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From California to Virginia, Winter Storminess Will Gird the U.S. This Weekend

By: Bob Henson 5:05 PM GMT on January 06, 2017

Two storms carried by a powerful Pacific jet stream will play havoc with the lives of millions of Americans during the first full weekend of 2017. We can expect some of the heaviest wind-whipped rain and snow in years to strike parts of central California this weekend. In the Southeast, a significant belt of snow and/or ice will stretch from Atlanta to Norfolk, accompanied by high winds and bitter cold. The setups in both the East and West have the potential to produce localized record-setting amounts of rain and snow. Power outages in the Southeast could affect many thousands, while floods and avalanches will become a growing concern in California.


Figure 1. Winds at the jet-stream level (250 mb, or roughly 33,000 feet) were howling across the southern U.S. at speeds topping 120 mph in spots on Friday, January 6, 2017. The energy was undercutting a massive ridge of high pressure extending north into Alaska and eastern Siberia, with a weaker jet arcing above the ridge (top left). Image credit: Climate Reanalyzer/University of Maine.

California drenchin’
The atmospheric river predicted for days to strike the U.S. West Coast is still on track to arrive within about 100 miles of San Francisco Bay and proceed headlong into the Sierra Nevada over the weekend. Carrying vast amounts of moisture--more than four standard deviations above the mean--this onslaught of strong southwest flow should deliver widespread rains on the order of 4” or more from late Saturday into Monday across much of central California, including the cities of San Francisco and Sacramento. Single-day rainfall records include 5.59” for San Francisco International Airport (January 4, 1982; records go back to 1945) and 3.77” at Sacramento Executive Airport (October 13, 1962; records go back to 1941).

Where the flow impinges on mountains, the lower-elevation rain and higher-elevation snow will be phenomenal. As of Thursday, the new year (Sunday to Thursday) had already delivered 70” of snow to the Mt. Rose ski area, with 40” - 84” at Mammoth Mountain. A moderate avalanche risk will continue into at least Saturday, according to the Sierra Avalanche Center. Even with the snow level rising as warm, moist air is pumped in, the highest elevations of the Sierra will likely rack up several more feet of snow in just a day or two.

After the weekend system abates, at least two more significant winter storms could sweep across California during the following week, which will raise the potential for serious flooding. The National Weather Service in Sacramento is already noting that flood impacts in the area this weekend into early next week could be the worst since at least December 2005. The office warned in a tweet:

“Precipitation totals are forecast to be:
• once in a 10-25 year storm for areas SOUTH of I-80
• once in a 5-10 year storm for areas near and NORTH of I-80”



Figure 2. Precipitation totals predicted as of Friday morning, January 6, 2017, for the period from Saturday to Monday, Jan. 7-9. Image credit: NWS/Sacramento.

Complex winter storm across the Southeast
Ahead of California’s atmospheric river, another segment of the jet stream pushed Pacific moisture atop an Arctic air mass, producing heavy snow along Colorado’s Front Range. Boulder recorded 13.8” on Thursday, making it the city’s snowiest January day since 1962. The upper-level impulse continued racing across the Texas Panhandle and much of Oklahoma late Thursday, with several inches of fluffy snow on the ground from Amarillo to Oklahoma City by mid-morning and a second round of snow moving through the area.

A new low-level storm center organizing over the Gulf of Mexico on Friday will help wrap in moisture from the Gulf and Atlantic. The result will be a messy mix of wintry precipitation across much of the Southeast. Winter weather advisories for potential sleet and freezing rain extended to parts of southeast Louisiana and southern Mississippi, while the Atlanta area braced for 4” - 6” of snow expected late Friday. Even heavier snow could fall if the atmosphere chills down quickly enough, while a nose of warm air will favor sleet and cold rain closer to the Southeast coast.

The storm (dubbed Helena by The Weather Channel) will pack additional punch from the western and northern Carolinas into southeast Virginia. Widespread snowfall of 4” to 12” is expected across the region on Saturday, accompanied by strong winds and temperatures that will drop into the single digits by Monday morning. Experimental snowfall potential maps on Friday morning showed the risk of snow amounts as high as 13” north of Raleigh, NC, with up to a foot expected across the Hampton Roads area of southeast Virginia and the southern Delmarva. Even the northern Outer Banks of NC could pick up 3” or more; a winter storm warning was in effect for all of Dare County.

See the weather.com article on Helena for continuously updated state-by-state summaries from the Southeast. We'll be back with a new post on Monday. Stay safe this weekend, especially if you're in one of the storm-affected regions!

Bob Henson






Winter Weather

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Reader Comments

"Life is hard and joyless in the cruel hell that is European low-carbon living!"

The photo shows multiple violations of Sharia Law. Energy efficiency is the least of Europe's perils.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lAVC0VHRYg
Quoting 496. NativeSun:

Could also be a temporary weakness, or shift in the magnetic fields


No, it is the simple fifth grade level science of the greenhouse effect. And those jets flying overhead produce contrails which is frozen water vapor. It is not the government spraying you with chemicals.
New survey of the threats and damage of the cold spell in Europe, but it will take some time to count all the numerous accidents from this weekend.
Deep freeze grips Europe, threatens homeless, migrants
Associated Press/Yahoo, January 8, 2017

Wish you a nice Sunday and best outcome of your weather hazards abroad! I'm preparing for a little trip by train through Germany to Hamburg in the north, hopefully without blackice and the like ... See you next week, folks!
Quoting 502. Wacahootaman:

Energy efficiency is the least of Europe's perils.


For those who don't want to do the click around I'll just save them some time. This little youtube video with the scary voice is posted on YouTube by someone who apparently likes Neo-Nazi videos, conspiracy videos, David Duke etc.....

Energy efficiency is a good thing
Nazi ideology isn't
Capital Weather Gang ‏@capitalweather 1h1 hour ago
Wind chills have been around zero to minus 3F for much of the morning already. We’ll be lucky if they get into the teens today!
Made the last-minute decision around midnite to pick all the green tomatoes. Was the right decision, as we had over four hours of sub-freezing temps. Local mets had us with a low of 31º; but we bottomed out at 28.7º.

Now I got a whole new set of problems!

It was 38 degrees this morning here at my house in Fort Myers, Florida this morning. Wow, that is cold.

But thank God we'll start warming back up tomorrow and we'll be back in the 80s by Thursday.
Quoting 508. aquak9:

Made the last-minute decision around midnite to pick all the green tomatoes. Was the right decision, as we had over four hours of sub-freezing temps. Local mets had us with a low of 31º; but we bottomed out at 28.7º.

Now I got a whole new set of problems!




Green tomato relish?
Double comment
Blog didn't want my original comment and then decided to spit it out when it was ready.
Bottomed out at 25F at 7am.

Now warming up to 31F,with the winds laying down finally.

Weeeeeeeeee'.............

514. beell
Quoting 508. aquak9:

Made the last-minute decision around midnite to pick all the green tomatoes. Was the right decision, as we had over four hours of sub-freezing temps. Local mets had us with a low of 31º; but we bottomed out at 28.7º.

Now I got a whole new set of problems!




Tomatoes. A fruit that almost tastes good...

Problem solved.

Back to the past...
Tour du monde et retour au passé avec l'arc-en-ciel 360 °
Happy Birthday to the King today.

Gone too soon,

We miss ya'

For Mom, who Loved Him dearly..



"For Dixieland where I was born, early on one frosty Morn'...
Quoting 515. ChiThom:

Back to the past...
Tour du monde et retour au passé avec l'arc-en-ciel 360 °


But dem comments are going to be Historic there forever.

Quoting 475. oldnewmex:



I'm having a difficult time finding out just how these drought severity levels are defined/determined. Very little info readily available, and what I found was very non-quantitative. Some "secret" formula incorporating reservoir levels, snowpack, groundwater levels, soil moisture, ???

Any insight?

This page might answer your questions. I got to it by clicking on the 'http://droughtmonitor.unl.edu/' link on the U.S. Drought Monitor main page, which brought me to an 'About the U.S. Drought Monitor' page. From there, clicked FAQs, which led to U.S. Drought Monitor Classification Scheme.
Quoting 497. Uragani:

Schools of all levels are cancelled in Albania for another week due to cold weather.


Funny, Albania is not on my list of favorites!
Anyone notice the WU main radar map (the one you click to zoom into a region, then select a specific radar) is bonkers? Noticed it last night while trying to pull up a radar for New England/Downeast Maine. Tried again this morning. Kicks me over to the northern Midwest.
Beell- I'm saving my garbage bags for something ELSE....
Quoting 517. Patrap:



But dem comments are going to be Historic there forever.



If only I had something profound to say for posterity...:/
#519 ChiThom:
I spent a few months in Albania.
Great people, good food and Raki.
Sorta like my home-town in the '50s
Quoting 508. aquak9:

Made the last-minute decision around midnite to pick all the green tomatoes. Was the right decision, as we had over four hours of sub-freezing temps. Local mets had us with a low of 31º; but we bottomed out at 28.7º.

Now I got a whole new set of problems!



Brown paper bags.
Quoting 520. LAbonbon:

Anyone notice the WU main radar map (the one you click to zoom into a region, then select a specific radar) is bonkers? Noticed it last night while trying to pull up a radar for New England/Downeast Maine. Tried again this morning. Kicks me over to the northern Midwest.


Workaround by using the "Show Storm Tracks" version.
rain or snow? who knows
Quoting 528. wartsttocs:

rain or snow? who knows

It will more than likely be rain.GFS shows it being warm through out the rest of January after Winter's very brief return this weekend.
Quoting 476. Xyrus2000:



The irony here is that Trump has a long and sordid history of being a liar, thief, entitled, and many other choice adjectives. You can start back in the '70's when he was throwing black people out of his buildings and work your way up from there. His sordid adventures have been tabloid fodder for decades so it's fairly easy to find them.

Trump is a narcissistic sociopath. A model of "affluenza", if you will. It really is hard to believe that given his prolific amoral history that people would actually elect him to anything, let alone as president. His followers really have no idea just how badly they're going to be screwed over. He's even told them flat out that he intends to screw them over. Their response? Clapping and cheering. It's actually fascinating from a sociological and psychological perspective. It's the type of behavior that you'd expect to see in cults or abusive relationships, where the cult leaders or abusers can say and do the most horrendous things, and the cult followers will still be loyal puppies.

Now all that remains to be seen is what it will take to break the "Trump Cult". Of course, there's a chance that nothing will and we go down the dark path other countries have before ours. Either way, interesting times.


Yes, I agree.

But care has to be taken in regards to how to respond to it.

Attacking and denigrating those that blindly follow only serves to reinforce their position and direct those people sitting on the fence, those truly open to having a conversation, further to the direction opposite to that advocated.

Trump's behavior itself will undermine any following that exists - except for those that blindly follow, and no conversation or evidence will ever dissuade them. Like all cult leaders, there will always remain "core" believers. However, as time progresses, a number of supporters will grow disenchanted as they realize that Trump cares for nothing other than himself.

Already, "alt-right" supporters are responding with "WTF?" with Trump's tweeted support for Israel. Appointments in his cabinet, back-tracking on "promises" made during the election, and inconsistent "messaging" demonstrates that Trump really had no plan on what to do if he won the election. This inconsistency will ultimately drive away those that have aligned with him for political convenience.

It remains to be seen whether or not this will simply redefine the Republican Party, further fracture it into incompatible factions, or completely destroy it from the inside out.

Either way, I agree, it will be interesting times. Unfortunately being played out on an international and national stage.
Quoting 508. aquak9:

Made the last-minute decision around midnite to pick all the green tomatoes. Was the right decision, as we had over four hours of sub-freezing temps. Local mets had us with a low of 31º; but we bottomed out at 28.7º.

Now I got a whole new set of problems!




Challenges, not problems, challenges. I know, in my heart, that you will rise up to the occasion triumphantly.
Bad link removed
Avalanche Warning, Hydrologic Statement
Issued: 7:06 AM PST Jan. 8, 2017 – National Weather Service

The following message is transmitted at the request of the Forest
service Sierra avalanche center.

The Forest service Sierra avalanche center has continued a
backcountry avalanche warning.

* Timing... in effect through at least 7 am Monday.

* Affected area... for the Sierra Nevada mountains of California
and Nevada, from Yuba Pass to Ebbetts Pass, including the Lake
Tahoe basin.

* Avalanche danger... extreme.

* Reason/impacts... natural and human triggered avalanches are
certain today due to the significant amount of rain and snow
expected below 9300 feet and heavy wet snow loading above 9000
feet. Large, deep, destructive wet slab, deep slab, and wind
slab avalanches will occur today as well as loose wet
avalanches. Avalanches could run farther than expected and
involve almost the entire snowpack. Avoid travel in or near
avalanche terrain or runout zones today. Extreme avalanche
danger exists at all elevations.


Precautionary/preparedness actions...

Avalanches may run long distances, into flat areas, and can run
into mature forests.

Travel in avalanche terrain is not recommended.

Consult www.Sierraavalanchecenter.Org or www.Avalanche.Org for
more detailed information.

Similar avalanche danger may exist at locations outside the
coverage area of this or any avalanche center.
strong front in the nw carib & alittle impulse sliding just north of s america could we have a little mumbo jumbo in the s.w. carib.?
533.
Heard it is pouring rain there now even at elevation.
.
Quoting 508. aquak9:

Made the last-minute decision around midnite to pick all the green tomatoes. Was the right decision, as we had over four hours of sub-freezing temps. Local mets had us with a low of 31º; but we bottomed out at 28.7º.

Now I got a whole new set of problems!




Green tomato salsa is one of my favorites. Also chop a couple up & throw them in a sauté, they don't have as much water as ripe toms and add a nice tangy flavor. My wife is always reminding me that green toms are even healthier than ripe ones, more antioxidants.


Missing summer right now.
Quoting 537. wartsttocs:

533.
Heard it is pouring rain there now even at elevation.

Indeed it is.

Less rain and wind than predicted overnight in California, with a few exceptions as thunderstorms along the waving stationary front moved through Monterey early this AM, dropping an inch of rain in one hour. Boundary has moved up over the North Bay where flooding is occuring on the Napa and Petaluma Rivers. The boundary is forecast to drift south again later today, probably due to forcing by an upstream secondary cold front. Rainfall in the rest of the Bay Area has been steady, moderate to occasionally heavy. The freezing level is high, and as a consequence, it's raining at Lake Tahoe and Truckee (6200 ft) with temps at 45 F. With heavy snow on the ground, runoff will be also be heavy.
Snowfall coverage area wise has shrunk from late last night........warm air must have arrived and snowfall elevation has risen. Does anyone know what it is now in Northern/Central Sierra's?

Quoting 540. oldnewmex:


Indeed it is.


Thinking has it that there will be some colder storms next week for you and hopefully turn the ground white again : )
Quoting 509. Sfloridacat5:

It was 38 degrees this morning here at my house in Fort Myers, Florida this morning. Wow, that is cold.

But thank God we'll start warming back up tomorrow and we'll be back in the 80s by Thursday.

yes sure was cold around tampa bay also, by me it was 34 degree's
First night going under 50F for the winter (I think) down in WPB. Feels good, makes me want to stay under the covers all, but alas, I must prepare for my freedom to end tomorrow.
Good Morning Class! From America's Left Coast! Went to bed late.......got up late.......enjoying my first cup of joe!
Quoting 544. LargoFl:

yes sure was cold around tampa bay also, by me it was 34 degree's


Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday look like sick days from work and on the golf course!
Quoting 538. PedleyCA:



Your link has garbage in it.... and got rain-bowed using it too....

I'm sorry I don't know why that happened. It was not intentional. I will remove the link from my post. Please do the same on the repost.
549. beell
The white, fuzzy stuff that is not moving is presumed to be snow cover.


(click for larger image)
Quoting 533. oldnewmex:

Avalanche Warning, Hydrologic Statement
Issued: 7:06 AM PST Jan. 8, 2017 – National Weather Service

The following message is transmitted at the request of the Forest
service Sierra avalanche center.

The Forest service Sierra avalanche center has continued a
backcountry avalanche warning.

* Timing... in effect through at least 7 am Monday.

* Affected area... for the Sierra Nevada mountains of California
and Nevada, from Yuba Pass to Ebbetts Pass, including the Lake
Tahoe basin.

* Avalanche danger... extreme.

* Reason/impacts... natural and human triggered avalanches are
certain today due to the significant amount of rain and snow
expected below 9300 feet and heavy wet snow loading above 9000
feet. Large, deep, destructive wet slab, deep slab, and wind
slab avalanches will occur today as well as loose wet
avalanches. Avalanches could run farther than expected and
involve almost the entire snowpack. Avoid travel in or near
avalanche terrain or runout zones today. Extreme avalanche
danger exists at all elevations.


Precautionary/preparedness actions...

Avalanches may run long distances, into flat areas, and can run
into mature forests.

Travel in avalanche terrain is not recommended.

Consult www.Sierraavalanchecenter.Org or www.Avalanche.Org for
more detailed information.

Similar avalanche danger may exist at locations outside the
coverage area of this or any avalanche center.


Got the snow level............be careful out there!
Quoting 541. BayFog:

Less rain and wind than predicted overnight in California, with a few exceptions as thunderstorms along the waving stationary front moved through Monterey early this AM, dropping an inch of rain in one hour. Boundary has moved up over the North Bay where flooding is occuring on the Napa and Petaluma Rivers. The boundary is forecast to drift south again later today, probably due to forcing by an upstream secondary cold front. Rain fall in the rest of the Bay Area has been steady, moderate to occasionally heavy. The freezing level is high, and as a consequence, it's raining at Lake Tahoe and Truckee (6200 ft) with temps at 45 F. With heavy snow on the ground, runoff will be also be heavy.

At my location ~5 mi. east of downtown Truckee, I woud characterize the rain over the last day as light to moderate. A "dissapointing" 1.43 in. in my rain gauge, which includes .19 of melted snow from the night before. Regional rivers are up, but not really flooding yet. Rain is forecast to continue through tonight, maybe heavier after midnight. My wife and I will be taking off shortly to visit area rivers (Flood Chasing!).
Quoting 542. HurricaneHunterJoe:

Snowfall coverage area wise has shrunk from late last night........warm air must have arrived and snowfall elevation has risen. Does anyone know what it is now in Northern/Central Sierra's?



At this hour, Squaw Valley (8700 feet) reports 35 F. Slide Mountain (9650 feet) reports 29 F. Both show matching dewpoints. A good guess is that the freezing level is just over 9000 ft.
Quoting 544. LargoFl:

yes sure was cold around tampa bay also, by me it was 34 degree's


Ya all get spolt down there with it being 60-70 degrees almost every morning!
Quoting 548. washingaway:


I'm sorry I don't know why that happened. It was not intentional. I will remove the link from my post. Please do the same on the repost.


You need to clear the box before you paste stuff in there(clear out the http)
Quoting 551. oldnewmex:


At my location ~5 mi. east of downtown Truckee, I woud characterize the rain over the last day as light to moderate. A "dissapointing" 1.43 in. in my rain gauge, which includes .19 of melted snow from the night before. Regional rivers are up, but not really flooding yet. Rain is forecast to continue through tonight, maybe heavier after midnight. My wife and I will be taking off shortly to visit area rivers (Flood Chasing!).

The Reno NWS reports that there were numerous pockets of cold air trapped in various basins overnight which helped keep too much snow melting too fast.
Quoting 539. plantmoretrees:



Green tomato salsa is one of my favorites. Also chop a couple up & throw them in a sauté, they don't have as much water as ripe toms and add a nice tangy flavor. My wife is always reminding me that green toms are even healthier than ripe ones, more antioxidants.


Missing summer right now.


Put some jalpenos and habeneros in there. Mmmmmmm, delicious fire! :)
Quoting 529. washingtonian115:

It will more than likely be rain.GFS shows it being warm through out the rest of January after Winter's very brief return this weekend.
The upcoming pattern is just not favorable for any snowstorm.
Quoting 538. PedleyCA:



Your link has garbage in it.... and got rain-bowed using it too....

It has to be a WU issue, 1) it failed to ask if you want to trust the link. 2) it sent me to 2 different WU pages after clicking on it twice. ??? I have no idea why.
Quoting 535. Xandra:




The Cult of the Poop Throwing Monkey.
NWS Reno:
‏@NWSReno

Double WOW! Squaw Valley wind gust 159 MPH at 9AM #ABitWindy

Quoting 532. washingaway:

Bad link removed

Try this link: Scientific reason on why fruit ripen in paper bags? What causes it?
I am sure most are aware that the Sierra Nevada mountain range has some serious mountains. Here's a link for more info.

Link

Storm due in on Tuesday shaping up north of Hawaii along the jet. Interesting blowup along the ITCZ at 130 W may inject more moisture into the westerlies as time progresses. Also interesting to see cooler dry air squirting out over the Pacific at the Isthmus of Tehuantepec as the large cold front that's brought Arctic air into the US reaches deep into the tropics. The effect is even more visible on the TPW image, but I can't find one that will post here.
Quoting 561. Xandra:


Try this link: Scientific reason on why fruit ripen in paper bags? What causes it?

That worked, that's where the link was suppose to take you.
Quoting 450. Seattleite:

I want to take a moment to thank the Pacific Ocean. It is due to that magnificent body of water that my temps are warmer than most of the rest of the country despite our 47.6 degrees latitude...

Currently 34F with a wind chill of 28F.

Having said that, I'm still waiting on the rain...


As a certified snow nut I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with this comment. However when it comes to keeping summertime temps moderate I'm a big fan of the Pacific influence. BTW 30° right now in Acme, no precipitation yet, probably going to rain this afternoon. We've had snow on the ground for 31 days without completely melting off, a record for our 13 years out here. Extra nice after not getting any snow the last 2 winters.
567. beell
Quoting 559. Xyrus2000:



The Cult of the Poop Throwing Monkey.


Cheer up, kids. We got exactly the President we deserve.
Quoting 563. BayFog:


Storm due in on Tuesday shaping up north of Hawaii along the jet. Interesting blowup along the ITCZ at 130 W may inject more moisture into the westerlies as time progresses. Also interesting to see cooler dry air squirting over the Pacific at the Isthmus of Tehuantepec as the large cold front that's brought Arctic air into the US reaches deep into the tropics. The effect is even more visible on the TPW image, but I can't find one that will post here.

TPW - Latest 24-hr

[Source]
Quoting 556. Xyrus2000:



Put some jalpenos and habeneros in there. Mmmmmmm, delicious fire! :)


Indeed. I'm a big fan of chocolate habañeros, they have a very distinct and wonderful flavor. I also grow hot Thai chilies, New Mexico pequines, shishitos, chamayos, Aconcaguas, bells and a couple kinds of paprikas. All started indoors early from seeds I save and planted in the greenhouse (aka salsa shack). Think I'm up to 9 varieties of heirloom tomatoes as well. Harvested over 300lbs last yearyear, turned into over 100 pints of sauce, really its too much and I have to give a lot away but I enjoy it.
Some maps show temperature, say; Other maps show temperature differences from normal, which offers a different sensibility of the data.

I thinking that a map that showed that data in terms of Standard Deviations form normal would offer yet another sensibility for the data. I'm thinking probably in tenths of SD would be about right.

Anyone here know how to do that?
Quoting 552. BayFog:


At this hour, Squaw Valley (8700 feet) reports 35 F. Slide Mountain (9650 feet) reports 29 F. Both show matching dewpoints. A good guess is that the freezing level is just over 9000 ft.


Looks like rain atop Mt. Pluto at 8600 ft
More than a meter of snow fell on Euboea Island, Greece:

While in Abruzzo, Italy (the region struck by a devastating earthquake last year):

:-0 Meanwhile, France (where I live) has been relatively spared snow-wise (still, frosty conditions are present in many places, including mine these days), but more is forecast to fall next week, mainly in the mountains and in the eastern half of the country. Significant snow accumulation forecast in Switzerland and Germany as well.
- More pics and info at Severe Weather EU on Twitter ("new potentially significant outbreak of cold airmass scheduled after Jan 12 from N-NW towards W-CNTRL Europe." 1 h ago).
- Snow & ice chart - Asia/Europe (NOAA)
The German daily Frankfurter Rundschau reports at least 23 dead in the European cold spell.

I believe someone froze to death plucking green tomatoes.
Quoting 567. beell:



Cheer up, kids. We got exactly the President we deserve.


You mean we earned this? Well, I don't know about you, I still get bummed when I receive coal in my Christmas stocking ;)
575. MahFL
Quoting 520. LAbonbon:

Anyone notice the WU main radar map (the one you click to zoom into a region, then select a specific radar) is bonkers? Noticed it last night while trying to pull up a radar for New England/Downeast Maine. Tried again this morning. Kicks me over to the northern Midwest.


Yes I was clicking NE and got North Dakota.
A final report from the south hills of Salem, Oregon. I slept in and got up about 10:30. There was about 1/8 inch of ice on the bushes but it's raining and the street in front of my house which was a sheet of ice last night is now all slush. Current temperature is 34F, expecting a high of 38F today and no freezing temperatures in the forecast until Wednesday when overnight lows will drop to around 30F. Back to our normal winter weather of mid-30s to mid-40s and rainy.

One good thing about the very cold weather we've been having is that it knocks back the insects for most of the spring and summer.
577. beell
Quoting 574. daddyjames:



You mean we earned this? Well, I don't know about you, I still get bummed when I receive coal in my Christmas stocking ;)


Santa can no longer support the extraction of coal as a means of punishment for the naughty. I have read that a signed DVD of "An Inconvenient Truth" will replace this fossil-fuel product.
Quoting 567. beell:



Cheer up, kids. We got exactly the President we deserve.
yep, punishment for maltreating the current one. But they won't learn.
On another note, we have heavy rain here which so far amounts to just over 4 inches in the past 24 hours. Gonna be some flooding and mudslides hereabouts, I deem. I hope my new waterbars on the steep part of the road are doing their job!
Quoting 574. daddyjames:
You mean we earned this? Well, I don't know about you, I still get bummed when I receive coal in my Christmas stocking ;)
A lot of his appointees think that's a good thing!

Interpret that any way you want, and you are still probably correct.
Quoting 577. beell:



Santa can no longer support the extraction of coal as a means of punishment for the naughty. I have read that a signed DVD of "An Inconvenient Truth" will replace this fossil-fuel product.

Both of what you said would be rewards. Hmm, gonna be bad this year big-time.
Love pickled tomatoes. Bottomed at 17F this morning here in Florence, SC. 70F by Wednesday.

Quoting 508. aquak9:

Made the last-minute decision around midnite to pick all the green tomatoes. Was the right decision, as we had over four hours of sub-freezing temps. Local mets had us with a low of 31º; but we bottomed out at 28.7º.

Now I got a whole new set of problems!


Quoting 561. Xandra:
Try this link: Scientific reason on why fruit ripen in paper bags? What causes it?
I thought everyone knew about ethylene. Didn't your dad explain it to you when you were a kid?

Sugarland airport reported light snow around 1:30 am Saturday morning. Did everybody see it?
(waves hi to beell)

Put some sliced green tomatoes in the dehydrator with seasonings. This'll be a new one for me. Will wrap some with paper, and put'm in a cardboard box, later on this evening.

Hey DJ, thanks for the vote of confidence. Everyone keeps saying "fried green tomatoes" but I am not a fan of fried foods, so I gotta find something else to do with them.

I promised Rainman I'd NEVER try to grow tomatoes in the winter again.
12:30 PM and about 60°F here in coastal Humboldt. Since midnight we've accumulated 1.15" of rain in the form of frequent, heavy downpours with heavy mist filling the gap between showers. Humidity is through the roof but it's a nice change from the super cold weather of the past week or so. We may hit that 4" total after all!
Quoting 577. beell:

Santa can no longer support the extraction of coal as a means of punishment for the naughty. I have read that a signed DVD of "An Inconvenient Truth" will replace this fossil-fuel product.


Then again, it seems as if Santa will be only distributing coal overseas ;)




EIA%u2019s Annual Energy Outlook 2017
Quoting 583. aquak9:

(waves hi to beell)

Put some sliced green tomatoes in the dehydrator with seasonings. This'll be a new one for me. Will wrap some with paper, and put'm in a cardboard box, later on this evening.

Hey DJ, thanks for the vote of confidence. Everyone keeps saying "fried green tomatoes" but I am not a fan of fried foods, so I gotta find something else to do with them.

I promised Rainman I'd NEVER try to grow tomatoes in the winter again.

Grape tomatoes in pots work well in the winter and can easily be marched into the garage during freezes. We had a 12 hour freeze in our area of Corpus Christi over night last Friday into Saturday morning. The lowest temp in our garage was 56 degrees while outside temps were 28. When we were at the west end of Duval County FL in the mid 80's we didn't bother with tomatoes until mid February and that was iffy.
Quoting 583. aquak9:

(waves hi to beell)

Put some sliced green tomatoes in the dehydrator with seasonings. This'll be a new one for me. Will wrap some with paper, and put'm in a cardboard box, later on this evening.

Hey DJ, thanks for the vote of confidence. Everyone keeps saying "fried green tomatoes" but I am not a fan of fried foods, so I gotta find something else to do with them.

I promised Rainman I'd NEVER try to grow tomatoes in the winter again.


You can prepare them baked (essentially the same thing as fried, but without the oil).

Another option is to make pie from them.
I have heard, but not tried it myself, that you can make a pie from green tomatoes that essentially is like apple pie.
(I love apple pie - make it myself).
There are several recipes online.
aquak9 - green tomato and lentil stew (soup?). Had a roommate who used to make this - it was delicious. He was Indian, so he made a traditional dish with Indian spices. One day years later I had some green tomatoes so I made it with my own seasoning (no Indian stuff on hand) and it came out pretty darn good. Sorry, no recipe, like lots of soups and stews it's hard to go wrong by winging it.

Why are dogs so picky about where they pee & poop? It's cold outside and yet my dog has to sniff every bush, tree, fire hydrant, and trash can in the neighborhood. I so hate winter. Love my dog though.
Copy-pasting this from the Arctic Sea Ice Forum (original comment there was posted today):

PIOMAS figures for December have been published:

"December 2016 sea ice volume was 11,200 km3, nearly 1000 km3 below the previous record for December in 2012. This record is in part the result of anomalously high temperatures throughout the Arctic for November and end of December"

"Average ice thickness in December 2016 over the PIOMAS domain is the lowest on record"


Additional reading from Neven's Arctic Sea Ice Blog (Jan 8):
PIOMAS January 2017
A tomato is a vegetable disguised as a fruit. So saith the US Supreme Court.
Flood Update: River Expected To Start Flooding At 2 Pm

Truckee Meadows officials are continuing to warn of significant flood and today announce that the Truckee River is expected start flooding at 2 p.m.

Ironically we're seeing some record high temperatures here today in central CA due to the tropical air mass with the AR.
595. beell
Quoting 591. washingaway:

A tomato is a vegetable disguised as a fruit. So saith the US Supreme Court.


Just another example of trade & commerce trumping science.
:)
NWS Reno:
‏@NWSReno

Flooding Today, Major Snow Storm Tomorrow through Thursday! Yes, an additional 6-8 Feet of snow for the Sierra crest w/ 1-3 Feet at Tahoe!



A snowy Boston Commons, 1919

Quoting 591. washingaway:

A tomato is a vegetable disguised as a fruit. So saith the US Supreme Court.


Source?
Snow-covered Treasury of the Athenians at Delphi, January 7, 2017

Quoting 598. PedleyCA:



Source?

http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-supreme-court/149/3 04.html
Link
fried green toasted tomato sandwiches with mayo

Quoting 567. beell:



Cheer up, kids. We got exactly the President we deserve.


Can't really argue against that. But it's the adults that deserve it. Children shouldn't be made to suffer for the apathy and stupidity of their parents.
The link doesn't confirm that the Supreme Court stated "A tomato is a vegetable disguised as a fruit."
Carbon dioxide - a medical view from 1866
AGW Observer - December 2016.
(recoils in horror)

there's a green tomato bundt cake

that's it, I'm getting off the computer-
cool snap ends with snow to rain to begin

Quoting 605. KEEPEROFTHEGATE:




That just looks sad!
don't know what ingredients are but it looks good all the same

From 999Ai2016's link, the address of Charles Trustham, esq., June 14, 1866:

...Chemistry, in its more extended sense, has been investigating the condition of the atmosphere, and trying to determine how far its constitution, as to that condition of its oxygen called o ozone, determines the spread of epidemics and the character of disease; but as yet with no great practical result. But the question must some day arise, if it have not already done so, whether there is not another constituent which is exerting an influence on the animal economy; I mean an increase, at present inappreciable, of its carbonic acid gas. You are all aware that the subject of the possible exhaustion of our coal-fields, and its relation to the future of our country...

...for, before even the half of the coal of the world is consumed (and I do not suppose our national energy will before that time have exhausted the stock of our own country), the atmosphere will have again assumed a condition fatal to animal life...
Quoting 608. daddyjames:



That just looks sad!
but I bet it tastes good gro don't look at it too long just pass on by it
Quoting 603. BaltimoreBrian:

The link doesn't confirm that the Supreme Court stated "A tomato is a vegetable disguised as a fruit."

That is essentially what they said. There are people far better than I who have interpreted the ruling this way. I saw a documentary on the history of the tomato, I know, it's must have been a rainy winter day, but as it turn out it was fascinating one hour or two. That is how I learned about the case.
Quoting 589. washingaway:

Why are dogs so picky about where they pee & poop? It's cold outside and yet my dog has to sniff every bush, tree, fire hydrant, and trash can in the neighborhood. I so hate winter. Love my dog though.

Your dog is merely catching up on the latest news left by all the other animals that passed that way.
Shrimp and Green Tomato Gumbo
May 9, 2011 Atlanta Magazine



From New Southern Kitchen: Traditional Flavors for Contemporary Cooks by Damon Lee Fowler

Here are most of the traditional ingredients of a good seafood gumbo, but with a twist: green tomatoes replace the usual ripe ones. Also, unlike most gumbos, it does not need to simmer for hours on the back of the stove. It goes together quickly—less than an hour from start to finish—including all the peeling, chopping, and simmering. The result is tart, clean-flavored, and refreshing. However, it does benefit greatly from being made a day ahead so that the flavors can blend and develop.

Ingredients
3/4 pound young, firm okra
1 1/2 pounds green tomatoes (about 3 large or 4 medium)
1 medium lock
2 tablespoons bacon drippings or extra-virgin olive oil
1 large or 2 medium yellow onions, trimmed, split, peeled, and chopped
1 large or 2 small cloves garlic, lightly crushed, peeled, and minced
1 or 2 small green hot chile peppers (to taste), stemmed, seeds and membranes removed, and minced
3 cups canned broth mixed with 3 cups water (even if the label reads “use full strength”)
1 bouquet garni, made from a leafy celery top, 2 bay leaves, 2 large sprigs thyme, 2 large sprigs parsley
Salt and whole white pepper in a peppermill
1/2 pound (headless weight) shrimp, peeled
1/2 pound crabmeat, picked over to remove any bits of shell
2 lemons
1 large or 2 small scallions or other green onions, thinly sliced

Instructions
1. Wash the okra under cold running water, gently rubbing to remove the fuzz, drain it well, and cut off and discard the caps. Slice the okra crosswise about 1/4 inch thick. Core the tomatoes, and cut them into 1/2-inch dice. Split the leek lengthwise and wash it under cold running water with the root pointed upward, rubbing well between the layers to remove all the dirt and grit. Thinly slice both the white and green parts.

2. Put the leek, fat, and onion in a soup kettle that will comfortably hold all the ingredients and turn on the heat to medium-high. Sauté, tossing frequently until the vegetables are translucent and softened, but not colored, about 4 minutes. Add the garlic and hot pepper, and sauté until fragrant, abut 1/2 minute. Add the tomatoes, and toss until heated through, then add the okra. Mix well, then slowly add the broth. Add the bouqt garni, a small pinch of salt, and several grindings of white pepper. Bring to a boil, then reduce the heat to to low, and simmer until the vegetables are tender, about 30 minutes.

3. Add the shrimp and crabmeat, and bring the soup back to a simmer. Simmer until the shrimp curl and turn pink, about 3 minutes. Turn off the heat. Remove and discard the bouquet garni. Add the juice from 1/2 lemon, and taste and adjust the seasonings. Cut the remaining lemon into thin slices, and serve the gumbo hot, garnishing each serving with a slice of lemon and a sprinkling of scallion.

Serves 4 as a main course, 6 as a first course.

Special weather statement in effect for:
City of Toronto
Snow is expected to develop Monday night over southwestern Ontario and move eastward to reach the Greater Toronto Area early Tuesday morning. Snowfall accumulations of 5 to 10 cm are likely before the snow changes to rain.

There may be a significant impact to the Tuesday morning commute and possibly the afternoon one as well for regions where the change to rain occurs later.

The weather system responsible is a Colorado low that will affect much of the province.
Please continue to monitor alerts and forecasts issued by Environment Canada. To report severe weather, send an email to ec.cpio-tempetes-ospc-storms.ec@canada.ca or tweet reports to #ONStorm
Toronto Pearson Int'l Airport
Date:
6:00 PM EST Sunday 8 January 2017
Temperature:
11.5°F
Dew point:
-3.5°F
Humidity:
51%
Wind:
NW 13 gust 19 mph
Wind Chill:
-4
Visibility:
15 miles
618. bwi
Warm in most of the U.S. in December. We may get some negative anomalies in January if the current pattern holds on, but I think it's changing to a warmer pattern soon, particularly for the eastern U.S.

619. bwi
Midweek

Friday

Next Monday
620. beell
Quoting 606. aquak9:

(recoils in horror)

there's a green tomato bundt cake

that's it, I'm getting off the computer-


The tomato has a long and colorful history as a very real and direct expression of dissent. I can think of no better use for a surplus of tomatoes-jus' sayin'...

Place in a large, plastic bag, add water as required, place in a well-greased, dark and damp enclosure.
Stir periodically until semi-soft.
Apply liberally or conservatively as desired.

Bon appetit!
Evening BL, good to see ya!

If this kills the blog, let me know and I'll pull it.

Quoting 615. Patrap:


Where's the "little bit of wine for the cook"?
623. beell
Good to see you, SJ (and mini-sj!).

The perfect storm. I enjoyed a couple with my girls over the years here in Houston. Thanks for the live feed.
Good gracious really? Image is expandable.

Have you ever noticed when you search something and you hit related things, say five times, you end up with nothing that is related to what you originally started searching.
Quoting 622. wastedaway2000:

Quoting 615. Patrap:


Where's the "little bit of wine for the cook"?


Quoting 622. wastedaway2000:

Quoting 615. Patrap:

Where's the "little bit of wine for the cook"?
Buried 325 AD with a Roman couple near Pfalz, Germany, this may be world's oldest liquid wine, preserved under olive oil layer.

Quoting 624. BaltimoreBrian:

Good gracious really? Image is expandable.




Damn it. I wish I could afford to chase that. Was hoping to see my first foot of snowfall, but the 4-6hrs of graupel made that a no.
Neapolitan is noted for his delicious pies, just FYI!
Bodies of 3 hunters, dog recovered (with video) Sad. Sustained winds were 27 mph at Corpus Christi when they launched at 4 a.m. and probably 30 mph or higher on the open bay while temperatures were falling quickly. Don't go out in a small boat when small craft advisories are in effect.
Quoting 627. BaltimoreBrian:
Buried 325 AD with a Roman couple near Pfalz, Germany, this may be world's oldest liquid wine, preserved under olive oil layer.

Well, I found it a little musty and some what "corked" Oh well, back to observing the weather and politics

Snow-covered migrant detention camp on the island of Lesbos, Greece, January 8 2017

Fruit Quiz

Only temperate member of a tropical family of trees. Revered by Thomas Jefferson. Lewis & Clark turned to them when provisions ran thin. What are they? And has anyone ever enjoyed a wild one?

Another chilly night expected here in Florence, SC. Expected low 19F.
The story of the tomato. If you just want to hear about the supreme court case fast forward to 14:00.
Quoting 631. wastedaway2000:

Oh well, back to observing the weather and politics



You left out tomatoes.
Well, my Davis Vantage VUE station's rain gauge just tipped over 7 inches of rain in the past 24 hours (at 8:40pm), and it shows no sign of letting up -- occasional brief breaks and then more downpour, often with up to 15-20mph gusts. Life in the humid tropics!
The tail/ weak ends of the Northern California storms will pay a visit to Soo Cal with much smaller amounts of rain. Chances for rain this week are Monday, Wednesday and Friday/Saturday. Current models then build a weak ridge for weekend thru next Tuesday. ( Unless models change their minds) Rain chances for tomorrow from NWS San Diego:


The chances for rain on Monday are very good, as the tail end of a storm system that dumped heavy rain and snow on northern California sweeps through the region. Rainfall will begin in the early morning hours over northern areas and shift southward through the morning. Snow levels will remain above 8,000 ft.

About tomorrow's storm:



Rainfall totals for Monday’s storm will be light to moderate, with totals decreasing as you move southward. Flooding is not expected to be a concern.
Dear Reno,

Sending some tree trunks and other large woody debris down to you. Good luck with that.
Luv Ya!

Yer pal,
Truckee
Quoting 627. BaltimoreBrian:

Buried 325 AD with a Roman couple near Pfalz, Germany, this may be world's oldest liquid wine, preserved under olive oil layer.




It must have fallen out of Grothar's hand when his boat hit a rock.
Quoting 596. Xandra:

NWS Reno:
‏@NWSReno

Flooding Today, Major Snow Storm Tomorrow through Thursday! Yes, an additional 6-8 Feet of snow for the Sierra crest w/ 1-3 Feet at Tahoe!






Most excellent young Luke Skywalker!
Elevated solar winds occurred with West Coast atmospheric river event.
Quoting 624. BaltimoreBrian:

Good gracious really? Image is expandable.



Fortunately the most recent run has much less snow in its forecast Link (My phone won't let me post the image only the link)
Quoting 610. BaltimoreBrian:

From 999Ai2016's link, the address of Charles Trustham, esq., June 14, 1866:

...Chemistry, in its more extended sense, has been investigating the condition of the atmosphere, and trying to determine how far its constitution, as to that condition of its oxygen called o ozone, determines the spread of epidemics and the character of disease; but as yet with no great practical result. But the question must some day arise, if it have not already done so, whether there is not another constituent which is exerting an influence on the animal economy; I mean an increase, at present inappreciable, of its carbonic acid gas. You are all aware that the subject of the possible exhaustion of our coal-fields, and its relation to the future of our country...

...for, before even the half of the coal of the world is consumed (and I do not suppose our national energy will before that time have exhausted the stock of our own country), the atmosphere will have again assumed a condition fatal to animal life...


When you add salt to the roads during the winter the ice on the road can melt, but if it's cold enough, there will still be ice on the road. The salt on the road lowers the melting temperature of the water. Again I can describe the idea that with the water molecule the electrons tend to hang around the oxygen molecule and not the hydrogen atoms. It's also been described as about how the orbitals are slightly more to the oxygen atom. Perhaps if you drew the orbitals around the atoms and thought visually only of the negative charge of the orbital and repelling like charges, you can see about where the next water molecule would fit together with the next one. Then from there you can visualize how ANY ions introduced into a solution that is super cooled will change the process how freezing occurs. The question is how does, if at all, CO2 impact the freezing process of a solution. Yes, I appreciate that CO2 dissolve in a solution will have no net charge. This is a straw man argument . . . because it's a little more complex with the introduction of electrical fields. Particularly alternating fields. Schumman resonances in particular, but in rapidly intensifying tropical storms to be even more specific, bi polar ions are going to basically spin with changing electrical fields, and dynamically alter freezing processes. Then structurally, since water itself is a strong di-electric, storm cloud freeze rates ill get organized (or not) depending on carbonation levels under the surface low, where CO2 is removed from the ocean surface and moves into the convection, into the forming clouds of a tropical storm, and then becomes (or not) part of the heat trapping cirrus canopy. And this is about as succinctly as you can describe why CO2 is responsible for changing tropical storm behaviors that have been observed by Dr. Masters and others. It's not the green house gas effect, but a direct connection to cloud behaviors.
Spinning ice disc on the Snoqualmie river in Wa


Check out this local news link for video. Its cool, it spins.
Link
Paul Simon, Jools Holland and Lake Street Dive - Wristband


I stepped outside the backstage door to breathe some nicotine
And maybe check my mailbox, see if I can read the screen
Then I heard a click, the stage door lock
I knew just what that meant
I'm gonna have to walk around the block if I wanna get it in

Wristband, my man, you've got to have a wristband
If you don't have a wristband, my man, you don't get through the door
Wristband, my man, you've got to have a wristband
And if you don't have a wristband, my man, you don't get through the door

I can explain it, I don't know why my heart beats like a fist
When I meet some dude with an attitude saying "hey, you can't do that, or this"
And the man was large, a well-dressed six-foot-eight
And he's acting like Saint Peter standing guard at the pearly...

Wristband, my man, you've got to have a wristband
If you don't have a wristband, you don't get through the door
And I said "Wristband? I don't need a wristband
My axe is on the bandstand, my band is on the floor"

I mean it's just...
[Scat]
(Wristband)
(Wristband)
(Wristband)

The riots started slowly with the homeless and the lowly
Then they spread into the heartland towns that never get a wristband
Kids that can't afford the cool brand whose anger is a short-hand
For you'll never get a wristband and if you don't have a wristband then you can't get through the door
No you can't get through the door
No you can't get through the door
Say you can't get through the door, no


If you don't have a wu wristband'..u don't get thru the door...

Big area of cold air will move south around the beginning of Feb.



Friday.



Saturday.



Sunday.
Quoting 624. BaltimoreBrian:

Good gracious really? Image is expandable.



No, not really:

(Clickable image)

Just as impressive though:



Luckily the most recent run isn't as bad.
More Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming, Obviously.


This during the weak El Nino winter of 1992-1993. 1993: A definite "pineappleish looking flow" A very wet series of storms that began on 1/6 and ended on 1/18 produced 20
to 50 inches of precipitation in the mountains and up to 12 inches at lower
elevations over a two week period. It was one of the longest periods of consecutive
days of rain on record (13) and measurable rain fell nearly every day from 1/2 to
1/19. Flooding and flash flooding, mud slides, etc., resulted. The record still stands today......13 days in a row with measurable rainfall! I remember having to drive my dad who was ill to the VA Hospital in San Diego and he passed away on Feb 22, 1993. Kinda odd/strange, now my wife drives me to the same VA Hospital for my many appointments there 24 years later! How some things change and how they remain the same!..........And it was quite the deluge up in my neck of the woods with heavy rain. Highway 79 lost a lane and a half just west of the intersection of Highway 371 and Highway 79 due to Temecula Creek washing it away.

The story:

THE STORMS AND RESULTING FLOODS
From January 6 to February 28, 1993, a series of
storms produced 20 to 40 inches of rain over much of
the southern California coastal and mountain areas and
more than 52 inches at some stations in the San
Bernardino Mountains. These storms, which coincided
with a reappearance of weak "El Nino" conditions in the
tropical regions of the Pacific Ocean, were driven by a
regional atmospheric low-pressure system off the coast
of northern California and Oregon. In southern California,
precipitation intensified because a high-pressure area
that extended over Alaska, the Gulf of Alaska, and the
Western States concentrated this low-pressure system
farther south than usual and held it in place just
offshore, cutting off a series of storms from the general
weather circulation. Tropical moisture was supplied to
the arriving storms from the southern jetstream, which
.crossed the coast from the southwest at about the
latitude of San Diego. Rainfall was further intensified by
the influence of the east-west-trending Transverse
Ranges, causing the heaviest precipitation in the San
Gabriel and San Bernardino Mountains. Precipitation
also was very heavy in the Laguna Mountains of San
Diego County (fig. 1).
The first major peak streamflows occurred January
6-7 as a result of heavy rainfall on a fairly substantial
snowpack that had accumulated in December 1992. The
recurrence intervals (average interval of time in which a
given peak flow will be equaled or exceeded once) of
flows in the Mojave and Santa Ana River Basins were
about 25 to 50 years. In the Victorville area, the Mojave
River overtopped a levee, causing damage to a housing
tract. This reach of the river channel had become heavily
overgrown with vegetation as a result of the drought
conditions of the past 6 years and the lack of channelclearing
high flows.
The rain continued, and a second major runoff peak
occurred late on January 16 as the low-pressure system
moved slightly south before moving to the east on
January 18. The most severe flooding was in the Santa
Margarita and San Luis Rey River Basins (fig. 2) in
northern San Diego and southwestern Riverside
Counties. In the 24-hour period beginning at 8 a.m.
(Pacific standard time) on January 16, 6.80 inches of
rain was recorded at the Santa Rosa Plateau weather
station in the Santa Margarita watershed, and similar
rainfall intensities were reported throughout the area.
A nearly identical storm pattern developed in early
February as a stationary atmospheric low-pressure
system centered off the Oregon coast again generated
storms. Major storms and resultant runoff peaks occurred February 8 and from February 18 to 19. Although the
peak streamflows were only in the 25- to 50-year
recurrence interval range, significant local flooding
occurred because of the saturated conditions in the
watersheds due to the January storms. Major bank
failures occurred along the Mojave River in the Silver
Lakes area, about 10 miles north of Victorville, as a
result of sustained high flow in the normally dry
channel.
Rainfall intensity decreased significantly as the
storms came onshore and moved from the southwest to
the northeast (fig. 1). During this 2-month storm series, more than 200 percent of the average annual rainfall fell
on the mountains nearest the coast; farther inland, the
north side of the San Bernardino Mountains received
127 percent.
The highest peak flows on the Mojave and Santa
Ana Rivers (see hydrographs, fig. 3) occurred January
6-7 as a result of rapid melting of the accumulated
snowpack. The three subsequent peaks were slightly
lower, but nearly of the same magnitude. By
comparison, the highest peak in De Luz Creek in the
Santa Margarita River Basin occurred January 16; it was
nearly an order of magnitude higher than the other three
major peaks. Peak flows on January 16 exceeded a 100-
year recurrence interval flood at several stream-gaging
stations in the basin.
THE SANTA MARGARITA RIVER BASIN
FLOOD-JANUARY 16, 1993
The January 16, 1993, flooding in the Santa
Margarita River Basin resulted from intense rainfall that
generally was localized over the upper reaches of the
basin principally in the Santa Rosa Plateau and
Temecula areas, where the 6-hour rainfall data show the
precipitation frequency (similar to recurrence interval for
streamflows) to be 126 and 114 percent, respectively, of the 100-year precipitation-frequency values. This intense
precipitation was on a watershed still saturated from the
January 6-7 storm.
The most severe flooding during the
January-February 1993 storms (see table 1) happened on
January 16 in the Murrieta Creek floodplain at Temecula
in Riverside County. At the Murrieta Creek streamflowgaging
station near Temecula (11043000), where flow
overtopped the gage shelter, the stage was the peak for
the 68 years of record and exceeded the previous
(Feb. 21, 1980) record by more than 5 feet.
Peaks of record also were recorded on the Santa
Margarita River near Temecula and on other, smaller
streams in the basin. Extensive flooding occurred along
the Santa Margarita River as it passes through Camp
Pendleton, the U.S. Marine Corps Base near the mouth
of the river. The floodwaters spread over the broad, flat
floodplain on the base, depositing large quantities of
sediment and debris. The Santa Margarita River gaging
station at Ysidora (11046000) was damaged as the
debris-choked river washed out the bridge. The
estimated discharge (see table 1) of 45,000 cubic feet
per second (ftVs) exceeded the peak discharge for the 68
years of record (33,600 ftVs on February 16, 1927) by
34 percent.

650. beell
Quoting 602. Xyrus2000:



Can't really argue against that. But it's the adults that deserve it. Children shouldn't be made to suffer for the apathy and stupidity of their parents.


This is not a recent development.
Quoting 613. riverat544:


Your dog is merely catching up on the latest news left by all the other animals that passed that way.


I call it "pee-mail."
Karsten Haustein on Twitter, January 7:
"When the Arctic becomes more incontinent due to open waters, this is what can happen more often."

Forecast (not) valid (anymore) January 7, 06z. Click link above to access original tweet.

Dreaded Polar Vortex May Be Shifting
Scientific American - October 2016.

As Arctic stays warmish, new year will bring a frigid bang to lower latitudes
ADN - December 30, 2016.
Meteorologists theorize the phenomenon works this way: Warmth in the northern polar region helps lock in jet-stream kinks that drag cold air south and sets up conditions that weaken the polar vortex, the pressure zone that usually traps the chill in the northernmost part of Earth. Frigid thermometer readings are, as a result, delivered to the Northern Hemisphere. So, warm Arctic, cold continents. (...)
Quoting 651. nonblanche:



I call it "pee-mail."

nonblanche! How's life in the Lahontan Basin?
Yes, Some Extreme Weather Can Be Blamed on Climate Change
Scientific American - January 2, 2017.
A leading scientist explains that improved computing and statistics can tie extreme events to global warming.
(...)
- What extreme event in 2016 had the clearest connection to climate change?
- The heat wave in the Arctic that's ongoing. It has been made orders of magnitude more likely due to climate change.


Spiking Temperatures in the Arctic Startle Scientists
NYTimes - December 21, 2016.
(...) Dr. Mathis added that changing conditions in the far north should concern everyone. "We need people to know and understand that the Arctic is going to have an impact on their lives no matter where they live."
Well then.
Snowed all day Wednesday, with temps plunging.

Thursday by sunrise it had dropped to -8*F. My wet leather Thorogood wellies not only didn't dry, but froze. Walking in them was like walking in ski boots, especially once the soles chilled and hardened. I watched our kitchen sink hot water line, on trickle, freeze up. Cold water line went after that. We then left the bathroom utility sink on more than just a trickle, and that was our water until this morning when everything started thawing. First froze, last thawed. I pointed out after filling everything we use for emergency water, if worse came to worst, we had plenty of snow to melt on the woodstove, so nobody was more than inconvenienced.

3am this morning, going out to check on a couple kids born the evening before, I was quietly laughing. It NEVER gets freezing rain here. Except that's exactly what we had. Freezing rain glazing all the surfaces we shoveled clear the days before. By breakfast, it was treacherous. I put out a heads-up on the FB Fallon 411 community to be really freaking careful with that first step out the front door. We just don't get that here, I know hardly anyone native has dealt with the real deal.

And now, with the wind in the 50's, all the snow and ice are gone. It's raining. Definitely a week for weather. The Lahontan Reservoir as of this morning was at 75,000 acre feet with a total capacity of 250,000 acre feet. I read that TCID pulled out the "soft plug" this week by Derby Dam in preparation for the rain event. So large-scale flooding won't happen here, but some of the local spots, Old River Parkway, also Sheckler by Power Line, are localized flooding locations.
Low this morning got down to freezing here. Surprising with the wind staying up thought it would have caused some mixing. Perhaps the wind direction was a little more from the north, so it didn't modify as it would from a northwest direction over the Gulf of Mexico. In addition, the origin of the airmass may have played a role in how low the temperature got. We ran about 5 degrees below the forecast of 37 in Tampa. Tonights another cold night already down to 41 and winds are a bit lighter. We're still under a wind chill advisory for feels like temperature between 18-35. Also, the barometer is reading 1035.8 mb. as High Pressure settles in. Not complaining though, this is nice for a change. Strawberries and oranges should be sweeter as well.

Quoting 653. oldnewmex:


nonblanche! How's life in the Lahontan Basin?


See above. :) A freakin' roller coaster.
Quoting 651. nonblanche:



I call it "pee-mail."

Lol, it's time for my dog to check his mail.
Truckee River a mile from my house currently flowing at 7130 cfs, quite a jump from the 475 yesterday morning. Power has been shut off for a chunk of downtown Reno in anticipation of implementation of a flood plan. I hereby designate this as Floody Sunday. Maybe I can copyright that.
TRUCKEE R A BOCA BRIDGE NR TRUCKEE CA
Floody Sunday™

(hey oldnewmex, "alt 0153" is the trademark symbol!)
Winter Storm Warning
Issued: 8:17 PM PST Jan. 8, 2017 – National Weather Service

... Winter Storm Warning remains in effect from 4 am Monday to
4 am PST Thursday...

* timing: heavy rain will transition to snow Monday morning with
periods of heavy snow continuing through Wednesday night.

* Snow accumulations: 4 to 8 feet above 7000 feet with 1 to 3 feet
at Lake Tahoe level.

* Winds: southwest 15 to 25 mph with gusts to 45 mph. Sierra
ridge gusts over 100 mph.

* Snow levels: all valley floors... briefly rising to around
6500 feet Tuesday night before falling again.

* Impacts: dangerous conditions will exist for travel and
outdoor activities with heavy snow accumulation on all Sierra
passes. The combination of heavy snow and gusty wind may
make for whiteout conditions.
Quoting 641. vanderwaalselectrics:

Elevated solar winds occurred with West Coast atmospheric river event.


You mean the event that was predicted days in advance using standard meteorological models?

How about this. Provide a mathematical and physically consistent model of your claims.
U.S. tanks roll into Germany to protect against potential Russian invasion

Something's up y'all. This whole Trump Russia thing and now we're deploying tanks and troops to Europe. Whats going on?
Quoting 643. vanderwaalselectrics:



When you add salt to the roads during the winter the ice on the road can melt, but if it's cold enough, there will still be ice on the road...


You really have no idea what you're talking about, do you? It's like you're saying 1+1=3 by altering the value of one, and then somehow pretending that Peano's Axioms remain perfectly intact.

What exactly are you trying to prove here? If you think you have something solid that will completely upend the world of physics, then do proper research, build a strong case, and submit it for review like every other scientist. Looking for validation about your hypothesis on a blog (especially a science oriented one with multiple people versed in the fields your attempting to abuse) is going to get you exactly squat.

Worse, you've opened yourself to being sabotaged. Someone could pluck this idea of yours from one of your monomaniacal text dumps and if it had any merit (which it doesn't) they could research and publish it while you were still twiddling away on blogs and forums. Instead of being credited with a revolutionary new idea in physics and chemistry, you would be a sad also-ran. The very blogs you once text-walled with your brilliance will now be text-walled with your misery at having your idea "stolen".

Go. Publish. And when your shining brilliance graces the pages of Nature you can come back here and post "I told ya so!" with a link to the abstract and a picture of you with your shiny new Nobel Prize.
From BBC.com:
"Other Nato members are also increasing their presence in eastern Europe, with Britain sending fighter jets to the Black Sea area, while a battalion of troops, tanks and light armour will deploy to Estonia in the spring, backed by French and Danish troops. Germany also plans to send troops and tanks to Lithuania."
Quoting 666. Hurricane4Lex:



That's cool. I too think he's an idiot as well as his the hard line supporters denying/silencing that he did any of those things. You know who else are idiots. 4 black "kids" from Chicago torturing a mentally challenged white "kid" and media for barely talking about it.


Huh? It was front and center in every major media outlet. I don't see how that's "barely talking about it".

Quoting 666. Hurricane4Lex:
Legally all adults but does that even matter. CNN's Don Lemon didn't call it evil and the rest of the panelists start blaming Trump for a hate crime against white people. Flip the narrative in terms of who's beating who saying racist things against minorities and we wouldn't even be talking about the Golden Globes or Football. We'd be talking about the national guard coming in to quell "protesting".


Blame? Yes, he does deserve part of the blame for using and inciting fear and anger. Actions have consequences. Fear and anger are two way streets. A number of minorities are, let's just say, uneasy with Trump, and it certainly doesn't help that a number of hate groups have gained quite a bit in popularity now that the feel they have a leg to stand on.

You don't even need to be a minority, you just need to look like one. My half-brother (who's half-hispanic) was born here. Raised here. Serves in the armed forces. As American as apple pie, but since Trump hit he's been dealing with more and more racist crap (his wife is white, which doesn't help). "Go home spic!", "Just wait till Trump builds that wall and ships you back to Mexico!", etc.

Is Trump 100% to blame? No. People are to blame. But you'd have to be naive to think that his rhetoric and the people he's associating with (not to mention his own checkered past) has nothing to do with the increase in racial tensions. People are on edge, and when people are on edge it doesn't take much to push them over the edge.

Quoting 666. Hurricane4Lex:
But thats as far as I'll say since this, Golden Globes, and football have nothing to do with a weather site.

No hate against anyone. I just want people to know the "why" we elected an outsider idiot and how we got here instead of going off on a rant or a predefined set of talking points all in the name of politics. The faster logic and reasoning sets in the better.


There are a lot of reasons "why", and none of them have any sort of logical basis. But we're in the post fact world. The cult world. It's going to take a lot more than the usual to snap things back into the realm of logic and reason.

Here's a silly example. Thanks to Keeper I'm now addicted to a game called World of Warships (I hate you and love for that Keep!). On there in a pre-game chat, someone joked about the game introducing the USS Trump. A number of jokes spilled forth about what a ship would be (gold-plated, orange, a big wall with floaties,etc.). One person then said that he never would have voted for Trump if he knew he would make the cabinet picks he did.

*facepalm* *headdesk*

This is going to be a long painful road.
Here's our rain chances for Soo Cal tomorrow just passing thru Santa Barbara/Ventura. Looks like pre frontal showers forming in ahead of the front being drawn up from the SW and are moving NE. Will see what happens as the front is forecast to weaken as it heads south and east.

We're going to be in the upper 70s this week after being in the freezer the last three days. Jumping for joy.
672. MahFL
Quoting 670. HurricaneHunterJoe:

Here's our rain chances for Soo Cal tomorrow just passing thru Santa Barbara/Ventura. Looks like pre frontal showers forming in ahead of the front being drawn up from the SW and are moving NE. Will see what happens as the front is forecast to weaken as it heads south and east.




The radar and sat pics look pretty solid to me, plenty of WV out there to affect South Cal.

Flash Flood Warning
Flash Flood Statement
National Weather Service San Francisco CA
1226 AM PST MON JAN 9 2017

CAC053-091000-
/O.CON.KMTR.FF.W.0014.000000T0000Z-170109T1000Z/
/00000.0.ER.000000T0000Z.000000T0000Z.000000T0000 Z.OO/
Monterey CA-
1226 AM PST MON JAN 9 2017

...THE FLASH FLOOD WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 200 AM PST FOR
NORTHWESTERN MONTEREY COUNTY...

EARLIER REPORTS OF A LEVEE FAILURE ALONG THE CARMEL RIVER AT PASO
HONDO IN CARMEL VALLEY VILLAGE WERE NOT CORRECT. THE RIVER LEVEE HAS
NOT FAILED. HOWEVER...THE CARMEL RIVER IS SPILLING OVER THE LEVEE
NEAR PASO HONDO AND HAS FLOODED ABOUT TEN HOMES. ACCORDING TO
MONTEREY COUNTY EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT OFFICIALS...THE CARMEL RIVER
CONTINUES TO OVERFLOW THE LEVEE AT THIS TIME. THEREFORE...THE FLASH
FLOOD WARNING ALONG THE CARMEL RIVER IN CARMEL VALLEY VILLAGE WILL
CONTINUE IN EFFECT UNTIL 200 AM PST MONDAY.

SOME LOCATIONS THAT WILL EXPERIENCE FLOODING INCLUDE...CARMEL VALLEY
VILLAGE.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

Turn around, don`t drown when encountering flooded roads. Most flood
deaths occur in vehicles.

A Flash Flood Warning means that flooding is imminent or occurring.
If you are in the warned area move to higher ground immediately.
Residents living along streams and creeks should take immediate
precautions to protect life and property.

&&

LAT...LON 3646 12172 3649 12177 3651 12175 3647 12171

$$
Flash Flood Warning
CAC029-107-091100-
/O.NEW.KHNX.FF.W.0008.170109T0806Z-170109T1100Z/
/00000.0.ER.000000T0000Z.000000T0000Z.000000T0000 Z.OO/

BULLETIN - EAS ACTIVATION REQUESTED
Flash Flood Warning
National Weather Service San Joaquin Valley CA
1206 AM PST MON JAN 9 2017

The National Weather Service in Hanford CA has issued a

* Flash Flood Warning for...
Northeastern Kern County in central California...
Southeastern Tulare County in central California...

* Until 300 AM PST

* At 1204 AM PST, Doppler radar indicated heavy rain across the
warned area. Flash flooding is expected to begin shortly.

Excessive rainfall over the Cedar Fire burn scar will result in
debris flow moving through the Caliente Creek Watershed. The debris
flow can consist of rock, mud, vegetation and other loose materials.

Additional rainfall amounts of 1 to 2 inches are possible in the
warned area.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

Move away from recently burned areas. Life-threatening flooding of
creeks, roads and normally dry arroyos is likely. The heavy rains
will likely trigger rockslides, mudslides and debris flows in steep
terrain, especially in and around these areas.
674. MahFL
Several fatalities have been reported in the ongoing rain in CA, ya'll be careful out there.
Some serious 24 hour rain totals

And more



And more

Quoting 672. MahFL:



The radar and sat pics look pretty solid to me, plenty of WV out there to affect South Cal.


Heres hoping!

Quoting 654. 999Ai2016:

Yes, Some Extreme Weather Can Be Blamed on Climate Change
Scientific American - January 2, 2017.
A leading scientist explains that improved computing and statistics can tie extreme events to global warming.
(...)
- What extreme event in 2016 had the clearest connection to climate change?
- The heat wave in the Arctic that's ongoing. It has been made orders of magnitude more likely due to climate change.


Spiking Temperatures in the Arctic Startle Scientists
NYTimes - December 21, 2016.
(...) Dr. Mathis added that changing conditions in the far north should concern everyone. "We need people to know and understand that the Arctic is going to have an impact on their lives no matter where they live."


There is more lightning in the northern hemisphere, and hence it's reasonable to attribute cO2 as a direct influence on heat trapping clouds there instead of a green house gas effect. Likewise, it's reasonable to attribute the increases in storm intensities, increases in storms across the equator to an influence that moves much faster than the coriolis effect. A green house gas effect would slowly warm the air and impact air flows slow enough that coriolis would matter. But the coriolis effect of an earth spinning at a 1,000 mph and then decreasing in speed toward the poles would be meaningless next to electrical currents that move at the speed of light or particles that move over 600 km/second like the solar winds move. storms close to equator defy connection as ghg forcing due to coriolis
Quoting 669. Xyrus2000:




1) It is now or rather was covered. Media in the long run is motivated by green after all. And not of the environment or food variety either. My point still stands that a lot of people learned about this close to 1 full day before all major new networks were reporting it. Even now I barely see it as front page anymore. The airport attack is getting more coverage. I expect to see more articles on why we need more gun control rather than why we need more police patrol on our most violent streets. Now if its something equivalent to Ferguson or Milwaukee it gets treated differently. Flip the narrative and everyone goes crazy. As mentioned, I'd probably be stuck or learn to avoid TX-288 to the TMC from Quanell X's protest crowd. Heck where are the social justice activists. Where is Obama, Zuckerberg and the Hollywood elite handing out praise and invites for visits to the victim on this? Those kind of actions speak louder than someone saying anything to get elected. The reaction to Clock boy ring a bell? This is real bias. This is what I mean.

2) Trump as well as the Republicans taking over everything is the consequence of 1) along with other issues. As idiotic as that sounds it is the truth and it is logical. Otherwise we'd have Hillary and/or Congress or at least a part of instead winning 10% more than what this close election was. Coupled with the fact that Sanders didn't stand a chance, its no wonder why the American people decided to half heartedly (from actively voting Trump to not participating at all) to give the bird to the Democratic party.

3) I am of mixed race. Asian and Hispanic. My family has various races. I could tell everyone the horror stories of how hard it is to apply and process US citizenship because my family and coworkers and friends know how hard it is, but that is beside the point since I do not even care about race. I only use it to counter argue the prevalent "racial privilege" mentality carried over into modern times. I've grown tired of every argument done to undermine our system out of fear. My family did things by the book. It took about a decade due to things outside our control (ex. clerical errors) but it was done. I expect everyone to get on board doing things by the book or at the very least closer to it otherwise we might as well have anarchy which unfortunately is where I see things are heading towards.

Steering towards climate change, I think it was dumb to go all into one party. This action had consequences. I can't stress enough that we should have had interests in both parties. Didn't matter if one party had more oil interests than the other since big oil was catering to not only Bush but Clinton as well. The Arabian elite along with collaborators in big oil are more of a plague of this century than anyone else. If and when a majority of our alt. energy goes beyond R&D into mainstream I'll have a toast come that day.

Sorry if I come off as annoyed but it just gets tiring to see 2016's problems drag into 2017 but eh whatever not everything changes in an instant. This year is one giant question mark with me hoping 2016 was the lowest of the low.
Quoting 680. Hurricane4Lex:



That was an agonizing read. Especially,
"As mentioned, I'd probably be stuck or learn to avoid TX-288 to the TMC from Quanell X's protest crowd. Heck where are the social justice activists. Where is Obama, Zuckerberg and the Hollywood elite handing out praise and invites for visits to the victim on this? Those kind of actions speak louder than someone saying anything to get elected. The reaction to Clock boy ring a bell? This is real bias. This is what I mean."

NWS Sacramento:

@NWSSacramento

Gates on the Sacramento Weir to open Mon for 1st time since Jan 2006. Widespread flooding of the Yolo Bypass will occur #CAstorm #CAflood

Quoting 680. Hurricane4Lex:



2) Trump as well as the Republicans taking over everything is the consequence of 1) along with other issues.

The "other issues" are far more important. First among those other issues are all those who were somewhere between uninspired to totally repelled by the idea of voting Clinton (and to a lesser extent other neoliberal Dems). IOW, Trump won by default, not through wild popularity.
Dark Age Dawning: Why Americans Should Fear Lawmakers Who Fear Science



Trump's anti-science policymakers risk setting off a chain reaction that threatens US jobs and competitiveness. Do they have what it takes to see the light - before it's too late? Commentary.
Quoting 631. wastedaway2000:

Quoting 627. BaltimoreBrian:
Buried 325 AD with a Roman couple near Pfalz, Germany, this may be world's oldest liquid wine, preserved under olive oil layer.

Well, I found it a little musty and some what "corked" Oh well, back to observing the weather and politics



I just noticed you have been a member since 2002 and this was your very first comment. That's going on 15 years and just one comment. Have you been lurking all this time or did you forget password something? I'm just curious. Patrap has over 144 thousand and he joined in 2005.
Did Putin help elect Trump to restore $500 billion Exxon oil deal killed by sanctions

Follow the money: Will Trump repay Putin by ending Russian sanctions and killing the Paris climate deal?


Russia’s $500 billion oil deal with Exxon was killed by U.S. sanctions. No doubt coincidentally, drilling In the Russian Arctic would be easier if warming-driven sea ice melt continued. CREDIT: Wall Street Journal, 9/11/2014.
January 9th Day Against Denial



On January 9th, people in all 50 states will send a message to every US Senator: reject Donald Trump's reckless climate denying cabinet nominees.

The Day Against Denial will fight back against some of Trump’s most dangerous cabinet picks:

- Rex Tillerson, CEO of Exxon, for Secretary of State
- Scott Pruitt for EPA Administrator
- Ex-Gov. Rick Perry for Secretary of Energy
- Rep. Ryan Zinke for Department of Interior

The climate is changing, and anyone who denies this shouldn't be in the White House cabinet. It's up to the Senate to stop these nominations -- and up to us to show up in person to tell our Senators to fight Trump's Climate Denial Cabinet.

That starts with rallies with all of our friends and neighbors, calling out our Senators to do the right thing and reject the nominations, and having direct conversation with the Senator’s staff to pass along the message that we, as constituents and voters, do not accept Trump’s dangerous nominations.

Toolkit for planning a demonstration outside Senate offices

Toolkit for planning a lobby meeting with Senate staff
Quoting 688. Xandra:



All about money, the root of all evil.
From The Huffington Post:

Pioneer Cabin Tree, Iconic Giant Sequoia With ‘Tunnel,’ Falls In Storm

The tree was “barely alive” due to the hole punched through it in the 1880s.



Pioneer Cabin Tree, an iconic giant sequoia in California’s Calaveras Big Trees State Park, was toppled during a massive storm that swept through the state on Sunday.

“The storm was just too much for it,” the Calaveras Big Trees Association wrote on Facebook along with images of the fallen giant taken by park volunteer Jim Allday:



Click here to read full article.
The Joker reads a PEOTUS tweet.
Quoting 675. washingaway:

Atmospheric river" from Hawaii pounding Northern California, threatening Nevada


Yeah, got a frog strangler pounding the roof right now.
Quoting 701. Skyepony:

Paddleboarder takes advantage of rising Truckee River in Reno

I got rainbowed when I clicked that link Sky.
From the Guardian:

Prepare for reanimation of the zombie myth ‘no global warming since 2016’

Pushback will be needed against an impending swarm of climate zombie myths

Climate myths are like zombies – you shoot them through the heart, walk away thinking they’re dead, and then they pop back up behind you and try once again to eat your brain.

So it is with Stage 1 climate denial and the myth that the Earth isn’t warming. It’s so persistent that it’s related to the 5th, 9th, and 49th-most popular myths in the Skeptical Science database. Climate deniers have been peddling the myth ‘no warming since [insert date]’ for over a decade.

It’s a popular myth among those who benefit from maintaining the status quo because if the problem doesn’t exist, obviously there’s no need for action to solve it. And it’s an incredibly easy argument that can be made at any time, using the telltale technique of climate denial known as cherry picking.

[...]

Be vigilant for zombie climate myths

In our current post-truth state, with individuals hostile to climate science and policy taking control of America’s government, we’re likely to see a resurgence of zombie climate myths in the coming years. To stop them, we have to make it socially unacceptable to resurrect long-debunked climate myths. We have to demand that our leaders accept that facts matter, and hold them accountable for disseminating myths and misinformation. Seepage and appeasement are no longer options.

Fortunately, the scientific community is stepping up to stand up for science, evidence, and facts. To beat back the zombies, they’ll need support from the rest of the public as well.

Click here to read full article.
Good Morning Folks; it's all about the Polar Jet this week but a nice warm up in the Southern Tier later in the week with warmer flow from below the current jet configuration and the function of the higher angle of the sun closer to the mid-latitudes in the Winter with much nicer warm-ups during the day as opposed to the Northern latitudes:





Quoting 703. washingaway:


I got rainbowed when I clicked that link Sky.

My bad..didn't even put a link in there, just some text...sometime rainbowed happens from total user error. Did it up right with a second cup of coffee.

Here is another... Not the feed store. The winter hay is looking threatened here.



Why do none of the Health Maps (Flu, Air Quality, UV Forecast and Peak Air Quality Index), no longer display on Weather Underground? This has been an ongoing problem for months. I've reported several times with no reply or correction.

Links for convenience:
https://www.wunderground.com/maps/us/2xFlu.html
https://www.wunderground.com/maps/us/AirQuality.h tml
https://www.wunderground.com/maps/us/UVForecast.h tml
https://www.wunderground.com/maps/us/MaxAQI.html
And a closer look at the continued moisture over CA and the Western tier; while the flooding continues, they are getting a record amount, as compared to recent years, of snow pack in the Sierras which will help with the drought issues and Springtime water needs:

U.S. Drought Monitor forWest



From fastcoexist.com:

One Year From Today, We'll Have Blown The World's Entire Carbon Budget

By one calculation, we have 365 days left to do something drastic with our carbon emissions before we lock in a future of drastic climate change.


[Photo: NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center/Flickr]

ADELE PETERS 01.09.17 6:00 AM

As of now—by the least optimistic calculations—the world has one year to stop pumping CO2 into the atmosphere if we want to stop climate change at 1.5 degrees Celsius of warming, the aim of the Paris climate agreement.

A carbon countdown clock from researchers at the Mercator Research Institute on Global Commons and Climate Change does the math, estimating the time left at current emission levels. Even with a higher limit of two degrees of warming and the most optimistic projections, we still only have about 23 years to fully transition to a carbon-free economy.

"Once we have exhausted the carbon budget, every ton of CO2 that is released by cars, buildings, or industrial plants would need to be compensated during the 21st century by removing the CO2 from the atmosphere again," says Fabian Löhe, a spokesperson for the Mercator researchers. "Generating such 'negative emissions' is even more challenging, and we do not know today at which scale we might be able to do that. Hence, the clock shows that time is running out: It is not enough to act sometime in the future, but it is necessary to implement more ambitious climate policies already in the very short-term."

Click here to read full article.
Quoting 710. Xandra:

From fastcoexist.com:

One Year From Today, We'll Have Blown The World's Entire Carbon Budget

By one calculation, we have 365 days left to do something drastic with our carbon emissions before we lock in a future of drastic climate change
'negative emissions' is even more challenging, and we do not know today at which scale we might be able to do that. Hence, the clock shows that time is running out: It is not enough to act sometime in the future, but it is necessary to implement more ambitious climate policies already in the very short-term."

Click here to read full article.


Negative carbon emissions are possible at the local, state, federal and world level.
Arbor day - free Groot Kits or Trees. Plant several trees.
Grow algae
Make it a contest July 2016 - "India Plants 50 Million Trees in One Day, Smashing World Record"
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/07/india- plants-50-million-trees-uttar-pradesh-reforestatio n/
Hire the Chinese (the only ones who can beat India, IMO)
Tip, plant some trees and keep them under a street light - they do grow faster.
718. bwi
We got out of record low Arctic sea ice levels for a couple days, but now back in 1st and worst. Lots of storms still up there, which I think portends more delayed freezeup at the fringes.

(deleted by cRR)
Man sleeping in his car saved from surging Petaluma River



Tim Smith is homeless and was sleeping in his car when he woke up and found he needed rescue from the rising waters.
Ooh, me, me! (waving hand frantically at the teacher)
Persimmons is my guess. The Ebenaceae (ebony family) is mostly tropical with the exception of the genus Diospyros, which all tend to produce fruit in the fall. The fruit stays astringent until after the first frosts, then turns sweet. The best way to grow the one native across North America (Diospyros virginiana) is to plant "pre-cleaned" seeds that have passed through the gut of a raccoon. Piles of these can often be found not too far from the tree in the winter.

Quoting 633. HaoleboySurfEC:

Fruit Quiz

Only temperate member of a tropical family of trees. Revered by Thomas Jefferson. Lewis & Clark turned to them when provisions ran thin. What are they? And has anyone ever enjoyed a wild one?

Another chilly night expected here in Florence, SC. Expected low 19F.
We are adding 400,000 tonnes of CO2 to the biosphere every Hour.

The Human induced warming continues,

unabated.


Just patches of snow left on the ground here. 50s today 60s tomorrow. Then we must be prepared for a possible ice event beginning Friday and lasting through the weekend (add: or longer, depending on the impacts). Ah... winter in Oklahoma.

From NWS Norman, excerpted from a Special Weather Statement:
...Dangerous Winter Storm Possible Friday into Sunday...


"A slow moving storm system will affect the southern Plains Friday
into Sunday, bringing heavy amounts of precipitation to the
region. A wintry mix of primarily rain and freezing rain is
expected across the area. Some sleet and snow may also be
possible across northern and western parts of Oklahoma. Exact
precipitation types, amounts, and locations remain uncertain at
this time.

"What we know at this time:

Significant ice accumulations over 0.25 inches will be possible for portions of Oklahoma and western north Texas.

Snow and sleet accumulations could occur in western and northern Oklahoma in addition to any ice accumulations.

Flooding may result due to heavy rainfall across portions of south central and southeastern Oklahoma.

Impacts...Hazardous travel conditions will be likely. Power outages may result from heavy ice accumulations."
Yes Patrick,

... come January 20th, Doom, Orange toned doom everywhere Breaux'




And in terms of the global tropics, where much of the Earths heat is retained in the equatorial regions and related ITCZ, we have one current tropical depression in the Northern Pacific hemisphere:



Quoting 633. HaoleboySurfEC:

Fruit Quiz

Only temperate member of a tropical family of trees. Revered by Thomas Jefferson. Lewis & Clark turned to them when provisions ran thin. What are they? And has anyone ever enjoyed a wild one?

Another chilly night expected here in Florence, SC. Expected low 19F.


PawPaws are also the only temperate species of a tropical family.
Why was 734 deleted?
Lots of weather news happening right now. This is a weather and climate blog..Comments need to be about the weather and/or climate. Yes, there is also alot of politics happening right now but it should not overshadow these large weather events directly affecting millions of people today on this blog. Political comments need to be about weather or climate..





All the risks of climate change, in a single graph
There are a lot of them.


Updated by David Roberts@drvoxdavid@vox.com Jan 9, 2017, 8:40am EST

The risks of climate change are not easy to communicate clearly. Since the atmosphere affects everything, everything will be affected by its warming — there’s no single risk, but a wide and varied array of risks, of different severities and scales, affecting different systems, unfolding on different timelines. It’s difficult to convey to a layperson, at least without droning on and on.

One of the better-known and more controversial attempts to address this problem is a graphic from the reports by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. The so-called “burning embers” graph attempts to render the various risks of climate change — “reasons for concern,” or RFCs — in an easy-to-grasp visual form.

In a new paper in the journal Nature Climate Change, a group of 17 scholars examines the RFC conceptual framework and reviews the latest science. (Because IPCC reports take so long to produce, the science they contain is always a few years behind.)

Long story short, they find that the graphic is generally accurate (though it has key limitations). They offer suggestions for how the RFC framework could be extended in the future to “better account for possible changes in social and ecological system vulnerability.”

I won’t get into the details — I just want to have a look at their new and improved burning-embers graph, which is up at the top of this post.

As you can see, there is a ton of information about the risks of climate change crammed in there, so it’s worth unpacking a bit. It offers a remarkably coherent overview of the various risks that lie ahead this century.

Rain woke me up this morning.........Surprise surprise........It's raining in Soo Cal again! Tail end is coming through! Tail was supposed to weaken but looks like it held together just fine! These kind of storms DO NOTHING BUT GOOD for us after a very wet December!

True! But since Asimina triloba, the pawpaw, is a summer-fruiting species and I was trying to keep the blog weather-related, I figured we were getting quizzed about a winter-fruiting tree :)

Quoting 733. georgevandenberghe:



PawPaws are also the only temperate species of a tropical family.
Why are so many posts missing?
Quoting 737. Skyepony:

Lots of weather news happening right now. This is a weather and climate blog..Comments need to be about the weather and/or climate. Yes, there is also alot of politics happening right now but it should not overshadow these large weather events directly affecting millions of people today on this blog. Political comments need to be about weather or climate..







Then I urge you to curb posts about the golden globes and football otherwise these actions of removing comments display bias and censorship. What was discussed in so far do affect climate change politics since politics in general takes into consideration more than just climate change. This is why politics should just be kept out of a weather blog in general or you end up with the mess you're seeing.
Are we back to snow at Lake Tahoe oldnewmex? or anyone else?
Quoting 712. TechnoCaveman:



Negative carbon emissions are possible at the local, state, federal and world level.
Arbor day - free Groot Kits or Trees. Plant several trees.
Grow algae
Make it a contest July 2016 - "India Plants 50 Million Trees in One Day, Smashing World Record"
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/07/india- plants-50-million-trees-uttar-pradesh-reforestatio n/
Hire the Chinese (the only ones who can beat India, IMO)
Tip, plant some trees and keep them under a street light - they do grow faster.



Unless you plan to bury the trees, you're not going to do much about the atmospheric CO2 problem. There's a reason why it's called a "carbon cycle".

In addition, you can't plant enough trees to even make a dent in global carbon production. Think of it this way. It took millions of years of dead forests and organic matter to produce the fossil fuels we use. We're burning it in a fraction of that time. We're not going to plant millions of years worth of trees.

Or to put a mathematical spin on it, let's a say a good carbon hungry hardwood gets 20 tons of C02 out of the air. We're currently producing 35.9 Gt of carbon emissions a year. To plant enough trees to counteract one year would require planting 1,795,000,000 trees. Let's say for the sake of argument each tree needs 4 m^2 of space to grow (too small, but let's go with that). To grow 1.8 billion trees would require 7.18 million km^2. The US is 9.834 million km^2. So every year you would need to plant a forest roughly 73% the size of the US. Then when it matures you'd have to cut it all down and bury deep enough so that the carbon can't re-enter the atmospheric carbon cycle.

This is just for one year. That's the scale we're talking about. If you want a somewhat realistic analog of how much we're impacting our world, think of burning a tightly packed forest about the size of the continental US every year.

Planting trees is a nice sentiment, and is certainly a good thing environmentally. But trees aren't going to do much in regards to global carbon production.
Quoting 688. Xandra:

Did Putin help elect Trump to restore $500 billion Exxon oil deal killed by sanctions

Follow the money: Will Trump repay Putin by ending Russian sanctions and killing the Paris climate deal?


Russia’s $500 billion oil deal with Exxon was killed by U.S. sanctions. No doubt coincidentally, drilling In the Russian Arctic would be easier if warming-driven sea ice melt continued. CREDIT: Wall Street Journal, 9/11/2014.



Russia already had Clinton in their back pocket. She would gladly work out a deal with Russia.
No one on the left seemed to care about the Clinton's making millions from selling U.S. Uranium (used to make Nuclear weapons) to Russia.
The Clinton Foundation received millions from investors as Putin took over 20% of US uranium deposits

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Some rainfall totals for SW California from NWS San Diego.....it's really coming down now!

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A Happy 74th Birthday to "Zoso", James Patrick Page.

The Song Remains the Same.


Good morning from the redwood coast! A significant precipitation event is underway here and expected to continue through midweek, at which point high pressure will build over the area and allow us to dry out a bit. We got 1.52" of rain yesterday that continued in the pattern I described earlier, and this morning started off with a bang as a thunder cell moved right over our house, generating 3 instances of lightning and thunder accompanied by extremely heavy wind and rain. Tremendous amounts of water are moving throughout the region generating stream and main stem river rises, but no flooding as of 8:30 AM. Another slug of heavy winds and rain is projected to impact the area soon, which could potentially dump 1-2" on Tuesday.
Quoting 748. Sfloridacat5:



Russia already had Clinton in their back pocket. She would gladly work out a deal with Russia.
No one on the left seemed to care about the Clinton's making millions from selling U.S. Uranium (used to make Nuclear weapons) to Russia.
The Clinton Foundation received millions from investors as Putin took over 20% of US uranium deposits

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Isn't our next Sec of State Tillerman? Didn't he run Mobil-Exxon?
Quoting 718. bwi:

We got out of record low Arctic sea ice levels for a couple days, but now back in 1st and worst. Lots of storms still up there, which I think portends more delayed freezeup at the fringes.




The volume number, the "true" measure of how much ice there is, is even worse. The forecast for the arctic still has well above normal temperatures persisting. This has been a very bad winter for arctic sea ice. Even if we have just normal melt conditions this summer it's likely we'll see a new record minimum in 2017.
Quoting 746. HurricaneHunterJoe:

Are we back to snow at Lake Tahoe oldnewmex? or anyone else?


Yes. Snow level dropped around 4:00 am.
.18 of rain so far with more to come.......bring it on! This has been a good winter so far in Soo Cal......storms are moderate for the most part limiting runoff and when we had a few strong storms.....they were spaced enough days apart to prevent the runoff....it's all been soaking in and like I said last month....you can smell the dirt, vegetation and trees of the mountains....All is good! Now, on the political side of things.....apparently there is another story...LOL
Quoting 508. aquak9:

Made the last-minute decision around midnite to pick all the green tomatoes. Was the right decision, as we had over four hours of sub-freezing temps. Local mets had us with a low of 31º; but we bottomed out at 28.7º.

Now I got a whole new set of problems!



These will probably ripen over a four to six week period. Put them in a cool place, ideally around 60-65F to slowly ripen them. Below 55F, flavor is compromised, above 65F they ripen and rot faster. Put them in a single layer, not stacked.
21 dead after worst rain 'in 30 years' in southern Thailand
Saw some of this on Youtube earlier. It's outdoing the flood in the West so far.



Quoting 743. blueyedbiker:


Its an agenda thing, You can only spout the same ole leftist crap over and over on here
This is why this blog has gone down hill so badly
Its a my way or you get deleted blog now.


Please, go ahead say anything from the right related to climate or weather, it would be refreshing after that multiple off-topic political blog wreck.

Quoting 755. oldnewmex:


Yes. Snow level dropped around 4:00 am.
Quoting 755. oldnewmex:


Yes. Snow level dropped around 4:00 am.


Excellent ! Was the snow that you had earlier all melted? How much snow do you have now? Or is it expected to really restart snowing later? Do you really want 1-3 feet of the white stuff? I know I would...LOL
Quoting 755. oldnewmex:


Yes. Snow level dropped around 4:00 am.


From sacramento area - we had a pretty good dump yesterday! Snow levels were really high yesterday for a good amount of rainfall in the mountains where it usually snows. We expect a lot of melt to runoff soon. We can handle it but I'd be wary for Tuesday.

Looks like very minor flooding overall in the region and not too damaging. Ground is saturated and the wife has asked me to remove a young tree from our front yard :(. It's on a slope and there wasn't much grab in its young life.

Not expecting drought to be over at all. Aquifers still need to recharged and snowpack built up.
Though there have been some flooding issues, I have not seen yet any that are real bad. Im thinking California as a whole is one HAPPY CAMPER as the whole state is and has been getting in on the action for over a month now.......just keep that spigot open and space the storms out and that would be the perfect solution to our drought......these rains have to help the drought situation. Ina perfect world, I would ask that after our current "atmospheric river" is done lets keep the storms on the cold side and pound the high elevation Sierra's with bookoo snow that will melt well into summer......so I can make a trip to Yosemite and all falls flowing big time......sorry for being greedy. S high elevation(above 6-7 thousand feet) snow and low elevation rains to recharge underground aquifers and I for one and Im sure many others will "mucho contento"!
Quoting 756. HurricaneHunterJoe:

.18 of rain so far with more to come.......bring it on! This has been a good winter so far in Soo Cal......storms are moderate for the most part limiting runoff and when we had a few strong storms.....they were spaced enough days apart to prevent the runoff....it's all been soaking in and like I said last month....you can smell the dirt, vegetation and trees of the mountains....All is good! Now, on the political side of things.....apparently there is another story...LOL


.56 here according to CA-RV-19, 1.45 this Month.
believing in climate change is not a leftest agenda. its everyones agenda. hope everyone has a good yr
Quoting 765. PedleyCA:



.56 here according to CA-RV-19, 1.45 this Month.


Just started here Pedley........great news for the entire state the way these storms have been rolling in! Keep them coming for the rest of winter....January taking over where December left off. Maybe 2 more shots at rain this week, not huge storms but good enough.
my goal this winter is to get the best 'snow snakes' as i like to call them, that can even spin up into little snow vortices.





-4 degrees celsius here (Toronto), sun just came out through the low snow laden low clouds of a brief alberta clipper coming through, before a gross mix of snow and rain tomorrow. i took today off (work as a bike courier) but am really wishing i'd waited till tomorrow :/
The active weather pattern will continue on Monday with valley rain showers and mountain snow. Even though precipitation will be much lighter on Monday, many rivers will continue to rise as the water that fell on Sunday moves down the Sierra. Another wet system looks to move into Northern California on Tuesday which could cause more flooding problems and impact mountain travel.




Quoting 764. Patrap:

A Iconic Sequoia is lost to the Storms.




JAN 9 2017, 9:40 AM ET
Pioneer Cabin Tree, Famous for Tunnel, Is Toppled by Storm
by DON MELVIN and KURT CHIRBAS





This was on my bucket list. So sad.
With the "tail" of the front/storm coming through right now, looks to be a 2-4 hour shot of rain for Soo Cal with maybe a few post frontal showers.

Fascinating. And my first guess too. However not the answer I was searching for.

Temps in Florence, SC beginning to moderate. 35F at noon. Bright sun, light winds. A perfect alpine skiing morning. Unfortunately flat as a pancake 'round here with no snow on the ground.

Quoting 721. ToesInTheWater:

Ooh, me, me! (waving hand frantically at the teacher)
Persimmons is my guess. The Ebenaceae (ebony family) is mostly tropical with the exception of the genus Diospyros, which all tend to produce fruit in the fall. The fruit stays astringent until after the first frosts, then turns sweet. The best way to grow the one native across North America (Diospyros virginiana) is to plant "pre-cleaned" seeds that have passed through the gut of a raccoon. Piles of these can often be found not too far from the tree in the winter.


Ding ding ding! Winner. I heard wild varieties are growing on the banks of Potomac and enjoyed by some lucky kayakers. NPR did a story a ways back.

Quoting 733. georgevandenberghe:



PawPaws are also the only temperate species of a tropical family.
Blame the winter tomato post. Lol. Thanks for playing! I had fun. I have days off after 3 months of 100 hour weeks and no surf today to really speak of. Although PR may be doing something. Otherwise waiting for the next storm.

Saturday was probably the coldest surf session I've had since moving south of the Outer Banks. Felt more like a NJ winter day in the water.

Quoting 742. ToesInTheWater:

True! But since Asimina triloba, the pawpaw, is a summer-fruiting species and I was trying to keep the blog weather-related, I figured we were getting quizzed about a winter-fruiting tree :)


Area Forecast Discussion...UPDATED
National Weather Service San Diego CA
428 AM PST Mon Jan 9 2017


.SYNOPSIS...
Periods of rain will come and go this week along with some strong
winds in the mountains and deserts. The first rain will move
through the region this morning. The next rain will arrive late
Tuesday and continue Wednesday. A third rain event will arrive
Thursday. Dry and cool offshore flow will develop this weekend.

&&

.DISCUSSION...FOR EXTREME SOUTHWESTERN CALIFORNIA INCLUDING ORANGE...
SAN DIEGO...WESTERN RIVERSIDE AND SOUTHWESTERN SAN BERNARDINO
COUNTIES...

A broad trough of low pressure covers the northeast Pacific Ocean
and has been driving rain through California. Southern California
will be on the southern fringes of this broad path of moisture
moving through most of the state for most of this week. A series
of three waves will bring rain, but no snow outside of the highest
peaks. This morning the tail end of the first band of rain will
move through Southern California and taper off this afternoon.
This wave also has strong winds mainly for portions of the
mountains and deserts with some gusts topping 60 mph. Some gusts
at Burns Canyon on the eastern slopes of the San Bernardino
Mountains have exceeded 80 mph. Gusts like that won`t be
widespread, but it shows what a strong flow aloft we have. Winds
will gradually diminish later today, but not calm down completely.
The rain will move out late today, but there is no clean clear out
expected for clouds. The next wave arrives later Tuesday into
Wednesday and will take advantage of the persisting moist
atmosphere. Even though there isn`t much energy, it will be enough
for more rain. It will also bring up the winds again in the
mountains and deserts. Not much clear out after that rain event
either, as the next trough arrives Wednesday night and Thursday.
This trough actually brings colder air but not as much wind or
moisture. That will mean snow for the mountains as the snow levels
drop on Thursday and Thursday night. That system should move out
Friday morning. Rainfall will not be too heavy for any of these
storms, probably less than an inch total for San Diego, but a few
inches could add up in the San Bernardino Mountains this week. A
high pressure ridge begins to build along the west coast along
with cool offshore flow over Southern California. It looks dry and
gradually warmer this coming weekend.
Quoting 758. Skyepony:

21 dead after worst rain 'in 30 years' in southern Thailand
Saw some of this on Youtube earlier. It's outdoing the flood in the West so far.




Please, go ahead say anything from the right related to climate or weather, it would be refreshing after that multiple off-topic political blog wreck.




Before the rainbow thing, here's what I posted and it elaborates more on one of my earlier posts.

If climate change scientist were so serious, we would have invested time in both left and right parties. Why it became a leftist only issue is dumb. Big oil has a their bases covered. If not the party of Bush then the party of Clinton. You can ignore Saudi special interest funding...

As for saying what I wanna say, the blog turns into a mess because broken policy on here allows it to. Also you could have taken this to WUmail instead you have to display it open on the blog and justify it openly. Why is that? I believe in discretion but I also believe in dialogue. I'm only continuing to post off topic here because I do not even know if you'll read WUmail let alone disappear comments regarding topics like what was on last night that were clearly not weather related.
Are comments posting? My first reply to this comment contained a link but did not post.
Quoting 772. CraigsIsland:



This was on my bucket list. So sad.
No need to take it off your list yet. Your comment made me recall a drive thru tree in far NorCal that is probably still alive. Possible more than one drive thru tree remain up there.
re:
778. Hurricane4Lex

I guess scientists need to spend more money on advertising to the right and to the left...i.e. to everybody.
Do you see the flaw in my comment?
982mb LOW near the US Canadian border out in the Pacific.

1045m HIGH dominating the CONUS Se and Middle Atlantic into the Neast.

Ahhhhh, already back to nearing 70 now. 2 mornings in the mid 20s at my location. Nice freeze.
Up here in Northern Illinois we're on a roller-coaster, temperature-wise. 28° F now, but rising all night long until 45° tomorrow, and again the next day. Thin ice is coming around here. Ice skaters beware!
Weather can get scary but there's nuttin' scary about German Shepherds or the sunny days that follow snow.
Fo' shoe-uh.
;)
This was wiped out in backyard, it's in the ground, don't know name



And so was neighbors bougainvillea

June Mountain in the Sierra's got 36" snow the last 24 hours as the "atmospheric river" moved down to Central California. Some other snow reports for the Sierra's.....Mammoth Mountain 100" at the base and 200" on top!

Link
Quoting 779. Barefootontherocks:

Your comment made me recall a drive thru tree in far NorCal that is probably still alive. Possible more than one drive thru tree remain up there.

This one, perhaps? I got to drive through a couple years ago.
Chandelier drive through tree
It was obviously cut out when cars weren't the enormous beasts they are now.
Edit: Fold your mirrors in.
Quoting 790. HurricaneHunterJoe:

June Mountain in the Sierra's got 36" snow the last 24 hours as the "atmospheric river" moved down to Central California. Some other snow reports for the Sierra's.....Mammoth Mountain 100" at the base and 200" on top!

Link



Gadzook's!



Quoting 789. RitaEvac:

This was wiped out in backyard, it's in the ground, don't know name



And so was neighbors bougainvillea




Mexican petunias I believe. Correct me if I'm wrong. Also it was cold this weekend. 25-27F as lows did this.
Quoting 789. RitaEvac:

This was wiped out in backyard, it's in the ground, don't know name



And so was neighbors bougainvillea





The bougainvillea may grow back from the roots. Past freezes took mine down to the ground.
Oh it'll all grow back.
Quoting 785. RitaEvac:

Ahhhhh, already back to nearing 70 now. 2 mornings in the mid 20s at my location. Nice freeze.

As far as I am concerned there is no such thing as a nice freeze.
Quoting 794. RitaEvac:

Let's get some input from Floridians on why this is happening off the FL coast in the GOM with the clouds




I never saw anything like that before. Sure would love an explanation.
Quoting 794. RitaEvac:

Let's get some input from Floridians on why this is happening off the FL coast in the GOM with the clouds




Looks to me like the clouds are interacting with the the big ULL/Tutt Cell draped across the Gomex (which is still relatively warm in terms of SST's in the Central Gulf) after passage of the frontal low a few days ago................Crystal clear in the at the mid-and surface levels in terms of any cyclonic or anti-cyclonic circulations; strictly an upper air feature acting on the clouds......................That is my best guess:



Quoting 797. washingaway:


As far as I am concerned there is no such thing as a nice freeze.


When it's been few years, it helps wipe out some insects especially in the lawn, hopefully chinch bugs
If the air was not so dry in the Eastern gulf, you might have been able to squeeze some rain out from baroclinic interaction with the main Tutt cell just off the East Coast of Florida.................





Quoting 781. ChiThom:

re:
778. Hurricane4Lex

I guess scientists need to spend more money on advertising to the right and to the left...i.e. to everybody.
Do you see the flaw in my comment?


Nope because I said nothing about money. Time may equal money in some cases but not all the time. 5 mins of time in a calm logical discussion is all one needs. I can start by saying to deniers that we can change our climate. Just look at if we used nukes. I'll also throw in that we shouldn't be swimming around in filth like I've seen in the Phililppines and in Galveston. Madagorda Bay is worse. I see red over there.
Quoting 794. RitaEvac:

Let's get some input from Floridians on why this is happening off the FL coast in the GOM with the clouds




Rick Scott is on Florida's west coast giving a climate speech?
Its weather, as cold air sinks and warm air rises.

The Land Heats up faster than the water does.



Street Clouds acquired December 17, 2007

Unless Darpa is testing some kind of "shield" off the West coast of FL................Weird looking for sure.
Probably dry cooler air over FL going over relatively cooler water then hits the much warmer water farther out causing clouds, I'm assuming that sharp contrast is where the much warmer water is.
Quoting 802. Hurricane4Lex:



Nope because I said nothing about money. Time may equal money in some cases but not all the time. 5 mins of time in a calm logical discussion is all one needs. I can start by saying to deniers that we can change our climate. Just use look at nukes. I'll also throw in that we shouldn't be swimming around in filth like I've seen in the Phililppines and in Galveston. Madagorda Bay is worse. I see red over there.


I don't understand why people swim or get in at Galveston...
Quoting 772. CraigsIsland:



This was on my bucket list. So sad.

While the loss of this tree is indeed sad, there are several more drive thru trees in NorCal, including several drive thru redwoods!

Weather wise we're in a bit of a lull between storms here. The temperature today is much, much cooler than it was over the weekend, and these cold storms tend to be much more energetic and fast moving compared to the warm ones.

Quoting 806. RitaEvac:

Probably dry cooler air over FL going over relatively cooler water then hits the much warmer water farther out causing clouds, I'm assuming that sharp contrast is where the much warmer water is.
You nailed it.....................Looks to me like Gulf eddy is causing the straight-line demarcation in the SSTs:

Need to get on a boat off FL in the East Gulf and get under that sharp contrast where the clouds start forming, anchor, and document, and post on YouTube :)

GFS still hinting at a VERY WET last 10 days of January for Northern, Central and Soo Cal. Let's see if the GFS holds that forecast next week and beyond. IF the forecast VERIFIES, the storm door is OPEN again.








GFS forecasting 3-4" rain San Diego County, Riverside county and some totals of 6"-10"on mountains just north of Los Angeles metro area. This is in the Jan 19-25 time frame.

We will see what the models say 72-120 hours out but GFS staying with the wet forecast for a few days now.
Quoting 807. RitaEvac:



I don't understand why people swim or get in at Galveston...


This is why I do it. No, that is not me in the picture. That is just where I would like to be. As an aside, don't drink the water. Saltwater is not good for you. :)

Quoting 807. RitaEvac:



I don't understand why people swim or get in at Galveston...


I know that feel. My best explaination is that I know a couple of people who drive down on vacation from Dallas. They've never seen a coastline in their life. My goodness imagine when they go on vacation to San Padre or Panama City, FL.
JeffMasters has created a new entry.
Quoting 812. Some1Has2BtheRookie:



This is why I do it. No, that is not me in the picture. That is just where I would like to be. As an aside, don't drink the water. Saltwater is not good for you. :)




For sport I wouldn't mind. Now eating it.... I did get sick eating fresh caught shrimp in kemah. Not that all seafood brought to the restaurants are bad but no doubt I'll have second thoughts if it's advertised as fresh caught in the bay.
GFS 300mb jet stream at 10 days out....look at that big yellow,orange and red jet pointing toward you know where! This is going to be interesting to keep tabs on until the model crashes and burns or verifies. BTW ECMWF does show a 985mb low west of Oregon near that GFS forecast jet.Looks like some 180 kts in that jet!

Quoting 745. Hurricane4Lex:

Then I urge you to curb posts about the golden globes and football otherwise these actions of removing comments display bias and censorship. What was discussed in so far do affect climate change politics since politics in general takes into consideration more than just climate change. This is why politics should just be kept out of a weather blog in general or you end up with the mess you're seeing.

I disagree on the politics, that's relevant.
But I don't come here to find food pictures and tomato recipes.
Quoting 757. georgevandenberghe:


These will probably ripen over a four to six week period. Put them in a cool place, ideally around 60-65F to slowly ripen them. Below 55F, flavor is compromised, above 65F they ripen and rot faster. Put them in a single layer, not stacked.

slice them, bread them and fry them for scrumptious Fried Freen Tomatos. lol
Quoting 817. EmsiNasklug:


I disagree on the politics, that's relevant.
But I don't come here to find food pictures and tomato recipes.


LOL, but that's a part and or pracel of the entire blog experience. Just like the old men around the pickle barrel discusing the weather, their wives, and Uncle Joe's ingrown toenail. It is what is is.