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Hottest rain on record? Rain falls at 115°F in Needles, California

By: Dr. Jeff Masters, 3:19 PM GMT on August 15, 2012

A searing heat wave rare even for the Desert Southwest sent temperatures soaring to record levels on Monday, with Needles, California tying its record high for the date of 118°F (47.8°C). The temperature might have gone higher in Needles, but a thunderstorm rolled in at 3:20 pm, and by 3:56 pm PDT, rain began falling at a temperature of 115°F (46.1°C). Most of the rain evaporated, since the humidity was only 11%, and only a trace of precipitation was recorded in the rain gauge. Nevertheless, Monday's rain at 115° in Needles sets a new world record for the hottest rain in world history. I don't think many people were outside to experience to experience the feeling of rain falling at 115°, but if they were, it must have been an uncomfortable, sauna-like experience! Thanks go to Dr. Warren Blier of the NWS Monterey office for pointing out this remarkable event to me.

It is exceedingly rare to get rain when the temperature rises above 100°F, since those kind of temperatures usually require a high pressure system with sinking air that discourages rainfall. Monday's rain in Needles was due to a flow of moisture coming from the south caused by the Southwest U.S. monsoon, a seasonal influx of moisture caused by the difference in temperature between the hot desert and the cooler ocean areas surrounding Mexico to the south. According to weather records researcher Maximiliano Herrera, the previous record for hottest rain, which I blogged about in June, was a rain shower at 109°F (43°C) observed in Mecca, Saudi Arabia on June 5, 2012 and in Marrakech, Morocco on July 10, 2010. The 11% humidity that accompanied Monday's rain shower at 115° in Needles was the lowest humidity rain has ever occurred at anywhere on Earth in recorded history, according to Mr. Herrera.


Figure 1. True-color MODIS satellite image of California and Arizona taken at 1:25 pm PDT August 13, 2012. Developing thunderstorms surround Needles, CA, and the line of clouds to the southwest of the city would develop into a thunderstorm that brought rain to the city at 4 pm PDT, at a temperature of 115°F. Image credit: NASA.

A "very rare" heat wave for Phoenix
The heat wave that brought Needles' record hot rain has broken an exceptional number of heat records in Phoenix, Arizona the past two weeks. According to the Phoenix NWS office, the "almost unbearable heat" of the first two weeks of August is a "very rare" event, and August 1 - 14, 2012 was the warmest such 2-week period in city history. The average temperature on August 6 - 13 was 100°F or higher each of the eight days, tying the record for most consecutive days with an average temperature of 100°. The temperature peaked at 116° on August 8, just 6° below Phoenix's all-time record of 122° set on June 26, 1990. The forecast for Phoenix call for a bit of relief--highs are expected to be a relatively modest 105° today, and down near 100° by Friday.


Figure 2. Morning satellite image of 93L over the Central Atlantic.

93L close to tropical depression status
A large tropical wave (Invest 93L) is located in the Central Atlantic about 700 miles east of Bermuda. Satellite loops this morning show a surface circulation has formed, and heavy thunderstorm activity has increased to the point where 93L should be considered a tropical depression, if the heavy thunderstorms can persist through this afternoon. Wind shear is light, and ocean temperatures are warm, near 28°C. The latest Saharan Air Layer Analysis from the University of Wisconsin shows that 93L has moistened its environment considerably, and dry air should no longer be a significant impediment to development. The 8 am EDT run of the SHIPS model predicts that wind shear will remain in the low range through the weekend, and I expect this system will become Tropical Storm Gordon by Friday. The storm will not affect Bermuda, but residents of the Azores Islands should keep an eye on 93L, which could pass through the islands as early as Sunday night. In their 8 am Tropical Weather Outlook, NHC gave 93L an 80% chance of becoming a tropical depression by Friday morning.

Elsewhere in the tropics
In the Gulf of Mexico, a fall-like cold front is expected to stall out early next week, and the GFS model is predicting something could start to spin up near the Texas/Mexico border on Monday. Wind shear is predicted to be low to moderate, and cold fronts stalled out over the Gulf of Mexico often serve as the seed for tropical storms.

Most of the models predict development of a new tropical wave off the coast of Africa 6 - 7 days from now.

Jeff Masters
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A stunning bolt of lightning over a lake in Chandler.

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Reader Comments

Quoting redwagon:

Good gravy....

Friday, officials went door-to-door in the Bayou Corn area to complete questionnaires, including next of kin contact details of locals at home after the mandatory evacuation orders, as Fox News reported, while ABC reported, “If any of the dangers seem to become more imminent,” the present mandatory order will be “escalated to a forced evacuation.”


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Quoting WxGeekVA:



I have no idea what I'd do about this situation if I was a local emerg official. Sinkholes are terrifying enough, add 15 jillion cfs of butane......
It's from the examiner, take it with a grain of salt
Quoting VAbeachhurricanes:
It's from the examiner, take it with a grain of salt


Kinda easy to take with a grain of salt when it isn't in your back yard.
Quoting 954FtLCane:


Kinda easy to take with a grain of salt when it isn't in your back yard.


Well do your research then, but anyone can post anything on that website since it is for amateur journalists.
West Nile virus outbreak triggers Dallas, Tx state of emergency declaration: city to begin first aerial spraying in 46 years

Posted on August 16, 2012
August 16, 2012 TEXAS Dallas Mayor Mike Rawlings on Wednesday declared the city s recent West Nile virus outbreak to be a state of emergency and authorized the first aerial spraying of insecticide in the city in more than 45 years. Dallas and other North Texas cities have agreed to the rare use of aerial spraying from planes to combat the nation s worst outbreak of West Nile virus so far this year..........


Link
I am laughing through my tears.

I just stopped by to see what was happening.. But the poetry.. Brings me back to a night in February when my family was here. All five of my brothers and sister together for my dads 85 birthday. (first time in twenty years we were all in the same place)

What started with.. Three little kittens.. led to Annibel Lee and the charge of the Light Brigade. Three hours of looking up and reading favorite poems...

It's been 2 1/2 months since we were together once again to bury my father. (during tropical storm Beryl)

But that night will always be a high point of my life.

Who knew a weather blog could provoke such emotion.
Napoleonville, La. -

NAPOLEONVILLE, La. (AP) - Gov. Bobby Jindal declared a state of emergency Friday in Assumption Parish after officials ordered an immediate evacuation of the Bayou Corne area because a slurry area appeared to be expanding.......




"The fear of the unknown prompted the evacuation order," said John Boudreaux, director of the parish's Office of Homeland Security and Emergency Preparedness. "The fear of it possibly compromising either the nearby pipelines or cavern storage areas, that could cause a risk to the community."

Boudreaux said about 150 homes are affected by the order. He was unsure how long it would remain in effect. The governor's emergency proclamation extends through Sept. 2 unless terminated earlier.

Boudreaux initially estimated the area was about 200 feet by 200 feet. He said it's on private land near the Texas Brine Co. LLC facility. Police Jury President Marty Triche said that in speaking with the Louisiana Department of Natural Resources and the Governor's Office, he was advised there was a risk that the slurry area could grow to a size of about 2,000 feet across.

Triche told The Advocate that authorities are concerned that if the slurry area expands to that extent, it could affect natural gas, water and other wells working the nearby Napoleonville salt dome.

Sheriff's deputies would not force residents to move, Triche said, but he was issuing the mandatory evacuation order similar to one that would go out if a hurricane threatened the area.

The police jury said the Office of Emergency Preparedness is working with the Red Cross to open a shelter at 8 a.m. Saturday.

The parish president said the evacuation area extends from a point just west of Bayou Corne and La. 70 eastward to the point where La. 69 intersects La. 70.

He added that La. 70 would remain open to vehicular traffic.

A large "slurry area" that has toppled trees formed overnight Thursday in the swamps of northern Assumption Parish below La. 70 where unexplained gas bubbles have been rising from nearby bayous and tremors have been felt for more than two months, parish officials said.

The area's formation - which parish officials initially described as a sinkhole - was also accompanied early Friday by a slight diesel smell in the area that has since dissipated, parish officials said.

The odor prompted parish officials to call in a variety of state agencies Friday morning.

Bob Gresser, a spokesman for Houston-based Texas Brine, said employees detected a hydrocarbon smell resembling diesel in the vicinity of a plugged well tied to a salt cavern around 6:30 a.m.

Gresser said company officials do not believe the smell was emanating from the well, which has been out of service for two years. He said they believe it was coming from the "slurry area," although that is still under investigation.

He said the brine facility is operating normally and the company is cooperating with authorities.

A brine facility mines salt from the Napoleonville dome and then stores hydrocarbons such as natural gas in the caverns that remain after mining is completed.

Natural gas has been seeping up from Bayou Corne and Grand Bayou, which run below and along the side of the reported "slurry area." A suspected water well in the same area has also been venting natural gas.

Residents have also reported contemporaneous tremors in the area, which has a known fault and a salt dome that is mined for brine and used for storage of natural gas and other hydrocarbons.

Federal, state and parish official have been unable so far to pin down the cause of the earthquakes or the source of the natural gas releases, despite of battery of tests on the oil, gas and brine production infrastructure in the area.

The American Red Cross issued this press release Friday night on shelter for evacuated residents:

The American Red Cross is opening a shelter Saturday morning in Assumption Parish after officials called for an evacuation of the Bayou Corne/Grand Bayou areas. Volunteers will open the shelter at 8 a.m. at Belle Rose Middle School in the community of Belle Rose. Evacuated residents who are unable to stay with friends or relatives are welcome at the Red Cross shelter. Make sure to bring required medications and food for any special dietary needs. The Red Cross has been coordinating with parish officials throughout the day, as well as working with local partners.

This report is compiled in part from content by the Associated Press (Copyright 2012. All rights reserved.



Quoting VAbeachhurricanes:
It's from the examiner, take it with a grain of salt


It's been posted in Many "trustable" sites...

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Quoting WxGeekVA:


Something like this?



I mean.. Just look at the size of the potential blast:




What it looks like.

http://www.examiner.com/article/louisiana-sinkhol e-locals-jittery-over-ordered-drilling

Assumption Parish Sheriff Mike Waguespack said Thursday he is now concerned the sinkhole is close to a well containing 1.5 million barrels of liquid butane, a highly volatile liquid that turns into a highly flammable vapor upon release. A breach of that well, he said, could be catastrophic.


http://edition.cnn.com/2012/08/09/us/louisiana-ba you-sinkhole/index.html
Finally caught up with the blog
Quoting CaicosRetiredSailor:

Assumption Parish Sheriff Mike Waguespack said Thursday he is now concerned the sinkhole is close to a well containing 1.5 million barrels of liquid butane, a highly volatile liquid that turns into a highly flammable vapor upon release. A breach of that well, he said, could be catastrophic.


http://edition.cnn.com/2012/08/09/us/louisiana-ba you-sinkhole/index.html

If I was Sheriff you'd see a craigslist posting 'Free Butane. You haul off. Bring pumps. This listing will be removed when butane gone.'

Cause, frankly, I want to build the ultimate man-cave in that sinkhole. Think about it: 67 sports bars, 8 tropical luaus, a few honky-tonks, with helium taxi balloons to get you around. Now what am I going to name my subterranean Disneyland.....
Quoting SLU:
What are the chances of 2 Gordon's in a row striking the Azores?
6,969,600/1.....or so.
1017. Grothar
Quoting redwagon:



What it looks like.

http://www.examiner.com/article/louisiana-sinkhol e-locals-jittery-over-ordered-drilling


They aren't funny. Look at just one truck exploding.

Tokyo Electric Power Co. on Tuesday morning discovered possibly highly radioactive water on the first floor of the No. 4 reactor turbine building at its disaster-crippled Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant. The company believes the water leaked from a pipe that is transferring highly radioactive water from the basement of the No. 3 reactor's turbine building. A TEPCO worker found the water on the floor of a power control room in the No. 4 reactor turbine building at 11:15 a.m. The company confirmed that the leak had stopped by about 1 p.m. after the radioactive water transfer was suspended at 12:20 p.m. According to TEPCO, a puddle of water about one centimeter deep had collected on the floor of the 350-square-meter power control room. There was no water leak outside the room, the company added. The water is estimated to contain tens of thousands of becquerels of radioactive cesium per cubic centimeter, according to the firm.
1019. Grothar
Quoting CosmicEvents:
6,969,600/1.....or so.


You mean a tad?
1020. JLPR2
00z is running. There's our TW, I don't believe the GFS had it developing before, so this is new?



I must admit it worries me a little since the EURO showed pretty much he same last night.
Japan Meteorological Agency
Tropical Cyclone Advisory #30
SEVERE TROPICAL STORM KAI-TAK (T1213)
12:00 PM JST August 16 2012
====================================

SUBJECT: Category Two Typhoon In South China Sea

At 3:00 AM UTC, Severe Tropical Storm Kai-Tak (975 hPa) located at 19.2N 116.4E has 10 minute sustained winds of 60 knots with gusts of 85 knots. The cyclone is reported as moving west at 12 knots.

Dvorak Intensity: T3.5

Storm Force Winds
================
60 NM from the center

Gale Force Winds
================
210 NM from the center

Forecast and Intensity
========================

24 HRS: 21.0N 111.3E - 60 knots (CAT 2/Severe Tropical Storm) Northern South China Sea
45 HRS: 21.9N 107.3E - 40 knots (CAT 1/Tropical Storm) Overland Southern China
69 HRS: 23.6N 102.0E - Tropical Depression Overland Southern China
Night folks. I expect TD8 to be Gordon in the morning.
Quoting mikatnight:


Still only showing 20% chance, though the NWS can make drastic changes in their predictions in just a few hours (and still not get it right)...at times it seems like they're just guessin'...



The NWS in Miami seems to be known for low rain chances in their forecasts unless they really have to raise them, it seems like the forecast is always only 20% to 40% in Miami but they still mange to get a 2 to 4 inch deluge here and there even during these supposed "dry" days. Miami has had over 60 inches for the year now. Maybe the lower rain chances or just there for the chamber of commerce ;) jk of course!
Quoting Grothar:


You mean a tad?
Thank you for your input.
It made me refigure and boy was I off.
I multiplied when I should have added.

Forget about the close to 7 million to 1 odds, thank goodness nobody took me up on that one.
The truer odds I'd set at a surprisingly low 5000/1.
Ya'll see the view from Mars? Weather looks clear.
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Quoting Grothar:


They aren't funny. Look at just one truck exploding.



we had one here couple years ago
sunrise propane
iam in the east end of city
could see the glow in the sky
it was like 2 o'clock in the morning
i though i heard thunder
step out look up
nope thats not thunder
thats something else
WTH did I come to tonight, natural disaster central? :) Saw the sinkhole story yesterday. What would an explosion involving that much butane look like. Would cause a huge explosion with an areal shock wave, I know that much. Anyone done the math on that much butane exploding?
Odds are closer to 25K to one. for multiple same named storms hitting the Azores. That's just the math in my head speaking, and that voice never got me A's beyond Algebra.
Tribun~ The math is at the bottom of one of those articles linked. Looked like ~20miles diameter of a pretty harsh impact.
Thanks so much Skyepony.
1032. JLPR2
-Gordon slipping away from our view heading to Portugal I guess. :\

-Helene spinning in the CATL.

-Isaac developing in the GOM/BOC.

1033. Grothar
Quoting Jedkins01:


The NWS in Miami seems to be known for low rain chances in their forecasts unless they really have to raise them, it seems like the forecast is always only 20% to 40% in Miami but they still mange to get a 2 to 4 inch deluge here and there even during these supposed "dry" days. Miami has had over 60 inches for the year now. Maybe the lower rain chances or just there for the chamber of commerce ;) jk of course!


We are on the coast in Broward and it is dry as I have ever seen it. we have had a few heavy rains at once and the rest of the time not a drop.
1034. Grothar
Quoting Some1Has2BtheRookie:


Well, in the sense that Grothar made a reference to "tilted" it is neither truly good or bad. Although it is heavily "tilted" towards bad. ;-)

My post was my vain attempt at humor. Either I was in a SR-71 spy plane, flying at altitude, or my attempt at humor failed miserably. ... I highly suspect the latter.





I'd like to see you flying one of those things.
Off the southern UK.
1036. wxmod
"Sea ice in the Arctic is disappearing at a far greater rate than previously expected, according to data from the first purpose-built satellite launched to study the thickness of the Earth's polar caps."http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/aug/11 /arctic-sea-ice-vanishing
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Here it is. It's in radius so double to get diameter.

Excluding secondary oil and gas pipeline and refinery explosions, direct effects of such a single bomb blast in Bayou Corne, fifty miles from Baton Rouge, would include Donaldsonville, Louisiana, according to NUKEMAP simulations showing an H-bomb this size would produce:

"Fire-ball radius: (central orange circle): 0.62 km / 0.39 mi. Maximum size of the nuclear fireball; relevance to lived effects depends on height of detonation.

"Air blast radius: 3.8 km / 2.1 mi (red shaded circle) 20 psi overpressure; heavily built concrete buildings are severely damaged or demolished; fatalities approach 100%

"Air blast radius: 8.93 km / 5.55 mi (gray shaded circle) 4.6 psi overpressure; most buildings collapse; injuries universal, fatalities widespread.

"Thermal radiation radius: 15.18 km / 9.43 mi (outer orange shaded circle) Third-degree burns to all exposed skin; starts fires in flammable materials, contributes to firestorm if large enough."

Note: Butane explosion effects would differ from H-bomb effects two ways: 1) It would take much longer and have insignificant radiation damage; 2) Temperatures reached would be lower, so the fireball, thermal radiation, and air blast radii would be smaller, but all three longer-lasting.
Ummmmmm.... anybody checking out the low rider coming through the mdr? Lowest I've seen the gfs with a potential island threat
1040. Grothar
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:


we had one here couple years ago
sunrise propane
iam in the east end of city
could see the glow in the sky
it was like 2 o'clock in the morning
i though i heard thunder
step out look up
nope thats not thunder
thats something else


You know KEEP, you're going to laugh at me after all this time, but where are you?
1041. JLPR2
Quoting mcluvincane:
Ummmmmm.... anybody checking out the low rider coming through the mdr? Lowest I've seen the gfs with a potential island threat


Thank you! I felt very alone for a second. xD I guess there's not much interest in models tonight.
Ouch just read the full articles on the sinkhole. DNR going to get sued and sued some more. This could be the leading story for awhile if it goes wrong. Fires out West are no joke either. Drought won't cause big increases in food in the states any time soon. What's been happening overseas and in third world countries is another story all together. Unrest, big time; drought leading to a huge increase in food prices, was very much a big player in the upheaval in the Middle East this year.
Hell Gro, I know where Keep is, he's posted his conditions locally often. Nothing escapes you Grothar, quit playing with us.
Quoting JLPR2:


Thank you! I felt very alone for a second. xD I guess there's not much interest in models tonight.


Crickets chirping in here, oh well i guess we will see what tomorrow brings, I'm off myself so bid you good night mate
Quoting JLPR2:


Thank you! I felt very alone for a second. xD I guess there's not much interest in models tonight.


I'm watching too. I think this is one of the two waves they discussed earlier in the Marine discussion. Of course written before it had model support.

CARIBBEAN SEA AND TROPICAL N ATLC W OF 55W...
WIND SURGE ACROSS WRN THIRD OF BASIN ASSOCIATED WITH TROPICAL
WAVE HAS WEAKENED SLIGHTLY PAST 12 HOURS...WITH WINDS NEAR 20
KT AND SEAS 6-8 FT FROM 14N-18N AND W OF 79W. TYPICAL BROAD ZONE
OF 20 KT WITH SMALL POCKETS TO 25 KT OFFSHORE OF COLOMBIA
PREVAILS IN CENTRAL CARIB. A TROPICAL WAVE IS ON OUR SURFACE
MAPS ACROSS THE ERN CARIB...BUT ANY AEW ENERGY ASSOCIATED WITH
THE FAR S PORTION OF THE FORMER T.D. 7 WOULD BE MINIMAL...AND
SOME OF THE APPARENT SIGNAL IS LIKELY INDUCED INVERTED
TROUGHING. THUS DO NOT EXPECT MUCH EFFECT ON WIND AND SEAS WITH
THIS PARTICULAR WAVE. THESE TWO FEATURE WILL SHIFT W NEXT 48
HOURS AND MAINTAIN MARINE CONDITIONS NEAR STATUS QUO. VERY BROAD
CYCLONIC TURNING SEEN ACROSS CENTRAL ATLC IN LOW CLOUDS...AND I
AM OF THE OPINION THAT THIS MAY BE THE NORTHERN VORT AND
ASSOCIATED LLVL WIND SURGE AND SAL THAT IS PART OF A LARGE AEW
COMPLEX LINGERING FARTHER TO THE E. W AFRICAN SOUNDINGS SUGGEST
TWO PERTURBATIONS LEAVING THE CONTINENT BACK TO BACK. THIS
FEATURE ALSO DEPICTED ON OUR SURFACE MAPS AS A TROPICAL WAVE AND
WILL RACE W AT 10 DEGREES OR MORE NEXT FEW DAYS...REACHING THE
LESSER ANTILLES BY 12Z FRI..
.WITH SIGNAL IN THE MODELS THEN
DIFFICULT TO FOLLOW. REGARDLESS...THIS LLVL WIND SURGE WILL MOVE
INTO THE TROPICAL ATLC WATERS BY TOMORROW AFTERNOON AND THROUGH
THE CARIBBEAN FRI THROUGH SUN. AS LLVL WIND SURGE AND SHALLOW
MOISTURE HITS THE NE CARIB ISLANDS FRI NIGHT AND SAT...BRIEF BUT
STRONG CONVECTION WITH GUSTY WINDS WILL OCCUR. OTHERWISE TYPICAL
TRADES TO AROUND 20 KT ACROSS THE S CENTRAL CARIBBEAN.


1046. llpj04
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2012/08/11/er in-dnt-lavandera-louisiana-sinkhole-keeps-growing. cnn
here's a cnn video of what the sinkhole looks like

The article I read said the breech in the salt dome could have been caused by a drilling company, but another one said it could have been caused by the earth shifting because some have felt tremors. I think they are trying to remove the butane but said it would take 2 months to do so.

I live about 68 miles (by road) from this site to the north east and the article said the blast would reach 40 miles radius. Let's just hope the earth does not shift further until they get this under control because all it would take is a lightning strike from our daily afternoon storms.




OMG Skyepony, if that worst case blast occurred thousands if not more could die. Wonder what the population density is around there.
What.........? Another yellow circle from a wave off of Africa coming? Waves coming off further south with less SAL as an inhibitor; so the season roars back to life. You out there anywhere CANTBELIEVEIT? Can you believe it now?
1049. Grothar
Quoting Tribucanes:
Hell Gro, I know where Keep is, he's posted his conditions locally often. Nothing escapes you Grothar, quit playing with us.


:)
1050. llpj04
And if that was not enough to think about. The mississippi river is way low and they may have to truck the coal & grain. It takes 18 big trucks to haul what 1 barge hauls. This will run our prices up.

Another problem with the mississippi being low is that salt is creeping up it making the drinking water saltier. EPA's secondary maximum contaminant level for chloride is 250 mg/L. The maximum chloride detected in drinking water in the Port Sulphur area was 362 mg/L.

The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers started work Wednesday on an $8 million underwater levee -- positioned at mile marker 64, just below Belle Chasse -- to stop the salt,(since the salt is at the bottom of the river)
as it did with success during a similar drought 24 years ago. The salt water runs into that levee just as if it was a dry wall.
Our governor (2 hours ago) declared plaquemines parish in a state of emergency so that they can manage that salt water better
http://www.fox8live.com/story/19290052/governor-d eclares-state-of-emergency-in-plaquemines-parish


Also, 63% of the nation's hay acreage and about 73% of cattle acreage are in drought areas , as are about 87% of U.S. corn and 85% of soybeans.

Mother Nature is getting a little mean!
1051. JLPR2
There's Helene and possibly its ticket out over the Central US.

Meanwhile the model shows Joyce emerging a little too north



After this frame I consider everything rubbish, alias ridiculous long range. :P
1052. Grothar
Quoting Tribucanes:
What.........? Another yellow circle from a wave off of Africa coming? Waves coming off further south with less SAL as an inhibitor; so the season roars back to life. You out there anywhere CANTBELIEVEIT? Can you believe it now?


I told everybody two blobs. You all think I just look at them. It is a real science. Here is an excerpt.

Blob maker encapsulates all of the contour extraction process and data, so it can be used inside the image class, or extended and used outside the image class. The general idea is that the blob maker provides the utilites that one would use for blob extraction. Later implementations may include tracking and other features.

extract(img, threshval=127, minsize=10, maxsize=0, threshblocksize=3, threshconstant=5)¶

This method performs a threshold operation on the input image and then extracts and returns the blobs. img - The input image (color or b&w) threshval - The threshold value for the binarize operation. If threshval = -1 adaptive thresholding is used minsize - The minimum blob size in pixels. maxsize - The maximum blob size in pixels. 0=uses the default value. threshblocksize - The adaptive threhold block size. threshconstant - The minimum to subtract off the adaptive threshold

extractFromBinary(binaryImg, colorImg, minsize=5, maxsize=-1, appx_level=3)¶

This method performs blob extraction given a binary source image that is used to get the blob images, and a color source image. binarymg- The binary image with the blobs. colorImg - The color image. minSize - The minimum size of the blobs in pixels. maxSize - The maximum blob size in pixels. * appx_level - The blob approximation level - an integer for the maximum distance between the true edge and the approximation edge - lower numbers yield better approximation.
Quoting Tribucanes:
What.........? Another yellow circle from a wave off of Africa coming? Waves coming off further south with less SAL as an inhibitor; so the season roars back to life. You out there anywhere CANTBELIEVEIT? Can you believe it now?


Have to see what happens in the long run. But this GFS has the Atlantic storm in just about the same place and time the EURO did at 12z.



Quoting Tribucanes:
What.........? Another yellow circle from a wave off of Africa coming? Waves coming off further south with less SAL as an inhibitor; so the season roars back to life. You out there anywhere CANTBELIEVEIT? Can you believe it now?

Here we go...
Central US begging for a tropical entity to dump lots of rain inland. Could very well happen this year. Going to be an intriguing week for the Gulf.
Why your not with the NHC leading the blob division and giving them the science behind it; I'll never know Grothar. :)
1057. llpj04
Quoting Tribucanes:
Ouch just read the full articles on the sinkhole. DNR going to get sued and sued some more. This could be the leading story for awhile if it goes wrong. .


maybe it is why the dnr secretary resigned recently from a job he held for 8 years
1058. sar2401
Quoting llpj04:
And if that was not enough to think about. The mississippi river is way low and they may have to truck the coal & grain. It takes 18 big trucks to haul what 1 barge hauls. This will run our prices up.

Another problem with the mississippi being low is that salt is creeping up it making the drinking water saltier. EPA's secondary maximum contaminant level for chloride is 250 mg/L. The maximum chloride detected in drinking water in the Port Sulphur area was 362 mg/L.

The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers started work Wednesday on an $8 million underwater levee -- positioned at mile marker 64, just below Belle Chasse -- to stop the salt,(since the salt is at the bottom of the river)
as it did with success during a similar drought 24 years ago. The salt water runs into that levee just as if it was a dry wall.
http://www.fox8live.com/story/19290052/governor-d eclares-state-of-emergency-in-plaquemines-parish


Also, 63% of the nation's hay acreage and about 73% of cattle acreage are in drought areas in Louisiana, as are about 87% of U.S. corn and 85% of soybeans.


Umm...huh? Louisiana has suddenly expanded to include to include 63% of the nation's hay acreage and 73% of the cattle acreage? Louisiana is 38th among the 50 states in hay production. That's 0.22% of the nation's hay production. Cattle acreage isn't even that high. This reporter learns to either do some fact checking or write more clearly.
1059. JLPR2


Gordon in the making. TD 8 is looking nice.
Quoting Tribucanes:
Central US begging for a tropical entity to dump lots of rain inland. Could very well happen this year. Going to be an intriguing week for the Gulf.


So far the main difference between the models seeing anything tropical or moving it anywhere is, the EURO sends a trough/front all the way into the gulf off TX. the GFS doesn't make it off the coast. Seems to be what's keeping the low inland until it races off to the west under a building high.
1038 Skyepony>: Here it is. It's in radius so double to get diameter.

Well that's assuming that every two butane molecules would first be mixed with 13 oxygen molecules, then ignited. Extremely improbable that even a miniscule fraction of such mixing could occur before a blast was spontaneously ignited.
A far more likely result from a pipe being broken by the sinkhole would be much much much smaller initial explosion of leaked gas, followed by a relatively small fire at the end of the pipe.

The worst case scenario would be that the backblast from the explosion would multiply rupture the still buried pipeline and storage tank, then bury the leakage points in the blast-fractured soil layers above.
In which case, ya might end up with butane leaking all over the place through that fractured soil to create another (though temporary) Doorway to Hell.

Not nice, but also not equivalent to being H-bombed.
Will the 2am Advisory on TD-08 bump it up to TS Gordon?
sar2401 thanks for clearing those percentages up. I was like, wooooo, Louisiana must be larger than I remember.
1064. sar2401
Quoting llpj04:


maybe it is why the dnr secretary resigned recently from a job he held for 8 years


Y'all realize this sinkhole started on August 3rd, right? And that the sinkhole hasn't expanded since August 10th, right? Don't know why this story has suddenly become big news on WU.
having computer problems here

lets see if this one goes
1066. wxmod
A lot of sabre rattling out there. A foul wind is blowing. That IS weather, isn't it?

"US/NATO/Israel attack on Iran would be a catastrophe for everyone - Bill Ayers"http://www.rt.com/news/us-nato-attack-iran-milita ry-nuclear-124/
1067. JLPR2
And the 384hrs picture just for the heck of it.


As I have said before, this is as real as the Oompa loompas.
Interesting Aspectre. And yah Gordon coming at the two AM advisory or in the morning. Think they'll upgrade at two AM. No need to wait, he's here now.
1069. sar2401
Quoting Grothar:


I told everybody two blobs. You all think I just look at them. It is a real science. Here is an excerpt.

Blob maker encapsulates all of the contour extraction process and data, so it can be used inside the image class, or extended and used outside the image class. The general idea is that the blob maker provides the utilites that one would use for blob extraction. Later implementations may include tracking and other features.

extract(img, threshval=127, minsize=10, maxsize=0, threshblocksize=3, threshconstant=5)¶

This method performs a threshold operation on the input image and then extracts and returns the blobs. img - The input image (color or b&w) threshval - The threshold value for the binarize operation. If threshval = -1 adaptive thresholding is used minsize - The minimum blob size in pixels. maxsize - The maximum blob size in pixels. 0=uses the default value. threshblocksize - The adaptive threhold block size. threshconstant - The minimum to subtract off the adaptive threshold

extractFromBinary(binaryImg, colorImg, minsize=5, maxsize=-1, appx_level=3)¶

This method performs blob extraction given a binary source image that is used to get the blob images, and a color source image. binarymg- The binary image with the blobs. colorImg - The color image. minSize - The minimum size of the blobs in pixels. maxSize - The maximum blob size in pixels. * appx_level - The blob approximation level - an integer for the maximum distance between the true edge and the approximation edge - lower numbers yield better approximation.


LOL, Gro. That's the biggest bunch of math mumbo jumbo ever produced. :)
Quoting sar2401:


Y'all realize this sinkhole started on August 3rd, right? And that the sinkhole hasn't expanded since August 10th, right? Don't know why this story has suddenly become big news on WU.

Cause there is nothing else really going on. It is a potential disaster.

What's the swirl beside TD-08??
ULL??



Strike number 5 on China from a typhoon.
00z GFS and 12z EURO where identical this run.
It'll affect our ability to deal with weather and climate effects, that's for sure wxmod. It would be a disaster if Iran was bombed, so would not acting. There's a chess term for that. Zut something or another. Means no good moves left. Lots of German speakers here. Zutswang or something of that order. I'd agree, that's one big storm coming. Played chess with many masters of the game in my day. Chess at an international level is going on now.
Quoting wxmod:
A lot of sabre rattling out there. A foul wind is blowing. That IS weather, isn't it?

"US/NATO/Israel attack on Iran would be a catastrophe for everyone - Bill Ayers"http://www.rt.com/news/us-nato-attack-iran-milita ry-nuclear-124/


You know Bill Ayers is a terrorist right?
I wouldn't be surprised with the lowering of pressures throughout the Atlantic that we get development in the Caribbean and/or GOM around this time.

My best friend's father was a GrandMaster in chess with over a 2100 rating. While I played often here nationally, and did well, I never beat my best friend or his father in over 1000 games. So don't think I was bragging. :) My winning percentage is well over 90% though and I've beaten dozens with ratings over 1500 and a few masters. Being a Father and chess are all I've got to brag about, so do forgive. :)
1076. sar2401
Quoting VAbeachhurricanes:


You know Bill Ayers is a terrorist right?


You also realize that RT is a Russian news site, right? Bad place to get objective news about Iran and Israel.
Quoting Tribucanes:
My best friend's father was a GrandMaster in chess with over a 2100 rating. While I played often here nationally, and did well, I never beat my best friend or his father in over 1000 games. So don't think I was bragging. :) My winning percentage is well over 90% though and I've beaten dozens with ratings over 1500 and a few masters. Being a Father and chess are all I've got to brag about, so do forgive. :)


Wanna play?
1078. JLPR2
Well I'm out early today, good night!

1079. sar2401
Quoting AussieStorm:

Cause there is nothing else really going on. It is a potential disaster.

What's the swirl beside TD-08??
ULL??



Strike number 5 on China from a typhoon.


We'll have to wait for Grothar to officially declare that swirl as a blob before further comment. :)
I miss playing that's for sure. My best friend Bernard, won nationals his junior and senior year in HS. 4.0 student in HS, never made a B. Was projected to excel at Purdue University or career in chess as a player/teacher. He dropped out of college and gave up chess and now works at Walmart. Great guy still, salt of the earth, just goes to show; you never know what life will bring.
1034 Grothar: [inre SR-71 spy plane] I'd like to see you flying one of those things.

I've wanted to own one since monitoring a real test flight.
The "world speed record" flight between (near)LosAngeles to (near)WashingtonDC was a milk run, probably made to "sow confusion amongst our enemies" inregard to its actual capabilities.
VAbeachhurricanes, we could private message with a few moves every day, that'd be fun. I'd have to pick up a board, haven't played in a decade. If your serious, maybe in a few days then. :)
Quoting Tribucanes:
VAbeachhurricanes, we could private message with a few moves every day, that'd be fun. I'd have to pick up a board, haven't played in a decade. If your serious, maybe in a few days then. :)


Yeah, I got a board that sits on my table. Let me know if you wanna go a round :)
I'll get at cha maybe tomorrow VABeach. Used to be able to play without looking at the board. Those days have passed. You any good? :)
Quoting Tribucanes:
I'll get at cha maybe tomorrow VABeach. Used to be able to play without looking at the board. Those days have passed. You any good? :)


Uh I used to be, I played in tournaments all the time. I may be a bit rusty to start off though haha
G'night all.
good night/ morning everyone. Just got off work and i see we have td 8 and potential ts gordon soon. MJO seems to be on the way too. almost ready to cross over into the atlantic basin.
Tropical Cyclone Bulletin

Here is the latest Tropical Cyclone Bulletin issued by the Hong Kong Observatory.

The Strong Wind Signal, No. 3 was issued at 1:40 p.m.

This means that winds with mean speeds of 41 to 62 km/h are expected.

Kai-tak was estimated to be about 370 kilometers south-southeast of Hong Kong and is forecast to move west-northwest in the general direction of the coast of western Guangdong.

Winds were strengthening gradually in the past few hours. Although Kai-Tak is tracking westward.
Just remind those if they still thinking the season is over
If anyone cared about the new TWO
TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
200 AM EDT THU AUG 16 2012

FOR THE NORTH ATLANTIC...CARIBBEAN SEA AND THE GULF OF MEXICO...

THE NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER IS ISSUING ADVISORIES ON TROPICAL
DEPRESSION EIGHT...LOCATED IN THE CENTRAL ATLANTIC ABOUT 550 MILES
EAST OF BERMUDA.

A TROPICAL WAVE...THE REMNANTS OF TROPICAL DEPRESSION SEVEN...IS
PRODUCING DISORGANIZED SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS OVER THE WESTERN
CARIBBEAN SEA...THE YUCATAN PENINSULA...AND PORTIONS OF CENTRAL
AMERICA. ALTHOUGH THERE IS ONLY A SLIGHT CHANCE OF REGENERATION WHEN
THE WAVE EMERGES OVER THE BAY OF CAMPECHE...LOCALLY HEAVY RAIN IS
POSSIBLE ACROSS PORTIONS OF CENTRAL AMERICA AND SOUTHERN MEXICO
THROUGH LATE TODAY. THIS SYSTEM HAS A LOW CHANCE...10 PERCENT...OF
BECOMING A TROPICAL CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS AS IT MOVES
WEST-NORTHWESTWARD AT 15 TO 20 MPH.

ELSEWHERE...TROPICAL CYCLONE FORMATION IS NOT EXPECTED DURING THE
NEXT 48 HOURS.

&&
PUBLIC ADVISORIES ON TROPICAL DEPRESSION EIGHT ARE ISSUED UNDER WMO
HEADER WTNT33 KNHC AND UNDER AWIPS HEADER MIATCPAT3.
FORECAST/ADVISORIES ON TROPICAL DEPRESSION EIGHT ARE ISSUED UNDER
WMO HEADER WTNT23 KNHC AND UNDER AWIPS HEADER MIATCMAT3.

$$
FORECASTER BLAKE

1092. llpj04
Quoting sar2401:


Umm...huh? Louisiana has suddenly expanded to include to include 63% of the nation's hay acreage and 73% of the cattle acreage? Louisiana is 38th among the 50 states in hay production. That's 0.22% of the nation's hay production. Cattle acreage isn't even that high. This reporter learns to either do some fact checking or write more clearly.

http://www.thenewsstar.com/article/20120815/NEWS0 1/120815026/Parts-northeastern-Louisiana-declared- agricultural-disaster-areas?odyssey=nav%7Chead
oppppsss my bad! Things got a little jumbled up during posting!

this article says:
The USDA reports 63 percent of the nations hay acreage and about 73 percent of cattle acreage are in areas experiencing drought. About 87 percent of the U.S. corn and 85 percent of the soybeans are included in the drought areas.
Quoting Tribucanes:
Kids in Israel must feel like kids did during the 70's and 80's here in the states. As a young boy in the early 80's, I remember very acutely walking outside and wondering if the world was about to end. Action to be taken within 60 by Israel and most likely the West too, implications couldn't be higher.


60 what? Hours? Days? Baktuns?
1095. llpj04
Quoting sar2401:


Y'all realize this sinkhole started on August 3rd, right? And that the sinkhole hasn't expanded since August 10th, right? Don't know why this story has suddenly become big news on WU.

They don't know what has caused the rupture. Maybe a drilling company, maybe a quake, maybe the salt dome was not strong enough. Rumbling was heard.
article says:
initially estimated the area was about 200 feet by 200 feet on private land near the Texas Brine Co. LLC facility. in speaking with the Louisiana Department of Natural Resources and the Governor's Office, there was a risk that the slurry area could grow to a size of about 2,000 feet across.

authorities are concerned that if the slurry area expands to that extent, it could affect natural gas, water and other wells working the nearby Napoleonville salt dome.
Within sixty days look for action against Iran. September 25th-October 25th is my best guess. Israel ain't playn.
Time sensitive comment of the gravest order. PM to access.
Tropical Storm GORDON.
AL, 08, 2012081606, , BEST, 0, 316N, 553W, 35, 1011, TS

7-2-0.
Finally Gordon arrives. Sweet.
Japan Meteorological Agency
Tropical Cyclone Advisory #31
SEVERE TROPICAL STORM KAI-TAK (T1213)
15:00 PM JST August 16 2012
====================================

SUBJECT: Category Two Typhoon In South China Sea

At 6:00 AM UTC, Severe Tropical Storm Kai-Tak (975 hPa) located at 19.3N 115.7E has 10 minute sustained winds of 60 knots with gusts of 85 knots. The cyclone is reported as moving west at 12 knots.

Dvorak Intensity: T3.5

Storm Force Winds
================
60 NM from the center

Gale Force Winds
================
210 NM from the center

Forecast and Intensity
========================

24 HRS: 21.3N 110.1E - 65 knots (CAT 3/Strong Typhoon) Overland Southern China
48 HRS: 22.4N 106.1E - 35 knots (CAT 1/Tropical Storm) Overland Vietnam
72 HRS: 24.1N 101.6E - Tropical Depression Overland Southern China
I think I just caused everyone to get offline and go check their survival kits...
Quoting WxGeekVA:
I think I just caused everyone to get offline and go check their survival kits...
No you're good, it's 3 o'clock in the morning and people are probably asleep unlike Night Owls like us.
1102 not bad for an opening chapter. How it end something like War Games. Care for a game of tic tac toe.
okay so we finally have TS Gordon everyone.
1107. Walshy
Accuweather Winter Forecast Map


Link


Above normal snowfall for the South-East.
Howwwwwwwwww-deeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Quoting HurricaneHunterJoe:
Howwwwwwwwww-deeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Howwwwwwwwww-deeeee to you!
I see we have Gordon now.
according to ATCF, of course.
India to launch Mars orbiter in 2013

Link

(CNN) -- With New Delhi's iconic Red Fort as a backdrop, Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh announced Wednesday his country has set its sights on the Red Planet.

In a Wednesday speech marking India's independence day, Singh said his government has approved plans to put an unmanned probe in orbit around Mars. The mission "will be a huge step for us in the area of science and technology," he said.
It's an ambitious goal, with a planned launch in November 2013 for a 10-month flight, said Kiran Karnik, a former official with the Indian Space Research Organization.

"By the time the mission gets there, Mars will be comparatively the closest," Karnik told CNN's sister network CNN-IBN. "So there's a small window in which we need to make a launch and that's the reason the mission has to go up next year."
NASA's Mars rover set for test drive

NASA's 'Mohawk Guy' celebrates Curiosity Mars rover searching for signs of life
The goal of the mission is to search for clues to the "geology, origin, evolution and sustainability of life" on Mars, according to an ISRO report published earlier this year.

India's space program launched its first Earth satellite in 1975 and put an unmanned probe into orbit around the moon in 2008. It plans to launch its first manned spaceflight in 2016, though an Indian cosmonaut, Rakesh Sharma, flew aboard a Soviet space mission in 1984.

Mars 'Mohawk Guy' inspires Obama
The announcement comes as the U.S. space agency NASA is basking in the successful landing of its Curiosity rover August 6.

If the 2013 mission is successful, India would become the first Asian country to reach Mars: A 1998 attempt by Japan failed to insert itself into martian orbit, while a Chinese probe was lost along with the Russian Phobos-Grunt mission in January. But Karnik said India shouldn't be concerned with stunts.

"My only concern, if anything, is not the risk of failure," he said. "It's the risk that the program should not get diverted to these high-visibility, somewhat prestige-related events."
Pretty quiet the last few days. Gordy going bye bye......Waiting for Helene and Issac to come off Africa..or perhaps some home grown trouble in the Gulf?? Seems to be the time for things to be picking up. MOJO Rising and the waves a bit south What will that portend?
This drought is getting pretty ridiculous now.

Salt creeping up the Mississippi River

Link

The drought has lowered the river, letting Gulf of Mexico water enter.

"The water's perfectly safe to drink, says emergency preparedness official, however, caution urged for dialysis patients and low-sodium dieters.

The salty water has traveled nearly 90 miles into the river.
Quoting Tribucanes (1093)

Hey! How about us baby-boomers from the 50's. I remember all too vividly, the air raid sirens going off at 10:00am every Friday, and we were told to duck under our desks for protection.

Now you know why there is an entire generation of psychologically screwed-up folks, know as the baby-boomers.
TD 8:





New advisory set to come out before the top of the hr.

We have Gordon!!

5:00 AM AST Thu Aug 16

Location: 32.2N 54.8W
Moving: NNE at 14 mph
Min pressure: 1011 mb
Max sustained: 40 mph

NHC has Gordon going hurricane status on the 3 day track.


WATCHES AND WARNINGS
--------------------
THERE ARE NO COASTAL WATCHES OR WARNINGS IN EFFECT.

INTERESTS IN THE AZORES SHOULD MONITOR THE PROGRESS OF GORDON.


DISCUSSION AND 48-HOUR OUTLOOK
------------------------------
AT 500 AM AST...0900 UTC...THE CENTER OF TROPICAL STORM GORDON WAS
LOCATED NEAR LATITUDE 32.2 NORTH...LONGITUDE 54.8 WEST. GORDON IS
MOVING TOWARD THE NORTH-NORTHEAST NEAR 14 MPH...22 KM/H. A GRADUAL
TURN TOWARD THE NORTHEAST AND THEN EAST IS FORECAST. THIS TRACK
WILL KEEP THE CYCLONE MOVING OVER THE OPEN WATERS OF THE NORTH
ATLANTIC FOR THE NEXT TWO DAYS.

SATELLITE IMAGES SUGGEST THAT THE MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS HAVE
INCREASED TO NEAR 40 MPH...65 KM/H...WITH HIGHER GUSTS. SOME
STRENGTHENING IS FORECAST DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS...AND GORDON
COULD BECOME A HURRICANE OVER THE WEEKEND.

GORDON IS A SMALL CYCLONE. TROPICAL-STORM-FORCE WINDS EXTEND
OUTWARD UP TO ONLY 25 MILES...35 KM...MAINLY TO THE EAST OF THE
CENTER.

ESTIMATED MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE IS 1011 MB...29.85 INCHES.


HAZARDS AFFECTING LAND
----------------------
NONE.


NEXT ADVISORY
-------------
NEXT COMPLETE ADVISORY...1100 AM AST.

$$
FORECASTER BLAKE
Quoting Slamguitar:
We have Gordon!!

5:00 AM AST Thu Aug 16

Location: 32.2N 54.8W
Moving: NNE at 14 mph
Min pressure: 1011 mb
Max sustained: 40 mph

Good morning, indeed we do have Gordon, that puts us at 7-2-0.
Quoting GTcooliebai:
Good morning, indeed we do have Gordon, that puts us at 7-2-0.
yeah real soon its gonna be 7-3-0
poor azores!!part 2 of gordon for them. there never gonna forget that name
in other news the wave off africa that did some damage in africa is finally in the water. let's see what this thing does now that it is in the water.
1123. LargoFl
Quoting bigwes6844:
in other news the wave off africa that did some damage in africa is finally in the water. let's see what this thing does now that it is in the water.
..GOOD MORNING WES...yeah lets see what it does, could fall apart like some of the other waves,we'll see
Poor Azores. Cat 1 when it hit in 06 and now it seems its gonna do the same thing this year. Now whats the odds of the same name storm happening to hit the same place six years later. one word WOW!
2006
2012
1125. LargoFl
Quoting bigwes6844:
Poor Azores. Cat 1 when it hit in 06 and now it seems its gonna do the same thing this year. Now whats the odds of the same name storm happening to hit the same place six years later. one word WOW!2006
2012
..simply amazing
Quoting LargoFl:
..GOOD MORNING WES...yeah lets see what it does, could fall apart like some of the other waves,we'll see
morning largo! hey thanks again on the help on the copy and paste because i feel way better now. But one question how do you copy and paste when the picture is in motion?
1127. LargoFl
............................Looks like a normal rest of the week here around Tampa Bay...no big storms around us so far
1128. LargoFl
Quoting bigwes6844:
morning largo! hey thanks again on the help on the copy and paste because i feel way better now. But one question how do you copy and paste when the picture is in motion?
..That I havent learned yet, once in awhile it works, most often it doesnt..depends on the site..some of the guys gave me these sites to check out...here..........gearth.com/blog/.....and...Tro picalatlantic.com/satellite/#overlays....see if any of these help ok...good luck
Quoting LargoFl:
............................Looks like a normal rest of the week here around Tampa Bay...no big storms around us so far
yeah but check out towards the end of the 7 day. 50% HMMM? something in the making?
Quoting LargoFl:
..That I havent learned yet, once in awhile it works, most often it doesnt..depends on the site..some of the guys gave me these sites to check out...here..........gearth.com/blog/.....and...Tro picalatlantic.com/satellite/#overlays....see if any of these help ok...good luck
cool thanks!
Good morning..Stupid question how do you upload again..
I guess this is what is left of ex-td7

Quoting bayoubug:
Good morning..Stupid question how do you upload again..

Right click the image you want to upload and click on copy image URL or copy image location, depending on your browser. Then above the comment box, click image and copy or CTR v and click ok.
Good morning, all. I see we have Gordon now. Another hot day, already 80 degrees here, but with a good possibility of rain later today.
1136. VR46L
Quoting bigwes6844:
in other news the wave off africa that did some damage in africa is finally in the water. let's see what this thing does now that it is in the water.


I wish I knew how to post this in flash ,it looks very cool in flash.
Looks to be in real kind conditions for initial development

Quoting bigwes6844:
yeah but check out towards the end of the 7 day. 50% HMMM? something in the making?

HMMMMMMMMMMMMM
ever though that that is normal for Tampa Bay, and they always have pop up summer storms?
Good article, but the first line is wrong. we are not experiencing a drought in LA. The drought is in the midwest. Rainfall here has very little to do with river levels. That being said, this is presenting a problem downriver from New Orleans.



Quoting GTcooliebai:
This drought is getting pretty ridiculous now.

Salt creeping up the Mississippi River

Link

The drought has lowered the river, letting Gulf of Mexico water enter.

"The water's perfectly safe to drink, says emergency preparedness official, however, caution urged for dialysis patients and low-sodium dieters.

The salty water has traveled nearly 90 miles into the river.
1142. VR46L
Quoting bigwes6844:
Poor Azores. Cat 1 when it hit in 06 and now it seems its gonna do the same thing this year. Now whats the odds of the same name storm happening to hit the same place six years later. one word WOW!
2006
2012


I cant remember that one ,get so many extropical storms but I dont like that track. It took sitting outside my doorstep for a week and a double hit .oh well thats Island living for ya!!!
morning
most of the 00Z global models are showing two back to back cyclones posing a serious threat to the lesser antilles in 10 days time. one of the waves is just coming off the african coast,the other is still over the african continent.
Good morning. Gordon needs some convection on his south side:

Quoting MAweatherboy1:
Good morning. Gordon needs some convection on his south side:


He's a small storm. It has convection where it needs it. over it's centre.
AccuWeather.com @breakingweather
MT @ginger_zee: More than 11,000 lightning strikes moving toward Milwaukee, Chicago and Peoria.
Good morning. When GFS and EURO are latching on something similar,we have to pay very close attention.This is the case with the wave emerging now Africa that both develop.
yes and it looks rather ominus, anxious times for the residents of the lesser antilles and northern caribbean.
Quoting stoormfury:
yes and it looks rather ominus and anxious times for the residents of the lesser antilles and northern caribbean.


At this time, GFS and EURO have it well north of the Lesser Antilles.
1151. TXCWC
Intersting runs last night with some of the models. FIM - not FIM 7 :)- now spinning a BOC low/storm and brings it into Northern Mexico. CMC spins up a storm and brings it into S.TX. EURO continues with yesterday 12Z run by dev a low off the TX/MEX border area. GFS remains south of the abv 3 model guidances.

FIM 144hr...Link

By the way, the FIM7 - also at 144hr - VERY SIMILAR TO FIM - only shows low/storm at TX/MEX border area like EURO and CMC

CMC


EURO
1152. LargoFl
Quoting AussieStorm:
AccuWeather.com @breakingweather
MT @ginger_zee: More than 11,000 lightning strikes moving toward Milwaukee, Chicago and Peoria.
..gee simply amazing the lightning storms are this year, the other day we here got 3000 strikes in 20 minutes..cant imagine 11,000 gee
1153. LargoFl
Quoting bigwes6844:
yeah but check out towards the end of the 7 day. 50% HMMM? something in the making?
..some of the guys say models sat something might form in the BOC..nothing there yet..we'll see, I think my 50% next week might be that front moving down
1154. TXCWC
So too sum up last nights runs...CMC, EURO, FIM, and FIM7 all show a low/storm off the TX/MEX or N.MEX area while GFS shows it a bit further south. In other words appears - right now anyway - a growing consensus among various models of some type of system trying to dev. in extreme Western Gulf (TX/MEX) by next week
neighbors.palm.tree.got.hit.last.night...burned.the .core.of.the.tree...it.was.red.hot.e.cen.fl
1156. LargoFl
helping.n.florida.friends.this.wk.at.the.floodjam.. ..bad.word.up.there.is....debbie
1158. TXCWC
Quoting LargoFl:
..some of the guys say models sat something might form in the BOC..nothing there yet..we'll see, I think my 50% next week might be that front moving down


Looking at EURO that front seems to be what it wants to dev. the LOW from off TX/MEX...CMC as well... I think.


A cat 2 Hurricane 110 mph slamming the Azores
1160. VR46L
Gordon
In rainbow



Visable

Quoting TXCWC:
So too sum up last nights runs...CMC, EURO, FIM, and FIM7 all show a low/storm off the TX/MEX or N.MEX area while GFS shows it a bit further south. In other words appears - right now anyway - a growing consensus among various models of some type of system trying to dev. in extreme Western Gulf (TX/MEX) by next week


Morning TX, all. Thanks for the recap. I only made it through the GFS last night.
1162. LargoFl
Quoting TXCWC:


Looking at EURO that front seems to be what it wants to dev. the LOW from off TX/MEX...CMC as well... I think.
...everyone along the whole gulf coast will have to watch for that, especially from texas north, this time of year they dont usually head over to florida from that area, we here need to watch those waves coming off africa huh
Gordon is strengthening according to ADT.
CI# /Pressure/ Vmax
2.6 /1004.5mb/ 37.0kt


Final T# Adj T# Raw T#
2.6 2.9 2.9

Gordon likely to be 40 kts at next advisory.
1164. LargoFl
Quoting trHUrrIXC5MMX:


A cat 2 Hurricane 110 mph slamming the Azores
..oh those poor people, 6 years later getting hit with the same named storm, maybe they will retire the gordon name?
1165. LargoFl
Quoting islander101010:
helping.n.florida.friends.this.wk.at.the.floodjam .. ..bad.word.up.there.is....debbie
..good for you..yes debbie surely is a bad word in florida, never saw so much flooding rains from a simple tropical storm..goes to show..any tropical system no matter how weak..can do alot of damage huh, do not have to be a massive hurricane.
Quoting TXCWC:


Looking at EURO that front seems to be what it wants to dev. the LOW from off TX/MEX...CMC as well... I think.


They were concerning runs for sure. I wonder if this is another case of the CMC and EURO catching up to the GFS. I need to wake up. Lol.

1167. LargoFl
Quoting LargoFl:
..good for you..yes debbie surely is a bad word in florida, never saw so much flooding rains from a simple tropical storm..goes to show..any tropical system no matter how weak..can do alot of damage huh, does not have to be a massive hurricane.
1168. TXCWC
HPC updated official discussion (in part) LOOKS LIKE THEY ARE STICKING WITH A SOUTH TEXAS LOW/STORM for now - note the bold as well: "...IN ADDITION TO THE CONFLICT WITH CONSENSUS... GFS BIASES ARE TOWARD EXCESSIVELY FAST PROGRESSION OF TROFS INTO RIDGES... FURTHER SUGGESTING THAT THE 00Z GFS IS THE LEAST PROBABLE SOLN THIS CYCLE...MODELS SHOW AN ILL-DEFINED AREA OF LOW PRESSURE NEAR THE WRN GULF COAST S OF TX... WITH A NUMBER OF ENSEMBLES ALSO INDICATING POTENTIAL FOR AT LEAST A WEAK SFC CIRCULATION. THE GFS HAS TRENDED AWAY FROM THE STRONGER DEVELOPMENT SEEN IN THE 00Z GFS RUN FROM 24 HRS AGO. THE EARLY PRELIM FCST REFLECTS YESTERDAYS NHC/HPC COORDINATED TRACK FOR A WEAK SFC LOW DRIFTING NWD TOWARD EXTREME SRN TX BY THE END OF THE PERIOD."
2012 Tropical Cyclone Activity
Accumulated Cyclone Energy
Updated Aug 16, 2012 11:00

BASIN CURRENT YTD

Western Pacific
88.845
North Atlantic
19.375
Eastern Pacific
58.87
1170. LargoFl
xcessive Heat Expected Thursday and Friday for Western Washington and Oregon

High temperatures on Thursday and Friday will range from the upper 80s to middle 90s for the coastal areas and middle 90s to the lower 100s for the interior lowlands. The hot conditions will impact the Seattle and Portland metro areas. Hot daytime temperatures and warm nights with combine to produce potentially dangerous conditions, including heat related illnesses. .................amazing how HOT this summer is..even way up there where those folks are not in any way used to those high temps, its cooler normally up there isnt it?
1171. LargoFl
Quoting TXCWC:
NHC updated official discussion (in part) LOOKS LIKE THEY ARE STICKING WITH A SOUTH TEXAS LOW/STORM for now - note the bold as well: "...IN ADDITION TO THE CONFLICT WITH CONSENSUS... GFS BIASES ARE TOWARD EXCESSIVELY FAST PROGRESSION OF TROFS INTO RIDGES... FURTHER SUGGESTING THAT THE 00Z GFS IS THE LEAST PROBABLE SOLN THIS CYCLE...MODELS SHOW AN ILL-DEFINED AREA OF LOW PRESSURE NEAR THE WRN GULF COAST S OF TX... WITH A NUMBER OF ENSEMBLES ALSO INDICATING POTENTIAL FOR AT LEAST A WEAK SFC CIRCULATION. THE GFS HAS TRENDED AWAY FROM THE STRONGER DEVELOPMENT SEEN IN THE 00Z GFS RUN FROM 24 HRS AGO. THE EARLY PRELIM FCST REFLECTS YDAYS NHC/HPC
COORDINATED TRACK FOR A WEAK SFC LOW DRIFTING NWD TOWARD EXTREME SRN TX
BY THE END OF THE PERIOD."
..well if it stays weak like they think it will..that could be a good thing for texas..giving them some good rain
outbreak.of.west.nile..might.not.want.rain.till.win ter
1173. LargoFl
Quoting islander101010:
outbreak.of.west.nile..might.not.want.rain.till.w in ter
yes last night on the news they were warning everyone about it
1174. LargoFl
1175. TXCWC
Quoting AtHomeInTX:


They were concerning runs for sure. I wonder if this is another case of the CMC and EURO catching up to the GFS. I need to wake up. Lol.



I think so - according to the latest from HPC they are saying 0Z GFS is LEAST reliable run at the moment - see prior post below :) If they are deeming it worthy to keep an eye on next week - we should to. :)
1177. LargoFl
.........................quiet around my area..we could use a shower or two,been missing us this whole week. forms over me then moves east lol..
TropicalDepressionEight has become TS.Gordon
Derived from (NHC) ATCF data for TropicalStormGordon for 16August06amGMT
MinimumPressure decreased from 1012millibars to 1011millibars
MaxSusWinds increased from 30knots(35mph)56km/h to 35knots(40mph)65km/h
Vector changed from 347.0*North@17.7mph(28.5km/h) to 4.9*North@11.5mph(18.5km/h)
(ie TS.Gordon has recurved)
BDA-Bermuda :: CVU-Corvo :: HOR-Faial

The northwesternmost dot on the kinked line is where 93L became TD.8
The northernmost dot on the connected lines is where TD.8 became TropicalStormGordon, and its most recent position

Copy&paste bda, cvu, hor, 22.0n41.2w- 22.5n43.3w- 23.0n45.2w- 23.5n47.0w- 24.0n48.8w- 24.5n50.5w- 25.0n51.9w- 25.4n53.0w- 26.1n54.0w- 27.6n54.5w- 29.1n55.0w, 29.1n55.0w-30.6n55.4w, 30.6n55.4w-31.6n55.3w into the GreatCircleMapper for a larger-scale map and other information
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvbid/westnile/Mapsactivi ty/surv&control12MapsAnybyState.htm......west.nile .clustered.cen.texas
Quoting LargoFl:
..oh those poor people, 6 years later getting hit with the same named storm, maybe they will retire the gordon name?


poor Azores people...the story may repeat

GORDON 2006
Quoting LargoFl:
..well if it stays weak like they think it will..that could be a good thing for texas..giving them some good rain
Dear Friends,all we need is some clouds.It is broiling with no clouds around.100 degrees+ everyday.South Texas that is..
1182. LargoFl
.....................for the folks coming to Tampa for the convention, so far the weather is about normal for this time of year, the chance for showers each day, no real storms to worry about so far


A TROPICAL WAVE...THE REMNANTS OF TROPICAL DEPRESSION SEVEN...IS
PRODUCING DISORGANIZED SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS OVER THE WESTERN
CARIBBEAN SEA...THE YUCATAN PENINSULA...AND PORTIONS OF CENTRAL
AMERICA. ALTHOUGH THERE IS ONLY A SLIGHT CHANCE OF REGENERATION WHEN
THE WAVE EMERGES OVER THE BAY OF CAMPECHE
...LOCALLY HEAVY RAIN IS
POSSIBLE ACROSS PORTIONS OF CENTRAL AMERICA AND SOUTHERN MEXICO
THROUGH LATE TODAY. THIS SYSTEM HAS A LOW CHANCE...10 PERCENT...OF
BECOMING A TROPICAL CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS AS IT MOVES
WEST-NORTHWESTWARD AT 15 TO 20 MPH.
Quoting TXCWC:


I think so - according to the latest from HPC they are saying 0Z GFS is LEAST reliable run at the moment - see prior post below :) If they are deeming it worthy to keep an eye on next week - we should to. :)


Absolutely agree. I'm just catching up on some of the posts.
Woke up in a fog this morning, figuratively and literally! With coffee and breakfast, brain fog is lifting, however the fog outside seems to have set in for a spell.
The weather around here has been amazing lately. I said in my post yesterday before i went storm chasing is that the atmosphere across E C FL was about to explode come 6pm to 8pm and well it did as storms formed rapidly due to an unstable airmass which these same perameters will remain in place thru all of NEXT week with a possible trough split situation forming over FL. Could be a tropical system near FL?

Lightning strike over a lake in Clermont


Storm rolling into Port Orange


Severe thunderstorm in Volusia County


Lightning strike in Edgewater


Ormond Beach
1187. LargoFl
Quoting StormTracker2K:
The weather around here has been amazing lately. I said in my post yesterday before i went storm chasing is that the atmosphere across E C FL was about to explode come 6pm to 8pm and well it did as storms formed rapidly due to an unstable airmass which these same perameters will remain in place thru all of NEXT week with a possible trough split situation forming over FL. Could be a tropical system near FL?

Lightning strike over a lake in Clermont


Storm rolling into Port Orange


Severe thunderstorm in Volusia County


Lightning strike in Edgewater


Ormond Beach
..you guys need to stop stealing our rain lol..stay safe over there ST
AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MELBOURNE FL
345 AM EDT THU AUG 16 2012


TUES-THURS...THE GFS AND ECMWF BOTH SHOW A COMPLEX UPPER LEVEL SPLIT
FLOW PATTERN EVOLVING ACROSS THE EASTERN HALF OF THE US FOR MID NEXT
WEEK
...THOUGH BOTH SHOW SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT EVOLUTIONS. GIVEN THE
SHIFT WITH THIS MODEL RUN FROM PREVIOUS SOLUTIONS WILL CONTINUE THE
PREVIOUS FORECAST WITH NEAR CLIMO POPS AROUND 40 PERCENT AND HIGH
TEMPERATURES AROUND 90F AT THE COAST AND 91-93F INLAND.

1189. LargoFl
gee must still be storming up in the northeast huh.........................BULLETIN - EAS ACTIVATION REQUESTED
FLASH FLOOD WARNING
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE GRAY ME
556 AM EDT THU AUG 16 2012

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN GRAY MAINE HAS ISSUED A

* FLASH FLOOD WARNING FOR...
ANDROSCOGGIN COUNTY IN SOUTHWEST MAINE...
WESTERN KENNEBEC COUNTY IN SOUTH CENTRAL MAINE...
SOUTHERN SOMERSET COUNTY IN WEST CENTRAL MAINE...
SOUTHEASTERN OXFORD COUNTY IN WESTERN MAINE...
WESTERN CUMBERLAND COUNTY IN MAINE...
SOUTHEASTERN FRANKLIN COUNTY IN WESTERN MAINE...

* UNTIL 900 AM EDT

* AT 552 AM EDT...NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DOPPLER RADAR INDICATED
FLASH FLOODING FROM NUMEROUS THUNDERSTORMS OVER THE WARNED AREA.

* LOCATIONS IN THE WARNING INCLUDE BUT ARE NOT LIMITED TO WINTHROP...
WILTON...WELD...TURNER...SOUTH PARIS...RUMFORD...PHILLIPS...
NORRIDGEWOCK...MEXICO...LIVERMORE FALLS...JAY...FARMINGTON...
DIXFIELD...CANTON AND BRYANT POND

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

ADDITIONAL RAINFALL AMOUNTS OF 1 EDIT AMOUNT 3 ARE POSSIBLE IN
THE WARNED AREA.

DO NOT DRIVE YOUR VEHICLE INTO AREAS WHERE THE WATER COVERS THE
ROADWAY. THE WATER DEPTH MAY BE TOO GREAT TO ALLOW YOUR CAR TO CROSS
SAFELY. MOVE TO HIGHER GROUND.

PLEASE REPORT HIGH WATER TO THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE BY CALLING
TOLL FREE...1-877-633-6772...WHEN YOU CAN DO SO SAFELY.



LAT...LON 4362 7042 4363 7046 4371 7055 4369 7058
4370 7066 4379 7066 4380 7070 4379 7074
4381 7078 4381 7089 4378 7096 4379 7099
4391 7100 4495 7033 4471 6965



HANES

THIS HAZARDOUS WEATHER OUTLOOK IS FOR EAST CENTRAL FLORIDA.

.DAY ONE...TODAY AND TONIGHT.

.THUNDERSTORM IMPACT...
AMPLE MOISTURE AND INSTABILITY COUPLED WITH WEAK LOW LEVEL WIND
FIELDS WILL ALLOW A FEW LIGHTNING STORMS TO FORM ALONG BOTH THE
EAST AND WEST COAST SEA BREEZES BY EARLY THIS AFTERNOON. STORMS
ALONG THE WEST COAST BOUNDARY WILL MOVE TOWARD THE EAST NEAR 10
MPH...REACHING WELL INLAND DURING THE EARLY TO MID AFTERNOON
HOURS. STORM COVERAGE WILL INCREASE OVER THE EAST COAST COUNTIES
INTO THE LATE AFTERNOON AND EARLY EVENING AS THE EAST COAST SEA
BREEZE INTERACTS WITH STORMS AND OUTFLOWS FROM THE WEST COAST
BOUNDARY. THE MAIN HAZARDS WITH STRONGER STORMS WILL BE FREQUENT
CLOUD TO GROUND LIGHTNING STRIKES AND WIND GUSTS UP TO 50 MPH.
1191. LargoFl
.......................gee some Bad storms up there alright
1192. LargoFl
1193. LargoFl
wow get ready Chicago, bad line of storms coming towards you.....
1194. WxLogic
Good Morning... Gordon doing good so far.
1196. LargoFl
Lots of rain on tap from TX to FL. Can anybody say El-Nino? Pattern lools to be setting up already and if that's the case then people from TX to FL will be in for a very wet 6 to 8 months.

Morning everybody....

I see we have Gordon.

I also note that the Twave we were looking at yesterday is finally off the coast.

This one looks a bit lower, which unfortunately IMO puts it in better strike position...



Quoting TXCWC:
HPC updated official discussion (in part) LOOKS LIKE THEY ARE STICKING WITH A SOUTH TEXAS LOW/STORM for now - note the bold as well: "...IN ADDITION TO THE CONFLICT WITH CONSENSUS... GFS BIASES ARE TOWARD EXCESSIVELY FAST PROGRESSION OF TROFS INTO RIDGES... FURTHER SUGGESTING THAT THE 00Z GFS IS THE LEAST PROBABLE SOLN THIS CYCLE...MODELS SHOW AN ILL-DEFINED AREA OF LOW PRESSURE NEAR THE WRN GULF COAST S OF TX... WITH A NUMBER OF ENSEMBLES ALSO INDICATING POTENTIAL FOR AT LEAST A WEAK SFC CIRCULATION. THE GFS HAS TRENDED AWAY FROM THE STRONGER DEVELOPMENT SEEN IN THE 00Z GFS RUN FROM 24 HRS AGO. THE EARLY PRELIM FCST REFLECTS YESTERDAYS NHC/HPC COORDINATED TRACK FOR A WEAK SFC LOW DRIFTING NWD TOWARD EXTREME SRN TX BY THE END OF THE PERIOD."

Thanks for the info.
Is this from TD7 remnant currently over the Yucatan peninsula?
1200. LargoFl
......................looks like Texas is getting much needed rains this morning
Due to Lack of Moisture Not much rain expected around here, Temps should be Near 100 instead of over 100. Unless something tropical develops and increases our moisture level. Have a great day!

THERE IS LOW CONFIDENCE IN THE FORECAST FOR THE WEEKEND INTO EARLY
NEXT WEEK IN REGARDS TO RAINFALL ACROSS SOUTH CENTRAL TEXAS. ATTM
THERE IS POOR CONSENSUS AMONG THE MODEL SOLUTIONS IN THE SOUTHWARD
EXTENT OF A WEAK FRONTAL BOUNDARY ALONG WITH THE AMOUNT OF TROPICAL
MOISTURE EXPECTED WITH THE TROPICAL WAVE MOVING ACROSS THE YUCATAN
PENINSULA INTO THE BAY OF CAMPECHE. THUS WILL GO WITH A BLEND OF
MODELS AND CURRENT FCST.
1202. Walshy
1203. LargoFl
Quoting AussieStorm:
Record Heat to Record Lows?

..amazing for mid august huh
Its kind of hard to believe that Gordon formed from a tropical wave. Kind of a high latitude.
Plus 93L had 0 convection a day or so ago.
1205. LargoFl
BULLETIN - EAS ACTIVATION REQUESTED
SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE QUAD CITIES IA IL
653 AM CDT THU AUG 16 2012

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN THE QUAD CITIES HAS ISSUED A

* SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING FOR...
EASTERN BUREAU COUNTY IN NORTH CENTRAL ILLINOIS...
NORTHEASTERN PUTNAM COUNTY IN NORTH CENTRAL ILLINOIS...

* UNTIL 800 AM CDT.

* AT 652 AM CDT...NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DOPPLER RADAR INDICATED A
SEVERE THUNDERSTORM CAPABLE OF PRODUCING DAMAGING WINDS AROUND 60
MPH...AND QUARTER SIZE HAIL. THIS STORM WAS LOCATED APPROXIMATELY
NEAR PRINCETON...AND MOVING EAST AT 40 MPH.

* OTHER LOCATIONS IN THE WARNING INCLUDE BUT ARE NOT LIMITED TO
DEPUE...LADD...GRANVILLE...SPRING VALLEY AND DALZELL.

THIS INCLUDES INTERSTATE 80 IN ILLINOIS BETWEEN MILE MARKERS 50 AND
72.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

THIS IS A DANGEROUS STORM. MOVE IMMEDIATELY INDOORS AND STAY AWAY
FROM WINDOWS.



LAT...LON 4123 8916 4136 8961 4153 8954 4146 8916
TIME...MOT...LOC 1153Z 287DEG 35KT 4142 8946
WIND...HAIL 60MPH 1.00IN



NICHOLS
Quoting Chicklit:

Thanks for the info.
Is this from TD7 remnant currently over the Yucatan peninsula?


Yes.
Morning!
Is Gordon heading to the Para Olympics?
The timing looks close.
I'm surprised to see the pressure of TS Gordon....

TROPICAL STORM GORDON ADVISORY NUMBER 3
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL082012
500 AM AST THU AUG 16 2012

...ANOTHER TROPICAL STORM FORMS IN THE ATLANTIC OCEAN...


SUMMARY OF 500 AM AST...0900 UTC...INFORMATION
----------------------------------------------
LOCATION...32.2N 54.8W
ABOUT 585 MI...940 KM E OF BERMUDA
ABOUT 1615 MI...2600 KM W OF THE AZORES
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...40 MPH...65 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...NNE OR 15 DEGREES AT 14 MPH...22 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...1011 MB...29.85 INCHES

1210. LargoFl
looks quiet around Orlando so far................
Latest on Gordon
Quoting AussieStorm:
I'm surprised to see the pressure of TS Gordon....

TROPICAL STORM GORDON ADVISORY NUMBER 3
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL082012
500 AM AST THU AUG 16 2012

...ANOTHER TROPICAL STORM FORMS IN THE ATLANTIC OCEAN...


SUMMARY OF 500 AM AST...0900 UTC...INFORMATION
----------------------------------------------
LOCATION...32.2N 54.8W
ABOUT 585 MI...940 KM E OF BERMUDA
ABOUT 1615 MI...2600 KM W OF THE AZORES
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...40 MPH...65 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...NNE OR 15 DEGREES AT 14 MPH...22 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...1011 MB...29.85 INCHES


It's in a Very high pressure environment so it can get away with a high pressure. The surrounding air is around 1024 mb
1213. LargoFl
00
WTNT23 KNHC 160834
TCMAT3

TROPICAL STORM GORDON FORECAST/ADVISORY NUMBER 3
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL082012
0900 UTC THU AUG 16 2012

THERE ARE NO COASTAL WATCHES OR WARNINGS IN EFFECT.

INTERESTS IN THE AZORES SHOULD MONITOR THE PROGRESS OF GORDON.

TROPICAL STORM CENTER LOCATED NEAR 32.2N 54.8W AT 16/0900Z
POSITION ACCURATE WITHIN 20 NM

PRESENT MOVEMENT TOWARD THE NORTH-NORTHEAST OR 15 DEGREES AT 12 KT

ESTIMATED MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE 1011 MB
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS 35 KT WITH GUSTS TO 45 KT.
34 KT....... 20NE 20SE 0SW 0NW.
12 FT SEAS.. 20NE 20SE 0SW 0NW.
WINDS AND SEAS VARY GREATLY IN EACH QUADRANT. RADII IN NAUTICAL
MILES ARE THE LARGEST RADII EXPECTED ANYWHERE IN THAT QUADRANT.

REPEAT...CENTER LOCATED NEAR 32.2N 54.8W AT 16/0900Z
AT 16/0600Z CENTER WAS LOCATED NEAR 31.6N 55.3W

FORECAST VALID 16/1800Z 33.5N 53.4W
MAX WIND 45 KT...GUSTS 55 KT.
34 KT... 30NE 30SE 0SW 0NW.

FORECAST VALID 17/0600Z 34.6N 50.2W
MAX WIND 50 KT...GUSTS 60 KT.
50 KT... 0NE 20SE 0SW 0NW.
34 KT... 40NE 60SE 30SW 30NW.

FORECAST VALID 17/1800Z 34.5N 46.3W
MAX WIND 55 KT...GUSTS 65 KT.
50 KT... 20NE 30SE 20SW 0NW.
34 KT... 60NE 90SE 90SW 60NW.

FORECAST VALID 18/0600Z 34.4N 42.5W
MAX WIND 65 KT...GUSTS 80 KT.
50 KT... 30NE 50SE 50SW 30NW.
34 KT... 80NE 100SE 100SW 80NW.

FORECAST VALID 19/0600Z 35.0N 34.5W
MAX WIND 65 KT...GUSTS 80 KT.
50 KT... 40NE 60SE 60SW 40NW.
34 KT... 90NE 120SE 120SW 90NW.

EXTENDED OUTLOOK. NOTE...ERRORS FOR TRACK HAVE AVERAGED NEAR 175 NM
ON DAY 4 AND 225 NM ON DAY 5...AND FOR INTENSITY NEAR 20 KT EACH DAY

OUTLOOK VALID 20/0600Z 36.8N 27.0W...POST-TROP/EXTRATROP
MAX WIND 55 KT...GUSTS 65 KT.

OUTLOOK VALID 21/0600Z 39.5N 20.5W...POST-TROP/EXTRATROP
MAX WIND 45 KT...GUSTS 55 KT.

REQUEST FOR 3 HOURLY SHIP REPORTS WITHIN 300 MILES OF 32.2N 54.8W

NEXT ADVISORY AT 16/1500Z

$$
FORECASTER BLAKE
1214. VR46L
The Remnants of X TD7 are making their way into the Gulf wonder will it develop.


Quoting weatherh98:

It's in a Very high pressure environment so it can get away with a high pressure. The surrounding air is around 1024 mb

Yeah i no, Just used to seeing TS's with pressure around 1000mb - 1005mb.
Quoting AussieStorm:
I'm surprised to see the pressure of TS Gordon....

TROPICAL STORM GORDON ADVISORY NUMBER 3
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL082012
500 AM AST THU AUG 16 2012

...ANOTHER TROPICAL STORM FORMS IN THE ATLANTIC OCEAN...


SUMMARY OF 500 AM AST...0900 UTC...INFORMATION
----------------------------------------------
LOCATION...32.2N 54.8W
ABOUT 585 MI...940 KM E OF BERMUDA
ABOUT 1615 MI...2600 KM W OF THE AZORES
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...40 MPH...65 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...NNE OR 15 DEGREES AT 14 MPH...22 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...1011 MB...29.85 INCHES



A 1022 high is right next to it...
Quoting AussieStorm:
I'm surprised to see the pressure of TS Gordon....

TROPICAL STORM GORDON ADVISORY NUMBER 3
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL082012
500 AM AST THU AUG 16 2012

...ANOTHER TROPICAL STORM FORMS IN THE ATLANTIC OCEAN...


SUMMARY OF 500 AM AST...0900 UTC...INFORMATION
----------------------------------------------
LOCATION...32.2N 54.8W
ABOUT 585 MI...940 KM E OF BERMUDA
ABOUT 1615 MI...2600 KM W OF THE AZORES
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...40 MPH...65 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...NNE OR 15 DEGREES AT 14 MPH...22 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...1011 MB...29.85 INCHES


Gordon should have a pressure of around 995 millibars If it becomes a hurricane. That's what happens when a storm is in a high pressure environment.
Quoting VR46L:
The Remnants of X TD7 are making their way into the Gulf wonder will it develop.






A TROPICAL WAVE...THE REMNANTS OF TROPICAL DEPRESSION SEVEN...IS
PRODUCING DISORGANIZED SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS OVER THE WESTERN
CARIBBEAN SEA...THE YUCATAN PENINSULA...AND PORTIONS OF CENTRAL
AMERICA. ALTHOUGH THERE IS ONLY A SLIGHT CHANCE OF REGENERATION WHEN
THE WAVE EMERGES OVER THE BAY OF CAMPECHE
...LOCALLY HEAVY RAIN IS
POSSIBLE ACROSS PORTIONS OF CENTRAL AMERICA AND SOUTHERN MEXICO
THROUGH LATE TODAY. THIS SYSTEM HAS A LOW CHANCE...10 PERCENT...OF
BECOMING A TROPICAL CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS AS IT MOVES
WEST-NORTHWESTWARD AT 15 TO 20 MPH.
1219. LargoFl
Quoting VR46L:


I cant remember that one ,get so many extropical storms but I dont like that track. It took sitting outside my doorstep for a week and a double hit .oh well thats Island living for ya!!!
You live in the Azores, VR4?

1221. LargoFl
Brownsville

LONG TERM /FRIDAY NIGHT THROUGH WEDNESDAY/...WEATHER SCENARIO FOR
THE LONG TERM PORTION OF THE FORECAST BECOMING A LITTLE MORE CLEAR
NOW. GFS...EUROPEAN...AND CANADIAN MODEL GUIDANCE ALL SUGGEST THAT
A TROPICAL DISTURBANCE WILL DEVELOP ALONG THE EAST COAST OF MEXICO
EARLY TO MIDDLE OF NEXT WEEK...AND POSSIBLY AFFECT THE LOWER TEXAS
COAST.
WITH DEEP TROPICAL MOISTURE INCREASING WITHIN DEEP SOUTH
TEXAS AND THE RIO GRANDE VALLEY IN ADVANCE AND IN ASSOCIATION WITH
THE POTENTIAL DISTURBANCE...AND MID-LEVEL HIGH PRESSURE REMAINING
CENTERED OVER THE DESERT SOUTHWEST...ISOLATED TO SCATTERED SHOWERS
AND THUNDERSTORMS ARE ANTICIPATED FOR MUCH OF THE PERIOD WITHIN
THE BRO CWFA. TEMPERATURES WILL BE KNOCKED DOWN TO MORE NEAR
NORMAL LEVELS DUE TO THE INCREASED CLOUD COVER AND OPPORTUNITIES
FOR PRECIPITATION.

FRIDAY NIGHT THROUGH WEDNESDAY...A GRADUAL INCREASE IN WINDS AND
SEAS IS EXPECTED ALONG THE LOWER TEXAS COAST THROUGH THE PERIOD AS
A WEAK TROPICAL DISTURBANCE POSSIBLY DEVELOPS ALONG THE EAST COAST
OF MEXICO. SMALL CRAFT ADVISORY CONDITIONS ARE POSSIBLE MONDAY
THROUGH WEDNESDAY.
Quoting bohonkweatherman:
Due to Lack of Moisture Not much rain expected around here, Temps should be Near 100 instead of over 100. Unless something tropical develops and increases our moisture level. Have a great day!

THERE IS LOW CONFIDENCE IN THE FORECAST FOR THE WEEKEND INTO EARLY
NEXT WEEK IN REGARDS TO RAINFALL ACROSS SOUTH CENTRAL TEXAS. ATTM
THERE IS POOR CONSENSUS AMONG THE MODEL SOLUTIONS IN THE SOUTHWARD
EXTENT OF A WEAK FRONTAL BOUNDARY ALONG WITH THE AMOUNT OF TROPICAL
MOISTURE EXPECTED WITH THE TROPICAL WAVE MOVING ACROSS THE YUCATAN
PENINSULA INTO THE BAY OF CAMPECHE. THUS WILL GO WITH A BLEND OF
MODELS AND CURRENT FCST.
HOpe you guys do get some rain next week.... models seem to be suggesting at least some part of W TX may get something...
Quoting AussieStorm:
I'm surprised to see the pressure of TS Gordon....

TROPICAL STORM GORDON ADVISORY NUMBER 3
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL082012
500 AM AST THU AUG 16 2012

...ANOTHER TROPICAL STORM FORMS IN THE ATLANTIC OCEAN...


SUMMARY OF 500 AM AST...0900 UTC...INFORMATION
----------------------------------------------
LOCATION...32.2N 54.8W
ABOUT 585 MI...940 KM E OF BERMUDA
ABOUT 1615 MI...2600 KM W OF THE AZORES
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...40 MPH...65 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...NNE OR 15 DEGREES AT 14 MPH...22 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...1011 MB...29.85 INCHES

Seems location is everything. I think this is possible because Gordon is basically running up between the two high pressure areas. Not too far to its east and west high pressure is in control, so it makes the pressure differential that much greater...
My New video Blog For Thursday Link
Quoting AtHomeInTX:
Brownsville

LONG TERM /FRIDAY NIGHT THROUGH WEDNESDAY/...WEATHER SCENARIO FOR
THE LONG TERM PORTION OF THE FORECAST BECOMING A LITTLE MORE CLEAR
NOW. GFS...EUROPEAN...AND CANADIAN MODEL GUIDANCE ALL SUGGEST THAT
A TROPICAL DISTURBANCE WILL DEVELOP ALONG THE EAST COAST OF MEXICO
EARLY TO MIDDLE OF NEXT WEEK...AND POSSIBLY AFFECT THE LOWER TEXAS
COAST.
WITH DEEP TROPICAL MOISTURE INCREASING WITHIN DEEP SOUTH
TEXAS AND THE RIO GRANDE VALLEY IN ADVANCE AND IN ASSOCIATION WITH
THE POTENTIAL DISTURBANCE...AND MID-LEVEL HIGH PRESSURE REMAINING
CENTERED OVER THE DESERT SOUTHWEST...ISOLATED TO SCATTERED SHOWERS
AND THUNDERSTORMS ARE ANTICIPATED FOR MUCH OF THE PERIOD WITHIN
THE BRO CWFA. TEMPERATURES WILL BE KNOCKED DOWN TO MORE NEAR
NORMAL LEVELS DUE TO THE INCREASED CLOUD COVER AND OPPORTUNITIES
FOR PRECIPITATION.

FRIDAY NIGHT THROUGH WEDNESDAY...A GRADUAL INCREASE IN WINDS AND
SEAS IS EXPECTED ALONG THE LOWER TEXAS COAST THROUGH THE PERIOD AS
A WEAK TROPICAL DISTURBANCE POSSIBLY DEVELOPS ALONG THE EAST COAST
OF MEXICO. SMALL CRAFT ADVISORY CONDITIONS ARE POSSIBLE MONDAY
THROUGH WEDNESDAY.



Moisture doesn't seem to be a problem for the Gulf this year unlike years past due to La-Nina. Have a feeling something big is going to tear across the Gulf over the next couple of months as SST's are now in the low 90's across the C Gulf.

1227. VR46L
Quoting BahaHurican:
You live in the Azores, VR4?



Na Republic of Ireland
1228. TXCWC
I see 06Z GFS has come back North a bit with the tropical moisture into TX (still not showing as strong a system as had been a day or 2 ago though) - coming back more in line with last night's Euro, CMC, FIM, and HPC official thinking right now - got to love it when models begin to come into more agreement.

Quoting StormTracker2K:



Moisture doesn't seem to be a problem for the Gulf this year unlike years past due to La-Nina. Have a feeling something big is going to tear across the Gulf over the next couple of months as SST's are now in the low 90's across the C Gulf.


Is it possible that moisture could help slightly lower the SST's in the GOM. less intense heat from the sun.
Quoting VR46L:


Na Republic of Ireland
Ah... hence the extratropicals... lol

That is so cool...
Quoting AussieStorm:

Is it possible that moisture could help slightly lower the SST's in the GOM. less intense heat from the sun.


I wish as the heat across the Gulf and FL is unrelenting whether it's overcast or not. People really don't understand how bad it is unless they are here so to answer the question no. The only way to coold the gulf down is to get a strong cold front plowing thru are a tropical system plowing thru.

Quoting BahaHurican:
Morning everybody....

I see we have Gordon.

I also note that the Twave we were looking at yesterday is finally off the coast.

This one looks a bit lower, which unfortunately IMO puts it in better strike position...



A possible southern track storm brewing here.Don't think shear/dry air is going to break this one up!
BRB... gotta go get coffee going... after a couple of weeks off, this getting up before 9 a.m. is not as easy as it used to be... lol

BTW, we have sunny and hot already... lol... not surprisingly...

Quoting StormTracker2K:


I wish as the heat across the Gulf and FL is unrelenting whether it's overcast or not. People really don't understand how bad it is unless they are here so to answer the question no. The only way to coold the gulf down is to get a strong cold front plowing thru are a tropical system plowing thru.


I was wishing. I hope it's a cold front and not a tropical system. GOM = Rocket fuel
Quoting BahaHurican:
HOpe you guys do get some rain next week.... models seem to be suggesting at least some part of W TX may get something...


At the very least our temp forecasts look cooler. Night temps look like they will be going down a few degrees. (I think our low this am was 79)

It was unusually breezy yesterday, however it was humid breeze from the SE.
12z Best Track up to 40kts.

AL, 08, 2012081612, , BEST, 0, 329N, 544W, 40, 1008, TS
Interesting Discussion Link
1239. VR46L
Quoting BahaHurican:
Ah... hence the extratropicals... lol

That is so cool...


LOL....
Quoting SubtropicalHi:


At the very least our temp forecasts look cooler. Night temps look like they will be going down a few degrees. (I think our low this am was 79)

It was unusually breezy yesterday, however it was humid breeze from the SE.


Correction: Low this am was 76, suburbs in the lower 70's. Dewpoint 72
Quoting StormTracker2K:


I wish as the heat across the Gulf and FL is unrelenting whether it's overcast or not. People really don't understand how bad it is unless they are here so to answer the question no. The only way to cool the gulf down is to get a strong cold front plowing thru or a tropical system plowing thru.

You'd prolly feel a little cooler as it was passing through, but as soon as it was gone, it'd be temperatures as normal....

azores.hawaii.of.the.atlantic...theyll.be.fine
Quoting SubtropicalHi:


At the very least our temp forecasts look cooler. Night temps look like they will be going down a few degrees. (I think our low this am was 79)

It was unusually breezy yesterday, however it was humid breeze from the SE.
We were at 81... :o/
Microwave imagery shows a partial eyewall has formed:







Gordon will most likely be a hurricane later today.
Quoting islander101010:
azores.hawaii.of.the.atlantic...theyll.be.fine

If I bought you a ticket there, would you go?
How is the heat and drought affecting rivers?
At New Orleans, the Mississippi is only a about a ft below average level for August and a ft above its record low. (a picture in the gallery made it seem very bad)I'm surprised it is that good.

http://www2.mvr.usace.army.mil/WaterControl/Distr icts/MVN/car.gif
Quoting seer2012:
A possible southern track storm brewing here.Don't think shear/dry air is going to break this one up!

The pattern favors a recurvature.
Quoting Tropicsweatherpr:
12z Best Track up to 40kts.

AL, 08, 2012081612, , BEST, 0, 329N, 544W, 40, 1008, TS
Quoting SouthDadeFish:
Microwave imagery shows a partial eyewall has formed:







Gordon will most likely be a hurricane later today.


Hmm... 40 kt as expected.
Although Gordon becoming a hurricane is not out of the question, unless RI occurs, it's unlikely.


Tranquil... across the pond
Quoting seer2012:
A possible southern track storm brewing here.Don't think shear/dry air is going to break this one up!


And that just has you salivating at the death & destruction it will cause.

Really sick people.
Good morning I may get banned but I'm sick of this crap.That's it I'm tired of people targeting me only when I say I want to experience a major cane.Other people have admitted it on this site.So why not give them the hammer as well as me.Hence the I not anyone else.And I rather be on a uncharted island doing it.Yes i live in D.C.But I've been without power for weeks with extreme heat/cold outside,I've been with out running water before.You don't think I don't know what it feels like?.Isabel knocked out power to my area for 2 weeks.But i was still fascinated by the storm.I remember fighting people over bread and canned foods.Now wonder why people left this site.You all get off your high hoarse.I wouldn't put my family through a major or anyone else.Just myself.There.
Quoting islander101010:
azores.hawaii.of.the.atlantic...theyll.be.fine
Gordon 2006 didn't make a direct hit. It was worse in the extratropical phase over Spain, apparently. From Wikipedia:

Late on September 18, while Gordon was beginning to accelerate to the northeast, a tropical storm watch was issued for all of the Azores. The hurricane was expected to weaken to tropical storm-force before affecting the islands. When it became apparent that Gordon would continue intensifying, a hurricane warning replaced the watch about 27 hours before the strongest winds affected the region.[1] The advance of the storm forced the closure of all schools in the region. Concurrently, officials increased the number of emergency workers on stand-by. The two westernmost islands – Corvo and Flores – were placed under a red alert, the highest on a four-level scale, which indicated the greatest threat for severe weather. The remainder of the archipelago was placed on low alert.[13] Ultimately, the Azores escaped significant damage as the hurricane passed farther south than expected. Overall impact was limited to toppled trees and power lines, leaving portions of Santa Maria Island without electrical service.[14] Santa Maria recorded sustained winds of 56 mph (90 km/h), with gusts to 82 mph (132 km/h).[1]
Quoting Bobbyweather:


Hmm... 40 kt as expected.
Although Gordon becoming a hurricane is not out of the question, unless RI occurs, it's unlikely.

There's a good possibility it becomes a hurricane regardless if it RI's, it may become a category 2.
Quoting BahaHurican:
We were at 81... :o/


Having one of these mornings here... ;)




Fair

77°F
25°C
Humidity100%
Wind SpeedCalm
Barometer30.01 in
Dewpoint77°F (25°C)
Visibility10.00 mi
Heat Index78°F (26°C
Next Wednesday Thursday big rain for S FL why??
Not bad.
as someone has shown Gordon now has a eye wall.It's looking more and more likely that he will become a hurricane.I predict something to Chris.Hopefully not anything stronger.
Quoting Bobbyweather:


Hmm... 40 kt as expected.
Although Gordon becoming a hurricane is not out of the question, unless RI occurs, it's unlikely.


According to the NHC, that's what is going to happen.
Quoting washingtonian115:
Good morning I may get banned but I'm sick of this crap.That's it I'm tired of people targeting me only when I say I want to experience a major cane.Other people have admitted it on this site.So why not give them the hammer as well as me.Hence the I not anyone else.And I rather be on a uncharted island doing it.Yes i live in D.C.But I've been without power for weeks with extreme heat/cold outside,I've been with out running water before.You don't think I don't know what it feels like?.Isabel knocked out power to my area for 2 weeks.But i was still fascinated by the storm.I remember fighting people over bread and canned foods.Now wonder why people left this site.You all get off your high hoarse.I wouldn't put my family through a major or anyone else.Just myself.There.

Hmm.. I understand. While I'm not in the same situation as you (I've never been through even a Category 1 hurricane), I want to experience a MH also. Just me.
It's okay to express your opinions. Be confident.
Quoting CybrTeddy:


According to the NHC, that's what is going to happen.

Oh... I meant unlikely 'today'. I forgot to add that.
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Big rain coming for S FL!! on the CMC

JeffMasters has created a new entry.
Quoting pmzqqzmp:


And that just has you salivating at the death & destruction it will cause.

Really sick people.
It is amazing how you manage to interpret my motivations for making a simple post of what this tw may end up doing.It seems to me that you, the fingerpointer/accusser, are the one who is mentally sick.Having gone through several hurricanes myself the last thing I want to experience is the inconvenience/expenses that it causes.
Quoting washingtonian115:
Good morning I may get banned but I'm sick of this crap.That's it I'm tired of people targeting me only when I say I want to experience a major cane.Other people have admitted it on this site.So why not give them the hammer as well as me.Hence the I not anyone else.And I rather be on a uncharted island doing it.Yes i live in D.C.But I've been without power for weeks with extreme heat/cold outside,I've been with out running water before.You don't think I don't know what it feels like?.Isabel knocked out power to my area for 2 weeks.But i was still fascinated by the storm.I remember fighting people over bread and canned foods.Now wonder why people left this site.You all get off your high hoarse.I wouldn't put my family through a major or anyone else.Just myself.There.


Oh it surely means you're anti-democrat and want a major to hit DC and wipe out the Dems!
Joking of course!

I think you're a bit mad for it! But haven't thought you were wishing mass destruction or the like myself. I wouldn't mind feeling a high tropical storm...like a real one, not a chilly extra-tropical one LOL I guess it's close enough what we get here sometimes, even the Arctic/North Sea storms that come down can have hurricane force winds. I can't even imagine beach waters being in the 80's though! Never been anywhere tropical. Wales' beach waters aren't much colder than Calif LOL Wales' beaches have lovely clear water as opposed to the rather normally murky Calif waters, so some beaches have a tropical look if not warmth LOL

Oh, and good morning Gordon! And before you're all the way gone...adios Hernesto :( LOL
[This event happened on 14th Aug.] At least 20 people were injured and more than 100 cars damaged in a sudden mid-summer hailstorm in a Russian Siberian town on Tuesday (August 14). The weather suddenly changed in the evening with wind bringing a torrential downpour of huge hailstones, some larger than chicken eggs. Witnesses said some hailstones reached seven centimeters in diameter. Town residents had literally to save themselves and run to nearby buildings to find cover. Big hailstones pierced holes in car windows, sometimes smashing the glass altogether. Meteorologists said they believed the sudden summer storm was caused by a sharp temperature drop from 32 degrees Celsius at lunchtime to just 16 degrees Celsius by the evening. The town is located in the Kemerovo region in Central Siberia some 3,800 km east of Moscow.

AtHomeInTX~ Sounds like a Haircon 3 should be declared in your area:)

washingtonian115~ I don't remember anyone getting banned for wanting a storm...After that drought last year most of TX would be banned if that was the case.
Is there a spot on the coast of Africa below which the pressure waves won't develop and above which they tend to or is it too variable with the ITCZ movement?
Is it Guinea's coast?
Quoting mitthbevnuruodo:


Oh it surely means you're anti-democrat and want a major to hit DC and wipe out the Dems!
Joking of course!

I think you're a bit mad for it! But haven't thought you were wishing mass destruction or the like myself. I wouldn't mind feeling a high tropical storm...like a real one, not a chilly extra-tropical one LOL I guess it's close enough what we get here sometimes, even the Arctic/North Sea storms that come down can have hurricane force winds. I can't even imagine beach waters being in the 80's though! Never been anywhere tropical. Wales' beach waters aren't much colder than Calif LOL Wales' beaches have lovely clear water as opposed to the rather normally murky Calif waters, so some beaches have a tropical look if not warmth LOL

Oh, and good morning Gordon! And before you're all the way gone...adios Hernesto :( LOL

...Then I'm mad for it too?
I really can't watch FOX Business news... when it doesn't matter if the market is up or down [it's down] only when the market isn't going the way they want it to go... why can't you just say how many points it was up or down, and let me decide whether I think it was a modest gain or something to whoop 'n holler about?

Reminds me of the pple in here who come in, look at a storm like Gordon, and say, "Oh, it's not going to hit the US so don't even look at it." A little less obvious bias is much appreciated.

Sheesh.
Quoting AussieStorm:

If I bought you a ticket there, would you go?
I would. I think it'd be an interesting place to visit... BTW, last hurricane to hit there as a 'cane before Gordon was in 1972, I think. So two hurricane Gordons in 6 years would be a fascinating fact...

Quoting seer2012:
It is amazing how you manage to interpret my motivations for making a simple post of what this tw may end up doing.It seems to me that you, the fingerpointer/accusser, are the one who is mentally sick.Having gone through several hurricanes myself the last thing I want to experience is the inconvenience/expenses that it causes.


After experiencing Andrew at its worst (I used to live in Cutler Ridge) I know what a storm can do, and the lives it can kill & destroy. I lost my house and neighbors lost they lives.

Its the cheerleading on this blog that is totally sick.
Quoting washingtonian115:
Good morning I may get banned but I'm sick of this crap.That's it I'm tired of people targeting me only when I say I want to experience a major cane.Other people have admitted it on this site.So why not give them the hammer as well as me.Hence the I not anyone else.And I rather be on a uncharted island doing it.Yes i live in D.C.But I've been without power for weeks with extreme heat/cold outside,I've been with out running water before.You don't think I don't know what it feels like?.Isabel knocked out power to my area for 2 weeks.But i was still fascinated by the storm.I remember fighting people over bread and canned foods.Now wonder why people left this site.You all get off your high hoarse.I wouldn't put my family through a major or anyone else.Just myself.There.



Go hang out with Cyclone Oz, he'll take ya to a storm!
1275. llpj04
Quoting biff4ugo:
How is the heat and drought affecting rivers?
At New Orleans, the Mississippi is only a about a ft below average level for August and a ft above its record low. (a picture in the gallery made it seem very bad)I'm surprised it is that good.

http://www2.mvr.usace.army.mil/WaterControl/Distr icts/MVN/car.gif

http://blog.gulflive.com/mississippi-press-news/2 012/08/salt_water_encroaching_low_mis.html
also this:
http://www.nola.com/business/index.ssf/2012/08/mi ssissippi_river_closed_to_sh.html

Also if coal, grain etc can't travel the river they will put it on trucks.... costing Everyone more money!!
Hurricanes are a part of life if you live on or near the coast from Texas to Canada. Hurricanes are part of nature and help clean up the enviorment and we as people who live in the hurricane prone areas need to deal with this fact of life. I've been trough many magor hurricanes including Donna, Betsy and Andrew, it is quite exciting while there happening but the aftermath,destruction and clean up are hard on everyone affected. But iI would rather live in an area affected by Hurricanes than Tornadoes,Fires,Eartquakes or Ice Storms just to name a few of natures other killers.