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Catastrophic Fire Hits Southeast Tennessee Homes and Resorts

By: Bob Henson 4:28 PM GMT on November 29, 2016

What appears to be the most damaging wildland fire to strike a Southeast U.S. community in many decades tore into the tourist mecca of Gatlinburg, Tennessee, on Monday night. The Chimney Top Fire has burned hundreds of structures in and near this much-loved city and has injured at least four people. Nearby Pigeon Forge, home of the Dollywood theme park, has also been affected by the fire, which began in the adjacent Great Smoky Mountains. At least 14,000 people were evacuated from the area, and an estimated 1000-plus people were in shelters on Tuesday morning. At 9:03 PM EST Monday night, the Sevier County Emergency Management Agency sent this message:

“THE CITY OF GATLINBURG AND NEARBY COMMUNITIES ARE BEING EVACUATED
DUE TO WILDFIRES. NOBODY IS ALLOWED INTO THE CITY AT THIS TIME. IF
YOU ARE CURRENTLY IN GATLINBURG AND ARE ABLE TO EVACUATE...EVACUATE
IMMEDIATELY AND FOLLOW ANY INSTRUCTIONS FROM EMERGENCY OFFICIALS.
IF YOU ARE NOT INSTRUCTED TO EVACUATE...PLEASE STAY OFF THE ROADS.”


Figure 1. Fire erupts on the side of The Spur on Highway 441 between Gatlinburg and Pigeon Forge, TN, on Monday night, November 28, 2016. In Gatlinburg, smoke and fire caused the mandatory evacuation of downtown and surrounding areas. Image credit: Jessica Tezak/Knoxville News Sentinel via AP.


Figure 2. Thick smoke from area forest fires spread over Gatlinburg, TN, at midday Monday, November 28, 2016, a few hours before fire moved into parts of town. Image credit: Brianna Paciorka/Knoxville News Sentinel via AP.

Large swaths of the hillsides surrounding downtown Gatlinburg were ravaged by the fire on Monday night, including several major hotel and resort facilities. Conflicting reports on social media, and the fluid nature of the disaster as the fire continued on Tuesday, made it hard for news organizations to determine exactly what areas had been damaged. For example, there were widespread rumors that the resort of Ober Gatlinburg was destroyed, but on Tuesday morning, Ober Gatlinburg reported on Facebook: “Our property is okay. Please keep Sevier County in your thoughts and prayers!”

“The center of Gatlinburg looks good for now," Newmansville Volunteer Fire Department Lt. Bobby Balding told the Knoxville News Sentinel on Monday night. "It's the apocalypse on both sides (of downtown)."

The southern Appalachians have endured their hottest and driest autumn on record, setting the stage for dozens of wildfires across the region that culminated in Monday’s blazes. As of Monday, 20 large fires across the Southeast, including 4 new ones, were affecting more than 130,000 acres, according to the National Interagency Fire Center. The Gatlinburg disaster occurred as winds gusted to more than 70 mph ahead of a strong cold front. The same front and upper-level system that brought the winds also delivered more than 0.50” of rain to nearby Knoxville after midnight Monday night. Intense thunderstorms will erupt from Louisiana to central Tennessee and eastern Kentucky on Tuesday afternoon, with an enhanced risk of severe weather--including the possibility of significant tornadoes--over much of Mississippi. These lightning- and wind-bearing storms may reach southeast TN by late Tuesday. Conditions should improve markedly over the next several days over much of the Southeast, thanks to the expected generous rains and cooler temperatures. However, many fires continued to burn on Tuesday, and to many residents of the Gatlinburg area, the damage has already been done. “Even with the rain that is currently falling there, the fires continue to burn and structures remain engulfed with little hope that the rainfall will bring immediate relief,” said the Tennessee Emergency Management Agency in a statement at 9 AM EST Tuesday.


Figure 3. Ranking of stations across the Southeast for the period from September 1 to November 28, 2016, in terms of temperature (left) and precipitation (right). Many locations across the region, including the Knoxville/Gatlinburg area, have seen their hottest and driest autumn on record through Monday. Enough rain may arrive over the next couple of days to keep autumn precipitation records from being set at some spots. Image credit: Southeast Regional Climate Center.

A toxic mix of fire-friendly elements
Moisture is typically plentiful across the Southeast, including Gatlinburg, which averages 56” of rain per year. Droughts here are not typically as prolonged as they are in the U.S. West. When they do strike, their impact on the lush, normally-well-watered landscape can quickly become intense. In its section on the Southeast, the U.S. National Climate Assessment noted: “The southeastern U.S. (data include Texas and Oklahoma, not Puerto Rico) leads the nation in number of wildfires, averaging 45,000 fires per year, and this number continues to increase. Increasing temperatures contribute to increased fire frequency, intensity, and size, though at some level of fire frequency, increased fire frequency would lead to decreased fire intensity.”


Figure 4. Fires along the north edge of Great Smoky Mountains National Park near Wears Valley, TN, illuminate storm clouds as photographed from the town of Seymour, about 10 miles northwest of Gatlinburg. Photo credit: Jeremy Kwasney, On Location Photography. Thanks to Julie Carles-Witt for obtaining permission.


Figure 5. Firefighter Valarie Lopez is followed by Mark Tabaez as they climb down a hill after cooling hot spots from a wildfire that burned a hillside in Clayton, GA, on November 15, 2016. Image credit: AP Photo/John Bazemore.


Making matters worse is the state of the forest in the Great Smoky Mountains National Park, where fire has been largely suppressed for nearly a century. Studies led by the University of Tennessee have examined the history of fire in the forests just south of Gatlinburg within the national park. Analyses of trees that date back as far as the early 1700s show that smaller, less-intense fires triggered by lightning and/or human activity were once quite frequent, clearing out the landscape for new growth every few years. “In most areas of the park, it’s very clear when this pattern of regular fires stopped: in the early 1930s, the park began suppressing fire, and tree rings changed,” notes the National Park Service.

Decades of fire suppression allowed species that are less fire-tolerant, such as maple and hickory, to take hold. On top of this, southern pine beetles have ravaged more than 90% of native short-leaf pines in some areas over the last several decades, leaving huge stands of dead trees. (As winter temperatures grow warmer in our greenhouse-altered climate, southern pine beetles have been thriving, making it as far north as New Jersey.)

Taking stock of our future fire risks
I have fond memories of a childhood visit to Gatlinburg, and it’s painful to contemplate the agony that residents are going through. The Red Cross of East Tennessee has already called this “the worst disaster involving displaced people in our area since Hurricane Katrina.” Unfortunately, the Gatlinburg fire may be a harbinger of increased fire risk across the Southeast in the decades to come, as suggested by the U.S. National Climate Assessment. A 2015 study led by Renaud Barbero (University of Idaho) suggests that the number of week-long periods with very large fires over the southern and central Appalachians may double by the 2040s - 2060s as a result of climate change. Population growth is also adding to the region’s risk. As more people move to the fringes of towns and cities, more than half of the nation’s wildland-urban interface is now located within the Southeast.

Gatlinburg is the second catastrophic wildfire this year to strike a sizable North American community in an unexpected fashion. It follows the disastrous blaze that swept across Fort McMurray, Canada, in early May, after record-setting mid-spring temperatures close to 90°F came on the heels of a very early snowmelt. The Fort McMurray fire was the costliest disaster in Canadian history, with more than $3 billion US in damage. As I wrote in a post on that event: “We have much more to learn about exactly why and how the atmosphere is moving in directions that favor devastating fire--but for now, perhaps it’s enough simply to know that the dice are being loaded. Together with the many other threats posed by climate change, this should be more than enough motivation to get serious about emission cuts. The vast and profound effects of human-produced greenhouse gases--from intensified downpours and drought impacts to ocean acidification and sea-level rise--call for a sustained commitment to change that transcends any single disaster.”

The Knoxville News Sentinel has been providing excellent in-depth coverage of the Gatlinburg fire, including a live blog with many photos and updates. Jeff Masters will be back later today with a post on Giving Tuesday.

Bob Henson



Video 1. Above: A terrifying escape from cabins near Gatlinburg, Tennessee, on Monday night, November 28, 2016. The drivers made it through the fire unscathed. Language alert: this video has several f- and s-bombs. Video credit: @VolBlood




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Reader Comments

Thank you for the lunchtime update.

I'm sure that many folks would like to post but we keep getting sent back to the 360º rainbow blog.
Best to the folks in fire threatened areas what a scary scenario
Quoting 2. Gearsts:




hands up if you think the arctic wont get cold this year
Thanks for the update Mr. Henson, I just managed to escape the 2005 time-warp.
Unfortunately, this is also reap what you sow. This area is populated with folks who accept the notion that climate change is a hoax perpetrated by the Chinese. These events are becoming more common with the actual effects of climate change are here now not some time in the distant future. Maybe we need to be talking about that and quit focusing on 2050 or 2100, dates that are meaningless to current generations. We are rapidly running out of time and don't seem to have the willpower to mitigate the problem. We will have an administration in place that doesn't even believe in the science at a critical tipping point in the evolution of climate change. I the "D" enjoys being mourner in chief as he will have lots of opportunity to do so.
http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/watl/wv-l.jpg
For those of us living down in that dessert it's been in this pattern for a month
the DRY southeast coast states might be getting some interesting storms Wens/Thurs...........
Quoting 4. earthisanocean:



hands up if you think the arctic wont get cold this year


I think the temperatures will stay oscillating somewhere in 255 -260 Kelvin range... all the way to late April 2017.

Thank You Mr. Henson for highlighting this devastating fire, and the causes, for such a beloved area of the US. With so many people living in homes and cabins (and resorts) in the hills and mountains in this region, you could easily be cut-off from an escape route if a fire engulfs one of the few and narrow roads off of any given mountain-side below you.

God Speed to all of the people of the Gatlinburg and Pigeon Forge area and to the first responders and firefighters.
Quoting 6. VAstorms:

Unfortunately, this is also reap what you sow. This area is populated with folks who accept the notion that climate change is a hoax perpetrated by the Chinese.


I can't believe you would even post something so ridiculous as this. To say that somehow these folks "reap what you sow" because they live in a more conservative area of the country, where most folks are not keen to the entire Global Warming story. That they somehow deserve this for their belief?

What an absolute ridiculous statement. As if completely natural droughts don't happen in this area from time to time. The problem with the fact that so many people don't believe in manmade climate change, is because they are scared off by people like you who relegate every single instance of severe weather and natural disasters to "climate change".

I guess because I live in Mississippi (one of the most conservative states) we "reap what we sow" when Katrina came roaring through and killed thousands of people? Let me guess, that was climate change too right? Get real and go back into your bubble.
"...conflicting reports on social media..."
That's the story of the year, isn't it?
Thanks for the updates Mr. Henson....
Some people are absolutely sick on here.Saying that these people deserve this? No matter if they believed in a talking lamb no one deserves to go through this at all and have their lives destroyed.I guess the people in Haiti that are uniformed or not thinking about CC/GW also deserved to go through Matthew and have their whole lives ruined too right? Some people have absolutely no soul.I refuse to be on here with these groups of people.
Quoting 17. washingtonian115:

Some people are absolutely sick on here.Saying that these people deserve this? No matter if they believed in a talking lamb no one deserves to go through this at all and have their lives destroyed.I guess the people in Haiti that are uniformed or not thinking about CC/GW also deserved to go through Matthew and have their whole lives ruined too right? Some people have absolutely no soul.I refuse to be on here with these groups of people.


Unfortunately they are around. They will use anything to push their little agendas. As if the rest of the country is just a bunch of uninformed sheep.
Quoting 17. washingtonian115:

Some people are absolutely sick on here.Saying that these people deserve this? No matter if they believed in a talking lamb no one deserves to go through this at all and have their lives destroyed.I guess the people in Haiti that are uniformed or not thinking about CC/GW also deserved to go through Matthew and have their whole lives ruined too right? Some people have absolutely no soul.I refuse to be on here with these groups of people.

Yes, it's unfair. Like Haiyan. Matthew should've been for Miami. But let us rest assured: everyone will get it. Svalbard just sent 270 climate refugees to the Norwegian mainland. Where politicians want the climate refugees from the Levant to settle Svalbard. Climate change in Maghreb, Eastern Africa and the Levant is actually getting the EU to tear itself up, already have the Brexit.

As usual people who don't deserve it - lowest carbon footprints - pay by far the biggest price. A kind of small hit back should be welcomed. Even then - the Texas Drought and the Russian Inferno (2011 and 2010) were instrumental in triggering the Arab uprisings. The victims were not so much the Texans, they live. But Aleppo does no longer live.
todays storm data has been updated, stay alert and safe folks in these area's..............
Quoting 6. VAstorms:



What a sad, small post.
I almost drove off one of those mountains above Gatlinburg during the family vacation in 1998. Drove up the wrong turn on the mountain road coming back from a food run around 10:00 pm and hit a dead end in the pitch black. Then started backing up the rented mini-van to get back down and one of the locals (or visitors) in a cabin near me came flying off of the deck screaming at me to stop the van. When I got out, the back tires were on the edge of a drop-off down a few hundred feet. That man, and I told him, most likely saved my life..............He shrugged it off and we exchanged Christmas wishes. I never drove the van at night up or down the mountain for the next 3 days of the stay.
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Quoting 19. cRRKampen:


Yes, it's unfair. Like Haiyan. Matthew should've been for Miami. But let us rest assured: everyone will get it. Svalbard just sent 270 climate refugees to the Norwegian mainland. Where politicians want the climate refugees from the Levant to settle Svalbard. Climate change in Maghreb, Eastern Africa and the Levant is actually getting the EU to tear itself up, already have the Brexit.

As usual people who don't deserve it - lowest carbon footprints - pay by far the biggest price. A kind of small hit back should be welcomed. Even then - the Texas Drought and the Russian Inferno (2011 and 2010) were instrumental in triggering the Arab uprisings. The victims were not so much the Texans, they live. But Aleppo does no longer live.


I detect sarcasm...... i hope
Quoting 4. earthisanocean:



hands up if you think the arctic wont get cold this year




My hand is down. The Arctic will get cold this winter. At some point a blue (cold) anomaly will cover the Arctic Ocean after it freezes to the Bering Strait (two weeks hence).

however (with cold periods) I do think the Arctic Ocean will AVERAGE above normal surface temperatures from December to March. I am arguing that the continuous record smashing departures will end and not return except for brief periods after mid December.



Meanwhile here in the Mid Atlantic it looks like more typical winter starts December 8, not continuous deepfreeze cold but cold enough for some soil freezing and ice to form on fresh water bodies in the morning and with risk of snow if a shortwave goes south of us and cold enough you can use an insulated box on a north facing porch as a supplemental refrigerator.
Quoting 17. washingtonian115:

Some people are absolutely sick on here.Saying that these people deserve this? (snip)

I don't think they meant it that way. Populations will suffer, individuals will die. Ignorance will cause more suffering and dying. Not that it's their fault.
all these things will pass and the forest will reborn.
KOTG

good post for the day thanks
Thanks for addressing these fires, Bob. Decades of total fire supression has a big hand in the severity of the burns, as does the presence of human lives (and their property) scattered throughout the forest, diverting resources from stopping the spread of the fires. When I worked for CA St. Parks, we conducted prescribed burning in the fall, when dead fuel moisture levels were conducive to meeting our objecive of consuming dead fuel and thick undergrowth without getting too hot and hard to control.

Unfortunately, in spite of door-to-door visits by myself and other fire personnel, notices posted in local papers and on the radio, some people (a vocal minority) still tried to stop our efforts because of the smoke. Burning in drier condititions might have resulted in more complete combustion with less smoldering, but would be too risky. It's a tough decision to make. In larger, more contiguous tracts of land such as you might find in forests in the western US, we were able to take somewhat bigger risks in "simulating" natural fires, with fewer personnel. Chipping off a few acres every year, at great cost, is still the best defense against the spread of out-of-control wildfires.
It seems like my comments keep on falling out of existence.
Anyone who elected George "You're doing a heckuva job, Brownie" Bush has probably helped to exacerbate that problem post-Katrina.
for those who don't have this chart for the NOAA storm warnings.......................................... .................
Quoting 21. Misanthroptimist:


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lunch is over bb at 3
Thank you for the update, Mr. Henson.
Quoting 18. SouthMississippi:



Unfortunately they are around. They will use anything to push their little agendas. As if the rest of the country is just a bunch of uninformed sheep.


I suggest you change your source of information with regards to the topic and that will help you straighten out the media BS information problem that you seem to have problems filtering through from the reality.

I certainly don't look to any TV media or newspaper slants when regarding integrity of academic research sources. I only stick with peer reviewed academics, especially when it comes to science & health. Hence why I am such a big fan of Dr. Master's and associated blog members. Fair, balanced, and always certainly one of the most accurate that you can find around on here. :)

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Ukraine plant reactor, scene of worst nuclear accident in history in 1986, covered with airtight structure after years of work


The £1.27bn steel shelter covers the shell of the plant and the sarcophagus built by Soviet authorities just after the disaster. Photograph: Efrem Lukatsky/AP




gee what those poor folks in the fire area's do NOT need..bad storms with high winds etc............................................... .......SPC AC 291726

DAY 2 CONVECTIVE OUTLOOK
NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
1126 AM CST TUE NOV 29 2016

VALID 301200Z - 011200Z

...THERE IS A MRGL RISK OF SVR TSTMS FROM THE SOUTHEAST STATES
THROUGH THE MIDDLE ATLANTIC AREA...

...SUMMARY...
SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORM FROM PORTIONS OF THE OHIO VALLEY INTO THE
SOUTHEAST U.S. EARLY WEDNESDAY WILL POSE AT LEAST A MARGINAL RISK
FOR A FEW INSTANCES OF DAMAGING WIND AS ACTIVITY CONTINUES TOWARD
THE MIDDLE ATLANTIC WEDNESDAY AND WEDNESDAY NIGHT. A TORNADO OR TWO
ALSO CANNOT BE RULED OUT OVER A PORTION OF THE GULF COAST STATES
WEDNESDAY MORNING INTO EARLY AFTERNOON.

...SYNOPSIS...

SYNOPTIC UPPER TROUGH NOW OVER THE CENTRAL U.S. WILL REMAIN THE
DOMINANT FEATURE WEDNESDAY. THIS TROUGH WILL SLOWLY ADVANCE THROUGH
THE EASTERN STATES...WHILE A STRONG UPPER JET ROTATES THROUGH BASE OF
THE TROUGH AND INTO THE TENNESSEE AND OHIO VALLEYS. AT THE SURFACE
PRIMARY CYCLONE WILL DEVELOP THROUGH THE GREAT LAKES WITHIN UPPER
JET EXIT REGION WITH TRAILING COLD FRONT EXTENDING SOUTHWEST THROUGH
THE OHIO AND TENNESSEE VALLEYS AND THE WESTERN GULF EARLY WEDNESDAY.
THE FRONT SHOULD REACH THE EASTERN SEABOARD BY THE END OF THIS
PERIOD.


...SOUTHEAST STATES THROUGH MIDDLE ATLANTIC AREA...

IT IS LIKELY THAT A BAND OF CONVECTION WITH A FEW EMBEDDED STRONG TO
POSSIBLY SEVERE STORMS WILL BE ONGOING FROM KENTUCKY TO SOUTHERN
MISSISSIPPI. PRIMARY THREAT WITH THIS ACTIVITY WILL BE ISOLATED
DAMAGING WIND. LOW-LEVEL MOISTURE WITH DEWPOINTS FROM LOW 70S F NEAR
THE COAST TO NEAR 60 F OVER THE EASTERN TENNESSEE VALLEY WILL HAVE
ADVECTED THROUGH PRE-CONVECTIVE WARM SECTOR RESULTING IN A CORRIDOR
OF WEAK INSTABILITY (MLCAPE AOB 500 J/KG) IMMEDIATELY DOWNSTREAM OF
THE STORMS. TENDENCY WILL BE FOR THE LOW-LEVEL JET AND STRONGER DEEP
FORCING TO SHIFT NEWD TOWARD THE MIDDLE ATLANTIC AND AWAY FROM THE
MORE UNSTABLE PORTION OF WARM SECTOR...SO STORMS WILL ENCOUNTER
WEAKER INSTABILITY AS THEY DEVELOP EASTWARD ALONG AND JUST AHEAD OF
THE COLD FRONT WHERE LOW-LEVEL MOISTURE AND INSTABILITY WILL BE MORE
LIMITED. NEVERTHELESS...ACTIVITY WILL REMAIN EMBEDDED WITHIN STRONG
DEEP LAYER WINDS WITH SIGNIFICANT VERTICAL SHEAR AND LARGE LOW-LEVEL
HODOGRAPHS SUPPORTIVE OF A FEW EMBEDDED ORGANIZED STRUCTURES CAPABLE
OF MAINLY DAMAGING WIND. GIVEN THE LIMITING FACTORS IMPOSED BY A
WEAK THERMODYNAMIC ENVIRONMENT...WILL MAINTAIN MARGINAL RISK CATEGORY
THIS UPDATE AND CONTINUE TO MONITOR FOR A POSSIBLE SLIGHT RISK OVER
A PORTION OF THIS AREA IN DAY 1 UPDATES.

..DIAL.. 11/29/2016

Quoting 1. aquak9:

Thank you for the lunchtime update.

I'm sure that many folks would like to post but we keep getting sent back to the 360º rainbow blog.
It happened to me here, and on Rood's blog as well.

Comment #14 - I don't think that post meant what you claim it did. I believe the meaning was that humanity as a whole, will reap what it sows. Not that the People of Tennessee deserve to be burnt out of their houses....
Quoting 38. cynyc2:

It happened to me here, and on Rood's blog as well.

Comment #14 - I don't think that post meant what you claim it did. I believe the meaning was that humanity as a whole, will reap what it sows. Not that the People of Tennessee deserve to be burnt out of their houses....

Totally. But on a related note, what does everyone think of 360 degree rainbows?



Pretty cool, right?
If you've been following my posts, you know I've been warning of major climate change events here in the U.S. all year long. We've now had the epic floods in West Virginia, Maryland, Louisiana, and parts of the southeast. Now an epic drought and firestorm in the southern Appalachians. As I've been saying, climate change is not some far-flung event that will only affect some distant third world country. No, it's here. And it's here to stay. I would continue to urge everybody to stockpile water, food, and weapons. You need to be prepared for a total and complete failure of crops, and resultant societal collapse as soon as next year. Remember the Dust Bowl happened at 310 ppm, what do you think would happen with similar weather patterns at 400+ ppm?
Quoting 38. cynyc2:

Comment #14 - I don't think that post meant what you claim it did. I believe the meaning was that humanity as a whole, will reap what it sows. Not that the People of Tennessee deserve to be burnt out of their houses....

That's the fix we're in.
'the people' is rather unparseable.
None of us wishes any individual anywhere to actually reap what humanity has sown.
This, however, is not where thinking must quit.
Here, thinking begins.
We have to come together and fill something of that hollow concept, 'the people'.
It is us who have to insure against and/or solve the problem or the problem will solve itself without us.
Spread the word, educate.
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Remnant of Otto.
Quoting 6. VAstorms:

Unfortunately, this is also reap what you sow. This area is populated with folks who accept the notion that climate change is a hoax perpetrated by the Chinese. These events are becoming more common with the actual effects of climate change are here now not some time in the distant future. Maybe we need to be talking about that and quit focusing on 2050 or 2100, dates that are meaningless to current generations. We are rapidly running out of time and don't seem to have the willpower to mitigate the problem. We will have an administration in place that doesn't even believe in the science at a critical tipping point in the evolution of climate change. I the "D" enjoys being mourner in chief as he will have lots of opportunity to do so.
How about a prayer for these people instead of wishing them harm because some of them may not believe the same as you about some things?
Quoting 40. Mediarologist:


Totally. But on a related note, what does everyone think of 360 degree rainbows?



Pretty cool, right?


On Venus, that would be cool. On earth, that's downright hot.
Quoting 14. SouthMississippi:

I can't believe you would even post something so ridiculous as this. To say that somehow these folks "reap what you sow" because they live in a more conservative area of the country, where most folks are not keen to the entire Global Warming story. That they somehow deserve this for their belief?
I'm not sure how the OP's comment could have been misconstrued as saying people "deserve" the fire or the damage. I think the point being made was that people who repeatedly and blindly vote against their own best interests shouldn't be surprised when those best interests are threatened. That's all. Look at it this way: no one "deserves" lung cancer--but if you smoke three packs a day for 50 years despite a thousand doctors screaming at you to quit, don't bother asking, "Why is this happening to me?" when you develop a carcinoma. You already know the answer...
Quoting 41. ClimateChange:

If you've been following my posts, you know I've been warning of major climate change events here in the U.S. all year long. We've now had the epic floods in West Virginia, Maryland, Louisiana, and parts of the southeast. Now an epic drought and firestorm in the southern Appalachians. As I've been saying, climate change is not some far-flung event that will only affect some distant third world country. No, it's here. And it's here to stay. I would continue to urge everybody to stockpile water, food, and weapons. You need to be prepared for a total and complete failure of crops, and resultant societal collapse as soon as next year. Remember the Dust Bowl happened at 310 ppm, what do you think would happen with similar weather patterns at 400+ ppm?
Good post. What types of weapons do you suggest?
Quoting 48. Neapolitan:

I'm not sure how the OP's comment could have been misconstrued as saying people "deserve" the fire or the damage. I think the point being made was that people who repeatedly and blindly vote against their own best interests shouldn't be surprised when those best interests are threatened. That's all. Look at it this way: no one "deserves" lung cancer--but if you smoke three packs a day for 50 years despite a thousand doctors screaming at you to quit, don't bother asking, "Why is this happening to me?" when you develop a carcinoma. You already know the answer...

agreed, I don't understand why a number of people are getting upset over the OP's comment. He didn't say anyone deserved anything.
Quoting 50. pipelines:


agreed, I don't understand why a number of people are getting upset over the OP's comment. He didn't say anyone deserved anything.
I read it as they deserve what they are getting because they believe climate change is a hoax. Do you read it a different way?
Quoting 46. Kenfa03:

How about a prayer for these people instead of wishing them harm because some of them may not believe the same as you about some things?
Nobody wishes anyone harm. Methinks you read between the lines of between the lines - hmmm, is that 2 standard deviations of between the lines???
Quoting 46. Kenfa03:

How about a prayer for these people instead of wishing them harm because some of them may not believe the same as you about some things?


How about an acknowledgement that climate deniers - in their collective belief- have condemned the rest of us to doom?

Prayer is not going to stop what's coming.
Quoting 40. Mediarologist:


Totally. But on a related note, what does everyone think of 360 degree rainbows?



Pretty cool, right?


All rainbows are 360 deg. The only thing is that usually you can't see the other half under ground.
Quoting 49. Kenfa03:

Good post. What types of weapons do you suggest?
.22 rimfire rifle is all you really need for survival. A shotgun/pistol/long rifle if you want to keep the .22
...20Z UPDATE...
CONFIDENCE HAS INCREASED IN A NARROW CORRIDOR OF RELATIVELY HIGHER
STRONG TORNADO POTENTIAL ACROSS NORTHERN AND CENTRAL MS THIS EVENING
INTO THE EARLY OVERNIGHT HOURS...AND A SMALL MODERATE RISK HAS BEEN
INTRODUCED WITHIN THE BROADER ENHANCED RISK ACROSS THE LOWER MS
VALLEY. MULTIPLE STRONG TORNADOES APPEAR LIKELY ACROSS NORTHERN AND CENTRAL
MISSISSIPPI.
Quoting 51. Kenfa03:

I read it as they deserve what they are getting because they believe climate change is a hoax. Do you read it a different way?


No free pass on that comment.

It was definitely written very poorly and in bad taste with innocent people (which no one here knows their beliefs about climate change) are being negatively affected.

The first sentence is very clear.

"This area is populated with folks who accept the notion that climate change is a hoax perpetrated by the Chinese."

Can I please see the peer reviewed studies that show that the people in the affected area ( Gatlinburg, Tennessee), believe "that climate change is a hoax perpetrated by the Chinese."
Quoting 55. cynyc2:

.22 rimfire rifle is all you really need for survival. A shotgun/pistol/long rifle if you want to keep the .22
Totally agree with .22. Cheap and plentiful ammo.
The current storm reports so far this afternoon; hail in Eastern Texas and middle LA.  You can usually start to follow the dots to the East-NE from there with this pattern as the action picks up later:



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Southern Mississippi Valley sector loop
Quoting 57. Sfloridacat5:



No fee pass on that comment.

It was definitely written very poorly and in bad taste with innocent people (which no one here knows their beliefs about climate change) are being negatively affected.

The first sentence is a very clear.

"This area is populated with folks who accept the notion that climate change is a hoax perpetrated by the Chinese."

Can I please see the peer reviewed studies that show that the people in the affected area believe "that climate change is a hoax perpetrated by the Chinese."
Now be fair by being accurate; the OP didn't say the people in the affected area believe that climate change is a hoax perpetrated by the Chinese"; he said that they accept that it is. That's a critical difference. And to remove any doubt as to whether the majority of those people accept it, no peer-reviewed research is needed; one need look no further than this three-week-old election map:



But rather than argue the semantics of what the OP wrote, let's instead deal head-on with what's happening to our atmosphere, and why, and how best to fix the problem. For we, the citizens of this planet--including, yes, the good but currently bedeviled people of Eastern Tennessee--are in very dire straits, and something has got to be done. Now.
A backyard garden, video and motion detectors around the house, concrete bunker-basement under the house, the Walther PPK with the concealed permit with the AR-15 for backup in my case; and an old rusty replica Samurai sword and a pair of nun-chucks for really close quarters (left-overs from my Bruce Lee wanna-be days).........................................
Quoting 49. Kenfa03:

Good post. What types of weapons do you suggest?


I would say a handgun at the bare minimum. In the event of a societal collapse, you need something to defend your household. The people who failed to adequately prepare for the collapse would be looking to steal food and water you had stockpiled. A few well-placed booby traps might be advisable as well, but I would research the legality of such devises prior to installation. As long as they are non-lethal traps and installed inside your home, I doubt there would be any legal ramifications (although you might need to tread especially careful if you have invited guests, police, or other emergency personnel present in your home).
GATLINBURG, Tenn. — A historic wildfire continued to burn in Gatlinburg on Tuesday, destroying hundreds of homes and businesses and forcing the evacuation of thousands of residents.
About 100 homes have been damaged or destroyed by flames from spreading wildfires, state emergency officials said. More than 14,000 people were evacuated from Gatlinburg alone, with hundreds of them seeking refuge in emergency shelters.
About a half to three-fourths of an inch of "beneficial rain" fell in the Gatlinburg area overnight, National Weather Service meteorologist Sam Roberts said, which has "significantly reduced the fires" there. An additional inch of helpful rain is expected later Tuesday and early Wednesday, Roberts said.
The Sevier County Emergency Management Agency indicated that the Westgate Resorts, made up of more than 100 buildings, had been destroyed, and Black Bear Falls was believed to have lost every cabin.
The agency also said that Ober Gatlinburg had been destroyed, but the amusement park and ski resort posted on its Facebook page just after 9 a.m. ET that "our property is okay," and the Tennessee Emergency Management Agency said a video appears to show the facility is unburned.
"We are relieved to know this important Tennessee destination is still there," the state agency said in an update.
Tennessee Emergency Management Agency reported earlier it knew of no fatalities, however, three burn victims were being treated at Vanderbilt University Medical Center. All three were listed in critical condition, said a spokesman for the hospital.
However, Hillbilly Golf, major hotels, a good portion of Regan Drive and countless other businesses and homes were some of the buildings destroyed in the blaze that had firefighters working throughout the night.
"The centre of Gatlinburg looks good for now," said Newmansville Volunteer Fire Department Lt. Bobby Balding. "It's the apocalypse on both sides (of downtown)."
Gatlinburg sits on the edge of Great Smoky Mountains National Park.
Most of Arrowmont School of Arts and Crafts survived the fire. Fire did destroy two buildings at the longtime crafts campus in downtown Gatlinburg.
Thirty structures were on fire in Gatlinburg, including the Park Vista Hotel, a 16-storey hotel and the Driftwood Apartment complex near the Park Vista that has "been completely inundated," said Dean Flener, spokesman for Tennessee Emergency Management Agency, in Nashville.
Initial reports from fire officials said Pi Beta Phi, an elementary school, had been destroyed. It was not.
The Space Needle and many of the properties on the main stretch are intact. Regan Drive, however, has been hard hit, according to fire crews.
Orebank Assistant Fire Chief Bradley Collins said several hotels in Gatlinburg and many houses have burned.
"It was devastating. We've seen some nice homes burning."
Ryan Holt, Greene County Volunteer Fire Department coordinator, said his agency rescued three motorists who were trapped in the area in which Gatlinburg Falls, a major cabin rental company, is located. Holt said the entire area around Gatlinburg Falls was burning.
Hillbilly Golf, which is at the entrance of Gatlinburg, also was destroyed in the fire, according to firefighters.
Firefighters said the Cobbly Nob community had been heavily damaged. Evacuations were ordered but firefighters worried some residents might have been trapped.
Local officials ordered mandatory evacuations for Mynatt Park, Park Vista, Ski Mountain and the city of Gatlinburg on Monday. Evacuations also were ordered for the north end of Pigeon Forge.
The National Guard plans to deploy personnel to help clear debris, but no timeline has been set for their arrival, Flener, of Tennessee Emergency Management Agency, said.

Sara Gentry, director of sales at Westgate Smoky Mountain Resort in Gatlinburg, said several hundred people were evacuated from the hotel and she and her four children evacuated their home and headed to Dandridge to her sister's house. The number of evacuees probably would have been higher had it been the weekend, she noted.
She said she's been talking to co-workers and friends who have lost their homes to the fire.
"This one girl was driving down Ski Mountain (Road) and watching her home burn," said Gentry. "My kids' friends have lost their homes. It's just awful."
Many evacuees went to shelters in Pigeon Forge, Tenn.
“We knew we had power here and some places were losing power. We knew we had restrooms and water and a safe place to house people and give them a place to go — that’s why we opened up,” said Phil Campbell, the facilities manager at the LeConte Event Center in Pigeon Force. The facility took in 300 to 400 people Monday night.
He said he expects even more to show up.
Allen Sheets, with the American Red Cross out of Knoxville, Tenn., said the number of people at the shelter is expected to increase as trolleys and buses continue to pull up with residents.
Late Monday night Sheets said a group of approximately 200 was gathered at the Pigeon Forge Community Center.
Early Tuesday morning Sheets said cots were on the way, but blankets, food and clothes are needed. He said Wal-Mart just made a large donation, and other businesses have been helping throughout the night.
Katie Brittian, manager at the Dress Barn near the LeConte Center, said, "(The sky) was brown. The whole store smelled like smoke. Ash has been falling from the sky since 3."
Contributing: Doyle Rice, USA TODAY, Holly Fletcher, The Tennessean and The Associated Press. Follow Amy J. Vellucci and Jamie Satterfield on Twitter: @AmyVellucci and @jamiescoop
Catastrophic Fire Hits Southeast Tennessee Homes and Resorts.
Quoting 60. Neapolitan:

Now be fair by being accurate; the OP didn't say the people in the affected area believe that climate change is a hoax perpetrated by the Chinese"; he said that they accept that it is. That's a critical difference. And to remove any doubt as to whether the majority of those people accept it, no peer-reviewed research is needed; one need look no further than this three-week-old election map:



But rather than argue the semantics of what the OP wrote, let's instead deal head-on with what's happening to our atmosphere, and why, and how best to fix the problem. For we, the citizens of this planet--including, yes, the good but currently bedeviled people of Eastern Tennessee--are in very dire straits, and something has got to be done. Now.


Dear lord....

What people don't seem to grasp is that just because the majority of the state is "Red", it doesn't mean those folks don't believe climate change isn't real.

It just means that they don't really give a damn; in other words, they're not all-consumed by it. They don't wake up every day, and eat, breathe and excrete climate change. They care about their pocketbooks; they care about work. Climate change is not anywhere near the top of the list of things that keep them up at night. Blast me if you will, but it's the truth.

Quoting 57. Sfloridacat5:



No free pass on that comment.

It was definitely written very poorly and in bad taste with innocent people (which no one here knows their beliefs about climate change) are being negatively affected.

The first sentence is very clear.

"This area is populated with folks who accept the notion that climate change is a hoax perpetrated by the Chinese."

Can I please see the peer reviewed studies that show that the people in the affected area ( Gatlinburg, Tennessee), believe "that climate change is a hoax perpetrated by the Chinese."


You got me all curious. :)
It looks to me like despite the fact that most people in that area accept current climate science, they still voted for the guy claiming that it is all a "chinese hoax".


AGW survey source

Sevier County election results



2016 election results for Sevier County, TN
TRUMP/PENCE (REP) 78.33%

Public Opinion Estimates, Sevier County, TN (Tennessee), 2014
BELIEFS
Global warming is happening
No 20%
Yes 60%

Global warming is caused mostly by human activities
Natural changes 36%
Human activities 48%

Most scientists think global warming is happening
There is a lot of disagreement 36%
Yes 39%

RISK PERCEPTIONS
Worried about global warming
Not Worried 48%
Worried 52%

Global warming is already harming people in the US
25+ years/Never 58%
Now/Within 10 years 41%

Global warming will harm me personally
Little/Not at all 55%
Great/Moderate Amount 32%

Global warming will harm people in the US
Little/Not at all 40%
Great/Moderate Amount 48%

Global warming will harm people in developing countries
Little/Not at all 36%
Great/Moderate Amount 49%

Global warming will harm future generations
Little/Not at all 28%
Great/Moderate Amount 58%

POLICY SUPPORT
Fund research into renewable energy sources
Oppose 23%
Support 76%

Regulate CO2 as a pollutant
Oppose 26%
Support 74%

Set strict CO2 limits on existing coal-fired power plants
Oppose 38%
Support 61%

Require utilities to produce 20% electricity from renewable sources
Oppose 39%
Support 60%

A carbon tax if refunded to every American household
Oppose 26%
Support 40%









thoughts and prayers as they say to the people of TN. maybe they just might understand that the climate is changing and its not a liberal hoax to make them all get gay married and convert to islam. its ashamed that it will take many more incidents like this to make people admit that there is a problem and we better get moving to solve it.... right after we investigate more clinton emails and build that wall.........
just stop it
it is what it is and what it will become
its up to free will no one can interfere with an individuals free will
but over time it can change the outlook that individual has
and so it shall
speed test
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Test @ 1:44PM on 11/29
Quoting 26. ChiThom:



I did not mean it to come out the way it did but I get sick of climate change deniers who are in areas most affected. Do the Inuit people deserve anything flooding, nope. Do the people on islands in the Pacific deserve it,nope. Do they deserve it in Tennessee, nope. But they have to stop denying facts and making their own so we can mitigate this. Is it always people with the least carbon footprint. That is also a nope as the damage is in those areas as much as any. Did not intend that anyone deserves anything but if you continue to deny, you are putting your head in the sand and that doesn't work for ostriches either. Many other countries have put climate change on the top of their agenda. Not us.
Quoting 41. ClimateChange:

If you've been following my posts, you know I've been warning of major climate change events here in the U.S. all year long. We've now had the epic floods in West Virginia, Maryland, Louisiana, and parts of the southeast. Now an epic drought and firestorm in the southern Appalachians. As I've been saying, climate change is not some far-flung event that will only affect some distant third world country. No, it's here. And it's here to stay. I would continue to urge everybody to stockpile water, food, and weapons. You need to be prepared for a total and complete failure of crops, and resultant societal collapse as soon as next year. Remember the Dust Bowl happened at 310 ppm, what do you think would happen with similar weather patterns at 400+ ppm?


Do you have a source that attributes the dust bowl events of the 1930s to C02 and AGW. It's generally considered to be a combination of bad land use and the occasional multiyear droughts which have been a part of the climate of the Great Plains for several hundred years.
Quoting 78. Skyepony:

Wrote a blog: Gatlinburg Fire Aftermath: What Made It & What Burnt
prayers for the folks having to deal with these awful fires,especially those hurt or have lost everything.
About this part:
Quoting 76. VAstorms:
Many other countries have put climate change on the top of their agenda. Not us.
Not really. A few have taken action, like Costa Rica, but words and deeds depart company across much of the world's Paris Accords signatories. For instance, @KevinClimate tweets "UK delay in ratifying Paris reflects @Conservatives Govt dismissal of climate change so evident in their domestic policies @BarryGardiner".

What Nash36 describes suggests the gulf between saying and doing because even those people who talk a lot about climate change are not necessarily following up with action. Maybe they themselves are cynical about the prospects that their individual actions will amount to anything. All I know is that the response of people like Michael Mann is quite tepid when it comes to the need to curtail flying. There seems to be an expectation that Santa Claus will visit and give us everything we want for Christmas.
Quoting 72. KEEPEROFTHEGATE:

speed test
Blogs were terrible today keeper not just this one ok.
stay alert and safe folks............................................. ...DAY 1 CONVECTIVE OUTLOOK
NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
0158 PM CST TUE NOV 29 2016

VALID 292000Z - 301200Z

...THERE IS A MDT RISK OF SVR TSTMS ACROSS PARTS OF NORTHERN AND
CENTRAL MISSISSIPPI...

...THERE IS AN ENH RISK OF SVR TSTMS FROM EASTERN LOUISIANA TO
NORTHWESTERN ALABAMA AND SOUTHERN MIDDLE TENNESSEE...

...THERE IS A SLGT RISK OF SVR TSTMS ELSEWHERE FROM SOUTHEAST TEXAS
TO SOUTH-CENTRAL KENTUCKY AND CENTRAL/NORTHERN ALABAMA...

...THERE IS A MRGL RISK OF SVR TSTMS SURROUNDING THE SLIGHT RISK...

...SUMMARY...
SCATTERED SEVERE STORMS ARE EXPECTED MAINLY THIS EVENING AND TONIGHT
ACROSS PARTS OF THE LOWER MISSISSIPPI VALLEY AND ADJACENT GULF
COASTAL AREAS...EXTENDING NORTHEASTWARD INTO TENNESSEE AND KENTUCKY.
MULTIPLE STRONG TORNADOES APPEAR LIKELY ACROSS NORTHERN AND CENTRAL
MISSISSIPPI. DAMAGING WINDS...ISOLATED LARGE HAIL...AND AND A FEW
TORNADOES WILL ALL BE POSSIBLE ACROSS THE REMAINDER OF THESE
REGIONS.

...20Z UPDATE...
CONFIDENCE HAS INCREASED IN A NARROW CORRIDOR OF RELATIVELY HIGHER
STRONG TORNADO POTENTIAL ACROSS NORTHERN AND CENTRAL MS THIS EVENING
INTO THE EARLY OVERNIGHT HOURS...AND A SMALL MODERATE RISK HAS BEEN
INTRODUCED WITHIN THE BROADER ENHANCED RISK ACROSS THE LOWER MS
VALLEY. THERE STILL REMAINS SOME UNCERTAINTY IN THE EXACT PLACEMENT
OF THE STRONGEST WINDS ASSOCIATED WITH LOW-LEVEL JET IN LATEST
SHORT-TERM GUIDANCE...BUT LARGE CLOCKWISE-TURNING HODOGRAPHS AND
SUFFICIENT INSTABILITY WILL BE FAVORABLE FOR DISCRETE SUPERCELL
STRUCTURES AND STRONG LOW-LEVEL ROTATION ACROSS NORTHERN/CENTRAL MS...
MAINLY IN THE 00-04Z TIME FRAME. CONSENSUS OF RECENT
CONVECTION-ALLOWING MODEL GUIDANCE INDICATES ACTIVITY WILL LIKELY
DEVELOP NORTHEASTWARD FROM ONGOING STRONG TO SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS IN
NORTHERN LA/SOUTHERN AR INTO MS...WITH LOW-LEVEL MOISTURE RAPIDLY
MOVING NORTHWARD (CHARACTERIZED BY SURFACE DEWPOINTS IN THE UPPER
60S TO LOWER 70S). AFTER ABOUT 04Z...INCREASING CONVECTIVE COVERAGE
SUGGESTS THE SEVERE RISK MAY TRANSITION TO MORE OF A DAMAGING WIND
THREAT...ALTHOUGH ISOLATED TORNADOES WILL REMAIN POSSIBLE INTO
WESTERN AL OVERNIGHT. NO OTHER CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE TO THE
OUTLOOK.

..GLEASON/THOMPSON.. 11/29/2016
this from Accuweather......................................M ultiple tornadoes have touched down in Louisiana & Mississippi.
Radar: http://ow.ly/vt2Y306EcJU
Latest warnings: http://ow.ly/tiJd306EcL3
Quoting 67. OKsky:



But Hillary Clinton was going to be the one to save the environment?

I'm not a Trump voter and some of his statements about climate change are indeed troubling. But the CO2 problem won't be cured by simply voting in the Democrat for President either.

It's complicated, but the problem is both major parties love power and believe a few powerful people in D.C. can change things for the better by forcing their agenda centrally from the top down, but that's not how good leadership works. That method has tried and failed plenty enough times to show it doesn't work.
JeffMasters has created a new entry.
It's really sad to see the results in Gatlinburg Tennessee. I've vacationed to a nearby area before so it's tough to see.

Unfortunately, climate models have well predicted patterns that get "stuck" which can lead to record streaks of drought and flooding in different areas. We keep seeing this far too often for "I told you so" to do justice.


Anyways, there are some really nasty super cells breaking out across the Southern Mississippi valley. Models have done a good job forecasting this event.
Quoting 84. Jedkins01:



But Hillary Clinton was going to be the one to save the environment?

I'm not a Trump voter and some of his statements about climate change are indeed troubling. But the CO2 problem won't be cured by simply voting in the Democrat for President either.

It's complicated, but the problem is both major parties love power and believe a few powerful people in D.C. can change things for the better by forcing their agenda centrally from the top down, but that's not how good leadership works. That method has tried and failed plenty enough times to show it doesn't work.

You might have a point... not sure honestly. However, giving illiterate people vast amounts of power is probably not the best way to go, imo.
Quoting 66. nash36:

Dear lord....

What people don't seem to grasp is that just because the majority of the state is "Red", it doesn't mean those folks don't believe climate change isn't real.

It just means that they don't really give a damn; in other words, they're not all-consumed by it.
I would imagine being awakened in the middle of the night and forced to flee is a pretty "all-consuming" thing.
Quoting 66. nash36:

They don't wake up every day, and eat, breathe and excrete climate change.
I would imagine not. But they were certainly awake last night thinking about some of its more extreme effects, don't you think?
Quoting 66. nash36:

They care about their pocketbooks
Indeed. And the way I hear it, rebuilding after a devastating fire can be very expensive.
Quoting 66. nash36:

...they care about work.
Most of us do. I just sincerely hope the place they work didn't burn to the ground last night so they still have a job.
Quoting 66. nash36:

Climate change is not anywhere near the top of the list of things that keep them up at night.
On most nights, you'd probably be right. But I bet you a bunch of folks in the affected areas didn't sleep a lot last night...
Quoting 80. bappit:

...All I know is that the response of people like Michael Mann is quite tepid when it comes to the need to curtail flying....
Oh, that old saw? Right. And my physician smokes, so cigarettes don't cause cancer.

Got it.

Sigh.

Denialists really need to get another playbook; their old one is worn out.
Quoting 66. nash36:



Dear lord....

What people don't seem to grasp is that just because the majority of the state is "Red", it doesn't mean those folks don't believe climate change isn't real.

It just means that they don't really give a damn; in other words, they're not all-consumed by it. They don't wake up every day, and eat, breathe and excrete climate change. They care about their pocketbooks; they care about work. Climate change is not anywhere near the top of the list of things that keep them up at night. Blast me if you will, but it's the truth.




Yes, let's all wait until the cancer reaches stage IV before we go see a doctor. :P

If no one can be bothered with planning for and dealing with long term threats to our sustainability and survival, then collectively our time here will be rather short.
Anyone else think it's strange we have western North America style fire in the east?
92. Kumo
Actually...

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/many-m ore-republicans-now-believe-in-climate-change/

http://www.eenews.net/assets/2016/04/27/document_ cw_01.pdf

and that number is probably even higher now, I would venture to estimate in the low 50's. It seems like a big chunk of Republicans don't agree with him, so why did they all vote for Trump?

I am a lifelong registered Independent voter and plan to stay that way, so I will leave that question for the rest of you to think about and answer.

VAstorms, you use a computer to get on the Internet. The electricity used to power that computer no doubt adds to your own carbon footprint. You either drove in a car to pick it up from a store or had someone drive a fossil fuel powered vehicle to deliver it to your home. The packaging materials used for the computer more than likely were created by factories needing electicity from fossil fuels. The components of the PC were no doubt created in the same way.

I can go on and on with this, but at the end of the day, unless you are living completely off the grid and shun all outside forms of human contact, we are all guilty as sin. Political affiliation has no bearing on who is the most guilty of climate change, because again we all contribute to it.

So, what do you plan to do to fix the problem of our excessive carbon pollution?

Quoting 6. VAstorms:

Unfortunately, this is also reap what you sow. This area is populated with folks who accept the notion that climate change is a hoax perpetrated by the Chinese. These events are becoming more common with the actual effects of climate change are here now not some time in the distant future. Maybe we need to be talking about that and quit focusing on 2050 or 2100, dates that are meaningless to current generations. We are rapidly running out of time and don't seem to have the willpower to mitigate the problem. We will have an administration in place that doesn't even believe in the science at a critical tipping point in the evolution of climate change. I the "D" enjoys being mourner in chief as he will have lots of opportunity to do so.

Quoting 71. KEEPEROFTHEGATE:

just stop it
it is what it is and what it will become
its up to free will no one can interfere with an individuals free will
but over time it can change the outlook that individual has
and so it shall

There is no "free will". That is the brain's way of accepting evaluations of cultural and environmental imputs from experience. The brain will then decide the next action based on prior experience. Ref: Jerry Conye, PhD, U Chicago.Link