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DIRECTV Drops The Weather Channel

By: Dr. Jeff Masters, 2:10 PM GMT on January 14, 2014

As of today, The Weather Channel is no longer available on DIRECTV, which refused to come to an agreement on a market-based carriage deal. In a statement released by David Kenny, chairman and CEO of The Weather Company, he said:

“This is unprecedented for The Weather Channel. In our 32 years, we have never had a significant disruption due to a failure to reach a carriage agreement. We offered DIRECTV the best rate for our programming, and I am shocked they have put corporate profits ahead of keeping a trusted channel that subscribers rely on every day. We are not looking for a large fee increase. We are simply looking for a fair deal that allows our company to continue to invest in the science and technology that enables us to keep people safe, deliver the world’s best weather, and tell weather stories to help people be prepared and informed.



“At a time when DIRECTV has increased customer rates by 4 percent, they are trading safety for increased profits and replacing the experience and expertise of The Weather Channel with a cheap startup that does weather forecasting on a three-hour taped loop, has no field coverage, no weather experts--certainly not any on par with The Weather Channel network’s industry-recognized experts like tornado expert Dr. Greg Forbes and winter weather expert Tom Niziol--and no experience in severe weather emergencies. This is a dangerous gamble over one penny a month that puts DIRECTV customers at risk.

“This reckless move by DIRECTV will have an impact on our role as part of the national safety and preparedness fabric of our country at a time when the volatility and frequency of weather events seems to be increasing. The Weather Channel partners with humanitarian and emergency management agencies at the local, state and federal levels. We help people prepare before storms, stay safe during their effects, and find help afterward. If the network is not available to viewers, the effectiveness of these partnerships, which help make us a more weather ready nation, are jeopardized. I am hopeful DIRECTV will come to their senses soon and will not force its customers to change carriers to stay safe and informed.”


How the DIRECTV/Weather Channel dispute will affect wunderground
It has now been over a year and half since The Weather Channel purchased Weather Underground, and overall, I have been happy with how the merger has gone. There have been many internal changes at Weather Underground, but our web site has continued to function independently much as it always has. We pride ourselves on our ability to develop innovative weather products and interfaces unique to the Internet. The Weather Channel has helped with that effort, by giving us the money to hire additional staff, and by giving us access to some of their technology and resources that we did not have. With Weather Channel's blessings, I have continued to blog as I always have, without interference. I have been asked to blog about specific topics on only one occasion--to introduce their system of naming winter storms (though I have not been asked to use their winter storm names, and can choose not to do so if I like.) I was not asked to blog about the DIRECTV affair. The loss in revenue from DIRECTV's 20 million subscribers would be a major funding blow to The Weather Channel, and would also negatively affect the financial situation of the Weather Underground. Thus, I obviously cannot offer an unbiased opinion on DIRECTV's decision to dump The Weather Channel, but think this is probably a bad thing, and not just because of the reasons stated by TWC's CEO in the statement above. I've never seen the coverage from WeatherNation, the replacement for The Weather Channel on DIRECTV, and do not know if they have plans to do any climate change coverage as part of their programming. If not, this will mean there are now 20 million people seeing less climate change coverage, at a time when The Weather Channel is actively expanding their climate change coverage, and at a time when society greatly needs as much awareness of how our climate is changing as possible. I encourage those of you who think this is a bad decision to weigh in via social media or email:

• Visit keeptheweatherchannel.com where you can learn more and automatically send correspondence to DIRECTV

• Tweet @directv using the hashtag #stormdirectv

• Facebook: share keeptheweatherchannel.com and post to DIRECTV's Facebook page

• DIRECTV’s CEO cares about what customers think, so if you have friends or family who are customers, encourage them to reach out directly to mike.white@directv.com

Variety.com has an article explaining the economics of the conflict for those who want to understand the issue better.

Thanks!

Jeff Masters

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The views of the author are his/her own and do not necessarily represent the position of The Weather Company or its parent, IBM.

Reader Comments

Quoting 459. PensacolaDoug:
He doesn't think there are any lies, deceit, bribery or coercion in socialism is my guess.


You keep saying that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
Quoting 474. tramp96:

Don't let nea see it or he will tell on you
Get over it. I get bored with "personality attacks" pretty easy.
Quoting 498. GTstormChaserCaleb:
From Meteorologist Brooks Garner at KHOU:

"Always a story when Florida could see snow... WEDNESDAY NIGHT ... Latest EURO runs, GFS and GEM models show potential for snow in north and central Florida. The atmospheric moisture will most likely be lacking when it's cold enough to actually snow there (so it probably won't snow), but there's potential. Certainly not enough to stick, but flakes could mix-in easily from Pasco County, north to Jacksonville. Might even see a flurry for inland Tampa Bay... It's a rare potential... Pavement temps are too warm, and the "wintry precip window" is too small for it to amount to much..."



just 100 million snow flakes
The Eastern world, it is exploding
Violence flarin',bullets loadin'
Your'e old enough to kill
but not for votin'
You don't believe in war,
but what's that gun your totin'

But you tell me..Over and over again my friend
You don't believe we're on the eve of destruction
Quoting 475. nash36:


This is my point. When did we go from being people to "radical ________ winger???? Why is everything now viewed through the prism of left vs. right? It's tiring. What's worse is people attack one another over the most inconsequential garbage that will never change anyhow, so what's the point in even debating it?
yes, Yes, YES!!!!!

Case in point: I consider both Nea AND ncstorm to be blog pals [to me] not because I agree with everything each of them says and does, but because we've been through a lot of things together, blog and wx wise. I have a lot of respect for each of them.

Why can't we just accept each other's differences without getting into these constant sniping attacks on each other's hamstrings? I keep thinking about hyenas trying to hamstring a gazelle or wildebeest or something.
506. yoboi
Quoting 466. Neapolitan:
In my four-plus years here, I've met face-to-face with six members (and I even went out with one a few times). There are many others I wouldn't mind hanging with--though there are a couple of others I'd probably cross the street to avoid. ;-)



SP?????
Quoting 505. BahaHurican:
yes, Yes, YES!!!!!

Case in point: I consider both Nea AND ncstorm to be blog pals [to me] not because I agree with everything each of them says and does, but because we've been through a lot of things together, blog and wx wise. I have a lot of respect for each of them.

Why can't we just accept each other's differences without getting into these constant sniping attacks on each other's hamstrings? I keep thinking about hyenas trying to hamstring a gazelle or wildebeest or something.


I just judge everyone off their forecasts during hurricane season. :P
Quoting 466. Neapolitan:
In my four-plus years here, I've met face-to-face with six members (and I even went out with one a few times). There are many others I wouldn't mind hanging with--though there are a couple of others I'd probably cross the street to avoid. ;-)
Oh No.... I thought you would meet me at Tin City Neo.......Geeeeez
Quoting 476. nrtiwlnvragn:


Baha

Don't know if you have seen this....

Bahamian meteorologist releases new book, "The Great Bahamas Hurricane of 1929..."
Yah... thought it was Wayne Neely. I always want to edit his writing [stylistically it is like "come-here-let-me-fix-ya", as we would say colloquially around here], but his research is pretty solid.

I think this is the third thing he's done. There's one on some storms from the late 1800s, plus one on the historical hurricanes of The Bahamas. I wish he would do something about the effects of the 1928 hurricane, since that impacted a larger swathe of the archipelago. This is the same storm that went on to overtop Lake Okeechobee and drown so many farm workers.
CWG talks about our pathetic chances for snow in the up coming week.I'm getting January 2013 vibes.
Link
Quoting 509. PalmBeachWeather:
Oh No.... I thought you would meet me at Tin City Neo.......Geeeeez


I wonder if Nea and Stormw ever met? That might explain things.

How are things your way PBW?
Quoting 489. barbamz:


Guys and gals, one time in my later live I may have the idea (in a dull, cold and weatherwise boring night in German winter) to visit you all, one after another, at your warm Gulf Coast or in the Caribbean, not to forget the Bahamas, of course. Be aware, lol! Stay bright and don't fight too much ...
Don't you dare make a loop through our area without letting me know... I will have to buy you some cracked conch and some conch salad.... lol

The only WU member (now former) I met was StormW. This had to be back in oh......2004/2005 I believe. We met at some crab shack in the Tampa area and had a nice dinner with a few beers.

Very nice person and I enjoyed our visit.
Quoting 507. CybrTeddy:


I just judge everyone off their forecasts during hurricane season. :P
I can go for that... lol... or at least how much wx data or local information I can get...

Quoting 280. CybrTeddy:
I guess I'm a moderately left Libertarian.


... and in good company! ;^)

Quoting 505. BahaHurican:
yes, Yes, YES!!!!!

Case in point: I consider both Nea AND ncstorm to be blog pals [to me] not because I agree with everything each of them says and does, but because we've been through a lot of things together, blog and wx wise. I have a lot of respect for each of them.

Why can't we just accept each other's differences without getting into these constant sniping attacks on each other's hamstrings? I keep thinking about hyenas trying to hamstring a gazelle or wildebeest or something.


I have I believe gotten into it with about every blogger on here..but I have always moved on from it and never do I put anyone on ignore unless its profanity or just outright trolling..when I joined here, I found JFV to be hilarious..Nea..well he won't put me on ignore even though he has threaten too nor will I put him ignore..I have even plus him once or twice but sometimes that dude will work a nerve..the snipping is part of WU..it wont change..I always get a kick out of someone doing a rant and they get about 16 plusses but everyone soon forgets and comes back to what is really WU..just a dysfunctional family..
Quoting 514. nash36:
The only WU member (now former) I met was StormW. This had to be back in oh......2004/2005 I believe. We met at some crab shack in the Tampa area and had a nice dinner with a few beers.

Very nice person and I enjoyed our visit.


I wonder if they ever extended the olive branch to StormW when they unbanned members..he is a good forecaster..
Quoting 498. GTstormChaserCaleb:
From Meteorologist Brooks Garner at KHOU:

"Always a story when Florida could see snow... WEDNESDAY NIGHT ... Latest EURO runs, GFS and GEM models show potential for snow in north and central Florida. The atmospheric moisture will most likely be lacking when it's cold enough to actually snow there (so it probably won't snow), but there's potential. Certainly not enough to stick, but flakes could mix-in easily from Pasco County, north to Jacksonville. Might even see a flurry for inland Tampa Bay... It's a rare potential... Pavement temps are too warm, and the "wintry precip window" is too small for it to amount to much..."







Chances are low, but heck why not have some fun and hope for it? The chances of snow do appear to be non-zero, and it has snowed in Central and North Florida a number of times historically.

Even if its just a couple flakes, a couple flakes in Florida is always still a big deal :)


Quoting 519. Jedkins01:




Chances are low, but heck why not have some fun and hope for it? The chances of snow do appear to be non-zero, and it has snowed in Central and North Florida a number of times historically.

Even if its just a couple flakes, a couple flakes in Florida is always still a big deal :)




This would be nice
Anyone welcome for Mardi Gras or Jazz Fest, but bring nuff bail money for 2.

; P
Quoting 518. ncstorm:


I wonder if they ever extended the olive branch to StormW when they unbanned members..he is a good forecaster..


This must have happened during my self-appointed hiatus from WU, but I have never gotten the scoop on what happened to StormW.

No one ever told me how/why he received a lifetime ban. It must have been pretty severe to get whacked for good. Hell, I've gone off the deep end a few times in years past, but never got more than a 48hr "cool your jets" ban.
At one time we WUers(aka WUBAs)would have large meetups in the name of charity..and to help one another out..those were some good days.we even put disagreements aside and worked with one another...some good folks blog here.
I know what happened to StormW.It involved the admin...and I'm not just talking about the banning process either.
Quoting 521. Patrap:
Anyone welcome for Mardi Gras or Jazz Fest, but bring nuff bail money for 2.

; P
Yeah, Pat's only responsible for the "getting into trouble" part of the evening.... lol...
Quoting 521. Patrap:
Anyone welcome for Mardi Gras or Jazz Fest, but bring nuff bail money for 2.

; P
LOL...I've seen some crazy videos of Mardi Gras.
OK, I loved the bear, DC115, but this carrot is growing on me [not LITerally, lol].
Quoting 525. BahaHurican:
Yeah, Pat's only responsible for the "getting into trouble" part of the evening.... lol...


Why do I have scenes from the "Hangover" movies popping into my head?? LOL!
I've had Dinner with Auburn and my clan, and he can plow away some seafood here. They a comning back in April I believe with another FB NOLA meet up.

The Authorities have been notified via text and e-mail.
Quoting 528. nash36:


Why do I have scenes from the "Hangover" movies popping into my head?? LOL!


Press in a dress comes to mind.

Caution, may be eye irritant.

Quoting 525. BahaHurican:
Yeah, Pat's only responsible for the "getting into trouble" part of the evening.... lol...
I haven't been back to the big NOLA since just before Katrina, Pat, but I certainly wouldn't make another trip there without a meet and greet...
Quoting 514. nash36:
The only WU member (now former) I met was StormW. This had to be back in oh......2004/2005 I believe. We met at some crab shack in the Tampa area and had a nice dinner with a few beers.

Very nice person and I enjoyed our visit.


You got crabs after visiting StormW?

And I have actually spoken to him a few times... He is a nice person, just happened to have stepped on himself here. (Who knows, he probably still lurks and has a psuedonym)
I've gone blind now pat total blindness

poor press it was for a good cause never thought he would do it

just like aub in the pink tutu

Quoting 524. washingtonian115:
I know what happened to StormW.It involved the admin...and I'm not just talking about the banning process either.
I finally met StormW a year ago on TA13's Facebook group... I understand why he got banned. He's a cool and clever guy, though.
My contribution to this part of the conversation is... well, we've had our share of unusual personalities in this blog....
Oh Pat.....

NOW I have "Tootsie" in my head. I need a beer.
Quoting 498. GTstormChaserCaleb:
From Meteorologist Brooks Garner at KHOU:

"Always a story when Florida could see snow... WEDNESDAY NIGHT ... Latest EURO runs, GFS and GEM models show potential for snow in north and central Florida. The atmospheric moisture will most likely be lacking when it's cold enough to actually snow there (so it probably won't snow), but there's potential. Certainly not enough to stick, but flakes could mix-in easily from Pasco County, north to Jacksonville. Might even see a flurry for inland Tampa Bay... It's a rare potential... Pavement temps are too warm, and the "wintry precip window" is too small for it to amount to much..."



If it does snow on Florida and the Northern Gulf Coast, I will not be surprised.. I said 3 or 4 days ago, that if there is a pattern that would produce such an event, this is it. One other thing should mention, if this pattern does not change,( and there are signs that it wont ) this winter will be more than memorable. Almost everything is in place to produce not only a massive arctic outbreak, but it will be significantly more intense than the last one. I do not believe that the big outbreak will happen until late January, or early February.


This pattern certainly has the potential for large, intense winter storms.

Quoting 532. BahaHurican:
I haven't been back to the big NOLA since just before Katrina, Pat, but I certainly wouldn't make another trip there without a meet and greet...


Ive been lucky nuff to have bloggers pop in from as far as Cali and Vancouver and I can garontee we shall make your visit a special and relaxing, informative one.

Indian Hills, Riverside, California (PWS)
Updated: 5:24 PM PST on January 14, 2014
Clear
72.9 °F
Clear
Humidity: 9%
Dew Point: 11 °F
Wind: 12.0 mph from the ESE
Wind Gust: 32.0 mph

Pressure: 30.19 in (Steady)
Heat Index: 73 °F
Visibility: 10.0 miles

this mornings low was 61.7 @00:20 It was 69F at 3:15A.M.
made it up to 77.2F

Quoting 533. Dakster:


You got crabs after visiting StormW?

And I have actually spoken to him a few times... He is a nice person, just happened to have stepped on himself here. (Who knows, he probably still lurks and has a psuedonym)


Dak..I literally spat out my coffee..you be sliding in those comments under the radar..
Quoting 540. PedleyCA:
Indian Hills, Riverside, California (PWS)
Updated: 5:24 PM PST on January 14, 2014
Clear
72.9 °F
Clear
Humidity: 9%
Dew Point: 11 °F
Wind: 12.0 mph from the ESE
Wind Gust: 32.0 mph

Pressure: 30.19 in (Steady)
Heat Index: 73 °F
Visibility: 10.0 miles

this mornings low was 61.7 @00:20 It was 69F at 3:15A.M.
made it up to 77.2F



getting cooler here slowly a little snow around midnight till noon they say

not much couple of inches maybe

Toronto Pearson Int'l Airport
Date: 8:00 PM EST Tuesday 14 January 2014
Condition:Partly Cloudy
Pressure:29.8 inches
Tendency:rising
Visibility:15 miles
Temperature:33.1°F
Dewpoint:25.0°F
Humidity:72%
Wind:S 4 mph
Quoting 484. BahaHurican:
Quite true... on the record, that is. They've had some pretty nasty outcomes from extratropical type remnants over the years, though....

All I can say is, the world is a lot smaller than u might think... lol... It's entirely possible for a Canadian, a UK resident, or a German to meet one or more of our Caribbean or Floridian residents... since travel between these areas is quite common. Living in the Bahamas it is entirely possible to find people whose close family have been impacted by storms in the Philippines, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Mainland China Vietnam, India, Australia etc. Some BAHAMIANS might have been around to be impacted themselves by these storms.

You might be surprised at how little the cultural differences matter in situations where there is a common language, too. People find things to be polite to each other about, often the weather... lol...


I'm a bit perplexed by all this! So. California was such a melting pot of everyone from everywhere, and I never had radical difference with any, despite cultural backgrounds.
At my day job in deep, dark Wales...there's a few very Welsh, there's Yank me (many Brits' nickname for an American), 1 from Puerto Vallarta Mexico, 2 from Hungary, 3 from Poland, 1 from Ireland, 1 French-Canadian (proper French-Canadian who sounds French), 1 from France, a few from England, 1 from Tunisia, 1 from N. Ireland, 1 from Latvia. I think that's about it! And the most problems that arrive, are just from some people with a grumpy/testy persona. A smile is universal, as is a helping hand, as is a laugh. Only thing I can think, Plazared being from England...I have been surprised by how polarised peeps are between European countries. Well...between UK parts alone! Welsh generally dislike English...as do Scottish. Cornwall wants to be it's own country too. UK doesn't like Germans or French...none of the European countries seem to like Brits! But those are generalisations. Put regular folkes together, they'll tend to get along. It's just stereotypes and fear-mongering that play people against others more than anything. Put a few kids together from anywhere...they will play...being in a pre-propoganda state.


Anyway, TWC dropped by a provider. I do think a bit of greed from both sides TBH. TWC, much as I have loved in in the past when still in the US..is not the NWS, and a profit making company too just like the provider. I'm sure they do do a lot for the good, but still reckon profit counts more than all else...just as the cable service does. It's nice to see the Doc say when he actually was asked to blog about something specific and all though. ANd maybe, just maybe...they dropped it 'because' of TWC's global warming stance?! Not like plenty aren't anti that!

Dreary here in N Wales. Well, on my days off as ususal anyway! Were a few nice times out the window from work of course! haha
Quoting 516. LowerCal:


... and in good company! ;^)

I suppose I'm also right around there on the political spectrum.
EDIT: I'm a leftie, but on the fence between Libertarian and Authoritarian.
Quoting 539. Patrap:


Ive been lucky nuff to have bloggers pop in from as far as Cali and Vancouver and I can garontee we shall make your visit a special and relaxing, informative one.



I have a friend who may be out that way in a few months...and first thought I had was, I'd surely hit up Patrap for a coffee if I was out NOLA way! Then could rack up a visit from the UK too LOL
California is so dry that almost everything is burning easily. There's a big fire in Bay Area right now.
Quoting 530. Patrap:
I've had Dinner with Auburn and my clan, and he can plow away some seafood here. They a comning back in April I believe with another FB NOLA meet up.

The Authorities have been notified via text and e-mail.
Quoting 530. Patrap:
I've had Dinner with Auburn and my clan, and he can plow away some seafood here. They a comning back in April I believe with another FB NOLA meet up.

The Authorities have been notified via text and e-mail.



You even gave my crew room and board for a night or two..felt right at home!!!
Late to the party on this one, it would appear. My view is that I hate to see WU lose any source of potential funding. That being said, this is a a shot across the bow for TWC. TWC prospered because it was THE Weather Channel. They got carriage because of their excellent coverage of global and local weather. Now, when I turn on TWC (which I rarely do any more), I'm as likely to see some reality show about people doing stupid things in bad weather as I am anything about the actual weather. Several imitators/competitors of the original TWC have arisen, giving people like us just weather, 24 hours a day. TWC can't claim to be both the authoritative voice of weather as well as an entertainment network. Then we have TWC's best example of hubris, naming winter storms, even when getting slapped in the face by the NWS for doing so. I'm sorry, but TWC is getting what it deserves. Get rid of the network mavens and give us back the weather geek channel.
Looks like a June meetup this year Pat..and its for WU as well as FB.
Quoting 546. Bluestorm5:
California is so dry that almost everything is burning easily. There's a big fire in Bay Area right now.


You got a link for that. Because I don't show diddly.
On the blog subject, the Cals are DirecTV subscribers and Mrs. Cal recently did a lot of work for DirecTV.

I'm not happy that the The Weather Channel's loss of distribution fees from DirecTV might affect WU's ongoing improvements and new products.

There's always some push & pull when a media content bundler renegotiates a contract with a particular content producer. In another recent renegotiation Time-Warner Cable dropped the local TV channel that carried the Dodger games! After a short period of howling subscriber indignation and subscriber exodus Time-Warner relented. The subscriber reaction to DirecTV dropping The Weather Channel has been nowhere near as intense.

My personal feeling is that The Weather Channel has really diluted their brand with "reality" programming squeezing out actual weather coverage. I'll at least give the change a little while to see how well WeatherNation satisfies my TV weather appetite before I make any comments to DirecTV.

I do wish there was another system as an alternative to media content bundling AKA "package"s. I'm subscribed to probably a couple hundred or more channels just to be able to see the maybe two dozen that I actually watch with any frequency.
2013 featured the strongest EPO ridge on record. This monstrous ridge extended, and continues to extend, into the western United States, giving way to record warmth and bone dry conditions. There does not appear to be any relief in sight as the pattern becomes increasingly amplified towards the end of month thanks to a very EPO (record warmth across Alaska?). Thankfully for cold lovers, this will allow the Arctic gates to open across the East once again, with the polar vortex taking a vacation down to Ontario and Quebec. Unfortunately for snow lovers, we will also be entering a NAO pattern, meaning significant snow is unlikely (though there will be progressive systems giving a little wintry precipitation).

Quoting 538. hydrus:
If it does snow on Florida and the Northern Gulf Coast, I will not be surprised.. I said 3 or 4 days ago, that if there is a pattern that would produce such an event, this is it. One other thing should mention, if this pattern does not change,( and there are signs that it wont ) this winter will be more than memorable. Almost everything is in place to produce not only a massive arctic outbreak, but it will be significantly more intense than the last one. I do not believe that the big outbreak will happen until late January, or early February.


This pattern certainly has the potential for large, intense winter storms.

For some odd reason I get this feeling D.C will leave with another pathetic winter.
GFS at 180 hours.

Off to load some pics into wunderphotos... will be dropping in in between all that...
557. beell
Quoting 553. TropicalAnalystwx13:
2013 featured the strongest +EPO ridge on record. This monstrous ridge extended, and continues to extend, into the western United States, giving way to record warmth and bone dry conditions. There does not appear to be any relief in sight as the pattern becomes increasingly amplified towards the end of month thanks to a very +EPO (record warmth across Alaska?). Thankfully for cold lovers, this will allow the Arctic gates to open across the East once again, with the polar vortex taking a vacation down to Ontario and Quebec. Unfortunately for snow lovers, we will also be entering a +NAO pattern, meaning significant snow is unlikely (though there will be progressive systems giving a little wintry precipitation).



GFS has shown some signs of the upper jet undercutting that ridge for a few days. Always at the end of the run. An even better look today-bringing the trough over the west coast.



Long time out.
Quoting 538. hydrus:
If it does snow on Florida and the Northern Gulf Coast, I will not be surprised.. I said 3 or 4 days ago, that if there is a pattern that would produce such an event, this is it. One other thing should mention, if this pattern does not change,( and there are signs that it wont ) this winter will be more than memorable. Almost everything is in place to produce not only a massive arctic outbreak, but it will be significantly more intense than the last one. I do not believe that the big outbreak will happen until late January, or early February.


This pattern certainly has the potential for large, intense winter storms.

I am still going with possible negative NAO in Feb. Stormy Feb, im telling ya.
Quoting 538. hydrus:
If it does snow on Florida and the Northern Gulf Coast, I will not be surprised.. I said 3 or 4 days ago, that if there is a pattern that would produce such an event, this is it. One other thing should mention, if this pattern does not change,( and there are signs that it wont ) this winter will be more than memorable. Almost everything is in place to produce not only a massive arctic outbreak, but it will be significantly more intense than the last one. I do not believe that the big outbreak will happen until late January, or early February.


This pattern certainly has the potential for large, intense winter storms.


Something I think would make the presses would be if North Florida had a full blown freezing rain/ice storm event. We have millions of still leaning (courtesy of Ivan and Dennis) and weak sand pine and other trees here that would help make a disaster if that were to happen.

Here are some screenshots I got from Google Earth of some of the many sand pines that I know of that are in my town, big hazard. Some over powerlines, roads...

Quoting 477. Minnemike:

So, it's soreness about the bullying of TWC that sanctions trash talking WN in it's infancy, and differing mission. ok.
So you've misinterpreted my comment. Should I set you straight, or just let it pass for the good of the forum? Mmmmmm...I think I'll go with the latter. Take care! :)
Quoting 555. hydrus:
GFS at 180 hours.

Pattern is trending stormier.
Quoting 554. washingtonian115:
For some odd reason I get this feeling D.C will leave with another pathetic winter.
I do not believe D.C. will have a pathetic winter..I do not however know what your definition of a pathetic winter is. Therefore my beginning statement is groundless.:>
Quoting 561. Climate175:
Pattern is trending stormier.
Wait a week from today...it will be hideous.
Quoting 563. hydrus:
Wait a week from today...it will be hideous.
Thats why i am crossing my fingers for a epic Feb.
Quoting 559. opal92nwf:

Something I think would make the presses would be if North Florida had a full blown freezing rain/ice storm event. We have millions of still leaning (courtesy of Ivan and Dennis) and weak sand pine and other trees here that would help make a disaster if that were to happen.

Here are some screenshots I got from Google Earth of some of the many sand pines that I know of that are in my town, big hazard. Some over powerlines, roads...

Surprised the ones in the second photo are even still standing...
Sorry to drag comments all the way back from this morning, but I just got my first look here...and I had to add some commentary re: Paul Douglas.
First, I think Dr. M will be quite pleased with their climate change coverage - Paul Douglas writes a local (MN) weather blog (Link) and frequently posts on AGW news. He is far more frank is his dismissal of the delusional than I usually see around here ;)
This isn't to say his blogging opinions will carry through to the channel, or that DirectTV isn't being stupid about this - but I'm inclined to give it a chance. While I don't necessarily agree with him all the time (I mean, he's a republican!), he's firmly attached to scientific reality and isn't afraid to call out those who aren't.
His weather blog is one of my daily bookmarks, and his coverage of local severe WX is the best and most up to the minute in town. I check his blog before I check the radar when things look sketchy.

Quite frankly, I think a lot of the folks who have been irked by TWC lately really might like WeatherNation for their focus on meteorology over 24/7 weather entertainment, but I haven't had cable in decades...so....you tell me :)


Quoting 111. ncstorm:
Just a little something about WeatherNation-from their CEO

Enter Paul Douglas, Founder and CEO of Broadcast Weather. Douglas, founder of the first company, Digital Cyclone, to have a cell phone weather application in 2001 (sold to Garmin in 2007), has a launched a new national weather network called Weather Nation TV.

Paul graciously responded to questions about this network over email.

1) Tell us a little about Weather Nation TV. What exactly is it and how can we tune in?

Paul Douglas: WeatherNation is a new, 24/7 national weather channel that has already launched on cable systems and (simultaneously) on Facebook (in the upper left click on %u201CWNTV 24/7 Video Stream%u201D to see the live channel on Facebook).

At a time when severe weather appears to be increasing, nationwide, we believe there%u2019s room for a second voice when it comes to meteorology and keeping Americans updated on rapidly changing weather patterns - a channel devoted to weather, 24/7. No documentaries, specials or movies, just cutting edge graphics, a heavy emphasis on social media, and a staff of degreed meteorologists (most of whom have their Certified Broadcast Meteorologist seals). We%u2019re very serious about the meteorology part of the equation.

later in the article: I guess so much for that running weather out of basement statement by Mr. Roker..


We run three constantly updating %u201CNational Headline%u201D segments, tapping video clips, photo streams, social media and meteorological explainers, and then break the USA into 6 regions. We take advantage of great visualization technology from Baron Services (including OMNI and Vipir), 3D Live from Weather Central and an exclusive tool called %u201CMeteoEarth%u201D - from a company in Berlin. The goal is to use the latest, greatest 2-D and 3-D tools to tell the weather story, around the clock.
Quoting 121. Minnemike:
very interested to read Paul Douglas is behind Weather Nation. i think that bodes Very Well for the network cable weather situation. his is a household name in Minnesota and a very respectable level head when it comes to meteorology and climate issues.
Quoting 558. Climate175:
I am still going with possible negative NAO in Feb. Stormy Feb, im telling ya.
Dont have to convince me. Something huge would have to happen to even make a dent in the current pattern. As crazy as the worlds weather has been the last 10 years, nothing would surprise me...almost nothing....
Quoting 562. hydrus:
I do not believe D.C. will have a pathetic winter..I do not however know what your definition of a pathetic winter is. Therefore my beginning statement is groundless.:>
A pathetic winter..Ah hem in D.C is most above average days out weighing the below normal.When snow is below our average (15 inches) and when most storms are nothing more than cold rain storms.
From the 12z from 300 hrs out although it left from the 18z you can see what is possible to come. Long Range..

Lo 34°
RealFeel® 22°
Precipitation 55%
Night

NESW
WNW 12 mph
Gusts: 23 mph
Patchy clouds, breezy and colder with a passing shower
Max UV Index: N/A
Thunderstorms: 20%
Precipitation: 0.05 in
Rain: 0.05 in
Snow: 0 in
Ice: 0 in
Hours of Precipitation: 1 hrs
Hours of Rain: 1 hrs

Nice! Let it Snow! Let it Snow! Let it Snow!
Quoting 565. BahaHurican:
Surprised the ones in the second photo are even still standing...

It's crazy. Just recently we have had some non thunderstorm wind events, and I have seen two sand pines fall completely down. However, the majority of them are still like the ones above because we haven't had a good wind (from a hurricane) in 9 years!

Also here's an example of one that fell in 50mph winds from tropical storm Claudette in 2009.



Quoting 569. Climate175:
From the 12z from 300 hrs out although it left from the 18z you can see what is possible to come. Long Range..
(Checks calender more than 2 weeks out)...
Quoting 568. washingtonian115:
A pathetic winter..Ah hem in D.C is most above average days out weighing the below normal.When snow is below our average (15 inches) and when most storms are nothing more than cold rain storms.
Alright then..I will see your 15....and raise you 5...I would raise it more, but most of the systems so far have had a meager amount of moisture associated with them..
Quoting 572. washingtonian115:
(Checks calender more than 2 weeks out)...
Yeah the only way we will get snow is if the NAO goes negative! The dang NAO better hear. By the way i feel as if the GFS is losing accuracy, before the GfS could accurately predict a storm like 10 days out when i recall.
DAYTONA BEACH - An arctic air mass sent temperatures across Florida skidding well below freezing this morning and brought rare ocean-effect snow flurries to an area from Cape Canaveral to Daytona Beach.

There were several reports of light flurries in Daytona Beach, including one from EVAC spokesman Mark O'Keefe.

The mercury plunged to 25 degrees this morning at Daytona Beach International Airport, setting a record for the date. By noon, the temperature was hovering near the freezing mark under overcast skies.

Despite the record-setting cold, officials said Florida's citrus crop escaped damage.

Casey Pace, a spokeswoman for Florida Citrus Mutual, said today that there had been no reports of freeze damage to citrus crops anywhere in the state. That was because temperatures in citrus growing areas did not drop below 28 degrees for more than four hours, the threshold for damage.

"We flirted with it. We stepped to the edge, but we're fine," said Dan Richey, a grower in Vero Beach. The temperature there hit 31 degrees.

But that may not be the case for strawberry growers, said Ila Allen, spokeswoman for the Florida Strawberry Growers Association.

"We have all of our fields completely under ice. It looks like a snowy white Christmas out here," she said.

Growers won't be able to assess damage until the crops thaw out early next week, she said.

A hard freeze warning for north and central Florida and a freeze warning for the central coast and southern interior expired at noon Friday, but the warnings will be back in place overnight Saturday.

Most of the state was expected to remain under a wind chill advisory until midday, said Roberto Garcia, a meteorologist with the National Weather Service in Miami.

At 11 a.m., the temperature in Tallahassee was 26 degrees, but the wind chill factor made it feel closer to 19 degrees. Pensacola was at 23 degrees, but felt like 12 degrees. Jacksonville registered 26 degrees, but felt like 16 degrees. The wind chill drove temperatures in Orlando and Tampa down to 29 degrees.

South Florida wasn't spared the chill, as Miami felt the wind chill turn 48 degrees into 42 degrees. Wind chill pushed temperatures in Fort Lauderdale and West Palm Beach into the 40s, while Naples was in the 30s.

Cities throughout the state hit record lows early Friday. Miami beat the Jan. 24 record of 38 degrees set in 1940 by 1 degree. West Palm Beach hit a record low of 33 degrees, 4 degrees below the previous Jan. 24 low set in 1960. Panama City Beach dropped to 15 degrees, shattering the day's record of 26 degrees set in 1994. Jacksonville fell to 19 degrees, below the day's record of 24 degrees set in 1963.

Cold temperatures were expected to continue throughout the day with highs mainly in the 40s in most of the state and 50s in South Florida. But temperatures were expected to plummet again Friday night and into Saturday, Garcia said.

Gov. Jeb Bush issued an emergency order lifting the weight limits of trucks hauling fruit and other crops during the cold spell.

Some schools in north Florida canceled Friday classes to keep students out of the arctic air.

The homeless, meanwhile, faced the prospects of crowded shelters and cold floors.

At Pensacola's Waterfront Rescue Mission, Charles McLean, program director, said Thursday that space would be made available in the chapel to get people out of the cold.

"If they run out of pews, they'll sleep on the floor," said McLean, who has 18 beds and 20 floor mats. "We will not allow them just stay out in the cold."

Link

KDAB, I'll be checking METAR tomorrow night:

576. yoboi
Quoting 570. GTstormChaserCaleb:

Lo 34°
RealFeel® 22°
Precipitation 55%
Night

NESW
WNW 12 mph
Gusts: 23 mph
Patchy clouds, breezy and colder with a passing shower
Max UV Index: N/A
Thunderstorms: 20%
Precipitation: 0.05 in
Rain: 0.05 in
Snow: 0 in
Ice: 0 in
Hours of Precipitation: 1 hrs
Hours of Rain: 1 hrs

Nice! Let it Snow! Let it Snow! Let it Snow!



Where is that forecast???
Quoting 574. Climate175:
Yeah the only way we will get snow is if the NAO goes negative! The dang NAO better hear.
I havent seen a decent negative NAO in quite a while.
Quoting Neapolitan:
So you've misinterpreted my comment. Should I set you straight, or just let it pass for the good of the forum? Mmmmmm...I think I'll go with the latter. Take care! :)
I'll drop a little apology for that, honestly I was aware of the low cut... you did not claim soreness or bullying justification; just talked down WN's quality and ability to inform during major events, and remarked upon the pettiness of entitled TWC complaints (who did not bring us this forum by slapping their brand on it with a check).
Quoting 576. yoboi:



Where is that forecast???
Daytona Beach
580. yoboi
Quoting 579. GTstormChaserCaleb:
Daytona Beach



cool....or should I say cold...
Quoting 577. hydrus:
I havent seen a decent negative NAO in quite a while.
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Quoting 574. Climate175:
Yeah the only way we will get snow is if the NAO goes negative! The dang NAO better hear. By the way i feel as if the GFS is losing accuracy, before the GfS could accurately predict a storm like 10 days out when i recall.
The GFS as of lately has been more than reliable. It successfully predicted the recent severe weather episode a full 10 days in advance.. I know this because I posted it on New Years Day.
Quoting 582. hydrus:
The GFS as of lately has been more than reliable. It successfully predicted the recent severe weather episode a full 10 days in advance.. I know this because I posted it on New Years Day.
Yes they have made plenty of updates.
Trough pointing a finger at Florida.
Quoting 570. GTstormChaserCaleb:

Lo 34°
RealFeel® 22°
Precipitation 55%
Night

NESW
WNW 12 mph
Gusts: 23 mph
Patchy clouds, breezy and colder with a passing shower
Max UV Index: N/A
Thunderstorms: 20%
Precipitation: 0.05 in
Rain: 0.05 in
Snow: 0 in
Ice: 0 in
Hours of Precipitation: 1 hrs
Hours of Rain: 1 hrs

Nice! Let it Snow! Let it Snow! Let it Snow!


I commented on this earlier. Looking interesting across FL tomorrow evening. Could be thunderstorms with hail or sleet across C & N FL.
Quoting 584. hydrus:
Trough pointing a finger at Florida.

The epicenter of that finger is right over where I live
Quoting 584. hydrus:
Trough pointing a finger at Florida.


Latest WRF and GFS models are showing a very interesting set where the cold air at about 10,000 feet from the upper trough works down to the surface creating thunderstorms mixing with sleet or hail or maybe even snow!






moderate to heavy snow in Daytona?
Quoting 584. hydrus:
Trough pointing a finger at Florida.
If that finger was more towards the middle of the trough.lol J/K.
Quoting 552. LowerCal:
On the blog subject, the Cals are DirecTV subscribers and Mrs. Cal recently did a lot of work for DirecTV.

I'm not happy that the The Weather Channel's loss of distribution fees from DirecTV might affect WU's ongoing improvements and new products.

There's always some push & pull when a media content bundler renegotiates a contract with a particular content producer. In another recent renegotiation Time-Warner Cable dropped the local TV channel that carried the Dodger games! After a short period of howling subscriber indignation and subscriber exodus Time-Warner relented. The subscriber reaction to DirecTV dropping The Weather Channel has been nowhere near as intense.

My personal feeling is that The Weather Channel has really diluted their brand with "reality" programming squeezing out actual weather coverage. I'll at least give the change a little while to see how well WeatherNation satisfies my TV weather appetite before I make any comments to DirecTV.

I do wish there was another system as an alternative to media content bundling AKA "package"s. I'm subscribed to probably a couple hundred or more channels just to be able to see the maybe two dozen that I actually watch with any frequency.

Agree with you on pretty much all points.

A la carte sounds pretty good, but in the end, you'd probably get a lot fewer channels at a higher cost. Bundling usually ends up cheaper and...well, I've discovered a few good shows on channels that I probably wouldn't have paid for separately. All those extras do help occasionally when you have a sleepless night and 500 channels and nothing on. Then again...sometimes not.
Quoting evilpenguinshan:
Sorry to drag comments all the way back from this morning, but I just got my first look here...and I had to add some commentary re: Paul Douglas.
First, I think Dr. M will be quite pleased with their climate change coverage - Paul Douglas writes a local (MN) weather blog (Link) and frequently posts on AGW news. He is far more frank is his dismissal of the delusional than I usually see around here ;)
This isn't to say his blogging opinions will carry through to the channel, or that DirectTV isn't being stupid about this - but I'm inclined to give it a chance. While I don't necessarily agree with him all the time (I mean, he's a republican!), he's firmly attached to scientific reality and isn't afraid to call out those who aren't.
His weather blog is one of my daily bookmarks, and his coverage of local severe WX is the best and most up to the minute in town. I check his blog before I check the radar when things look sketchy.

Quite frankly, I think a lot of the folks who have been irked by TWC lately really might like WeatherNation for their focus on meteorology over 24/7 weather entertainment, but I haven't had cable in decades...so....you tell me :)



I've been very impressed with WeatherNation so far. They seem to have state of the art equipment and some very knowledgeable on-air mets. They remind me of TWC 10 years ago. Not a lot of glitz but solid content. TWC has had some prefrential carriage fees due to the (former) public service nature of its programming. Since it's now over 50% non-weather related programming, with a ton more advertisers than they had even 5 years ago, DirectTV wants higher carriage fees, and TWC won't meet the price. As I said earlier, this is the first shot across the bow for TWC. With WeatherNation available for true weather geeks, TWC is going to be left in kind of no mans land, with not enough weather programming to satisfy most people like us, and a lot of pretty cheesy reality programs that aren't going to draw a large audience either. Other carriers are going to watch how this plays out. I know TWC is trying to redefine itself, but I obviously think they are headed in the wrong direction.
Quoting 590. washingtonian115:
If that finger was more towards the middle of the trough.lol J/K.
Sighhhh..... Even though there are two nights with temps in the mid 20's here, according to the scientific forecast discussion there is going to be no precipitation associated with the cold temperatures in these fronts.
Link

I'd rather have below 30 degree temperatures with winter precipitation than these repeated cold blasts that are bone dry and killing all the sensitive vegetation in my area. It's the only thing missing: give us the snow!!
The Weather Channel has stopped discussions with DirecTV. For the time being (hopefully), TWC is permanently unaccessible for DirecTV subscribers.
Quoting 589. hydrus:
Dry air coming in.
Quoting StormTrackerScott:


Latest WRF and GFS models are showing a very interesting set where the cold air at about 10,000 feet from the upper trough works down to the surface creating thunderstorms mixing with sleet or hail or maybe even snow!






moderate to heavy snow in Daytona?

Scott, I'll give $50 to your favorite charity against a major snowstorm in Daytona if you want to take the bet. I'll define major snowstorm as at least 1/4 inch areawide accumulation. I know, not much of a major snowstrom for most places, but this is Daytona. :-) Are you up for the wager?
Quoting 588. hydrus:

Please please. If it's stuck in this pattern, it might as well give me a few snowflakes (: #@panhandle woes
Eventhough there is a less than 1 percent chance of us Floridians getting snow but heck is fun to talk about and dream a little. I would love to see snow but I am to far south in FL for that.
Quoting 581. Climate175:
.

I still remember the Gabrielle y u no hurricane one that someone had as their avatar lol.
Quoting 597. sar2401:

Scott, I'll give $50 to your favorite charity against a major snowstorm in Daytona if you want to take the bet. I'll define major snowstorm as at least 1/4 inch areawide accumulation. I know, not much of a major snowstrom for most places, but this is Daytona. :-) Are you up for the wager?


LOL! I know it ain't happening but heck thats the NAM and interesting to say the least even if it wont happen. No bets here considering I'm at 58 right now and it would take an Arctic Blast for me to start thinking snow.
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
The Weather Channel has stopped discussions with DirecTV. For the time being (hopefully), TWC is permanently unacceptable for DirecTV subscribers.

TA, I assume you meant unaccessible for DirectTV subscribers. TWC is only unacceptable for people like me. :-)
Quoting 599. StormTrackerScott:
Eventhough there is a less than 1 percent chance of us Floridians getting snow but heck is fun to talk about and dream a little. I would love to see snow but I am to far south in FL for that.
Yes Please.
Quoting 603. Climate175:
Yes Please.


That's a dream set up there!!
Aside from seeing sunny warm (relatively) days as far as the eye can see (at least as far as the beta version shows) that will likely melt off all the hard won snowpack this winter, Hey, California needs it! weatherwise, in western CO isn't so bad.

My thoughts about the topic today are this:
After the television writers strike a decade ago, I began seeing an encroachment of 'RealiTV' and quite poorly done, like stretching out a subject or incedent that could be FULLY explained in 5 minutes into a whole hour of wasted video. Watching news steadily become more slanted, with live reporting becoming sloppier as time goes on, with hours and hours of Opinion, Rumination and Conjecture, with little to no actual fact.
Watching the prices of Directv consistantly going up, with consistantly poorer programming, (not all the fault of Directv mind you) I eventually gave up paying the nearly $100/Mo bill for 400 channels of manure.
4 years later, I even quit watching the local channels as well when my county refused to upgrade the local translator system to digital TV (my tv went to snow that night)
While I have several options available as to television choices, Comcast, Century Link, Directv and Dish, I chose to opt out, and haven't even bothered once to watch TV in this country for the past 7 years. spent a day in Costa Rica sick with the flu in a hotel room flipping channels, was quite pleasantly impressed with the news, even if en espanol

As far as TWC buying out WU, I'm sorry to hear that.
I even quit using their website several years ago when their ads started flying around the screen and covering over the info i'm looking for, or an article i'm trying to read. I consider this anti advertising to the point I stop doing business with any company that posts ads like this (another reason I threw the TV out)

After seeing hints of this just today on this site, (right in front of my as i'm typing) I think I might start looking elsewhere for my weather related browsing. such crass, in your face advertising ONLY serves to urn me off to the advertiser, and the site that's hosting it
Quoting StormTrackerScott:


LOL! I know it ain't happening but heck thats the NAM and interesting to say the least even if it wont happen. No bets here considering I'm at 58 right now and it would take an Arctic Blast for me to start thinking snow.

Indeed, although last weeks Arctic blast was pretty impressive. We have a fountain on our main drag that was producing ice sickles from Sunday evening until Wednesday afternoon. Our low Monday night hit 12, and our high Tuesday was 29. Pretty danged chilly for SE Alabama. Looks like we'll be back down in the low 20's tomorrow night. It has been so cold since Decemebr that it's hard to imagine we are going to escape either an ice storm or a decent snowfall. Won't be tonight though. The barometer has quit falling and is starting to rise. The low is going to remain too far north to give us any precipitation.

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION...UPDATED
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MIAMI FL
754 PM EST TUE JAN 14 2014

.UPDATE 2...
A COLD FRONT OVER THE LAKE OKEECHOBEE REGION THIS EVENING WILL
CONTINUE TO MOVE SOUTH THROUGH SOUTH FLORIDA TONIGHT. THIS WILL
ALLOW FOR THE WINDS TO SWING FROM A SOUTHWEST DIRECTION THIS
EVENING TO A WESTERLY DIRECTION BY WEDNESDAY MORNING OVER THE
AREA. THE LATEST SHORT RANGE MODELS SHOW THAT THE WEATHER SHOULD
REMAIN DRY TONIGHT OVER MOST OF THE AREA. HOWEVER...THERE COULD BE
A FEW SHOWERS THAT COULD WORK INTO THE WEST COAST METRO AREAS OF
SOUTH FLORIDA TONIGHT ON THE WESTERLY WIND FLOW. SO WILL REMOVE
THE SHOWERS FOR MOST OF THE AREA FOR TONIGHT..EXCEPT FOR THE WEST
COAST METRO AREAS WHERE A 10 TO 20 PERCENT CHANCE REMAINS IN PLACE.

A STRONGER COLD FRONT IS FORECAST TO MOVE THROUGH SOUTH FLORIDA WEDNESDAY
EVENING FROM THE NORTH. THIS FRONT WILL BRING IN THE VERY DRY AND
COLDER AIR TO THE AREA FROM THE NORTH FOR LATE THIS WEEK. THE
SHORT TERM MODELS CONTINUE TO SHOW LOWS FOR THURSDAY MORNING TO BE
IN THE 40S OVER MOST OF THE AREA...EXCEPT AROUND 50 OVER THE
SOUTHEASTERN AREAS OF SOUTH FLORIDA. THE WINDS WILL ALSO BE FROM
THE NORTHWEST AROUND 10 MPH OVER THE INTERIOR AREAS TO 10 TO 15
MPH OVER THE METRO AREAS. THIS WILL ALLOW FOR THE WIND CHILL TO
FALL INTO THE LOWER TO MID 30S AROUND LAKE OKEECHOBEE REGION TO
UPPER 30S TO MID 40S ELSEWHERE.

FRIDAY MORNING WILL BE THE COLDEST MORNING SO FAR FOR THIS WINTER
OVER SOUTH FLORIDA...AS THE LATEST MODELS CONTINUE TO SHOW HIGH
PRESSURE SETTLING IN OVER THE AREA ALLOWING FOR LOWS TO FALL DOWN
TO AROUND FREEZING OVER THE INTERIOR AREAS TO MID 30S TO AROUND 40
OVER THE REST OF SOUTH FLORIDA. SO WILL CONTINUE THE FREEZE
OUTLOOK FOR THE INTERIOR AREAS FOR FRIDAY MORNING.
608. flsky
Quoting 592. sar2401:

I've been very impressed with WeatherNation so far. They seem to have state of the art equipment and some very knowledgeable on-air mets. They remind me of TWC 10 years ago. Not a lot of glitz but solid content. TWC has had some prefrential carriage fees due to the (former) public service nature of its programming. Since it's now over 50% non-weather related programming, with a ton more advertisers than they had even 5 years ago, DirectTV wants higher carriage fees, and TWC won't meet the price. As I said earlier, this is the first shot across the bow for TWC. With WeatherNation available for true weather geeks, TWC is going to be left in kind of no mans land, with not enough weather programming to satisfy most people like us, and a lot of pretty cheesy reality programs that aren't going to draw a large audience either. Other carriers are going to watch how this plays out. I know TWC is trying to redefine itself, but I obviously think they are headed in the wrong direction.

VERY slow to load.
And autoplay ads/videos. dislike.
But this is about their TV programming - obviously we've all found the best website for weather info.

Quoting 608. flsky:

VERY slow to load.
Quoting 604. StormTrackerScott:


That's a dream set up there!!
This is the weather map of December-24, 1989. A special Christmas Eve for us that night as we saw snow flurries coming down...Look familiar.?
Quoting 602. sar2401:

TA, I assume you meant unaccessible for DirectTV subscribers. TWC is only unacceptable for people like me. :-)

Yes. I get distracted easily and accidentally mistyped. :P
Quoting flsky:

VERY slow to load.

I'm talking about their TV show, not the web site.
This one excites me the most: (not saying we are going to have another storm of the century)

March 12, 1993: The 1993 Storm of the Century produces up to 4 inches (100 mm) of snow along the Florida Panhandle.

For some reason this silly picture won't show up on here.

here it is: Link
Quoting 609. evilpenguinshan:
And autoplay ads/videos. dislike.
But this is about their TV programming - obviously we've all found the best website for weather info.



yeah, was quite pissed when I left this site on overnight accidentally and it blew my GB limits, It cost me an extra $40 bucks that month
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

Yes. I get distracted easily and accidentally mistyped. :P

LOL. It's usually the spellchecker changing words for me, and I don't notice until after I post. A few have been downright embarassing. :-)
use an ad blocker, problem solved
Quoting 603. Climate175:
Yes Please.
Dude that is awesome! It would be a freaking blizzard here.
1991-1993 had some wacky weather
500 MB Height Anomaly from Dec -1989. Edit- It starts Nov-15 and ends in early Feb.
0z GFS model starts initializing around 10:30 EST, right?
Quoting 608. flsky:

VERY slow to load.
I am sure the WN site is being hit hard with new users wanting to check it out. They have a whole new audience today
Quoting 618. GTstormChaserCaleb:
Dude that is awesome! It would be a freaking blizzard here.
Yep Florida Snowmageddon.
Quoting 603. Climate175:
Yes Please.


Imagine if that ever happened. I'm assuming that's a tropical cyclone being portrayed, or a post-tropical cyclone, but not only would it have to be one of the earliest or latest tropical cyclone landfalls recorded (for the weather nerds on here), Florida would more than likely get a substantial blizzard somewhat like what people experienced during Sandy.
Quoting 621. GTstormChaserCaleb:
0z GFS model starts initializing around 10:30 EST, right?
Yep.
Imagine if Andrew hit when Florida was in a deep freeze.
Quoting 626. Climate175:
Imagine if Andrew hit when Florida was in a deep freeze.


LOL
Quoting 601. StormTrackerScott:


LOL! I know it ain't happening but heck thats the NAM and interesting to say the least even if it wont happen. No bets here considering I'm at 58 right now and it would take an Arctic Blast for me to start thinking snow.
Drizzle to some brief actual rain this morning in Sarasota just like I predicted last night. The only thing I got wrong was the fog, but I was not on the beach, so maybe I was not entirely wrong.Pompano ran south, so maybe cold weather is coming even if it is not this front. I watch nature for clues.
TA, if you are still here..00z Nam came further east with the snow than the 18z for thursday..not in our neck of the woods but may be setting up to show in our area closer to the event..

18z..



00z

I've never heard of WeatherNation before, I'll have to add that to my "must-watch" list.
It's depressing I'm excited about few flakes...
"If not, this will mean there are now 20 million people seeing less climate change coverage, at a time when The Weather Channel is actively expanding their climate change coverage, and at a time when society greatly needs as much awareness of how our climate is changing as possible."

Might be a good reason to DROP the weather channel ...
Quoting 631. Bluestorm5:
It's depressing I'm excited about few flakes...


Do you have a link to that fire?
0z GFS 6 hrs: Brings back memories of when I used to post each time frame and the blog would be in suspense wondering if we were going to be DOOMED. :D

Look at the dip in that 540 line.

Quoting 634. GTstormChaserCaleb:
0z GFS 6 hrs: Brings back memories of when I used to post each time frame and the blog would be in suspense wondering if we were going to be DOOMED. :D

Keep posting GFS frames lol.
Quoting 631. Bluestorm5:
It's depressing I'm excited about few flakes...


You have come to the right place, we have a few flakes here.
Perfect, just around sunrise.

Quoting 636. Climate175:
Keep posting GFS frames lol.
GFS and FIM are my two favorite to post. FIM is the experimental model that is supposed to replace the GFS.
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Quoting 639. GTstormChaserCaleb:
GFS and FIM are my two favorite to post. FIM is the experimental model that is supposed to replace the GFS.
What exactly does the GFS look at to get it's predictions?
643. beell
Quoting 641. Climate175:
What exactly does the GFS look at to get it's predictions?


Numerical Weather Prediction
Quoting 642. BaltimoreBrian:


You're a little late. We talked about that (chart) stuff 7 hours ago.
Quoting 642. BaltimoreBrian:
uh, Brian? That's supposed to be a graph, not a target.
Quoting 645. FLwolverine:
uh, Brian? That's supposed to be a graph, not a target.


...unless he's perfectly neutral.
647. yoboi
Quoting 633. PedleyCA:


Do you have a link to that fire?




Link
Quoting 642. BaltimoreBrian:


Seriously, are you neutral? No one is perfectly neutral.
Quoting 644. DeepSouthUS:


You're a little late. We talked about that (chart) stuff 7 hours ago.


Yes, well I was at work. I take my job seriously and don't fool around on line when I'm working.
Quoting 647. yoboi:




Link


Nice try, too general, all 50 states....
Bluestorm5 do you have a link for the Bay area fire?????
Quoting 642. BaltimoreBrian:


I wasn't far off it was a chart kinda day
Quoting 652. PedleyCA:
Bluestorm5 do you have a link for the Bay area fire?????
It was a tweet but...

@KTVU: #BREAKING: Fire on island near #Antioch forces residents to evacuate, sends smoke over #BayArea pic.twitter.com/DlEkXaK6jR
Keeper I saw that. It was kinda fun. It's an old chart, been around since 2000 at least. Where's your chart?
Pedley, have you seen sensei lately?

A little worried about him.
I spy SNOW! I'm going to pray now and go to bed. You all have a great night. :)

The article said Cal Fire was giving air support but there is no mention on their site of it.
Quoting 655. BaltimoreBrian:
Keeper I saw that. It was kinda fun. It's an old chart, been around since 2000 at least. Where's your chart?


I found it. Not far off at all :)
comment 197
Quoting 637. Dakster:


You have come to the right place, we have a few flakes here.
Quoting 656. Dakster:
Pedley, have you seen sensei lately?

A little worried about him.


He is up Nort(sic) in PA. I think he was on here yesterday.
Quoting 656. Dakster:
Pedley, have you seen sensei lately?

A little worried about him.
he is fine I have not seen him but he was here watchin reading iam sure
Quoting 663. PedleyCA:


He is up Nort(sic) in PA. I think he was on here yesterday.
sitting next to the fire got to keep him warm
Quoting 665. KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
sitting next to the fire got to keep him warm


Cold up there. Hope he is near a Fireplace. With lots of wood too.

Doom the anti-post
I spy Kori :) Get out of lurking!
all the gfs is showing is little clipper after little clipper most of the deep cold stays up over grtlakes swinging down but in short bursts

keep the eastern half chilly with the south slightly chilled for the run till hr 180
I wounder if last year hurrican season wish we had only 11 name storms is playing a row with this high that is keeping us high and dry
Quoting 669. Tazmanian:
I wounder if last year hurrican season wish we had only 11 name storms is playing a row with this high that is keeping us high and dry


warm waters over the nw keeping the highs and drys in place maybe

Even though nothing will [probably] happen with the non-tropical area in the northeast Atlantic, it's interesting to watch the various modeled thermal predictions of the low anyway. All runs are at 18z except the CMC and NAVGEM, which were run at 12z.

GFS:



CMC:



NAVGEM:



UKMET:



UKMET seems to have the closest depiction to reality, IMO.
Quoting 670. KEEPEROFTHEGATE:


warm waters over the nw keeping the highs and drys in place maybe





Am sueing this high if it dos not start too move soon
Later Peeps - Past my Bedtime - Stay Safe - Stay Warm - Play Nice
Quoting 667. BaltimoreBrian:
I spy Kori :) Get out of lurking!


Had a little catching up to do. Finally getting to the point where I feel like a human instead of a zombie.
Quoting 674. KoritheMan:


Had a little catching up to do. Finally getting to the point where I feel like a human instead of a zombie.



What's wrong with being a zombie? Its a hot topic these days to be undead. There are lots of zombies in the Tampa Bay area so don't feel bad, its completely normal to see people occasionally walking across the road right in front of your car in a robotic fashion.
Quoting 676. Jedkins01:



What's wrong with being a zombie? Its a hot topic these days to be undead. There are lots of zombies in the Tampa Bay area so don't feel bad, its completely normal to see people occasionally walking across the road right in front of your car in a robotic fashion.


There isn't. I was just using a clever and hopefully accurate metaphor to describe the various stages of my illness from past to present. :)
Quoting 676. Jedkins01:



What's wrong with being a zombie? Its a hot topic these days to be undead. There are lots of zombies in the Tampa Bay area so don't feel bad, its completely normal to see people occasionally walking across the road right in front of your car in a robotic fashion.


But would zombies find braaaaaaainz at FSU? ;)
*gasp* I can taste my drink, too (couldn't before due to nasal blockage)!

This is a good day!
91W drowning parts of the Philippines.. They've had ~30" of rain in the last week. Mostly in the last few days..

Quoting 677. KoritheMan:


There isn't. I was just using a clever and hopefully accurate metaphor to describe the various stages of my illness from past to present. :)



Haha I know what you mean though, I had the norovirus over the year ago, and it spread from me to the rest of my family as well. We called it the death flu, because its like a flu on steroids, I wondered if I had ingested ecoli or had food poisoning only to find out it was the norovirus.

That was one of the worst sicknesses I've ever had, a zombie would be a great way to describe it. At one point I threw up every 5 to 10 minutes for almost 12 consecutive hours, was really close to going to the hospital because I couldn't eat or drink anything because of that for over a day.

Trying to get out of bed felt like weighing 1000 pounds, it was disturbing because I'm used to being fit and active, never felt so weak.

Well there was this other time I did get ecoli on a trip to Central America, I think it speaks for itself, it was horrendous.
Jedkins01 and Kori I'm going to post some zombie clips on my blog in a few.
Quoting 678. BaltimoreBrian:


But would zombies find braaaaaaainz at FSU ;)



lol

If zombies were really looking for brains, why are there so many in the Tampa Bay area? People act like driving a car in the Bay area is like flying a mission to Mars.
Quoting 682. BaltimoreBrian:
Jedkins01 and Kori I'm going to post some zombie clips on my blog in a few.


If my internet decides to comply and stop being dumb, I'll head on over there and check 'em out quite promptly. :)
Mindanao floods, landslides leave 24 dead

MANILA – The death toll from the continuous rains in parts of Mindanao brought by a low pressure area (LPA) has risen to 24, the National Disaster Risk Reduction and Management Council (NDRRMC) said.

In its latest report, the NDRRMC said three more were reported dead in Misamis Occidental and Agusan Del Sur. One died due to electrocution while the two others drowned.

The other fatalities include six landslide victims in Tarragona, Davao Oriental; six in Cadianao, Dinagat Islands; and one victim in Tagum City, Davao del Norte.

The NDRRMC said seven people also drowned in Roxas in Zamboanga del Norte; Prosperidad in Agusan del Sur; Maco and New Bataan in Compostela Valley; and Lupon in Davao Oriental.

Twelve people remain missing while 36 were injured.

The NDRRMC said at least 13 landslide incidents and 5 flash flood incidents were reported around Mindanao. Days of intermittent rains affected at least 62,982 families or 299,351 people, and rendered 70 roads and 32 bridges impassable.

Some 235 houses were totally destroyed while 373 others sustained damage.

The deluge also prompted the declaration of state of calamity in Kausawagan in Lanao del Norte; Kapalong, Carmen, Asuncion, New Corella and Tagum City in Davao del Norte; Sta. Josefa and Sibagat in Agusan del Sur; and Butuan City, Agusan del Norte.
Quoting 681. Jedkins01:



Haha I know what you mean though, I had the norovirus over the year ago, and it spread from me to the rest of my family as well. We called it the death flu, because its like a flu on steroids, I wondered if I had ingested ecoli or had food poisoning only to find out it was the norovirus.

That was one of the worst sicknesses I've ever had, a zombie would be a great way to describe it. At one point I threw up every 5 to 10 minutes for almost 12 consecutive hours, was really close to going to the hospital because I couldn't eat or drink anything because of that for over a day.

Trying to get out of bed felt like weighing 1000 pounds, it was disturbing because I'm used to being fit and active, never felt so weak.

Well there was this other time I did get ecoli on a trip to Central America, I think it speaks for itself, it was horrendous.


And I thought throwing up a dozen times (approximately) in that same period was something to boast about!

o_o
Quoting 685. Skyepony:
Mindanao floods, landslides leave 24 dead

MANILA – The death toll from the continuous rains in parts of Mindanao brought by a low pressure area (LPA) has risen to 24, the National Disaster Risk Reduction and Management Council (NDRRMC) said.

In its latest report, the NDRRMC said three more were reported dead in Misamis Occidental and Agusan Del Sur. One died due to electrocution while the two others drowned.

The other fatalities include six landslide victims in Tarragona, Davao Oriental; six in Cadianao, Dinagat Islands; and one victim in Tagum City, Davao del Norte.

The NDRRMC said seven people also drowned in Roxas in Zamboanga del Norte; Prosperidad in Agusan del Sur; Maco and New Bataan in Compostela Valley; and Lupon in Davao Oriental.

Twelve people remain missing while 36 were injured.

The NDRRMC said at least 13 landslide incidents and 5 flash flood incidents were reported around Mindanao. Days of intermittent rains affected at least 62,982 families or 299,351 people, and rendered 70 roads and 32 bridges impassable.

Some 235 houses were totally destroyed while 373 others sustained damage.

The deluge also prompted the declaration of state of calamity in Kausawagan in Lanao del Norte; Kapalong, Carmen, Asuncion, New Corella and Tagum City in Davao del Norte; Sta. Josefa and Sibagat in Agusan del Sur; and Butuan City, Agusan del Norte.


Is that from 91W?
Mardi,Australia..
World record for 1/14/2014..
118 degrees today..
I NEVER want to experience that kind of heat..ever.. :(

Link
Quoting 518. ncstorm:


I wonder if they ever extended the olive branch to StormW when they unbanned members..he is a good forecaster..
...................................
690. flsky
Quoting 689. CosmicEvents:
...................................

Not!
TORONTO -- Canada's National Microbiology Laboratory has isolated live H5N1 virus from respiratory specimens taken from an Alberta woman who died recently from infection with that bird flu virus.

The Winnipeg-based lab is working in collaboration with Alberta's provincial laboratory to sequence the entire genome of the virus, which the woman is believed to have contracted during a three-week trip to China in December.

The woman was unwell on her return trip on Dec. 27, was hospitalized Jan. 1 and died Jan. 3.

This is the first time an H5N1 infection has been detected in North America.

Isolating the virus allows the national lab to do research on this H5N1.

In an emailed response to questions, officials at the Winnipeg lab say copies of the virus will be shared with the U.S. Centers for Disease Control, which is part of the World Health Organization's network of influenza reference laboratories.

They also say the full genetic blueprint of the virus will be entered into GISAID, an online influenza database accessible to flu researchers from around the globe.

Canadian and Alberta health officials have been working with authorities from China and from the WHO to try to figure out how the Alberta woman became infected with H5N1.

The woman was a nurse from Red Deer who was originally from China. She travelled there with her mother. The pair spent their entire vacation in Beijing and reportedly did not visit poultry markets or have exposure to poultry while there.

While H5N1 is considered to be endemic in China, there have been few recent reports of it there and none from Beijing. That fact, along with the woman's apparent lack of exposure to poultry, leaves authorities puzzled as to how she was exposed.
Quoting 687. KoritheMan:


Is that from 91W?

Yes..
Quoting 644. DeepSouthUS:


You're a little late. We talked about that (chart) stuff 7 hours ago.


The political compass discussion first came up on a blogger's personal blog two days (or three, can't exactly remember) ago.

;-)


GEM predicts two cyclones that will threaten Madagascar and Mozambique... will be an interesting week for cyclones if this occurs
Inevitable change in California water management if that blocking ridge keeps doing its dance off the West coast...
Link
Quoting 688. pcola57:
Mardi,Australia..
World record for 1/14/2014..
118 degrees today..
I NEVER want to experience that kind of heat..ever.. :(

Link


Yeah highest for me was 110 back in 2011, luckily family went to a water park that day. Just getting out of the water into shade was terrible oppressing heat. Can't imagine it being any hotter then that.
Night.



Quoting 591. RobDaHood:

Agree with you on pretty much all points.

A la carte sounds pretty good, but in the end, you'd probably get a lot fewer channels at a higher cost. Bundling usually ends up cheaper and...well, I've discovered a few good shows on channels that I probably wouldn't have paid for separately. All those extras do help occasionally when you have a sleepless night and 500 channels and nothing on. Then again...sometimes not.


Yep, you can spend the whole rest of the night checking out each one of those 500 channels, LOL!
Watching out for East coast snowstorm Jan 22 next week!
All this pointless watching of the non-tropical low in the northeast Atlantic obviously caused me to dream that Avila issued a Special Tropical Weather Outlook (STWO) for an area that was... completely unrelated to it. I'll see if I can remember enough to garner a rough paraphrase of my dream:


SPECIAL TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
700 PM EST TUE JAN 14 2014

FOR THE NORTH ATLANTIC...CARIBBEAN SEA AND THE GULF OF MEXICO...

A WEAK SURFACE TROUGH IS LOCATED JUST NORTH OF THE NORTHERN COAST OF CUBA. UPPER-LEVEL WINDS ARE NOT FAVORABLE OVER THE GULF OF MEXICO FOR SIGNIFICANT DEVELOPMENT AS THE SYSTEM MOVES WEST-NORTHWESTWARD TO NORTHWESTWARD AT 10 MPH. THIS SYSTEM HAS A LOW CHANCE...10 PERCENT...OF BECOMING A TROPICAL CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT 48 HOURS...AND A LOW CHANCE...10 PERCENT...OF BECOMING A TROPICAL CYCLONE DURING THE NEXT FIVE DAYS.

ELSEWHERE...TROPICAL CYCLONE FORMATION IS NOT EXPECTED DURING THE
NEXT FIVE DAYS.

$$
FORECASTER AVILA

If you guys can't tell, I'm ready for Arthur. Only January I know, but I didn't ask for admonishments. :)



Very intense close encounter with a tornado in Indonesia.
Quoting 686. KoritheMan:


And I thought throwing up a dozen times (approximately) in that same period was something to boast about!

o_o



Well, its arguable if boast would be the right word lol, because that was an experience I hope I never have again.
It was the first experience I felt like I could die from since I became part of 120 V Christmas light circuit for several seconds when I was 10 years old. My hand cramped up from current flow and I was attached to the circuit for what felt like forever, my vision went bad that day and I could barely walk because I was literally shaking and my heart beat had an irregular rhythm. I didn't go to the hospital because I was scared of my parents knowing what I did and so they didn't know it even happened for another year.
I was experimenting with electricity and should have died, just not going to the hospital alone could have been fatal but I recovered fully on my own. My parents did notice something was wrong with me, I just told them I got really sick. I thank God I survived.


Sounds like you had something pretty bad yourself though.
Quoting 703. Jedkins01:



Well, its arguable if boast would be the right word lol, because that was an experience I hope I never have again.
It was the first experience I felt like I could die from since I became part of 120 V Christmas light circuit for several seconds when I was 10 years old. My hand cramped up from current flow and I was attached to the circuit for what felt like forever, my vision went bad that day and I could barely walk because I was literally shaking and my heart beat had an irregular rhythm. I didn't go to the hospital because I was scared of my parents knowing what I did and so they didn't know it even happened for another year.
I was experimenting with electricity and should have died, just not going to the hospital alone could have been fatal but I recovered fully on my own. My parents did notice something was wrong with me, I just told them I got really sick. I thank God I survived.


Sounds like you had something pretty bad yourself though.


Your situation sounds analogous to mine. In July 2012, I got what I believe was zinc toxicity. Like you, I didn't go to the doctor, largely because I was too embarrassed to admit I did something reckless.

After I recovered, I found that adult males are supposed to have 11 mg of zinc per day, but I had bought some at Walmart that were 50 mg per day, so that's nearly five times the recommended amount. I later learned that zinc is one of the minerals that's harder to escape from your system, so it's easy to see why taking 50 mg a day for a month finally triggered such an event. It happened while I was working out as well, which I'm sure only hastened the process.

I couldn't keep any food down (it felt like the walls of my stomach hurt anytime I swallowed anything), I felt like I was going into shock, I felt... well... like I was dying, really. Grandmother tried to take my blood sugar (she has a machine, being diabetic...) and my blood literally wouldn't come out. At that point I was pretty certain something bad was going on.

Posthumously, I found that zinc toxicity can sometimes lead to permanent brain damage and has a decent risk of death, so I feel pretty lucky that I survived without either, not going to the hospital and all.

Sounds like your experience was pretty bad too, though. Yikes.
705. Ocala
I say good riddance to TWC. They are nothing like they used to be back when they were a weather service instead of a reality channel.
And Jeff, you would have never posted a blog like that if WU didn't sell out to TWC.
Enhanced water vapor.
Good Morning!......................
OH OH...........Freeze Watch

------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------
URGENT - WEATHER MESSAGE
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MIAMI FL
315 AM EST WED JAN 15 2014

...FREEZE WATCH IN EFFECT FOR THURSDAY NIGHT THROUGH FRIDAY
MORNING FOR GLADES AND HENDRY COUNTIES...

.A STRONG COLD FRONT WILL BRING A COLD AIR MASS INTO SOUTH
FLORIDA. THIS COULD ALLOW AREAS IN GLADES AND HENDRY COUNTIES SEE
TEMPERATURES DROP BELOW FREEZING FOR SEVERAL HOURS THURSDAY NIGHT
THROUGH FRIDAY MORNING.

FLZ063-066-152100-
/O.NEW.KMFL.FZ.A.0002.140117T0200Z-140117T1400Z/
GLADES-HENDRY-
INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...MOORE HAVEN...CLEWISTON
315 AM EST WED JAN 15 2014

...FREEZE WATCH IN EFFECT FROM THURSDAY EVENING THROUGH FRIDAY
MORNING...

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN MIAMI HAS ISSUED A FREEZE WATCH...
WHICH IS IN EFFECT FROM THURSDAY EVENING THROUGH FRIDAY MORNING.

* TEMPERATURE...TEMPERATURES MAY DROP TO AROUND 30 DEGREES FOR 3
TO 4 HOURS BY FRIDAY MORNING.

* IMPACTS...BELOW FREEZING TEMPERATURES MAY CAUSE DAMAGE TO
AGRICULTURAL CONCERNS.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

A FREEZE WATCH MEANS TEMPERATURES OF 32 DEGREES OR LOWER ARE
POSSIBLE...FOR ANY DURATION OF TIME. THESE CONDITIONS COULD KILL
CROPS AND OTHER SENSITIVE VEGETATION.

&&

$$
THIS HAZARDOUS WEATHER OUTLOOK IS FOR WEST CENTRAL AND SOUTHWEST
FLORIDA.

.DAY ONE...TODAY AND TONIGHT.

...GUSTY SHOWER IMPACT...
SHOWERS ARE EXPECTED TO DEVELOP IN THE GULF TONIGHT BEFORE MOVING
ASHORE ALONG WEST CENTRAL AND SOUTHWEST FLORIDA. THESE SHOWERS
COULD BRING GUSTY WINDS OVERNIGHT.

...WIND AND SEA IMPACT...
GUSTY WINDS OVERNIGHT WILL DETERIORATE CONDITIONS IN THE WATERS TO
NECESSITATE A SMALL CRAFT ADVISORY STARTING TONIGHT. MARINERS
SHOULD REFERENCE THE LATEST FORECASTS AND ADVISORIES FOR MORE
DETAILS.

...EXCESSIVE COLD IMPACT...
COLDER AIR WILL FILTER INTO THE NATURE COAST...CREATING WIND
CHILL VALUES 35 OR BELOW FOR AREAS NORTH OF INTERSTATE 4 ALONG
WITH PORTIONS OF INTERIOR CENTRAL FLORIDA TONIGHT. PORTIONS OF
LEVY COUNTY COULD ALSO SEE TEMPERATURES AT OR BELOW FREEZING
TONIGHT.

.DAYS TWO THROUGH SEVEN...THURSDAY THROUGH TUESDAY.

...EXCESSIVE COLD IMPACT...
THE POTENTIAL FOR FREEZING TEMPERATURES EXISTS ON THURSDAY NIGHT
INTO FRIDAY MORNING AND SATURDAY NIGHT INTO SUNDAY MORNING FOR
MUCH OF WEST CENTRAL AND INTERIOR SOUTHWEST FLORIDA. LEVY COUNTY
COULD ADDITIONALLY EXPERIENCE FREEZING TEMPERATURES ON FRIDAY
NIGHT INTO SATURDAY MORNING.

"...The Weather Channel is actively expanding their climate change coverage..."

One must wonder if this increased coverage is, in fact, what led DTV to dump TWC for the new FauxWeatherNation program?
Quoting 710. panzerfaust:
"...The Weather Channel is actively expanding their climate change coverage..."

One must wonder if this increased coverage is, in fact, what led DTV to dump TWC for the new FauxWeatherNation program?
I dont mind if they talk about climate change as long as they stick to the facts...I find reality shows to be phony for the most part. I watched TWC from the beginning into the 1990,s and liked it.
712. beell
Regarding the proposed change to SPC's Catagorical/Probability Convective Outlooks:

I entered a brief note on the SPC's web feedback page on Monday afternoon requesting general information on this change. Received a prompt and informative reply on Tuesday from none other than Roger Edwards. Fwiw, one of my favorite SPC forecasters because of the amount of technical detail included in any SPC product with his name on it.

Roger's response:

Thanks for writing. In short, the actual forecast (the probability numbers) wouldn't change at all--just the way it is translated to two categorical outlook lines. Here is a Q&A on the enhancements put together by our Warning-Coordination Meteorologist, Greg Carbin...

Here is a Q&A about the proposal to add resolution to the descriptions used for SPC Outlooks

Q: What is this change?

A: The SPC is expanding the number of risk categories from 4 to 5 and clarifying the risk previously labeled “SEE TEXT”.

Previous:
1. See Text
2. Slight (SLGT)
3. Moderate (MDT)
4. High (HIGH)

New:
1. Marginal (MRGL replaces the current SEE TEXT)
2. Slight (SLGT)
3. Enhanced (ENH will replace upper-end SLGT risk probabilities, but is not a MDT risk.)
4. Moderate (MDT)
5. High (HiGH)

Q: Why is the SPC proposing to do this?

A: The purpose is to achieve better consistency and resolution between SPC's probabilistic outlooks and the descriptive (categorical) outlooks. These changes are being made based on customer feedback and to better meet users’ needs.

“See Text” does not currently convey a threat (due to the lack of a contour in any "See Text" categorical forecast).

The current "Slight Risk" category covers too broad a range of severe weather probability values.

Example: Currently, a 10 percent risk of a significant tornado is categorized as a SLGT Risk which is the same category used for a "low end" risk of severe thunderstorm wind and hail events at 15%.

A primary goal of these changes is to bring better consistency to the risks communicated in SPC outlooks, from the short-range Day 1 Outlooks through the extended range Day 4-8 Outlooks.

Q: How has the SPC decided to make this change?

A: The change is based on many years of feedback and interactions with users, customers and social scientists.

Q: Why not a more comprehensive overhaul of all categorical outlook words (i.e. SLGT, MDT, HIGH)?

A: The category words SLGT, MDT, and HIGH are generally understood by the weather risk communication community. Making measured changes to the current system, we believe, is more effective than a wholesale change.

Q: When will this change occur?

A: SPC forecasters will begin to incorporate the new categories on or about April 8, 2014, for an experimental period of 60 days, during which feedback will be solicited.

===== Roger Edwards =====
Storm Prediction Center
Specializing in tornadoes
and other severe convection


Good morning, afternoon and evening, everyone. It's 44 degrees with a wind chill of 39. High today of only 56.

Breakfast's on the sideboard: fruity granola and yogurt parfait, bacon and grill cheese sandwich,
Canadian bacon breakfast cups, Andouille sausage and shrimp over cheesy grits, Apple pie bites (apple slice wrapped in a croissant), bagels with cream cheese and jelly or lox, thick slices of fried honey ham, cheese Danishes, yogurt, fresh fruit and orange,
apple or pineapple juice. Regular and decaf coffee with flavored creamers to the side. Enjoy!
Last night TWC said by 2100 Breckenridge Colorado could look like Amarillo Texas due to climate change.

With climate change there would be less precipitation in the Rocky Mountain region (in theory).

But I don't know how C/C is going to make a 9000 ft elevation mountain location look like a city at 3600 ft with flat/featureless topography.

Then TWC showed a animation showing Breckenridge all green and lush vs. covered with snow.
When did Amarillo become a green and lush climate?

They need to stick to reporting the weather.

I turned the channel.


Felt this one. It was a jolt for a couple of seconds a break and a slightly bigger jolt. This was about 7.7 miles North of me. I thought it was around 5.0 but it turned out to be 4.4, nothing broken.
Topic-Weather Channel vs. Direct TV. I was an original fan of the Weather Channel when it first rolled out because of my love for meteorology. I watched for hours and learned a lot. In recent years however, I have watched less and less until I almost don't watch at all. I turn it on for weather and am assaulted with News, Garden Tips, shows that have no relevance to the weather that is happening now. If I want to watch those things I will tune to those stations! I am inundated with the Atlanta Metro forecast, and more time is spent on just Atlanta than anything west of the Mississippi. It is as if we do not exist. I used to be able to get on and, being a big softball player, track storms and directions on game days in the summer monsoon here in Albuquerque. This has ramifications as far as whether we played, and also wind direction. Being a power hitter and knowing that when it rains here the air cools and sinks to the ground in a mini downburst and the wind direction is usually from the core of a thunderstorm cell plays a part in the nature of the game, dictating whether to use your allotted home runs early, knowing the wind will change and start blowing in during the game making it almost impossible to hit one out. I have not been able to do this for years now. I watched your 'second rate' competition channel for the first time yesterday and-Lo and Behold, actual coverage of weather in the West. Of course it is not to your standards of coverage, but it will get there with time. Unless changes are in the works to include the Western half of the country on the Weather channel and get back to your roots, I will not be in a hurry to write Direct TV about this. Cantore-I will miss you!
Quoting 714. Sfloridacat5:
Last night TWC said by 2100 Breckenridge Colorado could look like Amarillo Texas due to climate change.

With climate change there would be less precipitation in the Rocky Mountain region (in theory).

But I don't know how C/C is going to make a 9000 ft elevation mountain location look like a city at 3600 ft with flat/featureless topography.

Then TWC showed a animation showing Breckenridge all green and lush vs. covered with snow.
When did Amarillo become a green and lush climate?

They need to stick to reporting the weather.

I turned the channel.

Here's Breck this a.m.


I've visited Breck at least a dozen times. I love the place!



Fire

This happened yesterday about 3.5 miles NNW of me.




fire by coast
719. beell
AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE GRAND FORKS ND
434 AM CST WED JAN 15 2014

.SHORT TERM...(TODAY THROUGH THURSDAY)
ISSUED AT 430 AM CST WED JAN 15 2014

THE MAIN CHALLENGE WILL BE IMPENDING BLIZZARD LATE TONIGHT THROUGH THURSDAY IN THE RED RIVER VALLEY. MODELS HAVE COME INTO VERY GOOD AGREEMENT REGARDING TIMING OF BLIZZARD...SO WILL BE UPGRADING BLIZZARD WATCH TO BLIZZARD WARNING WITH THIS MORNING FORECAST.

FOR TODAY...A BAND OF SNOW WILL MOVE QUICKLY FROM WEST TO EAST...PERHAPS MIXING WITH SOME SLEET/FZRA BY AFTERNOON. THERE SHOULD AROUND AN INCH IN MOST AREAS...PERHAPS 2 IN THE EAST. SOUTHERLY WINDS WILL ALSO INCREASE AND SOME BLOWING/DRIFTING SNOW IS LIKELY IN THE VALLEY. TEMPS WILL WARM WELL INTO THE 30S IN THE FAR WEST AND COOLER EAST. THERE IS VERY WARM AIR CURRENTLY IN THE CHINOOK WESTERLY FLOW IN ALBERTA...SO WE WILL SEE JUST HOW WARM WE CAN GET LATER TODAY.

FOR TONIGHT AND THU...WINDS WILL SHIFT TO THE WEST THIS EVENING WITH AT LEAST 60KT TO MIX IN THE WEST. THERE WILL BE A FAIRLY STRONG INVERSION...BUT EVEN WITH THE INVERSION EXPECT BLOWING SNOW ALONG AND WEST OF THE VALLEY FROM 00-06Z AND SOME LIGHT SNOW. SNOW WILL BE A BIT HEAVIER CLOSER TO THE LOW IN THE EAST...WITH A FEW MORE INCHES POSSIBLE. THE TRUE ARCTIC FRONT SHOULD APPROACH THE NORTHERN AREAS IN THE 6-9Z TIMEFRAME AND INTO THE FAR SOUTH AROUND 12Z THU. EXPECT BLIZZARD CONDITIONS TO DEVELOP QUICKLY AROUND 6-9Z NORTH AND TOWARDS 12Z IN THE SOUTH. THE STRONGEST CORE OF NORTH WINDS IN THE VALLEY WITH 50KT TO MIX SHOULD MOVE IN DURING THE 12Z THU- 15Z THU TIMEFRAME...IN ADDITION TO A BAND OF LIGHT SNOW WITH A
SUPER ADIABATIC LAYER IN THE LOWEST 900MB. IT IS VERY INTERESTING THAT BUFR SOUNDINGS EVEN SHOW SOME LOW LEVEL CAPE AROUND 80J/KG...AND THIS LOW LEVEL VERTICAL MOTION WILL HELP LOFT SNOW THAT WILL BE CARRIED BY SUSTAINED WINDS FROM 40 TO 50MPH WITH GUSTS FROM 60 TO EVEN 65 MPH POSSIBLE IN THE VALLEY WEST. INTENSE PRESSURE RISE MAXIMUM AND EXTREME LOW LEVEL COLD ADVECTION SHOULD PRODUCE VERY EFFICIENT MIXING OF THE STRONG WINDS ALOFT. THESE INTENSE WINDS WILL CREATE ZERO VISIBILITY EVEN IN LARGER TOWNS WHEN SNOW COMBINES WITH POWERFUL/POTENTIALLY DAMAGING WINDS DURING THE THURSDAY MORNING COMMUTE...AND TRAVEL WILL LIKELY BECOME IMPOSSIBLE AT TIMES IN OPEN COUNTRY. THIS WILL BE A PARTICULARLY DANGEROUS/SEVERE BLIZZARD GIVEN THE ANTICIPATED VERY STRONG WINDS...FALLING TEMPS AND FAIRLY LONG DURATION THROUGH THE DAY THURSDAY. THERE COULD EVEN BE LOCALIZED POWER OUTAGES WITH THE VERY STRONG WINDS EXPECTED...
What makes that story (Breckenride becoming like Amarillo by 2100) even more misinformed is Amarillo Tx. gets more precipitation annually than Breckenridge Co.

The average annual rainfall for Amarillo, Texas is 21.14 inches

The annual average precipitation at Breckenridge is 19.73 Inches

I hope they stop running that story/show on TWC.
Quoting 720. Sfloridacat5:
What makes that story (Breckenride becoming like Amarillo by 2100) even more misinformed is Amarillo Tx. gets more precipitation annually than Breckenridge Co.

The average annual rainfall for Amarillo, Texas is 21.14 inches

The annual average precipitation at Breckenridge is 19.73 Inches

I hope they stop running that story/show on TWC.


Scare mongering for the low-info types. Never let a good crisis (real or imagined) go to waste.
722. beell
AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE GRAND FORKS ND
434 AM CST WED JAN 15 2014

...IT IS VERY INTERESTING THAT BUFR SOUNDINGS EVEN SHOW SOME LOW LEVEL CAPE AROUND 80J/KG...AND THIS LOW LEVEL VERTICAL MOTION WILL HELP LOFT SNOW THAT WILL BE CARRIED BY SUSTAINED WINDS FROM 40 TO 50MPH WITH GUSTS FROM 60 TO EVEN 65 MPH POSSIBLE...


15 January 1997 -- Blowing snow over North Dakota/CIMSS
Not time for me to be up yet. Going back to sleep.
Why would any sane person live in the Dakotas this time of the year?
Quoting 714. Sfloridacat5:
Last night TWC said by 2100 Breckenridge Colorado could look like Amarillo Texas due to climate change.

With climate change there would be less precipitation in the Rocky Mountain region (in theory).

But I don't know how C/C is going to make a 9000 ft elevation mountain location look like a city at 3600 ft with flat/featureless topography.

Then TWC showed a animation showing Breckenridge all green and lush vs. covered with snow.
When did Amarillo become a green and lush climate?

They need to stick to reporting the weather.

I turned the channel.
I read something awhile ago that said pretty much the same..but some of the wet regions would get wetter and some area's would become more drier around the world..well humans will have to adjust like we always have thru the ages huh..
Staying below Avg across the SE next week, dry everywhere. Can we say its the dry season yet? :o)


728. beell
Quoting 724. Thunderfan:
Why would any sane person live in the Dakotas this time of the year?

"Fargo"

729. yoboi
Quoting 727. VR46L:
Good Morning Interesting piece of opinion

Weather Channel's Highly Successful Mobile App Is Destroying Its Highly Successful Cable Channel




Good morning....Have a great day...
Quoting 724. Thunderfan:
Why would any sane person live in the Dakotas this time of the year?

Lots of jobs for one.
731. beell
Quoting 730. PensacolaDoug:

Lots of jobs for one.


ND historically has had one of the lowest unemployment rates in the country. Even before the Williston Basin shale oil. Prelim for 2013 at about 2.6%.
US Department of Labor
good morning after a night of reflection yes i do like the twc weather. in fact i watch this station more than the others combined. the others specialize in making me feel bad for one reason or another. sports tv has lost my attention too go twc...great.video.from.bali
Quoting 731. beell:


ND historically has had one of the lowest unemployment rates in the country. Even before the Williston Basin shale oil. Prelim for 2013 at about 2.6%.
US Department of Labor


Drill baby drill. The more we produce ourselves the less we buy from our enemies.
Quoting beell:


ND historically has had one of the lowest unemployment rates in the country. Even before the Williston Basin shale oil. Prelim for 2013 at about 2.6%.
US Department of Labor


But it is cold, very cold. There are blizzards. Rivers flowing north that flood due to ice jams. Brrr...

I'll take my chances with tropical systems and severe weather thank you very much. (I know they get severe weather too, but that will make this place an attractive tourist stop in June.)
735. beell
Quoting 733. PensacolaDoug:


Drill baby drill. The more we produce ourselves the less we buy from our enemies.


Not much other choice in the short term (10 years?).

Beats coal and tar sands.

ADDED:
This is not a "denialist" argument. Although many in the climate change community suffer from their own form of denial. To quote Dr. Rood, "Short-term energy and economic issues will always trump climate change"
OSCAT of our Atlantic swirl in the night..

The dry air is surrounding our little vortex.

740. VR46L


USGS Science Pop Quiz

I got 3 wrong , Which I think is quite good being a foreigner LOL
Still Infomercial Blog... yuck.
Quoting 740. VR46L:


USGS Science Pop Quiz

I got 3 wrong , Which I think is quite good being a foreigner LOL



I got 12/13.. I got the question about cost of landslides incorrect.
743. VR46L
Quoting 741. biff4ugo:
Still Infomercial Blog... yuck.


Funny thing is it probably gave weathernation a boost too . People checking it out ,lots of praise coming in via Twitter of the new station ....
Quoting 743. VR46L:


Funny thing is it probably gave weathernation a boost too . People checking it out ,lots of praise coming in via Twitter of the new station ....


I checked it out again this morning... It actually isn't that bad... They got something like the local on the 8s from the weather channel but its kinda at random times... One thing that caught my eye though was that the man talking about the weather had a nice suit on, but NO TIE. :P
Quoting 741. biff4ugo:
Still Infomercial Blog... yuck.



If you don't like it you can go else where


This is dr m blog and he can post what ever he wants and if you don't like it you go fine other blog two go two
746. VR46L
Quoting 742. Torito:



I got 12/13.. I got the question about cost of landslides incorrect.


Naw I got that one right ,figured it would be the highest total after hearing that the Polar Vorex was being described as a disaster and costing billions ....
Quoting 745. Tazmanian:



If you don't like it you can go else where


This is dr m blog and he can post what ever he wants and if you don't like it you go fine other blog two go two


Oh.... Good morning, Taz.

Quoting 746. VR46L:


Naw I got that one right ,figured it would be the highest total after hearing that the Polar Vorex was being described as a disaster and costing billions ....


I said B instead of C. I don't hear too much about landslides TBH.. :P
A number of years ago, I would watch TWC occasionally. Even before I retired to a remote mountain highlands region of Western Panama, I cancelled my cable TV because of the huge choice of video garbage, the incessant commercials, and few programs that I was interested in. I do not subscribe to cable TV, and even if I did, they don't carry TWC in Panama.

I downloaded and tried to watch the first of the recent TWC series of climate change documentaries titled "Tipping Points." It was one of the worst nature/science documentaries I have ever seen, compared to the BBC, NPR, National Geographic and various Discovery Channel documentaries I have seen over my lifetime. It was short clipped segments with rapid video cuts and no flow. It was irritating much more than being informative. It was more like an old MTV short music video than an actual serious documentary. A few days later, I watched the incredible "Chasing Ice" documentary and realized that truly excellent documentaries are still being produced.

If TWC's reality shows are as bad as Tipping Points and they are relying on jarring video techniques rather than quality of production, it would seem to indicate that they are reaching for a fickle audience of pop culture couch potato TV watchers rather weather buffs and those interested in local, regional, and severe weather situations.

Infinite financial growth for a business is a mathematical impossibility, and TWC as a business outgrew its roots of weather programming. In attempting to build an ever-increasing audience, TWC stepped into the arena of highly competitive video pop culture, and it is now facing viewership and carrier issues as it's growth hits the wall.

I will follow the evolution of cable/satellite/internet weather programming in the U.S. with some interest, simply because, as with AGW/CC, I am fascinated with the human psychology behind this story.

I do hope that Dr. Masters and crew can continue to make a living at communicating weather and climate information with an internet audience. They are an honest, dedicated and knowledgeable team, and they contribute a lot of reliable, high-quality information and facilitate interesting and lively discussions.
Quoting 749. Xulonn:
A number of years ago, I would watch TWC occasionally. Even before I retired to a remote mountain highlands region of Western Panama, I cancelled my cable TV because of the huge choice of video garbage, the incessant commercials, and few programs that I was interested in. I do not subscribe to cable TV, and even if I did, they don't carry TWC in Panama.

I downloaded and tried to watch the first of the recent TWC series of climate change documentaries titled "Tipping Points." It was one of the worst nature/science documentaries I have ever seen, compared to the BBC, NPR, National Geographic and various Discovery Channel documentaries I have seen over my lifetime. It was short clipped segments with rapid video cuts and no flow. It was irritating much more than being informative. It was more like an old MTV short music video than an actual serious documentary. A few days later, I watched the incredible "Chasing Ice" documentary and realized that truly excellent documentaries are still being produced.

If TWC's reality shows are as bad as Tipping Points and they are relying on jarring video techniques rather than quality of production, it would seem to indicate that they are reaching for a fickle audience of pop culture couch potato TV watchers rather weather buffs and those interested in local, regional, and severe weather situations.

Infinite financial growth for a business is a mathematical impossibility, and TWC as a business outgrew its roots of weather programming. In attempting to build an ever-increasing audience, TWC stepped into the arena of highly competitive video pop culture, and it is now facing viewership and carrier issues as it's growth hits the wall.

I will follow the evolution of cable/satellite/internet weather programming in the U.S. with some interest, simply because, as with AGW/CC, I am fascinated with the human psychology behind this story.

I do hope that Dr. Masters and crew can continue to make a living at communicating weather and climate information with an internet audience. They are an honest, dedicated and knowledgeable team, and they contribute a lot of reliable, high-quality information and facilitate interesting and lively discussions.


NATGEO is a very good source for those shows.. I got that channel as well as their magazines each month delivered to my mailbox..... :)
Quoting 735. beell:


Not much other choice in the short term (10 years?).

Beats coal and tar sands.

ADDED:
This is not a "denialist" argument. Although many in the climate change community suffer from their own form of denial. To quote Dr. Rood, "Short-term energy and economic issues will always trump climate change"
"Beats coal and tar sands". I suppose, though that seems a little like saying, "Being addicted to cocaine and Xanax beats being addicted to heroin". Anyway, be sure to include the entire paragraph for the proper context; Dr. Rood wasn't suggesting oil was the only way to go, but that our inability to plan for the long-term is dooming us.

"It is crystal clear that we cannot address our energy challenges and expect to automatically address our climate issues. Short-term energy and economic issues will always trump climate change. We have here a technological development that by all indications makes global warming worse. We have great challenges in finding safe, secure sources of energy. Our easiest approaches to the energy security problem make the climate change problem worse. We cannot solve the climate change problem with fossil fuels - remember it is the accumulation of carbon dioxide, not the instantaneous emission of carbon dioxide that manners. All that is emitted stays with us for a very long time. Therefore, new technology that makes it possible to exploit unconventional oil and gas, which might make the U.S. energy independent, puts multiple stresses into the effort to address climate change. We have ingrained behavior and practice that continue to reward exploitation of fossil fuels more aggressively than renewable energy. Though the World Bank analysis comes to the conclusion that 'a 4 degree Celsius warmer world must be avoided,' we have no energy policy, we have no climate policy, and hence, there is little indication that we will take steps to avoid that World."
752. ARiot
Quoting 740. VR46L:


USGS Science Pop Quiz

I got 3 wrong , Which I think is quite good being a foreigner LOL


Good job. I missed two. I blame society for my failure to score 100% :-P
seems nws is trying to get the word out to interior south florida that a possible freeze might happen thurs night or friday,those folks down there havent had this kind of cold so far i think..i guess for my immediate area no freeze warnings just yet,my county is surrounded by water which keeps us a bit wamer than the interior ...those who have crops may want to pay attention to future warnings this week.....
Quoting 747. Torito:


Oh.... Good morning, Taz.





LOL
756. beell
Quoting 751. Neapolitan:
Be sure to include the entire paragraph, would you?

"It is crystal clear that we cannot address our energy challenges and expect to automatically address our climate issues. Short-term energy and economic issues will always trump climate change. We have here a technological development that by all indications makes global warming worse. We have great challenges in finding safe, secure sources of energy. Our easiest approaches to the energy security problem make the climate change problem worse. We cannot solve the climate change problem with fossil fuels - remember it is the accumulation of carbon dioxide, not the instantaneous emission of carbon dioxide that manners. All that is emitted stays with us for a very long time. Therefore, new technology that makes it possible to exploit unconventional oil and gas, which might make the U.S. energy independent, puts multiple stresses into the effort to address climate change. We have ingrained behavior and practice that continue to reward exploitation of fossil fuels more aggressively than renewable energy. Though the World Bank analysis comes to the conclusion that 'a 4 degree Celsius warmer world must be avoided,' we have no energy policy, we have no climate policy, and hence, there is little indication that we will take steps to avoid that World."


The full blog entry is linked. Open acceptance of the quoted snippet (which you forgot to include in the emphasis-added) is an important first step towards development of policy.
7-day tampa bay area....................
758. ARiot
Quoting 710. panzerfaust:
"...The Weather Channel is actively expanding their climate change coverage..."

One must wonder if this increased coverage is, in fact, what led DTV to dump TWC for the new FauxWeatherNation program?


I doubt it. DirecTV airs Free-Speech TV and Link TV. Those are both the closest possible thing to anything resembling "left of center" channels in the USA. They even ran them when Murdoch owned significant interest in DirecTV. (They are not really that far left globally speaking, and they are both viewer funded.)

You can (or could) also get RTV on DirecTV. That's pretty much a propoganda channel, at least some of their original programming is....

This is about carrier fees, and those NDAs never break. So we'll never know the true economics of what TWC wanted and what DirecTV wanted.
Quoting 756. beell:


The full blog entry is linked. Open acceptance of the quoted snippet (which you forgot to include in the emphasis-added) is an important first step towards development of policy.
I didn't feel I needed to boldface the sentence you took out of context, as it had already just starred in its own comment, and I repeated it in mine.

Readers should always be careful to avoid making the mistake of selecting only those passages they wish to be true while ignoring the remainder. The truth, the whole truth...
760. VR46L
Quoting 759. Neapolitan:
I didn't feel I needed to boldface the sentence you took out of context, as it had already just starred in its own comment, and I repeated it in mine.

Readers should always be careful to avoid making the mistake of selecting only those passages they wish to be true while ignoring the remainder. The truth, the whole truth...


Yeah it really drives me crazy when people snip quotes of comments here too !
761. beell


Have a good 'un.
Quoting 751. Neapolitan:
"Beats coal and tar sands". I suppose, though that seems a little like saying, "Being addicted to cocaine and Xanax beats being addicted to herion". Anyway, be sure to include the entire paragraph for the proper context; Dr. Rood wasn't suggesting oil was the only way to go, but that our inability to plan for the long-term is dooming us.

"It is crystal clear that we cannot address our energy challenges and expect to automatically address our climate issues. Short-term energy and economic issues will always trump climate change. We have here a technological development that by all indications makes global warming worse. We have great challenges in finding safe, secure sources of energy. Our easiest approaches to the energy security problem make the climate change problem worse. We cannot solve the climate change problem with fossil fuels - remember it is the accumulation of carbon dioxide, not the instantaneous emission of carbon dioxide that manners. All that is emitted stays with us for a very long time. Therefore, new technology that makes it possible to exploit unconventional oil and gas, which might make the U.S. energy independent, puts multiple stresses into the effort to address climate change. We have ingrained behavior and practice that continue to reward exploitation of fossil fuels more aggressively than renewable energy. Though the World Bank analysis comes to the conclusion that 'a 4 degree Celsius warmer world must be avoided,' we have no energy policy, we have no climate policy, and hence, there is little indication that we will take steps to avoid that World."
Spell check
Quoting 763. PalmBeachWeather:
Spell check
Start with the first word. I knew ND grows lots of beets but I did not know Dr Dre made beats there. Hold on let me check on that Dr Dre part again.
766. jpsb
Quoting 640. BaltimoreBrian:



More on the most important study of the year.


Pine Island Glacier melting is more vulnerable to climatic variations caused by La Niña events than previously assumed, a new study reported.


The present study was conducted by researchers at British Antarctic Survey along with their colleagues at University of Washington and other institutions. The team found that the melting of the ice-shelf decreased by 50 percent between the years 2010 and 2012.


http://www.natureworldnews.com/articles/5509/2014 0103/antarcticas-pine-island-glacier-vulnerable-la -nina-events-researchers-find.htm
Quoting 764. KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
Good morning Keep..Most of the systems affecting Tennessee have been dry..This next one looks a bit better. May be a sign the storms are gathering moisture over the Pacific. The GFS is not hinting at this tho. It is hinting at cold air pooling south from the Arctic..


768. jpsb
Quoting 688. pcola57:
Mardi,Australia..
World record for 1/14/2014..
118 degrees today..
I NEVER want to experience that kind of heat..ever.. :(

Link


From wiki, highest temp in Australia

50.7 °C (123.3 °F) Oodnadatta, South Australia 1960-01-02

Also interesting is this

Australia recorded a temperature of 53.3°C (128°F) on 16/1/1889, it was made using a nonstandard temperature screen
Quoting 765. nymore:
Start with the first word. I knew ND grows lots of beets but I did not know Dr Dre made beats there. Hold on let me check on that Dr Dre part again.
It's like a sore thumb
Its a Chinook day today.

Current local temperature is +44F.

Happy change from the polar vortex ie -40F.

Temperature swing of about 80F since the vortex.

No parka - happy day, happy day, happy day ...
Well have a good day all, I need to make sure the generators are good to go in case we lose power at the house in the upcoming blizzard.
Good catch Neo... I was wondering how long. Too bad it doesn't fix quotes
774. VR46L
Interesting read IMO from the Guardian

Why is Australia so hot right now?
Quoting 774. VR46L:
Interesting read IMO from the Guardian

Why is Australia so hot right now?


I'm going to say because its near the equator?
Quoting Neapolitan:
I didn't feel I needed to boldface the sentence you took out of context, as it had already just starred in its own comment, and I repeated it in mine.

Readers should always be careful to avoid The truth, the whole truth...


I see what you mean….

:):))
I see what you mean….


i'm glad you do :-)
778. VR46L
Quoting 775. ncstorm:


I'm going to say because its near the equator?


Nope From what I understand , its because a Tropical low is sucking the Vapour from everywhere else in OZ



94S looks impressive this morning.

95S hanging on as it crosses land.



Quoting 775. ncstorm:


I'm going to say because its near the equator?
Melbourne, Australia--the target of today's heat--sits at 37.5 degrees South. That puts it roughly as close to the Equator as San Francisco.

Care to guess again? ;-)

FWIW, while the cyclone may be pumping arm, dry air across the nation leading to today's heat, Australia has just experienced its warmest year ever. And that is most definitely not because of a single January cyclone. The truth is, Oz is becoming warmer. Period.
Quoting 781. Neapolitan:
Melbourne, Australia--the target of today's heat--sits at 37.5 degrees South. That puts it roughly as close to the Equator as San Francisco.

Care to guess again? ;-)

FWIW, while the cyclone may be pumping arm, dry air across the nation leading to today's heat, Australia has just experienced its warmest year ever. And that is most definitely not because of a single January cyclone. The truth is, Oz is becoming warmer. Period.


Surely, you must consider this low a factor in this. That dry air is really seeping in, considering the fact that that low has been there for quite a long time now..
783. VR46L
Quoting 781. Neapolitan:
Melbourne, Australia--the target of today's heat--sits at 37.5 degrees South. That puts it roughly as close to the Equator as San Francisco.

Care to guess again? ;-)

FWIW, while the cyclone may be pumping arm, dry air across the nation leading to today's heat, Australia has just experienced its warmest year ever. And that is most definitely not because of a single January cyclone. The truth is, Oz is becoming warmer. Period.


Did you even read the article ?
784. VR46L
Quoting 779. Torito:
94S looks impressive this morning.



It would be a TS in the Atlantic .... by the look of it!
Quoting 781. Neapolitan:
Melbourne, Australia--the target of today's heat--sits at 37.5 degrees South. That puts it roughly as close to the Equator as San Francisco.

Care to guess again? ;-)

FWIW, while the cyclone may be pumping arm, dry air across the nation leading to today's heat, Australia has just experienced its warmest year ever. And that is most definitely not because of a single January cyclone. The truth is, Oz is becoming warmer. Period.


well if its the cyclone this year..then what was the reason last year??
Cold front almost down to Panama?





No wonder muy freo Friday morning South Florida


Quoting 766. jpsb:



More on the most important study of the year.


Pine Island Glacier melting is more vulnerable to climatic variations caused by La Nia events than previously assumed, a new study reported.


The present study was conducted by researchers at British Antarctic Survey along with their colleagues at University of Washington and other institutions. The team found that the melting of the ice-shelf decreased by 50 percent between the years 2010 and 2012.


http://www.natureworldnews.com/articles/5509/2014 0103/antarcticas-pine-island-glacier-vulnerable-la -nina-events-researchers-find.htm
I suppose "most important" is subjective; I found this article--from the same source 10 days later--to be pretty important, too:

Rapid Thinning of Antarctica's Pine Island Glacier May be Irreversible

"Spanning more than 160,000 square kilometers, the PIG, as the ice mass is known, is the largest single contributor to sea-level rise in Antarctica, contributing 25 percent of the total ice loss from West Antarctica, according to the new study published in the journal Nature Climate Change.

The report states that melting has become so excessive, the glacier has most likely "reached a point of no return," the British Antarctic Survey (BAS) wrote in a statement, noting that the amount of melting sea ice is likely to increase during the next two decades."
Quoting 781. Neapolitan:
Melbourne, Australia--the target of today's heat--sits at 37.5 degrees South. That puts it roughly as close to the Equator as San Francisco.

Care to guess again? ;-)

FWIW, while the cyclone may be pumping arm, dry air across the nation leading to today's heat, Australia has just experienced its warmest year ever. And that is most definitely not because of a single January cyclone. The truth is, Oz is becoming warmer. Period.


so australia is the same distance to the equator as San Francisco..I think my science teacher would disagree with you..



I know why California is having a drought..its near the equator..
790. wxmod
BeijingAir ‏@BeijingAir 1m

01-16-2014 00:00; PM2.5; 569.0; 545; Beyond Index (at 24-hour exposure at this level)


BeijingAir ‏@BeijingAir 1h

01-15-2014 23:00; PM2.5; 567.0; 544; Beyond Index (at 24-hour exposure at this level)


BeijingAir ‏@BeijingAir 2h

01-15-2014 22:00; PM2.5; 539.0; 525; Beyond Index (at 24-hour exposure at this level)


BeijingAir ‏@BeijingAir 3h

01-15-2014 21:00; PM2.5; 513.0; 508; Beyond Index (at 24-hour exposure at this level)


BeijingAir ‏@BeijingAir 4h

01-15-2014 20:00; PM2.5; 489.0; 492; Hazardous (at 24-hour exposure at this level)
Quoting 789. ncstorm:
I know why California is having a drought..its near the equator..



No it's not and that's not why CA is haveing a drought it's due two the jet being way up N keeping the storms a way
Quoting 788. ncstorm:


so australia is the same distance to the equator as San Francisco..I think my science teacher would disagree with you..

No, not "Australia"; I specifically said "Melbourne", which is where today's and tomorrow's worst heat is.

Melbourne's latitude: -37.813611

San Francisco's latitude: 37.783333

FYI.
793. VR46L
Quoting 788. ncstorm:


so australia is the same distance to the equator as San Francisco..I think my science teacher would disagree with you..





NC , I hate to say this but he is right about where Melbourne is !

But I don't think he read the article .....
Quoting 788. ncstorm:


so australia is the same distance to the equator as San Francisco..I think my science teacher would disagree with you..





Well... Comparing a small city with a continent doesn't seem reasonable.... The distance on the continent could be measured from anywhere there.... as in you could measure north Australia at 25 degrees south of equator, while the city would be near 40 degrees north of the equator. Interesting concept, indeed.

However, it appears he is talking about Melbourne.
1 month compare dec 15 to jan15 sea ice melt


Quoting 793. VR46L:


NC , I hate to say this but he is right about where Melbourne is !

But I don't think he read the article .....


You ask why Australia was hot..I said its near the equator..

He then quotes me about Melbourne..the country of Australia is near the equator..
Quoting 791. Tazmanian:



No it's not and that's not why CA is haveing a drought it's due two the jet being way up N keeping the storms a way


Taz, I think you are about right with that one. We need a really strong El Niño.
Quoting 792. Neapolitan:
No, not "Australia"; I specifically said "Melbourne", which is where today's and tomorrow's worst heat is.

Melbourne's latitude: -37.813611

San Francisco's latitude: 37.783333

FYI.


and I specifically said Australia..
Mapping San Francisco from its location to 0 degrees returns about 2550 miles.

Melborne to 0 degrees returns 2480 miles.

Close enough.

Link
800. VR46L
Quoting 796. ncstorm:


You ask why Australia was hot..I said its near the equator..

He then quotes me about Melbourne..the country of Australia is near the equator..


That is true too ,

But the article that I posted in why OZ was hot explained that it was to do with a Tropical low ... which he has decided to try and debunk even though its from the Guardian and now distract from it !
Quoting 800. VR46L:


That is true too ,

But the article that I posted in why OZ was hot explained that it was to do with a Tropical low ... which he has decided to try and debunk even though its from the Guardian and now distract from it !


LOL..I get it..truthfully I didnt even look at the article..I was just responding to your question..I have sidetrack the discussion from the article itself..my apologies..
802. wxmod
China air quality, or lack thereof, is off the charts again.

Quoting 799. Torito:
Mapping San Francisco from its location to 0 degrees returns about 2550 miles.

Melborne to 0 degrees returns 2480 miles.

Close enough.

Link


you can now collect your cookie..
Quoting 803. ncstorm:


you can now collect your cookie..


What kind?

Chocolate chip?

Why is Australia hot? Could summer have anything to do with it?

I'm a big fan of the Weather Channel, but I see DirectTV's point of view. The Weather Channel is owned by NBC, which is owned by Comcast. Comcast regularly ridicules DirectTV subscribers as Dish Heads in their incessant commercials.

Why would DirectTV pay a competitor for its service? Perhaps to fund additional "dish head" ads?

The onslaught of screen crawls and anchors reaching out to the DirectTV subscribers, along with Jeff's blog post, are unbecoming to the Weather Channel. It's a commercial decision and has nothing to do with the weather. It's about money and the crocodile tears for the dish heads' safety are, in my humble opinion, disingenuous.
Quoting 796. ncstorm:


You ask why Australia was hot..I said its near the equator..

He then quotes me about Melbourne..the country of Australia is near the equator..

Australia is "near the equator" in the same way that the region of North America from San Francisco to the southern tip of Mexico is "near the equator." You are talking about so many different regimes that it means very little.

And this isn't about proximity to the equator, either. We are talking about anomalies, which makes the proximity to the equator rather moot. Today, some of the highest anomalies are in southern Australia, further mooting your point.
Quoting 804. Torito:


What kind?

Chocolate chip?



any preference you like..you earned it..:)
Quoting 805. WPBHurricane05:
Why is Australia hot? Could summer have anything to do with it?



stop being logical..
Quoting 756. beell:


The full blog entry is linked. Open acceptance of the quoted snippet (which you forgot to include in the emphasis-added) is an important first step towards development of policy.
Some folks are ready to move on from making the case for Global Warming to working on policy development. Seems Dr. Rood is. Guess some are not. Or, to give the benefit of the doubt, maybe they are just "monitoring" to be sure the "correct" and latest symptoms of Climate Change are out for all to see, and they only seem to emulate that snaky, green area in the graphic at 761.

Far as I can tell, policy development is what's needed. Denial of the need for energy supply and bashing energy companies will not help the world move in that direction.
Quoting 805. WPBHurricane05:
Why is Australia hot? Could summer have anything to do with it?


Interestingly enough, summers have occurred in previous years included in the climate record of Australia. So when computing anomalies against a baseline period of record, this summer is getting compared against previous summers. So no, the answer isn't "summer," either.
813. VR46L
Quoting 811. ScottLincoln:

Interestingly enough, summers have occurred in previous years included in the climate record of Australia. So when computing anomalies against a baseline period of record, this summer is getting compared against previous summers. So no, the answer isn't "summer," either.


Quoting 787. Neapolitan:
I suppose "most important" is subjective; I found this article--from the same source 10 days later--to be pretty important, too:

Rapid Thinning of Antarctica's Pine Island Glacier May be Irreversible

"Spanning more than 160,000 square kilometers, the PIG, as the ice mass is known, is the largest single contributor to sea-level rise in Antarctica, contributing 25 percent of the total ice loss from West Antarctica, according to the new study published in the journal Nature Climate Change.

The report states that melting has become so excessive, the glacier has most likely "reached a point of no return," the British Antarctic Survey (BAS) wrote in a statement, noting that the amount of melting sea ice is likely to increase during the next two decades."
Pat posted yesterday that an ice shelf that took over 12,000 years to form disintegrated in five weeks...Geez.
Long way out, but interesting.
JeffMasters has created a new entry.
Quoting 797. luvtogolf:


Taz, I think you are about right with that one. We need a really strong El Niño.



We sure do But we wnt get one this year
hydrus, is that sea-ice or land-ice?
the icemelt could lead to larger than normal swells this summer for latin and north america the storms wont be over ice this upcoming season a good summer
820. beell
Quoting 776. pottery:


I see what you mean%u2026.

:):))


The hole truth...gets freudian
:)
821. beell
Quoting 810. Barefootontherocks:


'Da Nile, lol.
There is no question that what happened is unfortunate. It seems to me that neither TWC or DTV are saints. TWC has really gone downhill since NBC bought them out. I think this is due to corporate and Wall Steet greed. I hear that employee morale at TWC is very low and turnover high. Again, greed rules.
All in all, I think both sides need to think about things other than their shareholders and profits. The consumer is the ultimate victim and this is not new!
823. skipl
I was at one time a great fan of the Weather Channel - loved the format and the information presented. When did it go south? I can't say, but watching WeatherNation for one day and I am content; no bad shows like "Weather from Hell" or "Prospectors" or "Freaks of Nature" (it wasn't about weather) double and triple showings of "Coast Guard". The guy staring at the camera from being packed in a bunch of ice - how is that weather... i am grieving that TWC jumped the shark long ago. Long live WeatherNation.
i find the whole direct tv/weather channel thing entertaining. didn't know that nbc owned the weather channel or Comcast. it explains al roker. if you look at the numbers and the big picture direct tv should fade at some point. hopefully the people running the show at TWC are making sure the their employees are happy and treated well. my 2 cents...

its not that I don't like directtv its that those little satellites they mount on the house will become obsolete.that makes 4 cents...


I am a longtime Direct TV subscriber (& WU subscriber since 2008) &
miss TWC; having said that, I don't miss the silly reality shows-Coast Guard
& various others, over & over & over & over.....I completely stopped watching it in the AM due to Al Roaker (REALLY???). If I
wanted to watch him, I'd watch the Today Show.  NOT

 

During a storm event, I will miss Jim C
& Stephanie A but the station was beginning to fade as I knew it would when
I found out NBC bought them & WU. They push their agendas & took a
great channel & made it just like all their other programming.  

 

An earlier post mentioned some have grown weary of the global warming argument
& I am one of those; enough already, we get it.

After being a DISH customer for over 18 years, I think I may have found a reason to switch to DirecTV. I loathe the Weather Channel. If DirecTV picks up a channel that actually carries weather, 24/7, I'll switch that same day.
Same here, complete agreement about the turn to programming for morons on TWC. I admit I miss the pre-NBC TWC. Their reality shows with the fake drama are offensive to intellectual people.

Also, Al Roaker should only be on the Today show, has no business on TWC.

I was not aware that TWC bought Wunderground. Sorry, but I predict a sad future for WU. Here's how business works - the big company did not buy the small company to leave them alone, and their culture untouched. TWC bought WU to assimilate into TWC's culture. It's just a matter of time....

Quoting 825. SamTeam:


I am a longtime Direct TV subscriber (& WU subscriber since 2008) &
miss TWC; having said that, I don't miss the silly reality shows-Coast Guard
& various others, over & over & over & over.....I completely stopped watching it in the AM due to Al Roaker (REALLY???). If I
wanted to watch him, I'd watch the Today Show.  NOT

 

During a storm event, I will miss Jim C
& Stephanie A but the station was beginning to fade as I knew it would when
I found out NBC bought them & WU. They push their agendas & took a
great channel & made it just like all their other programming.  

 

An earlier post mentioned some have grown weary of the global warming argument
& I am one of those; enough already, we get it.