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Eastern U.S. digs out from the Nor'easter of 2009

By: Dr. Jeff Masters, 8:10 PM GMT on December 20, 2009

The mighty Nor'easter of December 2009 has moved out to sea, taking most of its snow with it, but a very white Christmas is in store for millions of U.S. residents, thanks to the 1 - 2 feet of snow the storm left behind, from the Smoky Mountains to Massachusetts. Winter begins tomorrow, but Philadelphia, Pennsylvania has already recorded more than an entire winter's worth of snow--a ridiculous 23.2 inches from this weekend's storm, the second heaviest snowfall in Philadelphia history. The all time record is 30.7 inches, set during the January 1996 blizzard. The normal winter snowfall for an entire season is 19.3 inches.

The 15 inches that fell at Reagan National Airport in Washington D.C. Saturday broke the all-time record for any single calendar day snowfall in December for Washington D.C., and was the third greatest snowfall in the city since records began in 1884. The previous December single calendar daily record was 11.5 inches set on Dec 17, 1932. The two-day snow total of 16.4 inches was the 6th highest 2-day snowfall on record for D.C., and December 2009 is now the snowiest December on record for the nation's capital,

In nearby Baltimore, the 20.5 inches of snow measured Saturday will go down as the fifth highest daily snowfall on any calendar day at Baltimore since snowfall records began in 1893. The storm total snowfall of 21.0 inches of snowfall on Dec 18-19 2009 marks the 6th highest two-day snowfall record for Baltimore. December 2009 is now the snowiest December on record in Baltimore, with 22.2 inches. The previous record was 20.4", set in 1966.


Figure 1. Visible satellite image from 12:01 pm EST on December 20, 2009, showing the Nor'easter of 2009 off the U.S. Northeast coast. Image credit: NASA/GSFC GOES project.

Some selected storm total snowfalls (in inches) from 1am Tuesday through 4am Sunday, courtesy of the National Weather Service:

...CONNECTICUT...
NORWICH 17.0
GROTON 16.0
STORRS 15.0
MANSFIELD 14.5
HADDAM 14.0
OLD SAYBROOK 12.0
LISBON 11.0
DARIEN 10.5
NEW HAVEN 10.5
MILFORD 10.0

...KENTUCKY...
HARLAN 7.0
BEATTYVILLE 6.0
WILLIAMSBURG 1NNW 6.0

...MASSACHUSETTS...
SANDWICH 16.0
ATTLEBOROUGH CITY 15.0
MIDDLEBOROUGH 15.0
WAREHAM 15.0
FRANKLIN 14.0
BOURNE 13.5
YARMOUTH 12.0
WAYLAND 11.5
NORWOOD 10.0
BOSTON 7.0

...NEW JERSEY...
ATCO 24.0
MEDFORD 24.0
NEWPORT 24.0
TABERNACLE 24.0
JACKSON 23.5
BLACKWOOD 22.0
SICKLERVILLE 22.0
SWEDESBORO 22.0
TOMS RIVER 21.0
TURNERSVILLE 20.5
CHERRY HILL 20.0
MOUNT HOLLY 16.6
ATLANTIC CITY 12.1

...NEW YORK...
UPTON 24.9
SAG HARBOR 20.0
NORTH BABYLON 19.0
COMMACK 18.2
ISLIP 17.1
MOUNT SINAI 16.1
ORIENT 15.0
STONY BROOK 14.9
FLORAL PARK 13.5
MASSAPEQUA 11.6
BROOKLYN MARINE PARK 11.5
LIDO BEACH 11.5
JFK ARPT 10.9
NYC CENTRAL PARK 10.9

...PENNSYLVANIA...
PHILADELPHIA 23.2
HILLTOWN 20.5
BROGUE 20.0
QUARRYVILLE 20.0
FOLCROFT 19.0
WEST CALN 18.6
SECANE 18.5
PEQUEA 18.0
UPPER CHICHESTER 18.0
ORRTANNA 17.1
WALLINGFORD 17.0

...RHODE ISLAND...
WEST GREENWICH 20.0
PORTSMOUTH 18.0
SOUTH KINGSTOWN 18.0
COVENTRY 17.0
HOPE 17.0
BARRINGTON 16.0

...WASHINGTON, DC...
AMERICAN UNIVERSITY 16.0
THE MALL 16.0

...DELAWARE...
WILMINGTON 17.0
HARTLY 15.5
NEWARK 13.9
WOODSIDE 12.8

...MARYLAND...
OLNEY 23.3
BETHESDA 23.0
COLUMBIA 23.0
DERWOOD 23.0
SIMPSONVILLE 1 SSE 22.9
GAITHERSBURG 1 NW 22.0
GERMANTOWN 22.0
BALTIMORE-BWI 21.1
GLENMONT 21.0
SMITHSBURG 21.0
ANNAPOLIS 20.8
MILLINGTON 20.0
FREDERICK 19.0

...NORTH CAROLINA ...
ROBBINSVILLE 12 W 24.0
ASHEVILLE 17.0
BOONE 16.0
EAST MARION 15.0
RUTHERWOOD 15.0
FLEETWOOD 14.0
WAYNESVILLE 13.8
WEST JEFFERSON 13.0
MARSHALL 7 N 12.0
GREENSBORO 4.5

...OHIO...
BRIDGEPORT 5.0

...VIRGINIA...
INDIAN VALLEY 26.0
MUSTOE 25.4
FISHERVILLE 25.0
ROCKY BAR 3 ENE 24.0
CROZET 1SSE 23.0
COVINGTON 22.6
CENTREVILLE 1 SE 22.0
ALEXANDRIA 19.0
DULLES INTERNATIONAL 18.0
REAGAN NATIONAL ARPT 16.4

...WEST VIRGINIA...
MARLINTON 26.0
FRIARS HILL 25.0
HORSE SHOE RUN 25.0
BECKLEY 24.0
HENDRICKS 24.0
JUMPING BRANCH 24.0
CANAAN VALLEY STATE 3SW 22.0
WILLIAMSBURG 22.0
GRANDVIEW 21.0
CHARLES TOWN 18.0


Copenhagen
Our Climate Change expert, Dr. Ricky Rood, has left Copenhagen's COP15 climate change talks, and is now facing a challenge of a different sort--how to get out of snowbound Washington D..C. His latest post, called The Party is Over: Copenhagen Devolved presents a fascinating look at what it was like to be at the conference, and what was (and was not) accomplished there. I'll be posting my own summary of the legacy of the Copenhagen talks soon.

Next post
I'll have another post Tuesday.

Jeff Masters
Maple Lawn after the blizzard
Maple Lawn after the blizzard
17 inches
Push!
Push!
During the big December, 2009 Northeast snow storm.

The views of the author are his/her own and do not necessarily represent the position of The Weather Company or its parent, IBM.

Reader Comments

Portion of our area forecast discussion. Patrap's surface map for 00Z 12-24-09 looks like a springtime severe weather outbreak in the making for the Eastern half of TX

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE FORT WORTH TX
1221 PM CST TUE DEC 22 2009

ON WEDNESDAY...UPPER LOW APPROACHES THE SOUTHERN PLAINS WITH
SURFACE CYCLONE TAKING SHAPE AND DEEPENING ACROSS THE TX/OK
PANHANDLES. ISENTROPIC ASCENT/LOW LEVEL WARM ADVECTION CONTINUES
ACROSS THE HILL COUNTRY AND INTO NORTH TEXAS WITH TUESDAY NIGHTS
REMNANT ACTIVITY TRANSITIONING TO THE NORTHEAST ALONG WITH THE LOW
LEVEL JET. MEANWHILE...SURFACE DRYLINE ADVANCES INTO THE WESTERN
PARTS OF THE CWA BY EARLY AFTERNOON. MODEL GUIDANCE STILL SUGGESTING
MODERATE DESTABILIZATION ACROSS THE EASTERN HALF OF THE CWA
WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON...ALONG WITH INCREASING DEEP LAYER FORCING FOR
ASCENT THROUGH WEDNESDAY EVENING. EXPECTING SHOWERS AND
THUNDERSTORMS TO DEVELOP ACROSS NORTH TEXAS DURING THE
AFTERNOON...SOME OF WHICH COULD BE SEVERE GIVEN THE STRONG DEEP
LAYER SHEAR. THUNDERSTORMS ARE EXPECTED TO TRANSITION INTO A
SQUALL LINE AND MOVE INTO EAST TEXAS BY WEDNESDAY NIGHT BEHIND THE
COLD FRONT. WILL MAINTAIN HIGH POPS ACROSS ALL OF NORTH TEXAS
WED/WED EVENING...WITH HIGHEST CHANCES GENERALLY EAST OF I-35.
SEVERE WEATHER THREAT WILL ALSO BE HIGHEST EAST OF I-35.
I hadn't realized the pole moved that far in 100 years...I wonder how this impacted those seeking a NW passage 150+ years ago using a compass and the stars (given the summer months having no stars...perpetual daylight).



http://www.nasa.gov/vision/earth/lookingatearth/29dec_magneticfield.html
Quoting atmoaggie:

How did you get from there to here?

(Though I find the magnetic pole fluctuation stuff vary interesting)


Dude! She's a hot girl..she doesn't have to explain anything...hot girls get a free pass...
Quoting RitaEvac:


If we can get that snow/ice pack in the plains we might get our cold, help it glide right down the front range and deep into the south


The Christmas Eve/Christmas Storm will leave a blanket of snow through a good part of SD, NE, KS, WI, MN and parts of IA, OK and TX Panhandles. Arctic air always modifies somewhat when it makes the long journey south.

The upper air pattern will determine how much Arctic air is dumped southward. Any model past 3-4 days is not very reliable. It will be interesting to see the next several GFS runs to see if they're similar.
Quoting presslord:


Dude! She's a hot girl..she doesn't have to explain anything...hot girls get a free pass...

Wife out of town again?

snicker, snicker.
a href="CaribbeanIRLOOP" target="_blank">Link

And our summer rains come in winter... I get to say that, too.
Quoting presslord:


Dude! She's a hot girl..she doesn't have to explain anything...hot girls get a free pass...


LOL!! How ya doin' there, Press? Merry Christmas! :)
Quoting atmoaggie:

Wife out of town again?

snicker, snicker.


at this point, she's pretty well immune to my nonsense... ; )
LST...Merry Christmas back at ya!!!!!! And to What'shisname, as well...
Maybe the seafarers of old could use a sun compass...I think (would that work in the Arctic during summer?)

http://www.ips-planetarium.org/planetarian/articles/viking.html
Grothar: Check this out!
Quoting Chicklit:
a href="CaribbeanIRLOOP" target="_blank">Link

And our summer rains come in winter... I get to say that, too.


Thats called Hot Flashes
atmo...Wouldn't a sextant do the trick?
Quoting presslord:
LST...Merry Christmas back at ya!!!!!! And to What'shisname, as well...


LMBO!! What'shisname in on a run for the border...otherwise known as "Taco Hell". He'll be back shortly. :)
Ol Pat not saying much on here since the Saints are no longer perfect
He loves his tacos doesn't he,ole whatisname!!
Here's something for your holiday entertainment:
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...well...Aren't you just an adorable little bundle of Holiday Cheer???
Quoting NEwxguy:
He loves his tacos doesn't he,ole whatisname!!


Yes, indeed he does, NE...as do I! The worst part of living in Louisiana was that they had such GREAT food...until one needed a Tex-Mex fix. It wasn't until just a few years before I left that we finally got some decent Tex-Mex joints! Of course, now we have the same problem finding good Cajun and Creole food in N Texas...
Quoting Chicklit:
a href="CaribbeanIRLOOP" target="_blank">Link

And our summer rains come in winter... I get to say that, too.


I read the Tropical Weather Discussion last night. The surface L near Jamaica is attached to a warm front, making that an Extratropical system. It looks like TS Danny did earlier in the year :0)
516 & 517 - not very cheerful, but good lord, could she sing or what?!
CAPE (Convective Availiable Potential Energy) and precipitable water 12-23-09

Quoting LongStrangeTrip:
516 & 517 - not very cheerful, but good lord, could she sing or what?!



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Though the track and intensity are uncertain at this time


What-da-ya expect from a cut-off low. Or as JB so aptly put it, a cutter...lol.

Quoting Jeff9641:

Hi Guys,

Well it looks like numerous Gulf lows will be on tap for Florida this weekend all the way through mid Jan. The first one will be here late Sunday producing very heavy rain across the peninsula. Possibly one every 3 to 5 days each dumping copious amounts of rain across the state. Here in Central Florida expect thunderstorms on Friday, then a steady to heavy cool rain on Sunday and Monday. El-Nino seems to be definitely having a big impact here in Florida.


Well at least there won't be any warm anomalies in South Florida this time around. But I have a feeling it won't start until New Years Weekend(modals a classic at advertising something way ahead of schedule).

You think any wintry precip will be involved?

Quoting Patrap:
Greenland has been covered in ice for over 100,000 years last I checked.

The world is a lil older than 5000 years to some though.

Imagine that?

And I dont poll well on Tuesday.


First published:
TJ 15(3):3
December 2001

by Michael Oard


Glaciologists claim that they can count 110,000 annual layers downward from the top to near the bottom of the Greenland ice sheet (Meese et al., 1997). This analysis was performed on the American GISP2 core drilled between 1989 to 1993 from the top of the ice in central Greenland to bedrock at about 10,000 feet deep (Oard, 1995). The GRIP core was drilled nearby at the same time by a European team. It is further claimed that the very basal ice is 250,000 years old (Dansgaard et al., 1993), or possibly 2.4 million years, back to the time of the original buildup of the ice sheet (Souchez, 1997). This is obviously much too old for the short Biblical time scale. Is their claim of so many annual layers justified?


Yea but if a universal cataclysmic flood did indeed take place(as the bible also claims), that will definitely distort carbon dating(making it appear much older then it really is and what normally would take eons to happen instantly relatively speaking).
522 - Thanks, Chicklit! LOVE Diana Krall!
Quoting LongStrangeTrip:
522 - Thanks, Chicklit! LOVE Diana Krall!

Check it out again.
Happy Holidays.
Off to make some cookies.
Quoting Chicklit:

Check it out again.
Happy Holidays.
Off to make some cookies.


Aw, yeah! Thanks, again, and Happy Baking! :)
Quoting atmoaggie:
Maybe the seafarers of old could use a sun compass...I think (would that work in the Arctic during summer?)

http://www.ips-planetarium.org/planetarian/articles/viking.html
Grothar: Check this out!


Thanks atmoaggie, It was an interesting article. Thanks. Smart people, those Vikings. LOL But the only clarification I have to make is that the term "vin" as in Vinland was most likely mistranslated. In old Norse there was a word "vín" which meant wine. However ther is another word "vin" which means "meadow". Which is still a very common place-name is Norwegian. To further, illustrate, the present day area where evidence of the Vikings were found is called L'Anse aux Meadows. Which roughly translated mean the Way of the Meadows or the Handle of the Meadows. It was most likely meadows to which the early settlers were referring, not wine. That was interesting to learn how they navigated that way. The old joke is, the Swedes told the Norwegians where the New World was and we were stupid enough to actually go!!!!!. HA HA.
wow, a blizzard in the midwest,, whom would have thunk it happening? sd getting snow,, wow
Quoting Grothar:


The old joke is, the Swedes told the Norwegians where the New World was and we were stupid enough to actually go!!!!!. HA HA.


I'd never heard this before, Grothar, but being half-Swedish, it cracked me up!
While the East Coast digs itself out of this last storm, it's starting to look like the Midwest is in line to follow suite.

Anyone got a pair of snow shoes that they don't need that I could borrow for a couple of days. The forecasts for Southern Minnesota, Iowa, and South Dakota are calling for snow fall totals as much as 20 inches. And Kansas has been under a Blizzard Warning since Monday night.

WOW, who turned on the snow machine?
Quoting Grothar:


Thanks atmoaggie, It was an interesting article. Thanks. Smart people, those Vikings. LOL But the only clarification I have to make is that the term "vin" as in Vinland was most likely mistranslated. In old Norse there was a word "vín" which meant wine. However ther is another word "vin" which means "meadow". Which is still a very common place-name is Norwegian. To further, illustrate, the present day area where evidence of the Vikings were found is called L'Anse aux Meadows. Which roughly translated mean the Way of the Meadows or the Handle of the Meadows. It was most likely meadows to which the early settlers were referring, not wine. That was interesting to learn how they navigated that way. The old joke is, the Swedes told the Norwegians where the New World was and we were stupid enough to actually go!!!!!. HA HA.


Grothar!!!!!
Quoting barbamz:


Do you laugh when I correct everyone's German on the Blog????
Quoting gregpinehurstnc:
wow, a blizzard in the midwest,, whom would have thunk it happening? sd getting snow,, wow


Well large snow falls and blizzards in the Midwest are not unheard of. We just haven't seen any real storms like this for a while. Check out the history files. We have had storms as big and bigger than this. I saw pictures last year from a blizzard so bad that rail cars in North Dakota were completely buried and hidden in a snow drift. How often do you see that?
Quoting caneswatch:


Grothar!!!!!


Canes!!!!!!!!
Hey,Grothar,what are you saying about us Norwegians,we believe anything people tell us,
Greetings from the not so sunny Caribbean.

How goes it up North ?
Quoting Creamtea:


So thats why they call it GREENland


I hope you all know I was being sarcastic when I posted that picture??? LOL
Quoting NEwxguy:
Hey,Grothar,what are you saying about us Norwegians,we believe anything people tell us,


Er du norsk?
Quoting weatherbro:


What-da-ya expect from a cut-off low. Or as JB so aptly put it, a cutter...lol.



Well at least there won't be any warm anomalies in South Florida this time around. But I have a feeling it won't start until New Years Weekend(modals a classic at advertising something way ahead of schedule).

You think any wintry precip will be involved?



Yea but if a universal cataclysmic flood did indeed take place(as the bible also claims), that will definitely distort carbon dating(making it appear much older then it really is and what normally would take eons to happen instantly relatively speaking).


No wintry precip. just rain and lots of it coming to most of Florida over the next few weeks. Not much warmth either. Just as advertised this winter cooler than average and wetter than average can be expected.
Quoting kmanislander:
Greetings from the not so sunny Caribbean.

How goes it up North ?


Hi, kman! Getting dreary here in N Texas...storms headed our way the next day or so.

Seasons Greetings, Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays and all that jazz!
523. weatherbro 1:15 PM CST on December 22, 2009

Quoting Patrap:
Greenland has been covered in ice for over 100,000 years last I checked.

The world is a lil older than 5000 years to some though.

Imagine that?

And I dont poll well on Tuesday.


First published:
TJ 15(3):3
December 2001

by Michael Oard

Glaciologists claim that they can count 110,000 annual layers downward from the top to near the bottom of the Greenland ice sheet (Meese et al., 1997). This analysis was performed on the American GISP2 core drilled between 1989 to 1993 from the top of the ice in central Greenland to bedrock at about 10,000 feet deep (Oard, 1995). The GRIP core was drilled nearby at the same time by a European team. It is further claimed that the very basal ice is 250,000 years old (Dansgaard et al., 1993), or possibly 2.4 million years, back to the time of the original buildup of the ice sheet (Souchez, 1997). This is obviously much too old for the short Biblical time scale. Is their claim of so many annual layers justified?



Yea but if a universal cataclysmic flood did indeed take place(as the bible also claims), that will definitely distort carbon dating(making it appear much older then it really is and what normally would take eons to happen instantly relatively speaking).



If you take Einstein's theories of relativity in to account and the fact the the universe is expanding still faster, then you need to ask yourself "Is time linear as assumed by the scientific community?" Or is it possible that time has been slowing down over the thousands of years making it appear that the Earth is much older. We already have proof that time is not constant based an numerous time experiments that have been done to verify Einstein's theories.

Food for thought.
Quoting LongStrangeTrip:


I'd never heard this before, Grothar, but being half-Swedish, it cracked me up!


The Swedes always think they are smarter than the Norwegians and the Danes think they are smarter than both. It is an old joke. We are actually all the same people as you know, but they still love to differentiate as to who speaks the better languange. It is all in good fun. The old joke " If a Swede can speak Danish, he is invariably a Norwegian. on and on and on.
Quoting Grothar:


Er du norsk?


Only a very little.
My grandmother and my wife's grandmother were Norwegian.
My wife's other grandmother was German.
Now I suppose you are wondering how someone with the British last name of Chase gets tied up with the Vikings?
Easy, this is America. We are all a bunch of MUTTS. lol

Quoting Grothar:


The Swedes always think they are smarter than the Norwegians and the Danes think they are smarter than both. It is an old joke. We are actually all the same people as you know, but they still love to differentiate as to who speaks the better languange. It is all in good fun. The old joke " If a Swede can speak Danish, he is invariably a Norwegian. on and on and on.


THE OLD VIKINGS MUST BE ROLLING OVER IN THEIR GRAVES

Come to Minnesota, land of the frozen tundra and Vikings. We do have a bunch of Italians, Iris, Germans and Czechs here also, but they keep complaining about the cold.


In just a couple more days, the Twin Cities is going to look like this. That is if you can still find it.
Quoting Grothar:


Er du norsk?


No I never learned norwegian,my great grandmother was from Norway,and I've researched a lot about Norway,and its people.
Quoting MNTornado:
523. weatherbro 1:15 PM CST on December 22, 2009

Quoting Patrap:
Greenland has been covered in ice for over 100,000 years last I checked.

The world is a lil older than 5000 years to some though.

Imagine that?

And I dont poll well on Tuesday.


First published:
TJ 15(3):3
December 2001

by Michael Oard

Glaciologists claim that they can count 110,000 annual layers downward from the top to near the bottom of the Greenland ice sheet (Meese et al., 1997). This analysis was performed on the American GISP2 core drilled between 1989 to 1993 from the top of the ice in central Greenland to bedrock at about 10,000 feet deep (Oard, 1995). The GRIP core was drilled nearby at the same time by a European team. It is further claimed that the very basal ice is 250,000 years old (Dansgaard et al., 1993), or possibly 2.4 million years, back to the time of the original buildup of the ice sheet (Souchez, 1997). This is obviously much too old for the short Biblical time scale. Is their claim of so many annual layers justified?



Yea but if a universal cataclysmic flood did indeed take place(as the bible also claims), that will definitely distort carbon dating(making it appear much older then it really is and what normally would take eons to happen instantly relatively speaking).



If you take Einstein's theories of relativity in to account and the fact the the universe is expanding still faster, then you need to ask yourself "Is time linear as assumed by the scientific community?" Or is it possible that time has been slowing down over the thousands of years making it appear that the Earth is much older. We already have proof that time is not constant based an numerous time experiments that have been done to verify Einstein's theories.

Food for thought.


Not to start a dialogue on quantum physics, but that is not exactly Einstein's theory. His conclusion was that space time is curved. In other words. He later expounded on his original theory with equations trying to explain the curvature by including mass, energy and momentum included. He theory is more of gravitation than expansion. Some of the results is that time slows in higher gravitational fields; light also bends when it nears a gravitational field. That is food for thought.
You Know You're Norwegian When..

You assume that a stranger on the street who smiles at or greets you is:
a) drunk.
b) insane.
c) an American.
d) All of the above.

You vigorously defend whaling and enjoy consuming whale meat.

You enjoy the taste of lutefisk (jelly-like, bad-smelling fish) and cod prepared in any way, including fried cod tongues.

You can prepare fish in five different ways without cooking it.

You don't question the habit of always preparing a "matpakke" (sandwich in paper).

You have two cars, a cabin and a boat, if not more.

You think there is no such thing as bad weather, only bad clothing.

It feels natural to wear sport clothes and backpack everywhere, including the cinema, bowling alley, and to church.

You are think it's weird if a house isn't wooden.

You know at least five different words for describing different textures of snow.

You don't fall when walking on ice.

You earn more than you spend.

You associate Easter with cross-country skiing with friends and family in the familys mountain cabin.

You are shocked if it's not 2 months of snow every year, at least!

You can see mountains and the ocean, no matter where you are.

You expect all dinner parties and meetings to start precisely on time, if not before.

You fall 3 metres, and don't get hurt. If you do, you're not worried at all.

You haven't heard of "fast-food".

You can't understand why foreigners haven't heard about Bjø�rn Dæ�hlie.

You're proud to be Norwegian - and you pass these jokes on to all your Norwegian friends!
Quoting barbamz:


Back for a sec. Guess now I'm going to have to remember to post my pictures from Fasching in Mainz. :)
Need to look through my pictures to see if I have any winter ones from Germany.

bbl
542: LOL, I love it! I can hear my dad, in his best imitation of his grandparents Swedish accent, saying that sort of thing.

544: Then I'd end up having a love/hate relationship with Minnesota. I'm Swede/Irish/English/German - definitely a "Heinz 57"!

Quoting Grothar:


Not to start a dialogue on quantum physics, but that is not exactly Einstein's theory. His conclusion was that space time is curved. In other words. He later expounded on his original theory with equations trying to explain the curvature by including mass, energy and momentum included. He theory is more of gravitation than expansion. Some of the results is that time slows in higher gravitational fields; light also bends when it nears a gravitational field. That is food for thought.


Mind joining me and Matt on chat?
JB pointing out absurdities.

TUESDAY 1 PM
LOOK AT THIS: http://biggovernment.com/2009/12/22/build-a-climate-scare-why-you-should-boycot t-build-a-bear/

Now look at this: http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/current.365.jpg

Near where we were last year, but one standard deviation below normal.


Yet we have people with ad campaigns based on a lie. You see how bad this has gotten?

Besides, are they aware that there has been no ice at the North Pole before?


This is lunacy,

Ciao for now. ****
Quoting PensacolaDoug:
JB pointing out absurdities.

TUESDAY 1 PM
LOOK AT THIS: http://biggovernment.com/2009/12/22/build-a-climate-scare-why-you-should-boycot t-build-a-bear/

Now look at this: http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/current.365.jpg

Near where we were last year, but one standard deviation below normal.


Yet we have people with ad campaigns based on a lie. You see how bad this has gotten?

Besides, are they aware that there has been no ice at the North Pole before?


This is lunacy,

Ciao for now. ****


The Arctic has been ice-free before, but likely not for 14 million years. CO2 has been higher but of course then again there were also dinosaurs. Ad campaigns based on a lie would describe the Bush Administration perfectly, as they promoted climate change denial together with ExxonMobil.
Quoting NEwxguy:
You Know You're Norwegian When..

You assume that a stranger on the street who smiles at or greets you is:
a) drunk.
b) insane.
c) an American.
d) All of the above.

You vigorously defend whaling and enjoy consuming whale meat.

You enjoy the taste of lutefisk (jelly-like, bad-smelling fish) and cod prepared in any way, including fried cod tongues.

You can prepare fish in five different ways without cooking it.

You don't question the habit of always preparing a "matpakke" (sandwich in paper).

You have two cars, a cabin and a boat, if not more.

You think there is no such thing as bad weather, only bad clothing.

It feels natural to wear sport clothes and backpack everywhere, including the cinema, bowling alley, and to church.

You are think it's weird if a house isn't wooden.

You know at least five different words for describing different textures of snow.

You don't fall when walking on ice.

You earn more than you spend.

You associate Easter with cross-country skiing with friends and family in the familys mountain cabin.

You are shocked if it's not 2 months of snow every year, at least!

You can see mountains and the ocean, no matter where you are.

You expect all dinner parties and meetings to start precisely on time, if not before.

You fall 3 metres, and don't get hurt. If you do, you're not worried at all.

You haven't heard of "fast-food".

You can't understand why foreigners haven't heard about Bjø�rn Dæ�hlie.

You're proud to be Norwegian - and you pass these jokes on to all your Norwegian friends!


I have to send this out. It is too funny!!!
Quoting LongStrangeTrip:
542: LOL, I love it! I can hear my dad, in his best imitation of his grandparents Swedish accent, saying that sort of thing.

544: Then I'd end up having a love/hate relationship with Minnesota. I'm Swede/Irish/English/German - definitely a "Heinz 57"!



Italian/Norwegian/German/French/Swedish/Greek.

Italian surname, dark hair, olive skin. You should see the looks I get when I speak Norwegian or German. LOL My kids all look Nordic.
Quoting NEwxguy:
He loves his tacos doesn't he,ole whatisname!!


It's all about the burritos, my friend!
Quoting Floodman:


It's all about the burritos, my friend!


Can't get any of that good stuff up here,its all fake tacos and burritos fast food style
Quoting Floodman:


It's all about the burritos, my friend!
Hi Floodman. Haven't been on in a while. How's the back ?
Quoting LongStrangeTrip:


Hi, kman! Getting dreary here in N Texas...storms headed our way the next day or so.

Seasons Greetings, Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays and all that jazz!


Season's greetings to you and to Flood. I hope he is now fully recovered and ready to Party :-)

Catch you in the New Year.
Hi kman. I haven't been on in a while. Boy ,this is some rain we're having. Temp in EE now is 69
Quoting MNTornado:
523. weatherbro 1:15 PM CST on December 22, 2009

Quoting Patrap:
Greenland has been covered in ice for over 100,000 years last I checked.

The world is a lil older than 5000 years to some though.

Imagine that?

And I dont poll well on Tuesday.


First published:
TJ 15(3):3
December 2001

by Michael Oard

Glaciologists claim that they can count 110,000 annual layers downward from the top to near the bottom of the Greenland ice sheet (Meese et al., 1997). This analysis was performed on the American GISP2 core drilled between 1989 to 1993 from the top of the ice in central Greenland to bedrock at about 10,000 feet deep (Oard, 1995). The GRIP core was drilled nearby at the same time by a European team. It is further claimed that the very basal ice is 250,000 years old (Dansgaard et al., 1993), or possibly 2.4 million years, back to the time of the original buildup of the ice sheet (Souchez, 1997). This is obviously much too old for the short Biblical time scale. Is their claim of so many annual layers justified?



Yea but if a universal cataclysmic flood did indeed take place(as the bible also claims), that will definitely distort carbon dating(making it appear much older then it really is and what normally would take eons to happen instantly relatively speaking).



If you take Einstein's theories of relativity in to account and the fact the the universe is expanding still faster, then you need to ask yourself "Is time linear as assumed by the scientific community?" Or is it possible that time has been slowing down over the thousands of years making it appear that the Earth is much older. We already have proof that time is not constant based an numerous time experiments that have been done to verify Einstein's theories.

Food for thought.
Quoting Grothar:


Not to start a dialogue on quantum physics, but that is not exactly Einstein's theory. His conclusion was that space time is curved. In other words. He later expounded on his original theory with equations trying to explain the curvature by including mass, energy and momentum included. He theory is more of gravitation than expansion. Some of the results is that time slows in higher gravitational fields; light also bends when it nears a gravitational field. That is food for thought.


I also see Moon's theory as being equally plausible on starlight travel. The idea that not Earth but The Solar System, Milky Way Galaxy, even our own cluster of galaxies are the center of the Universe. And that the center is a vacuum time vortex. Outside of it, time flows much differently.

Who knows, maybe 18 trillion light years is really only 18 trillions miller-seconds? The big bang Theory does not adequately explain starlight travel.
Quoting AstroHurricane001:


The Arctic has been ice-free before, but likely not for 14 million years. CO2 has been higher but of course then again there were also dinosaurs. Ad campaigns based on a lie would describe the Bush Administration perfectly, as they promoted climate change denial together with ExxonMobil.


Some people don't get, never will.
Quoting NEwxguy:


Can't get any of that good stuff up here,its all fake tacos and burritos fast food style


Yep...Taco Bell, my friend. I grew up in Missouri and after a long night of drinking and playing poker, it was either the drive through at Taco Bell, or White Castle (okay, White Castle is semi food)
PD, that graph makes it looks small but an area the size of California, Nevada, and Oregon is not ice this year compared to the mean (1,000,000 km2). Plus some Vermonts for good measure. That is alot of area to absorb heat.
Quoting AstroHurricane001:


Again, you're forgetting the bigger picture. This weather pattern, with cold air over North America and Central Europe, could easily be the result of the Arctic Oscillation, PDO, and ENSO, all of which could be exacerbated due to global warming. It wouldn't make everything warmer all year-round, in fact it could cause more snow to fall in some areas, especially with the Modoki El Nino this year.




I didn't forget anything. That is Joe Bastardi's blog you were reading. Duh....
Quoting Grothar:


Do you laugh when I correct everyone's German on the Blog????


No, Grothar, sometimes I'm really relaxed to read some German here... My official justification to spend so much time with this blog is to improve my English. Though it's hard to achieve in respect to certain orthography, sometimes :) I enjoy especially your mixed multiculturell comments, among many others of course. Keep at it, everyone!
Everybody sing along! We didn't start the fire,it was always burning since the world been turning.
Quoting stormwatcherCI:
Hi Floodman. Haven't been on in a while. How's the back ?


Far better than I would have imagined a month after surgery...I still have pain, and I get these earthquake-like back spasms, but I walk without a limp and my sciatic pain is pretty much gone...

Thank you for asking, by the way...

If I haven't sid it before (this is for eberyone, by the way) MERRY CHRISTMAS!
Quoting Grothar:


According to some bloggers, this is what they believe Greenland looked like around 900 A.D. when the Vikings settled there.



What bloggers would that be?
Quoting Grothar:


Italian/Norwegian/German/French/Swedish/Greek.

Italian surname, dark hair, olive skin. You should see the looks I get when I speak Norwegian or German. LOL My kids all look Nordic.


I got the dark hair and olive skin, with the Swedish surname. My daughter has the Irish skin, dark hair and speaks Japanese, so she can relate to the funny looks! LOL
Quoting MILLERTIME1:
Everybody sing along! We didn't start the fire,it was always burning since the world been turning.


We didn't start the fire
No we didn't light it
But we tried to fight it
Quoting kmanislander:


Season's greetings to you and to Flood. I hope he is now fully recovered and ready to Party :-)

Catch you in the New Year.


kman, I'm glad I got the chance to wish you a Merry Christmas...as I stated above, my recovery goes well; far better, in fact, than I had anticipated. So how are things in the islands?
Floodman, Happy to hear you are on the mend. Merry Christmas to all too.
Quoting kmanislander:


Season's greetings to you and to Flood. I hope he is now fully recovered and ready to Party :-)

Catch you in the New Year.


Thank you, friend! Flood is much improved, and is here to speak for himself, so I'll let him do so. :)

See you in '10!
I am going to take a brief resp[ite from working and blogging and take a walk...I wasnl;t told by the surgeon to do anything by way of PT other than walk, so I've been a walking fool!

BBL
Quoting Floodman:


kman, I'm glad I got the chance to wish you a Merry Christmas...as I stated above, my recovery goes well; far better, in facct, than I had anticipated. So how are things in the islands?


Merry Xmas to you too. Today is my last day in the office until the New Year so that's great !. We have had several days of cool wet weather from the cold snap up North but it is such a pleasant change from the summer heat.

Yesterday it was 68 degrees at 6 pm but with a 20 knot wind outside it felt like 58F. Not often we get a cold front so when we do we open up the windows and turn off the ac !.

To all my friends on the WU, merry Xmas and a Happy New year.

I wonder what the 2010 hurricane season will be like without Quikscat. Lots of arguments I bet about whether there is or is not a surface low with a feature LOL.

Bye for now.
Seasons greetings to everybody.
So glad to read Floodman back on here.
Thank you all for answering my oddball questions and providing such great food for thought.
Go Tebow, Go Sweeds speaking Japanese.

Joransen-san.
P.S. still laughing about measuring time in Miller-Seconds. (Beer-Time units)
Quoting Grothar:


Some people don't get, never will.




In the words of that great American philosopher, Peewee Herman...

"I know you are, but what am I"?
Quoting biff4ugo:
Seasons greetings to everybody.
So glad to read Floodman back on here.
Thank you all for answering my oddball questions and providing such great food for thought.
Go Tebow, Go Sweeds speaking Japanese.

Joransen-san.


LOL - and the little Swede taught herself, over the last 7 years, since she was 10! She speaks, reads and writes Japanese, and is quite the student of the culture and customs of Japan. Yeah, I'm just a bit of the proud mom. :)
Quoting LongStrangeTrip:


LOL - and the little Swede taught herself, over the last 7 years, since she was 10! She speaks, reads and writes Japanese, and is quite the student of the culture and customs of Japan. Yeah, I'm just a bit of the proud mom. :)


And so you should be. What sparked such an interest?
Quoting kmanislander:


Merry Xmas to you too. Today is my last day in the office until the New Year so that's great !. We have had several days of cool wet weather from the cold snap up North but it is such a pleasant change from the summer heat.

Yesterday it was 68 degrees at 6 pm but with a 20 knot wind outside it felt like 58F. Not often we get a cold front so when we do we open up the windows and turn off the ac !.

To all my friends on the WU, merry Xmas and a Happy New year.

I wonder what the 2010 hurricane season will be like without Quikscat. Lots of arguments I bet about whether there is or is not a surface low with a feature LOL.

Bye for now.


kman, enjoy your holiday, and the Holidays, too!
Quoting biff4ugo:
Seasons greetings to everybody.
So glad to read Floodman back on here.
Thank you all for answering my oddball questions and providing such great food for thought.
Go Tebow, Go Sweeds speaking Japanese.

Joransen-san.
P.S. still laughing about measuring time in Miller-Seconds. (Beer-Time units)


I'm glad to be back here for people to read...Meryy Christmas, biff4ugo!
Quoting Grothar:


And so you should be. What sparked such an interest?


Well, Grothar, like so many kids in her age group, she became enamored of anime and manga. (We call it cartoons and comic books, but not within earshot of the kid.) When she decided to learn the language, she started watching anime in Japanese, with English subtitles. From there, she used tutorials on the 'net, along with language-learning software.

At 13, we introduced her to a friend who is a retired Japanese journalist. After speaking with her, he said, "if I close my eyes, I can't tell she's not Japanese." At 15, when we moved to Texas, we took her to enroll in classes at the Fort Worth Japanese Society, and she tested out at a level that qualified her for the advanced class. Apparently, she has a true ear and gift for the language.
She really is amazing...I can pick up accents and when I'm practiced, my German accent and cadence are pretty much flawless (Hoch Deutsch, mittel-franken und platt-deutsch) but she has, pretty much on her own, picked up an oriental language that is inflection and cadence driven...

You got smart kids, LST!
Quoting Floodman:
She really is amazing...I can pick up accents and when I'm practiced, my German accent and cadence are pretty much flawless (Hoch Deutsch, mittel-franken und platt-deutsch) but she has, pretty much on her own, picked up an oriental language that is inflection and cadence driven...

You got smart kids, LST!


Why, thank you, Flood...so do you! ;)
Quoting LongStrangeTrip:


Why, thank you, Flood...so do you! ;)


Thank you!
Okay, folks, I am scooping up my lovely wife and am heading for the house...have a great evening, all; for those I don't talk to before then, Merry Christmas!
As far as being a mutt, I asked my father many years ago when he was still here, what nationalities am I on his side of the family. He told me I was a cross between a skunk and a barbed wire fence. I never had the courage to have him explain that. I just assumed it meant that I'm everything that lives on the earth. Kinda scary when you think about it. LOL

The only thing I'm pretty sure of is that my ancestors met the Indians/Native Americans at Plymouth Rock.
588 - LOL...I like that explanation!

It looks like we're outta here, so I'll bid everyone good afternoon before my ride leaves without me!

I posted a new blog earlier...nothing much, just some thoughts on AGW. Nah, just kidding...but for anyone who's interested, here are my demented ramblings, as well as season's greetings from Mr. & Mrs. Flood.
Quantum Physics and Einstein...
Heck, I'm still trying to figure out the first Terminator.
Let's see, John Connor's friend went back in time, there was a big bang with John's Mom,
and his friend was his Dad???
And Arnold was a bad guy, then he was a kindegarten teacher. Now he's a Guvernator.
And they were all easy-on-the-eyes, in the day, before Linda Hamilton had as many muscles as Arnold.
Where's Pottery when I need a good story?
Quoting LongStrangeTrip:


LOL - and the little Swede taught herself, over the last 7 years, since she was 10! She speaks, reads and writes Japanese, and is quite the student of the culture and customs of Japan. Yeah, I'm just a bit of the proud mom. :)


Our English/German grandson has been teaching himself Japanese since about the same age. Now a freshman in college, he is majoring in Japanese language - tested out at the fourth year level. Aren't they amazing?
Quoting GrtLksQuest:


Our English/German grandson has been teaching himself Japanese since about the same age. Now a freshman in college, he is majoring in Japanese language - tested out at the fourth year level. Aren't they amazing?


I'm pretty sure my oldest grandson (4) is really toilet-trained now, LOL!
Wow, I am amazed at these kids! I could never master another alphabet; a different language is hard enough!