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Heavy snow collapses Minneapolis Metrodome roof

By: Dr. Jeff Masters, 6:22 PM GMT on December 12, 2010

A raging December blizzard buried Minneapolis, Minnesota under 17 inches of snow over the weekend, triggering the collapse early this morning of the air-inflated roof of the Minneapolis Metrodome, home of the Minnesota Vikings football team. The storm roared out of Canada on Friday morning, bringing heavy snow, sustained winds of 25 – 35 mph, and blizzard conditions through Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Michigan. The heaviest snows occurred near Osceola, Wisconsin, where 23 inches fell. The storm also dumped 21" at Noisy Basin, Montana, 14" in Williston, ND, and 14" in Negaunee, MI. Officially, 17.1” of snow fell at the Minneapolis airport; 16.3” of it on Saturday. Saturday's snow amounted to 1.75” of melted precipitation, for a snow-to-water equivalent ratio of 9:1. For those of you who've ever shoveled snow know, that's a very wet, heavy snow, and its no wonder the roof of the Metrodome had trouble with such a huge weight of snow.


Figure 1. Amount of precipitation for the 24 hours ending at 1am EST Sunday, in melted snow equivalent. Up to two inches of precipitation fell (brown colors) near the Minnesota-Wisconsin border. Image credit: NOAA /NOHRSC.

In the wake of the storm, bitterly cold air from Canada will sweep southwards into the U.S., and high temperatures near 0°F are expected for Minneapolis on Monday. Lows near -30°F are expected in northern Minnesota near International Falls on Monday night. The cold will penetrate into Florida's orange groves Monday night, with lows in the mid-20s expected in Orlando.

Jeff Masters
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The views of the author are his/her own and do not necessarily represent the position of The Weather Company or its parent, IBM.

Reader Comments

No one is a failure who has friends.
Quoting Grothar:


Listen to you, 70's modern? How you doing, pot?

Doing good!
Well, it's more current than the 40's, where Geof and them seem stuck.
LOL
Paint the asphalt white and use black lines might help.
Quoting Ossqss:


Interestingly, I have watched T-storms form in close proximity to the interstate in my neck of the woods. Old timers tell you that did not happen there prior. I can only imagine how paving, net net, has impacted weather. Let alone the unimaginable things that all of the wireless communications/energy emissions that did not exist way back when, provide. Think about the Satellite, cell towers/phones, microwaves, radar and on and on.

Just sayin, there is much more to the story that has not been evaluated, understood, or modeled in depth, but its still cold in Florida, in my garage, as I type, so Gnight :)

504. flsky
Quoting hydrus:
darn.

Just get out your sleeping bag and lay on the
Quoting Grothar:


Thanks, mossy. Actually, astronomy has been a hobby of mine since I was a kid (and no wise-cracks, hydrus) I still get a kick looking at the skies. Bad thing is, at my age and can't pull my head far enough back anymore.

Just lay on the ground (snow?) in your sleeping bag!
Quoting Ossqss:


Interestingly, I have watched T-storms form in close proximity to the interstate in my neck of the woods. Old timers tell you that did not happen there prior. I can only imagine how paving, net net, has impacted weather. Let alone the unimaginable things that all of the wireless communications/energy emissions that did not exist way back when, provide. Think about the Satellite, cell towers/phones, microwaves, radar and on and on.

Just sayin, there is much more to the story that has not been evaluated, understood, or modeled in depth, but its still cold in Florida, in my garage, as I type, so Gnight :)

Yeah, good point!
I think that we all agree, that Climate is changing.
The reasons for that, are what gets us all flummoxed!
Quoting GeoffreyWPB:
No one is a failure who has friends.



Word!!! Nuff said.
Quoting PSLFLCaneVet:



LOL. Here's yer 70's:







That's more like it...
seems like just yesterday.................
Quoting DoverWxwatchter:
Maine milder than central Florida.




Baffin/Newfoundland Bay & Hudson bay aren't near as froze as they should be. It shows in last weeks SST anomolies.. It sets up a high that usually isn't there.

Freeze already so I can get my winter back from Maine!
Quoting flsky:

Just get out your sleeping bag and lay on the
Just lay on the ground (snow?) in your sleeping bag!


Sure, easy for you to say. They will find my body frozen in the morning.
Quoting Jeff9641:
AGW is a Democratic scar tactic. Yeah we have some warming but not to the degree as some on here insist with their jam it down your throat tactic.

"Some warming"?

Just three days ago NASA reported that the "meteorological year" spanning from December 2009 to November 2010 was the warmest in that agency's 131 years of record keeping. This in light of A) the current minimum of solar irradiance, the deepest in a century, which is having its maximum cooling effect, and B) the strong La Nina which got underway last summer, and has helped to hold temperatures down.

Get that? NASA says that, in spite of two major cooling motivators, the planet has just gone through its warmest 12-month period in the past 1,572. As the NASA report states: "Contrary to frequent assertions that global warming slowed in the past decade... global warming has proceeded in the current decade just as fast as in the prior two decades."

While I'm at it and before I go, I wanted to add a piece of data someone asked me for the other day: US record daily highs outnumbered record daily lows for the first 11 months of the year 11,337 to 3,436, or roughly 3.29 to 1. By comparison, here are the ratios of record highs to record lows over the past five decades:

1960s - 0.77:1
1970s - 0.78:1
1980s - 1.14:1
1990s - 1.36:1
2000s - 2.04:1
2010s - 3.29:1 (to date)

Notice any trends?

So, no throat-jamming. Just facts. Feel free to use them--or ignore them--as you will...
Quoting GeoffreyWPB:
No one is a failure who has friends.


+1


Dang it, I seem to post right when the page changes.






Some record highs were set in Maine today.

Caribou ME was 55 today (old record 44 in 1991)

Houlton, ME was 55 also (old record 48 in 1949)

Bangor, ME  was 57 (old record 56 in 1946)


Caribou and Houlton didn't just break their records, they smashed them!

Caribou has also set a record for warmest so late in the season, although not a record for the month.

Quoting Grothar:


I don't think a 15 watt bulb puts out much heat.


Yes, but there are a total of 19 7 watts in the ceiling fans + a whole bunch of other little ones (there was a payout in going from the 13 watt to the 7 watt... could even quantify it with the smart meter data... instead of relying on the bills).

Really, even last year when it was in the 20's, my temperature went up about 2 degrees until lights out. And then plunged from 72 to 66 overnight without heat (hint... if moving to a system that uses water for heating make sure you can isolate it in the deep south!).
Quoting Grothar:


Sure, easy for you to say. They will find my body frozen in the morning.

Not if you quaff some anti-freeze first....
Quoting pottery:

Doing good!
Well, it's more current than the 40's, where Geof and them seem stuck.
LOL


You know the old saying, pot. "It is OK to look back; just don't stare." I am sure GeoffWPB remembers the 30's and 40's better than I, but they were nice times. Those songs bring back many fond memories of nices days.
A few places in Greenland are warmer than Central Florida right now.  As in this location.

I'm surprised that this airmass is as cold as it is without Hudson's Bay properly frozen.
Quoting Skyepony:


Baffin/Newfoundland Bay & Hudson bay aren't near as froze as they should be. It shows in last weeks SST anomolies.. It sets up a high that usually isn't there.

Freeze already so I can get my winter back from Maine!

Quoting DoverWxwatchter:
Paint the asphalt white and use black lines might help.



Actually Doc has a blog entry on the topic of the bad measurements

Watt's up Doc
Quoting DoverWxwatchter:
Some record highs were set in Maine today.


Not totally unexpected, with that big low blowing in warm air off the Gulf Stream. NB and NS in Canada are getting a taste of it now.
Quoting Neapolitan:

"Some warming"?

Just three days ago NASA reported that the "meteorological year" spanning from December 2009 to November 2010 was the warmest in that agency's 131 years of record keeping. This in light of A) the current minimum of solar irradiance, the deepest in a century, which is having its maximum cooling effect, and B) the strong La Nina which got underway last summer, and has helped to hold temperatures down.

Get that? NASA says that, in spite of two major cooling motivators, the planet has just gone through its warmest 12-month period in the past 1,572. As the NASA report states: "Contrary to frequent assertions that global warming slowed in the past decade... global warming has proceeded in the current decade just as fast as in the prior two decades."

While I'm at it and before I go, I wanted to add a piece of data someone asked me for the other day: US record daily highs outnumbered record daily lows for the first 11 months of the year 11,337 to 3,436, or roughly 3.29 to 1. By comparison, here are the ratios of record highs to record lows over the past five decades:

1960s - 0.77:1
1970s - 0.78:1
1980s - 1.14:1
1990s - 1.36:1
2000s - 2.04:1
2010s - 3.29:1 (to date)

Notice any trends?

So, no throat-jamming. Just facts. Feel free to use them--or ignore them--as you will...

Trends ??
Nah!
Those aren't trends, those are somehow erroneous numbers.
Everyone knows that.
NASA works for Big Business....
Quoting Grothar:


You know the old saying, pot. "It is OK to look back; just don't stare." I am sure GeoffWPB remembers the 30's and 40's better than I, but they were nice times. Those songs bring back many fond memories of nices days.


I'm not that old. I like history, old songs...long before I was around.
1970's , I think I remember that :) out

525. flsky
Quoting PSLFLCaneVet:



LOL. Here's yer 70's:







Thanks for the Billy Joel. A musical genius, in my humble opinion.
Quoting GeoffreyWPB:


I'm not that old. I like history, old songs...long before I was around.

Me too!
"they dont do them like that, anymore" is true. Especially music.
Quoting DoverWxwatchter:
A few places in Greenland are warmer than Central Florida right now.  As in this location.

I'm surprised that this airmass is as cold as it is without Hudson's Bay properly frozen.



Wow 39º in Greenland. I'm at 35.6º in East Central FL.
Quoting Skyepony:


Wow 39º in Greenland. I'm at 35.6º in East Central FL.

LOL that's incredible!!
Quoting pottery:

Me too!
"they dont do them like that, anymore" is true. Especially music.


Like this?

Strangely enough, I am at 24 degrees.

But then, that's Celcius (74F)
Very nice!
Grothar:

Actually, at 71 degrees right now in the house... 70 when I got home and no heating runs.

In addition to the lights

1) 1 daughter took a shower
2) opening and closing refrigerator (which generates overall heat since the heat must be removed from the frig at less than 100% efficiency... think about it)
3) 0.12 kwH of microwave activity (I am kill-a-watting owing to the stupidity of lack of Texas net metering and have to figure out a way to use power during peak).
4) computers.

No ceiling fans on I hope.

All that stuff added energy, enough to heat the house by 1 F.

It was 2 F before I downsized to the 7 and 10 watt bulbs though.

7.8 C right now
Quoting Skyepony:


Wow 39º in Greenland. I'm at 35.6º in East Central FL.


OK - that's it. I'm moving to Maine or Greenland. (I live in the central FL Keys).

Regarding all the music links lately - anyone got the "Girl from Ipanema goes to Greenland".
8>)

- thanks Sky
Quoting flsky:

Thanks for the Billy Joel. A musical genius, in my humble opinion.




Thank you sky. I'm glad you liked it.
Quoting Grothar:


Like this?


Nice!
Brenda Lee, Connie Francis, and a whole lot of them that I cant remember the names of.
Broke my heart, all of them......
Here's another pair

Truro Nova Scotia is 59.8 (maybe they will hit 60) (From a personal weather station)

Camaguey, Cuba is 57.  Maybe they will get into the 40s.

Thanks for reminding me to look at eastern Canada DontAnnoyMe, I had forgotten.




Quoting EnergyMoron:
Grothar:

Actually, at 71 degrees right now in the house... 70 when I got home and no heating runs.

In addition to the lights

1) 1 daughter took a shower
2) opening and closing refrigerator (which generates overall heat since the heat must be removed from the frig at less than 100% efficiency... think about it)
3) 0.12 kwH of microwave activity (I am kill-a-watting owing to the stupidity of lack of Texas net metering and have to figure out a way to use power during peak).
4) computers.

No ceiling fans on I hope.

All that stuff added energy, enough to heat the house by 1 F.

It was 2 F before I downsized to the 7 and 10 watt bulbs though.

7.8 C right now


All I can say is, I am glad you were not my science teacher. Got this thing down to the Celsius, eh? Impressive.
Negative NAO

It's going to get warmer this winter folks... wouldn't be surprised if this ain't the coldest it gets down south....

But wouldn't be surprised if the above is erroneous either...

but la nina is la nina and the NAO is the NAO.


37.8. It's a mite chilly.
539. flsky
Quoting DoverWxwatchter:
A few places in Greenland are warmer than Central Florida right now.  As in this location.

I'm surprised that this airmass is as cold as it is without Hudson's Bay properly frozen.


I've spoken to a few visitors from IL, IN, ME recently in ECF and they're VERY pissed off w/our weather.
I wonder how many houses in the Bahamas have heat.
Quoting Grothar:


All I can say is, I am glad you were not my science teacher. Got this thing down to the Celsius, eh? Impressive.


Yes, I am ruthless against all violators of the first and second laws (especially when it involves commercial grade software, but I cannot go there).
There was a time this afternoon when Great Falls, Montana was 8 degrees warmer than Orlando at the same time.
Quoting flsky:

I've spoken to a few visitors from IL, IN, ME recently in ECF and they're VERY pissed off w/our weather.

Quoting Grothar:


All I can say is, I am glad you were not my science teacher. Got this thing down to the Celsius, eh? Impressive.


Howdy Grothar:

Let's talk summer cooking (I know, not seasonal) since much more important on bills.

Obviously I do a lot of pre-calculation and was surprised that my improvements to AC were not doing as well as expected when I first did them.

Okay, I should have dropped to 1,200 kWH per summer for AC and was about at 2,200 kWH. Watt happened? (pun intended).

Well, energy for cooking is about 900 kWH for the summer months.

That darn first law... U = q + w

Built and outdoor kitchen.

AC is working like planned now and quality of life is also better with the man cave.

Of course, folks back in the 1800's had enough sense not to cook indoors in the deep south US.
546. flsky
Nice here in the blog tonight. Seems like everyone's getting along talking about cold weather and good music.
Quoting flsky:
Nice here in the blog tonight. Seems like everyone's getting along talking about cold weather and good music.


Seconded!
I hadn't realized how big the waves were earlier today in the Central Gulf, 19 feet!   I bet the surf on the north shore of the Yucatan was amazing this afternoon.
Quoting DoverWxwatchter:
There was a time this afternoon when Great Falls, Montana was 8 degrees warmer than Orlando at the same time.

Northerners generally are surprised at just how cold our ~25 feels down here. To a yankee, (due to what humidity there is?) it just feels colder than the same temp back home.

My NWS forecast is for a 20 F low. Would not surprise me if we dip a little below that given this:

I also hadn't realized some places in Maine had over 8 inches of rain from this storm.
Quoting flsky:
Nice here in the blog tonight. Seems like everyone's getting along talking about cold weather and good music.


Girl from Ipanema goes to Greenland. Possible record cold forecast for Fl Keys tonight, upper 30Fs in upper Keys, mid to lower 40's here in middle Keys; near 50F Key West. My oven is warming part of the house tonight and tomorrow. Gale force right now.

Hopefully the linky thing is working for me tonight.

Link

Quoting EnergyMoron:
Grothar:

Actually, at 71 degrees right now in the house... 70 when I got home and no heating runs.

In addition to the lights

1) 1 daughter took a shower
2) opening and closing refrigerator (which generates overall heat since the heat must be removed from the frig at less than 100% efficiency... think about it)
3) 0.12 kwH of microwave activity (I am kill-a-watting owing to the stupidity of lack of Texas net metering and have to figure out a way to use power during peak).
4) computers.

No ceiling fans on I hope.

All that stuff added energy, enough to heat the house by 1 F.

It was 2 F before I downsized to the 7 and 10 watt bulbs though.

7.8 C right now

You forgot the biggest heat emitters! The 98.6 F ones!
Quoting pottery:

Me too!
"they dont do them like that, anymore" is true. Especially music.



Smiles.
Quoting Ossqss:


Interestingly, I have watched T-storms form in close proximity to the interstate in my neck of the woods. Old timers tell you that did not happen there prior. I can only imagine how paving, net net, has impacted weather. Let alone the unimaginable things that all of the wireless communications/energy emissions that did not exist way back when, provide. Think about the Satellite, cell towers/phones, microwaves, radar and on and on.

Just sayin, there is much more to the story that has not been evaluated, understood, or modeled in depth, but its still cold in Florida, in my garage, as I type, so Gnight :)
Houston lightning study found a clear signal in increased lighting stikes downwind of city center. In the summer, this was to the NE, of course.

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Newsroom/view.php?id=22561

This was led by one of my profs when I was there.
Quoting atmoaggie:

You forgot the biggest heat emitters! The 98.6 F ones!



Human thermal efficiency

Yah, it's late so my math probably ain't that good, but it does look like our five folks in the family are adding 3.744 kWH/day to the system (otherwise known as the house).

But, experimentally, you still have to explain the rise in temperature during the evening and the losses in the early morning.

Showers.

Oh, and there is the odd ceiling fan working. It's like a security blanket so I ain't going to shut it off (but discuss at a time when emotions are in check)

Here is one I bet none of you know. She is quite famous in Europe. Beautiful girl and beautiful voice. Sings in many languages and speaks all of them.

Quoting atmoaggie:
Northerners generally are surprised at just how cold our ~25 feels down here. To a yankee, (due to what humidity there is?) it just feels colder than the same temp back home.

My NWS forecast is for a 20 F low. Would not surprise me if we dip a little below that given this:




Agreed! The cold is quite different.
560. flsky
Quoting PSLFLCaneVet:


Seconded!

PSLFL is Port St Lucy? I've only been in FL a few years and don't know where everything is yet. West or East coast?
Quoting Grothar:
Here is one I bet none of you know. She is quite famous in Europe. Beautiful girl and beautiful voice. Sings in many languages and speaks all of them.




Correct on all points! Sweet!!.


The score sounds like: "Round Yon Virgins".
Quoting PSLFLCaneVet:



Correct on all points! Sweet!!.


Here is the last one. She has a wide range, actually an operatic voice but can modify her voice.

Quoting flsky:

PSLFL is Port St Lucy? I've only been in FL a few years and don't know where everything is yet. West or East coast?



Port St. Lucie. EC
Leading French newspaper Le Monde has been delving into WikiLeaks in depth with a growing online section devoted to new revelations. An article posted Dec. 12, titled Pirates informatiques contre climatologues (Computer pirates against climatologists), reveals a few American diplomats’ fears that cyberattacks on climate scientists might increase in the days leading up to the 2009 Copenhagen meeting. One email reveals an unsuccessful attack (from China) against the U.S. State Department’s Bureau of Oceans, Environment and Science (OES) that has received very little coverage (none that I can find) in domestic press.


Gro, very cool! Don't sell yourself short.
567. flsky
I have a glass I bought specifically b/c it doesn't "sweat" in the summer when I'm drinking wine w/ice (I know, but I have to dilute my alcohol). Lately, it's proven it's effectiveness winter-wise by not freezing my hand off! (I have an aversion to hot drinks - no matter what the weather...)
I held my word on saying the storm would eventually bring snow to the East Coast and low and behold, it's snowing and sticking on Long Island, according to my friends. While the big storm did not happen, it's still gonna look holidayish out there in the morning. The next storm could be VERY interesting, potential Big Daddy Blizzard for the East Coast, or an East Coast miss, that's what the models are currently showing right now.
Quoting Grothar:


Here is the last one. She has a wide range, actually an operatic voice but can modify her voice.

Grothar!

(Sorry for the flyby)

G'Nite, all.
Quoting Grothar:
Here is one I bet none of you know. She is quite famous in Europe. Beautiful girl and beautiful voice. Sings in many languages and speaks all of them.



Hallo Grothar:

Kent je K3? Het is voor kinderen, maar het meisjes zijn mooie ook en goede zingen. In verschillenden talen ook!
571. flsky
Quoting Skyepony:
Leading French newspaper Le Monde has been delving into WikiLeaks in depth with a growing online section devoted to new revelations. An article posted Dec. 12, titled Pirates informatiques contre climatologues (Computer pirates against climatologists), reveals a few American diplomats’ fears that cyberattacks on climate scientists might increase in the days leading up to the 2009 Copenhagen meeting. One email reveals an unsuccessful attack (from China) against the U.S. State Department’s Bureau of Oceans, Environment and Science (OES) that has received very little coverage (none that I can find) in domestic press.

Perhaps you can lead the way by posting what you know.
NASA Names Waleed Abdalati As Agency's New Chief Scientist
573. flsky
Quoting EnergyMoron:


Hallo Grothar:

Kent je K3? Het is voor kinderen, maar het meisjes zijn mooie ook en goede zingen. In verschillenden talen ook!

Does everyone know about Google Translate?

"K3 you know? It is for children, but girls are also beautiful and good singing. In different languages too!"
Quoting Skyepony:
Leading French newspaper Le Monde has been delving into WikiLeaks in depth with a growing online section devoted to new revelations. An article posted Dec. 12, titled Pirates informatiques contre climatologues (Computer pirates against climatologists), reveals a few American diplomats’ fears that cyberattacks on climate scientists might increase in the days leading up to the 2009 Copenhagen meeting. One email reveals an unsuccessful attack (from China) against the U.S. State Department’s Bureau of Oceans, Environment and Science (OES) that has received very little coverage (none that I can find) in domestic press.


Thank you - reading and forwarding ...
Quoting EnergyMoron:


Hallo Grothar:

Kent je K3? Het is voor kinderen, maar het meisjes zijn mooie ook en goede zingen. In verschillenden talen ook!


Ja, ik weet van hen. Ik spreek goed Nederlands niet. U zou een van de liederen voor de blog moeten versturen. Er zijn vele talenten in Europa onbekend hier.
Quoting flsky:

Does everyone know about Google Translate?

"K3 you know? It is for children, but girls are also beautiful and good singing. In different languages too!"


No, actually some of us speak those languages. One can always tell if they use google, because languages can not be translated properly.
Quoting Grothar:


Ja, ik weet van hen. Ik spreek goed Nederlands niet. U zou een van de liederen voor de blog moeten versturen. Er zijn vele talenten in Europa onbekend hier.


Ya wel spreke goede nederlands (iemand wie proberen spreken goede nederlands).

Ik probeert maar erste ik moot facebook leren kennen. Andere dagen... ik ben moo (een faut...)

Googel translate? Wat is dat?
578. flsky
Quoting Grothar:


No, actually some of us speak those languages. One can always tell if they use google, because languages can not be translated properly.

Helps for those of us that are uni-lingual tho.
Quoting flsky:

Does everyone know about Google Translate?

"K3 you know? It is for children, but girls are also beautiful and good singing. In different languages too!"



A new version:



Quoting flsky:

Helps for those of us that are uni-lingual tho.


It is actually a good learning tool and very useful. The sentence come out funny though. You should use it when you can. It is an amazing device. I never thought they would come as far as they did because of the the nuances in languages.
Quoting flsky:

Perhaps you can lead the way by posting what you know.


This was right before the whole "climategate scandal". Up til now there was some speculation Russia or cooperate interests hacked some climate researchers, took snip-its out of e-mails that brought any doubt out of context about AGW & quickly spread it right before the big climate summit in late 2009. There was some hacking that occurred at some US university or research but no real reported attempts on a govt agency by China til this.. Never heard the term "Computer Pirates against Climatologists" before..

Here's the original media article.
Quoting EnergyMoron:


Ya wel spreke goede nederlands (iemand wie proberen spreken goede nederlands).

Ik probeert maar erste ik moot facebook leren kennen. Andere dagen... ik ben moo (een faut...)

Googel translate? Wat is dat?


I will write to you off blog in Dutch if you want. It is not always good to write on the main blog in another language. I do not speak much Dutch anymore. I am forgetting. Mostly German and Norwegian now, although I still know the Northern dialects in Germany and some Swiss dialects, yet.

Uw Nederlands is goed. Google is een website die talen vertaalt, maar niet zo goed. Het zal gewoonlijk heel goed, maar niet altijd nauwkeurig vertalen.
K3 Doornroosje

Grothar:

Cannot figure out how to embed the utube.

K3 are the 3 cuties... not the one singing that she is bad.

Great performance by all... my most memorable nursery rhyme by far

Ik ben slecht...
Quoting EnergyMoron:
K3 Doornroosje

Grothar:

Cannot figure out how to embed the utube.

K3 are the 3 cuties... not the one singing that she is bad.

Great performance by all... my most memorable nursery rhyme by far

Ik ben slecht...


Just click on the embed button and right click and copy. Then just paste it on the blog. It will take with no problem.
Quoting EnergyMoron:
K3 Doornroosje

Grothar:

Cannot figure out how to embed the utube.

K3 are the 3 cuties... not the one singing that she is bad.

Great performance by all... my most memorable nursery rhyme by far

Ik ben slecht...



Select "embed".Copy, and paste the song or image.
Quoting PSLFLCaneVet:



A new version:





Don't ever remember seeing this version. GeoffWPB usually publishes them all. LOL
588. flsky
Quoting Grothar:


It is actually a good learning tool and very useful. The sentence come out funny though. You should use it when you can. It is an amazing device. I never thought they would come as far as they did because of the the nuances in languages.

I've attached a Google Translate icon to my .com I sell internationally and I think it really helps
Quoting Grothar:


I will write to you off blog in Dutch if you want. It is not always good to write on the main blog in another language. I do not speak much Dutch anymore. I am forgetting. Mostly German and Norwegian now, although I still know the Northern dialects in Germany and some Swiss dialects, yet.

Uw Nederlands is goed. Google is een website die talen vertaalt, maar niet zo goed. Het zal gewoonlijk heel goed, maar niet altijd nauwkeurig vertalen.


You are correct, enough is enough. Just picked up on your alternate talent thought though.
Quoting Grothar:


Don't ever remember seeing this version. GeoffWPB usually publishes them all. LOL


See my earlier, Old One. You've got some chops, yourself. lol
Quoting PSLFLCaneVet:


Thanks, that fine ABB song deserves company

Quoting Grothar:


Just click on the embed button and right click and copy. Then just paste it on the blog. It will take with no problem.


I don't seem to have an embed button :)
Quoting DontAnnoyMe:


Thanks, that fine ABB song deserves company




Thank you, my friend!
Quoting PSLFLCaneVet:



Thank you, my friend!


Welcome, friend. One company wasn't enough.

Quoting EnergyMoron:


I don't seem to have an embed button :)


It's right below the center of the video.
597. flsky
Quoting DontAnnoyMe:


Thanks, that fine ABB song deserves company


Nice. Thanks.


Flippin' sweet, DAM. Thanks!!
How about a little Chopin, before you go to bed?

600. flsky
Quoting PSLFLCaneVet:


Flippin' sweet, DAM. Thanks!!


Nice way to end a cold nite. Thanks everyone. Keep warm.
Quoting flsky:


Nice way to end a cold nite. Thanks everyone. Keep warm.


But wait - there's more!

Quoting DontAnnoyMe:


But wait - there's more!




Nice!
Thanks Gro:

Learned something tonight... how to embed social networking pages.

Stupid Fortran era me: think OO (the embed button is on the social network site).

Google translate did a good job with doornroosje... Sleeping Beauty.

Sleep... Good night. May FL stay warm and prosper.
Morning night shift....Coffee is ready!!
Quoting traumaboyy:
Morning night shift....Coffee is ready!!


Hey Tboyy. Any frostbite victims tonite?
Quoting traumaboyy:
Morning night shift....Coffee is ready!!


TB, glad to see ya!
Quoting DontAnnoyMe:


Hey Tboyy. Frostbite victims tonite?


I smiled.
Quoting traumaboyy:
Morning night shift....Coffee is ready!!
make mine a Caramel Bruilee Frappuccino with cinnamon twist and java chips low fat.
My neighbor Elway just got back from a Christmas party. He'll take his black. :)
G'ood night, folks. I'll miss the late night fun. A new paradigm for me.
Quoting KerryInNOLA:
make mine a Caramel Bruilee Frappuccino with cinnamon twist and java chips low fat.
My neighbor Elway just got back from a Christmas party. He'll take his black. :)


LOL....Hey Kerry....hope things are well with you and ol Elway too!!
Quoting DontAnnoyMe:


Hey Tboyy. Any frostbite victims tonite?


LOL...None yet but we rocking on toward 18 degrees so you never can tell with these back woods northwest florida rednecks!!
45.3 in Bonita Beach (between Ft. Myers and Naples).

Luckily, I am on a narrow barrier island and surrounded by water (Gulf to the West and Estero Bay to the east) so my guess is we will bottom out somewhere between 38-40. Inland will be much colder.

Time to move south.
Quoting KoritheMan:


I smiled.


Hey Kori!!
Quoting traumaboyy:


Hey Kori!!


How have you been?
Quoting traumaboyy:


LOL....Hey Kerry....hope things are well with you and ol Elway too!!
I'm recovering from an infection. I'm a diabetic. It's going down to 26-28 here tonight.
How's everything in your neck of the woods? This cold snap should keep everybody but the real sick at home.
Quoting KoritheMan:


How have you been?


I have been very well except for the COLD!! Last night I built three fires, two in stoves and one in open fireplace....ended up going inside...wind was just too much!!
Quoting KerryInNOLA:
I'm recovering from an infection. I'm a diabetic. It's going down to 26-28 here tonight.
How's everything in your neck of the woods? This cold snap should keep everybody but the real sick at home.


Glad to hear you gettin better. I see why it is colder here from the direction of the blast but I would think things would historically be colder in your neck of the woods.
Well I'm going to call it a night. Good night all!
Quoting traumaboyy:


Glad to hear you gettin better. I see why it is colder here from the direction of the blast but I would think things would historically be colder in your neck of the woods.


Never underestimate the power of warm air advection (in this case, from Lake Pontchartrain).
Quoting KoritheMan:


Never underestimate the power of warm air advection (in this case, from Lake Pontchartrain).


Enjoy it Bro!!

THere is a lake next to where I work and the only affect it really has is keeping the wind blowing all the time when it is cold. Oh yeah and the thick advection fog on warmer mornings...lol
Caribou, ME was 57 at midnight.  That's only one degree away from their record high for the month of December.  At midnight!
Quoting DoverWxwatchter:
Caribou, ME was 57 at midnight.  That's only one degree away from their record high for the month of December.  At midnight!


Things will turn around once they get on the cold side of that low. Highs in the low 20s by Sat.
Quoting traumaboyy:


Enjoy it Bro!!

THere is a lake next to where I work and the only affect it really has is keeping the wind blowing all the time when it is cold. Oh yeah and the thick advection fog on warmer mornings...lol


Haha.

Lakes generally tend to moderate the temperature of a given area (unless the surface flow is offshore), depending upon their respective size. A lake in the back yard of a person, for example, will not produce an appreciable effect on air temperature, while a much larger lake, like Lake Okeechobee or Pontchartrain, most certainly will. Again, provided the surface flow is blowing toward a particular locale(s), rather than away from it. The latter is very likely why you are colder than Kerry.
Quoting KoritheMan:


Haha.

Lakes generally tend to moderate the temperature of a given area (unless the surface flow is offshore), depending upon their respective size. A lake in the back yard of a person, for example, will not produce an appreciable effect on air temperature, while a much larger lake, like Lake Okeechobee or Pontchartrain, most certainly will. Again, provided the surface flow is blowing toward a particular locale(s), rather than away from it. The latter is very likely why you are colder than Kerry.


Give me mosquitos, flies, sweat, ants, HURRICANES, just bring back the HEAT!!!
Quoting calusakat:

I take exception with but one word 'Democratic' substitute 'aristocratic' or 'money grubber' and you would be much closer to the truth.

Tom Cruise, in the movie Jerry McGuire, yelled...'Show me the money!!!'

In the world of AGW it is all about the money.




Money grubber? Because there is so much money to be made in science....Not! Most scientists chose science over a much more lucrative career. Sure there is a variety personal reasons for each scientist but I don't think any scientist is stupid enough to chose it for the money - at least not the ones doing research. There is just as much money for research against Global Warming as there is for it. Maybe that sounds untrue to people who have been raised in politics and think in party ideologies rather than physical facts, but I don't think there is a Global Warming supporter alive who wouldn't be absolutely ecstatic to find evidence against global warming.

DO have any idea how easy it would be for a scientist to get rich finding proof against global warming? All they have to do is find little dew drops of counter evidence, start a blog, (drastically) lower their integrity standards, and take donations. What's Up With That?

Quoting traumaboyy:


Give me mosquitos, flies, sweat, ants, HURRICANES, just bring back the HEAT!!!


Don't say anything when I wishcast them to you next year. ;)
I like the cold usually. But its really cold out there and kinda windy. The meteor show is going in spurts with long cold pauses.
Quoting KoritheMan:


Don't say anything when I wishcast them to you next year. ;)


As long as you don't say Panama City in your forecast I will keep my mouth shut!!
629 I actually pleasantly surprised there is as much integrity in reputable science as there is. Cant say the same for the denial crowd. Not even close.

This happens every winter around here. Its cold and so global warming is over and another ice age is beginning.

Dont worry it will be very hot again very soon.

Quoting JFLORIDA:
I like the cold usually. But its really cold out there and kinda windy. The meteor show is going in spurts with long cold pauses.


Just got out for a few minutes to have a look (21F here but I have the appropriate clothing). Saw at least 1/minute, some a lot brighter than others. Nice. Look to the north, about 45-50 degrees above the horizon.
Quoting traumaboyy:


As long as you don't say Panama City in your forecast I will keep my mouth shut!!


But you said "give me hurricanes". I'll hold you to that, you know. :)
Quoting JFLORIDA:
629 I actually pleasantly surprised there is as much integrity in reputable science as there is. Cant say the same for the denial crowd. Not even close.

This happens every winter around here. Its cold and so global warming is over and another ice age is beginning.

Dont worry it will be very hot again very soon.




Is believing in panic of the world heating really worth it? And let me guess, once they finally find out Global Warming is false, the scientists who have a bias about this junk will also play a God complex by claiming they slowed the effects of Global Warming with proper advanced warning.
Quoting KoritheMan:


But you said "give me hurricanes". I'll hold you to that, you know. :)


And my answer will be I would rather have a hurricane than a blizzard any day of week and TWICE on Sunday!!
Quoting traumaboyy:


And my answer will be I would rather have a hurricane than a blizzard any day of week and TWICE on Sunday!!
Quoting KoritheMan:


But you said "give me hurricanes". I'll hold you to that, you know. :)
Quoting KoritheMan:


But you said "give me hurricanes". I'll hold you to that, you know. :)


WHy would I need to worry about Hurricanaders anyways??

We had our shields up last season and next season we will hit them with our photon torpedos!!
Quoting JFLORIDA:
629 I actually pleasantly surprised there is as much integrity in reputable science as there is. Cant say the same for the denial crowd. Not even close.

This happens every winter around here. Its cold and so global warming is over and another ice age is beginning.

Dont worry it will be very hot again very soon.



It's the heat I am worried about actually.

I am still of the unfortunate opinion that the arctic ice could be completely gone in three years. All it will take is the right set of conditions, a abnormally hot arctic summer, a slight change in the wind conditions, and the transport of arctic ice South will remove all the multiyear ice.

I just hate the skeptics that are perfectly comfortable being alarmist about fellow Americans ("they trying to take over the world, we have a sacred duty to stop this imaginary army of scientists, quick , fire up the cannons of disinformation - but remember to use the easy easy to handle ammunition, nothing hard to understand...") but when a person creates a scenario based on physical evidence, that person is called alarmist.
640. IKE
26.4 my temperature and low...so far.
Mornin Ike. I bottomed out at 23.9F at 10:28PM last eve. At that point, I really thought the bottom was gonna drop out but then the breeze kicked in a little to mix it up and we recovered a little.
643. IKE
Quoting PensacolaDoug:
Mornin Ike. I bottomed out at 23.9F at 10:28PM last eve. At that point, I really thought the bottom was gonna drop out but then the breeze kicked in a little to mix it up and we recovered a little.


That's colder then my low.
Quoting Jedkins01:

Is believing in panic of the world heating really worth it? And let me guess, once they finally find out Global Warming is false, the scientists who have a bias about this junk will also play a God complex by claiming they slowed the effects of Global Warming with proper advanced warning.

My, you are on a roll! Please don't let silly things like logic or science slow you down! ;-)

Still in the upper 30s here in Naples; we avoided a freeze. More importantly, the produce-growing areas inland appear to still be staying mostly just above freezing, and the constant wind will keep frost away, so we might just get lucky here if temps can hang in there for just another hour or so.
645. IKE
25.3 my new morning low.

Forecast high Thursday...68.

Friday high....72.

.........................................

Off topic...I'm sick of hearing about Brett Favre. Enough.
22 deg in Concord NC
32.2 here in Lake Worth.
8 degrees with wind chill in Mobile,al. this morning! I think I will use a "sick" day.
649. IKE
Still dropping...25.0 now.

Sunrise in about 20 minutes.
Quoting IKE:
25.3 my new morning low.

Forecast high Thursday...68.

Friday high....72.

.........................................

Off topic...I'm sick of hearing about Brett Favre. Enough.

Good Morning Ike. Favre? I guess no ESPN, Sports Talk Radio and no football games for you! Favre - Farve - Farve
651. IKE
Quoting PakaSurvivor:

Good Morning Ike. Favre? I guess no ESPN, Sports Talk Radio and no football games for you! Favre - Farve - Farve


That's all they have talked about. Incredible streak...but, I've heard about 10 times the streak started when Bush Sr. was President.

My low...24.8.
Quoting IKE:
Still dropping...25.0 now.

Sunrise in about 20 minutes.


Morning IKE!

20.7 right here.....and Wind still a Howling!!

When we grow up....we gotta move to FLORIDA!!
653. IKE
Quoting traumaboyy:


Morning IKE!

20.7 right here.....and Wind still a Howling!!

When we grow up....we gotta move to FLORIDA!!


That's cold!

Suns-up now....hoping it'll touch 50 today.
Quoting IKE:


That's cold!

Suns-up now....hoping it'll touch 50 today.


AMEN!!

50 would be a heat wave!!
Good Morniong...
81 here already.
I dont think it will snow today.
656. IKE
Quoting pottery:
Good Morniong...
81 here already.
I dont think it will snow today.


Rub it in.

PWS 6 miles from me....

WZEP AM 1460 DeFuniak Springs, FL, DeFuniak Springs, Florida (PWS)
Updated: 2 sec ago
22.2 °F
Clear
Windchill: 22 °F
Humidity: 57%
Dew Point: 10 °F
Wind: 0.0 mph
Wind Gust: 0.0 mph
Pressure: 30.20 in (Rising)
Visibility: 10.0 miles
UV: 0 out of 16
Pollen: .60 out of 12
Pollen Forecast new!
Clouds: Clear -
(Above Ground Level)
Elevation: 174 ft

Quoting Jeff9641:
AGW is bogus political crap. Record cold in Alaska all the way to FL right now and people want to pitch AGW. I would say get a grip people. Just a couple of days ago there were temps in Alaska of -20 to -40 for highs. -22 near Duluth this morning.

You got it Jeff. Great points. It's no more than a bunch of political propoganda to push forward an agenda. Afterall, Al Gore himself was largely responsible for spearheading the movement. It's a trendy topic. Give it a few years with a few more harsh winters and we'll all be talking about global cooling & the onset of the next ice age just like folks were in the late 70's and 80's with those winters.
Good Morning all! 29 here in Cfl.
Quoting pottery:
Good Morniong...
81 here already.
I dont think it will snow today.


Good Morning Sir!!

All the angry and mean retorts I could muster only prove that I am completely JELOUS!!
Quoting traumaboyy:


Good Morning Sir!!

All the angry and mean retorts I could muster only prove that I am completely JELOUS!!
Quoting IKE:


Rub it in.

PWS 6 miles from me....

WZEP AM 1460 DeFuniak Springs, FL, DeFuniak Springs, Florida (PWS)
Updated: 2 sec ago
22.2 °F
Clear
Windchill: 22 °F
Humidity: 57%
Dew Point: 10 °F
Wind: 0.0 mph
Wind Gust: 0.0 mph
Pressure: 30.20 in (Rising)
Visibility: 10.0 miles
UV: 0 out of 16
Pollen: .60 out of 12
Pollen Forecast new!
Clouds: Clear -
(Above Ground Level)
Elevation: 174 ft



heheheheh
I love old people!!....LMFAO!!
662. IKE
Looking at the 6Z GFS model run, I don't see temps the next 7-10 days approaching what we have for cold now.

Temps are headed for a big rebound starting tomorrow.
Well, I have a hard and busy day ahead.
There is a Gang of Thugs coming to erect scaffolding and wash this old house (mildew on walls).
So I have to sit in the shade, with a cold beer, and shout instructions.
Dont know what I did to deserve this.....

But I will be thinking warm thoughts, for you all!
665. IKE
Quoting pottery:
Well, I have a hard and busy day ahead.
There is a Gang of Thugs coming to erect scaffolding and wash this old house (mildew on walls).
So I have to sit in the shade, with a cold beer, and shout instructions.
Dont know what I did to deserve this.....

But I will be thinking warm thoughts, for you all!


Lucky. Take a cold swig for me.

Gotta get ready for work:(
You rock Pottery!
Quoting IKE:


Lucky. Take a cold swig for me.


No Problem!
668. P451
Quoting pottery:
Well, I have a hard and busy day ahead.
There is a Gang of Thugs coming to erect scaffolding and wash this old house (mildew on walls).
So I have to sit in the shade, with a cold beer, and shout instructions.
Dont know what I did to deserve this.....

But I will be thinking warm thoughts, for you all!


Well enjoy your wonderful day Sir!!

Sun came up....vampires head home for warm bed!!
Quoting P451:

Brrr. This gonna let up soon!!?? Long range GFS at least providing a glimmer of hope.
Quoting P451:

WOW!
That's scary stuff.
Should see a spike in oil prices soon.....
Quoting traumaboyy:


Well enjoy your wonderful day Sir!!

Sun came up....vampires head home for warm bed!!

Have a good hibernation, Trauma!
Quoting pottery:

WOW!
That's scary stuff.
Should see a spike in oil prices soon.....

...and the price of orange juice. I ran out to Cosco and made sure to stock up on some OJ while it's still affordable.
Quoting Jedkins01:



Is believing in panic of the world heating really worth it? And let me guess, once they finally find out Global Warming is false, the scientists who have a bias about this junk will also play a God complex by claiming they slowed the effects of Global Warming with proper advanced warning.

Very well said. With that mindset of people who actually believe the garbage that the globe is warming, they'll always be a copout and someone to blame.
Quoting cat5hurricane:

...and the price of orange juice. I ran out to Cosco and made sure to stock up on some OJ while it's still affordable.

Good thinking!
We are having a bumper crop of citrus here.
Citrus loves a hot, dry, dryseason which we surely had.
Now, the branches are hanging down and I had to cut lengths of bamboo to prop them up. Or the branches will break.
Back later.
Quoting cat5hurricane:

Very well said. With that mindset of people who actually believe the garbage that the globe is warming, they'll always be a copout and someone to blame.

Can you please provide verifiable scientific evidence that the planet isn't warming? Of course, you have mountains of data showing the opposite to contend with, but you seem very confident, so you must be sitting on an as-yet-unpublished and unpublicized trove of global cooling data. Please share it with us. I, for one, will be anxiously waiting.

And waiting...

And waiting...

And waiting...
Good Morning/Evening.

P451! That says it.
Yeeesh! All I can add is that by Thursday, today's high will be our Low.
Quoting Neapolitan:

Can you please provide verifiable scientific evidence that the planet isn't warming? Of course, you have mountains of data showing the opposite to contend with, but you seem very confident, so you must be sitting on an as-yet-unpublished and unpublicized trove of global cooling data. Please share it with us. I, for one, will be anxiously waiting.

And waiting...

And waiting...

And waiting...

Like anyone including yourself has verifiable scientific evidence that the planet is warming??. Bologna. It's no more than a bunch of political propaganda to push forward an agenda. Afterall, Al Gore himself was largely responsible for spearheading the movement. It's a trendy topic. Give it a few years with a few more harsh winters and we'll all be talking about global cooling & the onset of the next ice age just like folks were in the late 70's and 80's with those winters. And whadda know, you have the opportunity right now to jump on that bandwagon to get it moving.
Quoting Neapolitan:

Can you please provide verifiable scientific evidence that the planet isn't warming? Of course, you have mountains of data showing the opposite to contend with, but you seem very confident, so you must be sitting on an as-yet-unpublished and unpublicized trove of global cooling data. Please share it with us. I, for one, will be anxiously waiting.

And waiting...

And waiting...

And waiting...
How on earth can anyone do that when the AGW crowd already admits to altering the data in the guise of smoothing it out and such silly shenanigans, which the rest of us are suppose to swallow hook, line and sinker?

Stop being a such shill for the money grubbing AGW crowd you are quickly losing believability.


Quoting traumaboyy:
I love old people!!....LMFAO!!
lol Thats why everybody loves Pott and Grothar Extra long time......lol
forecast low of 30 was right on the money at my place in Pinellas. 30.3 with a win chill of 19 this morning. I went for a walk out in this brutal cold and it still amazes me to experience weather so darn cold in Florida
Quoting IKE:


That's all they have talked about. Incredible streak...but, I've heard about 10 times the streak started when Bush Sr. was President.

My low...24.8.

I agree. Didn't watch more than 10 minutes of the pre-game show on ESPN as it was a rehash of Sport Center. Turned the game off in the middle of the first quarter as they talked more about Favre then the game.
Quoting PakaSurvivor:

I agree. Didn't watch more than 10 minutes of the pre-game show on ESPN as it was a rehash of Sport Center. Turned the game off in the middle of the first quarter as they talked more about Favre then the game.

Even my Ravens seemed overshadowed by the big story. But you know what, he was an excellent player...a sure fire hall of famer. That's a hell of a streak. His moment was well deserved and showcased. His streak can only be broke once. It's not like he can change his mind on that anymore. But the coverage was deserving.
Quoting Neapolitan:

My, you are on a roll! Please don't let silly things like logic or science slow you down! ;-)

Still in the upper 30s here in Naples; we avoided a freeze. More importantly, the produce-growing areas inland appear to still be staying mostly just above freezing, and the constant wind will keep frost away, so we might just get lucky here if temps can hang in there for just another hour or so.


haha well at least we don't hate each other for our complete opposite views right? :)

Yeah I knew it wouldn't get as cold in south Florida as they were forecasting. I'm sorry but Miami Beach having the same forecast low as my place is ridiculous, and West Palm Beach had a lower forecast then all the inland locations up here in North Central Florida.

The only places that got really cold like they forecasted (mid 20's) was the Okeechobee area due to low ground and and extremely rural land.


Its funny how there is often not agreement among the forecast offices. The forecast offices of Ruskin, my area, (west central Florida) and Melbourne (east central Florida) had predictions right on the money this morning. Which was generally mid 20's inland in the cities and low 20's in the rural farming areas. Then 30's on the beach and low 30's for north Pinellas and Tampa. All those forecasts turned out right.

It just seems to me the forecast office in Miami got a little ahead of itself on this one don't you think? lol
686. IKE
Quoting PakaSurvivor:

I agree. Didn't watch more than 10 minutes of the pre-game show on ESPN as it was a rehash of Sport Center. Turned the game off in the middle of the first quarter as they talked more about Favre then the game.


It will continue this week with the question of whether he is finished for his career.

One thing I can say about the NFL in watching games over the weekend...there are a few real good teams and the rest are mediocre to awful.
Quoting IKE:


It will continue this week with the question of whether he is finished for his career.

One thing I can say about the NFL in watching games over the weekend...there are a few real good teams and the rest are mediocre to awful.

Yep. Very watered down this year.
My low was 27 here on the northside of Orlando and it's supposed to hit 77 on Friday. Talk about crazy up and down temps. Also I am getting more excited of the possibility of heavy rain on Saturday across most of Florida. We need rain very bad right now so any rain Saturday would be well needed.
California has a El-Nino type set up beginning to take shape. It looks as many in California are in for some serious flooding as some could get 6" to 10" of rain over the next 7 days.
Quoting Jeff9641:
California has a El-Nino type set up beginning to take shape. It looks as many in California are in for some serious flooding as some could get 6" to 10" of rain over the next 7 days.

I saw that. That could get ugly.
691. beell
AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE LOUISVILLE KY
638 AM EST TUE DEC 14 2010

.LONG TERM (WEDNESDAY - MONDAY)...
...A WINTER STORM SYSTEM WILL AFFECT THE AREA WEDNESDAY-THURSDAY
WITH A WINTRY MIX OF PRECIPITATION EXPECTED...

FORECAST FOCUS FOR THE LONG TERM CONTINUES TO BE THE WINTER STORM
SYSTEM SET UP TO MOVE IN HERE BEGINNING WEDNESDAY AND CONTINUING
INTO THURSDAY
. STILL HAVE THE SETUP FOR NICE ISENTROPIC LIFT ACROSS
THE CWA AS LOW PRESSURE ORGANIZES OVER THE SOUTHERN AND CENTRAL
PLAINS. WILL HAVE PLENTY OF MOISTURE STREAMING IN FROM THE NORTHWEST
GULF
AS THIS LOW ORGANIZES. THE PROBLEM ON OUR END WILL BE THE FACT
THAT WE HAVE SO MUCH SNOW COVER. EXPECT TEMPERATURES TO BE WELL
BELOW WHAT GUIDANCE HAS...AND THAT IS THE SETUP FOR SOME WINTER MIX.

EXPECT PRECIP TO START OFF AS ALL SNOW UNTIL SOME OF THE WARMER AIR
CAN GET THE MID LEVELS ABOVE FREEZING
. EXPECT THAT TO START OVER THE
SOUTHWEST CWA BY WED AFTN AND THEN OVERSPREAD THE REST OF THE CWA
OVERNIGHT. BY DAYBREAK THURSDAY THE LOW WILL BE NEAR OUR SOUTHWEST
CWA...WITH TEMPS EAST OF THE LOW GOING ABOVE FREEZING. AS MENTIONED
EARLIER THOUGH...STILL EXPECT SNOWPACK TO BE THERE. THUS RAIN THAT
FALLS LIKELY STILL WILL FREEZE FOR A TIME
...UNTIL TEMPS GET INTO THE
UPPER 30S IN THE AFTERNOON.

WITH QPF`S NEAR A QUARTER OF AN INCH FOR A LARGE PART OF THE CWA.
FEEL ENOUGH CONFIDENCE IS WARRANTED TO ISSUE A WINTER WEATHER WATCH
FOR THE EVENT
. LEANED MORE TOWARDS THE MORE CONSERVATIVE GFS FOR
QPF...BUT THE NAM HAS MUCH HIGHER VALUES. SHOULD THE EC/NAM
SOLUTIONS VERIFY...COMBINED WITH SNOW/COLD GROUNDS...THIS EVENT HAS
THE POTENTIAL FOR SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS FROM LATE WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON
THROUGH THURSDAY MORNING.

BEYOND THAT EVENT...HAVE HIGH PRESSURE TRYING TO BUILD IN FRIDAY.
HOWEVER MODELS YESTERDAY HINTED AT A DEVELOPING STORM SYSTEM ALONG
THE GULF/ATLANTIC COASTS. WOULD EXPECT AT LEAST A SLIGHT CHANCE AT
SOME SNOW TO FALL ON THE BACK SIDE OF THIS SYSTEM...MAINLY ACROSS
THE SOUTHEAST CWA....AND HAVE ADDED THIS TO THE FORECAST. GIVEN
CLOUD COVER AND NORTH WINDS...EXPECT IT WILL BE DIFFICULT TO GET
ABOVE FREEZING THROUGH THE WEEKEND.


AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE INDIANAPOLIS IN
534 AM EST TUE DEC 14 2010

...ISENTROPIC LIFT BECOMES WELL ESTABLISHED ACROSS THE REGION WEDNESDAY
NIGHT
AS THE LOW TRACKS INTO THE LOWER MISSISSIPPI VALLEY. AXIS OF
FRONTOGENETICAL FORCING ALOFT WILL ADD ITS WEIGHT TO THE ISENTROPIC
LIFT WITH PRECIPITATION EXPANDING ACROSS THE ENTIRE FORECAST AREA.
PRECIP TYPE IS GOING TO BE A FACTOR WITH THIS SYSTEM...ESPECIALLY
OVER FAR SOUTHERN COUNTIES WITHIN THE FORECAST AREA. MODEL SOUNDINGS
CONTINUE TO FAVOR A BULGE OF ABOVE FREEZING AIR WITHIN THE BOUNDARY
LAYER WEDNESDAY NIGHT ACROSS SOUTHERN INDIANA
WITH WARM ADVECTION
ONGOING. LIKELY TO SEE SNOW TRANSITION TO A FREEZING RAIN AND/OR
SLEET MIXTURE
OVER THE SOUTHERN COUNTIES AS A RESULT. AT THIS POINT
IN TIME...HIGHLY UNCERTAIN AS TO POTENTIAL AMOUNT OF FREEZING RAIN
IN THESE AREAS...BUT POSSIBILITY FOR AT LEAST A TENTH OF AN INCH IF
NOT MORE THROUGH THURSDAY MORNING.

FURTHER NORTH ACROSS THE FORECAST AREA...VARIOUS MODELS IN DECENT
AGREEMENT IN KEEPING 850MB TEMPS BELOW FREEZING ALONG AND NORTH OF A
TERRE HAUTE-BLOOMINGTON-COLUMBUS LINE WITH MOST IF NOT ALL OF THE
PRECIPITATION EXPECTED TO FALL IN THE FORM OF SNOW. BEST ISENTROPIC
LIFT AT THIS POINT IN TIME APPEARS TO BE IN A NW-SE BAND ACROSS THE
CENTRAL PART OF THE FORECAST AREA...AND EXPECT THE HIGHEST SNOWFALL
TOTALS WILL LIKELY BE FOUND IN THESE LOCATIONS. WITH TEMPERATURES
MAINLY IN THE 20S...LIKELY TO SEE SNOW RATIOS AROUND 15-1.
POSSIBILITY OF ANOTHER ACCUMULATING SNOW FOR MUCH OF CENTRAL INDIANA
WITH 2 TO 3 INCHES POSSIBLE WITH HIGHEST AMOUNTS FOCUSED ON THE
INTERSTATE 70 CORRIDOR. PRECIPITATION WILL COME TO AN END BY
THURSDAY AFTERNOON AS THE DISTURBANCE SHIFTS OFF TO THE SOUTHEAST OF
THE REGION.

CURRENT THINKING IS THAT AN ADVISORY MAY ONCE AGAIN BE NEEDED
WEDNESDAY NIGHT/THURSDAY MORNING CONSIDERING THE EXPECTED SNOW
AMOUNTS AND POTENTIAL FOR LIGHT FREEZING RAIN ACROSS SOUTHERN
PORTIONS OF THE FORECAST AREA. WILL HIGHLIGHT WINTER WEATHER
POTENTIAL IN HWO AND SPS THIS MORNING AND LET DAYSHIFT INVESTIGATE
FURTHER WITH ANOTHER SET OF MODEL RUNS..


AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE JACKSON KY
646 AM EST TUE DEC 14 2010

...14/00Z PROGS ARE IN REASONABLE AGREEMENT IN THE DEPICTION OF A
RATHER SIGNIFICANT ISENTROPIC LIFT EVENT CENTERED ON EAST KENTUCKY
BEGINNING LATE WEDNESDAY
AND LASTING INTO THE DAY ON THURSDAY. IT
CONTINUES TO APPEAR THAT SNOW WILL BREAK OUT ACROSS THE AREA FROM
SOUTHWEST TO NORTHEAST WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON AND EVENING. PROGS ARE
OFTEN TOO SLOW TO INDICATE THE DEVELOPMENT OF QPF IN ISENTROPIC LIFT
EVENTS SO WILL KEEP POPS HIGHER THAN GUIDANCE WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON.
THE SNOW WILL THEN TRANSITION TO SLEET...FREEZING RAIN AND THEN RAIN
FROM SOUTH TO NORTH OVERNIGHT AND INTO THURSDAY MORNING. THERMAL
PROFILES ARE STILL IN QUESTION AND WILL NOT TAKE ANY DEFINITIVE STAND
ON PRECIP TYPE FOR ANY GIVEN LOCATION AT THIS TIME. HOWEVER...GIVEN
THE GENERAL MODEL CONSENSUS THAT AROUND A 1/2 INCH OF QPF WILL FALL
OVER MOST OF THE AREA FROM THIS SYSTEM...FEEL WITH REASONABLE
CONFIDENCE THAT THE AREA STANDS A GOOD CHANCE OF SEEING SIGNIFICANT
SNOW AND/OR ICE ACCUMULATIONS
AND WILL HIGHLIGHT THIS THREAT WITH A
WINTER STORM WATCH RUNNING FROM LATE WEDNESDAY EVENING THROUGH
THURSDAY MORNING. AS MENTIONED IN AN EARLIER DISCUSSION...IT APPEARS
THAT THE AREA BETWEEN THE MOUNTAIN PARKWAY AND THE HAL ROGERS
PARKWAY/HIGHWAY 80 STAND THE BEST SHOT AT SEEING SIGNIFICANT ICE
ACCUMULATIONS OF AT LEAST A 1/4 INCH...WITH UP TO 4 INCHES OF SNOW
POSSIBLE TO THE NORTH. THE PRECIP SHOULD BE TAPERING DOWN BY THURSDAY
AFTERNOON
WITH MOST AREAS WARMING JUST ABOVE FREEZING BY THAT TIME...
Quoting Jeff9641:
My low was 27 here on the northside of Orlando and it's supposed to hit 77 on Friday. Talk about crazy up and down temps. Also I am getting more excited of the possibility of heavy rain on Saturday across most of Florida. We need rain very bad right now so any rain Saturday would be well needed.

Good news for orange growers. What kept those temps from falling into the lower 20's and upper teens then? Was it the brisk winds through the night I'm thinking??
I have to be honest...I have a smile on my face when hearing about the cold weather you guys are getting. 30's is spring jacket weather around here.

And about the NFL...there is a problem when the team I root for, the Niners, has a chance to WIN the division and secure a 4 seed with a 7-9 record. Even I don't want that.
Quoting Jeff9641:
California has a El-Nino type set up beginning to take shape. It looks as many in California are in for some serious flooding as some could get 6" to 10" of rain over the next 7 days.
And Colombia will not get a break from the heavy rain. Heavy rain in the North Atlantic also..Link
Quoting RIDGES:
I have to be honest...I have a smile on my face when hearing about the cold weather you guys are getting. 30's is spring jacket weather around here.

And about the NFL...there is a problem when the team I root for, the Niners, has a chance to WIN the division and secure a 4 seed with a 7-9 record. Even I don't want that.


As a die-hard 49'ers fan I'll take it. My oldest son became the outsider when he started rooting for the Cowboys. As I became the outsider when I didn't follow the family and become a L.A. Rams Fan. If the 49'ers make the post season and the Cowboy don't, I and my other son will have bragging rights until next season. Oh, the wife is a Saints fan.
Quoting cat5hurricane:

Like anyone including yourself has verifiable scientific evidence that the planet is warming??. Bologna. It's no more than a bunch of political propaganda to push forward an agenda. Afterall, Al Gore himself was largely responsible for spearheading the movement. It's a trendy topic. Give it a few years with a few more harsh winters and we'll all be talking about global cooling & the onset of the next ice age just like folks were in the late 70's and 80's with those winters. And whadda know, you have the opportunity right now to jump on that bandwagon to get it moving.


What's the political agenda of the GW believers?
Quoting RIDGES:
I have to be honest...I have a smile on my face when hearing about the cold weather you guys are getting. 30's is spring jacket weather around here.

And about the NFL...there is a problem when the team I root for, the Niners, has a chance to WIN the division and secure a 4 seed with a 7-9 record. Even I don't want that.

I completely hear ya. I have family in Chicago and they say the same thing.

Yeah...the NFC West division is SO bad. It's a joke. Singletary's sure rallying his troops after that blowout of SEA. But finish up the season strong after that slow start, and go from there...whether you get in or not.
Quoting calusakat:
How on earth can anyone do that when the AGW crowd already admits to altering the data in the guise of smoothing it out and such silly shenanigans, which the rest of us are suppose to swallow hook, line and sinker?

Stop being a such shill for the money grubbing AGW crowd you are quickly losing believability.




How is the AGW crwod grubbing the money?
Quoting greentortuloni:


What's the political agenda of the GW believers?

$$
Quoting calusakat:
How on earth can anyone do that when the AGW crowd already admits to altering the data in the guise of smoothing it out and such silly shenanigans, which the rest of us are suppose to swallow hook, line and sinker?

Stop being a such shill for the money grubbing AGW crowd you are quickly losing believability.


there is no getting through the force field of stupidity here, and i wouldn't even try. a blessing and a curse to allow such utter tripe... excuse me while i wipe dung on you, upon removing that which you've slung.
Quoting cat5hurricane:

$$


How does GW become $$?
Quoting greentortuloni:


How does GW become $$?


you know.... the MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF MONEY climate scientists make, a well know top 2% earning demographic... what, you've never seen all their McMansions and fraternizations with political and celebrity elites????
heck, i just spotted Dr. M with Brad Pitt riding elephants down the golden streets from My mcmansion window....
It is 33 degrees here in ECFL, the sun is out, and it's warming. Have a good day everyone.
Chicklit 33 in ECFL? Heat Wave compared to the current 21 in Crestview! Seems like the sun is up and we're getting colder!
Actually, there have been some photos posted of Jeff with celebrities but never riding elephants that I can recall...
Complete Update






Quoting PakaSurvivor:


As a die-hard 49'ers fan I'll take it. My oldest son became the outsider when he started rooting for the Cowboys. As I became the outsider when I didn't follow the family and become a L.A. Rams Fan. If the 49'ers make the post season and the Cowboy don't, I and my other son will have bragging rights until next season. Oh, the wife is a Saints fan.


A Niner beat writer was walking through a park when he noticed a dog attacking a older man. A kid comes flying out of nowhere with a big stick and hits the dog, killing it instantly. The beat writer runs up to the lad ready to ask him questions:

Writer - That was amazing! I'm going to write the headline "Young Niner Fan Saves Elderly Man from Certain Death!"

Boy - I'm not a Niner fan though.

Writer - Oh, thats ok! "Brave Raider Fan Saves Man from Jaws of Death!"

Boy - No, I'm not a Raiders fan either. I'm a Cowboys fan.

Writer - Hold on, I've got it! "Dumb Redneck Hick Kills Mans Best Friend!" Winner!
Quoting greentortuloni:


How is the AGW crwod grubbing the money?
Green Tortuloni..How on Earth did you get that handle for the blog. I get a laugh every time I see it..By the way, I think you know how goin with green energy could make some people a lot of money.
Quoting calusakat:
Stop being a such shill for the money grubbing AGW crowd you are quickly losing believability.

The "money grubbing AGW crowd". Hmmm.

Profits--not revenue, but profits--for just the five largest oil companies for the years 2000-2008 were $656 billion. During that same span, profits for all renewable / clean / green / alternative energy companies--that is, every one on the planet--were an estimated $47 billion.

Any questions?
Quoting RipplinH2O:
Actually, there have been some photos posted of Jeff with celebrities but never riding elephants that I can recall...
good thing he is not a climate scientist then, or else my sarcasm would be lost on the secondary, oft missed level. neither am i, nor any single individual who has posted on this blog, for or against the AGW platform.

point being, there are no shills here. just a bunch of people with rampant opinions, and a few supported facts.
Quoting Neapolitan:

The "money grubbing AGW crowd". Hmmm.

Profits--not revenue, but profits--for just the five largest oil companies for the years 2000-2008 were $656 billion. During that same span, profits for all renewable / clean / green / alternative energy companies--that is, every one on the planet--were an estimated $47 billion.

Any questions?
Going green would change the world..And it would make some rich people poor, and some not so well off people rich..And in case you did not know, the Saudis already have billions tied up in to nuclear fusion technology and some of the green energy tech.
Quoting hydrus:
Green Tortuloni..How on Earth did you get that handle for the blog. I get a laugh every time I see it..By the way, I think you know how goin with green energy could make some people a lot of money.


Sure, there are lots of ways to make money: the United States (and any other country) could make money by consuming less foreign energy sources, lighter cars mean less road and car repairs, solar panels and micro turbines mean less energy infrastructure, local sources like pellet stoves mean less transportation costs, biking means less health costs, using clotheslines means less HVAC costs, etc.. There are also money to be made investing in new sources. Note that the people doing the research however are not the ones making the profit (as far as i know).

Anyway, you sent me on a search regarding grant money and the best link i found was wikipedia. Points on both sides but best read for yourself.
Quoting Neapolitan:

The "money grubbing AGW crowd". Hmmm.

Profits--not revenue, but profits--for just the five largest oil companies for the years 2000-2008 were $656 billion. During that same span, profits for all renewable / clean / green / alternative energy companies--that is, every one on the planet--were an estimated $47 billion.

Any questions?
Are you really that uneducated about money?

Are you aware that the taxes paid for aid to the poor actually translates to pennies on the dollar by the time it reaches the people for whom it was intended.

Do you actually think that the taxes and money collected for Carbon Offset will even remotely equal what is actually spent. Pennies on the dollar is what it will amount to after middle men galore take their share before it gets to who need it most.

Not to mention the fact that when you compare how long the oil companies have been in existence to the time that the Greenie crowd has captured almost 10 percent in less than eight years. Thats a pretty astounding growth rate by any measure.

And you have the temerity to suggest it is not about the money?

Like I said earlier...stop being a shill for Greenies (not all Greenies, just the AGW Greenies) and their money grubber counter-parts in the AGW crowd.

I am a Greenie who thinks AGW is an out and out lie.

BTW...How does it feel to be labeled as a crackpot like you have done to those who disagree with you? Doesn't feel good, does it? Maybe you should stop.


Lake County Survives Freezing Temperatures


LAKE COUNTY, Fla. -- Despite the cold night, some citrus growers in Lake County are feeling pretty good about the condition of their crops Tuesday morning.

While much of Central Florida slept, local growers were up watching the thermometer drop. Several hours of below freezing temperatures could mean hundreds of thousands of dollars in crops lost.

WFTV spoke with the grower at Showcase of Citrus early Tuesday morning and he said it appeared this area has avoided the worst case scenario.

Tiny sprinklers are the only line of defense for fruit on bitter mornings like Tuesday. At Showcase of Citrus in Lake County, hundreds of thousands of gallons of water cover the trees to create a protective barrier of ice.

"Once you start to make the ice, you have to continually make it," said John Arnold with Showcase of Citrus.

Showcase of Citrus started irrigating around 8:00pm Monday night and continued throughout the morning as workers continually check the fruit for damage.

"I expect to have some fruit damage and for ice to be in the oranges and in the grapefruit," said Arnold.

With temperatures expected to bottom out in the mid to upper twenties throughout Lake County, it is only a matter of how long it stays that cold. Four hours at 28 degrees or less means almost certain crop damage in this 350-acre grove. That is part of a $9 billion per year industry.

"I think the fruit's in jeopardy, I know it is," said Arnold.

Even though there are some signs of frost damage on the leaves, the grower at Showcase of Citrus feel like he has dodged a bullet Tuesday morning. He said he is more concerned about what is happening to the crops of growers to the north.
Quoting hydrus:
Going green would change the world..And it would make some rich people poor
sure, if one grossly mismanages the abundant wealth they already sit on top of, yeah, diminished profits in the order of millions, or billions, might just send them to the poor house... something tells me not a single person who could suffer from lost profits doesn't already have a spare, let's just say $100,000 to hire someone to manage their remaining millions, or billions, to ensure that it grows into a larger, or at least sustainable fortune. i however, will be struggling to get over 30K a year, gross, for probably the rest of my life. i am a pretty happy fella with much love and support around me. forgive my disgust at the very notion that anyone who is currently rich will be facing, well, my (the poor) house.
Quoting greentortuloni:


Sure, there are lots of ways to make money: the United States (and any other country) could make money by consuming less foreign energy sources, lighter cars mean less road and car repairs, solar panels and micro turbines mean less energy infrastructure, local sources like pellet stoves mean less transportation costs, biking means less health costs, using clotheslines means less HVAC costs, etc.. There are also money to be made investing in new sources. Note that the people doing the research however are not the ones making the profit (as far as i know).

Anyway, you sent me on a search regarding grant money and the best link i found was wikipedia. Points on both sides but best read for yourself.

To chime in on that point. Grant money, and especially Fed. grant money, that is awarded for research purposes, is tightly controlled and distributed. Scientists that apply for and win these grants don't profit from them other than to perform the research they are interested in.
Great news coming out of C FL as it appears no damage was done to the Citrus Crops. Like I said yesterday the wind will help in keeping temps warmer than forecast. Forecasted low was 23 and I got down to 29.3 degrees at my house. Again we dodged a bullet here in C FL. GREAT NEWS
It's barely going to break 50 for a high, and it's supposed to fall right back into the 20s tonight (at least where I am), and then right back to the mid 70s on Thursday. Gotta love this pattern.
Quoting PrivateIdaho:

To chime in on that point. Grant money, and especially Fed. grant money, that is awarded for research purposes, is tightly controlled and distributed. Scientists that apply for and win these grants don't profit from them other than to perform the research they are interested in.
Are you suggesting that they don't get to take any of that money home?

Profit and Income there is a wee bit of a difference between the two.


Quoting Jeff9641:
Great news coming out of C FL as it appears no damage was done to the Citrus Crops. Like I said yesterday the wind will help in keeping temps warmer than forecast. Forecasted low was 23 and I got down to 29.3 degrees at my house. Again we dodged a bullet here in C FL. GREAT NEWS


I'm going to profit from GW by growing citrus here in Idaho although the harvest for next year is looking kinda' bleak...:^(
Quoting calusakat:
Are you suggesting that they don't get to take any of that money home?

Profit and Income there is a wee bit of a difference between the two.


That is exactly what I am saying. The institution that is employing the researcher may use some of the funding to pay salaries but no extra money is paid to the scientists.
#713, you claim the AGW platform is all about profiteering by means of disseminating falsehoods in a grand and greedy conspiracy. then, evidence is offered to counter that and you make some sort of retort about taxes, aid to the poor, and carbon offsets???? so after you've twisted and confused your own path of "logic", you then attempt to get back on track with a statement about a significant rise of profits in the green sector...? wow, nice attempt at a genuine scare tactic. it does well to mask Nea's actual figures, and ensures the continuing paranoid delusion that there must be something gone a-rye. kudos to the magnificence of your blinders.
Quoting Minnemike:
sure, if one grossly mismanages the abundant wealth they already sit on top of, yeah, diminished profits in the order of millions, or billions, might just send them to the poor house... something tells me not a single person who could suffer from lost profits doesn't already have a spare, let's just say $100,000 to hire someone to manage their remaining millions, or billions, to ensure that it grows into a larger, or at least sustainable fortune. i however, will be struggling to get over 30K a year, gross, for probably the rest of my life. i am a pretty happy fella with much love and support around me. forgive my disgust at the very notion that anyone who is currently rich will be facing, well, my (the poor) house.
I know exactly where you are coming from. I could talk about the almost infinite possibilities if in fact this became a reality. The oil will run out someday, and oil dependency will become a thing of the past as countries will not be able to afford oil as supplies dwindle. Ultimately the world will be fatigued into compliance with more and more restrictions being put on energy consumption. The others will be forced by shear necessity to find alternative energy sources because oil will be beyond there financial grasp. jmo
Quoting calusakat:
Are you really that uneducated about money?

Are you aware that the taxes paid for aid to the poor actually translates to pennies on the dollar by the time it reaches the people for whom it was intended.

Do you actually think that the taxes and money collected for Carbon Offset will even remotely equal what is actually spent. Pennies on the dollar is what it will amount to after middle men galore take their share before it gets to who need it most.

Not to mention the fact that when you compare how long the oil companies have been in existence to the time that the Greenie crowd has captured almost 10 percent in less than eight years. Thats a pretty astounding growth rate by any measure.

And you have the temerity to suggest it is not about the money?

Like I said earlier...stop being a shill for Greenies (not all Greenies, just the AGW Greenies) and their money grubber counter-parts in the AGW crowd.

I am a Greenie who thinks AGW is an out and out lie.

BTW...How does it feel to be labeled as a crackpot like you have done to those who disagree with you? Doesn't feel good, does it? Maybe you should stop.




I think you should stop as well.
Read the regulations associated with some of these funding programs (not recommended for people with a low tolerance for boredom). For example ESTCP, SERDP, or go to the DOE site and look at funding opportunities. All the programs I'm familiar have strict requirements on how awarded money will be spent.
mean while, back at the ranch, while the uneducated masses are pretty much enjoying the booger eating moron name calling contest, we also pretty much put most of this mess on ignore (not WU ignore but real ignore)...
Quoting caneswatch:


I think you should stop as well.

I disagree.
Quoting calusakat:
Are you really that uneducated about money?

Are you aware that the taxes paid for aid to the poor actually translates to pennies on the dollar by the time it reaches the people for whom it was intended.

Do you actually think that the taxes and money collected for Carbon Offset will even remotely equal what is actually spent. Pennies on the dollar is what it will amount to after middle men galore take their share before it gets to who need it most.

Not to mention the fact that when you compare how long the oil companies have been in existence to the time that the Greenie crowd has captured almost 10 percent in less than eight years. Thats a pretty astounding growth rate by any measure.

And you have the temerity to suggest it is not about the money?

Like I said earlier...stop being a shill for Greenies (not all Greenies, just the AGW Greenies) and their money grubber counter-parts in the AGW crowd.

I am a Greenie who thinks AGW is an out and out lie.

BTW...How does it feel to be labeled as a crackpot like you have done to those who disagree with you? Doesn't feel good, does it? Maybe you should stop.


You are correct C.K. And a lot of the problems this country is facing right now has everything to do with money...I believe me when I say to you that some of our hard earned tax dollars are being thrown into the proverbial waste basket..And its pi$$ing me off..
Quoting hydrus:
You are correct C.K. And a lot of the problems this country is facing right now has everything to do with money...I believe me when I say to you that some of your hard earned tax dollars are being thrown into the proverbial waste basket..And its pi$$ing me off..
Hey I hardly wasted any of your tax dollars yesterday...well I did loiter by the coffee machine and talk football for 20 min. But today it will be a productive day of cow fart research!
Can't stick around as it is a busy day for me, but here's a repost from last night as information.

Just presenting data and information. Some may find it to be a meaningful observation, some may not. It is simply an observation.

There was a jump in temps in 1998.

Simply as a relative number, the most recent IPCC prediction is +0.30C per decade.

From 1979-1997, the trend was about +0.05C per decade. Flat, for all practical purposes.

Then there was a jump.

From 1998-2009, the trend was about -0.03C per decade. Again, flat.

First is the full satellite temp record through 2009 with a trend line and my inserted average temp line (not a trend line) for 1979-1997 and 1998-2009.

That is followed by the 1979-1997 and 1998-2009 temp record separately.





Quoting PrivateIdaho:
Hey I hardly wasted any of your tax dollars yesterday...well I did loiter by the coffee machine and talk football for 20 min. But today it will be a productive day of cow fart research!
I,d hate to be the one appointed to that branch of scientific research...:)
Quoting PrivateIdaho:
Hey I hardly wasted any of your tax dollars yesterday...well I did loiter by the coffee machine and talk football for 20 min. But today it will be a productive day of cow fart research!

Nothing wrong with some football talk!
Quoting Neapolitan:

The "money grubbing AGW crowd". Hmmm.

Profits--not revenue, but profits--for just the five largest oil companies for the years 2000-2008 were $656 billion. During that same span, profits for all renewable / clean / green / alternative energy companies--that is, every one on the planet--were an estimated $47 billion.

Any questions?



Are oil companies allowed to make a profit? If so, how much and at what rate of return is acceptable to you?
Quoting Seastep:
Can't stick around as it is a busy day for me, but here's a repost from last night as information.

Just presenting data and information. Some may find it to be a meaningful observation, some may not. It is simply an observation.

There was a jump in temps in 1998.

Simply as a relative number, the most recent IPCC prediction is +0.30C per decade.

From 1979-1997, the trend was about +0.05C per decade. Flat, for all practical purposes.

Then there was a jump.

From 1998-2009, the trend was about -0.03C per decade. Again, flat.

First is the full satellite temp record through 2009 with a trend line and my inserted average temp line (not a trend line) for 1979-1997 and 1998-2009.

That is followed by the 1979-1997 and 1998-2009 temp record separately.





I'd like to see the standard deviations associated with those data.
Just for giggles...

Why not push ahead on home-grown technologies as alternative energy sources so we don't have to station young men and women in politically unstable kingdoms in the Middle East where human rights violations are the norm?

How much does it cost every day to keep one carrier group on station in the Persian Gulf? What is one soldier/sailor/Marine/airman's life worth?

I'm in favor of getting out from under the thumb of these petty potentates...
Here in North Fort Myers, FL we got down to 30 even this morning. Power went out around 7am for 20 mins then came back on only to go off again at 7:50am and was off when I left for work. Too many thin bloods running the heat! The house was only 68 so our heat never kicked on. Good thing for the electric bill! Frost on the lawn and windshield...dead grass for a few weeks now. UGH! At least it's cold for the holidays, which is a welcome departure from the usual balmy temps this time of year. Hope everyone is having a good one thus far...
Quoting RipplinH2O:
mean while, back at the ranch, while the uneducated masses are pretty much enjoying the booger eating moron name calling contest, we also pretty much put most of this mess on ignore (not WU ignore but real ignore)...
well then, i guess you won't be seeing this entry, as i can surely take a hint. i guess it's good you don't give up on people like i do, nor would you reciprocate the hurling of dung as i have. we need more folks out there like your self, but we also need some balancing of other 'forces' as well, imo. so, may we each excel in the role we wish to play. putting a user on the ignore list is a wise choice for any of you bloggers on here!!
Quoting TampaTom:
Just for giggles...

Why not push ahead on home-grown technologies as alternative energy sources so we don't have to station young men and women in politically unstable kingdoms in the Middle East where human rights violations are the norm?

How much does it cost every day to keep one carrier group on station in the Persian Gulf? What is one soldier/sailor/Marine/airman's life worth?

I'm in favor of getting out from under the thumb of these petty potentates...
Good post Tom! You would think those would be points everyone could agree on.

When did development of new technologies become a bad thing? Why not become the leader in alternative energy? This country has always been a leader in technological innovation and it has served us well. Why are thing different now?
Quoting PensacolaDoug:



Are oil companies allowed to make a profit? If so, how much and at what rate of return is acceptable to you?

Of course they are. But that wasn't the point. The point was this: before anyone tries to "prove" that AGW adherents are "money grubbers" (and, thus, the AGW theory is false), they might want to consider that profits for the fossil fuel industry are quite literally dozens of times larger than those for the renewable energy industry. If there's any "grubbing" going on, then, it appears to be somewhat lopsided, no?
Out here in the Florida Boonies, Crestview is now at 31 deg... Oops, just dropped to 30. Oh how I miss summer! : (
Quoting Neapolitan:

The "money grubbing AGW crowd". Hmmm.

Profits--not revenue, but profits--for just the five largest oil companies for the years 2000-2008 were $656 billion. During that same span, profits for all renewable / clean / green / alternative energy companies--that is, every one on the planet--were an estimated $47 billion.

Any questions?


Don't start complicating things with all those numbers and statistics. Facts don't fit in the conversation. I think a bunch of eyes just glossed over. You really think you'll get thru THIS time? It hasn't worked the other 3,472 times, what makes you think those thick skulls are penetrable?

Anyone who cares about the environment is money grubbing but anyone who likes to pollute isn't. It makes total sense, doesn't it? LOL!
It's a laughable debate that I can't stomach. You can't argue with lead bricks.

Keep going brother! Hopefully someday people will become rational...
Quoting PakaSurvivor:
Out here in the Florida Boonies, Crestview is now at 31 deg... Oops, just dropped to 30. Oh how I miss summer! : (
lol...32 here.
Quoting calusakat:
Are you really that uneducated about money?

Are you aware that the taxes paid for aid to the poor actually translates to pennies on the dollar by the time it reaches the people for whom it was intended.

Do you actually think that the taxes and money collected for Carbon Offset will even remotely equal what is actually spent. Pennies on the dollar is what it will amount to after middle men galore take their share before it gets to who need it most.

Not to mention the fact that when you compare how long the oil companies have been in existence to the time that the Greenie crowd has captured almost 10 percent in less than eight years. Thats a pretty astounding growth rate by any measure.

And you have the temerity to suggest it is not about the money?

Like I said earlier...stop being a shill for Greenies (not all Greenies, just the AGW Greenies) and their money grubber counter-parts in the AGW crowd.

I am a Greenie who thinks AGW is an out and out lie.

BTW...How does it feel to be labeled as a crackpot like you have done to those who disagree with you? Doesn't feel good, does it? Maybe you should stop.



I guess what I should stop is spending any more time on you; the way you keep moving the "point" of the conversation makes it hard to keep up with you. To summarize: you accused the "AGW crowd" of being money grubbers, but when I provided numbers to show that just the top five oil companies in the world have made ten times as much profit in the past eight years as all renewable energy companies combined, you responded with a complaint about tax aid to the poor.

Huh?

At any rate, if those in the anti-science crowd choose to label me a "crackpot", I know I'm on the right track. So, you know, thanks for further validating my beliefs. ;-)
Quoting PrivateIdaho:
Hey I hardly wasted any of your tax dollars yesterday...well I did loiter by the coffee machine and talk football for 20 min. But today it will be a productive day of cow fart research!


Hey PI, how have you been? It's OK as long as it's sports talk. No problem there...
Quoting hurricanejunky:


Hey PI, how have you been? It's OK as long as it's sports talk. No problem there...
Things are good now that I sent all the cold weather to FL. We have had record highs in the upper 40s-low 50s last few days....Got a storm coming through today though.
Quoting hurricanejunky:


Don't start complicating things with all those numbers and statistics. Facts don't fit in the conversation. I think a bunch of eyes just glossed over. You really think you'll get thru THIS time? It hasn't worked the other 3,472 times, what makes you think those thick skulls are penetrable?

Anyone who cares about the environment is money grubbing but anyone who likes to pollute isn't. It makes total sense, doesn't it? LOL!
It's a laughable debate that I can't stomach. You can't argue with lead bricks.

Keep going brother! Hopefully someday people will become rational...


Makes no sense at all what you said. Explain how greenies are greedy while those who pollute aren't?
I knew it was bad when I turned on Channel 7 news in Miami this morning and they show the big thermometor on Lincoln Road showing 35 degrees. I immediately do outside ( after 5 minutes of dressing ) and my thermometor reads 31 degrees and my car and all the other cars are covered in frost and the grass is crunchy from the the sprinklers overnight, and Im in Fort Lauderdale
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Good morning to all on the WU blog!!

I had a low temperature this morning of 20.3 degrees registered on my thermometer, the coldest of the season thus far.

The National Weather Service office at Jacksonville International Airport, about five miles from where I live, confirmed 20 degrees also this morning to establish a new record low temperature for this date, breaking the old mark of 24 degrees set back in 1960.

A very impressive arctic airmass to say the least. Currently as we approach the 12 noon hour, it has only warmed to 36.6 degrees. Dewpoint temperatures are in the single digits currently. Wow! Don't see that too often down here that's for sure.

Winds will get lighter as the day progresses as the cold arctic dome of High pressure settles in closer on top of the SE US region. This will set the stage for prime radiational cooling conditions tonight and the mercury is going to drop like a rock in most areas. I expect the coldest readings in most places by sunrise tomorrow morning, even more colder than this morning. Temps should drop down into the teens in my area of Jax, as well as the other interior portions of North Florida.

Central Florida looks to have temps possibly into the low-mid 20s in the colder regions in that part of the state, and it looks as though the freezing line is going to drop down all the way to the Alligator Alley corridor in the Everglades. A very impressive cold air mass indeed.

The warm-up commences beginning Thursday into Saturday for the peninsula as we get the flow to veer back to the south-southwest ahead of the next cold front due to arrive across the state on Sunday. It appears that the models are showing that although it will be turning colder again on Sunday, this next cold air mass coming will not be nearly as severe as this current cold outbreak.
Seastep... why do you keep breaking time at 1998????? the earth did not end in '97, reform, and begin again in '98. let us suppose that in one week, from a Sun-Sat, temps in one place were chronologically 45, 55, 95, 70, 75, 85, 90, has not the week gotten warmer from the first day to the last?

what happened to data in 1998 that we should throw out the connection to any year before it? also, start in 1999 and work through 2009 data, is there not a warming trend? do you know what outlier means in statistics, and how to treat it?

climate science is not about what happens discretely from one year to the next; it is about trends. when discussing trends, discrete values need to be combined wherever possible. you are mistakenly isolating 1998 to make a point that the globe has cooled since then. *it hasn't cooled according to the data you yourself posted, which i cite here http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/Fig.C.lrg.gif

this is why you were accused of cherry picking. for my imaginary week of example temps, there were two days prior to the hottest day of the week, so in that sample, one would state the week progressively warmed from start to finish. only when throwing out the first two days would one be able to say the week cooled. still, even from that point when 4 out of 5 days experience warming from one to the next, even a layman should be able to see that cooling is not the trend there.

you really need to stop breaking time in half at '98 so that you can understand the reason why people state there has been continued warming since then. if, and only if, time began at the hottest measurement in '98 would you come close to accuracy. however, just like my made up example, you still have to deal with the fact that the period following that outlier year also indicates a warming trend.
Good morning all! I don't know if it got down to freezing in Sarasota, Florida this morning. I hear its going to be 76 here on Friday. That will be sweet!
Quoting caneswatch:


Makes no sense at all what you said. Explain how greenies are greedy while those who pollute aren't?
sarcasm should explain it.
Quoting mara0921:
I knew it was bad when I turned on Channel 7 news in Miami this morning and they show the big thermometor on Lincoln Road showing 35 degrees. I immediately do outside ( after 5 minutes of dressing ) and my thermometor reads 31 degrees and my car and all the other cars are covered in frost and the grass is crunchy from the the sprinklers overnight, and Im in Fort Lauderdale

That's not too bad. Bad is when you let the dog out this morning, get ready for work and head back to let the dog in and he's already taken your side of the bed. How you ask? My wife cat can unlock and open the sliding glass door. So we enclosed the patio and put in one of those RF collor controlled doggy doors. All three cats are in their kitty condo in the bedroom! So the cat must have seen the dog at the sliding glass door and let him in. My complaint is I can't teach the cat to close the door! : )
Quoting caneswatch:


Makes no sense at all what you said. Explain how greenies are greedy while those who pollute aren't?


I forgot to turn the "heavy sarcasm" switch on. I was being sarcastic to the highest degree.
Some spots on Long Island received 3 inches of snow, and still counting. It made sense for a band of snow to develop in back of the potent low, this is why I never backed down on my forecast for some snowy surprise for the East Coast. On to the next potential Big Daddy storm.. Really depends how the blocking pattern turns out, the 06Z GFS takes the EURO track, too far east. The DGEX (NAM) model run which did an outstanding job on the previous storm, takes it too far east. Gonna have to see what happens, still days away and things can change. I'm hoping this turns out to be a decent snowstorm to fill the dreams of the kids and people who want a White Christmas. They had one last year, hopefully they get a double dose.
Quoting reedzone:
Some spots on Long Island received 3 inches of snow, and still counting. It made sense for a band of snow to develop in back of the potent low, this is why I never backed down on my forecast for some snowy surprise for the East Coast. On to the next potential Big Daddy storm.. Really depends how the blocking pattern turns out, the 06Z GFS takes the EURO track, too far east. The DGEX (NAM) model run which did an outstanding job on the previous storm, takes it too far east. Gonna have to see what happens, still days away and things can change. I'm hoping this turns pout to be a decent snowstorm to fill the dreams of the kids and people who want a White Christmas. They had one last year, hopefully they get a double dose.


Reed! How did you fare this morning with temps?
Quoting hurricanejunky:


I forgot to turn the "heavy sarcasm" switch on. I was being sarcastic to the highest degree.


Sigh, I hate it when that happens........
Quoting hurricanejunky:


Reed! How did you fare this morning with temps?


I'm originally from NY, sure it was cold, but I'm not dressed up like Eskimos as other people are here. In answer to your question, I fared well :)
Quoting caneswatch:


Sigh, I hate it when that happens........


Who are you arguing with now?
Quoting Grothar:


Who are you arguing with now?


No one, just got fooled into a sarcastic post LOL
Quoting reedzone:


I'm originally from NY, sure it was cold, but I'm not dressed up like Eskimos as other people are here. In answer to your question, I fared well :)


What I meant was what did you get down to there? I'm sure your northern blood served you well LOL!
Quoting caneswatch:


No one, just got fooled into a sarcastic post LOL


Sarcasm, on this blog? What next?
Quoting caneswatch:


Sigh, I hate it when that happens........


Sorry I duped you! It's all cleared up now though, right?
Quoting hurricanejunky:


What I meant was what did you get down to there? I'm sure your northern blood served you well LOL!


I think we went down to 25, which was our forecast low.. Gotta check out the records though. Just found the actual low.. 23.5 F
Quoting reedzone:
Some spots on Long Island received 3 inches of snow, and still counting. It made sense for a band of snow to develop in back of the potent low, this is why I never backed down on my forecast for some snowy surprise for the East Coast. On to the next potential Big Daddy storm.. Really depends how the blocking pattern turns out, the 06Z GFS takes the EURO track, too far east. The DGEX (NAM) model run which did an outstanding job on the previous storm, takes it too far east. Gonna have to see what happens, still days away and things can change. I'm hoping this turns out to be a decent snowstorm to fill the dreams of the kids and people who want a White Christmas. They had one last year, hopefully they get a double dose.


A lot of local NWS stations discounted the NAM on the last system, and I did as well. But all in all, it had the storm pegged.
Quoting Grothar:


Sarcasm, on this blog? What next?


A-hurricane-will-hit-the-US-in-January talk lol
Quoting reedzone:
Some spots on Long Island received 3 inches of snow, and still counting. It made sense for a band of snow to develop in back of the potent low, this is why I never backed down on my forecast for some snowy surprise for the East Coast. On to the next potential Big Daddy storm.. Really depends how the blocking pattern turns out, the 06Z GFS takes the EURO track, too far east. The DGEX (NAM) model run which did an outstanding job on the previous storm, takes it too far east. Gonna have to see what happens, still days away and things can change. I'm hoping this turns out to be a decent snowstorm to fill the dreams of the kids and people who want a White Christmas. They had one last year, hopefully they get a double dose.
Reed, have you any notion from model observations about how the next batch of energy out west should impact MN?
1st-hand account of weather-related problems on a cruise in the Mediterranean from a friend

We started encountering some thunder storms and bad weather while in Rhodes, Greece. Apparently, they get over 300 days of sunshine a year so this was a bit strange. The bad weather followed us on the Mediterranean while we traveled from Rhodes to Egypt. It continually built until we were in a pretty bad situation. We hit 90mph winds and 35 foot seas. Over half of the cruise ship is sea sick.

Outside of Alexandria (our Egyptian port) we encountered a traffic jam of ships waiting to enter the closed harbor. Our captain was forced to decrease speed and change course to avoid the many jogging tankers. We took about 90 straight seconds of 15 degree rolls (that's a lot) at 3am. Everything in our cabin and the ship went flying back and forth (this is what I picture an earthquake feeling like). We were sliding back and forth across our room on our bed. Many of the common areas on the ship are destroyed. Broken glass, holes in the walls, etc... Almost all of the glasses and plates in the dining areas are broken. Some passengers were injured but I haven't heard of any serious incidents yet.

Today, we stood in line for an hour to eat cold cuts and rolls off of paper plates. Our captain informed us that the weather would continue for the next couple of days and the port would remain closed. So we're not going to spend two days in Egypt (Cairio, The Nile, Pyramids, etc...). Instead, we're heading to Malta a day early so we can get out of this storm. Everyone is massively disappointed.

The guests are getting pretty angry. Over half of the common areas on the ship are closed so there's little else to do except sit in your room moving up and down with the waves. It feels like you're on a roller coaster that you can't get off of. They have about 4 TV shows on a loop and all of the live shows/entertainment have been cancelled. The casino is in ruins after many of the slot machines toppled over. I've heard rumors that this is the worst weather and damage the cruise line has ever sustained.

We're heading out of the storm now and things seems to be improving. It will be very nice to get to Malta and onto stable land.

Update: We should be getting to Valetta, Malta this afternoon. The seas were calm last night and everyone got some much needed sleep. However, the weather has taken another rough turn. We are again traveling through 70mph winds and large waves – although no where near as severe as the past couple of days.

The ship credited back all of our excursions for Egypt and credited everyone on board an additional $200 to spend as they like. That would be great if any of the casinos, bars, stores were open to spend that money. There are now petitions going around amongst the guests asking for their money back. There's a real mutiny vibe going on here. We're not allowed outside or on the top floors of the boat. Combining this with all of the activity and location cancellations there's really not a lot to do. It's like being trapped in my bedroom but with much less TV options and everything is moving.

Apparently, there have been some news reports on CNN and other news outlets about the cruise. We have seen some reports on BBC showing all of the closed ports and even some video of Alexandria, Egypt shoreline getting battered by the storm. Literally, waves were washing away some of the buildings on the coast. I guess it's good that we moved on to Malta a couple of days early.
749. Minnemike

No, it doesn't end in 1997, but what appears to be a cycle did end and a new cycle started, if it validates over the next 20-30 years.

Again, take it however you might. It's just an observation. You may not place any significance on it, and no one is forcing you to.

Also, data is not GISS. It is the complete satellite temperature record from UAH.

GISS is an inferior data set due to lack of spacial coverage. Why we sent the birds up in the first place... to get better data.

We'll see how the obs play out over the next 10-30 years to see if there is, in fact, another spike upwards.

While there are many that seem 100% certain of another spike, I don't know if there will or won't be. Again, just an observation.

Need more data. There is no conclusion to be drawn from it, other than a spike will be necessary in the next 30 years or the IPCC prediction is pretty much toast.

We shall see, but I'm leaning towards flat to downward for the next 30 years based on the GISS/UAH melded data from 1880-2009. i.e., GISS data pre-1979 and UAH for 1979 forward. I'll do another similar to the analysis as above. From 1940 or so through about 1979 when the satellite record began, the trend is flat to slightly downward. Sorry don't have my data set handy here at work, but here's the full record.

My blog has an explanation of the below graph. Again, just an observation. I don't claim to know either way. The observations will show. If I had to bet my life on it, I'd go with 1998-2048 or so being flat like 1935-1985. Really pretty flat, by eye, 1935-1997.

the presence of an outlier year is not automatically an indicator of a cycle. in fact, that shouldn't even be inferred by the latest UAH graph shown on you last post Seastep. you seem to me to be seeing what you want to see, so i have a hard time taking you on your word about waiting for the data to pan out before you take a stance. honestly, i think your stance is taken as evidenced by your playful use of data. i wouldn't exactly agree that you've let it speak for itself.
9 of the 50 years 35-85 fall below the average line on your graph. Even during your "lull" 22 of the 50 are on or above the rising trend line. None of the last 20 years even reach down to the average temperature, black line.
The first half of the graph is below the line, the second half is above, and you are still seeing flat. Seastep, You are one committed climate conservative.
I am open to opposing points of view, but using this graph to prove your point, is a bad choice.