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Holiday Shopping Guide for the Weather Enthusiast: Drones, PWSs, and Books

By: Jeff Masters 4:42 PM GMT on December 03, 2015

If you really want to get a perfect angle for that awesome sunset you're planning to upload as a wunderphoto and get a coveted "Approver's Choice" award for, you need a drone. I recommend the DJI Phantom 3 Standard, which I purchased from Amazon for $999 back in July. The price has gone down to $669, which is a pretty amazing deal for a camera that will provide streaming video to your smart phone or tablet from up to 1/2 mile away, fly up to 400 feet high, and take 4000x3000 pixel still images or 2.7K video. The drone can fly up to 25 minutes with its lithium-ion battery. The Phantom 3 is tough, too--I've already crashed mine once by foolishly flying it too close to my house (the backwash from the propellers reflected off the walls and caused an unexpected deviation in the attitude of the drone, and I panicked and steered it into the gutter.) The drone fell ten feet to the ground, but was unharmed save for a few nicked propeller blades that I swapped out using the spares that came with the drone. Keep in mind that drones cannot be flown in National Parks, in downtown Washington D.C., near airports, or above 400 feet in altitude. If a drone is being used for commercial purposes, such as selling photos or videos, then the FAA requires explicit permission. You can learn more at the Know Before You Fly website, or the Pro Video Coalition's discussion of FAA drone rules as of September 2015.


Figure 1. Aerial view of Dunham Lake, Michigan in full fall splendor (an Approver's Choice wunderphoto!) taken this fall with my DJI Phantom 3 Standard drone.

Holiday books for the weather and climate science enthusiast
If you're bewildered by the complexity of the climate change/global warming issue, and want a comprehensive, easy-to-understand guide with great visuals that touches on all of the important issues, look no further than “Dire Predictions Understanding Climate Change: The Visual Guide to the Findings of the IPCC” by Penn State professors Michael Mann and Lee Kump. Dr. Mann is a leading climate scientist, and is also author of "The Hockey Stick and the Climate Wars", which I reviewed in 2012. Published in 2015 (second edition), "Dire Predictions" would make a great text for teaching a course on climate change at the high school or introductory college level. The book is separated into five sections: Climate Change Basics, Climate Change Projections, The Impacts of Climate Change, Vulnerability and Adaptation to Climate Change, and Solving Climate Change. Every page is filled with rich illustrations, graphs, and images that help get across the complexities of climate change; these visuals add considerable pizzazz so the topic is not boring. The book has a provocative section near the end on the morality of climate change and the urgency of climate change, and concludes with the words, "Climate change is the greatest challenge ever faced by human society. But it is a challenge that we must confront, for the alternative is a future that is unpalatable, and potentially unlivable. While it is clear that inaction will have dire consequences, it is likewise certain that a concerted effort on the part of humanity to act in its own best interests has great potential to result in success." The paperback version of “Dire Predictions” is $18.60 from Amazon.com. My only criticism of the book is that some of the historical data plots could have been updated to give data points closer to the publication year of 2015, but I give "Dire Predictions" five stars out of five. The book would be a nice companion to my recommendation from last year’s holiday gift guide, ”The Thinking Person’s Guide to Climate Change”, published in August 2014, by our very own Bob Henson.

Bob Henson has this recommendation: “A book called ’Secrets of The Greatest Snow on Earth’ might sound like a paid advertisement for the state of Utah. In fact, the state trademarked the slogan ‘Greatest Snow on Earth’ in 1975, but author Jim Steenburgh uses it liberally (with permission). Steenburgh’s book explains what makes the snow of the Beehive State, and in particular the Wasatch Range just east of Salt Lake City, so well suited for winter sports. But it also serves as a very appealing primer on snow meteorology as a whole. ‘The Greatest Snow on Earth’ is a colorful paperback, filled with photos as well as beautifully rendered maps and scientific explanations. Steenburgh, a meteorology professor at the University of Utah, is a snow lover himself, and the writing is sprinkled with skier/boarder lingo as well as handy explanations for those of us unfamiliar with dust-on-crust, blower pow, or right-side-up snowfall. The book is an easy, informative, and engaging read while also staying scientifically rock-solid. Steenburgh explores big-snow regimes around the world, reviews avalanche safety and prevention, and examines how climate change could affect snowfall in Utah. This book is an ideal gift for someone who’s passionate about alpine snow sports and/or curious about the amazing weather that makes them possible. ‘Secrets of the Greatest Snow on Earth’ is available for $15.66 in paperback or $10.99 as a Kindle ebook from Amazon. I give it a solid five stars out of five.”



A Personal Weather Station: yes!
Every serious weather enthusiast deserves a Personal Weather Station (PWS) in their backyard! Not only can you enjoy seeing what the weather is in your backyard, you can share the data with everyone else on the Internet by uploading to the wunderground Personal Weather Station network, which boasts data from over 140,000 stations. You don’t need to have a computer on all the time to collect the data and send it to the Internet—a WeatherBridge device will keep the data flowing to the Internet even when your computer is turned off. A full list of wunderground-compatible PWS models, software, and add-ons like the Ambient WeatherBridge is available from our Personal Weather Station buying guide page. A few recommendations I have:

Weather station for a smart phone: Netatmo
The Netatmo Weather Monitor ($129) contains a unique set of sensors to monitor your living environment and wirelessly transmits all your data to your Smartphone. The Netatmo App displays your station’s indoor and outdoor measurements into clear and comprehensive dashboards, graphs and notifications. 

A low-end PWS choice: Davis Vantage Vue
The Davis Vantage Vue + WeatherBridge Package is $625 from ambientweather.com. Combine the convenience of WeatherBridge with Davis Instruments' Vantage Vue™ station which is fully featured, highly accurate and affordably priced.

A high-end PWS choice: Rainwise
I have had a Davis Vantage Pro2 in my backyard for the past seven years, and have been very happy with it, but I also recommend the RainWise Direct to Weather Underground Package, $999 from rainwise.com. The RainWise RapidFire™ enabled weather station doesn't need a PC to upload to us, and with an ultra-fast refresh rate of every 3-5 seconds, new data is updated instantly.

A webcam choice: Ubiquiti Networks AirCam
The AirCam Indoor/Outdoor IP Camera from Ubiquiti Networks ($130) combines advanced industrial design and powerful performance.



Weather Underground T-shirts and hoodies
The Weather Underground store has an assortment of T-shirts and hoodies available for 10% off through January 1 when you use this promotion code: WUFANSAVE10.

Jeff Masters (with Bob Henson contributing to the book reviews)

Book and Movie Reviews

The views of the author are his/her own and do not necessarily represent the position of The Weather Company or its parent, IBM.

Reader Comments

Up here in the Yukon we have a short list of wants for Christmas.

DO-NOTHING BRIGADE
A sneaky new rhetoric is holding back progress on climate change


“One of the enemies we will be fighting at this conference is cynicism,” President Obama warned delegates at the Paris climate change conference on Monday. He was right—but today the big danger is not climate-change deniers but those who serve up cynicism in insidious new forms.

The environmental movement is now confronting people who admit the reality of climate change but scoff at attempts to combat it. They rely on a rhetorical tactic of raising trumped-up or downright inaccurate concerns about environmental solutions, which serves to stymie progress. These “green herrings” are gobbled up by many an op-ed page and television broadcaster—and that’s a huge problem that has to stop.

One common green herring, for example, is the argument that US efforts to address climate change are pointless unless China, the world’s largest emitter of greenhouse gases, steps up. After China’s President Xi Jinping and President Obama struck a deal to curb emissions late last year, political commentator Charles Krauthammer penned a Washington Post editorial acknowledging that “pumping increasing amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere cannot be a good thing.” But he went on to argue that the U.S.-China climate deal was “a fraud” because it didn’t require enough of China.

On the face of it, this argument seems logical. But this battle cry for inaction cedes climate-change leadership to the economic planners of China. It relies on a profoundly nihilistic sentiment: “We shouldn’t help unless they help first.”

Also common are attacks on the economics or environmental shortcomings of technologies that address the long-term challenges of greenhouse gas emissions. Last week the Washington Post’s Moscow bureau chief served up one such green herring, in the form of an article called “The Dirty Secret Behind Electric Vehicles.” I had published a book on electric vehicles in January, and wondered what the author might have found.

The dirty secret, it turned out, was not much of a secret at all: Some electric cars run on coal. This is about as newsworthy as the sunrise. And the environmental problem lies not with electric cars themselves, but with relying on coal as a source of energy. But the article’s title, logic and tone—including such sentiments as, “Amid the mixed picture for electric cars, some environmentalists say that money spent on them might be better directed elsewhere”—made it seem as if electric cars were to blame.

Or take the example of Bjorn Lomborg, a visiting professor at Copenhagen Business School and self-styled “skeptical environmentalist.” Skepticism sounds good in theory. But in practice it seems that his skepticism almost always overrides his environmental concern. In February, Lomborg argued that the data on climate change are “actually encouraging.” But his specialty lies in cherry-picking data, such as the extent of Antarctic sea ice, that misleads people who aren’t experts.

Historically, people tend to do quite poorly when it comes to seeing past such ruses. In the book Merchants of Doubt, historians Naomi Oreskes and Erik Conway detail how a small cabal of free-market fundamentalists, funded in part by the fossil fuel industry, manipulated the media into giving equal time to fringe scientific theories. Thus inaccurate information spread about environmental and health issues ranging from the link between cigarettes and cancer to the dangers of global warming and acid rain. Conveniently, the naysayers’ policy prescriptions tended to be to nothing—the cheapest and easiest to most problems in the short-term.
Still has not snowed at my house.
(reads entire blog)

uhm, ohKAY, I obviously have nothing to add here.
Quoting 3. Patrap:

DO-NOTHING BRIGADE
A sneaky new rhetoric is holding back progress on climate change


“One of the enemies we will be fighting at this conference is cynicism,” President Obama warned delegates at the Paris climate change conference on Monday. He was right—but today the big danger is not climate-change deniers but those who serve up cynicism in insidious new forms.

The environmental movement is now confronting people who admit the reality of climate change but scoff at attempts to combat it. They rely on a rhetorical tactic of raising trumped-up or downright inaccurate concerns about environmental solutions, which serves to stymie progress. These “green herrings” are gobbled up by many an op-ed page and television broadcaster—and that’s a huge problem that has to stop.

One common green herring, for example, is the argument that US efforts to address climate change are pointless unless China, the world’s largest emitter of greenhouse gases, steps up. After China’s President Xi Jinping and President Obama struck a deal to curb emissions late last year, political commentator Charles Krauthammer penned a Washington Post editorial acknowledging that “pumping increasing amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere cannot be a good thing.” But he went on to argue that the U.S.-China climate deal was “a fraud” because it didn’t require enough of China.

On the face of it, this argument seems logical. But this battle cry for inaction cedes climate-change leadership to the economic planners of China. It relies on a profoundly nihilistic sentiment: “We shouldn’t help unless they help first.”

Also common are attacks on the economics or environmental shortcomings of technologies that address the long-term challenges of greenhouse gas emissions. Last week the Washington Post’s Moscow bureau chief served up one such green herring, in the form of an article called “The Dirty Secret Behind Electric Vehicles.” I had published a book on electric vehicles in January, and wondered what the author might have found.

The dirty secret, it turned out, was not much of a secret at all: Some electric cars run on coal. This is about as newsworthy as the sunrise. And the environmental problem lies not with electric cars themselves, but with relying on coal as a source of energy. But the article’s title, logic and tone—including such sentiments as, “Amid the mixed picture for electric cars, some environmentalists say that money spent on them might be better directed elsewhere”—made it seem as if electric cars were to blame.

Or take the example of Bjorn Lomborg, a visiting professor at Copenhagen Business School and self-styled “skeptical environmentalist.” Skepticism sounds good in theory. But in practice it seems that his skepticism almost always overrides his environmental concern. In February, Lomborg argued that the data on climate change are “actually encouraging.” But his specialty lies in cherry-picking data, such as the extent of Antarctic sea ice, that misleads people who aren’t experts.

Historically, people tend to do quite poorly when it comes to seeing past such ruses. In the book Merchants of Doubt, historians Naomi Oreskes and Erik Conway detail how a small cabal of free-market fundamentalists, funded in part by the fossil fuel industry, manipulated the media into giving equal time to fringe scientific theories. Thus inaccurate information spread about environmental and health issues ranging from the link between cigarettes and cancer to the dangers of global warming and acid rain. Conveniently, the naysayers’ policy prescriptions tended to be to nothing—the cheapest and easiest to most problems in the short-term.


"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false."

- William Casey, CIA Director

nice update guys



Link
William Casey really was one of the true Masters Of The World. But I digress, it nearing Christmas lets look at some cool gifts and appreciate this freedom we have to do so as Americans.
And as American's I mean, we can sit in comfort and safety and shop from home, knowing our loved ones will return. The world is on fire and we see more of these sparks every day. Just like yesterday in California and just like the hottest year in recorded history we're sitting through now.
Thanks doks!

A pre-frontal surface trough is what's causing the impressive storms over and south of southwest Cuba according to the NHC. Very cool feature. Has a nice little spin to it.
No Tropical Cyclones on the Globe atm.

Cool beans here though.

Tropical Cyclone Imagery - Storm Floaters

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From Miami NWS...

UPDATE...
12Z RAOB REVEALED ANOMALOUSLY MOIST ATMOSPHERE ...PWATS WELL IN
EXCESS OF 2 INCHES AND NEARLY SATURATED ENVIRONMENT BELOW 400 MB.
THINK THIS AMOUNT OF SATURATION SHOULD KEEP CLOUDCOVER IN
PLACE...SUPPRESS WHAT OTHERWISE COULD BE A QUITE UNSTABLE AIRMASS.
WITH LLVL SHEAR FAIRLY IMPRESSIVE...CANT RULE OUT GUSTY WINDS AND
PERHAPS EVEN FUNNEL CLOUDS/WATERSPOUTS FOR AREAS SOUTH OF THE
FRONT...POSSIBLY EVEN IN THE HEAVIER SHOWERS. CDFNT IS DIFFICULT
TO PINPOINT...BUT APPEARS TO BE APPROACHING THE LAKE...AND IS
EXPECTED TO MOVE ONLY VERY SLOWLY SOUTHWARD TODAY.

RAINFALL OVERNIGHT INCLUDED LOCALIZED AMOUNTS OF OVER 4 INCHES
OVER PORTIONS OF MIAMI-DADE COUNTY...WITH 2-3 INCHES OCCURRING IN
PARTS OF PALM BEACH COUNTY. HIRES MODELS SUGGEST HEAVIEST RAINFALL
OVER NEXT 6-12 HOURS WILL BE ROUGHLY ALONG NAPLES TO WEST PALM
BEACH CORRIDOR...WHICH WOULD KEEP TODAYS HEAVY RAINFALL SEPARATE
FROM AREAS TO THE SOUTH AND EAST THAT HAVE ALREADY EXPERIENCED
SIGNIFICANT RAINFALL. THIS COMBINED WITH UNCERTAINTIES IN EXTENT
OF CONVERGENCE AND LIFT /DUE TO CLOUDCOVER/ IS REASON FLOOD WATCH
HAS NOT BE ISSUED. THE POTENTIAL THAT A WATCH WILL BE NEEDED
REMAINS AND WILL CONTINUE TO RE-EVALUATE.
Thanks Gentlemen, those 2 stations are kinda pricey.
Quoting 23. PedleyCA:

Thanks Gentlemen, those 2 stations are kinda pricey.


Yeah, "low end" at $625.00
Not everyone can afford $625.00 gifts for the holidays. It's all relative.

But saying that, I've got the Vantage Vue and it's been a good, reliable PWS.
Quoting 23. PedleyCA:

Thanks Gentlemen, those 2 stations are kinda pricey.


Can get Ambient PWS with Wifi for just over $300 vs the other two of over $600 and 1K
Quoting 24. Gearsts:




the cool pool still remains

Who has solar anemometer on their PWS? I don't trust that, seems like if it's cloudy for a long few days your gonna lose a reading for wind. Plus for people up north with shorter days in winter.
Quoting 28. RitaEvac:

Who has solar anemometer on their PWS? I don't trust that, seems like if it's cloudy for a long few days your gonna lose a reading for wind. Plus for people up north with shorter days in winter.


I haven't had any issues with my Vantage Vue. But every once in a while you'll need to replace the battery for whatever reason. My Vue also only gets full direct sunlight for about half the day.
well I guess its time too go up and service pws for winter now that we are chatting about them
Quoting 6. aquak9:

(reads entire blog)

uhm, ohKAY, I obviously have nothing to add here.
Only to add that the Rainwise/WU combination doesn't even come with a display for your $999. That's $495 extra, even though Rainwise sells the display for $469 elsewhere on their site. The display seems to be reproducing an old-time weather station display, with big red digits for each of the readings. Pretty neat looking actually, although it's limited in what you data you can display simultaneously. The prices also don't include shipping. As far as I can tell, you can only view your data at WU if you don't have a display, which means you need a working network connection to see anything. A little too high end for me.

Quoting 34. sar2401:

Only to add that the Rainwise/WU combination doesn't even come with a display for your $999. That's $495 extra, even though Rainwise sells the display for $469 elsewhere on their site. The display seems to be reproducing an old-time weather station display, with big red digits for each of the readings. Pretty neat looking actually, although it's limited in what you data you can display simultaneously. The prices also don't include shipping. As far as I can tell, you can only view your data at WU if you don't have a display, which means you need a working network connection to see anything. A little too high end for me.




Yea...lil old school looking to me, can't believe you have to buy the console seperately. lol
Quoting 34. sar2401:

Only to add that the Rainwise/WU combination doesn't even come with a display for your $999. That's $495 extra, even though Rainwise sells the display for $469 elsewhere on their site. The display seems to be reproducing an old-time weather station display, with big red digits for each of the readings. Pretty neat looking actually, although it's limited in what you data you can display simultaneously. The prices also don't include shipping. As far as I can tell, you can only view your data at WU if you don't have a display, which means you need a working network connection to see anything. A little too high end for me.




I remember when I was a kid and I went over to my friends house. His father was a surgeon and they lived in a house that would be worth well over a million dollars today.
But they had a PWS on the roof with a really cool looking display mounted on the wall inside the house. This was about 40 years ago. Back then it was pretty rare to have a PWS in your home.
I thought it was really cool having you own personal weather station in your home being a young weather geek.

Now PWS have become affordable (for the most part) to the average working man.
Quoting 28. RitaEvac:

Who has solar anemometer on their PWS? I don't trust that, seems like if it's cloudy for a long few days your gonna lose a reading for wind. Plus for people up north with shorter days in winter.
I've had the Vantage VUE and Ambient WS-1001. Both are solar powered, but I like the VUE electronics better. It uses a big capacitor to store energy for use at night or on a cloudy day. The capacitor is good for about 12 hours of voltage before the rechargeable batteries takes over. The Ambient station is totally dependent on the rechargeables. I never had any problems with either one, but I did have to change batteries more often with the Ambient station. If I lived in a cloudy area or one of really short days, I'd get the VUE. For where we are, there's really not a lot of difference.
Here we go again - Nino WWBs forecasted to continue building, and more east too.
Quoting 36. Sfloridacat5:



I remember when I was a kid and I went over to my friends house. His father was a surgeon and they lived in a house that would be worth well over a million dollars today.
But they had a PWS on the roof with a really cool looking display mounted on the wall inside the house. This was about 40 years ago. Back then it was pretty rare to have a PWS in your home.
I thought it was really cool having you own personal weather station in your home being such a weather geek, even back then at a young age.

Now PWS have become affordable (for the most part) to the average working man.
I'm trying to remember where I saw a similar display. I think it was at our college weather station which means it was in the early 70's. The concept of being able to own a complete weather station then was way beyond what the average person could afford, let alone the complexity of setting one up. I built my own anemometer and wind vane because I couldn't afford a "real" one. Both had contacts and wipers that lit small neon bulbs as they revolved. It wasn't a big problem getting the wind direction part right. Getting the wind speed calibration was a nightmare, with me making my dad drive the car, me holding the anemometer out the window, and counting the bulb flashes at different speeds. He was ready to kill me before I got done with that part. :-)
The picture in #2 seems completely relevant to the blog topic, glad it wasn't removed by the Mods.
Quoting 36. Sfloridacat5:

Now PWS have become affordable (for the most part) to the average working man.
Or, you know, woman. ;-)

I'm holding out hope that one of my, er, "Santas" will gift me a drone. But I doubt that's happening...
Quoting 43. Neapolitan:

Or, you know, woman. ;-)

I'm holding out hope that one of my, er, "Santas" will gift me a drone. But I doubt that's happening...


Yeah, these type gifts usually get purchased by Santa for Santa, but there's always hope.
Just got around to looking at the Netatmo gizmo now. According to the purchase page at Netatmo, a station with an indoor and outdoor sensor is $179. A rain gauge is another $79. They are apparently developing a ultrasonic wind gauge, but it's not for sale yet. It's not clear to me how you mount any of these sensors. You're also stuck with only seeing your data through the cloud, although at least you're not tied to WU for that. I imagine the wind gauge isn't going to cost less than the rain gauge. By the time you're finished buying all the sensors (of unknown durability, I might add), you could have purchased a base model Vantage VUE. The sensors do look cool, but cool isn't cheap.
Looks like the heaviest rains maybe trying to focus across C FL. Well see how it goes as this rain is working its way up toward Tampa now.


Global warming: depletion of oxygen far greater threat than flooding

Should global warming increase ocean temperatures by just a few degrees, then it is not flooding but a huge reduction in atmospheric oxygen that would pose the greatest threat to our life on Earth....................................
In a paper published in the Bulletin of Mathematical Biology, they explain how 70% of the oxygen in the Earth's atmosphere comes from phytoplankton - photosynthesizing microscopic organisms that inhabit the sunlit, topmost layer of nearly all our oceans and bodies of fresh water............................................. ..
The model shows that a sustainable system of oxygen production is only possible in a middle range. And, if the rate of production goes too high or too low on either side of this range, it leads to oxygen depletion and extinction of the plankton.

It suggests that a rise of just 6 degrees Celsius in the temperature of the world's oceans - which some scientists predict could happen by 2100 - would be enough to wipe out the phytoplankton and deplete atmospheric oxygen everywhere.

Such a catastrophe, note the authors, "obviously can kill most of life on Earth."

Link
Quoting 2. Patrap:

Up here in the Yukon we have a short list of wants for Christmas.




Snow & a gun! I love it!!
Textbook placement and no cold air.



GFS suggest we will get a better chance the following week though.
Quoting 39. VibrantPlanet:

Here we go again - Nino WWBs forecasted to continue building, and more east too.



Even stronger WWB in January & February. This could get interesting!
Quoting 42. tampabaymatt:

Wow!




Radar has the rain axis further north. Strange as the heaviest rains may actually end up from Bradenton to the Space Coast. Well see how this plays out this afternoon.
Quoting 46. StormTrackerScott:

Looks like the heaviest rains maybe trying to focus across C FL. Well see how it goes as this rain is working its way up toward Tampa now.




*Living In Merritt Island* Were getting the first waves of the storm now here at my school. How long is this expected to last?
Quoting 51. StormTrackerScott:



Radar has the rain axis further north. Strange as the heaviest rains may actually end up from Bradenton to the Space Coast. Well see how this plays out this afternoon.


I live along space coast. Were right in the middle of this blast, How much rain do you expect from this?
12Z Euro showing heavy rains along with a potential for severe weather next Tuesday Night into Wednesday across FL. Very very active pattern underway across FL. Those on here thinking December will be dry across FL well think again.

Quoting 49. Drakoen:

Textbook placement and no cold air.



GFS suggest we will get a better chance the following week though.


And I still don't get snow.
Quoting 8. KEEPEROFTHEGATE:


nice update guys



Link

These drones are so cool! I just bought a little 4" $30 one at Walgreens and it flies great. I was looking up prices and saw that these range anywhere from $15 - $8,000.00.

It feels like fall here today after several days of warm, muggy weather. Around 70F and overcast. Just around 0.02" here yesterday, despite some much higher amounts in many areas nearby. I am not expecting any significant precipitation (above 0.1") here in the next 5 days. I think we are moving toward typical el nino winter conditions here.
So far, just a trace of rain in Naples, though the radar says that may end soon. We're down for the day, down for the month-to-date, and down considerably for the year. But that may change with this bright and sunny forecast:

It seems the front stalled further north than expected. Upper impulse moving across the Gulf tonight could pull this rain even further north into Orlando sometime around Midnight or thereafter.
From looking at the previous blog, I apologize for ever bringing up the gun control topic, not only because this is a meteorology blog, but because it ends up inevitably becoming a shouting match of which I too was part of for a time until I stopped in realizing the firestorm I started. I should have known better, such topics are better discussed in person. I'm not sure why but such topics are typically best only discussed in person rather than online, and maybe that's because online is impersonal.

With that said, I will say that when we have strong opinions on something, the impersonal nature of the internet can cause significant division and more arguing than necessary. What I mean by this, is that there wasn't as much disagreement as it may have first appeared.

With that said, back to weather...

Speaking of, I had 1.27 yesterday, and after a very wet November at 8.76, the once severe to near extreme drought here in Tallahassee and the east panhandle/big bend is nearly gone!



Also, southeast Florida once had terrible drought during the summer, with a large area of severe to extreme drought, but it has had well above average rains this fall, which has helped to reduce the drought. With an upcoming major rain event becoming likely, drought is likely to be gone altogether soon there!

BTW, it's worth noting that so far this fall, southeast Florida and north Florida have gotten a lot of rain, while central Florida, the once rain drenched area with flooding and well above average rain this summer, has gotten get drier with a well below average rain this fall. It's weird how things can change so much in a few months.
Quoting 60. StormTrackerScott:

It seems the front stalled further north than expected. Upper impulse moving across the Gulf tonight could pull this rain even further north into Orlando sometime around Midnight or thereafter.


Yep those heavy rains down by Sarasota were expected to occur way down by Ft. Myers and Naples, the official forecast for Central Florida had called for only a slight chance of sprinkles to light rain. Models definitely goofed on this one so far today.

It's funny to note that this band of rain near Sarasota is producing more rain already than the WPC had forecast for the whole next 7 days, lol.
Quoting 54. StormTrackerScott:

12Z Euro showing heavy rains along with a potential for severe weather next Tuesday Night into Wednesday across FL. Very very active pattern underway across FL. Those on here thinking December will be dry across FL well think again.





Looking at past El Nino events, especially strong ones, typically the impacts didn't really get going in Florida until the 2nd half of the month anyway. However this major rain pattern expected in South Florida definitely already appears to be the result of El Nino given the pattern that will be causing it.
Ah, new blog (thanks) - and an advertisement for drones, hmm. Have to confess, a lot of photos and videos, recorded by drones, are very nice to look at (apart from the benefits of drones f.e. in cases of emergency), and as a fervent photographer they are a temptation for me as well.

BUT - are we sure that we didn't create just another pain in the a..., I mean, pain in the already maltreated ears of living beings? And what more annoyance an armee of spying technical insects will bring, hovering over our heads, once every Dick and Tom and Barb will own one (guess I won't own one, though) ...



My Picnic Was Interrupted by Drones
As Flying Robots Become More Prevalent, Enforcement of Their Usage Is Lax
The Stranger, May 27, 2015

Drones Increase Heart Rates Of Wild Bears. Too Much Stress?
Updated August 14, 201512:52 PM ET

Drones are going to be a part of your day-to-day life very soon. And you'll be bored stiff by them
We've become so overexposed to technology that the extraordinary is now very, very ordinary
The Telegraph, By Willard Foxton, 4:21PM BST 22 Oct 2014

What's That Buzzing Noise? Oh, It's Just a Drone, Spying on You at the Beach
By: Susan Bird, June 19, 2014

Noise pollution is making us oblivious to the sound of nature, says researcher
Gift of hearing birdsong and trickling water is being lost to a process of "learned deafness", says US scientist, as people screen out background noise
The Guardian, Tuesday 17 February 2015 01.45 GMT
great beginner product affordable I have one my first


Quoting 63. Jedkins01:




Looking at past El Nino events, especially strong ones, typically the impacts didn't really get going in Florida until the 2nd half of the month anyway. However this major rain pattern expected in South Florida definitely already appears to be the result of El Nino given the pattern that will be causing it.


This pattern is very active and very fast moving so one can expect large one to run differences in forecast beyond 4 days. Also I think this upper air impulse across the Western Gulf was under estimated by the models and there is clearly a lot more rain with it over the Central Gulf compared to what was forecast. This impulse will cross FL tomorrow.

I have like 3 now
It's finally raining at my location in south Fort Myers. It's just a gentle but steady rain (good for the plants).
Quoting 55. 62901IL:



And I still don't get snow.
not till January after the new year 8 weeks of cold and snow then its done
A lot of boomin' here in the Lower Keys...

Death toll climbs to 269 from torrential rain and flooding in southern India

Tamil Nadu’s capital, Chennai, and surrounding areas have received more than 11 inches of rainfall in recent days -- about 75% of the average for the entire monsoon season -- with about one-third of the rainfall coming over a 24-hour period leading into Thursday. The downpour was one of the heaviest in the area in a century.

Link

South India floods leave three million cut off from basic services

As much as 345mm (14in) of rain fell over 24 hours earlier this week.

Link
Quoting 70. ChillinInTheKeys:

A lot of boomin' here in the Lower Keys...




Is it actually "booming" or just heavy rain. I was just wondering, because we all know heavy tropical showers can be void of thunder.
My son just got the Phanton 3 regular 2 weeks ago and paid $598.00. This thing is the easiest drone to fly by far and it takes fantastic pictures. I live in Annapolis Maryland and last Sunday we flew it with a very low cloud ceiling. Approximately 300 ft and at some points we actually lost it in the clouds a few times. If you are going to get a drone, this is the one to get.
New flooding problems may develop in eastern Tamil Nadu and far southern Kerala with additional rainfall of 100-200 mm (4-8 inches) expected through Sunday.

Locally higher amounts are possible and some communities, such as Chidambaram and Tirunelveli, could receive most of that rain on either Friday or Saturday alone.


Link
Keep the drones away from wildland fire operations. Flying them around active fires may cost you or your neighbors a home, or possibly lives. When drones are spotted, all aerial resources (helicopters/tankers/lead planes) are grounded. fines for interfering with active fire suppression can be extremely expensive.

http://fireaviation.com/2015/07/29/faa-wildfires- and-drones-dont-mix/
Quoting 72. Sfloridacat5:



Is it actually "booming" or just heavy rain. I was just wondering, because we all know heavy tropical showers can be void of thunder.


It's warm tropical rain but plenty of thunder. Lightning hasn't arrived yet.

Edit: Lightning is here now and nightfall has arrived early it seems. ;)
Quoting 64. barbamz:








Out here in farm country, be like goin' pheasant huntin'

Quoting 77. KuCommando:



Out here in farm country, be like goin' pheasant huntin'

formation flying with 1 controller and 5 drones in an attack formation would be fun up against the rem
So.
Back to the gripping events of the Spanish President and the news of the climate talks as reported by the Spanish National TV.
Well after the president was shown playing dominos for quite a while, he was then shown baking, as in food (cooked) and then later he was shown playing table football. These shots are on-going as of 3rd December 2015.

No mention of the Paris climate talks have been made on Spanish national TV for the last 3 days and we have no idea what is going on.
Having said that the Spanish President got 8.7 million views or about 20% of the population for his cooking demonstration so at least the population are apparently alive and watching, even though they are not being shown the right things.
Meanwhile the Spanish weather report tells us that temps are again in the record area, this time in the Salamanca area.
More later no doubt?
Quoting 77. KuCommando:



Out here in farm country, be like goin' pheasant huntin'




Careful

Excerpt:

Though it’s not the first time a drone has been shot down, the Federal Aviation Administration has yet to charge anyone who has shot down a drone. However, the agency has classified drones as “aircraft,” which would mean that they would be under the same restrictions as other types of aircraft. Shooting one would therefore be a federal felony.
Quoting 79. PlazaRed:

So.
Back to the gripping events of the Spanish President and the news of the climate talks as reported by the Spanish National TV.
Well after the president was shown playing dominos for quite a while, he was then shown baking, as in food (cooked) and then later he was shown playing table football. These shots are on-going as of 3rd December 2015.

No mention of the Paris climate talks have been made on Spanish national TV for the last 3 days and we have no idea what is going on.
Having said that the Spanish President got 8.7 million views or about 20% of the population for his cooking demonstration so at least the population are apparently alive and watching, even though they are not being shown the right things.
Meanwhile the Spanish weather report tells us that temps are again in the record area, this time in the Salamanca area.
More later no doubt?
Quoting 49. Drakoen:

Textbook placement and no cold air.



GFS suggest we will get a better chance the following week though.
That is like porn.Please don't post that!
Well if I had a PWS, I could confirm that 60 MPH wind gust. The highest I can find at the lights though is 31 kts.

Picked up a half inch of rain in one hour the past hour here in the SF Bay Area as the cold front passed thru. Plenty of action remains upstream with the trough axis aloft.
Quoting 47. ColoradoBob1:


Global warming: depletion of oxygen far greater threat than flooding

Should global warming increase ocean temperatures by just a few degrees, then it is not flooding but a huge reduction in atmospheric oxygen that would pose the greatest threat to our life on Earth....................................
In a paper published in the Bulletin of Mathematical Biology, they explain how 70% of the oxygen in the Earth's atmosphere comes from phytoplankton - photosynthesizing microscopic organisms that inhabit the sunlit, topmost layer of nearly all our oceans and bodies of fresh water............................................. ..
The model shows that a sustainable system of oxygen production is only possible in a middle range. And, if the rate of production goes too high or too low on either side of this range, it leads to oxygen depletion and extinction of the plankton.

It suggests that a rise of just 6 degrees Celsius in the temperature of the world's oceans - which some scientists predict could happen by 2100 - would be enough to wipe out the phytoplankton and deplete atmospheric oxygen everywhere.

Such a catastrophe, note the authors, "obviously can kill most of life on Earth."

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This worries me too. However 6C rises in ocean temperatures have happened after oxygen breathing life became dominant in past geologic epochs and we did not have mass extinctions from lack of atmospheric or oceanic oxygen. But past warmings have been slow enough for flora to adapt. This one won't be.

The Asian-Pacific jet is now well-established at the mid latitudes. Looking for subtropical inputs and strengthening as the full El Nino onset approaches with the holidays.
hey keeper? speaking of shooting things down, there's a spam blog needs taken care of. Vintspropertygroup or some such nonsense.

Or you can leave it and I'll just posts LOLcats there.

Anyone?
the CPC says winter is Cancel for east coast


Quoting 88. aquak9:

hey keeper? speaking of shooting things down, there's a spam blog needs taken care of. Vintspropertygroup or some such nonsense.

Or you can leave it and I'll just posts LOLcats there.

Anyone?
thanks water puppy done
Quoting 61. Jedkins01:

Speaking of, I had 1.27 yesterday, and after a very wet November at 8.76, the once severe to near extreme drought here in Tallahassee and the east panhandle/big bend is nearly gone!



Also, southeast Florida once had terrible drought during the summer, with a large area of severe to extreme drought, but it has had well above average rains this fall, which has helped to reduce the drought. With an upcoming major rain event becoming likely, drought is likely to be gone altogether soon there!

BTW, it's worth noting that so far this fall, southeast Florida and north Florida have gotten a lot of rain, while central Florida, the once rain drenched area with flooding and well above average rain this summer, has gotten get drier with a well below average rain this fall. It's weird how things can change so much in a few months.
How's this for weird. A plot of rainfall for Tuesday and Wednesday for Alabama and part of the Panhandle. This came from a cold front moving from the NW to SE. You'd expect that the rainfall would be at least a little uniform over the state. Instead, there was a fair bit to a lot of rain in the north, a fair bit to a lot of rain in the far SE and the Panhandle, and almost none in the central part of the state. I don't know who had the 0.10" reported for Barbour County, but it wasn't me.



Lest you think this was just a one time event, look at the rain for the month as well. A similar pattern, although the heavier rainfall at least crept further north for my two torrential rainfall events, so I ended up with 7.14". Except for the two big rains, I would have had a little less than two inches. Places in the Panhandle and a little further south of me in Alabama ended up with the rather amazing totals of 10-14 inches...in November, and with no tropical storm. The front went through here late last night. The low clouds never cleared, so my temperature range so far has been 46 to my present 50. All I can say is that the real El Nino must not be here yet. If it is, it's going to a pretty weird event.

Eric Blake ‏@EricBlake12 Dec 2
Nov. data coming in: Nino 3.4 SSTs r .24C warmer than previous monthly record using NCEP reanalysis
Quoting 80. nrtiwlnvragn:



Careful

Excerpt:

Though it%u2019s not the first time a drone has been shot down, the Federal Aviation Administration has yet to charge anyone who has shot down a drone. However, the agency has classified drones as %u201Caircraft,%u201D which would mean that they would be under the same restrictions as other types of aircraft. Shooting one would therefore be a federal felony.


If a "drone " is classified as an "aircraft" I would assume it would need to maintain a minimum safe altitude while flying over private (my house in the country) or public property (city park)?
I don't know the answer, just posting the question.
Philip Klotzbach ‏@philklotzbach Dec 1
The tropical and far North Atlantic has anomalously cooled considerably over the past month.
Quoting 45. sar2401:

Just got around to looking at the Netatmo gizmo now.

I have one of these and like it a lot. You can see conditions at my house in Daphne, AL here:
Link
I used 7 1/2 for pheasant, that way if a covey pops up I won't rip em to shreds, though usually have a 6 or 5 stuck back as third. Haven't had bird dog for several yrs so not too many bird hunts lately. Haven't even used 4 for turkeys.

Anyway, sun didn't get out as early as expected, so nowhere near that 40s forecast. Spoke too soon yesterday about no frozen precip, had a little burst from a backside arm as left work last night & a little more this a.m. Have 35 currently w/ 31 d.p. & no wind chill from very light northerly winds. Press up to 30.4" and skies finally starting to clear. Still have 60s for next Fri (& now Sat), we'll see.

Just found out I share exact b'day w/ Daryl Hannah & Julianne Moore, we're all double nickel today. (& not exact, but Ozzie's too - no wonder wife thinks I'm nuts sometimes)
Used to have something like this on the wall of our house back in the day... That in combination with looking out the door made for pretty accurate daily forecasting!

Quoting 80. nrtiwlnvragn:



Careful

Excerpt:

Though it’s not the first time a drone has been shot down, the Federal Aviation Administration has yet to charge anyone who has shot down a drone. However, the agency has classified drones as “aircraft,” which would mean that they would be under the same restrictions as other types of aircraft. Shooting one would therefore be a federal felony.
At least for a drone with an FAA commercial permit, there's no doubt about its classification as an aircraft. Shooting one down, regardless of how much it annoyed you, could land you in jail. Things get a little murkier for a non-commercial drone in the airspace of your residential property. There has yet to be a ruling of how an aerial peeping tom should be handled. There have been cases of people arrested for flying a peeping tom drone and others for shooting down a peeping tom drone, but no definitive ruling in any state I'm aware of. I'm not aware of any state passing a law regulating drones, although I'm sure there will be, but that's going to run up against federal versus state jurisdiction. In general, however, since it's not legal to shoot an actual peeping tom, it would be a wise idea not shoot at the aerial variety. :-)
Quoting 98. sar2401:

At least for a drone with an FAA commercial permit, there's no doubt about its classification as an aircraft. Shooting one down, regardless of how much it annoyed you, could land you in jail. Things get a little murkier for a non-commercial drone in the airspace of your residential property. There has yet to be a ruling of how an aerial peeping tom should be handled. There have been cases of people arrested for flying a peeping tom drone and others for shooting down a peeping tom drone, but no definitive ruling in any state I'm aware of. I'm not aware of any state passing a law regulating drones, although I'm sure there will be, but that's going to run up against federal versus state jurisdiction. In general, however, since it's not legal to shoot an actual peeping tom, it would be a wise idea not shoot at the aerial variety. :-)


FAA says your drone is an aircraft.

Link
Quoting 97. JNFlori30A:

Used to have something like this on the wall of our house back in the day... That in combination with looking out the door made for pretty accurate daily forecasting!


I still have that exact model, even down to the wavy wood edges. I got it at a yard sale for a buck. It's one of the real old ones, with aluminum bodies on the gauges and real glass faces. It was my first commercial "weather station" when I was a kid, so it has to be from the late 50's. I was amazed to see one still in one piece, and still in such good shape. Everything still works. I got my first one for Christmas way back when. It still ranks as one of my best Christmas presents. :-)
When the terrorist (or just crazy people) start using drones, then what do we do?

On that gun show (can't remember the name) they made a flying drone machine gun.
Quoting 100. nrtiwlnvragn:



FAA says your drone is an aircraft.

Link
That's just an extension of the existing regulation for model airplanes, rockets, and balloons. The FAA is making the first step at requiring drones to be registered and carry a "tail" number. It looks like this may extend to all unmanned aircraft of any type. How far this gets remains to be seen, but it's the first attempt to treat drones the same as piloted aircraft in terms of registration.
Pouring "can't see across the street" rain here on Calle Ocho near the Palmetto Expressway intersection in Miami.

Think that when I get home later this evening I will dig out my old copy of "The Manchurian Candidate" in case the football game gets boring.
If an eagle takes down your drone, can you shoot down the eagle?
Quoting 95. AdamReith:


I have one of these and like it a lot. You can see conditions at my house in Daphne, AL here:
Link
Not hard to tell the company is headquartered in France when you bring up that map. :-) How and where did you mount the sensor? How long have you had it? How's battery life so far? The ultrasonic wind gauge looks like a really interesting idea, but I'm enough of a Luddite to not want my only option to view the weather is through the cloud...so to speak.
Quoting 103. sar2401:

That's just an extension of the existing regulation for model airplanes, rockets, and balloons. The FAA is making the first step at requiring drones to be registered and carry a "tail" number. It looks like this may extend to all unmanned aircraft of any type. How far this gets remains to be seen, but it's the first attempt to treat drones the same as piloted aircraft in terms of registration.


I guess if you don't mind a possible Felony arrest on your record, go ahead and shoot one down.

"What do you mean I am on the no-fly list?"

"Says here you shot at an aircraft"
Quoting 105. aquak9:

If an eagle takes down your drone, can you shoot down the eagle?
Only if the eagle happened to be looking in your window at that same time it attacked your drone.
Quoting 107. nrtiwlnvragn:



I guess if you don't mind a possible Felony arrest on your record, go ahead and shoot one down.

"What do you mean I am on the no-fly list?"

"Says here you shot at an aircraft"
Indeed, which is why I recommended not shooting at a drone, regardless of the motivation.
Quoting 105. aquak9:

If an eagle takes down your drone, can you shoot down the eagle?
no its an act of nature the eagle is defending its territory and the individual accepts all risks that can or could occur to the device/animals/persons during operations drones are not toys it can cause serious harm or damage if operated improperly by an individual it is recommended to start with low costs beginner units before moving up too more complex machines learn before you fly
Good Afternoon Wundergrounders,

Wanted to share a little bit about the weather in Seattle, and well really all of Western Washington today... First the warnings for Seattle and the Puget Sound.

URGENT - WEATHER MESSAGE
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE SEATTLE WA
823 AM PST THU DEC 3 2015

SAN JUAN COUNTY-WESTERN WHATCOM COUNTY-SOUTHWEST INTERIOR- WESTERN SKAGIT COUNTY-EVERETT AND VICINITY-TACOMA AREA- ADMIRALTY INLET AREA-HOOD CANAL AREA-EAST PUGET SOUND LOWLANDS- BELLEVUE AND VICINITY-SEATTLE AND VICINITY-BREMERTON AND VICINITY-
823 AM PST THU DEC 3 2015

...HIGH WIND WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT FROM 2 PM THIS AFTERNOON TO 10 PM PST THIS EVENING...

* WIND...SOUTH WIND WILL INCREASE TO 25 TO 40 MPH LATE THIS AFTERNOON OR EARLY EVENING...THEN SWITCH TO SOUTHWESTERLY BEFORE EASING LATE IN THE EVENING. GUSTS TO 60 MPH ARE POSSIBLE.

* SOME AFFECTED LOCATIONS...THE I-5 METRO CORRIDOR INCLUDING OLYMPIA... TACOMA... SEATTLE... BELLEVUE... EVERETT...AND BELLINGHAM. OTHER LOCATIONS INCLUDE BREMERTON AND HOOD CANAL.

* TIMING...LATEST MODEL FORECASTS INDICATE THIS WILL BE A SHORT LIVED BUT POWERFUL EVENT. HIGH WIND WILL BEGIN IN PIERCE COUNTY AROUND 3 PM...SPREAD TO KING AND SNOHOMISH COUNTIES BY 4 PM... AND THEN SPREAD TO THE NORTH INTERIOR BY 5 PM. BY 7 PM THE HIGH WIND IS FORECAST TO BE OVER.

* IMPACTS...HIGH WINDS CAN DAMAGE PROPERTY...TOPPLE TREES...AND TAKE DOWN POWER LINES.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

A HIGH WIND WARNING MEANS A HAZARDOUS HIGH WIND EVENT IS EXPECTED OR OCCURRING. SUSTAINED WIND SPEEDS OF AT LEAST 40 MPH OR GUSTS OF 58 MPH OR MORE CAN LEAD TO PROPERTY DAMAGE.

There is a slight chance that the Washington Coast will be hit with sustained winds of 50+ with gusts upward of 70mph, which is mentioned in their High Wind Warning.

Quoting 102. Sfloridacat5:

When the terrorist (or just crazy people) start using drones, then what do we do?

On that gun show (can't remember the name) they made a flying drone machine gun.
It's probably already happening. Since drones are freely available, are not closely regulated, and work so well, I can't imagine a better surveillance tool. Terrorists are pretty quick to use technology to further their aims.
Quoting 98. sar2401:

In general, however, since it's not legal to shoot an actual peeping tom, it would be a wise idea not shoot at the aerial variety. :-)

The analogy breaks down when you consider the additional threat from the drone itself. Some of the drones I've seen could seriously injure a person if they crashed into somebody. If some random guy in my neighborhood is recklessly flying his drone around and it starts to put my kids in my yard in jeopardy, for example, then I don't see why I can't shoot it down for the same reason I could shoot his dog if it escaped into my yard and tried to bite my kids. (Hypothetically, of course. I don't own a gun.)
For the mountains of Washington things are a little more interesting that rain and wind... Although the Winter Storm Warnings are for Eastern Washington...

URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE SEATTLE WA
417 AM PST THU DEC 3 2015

CASCADES OF WHATCOM AND SKAGIT COUNTIES- CASCADES OF SNOHOMISH AND KING COUNTIES- CASCADES OF PIERCE AND LEWIS COUNTIES-
417 AM PST THU DEC 3 2015

...WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 10 PM PST THIS
EVENING...

* ICE ACCUMULATION...UP TO A QUARTER INCH OF FREEZING RAIN IS POSSIBLE IN THE PASSES...ESPECIALLY SNOQUALMIE PASS...BY LATE THIS AFTERNOON.

* SNOW ACCUMULATION...UP TO 7 INCHES OF NEW SNOW IS LIKELY TODAY AND THIS EVENING...MAINLY ABOVE 4500 FEET.

* SOME AFFECTED LOCATIONS...THE FREEZING RAIN WILL AFFECT MAINLY STEVENS PASS...SNOQUALMIE PASS...AND WHITE PASS.

* TIMING...PRECIPITATION WILL BE LOCALLY HEAVY AT TIMES TODAY...WITH OCCASIONAL FREEZING RAIN IN THE PASSES.

* SNOW LEVEL...AROUND 3000 TO 4000 FEET IN THE PASSES DUE TO EASTERLY WINDS...BUT 5500 TO 7000 FEET OVER THE CASCADES AWAY FROM THE PASSES.

* MAIN IMPACT...TRAVEL IN THE PASSES MAY BE DANGEROUS DUE TO ICY ROADS.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

A WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY MEANS THAT PERIODS OF SNOW...SLEET...OR FREEZING RAIN WILL CAUSE TRAVEL DIFFICULTIES. BE PREPARED FOR SLIPPERY ROADS AND LIMITED VISIBILITIES...AND USE CAUTION WHILE DRIVING.
Quoting 112. sar2401:

It's probably already happening. Since drones are freely available, are not closely regulated, and work so well, I can't imagine a better surveillance tool. Terrorists are pretty quick to use technology to further their aims.


Unfortunately, I could easily see a drone fly into a football stadium or something similar with very bad intentions.

On the weather note, it's still raining!! We need it here. Everything was very dry.
If I am in my bedroom and a drone comes down and looks at me thru the window, can I grab my (legally purchased) AR15 and blow it to smithereens?

Finally the logic behind the forecast.... It's Seattle NWS Discussion time! Here are some key excerpts...

SHORT TERM...THE BIG QUESTION IS HOW A SURFACE LOW OFF THE OREGON COAST WILL DEVELOP AND MOVE TODAY. MODELS HAVE BEEN UNUSUALLY VARIABLE AS THE STORM APPROACHES...BUT THE 12Z RUNS THIS MORNING OF THE NAM AND GFS ARE IN FAIR AGREEMENT. THE LOW...OR EVEN JUST AN OPEN WAVE...WILL DEEPEN SOMEWHAT AND MOVE NORTH NORTHEAST ACROSS NORTHWEST WASHINGTON THIS AFTERNOON. A SMALL AREA OF INTENSE SURFACE PRESSURE GRADIENT WILL MOVE ACROSS THE AREA...GIVING A FEW HOURS OF HIGH WIND TO NEARLY EVERYWHERE.

THE FORECAST AND RECENT UPDATE TO THE WARNING FOLLOW THE UW-WRF 4KM MODEL. THIS SHOWS THE STRONGEST WIND ON THE CENTRAL COAST FOR A FEW HOURS CENTERED AROUND 4 PM. THESE WINDS WILL BE WESTERLIES AND MODEL WINDS PEAK AROUND 50 MPH WITH GUSTS TO 70 MPH. SOUTHERLY WINDS THROUGH PUGET SOUND ARE FORECAST TO INCREASE AROUND 3 PM. HIGH WIND WILL FIRST REACH PIERCE COUNTY...THEN SPREAD TO KING AND SNOHOMISH COUNTIES ABOUT 4 PM. BY 5 PM HIGH WINDS WILL SPREAD TO THE NORTH INTERIOR. THE HIGH WINDS WILL LAST ONLY A FEW HOURS IN THE CENTRAL PUGET SOUND AREA. AROUND 6 PM WESTERLY WINDS WILL INCREASE IN THE STRAIT OF JUAN DE FUCA AND THESE COULD AFFECT THE NORTH INTERIOR FOR A FEW MORE HOURS. IN GENERAL THE WINDS DIMINISH RAPIDLY AFTER 7 PM. THE HIGH WIND WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT FOR MOST OF WESTERN WASHINGTON FROM THIS AFTERNOON THROUGH THIS EVENING. THE WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY ALSO REMAINS IN EFFECT FOR THE CASCADES. THERE HAS BEEN SNOW IN THE PASSES. SNOQUALMIE PASS REPORTS MIXED RAIN AND SNOW BUT THE AIR TEMPERATURE IS ONLY 30 AND THE SURFACE TEMPERATURE IS ONLY 29...IMPLYING FREEZING RAIN IS A POSSIBILITY.

A WEAK UPPER TROUGH WILL BRING MORE SHOWERY WEATHER LATER TONIGHT AND FRIDAY AS IT MOVES WEST ACROSS THE REGION. THE SNOW LEVEL WILL FALL TO AROUND 3500 FT BY FRIDAY MORNING...WITH MAINLY 1 TO 6 INCHES OF NEW SNOW ABOVE THAT LEVEL.

Cliff Mass also has a great blog about the impending wind storm on his PNW Weather Blog.
Back to work, and well driving across the 520 bridge during the peak of the storm (between 4 and 5). Awesome! I should have a wave induced car wash. I'll check in later, provided I have power.

I can't comment on whether or not you can shoot down a drone, but I do know if you fly near the Space Needle the police will come find you.
Quoting 116. aquak9:

If I am in my bedroom and a drone comes down and looks at me thru the window, can I grab my (legally purchased) AR15 and blow it to smithereens?


I would further more it is irresponsible too use the device for such things and the design was not intend for that use but you know humans some are not the brightest in the tool shed therefore they deserve to lose there device
120. bwi
I appreciate all the great books explaining the science of climate change for non-scientists, but my holiday gift recommendation is to take a bit of actual, you know, action. I intend to ride over to my wife's bike shop and buy gift certificates in the hopes of persuading a few colleagues and friends to ride around more and drive less in 2016. If enough people do it, even small changes in lifestyle can make a big difference in CO2 emissions.

Miami, FL
Thu, Dec 3, 5:33 pm EST
... SIGNIFICANT WEATHER ADVISORY FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF FUNNEL CLOUDS AND FREQUENT TO EXCESSIVE LIGHTNING FOR SOUTHEASTERN BROWARD AND NORTHEASTERN MIAMI-DADE COUNTIES UNTIL 615 PM EST...
* AT 533 PM EST... DOPPLER RADAR WAS TRACKING A STRONG THUNDERSTORM WITH ROTATION... CAPABLE OF PRODUCING A FUNNEL CLOUD OVER NORTH MIAMI BEACH... OR NEAR HALLANDALE... MOVING NORTHEAST AT 10 MPH.
* IN ADDITION... FREQUENT TO EXCESSIVE LIGHTNING IS OCCURRING WITH THIS STORM. LIGHTNING IS THE NUMBER ONE WEATHER RELATED KILLER IN FLORIDA. TREES AND OPEN SHELTERS OFFER NO PROTECTION. SEEK SHELTER IN A SAFE BUILDING UNTIL THE STORM PASSES.
* LOCATIONS IMPACTED INCLUDE... HOLLYWOOD... MIRAMAR... MIAMI BEACH... SURFSIDE... HALLANDALE... MIAMI GARDENS... NORTH MIAMI... NORTH MIAMI BEACH... AVENTURA... DANIA BEACH... SUNNY ISLES BEACH... WEST PARK... MIAMI SHORES... RAVENSWOOD ESTATES... GOLDEN GLADES... FORT LAUDERDALE - HOLLYWOOD INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT... OJUS... ESTATES OF FORT LAUDERDALE... PORT EVERGLADES AND SUN LIFE STADIUM.
PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...
THIS ACTIVITY WAS ALSO DEVELOPING IN AN ENVIRONMENT FAVORABLE FOR THE FORMATION OF FUNNEL CLOUDS.
The rain on the FL Peninsula appears to be following model predictions as far as rainfall totals so far, featuring a sharp demarcation line from Lake Okeechobee to the Orlando area. Orlando and points north will likely get hardly any rain whereas rain totals go up substantially for areas the further southeast you go. The wind is starting to pick up a bit here.

There have been quite a number of rainfall events this summer and fall where east and northeast bound convection fizzles out just as it reaches the Orlando area. I have no idea why. At least it is slightly cool.
Interesting to read all your takes on the drone issue, folks. Thank you.

Sideglance to our European weather with wild stuff happening in the north (one stormy low after the other with very low pressure) and boring calm weather for me in central Germany: dry, way too warm, overcast with fog (sunny in mountainous regions though).

Record December snowfall for Reykjavik
Wed 2 Dec 2015 | 13.30 GMT
Residents of Icelandic capital Reykjavik woke up to 42 cm (16.5 inches) of snow this morning - the highest depth of snow in December since records began.
According to the Icelandic Met Office, the previous record was set back in 2011, when snow lay 33 cm (13 inches) deep in Reykjavik on 29 December that year.
The highest ever depth of snow recorded in in Reykjavik was 55 cm (21.5 inches) back in January 1937, and if snows continues to fall on the city, this record might also be broken - and soon.
Now at 42 cm, snow levels in Reykjavik were 32 cm just four days ago on Saturday.


Crazy Weather Coming to South Iceland
Iceland Review, By Vala Hafstad Society about 6 hours ago


Current airmasses in Europe with greenish warm air over its southern and central parts including Germany.


Surface map for tomorrow, showing a big difference of pressure between the systems in Northern Europe/Atlantic and the south.

Etna on Sicily had a picturesque little outbreak yesterday, btw:



Youtube caption: An angry Mount Etna scorches the skies over Sicily with a tremendous eruption. Taken on December 3 by Sicilian photographer Marco Restivo, 29, these incredible pictures show Europe's tallest active volcano spitting fire and sending plumes of smoke into the air. This is the first eruption to reach the surface of Etna's Voragine crater in two years. Snapper Marco used photo editing software to overlap five images to create one single picture which shows volcano lighting under a cloud of dense smoke.
125. beell
Quoting 116. aquak9:

If I am in my bedroom and a drone comes down and looks at me thru the window, can I grab my (legally purchased) AR15 and blow it to smithereens?




I would probably ask my next door neighbor first. Have them move to the other side of the house at least.
Just. Can't. Help. It.

Umm, blog is getting a bit odd lately? Will have bad dreams tonight, I'm afraid, with all those eyes in the sky (and much worse) ;-)


Good night from Europe with this!
Quoting 102. Sfloridacat5:

When the terrorist (or just crazy people) start using drones, then what do we do?

On that gun show (can't remember the name) they made a flying drone machine gun.

Now imagine a drone with some kind of explosive. They better get cracking on the regs AND enforcement means.
Quoting 116. aquak9:

If I am in my bedroom and a drone comes down and looks at me thru the window, can I grab my (legally purchased) AR15 and blow it to smithereens?




A high powered round that misses could cause injury or death to the unintended. I think grabbing the shotgun is a safer approach and more likely to hit. Drones are pretty small and move around. I honestly don't know the purpose of an assault rifle other than a zombie apocalypse.
Its a bit wearying reading about all those people droning on!
Meanwhile we think that small pellet shotguns cartridges might be a way to deal with them.

Huge systems over the north pacific seems to be about the high point of the day. apart from that nothing much seems to be happening for a change. Then again I'm sure Scott will have something to say at some point.

Link
Hurricane season is over. Nothing Im expecting different in Post analyses
Hello everyone

Season tally:

11 Named storms
4 Hurricanes
2 Major Hurricanes


There are several winners to my scorecard this year. However NONE, I repeat NONE worthy of a prize from me. Many got very close to but did not match all those lottery numbers.

I'll pull up the scorecard winners up later.

waves~
@129- I promise you, I do not own a "(legally purchased) AR15"

hummm-deeee hummm...

Indian Summer coming right up...
Quoting 131. MaxWeather:

Hurricane season is over. Nothing Im expecting different in Post analyses
Hello everyone

Season tally:

11 Named storms
4 Hurricanes
2 Major Hurricanes


There are several winners to my scorecard this year. However NONE, I repeat NONE worthy of a prize from me. Many got very close to but did not match all those lottery numbers.

I'll pull up the scorecard winners up later.

waves~
good to see ya max I would like too see a final score I was checking out the card myself just the other day I had a total of 14 named but only 11 showed up still not bad was off by 3
Quoting 102. Sfloridacat5:

When the terrorist (or just crazy people) start using drones, then what do we do?

On that gun show (can't remember the name) they made a flying drone machine gun.

Just ran across a news item today about the growing problem of drone deliveries of drugs and cellphones to inmates inside prisons. They better get a handle on this before the deliveries of deadly weapons begin.
Apologies for keeping droning on about this thing but there is probably some sort of market for a type of Taser thing to deal with these drone things?
A while ago some people actually placed one in the square outside my house and then launched it to do a fly around of the local church and castle.
The heavily armed local police stood and watched as if they were amused by it all.
I stood by and watched the whole event unfolding.

Is there not some sort of aviation laws about operating these things without proper training?
Sort of a bit like these driver less cars. probably a good gimmick until something goes badly wrong? ( Do they have registration plates and micro chips to identify the operators?) Then again a lot of things go badly wrong with things operated by humans.
What the heck is is that in the last image from the Pt.Arena buoy?? At first glance, I thought it might be a waterspout, but close-up, it's got to be something else. But what?

http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/images/buoycam/Z19A_2015 _12_03_2215.jpg

(Sorry, I haven't found a good way to make a jpg into a gif.)
Quoting 135. BayFog:


Just ran across a news item today about the growing problem of drone deliveries of drugs and cellphones to inmates inside prisons. They better get a handle on this before the deliveries of deadly weapons begin.

Probably already have!
Anybody looked up what Mosad are keeping tabs on over near the Gaza Strip.

These drone things must be a drug lords Godsend. no road blocks up there.
Quoting 134. KEEPEROFTHEGATE:

good to see ya max I would like too see a final score I was checking out the card myself just the other day I had a total of 14 named but only 11 showed up still not bad was off by 3


Yeah, I was at 14/4/2.

Link

Quoting 133. PedleyCA:


Indian Summer coming right up...

Now then Ped. you know we are only 17 days from mid winters day?
PS 23/C here in our zone today as well!
Quoting 137. BayFog:

What the heck is is that in the last image from the Pt.Arena buoy?? At first glance, I thought it might be a waterspout, but close-up, it's got to be something else. But what?

http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/images/buoycam/Z19A_2015 _12_03_2215.jpg

(Sorry, I haven't found a good way to make a jpg into a gif.)
In the fifth panel, I see a partial rainbow. In the sixth panel, I see only a smudge on the lens, perhaps a water droplet...
Looks to me like a tie between Haole & Allan.

Edit: & Geartsts. Re-Edit-And... AreadersinceWilma
Quoting 139. ChillinInTheKeys:



Yeah, I was at 14/4/2.

Link




!2/4 and 2 for me. Frankly amazed I came that close.
145. beell
Quoting 136. PlazaRed:

Apologies for keeping droning on about this thing but there is probably some sort of market for a type of Taser thing to deal with these drone things?
A while ago some people actually placed one in the square outside my house and then launched it to do a fly around of the local church and castle.
The heavily armed local police stood and watched as if they were amused by it all.
I stood by and watched the whole event unfolding.

Is there not some sort of aviation laws about operating these things without proper training?
Sort of a bit like these driver less cars. probably a good gimmick until something goes badly wrong? ( Do they have registration plates and micro chips to identify the operators?) Then again a lot of things go badly wrong with things operated by humans.


Just for you, PR.

Link

Quoting 116. aquak9:

If I am in my bedroom and a drone comes down and looks at me thru the window, can I grab my (legally purchased) AR15 and blow it to smithereens?


No, but you could sic your catcopter on it...
Is there anyway to upload a photo from my phone on here? 
Quoting 143. ChillinInTheKeys:

Looks to me like a tie between Haole & Allan.

Edit: & Geartsts. Re-Edit-And... AreadersinceWilma
I wasn't even close. Interesting to see how many names on that list we don't see much, if at all, here now.
Quoting 147. SecretStormNerd:

Is there anyway to upload a photo from my phone on here?
I never tried it from my phone. If you get to the site using the normal (not mobile) site, see if this method will work on a phone. You can still save your photo to something like Flickr and use the link to upload a photo as well.
Quoting 142. Neapolitan:

In the fifth panel, I see a partial rainbow. In the sixth panel, I see only a smudge on the lens, perhaps a water droplet...

Unfortunately it's not there anymore. But I don't think it was a droplet. I'm thinking now it might have been a flock of sea birds. I did see the rainbow in the previous frame too. Pretty neat.
Quoting 148. sar2401:

I wasn't even close. Interesting to see how many names on that list we don't see much, if at all, here now.


Most are here in the shadows...
Quoting 138. PlazaRed:


Probably already have!
Anybody looked up what Mosad are keeping tabs on over near the Gaza Strip.

These drone things must be a drug lords Godsend. no road blocks up there.
Except they can't fly more than about a mile from the transmitter, so that pretty much reduces their usefulness. Of course, if they have direct access to satellite technology like the Mossad, then the sky is the limit. :-)
Quoting 136. PlazaRed:

Apologies for keeping droning on about this thing but there is probably some sort of market for a type of Taser thing to deal with these drone things?
A while ago some people actually placed one in the square outside my house and then launched it to do a fly around of the local church and castle.
The heavily armed local police stood and watched as if they were amused by it all.
I stood by and watched the whole event unfolding.

Is there not some sort of aviation laws about operating these things without proper training?
Sort of a bit like these driver less cars. probably a good gimmick until something goes badly wrong? ( Do they have registration plates and micro chips to identify the operators?) Then again a lot of things go badly wrong with things operated by humans.
I posted a link earlier to a proposal up for public comment from the FAA that would require registration. There's nothing about training, nor is any required now. If the registration proposal should become law, an operator would be required to have the registration number painted on the drone someplace. How and where would have to be worked out. In real life, with hundreds of thousands of those things already flying around, any requirement to register drones already flying would be unenforceable and a waste of time. The only way I can see registration working is to require it at the time of sale with something like a microchip in the drone. Then you run into the problem of what to do when someone sells one to another party, how it gets reregistered, what happens if it doesn't...by the time we're done, we will have created another bureaucracy like the Department of Motor Vehicles, but for drones.
I put down 9-4-1 for the weather contest and he entered in 9-4-2. I sent a couple wundermails and comments to him but he never did correct it.
Quoting 126. aquak9:
Just. Can't. Help. It.

I posted that [without the text] when it first came out and had 11 plusses in 15 minutes or so. Then ... They ... deleted the comment. Pffphftpftpftpt.

It ain't fair! It ain't fair!
Quoting 116. aquak9:
If I am in my bedroom and a drone comes down and looks at me thru the window, can I grab my (legally purchased) AR15 and blow it to smithereens?
I'd go with what Dick Cheney used.
Civilians,

.....sheeesh'


I thought all the rain was supposed to be all in south Florida? The rain as been training non-stop since 4:00 pm here in Melbourne, looks like more to come over night.
The mounting economic toll of the record rainfall in Chennai

As the rains continue to fall on the southern Indian city of Chennai, so do the records. Dec. 3 was the wettest December day for the city in over 100 years. The weather and subsequent flooding have already claimed 270 lives, disrupted electricity and phone service in many areas, and forced the city’s airport to shut. And Chennai is expected to receive more rain over the next 48 hours.

The weeks of unprecedented rainfall have also been wreaking havoc with the local economy, which is home to outposts for multinational companies ranging from BMW and Ford Motor Co. to Tata Consultancy Services and IBM.


An industry lobby, Associated Chambers of Commerce of India, estimates the overall economic loss from the flooding at over Rs15,000 crore ($2.25 billion).
Quoting 155. bappit:

I posted that [without the text] when it first came out and had 11 plusses in 15 minutes or so. Then ... They ... deleted the comment. Pffphftpftpftpt.

It ain't fair! It ain't fair!


Somewhere PETA is not smiling. As for the cat, chasing birds in the air, now that's a Christmas present!
AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MIAMI FL
659 PM EST THU DEC 3 2015

.UPDATE...

FLOOD WATCH WAS ISSUED FOR ALL OF MIAMI-DADE AND BROWARD COUNTIES.
HEAVY RAINFALL IS EXPECTED WITH SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS NOW
MOVING NORTHEAST THIS EVENING. ADDITIONAL HEAVY RAIN WILL DEVELOP
OVERNIGHT AND THROUGH FRIDAY NIGHT ACROSS OF ALL OF SOUTH FLORIDA,
WHICH WILL EXACERBATE CONDITIONS, AS A STALLING COLD FRONT
INTERACTS WITH DEEP TROPICAL MOISTURE. THE FLOOD WATCH MAY NEED TO
BE EXPANDED NORTH AND WEST WITH FUTURE UPDATES.
Quoting 160. DeepSeaRising:



Somewhere PETA is not smiling. As for the cat, chasing birds in the air, now that's a Christmas present!


The Cat was called Orville and he was dead before he learned to fly.
Catcopter: Dutch artist turns his dead pet into a helicopter
Quoting 131. MaxWeather:

Hurricane season is over. Nothing Im expecting different in Post analyses
Hello everyone

Season tally:

11 Named storms
4 Hurricanes
2 Major Hurricanes


There are several winners to my scorecard this year. However NONE, I repeat NONE worthy of a prize from me. Many got very close to but did not match all those lottery numbers.

I'll pull up the scorecard winners up later.

waves~
O_o
Amazon rainforest UNDER THREAT: El Nino fans forest fires into DEVASTATING infernos

Images of orangutans escaping the flames and thousands of people suffering the effects of smoke have exposed the catastrophic environment disaster unfolding in the Far East.

British scientists today show how the climatic conditions blamed for setting Borneo ablaze are at work in the planet’s greatest rainforest.

Erika Berenguer, a senior research associate from the Lancaster Environment Centre, has posted a graphic dispatch about this year’s Amazon forest fires.

She tells how satellite images show there were 18,716 fires in the Brazilian Amazon last month and that 12 cities across the region have declared a state of emergency because of the smoke clouds.

The scientist, attached to Lancaster University, is investigating the fires around Santarém, a city on the south bank of the Amazon and 500 miles from the sea.

“For the past five weeks we have woken up under a thick veil of smoke,” she writes. “For days we are barely able to see the sun. On many days last week visibility was less than 50 metres and the sun, once yellow, would rise red – if at all.

“Even our clothes and our hair smell constantly of smoke. We have been living in the middle of a 24-hour barbecue in the middle of the world’s largest tropical forest.”


Link
Quoting 129. wartsttocs:



A high powered round that misses could cause injury or death to the unintended. I think grabbing the shotgun is a safer approach and more likely to hit. Drones are pretty small and move around. I honestly don't know the purpose of an assault rifle other than a zombie apocalypse.
Target practice, predator hunting, self defense, 2nd amendment. Need more?
Quoting 154. weathergirl2001:

I put down 9-4-1 for the weather contest and he entered in 9-4-2. I sent a couple wundermails and comments to him but he never did correct it.
Someone stole my identity and posted 8-2-1. The real me, OTOH, was going to forecast 11-4-2, based on stealing all of Webberweather's numbers. Whoever did this dastardly deed (I suspect it was either DeepSea or vis0, trying to make me look bad) gave me back my identity when they were done but, still, that was pretty mean. I wrote Max about this a couple of times and he just LOL'ed me. Sometimes the customer service around here stinks.


Hey, when I was a kid, our toy hobby aircraft went in one direction: around.

Not only that, but while it was going around, you could make it go up .. AND down. Oh yeah, those were the days.
Quoting 129. wartsttocs:



A high powered round that misses could cause injury or death to the unintended. I think grabbing the shotgun is a safer approach and more likely to hit. Drones are pretty small and move around. I honestly don't know the purpose of an assault rifle other than a zombie apocalypse.
Quoting 101. sar2401:

I still have that exact model, even down to the wavy wood edges. I got it at a yard sale for a buck. It's one of the real old ones, with aluminum bodies on the gauges and real glass faces. It was my first commercial "weather station" when I was a kid, so it has to be from the late 50's. I was amazed to see one still in one piece, and still in such good shape. Everything still works. I got my first one for Christmas way back when. It still ranks as one of my best Christmas presents. :-)
Quoting 129. wartsttocs:



A high powered round that misses could cause injury or death to the unintended. I think grabbing the shotgun is a safer approach and more likely to hit. Drones are pretty small and move around. I honestly don't know the purpose of an assault rifle other than a zombie apocalypse.
How bout protection from the climate change induced terrorism?
Quoting 170. Kenfa03:

How bout protection from the climate change induced terrorism?

How 'bout protection from militant, deliberate ignorance?
Good news: I'm still taking my GED.

Bad news: Due to this persistent influenza-type stuff I have that won't go away, I had to reschedule it until January.
Quoting 172. KoritheMan:

Good news: I'm still taking my GED.

Bad news: Due to this persistent influenza-type stuff I have that won't go away, I had to reschedule it until January.

Good luck with the GED and sorry to hear about the influenza yuck. Was you illness named?
Quoting 173. marynell:


Good luck with the GED and sorry to hear about the influenza yuck. Was you illness named?


I actually don't know what I have, and I'm smarter than to self-diagnose. I DO know it's not a cold, though. Symptoms more resemble the flu. That's all I can say without delving into ignorance, lol.
Quoting 169. Mediarologist:



Hey, when I was a kid, our toy hobby aircraft went in one direction: around.

Not only that, but while it was going around, you could make it go up .. AND down. Oh yeah, those were the days.



I remember these and was sad to see the market for them has disappeared, at least the .049 engine ones. Cox itself was sold in 2005 or so and stopped making them. Cheap RC has driven out control line planes but I got very good with them as a kid in 1971-2 doing inside loops and flying upside down. And if your engine wouldn't start.. I was the kid you went to to fix it if it could be fixed. I also had a trainer design that could consistently survive 50mph crashes into turf (not asphalt). The engines and propellers though couldn't take those stresses but I boiled the nylon propellers to make them more flexible reducing replacement cost.
Now this is my kinda blog .... shopping, and a sale, too!

LOL ...

Evening all....
Quoting 153. sar2401:

I posted a link earlier to a proposal up for public comment from the FAA that would require registration. There's nothing about training, nor is any required now. If the registration proposal should become law, an operator would be required to have the registration number painted on the drone someplace. How and where would have to be worked out. In real life, with hundreds of thousands of those things already flying around, any requirement to register drones already flying would be unenforceable and a waste of time. The only way I can see registration working is to require it at the time of sale with something like a microchip in the drone. Then you run into the problem of what to do when someone sells one to another party, how it gets reregistered, what happens if it doesn't...by the time we're done, we will have created another bureaucracy like the Department of Motor Vehicles, but for drones.


DOD (department of Drones.. ooops Taken!!)
Quoting 104. AreadersinceWilma:

Pouring "can't see across the street" rain here on Calle Ocho near the Palmetto Expressway intersection in Miami.

Think that when I get home later this evening I will dig out my old copy of "The Manchurian Candidate" in case the football game gets boring.
This is why ....



Looks like I may need an umbrella, or maybe even a boat, to get to work tomorrow .... lol ...
Quoting 174. KoritheMan:



I actually don't know what I have, and I'm smarter than to self-diagnose. I DO know it's not a cold, though. Symptoms more resemble the flu. That's all I can say without delving into ignorance, lol.


It goes without saying (so of course I'll say it] flulike symptoms warrant a visit to the doctor. There is some nasty stuff that starts with flulike symptoms. I'm not a doctor and won't guess what it could be.
Quoting 160. DeepSeaRising:



Somewhere PETA is not smiling. As for the cat, chasing birds in the air, now that's a Christmas present!


Not for the birds.
Quoting 131. MaxWeather:

Hurricane season is over. Nothing Im expecting different in Post analyses
Hello everyone

Season tally:

11 Named storms
4 Hurricanes
2 Major Hurricanes


There are several winners to my scorecard this year. However NONE, I repeat NONE worthy of a prize from me. Many got very close to but did not match all those lottery numbers.

I'll pull up the scorecard winners up later.

waves~
Hey, Max .... thought about you yesterday. I'm pretty sure I came close, and may even have matched one category, but I think I was one too high and one too low on each of the others ...

I'll be interested to see who came closest.
I had the Cox Fokker Biplane or possibly Triplane. It was fun but expensive hobby for a kid too young to work.

Quoting 175. georgevandenberghe:



I remember these and was sad to see the market for them has disappeared, at least the .049 engine ones. Cox itself was sold in 2005 or so and stopped making them. Cheap RC has driven out control line planes but I got very good with them as a kid in 1971-2 doing inside loops and flying upside down. And if your engine wouldn't start.. I was the kid you went to to fix it if it could be fixed. I also had a trainer design that could consistently survive 50mph crashes into turf (not asphalt). The engines and propellers though couldn't take those stresses but I boiled the nylon propellers to make them more flexible reducing replacement cost.
Quoting 139. ChillinInTheKeys:



Yeah, I was at 14/4/2.

Link


A couple of people were only off by +1 in the hurricane category. Not bad, considering this was a relatively anomalous year for the ATL under el nino conditions ....
Quoting 161. Grothar:


Looks like Grand Bahama is going to get soused overnight .....
Quoting 172. KoritheMan:

Good news: I'm still taking my GED.

Bad news: Due to this persistent influenza-type stuff I have that won't go away, I had to reschedule it until January.
There's been something going around here too .... some flu like something that lingers, and lingers, and .....

It's a coughing thing that just won't quit for weeks after one would normally expect it to be over. Somebody I know has been having problems since September. It just never quite goes away. I'm sure the current wx is not overly helpful in your quest to kick whatever it is that's hanging on.

Maybe I should send you some cerassee bush to make tea with. Apparently that works to [ahem] clear you out.....
Quoting 106. sar2401:

Not hard to tell the company is headquartered in France when you bring up that map. :-) How and where did you mount the sensor? How long have you had it? How's battery life so far? The ultrasonic wind gauge looks like a really interesting idea, but I'm enough of a Luddite to not want my only option to view the weather is through the cloud...so to speak.

The OA T/Rh sensor is mounted by its slot to a screw on the breezeway wall on the n. side of the house.

I've had it 2+ years.

I don't have a wind gauge. Too many trees all around my house for accuracy.

I like the fact that you can calibrate the two T, two RH, pressure and CO2 sensors. Since I got them calibrated they have been quite accurate--except for the CO2 sensor. It requires periodic re-calibration, but that is normal for such devices.
Quoting 185. BahaHurican:

There's been something going around here too .... some flu like something that lingers, and lingers, and .....

It's a coughing thing that just won't quit for weeks after one would normally expect it to be over. Somebody I know has been having problems since September. It just never quite goes away. I'm sure the current wx is not overly helpful in your quest to kick whatever it is that's hanging on.

Maybe I should send you some cerassee bush to make tea with. Apparently that works to [ahem] clear you out.....

I've had the same thing, lasts forever, and I'm still not sure it's completely gone.
Quoting 172. KoritheMan:

Good news: I'm still taking my GED.

Bad news: Due to this persistent influenza-type stuff I have that won't go away, I had to reschedule it until January.

Our county in TX has a group of volunteer doctors and nurses that man a huge RV converted into a mobile clinic, called Mission of Mercy. The RV has I believe two days each week scheduled at certain locations. They do not charge a fee. Maybe your county has something similar, probably not mobile?
This El-Nino pattern is in full effect across FL. Tremendous amounts of rain over the next several weeks across FL. We may need a boat soon if this keeps up on the models.

Cheerful 1921 newspaper supplement advertising farmland in Florida. Some of the writeup is pure hokum. It says that New England has 16 million people. In reality, New England had 7.4 million people counted in the 1920 census, and the 2014 estimate is 14.68 million.

Big storm across FL mid next week and another one a few days later as everything is cutting under this big high over New England/Canada. #Super El-Nino

Quoting 182. HaoleboySurfEC:

I had the Cox Fokker Biplane or possibly Triplane. It was fun but expensive hobby for a kid too young to work.



I remember a biplane or triplane too but it was plastic, not as tough as what I built. But it was very maneuverable

Quoting 172. KoritheMan:

Good news: I'm still taking my GED.

Bad news: Due to this persistent influenza-type stuff I have that won't go away, I had to reschedule it until January.


Stay strong man, there's a lot of weird things going around. I just had 2 weeks in a row of just severe throat irritation. I rarely go in to get things medically checked unless potentially serious, and this was one of them. Mainly because I was getting terribly low on sleep as a result, that and how long it lasted. Normally viruses only last a few days for me as I usually power them out with sleep aids and super foods.

With that said, I'm glad I decided to see a physician as it was getting out of hand. I found out I had some sort of air borne bacterial infection that was in in the throat, the physician said I likely got it from being in public due to someone who had poor hygiene that dispersed it(gross). At any rate, he gave my a mild antibiotic and some throat irritation meds, and the results have been dramatic improvement in just 2 days, to where I've now fully recovered.
Quoting 195. Jedkins01:



Stay strong man, there's a lot of weird things going around. I just had 2 weeks in a row of just severe throat irritation. I rarely go in to get things medically checked unless potentially serious, and this was one of them. Mainly because I was getting terribly low on sleep as a result, that and how long it lasted. Normally viruses only last a few days for me as I usually power them out with sleep aids and super foods.

With that said, I'm glad I decided to see a physician as it was getting out of hand. I found out I had some sort of air borne bacterial infection that was in in the throat, the physician said I likely got it from being in public due to someone who had poor hygiene that dispersed it(gross). At any rate, he gave my a mild antibiotic and some throat irritation meds, and the results have been dramatic improvement in just 2 days, to where I've now fully recovered.


Boy the 0Z GFS going gang busters by sending storm after storm across FL nearly every 2 to 3 days. Just insane and Melbourne is close to breaking a Daily Record for rain when all the rain was predicted or S FL and not C FL. Sarasota to Melbourne has seen 1" to 2.5" so far.
Quoting 182. HaoleboySurfEC:

I had the Cox Fokker Biplane or possibly Triplane. It was fun but expensive hobby for a kid too young to work.




I was able to support this hobby mowing lawns when I was 13 and 14. Primary cost was fuel and the occasional new plane after too many of those 50mph crashes.
People... please don't post the huge scorecard here on the site.
Apologies if I misplaced someone's numbers. I won't change anything because there was a 4 month window for you to notify me (From Feb the nI started to June). I can't go after anyone really, it's not cool.

Also SouthTampa (going for 8-4-1), a blogger NOT listed in the chart will be added on later as well. One of the hurricane winners.

Poor TylerStanfield listed for 87 named storms! Sorry, that is supposed to be 7 named storms, 4H, 1 MH.
I'm aware of this error. Also a hurricane winner.

There are 158 total. Thanks!
If anything please wu-mail me or drop a comment on my blog, don't deviate for the blogs main topic here.
Thanks!

Quoting 181. BahaHurican:

Hey, Max .... thought about you yesterday. I'm pretty sure I came close, and may even have matched one category, but I think I was one too high and one too low on each of the others ...

I'll be interested to see who came closest.

If you match one, at least one Baha then you will be in my winner list.
I have to check everyone and proof check afterwards :)

Thanks bud!
Quoting 139. ChillinInTheKeys:



Yeah, I was at 14/4/2.

Link




I didn't do bad at all this year
11 named
5 hurricane
3 major hurricane
Quoting 185. BahaHurican:

There's been something going around here too .... some flu like something that lingers, and lingers, and .....

It's a coughing thing that just won't quit for weeks after one would normally expect it to be over. Somebody I know has been having problems since September. It just never quite goes away. I'm sure the current wx is not overly helpful in your quest to kick whatever it is that's hanging on.

Maybe I should send you some cerassee bush to make tea with. Apparently that works to [ahem] clear you out.....


Well, I'm in the UK, and my daughter, who is normally quite resistant to viruses, only just now has 'mostly' gotten over a persistant cough...after like 4 months. I could have taken her to the Dr, but being she has had absolutely no other symptoms, I know they would just say to let it ride out and not waste their time. But, it has lasted SO long. And when she gets a cold, it's normally over in less than a week. If it was me, I'd not have thought a thing, as i do hang onto things long. I really don't know what it's about, as have seen many people have the same problem, but even those who went to a Dr, get no help and no real diagnosis. Odd thing it is. And I haven't had it myself yet, and I usually catch any virus around!
If you're going to be flying drones please do it responsibly. There was a recent story in the news about a 3 year old boy in England who lost an eye when an out of control drone crashed into him. Best to fly them where there aren't a lot of people or obstructions around.
Quoting 28. RitaEvac:

Who has solar anemometer on their PWS? I don't trust that, seems like if it's cloudy for a long few days your gonna lose a reading for wind. Plus for people up north with shorter days in winter.

It's a misnomer to believe solar cells don't produce power when it's cloudy. They do, just not as much. If the solar array is properly sized compared to the batteries cloudy or short days shouldn't be that much of a problem.
Yeh, I've been using a Davis Vantage Pro 2 for about 5 years now, and all it's instruments are 100% solar powered. But it has a CR123 lithium cell as a backup. I haven't ever lost signal from it due to cloudy days, nor has it used up that backup battery.

The plastic housing is starting to come apart though because of the Florida sun beating down on it. Trying to protect it from further deterioration with Krylon Fusion paint, but it seems like it might be a losing battle. I think I'll paint my next unit when it's new to get a head start against the sun.
Actually, checking it's logs, I see that I've been using the Vantage Pro 2 for 7 years now.
Miami is up to 3.38" of rain for the first four days of December.
We picked up just under 2" here just south of Fort Myers yesterday.
wanna save some carbon? hang your laundry to dry outside. no one in our neighborhood except us takes advantage of the suns power. we have saved thousands because of it over the past 20 yrs
Quoting 205. Sfloridacat5:

Miami is up to 3.38" of rain for the first four days of December.
We picked up just under 2" here just south of Fort Myers yesterday.



Zero up here in Tampa. You are make up quite well from the drought.
Quoting 175. georgevandenberghe:



I remember these and was sad to see the market for them has disappeared, at least the .049 engine ones. Cox itself was sold in 2005 or so and stopped making them. Cheap RC has driven out control line planes but I got very good with them as a kid in 1971-2 doing inside loops and flying upside down. And if your engine wouldn't start.. I was the kid you went to to fix it if it could be fixed. I also had a trainer design that could consistently survive 50mph crashes into turf (not asphalt). The engines and propellers though couldn't take those stresses but I boiled the nylon propellers to make them more flexible reducing replacement cost.


We used to stand back-to-back and get two of them flying, and then have dogfights while trying not to get the control wires tangled. We used crepe streamers which we tried to cut off with our propellers. Sometimes we ended-up cutting off the other's tail wing (elevator) and we had a repair shop (with balsa wood and fast drying glue) in the garage. We spent as much time making repairs as we spent flying. I had a paper route to help pay for everything.
Quoting 205. Sfloridacat5:

Miami is up to 3.38" of rain for the first four days of December.
We picked up just under 2" here just south of Fort Myers yesterday.

A whopping 0.22" here yesterday in North Naples. Oh, well...
From the NWS here in Melbourne, heavy rains here this morning. Looks like next week is going to be wet as well.



TUE-THU...
FAST MID-UPPER FLOW WILL CONTINUE...WHICH PREVENTS THE OMNIPRESENT
OCT-NOV ATLC RIDGE FROM SIGNIFICANTLY RE-ESTABLISHING ITSELF.
PERHAPS THIS IS A HARBINGER OF A GRADUAL CHANGE TO A MORE "NINO-
ESQUE" WINTER-TIME REGIME - WE SHALL SEE. IN ANY EVENT...FROM WED
ONWARD THE MODEL SOLUTIONS ARE WILDLY DIVERGENT...A COMMON EVENT
DURING WINTERTIME FAST/ZONAL FLOW REGIMES. WITHOUT GETTING INTO
SPECIFIC MODEL DETAILS THAT ARE SURE TO CHANGE...HIGH PRES TO THE
NORTH RETREATS BEGINNING TUE NIGHT AHEAD OF FAST MOVING SHORT WAVE
ENERGY...WHICH SHOULD SPELL A MORE UNSETTLED PATTERN AND INCREASING
RAIN CHCS FROM MID-LATE WEEK WITH MILD TO MARGINALLY WARM TEMPS.
211. MahFL
Quoting 201. riverat544:

If you're going to be flying drones please do it responsibly. There was a recent story in the news about a 3 year old boy in England who lost an eye when an out of control drone crashed into him. Best to fly them where there aren't a lot of people or obstructions around.


Yer but as luck would have it you can be the only;y person in 500 yards and the darn drone will crash into you...
This El-Nino is going to have a lot of staying power. No weakening of this El-Nino anytime soon with a series of WWB the next 2 to 3 months.

213. MahFL
Quoting 126. aquak9:

Just. Can't. Help. It.




Most people don't realize that song by Sting is about a man stalking his ex girlfriend, most think it's about him admiring his current girlfriend.
I used to live in the town where Sting was born.
Quoting 205. Sfloridacat5:

Miami is up to 3.38" of rain for the first four days of December.
We picked up just under 2" here just south of Fort Myers yesterday.



Melbourne is nearing 2" now as well. Sarasota picked up 1.5". Not much here just enough to wet the street but we have picked up some good rains here in Longwood this month as well.
Quoting 210. hurricanewatcher61:

From the NWS here in Melbourne, heavy rains here this morning. Looks like next week is going to be wet as well.



TUE-THU...
FAST MID-UPPER FLOW WILL CONTINUE...WHICH PREVENTS THE OMNIPRESENT
OCT-NOV ATLC RIDGE FROM SIGNIFICANTLY RE-ESTABLISHING ITSELF.
PERHAPS THIS IS A HARBINGER OF A GRADUAL CHANGE TO A MORE "NINO-
ESQUE" WINTER-TIME REGIME - WE SHALL SEE. IN ANY EVENT...FROM WED
ONWARD THE MODEL SOLUTIONS ARE WILDLY DIVERGENT...A COMMON EVENT
DURING WINTERTIME FAST/ZONAL FLOW REGIMES. WITHOUT GETTING INTO
SPECIFIC MODEL DETAILS THAT ARE SURE TO CHANGE...HIGH PRES TO THE
NORTH RETREATS BEGINNING TUE NIGHT AHEAD OF FAST MOVING SHORT WAVE
ENERGY...WHICH SHOULD SPELL A MORE UNSETTLED PATTERN AND INCREASING
RAIN CHCS FROM MID-LATE WEEK WITH MILD TO MARGINALLY WARM TEMPS.



No question this El-Nino pattern is really whipping into gear. GFS has storms coming across FL nearly every 2 days. Crazy!
Going to be interesting that's for sure!
Quoting 215. StormTrackerScott:



No question this El-Nino pattern is really whipping into gear. GFS has storms coming across FL nearly every 2 days. Crazy!
217. MahFL
Quoting 192. BaltimoreBrian:

Cheerful 1921 newspaper supplement advertising farmland in Florida. Some of the writeup is pure hokum.


It sure is, there is no way you can describe August and September weather in Florida as quite delightful.
Strong WWB ongoing near 170W. Its possible El-Nino may strengthen even further over the coming weeks. This looks like a once and a lifetime El-Nino event.

Quoting 168. sar2401:

Someone stole my identity and posted 8-2-1. The real me, OTOH, was going to forecast 11-4-2, based on stealing all of Webberweather's numbers. Whoever did this dastardly deed (I suspect it was either DeepSea or vis0, trying to make me look bad) gave me back my identity when they were done but, still, that was pretty mean. I wrote Max about this a couple of times and he just LOL'ed me. Sometimes the customer service around here stinks.


9-2-1 here.
220. MahFL
Quoting 206. islander101010:

wanna save some carbon? hang your laundry to dry outside. no one in our neighborhood except us takes advantage of the suns power. we have saved thousands because of it over the past 20 yrs


Many Housing Associations in the USA do not allow laundry to be hung outside.
Quoting 216. hurricanewatcher61:

Going to be interesting that's for sure!


You guys stay safe over in Brevard County as there is a potential of heavy training rains across your area Sunday into Monday possibly extending to Orlando but models are all over the place on that solution.
Quoting 220. MahFL:



Many Housing Associations in the USA do not allow laundry to be hung outside.

That country flabbergasts me every day.
Quoting 218. StormTrackerScott:

Strong WWB ongoing near 160W. Its possible El-Nino may strengthen even further over the coming weeks. This looks like a once and a lifetime El-Nino event.



You mean, one that would be a normal El Niño in about two decades?
Just like 1997-98 is getting 'normalized' this year.

El Niño is a temperature anomaly measure. So progressing AGW will heighten those anomalies. It might well be that this year's Niño is still weaker than 1997-98 on subtracting the trend.

Anyway, sf becoming reality today, we have arrived in freak territory.
Eric Blake ‏@EricBlake12 1h1 hour ago

#Miami has already had about 5 inches of rain this month (and still raining!)-- up to ~#6 for Dec record @JimCantore
Quoting 224. Grothar:




Looks like Miami is heading for a December rainfall record
227. MahFL
Quoting 222. cRRKampen:


That country flabbergasts me every day.


The USA is a young country, they are having gowning pains.
ST. Johns River Basin received a lot of rain last night. Water levels really haven't dropped much over @ Lake Monroe in Sanford as it has been quite wet the last couple of weeks so with all this rain in Brevard County we should see the river rise further north over the next couple of weeks.
Quoting 186. AdamReith:


The OA T/Rh sensor is mounted by its slot to a screw on the breezeway wall on the n. side of the house.

I've had it 2 years.

I don't have a wind gauge. Too many trees all around my house for accuracy.

I like the fact that you can calibrate the two T, two RH, pressure and CO2 sensors. Since I got them calibrated they have been quite accurate--except for the CO2 sensor. It requires periodic re-calibration, but that is normal for such devices.
Sounds nice. Does the temperature sensor have any kind of solar shield or is it up to you to find the right exposure? Being able to adjust the sensor readings is a big plus. Very few other stations allow that. The ultrasonic wind gauge isn't actually for sale yet, so I assume it's still being developed. The details at the Netatmo site are pretty vague about how it will work, and it says nothing about if the sensor will also give wind direction. If it really works, an ultrasonic wind gauge would eliminate the biggest point of failure in wind reading, the anemometer wind cups. The whole way the sensor is constructed should also have a lot better wind resistance. I hope they can develop a good unit at a reasonable price for us poor folks. :-)
Quoting 220. MahFL:



Many Housing Associations in the USA do not allow laundry to be hung outside.
One of the reasons why I bought my house is that there's no homeowner's association to come up with stupid rules. The neighbors here all know each other. If someone was doing something that really lowered the property values, peer pressure would do a better job than threats from an HOA. We have a good live and let live attitude. I put up my ham radio antennas toward the back of the property, where they don't stick out like a sore thumb, but my neighbors understand that, in an emergency, having them would be a good thing for the neighborhood. They are willing to look at them because the good outweighs the bad. People hang out wash in the backyard and no one gets upset about that either. Too bad all neighborhoods aren't like this one.
Quoting 225. StormTrackerScott:

Eric Blake ‏@EricBlake12 1h1 hour ago

#Miami has already had about 5 inches of rain this month (and still raining!)-- up to ~#6 for Dec record @JimCantore



And yet further north we have received nothing. We got it in July and August though.
And this is 3.5 hours old. So the rainfall totals are much higher

RECORD EVENT REPORT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MIAMI, FL
556 AM EST FRI DEC 04 2015

...RECORD DAILY MAXIMUM RAINFALL SET AT MIAMI ALREADY TODAY...

THE RECORD DAILY RAINFALL FOR DEC. 4TH HAS ALREADY BEEN REACHED AT
MIAMI TODAY. SO FAR, 2.31 INCHES OF RAIN HAS BEEN RECORDED AT THE
MIAMI INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT SINCE MIDNIGHT. THIS BREAKS THE RECORD
RAINFALL FOR DECEMBER 4TH...PREVIOUSLY 2.29 INCHES SET IN 1997.
ADDITIONAL RAINFALL WILL OCCUR TODAY WHICH WILL ONLY ADD TO THIS
DAILY TOTAL.
Quoting 220. MahFL:



Many Housing Associations in the USA do not allow laundry to be hung outside.


Mine is one of them however my neighbors across the street have a clothes line strung up in their garage and dry their clothes there.

Cloudy, breezy, and 64 degrees here. Feels nice.
Quoting 227. MahFL:



The USA is a young country, they are having gowning pains.

They're stuck in the Victorian age and display fundamentalism with that.
That was an empire as well, by the way.
Quoting 197. georgevandenberghe:



I was able to support this hobby mowing lawns when I was 13 and 14. Primary cost was fuel and the occasional new plane after too many of those 50mph crashes.
I think I built every Cox balsa wood model they produced, from the Fokker Triplane to the P-51 Mustang. I think I crashed every one of them too. My brother and I got pretty good at patching them up until the weight of all the glue and tape made them not airworthy any longer. We used to fly those .049 engine models from dawn to dusk. You never could get the fuel in the engine without spilling some, and I started more than one model on fire accidentally. I can still remember hearing my mom say "Now you boys don't start yourselves on fire today" as we ran out the door. I wonder if moms today still say the same thing? I kind of doubt it. :-)
Quoting 234. cRRKampen:


They're stuck in the Victorian age and display fundamentalism with that.
That was an empire as well, by the way.
As I recall, the Dutch had quite an empire at one time also. Right up until the end of WWII, when the Dutch decided the cost of empire was no longer worth the price. Amazing how empires like Holland Portugal, and Spain have risen, only to fall over time. I guess that's the path of all empires
Quoting 232. Sfloridacat5:

And this is 3.5 hours old. So the rainfall totals are much higher

RECORD EVENT REPORT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MIAMI, FL
556 AM EST FRI DEC 04 2015

...RECORD DAILY MAXIMUM RAINFALL SET AT MIAMI ALREADY TODAY...

THE RECORD DAILY RAINFALL FOR DEC. 4TH HAS ALREADY BEEN REACHED AT
MIAMI TODAY. SO FAR, 2.31 INCHES OF RAIN HAS BEEN RECORDED AT THE
MIAMI INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT SINCE MIDNIGHT. THIS BREAKS THE RECORD
RAINFALL FOR DECEMBER 4TH...PREVIOUSLY 2.29 INCHES SET IN 1997.
ADDITIONAL RAINFALL WILL OCCUR TODAY WHICH WILL ONLY ADD TO THIS
DAILY TOTAL.
That's good to hear after so much heat and drought down there. At least the ground should be able to soak a lot of that up...or at least as much as coral can soak anything up.
Quoting 231. Bucsboltsfan:



And yet further north we have received nothing. We got it in July and August though.


Sarasota to Melbourne got dumped on last night as heavy rain developed on the stationary front across C FL. However just up the road in Tampa as you said not a drop. Crazy how defined the precip gradient was.


Now that is some bright red!
Dear Santa,
I can explain...
...and, is the drone big enough to carry a Barbie doll?
MIA (Miami International Airport) is now up to 4.74" in the past 24 hours based on Mesonet
I've been running the dj2 + for a year, which is the prior model to what Professor Masters is using. it is a great drone and takes great photos. I've used it to inspect hard to see areas of my house's roof and chimneys to determine if repairs are necessary. a great tool.

it is amazing how much technology is packed into such an affordable device.

I have not broken any propeller blades yet as Professor Masters has done. but neither have I ridden in a C-130 into the eye of Hurricane Hugo like he did and get spotlighted on an episode of Air Disasters on Smithsonian channel. that's a great episode. obviously they survived!
Steve Goddard ‏@SteveSGoddard 1h1 hour ago Boulder, CO

When Rick Perry said in 2011 that "the rains would return to Texas" - climate experts viciously attacked him
.
Quoting 246. StormTrackerScott:

Steve Goddard ‏@SteveSGoddard 1h1 hour ago Boulder, CO

When Rick Perry said in 2011 that "the rains would return to Texas" - climate experts viciously attacked him
.


Are you really posting Steve Goodard, aka Tony Heller climate denier political tweets?

Steve Goddard Desmogblog
Quoting 246. StormTrackerScott:

Steve Goddard %u200F@SteveSGoddard 1h1 hour ago Boulder, CO

When Rick Perry said in 2011 that "the rains would return to Texas" - climate experts viciously attacked him
.

Did he say that? Hm. Days of Prayer .
Didn't find climate experts attacking though. They'd have agreed that the drought ( Spot the outlier ) would pass some day, though of course droughts would become gradually worse in this region.
Incidentally this outlier was a factor in the Arab revolts. Commodity prices exploded as this disaster followed the Ukraine-Russian inferno of 2010.
Quoting 247. Naga5000:



Are you really posting Steve Goodard, aka Tony Heller climate denier political tweets?

Steve Goddard Desmogblog

Religion again.
Quoting 236. sar2401:

As I recall, the Dutch had quite an empire at one time also. Right up until the end of WWII, when the Dutch decided the cost of empire was no longer worth the price. Amazing how empires like Holland Portugal, and Spain have risen, only to fall over time. I guess that's the path of all empires

[snipped off topic commenting. However, thermodynamics and decay is a general thing of nature, could pass here]

"I guess that's the path of all empires." - it is. Buddha's law, all things complex must decay. You could as well say 'that's the path of all countries, careers, living things, icicles, planets...'.
Quoting 237. sar2401:

That's good to hear after so much heat and drought down there. At least the ground should be able to soak a lot of that up...or at least as much as coral can soak anything up.


I think the soils down there tend to be coarse sands. I prefer working with the clays of PA NJ MD and VA.
The red clays of GA and AL are different.. I've never worked them. My part of TLH,south of the city was basically sandy. Northern suburbs had that red clay.
Quoting 246. StormTrackerScott:

Steve Goddard ‏@SteveSGoddard 1h1 hour ago Boulder, CO

When Rick Perry said in 2011 that "the rains would return to Texas" - climate experts viciously attacked him
.


Some friendly advice:
Stay away from the conspiracy crowd. It will only make you lose credibility. This guy accuses NOAA of "fabricating data". Link If you consider him a credible source then all of your El-Nino posts would become moot because the data used is fake.
Quoting 235. sar2401:

I think I built every Cox balsa wood model they produced, from the Fokker Triplane to the P-51 Mustang. I think I crashed every one of them too. My brother and I got pretty good at patching them up until the weight of all the glue and tape made them not airworthy any longer. We used to fly those .049 engine models from dawn to dusk. You never could get the fuel in the engine without spilling some, and I started more than one model on fire accidentally. I can still remember hearing my mom say "Now you boys don't start yourselves on fire today" as we ran out the door. I wonder if moms today still say the same thing? I kind of doubt it. :-)


What bothers me is kids just don't do this stuff today. RC would fill the hobby niche because its cheap
now but you don't see them doing that either. And no kids out in the fields playing football or baseball or basketball in season. When my kids were school age I let them out to play in the neighborhood and this brought out other kids so we had kids playing outside. But when we moved that ended. There were no teens who would just come out and hang out the way we did as teens. There is a lot more screen time and social media. Less actual contact and socialising.
Quoting 258. StormTrackerScott:



Never implied anything other than that the rain has returned to Texas in 2015 when Texas was going thru the worst drought ever in 2011 Climate folks were saying it was because of Climate Change.

Yes. It was. So do the crazy Texas rains of this year.
You wouldn't like Texans to not know what happened when the next, probably worse drought strikes, would you?
WU shopping list was interesting in that there really weren't any recommendations (with one exception) that were in the $200/250 dollar range. To be truly useful, instead of $1,000 drone or $700 weather station how about reviewing less expensive, but good, technology.
Quoting 254. DeepSeaRising:

Per Reuters, though classified sources up in intelligence, female shooter in California terrorist attack pledged allegiance with ISIS. It's time. We need to put the full might of our military to crush this beast.


If only it were that simple. This evil ideology has roots in countries like our allies Saudi Arabia, Pakistan etc...... We cannot bomb our allies. How do we defeat an idea when it grows in places off limits to our military?
Quoting 250. cRRKampen:

.

"I guess that's the path of all empires." - it is. Buddha's law, all things complex must decay. You could as well say 'that's the path of all countries, careers, living things, icicles, planets...'.


Is that the second law of thermodynamics?
Quoting 258. StormTrackerScott:



Never implied anything other than that the rain has returned to Texas in 2015 when Texas was going thru the worst drought ever in 2011 Climate folks were saying it was because of Climate Change.


My friendly advice is/was to stay away from guys like that. Specifically posting their tweets does imply you consider the person a credible source whether you intended it or not.
Quoting 258. StormTrackerScott:



Never implied anything other than that the rain has returned to Texas in 2015 when Texas was going thru the worst drought ever in 2011 Climate folks were saying it was because of Climate Change.


Wait, because the weather pattern changed, it had nothing to do with climate change? Is that your logic here?
NBC news is reporting the female shooter was an ISIS supporter.
Quoting 268. ChiThom:


Is that the second law of thermodynamics?

It is thermodynamics. Absolutely - though I would like to present the idea more as philosophical one than physics.
Darn!

This weather blog has returned to political arguments dominating the page.

QUOTE "When using Dr. Masters' blog, please refrain from posting material not relevant to the discussion of tropical weather, or the topic of the blog entry itself"

Oh well, I guess I will scroll down through the text and stop when I see a weather map or graph. Hopefully things will get back to normal soon.
Quoting 276. Naga5000:



So you want cookies for jumping to conclusions long before the facts were known? That isn't behavior to be rewarded.


I lurk yesterday and while I didn't agree with some of Scott's thinking a lot of people were refuting him stating this was a workplace event or domestic terrorism..So the same can be said for those who were disputing his claim of this being ISIS..

I believe we can all agree this a trying world we live in..you all keep safe and diligent while out this holiday season..
From the poking the dragon file -

Dissecting paleoclimate change

Using a core sample from the Santa Barbara Basin, researchers decipher the history of paleoclimate change with surprising results. For more than a million years, Earth's climate has oscillated from glacial (ice age) to interglacial (warm) -- the latter representing modern conditions. According to the authors, the Santa Barbara Basin holds the most pristine marine record of these fluctuations, thanks in large part to the area's unique location along the California margin. The basin is the confluence of the cool California current from the subpolar region and the warm countercurrent from the tropics................................. The warming associated with the major climatic shift was accompanied by simultaneous releases of methane -- a potent greenhouse gas.

"This particular episode of climate change is closely associated with instability that caused the release of methane from gas hydrates at the ocean floor," Kennett said. "These frozen forms of methane melt when temperatures rise or pressure decreases. Changes in sea level affect the stability of gas hydrates and water temperature even more so.


Link
Forgive and let it go.

“The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong.”

“An eye for eye only ends up making the whole world blind.”

Fighting evil with evil won’t help anyone. And as said in the previous tip, you always choose how to react to something. When you can incorporate such a thought habit more and more into your life then you can react in a way that is more useful to you and others.

You realize that forgiving and letting go of the past will do you and the people in your world a great service. And spending your time in some negative memory won’t help you after you have learned the lessons you can learn from that experience. You’ll probably just cause yourself more suffering and paralyze yourself from taking action in this present moment.

If you don’t forgive then you let the past and another person to control how you feel. By forgiving you release yourself from those bonds. And then you can focus totally on, for instance, the next point.

-Mahatma Gandhi

Fighting violence with violence won't do any good, it will destabilize the world's economies. We can't give in to what ISIS and other terrorist organization wants, which is to fight them back. At some point in time if we leave them alone and do what we need to protect our citizens, their killings will get old, think of it like playing a video game for hours until the end, it will get old after a while until they finally realize what they are doing isn't working anymore. Also, a less violent world will produce a more stable economy and allow for growth. Don't give in and be weak minded, be the stronger person and lead by example.
Quoting 279. Wacahootaman:

Darn!

This weather blog has returned to political arguments dominating the page.

QUOTE "When using Dr. Masters' blog, please refrain from posting material not relevant to the discussion of tropical weather, or the topic of the blog entry itself"

Oh well, I guess I will scroll down through the text and stop when I see a weather map or graph. Hopefully things will get back to normal soon.


Don't worry, the blog will quickly return to its on-going GW debate.
Wow.

Ok.
Quoting 264. wartsttocs:



If only it were that simple. This evil ideology has roots in countries like our allies Saudi Arabia, Pakistan etc...... We cannot bomb our allies. How do we defeat an idea when it grows in places off limits to our military?
Strengthen the minds of our youth, so they don't follow the same path of evil. This means if you follow Christianity, go to Sunday School, if you follow Hinduism, go to Hindu Temple (Mandhir) if you follow Islam go to Masjid (Mosque)....All of the religions in the world can come together to practice and preach and unite as one, that is one of the ways you'll defeat this evil ideaology. Remember, in this world there is more good than bad, but we cannot allow ourselves to give into this bad because we would have turned like them. In fact, we should try to turn the bad into the good, now that is very far reaching, but no one said that this would be easy, but anything is possible.
Awesome Drone!!! ... my friend just got the same one!!
Quoting 288. Sfloridacat5:



Don't worry, the blog will quickly return to its on-going GW debate.

All the posts concerning the San Bernadino event have been removed.
Good Afternoon Folks................And now for the PM discussion:



There is NO debate on CC.

There is the known causative Science, which is solid as a rock,

Then there is Derp from Deniers,..


That is not a debate, that is wanton ignorance by those who can't see past their own filters.

Wait, thought I had said something very profound, but then realized, no, I was looking for that great Xmas present to myself that can hover and capture great bird pictures in the forest just beyond. Took things a bit too far for WU and Christmas shopping for enthusiasts, point taken.
This is Earth Tropical Cyclone Control.

We are at TC-0 today as there are no Tropical Cyclones on the Planet.

Tropical Cyclone Imagery - Storm Floaters

The launch at cape Canaveral has a 30% chance of going as of this morning, any hope of that increasing this afternoon for a launch window opening up at 5:33 eastern?
Just a suggestion, but if folks want to chat and BS on the recent sad events, maybe consider writing a blog on it.

Anyone can and should try to open a blog of their own. It is easy and we have oodles of RAM for them.

Peace.
Quoting 300. mcdsara1:

The launch at cape Canaveral has a 30% chance of going as of this morning, any hope of that increasing this afternoon for a launch window opening up at 5:33 eastern?


In today's first weather briefing to mission managers, all current conditions are observed GO for launch of the Atlas 5 rocket and the odds for the launch window now stand at 40 percent favorable.
Quoting 294. Patrap:

There is NO debate on CC.

There is the known causative Science, which is solid as a rock,

Then there is Derp from Deniers,..


That is not a debate, that is wanton ignorance by those who can't see past their own filters.




You must not have been to a University lately to see students debating the topic.
Moderators here need a raise.
Mods get no pay,..it is a service they do that we should respect more than most do.

Quoting 304. Sfloridacat5:



You must not have been to a University lately to see students debating the topic.


Feel free to post the "debatable" Science to counter the present known causation of the observed warming.

I've spoken at many a event from the Cuban/US Hurricane Conference, to Portlight at various Conferences, from the Christopher and Dana Reeve Foundation PRC Hosting here in 2010.

So yer psychic abilities are lacking as well.


Hate is what got us here, I know love, sweet love, is gonna set us free.
Quoting 307. Patrap:



Feel free to post the "debatable" Science to counter the present known causation of the observed warming.

I've spoken at many a event from the Cuban/US Hurricane conferences here in 2009, to Portlight at various Conferences, from the Christopher and Dana Reeve Foundation PRC Hosting here in 2010.

So yer psychic abilities are lacking as well.






The topic of CC is science. It is a subject frequently debated at all levels of education and in politics.
No one is saying CC isn't happening, but the topic is constantly debated.

Unless you know exactly what the world will look like in 10, 100, 1000 years or more please let us know.
In 10 years the ppm of CO2 will be over 420.

In 10 years the warming will be ongoing, as it is today.

In 10 years the Sea Level will be Higher than today, globally.

In 10 years the atmosphere will be warmer and will hold more Water Vapor.

Anything else?
Well this will make StormTracker Scott happy. It is OFFICIAL THE STRONGEST EL NINO on record. here is the LINK
Quoting 310. Patrap:

In 10 years the ppm of CO2 will be over 420.

In 10 years the warming will be ongoing, as it is today.

In 10 years the Sea Level will be Higher than today, globally.

In 10 years the atmosphere will be warmer and will hold more Water Vapor.

Anything else?


Words like "higher", "warmer" do not specifically answer the question.
I feel like this is 4 grade.

Everyone knows the topic of CC is constantly debated at all levels of education because we don't know everything about the subject.
To think differently is just silly.
The strongest El Nino comes during the Warmest year ever recorded.

After 2014, the warmest year ever before 2015.

"Gee"

Quoting 307. Patrap:



Feel free to post the "debatable" Science to counter the present known causation of the observed warming.



Good point, A lot of what I read here that is (debate?) is a drive by conspiracy based rant followed by zero actual substance and mostly links to other conspiratorial rants. I often challenge the rants to provide actual, respectable evidence. Not once have my challenges been answered. As long as everything on the other side of the ("debate"?) boils down to a huge conspiracy theory it is very hard to take it seriously or even consider a legitimate other side.

Quoting 312. Sfloridacat5:



Words like "higher", "warmer" do not specifically answer the question.
I feel like this is 4 grade.


Yeah, Im not surprised, but your innuendo quips are the funniest almost here as this is a Science site, with the author being the best communicator of Climate Change science.

So we work within the boundaries of Science, with my forte being collecting and formatting the data that shows all the long range climate models have ALL underplayed the actual warming observed.

Have a good un'

Semper Fi'





Meanwhile the possible East Coast storm the models have been showing is shifting more out to sea:


Quoting 312. Sfloridacat5:



Words like "higher", "warmer" do not specifically answer the question.
I feel like this is 4 grade.

Everyone knows the topic of CC is constantly debated at all levels of education because we don't know everything about the subject.
To think differently is just silly.


The debate takes place in the scientific literature which builds, challenges, and progresses the science. There is no debate over the causes of the current warming. The leading edge of the debate in the literature focuses on potential outcomes, policy implications, better understandings of the natural processes by which the planet distributes energy, and attribution of global warming to individual events.
JeffMasters has created a new entry.
Quoting 315. Patrap:



Yeah, Im not surprised, but your innuendo quips are the funniest almost here as this is a Science site, with the author being the best communicator of Climate Change science.

So we work within the boundaries of Science, with my forte being collecting and formatting the data that shows all the long range climate models have ALL underplayed the actual warming observed.


Have a good un'








The question was is CC being debated? The answer is yes, at all levels of education.

I'm not going to change the subject to Dr. Masters' Blog, an educator that I respect.
Quoting 229. sar2401:

Sounds nice. Does the temperature sensor have any kind of solar shield or is it up to you to find the right exposure?

No sun shield. You have to find a shaded spot, preferably on a northern exposure--in the Northern Hemisphere, anyway. ;^)
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