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Green Bay vs. Siberia: comparing Poles of Cold

By: Dr. Jeff Masters, 5:02 PM GMT on January 20, 2008

Sure, it's cold in football's Pole of Cold--Green Bay, Wisconsin--where game time temperatures for today's NFC Championship Game will be lucky to crack zero degrees Fahrenheit, making it the third coldest NFL playoff game ever. Yeah, those crazy bare-chested Green Bay fans sure look pretty tough in that extreme cold, but they are total wimps compared to the people living in Siberia's Pole of Cold--Ojmjakon, Russia. The temperatures in Ojmjakon this weekend fell to -76°F, making the game being played in Green Bay seem like a summer tea party.

This weekend's -76°F reading was not very unusual for Ojmjakon (also spelled Oymyakon), which is considered to be the coldest inhabited town on earth. Ojmjakon also reached -76°F in both 2007 and 2005. The city lies in a river valley in eastern Siberia, and the cold air pools at night in the bottom of the valley, creating ridiculously low temperatures. On February 6, 1933, an absolute minimum of -67.7°C (-89.9°F) was registered in Oymyakon, putting the city in a virtual tie with the -67.8°C (-90.0°F) measured at Verkhoyank, Siberia on January 15, 1885. These are the two coldest temperatures ever measured on earth, outside of Antarctica. On January 26, 1926, a astonishing -71.2°C (-96.2°F) was measured at Ojmjakon. However, this temperature is unofficial, since the temperature was not directly measured, but obtained by extrapolation.


Figure 1.The world's coldest inhabited city, Ojmjakon, Russia, lies in a river valley in eastern Siberia. Image credit: Google.

According to Chris Burt's Extreme Weather: A Guide and Record Book, supply trucks servicing the area must never turn off their engines in winter. If the engine block freezes, truckers light a fire underneath it to warm it up. When the temperature falls below -58°F (-50°C), ice crystals in the atmosphere make a swishing sound called the "whispering of the stars". What's it like at -80°? Again, Chris Burt's book provides some insight. Two weather observers at the Snag airport in the Yukon of Canada experienced -81.4°F on February 3, 1947, and reported:

"We threw a dish of water high into the air, just to see what would happen. Before it hit the ground, it made a hissing noise, froze, and feel as tiny round pellets the size of wheat kernels. Spit also froze before hitting the ground. Ice became so hard the axe rebounded from it. At such temperatures, metal snapped like ice; wood became petrified; and rubber was just like cement. The dogs' leather harness couldn't bend or it would break...It was unique to see a vapor trail several yards long pursuing one as he moved about outside. Becoming lost was of no concern. As an observer walked along the runway each breath remained as a tiny motionless mist behind him at head level. These patches of human breath fog remained in the still air for three or four minutes before fading away. One observer even found such a trail still marking his path when he returned along the same path 15 minutes later".

Jeff Masters

Winter Weather

The views of the author are his/her own and do not necessarily represent the position of The Weather Company or its parent, IBM.

Reader Comments

Thanks for the update. right now I am in balmy Delaware with a temp of 24 degrees
Also, 24 is not balmy. Its cold as ice. You are balmy. Your weather is beastly !
Dr. Master's,
I love the way you squeezed football and the weather into the same paragraph on this blog.
Though I not quite sure what football has to do with the weather. Interesting comparison. :-))))
I am back :)
I will post some pictures from the Cancun Vacation shortyly :)

Storm W did a forecast for me for the entire vacation. He did the forecast before we left (Jan 5th) and gave a daily forecast for the period Jan 5 - 19.

Of the 14 days he forecast, he was close enough to be right on all but one day. Even the official forecast in Cancun didn't do that well.

Storm W, my compliments on your skills. You might want to give the guys in Cancun a helping hand, they had problems with the forecast day to day.

What happened to older data? I remember not too many years ago (maybe 2003, 2004) it hit -84 in Ojmjakon (saw it on WU), but it looks like data from that period is no longer here
Hey you want to here about how accurate The Weather Channel is on their reporting? I just heard them talking about the city temperatures including the temperature at Green Bay. They reported the temperature as 26 degrees F, but according to WU's link to Green Bay, the actual temperature is 0.7 degrees F. What a hoot.
Geeze, who in their right mind would live there?
The Weather Channel's views on Global Warming have been disappointing. So much so that the original founder resigned being SEO.
Long range forecast has been updated on the Southeast Weather blog.
Link
Hey Mobal, you talking about Ojmjakon, Russia or about Green Bay, WI?
Now we need a comparison with Vostok!
To paraphrase a local used car dealer, It's up to fifty percent colder than you ever thought possible.
Geez. I've been posting all afternoon on the old blog because when I refreshed only that one showed up. I had to reload the whole page . . . .

We had our frontal passage here, and temps are now "like A/C" LOL i. e. it finally feels a little more like winter . . ..
I am not sure I could psychologically handle temperatures as low as those. Lowest I have know in Bedford UK was -14 C (1986) and that was creepy enough.
Special CBS news one hour show on Jim Hansen's censorship by the white house starting now.
Dr.Masters,
Thank you for the below 0 update amazing facts and scary unearthly stories.
I saw part of the CBS story. I thought they did a good job of illustrating the changes in global weather / ice coverage that have given scientists cause for concern.

Something I thought about while watching the show tonight was the fact that in the mid-70s scientists were concerned about a global cooling pattern. I also recently read (on the blog?) that the long-term warming trend seen in the last while has been unusual, so that a move towards global COOLING would have seemed more logical if one was considering the global historic trend. The other thing that came to mind was the negative feedback concept - i. e. that massive global warming on the scale projected by scientists could result in a midrange (say 200 years?) snap back into an early ice age.

Lots of interesting ideas out there. I do think the loss of the glaciers is pretty sad.
Man wind chill here is -15
Hansen has never shut up.

There's only one thing funnier than Hansen crying censorship

and that's CBS reporting it. LOL
First time poster, long time reader...

I experienced -49F in January, 1994 in Vermont. There is nothing you can do to stay warm in that kind of cold - I thought my teeth were going to break, they were chattering so hard!

I used to think it would be novel to experience -40 since that's the only point on both the Farenheit and Celsius scales where the numerical reading is the same...let me just say, it wasn't novel, it was miserable!
Cold like that described above is unimaginable to me; I have only experienced a few below zero days in my life, and none since 1999 (seems like it can no longer get colder than the mid-single digits nowadays, like this morning when it was 5 degrees; it used to be that it would drop to zero or below several times a year; the all-time record low is also -23 degrees).
Given the thread topic, I am reposting an old recollection of FROZEN FOG from 9 JAN 2004:

Having to be up and out early for an appointment, it was minus-22 degrees, and learned something new about cold weather! All the way into Burlington I drove through freezing fog [actually, it was "ice fog"]. It looks sort of like fine blowing snow, only it's not moving. So it's a little like driving in regular fog, except that the exhaust from the car ahead of you keeps billowing up across your windshield into the bargain. The waterfall in Winooski included massive amounts of this ice fog billowing up and up. As you know, ordinary fog burns off as the sun hits it. But, when the sun hits ice fog, the fog crystalises into tiny specks of ice so light that they filter down to the ground every which way. Since it's too cold for them to melt together even after they fall, when a breeze brushes the surface of the ground they scatter up about 12 feet or so, then filter back down again...like minuscule feathers. It's utterly beautiful. Nature seems to compensate with beauty even as it adds harshness. No need to travel to the warm climates for spiritual renewal; we have our white desert here!
Welcome GAWeatherAfficionado!

It helps if you are here from the start of the season, because you slowly acclimate to the cold day by day.

We are from New England and have lived in NW VT for 27 years. Just before moving here in February 1981, however, we lived for a year in Virginia. December 1980, we came north to be with family for the holidays. When we left Virginia, it was 72 degrees. When we reached Maine that evening, it was minus-40. That's quite a transition for the body! Too much.

Now that we're here in Vermont to stay, I have to say that I love the winter. I appreciate two weeks of minus temperatures because it kills off a lot of bad germs and we don't get poisonous snakes, spiders or scorpions. It also keeps the land a bit less populated. All good.

Besides, there's nothing like looking out back during a storm and finding a flock of Snow Buntings taking refuge at your feeders!

Ex-Cyclone Funa weather warnings.

Hi All,

The extra-tropical low that was Cyclone Funa has bypassed the top of the North Island of NZ, we only got a bit of wind and a bit of rain, and Singapore-like temperatures and humidity.

However the lower North Island and the South Island are now under numerous weather warnings as the low is expected to track across the middle of the South Island from north-west to south-east. Click here for more details. The west coast will get heavy rain from Taranaki down to South Westland, and the east coast will be subject to storm force winds from Hawkes Bay down to South Canterbury.

Fortunately this is a scenario that we in NZ are very familiar with, as mid-latitude lows cross from west to east just south of NZ all the time, and the majority of the rain will fall in areas that are used to the amounts that are predicted to fall. The winds that are predicted (gusts to 130kph - 80mph) are unusually strong, but not completely unheard of in these areas.

Hopefully quite a bit of rain will also make it to the east coast of the South Island, they really need it down there.

David.
Ex-Cyclone Funa weather warnings.

Hi All,

The extra-tropical low that was Cyclone Funa has bypassed the top of the North Island of NZ, we only got a bit of wind and a bit of rain, and Singapore-like temperatures and humidity.

However the lower North Island and the South Island are now under numerous weather warnings as the low is expected to track across the middle of the South Island from north-west to south-east. Click here for more details. The west coast will get heavy rain from Taranaki down to South Westland, and the east coast will be subject to storm force winds from Hawkes Bay down to South Canterbury.

Fortunately this is a scenario that we in NZ are very familiar with, as mid-latitude lows cross from west to east just south of NZ all the time, and the majority of the rain will fall in areas that are used to the amounts that are predicted to fall. The winds that are predicted (gusts to 130kph - 80mph) are unusually strong, but not completely unheard of in these areas.

Hopefully quite a bit of rain will also make it to the east coast of the South Island, they really need it down there.

David.
Sorry for the double-post guys, I had an IE error first time round so I posted again.

Anyway here's a link to a useful 6 hr look at the rain radar over NZ, most of the rain is in the central areas at the moment.
Thanks, Dave.

I've been reading about NZ disasters and volcanos all night LOL.
Why Green Bay vs. Siberia? Siberia doesn't have a football team playing with short-sleeve shirts
Good Morning to all,

....SYNOPSIS....

GULF OF MEXICO/NORTHWEST ATLANTIC OCEAN WEST OF 50W....

A very strong 1042 centered over West Virginia at 36N/80W remains the dominate weather feature across the region. The high is producing subsidence and fair weather over the Southeast United States and north-northeast gale-force winds over the Gulf of Mexico. Downstream of this offshore flow, overcast to broken low clouds cover the Gulf of Mexico and the Mexican coastal lining. Upper level cirrus spikes from 100W to 93W between 20N and 25N. Additional moisture is seen in the far corners of the Southeastern Gulf where post-frontal moisture is being pulled by upper level winds in the left entrance region of an upper ridge over the Caribbean.

A swath of scattered cloudiness and showers extends from the Northern Bahaman Islands through 30N/70W. This activity is associated with a cold frontal boundary that continues to push off to the east. Broken to overcast cold air stratocumulus are found within 230 nmi behind the front. A weak surface pressure gradient has develop across the Atlantic ahead of the front due to a col. Mesoscale globes of stratocumulus are still seen moving within what's left of the previous flow. Otherwise, fair weather dominates north of the Islands from the front to 55W.

CENTRAL AMERICA AND THE CARIBBEAN REGION....

Scattered cloudiness and showers are found over the Northwest Caribbean in association with a surface stationary front. Meanwhile, additional moderate to heavy showers...no thunderstorms...continues to plague the Northeast Caribbean with one beautiful Saturday turning into a wet and cold Sunday. This activity is associated a surface trough that is tied to the back end of a deep non-tropical low just south of the Azores! Elsewhere, an upper level ridge will maintain a relatively dry weather pattern. Trades are from the northeast near 10-20 knots with the strongest along the Colombian Coast. This is producing 4-7 ft seas over most parts and 12 ft in the Southwest Caribbean.


by W456
Gm all,hope everyone is staying warm,now that we are in the heart of the winter,next 3-4 wks are the traditionally the coldest of the winter.
Can anyone explain this advisory off the coast of New york

COASTAL WATERS FORECAST...UPDATED
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE UPTON NY
609 AM EST MON JAN 21 2008
MONTAUK POINT NEW YORK TO SANDY HOOK NEW JERSEY OUT 20 NM OFFSHORE
INCLUDING LONG ISLAND SOUND...LONG ISLAND BAYS AND NEW YORK HARBOR
ANZ335-212315-
/O.EXP.KOKX.SC.Y.0010.000000T0000Z-080121T1100Z/
/O.CON.KOKX.LO.Y.0002.080121T2000Z-080122T0100Z/
LONG ISLAND SOUND WEST OF NEW HAVEN CT/PORT JEFFERSON NY-
609 AM EST MON JAN 21 2008

LOW WATER ADVISORY REMAINS IN EFFECT FROM 3 PM THIS AFTERNOON TO
8 PM EST THIS EVENING
NE,

Blow-out tides.

Thanks sw,never saw that warning before
morning. LES was a bust for me. it stayed well to my south and North East...I got Snow # 16 Saturday morning, about 3 inches...just enough to count :oP
Lake,a couple of areas north of you really got it,saw on the news,there was a little ribbon of heavy snow north of rochester,had to close a couple of highways due to poor visibility.
Southeast weather Blog has been updated.

Link
Very interesting report today Jeff! Thanks for all your blogging!
ok, now the winds are veering from the SW and The full fetch of Lake erie is directly upwind from me. snow is light right now, we'll see I I get a dose right here.
Happy Martin Luther King Day everyone!!!
Still very cold there
Ojmjakon Forecast Wednesday Night
Overcast. Low: -74° F. / -59° C. Wind light.
Good afternoon

It sounds like you are getting another snow count Lake. I might get one on Tuesday. It is the coldest day of the season, but for the middle of January, 15F isn't bad at all. Only have another 12 days until Punxsutawney Phil makes his forcast for the rest of the winter. Any way you look at it, it is less than eight weeks. Have a great day.
Great blog today. It interesting to see how people survive in those kind of temps.
Border States Hit Really Deep Freeze
Jan 21 12:24 PM US/Eastern



PORTLAND, Maine (AP) - Temperatures dropped to breathtaking levels, well below zero, in extreme northern sections of Maine early Monday.
Thermometers registered 34 degrees Fahrenheit below zero at Van Buren, 27 below at Presque Isle and 26 below at Allagash, the National Weather Service reported.

In the northern Rockies, Butte, Mont., registered 32 below at 8 a.m.%u2014with a wind chill of minus 47, the weather service said.

Another of the nation's usual cold spots, International Falls, Minn., managed only 16.1 below zero, but even after the sun came up its temperature of 14 below combined with 6 mph wind for a wind chill of 29 below zero, according to a weather service Web site.

As the cold air blew across Lake Ontario, it picked up enough moisture to produce 3 feet of lake-effect snow Sunday in New York's Oswego County. The roof of a public works garage holding snow removal equipment collapsed early Monday in Fulton, N.Y., under the weight of 37 inches of snow, and the town declared a state of emergency. The region at the east of Lake Ontario often gets heavy lake-effect snow.

"We're digging out," said state police Sgt. Edwin Croucher in Fulton. He reported multiple accidents caused by the storm but no serious injuries.


Heavy snow in China causes deaths and damage
Very interesting blog. Thank you
Most of the nation is shivering,we in the northern area adapt to it,but the south can't be enjoying this.
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE PAGO PAGO
HURRICANE STATEMENT - TROPICAL DEPRESSION 11
600 AM SST MON JAN 21 2008



...A GALE WATCH REMAINS IN EFFECT FOR TUTUILA...AUNUU AND MANUA ISLANDS FOR MONDAY NIGHT AND TUESDAY...

...NEW INFORMATION...

TROPICAL DEPRESSION 11F WAS RELOCATED NEAR 15.0 SOUTH 167.0 WEST OR
ABOUT 150 NM EAST OF MANUA AT 500 AM SST MONDAY. TROPICAL DEPRESSION
11F IS FORECAST TO MOVE CLOSER TO PAGO PAGO THIS EVENING WHILE IT
CONTINUES TO INTENSIFY BEFORE MOVING SOUTHWARD TUESDAY. AN ACTIVE TROUGH
FROM TROPICAL DEPRESSION 11F WESTWARD ACROSS THE SAMOA GROUP TO FUTUNA
WESTWARD WILL REMAIN NEARLY STATIONARY BEFORE MOVING SOUTHWARD SLOWLY
TUESDAY.

...AREAS AFFECTED...

THIS STATEMENT RECOMMENDS ACTIONS TO BE TAKEN BY RESIDENTS OF TUTUILA...
AUNUU AND MANUA ISLANDS IN PREPARATION FOR TROPICAL DEPRESSION 11F.

...WATCHES AND WARNINGS...

A GALE WATCH REMAINS IN EFFECT FOR TUTUILA..AUNUU AND MANUA FOR MONDAY
NIGHT AND TUESDAY. A GALE WATCH MEANS WINDS OF 40 TO 50 MPH COULD
DEVELOP WITHIN AFFECTED ISLANDS IN 24 TO 36 HOURS.

...STORM INFORMATION...
TROPICAL DEPRESSION 11F WILL CONTINUE TO INTENSIFY AND MOVE CLOSER
TO PAGO PAGO THIS EVENING BEFORE MOVING SOUTHWARD TUESDAY.

...PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...
ALL RESIDENTS OF AMERICAN SAMOA ARE ASKED TO PLEASE TAKE NECESSARY
ACTIONS TO PROTECT LIFE AND PROPERTIES.
could use a little global warming out in the west.
3rd WINTER STORM HITTING N.C

Winter weather adivisories ae in effect.

Tuesday morning mix of sleet/freezing rain changing to all rain by afternoon then changing to snow by night.
where?
An area of convection (96P) located near 16.0S 165.5W or 315 NM east-southeast of Pago Pago, American Samoa. Animated Multispectral Satellite Imagery continues to indicate multiple low level circulation centers embedded within an area of sharp troughing and a slowly consolidating depression. A SSMI Image depicts two distinct areas of deep convection forming along the convergent western and eastern quadrants. Quikscat Image showed a define, broad low level circulation center with 15-20 knots unflagged winds located within a large cyclonic circulation. Surface Observations from Pago Pago indicates surface low pressure near 999 mb with 24 hours falls of 3 mb and sustained winds at 20 knots.

Upper level environment appears fair with broad, divergent flow across the low level circulation centers and moderate vertical wind shear. After the next 24 hours, the models indicate an improving environment with a developing anticyclone over the low level circulation center as well as improved poleward outflow ahead of a deepening upper level trough.

Maximum sustained winds near the center is 20-25 knots with a minimum sea level pressure of 996 mb. Based on the slowly improving organization and marginal environment, the potential of this disturbance to form into a significant tropical cyclone within the next 24 hours is upgraded to FAIR.
One day ill take a picture of the eastern slopes of the Blue Ridge Mountains in N.C.


Anyone know how to add your portrait?I click that box and uploaded it like 3times.
CNN) -- Bitter cold gripped most of the United States on Monday, with temperatures dipping below normal from coast to coast.

Temperatures in the Upper Midwest and Northern Plains were about 30 degrees below normal, CNN meteorologist Bonnie Schneider said.

"It's very hard to find any part of the country that's warm," Schneider said.

In Presque Isle, Maine, the overnight low dropped to 27 below zero, according to the National Weather Service. Monday's high in extreme northern Maine was not expected to make it up to zero, the service said, and the wind chill made it feel much colder.

In Butte, Montana, the temperature at 10 a.m. (noon ET) was 20 below zero, up from an overnight low of 32 below.

The cold hampered firefighting efforts in Lawrence, Massachusetts, where firefighters had to deal with frozen hydrants and frigid temperatures during a seven-alarm fire.

The pre-dawn blaze destroyed a dozen homes and sent one person to a hospital, the city's fire chief said.

Firefighters in Butler County, Pennsylvania, had a similar problem, CNN affiliate WPXI-TV in Pittsburgh reported. Water sprayed on a fire turned to ice as soon as it hit the ground, creating a slipping hazard, a fire official told the station.

Icy temperatures in Fort Collins, Colorado, forced organizers to move their celebration of the Martin Luther King Jr. holiday indoors, CNN affiliate KMGH-TV in Denver reported.

Heavy lake-effect snow blanketed parts of upstate New York.

In Fulton, New York, near Syracuse, deep snow collapsed the roof of a Department of Public Works garage, according to CNN affiliate WSYR-TV in Syracuse. The people inside escaped unharmed, but snowblowers and salt trucks needed for snow removal were stuck inside the damaged building, the station reported.

More snow was in the forecast for the region -- possibly up to 12 inches.

Snow also was expected in Chicago, Illinois, and other areas near Lake Michigan. Weather was blamed for flight delays of up to an hour and 45 minutes at Chicago's O'Hare International Airport and an hour at Salt Lake City International Airport in Utah.

The National Weather Service issued a winter storm warning until 5 a.m. ET Tuesday for parts of Michigan. The service said snowfall could top 8 inches in some areas.
Good Day to all,

....SYNOPSIS....

GULF OF MEXICO/NORTHWEST ATLANTIC OCEAN WEST OF 50W....

The Western extent of a high-pressure ridge over the Atlantic is producing 10-20 knot return flow over the Gulf of Mexico. A combination of upper diffluence associated with the westerlies and a surface trough across Central Gulf is producing scattered showers and isolated thunderstorms mainly east of the trough axis between 90W and 80W from 22N to 27N. Additional mid-upper level moisture is moving across Texas and into the Gulf. This is associated with another surface trough being enhanced by the upper level westerlies. Expect another cold front to enter the Gulf of Mexico in the near-term bring additional moisture to the Gulf Coast States.

A stationary front goes from Western Cuba to 28N/65W...a cold front continues along 28N/60W 30N/50W. Showers are within 120 nmi either side of the frontal boundary which includes Western Cuba and the Bahamas. Elsewhere across the Western Atlantic...high-pressure stratocumulus globes are seen within the northeasterlies from 63W to 55W north of 20N.

CENTRAL AMERICA AND THE CARIBBEAN REGION....

THE main weather maker across the Caribbean this morning continues to be the easterly trades, which are blowing 20 knots, kicking up seas of 6-10 ft and advecting patches of low-level moisture across the region. The most prevalent moisture is seen across the Eastern Caribbean where globes of high-pressure stratocumulus are invading the area. In addition, debris moisture is noted across the Western Caribbean in conjunction with the surface trough and cold front.


by W456
Guilford County School Buses Parked until Roads Improve

Last Edited: Tuesday, 22 Jan 2008, 9:27 AM EST
Created: Tuesday, 22 Jan 2008, 8:47 AM EST

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GREENSBORO, N.C. -- Guilford County School bus drivers have been instructed to hold at a safe location until further notice. Buses will be released as soon as temperatures rise and road conditions improve, no later than 10 a.m., sooner if possible. Buses will run their engines to maintain heat while being held.


NOTE: School is not delayed
Below are reported traffic accidents around the area:

-- 20 car accident near I-85 at Mt. Hope Church Road.

-- A road block is setup on HWY 61 between Sockwell Rd & Bell Flower Rd in Gibsonville. Caller says the road is ice covered and police are making everyone turn around.

-- Accident near Southeast Middle School in Guilford County.

-- Wreck reported on Penny Road in High Point. Overturned car, firetrucks on scene.

-- Caller says there's an overturned car on Hwy 22 south at Grays
What I wouldn't give for temps in the 70's.
GM, Storm
62. NEwxguy 3:24 PM GMT on January 22, 2008
What I wouldn't give for temps in the 70's.
GM, Storm

Let me revise that statement,What I wouldn't give for temps in the 50's
We will eventually Storm,but its been a long winter already.
LOL


After a Cold Winter, Europe Asks the US to Increase Global Warming
power plant pollution


BRUSSELS — After suffering through a much colder than usual winter, leaders of the European Community have appealed to the United States to do more to increase global warming.

"We were mistaken in urging people to conserve energy," said one European official. "We thought that the planet was in danger of being flooded as global warming melted the polar ice caps, and that the villain was carbon dioxide emissions. But after freezing our behinds off this winter, we now know we were wrong, and that the Bush Administration was right in not signing the Kyoto Accord."

"As the world's only superpower, the US is the only nation that has the resources to fix the problem," continued the official. "We're still squabbling here among ourselves, unable to come up with a joint plan of action, so we need the US to bail us out again. We urge President Bush to do something about this."

The Bush Administration seemed ready to respond to fill the void. Vice President Bono said he was writing a new song entitled "Buy More SUVs."

"I ask myself what the late, great Dick Cheney would have done is this situation," said Bono. "He would have contacted Big Oil for advice, so that's what I'm going to do. Forget Africa, they can't help us fix this problem."

Secretary of State Barbra Streisand complained that no one took her seriously.

Former Secretary of State Colin Powell remained lukewarm to the idea of America acting unilaterally. "The Europeans should really do more and shoulder some of the burden," he said. "Also, I don't think we should act without going to the United Nations and getting a resolution from the Security Council."

But Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said, "Screw that. We'll go it alone. Instead of using technology to bury carbon dioxide underground, let's use it to release carbon dioxide from the earth and from the oceans. If we run short we could unfreeze the carbon dioxide ice caps on the moon and bring the gas back to Earth in space shuttles. Why, the shuttles don't even have to land on Earth. They could just dump the gas into the atmosphere as they break up on re-entry."

Jacques Ch-iraq warmly praised the US initiative. "Like my country, I am old, impotent and irrelevant," he said. "America is truly the world's leader."
MYTH: Recent cold winters and cool summers don’t feel like global warming to me.

FACT: While different pockets of the country have experienced some cold winters here and there, the overall trend is warmer winters.

Measurements show that over the last century the Earth’s climate has warmed overall, in all seasons, and in most regions. Climate skeptics mislead the public when they claim that the winter of 2003–2004 was the coldest ever in the northeastern United States. That winter was only the 33rd coldest in the region since records began in 1896. Furthermore, a single year of cold weather in one region of the globe is not an indication of a trend in the global climate, which refers to a long-term average over the entire planet.
Maybe this will help warm you up NE!
My local forecast:



This Afternoon: A 40 percent chance of showers. Mostly cloudy, with a high near 76. East wind around 10 mph.

Tonight: Patchy fog after 1am. Otherwise, mostly cloudy, with a low around 61. Southeast wind around 5 mph becoming calm.

Wednesday: Partly sunny, with a high near 78. Calm wind becoming east around 5 mph.

Wednesday Night: A 20 percent chance of showers. Patchy fog. Otherwise, mostly cloudy, with a low around 61. East wind around 5 mph becoming calm.

Thursday: A 20 percent chance of showers. Mostly cloudy, with a high near 76. Calm wind becoming west between 5 and 10 mph.

Thursday Night: Partly cloudy, with a low around 51. North northwest wind between 10 and 15 mph, with gusts as high as 20 mph.

Friday: Partly sunny, with a high near 69. Northeast wind around 15 mph, with gusts as high as 20 mph.

Friday Night: Mostly cloudy, with a low around 57. East wind around 10 mph.
Hey 456, I love it.........
Vort,doesn't make me feel warmer,but does increase the urge to get on a plane and fly south.
but does increase the urge to get on a plane and fly south.

Well come on down! There's always room for a few more people.
I know y'all have had a cold winter so far and I'm not bragging.
JP mentioned earlier a couple interesting points.
Geven that we are supposedly under the La Nina effect this winter....our weather in Florida has been absolutely the opposite of what we should expect.
While our temps in south FL right now are warm in relation to the rest of the US...we have actually had a cooler and much wetter winter than was forecast.
I was able to take a tour of one of NOAA's P-3 Research Platforms, a Lockheed WP-3D Orion and a hurricane hunter from the Air Force Reserve, the WC-130J.

I believe the NOAA plane was the one that was knocked out a couple of days from a rough ride earlier this year (because of Felex). The plane experieced to much positive and negative G's. I'm don't know for sure if it was this particular plane though.

I took pictures but, I have to get the film developed before I can post them.
Morning all :~)

Storm, Vort, 456, pot and everyone else %u263A

Look forward to the pics til

My bad, morning to you too NEwx, hope you're stayin' warm up there!
Japan Meteorological Agency

TROPICAL DEPRESSION
10.0N 115.0E - 25 knots 1006 hPa

Moving west at 10 knots

PAGASA

Weather Synopsis
===================
At 2 p.m. PST, a Low Pressure Area was estimated at 350 kms west of Palawan (10.6°N 115.7°E). Tail-end of a cold front affecting Luzon

Joint Typhoon Warning Center

Tropical Disturbance Summary 0900z 22Jan
========================================
An area of convection (92W) located near 10.4N 115.9E or 410 NM south-southeast of Nha Trang, Vietnam. Recent Enhanced Infrared Satellite Imagery shows a new burst of convection directly over the low level circulation center, As well as a continued area of persistent covergent in the northern semi-circle. A 20 knots surface wind observation was observed approximately one degree west of the system's center.

The upper level environment shows the low level circulation center in close proximity to a ridge axis allowing for low vertical wind shear and good diffluence aloft. Ocean Heat Content and sea surface temperatures are conducive for development.

Maximum sustained winds near the center is 15-20 knots with a minimum sea level pressure of 1007 mb. Due to the increasing convection over the low level circulation center, the potential of this disturbance to form into a significant tropical cyclone within the next 24 hours is upgraded to FAIR.
SJ we adapt,but it is getting old,hoping for a warmer February.
Vort,as we saw with the tropical season,the La Nina isn't the only factor that effects our weather,I saw the 90 day outlook and they are expecting the la nina conditions to continue into early spring and then slowly begin to ease.
Hey SJ....long time no talk!!!! 78 degrees and balmy here in Ft. Myers.

After a Cold Winter, Europe Asks the US to Increase Global Warming
power plant pollution


LOL!

Just curious, is that referring to this winter? I haven't heard anything about extreme cold (in fact, I have instead seen articles about unseasonal flowers blooming and stuff like that). And more flooding (i.e. rain, vs. winter precip), like that last summer, in the United Kingdom.
2 measureable snows in Atlanta so far this month. Yes, its been cold (below normal) across most the U.S. the past couple weeks.
Hi StormJunkie!


the La Nina isn't the only factor that effects our weather,I saw the 90 day outlook and they are expecting the la nina conditions to continue into early spring and then slowly begin to ease.


So true NE....but the hype that is given you would think it is the ONLY factor that makes our weather! LOL

I haven't seen a recent forecast that says easing in late Spring. All I have seen is no easing till at least next fall.
I must not be current.
The Wispering of the stars sounds amazing. I have heard a penny scream on dry ice, I have had my breath freeze and snow back down on me in Japan. It was odd to see my breath cloud kind of crumple as it froze.
I wonder if the wisper sounds as cool as the "snick" of a peppermint patty, when you break it.
And here I thought it was cool to see ice spouting out of a coke can as it froze like one of those carbon firework snakes. For a Florida boy, THAT is cold.
Scientists: Warm seas may mean fewer hurricanes

By Ken Kaye
Sun-Sentinel.com
12:56 PM EST, January 22, 2008

Following in the footsteps of an earlier study, government scientists on Tuesday said warmer oceans should translate to fewer Atlantic hurricanes striking the United States.

The reason: As sea surface temperatures warm globally, sustained vertical wind shear increases. Wind shear makes it difficult for storms to form and grow.

"Using data extending back to the middle 19th century, we found a gentle decrease in the trend of U.S. landfalling hurricanes when the global ocean is warmed up," Chunzai Wang, a physical oceanographer and climate scientist with NOAA's Atlantic Oceanographic and Meteorological Laboratory in Miami, said in a prepared statement.


Rest of Article



Hmmmm...Ever since we went "green" full throtle the world economy was fallen to terrible lows. Thanks a lot Mr. Gore, you're a superb economist as well as a scientist...
Let's all go green. Then we can all foreclose on our mortgages and live in cardboard boxes under balsa wood bridges...
Yes, its been cold (below normal) across most the U.S. the past couple weeks.

???



Doesn't look cold? Oh wait.... You are from South Florida right? which looks a little on the cool side? Just because it is a little cool where you are doesn't mean that it is cool everywhere (many, many people keep forgetting this, see Weather456's post (#67).

January 2008 so far:

AVERAGE MONTHLY: 34.1
DPTR FM NORMAL: 4.9

SNOW, ICE PELLETS, HAIL
TOTAL MONTH: 0.1 INCH


A couple pathetic cold snaps... and whatever happened to real winter weather? I mean sustained cold for months on end, huge blizzards (I have had only ONE day so far with even an inch of snow, far worse than the last two winters to this point, at least it was a lot of snow), etc?
RECORD - EVER!

Ok,after the cataclisms - really a lot of snow in Bulgaria,today was the most hottest day in the meteo history in Bulgaria!

17.6*
That article about a cold winter in Europe was apparantly from 2003 - though I think the post is misleading because it doesn't say so. Also it is from a site that carries satire, parody, and jokes...
the article is mock article......meant for humour
I'll be tracking this in the upcoming days

FORECASTS AND OBSERVATIONS SUPPORT A PREDICTION OF STRONG LA NINA CONDITIONS
FOR FMA 2008, FOLLOWED BY WEAKER LA NINA CONDITIONS THEREAFTER. THE CONSENSUS
OF MODEL FORECASTS FOR NINO 3.4 SSTS INDICATE THAT THE CURRENT SST ANOMALIES OF
BETWEEN 1 AND 2+ DEGREES C BELOW NORMAL WILL GRADUALLY DIMINISH DURING FMA AND
MAM (SPRING) 2008.
Vortfix,

I just read a similiar article in the Miami-Herald... Global Warming is casuing fewer Hurricanes to strike the U.S. Coast.

Kind of wierd since 2005 was a record breaking, land falling Hurricane/Tropical Storm kinda year. And last year was a record breaking Cat 5 and rapid instensification year for the Atlantic Hurricane Basin. I can't back anything up scientifically one way or the other. However, seems a little contradictoary to me.

But what are the experts on this blogs opinion?
Well Dakster....There's always on-going research regarding the ingredients of Hurricanes. Next week there could be some other paper released that totally contradicts the last one.

As far as the actual seasons are concerned....each season is different and unique and never the same as any other before.
It's just weather.
Anybody watchin the T Storms in the NE GOM?


1800z - JTWC 20kts 1007mb
- RSMC 25kts 1006hPa

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE TALLAHASSEE FL
235 PM EST TUE JAN 22 2008


SHOWER ACTIVITY HAS BECOME A BIT MORE ROBUST THIS AFTERNOON THAN WAS
EARLIER THOUGHT. 12Z NAM APPEARS TO BE PERFORMING THE BEST SHOWING A
MORE DEFINED SURFACE TROUGH OVER THE NORTH-CENTRAL GULF ALLOWING FOR
BETTER CONVERGENCE. NAM QPF FIELDS WERE SHOWING FAIRLY CONCENTRATED
SHOWERS OVER THE MARINE AREA UP INTO THE SOUTHERN HALF OF THE
FORECAST AREA. THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE BEEN SEEING AND UPDATED THE POPS
TO CLOSELY REPRESENT THIS NAM SOLUTION. EVEN ADDED ISOLATED THUNDER
TO PORTIONS OF THE AREA AS A FEW STRIKES HAVE BEEN DETECTED (DESPITE
VERY UNIMPRESSIVE INSTABILITY). OVER THE NORTHERN PORTIONS OF THE
AREA...SOME WEAK ISENTROPIC UPGLIDE ALONG THE 295-300K SURFACES
SHOULD BE ENOUGH TO PRODUCE SOME SCATTERED SHOWERS...HOWEVER
INSTABILITY SHOULD REMAIN LOW ENOUGH TO LEAVE THUNDER MENTION OUT OF
THE FORECAST.
Southeast weather Blog is updated.

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We have just had a week of unusually heavy rain (for January) and mild temperatures excluding Scotland. Winter mild relative to 15 years ago but typical of recent winters. We used to have risk of ground frost up to end-May and after begining of September. Now we don't get frost in May or until November, to teh improvement of the growing season. And yes, I remember the new ice age concerns in the 70's. Global warming could freeze the UK if the north atlantic drift switches off (has happened before, caused icebergs down to Portugal, pre-history though). Also, the rain bearing winds that feed the US grain belt apparently would only have to switch a few degrees in direction to catch the mountains and thereby loose the moisture, so who knows ?
98. N3EG
Hmmmm...Ever since we went "green" full throttle the world economy has fallen to terrible lows. Thanks a lot Mr. Gore, you're a superb economist as well as a scientist...

I blame Al Gore for: this winter, my refrigerator not defrosting, and polar bears eating Eskimos. Curse you, Inventor of the Internet!!!
Nothing I hate worse than a internet inventor.
Vortfix,

Why can't they just say, it's weather and every season is different for a whole bunch of reason we can't yet explain? (Rhetorical question)

No one has ever said, we just don't know at this point....
67. Weather456 11:26 AM EST on January 22, 2008
Measurements show that over the last century the Earth’s climate has warmed overall,
Furthermore, a single year of cold weather in one region of the globe is not an indication of a trend in the global climate, which refers to a long-term average over the entire planet.


MYTH: Scientists are able to establish a trend in global climate, using a 100year data base.

FACT: 100year trends are common. 100years of increasing temp, then 100years of decreasing temp.

FACT: No one on the face of this planet knows if we are all going to burn and die, or plunge into another ice age.


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Hi Drak, Storm, Vot, 456 and everyone else. It was 7 degrees here this morning. The 10" of snow from yesterday took me two hours to clear. I had to hop on here and see who is bragging about being warm! :o)

I was reading an article in National Geographic this morning and one of the comments about global warming and the drought in the south said that there will always be drought, there will always be storms and severe weather, but they will stike in different places than they have in the past.
but they will stike in different places than they have in the past.

Doesn't that sound like a typical weather forecast? LOL
TROPICAL WEATHER DISCUSSION
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
705 PM EST TUE JAN 22 2008

GULF OF MEXICO...
A SFC TROUGH HAS BEEN NEARLY STATIONARY OVER THE PAST 24 HOURS
IN THE CENTRAL GULF ALONG 89W. VIS IMAGES SHOW A NARROW
ELONGATED N-S ENVELOPE OF LOW-LEVEL TURNING ASSOCIATED WITH THIS
BOUNDARY. SHIP/BUOY OBS CLOSELY MATCH THE SATELLITE PRESENTATION
...INDICATIVE OF CYCLONIC TURNING AT THE SFC. A WEAK 1017 MB LOW
HAS BEEN ADDED
ALONG THE TROUGH AT 21Z NEAR 26N89W BETWEEN NW
WINDS REPORTED AT BUOY 42001 AND SE WINDS OBSERVED BY SHIP KRPB
AND A BUNCH OF OTHERS FARTHER N AND E.


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Tropical Invest 97S Update 1
Southwest Indian Ocean North of Madagascar

Issued 0000 UTC WED 23 Jan 2007 by W456

Tropical Invest centered near 10.0S-51.0E, drifting. Estimated surface winds are 20-30 knots and minimum central pressure is near 1008 mb. SSTs are 29-31C and wind shear is 10-20 knots.

A combination of methods was used to position the center, among them were extrapolation of QuikSCAT passes, satellite-derived low level winds and convergence, and numerical models. However, the biggest help of all was microwave imagery which supported these findings. The low level closed circulation is somewhat elongated and to the east of the convective mass due southeasterly vertical wind shear. The system is producing gale force gusts as seen on QuikSCAT. Pressure was estimated using numerical models. Global models do develop this system and conditions appear and should remain favorable for development. Also, something else that should be noted is that the models also develop a system in close vicinity to 97S and at that distance one storm will hinder the other's development process.


By W456


JTWC Stats:
97SINVEST.15kts-1010mb-103S-500E

but they will stike in different places than they have in the past.

Doesn't that sound like a typical weather forecast? LOL

Uuhhhhhh....Yes!
107. GBlet
Hey everybody! Coming to ya live from the center of the U.S. where it is colder than a well digger's butt. If it has to be this cold, then let there be snow because this is just plain mean. Looking forward to the weekend and 40 degree temps!
hello CatastrophicDL and Stormjunkie
supposed to hit -81°F in Ojmjakon on Thursday...Dr. M ...NICE BLOG!!!
We're having snow down to 1500 foot elevations here in the San Francisco Bay Area today and forecasted for the next few days. One might wonder where the global warming is.

However, I note on the NWS snow cover satellite coverage maps that the polar ice cap has not filled in as in years past, and that over the past several days, thawing is already creeping up along the Greenland coasts.

I might add that the current cold snap hereabouts is typical about this time of year, although its duration seems a bit extended, perhaps a paradoxical effect of global warming, perhaps affecting the upper wind flow pattern in a slightly atypical way.

TMan




though this track isn't INVEST.97S there is another possible development in the southwestern Indian Ocean.
Looks like the Eastern U.S will warm up next week while the Western States cool down.

No more snow for the south!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22782918/

Arab world shivers in unusual cold snap
Jordan's airport shut down by ice, other nations shiver as well

AMMAN, Jordan - The lone de-icing machine at Jordan's busy international airport worked frantically on Tuesday to clear planes for take off when a freak snowstorm blanketed this small desert country in a cold snap that has the whole region shivering.

Worst cold front since 1964
Meteorologists in the region are calling it the worst cold front since 1964 and attributing it to a high pressure zone in northern Europe that is forcing cold air into the Middle East.

The 10-day old cold front has also destroyed fruits and vegetables in the Jordan Valley, compounding worries that food prices will jump higher amid concerns about skyrocketing fuel prices as the government removes subsidies on basic commodities.
My take on GW -- I've lived here in the upper midwest my entire life (almost 40 years). I'm seeing changes consistent with GW models. Less snow cover, lengthened warm seasons, shorter winters, falling lake levels, more severe weather extremes (including 90 degree weather and F3 tornados in October this year). We've had 3 years in a row now where you could golf in January (albeit it would have been in a hard rainstorm this year!), after an entire life with no chance of that. From a selfish perspective, I like the shorter winters, but from a global perspective, it has me worried. Problem with not doing anything now: land-based ice cap collapses causing major rise in sea levels, causing millions to be misplaced (major population displacements throughout history always result in wars). I'm fully expecting in our lifetime -- only then will people realize evidence was right in front of our faces. I'm a bit cynical on this -- I don't expect necessary change until after a catastrophe (or two or three). Will you buy the GW arguments when the north polar region is ice free (which may now happen in the next decade)? Or only when half of the Greenland ice cap is floating in the North Atlantic? Or when NY and Miami are under water? Not sure what else people need to see to understand this is happening now. By the time we have "complete" evidence, it will be too late. I hope the sunspot researcher is right and that a prolonged cold snap is coming. Perhaps we'll get lucky and the CO2 and methane increases will be offset by low sunspot activity and we'll have a "soft landing". If not, start buying property at a line about 40 feet above sea level. Your grandkids will be rich in about 50 years.
Cycles. Solar activity. That's my abridged version. See the full one on my page if you like.
Good morning to all

....SYNOPSIS....

GULF OF MEXICO/NORTHWEST ATLANTIC OCEAN WEST OF 50W....

A stationary front roughly extends along the Texas border from New Mexico to the Gulf Coast...a cold front continues across the Northwest portion of the Gulf and into the Southeast United States. Most of the moisture along the front is in the form of scattered to isolated showers across Northern Mexico, the Gulf region north of 25N and Florida north of 26N. Elsewhere, a weak surface pressure pattern has developed leading to light-moderate variable winds and fair weather.

A stationary front cuts across the Atlantic along 27N/75W 26N/60W 30N/40W. While most of this feature is relatively inactive, upper divergence within the left entrance region of weak upper ridge is providing enough rising motion to produce vigorous shower and thunderstorm activity...as suggested by lighting data...from 70W to 65W north of 25N. Additional activity is invading the Western Atlantic west of 75W ahead of cold front pushing off the SE CONUS.

CENTRAL AMERICA AND THE CARIBBEAN REGION....

QuikSCAT and surface observations through 0900 UTC revealed trades have increase across the Caribbean east of 70W due to the distortion of a ridge in the Central Atlantic by the frontal boundary to the north. These trades are producing 7-8 ft seas with 12 ft seas across the Colombian Coast. ROABS from Kingston, Jamaica and Saint Maarten, Netherlands revealed a typical vertical profile of the Caribbean winter atmosphere...Mid-upper level dry westerlieres above moist surface easterlies...that correlates to mainly fair weather with periods of tradewind moisture across most parts. Unusually chilly weather can be expected across the far northeast Caribbean where cold air advection is taking place.

By W456
atmosphere in c/bean section should be troposphere.
WunderFul --

Selfishly, I'm not all that concerned with the drama of obvious catastrophe that may occur long after I'm dead. What concerns me is the series of relatively small disruptions that now seem likely to occur with increasing frequency over the next 10-20 years - events that, each taken alone, won't seem like much but may, collectively, have significant socio-economic consequences.

For instance, even a gradual sea level rise of just a few inches would result in a loss of shoreline sufficient to have a potentially significant disruptive effect on the ecology and economic activity of low-lying coastal areas such as ports, fisheries, recreation areas, etc., that will lead to population displacements and other effects that will need to be dealt with. Also, localized weather extremes, wet as well as dry, that could incrementally reduce the quality as well as quantity of grain harvests enough to further increase food prices (e.g., the wet spring a couple years back that unexpectedly reduced the Canadian wheat harvest by 15%).

Whether GW is anthropogenic or not, it seems unwise to focus on "disaster movie" effects that may occur 50 years hence while less cinematic near term consequences go ignored and unprepared for.
Come on JP more likely to get murdered in Orlando in the crossfire than a terrorist attack. Hope all is well.
I didn't say the Greenland cap would collapse tomorrow, but we might see some dramatic (and unanticipated) effects even in our short lifespans. What's funny is the comment that terrorism is a much greater current threat. Let's suppose that is true. Where are the terrorists getting their financial resources? Probably oil-related money and profits. How can you help get rid of terrorism? Find ways to cut back on the use of oil and other fossil fuels. Seems to me the two are highly related, and if we can address one, we also address the other. Short term and long term benefits. Find ways to replace the demand for oil -- reduce terrorism and the effects of GW at the same time. We just need some political (and personal) will to make it happen.
leftovers...I heard that, or was that a 9 millimeter??
127. 786
Hello, just checking in. Love the winters in the Caribbean, nice and cool. Terrorists god, more people have died in Iraq than during 9/11, many, many more people have died of starvation since and civil warfare than 9/11 since. So time to get over it really, its played out, the U.S. can't be a victim for life. And if you look up the definition of terrorist what do you think Bush is?? He fits the mold.
128. 786
The world is not a safe place wherever people exist, 9/11 is not that special in the light of what is going on in the world and what has. The administration has killed 100 times more poeple as a result so I think they have gotten their vengence. If you don't want terrorists then its also a good idea for the country not to fuel them.
130. 786
As for GW, morally if you break something, you should fix it. We have torn apart the balance of our planet so morally we are obliged to fix it, more so than worrying about killing other people. At the end of the day GW will take care of that, because the earth will come back as it always has, we are just making conditions unsustainable for human exiatence. And in our lifetimes we will see catastrophy as a result, the consequences will be much closer to home than you think and every single person in the world no matter what label people have created for them, no matter what religion, or what they do in life all people breathe the same air, all people are vunerable and can make a significant difference and should as one instaed of concentrate don petty human BS. Thats it from me have a nice day!
131. 786
Yeah JP it pisses me off, Bush is officially retarded. I hope that the Democrats can bring the country back and do something for the healthcare system and economy. Not sure who I like better though. Yeah sorry anytime that conversation comes up, I can't help myself...ok time for a cig.
I hope everyone rushing to vote Democrat won't hold the fantasy they are going to fix anything.Our two party system is broke,and neither party really has the desire to fix anything. Thats my cynical outlook for the day.
jp,I'm not jumping to conclusions,I've been around a long time and seen presidents come and presidents go,and realize now,that as long as we have a congress and senate that look at things through party lines,nothing ever gets accomplished.And yes things can get much worse,do not expect gas prices to go down no matter who gets in there.
nope dislike both parties,because they both have their own agenda,have been an independent all my life,trying to find the best candidate who do the best for the people,unfortunately haven't seen any in my life time.
138. 786
I agree, politics is full of it since it is run by people. But it really can't get much worse than it is now...unless McCain gets into office that is. I just hope that the states can start practising democracy instead of preaching it. I should clarify that I'm not Amercian, I'm Canadian and I know what free healthcare is like (well not in Cayman) but everyone deserves that right if they have to give up $$ in taxes. Everyone has a value no matter how much $$ they have. And the elections are so important now for everyone since the U.S. is so powerful and we are very much so effected by their decisions.
anyway heres hoping things do get better,and hoping we get out of Irag soon.
140. 786
Ok better get to work B4 I get in s%*t. Nice chatting w/u.
I know about insurance,I've watched my insurance costs go up,what is covered go down and now insurance companies tell you what medication you can have and how much,its a disaster,and I'm still waiting for a candidate to talk about how he plans on fixing it.
Me too 786,gotta do some work.jp I hope your right that things can't get much worse,but I don't see anything right now to fill me with any confidence.
Oh and heres hoping it warms up soon,thought I'd throw some weather into our conversation.
As a matter of fact, I was in Oymyakon on January the 19th, and according to the town's weather station, the temperature actually dropped to an amazing -66c, -87f. I don't know why it was reported to be -76f, but I suspect that it may be that the temperatures readings only go down to -60c. I have a pictures of the thermometer outside our hotel in Tomtor that shows a temperature of -65c on the morning of the 19 of January. Tomtor is about 25 miles away from Oymyakon and also has very cold temperatures.

I spent a day or so at -80 and would like to dispel some of the myths about those sort of temperatures alluded to in the original post.

First of all, you can indeed throw a cup of water in the air and it will dissipate in a cloud of steam, but it has to be really hot water. If you throw up a cup of cold water, it comes down as cold water. By the way, you can do this even at -40.

Spit does not freeze before it hits the ground.

I didn't hear anything that sounded like the "whispering of the stars" and I was in weather that was colder than -50c for many days.

However, the air is full of ice crystals which you cannot see during the day, but show up on a flash picture at night. These seem to appear at -40 or so.

Ice is not rock hard and immune to an axe chipping away at it. Ice behaves just like ice. We watched some guy chip away at the ice on the frozen Indgirka river in order to measure its depth, and I chipped at it for a while. It seemed to behave just like ordinary ice.

You can actually touch cold metal and your skin does not stick to it. However, after a few seconds it becomes too painfully cold to hold on to.

My camera worked just fine at those temperatures. I had it on a string around my neck under my coat and I would take it out periodically to take pictures with it. I detected no shortening of the battery life. The only thing I noticed was that after a while in the extreme cold, the LCD display began working very slowly.

I was out in the -80 temperatures for about an hour and put the camera in an outer coat pocket. When I tried to turn it back on, it wouldn't come on. After warming it up inside for while, it worked fine. The batteries were just fine.

Your breath does come out in a huge cloud but it goes away fairly quickly. It makes a slight hissing noise if you breathe out a lot as the water wapor in the breath freezes. I seriously doubt that it would still be around 15 minutes later. Cars and trucks make huge vapor trails behind them which last for several minutes. In cities, this never goes away because of the number of cars driving around. This is known as ice fog and on the trip, was evident only in the city of Yakutsk.