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Colombia rainy season floods kill 136

By: Dr. Jeff Masters, 2:01 PM GMT on November 22, 2010

Colombia is experiencing its worst rainy season in at least 30 years, with at least 136 deaths over the past few months and 1.3 million people affected by flooding. Heavy rains in the capital of Bogota on Wednesday brought the Bogota River to its highest level in 30 years, and more rain is in the forecast--the latest forecast from the GFS model (Figure 2)--calls for an additional 3 - 6 inches (75 - 150 mm) in the Bogota region over the coming week.


Figure 1. Satellite-observed rainfall over Colombia during the past two weeks shows a region of 300 - 400 mm (12 - 16 inches) has fallen near Bogota. Image credit: Navy Research Lab, Monterey.

Colombia's rainy season usually peaks in October, then gradually wanes in November and December. The heavy rains are due to the presence of the Intertropical Convergence Zone, the area encircling the earth near the equator where winds originating in the northern and southern hemispheres come together. When these great wind belts come together (or "converge", thus the name "Convergence Zone"), the converging air is forced upwards, since it has nowhere else to go. The rising air fuels strong thunderstorm updrafts, creating a band of very heavy storms capable of causing heavy flooding rains. This year is a La Niña year, which means there is a large region of colder than average water off the Pacific coast of Colombia. Colder than average water off the Pacific coast enhances rainfall over Colombia, and this year's moderate-strength La Niña is largely to blame for Colombia's deadly rainy season.


Figure 2. Rainfall forecast from the GFS model predicts that Bogota may see another 75 - 150 mm (3 - 6 inches) during the coming week. Image credit: NOAA/CPC.

I'll have a new post on Tuesday.

Jeff Masters

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Reader Comments

Thanks Doc! Their where was also flooding in Chile a couple of weeks back which is fairly unsual considering a moderate La Nina. Also the ITCZ is still located over the north coast of South America so yes Columba can expect much of the same over the next several days.
Morning Dr. Masters. And thanks, glad to see you are still around too!.

And by the way tornadodude, I am not quite 100 years older than you. Try 97 years. LOL
Good morning... Thx Doc.
Quoting Grothar:
Morning Dr. Masters. And thanks, glad to see you are still around too!.

And by the way tornadodude, I am not quite 100 years older than you. Try 97 years. LOL


At 97 you might as well be a 100! LOL! J/K
Quoting Grothar:
Morning Dr. Masters. And thanks, glad to see you are still around too!.

And by the way tornadodude, I am not quite 100 years older than you. Try 97 years. LOL


hahaha close enough (;

thanks Jeff!
Quoting Jeff9641:


At 97 you might as well be a 100! LOL! J/K


That's why I don't understand when the bloggers argue about old weather statistics. I told them all they have to do is ask me, I was there for most of it. LOL
The Arctic blast predicted for southern Florida appears to be on the way; after several days early this weeks with highs in the mid 80s and lows in the mid 60s, nighttime temps are expected to plummet all the way down to the low 60s by the weekend, while daytime highs will only manage to climb into the low 80s. Looks like I'll be busy over the next several days getting ready for winter here: scraping the grill, replacing the AC filter, and restocking the cooler with beer. ;-)

In the meantime, while temps are expected to cool drastically in some parts of the country later this week, right now they're pretty stable. In the past 24 hours, just one high temperature record has been set in the CONUS, and no low temp records have been. This is a change from the past week as a whole, where 212 record high or high minimums have been set versus 53 record lows or low maximums.
Quoting Grothar:


That's why I don't understand when the bloggers argue about old weather statistics. I told them all they have to do is ask me, I was there for most of it. LOL


LOL
Quoting Grothar:
Morning Dr. Masters. And thanks, glad to see you are still around too!.

And by the way tornadodude, I am not quite 100 years older than you. Try 97 years. LOL
More like 97,000,000. Dont let him fool ya.......How is that new cherry flavored Geritol treatin ya...:)


Special Weather Statement

SPECIAL WEATHER STATEMENT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE CHICAGO/ROMEOVILLE IL
840 AM CST MON NOV 22 2010

ILZ013-014-021>023-032-033-039-INZ001-002-010-221515-
COOK IL-DUPAGE IL-FORD IL-GRUNDY IL-IROQUOIS IL-KANKAKEE IL-LAKE IN-
LIVINGSTON IL-NEWTON IN-PORTER IN-WILL IL- 840 AM CST MON NOV 22 2010

...SPECIAL WEATHER STATEMENT...

AT 838 AM CST...NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DOPPLER RADAR INDICATED
STRONG THUNDERSTORMS ALONG A LINE EXTENDING FROM NAVY PIER TO PARK
FOREST TO BOURBONNAIS...MOVING EAST AT 45 MPH.

ASSOCIATED WITH THIS BROKEN LINE OF THUNDERSTORMS WILL BE UP TO ONE
HALF INCH DIAMETER HAIL...WINDS GUSTS AT TIMES GREATER THAN 40
MPH...OCCASIONAL CLOUD TO GROUND LIGHTNING...BRIEF HEAVY
DOWNPOURS...ARE POSSIBLE WITH THESE STORMS.

LOCATIONS IMPACTED INCLUDE...
SOUTH CHICAGO... SAUK VILLAGE... MANTENO...
LYNWOOD... LANSING... FORD HEIGHTS...
CRETE... CHEBANSE... CALUMET CITY...
BURNHAM... BOURBONNAIS... KANKAKEE...
BRADLEY... BEECHER... WHITING...

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

GUSTY WINDS MAY CAUSE SMALL OBJECTS SUCH AS TRASH BINS TO BLOW
AROUND. STAY AWAY FROM HIGH OBJECTS OUTDOORS SUCH AS TREES. HEAVY
RAINFALL CAN LEAD TO FLOODING OF LOW LYING AREAS SUCH AS DITCHES...
VIADUCTS...UNDERPASSES...CREEKS AND DRAINAGE AREAS. SEEK SHELTER IN A
STURDY STRUCTURE UNTIL THESE STORMS HAVE PASSED.

LAT...LON 4146 8709 4100 8748 4096 8813 4100 8813
4100 8825 4096 8825 4102 8851 4152 8808
4208 8793 4198 8765 4196 8763 4185 8761
4172 8752 4168 8746 4168 8742 4166 8743
4164 8740 4163 8726 4167 8706

$$

BEACHLER







On this day in weather history...

1992 -- At 6 pm an F1 tornado touched down in Jay County. Thirteen tornadoes moved across Indiana this day.


NWS
Quoting hydrus:
More like 97,000,000. Dont let him fool ya.......How is that new cherry flavored Geritol treatin ya...:)


Boy, 10:02 and the insults start flying. LOL. How you doing hydrus? Don't know about the flavor of Geritol. Can't tell through and IV.
Quoting Neapolitan:
The Arctic blast predicted for southern Florida appears to be on the way; after several days early this weeks with highs in the mid 80s and lows in the mid 60s, nighttime temps are expected to plummet all the way down to the low 60s by the weekend, while daytime highs will only manage to climb into the low 80s. Looks like I'll be busy over the next several days getting ready for winter here: scraping the grill, replacing the AC filter, and restocking the cooler with beer. ;-)

In the meantime, while temps are expected to cool drastically in some parts of the country later this week, right now they're pretty stable. In the past 24 hours, just one high temperature record has been set in the CONUS, and no low temp records have been. This is a change from the past week as a whole, where 212 record high or high minimums have been set versus 53 record lows or low maximums.


I would make a bet, that if you really tried hard, you could be very sarcastic! LOL Morning to you Nea!!
Quoting Neapolitan:
The Arctic blast predicted for southern Florida appears to be on the way; after several days early this weeks with highs in the mid 80s and lows in the mid 60s, nighttime temps are expected to plummet all the way down to the low 60s by the weekend, while daytime highs will only manage to climb into the low 80s. Looks like I'll be busy over the next several days getting ready for winter here: scraping the grill, replacing the AC filter, and restocking the cooler with beer. ;-)

In the meantime, while temps are expected to cool drastically in some parts of the country later this week, right now they're pretty stable. In the past 24 hours, just one high temperature record has been set in the CONUS, and no low temp records have been. This is a change from the past week as a whole, where 212 record high or high minimums have been set versus 53 record lows or low maximums.


Yeah I'll be laying on the beach Friday catiching up on my tan while drinking a cold Corona.
Quoting tornadodude:
On this day in weather history...

1992 -- At 6 pm an F1 tornado touched down in Jay County. Thirteen tornadoes moved across Indiana this day.


NWS


For you TD.



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Quoting Jeff9641:


Yeah I'll be laying on the beach Friday catiching up on my tan while drinking a cold Corona.


highs today of 70 here, on friday, 39 :p
Quoting Grothar:


For you TD.



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you remember all these like yesterday, right? (;

LOL
Quoting tornadodude:


you remember all these like yesterday, right? (;

LOL


Believe it or not, I do remember a lot of them. It is just "yesterday" I can't remember. (You twit) LOL
"1985 On this day in history microsoft signed an agreement with Apple, allowing Microsoft to copy visual characteristics of Apple's Macintosh in its Microsoft Windows software. "

interesting lol
Quoting Grothar:


Believe it or not, I do remember a lot of them. It is just "yesterday" I can't remember. (You twit) LOL


haha better to be a twit than a twa.... yeah :P
21. DVG
I am not trying to pick a fight, but when I state that GW is more political than science, I felt I'd illustrate my point.

From IBD...

Ottmar Edenhofer, a German economist and co-chair of the U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change's (IPCC) Working Group III on Mitigation of Climate Change (say that twice), told the Neue Zurcher Zeitung last week: "The climate summit in Cancun at the end of the month is not a climate conference, but one of the largest economic conferences since the Second World War." After all, redistributing global wealth is no small matter.

Edenhofer let the environmental cat out of the bag when he said "climate policy is redistributing the world's wealth" and that "it's a big mistake to discuss climate policy separately from the major themes of globalization."

In his IPCC post, Edenhofer was a lead author of the IPCC's Fourth Assessment Report in 2007. Based on anecdotal evidence, it contained unsubstantiated claims that the Himalayan glaciers would soon disappear and Bangladesh would be totally submerged.

Edenhofer claims "developed countries have basically expropriated the atmosphere of the world community" and so they must have their wealth expropriated and redistributed to the victims of their alleged crimes, the postage stamp countries of the world. He admits this "has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole."

Quoting tornadodude:


highs today of 70 here, on friday, 39 :p


Enjoy it because the bottom will fall out up north and stay that way for awhile.
Quoting tornadodude:


haha better to be a twit than a tw.... yeah :P


I do miss those Sunday mornings with the old gang from last year. We had some good laughs in the off season. (BTW that was implied) LOL
thanks for the update
Quoting Grothar:


Boy, 10:02 and the insults start flying. LOL. How you doing hydrus? Don't know about the flavor of Geritol. Can't tell through and IV.
This looks rather nasty.. Severe weather possible in about a week..
Quoting Grothar:


That's why I don't understand when the bloggers argue about old weather statistics. I told them all they have to do is ask me, I was there for most of it. LOL


I will next time! LOL! Take care brother.
Quoting Jeff9641:


Enjoy it because the bottom will fall out up north and stay that way for awhile.


yeah :// brrr

Quoting Grothar:


I do miss those Sunday mornings with the old gang from last year. We had some good laughs in the off season. (BTW that was implied) LOL


LOL yeah good times for sure

so will this new wave of cold air make it to locations that are 50% below sea level?
Quoting DVG:
I am not trying to pick a fight, but when I state that GW is more political than science, I felt I'd illustrate my point.

From IBD...

Ottmar Edenhofer, a German economist and co-chair of the U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change's (IPCC) Working Group III on Mitigation of Climate Change (say that twice), told the Neue Zurcher Zeitung last week: "The climate summit in Cancun at the end of the month is not a climate conference, but one of the largest economic conferences since the Second World War." After all, redistributing global wealth is no small matter.

Edenhofer let the environmental cat out of the bag when he said "climate policy is redistributing the world's wealth" and that "it's a big mistake to discuss climate policy separately from the major themes of globalization."

In his IPCC post, Edenhofer was a lead author of the IPCC's Fourth Assessment Report in 2007. Based on anecdotal evidence, it contained unsubstantiated claims that the Himalayan glaciers would soon disappear and Bangladesh would be totally submerged.

Edenhofer claims "developed countries have basically expropriated the atmosphere of the world community" and so they must have their wealth expropriated and redistributed to the victims of their alleged crimes, the postage stamp countries of the world. He admits this "has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole."



Thought you might be interested in his article before Copenhagen. He is a very nice gentleman by the way.

Link
Quoting DVG:
I am not trying to pick a fight, but when I state that GW is more political than science, I felt I'd illustrate my point.

From IBD...

Ottmar Edenhofer, a German economist and co-chair of the U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change's (IPCC) Working Group III on Mitigation of Climate Change (say that twice), told the Neue Zurcher Zeitung last week: "The climate summit in Cancun at the end of the month is not a climate conference, but one of the largest economic conferences since the Second World War." After all, redistributing global wealth is no small matter.

Edenhofer let the environmental cat out of the bag when he said "climate policy is redistributing the world's wealth" and that "it's a big mistake to discuss climate policy separately from the major themes of globalization."

In his IPCC post, Edenhofer was a lead author of the IPCC's Fourth Assessment Report in 2007. Based on anecdotal evidence, it contained unsubstantiated claims that the Himalayan glaciers would soon disappear and Bangladesh would be totally submerged.

Edenhofer claims "developed countries have basically expropriated the atmosphere of the world community" and so they must have their wealth expropriated and redistributed to the victims of their alleged crimes, the postage stamp countries of the world. He admits this "has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole."

So what is your point? That there are politics involved in the GW issue? That is not news. That you found a snippit of news to support your views? Congratulations. Turns out there is lots of good SCIENCE on this subject. Debating the science of global warming is painful enough. The politics of global warming reaches an almost lethal level of stupidity.
This article was a hoax. The professor would never have made such a statement. Not trying to start an argument either. But it is always good to check your sources.

Link
Quoting hydrus:
This looks rather nasty.. Severe weather possible in about a week..


yeah GFS is finally waking up and showing what the EURO and all other models have been showing for days and that is a highly amplified jet setting up next week. I keep telling Keeper and others the this so called Artic Blast would not make it to FL and that the pattern next week could be dangerous as the cold and warm clash with a 120knt jet aloft to add shear.
As the anticipated Artic Blast arrives to C FL on Sunday I will be at the beach as highs will plummet from 85 to 78.
I offer this for consideration...

Hefty physicist: Global warming is 'pseudoscientific fraud'
'Academia corrupted' by flow of green greenbacks

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Quoting Jeff9641:
As the anticipated Artic Blast arrives to C FL on Sunday I will be at the beach as highs will plummet from 85 to 78.
bite me.....;^)

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE POCATELLO ID
243 AM MST MON NOV 22 2010

.SHORT TERM...TODAY THROUGH WED NIGHT. DOOZY OF A STORM COMING
AFTER A BRIEF INTERLUDE THIS MORNING....THEN
A STRONGER BURST AS A SECOND LOW ARRIVES LATE MON NIGHT. WIND WILL
CONTINUE TO BE STRONG AND GUSTY...THE KIND WHICH COULD MEAN THE
DEVELOPMENT OF AREAS WITH BLIZZARD CONDITIONS.
Quoting DVG:
I am not trying to pick a fight, but when I state that GW is more political than science, I felt I'd illustrate my point.

From IBD...

Ottmar Edenhofer, a German economist and co-chair of the U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change's (IPCC) Working Group III on Mitigation of Climate Change (say that twice), told the Neue Zurcher Zeitung last week: "The climate summit in Cancun at the end of the month is not a climate conference, but one of the largest economic conferences since the Second World War." After all, redistributing global wealth is no small matter.

Edenhofer let the environmental cat out of the bag when he said "climate policy is redistributing the world's wealth" and that "it's a big mistake to discuss climate policy separately from the major themes of globalization."

In his IPCC post, Edenhofer was a lead author of the IPCC's Fourth Assessment Report in 2007. Based on anecdotal evidence, it contained unsubstantiated claims that the Himalayan glaciers would soon disappear and Bangladesh would be totally submerged.

Edenhofer claims "developed countries have basically expropriated the atmosphere of the world community" and so they must have their wealth expropriated and redistributed to the victims of their alleged crimes, the postage stamp countries of the world. He admits this "has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole."


A large part of the problem lies, I think, with folks being unable to separate the science from the politics. Yes, there are people lining up to profit from AGW mitigation--but that doesn't in any way invalidate the science behind it. An analogy: the diet and health food industry rakes in many billions of dollars each year, but that doesn't change the simple fact that eating the wrong things will make you sick and, ultimately, kill you.

Big Energy, to be sure, has done a yeoman's job confusing people on those two points, and that is--sadly-expected; fossil fuel industries stand to continue profiting greatly by quashing the science and maintaining the status quo. You may say that makes some equivalence--after all, there are people in it for the money on both sides. The major difference is, of course, that science is behind the theory of AGW, while money alone drives the non-adherents.
jeff 9641 do u think it will be in the 30 when i go 2 orlando on december 18
Quoting eddye:
jeff 9641 do u think it will be in the 30 when i go 2 orlando on december 18


Not looking good Eddy as la Nina sure seems to wanna keep FL nice and warm.
i hate this i want cold weather
Quoting eddye:
i hate this i want cold weather


Ya never know Eddy! I will say this jetstream will amplify starting next week and this could be the key to getting cold wx into FL but in order for that happen this could cause severe wx over much of SE US. The Dewpoint right now in Orlando is 68. We are in one tropical airmass now and it would take a strong system for us to see a change in the wx pattern across FL.
How can we know that man is causing climatic change? Until that is proven beyond a doubt, we should give ourselves the benefit of the doubt. I am all for using energy wisely and conservatively, and I am all for finding cleaner sources. However, until man's role in this matter is established, I am not for placating the jealous peoples of the third world by lowering our standard of living, for no reason other than "misery loves company."
updated severe weather outlook



increased tornado risk



DAY 1 CONVECTIVE OUTLOOK
NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
1007 AM CST MON NOV 22 2010

VALID 221630Z - 231200Z

...THERE IS A SLGT RISK OF SVR TSTMS THIS AFTERNOON AND EVENING
ACROSS MID MS VALLEY INTO LOWER OH VALLEY...

...MID MS VALLEY...
GIVEN THE BREAKS IN THE CLOUD COVER ACROSS THE MID MS VALLEY AHEAD
OF THE DEVELOPING SURFACE LOW NOW SERN IA AND THE COLD FRONT
ENTERING WRN MO...IT NOW APPEARS SUFFICIENT INSTABILITY WILL BE
AVAILABLE FOR SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS ACROSS MID MS VALLEY. WITH THE
S/WV TROUGH CURRENTLY MOVING NEWD FROM SD/NEB TO UPPER MS VALLEY BY
THIS EVENING...THE ASSOCIATED VERY STRONG DEEP LAYER SHEAR I.E.
500MB WIND MAX OF 90-100 AND 300MB WINDS TO 150KT ALONG WITH LARGE
SCALE ASCENT WILL SPREAD ACROSS THE WARM SECTOR E OF MS RIVER.

SINCE OBSERVED MID LEVEL LAPSE RATES ARE AROUND 7C/KM...AND WITH
SURFACE TEMPS RISING TO NEAR 70F AHEAD OF FRONT ACROSS IL...MLCAPES
WILL BE AOA 500 J/KG WITH LITTLE CINH BY MID AFTERNOON...MORE THAN
SUFFICIENT TO JUSTIFY A CONDITIONAL THREAT OF SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS
INCLUDING SUPERCELLS.

SURFACE LOW WILL MOVE NEWD ACROSS SRN/ERN WI LATER THIS AFTERNOON
AND THIS WILL ALLOW THE WARM FRONT TO SHIFT NWD POSSIBLY AS FAR AS
INTO SERN WI PRIOR TO ARRIVAL OF THE COLD FRONT. CURRENT ELEVATED
STORMS N OF WARM FRONT WILL BE FOLLOWED BY DEVELOPMENT OF SURFACE
BASED STORMS ASSOCIATED WITH FRONTAL CONVERGENCE BY MID AFTERNOON
VICINITY COLD FRONT AS IT CROSSES MS RIVER INTO IL.

PRIMARY THREAT WILL BE DAMAGING WINDS GIVEN THE STRONG SHEAR
PROFILES AND DRY MID LEVELS ENHANCING DOWNDRAFT POTENTIAL.
HOWEVER...SUPERCELLS INCLUDING TORNADO'S ARE POSSIBLE...PARTICULARLY
JUST AHEAD OF THE SURFACE LOW TRACK VICINITY THE WARM FRONT WHERE
LOW LEVEL SHEAR WILL BE ENHANCED AND THE GREATEST POTENTIAL OF ANY
DISCRETE CELLS WILL OCCUR.


BY EVENING STORMS WILL CONTINUED TO DEVELOP SWD ALONG THE COLD FRONT
INTO NRN AR AND EVENTUALLY LOWER OH/WRN TN VALLEY. EXTENT OF SEVERE
THREAT THIS FAR SOUTH STILL UNCERTAIN GIVEN THE UPPER SUPPORT MOVING
WELL TO THE NORTH AND MORE CINH TO OVER COME. HOWEVER AT LEAST SOME
THREAT OF DAMAGING WINDS WILL ACCOMPANY THE EXPECTED LINEAR
CONVECTIVE MODE THIS AREA GIVEN THE STRONG SHEAR.

..HALES/SMITH.. 11/22/2010



Just so happens im off work today, and could maybe do a little chasing if the storms form and are close enough
Quoting jb410:
How can we know that man is causing climatic change? Until that is proven beyond a doubt, we should give ourselves the benefit of the doubt. I am all for using energy wisely and conservatively, and I am all for finding cleaner sources. However, until man's role in this matter is established, I am not for placating the jealous peoples of the third world by lowering our standard of living, for no reason other than "misery loves company."
Finding alternate forms of energy does not mean a lowering of living standards. It is a smart thing to do from a climate change point of view, from a national security point of view, and developing these technologies are good for our economy. We should be a world leader in new energy technology not lagging behind.
Quoting PrivateIdaho:
Finding alternate forms of energy does not mean a lowering of living standards. It is a smart thing to do from a climate change point of view, from a national security point of view, and developing these technologies are good for our economy. We should be a world leader in new energy technology not lagging behind.


I agree completely. As long as the standard of living is maintained / improved.
The GFS has finally caught up with rest of the models which all show now little to no cooldown across the south. The front looks like it will stall across C FL and give us a much needed chance of showers/storms each day.
Quoting jb410:


I agree completely. As long as the standard of living is maintained / improved.

Your tax dollars at work.:)

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Oh good, I'm just in time for another AGW debate...yawn
How about this...

Your own private garden, under the control of Big Brother...

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Quoting jb410:
How about this...

Your own private garden, under the control of Big Brother...

Link


Your seriously worried that the goverment is going to outlaw gardening? Really?
I thin the ONLY thing interesting has been climate posts here lately.

There usually isnt dabate on GW here at all - its either facutal linked climate information or political opinion linked to amateur blogs.
jb410 id look into that before i trusted that source. Someone may be spreading disinformation to keep it form passing.
Quoting JFLORIDA:
I thin the ONLY thing interesting has been climate posts here lately.

There usually isnt dabate on GW here at all - its either facutal linked climate information or political opinion linked to amateur blogs.
Very true!
Quoting JFLORIDA:
jb410 id look into that before i trusted that source. Someone may be spreading disinformation to keep it form passing.


Admitedly, it was sent via e-mail by a friend. I will certainly double check.
If y'all are interested, here is my latest article for the Evansville Examiner, link
Quoting PrivateIdaho:


Your seriously worried that the goverment is going to outlaw gardening? Really?


I would not put anything past this government. Anything at all.


CONCERNING...SEVERE POTENTIAL...WATCH LIKELY

VALID 221650Z - 221815Z

A SEVERE THREAT WILL LIKELY DEVELOP ACROSS CNTRL/NE MO...ERN IA AND
WRN IL AS STORMS INITIATE AND INCREASE IN COVERAGE OVER THE NEXT FEW
HOURS. AN ISOLATED TORNADO THREAT...HAIL AND WIND DAMAGE WILL BE
POSSIBLE. A WW WILL LIKELY BECOME NECESSARY BY EARLY THIS AFTERNOON
ACROSS THE REGION.

THUNDERSTORMS ARE STARTING TO DEVELOP ACROSS SW AND CNTRL/NE MO IN
AN AREA OF STRONG WARM ADVECTION ALONG THE ERN EDGE OF AN AXIS OF
MOISTURE/INSTABILITY. MLCAPE VALUES ARE NOW ESTIMATED IN THE 500 TO
750 J/KG RANGE FROM NEAR JOPLIN MO NNEWD TO AROUND DAVENPORT IA.
MODERATE INSTABILITY SHOULD DEVELOP ALONG THIS AXIS THIS AFTERNOON
FOCUSING A SEVERE THREAT ACROSS CNTRL/NE MO...ERN IA AND WRN IL. THE
LATEST WSR-88D VWPS ALONG THIS CORRIDOR SHOW FAVORABLE SHEAR
PROFILES FOR SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS WITH 0-6 KM SHEAR VALUES
CALCULATED AT 50 TO 60 KT. THIS COMBINED WITH STRONG LIFT ASSOCIATED
WITH THE RIGHT ENTRANCE REGION OF THE 50 TO 60 KT MID-LEVEL JET AND
STEEP MID-LEVEL LAPSE RATES SHOULD BE SUFFICIENT FOR SEVERE STORMS.
STRONG LOW-LEVEL SHEAR PROFILES SHOULD SUPPORT AN ISOLATED TORNADO
THREAT WITH ROTATING STORMS THAT REMAIN DISCRETE. AS STORMS INCREASE
IN COVERAGE...A WIND DAMAGE THREAT SHOULD DEVELOP ACROSS THE REGION.

..BROYLES.. 11/22/2010

Quoting jb410:
How can we know that man is causing climatic change? Until that is proven beyond a doubt, we should give ourselves the benefit of the doubt. I am all for using energy wisely and conservatively, and I am all for finding cleaner sources. However, until man's role in this matter is established, I am not for placating the jealous peoples of the third world by lowering our standard of living, for no reason other than "misery loves company."

Your proposal is a set-up for failure--or even for catastrophe. By demanding that nothing be done until it's proven beyond a shadow of a doubt, you've set an impossible goal.

At any rate, who's doubt are you talking about? Most climate scientists are convinced of it, and their number is growing every day. On the other end of the spectrum, the CEO of ExxonMobil (for instance), is never going to say, "You know, I was wrong all these years; we have been screwing things up, and we need to stop." If we wait for him to be convinced beyond all doubt, we'll still be sitting here warming the globe until the North Pole is a sauna...
Quoting tornadodude:
If y'all are interested, here is my latest article for the Evansville Examiner, link


Good article, but please set me straight - are you meteorology or journalism, or a combination of the two?
Quoting jb410:


Good article, but please set me straight - are you meteorology or journalism, or a combination of the two?


Well neither at the moment, Im currently taking this year off from school and focusing on storm chasing.

I did however go to Purdue last year for meteorology and public relations
Quoting Neapolitan:

Your proposal is a set-up for failure--or even for catastrophe. By demanding that nothing be done until it's proven beyond a shadow of a doubt, you've set an impossible goal.

At any rate, who's doubt are you talking about? Most climate scientists are convinced of it, and their number is growing every day. On the other end of the spectrum, the CEO of ExxonMobil (for instance), is never going to say, "You know, I was wrong all these years; we have been screwing things up, and we need to stop." If we wait for him to be convinced beyond all doubt, we'll still be sitting here warming the globe until the North Pole is a sauna...


Your point is well taken. I was mainly reiterating the fact that much of this debate has a political agenda behind it, in addition to whatever the truth may be. I just want the debate to stand on its own merits, not on political agendas.
Quoting tornadodude:


Well neither at the moment, Im currently taking this year off from school and focusing on storm chasing.

I did however go to Purdue last year for meteorology and public relations


That seems like it would be an interesting and useful combination...
I think the first week of December could get more interesting still. The models don't seem completely resolved though.
Quoting jb410:


That seems like it would be an interesting and useful combination...


yeah, would be good for research as well as on air
There is a blog on here just for climate change. So if you want to say anything on climate change, go to it. Just click on the Climate Change category under resources and on there to the right is 2 blogs.


URGENT - IMMEDIATE BROADCAST REQUESTED
TORNADO WATCH NUMBER 744
NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
1125 AM CST MON NOV 22 2010

THE NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER HAS ISSUED A
TORNADO WATCH FOR PORTIONS OF

PARTS OF EASTERN IOWA
PARTS OF NORTHERN AND WESTERN ILLINOIS
PARTS OF NORTHEASTERN MISSOURI

EFFECTIVE THIS MONDAY MORNING AND EVENING FROM 1125 AM UNTIL 600
PM CST.

TORNADOES...HAIL TO 1.5 INCHES IN DIAMETER...THUNDERSTORM WIND
GUSTS TO 70 MPH...AND DANGEROUS LIGHTNING ARE POSSIBLE IN THESE
AREAS.

THE TORNADO WATCH AREA IS APPROXIMATELY ALONG AND 70 STATUTE
MILES EAST AND WEST OF A LINE FROM 20 MILES NORTH NORTHWEST OF
ROCKFORD ILLINOIS TO 50 MILES SOUTH OF QUINCY ILLINOIS. FOR A
COMPLETE DEPICTION OF THE WATCH SEE THE ASSOCIATED WATCH OUTLINE
UPDATE (WOUS64 KWNS WOU4).

REMEMBER...A TORNADO WATCH MEANS CONDITIONS ARE FAVORABLE FOR
TORNADOES AND SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS IN AND CLOSE TO THE WATCH
AREA. PERSONS IN THESE AREAS SHOULD BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR
THREATENING WEATHER CONDITIONS AND LISTEN FOR LATER STATEMENTS
AND POSSIBLE WARNINGS.

DISCUSSION...THUNDERSTORMS EXPECTED TO INCREASE IN NUMBER AND
INTENSITY ALONG AND AHEAD OF STRONG COLD FROM ERN IA INTO NRN MO.
AIR MASS IS NOW MODESTLY UNSTABLE AND WITH THE VERY STRONG SHEAR
PROFILES IN PLACE...SEVERE STORMS ARE EXPECTED TO DEVELOP. PRIMARY
THREAT WILL BE WIND DAMAGE...HOWEVER SUPERCELLS INCLUDING POSSIBLE
TORNADOES WILL BE POSSIBLE...PRIMARILY IN ADVANCE OF DEEPENING LOW
MOVING NEWD ACROSS ERN IA INTO WI AND EWD NEAR WARM FRONT ACROSS NRN
IL.

AVIATION...TORNADOES AND A FEW SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS WITH HAIL
SURFACE AND ALOFT TO 1.5 INCHES. EXTREME TURBULENCE AND SURFACE
WIND GUSTS TO 60 KNOTS. A FEW CUMULONIMBI WITH MAXIMUM TOPS TO
450. MEAN STORM MOTION VECTOR 23045.


Quoting mossyhead:
There is a blog on here just for climate change. So if you want to say anything on climate change, go to it. Just click on the Climate Change category under resources and on there to the right is 2 blogs.


Thanks for the tip, sheriff...
Quoting jb410:


I would not put anything past this government. Anything at all.


true - I thought we would get better than we did but its the same old grab when it comes down to civil liberties.

Having fringe groups claiming to support the Constitution pushing ridiculous agendas doesn't help either.
"Epoch" rain event for interior Alaska

The majority of Alaska is covered in freezing rain advisories, winter storm warnings, and ice storm warnings at this time. This could also potentially be the biggest winter rainfall that Fairbanks has seen in decades.

It is time to move beyond the believer and denier camps. Proving who is right is useless when who is the most effective is what is important. No thoughtful or realistic climate scientist is arguing to lower population or decrease GDP and production. No thoughtful conservative/anti-alarmist is arguing against cleaner energy, green jobs, or freedom from fossil fuel cartels.

Both sides should be fighting for those three things.

People in the climate change/denier camps are just arguing to be "right" in the court of public opinion. Do you see how useless that is? Have you noticed that decision makers don't care?

Regardless of the source, the climate is variable and that is causing stress on our infrastructure. Planning for drought and flood protection both require water storage. Water storage projects help agriculture and a growing population with their water supply demands. Both industrialists and environmentalists should be fighting FOR these kinds of projects that make our economy and environment more resilient.

There are ways to reach common goals without sinking into "I am right" camps and putting fingers in your ears.
P.S. Tornado

Nice article!
Good afternoon.
Interesting notes on the weather in Columbia re. heavy rainfall.
Flew from Panama City to Trinidad yesterday, and marvelled at the fantastic clouds we saw, all around.
I wondered why the aircraft was weaving around so much, giving a great views of incredible Anvil Clouds looming above us. We were at 30,000 ft.

Had a good view of what I think were the mountains of Merida near the Columbian border of Venezuela. Snow capped and Magnificent.
Quoting biff4ugo:
It is time to move beyond the believer and denier camps. Proving who is right is useless when who is the most effective is what is important. No thoughtful or realistic climate scientist is arguing to lower population or decrease GDP and production. No thoughtful conservative/anti-alarmist is arguing against cleaner energy, green jobs, or freedom from fossil fuel cartels.

Both sides should be fighting for those three things.

People in the climate change/denier camps are just arguing to be "right" in the court of public opinion. Do you see how useless that is? Have you noticed that decision makers don't care?

Regardless of the source, the climate is variable and that is causing stress on our infrastructure. Planning for drought and flood protection both require water storage. Water storage projects help agriculture and a growing population with their water supply demands. Both industrialists and environmentalists should be fighting FOR these kinds of projects that make our economy and environment more resilient.

There are ways to reach common goals without sinking into "I am right" camps and putting fingers in your ears.
Spot on!!! Which means, of course, that someone from both sides will be on in about 6 minutes with a short explanation of why you are entriely wrong. 5...4...3...
hey guys anyone have a long range temp forecast for the southern US and GOM and possible if there is one for the NW Caeribbean
Quoting biff4ugo:
P.S. Tornado

Nice article!


Thanks!
69 Well reading Dr Roods post much of the groundwork still needs to be done in clean energy. I don't think anyone that is actually familiar with the situation advocates turning off all the fossil fuel energy at the switch for a very long time.

Not moving at all in the right direction and collectively cleaning up where we can is the mistake we seem intent on continuing to make however with the politicking.
Quoting tornadodude:
If y'all are interested, here is my latest article for the Evansville Examiner, link


Great post T-Dude!
if anyone have an answer hold off till like 4pm I have to go to class
Quoting Jeff9641:


Great post T-Dude!


Thanks Jeff!


Severe Thunderstorm Warning

SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING
IAC057-111-ILC067-071-221830-
/O.NEW.KDVN.SV.W.0176.101122T1757Z-101122T1830Z/

BULLETIN - EAS ACTIVATION REQUESTED
SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE QUAD CITIES IA IL
1157 AM CST MON NOV 22 2010

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN THE QUAD CITIES HAS ISSUED A

* SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING FOR...
SOUTH CENTRAL DES MOINES COUNTY IN SOUTHEAST IOWA...
EAST CENTRAL LEE COUNTY IN SOUTHEAST IOWA...
NORTHWESTERN HANCOCK COUNTY IN WEST CENTRAL ILLINOIS...
SOUTHERN HENDERSON COUNTY IN WEST CENTRAL ILLINOIS...

* UNTIL 1230 PM CST.

* AT 1155 AM CST...NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DOPPLER RADAR INDICATED A
SEVERE THUNDERSTORM CAPABLE OF PRODUCING DAMAGING WINDS IN EXCESS
OF 60 MPH...AND QUARTER SIZE HAIL. THIS STORM WAS LOCATED
APPROXIMATELY NEAR MONTROSE...OR NEAR NAUVOO...AND MOVING NORTHEAST
AT 50 MPH.

* THE SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WILL BE NEAR...
NIOTA AND FORT MADISON AROUND 1205 PM CST...
COLUSA AROUND 1210 PM CST...
DALLAS CITY AROUND 1215 PM CST...
6 MILES NORTHWEST OF DISCO AROUND 1220 PM CST...
CARMAN...TERRE HAUTE...6 MILES SOUTHEAST OF GULF PORT AND 7 MILES
SOUTHEAST OF BURLINGTON AROUND 1225 PM CST...
STRONGHURST AROUND 1230 PM CST...

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

THIS IS A DANGEROUS STORM. MOVE IMMEDIATELY INDOORS AND STAY AWAY
FROM WINDOWS.

A TORNADO WATCH REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 600 PM CST MONDAY EVENING FOR
SOUTHEASTERN IOWA AND NORTHWESTERN ILLINOIS AND NORTHEAST MISSOURI.

&&

LAT...LON 4094 9112 4068 9082 4045 9137 4058 9147
TIME...MOT...LOC 1757Z 231DEG 42KT 4053 9136
WIND...HAIL 60MPH 1.00IN

$$
SHEETS





Quoting tornadodude:


Well neither at the moment, Im currently taking this year off from school and focusing on storm chasing.

I did however go to Purdue last year for meteorology and public relations


You could be like Reed Timmer and sale your stormchaser photos to the media. I believe that's how he makes his money. Speaking of stormchasing it looks like you won't have to go far today. I suspect you will have more severe wx events this winter than normal due to the La Nina.
Haiti's cholera epidemic caused by weather, say scientists

scientists SciDev.Net talked to all rejected the idea that cholera was imported from Nepal. "Vibrio cholerae, the bacterium responsible for cholera, may have been dormant in water until weather-related conditions caused it to multiply enough to constitute an infective dose if ingested by humans," said
David Sack, a cholera specialist at Johns Hopkins University Bloomberg School of Public Health in the US.

Rita Colwell, a professor at the University of Maryland, also in the US, agreed that the aquatic environment conditions produced by a strong La Niña this year may have made cholera flare up in Haiti for the first time in 50 years.

Colwell's research aims to predict cholera outbreaks by correlating disease occurrence with weather patterns, water surface temperatures and algal blooms (on which plankton that house the bacteria feed). She has found that the annual patterns of higher sea temperatures along the coast correlate with patterns of cholera cases in both Bangladesh and Peru, based on data from 1992–1995 and 1997-2000, respectively.

Afsar Ali, an associate professor of environmental and global health at the University of Florida, US, agrees that climatic factors promoted the bacteria's multiplication in the Artibonite area. He told SciDev.Net that when he visited Haiti in August, refugees from the earthquake were using water directly from the river and ocean.

Since V. cholerae favour estuarine water, where the tide meets the stream, he warned at that time of the risk of a cholera epidemic.
Quoting Jeff9641:


You could be like Reed Timmer and sale your stormchaser photos to the media. I believe that's how he makes his money. Speaking of stormchasing it looks like you won't have to go far today. I suspect you will have more severe wx events this winter than normal due to the La Nina.


It's tough to sell footage with so many people out there chasing, but the northern plains and southern Canada storms have far less people chasing them (usually) so I think that is where the money is.

Idk if I will chase today, storms moving around 50mph, about 5 hours or so to my north west. might wait to see what develops further west and south west
Quoting biff4ugo:
It is time to move beyond the believer and denier camps. Proving who is right is useless when who is the most effective is what is important. No thoughtful or realistic climate scientist is arguing to lower population or decrease GDP and production. No thoughtful conservative/anti-alarmist is arguing against cleaner energy, green jobs, or freedom from fossil fuel cartels.

Both sides should be fighting for those three things.

People in the climate change/denier camps are just arguing to be "right" in the court of public opinion. Do you see how useless that is? Have you noticed that decision makers don't care?

Regardless of the source, the climate is variable and that is causing stress on our infrastructure. Planning for drought and flood protection both require water storage. Water storage projects help agriculture and a growing population with their water supply demands. Both industrialists and environmentalists should be fighting FOR these kinds of projects that make our economy and environment more resilient.

There are ways to reach common goals without sinking into "I am right" camps and putting fingers in your ears.

The problem, as has been explained so many times, is that any action taken to mitigate A/GW is almost completely dependent on "proving who is right". There are policymakers in Washington, fed by fossil fuel industries with nearly bottomless pockets, who have managed to convince millions that their non-science viewpoints are "right", and that in turn has led to a huge pushback against doing anything at all. Knowing that, it's not nearly enough to say "proving who is right is useless"; until/unless science is given due credit by the public, we'll continue to keep jamming the atmosphere with greenhouse gases, period. Yes, each of us should do what we can to effect change, but not all of us are capable of creating alternate sources of energy or inventing green tech, so leaders need to emerge and be granted credibility, not ridicule.
ExxonMobil CEO has been saying since 2006 that CO2 emissions is causing climate change & we should be clanging policies to reduce greenhouse emissions.

That year they started pulling away from the company that put out all the info smoking wasn't bad for you. They had spent like $2 million with them the previous year. The next year..

In its 2007 Corporate Citizenship Report, [Exxon] stated: "In 2008 we will discontinue contributions to several public policy groups whose position on climate change could divert attention from the important discussion on how the world will secure energy required for economic growth in an environmentally responsible manner."

Exxon also gave reassurances last year that it had no funding links with the sceptics' biggest annual conference, the International Conference on Climate Change. But a list published by Exxon this month of its "2009 worldwide contributions and investments" revealed that it had given four cosponsors of the New York event a total of $275,000. It also gave $1 million to 20 other sceptic groups.
need to keep an eye on these cells



I was off by 17 minutes...
One issue in the climate debate that seems to take a back seat in the discussion is the problem with any political agreement to limit air contaminants. The Kyoto Accord restricted developed countries like the US and Europe while allowing China, India (2 of the 3 biggest polluters), and other undeveloped countries to increase their already overwhelming pollution up to 20 percent. Huh??? Developed countries must destroy their economies trying to meet Kyoto standards while China and India can pollute to their hearts content. This does not make sense.

The rules MUST apply to everyone, or they will apply to no one. Any accord that does not adhere to this principle is doomed to failure. Just mho.
Quoting Motoko:
One issue in the climate debate that seems to take a back seat in the discussion is the problem with any political agreement to limit air contaminants. The Kyoto Accord restricted developed countries like the US and Europe while allowing China, India (2 of the 3 biggest polluters), and other undeveloped countries to increase their already overwhelming pollution up to 20 percent. Huh??? Developed countries must destroy their economies trying to meet Kyoto standards while China and India can pollute to their hearts content. This does not make sense.

The rules MUST apply to everyone, or they will apply to no one. Any accord that does not adhere to this principle is doomed to failure. Just mho.

Good post.
Unfortunately, many "developed" countries desperately need India, China etc., to become wealthy so that their cash flows into the "Developed" countries, who presently have the monopoly on most goods and services required by the "developing" ones.

It's an Economic issue, along with issues of Polutants of all types.

To prevent India and China from developing their consumer markets will deal the final card to the economies of the First World which are dependent on the developing economies for their future sales.

It's a conundrum....
China was late in accepting it and the US was given the option of going back to higher emissions even though our manufacturing was shrinking and becoming cleaner.

Still we are in a worse position now down the road because nothing was done. China after dragging their heels on regulation pumped VAST amounts of money and HUGE subsidies into green technology production while the oil companies and the like were able to keep people arguing here by fooling them into thinking the science was flawed.

We really missed an opportunity to get in on the ground floor so to speak as our climate science was some of the most advanced int he world.
Quoting JFLORIDA:
China was lat in accepting it and the US was given the option of going back to higher emissions even though our manufacturing was shrinking and becoming cleaner.

Still we are in a worse position now down the road because nothing was done. China after dragging their heels on regulation pumped VAST amounts of money and HUGE subsidies into green technology production while the oil companies and the like were able to keep people arguing here by fooling them into thinking the science was flawed.

We really missed an opportunity to get in on the ground floor so to speak as our climate science was some of the most advanced int he world.

Good post!
See the recent article Mercury Elevated in Fish and Waters Throughout Indiana? Mercury falling in the rain at too high a levels, mainly from emissions from coal burning power plants. US tax payers pay roughly $1.4 billion a year for coal subsidies. We are doing this to Appalachia to poison our fish, ourselves..even though the majority of Americans would rather end mountaintop removal.
it should be warmer than average overall this winter in the south and it would keep gulf warmer too. mayby a shot of chill here and there but nothing like a year ago.
Quoting Skyepony:
See the recent article Mercury Elevated in Fish and Waters Throughout Indiana? Mercury falling in the rain at too high a levels, mainly from emissions from coal burning power plants. US tax payers pay roughly $1.4 billion a year for coal subsidies. We are doing this to Appalachia to poison our fish, ourselves..even though the majority of Americans would rather end mountaintop removal.

Interestingly, I learned recently that the town of Esquel in the foothills of the Andes in Argentina, voted in a referendum that sought to find public approval for a Gold mine just outside the town. There is a large deposit within a large mountain there.
The mine would have effectively removed a large mountain, (visible from the town) and used Cyanide (typical in gold extraction) in large quantities.

In spite of the need for an improved economy in the area, the population voted 70% against the mine.
I donno I think with the intensifying cyclones we could see snow in fla - or at least some bitter cold anomalies in the spring - nothing long term probably,

Also some warm events in the NE and Canada.
Quoting pottery:
Good afternoon.
Interesting notes on the weather in Columbia re. heavy rainfall.
Flew from Panama City to Trinidad yesterday, and marvelled at the fantastic clouds we saw, all around.
I wondered why the aircraft was weaving around so much, giving a great views of incredible Anvil Clouds looming above us. We were at 30,000 ft.

Had a good view of what I think were the mountains of Merida near the Columbian border of Venezuela. Snow capped and Magnificent.


Were you looking for the remains of O'Halloran?
Quoting shamanTT:


Were you looking for the remains of O'Halloran?

heheheheheh
From the air, his Tombstone is visible miles off.
Large concrete and steel buildings..........
Ok, we have gone from Cold this morning...
To cute little itty bitty snow flakes....
To real snow flakes...
To WTF are those.. its a freaking Blizzard... and we seem to be stuck on that setting.
Quoting Jeff9614:
I'm thinkin we can get one more major cane to FL before the season is out!


...SIGH...
100. jb410
Quoting JFLORIDA:


true - I thought we would get better than we did but its the same old grab when it comes down to civil liberties.

Having fringe groups claiming to support the Constitution pushing ridiculous agendas doesn't help either.


Agreed...
State of emergency in flooded Colombia
By The CNN Wire Staff
November 20, 2010 -- Updated 0332 GMT (1132 HKT)



(CNN) -- Colombian President Juan Manuel Santos has declared a state of emergency in 28 of the nation's 32 departments because of heavy rains and flooding that have affected some 1.2 million people.

He called on the international community to help and said the capacity of the Colombian government is overwhelmed.

Flooding and mudslides have killed at least 136 people, injured 205 and left 20 missing, the nation's Interior and Justice Ministry reported.

Emergency officials say the heavy rain has led to problems in 561 municipalities in the South American nation.

"Many have lost everything they had and the capacity of the government [to help them] has been overwhelmed. We're trying to find ways to get more resources and that's why we're calling on the business sector, the public in general, and the international community to help us because, unfortunately, the situation is getting worse," said Santos.
Quoting jb410:


...SIGH...


I think you were getting me confused with this SOB above. Some people should check themselves before attacking and saying false things as you did last week.
103. jb410
I'm out... farewell, one and all.
GW= Gods Will


Sense of Humour... Poof gone
Quoting Orcasystems:


Sense of Humour... Poof gone


Man you are getting pummeled! How many inches of snow have you had so far?
U.S. corn ethanol "was not a good policy"-Gore Mon Nov 22, 2010 12:24pm GMT

* U.S. ethanol consumes about 40 pct corn crop
* Impact on food prices "real"

By Gerard Wynn

ATHENS, Nov 22 (Reuters) - Former U.S. vice-president Al Gore said support for corn-based ethanol in the United States was "not a good policy", weeks before tax credits are up for renewal.

U.S. blending tax breaks for ethanol make it profitable for refiners to use the fuel even when it is more expensive than gasoline. The credits are up for renewal on Dec. 31.

Total U.S. ethanol subsidies reached $7.7 billion last year according to the International Energy Industry, which said biofuels worldwide received more subsidies than any other form of renewable energy.

"It is not a good policy to have these massive subsidies for (U.S.) first generation ethanol," said Gore, speaking at a green energy business conference in Athens sponsored by Marfin Popular Bank.

"First generation ethanol I think was a mistake. The energy conversion ratios are at best very small.

"It's hard once such a programme is put in place to deal with the lobbies that keep it going."

He explained his own support for the original programme on his presidential ambitions.

"One of the reasons I made that mistake is that I paid particular attention to the farmers in my home state of Tennessee, and I had a certain fondness for the farmers in the state of Iowa because I was about to run for president."

U.S. ethanol is made by extracting sugar from corn, an energy-intensive process. The U.S. ethanol industry will consume about 41 percent of the U.S. corn crop this year, or 15 percent of the global corn crop, according to Goldman Sachs analysts.

A food-versus-fuel debate erupted in 2008, in the wake of record food prices, where the biofuel industry was criticised for helping stoke food prices.

Gore said a range of factors had contributed to that food price crisis, including drought in Australia, but said there was no doubt biofuels have an effect.

"The size, the percentage of corn particularly, which is now being (used for) first generation ethanol definitely has an impact on food prices.

"The competition with food prices is real."
Gore supported so-called second generation technologies which do not compete with food, for example cellulosic technologies which use chemicals or enzymes to extract sugar from fibre for example in wood, waste or grass.

"I do think second and third generation that don't compete with food prices will play an increasing role, certainly with aviation fuels."

Gore added did that he did not expect a U.S. clean energy or climate bill for "at least two years" following the mid-term elections which saw Republicans increase their support.

(Reporting by Gerard Wynn; editing by Keiron Henderson)

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I actually noticed this article on Fox News, but knew that if I referenced them, most on this website would immediately roll their eyes, and discount the whole of the article. So, I went out and found it on a Reuter’s site found here: Link

http://af.reuters.com/article/energyOilNews/idAFLDE6AL0YT20101122?pageNumber=2&virtualBrandChannel= 0&sp=true

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All this time, I, with many others, thought that Mr. Gore was a mission to save the planet. After all, to quote him directly, “the planet has a fever.” I must say, with these revelations, that I am shocked, saddened, and even disillusioned.

After all, if one truly believes in such a serious cause, he would endeavor to use all the tools at his disposal to raise the alarm. To make changes that will have true impacts.

But according to his own words above, he used the cause to further his own political aspirations. It would appear, after all, that Mr. Gore’s motivations may be no better than any other politicians, to further their own causes first, and whatever the fallout, so be it.

Very Respectfully,

Jon
Quoting jb410:


I would not put anything past this government. Anything at all.


There are lots of myths about this bill; I wouldn't worry about my garden. But there are some concerns mostly from small operation farmers.

Food Safety Modernization Act Summary

S. 510: A Study in How Much You Trust Government

108 I would rather see tax incentives and subsidies go to American farmers than BP though. I think gore is leaning to a more aggressive carbon policy. Beyond the neutral stance ethanol is.

Also it clearly mentions food prices.

Personally I dont think the ethanol project as a beginning was such a bad idea despite the misquotes of the far right and the hand wringing on world food prices from the far left. You really have to start somewhere and until ethanol we were not even getting out of the gate reducing foreign oil dependence and fossil fuel pollution.  IMHO.
112. DDR
I had no idea that floods were happening in Columbia.
Weather in Trinidad has been deteriorating steady all day,frequent rain storms in Eastern and southern areas.If the gfs is correct well be seeing more than 6 inches in a week.
Lets face it too - not just by unacceptable levels of pollution but physically, by limited supply,  there is no possible long term future in the certain expansion in the use of fossil fuels.

Just certain disaster eventually that will first devastate the world's poor, extend conflict, then move on up the food chain.
114. DDR
AN ACTIVE LOW LEVEL TROUGH IS AFFECTING WEATHER
CONDITIONS OVER TRINIDAD AND TOBAGO.
Trinidad and Tobago have been experiencing cloudy
conditions with intermittent heavy showers over
the last few hours. These conditions are as a
result of an active Low Level Easterly Trough



There is a 40 to 60 % chance that Northern and
Eastern Trinidad can experience longer periods of
heavy showers and thunder showers with
accompanying gusty winds in excess of 50Kmh.
There is a smaller 30 – 40% of the isolated
thundershower affecting other the rest of
Trinidad. Rain fall accumulation can be in the
vicinity of 30 - 40 mm. These conditions are
expected to last for at least the next 4-6 hours.
Street and flash flooding are possible in heavy
showers and thundershowers.
NWS of Melbourne

Looks like a Winter in the way of very little cool air this year for the FL Penisula.

THERE REMAINS DIFFS WITH HOW FAST AND HOW FAR THE FRONT SAGS THROUGH
CTRL FL. THE ECM...WHICH HAD BEEN THE SLOWER OF THE TWO MODELS...IS
NOW THE FASTER...WHILE THE GFS IS NOT ONLY SLOWER...BUT ACTUALLY
STALLS THE FRONT OUT OVER THE NRN CWA. IF THE ECM IS CORRECT...THERE
WILL BE A PERIOD OF NRLY FLOW AND DRIER AIR SLIDING INTO THE NRN 2/3
CWA SAT NGT/SUN...WHILE THE GFS PORTENDS A WEAK WIND SHIFT TO NE SUN
NGT WITH LTL IN THE WAY OF POST FRONTAL DRYING. EITHER WAY...WINDS
WL SHIFT QUICKLY TO ONSHORE LATE SUN/SUN NGT AS MID/UPR FLOW TO THE
NORTH REMAINS ZONAL. THIS TYPE OF FROPA IS VERY TYPICAL OF THOSE
SEEN DURING A MDT-STRONG COLD ENSO (LA NINA) PHASE.

S-SW FLOW AHEAD OF THE FRONT WL KEEP MAX/MIN TEMPS ABOVE CLIMO...
L/M80S MAXES AND L/M 60S MINS. GIVEN THAT POST FRONTAL CAA WILL BE
EITHER BRIEF (12-18HR IN THE 12Z ECM BEFORE VEERING TO ONSHORE) OR
NEXT TO NIL (12Z GFS) TEMPS FROM THIS WEEKEND ONWARD WILL BE EITHER
NEAR OR CONTINUE SLGTLY ABOVE CLIMO. GIVEN THE LATEST MODEL TRENDS
AND ENSO PHASE...WOULDN`T BE AT ALL SURPRISED IF TEMPS FOR SAT-MON
WIND UP BEING TWEAKED UPWARD SOME.
Quoting Jeff9614:
I cant wait to get some canes here in C-FL, man i was hoping for one this year! Fingers crossed for 2011 :)


Reported, imposter.
I didn't know that an equatorial country like Colombia had a rainy season....
Quoting JFLORIDA:
I donno I think with the intensifying cyclones we could see snow in fla - or at least some bitter cold anomalies in the spring - nothing long term probably,

Also some warm events in the NE and Canada.


FL will not see snow this year with a moderate La Nina. A few cold events yes but nothing serious and may never get a freeze in orlando this winter.
Quoting pottery:

Interestingly, I learned recently that the town of Esquel in the foothills of the Andes in Argentina, voted in a referendum that sought to find public approval for a Gold mine just outside the town. There is a large deposit within a large mountain there.
The mine would have effectively removed a large mountain, (visible from the town) and used Cyanide (typical in gold extraction) in large quantities.

In spite of the need for an improved economy in the area, the population voted 70% against the mine.


At least they had a choice..



Quoting DoverWxwatchter:
I didn't know that an equatorial country like Colombia had a rainy season....

I thought the Caribbean "dry" season was technically in the spring. Not this year of course.
Agrees with comment #116 and follows suit.
122. afj3
Quoting Jeff9641:


FL will not see snow this year with a moderate La Nina. A few cold events yes but nothing serious and may never get a freeze in orlando this winter.

Now that winter is approaching...what will winter be like for South Florida this winter? Cold and wet? Dry? Normal? La Nina means dry, right?
Wow, my favorite collection of tosspots...how is everyone today?
Quoting afj3:

Now that winter is approaching...what will winter be like for South Florida this winter? Cold and wet? Dry? Normal? La Nina means dry, right?


Dry and very warm! Now their will be a couple of cold periods but nothing like last year.
125. afj3
Quoting Jeff9641:


Dry and very warm! Now their will be a couple of cold periods but nothing like last year.

Thanks Jeff! It will be nice for the tourists this season.

Quoting Jeff9641:


FL will not see snow this year with a moderate La Nina. A few cold events yes but nothing serious and may never get a freeze in orlando this winter.
Looking at in a purely cyclic way it would seem perhaps, but i think climatically we are likely in more uncharted territory.

The 89 snow event and several events have happened during negative ENSO conditions.

Quoting JFLORIDA:

Looking at in a purely cyclic way it would seem perhaps, but i think climatically we are likely in more uncharted territory.

The 89 snow event and several events have happened during negative ENSO conditions.



WOW! I had no clue the snow event here in 1989 was a La Nina year. Thanks! I thought that was El-Nino! I remember that to this day although I was 9 I remeber waking to heavy snow infact so much that it was weighing down the palm tree limbs in my front yard.
Quoting afj3:

Now that winter is approaching...what will winter be like for South Florida this winter? Cold and wet? Dry? Normal? La Nina means dry, right?
Dry for Florida..Link
It wasn't a strong la nina of course. But it was a strong storm. I was in the forest, on leave camping for that one. It was very nice.
Quoting Floodman:
Wow, my favorite collection of tosspots...how is everyone today?
Tosspots.?. lol
Quoting Jeff9614:
I cant wait to get some canes here in C-FL, man i was hoping for one this year! Fingers crossed for 2011 :)
Are you crazy or kidding or what? Well I hope you get a Cat 5 and you get exactly what you wanted. You and your type who have never lived through a real disaster make me want to puke.
No AC, no water - no electric for days doesn't sound fun for me. Then in the storm wondering if your old house will fall down on you, or a tree will make a surprise visit to your bedroom isnt too fun either.

After 50 mph winds are just too destructive and I worry too much for it to be even interesting. IMHO
But I wouldn't mind the rain :

The 93 winter storm is still the closest to cashing in I ever felt, in a weather event.

,


Florida
F2 NW of Chiefland Levy 0438 1 mile (1.6 km) 3 deaths
F1 E of Crystal River Citrus 0438 0.5 miles (0.80 km)
F0 Treasure Island area Pinellas 0500 0.1 miles (0.16 km)
F0 New Port Richey area Pasco 0504 0.1 miles (0.16 km)
F2 Ocala area Marion 0520 15 miles (24 km)
F1 N of La Crosse Alachua 0520 0.8 miles (1.3 km) 1 death
F2 NW of Howey Height to Alamonte Springs Lake 0530 30 miles (48 km) 1 death
F0 Tampa area Hillsborough 0530 0.1 miles (0.16 km)
F1 Jacksonville area (1st tornado) Duval 0600 0.8 miles (1.3 km)
F0 Bartow area Polk 0600 0.1 miles (0.16 km)
F0 Jacksonville area (2nd tornado) Duval 0610 0.1 miles (0.16 km)


In the South, however, temperatures in the days before the storm were typical for early March. Although large fluctuations in temperature are not unusual in the deep south, many residents doubted that freezing temperatures could return so rapidly; nor that snow was likely due to the rarity of significant snowfall later than February. Many local TV news stations were reluctant to even broadcast the forecast models, due to the extreme numbers being predicted by the computers, but the models turned out to be right.
Quoting hydrus:
Dry for Florida..Link


This is for you hydrus



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Current SPC Convective Watches
You know it's Thanksgiving when Monday feels like Friday. Then so does Tuesday. We actually had a spray of humidity today in ECFL but that was about it.
141. flsky
Quoting Chicklit:
You know it's Thanksgiving when Monday feels like Friday. Then so does Tuesday. We actually had a spray of humidity today in ECFL but that was about it.

Ha! I've been thinking it's Saturday today! I've been enjoying the cool, humid conditions today in ECFL - even had a bit of misty rain.
Line of storms with possible embedded rotation, although that looks to be diminishing

108. Eagle101 8:29 PM GMT on November 22, 2010

I'm replying way late, Jon, but it has always been, and still is, all about the money/power.

Once people realize an issue is being exploited for personal gain at others expense, the issue itself becomes tainted.
I, personally, highly discount the urgency of AGW because of the hype being made by those who would profit from it.

It would appear, from here in the Bahamas, that the hurricane season is indeed over.



May I be the first to wish you a Merry Christmas from the Family...

Quoting hydrus:
Tosspots.?. lol


Agreed. Are you all conversing in ancient? lol
hey Jeff9641

when you get a chance, check out post 106, the member info at the bottom Lol
Warm and muggy here in Pcola tonight. We need another cool front. As always, I monger for snow during the winter months. Last year we had forcasts for snow more times than ever. I actually only saw flakes in the air for about two minutes, once. Best snow storm for Pensacola in my life was February of either 72 or 73. It stuck for a couple of days, had enough to build a real snowman on Pensacola NAS. About 3 inches on top of a layer of ice. That was something! I'd like to see it again someday. Have a good evening all.
On this date in 1718 Blackbeard the pirate was killed in battle.

Also, while everyone knows that JFK was assassinated on this date, it is seldom remembered that two of the intellectual giants of the 20th century, Aldous Huxley and C. S. Lewis also died on November 22, 1963.

Almost indian summer weather here, upper 60s today.
Quoting PSLFLCaneVet:


Agreed. Are you all conversing in ancient? lol
Only the Grother knows the (Pre-Aramaic)text. It is important to remind yourself that The Grother Enigma predates the formation of the universe. Therefor the first language is only known unto him. In fact, it has been hypothesized that The Grother Enigma was in existence several trillion years before the theorized big bang actually occurred.
Quoting hydrus:
Only the Grother knows the (Pre-Aramaic)text. It is important to remind yourself that The Grother Enigma predates the formation of the universe. Therefor the first language is only known unto him. In fact, it has been hypothesized that The Grother Enigma was in existence several trillion years before the theorized big bang actually occurred.


For your information, the "Big Bang" is not a theory. I saw it myself. By the way, the first language was not uttered, it was made with the hands the "fingers". As a matter of fact, I would like to show you the "first word" but afraid I might get banned. LOL
Quoting DoverWxwatchter:
On this date in 1718 Blackbeard the pirate was killed in battle.

Also, while everyone knows that JFK was assassinated on this date, it is seldom remembered that two of the intellectual giants of the 20th century, Aldous Huxley and C. S. Lewis also died on November 22, 1963.

Almost indian summer weather here, upper 60s today.


All of that was covered in Post #15. Didn't you see the link? LOL
Ya'll be nice to Gro now, he is a good guy :)


Leaking Siberian ice raises a tricky climate issue

By ARTHUR MAX, Associated Press Arthur Max, Associated Press – Mon Nov 22, 12:00 am ET

CHERSKY, Russia – The Russian scientist shuffles across the frozen lake, scuffing aside ankle-deep snow until he finds a cluster of bubbles trapped under the ice. With a cigarette lighter in one hand and a knife in the other, he lances the ice like a blister. Methane whooshes out and bursts into a thin blue flame.

Link



LMAO. I will now genuflect to my elders. Good evening.
154 -


The ground in this remote corner of the world, 6,600 kilometers (4,000
miles) east of Moscow, has warmed about 2 degrees Celsius (3.6
Fahrenheit) in the last five years, to about -5 C (23 F?) today,
says
Zimov, director of the internationally funded Northeast Science Station,
which is about three kilometers (2 miles) from town.


The warming is causing the landscape to buckle under his feet.


"I live here more than 30 years. ... There are many (dirt) roads in our
region which I used or built myself, but now I can't use anymore. Now
they look like canyons," he says.

Greetings.
It has rained copious amounts here today.
I trust that all is well?
Quoting Grothar:


For your information, the "Big Bang" is not a theory. I saw it myself. By the way, the first language was not uttered, it was made with the hands the "fingers". As a matter of fact, I would like to show you the "first word" but afraid I might get banned. LOL
You must have had your best sun glasses on when the "Big Bang"occurred.The laws of Physics state that it was bright and quick. Hard to believe everything we see in the heavens came from something smaller than an atom. Gives the ole motto getting the most bang for your buck a slightly different perspective.
i hope all that rain in columbia doesnt slow down the coke production - that'd suck
Quoting Ossqss:
Ya'll be nice to Gro now, he is a good guy :)


I have not seen that video in over 15 years..Thanks for posting it..


Dang, should I put up the video from "It's a Hard Knock Life"? (Austin Powers). Bruising commentary. lol
Quoting pottery:
Greetings.
It has rained copious amounts here today.
I trust that all is well?
Good evening Pott...Severe weather may be a bit more intense than originally forecast in these parts. We just watch and be ready if something happens. I heard you have had some heavy rain...
Dontcha just love it when NWS hasn't a clue for the forecast and admits it. This is from Sterling / DC.

.SHORT TERM /6 AM TUESDAY MORNING THROUGH 6 PM TUESDAY/...
MRNG SFC ANLYS SHOWED LOW PRES CENTERED NEAR KANSAS CITY...NOW
TRACKING RAPIDLY NE ACROSS IA. W/ A 130 KT JET RUNNING SW-NE THE
LOW SHOULD BE WELL INTO CANADA BY TUE MRNG. ATTENDANT CD FNT WL BE
MOVG INTO THE MID ATLC RGN DURG MIDDAY HRS. SREF HAS CONSISTENTLY
BEEN SHOWING THE PCPN W/ THIS FNT DRYING UP AS IT MOVES E OF THE
MTNS...WHILE MDL NMRCL OUTPUT IS FCSTG ANYWHERE FM 10 POP TO 80.
THIS MAY BE A "WHITES OF ITS EYES" EVENT
...AS I WOULDN`T BE
CONFIDENT IN GOING HIGHER THAN CHC POPS...BUT AT THE SAME TIME
AM UNWILLING TO HV NO MENTION. ONE THING THAT IS CLR IS THAT IF
RAIN MOVES E OF THE MTNS THE QPF AMTS WL BE LGT.

TEMPS MAY BE A CHALLENGE TUE - ON S/SW WINDS TEMPS SHOULD WARM AS
QUICKLY AS THEY CAN IN LATE NOV...TOPPING OUT IN THE MU60S B4
BEGINNING A FALL IN MID-LATE AFTN.
Quoting hydrus:
Good evening Pott...Severe weather may be a bit more intense than originally forecast in these parts. We just watch and be ready if something happens. I heard you have had some heavy rain...

Indeed!
2" today, from a Low that is passing through.
Flew from Panama City to here yesterday, and was amazed at the enormous clouds looming over the plane (we were at 30,000 feet) over Columbia and Venezuela. Beautiful flight though the canyons and around the anvils.....
Had no idea that the situation in C. was so bad until I read this Blog.
There seems to be a lot more going on too towards the first of the month and beyond.

Particularly some events in the GOM.
Quoting pottery:

Indeed!
2" today, from a Low that is passing through.
Flew from Panama City to here yesterday, and was amazed at the enormous clouds looming over the plane (we were at 30,000 feet) over Columbia and Venezuela. Beautiful flight though the canyons and around the anvils.....
Had no idea that the situation in C. was so bad until I read this Blog.
The forecast is for more rain....Sounds like a cool flight.:)
Quoting hydrus:
You must have had your best sun glasses on when the "Big Bang"occurred.The laws of Physics state that it was bright and quick. Hard to believe everything we see in the heavens came from something smaller than an atom. Gives the ole motto getting the most bang for your buck a slightly different perspective.


Inflation is a terrible thing. LOL
Quoting Grothar:


Inflation is a terrible thing. LOL

Not when it comes to the Ego.
And I should know....
Quoting Ossqss:
Ya'll be nice to Gro now, he is a good guy :)




One of my favorites.
Quoting Grothar:


Inflation is a terrible thing. LOL


Not so for all applications. Remember when you were young, at the dawn of the Earth? LOL
Quoting pottery:

Not when it comes to the Ego.
And I should know....


Hey, pot! Hope you had an enjoyable trip. Saw you pop in a few times. Interesting trip you took. (Looks like they are picking on the old folks again tonight.)
Quoting PSLFLCaneVet:


Not so for all applications. Remember when you were young, at the dawn of the Earth? LOL


Family blog, family blog.
Quoting Grothar:


Family blog, family blog.


I'm with ya, oh experienced one. I feel like a tune.

Quoting Grothar:


Hey, pot! Hope you had an enjoyable trip. Saw you pop in a few times. Interesting trip you took. (Looks like they are picking on the old folks again tonight.)

Fantastic Trip. Wonderous Place.
Dont be concerned about the 'picking on the old folks' thing.
They have no idea how difficult it was to get all those random molecules to coagulate into us!
Wasn't the Dawn of Life lovely?
Ah, those were the Days!
Quoting pottery:

Fantastic Trip. Wonderous Place.
Dont be concerned about the 'picking on the old folks' thing.
They have no idea how difficult it was to get all those random molecules to coagulate into us!
Wasn't the Dawn of Life lovely?
Ah, those were the Days!


Nice! Glad to see you back on, Lord Pottery.
sooo, the lowly Indiana Pacers beat the Miami Heat tonight (;
Quoting pottery:

Fantastic Trip. Wonderous Place.
Dont be concerned about the 'picking on the old folks' thing.
They have no idea how difficult it was to get all those random molecules to coagulate into us!
Wasn't the Dawn of Life lovely?
Ah, those were the Days!


Yes, and I guess the big trick now is to get all those random molecules to stay together. I think most of mine have settled in my stomach. I am the same weight since I was 18. It is has somehow been redistributed.
Quoting PSLFLCaneVet:


Nice! Glad to see you back on, Lord Pottery.

Thank you, my friend.
All is well with you, I hope?
Quoting PSLFLCaneVet:


I'm with ya, oh experienced one. I feel like a tune.



Are they a new group?
Quoting Grothar:


Yes, and I guess the big trick now is to get all those random molecules to stay together. I think most of mine have settled in my stomach. I am the same weight since I was 18. It is has somehow been redistributed.

I know what you mean. Sort of sedimentary accumulations of the worst kind.
Look on the bright side. Our center of gravity is being lowered all the time. (although I cannot think WHY this should be a good thing, I am sure it is)
Quoting Grothar:


Are they a new group?

everything is Relative....
Quoting pottery:

Thank you, my friend.
All is well with you, I hope?


It is, thank you. Good folk, here. The WU community is a special group. I feel privileged to be a small part of it.
Quoting PSLFLCaneVet:


It is, thank you. Good folk, here. The WU community is a special group. I feel privileged to be a small part of it.


+1
Quoting Grothar:


Are they a new group?


Absolutely, their 45 just hit the market. Do you have a new needle for your player? Diamond tips are all the rage now, you wascally wabbitt.
re 154

Atmospheric methane is on the move up again. It was thought that it woudl actually start decreasing after all the efforts to control it were enacted - they didnt figure on the time bomb in the Arctic. It wasn't even included in the 2007 IPCC report.



Quoting DontAnnoyMe:


+1


Good evening to you, my friend.
Quoting PSLFLCaneVet:


It is, thank you. Good folk, here. The WU community is a special group. I feel privileged to be a small part of it.

Indeed! Me too.
Quoting PSLFLCaneVet:


Good evening to you, my friend.


Godd evening. I can't complain, enjoying the show here. Need to make some popcorn...lol
Hummm, so tell me ,,,,,,,,,,, 2006 had it down,,,,, sure has a creepy feeling !!

Link

"Furthermore, the fact that the planet has been around for billions of years, I argue that
another 10 or even 20 more years of investigation and research, will not doom our civilization
or the planet."
Quoting tornadodude:
sooo, the lowly Indiana Pacers beat the Miami Heat tonight (;


Laugh it up TD lol
Quoting JFLORIDA:
re 154

Atmospheric methane is on the move up again. It was thought that it woudl actually start decreasing after all the efforts to control it were enacted - they didnt figure on the time bomb in the Arctic. It wasn't even included in the 2007 IPCC report.



Thanks for that.
I did not realise that methane was on the up....
Quoting pottery:

I know what you mean. Sort of sedimentary accumulations of the worst kind.
Look on the bright side. Our center of gravity is being lowered all the time. (although I cannot think WHY this should be a good thing, I am sure it is)

Helps with skiing. (Personal experience of not having same on the slopes.)
Quoting PSLFLCaneVet:


It is, thank you. Good folk, here. The WU community is a special group. I feel privileged to be a small part of it.


Very nice, PSL. You deserve a little something for that. As a matter of fact, all of you deserve this.

It looks like it is pottery - everyone was hoping it would decrease after it leveled off a bit. No such luck.
Quoting SQUAWK:
Dontcha just love it when NWS hasn't a clue for the forecast and admits it.


I believe that's a sign of good forecasting. We see that 'could be a bust', 'low confidence' stuff around here more than occasionally. I think the rationale is that it's better to admit to uncertainty for long-term credibility.
Quoting tornadodude:
sooo, the lowly Indiana Pacers beat the Miami Heat tonight (;


I don't believe it TD. Could be a government conspiracy to make us all feel badly about ourselves. It will turn our world upside-down and we won't believe in anything. The Heat can't be beat!!!
Quoting caneswatch:


Laugh it up TD lol


they whooped em :) haha
Quoting Grothar:


I don't believe it TD. Could be a government conspiracy to make us all feel badly about ourselves. It will turn our world upside-down and we won't believe in anything. The Heat can't be beat!!!


hahaha well maybe they were scarred because of all the talk about a cold snap
Quoting caneswatch:


Laugh it up TD lol


Hey, Canes! Any news on our cold weather coming to S Fla?
Quoting JFLORIDA:
It looks like it is pottery - everyone was hoping it would decrease after it leveled off a bit. No such luck.

Hmmm!
And there is an awful lot of the stuff waiting to get out....
How can we tap it, and use it instead of petroleum?
Quoting Grothar:


Very nice, PSL. You deserve a little something for that. As a matter of fact, all of you deserve this.



Thank you Grothar. A great selection. That means a lot!
Repost:

Loves Park, Illinois Tornado Today

Quoting PSLFLCaneVet:


Thank you Grothar. A great selection. That means a lot!


You're welcome!
Quoting tornadodude:
Repost:

Loves Park, Illinois Tornado Today


Dread Stuff.
Quoting Grothar:


You're welcome!


Give me a few minutes, please. I intend to find a tune you'll groove on, my friend.
My latest article for the Evansville Examiner

Cold Black Friday Ahead
Quoting Grothar:


Hey, Canes! Any news on our cold weather coming to S Fla?


Right now, it's what cold snap? lol


Im 2 counties to the north of Evansville and one county to the east
Quoting tornadodude:


they whooped em :) haha


That's it, i'm on the Riley for coach bandwagon now. lol
Quoting PSLFLCaneVet:


Give me a few minutes, please. I intend to find a tune you'll groove on, my friend.


I have all the time in the world. Well, actually, come to think of it, I count my time in minutes, so you better hurry up!!!!
Quoting caneswatch:


That's it, i'm on the Riley for coach bandwagon now. lol


haha yeah yeah yeah

I know I put this one up a while back. I hope it still entertains.




Quoting tornadodude:
hey Jeff9641

when you get a chance, check out post 106, the member info at the bottom Lol


WOW T-Dude I get back home and see that there where some serious tornadoes around Rockford,IL.
Quoting Jeff9641:


WOW T-Dude I get back home and see that there where some serious tornadoes around Rockford,IL.


yeah no kidding!

If I had gone and chased today, there is no way I could have got in position for that.

A tornado moving at 50mph in an urban area is impossible to chase
Quoting PSLFLCaneVet:

I know I put this one up a while back. I hope it still entertains.






It DOES!
Quoting Grothar:


It DOES!


I am very glad, my friend. You rock!
Quoting Grothar:


Hey,pot, we should be grateful our atmosphere is only been polluted by methane and carbon. If it were helium, we would all be talking like this.



God Forbid!
Can you imagine a voice like that, first thing in the morning?
I prefer roosters.
Run the Methane.
Quoting PSLFLCaneVet:

I know I put this one up a while back. I hope it still entertains.





Classic Stuff.
Quoting pottery:

God Forbid!
Can you imagine a voice like that, first thing in the morning?
I prefer roosters.
Run the Methane.


Yes, I can, but with a Swedish accent! LOL
Quoting Grothar:


Yes, I can, but with a Swedish accent! LOL

HAHAHAHAH.
well, I guess we all have a Cross to bear.

see you all another time. It's been fun.
Special Weather Statement

SPECIAL WEATHER STATEMENT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE INDIANAPOLIS IN
1131 PM EST MON NOV 22 2010

INZ045-052>054-060>062-067-068-230515-
CLAY-DAVIESS-GREENE-KNOX-MONROE-MORGAN-OWEN-PUTNAM-SULLIVAN-
1131 PM EST MON NOV 22 2010

...STRONG THUNDERSTORM ADVISORY FOR NORTHERN DAVIESS...NORTHEASTERN
KNOX...GREENE...SULLIVAN...NORTHWESTERN MONROE...OWEN...SOUTHERN
CLAY...SOUTHWESTERN MORGAN AND SOUTHEASTERN PUTNAM COUNTIES UNTIL
1215 AM EST...

AT 1129 PM EST...NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DOPPLER RADAR WAS TRACKING
A STRONG THUNDERSTORM 13 MILES SOUTH OF BRAZIL...OR 16 MILES
SOUTHEAST OF TERRE HAUTE...MOVING EAST AT 30 MPH.

WIND GUSTS UP TO 50 MPH ARE EXPECTED WITH THIS STORM.

THIS STORM WILL BE NEAR...
BOWLING GREEN AND COAL CITY AROUND 1140 PM EST...
PATRICKSBURG AROUND 1145 PM EST...
FREEDOM AROUND MIDNIGHT EST...
SPENCER AND MCCORMICKS CREEK STATE PARK AROUND 1210 AM EST...
STINESVILLE AND ELLETTSVILLE AROUND 1215 AM EST...

IF THREATENING WEATHER APPROACHES YOUR AREA...TAKE SHELTER IN A
STURDY BUILDING.

&&

LAT...LON 3926 8732 3926 8726 3930 8725 3962 8675
3938 8638 3878 8711 3905 8759 3907 8760
TIME...MOT...LOC 0432Z 285DEG 25KT 3934 8710

$$

KOCH





Quoting pottery:

HAHAHAHAH.
well, I guess we all have a Cross to bear.

see you all another time. It's been fun.


Good night, LP. Back at ya.


You folks are great! Thanks for the fun. I hope all of you, have a restful night.
Quoting Grothar:


All of that was covered in Post #15. Didn't you see the link? LOL


Actually I did. The deaths of C.S. Lewis and Aldous Huxley on Nov 22 1963 were not on your list ;)
I tried to upload a pic to use as my avatar. I do not get any errors, but the avatar does not show up. It is a JPG file and I think the file size may to be too large. The file is 2.13 MG. What is the size limit for the file?

TIA
Quoting tornadodude:

Im 2 counties to the north of Evansville and one county to the east


In Louisville myself, waiting for the storms to come through :)

Do you think the tornado watch, or perhaps a severe thunderstorm watch is extended eastward?
Quoting Distrakted:


In Louisville myself, waiting for the storms to come through :)

Do you think the tornado watch, or perhaps a severe thunderstorm watch is extended eastward?


oh nice!

eh, probably not, they really arent that impressive anymore
Quoting hydrus:
You must have had your best sun glasses on when the "Big Bang"occurred.The laws of Physics state that it was bright and quick. Hard to believe everything we see in the heavens came from something smaller than an atom. Gives the ole motto getting the most bang for your buck a slightly different perspective.


Actually, it was dark and quiet. I believe it took about 200,000,000,000 years for the pure energy to start to transform into matter. There was no light before matter formed. Since this happened in a vacuum, there was no sound either. This kinda caught Grothar off guard. He wasn't expecting that! Grothar suspected something was happening, but he wasn't sure what. Grothar got to see it all!
test
Quoting jb410:
How can we know that man is causing climatic change? Until that is proven beyond a doubt, we should give ourselves the benefit of the doubt. ..."


Air pollution can cause number of health hazards to human beings, animals, birds, in addition to causing number of deleterious effects on earth's atmosphere as well as vegetation and even on some buildings. It is a global malady causing innumerable irreversible changes to our planet. The effects of air pollution have no limitations or country boundaries. They can extend to any adjoining country or even far off country from the country of origin.
Pollution, in general, is not caused by anybody deliberately. Air pollution is the result of many activities - which are as normal as human diet in life. But, effects of such pollution are far reaching and irreversible. The dangerous effects of some important air pollutants on human health are discussed here.
Carbon monoxide (CO)
It has strong affinity to combine/bind with haemoglobin in blood to form carboxyhaemoglobin, which reduces oxygen carrying capacity of blood to cause headache,nausea ,asphyxiation and fainting (low supply of O2 to body though one may inhale normally). Against normal level of 0.5% CO in blood, severe pollution may lead to 8 to 9% CO.
Carbon dioxide (CO2)
It is estimated that in the last 100 years 360 billion tons of CO2 is added to atmosphere. CO2 has risen by 7% in the last 30 years. As CO2 in atmosphere has capacity to trap infrared rays in the band with 2.1 to 15mm, higher CO2 in atmosphere has caused global warming (rise in temperature). This is also known as %u201Cgreen house effect%u201D. Global warming has number of effects like rise in sea water level and increase in incidence of some diseases. Increased CO2 level in air has also caused imbalance in atmosphere and reduced supply of O2.
Carbon disulphide (CS2)
It is highly dangerous gas causing mental illness like depression, norexia, insomnia, loss of memory. It can also cause other effects like loss of sensation, muscular weakness, loss of vision, dizziness, symptoms of Parkinson's disease.
Chlorofluoromethane (CFM)
Also called as freons, they belong to a group called chlorofluorocarbons (CFC). They are used as propellant in aerosols or as refrigerants in domestic refrigerators, deep freezers, air conditioners. CFM are not disintegrated in air, but rise to troposphere. There they are dissociated due to ultra violet rays to release free chlorine. This nascent chlorine causes ozone depletion, as ozone gas has strong affinity to react with free chlorine gas. Thinning of ozone shield will allow UV-radiations in earths atmosphere and cause extensive damage to planets and animals.
Methane (CH4)
Methane has capacity to mix with blood haemoglobin to form methamoglobin - which has no capacity to carry O2 like normal haemoglobin. This reduces oxygen supply to body causing asphyxia.
Methyl Iodide (CH3l)
It can cause cancerous tumours in respiratory tracts.
Sulphur dioxide (SO2)
Excess SO2 levels in air can lead to some consequences like:
* lead to acid rain - which is the result of
formation of acid rain
That is SO2 is converted into sulphite in presence of atmospheric oxygen. SO3 (sulphite) can mix with rain water to bring mild sulphuric acid to earth's surface during its movement.
* Inhalation of sulphur dioxide damages the respiratory tract very badly causing inflammation, irritation, ulcers as well as disruption of alveoli activity.
* SO2 atmospheric humidity (H2O) can result into fine particles of sulphites and H2SO4. They are often attached to dust or fine carbon particles released out of vehicular pollution. When inhaled they have capacity to damage delicate tissue linings to eyes, nose, respiratory tract, inhibit cilial action in nose.
* Cyanide gases (Hydrogen cyanide - HCN, Methyl isocyanide CH3CN)
Highly dangerous gases are often released out of leakages in chemical industries. They are also released in metal finishing processes like electroplating, case hardening activities. They are fatal in their action causing instant deaths if exposed to such gas for 3 - 5 minutes continuously. In milder form, it can cause damage cells of bronchi, alveoli, nasal tract. It can also lead to many heart problems and vision problems.
Chlorine Gas (Cl)
Chlorine is a highly irritant gas with possible damages like skin irritation, eye irritations, throat irritation leading to inflammation and disfunction on long exposure to chlorine gas.
Hydrogen Chloride (HCl)
HCl gas is also an irritant gas that causes damages to skin, eyes, throat, nasal tract. It is also corrosive, damaging the cells.
Ammonia (NH3)
Gaseous ammonia is a pungent, irritant gas often causing effects like skin irritation, eye irritation and irritation to throat. It can cause number of allergies.
Control of Air Pollution
a) Checking the air pollution by strict imposition of laws on factories.
b) Reducing vehicular traffic and encouraging public transport vehicles than individual vehicles.
c) Use of unleaded petrol.
d) Regular check of exhaust gases from vehicles to declare their status in respect of pollution.
e) Ban and imposition of fines on polluting vehicles.
f) Strict control measures to take care of accidental pollution by industries.
g) Safe burial of atomic wastes.
h) Raising the height of chimneys of factories so that pollutant gas released from chimneys will reach upper strata of atmosphere.
i) Ban on illegal burning of hazardous materials and illegal handling of radioactive materials.
"Carbon disulphide (CS2)
It is highly dangerous gas causing mental illness like depression, norexia, insomnia, loss of memory. It can also cause other effects like loss of sensation, muscular weakness, loss of vision, dizziness, symptoms of Parkinson's disease."

Uh huh. With the exception of the Parkinson, that pretty well describes me. The mental illness is the most revealing, as most of you have probably already noticed. Oh yes! I forgot! And the loss of memory as well.
Quoting jb410:
How can we know that man is causing climatic change? Until that is proven beyond a doubt, we should give ourselves the benefit of the doubt. ..."


This is the one of the contributions of modern society to mankind.... But don't worry, there are no observable "consequences" for the moment and Until that is proven beyond a doubt, we should give ourselves the benefit of the doubt:

There are nine basic types of environmental pollution, and each one has detrimental affects on wildlife, human habitation, and the quality of life in the affected area.


Air Pollution

Air pollution is defined as any contamination of the atmosphere that disturbs the natural composition and chemistry of the air. This can be in the form of particulate matter such as dust or excessive gases like carbon dioxide or other vapors that cannot be effectively removed through natural cycles, such as the carbon cycle or the nitrogen cycle.

Air pollution comes from a wide variety of sources. Some of the most excessive sources include:

* Vehicle or manufacturing exhaust
* Forest fires, volcanic eruptions, dry soil erosion, and other natural sources
* Building construction or demolition

Depending on the concentration of air pollutants, several effects can be noticed. Smog increases, higher rain acidity, crop depletion from inadequate oxygen, higher rates of asthma, and global warming are all related to increased air pollution.
Water Pollution

Water pollution involves any contaminated water, whether from chemical, particulate, or bacterial matter that degrades the water's quality and purity. Water pollution can occur in oceans, rivers, lakes, and underground reservoirs, and as different water sources flow together the pollution can spread.Causes of water pollution include:

* Increased sediment from soil erosion
* Improper waste disposal and littering
* Leaching of soil pollution into water supplies
* Organic material decay in water supplies

The effects of water pollution include decreasing the quantity of drinkable water available, lowering water supplies for crop irrigation, and impacting fish and wildlife populations that require water of a certain purity for survival.


Soil, or land pollution, is contamination of the soil that prevents natural growth and balance in the land whether it is used for cultivation, habitation, or a wildlife preserve. Some soil pollution, such as the creation of landfills, is deliberate, while much more is accidental and can have widespread effects.

Soil pollution sources include:

* Hazardous waste and sewage spills
* Non-sustainable farming practices, such as the heavy use of inorganic pesticides
* Strip mining, deforestation, and other destructive practices
* Household dumping and littering

Soil contamination can lead to poor growth and reduced crop yields, loss of wildlife habitat, water and visual pollution, soil erosion, and desertification.
Noise Pollution

Noise pollution refers to undesirable levels of noises caused by human activity that disrupt the standard of living in the affected area. Noise pollution can come from:

* Traffic
* Airports
* Railroads
* Manufacturing plants
* Construction or demolition
* Concerts

Some noise pollution may be temporary while other sources are more permanent. Effects may include hearing loss, wildlife disturbances, and a general degradation of lifestyle.
Radioactive Pollution

Radioactive pollution is one of the types of pollution that is rare but extremely detrimental, even deadly, when it occurs. Because of its intensity and the difficulty of reversing damage, there are strict government regulations to control radioactive pollution.

Sources of radioactive contamination include:

* Nuclear power plant accidents or leakage
* Improper nuclear waste disposal
* Uranium mining operations

Radiation pollution can cause birth defects, cancer, sterilization, and other health problems for human and wildlife populations. It can also sterilize the soil and contribute to water and air pollution.
Thermal Pollution

Thermal pollution is excess heat that creates undesirable effects over long periods of time. The earth has a natural thermal cycle, but excessive temperature increases can be considered a rare type of pollution with long term effects. Many types of thermal pollution are confined to areas near their source, but multiple sources can have wider impacts over a greater geographic area.

Thermal pollution may be caused by:

* Power plants
* Urban sprawl
* Air pollution particulates that trap heat
* Deforestation
* Loss of temperature moderating water supplies

As temperatures increase, mild climatic changes may be observed, and wildlife populations may be unable to recover from swift changes.
Light Pollution
Cities cause light pollution.

Light pollution is the over illumination of an area that is considered obtrusive. Sources include:

* Large cities
* Billboards and advertising
* Nighttime sporting events and other nighttime entertainment

Light pollution makes it impossible to see stars, therefore interfering with astronomical observation and personal enjoyment. If it is near residential areas, light pollution can also degrade the quality of life for residents.
Visual Pollution

Visual pollution - eyesores - can be caused by other types of pollution or just by undesirable, unattractive views. It may lower the quality of life in certain areas, or could impact property values and personal enjoyment.

Sources of visual pollution include:

* Power lines
* Construction areas
* Billboards and advertising
* Neglected areas or objects such as polluted vacant fields or abandoned buildings

While visual pollution has few immediate health or environmental effects, the other types of pollution that cause an eyesore can have detrimental affects.
Personal Pollution
Are you polluting yourself?

Personal pollution is the contamination of one's body and lifestyle with detrimental actions. This may include:

* Excessive smoking, drinking or drug abuse
* Emotional or physical abuse
* Poor living conditions and habits
* Poor personal attitudes

In some cases, personal pollution may be inflicted by caregivers, while in other cases it is caused by voluntary actions. Taking positive steps in your life can help eliminate this and other types of pollution so you can lead a more productive, satisfying life.
Good Morning.
Sunny and Bright here.
But it looks like we will get more rains today after 2" yesterday.
Hope that everyone has a Blessed one.
Quoting pottery:
Good Morning.
Sunny and Bright here.
But it looks like we will get more rains today after 2" yesterday.
Hope that everyone has a Blessed one.


Its freezing here :(
There have been a ridiculous number--138--of record high and high minimum temps in the CONUS in the past 24 hours in advance of the cold front. A few examples: 73 in Cillicothe, MO; 77 in Fredonia, KS; 93 in Castolon, TX. In the west, however, a small handful (13) of record lows or low maximums temps were set or tied: 47 in Auburn, CA and 10 in Polebridge, MT. There should be one or two more days of record warmth in advance of the front, and then some record or near-record cold late in the week behind it as the polar air pays us a visit.

P.S. -- just 189 days, 10 hours, and 55 minutes until the start of the 2011 Atlantic hurricane season. ;-)