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Ida pulls its punch; El Salvador floods kill 130

By: Dr. Jeff Masters, 3:01 PM GMT on November 10, 2009

A weakening Tropical Storm Ida limped ashore near Dauphin Island, Alabama at 5:40 am CST this morning, as a tropical storm with 45 mph winds. Winds at coastal locations during Ida's landfall were mostly below tropical storm force. One exception was Dauphin Island, where winds peaked at 40 mph, gusting to 50 mph, near midnight. Radar-estimated rainfall from Ida showed many regions received 3 - 5 inches of rain (Figure 1), which has caused some minor river and street flooding. The main damage from Ida seems to have been beach erosion, as a 3 - 6 foot storm surge topped by battering waves affected a long stretch of coast, from Southeast Louisiana to the Florida Panhandle. Ida drove a 5.5 foot storm surge to Shell Beach, LA (on the east side of New Orleans). Ida did not spawn any tornadoes, and the Storm Prediction Center Discussion for today maintains that the airmass in place over the Gulf Coast is relatively stable, and the prospects for severe weather today are low.

Ida's remnants and Invest 98L
Ida is expected to transition to a strong extratropical storm later today, then move off the U.S. Southeast coast by Thursday. Minor to moderate coastal flooding is possible along the Atlantic coast from Georgia to North Carolina beginning Thursday, as the counter-clockwise flow of air around Ida's extratropical version brings winds of 25 - 35 mph to the coast.

Joining the fun on Thursday may be another extratropical storm (Invest 98L), currently spinning over the Atlantic a few hundred miles north of Puerto Rico. This disturbance is under 30 - 40 knots of wind shear, and will not be able to develop today. However, wind shear will fall to the moderate range, 10 - 20 knots, Wednesday through Thursday, and the storm may begin to acquire some subtropical traits as it moves northwest towards the Southeast U.S. coast. There won't be enough time for 98L to develop into a subtropical storm, since by Thursday night it will be interacting with the remains of Ida, which will bring prohibitively high wind shear over 98L.


Figure 1. Estimated precipitation for Ida, from the Mobile, Alabama radar.


Figure 2. Observed vs. predicted water levels at Shell Beach, LA (just east of New Orleans). The green line shows how high above normal the water is. For Shell Beach, it peaked at 5.5 feet above normal between 8 - 10 pm EST last night, and is now falling. Image credit: NOAA Tides and Currents.

El Salvador floods kill at least 130
Heavy rains that began on Thursday due to tropical disturbance 96E have killed at least 130 people in El Salvador, with 60 people still missing. The flooding hit the capital of San Salvador and rural areas to the east. The heavy rains were due to tropical disturbance 96E, which formed off the coast of El Salvador on Wednesday, November 4. The counter-clockwise flow of air around the disturbance pulled large quantities of moist, Pacific air over the coastal mountains in El Salvador, dumping steady rains of up two inches over central El Salvador, Thursday through Friday. On Saturday evening, November 7, an extremely intense thunderstorm complex developed over central El Salvador, dumping up to 17.4" (442 mm) of rain on the slopes of the Chichontepec volcano just east of the capital of San Salvador. Huge mudslides rumbled down the mountain, burying the the town of Verapaz, some 30 miles (48 km) east of San Salvador.


Figure 3. Collapsed bridge at Santa Cruz La Libertad, El Salvador. Image credit: Wunderphotographer DiegoSagrera

This weekend's flooding disaster was the second deadliest weather disaster in El Salvador history. The deadliest was from Category 5 Hurricane Mitch, which killed 240 people in 1998. Ranking third is Category 1 Hurricane Stan of 2005, which brought heavy rains that killed at least 72 people. El Salvador is very vulnerable to flash flooding, since the nation is the second most deforested country in the Americas, next to Haiti. Approximately 85% - 90% of the nation's forests have been destroyed since the 1960s, and the rate of destruction--now 1.7% per year--has accelerated since 2000. Most deforestation in El Salvador results from the country's high population that relies heavily on the collection of fuel wood and subsistence hunting and agriculture. Although the government has protected areas of forest, forestry laws go unenforced due to lack of funds and management. Salvanatura.org, the Ecological Foundation of El Salvador, is working on efforts to help protect the forests of El Salvador from continued destruction. Expect to hear of more frequent flooding disasters in El Salvador in the coming decades, as the country loses more of its forests, and as global warming brings an increase in heavy precipitation events due to higher amounts of water vapor in the atmosphere.


Figure 4. Rainfall for the period 7 am Saturday, November 7, through 7 am Sunday, November 8, over El Salvador. Rainfall amounts in excess of 300 mm (about 12 inches, black colors) occurred over central El Salvador, near the capital of San Salvador. Image credit: El Salvador Weather Service (SNET).

For those interested in making a donation to assist in disaster relief for El Salvador, Portlight.org has a Paypal donation page set up for this. All funds raised will be forwarded to José Luis Escobar Alas, Catholic Archbishop of San Salvador, and used to assist flooding victims at the discretion of the Archbishop.

Jeff Masters
Tropical depression IDA
Tropical depression IDA
Debris on the bridge that takes you to Rosario de mora from Litoral road.(RN6S)This is why we have so much damage to our bridges, debris accumulates under the bridge and blocks the flow of water, the water finds new paths over or around the bridge thus damaging it.
Tropical Storm Ida
Tropical Storm Ida
Pensacola Beach Fishing Pier as Ida approaches.

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Quoting presslord:
OK...now...

Dude! I change the light bulbs at my company...it ain't that hard...or expensive ; )


Aren't you charged an unreal disposal fee.
Quoting atmoaggie:

I would be suspicious of definitive answers...
Of course it is likely over, but...
Climatology says it is over, but...


Thank You Atmo...... We just never know what will happen,,,,, Heck our next storm just may bring 6 to 8" of snow in Dec or a white Christmas like it did in Houston in 2004....

Taco :0)
Dat's not cool...

News:
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Paraguay was also affected when the Itaipu dam straddling the two nations' border stopped producing 17,000 megawatts of power, resulting in outages in Rio de Janeiro, Sao Paulo and at least several other big Brazilian cities, Brazilian Mines and Energy Minister Edison Lobao said.
Quoting TampaSpin:


Aren't you charged an unreal disposal fee.



...well...I hate to tell ya this...but...I just toss 'em in the trash....please don't tell...
Quoting presslord:



...well...I hate to tell ya this...but...I just toss 'em in the trash....please don't tell...


It don't work that way in Corp. America trust me......Gov. is now visiting all the time to check on things......ureal...they come in with all there gas gadgets to test how much gas is coming off a varnished desk for emmissions....no lie...unreal.
OKAY. EVERYBODY QUIT. Nobody will change the other person mind.
mossy...tampa and atmo and I are good friends ...we're just talkin' smack...
Quoting presslord:
mossy...tampa and atmo and I are good friends ...we're just talkin' smack...


Speak for yourself......your a contamintor of disposing of a light bulb without proper supervision.....the truce is broken....ROFLMAO
Quoting presslord:
mossy...tampa and atmo and I are good friends ...we're just talkin' smack...
OH, thanks for telling me that.
Quoting presslord:
mossy...tampa and atmo and I are good friends ...we're just talkin' smack...


Paul (Presslord) is one of my best friends on here and that will always continue.
tampa...I'm kinda scared...I know a guy who spent 6 months in Federal prison on a misdemeanor charge of fishing in the Chatahoochee River with worms...
TampaSpin can someone check if they can get on my website or are they having a problem....i can't get on. Just want to make sure my nothing is wrong from my end....Thanks.
"Internet Explorer Cannot Display The Page"
Quoting presslord:
tampa...I'm kinda scared...I know a guy who spent 6 months in Federal prison on a misdemeanor charge of fishing in the Chatahoochee River with worms...


Wow! You mean he did not know he could not fish an longer with live worms and only plastic worms are allowed. PETA will be all overhim.
Quoting TampaSpin:


Speak for yourself......your a contamintor of disposing of a light bulb without proper supervision.....the truce is broken....ROFLMAO
Well, i can tell you, the government does not have a sense of humor. I have dealt when the government(medicare, medicaid, DCF,etc.) and they change the tone of the laws and add to the laws to where it is hard to do anything unless you have the time and patient to deal with the paperwork. Also human error does not enter the equation. And compassion does enter the equation either. No bending of the rules.
Quoting presslord:
mossy...tampa and atmo and I are good friends ...we're just talkin' smack...

Who you callin friend?
(/fake attitude problem off)
yup...the law was 'no live bait'
Quoting presslord:
"Internet Explorer Cannot Display The Page..."

...Efficiently and Without Messages like Inept Explorer Has Encountered a Problem and Needs to Close"
Quoting presslord:
"Internet Explorer Cannot Display The Page"


Thanks Press i'm getting the same thing...must be something wrong with Web.com
Quoting TampaSpin:


It don't work that way in Corp. America trust me......Gov. is now visiting all the time to check on things......ureal...they come in with all there gas gadgets to test how much gas is coming off a varnished desk for emmissions....no lie...unreal.

Sorry to jump off your topic but I have a question for you all. In the early winter months in northern Michigan we get massive amounts of "lake effect" snows. The systems coming down from the north and northwest suck up massive amounts of moisture and dump hundreds of inches of snow in the "snow belt" areas. It seemed funny that those systems are able to extract huge amounts of moisture from water that is barely above freezing yet a few degrees colder water temp is enough to keep a tropical system from evaporating water to add to the energy of it.
I hope this does not sound stipid
Quoting TampaSpin:
TampaSpin can someone check if they can get on my website or are they having a problem....i can't get on. Just want to make sure my nothing is wrong from my end....Thanks.


Internet explorer cannot display the webpage.
Quoting rinkrat61:

Sorry to jump off your topic but I have a question for you all. In the early winter months in northern Michigan we get massive amounts of "lake effect" snows. The systems coming down from the north and northwest suck up massive amounts of moisture and dump hundreds of inches of snow in the "snow belt" areas. It seemed funny that those systems are able to extract huge amounts of moisture from water that is barely above freezing yet a few degrees colder water temp is enough to keep a tropical system from evaporating water to add to the energy of it.
I hope this does not sound stipid
Our storms up here are cold core storms, and run primarily off of upper level instability. Tropical storms are warm core storms and feed primarily off of warmer ocean water. Hope I helped!
524. beell
The way that trough is moving, FL may not see anything. It is movin!
Link
Quoting TampaSpin:
TampaSpin can someone check if they can get on my website or are they having a problem....i can't get on. Just want to make sure my nothing is wrong from my end....Thanks.
Firefox cannot bring it up either.
Charles!! 'bout time you showed up...
Quoting presslord:
Charles!! 'bout time you showed up...
Hey Paul, yeah I have been in and out of here quickly before.. I never really stick around.. I seen the Michigan comment and had to say something lol. Hope you're doing well.
Quoting rinkrat61:

Sorry to jump off your topic but I have a question for you all. In the early winter months in northern Michigan we get massive amounts of "lake effect" snows. The systems coming down from the north and northwest suck up massive amounts of moisture and dump hundreds of inches of snow in the "snow belt" areas. It seemed funny that those systems are able to extract huge amounts of moisture from water that is barely above freezing yet a few degrees colder water temp is enough to keep a tropical system from evaporating water to add to the energy of it.
I hope this does not sound stipid

That is the difference between the amount of water vapor than can be present in air at 80F and 30F, my friend.
Does not take nearly as much evaporation to saturate air and allow for condensation/ice nucleation where you are.
Here, a lot more is necessary to drive the condensation heat release that is the impetus of a TC. Waters above 26C is the magic number required...and that is somewhat regardless of surface air temps given the depth in the atmosphere of a TC whose heat engine is working.
Quoting mossyhead:
Firefox cannot bring it up either.

I wasn't serious about it being only a IE problem...
;-)
Quoting atmoaggie:

I wasn't serious about it being only a IE problem...
;-)
I checked it out before i seen your IE remark. I had problems with IE and that is why i switched to Firefox.
Quoting rinkrat61:

Sorry to jump off your topic but I have a question for you all. In the early winter months in northern Michigan we get massive amounts of "lake effect" snows. The systems coming down from the north and northwest suck up massive amounts of moisture and dump hundreds of inches of snow in the "snow belt" areas. It seemed funny that those systems are able to extract huge amounts of moisture from water that is barely above freezing yet a few degrees colder water temp is enough to keep a tropical system from evaporating water to add to the energy of it.
I hope this does not sound stipid


Hate to touch this one cause i'm not a MET and don't want to be wrong. But, the engines of both are completely different. A Tropical system is a surface low that feeds off the Temperatures at the true surface while a Low moving or air moving over say Lake Erie is in the MId to Upper Level lows that don't need warm to be feed as they are already a cold core system. I'm probably so wrong about this i will be cracked on i'm sure to be corrected. But, i'm just stating what i know about lows.....which is probably very little.
Quoting TampaSpin:
TampaSpin can someone check if they can get on my website or are they having a problem....i can't get on. Just want to make sure my nothing is wrong from my end....Thanks.
got a meassage that says

windows cannot find tampaspinsweather.web.com using windows dns looks like domain server problems or it has been deleted
What happened to chicklet?
I suspect conversations like this must make Jeff Masters very proud...this blog is at it's best when we're learning from each other...
Quoting presslord:
I suspect conversations like this must make Jeff Masters very proud...this blog is at it's best when we're learning from each other...
Agreed
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
got a meassage that says

windows cannot find tampaspinsweather.web.com using windows dns looks like domain server problems or it has been deleted


Thanks everyone.......i use WEB.com as my Website and it too is down....so they are having a server problem it appears ....Thanks everyone.
Quoting presslord:
I suspect conversations like this must make Jeff Masters very proud...this blog is at it's best when we're learning from each other...
I know I do.
Thanks yall, great food for thought. I did retire my snowplow and shovel and I now live and work out of Pensacola.
What makes Linux better than Windows?
Quoting atmoaggie:

That is the difference between the amount of water vapor than can be present in air at 80F and 30F, my friend.
Does not take nearly as much evaporation to saturate air and allow for condensation/ice nucleation where you are.
Here, a lot more is necessary to drive the condensation heat release that is the impetus of a TC. Waters above 26C is the magic number required...and that is somewhat regardless of surface air temps given the depth in the atmosphere of a TC whose heat engine is working.

I'll try to expand on this one as well, but I'm not sure I'll cover everything sufficiently due to me being a first semester Meteorology student and fairly inexperienced. However, here it goes...

Tropical cyclones (and pretty much anything else that functions in the tropics) derive their energy from warm water temperatures. The warm, moist, unstable air will rise and condense, which releases latent heat and allows the moist air to rise even further. A similar situation occurs over the great lakes. Even though the water is much colder over the great lakes, so is the atmosphere. So as stable air moves over the relatively warm water of the great lakes, it will warm, gain moisture, destabilize, and begin to rise and form clouds. When it moves over land, it is cut off from the instability, and precipitation falls and the clouds dissipate.

How's that?
Quoting rinkrat61:
Thanks yall, great food for thought. I did retire my snowplow and shovel and I now live and work out of Pensacola.
I have family in Pensacola and lived there before. I am about 55 miles east of Pensacola in Mossy Head which is 10 miles from Defuniak Springs. My wife is from Minnesota. She has told me about the winters up there.
Quoting mossyhead:
What makes Linux better than Windows?

I don't know exactly why Windows gets so unstable and needs to be restarted from time to time just to continue to function. I dunno know enough about what is under the hood, there.

Linux has a lot of open source coding in it. These are the hacks that look at a program, even one embedded in the OS itself, see something that could be done more efficiently, effectively, safely, etc. make the change and submit it to a code repository. If accepted and works as advertised, that change may make it into the same Linux we download and install.

Stability is my favorite thing about Linux. (Told this one before) I shut down a Linux server to move it and checked it's "uptime". It had not been shutdown or restarted in 860-something days and it runs 24-7 running buoy obs, a weather model, etc. That machine is using all 4 processor cores more than it isn't.

Last, Linux is the right price. FREE! (Well most of the 100s of distributions are anyway)
Quoting 1900hurricane:

I'll try to expand on this one as well, but I'm not sure I'll cover everything sufficiently due to me being a first semester Meteorology student and fairly inexperienced. However, here it goes...

Tropical cyclones (and pretty much anything else that functions in the tropics) derive their energy from warm water temperatures. The warm, moist, unstable air will rise and condense, which releases latent heat and allows the moist air to rise even further. A similar situation occurs over the great lakes. Even though the water is much colder over the great lakes, so is the atmosphere. So as stable air moves over the relatively warm water of the great lakes, it will warm, gain moisture, destabilize, and begin to rise and form clouds. When it moves over land, it is cut off from the instability, and precipitation falls and the clouds dissipate.

How's that?

Good follow-on...

(Tell N-G, Pinetta, and Bowman that Jelly said hi. They'll know.)
Quoting atmoaggie:

Good follow-on...

(Tell N-G, Pinetta, and Bowman that Jelly said hi. They'll know.)

Haha, ok I'll let them know. :)
Quoting mossyhead:
I have family in Pensacola and lived there before. I am about 55 miles east of Pensacola in Mossy Head which is 10 miles from Defuniak Springs. My wife is from Minnesota. She has told me about the winters up there.

I was going to, but have decided against a trip to south-central Wyoming for Christmas with my 2 kids under 6...too much of a chance we'll be stranded there or not be able to get there.
No real airport...have to fly into Denver, Casper, or Salt Lake and then we are at the mercy of road conditions. Nah.
Quoting atmoaggie:

I don't know exactly why Windows gets so unstable and needs to be restarted from time to time just to continue to function. I dunno know enough about what is under the hood, there.

Linux has a lot of open source coding in it. These are the hacks that look at a program, even one embedded in the OS itself, see something that could be done more efficiently, effectively, safely, etc. make the change and submit it to a code repository. If accepted and works as advertised, that change may make it into the same Linux we download and install.

Stability is my favorite thing about Linux. (Told this one before) I shut down a Linux server to move it and checked it's "uptime". It had not been shutdown or restarted in 860-something days and it runs 24-7 running buoy obs, a weather model, etc. That machine is using all 4 processor cores more than it isn't.

Last, Linux is the right price. FREE! (Well most of the 100s of distributions are anyway)
I have Windows XP and i see a slow down or stoppage and it is aggravating. It is a little better since i change to Firefox.
Thanks again. I am heading to Montana Thursday for hunt then back to Michigan for the rest of Nov. One week on the snowmobile in January and my winter is dunzee. I drilled oil wells in North east Montana in the early 80`s and the cold out there was shocking even to a guy from northern Mich.
Quoting rinkrat61:
Thanks again. I am heading to Montana Thursday for hunt then back to Michigan for the rest of Nov. One week on the snowmobile in January and my winter is dunzee. I drilled oil wells in North east Montana in the early 80`s and the cold out there was shocking even to a guy from northern Mich.
My wife told me someone like me who have not out of the SE does not know what winter is. She has good memories, but she does not miss it.
Quoting mossyhead:
My wife told me someone like me who have not out of the SE does not know what winter is. She has good memories, but she does not miss it.

It is a completely different life up there. Driving to work for up to six or seven months on icy and dangerous roads and in my case remote locations. I gotta tell ya though, the winters up there are not what they used to be. Last year was almost back to normal but living as "close to nature" as I did I see the change that has happened and it is sad.
Quoting StPete:
Just doing my best to help TampaSpin. BYE!


Yep your gone alright! Never once did i forecast a storm to hit Tampa.....LOL
Quoting BurnedAfterPosting:


Wow you are an idiot lol, that is as nice as I can put it

TampaSpin never once said he though the storm was coming to Tampa. People like you should not be allowed to post during these times where this blog is so active. You waste space by trying to antagonize and twist the words of those who are trying to answer questions and give honest opinions.



BAP leave it alone .....i really appreciate that. He will be banished in a few...The Administror will take care of it.....no big deal. Thanks my friend.
Quoting TampaSpin:
551. StPete 12:50 AM EST on November 11, 2009

Thanks! I welcome all feedback! You do a great service.......BYE!

great answer, you are a bigger man than him
559. xcool
just flag move on
Its very easy to complain about someones elses efforts when no effort is supported by the one complaining.....It's all good tho.
Quoting xcool:
just flag move on


Xcool gotta tell ya...you did a great job with your posting on Ida....very good work
Quoting StPete:
That is fair. I use Dr. Master's blog to learn about tropical weather in Tampa Bay and it just seems that there are those who hope bad weather hits.

They may live there and the possibility might exist for the storm to go there. This blog is the place for that type of discussion.
563. xcool
TampaSpin thank alot .
Again, that is fair. I was just stating an opinion.
Quoting xcool:
TampaSpin thank alot .


You got mail
566. xcool
mail
Hey all! All opinions are welcomed but, i sure don't consider myself a wishcaster as many times this year as i was labeled a downcaster......i know it was far more than 50% of the time i was labeled a downcaster.....LOL
568. xcool
haha
569. xcool
TampaSpin i`m go bed .i seeing you later.working at 600am
570. xcool
bye
Quoting xcool:
bye


Nite my friend.......sleep well..I'm out as well.....

Thanks also BurnedAfterPosting....true friend! Thanks!

rinkrat61 thank you also....really appreciate your support.
Tampa Spin Firefox cannot open your site
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
Thank you KOG
India Meteorological Department
Tropical Cyclone Bulletin Number ELEVEN
CYCLONIC STORM PHYAN (ARB03-2009)
8:30 AM IST November 11 2009
==========================================

Subject: Cyclonic Storm Over East Central Arabian Sea

Cyclone warning for south Gujarat and north Maharashtra: Red message

At 3:00 AM UTC, Cyclonic Storm Phyan over eastcentral Arabian Sea moved north-northeastwards and lays centered over same area near 17.0N 72.0E, or about 130 km west of Ratnagiri, 250 km south-southwest of Mumbai and 500 km south-southwest of Surat.

The system is likely to intensify further and move north-northeastwards and cross south Gujarat and north Maharashtra coast between Alibagh and Valsad by late this evening/night
Quoting TampaSpin:
Hey all! All opinions are welcomed but, i sure don't consider myself a wishcaster as many times this year as i was labeled a downcaster......i know it was far more than 50% of the time i was labeled a downcaster.....LOL


You wishcaster? LOL, Tampaspin you provide evidence to back your forecasts up. You're definitely not a wishcaster, there was a chance for Ida to hit Florida as a cane, that's not wishcasting, it's a possibility, yet so many people on here now think possibilities are wishcasts.
Hey Tampa,

I really liked the way you handled that guy, great job! I just wish everyone could do that.
I appreciate your input on this blog, and you provide us all with excellent maps, graphs, and forecasts.

Keep up the great work!

-Matt
India Meteorological Department
Tropical Cyclone Bulletin Number TWELVE
CYCLONIC STORM PHYAN (ARB03-2009)
11:30 AM IST November 11 2009
==========================================

Subject: Cyclonic Storm Over East Central Arabian Sea

Cyclone warning for south Gujarat and north Maharashtra: Red message

At 6:00 AM UTC, Cyclonic Storm Phyan over east central Arabian Sea moved northeastwards and lay centered over same area near 17.5N 72.5E, about 70 km west of Harnai, 180 km south-southwest of Mumbai and 430 km south-southwest of Surat.

The system is likely to move north-northeastwards and cross south Gujarat and north Maharashtra coast between Alibagh and Valsad, close to Mumbai by this afternoon/evening.

Forecast and Intensity
=======================
6 HRS: 19.5N 74.0E - 30 knots (Deep Depression)
12 HRS: 21.5N 75.0E - 20 knots (Low Pressure Area)
the winds are starting to pick up,wishcasting you say,i say nay.you are not going to stop mother nature. Just sit back and observe.
MARINE...
UPDATE: BASED ON FASTER AND MUCH STRONGER TRENDS, AND LATEST 06 Z
NAM/SREF/WRF GUIDANCE...HAVE DECIDED TO UPGRADE TO STORM WARNING
FOR TONIGHT. HV OPTED TO DROP GALE FOR ALL WATERS (EXCEPT FOR
MIDDLE CHES BAY) AND GO STRAIGHT TO STORM WARNING, SINCE STORM
FORCE GUSTS ARE EXPECTED TO BEGIN EVENING.

URGENT - MARINE WEATHER MESSAGE
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE WAKEFIELD VA
600 AM EST WED NOV 11 2009

ANZ632-633-650-652-654-656-658-111900-
/O.CON.KAKQ.SR.W.0001.000000T0000Z-091113T1600Z/
CHESAPEAKE BAY FROM NEW POINT COMFORT TO CAPE HENRY VA-
CURRITUCK SOUND-
COASTAL WATERS FROM FENWICK ISLAND DE TO CHINCOTEAGUE VA OUT TO
20 NM-
COASTAL WATERS FROM CHINCOTEAGUE TO PARRAMORE ISLAND VA OUT TO
20 NM-
COASTAL WATERS FROM PARRAMORE ISLAND TO CAPE CHARLES LIGHT VA OUT
TO 20 NM-
COASTAL WATERS FROM CAPE CHARLES LIGHT VA TO NC VA BORDER OUT TO
20 NM-
COASTAL WATERS FROM NC VA BORDER TO CURRITUCK BEACH LIGHT NC OUT
TO 20 NM-
600 AM EST WED NOV 11 2009

...STORM WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 11 AM EST FRIDAY...

A STORM WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 11 AM EST FRIDAY.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

A STORM WARNING MEANS WINDS OF 48 TO 63 KNOTS ARE IMMINENT OR
OCCURRING. RECREATIONAL BOATERS SHOULD REMAIN IN PORT...OR TAKE
SHELTER UNTIL WINDS AND WAVES SUBSIDE. COMMERCIAL VESSELS SHOULD
PREPARE FOR VERY STRONG WINDS AND DANGEROUS SEA CONDITIONS...AND
CONSIDER REMAINING IN PORT OR TAKING SHELTER IN PORT UNTIL WINDS
AND WAVES SUBSIDE.
reed and tampa=wishcasters two top five wishcasters on the blog telling each other there not wishcasting
584. MahFL
I would not class 1 inch of rain as "heavy rain".
585. MahFL
The line of rain fizzeled out as it made it to Jacksonville.
I would not class 1 inch of rain as "heavy rain".

Unless it fell in 15min.
the new invest is a huge system so big doubt it can wind up
Good morning all!
For those interested in making a donation to assist in disaster relief for El Salvador, Portlight.org has a Paypal donation page set up for this. All funds raised will be forwarded to José Luis Escobar Alas, Catholic Archbishop of San Salvador, and used to assist flooding victims at the discretion of the Archbishop.

Jeff Masters


Link
Invest 98L
NON-TROPICAL LOW PRESSURE AREA CENTERED ABOUT 400 MILES
SOUTH-SOUTHWEST OF BERMUDA

Invest 98L

591. P451
Tampa, it looks to me like your registration has expired on your domain name.

Contact your host.


Quoting presslord:
Good morning all!
For those interested in making a donation to assist in disaster relief for El Salvador, Portlight.org has a Paypal donation page set up for this. All funds raised will be forwarded to José Luis Escobar Alas, Catholic Archbishop of San Salvador, and used to assist flooding victims at the discretion of the Archbishop.

Jeff Masters


Link


I just donated Paul, but note that your link takes you back to the Dr's blog and not directly to Portlight.
Thanks for all you do!
593. P451
Extratropical Ida has a good reach to her. Giving me a humid showery morning all the way up in NJ. Interacting a bit with a weak front but it's Ida's moisture alright. (And the boc hybrid, and 96e, and the texas ull, and the n-mexico trough, etc).






Pressures also falling over the entire east coast. I wonder if the suggested nor'easter could indeed form as an end result to all of this.

594. P451
Quoting leftovers:
reed and tampa=wishcasters two top five wishcasters on the blog telling each other there not wishcasting


Reed is usually in favor of development, true. Tampa? Tampa calls it as he sees it IMO.

I mean, all throughout Ida I've been called a wishcaster, doomcaster, downcaster, upcaster, northcaster, and everything inbetween. All I did was analyze what I saw and provided loops and graphic images to explain what I thought was going to happen and why.

The funny thing is that what I, and several others discussed, did in fact come together, albeit not as intense in the end as thought.

I still have people telling me I was wrong and deal with it - when I was actually right about all the systems merging together. As the event continued to unfold and afterwards I explained why things did not come together to provide as intense (60mph extratropical system) as first thought possible.

So, well, LOL.

Of interest was I not only discussed the option I thought had a good chance of happening, I also discussed the other two viable options that the blog floated around. Yet that fact just gets swept under the rug.

I think we have to learn to not respond to those who give the one liner responses....and save our responses for those who debate our opinions in a like manner as we present our own opinions - with detailed descriptions as to why they disagree with our assessments.

But, well, as Floodman said last night, sometimes it's hard not to take the gloves off, and defend yourself.

Ah well...
595. P451
Quoting tropicofcancer:


I just donated Paul, but note that your link takes you back to the Dr's blog and not directly to Portlight.
Thanks for all you do!


Yeah,

"http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/www.portlight.org"

Is what comes when you mouse over. I've seen that happen to other people. Happened to me once posting a link. I spotted and fixed it...now I forget what I did that day that causes that result. Oops.
Good morning all :)
Nor'easter Ida? I remember Nor'easter Noel back in 2007.

Happen Veterans day!
thank god for these wishcasters on a yr like this there would not be much to read. huge system out there in the atlantic
Quoting miajrz:
#443:
1. I was hoping to hear and learn more about why things didn't turn out. Only seen one post (working today) which said (1) Ida stayed tropical longer than expected; if it'd gone extratropical 12 hours earlier, would have been much different;(2) gulf low didn't develop as expected. I'd love to know why & hope to hear from these bloggers when they're done figuring out why things didn't happen as they thought they might (you know they're scrubbing this one.)
#442:
(blush) In a fit of madness, I had Pong attached to my (wow, it's so big) 23" tv.



I'am not a meteorologist, but I know just enough to make me dangerous to my peers ..lol.
I believe the convergence of three lows was at least partially explained but here is my take. A subtropical system (which the models showed Ida becoming in the GOM)can converge with another low and gain strength from it. A good example is a subtropical storm ingesting a tropical system like a hurricane. What happens is the pressure drops much lower in the subtropical system and it gains the moisture. Since subtropical systems have larger wind field (also farther away from the core) they can impact a much larger area with gale force winds up to hurricane force. If you watched Ida closely you could see about 12 hours prior to landfall she regained some intensity by ingesting the weaker low to her west. Albeit shear was too great at that point. Add a frontal system dropping in and you increase the pressure gradient between the low and the high behind the front. That also increases the potential gale event north of the storm, do not try to drive the boat home through that pressure gradient! Tampaspin and Reed used the Halloween storm as an example, problem is, the timing has to be perfect, the BOC low never developed and the front was too late (ie Ida was too fast). A good example of this is might occur in the next day or two, the low to the east 98l and Ida's surface low might merge as another front begins to dip. Forecast for NC and just north is 35-45 knot gale with seas to 25 feet as of now, might go up, also 9 inches of rain, that's a pretty significant storm I would say. No?
Quoting leftovers:
reed and tampa=wishcasters two top five wishcasters on the blog telling each other there not wishcasting


You really are confused aren't you? Reeds usually pretty good at his forecasting, and Tampa called Claudette's formation well before the NHC did. We thought he was crazy when he looked at the Tampa radar and started to see a circulation form. Apparently the NHC noticed it too and they upped Pre-Claudette to 'Red' from 'Yellow',
Ok, there is rain, and then there is rain.
Ida may have brought surf and rain along a northerly track with the wave of thunderstorms that headed that way.
The part of the track that headed east across Florida scarcely broght an inch to the central part of the state.
The forecast says rain today, but the radar is already clear.
Just saying that what the models were calling the storm and the center of thunderstorm activity seemed very different after landfall.
Quoting biff4ugo:
Ok, there is rain, and then there is rain.
Ida may have brought surf and rain along a northerly track with the wave of thunderstorms that headed that way.
The part of the track that headed east across Florida scarcely broght an inch to the central part of the state.
The forecast says rain today, but the radar is already clear.
Just saying that what the models were calling the storm and the center of thunderstorm activity seemed very different after landfall.


yes I was hoping for serious rain here in central FL. It states 40% chance but your right...radar is clear. How can that be?

Re: #588. presslord

...Paul note that your link takes you back to the Dr's blog
...seen that happen to other people. Happened to me once posting a link.

As I see it... Presslord is a big wheel... and this appears to be a cumulative rotational trajectory caused problem.

heh heh

I have read over the last few days that shear actually helps an extratropical storm to form. So wouldn't it help the one in the atlantic form? If not ....please explain why.

Thanks! :)
605. P451
Quoting DoubleAction:


I'am not a meteorologist, but I know just enough to make me dangerous to my peers ..lol.
I believe the convergence of three lows was at least partially explained but here is my take. A subtropical system (which the models showed Ida becoming in the GOM)can converge with another low and gain strength from it. A good example is a subtropical storm ingesting a tropical system like a hurricane. What happens is the pressure drops much lower in the subtropical system and it gains the moisture. Since subtropical systems have larger wind field (also farther away from the core) they can impact a much larger area with gale force winds up to hurricane force. If you watched Ida closely you could see about 12 hours prior to landfall she regained some intensity by ingesting the weaker low to her west. Albeit shear was too great at that point. Add a frontal system dropping in and you increase the pressure gradient between the low and the high behind the front. That also increases the potential gale event north of the storm, do not try to drive the boat home through that pressure gradient! Tampaspin and Reed used the Halloween storm as an example, problem is, the timing has to be perfect, the BOC low never developed and the front was too late (ie Ida was too fast). A good example of this is might occur in the next day or two, the low to the east 98l and Ida's surface low might merge as another front begins to dip. Forecast for NC and just north is 35-45 knot gale with seas to 25 feet as of now, might go up, also 9 inches of rain, that's a pretty significant storm I would say. No?


Well said. I've explained the event as many times as I can. Used graphics. Etc. I'm all explained out. I concur with what you said.

Quoting P451:
Extratropical Ida has a good reach to her. Giving me a humid showery morning all the way up in NJ. Interacting a bit with a weak front but it's Ida's moisture alright. (And the boc hybrid, and 96e, and the texas ull, and the n-mexico trough, etc).






Pressures also falling over the entire east coast. I wonder if the suggested nor'easter could indeed form as an end result to all of this.



Just on the northern edge here in PA. 451, looks like you may get more rain.

Have you looked at any of the surf reports for the next couple of days. I heard that along the Delmar they are expected to pretty heavy.
607. P451
Quoting SpicyAngel1072:
I have read over the last few days that shear actually helps an extratropical storm to form. So wouldn't it help the one in the atlantic form? If not ....please explain why.

Thanks! :)


Shear helps an extratropical system to intensify (by ventilating it)

There is a chance, albeit looking rather small to me right now, that Ida could linger and merge with 98L somewhere off the Pressolinas (also known as North and South Carolina).

If that happens, again as before, you have two systems coming together, one absorbs the other's energy, and the resulting system has a chance to "bomb" (ie intensify rapidly).

Now, what does result from either the merger of - or - of these systems remaining separate - you're looking at rainy and increasingly windy weather up the East Coast (rain to NJ, and then possibly clipping SE Mass) and wind all up and down the coast due to an increasing pressure gradient.

The ocean will be very rough. Coastal flooding (due to NE winds pushing water to the coast) and moderate coastal erosion (due to wave action 9-15 feet depending on your location).

Are we talking superstorm? 10% chance. Are we talking a very strong xtrop storm? 30% chance. Are we talking what we see intensifying moderately as it moves out to sea (which they do as a norm)? 60% chance. That's where I'd put it right now.

Why do I not give it as big a chance to come together as I gave Ida/hybrid/96E? Proximity to each other. XTrp Ida would have to move quite slowly to "wait" for 98L to show up. If they get close enough, they would merge, and a much stronger storm would evolve. Yet, it will be "brushing" the coast, not hugging it - moving northward. Still, those it brushes, especially coastal communities and back bay regions? And the Pressolinas (heavy rain) are going to have a nasty time of it.

608. P451
Quoting lawntonlookers:


Just on the northern edge here in PA. 451, looks like you may get more rain.

Have you looked at any of the surf reports for the next couple of days. I heard that along the Delmar they are expected to pretty heavy.


Yeah, pretty big surf coming:

(the back bays are not represented on this chart and given a value of 0, they will be just as rough)





Line of showers and thunderstorms moving over South Florida. Should become more prolific with the heating of the day.

603. are you sure it's not the conservation of angular momentum that's causing the problem? :)
611. MZV
Looks like this could shape up to be a wild nor'easter in a few days. The wind forecasts for the inland Carolinas are already pretty impressive.
System finally clearing the Georgia area:
Flood Warning
Statement as of 3:05 AM EST on November 11, 2009


... Flood Warning extended until late Friday night... the Flood Warning
continues for
the Ocmulgee River near Macon
* from early tomorrow until late Friday night.
* At 2 am EST Wednesday the stage was 18.2 feet... and rising.
* Minor flooding is occurring. Minor flood is forecast to continue.
* Flood stage is 18.0 feet. Moderate flood stage is 26.0 feet.
* Forecast to continue to rise to near 22.3 feet early Friday
afternoon. The river is forecast to fall below flood stage by
Sunday.
* At 19.0 feet... minor flooding continues. The Macon Greenway
Ocmulgee heritage trail will begin to flood in areas just north of
the fifth street bridge. Citizens of the trail will need to stop
use. In addition... the lowest sections of the Charles Jones Gateway
Park will flood.






Wind Advisory
Statement as of 3:20 AM EST on November 11, 2009


... Wind Advisory remains in effect until 7 PM EST this evening...

A Wind Advisory remains in effect until 7 PM EST this evening...
for all of north and central Georgia.

A strong pressure gradient will continue over the area due to the
remnants of Ida and strong high pressure over the Great Lakes
area. Winds of 15 to 30 mph with gusts of 35 to 40 can be
expected to continue through this evening. Additionally... with
wet ground conditions across the area... it will not take very
strong winds for trees to begin to fall.

Precautionary/preparedness actions...

A Wind Advisory means that winds of 20 to 35 mph are expected.
Winds this strong can make driving difficult... especially for
high profile vehicles. Use extra caution.







Record Report
Statement as of 4:15 am EST on November 11, 2009


... Record daily maximum rainfall set at Atlanta...

a record rainfall of 4.05 inches was set at Atlanta yesterday. This
breaks the old record of 2.57 set in 1966.



614. beell
Very nice Discussion from these guys this morning (link to full discussion below).

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NEWPORT/MOREHEAD CITY NC
441 AM EST WED NOV 11 2009

SHORT TERM /6 PM THIS EVENING THROUGH SATURDAY/...
-- Changed Discussion --AS OF 4 AM TUE...THE UPPER SHORTWAVE TROUGH WILL CONTINUE TO PUSH
TOWARD THE COAST TONIGHT THEN DEVELOP INTO A CUT-OFF LOW OFF THE
NC COAST THU AND FRI. THE SFC LOW WILL CONTINUE TO TRACK NEWD JUST
OFF THE SE COAST WHILE DEEPENING AND BECOMING VERTICALLY STACKED
WITH THE CUT-OFF LOW FRI AND SAT. THE SYSTEM WILL BE SLOW TO PUSH
E OF THE AREA WITH IMPACTS EXPECTED TO CONTINUE THROUGH THE END OF
THE WEEK. THE SYSTEM FINALLY GETS PUSHED E OF THE REGION SAT AS A
ROBUST NRN STREAM SHORTWAVE DIVES INTO THE GREAT BASIN ALLOWING
FOR UPPER RIDGING TO BUILD ACROSS THE ERN STATES.

Newport / Morehead City NC Area Forecast Discussion
Really needed that storm to plow into the south Florida area. Family business dependent upon heavy rains. Gainesville is rather unscathed by rain or wind. Humid cloudy morning with light showers.
Happy Veteran's Day fellow veteran's. I don't think Dr. Masters will mind a little off-topic on this one. Thank you all ladies and gentlemen for your service. Always reminds me of our friends who are not here to remember it with us.
Extratropical Water Level Forecast

Select desired area for forecast above normal tide levels.
Thanks P451!!
beell, I read that too. What cut off low are they talking about? 98L?


AOI

AOI

AOI

AOI

TS BUSTED FORECAST, to be used in the event you make a minor discrepancy in your forecast.
Good morning...
98L another risque swirl



Thank you to all Veterans and those currently serving.

Yahoo "Buzz" page
The 11th Hour: The Date Behind Veterans Day
by Claudine Zap


While most know that Veterans Day honors those who have served in the military, the meaning behind its exact date (November 11) may not be so familiar. Here's the backstory:

Back in 1918, in the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month, a stop to hostilities was declared, ending World War I. An armistice to cease the fighting on the Western Front was signed by the Allied powers and Germany.

President Woodrow Wilson immediately proclaimed the day "Armistice Day," kicking off the annual commemoration on November 11. But over the years, with veterans returning from World War II and the Korean War, Armistice Day became Veterans Day — a day reserved to honor veterans returning from all wars. But 11/11 still represented the end of the Great War in the public's mind, and the date stuck.

In 1921, unidentified dead from the war were buried in Arlington National Cemetery in Washington, D.C., Westminster Abbey in London, and the Arc de Triomphe in Paris. The tradition to honor those killed in the war but never identified continues every year in the U.S. The ceremony is held at 11 a.m. at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier at Arlington National Cemetery.

Congress designated Veterans Day as a legal holiday in 1938, and since then, most Americans have come to know it as a day for store sales and parades. Yahoo! Searches on the holiday have already surged on the Web. People want to know "veterans day history," "veterans day closings," veterans day sales," and "veterans day free meals."
Quoting DoubleAction:


I'am not a meteorologist, but I know just enough to make me dangerous to my peers ..lol.
I believe the convergence of three lows was at least partially explained but here is my take. A subtropical system (which the models showed Ida becoming in the GOM)can converge with another low and gain strength from it. A good example is a subtropical storm ingesting a tropical system like a hurricane. What happens is the pressure drops much lower in the subtropical system and it gains the moisture. Since subtropical systems have larger wind field (also farther away from the core) they can impact a much larger area with gale force winds up to hurricane force. If you watched Ida closely you could see about 12 hours prior to landfall she regained some intensity by ingesting the weaker low to her west. Albeit shear was too great at that point. Add a frontal system dropping in and you increase the pressure gradient between the low and the high behind the front. That also increases the potential gale event north of the storm, do not try to drive the boat home through that pressure gradient! Tampaspin and Reed used the Halloween storm as an example, problem is, the timing has to be perfect, the BOC low never developed and the front was too late (ie Ida was too fast). A good example of this is might occur in the next day or two, the low to the east 98l and Ida's surface low might merge as another front begins to dip. Forecast for NC and just north is 35-45 knot gale with seas to 25 feet as of now, might go up, also 9 inches of rain, that's a pretty significant storm I would say. No?


I agree with everything you stated. I was a little agressive with the development of the storm as a whole but,if you look at my blog i posted i also stated that the Xtrap Low must develop better to be a player for all to come to gether and you soe well put it, that did not happen. The timing just was not there as IDA speed up just fast enough to not allow the 3 to come together. Great job of putting everything into words! Nice piece.
625. beell
Quoting largeeyes:
beell, I read that too. What cut off low are they talking about? 98L?


The same shortwave that dipped down into the GOM from TX. This was the feature that gave us all fits on timing. Sooner-Ida turns E while still in the GOM. Slower-Ida comes straight N. We know how that worked out. I believe it entrained some of the mid level vorticity ripped off the top of Ida from the very high shear encountered.

A model look before it cuts off over the SE:
06Z GFS 500mb/Valid 12Z




Valid Thursday, 12Z
Patrap, CyberTeddy, Grothar, StormW and others that I have not intentionally left out...

Thank you for your service to our country. It is greatly appreciated and not forgotten.

I was actually awoken last night by rain in Cape Coral Fl....the first measurable rain it seems in forever! My grass looked happy today. Nice pic caicos.....she is classically naked!
High Wind Warning
(Also under Coastal Flood Watches & High Surf Advisories)

URGENT - WEATHER MESSAGE
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MOUNT HOLLY NJ
943 AM EST WED NOV 11 2009

...STRONG WINDS ARE EXPECTED ALONG THE NEW JERSEY AND DELAWARE
COASTS AND NEARBY INLAND AREAS...

DEZ004-NJZ024-112245-
/O.NEW.KPHI.HW.W.0003.091111T2300Z-091113T1100Z/
DELAWARE BEACHES-ATLANTIC COASTAL CAPE MAY-
INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...REHOBOTH BEACH...OCEAN CITY
943 AM EST WED NOV 11 2009

...HIGH WIND WARNING IN EFFECT FROM 6 PM THIS EVENING TO 6 AM EST
FRIDAY...

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN MOUNT HOLLY HAS ISSUED A HIGH
WIND WARNING...WHICH IS IN EFFECT FROM 6 PM THIS EVENING TO 6 AM
EST FRIDAY.

WITH HIGH PRESSURE TO OUR NORTH AND LOW PRESSURE REMAINING TO OUR
SOUTH...A STRONG AND PERSISTENT NORTHEAST FLOW IS EXPECTED ALONG
THE COASTS OF NEW JERSEY AND DELAWARE THROUGH FRIDAY. WIND ARE
EXPECTED TO INCREASE TO AROUND 40 MPH AT TIMES WITH GUSTS TO 60
MPH POSSIBLE TONIGHT THROUGH THURSDAY NIGHT. THE STRONG WINDS
MIGHT ALSO CONTINUE INTO FRIDAY.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

A HIGH WIND WARNING MEANS A HAZARDOUS HIGH WIND EVENT IS EXPECTED
OR OCCURRING. SUSTAINED WIND SPEEDS OF AT LEAST 40 MPH OR GUSTS
OF 58 MPH OR MORE CAN LEAD TO PROPERTY DAMAGE.

post 626...very nice...
we will find out soon if ida redevelops somewhat. her remains are moving offshore
...also...I believe in Canada it's celebrated as Remembrance Day...and "Thanks!" to those veterans, as well...
631. do the dates coincide? i was not aware of that.
pearland...I'm not 100% sure...but according to my DayPlanner they do...
Thanks google search --

from Veterans Affairs Canada:

Facts on Remembrance Day

* Remembrance Day commemorates Canadians who died in service to Canada from the South African War to current missions. It is held every November 11.
* The first Remembrance Day was conducted in 1919 throughout the Commonwealth. Originally called Armistice Day, it commemorated the end of the First World War on Monday, November 11, 1918, at 11 a.m.: the eleventh hour of the eleventh day of the eleventh month.
* From 1923 to 1931, Armistice Day was held on the Monday of the week in which November 11 fell. Thanksgiving was also celebrated on this day.
* In 1931, MP Allan Neill introduced a bill to hold Armistice Day on a fixed day - November 11. During the bill's introduction, it was decided the word "Remembrance" would be used instead of "Armistice." The bill passed and Remembrance Day was first conducted on November 11, 1931. Thanksgiving Day was moved to October 12 that year.
* The poppy is the symbol of Remembrance Day. Replica poppies are sold by the Royal Canadian Legion to raise money for Veterans.

Quoting pearlandaggie:
631. do the dates coincide? i was not aware of that.


from Wikipedia:
Common British, Canadian, South African, and ANZAC traditions include two minutes of silence at the eleventh hour of the eleventh day of the eleventh month (11:00 am, 11 November), as that marks the time (in the United Kingdom) when armistice became effective.

The Service of Remembrance in many Commonwealth countries generally includes the sounding of "Last Post," followed by the two minutes of silence, followed by the sounding of "Reveille" (or, more commonly, "The Rouse"), and finished by a recitation of the "Ode of Remembrance." The "Flowers of the Forest", "O Valiant Hearts", "I Vow to Thee, My Country" and "Jerusalem" are often played during the service. Services also include wreaths laid to honour the fallen, a blessing, and national anthems.[2]
Quoting AwakeInMaryland:
Thanks google search --

from Veterans Affairs Canada:

Facts on Remembrance Day

* Remembrance Day commemorates Canadians who died in service to Canada from the South African War to current missions. It is held every November 11.
* The first Remembrance Day was conducted in 1919 throughout the Commonwealth. Originally called Armistice Day, it commemorated the end of the First World War on Monday, November 11, 1918, at 11 a.m.: the eleventh hour of the eleventh day of the eleventh month.
* From 1923 to 1931, Armistice Day was held on the Monday of the week in which November 11 fell. Thanksgiving was also celebrated on this day.
* In 1931, MP Allan Neill introduced a bill to hold Armistice Day on a fixed day - November 11. During the bill's introduction, it was decided the word "Remembrance" would be used instead of "Armistice." The bill passed and Remembrance Day was first conducted on November 11, 1931. Thanksgiving Day was moved to October 12 that year.
* The poppy is the symbol of Remembrance Day. Replica poppies are sold by the Royal Canadian Legion to raise money for Veterans.



It is Remembrance day here also... if that is the question :)


Quoting presslord:
...also...I believe in Canada it's celebrated as Remembrance Day...and "Thanks!" to those veterans, as well...


And to all the nations around the world who have supported our Country as well.
Quoting pearlandaggie:
Patrap, CyberTeddy, Grothar, StormW and others that I have not intentionally left out...

Thank you for your service to our country. It is greatly appreciated and not forgotten.



Hear hear! Our heartfelt gratitude to all of you and particularly those that aren't with us, that gave what Lincoln called "The last full mesaure of devotion". We owe you our freedom...
I was not aware of Remembrance Day in Canada. Thanks also for all the contributions of those veterans over the years. They certainly have served side-by-side with American soldiers in numerous conflicts.
Quoting Orcasystems:


It is Remembrance day here also... if that is the question :)

Yuppers; Veterans Day in U.S.
Presslord first to remember Canada today, also.
Thanks, neighbors.
Quoting pearlandaggie:
Patrap, CyberTeddy, Grothar, StormW and others that I have not intentionally left out...

Thank you for your service to our country. It is greatly appreciated and not forgotten.



Great day to honor our VETS.....my daughter loves it too....her Birthday is today. She thinks everyone celebrates her BDday by taking off work....LOL! Not, to down play our VETs but, what an incredible job those Boys and Girls do and have done for country that serve us so proud. Wish the Gov. could give every person that stays in the military $100,000 for staying in for 5 yrs once releived of duty. Thats only a $20,000 bonus per year for an underpaid job. If we can throw away tarp money for bonus money what a better way to spend bonus money! Thank you for serving!
SWMBO has put a bunch of Tribute Videos in the remarks section of her Blog.
Quoting presslord:
...also...I believe in Canada it's celebrated as Remembrance Day...and "Thanks!" to those veterans, as well...


In all British Commonwealth Nations I believe today is celebrated as Remembrance Day(that includes Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Jamaica, The Bahamas, etc.)

Thanks to all who have served and continue to serve to protect the freedom of all. Your sacrifice is noted and appreciated.
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TS, you can ask almost any person who has served.. we didn't do it for the money. If we did, we would never have joined, there are much better paying Jobs.
Quoting AwakeInMaryland:
Thanks google search --

from Veterans Affairs Canada:

Facts on Remembrance Day

* Remembrance Day commemorates Canadians who died in service to Canada from the South African War to current missions. It is held every November 11.
* The first Remembrance Day was conducted in 1919 throughout the Commonwealth. Originally called Armistice Day, it commemorated the end of the First World War on Monday, November 11, 1918, at 11 a.m.: the eleventh hour of the eleventh day of the eleventh month.
* From 1923 to 1931, Armistice Day was held on the Monday of the week in which November 11 fell. Thanksgiving was also celebrated on this day.
* In 1931, MP Allan Neill introduced a bill to hold Armistice Day on a fixed day - November 11. During the bill's introduction, it was decided the word "Remembrance" would be used instead of "Armistice." The bill passed and Remembrance Day was first conducted on November 11, 1931. Thanksgiving Day was moved to October 12 that year.
* The poppy is the symbol of Remembrance Day. Replica poppies are sold by the Royal Canadian Legion to raise money for Veterans.



And a simple yet poignant poem was written by Lt. Col John McCrae, MD in 1915 while he was serving as a Royal Canadian Army Doctor during WW I called "In Flanders Field" (its the story of where the poppies come in)

"In Flanders Fields
By: Lieutenant Colonel John McCrae, MD (1872-1918)
Canadian Army

In Flanders Fields the poppies blow
Between the crosses row on row,
That mark our place; and in the sky
The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.

We are the Dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved and were loved, and now we lie
In Flanders fields.

Take up our quarrel with the foe:
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields."
643. i've always felt that honorably discharged veterans should not have to pay income taxes as they've already paid their due...