right now!
1115. IMA
Darn, I left off part of it!!!

"It's brisket, sausage, deer meat,'' he said. "I'm going to lose it all, I'm afraid.''
He was outraged the fire department could not offer ice or water.
1116. RyanCRG
"Beaumont region can expect to be without power for one month

The damage from Hurricane Ike was more extensive than that from Rita in 2005. It could be a month to restore power to the entire region, which is from Houston to Lake Charles, said Beaumont Police officer and spokeswoman Carman Apple.

Mandatory evacuation remains in effect and no city shelters are available."
http://blogs.chron.com/hurricanes/2008/09/beaumont_region_can_expect_to.html
IMA,

By Saturday afternoon, many of them emerged from dark and steamy homes in search of supplies.

Do they teach cliche in journalism school these days.....
Morning everyone.

Any news to report?
Quoting RyanCRG:
"Beaumont region can expect to be without power for one month

The damage from Hurricane Ike was more extensive than that from Rita in 2005. It could be a month to restore power to the entire region, which is from Houston to Lake Charles, said Beaumont Police officer and spokeswoman Carman Apple.

Mandatory evacuation remains in effect and no city shelters are available."
http://blogs.chron.com/hurricanes/2008/09/beaumont_region_can_expect_to.html
Hi. Finaly got this conection to work. I hope. Anyway that beaumont region is my home. My family and I have been holed up in a motel since thursday night. 200 miles inland. Ike roared thru here this afternoon. He knocked out the power for hours. Trees came down everywhere. Includig on houses up here. The sheer size of this storm is unbelievable. I finally got word that my home was spared this time. Was not so lucky in Rita. My neighbors house was crushed by trees this time. I actually live in orange county where ive heard a little of from the media about the people trapped in their attics. Just now starting to find out how bad things are at home.
1120. Liann
Quoting RyanCRG:
"Beaumont region can expect to be without power for one month

The damage from Hurricane Ike was more extensive than that from Rita in 2005. It could be a month to restore power to the entire region, which is from Houston to Lake Charles, said Beaumont Police officer and spokeswoman Carman Apple.

Mandatory evacuation remains in effect and no city shelters are available."
http://blogs.chron.com/hurricanes/2008/09/beaumont_region_can_expect_to.html


This is one guy's opinion, and not an informed opinion either.

#1, There is no damage assessment completed yet so the extent of repairs can't be determined.

#2, Repowering is done on a couple of bases: how easily repairs can be completed, and the highest priority objectives first. If you live near high priority objectives, such as refineries, police, hospital, city hall, a wealthy district (they own stock in the power company and you don't), then you will get power back first. If you live on a lonely country road it might be six weeks.

If your power outage is from a simple downed line, then you are in luck. If a pole transformer blew out then you have a wait because more transformers blew than they keep spares on hand. If it's because transmission tower fell and took down high voltage lines, then those will be fixed first.

Don't believe uncredentialed bloggers and rumor-mongers. Try to obtain multiple conformation of news sources. One source quoting another is not two sources but just one, the first one, whom may not be reliable.

They don't even have the roads cleared for assessing damages let alone have completed the first survey. In case you didn't notice they had a hurricane TODAY, hello? TODAY means, like, TODAY, get it? A Hurricane. Restoring power in the shambles is not the first and highest priority while people are still trapped in attics. By dark, today, they still didn't know if there were dead or injured in those two apartment buildings which collapsed in Galveston.
homeless,

Your sherrif was pi$$ed off that some folks from Orange City didn't get out when warned and that his people were having to pull them off of roofs. He sounds like a colorful fellow.

I'm happy that your house is safe and sound.

Good luck, and Godspeed....
1122. Roxanne
Quoting IMA:
"We need some ice for some meat,'' shouted John Hall as he pulled into the Bacliff Fire Department lot with a friend.

Hall weathered the storm without trouble in his mobile home near the fire station. But he grew increasingly concerned, during the ensuing power outage, about 400 pounds of meat stored in a deep freezer.


'cause ya know, that's a real priority for the fire department right now!


After Charlie we had a huge neighborhood barbeque to use up some meat and then consolidated the remainder into one freezer to be kept cold using a generator periodically to keep the temp cold. That year, I bought a solar freezer. I am sure a lot of people are just shell shocked right now.
In Tomball here - live in a newer neighborhood with small trees - THANK GOD! Very minor roof damage and fence damage....i'll take it - I've seen some of the destruction in the older neighborhoods with the larger trees and the flood waters from the byous and gullys....scary stuff! power just came on...THANK GOODNESS!

this is not something i'd do again - very scary....especially at night in the dark without power and with two little ones to take care of all night. i'm a Chicago native and was really creeped otu by this whole experience!

Wishing well to everyone out there who have experienced loss and damage. God Speed
1124. Liann


For people who think they dodged the bullet...

Hurricane Ike hammers Texas
Sharron Almanza looks over what's left of buildings along the seawall in Galveston, Texas, after Hurricane Ike swept through.
September 13, 2008

Link
Yes, that's some damage...

Thanks for the link.
Quoting KRL:
Ike At Peak Intensity Video


Yeah, was gunna say...

Ike was at peak intensity in the middle of the ocean. How can they film that!?
Hi again. Real bad conection here going in and out. Thank you 4tmyers guy. And yes he is a colorful character. the thing with the evacuation of Jefferson n orange counties is that the coubties alone had to do the whole thing alone. All state resources were farther south.But i admre the local officials for calling the evac and mustering up every available bus,ambulance,car etc to get their people out.When I left thurs thy were waiting for promised state resourcs to finally show up.Hope they got them. As far as the power being worse than Rita, that is confirmed by the Entergy spokesperson. 115 of 198 of their mainlines were down. 2 of their plants are completely out of service the Sabine and Montgomery power stations. Its going to be a while. The motels and shelters up here are gearing up for the second wave of evacuees, those who rode out the storm down south and those who lost their homes up here. Sorry for the long post. Dont get too many chances on this connection.
The radar last night showed the Bolivar Peninsula/Crystal Beach area getting pounded by Ike. Now the aerial photos look bad. (There are a number of links to them in prior posts.)

Anyway, does anybody know of any reliable reports of how bad things are down there? I would think that if there were a tremendous amount of loss of loss of life and property the national news media would be on the story.
Quoting Cotillion:
Morning everyone.

Any news to report?


Major damage.
1131. RyanCRG
It seems like they are putting more coastal resources into Galveston due to the higher population, there are urban search and rescue crews going through Galveston on a 24hr basis now. I have hear very little about these kind of searches in Bolivar. Re: power outages, I have multiple sources saying it could take up to a month, not just one source, Also it's been 24hrs now, not "TODAY" anymore...

Quoting Taoskier:
The radar last night showed the Bolivar Peninsula/Crystal Beach area getting pounded by Ike. Now the aerial photos look bad. (There are a number of links to them in prior posts.)

Anyway, does anybody know of any reliable reports of how bad things are down there? I would think that if there were a tremendous amount of loss of loss of life and property the national news media would be on the story.
1132. RyanCRG
Assessments have been ongoing since planes could fly. You seem eager to argue. Go look at the news feeds, power companies, EOC's, and other sources.

Quoting Liann:


This is one guy's opinion, and not an informed opinion either.

#1, There is no damage assessment completed yet so the extent of repairs can't be determined.

#2, Repowering is done on a couple of bases: how easily repairs can be completed, and the highest priority objectives first. If you live near high priority objectives, such as refineries, police, hospital, city hall, a wealthy district (they own stock in the power company and you don't), then you will get power back first. If you live on a lonely country road it might be six weeks.

If your power outage is from a simple downed line, then you are in luck. If a pole transformer blew out then you have a wait because more transformers blew than they keep spares on hand. If it's because transmission tower fell and took down high voltage lines, then those will be fixed first.

Don't believe uncredentialed bloggers and rumor-mongers. Try to obtain multiple conformation of news sources. One source quoting another is not two sources but just one, the first one, whom may not be reliable.

They don't even have the roads cleared for assessing damages let alone have completed the first survey. In case you didn't notice they had a hurricane TODAY, hello? TODAY means, like, TODAY, get it? A Hurricane. Restoring power in the shambles is not the first and highest priority while people are still trapped in attics. By dark, today, they still didn't know if there were dead or injured in those two apartment buildings which collapsed in Galveston.
Quoting Taoskier:
The radar last night showed the Bolivar Peninsula/Crystal Beach area getting pounded by Ike. Now the aerial photos look bad. (There are a number of links to them in prior posts.)

Anyway, does anybody know of any reliable reports of how bad things are down there? I would think that if there were a tremendous amount of loss of loss of life and property the national news media would be on the story.
I can only say what ive heard about the final outcome. that it was bad. Hvent been able to get pics or vid because of the connection. But Wed. night there was a mndatory evac fr Bolivar except for High Island which was deemed safe because it usually is.Thursday afternoon people were being rescued by helicopters from Bolivar. I can only assume it was hIgh island residents but dont know for sure. i hope they all gor out safely. As you say it looked pretty grim. Te video i saw they were hoisting someone into the chopper while ther truck and a dumptruck were being tossed around in the surf below. That was 15 hours before landfall.
1134. RyanCRG
Recovery/cleanup/power restoration/urban search and rescue are all ongoing on a 24hr basis right now.
Hopefully, there will be better info forth coming today.

FWIW there are 700 Progress Energy workers from NC, SC and FL heading south-west at 7am this morning. I know when we have been down here, what a glorious sight it was to see those big trucks rolling in to help. Of course there is a vast area to cover and bring assistance to.
1136. RyanCRG
We will likely see a MASSIVE response over the next week. Not only due to the magnitude of the disaster, but remember it's an election year, and it's Bush's home state...
Its so hard not knowing whats going on at home. As far as the media coverage dont use that as a yardstick to the damage done. Smaller towns get less coverage no matter what. A fact im finding more frustrating by the minute. If at all possible Im going to try to get into Orange county later today. My husband has a first responder hologram to get back in. Hes not police or firefighter but manages that big W store and they supply the first responders. Someone mentioned hving a huge bbq. Thats what my husbands store did during Rita. The first responders ate well then. I dont know how my area will survive this one. Im sure we will but it is a hard way to live. It seems we've been pounded relentlessly since Rita. 2006 was the only break we got. Then Humberto last year, got the outter bands of Dolly,Eduard,evaced from Gustav and just received a glancing blow,Not two weeks later packed up did it all again. Dont mind me .Just tired and anxious about those who didnt leave. Thanks everyone for your concern.
1138. RyanCRG
Heavy rain is training across the Houston area. Possible 3-5 additional inches today. Flood advisories are still up because of this. After the rain ends late today we should finally see some cooler temps for SETX. Hope those who have roof damage have tarps handy...
Thoughts and prayers with you and yours, homelesswanderer!

Glad you made it, understand that you are tired and sad. Wish you strength and endurance!

Someone said earlier "#1, There is no damage assessment completed yet so the extent of repairs can't be determined."
On MS coast in 2005, red tape just got longer and and longer. If power problem was fixed somewhere up the line and yours came on...fine. If not power company wouldn't restore without ok from city official inspector. His office said they didn't do that. Finally however managed to get one over. Folks got a lot to overcome, and it's only begun
Im glad to hear about the round the clock rscue efforts.Election year or not. And thanks for letting everyone know about the Entergy workers headed down. Like I said hard to get info and the power was out all day. Cant watch tv right now so any news is appreciated. thanks.
homelesswander--I am glad you and your family are safe this morning and were able to get word about your home. These are the bad hours for people--not being able to get back to their homes to see for themselves. I wish you the best in the coming days.

I am sure there will be help coming in from all over the country. We have some in the works here in my little area of NC as well. People do care for the most part,

Hmmm Ryan, did you have to use the B word????
1143. RyanCRG
LOL I know what you mean about the "B" word, but I suppose it works in favor of the folks effected in TX, so maybe this ONE time it isn't so bad...
Quoting Tigerose:
homelesswander--I am glad you and your family are safe this morning and were able to get word about your home. These are the bad hours for people--not being able to get back to their homes to see for themselves. I wish you the best in the coming days.

I am sure there will be help coming in from all over the country. We have some in the works here in my little area of NC as well. People do care for the most part,

Hmmm Ryan, did you have to use the B word????
Thanks for the replies everyone. I guess we'll all have to wait to get a definitive assessment about the fate of Bolivar. I hope it is still recognizable, unlike the Mississippi Gulf Coast after Camille. Of course, Camille was a Cat 5, though it wasn't as large as Ike. I sure hope the lighthouse is still there. It deserves to be, having saved so many people during the 1900 storm. And speaking of people, it goes without saying that I hope the number of lives lost is minimal, if any lives were lost. However, if a large number did not evacuate, I'm afraid that, given what I've seen so far, some may not have made it through the night. Nevertheless, I'm hoping for the best.
Thank you Starwoman and Tigerrose. There were many who came from different states after Rita to help. My personal experiece with them was Two men from New Mexico who drove down here with their bulldozers and tractors and they cleared all of the bigger brush and smaller trees from our yard.They worked relentlessly and didnt want as much as a glass of water in return.They said that God told them to follow their hearts and thats what they did and thats all they needed.I'm crying about it now.But is a good memory. That kind of good did help cancel out all the bad that we know is coming again.So tell those people who are going to help,it means a lot. And thank you.
1146. RyanCRG
I don't consider this an entirely credible measurement but this rescue worker reported the following:

"Rescue teams with city of Galveston said they have helped 200 people in the last few days escape their flooded homes, said Pete Davis, chief of the Galveston Island Beach Patrol.

Davis said on Saturday he helped rescue an elderly woman and her family from a home on the far west end of the island where water appeared to have risen abut 20 feet during the storm.

He said the family told rescuers that during the storm they tried to swim out of their neighborhood but the water was too high so they returned to their house."
1147. RyanCRG
Right now I am simply passing along info from the local news. I'll keep doing this till around 8am, then I need sleep. Blog seems dead without yall Texans on here..

"Spokeswoman Alison Castle, said there had been 940 rescues of people stranded in homes, vehicles or other places. Most of those took place in Galveston and Orange counties, she said. How many people might still be isolated or missing is not known."
This figure is likely higher now, it was posted about 4-6 hours ago...
Ike was unbelieveable! 60 miles from the coast and we have flooding from the storm surge here in Sulphur (9 miles west of lake charles and 60 miles north from the coast). Some homes a block and a half from me have water in them. Crossing over the Lake Charles I-10 bridge on our way home yesterday afternoon was astounding. The flooding is way worst than Rita. According to friends who decided to stay, there was very little rain here so all the flooding is due to storm surge.
Thanks for the replies everyone. I guess we'll all have to wait to get a definitive assessment about the fate of Bolivar. I hope it is still recognizable, unlike the Mississippi Gulf Coast after Camille. Of course, Camille was a Cat 5, though it wasn't as large as Ike. I sure hope the lighthouse is still there. It deserves to be, having saved so many people during the 1900 storm. And speaking of people, it goes without saying that I hope the number of lives lost is minimal, if any lives were lost. However, if a large number did not evacuate, I'm afraid that, given what I've seen so far, some may not have made it through the night. Nevertheless, I'm hoping for the best.
1151. RyanCRG
I believe a lot more people evacuated than was originally thought, mostly due to seeing how early and high the water was coming up on the news or seeing it themselves. This is a good, hopefully they did get scared and left before it was too late...
Blog Hole?
Updated blog with Invest 91&92
Thanks Ryan. And get some sleep when you can. The updates are appreciated. There were people in Rose City in Orange county who swam to safety from their homes.Dont know how many acually did that but I talked to a couple of them today by cell. They are my nieces friends. Im glad they made it. Another report from Vidor in Orange county. Another friend had a tree thru his home but didnt want to deal with it so he went back to bed. LOL. We may be ok after all.
I think the lack of posters is due to just being worn out from the last couple of weeks of active storms.

Those of us who live in areas that experience canes, follow closely out of concern and worry for those that are in harms way. It's that way for me anyway, before during and after I stay glued to try and get all the info I can---with the hope it is better than it looks!
Thanks for the replies everyone. I guess we'll all have to wait to get a definitive assessment about the fate of Bolivar. I hope it is still recognizable, unlike the Mississippi Gulf Coast after Camille. Of course, Camille was a Cat 5, though it wasn't as large as Ike. I sure hope the lighthouse is still there. It deserves to be, having saved so many people during the 1900 storm. And speaking of people, it goes without saying that I hope the number of lives lost is minimal, if any lives were lost. However, if a large number did not evacuate, I'm afraid that, given what I've seen so far, some may not have made it through the night. Nevertheless, I'm hoping for the best.
Quoting Tigerose:
I think the lack of posters is due to just being worn out from the last couple of weeks of active storms.

Those of us who live in areas that experience canes, follow closely out of concern and worry for those that are in harms way. It's that way for me anyway, before during and after I stay glued to try and get all the info I can---with the hope it is better than it looks!


That is true, and it's looking like we won't see Kyle for a couple of weeks yet, giving everyone a chance to refresh themselves, get some additional sleep, and places like Haiti to dry off somewhat.
Thanks for the replies everyone. I guess we'll all have to wait to get a definitive assessment about the fate of Bolivar. I hope it is still recognizable, unlike the Mississippi Gulf Coast after Camille. Of course, Camille was a Cat 5, though it wasn't as large as Ike. I sure hope the lighthouse is still there. It deserves to be, having saved so many people during the 1900 storm. And speaking of people, it goes without saying that I hope the number of lives lost is minimal, if any lives were lost. However, if a large number did not evacuate, I'm afraid that, given what I've seen so far, some may not have made it through the night. Nevertheless, I'm hoping for the best.
Link

Here's story out of today's Gulfport paper about aftermath with contractors. Many problems still which TX folks will be having. Three years after Katrina.
Jeeez Cotillion, pleeez don't even say the word--Kyle:( I know we have a long way to go yet---but it would be nice if we could just shut down the 'water route'.
Thanks for the replies everyone. I guess we'll all have to wait to get a definitive assessment about the fate of Bolivar. I hope it is still recognizable, unlike the Mississippi Gulf Coast after Camille. Of course, Camille was a Cat 5, though it wasn't as large as Ike. I sure hope the lighthouse is still there. It deserves to be, having saved so many people during the 1900 storm. And speaking of people, it goes without saying that I hope the number of lives lost is minimal, if any lives were lost. However, if a large number did not evacuate, I'm afraid that, given what I've seen so far, some may not have made it through the night. Nevertheless, I'm hoping for the best.
taoskier,more news should be coming today. Even when all officals are prepared and ready---there is always some confusion ect right after when there is such a large area of concern.

I grew quite disgusted yesterday that all some could talk about during coverage were the windows blown out of high rises in downtown Houston.

Yea,there will be all type of 'workers' swarming---to take your money. Anyone with a pick up and chain saw will be in the area to cut your trees for a price close to robbery.
I think many bloggers are sleeping/resting. Quit a lot stayed awake during landfall and the hours before and after, to give support to those in the storm.

Later on there will be more traffic.
Quoting Tigerose:
Jeeez Cotillion, pleeez don't even say the word--Kyle:( I know we have a long way to go yet---but it would be nice if we could just shut down the 'water route'.


Yeah, folks have suffered enough already this year. Establish a route out to sea would be great. Maybe we should put a sign out near Barbados, or the Turks and Caicos... 'Route closed. Diversion that way.'
1164. RyanCRG
Houston/Harris Co. will have another press conference at 11am CDT. Centerpoint has made progress primarily in the West. 7,000 linemen arrive beginning today. You may have already heard Houston's water pump was fixed, boil water notice is still in effect until tests return, likely to be lifted sometime Monday if tests come back ok. Electric/water/gas Assessment began yesterday by helicopter. Flash Flood WARNING now in effect for parts of Harris CO. due to this latest round of rain. (Northern Harris and Liberty) Rain is slow moving.
Thanks for the replies everyone. I guess we'll all have to wait to get a definitive assessment about the fate of Bolivar. I hope it is still recognizable, unlike the Mississippi Gulf Coast after Camille. Of course, Camille was a Cat 5, though it wasn't as large as Ike. I sure hope the lighthouse is still there. It deserves to be, having saved so many people during the 1900 storm. And speaking of people, it goes without saying that I hope the number of lives lost is minimal, if any lives were lost. However, if a large number did not evacuate, I'm afraid that, given what I've seen so far, some may not have made it through the night. Nevertheless, I'm hoping for the best.
1166. RyanCRG
Valero at Kirkwood and Westhiemer has gas, very long lines however.
1167. RyanCRG
HEB Stores opening today at 6am. Non-perishable foods but no produce. Regular store hours.
1168. RyanCRG
The Urban Search and Rescue Teams have been going door to door all night on foot in Galveston. People who are being found have been being taken to a shelter. Red Cross relief centers are opening. Officials plan on trying to set a time table today for restoration of Water/Electric services, although it will likely take a long time. The Balanese (sp?) room was destroyed. No new figures to report as far as rescues and deaths.
I just posted a new Tropical Update if anyone would like to review.......

TampaSpin's Tropical Update Link
Proverbial salt in the wound for Houston. Now a cold front comes through the metro area with thunderstorms. Cloud tops on these storms are up to 55,000 feet.
Quoting Roxanne:


After Charlie we had a huge neighborhood barbeque to use up some meat and then consolidated the remainder into one freezer to be kept cold using a generator periodically to keep the temp cold. That year, I bought a solar freezer. I am sure a lot of people are just shell shocked right now.
could you tell us more about the solar freezer? Tanks
1172. RyanCRG
A reminder, please be aware that Flooding is still happening in the areas effected by Ike this morning. Flood Warnings have been issued through this morning. Heavy Stationary Rain is falling along the Houston area from SW to NE and in the Bay area.
1173. IKE
I see nothing on the horizon for the next week. The 00Z ECMWF does show a small system in the west and SW GOM in about 9-10 days. The 06Z GFS shows a system in the western Caribbean and the southern GOM in about a week. Looks like the western Caribbean/GOM is the hot spot in 2008***no-brainer***

77 days left and it's over.
1174. RyanCRG
Reporters say the smell of fuel in the bay and adjacent areas is very very strong.
1175. RyanCRG
Morning Ike, I bet people just cannot wait for those 77 days to be over with. Hope you don't plan on going to Texas soon, you might see some resentment lol

Quoting IKE:
I see nothing on the horizon for the next week. The 00Z ECMWF does show a small system in the west and SW GOM in about 9-10 days. The 06Z GFS shows a system in the western Caribbean and the southern GOM in about a week. Looks like the western Caribbean/GOM is the hot spot in 2008***no-brainer***

77 days left and it's over.
1176. IKE
Quoting RyanCRG:
Morning Ike, I bet people just cannot wait for those 77 days to be over with. Hope you don't plan on going to Texas soon, you might see some resentment lol



No...I'm staying here in the Florida panhandle.

I know StormW was talking about the GOM being a possibility in the coming days. Looks like he may be right again.

Texas has had....

Dolly.
Edouard.
IKE.

I'm sure folks out that way are just sick of storms. I have a feeling the next one may be in the GOM again.
I'm actually thinking Kyle will be out in the Atlantic, or a spin off from a cold front.

I'm thinking Laura and Marco might be in the Gulf and Caribbean, though.

Just my gut talkin'.
Wow, looks like things are going to give people a little time to recover from the storms...good news
Nice to see a quiet Atlantic and blog. Trolls crawl back in their holes and peace reigns until the next storm (hopefully, weeks away)
Agree on the GOM, the waters have cooled in the CV area, but have increased in the "hot spots" around the GOM. Might get a fluke as was suggested (cut off Low, etc.)but maybe we can skate awhile.
1180. IKE
I hadn't even looked out in the CATL. It's getting later in the season. Odds of anything making it over to the USA from that region are starting to decrease. There may be a system that develops out there, but I was talking in terms of a system threatening the USA.
1181. IKE
Quoting papasturgeon:
Nice to see a quiet Atlantic and blog. Trolls crawl back in their holes and peace reigns until the next storm (hopefully, weeks away)
Agree on the GOM, the waters have cooled in the CV area, but have increased in the "hot spots" around the GOM. Might get a fluke as was suggested (cut off Low, etc.)but maybe we can skate awhile.


Skateaway
1182. IKE
Tuesday night forecast for Mobile,AL>.......

Tuesday Night
Partly cloudy. Lows in the upper 50s. .............


Ah yes.....cooler weather....lower humidity!!!!!!!
Hi all, I live about 100 miles due wnw of Bolivar/Galveston area, did not get much rain and about 50 mph winds. There is much destruction in and around Houston, Galveston, Bolivar Peninsula and areas close to there. The Reliant Arena sustained damage to the retractable roof. The last I heard from local news the toll was 4. This might be diffrent as this hour, but i think officials dont really know the exact number yet. I thank God my home was spared, and my heart goes out to all the victims of this massive storm. Crystal beach is almost non existant, the photos are heart wrenching. Me and my family evacuated to the north, my brothers house in Gatesville, Tx, because i have 4 kids and i live in a mobile home. we barely got the edge of the storm. Just like any hurricane it will take time to assess and clean up and repair. God Bless Texas.
Quoting bluenosedave:
I don't know if this has been mentioned already, but the Daily Kos is following the story of the inmates in the Galveston Jail who were basically abandoned to ride out the storm.

Link

No idea yet if there were any casualties there.


1022....Thank you for sharing this link and information. I tried to address the Galveston County Jail inmate issue last night, and the blog ate my post. I was too tried to re-write it.

I am enraged by the fact that these over 1000 people were left in this facility, regardless of what was to come to them with IKE. I see this as an intolerable human rights violation, and the matter should certainly be looked at further.

Doesn't any governmental authority who was involved in decision-making for the Islands have a reasonable IQ? I can't even address this issue properly. I am speechless!!
12000 to 13000 homes flooded in Terrebonne
Parish accordeing to Local Gov.
Homes with 10 to 12 foot elavation had
5 to 6 foot of water in them.
and this storm was a two and passed 150 miles
south of us. water came in shore as far as 13
miles. Protection Leves would be nice in this
area, Local TV station filmed the after math.Link
Quoting homelesswanderer:
Im glad to hear about the round the clock rscue efforts.Election year or not. And thanks for letting everyone know about the Entergy workers headed down. Like I said hard to get info and the power was out all day. Cant watch tv right now so any news is appreciated. thanks.


Check your radio. After Gustav I could pick up the local TV stations on my radio and keep up to date on the round-the-clock coverage of it.
1187. RyanCRG
Alright guys, I'm signing out for now, ready to head home from work and get some sleep now.
A good resource for you:
http://www.livenewscameras.com/map.html
When a mandatory evacuation order is issued, those foolish enough to stay behind should have to reimburse the agency responsible for risking their patriotic life and limb to save their foolish existence. Accidents are accidents, but hurricane hold-outs, mountain climbing or open water sailing by novices who don't check weather reports is no accident. Emergency rescue personnel are the most underpaid people on this planet. I think they deserve better.
I wonder if this Front here will split off and form a Low, looks like it might.
Quoting StormW:
Hey gang,

Doesn't look like I'll be forecasting for the next few days or so. My computer just all of a sudden shut down and now it won't start. I'm on my fiancees PC...but all my stuff is on my PC.


Assuming this is a hardware issue with the PC and not a corrupt Windows install or a loose power cable:

The most common problem is burst capacitors on the motherboard. Look for cylindrical components on the main circuit board that have swelled (domed top) and/or burst. They are about as wide as a pencil and about half as tall as a AAA battery.

2nd, burnt out power supply. Check for a burnt electronics smell from the exhaust fan of the power supply in the back of the PC. A faint smell just means it probably overheated at some point and is likely still working.

3rd, loose component (memory, expansion card). The only way you can really check for this if it is not obvious is to reseat the part in the case and see if that fixes it.

4th, lightning damaged modem or network card. The card will usually, but not always have burnt components, expecially at the jack. Believe it or not, most computers survive a strike. But, if it gets hit, the card is toast.

Alright, I guess I'll let it be from there. This isn't a support forum.
1191. 996tt
Th news is so full of Schadenfreude. They were just getting so excite to find houses that wee completely gone. The intonation and inflection in her voice asking ho many houses were completely gone" and we he said ten, she sounded disappointed and pointed out that there may be other they just don't know about.

Good luck with clean up and the days to come. Hang in there. God I know who it is when the adrenaline is gone and reality sets in. It will get better.
1192. Vero1
ZCZC MIATWOAT ALL
TTAA00 KNHC DDHHMM
TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
800 AM EDT SUN SEP 14 2008

FOR THE NORTH ATLANTIC...CARIBBEAN SEA AND THE GULF OF MEXICO...

THE NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER HAS ISSUED ITS LAST ADVISORY ON
TROPICAL DEPRESSION IKE...WHICH IS CURRENTLY MERGING WITH A FRONTAL
ZONE IN SOUTHEASTERN MISSOURI. FUTURE ADVISORIES ON THE
EXTRATROPICAL REMNANTS OF IKE WILL BE ISSUED BY THE
HYDROMETEOROLOGICAL PREDICTION CENTER IN WASHINGTON DC.

1. A TROPICAL WAVE LOCATED ABOUT 800 MILES EAST OF THE LEEWARD ISLANDS
IS PRODUCING DISORGANIZED SHOWER ACTIVITY AS IT MOVES
WEST-NORTHWESTWARD AT ABOUT 15 MPH. SIGNIFICANT DEVELOPMENT OF
THIS SYSTEM DURING THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS APPEARS UNLIKELY DUE TO
STRONG UPPER-LEVEL WINDS.

ELSEWHERE...TROPICAL CYCLONE FORMATION IS NOT EXPECTED DURING THE
NEXT 48 HOURS.

Quoting AirTrafficMan:
Proverbial salt in the wound for Houston. Now a cold front comes through the metro area with thunderstorms. Cloud tops on these storms are up to 55,000 feet.


Lucky for them, their "wound" was only a little scratch.
1194. 996tt
Quoting theshepherd:
When a mandatory evacuation order is issued, those foolish enough to stay behind should have to reimburse the agency responsible for riskinTg their patriotic life and limb to save their foolish existence. Accidents are accidents, but hurricane hold-outs, mountain climbing or open water sailing by novices who don't check weather reports is no accident. Emergency rescue personnel are the most underpaid people on this planet. I think they deserve better.


This is America and people have the right to be dumb and think for themselves and the right to remain on and with their property. The things you wish for have such slippery slopes. The people I know in rescue actually enjoy performing rescues. I had a buddy who even used to perform rescues for the coast guard in Alaska and he liked going out even in the freezing waters.

If you really need a structured life, need people to tell you what to do, how to think and how to act, move to a communist or dictator run country or I guess vote Republican and maybe will we get their eventually. BTW, that is a joke.
To all those affected in Texas.....Goddess bless you in your clean-up and recovery. Florida Power and Light is sending trucks your way to help in the recovery effort according to news here in WPB. Will be there by Tuesday.

D :-)
lol @ lol, she had a problem with an "odor" in her garage. Turned to be 300# of meat in a freezer that hadn't worked in 6 months. That stink could go through sheet metal.
Oops, also those of you in Louisiana, too! Goddess bless you all!

D :-)
1198. LLHi
StormW, I'm sorry to see you have computer problems. Hope they get cleared up soon. We look forward to your weather work.
Quoting IKE:
Tuesday night forecast for Mobile,AL>.......

Tuesday Night
Partly cloudy. Lows in the upper 50s. .............


Ah yes.....cooler weather....lower humidity!!!!!!!

The people in Texas could use some cooler weather. Hope they get some.
“Certain death”

When government officials use words like that and then people live doe’s it make it easer for other people to just ignore the next evacuation order.

Perhaps something more like

“Extreme immanent danger with the probability of death. Even IF you survive this experience you will never want to again.”

Just saw a picture of a mom and her kids in a law boat being taken away. She stayed in the house and the first floor went under water.

Any thoughts?

Morning all.

Lots of bloggers not posting, but I bet many still are reading. I'm still concerned about the lack of news from the area east of Galveston, but I am beginning to hope that is because almost everybody got off the Bolivar Peninsula before the worst of the storm hit.

I'm also concerned about the news of flooding in LA. Poor Terrebone and other parishes! They barely escaped from Gustav, and now this. I hope the W LA residents have homes to come back to. . .
We went thru Wilma, 1 week without power. We were lucky to have a coldfront come thru.
92 is hanging in there moving west. ex 91 has gone to ex invest heaven thankfully.
It's race against time to save Ike stalwartsBy CHRISTOPHER SHERMAN – 41 minutes ago

GALVESTON, Texas (AP) — Rescue crews canvassed neighborhoods inundated by Ike's storm surge early Sunday morning, racing against time to save those who spent a second harrowing night trapped amid flattened houses, strewn debris and downed power lines.

. . .

On one side of the Galveston peninsula, a couple of barges had broken loose and smashed into homes. Everything from red vinyl barstools to clay roof tiles littered the landscape. Some homes were "pancaked," the second floor sitting where the first had been before Ike's surge washed it out. Only the stud frames remained below the roofs of many houses, opening a clear view from front yard to back.

Gov. Rick Perry's office said 940 people had been saved by nightfall Saturday, but that thousands had made distress calls the night before. Another 600 were rescued from flooding in neighboring Louisiana.

"What's really frustrating is that we can't get to them," Galveston police officer Tommie Mafrei said. "It's jeopardizing our safety when we try to tell them eight hours before to leave. They are naive about it, thinking it's not going to be that bad."


Link
Quoting SOUTHFL43YRS:
We went thru Wilma, 1 week without power. We were lucky to have a coldfront come thru.
Quoting SOUTHFL43YRS:
We went thru Wilma, 1 week without power. We were lucky to have a coldfront come thru.



I remember that . Also it was the first time (53 yrs) that I had ever seen South Florida completely dark at night.What a sight !!!!!!
Quoting BahaHurican:
Morning all.

Lots of bloggers not posting, but I bet many still are reading. I'm still concerned about the lack of news from the area east of Galveston, but I am beginning to hope that is because almost everybody got off the Bolivar Peninsula before the worst of the storm hit.

I'm also concerned about the news of flooding in LA. Poor Terrebone and other parishes! They barely escaped from Gustav, and now this. I hope the W LA residents have homes to come back to. . .

Hi Baha...Looks like there are going to be some casualties, judging from the number of people that stayed and these stories from survivors. Link
1208. c93
remnants of ike hitting us hard in st.louis, numerous power outages and water rescues taking place
1209. SEFL
Quoting stormstricken:


1022....Thank you for sharing this link and information. I tried to address the Galveston County Jail inmate issue last night, and the blog ate my post. I was too tried to re-write it.

I am enraged by the fact that these over 1000 people were left in this facility, regardless of what was to come to them with IKE. I see this as an intolerable human rights violation, and the matter should certainly be looked at further.

Doesn't any governmental authority who was involved in decision-making for the Islands have a reasonable IQ? I can't even address this issue properly. I am speechless!!


You might want to get a better source than a blogger to check the facts. It was stated early on that the authorities would not announce any information about plans to move the prisoners, for obvious reasons.
Good morning everyone,
I am hoping for information today on the status of survivors...I am watching closely this blog and news reports but so far I see nothing... I really appreciate the info and especially the links that people post on this blog... I think Tigerose put it quite well....
1154. Tigerose
Those of us who live in areas that experience canes, follow closely out of concern and worry for those that are in harms way. It's that way for me anyway, before during and after I stay glued to try and get all the info I can---with the hope it is better than it looks!


Quoting c93:
remnants of ike hitting us hard in st.louis, numerous power outages and water rescues taking place


You North or South? Hell, doesn't matter, I have folks all over up there
1212. jmemon
I'm hoping there will be a discussion on the IKE scale and it's effectiveness as a predictive tool. At first glance it seems that it was not: the forecast 20 ft storm surge was far different from the actual 13.5 ft storm surge. (And thank God for that).
I know this IKE model is still being developed. It is a great idea to be able to accurately predict the storm surge.
Quoting BahaHurican:
Morning all.

Lots of bloggers not posting, but I bet many still are reading. I'm still concerned about the lack of news from the area east of Galveston,...


You are right. Those of us concerned about communities on the coastal areas of LA and TX affected by Ike are still reading the blog.

Quotes from Another AP Article:

"More than 3 million were without power in Texas at the height of the storm, and it could be weeks before it is fully restored. Utilities made some progress by late Saturday, and lights returned to parts of Houston. In Louisiana, battered by both Ike and Labor Day's Hurricane Gustav, 180,000 homes and businesses were without power.

Storm surge that crawled some 30 miles inland in Louisiana flooded tens of thousands of homes. A levee broke and some 13,000 buildings flooded in Terrebonne Parish, 200 miles from Texas. More than 160 people had to be saved from floodwaters near Lake Charles.

Though emergency crews were frustrated by those who stayed behind, weary residents of East Texas' swamplands and Big Piney Woods were beginning to feel that whatever decision they make about a Gulf hurricane is wrong.

In 2005, they were battered by Hurricane Rita, a powerful September storm that ripped pine trees from their roots, smashed trailer- and wood-frame homes and left them in what has become a perpetual state of disrepair with the trademark FEMA blue tarps still visible over some.

Wary of another such disaster, they listened when authorities told them to get out of Gustav's way last week. They spent days in north Texas shelters or doled out precious dollars on hotels and gas while their homes received nothing more than a mild shower.

This time around, thousands ignored the mandatory evacuation order and were sucker-punched by the stronger side of Ike."

Article Citation:

Rescuing Ike stalwarts a race against the clock

By CHRISTOPHER SHERMAN (Associated Press Writer)
From Associated Press
September 14, 2008 6:45 AM EDT

Link
1214. SaoFeng
Bolivar peninsula before:



After IKE:

Good morning. Does anyone know if the Galveston County Daily News is publishing? It appears their web site is not functioning. Are they still in the building near the causeway? CNN had extended video a short while ago showing the damage along the Bolivar Peninsula. High Island was surrounded by water. Sadly, the devastation is extensive.
“Certain death”

When government officials use words like that and then people live doe’s it make it easer for other people to just ignore the next evacuation order.

Perhaps something more like

“Extreme immanent danger with the probability of death. Even IF you survive this experience you will never want to again.”

Just saw a picture of a mom and her kids in a law boat being taken away. She stayed in the house and the first floor went under water.

Any thoughts?

WOW... is all i have to say...

i live about 15 miles east of St. louis and we are currently about 100 miles ne of the center. I woke recently to dicover that all of my plants were totally soaked, moved then all into the garage, and then came down here. Well, the peak SUSTAINED winds here was 35, gusts? i dont know... solid horizantile rain for the last 5 hours, im saying 3+ inches...

Forecasted to rain the remainder of the day. well, after seeing 35 mph i dont want to see 100mph winds... very scary
Quoting CybrTeddy:
I wonder if this Front here will split off and form a Low, looks like it might.


what would that cause?
Quoting Autistic2:
“Certain death”

When government officials use words like that and then people live doe’s it make it easer for other people to just ignore the next evacuation order.

Perhaps something more like

“Extreme immanent danger with the probability of death. Even IF you survive this experience you will never want to again.”

Just saw a picture of a mom and her kids in a law boat being taken away. She stayed in the house and the first floor went under water.

Any thoughts?



Certain Death is possible.
1202....Wilma indeed took it's toll. As a GC when I was dispatched to Ft Lauderdale, I found a sea of blue roof's.
To the residents affected by Ike: Make sure you hire a Liscensed GC to oversee extensive roof or other structural repairs. Cool weather and low humidity will help with comfort and somewhat delay mold growth. Mold growth is a dangerous health risk and if you are wet it will definetly grow sooner or later. If you were submerged or suffered considerable roof damage, go ahead and bite the bullet,take the wet sheetrock and insulation off the walls or ceilings, throw out the carpet, spray it down with bleach ASAP and have a liscensed electrician check out your circuits. You only get one chance with electricity....And wear a mask.
Quoting c93:
remnants of ike hitting us hard in st.louis, numerous power outages and water rescues taking place

where are you in stl?
1222. c93
Quoting Stlouiskid:
Quoting c93:
remnants of ike hitting us hard in st.louis, numerous power outages and water rescues taking place

where are you in stl?


st. charles
Quoting PELLSPROG:



I remember that . Also it was the first time (53 yrs) that I had ever seen South Florida completely dark at night.What a sight !!!!!!


The hurricane of 1973 was very similar to Wilma. The same track across Florida, just a little north. Like Wilma, this hurricane pulled down some cooler air behind it. When my ggGrandfather, wife and son crawled out from under the 12 ft boat they had taken shelter under, in the swamp inbetween Jupiter and Lake Worth, they found "robin's egg blue" skies. Just like what "I" had here after Wilma (Jensen Beach) an aside, the 1873 storm pulled down so much cooler air that Nola, got frost.. and that stopped a yellow fever epidemic that was just getting started.

I do a "living history" presentation where I assume the character of my ggGrandfather, in period(1883) and I tell the story I just related to you in length. It makes it so much easier when afterwards, after I come out of character, I explain the similarities to Wilma.. the whole audience will be bobbing their heads in agreement.. fun stuff. I also compare the hurricanes of 1878 with Francis Jeanne. Gramps was caught in transit from grocery run to the nearest trading post... 165 miles EACH way by small sailboat from Hypoluxo Island on Lake Worth to John Joiners trading post in Titusville.
Quoting Stlouiskid:


what would that cause?


Cyclonegenisis. Half the storms in a season are born this way, other being Cape Verde. The Strongest storms forum from Africa, but the strongest Atlantic System formed from a Cold Front (Wilma)
I've talked to my friends in Sugarland. They're without power and lost their fence and some shingles as well as some trees, they they're okay. I talked to my friend who was evacuated from Brazoria Co. and she still can't get back in, but she talked to someone in her area that stayed--no power there as well, downed trees, but her house is in tact. My boss talked to his son who rode out the storm in Galveston. No power, flooded really bad and the boy is confined to his home as he cannot get out, but he's okay. I think cell phones are not working very well because of the amount of calls going in and out of the Ike stricken area. Also, I have a friend who is a dispatcher for AEP Electric. She's working double shifts right now. She said it's crazy busy.
Quoting c93:


st. charles


Oh cool, i play soccer at the SLYSA flields in st charles
Quoting CybrTeddy:


Cyclonegenisis. Half the storms in a season are born this way, other being Cape Verde. The Strongest storms forum from Africa, but the strongest Atlantic System formed from a Cold Front (Wilma)

it would then become, im assuming since is over land, extratropical?
signing out now....after my montage of posts
The only thing extreme about Ike was its size. Apart from that, Ike was just a strong cat 2 hurricane and the wind damage and storm surge consistent with that.

If he'd had an extra day to strengthen up to a cat 4, then it might have been catastrophic.
1223. indianrivguy... Haven't been over your way since May of this year. If you know, how did Fay affect the fish health and activety? We were catching and releasing monster snook and trout in the Lagoon. "Normaly" the snook wil be holding way back in cover this time of year.
Quoting Beachfoxx:
One more thing before I drift off to dreamland.

Personally, I value the info from WU, Dr. Masters and NHC. They forecasts they present are concise and informative and as accurate as a weather forecast can be... the media often distorts the info into sensational news which brings more viewers and creates a sense of panic.

I would NEVER discredit NHC, WU or Dr. Masters for the jobs they do.

However, I repeat, we who live in Hurricane prone areas have to take responsibility for ourselves. Know your landscape, know the history for flooding in your area, understand the effects of wind on your property,pay attention, be smart and ALWAYS be prepared for the worst case scenario.





beachfoxx,

My apologies. Like many here, I've been following the news from Texas and fatigue has set in. It was a post from incarnate I was addressing. I found a portion of it here:

Quoting Incarnate:
Once again, more doomcasting from Jeff Masters. After waiting for a full day after the storms passage to see what death and destruction Ike wrought, is anyone really surprised that Ike`s bark was worse than its bite. So far maybe 1 or 2 casualties....? Far from the "certain death" that was predicted by Masters and most of the mainstream media. Where was the 25 ft storm surge? So the 15 ft seawall held....Masters seems almost dissappointed that Galveston was not destroyed. Just 50 miles to the northeast was the highest surge..... Whats next....inches? Also peak winds were in the 60 to 70 mph range? Ah, but theres this from Masters....."An experimental wind analysis done by NOAA's Hurricane Research Division suggests that Category 2 force winds probably only affected a 40-mile stretch of coast northeast of Galveston. There were no weather stations there to record these peak winds." How convenient. So far this year...three "certain death storms".....more like three big misfires. Now come on flamers, show me what you got...



1232. tkeith
Quoting Floodman:


You North or South? Hell, doesn't matter, I have folks all over up there
...mornin Floodman, StormW is havin computer problems. ya think you can help him out?...lol... Old Mandeville got alot of water with Ike.
Quoting BahaHurican:
Morning all.

but I am beginning to hope that is because almost everybody got off the Bolivar Peninsula before the worst of the storm hit . .
Yesterday I had heard that there were high water rescues on the bolivar peninsula and at high island because they both became inundated hours before landfall.
Quoting Stlouiskid:

it would then become, im assuming since is over land, extratropical?


No, half the time they are sub-Tropical, other times they form Fully Tropical.
Quoting c93:


st. charles


C93...my sister is in Cottleville. How are things there?
1237. aquak9
theshepard: hope you see this.

Those folks who refused to leave under mandatory evac, those folks who even now are still being rescued, at the time, cost, and personal endangerment of the rescue personel...

Those folks need to give BACK to their community. They can donate blood, become organ donors, work at the warehouses, enlist time to the clean-up effort....

For their lives and their safety, those folks OWE. No, not punishment...no one should be punished for being stupid. But they can and should give back to their communities.
Everybody pay attention to the blowup of storms in the southern carribbean.It should be our next invest as shown by the fsu model
Death toll: so far officially 4, but I have heard of 2 others that haven't been added to the list.
Good morning, all. New blog update. Fire831rescue's wunderblog
Quoting theshepherd:
1223. indianrivguy... Haven't been over your way since May of this year. If you know, how did Fay affect the fish health and activety? We were catching and releasing monster snook and trout in the Lagoon. "Normaly" the snook wil be holding way back in cover this time of year.


The lower end where I am at took a beating. The St. Lucie watershed got about ten inches all over it so we were ennundated with nasty fresh water, THEN, water managers started dumping Okeechobee water on us and it is killing everything that can't run. The turbity is horrible so no light energy is getting to the "barely recovered from Francis /Jeanne" grass flats. We could recover just fine but for the mess that big sugar has created by plugging up the natural sheet flow from the lake to Florida Bay. It took three years for the grass flats behind my house to seriously begin recovery, and now Okeechobee water is turning it into a desert again.
I'm going to start searching for info for the area east of Galveston Bay. If anybody has info for me , specifically for Hamshire, Fannet, Winnie, and Anahuac, please contact me through my mailbox.
I drove to Houston yesterday AM and got almost to Galveston.....the Orange, TX area has been hit very hard, so has Beaumont, but the area of consistent damage of say a Cat 1 wind is ENORMOUS and stretches from NOLA to Houston, that is 350 miles.

There was not nearly the flooding I expected close to Houston in the Galveston Bay, although the surge got Bolivar (on the beach) and Galveston....basically localized events.

Wind damage in Houston was tropical storm variety, but N E of Houston there is a great area of rural counties that are going to have longterm problems.
I am in Brazoria Tx sitting in my office. I lost power at home and most of the area did. I guess I am lucky, had my travel tailer parked at the office so I have water and a/c. But my 2 dogs are a little bit antsy. Yesterday morning I drove around the area and saw lots of trees down but very little damage to structures.
The San Bernard river barely got out of its banks, so we were very lucky in that aspect.
charleysurvivor....gotta link to that please?
thanks,
mike
corpus christi........
1246. Fargin
Been watching that one for the last hour, Charlie.
Quoting Stlouiskid:
WOW... is all i have to say...

i live about 15 miles east of St. louis and we are currently about 100 miles ne of the center. I woke recently to dicover that all of my plants were totally soaked, moved then all into the garage, and then came down here. Well, the peak SUSTAINED winds here was 35, gusts? i dont know... solid horizantile rain for the last 5 hours, im saying 3 inches...

Forecasted to rain the remainder of the day. well, after seeing 35 mph i dont want to see 100mph winds... very scary


We have already obliterated the daily rainfall record for today and will likely do the same for the monthly rainfall record, now less than an inch away from it. Close to obliterating the annual record as well, just a few inches away now.

Also, as for 100 mph winds, that happened in 2006.

PS: I don't know if you know about it, but you can find local weather information on my blog (you can also click my handle to go to it, same for anybody else's).
1248. RyanCRG
I-45 DON'T TRY TO DRIVE ON IT!!
CARS ARE FLOODED AND STALLED IN THE WATER.
I see are next td forming in the BOC area!!!!...
Quoting InsuranceBizz:
charleysurvivor....gotta link to that please?
thanks,
mike
corpus christi........
Florida state models page www.moe.met.fsu.edu/tcgenigifs
Has anyone heard about the freighter with 22 crew members who were stalled prior to IKE landfall that Coast Guard could not rescue?
Good Morning all...

SeaWitch, No problem... we are all tired, hurricane fatigue takes its toll on all of us.

My prayers and thoughts are w/ TX, LA and any others effected by Ike.

Quoting seawitch1261:


beachfoxx,

My apologies. Like many here, I've been following the news from Texas and fatigue has set in. It was a post from incarnate I was addressing. I found a portion of it here:

Quoting Incarnate:
Once again, more doomcasting from Jeff Masters. After waiting for a full day after the storms passage to see what death and destruction Ike wrought, is anyone really surprised that Ike`s bark was worse than its bite. So far maybe 1 or 2 casualties....? Far from the "certain death" that was predicted by Masters and most of the mainstream media. Where was the 25 ft storm surge? So the 15 ft seawall held....Masters seems almost dissappointed that Galveston was not destroyed. Just 50 miles to the northeast was the highest surge..... Whats next....inches? Also peak winds were in the 60 to 70 mph range? Ah, but theres this from Masters....."An experimental wind analysis done by NOAA's Hurricane Research Division suggests that Category 2 force winds probably only affected a 40-mile stretch of coast northeast of Galveston. There were no weather stations there to record these peak winds." How convenient. So far this year...three "certain death storms".....more like three big misfires. Now come on flamers, show me what you got...



Quoting setfree7:
I'm going to start searching for info for the area east of Galveston Bay. If anybody has info for me , specifically for Hamshire, Fannet, Winnie, and Anahuac, please contact me through my mailbox.


I'm from the area, not sure how to private mail. You can visit www.kfdm.com for live video streams. We go hit hard those areas right off the coast especially. They say will be up to month before we can go home.
Quoting dixiewixey:
Has anyone heard about the freighter with 22 crew members who were stalled prior to IKE landfall that Coast Guard could not rescue?

They rode it out and should be under tow by tugboats by now. Should be quite a story.
I heard all are fine. tugboat on the way to get it

Link
Galveston Damage
1258. RyanCRG
Quoting dixiewixey:
Has anyone heard about the freighter with 22 crew members who were stalled prior to IKE landfall that Coast Guard could not rescue?

I heard they are ok
Quoting nola70119:
I drove to Houston yesterday AM and got almost to Galveston.....the Orange, TX area has been hit very hard, so has Beaumont, but the area of consistent damage of say a Cat 1 wind is ENORMOUS and stretches from NOLA to Houston, that is 350 miles.

There was not nearly the flooding I expected close to Houston in the Galveston Bay, although the surge got Bolivar (on the beach) and Galveston....basically localized events.

Wind damage in Houston was tropical storm variety, but N E of Houston there is a great area of rural counties that are going to have longterm problems.


I have covered Katrina, Rita, Gustav and Ike....the majority of damage from IKE is not in Houston, it stretches N and E. The biggest surge was at the Sabine River and in Orange, TX through Beaumont. The communities W of New Orleas under I-10 got slammed.

In my opinion the effects of Gustav/Ike, although not spectacular, will be enormous.....although its a low level of destruction the infrastructure over a huge area is compromised.
Sorry this is kinda long, but thought I would share. We made it through Ike truly unscathed. It was my family's first hurricane and what a roller coaster. I lived in tornado alley the first half of my life and the wind sounded very similar to that of a tornado except it didn't just come and go, but was this constant roar. We were on the western part of the eyewall and the scariest part of the whole night was waking up to the deathly calm. It seems that while we were up during the howling winds that as soon as they died down we were all lulled to sleep for a few minutes. When I woke up, I looked at my husband and said I think we are in the eye. I imagine he had the same line of thinking many people who are tricked with the eye of hurricanes have, "No, I think it is over." I ran upstairs to check on my parents and brother's family. Everyone was sound asleep. I woke them up and began to ask questions, but the first thing my mom says is, "Why is it so quiet?" I have honestly never been so scared waiting for the other shoe to drop. We had a calm hour and a half before the noise began again. God truly blessed us because we lost no trees, had a generator, and got power back on by Saturday night 8:00pm. My husband's family was not so lucky. His parents moved to The Woodlands in 2006, followed by his g-parents in 2007, and then finally his brother came in 2008. His parents had a LARGE pine fall on there house and have several leaks because of it. His brothers house had a tree fall on his house and now has a hole in his roof. Fortunately, his grandparents came out with no serious damage to their house. All are still VERY shaken up. Although we tried to get them prepared as well as possible, they just didn't take it as seriously as they should have (they went out to have dinner at Chili's on Friday evening). I am afraid I will soon find that they will be returning to California because of this. Very sad. My step-father (aka Stubborn) was able to make it back to Wharton from Humble last night, so although it isn't advised, it is possible. We are praying for those who have it worse than us and there are LOTS. Once again sorry this is so long, but I thought I would share.
Thanks killdevilmax.I have been thinking about them ever since I found out they were stranded and rescue attempt was unsuccessful.I will be so glad to hear they are in port.I am in MS and went through Katrina; it is a long, hard road back (we are not there yet), but help from all over the world came in and was truly appreciated.I work at a hospital in Gulfport.We had another hospital from NC send all our employees 2000+ very nice Christmas gifts after Katrina. Let's get in there when we can and do the same kind of help for Texas.
Today looks like its going to be a lull in activity and Tomorrow too, top story is the recovery from Ike. I expect it to become more active later this week in the GOMEX, area needs to be watched. Cold fronts and shear fronts are our main concern, we should watch that Front out in the Atlantic, might be getting ready to pinch off a low.
county by county info
Link
found some info on winnie.
1264. jdjnola
Quoting BahaHurican:
Morning all.

Lots of bloggers not posting, but I bet many still are reading. I'm still concerned about the lack of news from the area east of Galveston, but I am beginning to hope that is because almost everybody got off the Bolivar Peninsula before the worst of the storm hit.

I'm also concerned about the news of flooding in LA. Poor Terrebone and other parishes! They barely escaped from Gustav, and now this. I hope the W LA residents have homes to come back to. . .


The lack of news concerns me too. CNN has moved on to the election; it's kind of offensive. I guess TX/LA/AL/MS were lucky Katrina/Rita didn't happen in an election year.

Terrebonne didn't barely escape Gustav... They were one of the worst affected parishes. Link
Setfree....you can get to Winnie, etc there are going to be a lot of police today and they may not be letting people into all the neighborhoods. Orange got hit very hard. Anahuac did not get the surge that was forecasr
1266. RyanCRG
Yes you are lucky, most people won't have power for quite some time.
Quoting WeatherCurious:
Sorry this is kinda long, but thought I would share. We made it through Ike truly unscathed. It was my family's first hurricane and what a roller coaster. I lived in tornado alley the first half of my life and the wind sounded very similar to that of a tornado except it didn't just come and go, but was this constant roar. We were on the western part of the eyewall and the scariest part of the whole night was waking up to the deathly calm. It seems that while we were up during the howling winds that as soon as they died down we were all lulled to sleep for a few minutes. When I woke up, I looked at my husband and said I think we are in the eye. I imagine he had the same line of thinking many people who are tricked with the eye of hurricanes have, "No, I think it is over." I ran upstairs to check on my parents and brother's family. Everyone was sound asleep. I woke them up and began to ask questions, but the first thing my mom says is, "Why is it so quiet?" I have honestly never been so scared waiting for the other shoe to drop. We had a calm hour and a half before the noise began again. God truly blessed us because we lost no trees, had a generator, and got power back on by Saturday night 8:00pm. My husband's family was not so lucky. His parents moved to The Woodlands in 2006, followed by his g-parents in 2007, and then finally his brother came in 2008. His parents had a LARGE pine fall on there house and have several leaks because of it. His brothers house had a tree fall on his house and now has a hole in his roof. Fortunately, his grandparents came out with no serious damage to their house. All are still VERY shaken up. Although we tried to get them prepared as well as possible, they just didn't take it as seriously as they should have (they went out to have dinner at Chili's on Friday evening). I am afraid I will soon find that they will be returning to California because of this. Very sad. My step-father (aka Stubborn) was able to make it back to Wharton from Humble last night, so although it isn't advised, it is possible. We are praying for those who have it worse than us and there are LOTS. Once again sorry this is so long, but I thought I would share.
Quoting setfree7:
county by county info
Link
found some info on winnie.


If you are South, nearer to 10, there was no much damage. North, by Liberty, there was extensive tree damage, roads are hard to pass, but no roofs lost that I could see.....a lot of damage for sure.
The lower end is exactly where we were. That's a sad situation. No grass, no habitat. "Sugar",other agricultural and even residential outfall is so full of fertilizers and insecticides the spawn doesn't stand much chance coupled with the low oxygen of high turbidity. Hopefully, the healthy hit the inlet and headed south and you didn't see a lot of floaters. That befell my private lake after low water followed by flood suffocated anything larger than a childs hand.
Pasedena, TX
Link
In post season so Far I think were looking at this;

The First 90L (Arthur) being upgraded to a TD and then a TS as it made landfall (Operational, it was only classified as a TS when it hit land)

Bertha will likely be upgraded to Category 4 strength as Dorvak and all the other satellite estimates indicated Bertha as a Category 4, but came down as the next advisory came out.

Fay might be upgraded to Hurricane Status over land, and Pre-Fay shortly before it became Fay to be considered a Tropical Depression. Fay might be retired due to the damage it caused in Florida and the loss of life it caused in Haiti.

Gustav might be considered a Category 5 as it made landfall in Cuba, there were recordings of 212 MPH wind gusts in Cuba. Gustav will be retired.

Hanna might also be considered a Hurricane as it made landfall in South Carolina. Hanna will likely be retired due to it killing over a thousand people in the CB.

Ike will be retired due to the destruction in Galveston.

Ike
1271. Patrap
Image:

9/14/2008
PUPPY RESCUE
Army Command Sgt. Maj. Ken Wagner, of the Louisiana National Guard's 256th Infantry Brigade Combat Team, helps Mary Louise Fowler with her puppy, Peanut, during an evacuation near Hackberry, La., Sept. 13, 2008. Mary and her husband were rescued by local police from their boat after escaping from their home in the wake of flooding caused by Hurricane Ike. National Guard troops are supporting hurricane relief efforts. U.S. Army photo by Rebekah L. Malone
1272. RyanCRG
At least 30 looting arrests so far in Houston.
I know that there are more important matters here, but I just wanted to inform everyone that the NEW CCHS Weather Center site has been established and is now fully operational. You can leave comments on the site.
1274. Patrap
Image: Link

9/13/2008
FAMILY RESCUE
Joint Task Force 129 crew, Jolly 92, rescues a family of four in Galveston, Texas, Sept. 12, 2008. The California Air National Guard crew of Jolly 92 rescued six civilians and pets stranded in Galveston. U.S. Air Force photo by Master Sgt. Wally Bacio
1275. Patrap
NEXRAD Radar
Houston-Galveston, Base Reflectivity 0.50 Degree Elevation Range 124 NMI Link
1276. Patrap
4 km Thermal Infrared (7-minute sector) Link
Link
some amazing pics - Galveston
(CNN) -- A tugboat on Saturday reached a disabled freighter carrying 22 people, hours after the ship road out Hurricane Ike without power, Coast Guard spokesman Mike O'Berry said.

O'Berry said the tugboat Rotterdam arrived shortly before 2 p.m. (3 p.m. ET).

Repairs will be made aboard the Antalina, which has a broken fuel pump, while at sea, O'Berry said.

The tugboat will then tow the ship to Port Arthur, Texas, where it will undergo additional repairs and eventually offload more of its cargo -- petroleum coke, a petroleum byproduct -- O'Berry said.

The crew members aboard the Antalina, a Cypriot-flagged freighter, are all in good health, said Coast Guard Cmdr. Ron Labrec.

The freighter suffered no major damage from the storm, said Darrell Wilson, a spokesman for the company that manages the ship.
My family evacuated to Fred, Tx from Hamshire, TX.
Dad probably took his chainsaw. Definitely took 2 working horses.
1280. Patrap
FEMA Individual Assistance Center Link
1281. IMA
setfree, was that someone in your family that evacuated up there w/the son who had to have an appendectomy? Wasn't sure if you were just saying "a" family or referring to one that came by you. Either way, just wondering how he was doing. :)
Blog updated
Includes Ike, Invests and News.
Quoting CybrTeddy:
In post season so Far I think were looking at this;

The First 90L (Arthur) being upgraded to a TD and then a TS as it made landfall (Operational, it was only classified as a TS when it hit land)


The NHC already has Arthur's TCR out, and they do show it becoming a tropical storm 9 hours before landfall (it formed as a tropical storm, skipping TD status).
La. Gov. Bobby Jindal claims in today's Times-Picayune that the state was surprised by the size of the storm's windfield and was not prepared for the storm surge seen in southeast Louisiana. While the storm surge maps of Wednesday and Thursday had low probabilities for surge, the large windfield was clearly recognized last week, and Dr. Master's was calling high surge in Louisiana.

Why would the experimental surge models get it so wrong? In the coastal zone, water forecasting is at least as important as wind forecasting. (And I think it's dishonest of Jindal to try to blame his shortcomings in preparedness on the forecasters. Even I was looking at the forecast track in Google Earth and seeing at least tropical wind as far east as New Orleans and Baton Rouge. Wind blowing water in means one thing: flooding).
Thanks everyone for responding about the Antalina.I do not know anyone on it, but I am so grateful they are okay.
1286. IMA
Someone posted this story to my blog. I thought it was pretty neat. I'm an animal nut, but I don't think I'm as dedicated as these wonderful folks:
Thirty-seven staff members from the Houston SPCA stayed with the animals overnight Friday to tend to them
Quoting setfree7:
Link
some amazing pics - Galveston


Speechless. All I can say is God bless them on their road to recovery. I don't know how they're ever going to bring Galveston, Surfside Beach, and the Bolivar Peninsula back to normal again.
Quoting jdjnola:


The lack of news concerns me too. CNN has moved on to the election; it's kind of offensive. I guess TX/LA/AL/MS were lucky Katrina/Rita didn't happen in an election year.

Terrebonne didn't barely escape Gustav... They were one of the worst affected parishes. Link


Agreed. They looked around where they had prepositioned themselves and went, well, no story hear. CNN had to get Anderson Cooper to stand in a ditch while trucks went by behind him in clearly shallower water.

A lesson learned from Katrina and storms since: the national news media almost always get it wrong. They don't have the local knowledge. You have to find local media outlets and even bloggers in the affected areas for the real information. My first blog (WetBankGuide.net) started as an information clearing house in the days immediately after Katrina, as I was glued to the cable news outlets and they were doing such a poor job.

Good morning everyone

After the last few frantic days the blog seems to be taking a rest. Out in the Atlantic everything is relatively quiet save for 92L.

Although shear is high over it at this time it does have an impressive 850 mb vort signature and therefore bears watching. High pressure still dominates off the East coast of the US and far out into the Atlantic.

As we enter the last half of September it is time to look closer to home for threats as shear begins to pick up East of 45W.

Just East of the Caribbean near 55W has produced powerful storms before, such as Gilbert in 1988 which formed near 12N 54W.

The Southern Caribbean is also a hot spot in Oct. therefore the current lull in activity does not necessarily mean that it will stay that way. Typically, after a period of high activity, such as the last 3 weeks, we tend to see a quiet spell of about a week then a pick up once more.

Once the cold fronts start to dip down the low at the tail end can spin up a system either in the GOM or the Caribbean.

News out of Texas and LA is surprisingly sparse.
Fannett, Tx - high water rescues
Link

Info for Fannett, Orange, Sabine Pass, Bridge city
Link
1291. IMA
Glad to see it, CCHS - bookmarked in my tropics folder ;)

oh, and good morning, all
One more question...has anyone heard anything about the 3 ppl on the roof and the 12-15 ppl on the church roof that called for rescue and the sheriff said they could not rescue until after IKE landfalled?
Have a good day. I am out .
1294. IMA
1288. WetBankGuy My husband & I were disgusted yesterday when 1) we saw that at least 2 of the major cable news channels had already moved on to election coverage (one for a fluffy life story); 2) Anderson Cooper was standing in that ditch you mention in waders, talking to our governor via phone -- I told the DH that if I were Rick Perry I would've told Anderson that I refused to talk to him until he got his happy a** out of that dang water and got serious
IMA, haven't heard any further reports about the boy who had to have the appendectomy. it was just a report I heard on local news.
On direct tv,361, there is Houston hurricane news only.It has been very informative.Also, their website is khou.com
1297. twifob
Quoting Autistic2:
Perhaps something more like

“Extreme immanent danger with the probability of death. Even IF you survive this experience you will never want to again.”


Well, when this happens ... On one side of the Galveston peninsula, a couple of barges had broken loose and smashed into homes. Everything from red vinyl barstools to clay roof tiles littered the landscape. Some homes were "pancaked," the second floor sitting where the first had been before Ike's surge washed it out. Only the stud frames remained below the roofs of many houses, opening a clear view from front yard to back. That should be certain enough.

What people don't seem to grasp is that the water is going to be full of floating objects - dinghys, speedboats, barges, trees, and parts of houses - and all that debris is going to be bashing at their house along with the waves. Maybe the waves wouldn't have taken out your stilts, but a large cargo container, propelled by a wave, has totally difference physics to it.
Quoting Stlouiskid:
Quoting c93:
remnants of ike hitting us hard in st.louis, numerous power outages and water rescues taking place

where are you in stl?

There are neighborhoods in the Chicago area that are evacuating. Flooding near the Chicago river in the city and localized flooding in various suburbs. According to Wunderground radar, precipitation storm totals in some areas are up to a cumulative 18 inches of rain since Thursday, Sept. 11.

Saturday was Chicago's wettest day ever recorded. For the first time in 6 years, Chicago is draining the Chicago river sanitary canal (storm sewer) into Lake Michigan.

And Ike arrives today...
My brother lives in Tomball and got power back last night, too. They had been told they'd be without power for a minimum of 8 days.
1300. IMA
1296, yes - that's local coverage. That's what I have on now. It about killed us to leave the house last night, we had to go to the neighbor's house for dinner. We couldn't wait to get home. lol It wasn't just morbid curiosity, either. Ties there all my life so have spent a great deal of time there, hits so close to home. Bro is evacuated from Friendswood to San Antonio right now.
1301. Patrap
wetbankguy..

I am coordinating a Relief Push for the Galveston area by Thursday.
Am renting a 16ft Budget truck to fill with relief supplies.
Contact me here via wu-mail if you would like to help with it.

Anyone else who would like to help as well contact me via wu-mail.

NOLA owes Texas and we aim to help..in a Hurry.

Pat
As mentioned yesterday the atlantic right now is closed for business for the next few days possibly even longer.

Adrian
One reason Galvestonians need to not try to go home.
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Thank you Kmanislander
has anyone seen the nhc page? they have hanna and ike on there

its a glitch or mistake but its kind of funny

Top News of the Day.....view past news Last update Sun, 14 Sep 2008 15:01:02 UTC


Last NHC advisory issued on HANNA, IKE




Link
1306. dearmas
I'm in Tampa Fl and we have gas stations that are total out of gas. Really crazy. Just a comment
1307. twifob
Quoting dixiewixey:
Has anyone heard about the freighter with 22 crew members who were stalled prior to IKE landfall that Coast Guard could not rescue?


They are OK and are either under tow or will be shortly. An ocean-going tug went to get them.
Quoting Patrap:
wetbankguy..

I am coordinating a Relief Push for the Galveston area by Thursday.
Am renting a 16ft Budget truck to fill with relief supplies.
Contact me here via wu-mail if you would like to help with it.

Anyone else who would like to help as well contact me via wu-mail.

NOLA owes Texas and we aim to help..in a Hurry.

Pat


Another reason to be proud of Wunderbloggers!!!
Quoting hurricane23:
As mentioned yesterday the atlantic right now is closed for business for the next few days possibly even longer.

Adrian


Agreed. It will be great for everyone that we will finally get a much-needed break from tropical systems. Now, we can rest our minds away from the tropics for the first time in a month.
From khou news, water and ice can be found for Montgomery Country Precinct 2 31355 Friendship Dr, south at Shenandoah City Hall, and precinct4 at City Commissioner's Barn.
Crystal beachLink
Galveston picLink
This last link seems to have alot of info and additional links.
1312. keyjo50
If you go to Link, they have forums set up for each county.

If you click on "Other Galveston County" you can find a lot of posts on Crystal Beach. One of those has pics and here they are
1313. twifob
Quoting WetBankGuy:
Why would the experimental surge models get it so wrong?


Uh ... because they are experimental? That means it's still being developed, not ready for prime time, and buggier than a tropical raqin forest!
1314. c93
latest in stl...
60mph gust recorded
flooding in homes up to shoulders in ladue
trees down
i'll post again when i learn more
Same situation here on NW FL Panhandle.
Quoting dearmas:
I'm in Tampa Fl and we have gas stations that are total out of gas. Really crazy. Just a comment
1316. IMA
I don't understand why they are allowing people to stay on Galveston Island. I would think it would make more since to get everyone except emergency personnel off the island. Before I get jumped on -- I'm not saying they should or shouldn't, just that I don't understand.
Pat...if you will post an address on your blog, I'd like to send you a check....and encourage others to do so as well....
Wow. The blog is ummmm..... quiet. Nobody on here. LOL. Where did everyone go?
Levee broke at Terrebonne (several paragraphs down the report)
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Quoting Patrap:
wetbankguy..

I am coordinating a Relief Push for the Galveston area by Thursday.
Am renting a 16ft Budget truck to fill with relief supplies.
Contact me here via wu-mail if you would like to help with it.

Anyone else who would like to help as well contact me via wu-mail.

NOLA owes Texas and we aim to help..in a Hurry.

Pat


Thank you for doing this....it gives us an opportunity to give back to the Texus communities that helped us so much. And maybe a chance to redeem our reputation as a bunch of freeloaders and thugs ( mostly well deserved--unfortunately the good and grateful people of New Orleans had to suffer for the bad freeloaders and thugs)

Dana
1321. Patrap
Contact me here Press, via wu-mail.
2 Checks already on the way.

Id rather not Publish that addy in the Main.
Send anything.
1322. IMA
Quoting presslord:
Pat...if you will post an address on your blog, I'd like to send you a check....and encourage others to do so as well....
If you don't want to post an address, you can do a PayPal address or do one of those fundable.com deals (not sure if they charge a % or not, the Fundable folks).
Sorry about the repost...the last one posted incomplete...it was to say thank you Kmanislander, AND Patrap, Setfree, IMA, and so many others, for information and links> It really help as I have much trouble getting information down here...and my computer cable service is very slow...And please don't attack (flame?) me for wishing to thank people for their efforts. At least I care.
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Quoting Patrap:
wetbankguy..

I am coordinating a Relief Push for the Galveston area by Thursday.
Am renting a 16ft Budget truck to fill with relief supplies.
Contact me here via wu-mail if you would like to help with it.

Anyone else who would like to help as well contact me via wu-mail.

NOLA owes Texas and we aim to help..in a Hurry.

Pat
I can't contribute, too far away, no money but wish you Godspeed.
1326. IMA
By the way, wonderful thing to do -- would've said it sooner but think I'm on Pat's ignore list 'cause of comments to CCTXAngel and it still brings tears to my eyes :( -- LA doesn't owe us anything, TX did what we did after "K" 'cause that's what any good neighbor would do :)
1327. FLtoUT
Quoting setfree7:
Levee broke at Terrebonne (several paragraphs down the report)
Link


The storm's reach just blows my mind. Good luck to those people
the churches here in Ft Worth are supporting all the shelters in numerous ways. We do for every evacuation.
In Savannah...gas is up to 4.27/gallon. Never thought trying to be a stay-at-home mom was really going to mean I had to stay at home.

Looking at the news this morning and seeing all the devastation...unbelievable.
Customer Service:
888-221-1161

Pat. That is PayPal's phone number. Explain to them what you are trying to do and see what they offer. Best to way to get the cash quickly. I can help but want to know how. How long will you need the truck? I can then maybe rent the truck for you, etc. Let's talk.
why anyone would ignore a cute face like that is beyond me. LOL. Oops...not really in line with the admin's stance. Sorry..plz don't ban me..I won't do it again.
Padre Island even has some damage. Link
couple of houses still standing in Galveston, Link
1333. Zaphod
It looks like the "before" link for the Bolivar Peninsula is missing. I found the same spot on Google Maps.

All those who say Ike "wasn't catastrophic" had best not say that to the people who lived here. "Certain death" seems pretty reasonable for those who lived in the first few blocks at least.
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Things are going downhill here in the Houston area and I expect them to get worse before they get better.

We had some major rain in the Houston area this morning that is now causing serious flooding.

Even if you can get out on the roads, not many places are open and those that are have long lines and limited products available. Food, ice, and water are hard to come by even as far north has Hempstead.

Gas is over $5.50/gallon for Regular, but many pumps aren't working because of the lack of power. I understand this could have been worse, but if you've never been thru a hurricane like this you simply can't imagine what's going on right now, particularly for a major metropolitan area with millions of people affected (for a long time to come).
I am feeling like relaxing more now. What affects one place affects us all. We are not isolated here in USA. I pray that they will not find a lot of dead people when they do the rescue searches.
1260. WeatherCurious 10:18 AM EDT on September 14, 2008
Sorry this is kinda long, but thought I would share.



Thanks for sharing, WxCur, and we're glad to see u made it out ok. And no, it wasn't too long . . .

Quoting jdjnola:


Terrebonne didn't barely escape Gustav... They were one of the worst affected parishes. Link
jdj, I was thinking more like "lived through" when I said escaped . . . prolly wasn't the clearest way of saying it, though.

A question: Were coastal LA residents east of the TX state line under mandatory evac?
1337. keyjo50
Pat, I hope you don't mind but there are some things that are usually forgotten and as a Mom I want to list them for you (though you've probably got them covered).

diapers
wipes
bottles
infant tylenol and ibuprofen
diaper rash ointment (humidity and diapers doesn't mix)
pacifiers
jarred baby food (stages 1, 2, and 3)

Also...toiletries: toothpaste, toothbrush, deoderant.
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No suprise there at all conditions are very hostile across most areas in the atlantic.Hopefully thats about it as far as threats for the U.S. this season.

Have a great sunday everyone. Adrian
Quoting setfree7:
Padre Island even has some damage. Link
couple of houses still standing in Galveston, Link



A couple houses still standing in Galveston? From what I've seen from Coast Guard Video most of the houses are still standing in Galveston.
1340. IMA
1323 You're most welcome! Hey, people can flame me if they want lol - I want to thank setfree for her great links this a.m.! I think it's slow enough this a.m. we can thank each other, right??

Dana When I worked with evacuees in San Antonio, I met some of the people about which you speak, but I also met some awesome people! I would come home with complaints but I'd come home with at least as many or more stories about wonderful people -- musicians, chefs, retired school teachers who'd in their youth gone around the south gotten fellow African Americans registered to vote before being chased out of town by local sheriffs while having their lives threatened - people who have only a negative view of New Orleans or LA in general are just narrow-minded individuals who have what is likely a permanent case of cranium-upper-anus
Quoting presslord:
Pat...if you will post an address on your blog, I'd like to send you a check....and encourage others to do so as well....
Thank all of you from the bottom of our hearts. My home Orange county was devestated by surge and winds. And many are stuck there. They were not the most populated places however estimated 90,000 residents stayed. Any relief to them will be greatly appreciated. My husband and I are going to try to get back in and empty some freezers and give the food away. My family was fortunate all four of our homes made it thru with minimal damage. The oposite happened with Rita.And we were helped then by people from out of state. Again thank you.
1342. KRL
Quoting hurricane23:
As mentioned yesterday the atlantic right now is closed for business for the next few days possibly even longer.

Adrian


Good! Season's over see y'all next year . . LOL
1343. IMA
Quoting AirTrafficMan:
why anyone would ignore a cute face like that is beyond me. LOL. Oops...not really in line with the admin's stance. Sorry..plz don't ban me..I won't do it again.
LOL Why, thank you. I may just have to do a screen shot and make that my wallpaper. ROFL
1344. RyanCRG
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1345. Ron5244
Seems that we have had an early peak this season...

Right now, the Atlantic should be just about exploding.
LOL. Season's closed.... Yeah, right. Wishful thinking. Season should pick back up in about two weeks. We're only into the middle of hurricane season and ya'll are saying it's over... Not quite. Would be nice though...
Patrap:

You are doing it right. We were directly helped after Katrina by Canadians who found us in a motel 8, changed our lives 100%. They need help now and cannot wait on FEMA. There is no Calvary on white horses to come and save the day, it's going to be strangers and neighbor helping neighbor.
If you want to help, my personal advice is to go to them, in a hotel, motel...get to them in some way to directly help. Many times the donations to organizations never make it to the people who need it. The Red Cross did give us 200.00 for food after Katrina and provided us clothes. So the Red Cross is a great way to send help, or do it directly yourself.

Patrap, you are awesome and a great human being.
Remember that guy who wouldn't leave Surfside Beach?
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Go down to the article entitled, Ex-Marine rides out storm on porch: 'I consider myself to be stupid'
Quoting melwerle:
In Savannah...gas is up to 4.27/gallon. Never thought trying to be a stay-at-home mom was really going to mean I had to stay at home.

Looking at the news this morning and seeing all the devastation...unbelievable.
Mel, what is also scary is that this devastation was originally pegged to head our way . . .

Gives new meaning to the saying "There but for the grace of God go I".

Pat, I may not be able to contribute to your TX-bound efforts, but I certainly will support efforts here in the Bahamas and in Haiti. Ike has been a rough storm for many, many people.
Quoting fire831rescue:
LOL. Season's closed.... Yeah, right. Wishful thinking. Season should pick back up in about two weeks. We're only into the middle of hurricane season and ya'll are saying it's over... Not quite. Would be nice though...
He only said for the next few days. . . lol

Personally I think we're in for a "double peak" season - a heavy late Aug / early Sep, a break, and then a heavy mid Oct. I wouldn't count on an early season close, either. ENSO nuetral w/ cold bias seasons, like this one, tend to run right up to the close date instead of cutting off early.
Flame me if you want/must, but people need to know that the road to recovery following something like this can be almost as disastrous if people are not careful. We have worked Katrina,Rita,Dennis,Charley,Opal and Danny, and some of us more than that. What we find afterwards is disease, more upsetting than the loss of property. If you are in any area hit by Ike, please stay out of the water. If you have water in your homes, do NOT go barefoot.If you venture outside I would consider a mask as you are breathing in toxic chemicals from the sludge and this WILL have an effect on your lungs. Don't let your children"Play" in the water. If you have to use bleach right now, Please use natural products when you can to get rid of the bleach. Chlorine and chloemeres(by-product) are deadly. When you can get to a store, get lemons and wash with them, use drops in your water to help kill the fungus and molds that ARE in that water. When things calm down a little, please email or call us. We'll help you get well so you can continue on the road to recovery. We've been there. Gone through it. I've lost everything 4 times- but I'm well. God Bless.
From the Beaumont Enterprise:
"Kroger gas station on Dowlen is not open. The store is open and they are letting people in one at a time."

Man, that is one bad typo. Is it open or not? Guess so, but...

I would guess that they are on generator. What would be useful would be a power report along with an open report.
1353. IMA
Quoting atmoaggie:
From the Beaumont Enterprise:
"Kroger gas station on Dowlen is not open. The store is open and they are letting people in one at a time."

Man, that is one bad typo. Is it open or not? Guess so, but...

I would guess that they are on generator. What would be useful would be a power report along with an open report.
It sounds like the store is open but the gas station is not?
new blog
This u gatta read.

An exerpt:

Destin Fluellen's father was flown to a hospital after the storm Saturday because he hadn't received dialysis treatments in two days. Rescue crews said they found Fluellen, who lived at 19th Street and Avenue I, carrying his father along Broadway.

Why in the name of all that is wonderful would you stay on Galveston if your father is on Dialysis????? even if the effects had been minimal, just the debris clearing might make it difficult to get your dad his treatment!
Ike is making his presence know here in KY. Just drove down the street to see a tree had fallen on someone's parked car and smashed it. Don't think anyone was in there at the time. Winds are about 32 gusting to over 50 mph and lights are flickering occasionally.


(Here's a post from USA TODAY reporter Donna Leinwand, on the scene in Texas:)

Clearly, Texans have a sense of humor, even when hunkering down for a wind and rain wallop:

This sign was posted on the marquee outside the Porch Swing Pub in the Heights neighborhood on the edge of downtown Houston: "Come on over, Tina. We'll Protect you from Ike."

And posted on a bulletin board at a real estate company that flooded after losing its roof and a glass wall: "Office Procedures Concerning Storm and Office Closings:

Hurricane Category #1: No excuse for being late. Leave earlier to give extra time to avoid fallen trees and limbs.
Hurricane Category #2: Due to the horizontal rain, you may wear jeans.
Hurricane Category #3: Whereas most of the area will be flooded, we suggest you avoid wearing open toe sandals when coming to work. Canoes will be provided to get to the building safely without getting wet.
Hurricane Category #4: More than likely there will be no electricity. Given that, we will have manual typewriters available to all staff members. Please take extra caution and wear water-proof make-up if Category 4 or above.
Hurricane Category #5: Velcro will be provide to keep you attached to your chairs when the windows blow out. For those that survive, we will have chocolate cake at 3 p.m. in the kitchen.
Posted by Doyle Rice at 02:23 PM/ET, September 13, 2008 in Hurricanes | Permalink
I'll bet the Kroger is now open, instead of not open...
1359. Roxanne
Why in the name of all that is wonderful would you stay on Galveston if your father is on Dialysis????? even if the effects had been minimal, just the debris clearing might make it difficult to get your dad his treatment!

Maybe he tried like this person.
Winters, on the other hand, had tried everything to get out before Ike hit. The native Galvestonian has been registered for special assistance for the last five years, she said, but no one came to the retirement community on 61st to help her and her cat escape.

Increasingly desperate as forecasters and government officials warned of certain death for coastal residents who remained in Ike's path, Winters spent the last few days on the phone, trying to find someone who could help her out of her first-floor apartment. She called 311, 211, 911 and the number for the city's Emergency Management Center. But she was still waiting at 8 p.m. Friday, when all rescue attempts ceased.
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Quoting IKE:
I hadn't even looked out in the CATL. It's getting later in the season. Odds of anything making it over to the USA from that region are starting to decrease. There may be a system that develops out there, but I was talking in terms of a system threatening the USA.


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