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At Least 18 Killed in Midwinter Tornado Outbreak

By: Bob Henson 1:27 PM GMT on January 23, 2017

After the least-deadly year for U.S. tornadoes in three decades, 2017 is off to a troublesome start. At least 18 people died over the weekend in two consecutive nights of tornadoes across the Deep South, compared to the total of 17 fatalities recorded for the entire year of 2016. Although midwinter outbreaks don’t happen every year in the United States, they’re most likely to be across the South when they do occur. Many of the deadliest tornadoes in these outbreaks happen overnight, when residents may be caught asleep or otherwise unaware and when getting to shelter can be difficult. The high proportion of manufactured/mobile homes across the South adds to the vulnerability of residents.


Figure 1. Among the structures damaged by a tornado that moved through Albany, GA, on Sunday, Jan. 22, 2017, was this gas station. Image credit: AP Photo/Branden Camp.


Figure 2. Winds at jet-stream level (250 mb, or about 34,000 feet) show a strong upper-level trough over the lower Mississippi Valley at 7:00 pm EST Sunday, Jan. 22, 2017 (00Z Monday). An unusually strong surface low of 989 mb was located over far north Georgia. Image credit: tropicaltidbits.com.

This past weekend’s activity was fed by a powerful disturbance rolling through the polar jet stream atop very sultry air for midwinter at ground level. Jacksonville, FL, set a record high of 84°F on Saturday, and air with dew points well above 70°F streamed onshore through the weekend.

The severe weather occurred in three distinct rounds, as shown in the satellite loop embedded at bottom.

--A pre-dawn supercell tore across southeast Mississippi and southwest Alabama early Saturday. Five tornadoes were reported. The most extensive damage occurred in and near Hattiesburg, MS, around 4:00 am CST by a long-track tornado (31 miles), a half-mile wide at its peak, that was rated EF3 on the enhanced Fujita intensity scale. This tornado produced 4 deaths and 56 injuries, according to the National Weather Service office in Jackson, MS. Insured damages are likely to top $200 million in Hattiesburg alone, Insurance Commissioner Mike Chaney said. Just four years ago, on February 10, 2013, Hattiesburg was extensively damaged by an EF4 twister that caused more than 80 injuries in two counties.


Figure 3. The William Carey University's School of Business on Saturday, Jan. 21, 2007, after it was damaged by a pre-dawn tornado that moved through Hattiesburg, MS. Image credit: AP Photo/Rogelio V. Solis.

--A more extended, widespread round of 31 tornadoes occurred from midday Saturday into Sunday morning. The main culprits were two long-lived supercell storms, the first of which rolled from extreme eastern AL across central GA to extreme western SC from about 10 am to 4 pm EST. The second supercell tore across southern GA after midnight. Eight people were killed when a tornado ripped through a mobile home park southeast of Adel, GA, around 3:45 am EST Sunday. Two others died in the same storm a few minutes later.

--Conditions became increasingly volatile by midday Sunday, leading the NOAA Storm Prediction Center to issue a rare “high risk” outlook (its first anywhere since 2014) for parts of southeast Georgia and northern Florida. Instability was more than adequate for severe weather, and wind shear was at extreme levels, with very high storm helicity (the amount of rotation imparted to a storm by winds at various levels). By early afternoon, thunderstorms were sweeping from the Gulf of Mexico into the Florida Panhandle with well-developed rotation evident on radar, a rare occurrence along this coast. The worst storm of the day produced a tornado that ravaged a mobile home park in Albany, GA, killing at least 4 people.

The afternoon’s other thunderstorms developed so quickly and vigorously that they competed with each other, reducing the odds that another long-lived tornadic supercell would emerge. Four other tornadoes were reported on Sunday afternoon and evening, but none of them produced widespread destruction.


Figure 4. WU radar depiction from 6:35 pm EST Sunday, Jan. 22, 2017, shows a broken line of intense thunderstorms extending from coastal SC and GA well into the eastern Gulf of Mexico.

A noteworthy January for tornadoes
All told, NOAA/SPC logged more than 40 tornado reports from early Saturday through early Monday, scattered from western Louisiana to far southeast Georgia. Loosely speaking, this whole event might be considered a single outbreak, since it emerged from the same overall weather pattern. However, experts often define an outbreak as a string of tornadoes with no more than six hours of tornado-free conditions. By that standard, we could label the early-Sunday tornadoes (round #2 above) as an “outbreak”, and all three periods above as a “sequence.”

Only a few Januarys since 1950 have produced outbreaks or sequences topping this one, according to a compilation from ustornadoes.com. The reigning champion is the outbreak of January 21-23, 1999, which led to nine deaths and produced 129 tornadoes from east Texas to southern Illinois. There was one F4 tornado in that event in far northeast Arkansas, and 11 other tornadoes were given F3 ratings on the original Fujita tornado intensity scale that was in use at the time.

The nation’s deadliest individual tornadoes on record in January, as noted by weather.com, were two Arkansas twisters that each led to 55 fatalities: one in Fort Smith on January 11, 1898, and the other in Warren on January 3, 1949.

Echoes of another El-Niño-to-La-Niña winter
Through early Monday, SPC had logged a total of 91 preliminary tornado reports for the month so far. The upcoming pattern will be much less conducive to severe weather throughout the week, and perhaps all the way to the end of the month. Even so, if all or most of these reports are confirmed, this could end up as the second most active January for tornadoes since comprehensive records began in 1950, according to ustornadoes.com. The clear record-holder is January 1999, when a total of 212 tornadoes were notched.

Interestingly, the twister-packed January of 1999 occurred during a moderately strong La Niña event that was in place one year after the record-setting 1997-98 El Niño event. Similarly, we’re now one year past the comparably strong 2015-16 El Niño event, and again experiencing La Niña, albeit a weak one. The only other “super El Niño” on par with these was in 1982-83; the following January of 1984 was very quiet tornado-wise, with only one confirmed twister. That year as a whole was quite active, though, with a devastating tornado outbreak in the Carolinas on March 28, 1984, killing 57 people and injuring more than 1000. In general, La Niña years appear to be a bit more favorable than El Niño years for early-spring tornado outbreaks, but this applies mainly to La Niña events that are at least moderately strong, which the current one isn’t. Recent work led by John Allen (now at Central Michigan University) has bolstered the idea that La Niña is more favorable than El Niño for springtime hailstorms and tornadoes.

Bob Henson


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Did not expect to see this when I checked NWS this morning:

BULLETIN - EAS ACTIVATION REQUESTED
Tornado Warning
National Weather Service OXNARD CA
506 AM PST MON JAN 23 2017

The National Weather Service in OXNARD has issued a

* Tornado Warning for...
Western Santa Barbara County in southwestern California...


* Until 600 AM PST

* At 500 AM PST, Doppler radar indicated a thunderstorm about 10
miles west of Vandenberg Air Force Base. There has been sustained
rotation with this storm, and it likely was producing a
waterspout. This waterspout is expected to come onshore as a weak
tornado at Vandenberg Air Force Base, and may affect Vandenberg
Village and Lompoc as well through 6 AM PST.

* Locations impacted include...
Lompoc, Vandenberg Air Force Base, Vandenberg Village and Mission
Hills.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

TAKE COVER NOW! Move to a basement or an interior room on the lowest
floor of a sturdy building. avoid windows. If you are in a mobile
home or outdoors, move to the closest substantial shelter and protect
yourself from flying debris.

First true color full disk image from the GOES-16 satellite.
Even though there was a devastating tornado in Georgia yesterday, the threat of multiple long track tornadoes just did not materialize. Will be interesting to read from the NWS on why they think their high risk area was so tame. Obviously the word tame is relative to the large area of high risk.

Also, models did a great job forecasting this system 5-6 days out. Great to see.

Quoting 21. VAbeachhurricanes:

Could be a severe weather outbreak over the SE Sunday into Monday.








Thanks for the new entry!
I just posted this at the end of the last blog:



Short good morning hello from deeply frozen (but sunny) Germany with lowest temps last night in the south at -19,7C (-3,5F), and around -11C (12,2F) at my parent's near Frankfurt. I'm still away from home, so not much posting, but I noticed the severe and unfortunately deadly weather in the US the last day and night. Sympathies!

Here an update on the former blog topic:
Snow and singing: How avalanche survivors made it through 40 hours in hotel wreckage
The Local (Italy), Jan 23
Survivors of Italy's avalanche disaster have recounted how they ate snow to stay hydrated and sang to keep their spirits up while huddling in pitch black, cramped cavities in the mangled wreckage of the Hotel Rigopiano.
Their traumatic tales emerged as rescuers said on Monday morning they hoped to find some of the 23 people still unaccounted for, more than 48 hours after they last detected signs of life in the icy ruins. ...


Still very wild weather in the western and central Mediterranean:

Current IR loop.


One dead as rain wreaks havoc in southern Italy

The Local (Italy), Jan 23
Catania (Sicily) is on high alert after torrential rain caused havoc across the region on Sunday afternoon and into Monday. At least one person has been reported dead and several families evacuated from their homes due to the extreme weather. ...
In some areas, over 200 mililitres of rain fell in less than 12 hours ...


Elsewhere:
New Zealand hit by 'weather bomb' bringing summer snow and flooding
Severe low caused heavy rain and gales and resulted in large dumps of snow in the middle of the southern summer
The Guardian, Monday 23 January 2017 03.46 GMT
Thank You Mr. Henson; a tragic event for the South and two points I am carrying over from my earlier posts on the old Blog.

First, I hope that this event, where the deaths mostly occurred in mobile home parks, spurs some conversation with local emergency managers about the possibility of doing a hurricane type, temporary shelter program, where they mobilize local buses (school or otherwise), issue evacuation orders for mobile home park residents (if the park does not have a designated storm shelter) and come through and offer rides to those who do not feel safe in their homes to a local shelter such as a school or church. Might be difficult to pull off given the relative short notice of worsening conditions (resulting in a PDS yesterday) but if you have at least 24 hour notice of a significant tornadic threat issued by SPC for a particular region, perhaps you could get the word out and encourage folks in mobile housing the option of going (or being taken) to a local shelter to ride out the event..............More cost effective than sheltering for a hurricane as it would be a short-term situation.

Secondly, and notiing the Enterprise, AL tornado in March 2007, that killed 8 students when it hit their school, that the dynamics of that Road 84 corridor, from Alabama to Georgia (through Albany and Adelle, GA where some deaths occurred yesterday) has spawned some very strong high end tornadoes over the past several year. Don't know what dynamics might be in place here but it is a frequent occurrence in this corridor when a tornadic event occurs.


And here are the reports from yesterday including the tornadoes causing the deaths in GA/AL:

yesterday Filtered Reports Graphic

Quoting 2. Supportstorm:


First true color full disk image from the GOES-16 satellite.

+++

Dan Satterfield's blog post about it: GOES-R First Image Will Be Released Tomorrow
all the warning on tv and not one touch down in central florida?
Here is a map of that State Road 84 corridor that runs from Texas all the way to what looks like Savanna; site of many strong tornadoes over the years and right through the heart of tornado (Dixie) alley:

Image result for map south georgia alabama road 84 corridor




Danger not near over, long day ahead for the NE coast.



Current long island airport:


Humidity 76%
Wind Speed NE 20 G 35 mph
Barometer 29.92 in (1013.2 mb)
Dewpoint 32F (0C)
Visibility NA
Wind Chill 29F (-2C)
Last update 23 Jan 8:54 am EST
Quoting 2. Supportstorm:


First true color full disk image from the GOES-16 satellite.


Are you sure that is 16 ?, the article says the first image won't be released until 1/24.
Quoting 10. VAbeachhurricanes:

Danger not near over, long day ahead for the NE coast.



Current long island airport:


Humidity 76%
Wind Speed NE 20 G 35 mph
Barometer 29.92 in (1013.2 mb)
Dewpoint 32�F (0�C)
Visibility NA
Wind Chill 29�F (-2�C)
Last update 23 Jan 8:54 am EST



Yep. Hope no power outages for me.
Thank goodness I don't like on the immediate south shore of Long Island. Just far enough north.
Pretty much finished adding to my blog on the Southeast severe weather. Kept a running summary of damage in there. Posted another video too, LSM got sort of too close to a tornado. It was a great example of how erratic tornado movement can be when storms move that fast.

Quoting 8. islander101010:

all the warning on tv and not one touch down in central florida?

Had a funnel cloud nearby..

1020 PM FUNNEL CLOUD 6 NNW MELBOURNE 28.15N 80.66W
01/22/2017 BREVARD FL TRAINED SPOTTER

SPOTTER REPORTS FUNNEL CLOUD NEAR LAKE WASHINGTON RD
Quoting 11. MahFL:



Are you sure that is 16 ?, the article says the first image won't be released until 1/24.

The blog post confused me at first, due to the date of the post. Maybe he posted late last night/early this morning? Regardless, if you google 'GOES-16', it's all over the news.

From WP's Capital Weather Gang: The first images from the new weather satellite just arrived, and they're absolutely incredible
Buoy off the west coast of Florida. Just west of Sarasota region.
Winds pretty consistently gusting 40-50 mph.

23 Jan 7:30 am WNW 31G40
23 Jan 7:00 am WNW 34G49
23 Jan 6:30 am W 36G45
23 Jan 6:00 am W 34G45
23 Jan 5:30 am W 36G47
23 Jan 5:00 am W 34G42
23 Jan 4:30 am W 34G45
23 Jan 4:00 am WNW 29G36
23 Jan 3:30 am W 34G42
23 Jan 3:00 am W 34G49
Weather is miserable today but we will be leaving this Seattle like weather for the Keys tomorrow morning.Nothing of significance will be happening weather wise as the pattern looks quiet for the rest of the week.
Is the plus system coming back?
Was quite the Wind event as the ULL tracked north of Se Louisiana, last evening.

We still green everywhere as Winter hasn't made but a brief appearance here so far.

This is one month.

Some extreme weather news from around the world:

Heavy wind, rain and snowstorms hit Spain, force evacuations
AP - January 22.

Over 11,000 displaced by floods in Kelantan (Malaysia)
Malay Mail Online - January 22.

Tahiti flooding: Thousands left without power after heavy rain shuts down airport, forces evacuations
ABC News - January 23 (w/video).
Heavy flooding in French Polynesia has left thousands with power, forced many residents to evacuate and closed Tahiti's international airport.

Worst wildfires in Chile in a decade
Wildfire Today - January 22.

Africa - Drought:
Drought in E. Africa leaves millions in need of aid
Deutsche Welle - January 6.
Lesson learned? An urgent call for action in the Horn of Africa, January 2017
ReliefWeb.int.
Funds urgently needed, as Southern Africa enters peak of hunger crisis
ReliefWeb/CARE - January 10.
"The Party told you to reject all evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command."

~George Orwell, 1984
Snow day #10 for local school kids (and my schoolteacher wife). An avalanche closed Hwy 89 for awhile last night; 2 vehicles were caught in it, but nobody was hurt.

If the link prompts you with a survey, scroll down and click "skip survey". Link
So this was a bust, right?

Okay then...
Quoting 22. Patrap:

"The Party told you to reject all evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command."

~George Orwell, 1984



Nah, you just haven't seen the "alternative facts" yet...;)
Already Tropical Storm force gusts on Long Island

Humidity 77%
Wind Speed NE 16 G 39 mph
Barometer 29.91 in (1012.8 mb)
Dewpoint 33F (1C)
Visibility NA
Wind Chill 32F (0C)
Last update 23 Jan 10:54 am EST
Quoting 14. LAbonbon:


The blog post confused me at first, due to the date of the post. Maybe he posted late last night/early this morning? Regardless, if you google 'GOES-16', it's all over the news.

From WP's Capital Weather Gang: The first images from the new weather satellite just arrived, and they're absolutely incredible

Bird's-eye view of Central America. (Xulon, we're watching you!)
Air pollution is back with a vengeance in parts of W Europe: (fixed) Link

Edit: Five ways to improve air quality in our cities
Deutsche Welle - January 23.
Quoting 28. RitaEvac:



Looks like a bunch of comments on that site bashing the satellite


ah, god bless the internet.
Quoting 23. oldnewmex:

Snow day #10 for local school kids (and my schoolteacher wife). An avalanche closed Hwy 89 for awhile last night; 2 vehicles were caught in it, but nobody was hurt.

If the link prompts you with a survey, scroll down and click "skip survey". Link

My favorite Snow Day song

btw, that's a LOT of snow you all have there
When I log in and click on Category 6, this blog is not listed. If you go to the blog directory, it is there.
Quoting 18. washingtonian115:

Is the plus system coming back?


Don't know but nice to see the regulars still posting on here with good and relevant comments regardless; I get the impression that many post on here because they want to see how many folks "plus" and agree with their their comments as some form of self-gratification. Would be nice to get the "1969" date issue resolved so we can keep track of recently joining trolls to avoid but I could actually do without the plus part. And we can re-quote someone if we agree or disagree with a post like has been the case.
system from weekend turns into a snow rain event for some the next 24 to 36 hrs from now



thanks for the update B
Quoting 18. washingtonian115:

Is the plus system coming back?
yes eventually
It's interesting to note that the Januarys mentioned in this article the January months that these Tornado outbreaks occurred are the ones that have had extended periods of well above normal temperatures here in the Southern states. 1949,1999, and this January for example. January 1974 was well above normal also but that January did not have any, but that was only a prelude to the Super Outbreak in early April of that same year. I do get annoyed at people in my parts when they rave about the lovely warm weather in January. Most of these same people are ignorant of what the results of unusually extended warm weather in the winter here can be. My wife and sister-in-law live very near Adel, GA and to say the least I was extremely concerned when she called me crying about the weather there. I assured her the cell that caused this had passed just to the north of them by using this great web-site's Nexrad radar. I just don't get the same people complain when we do luck up and get a good winter storm, I ask them, '' had you rather get a winter storm or had you rather get killed or get badly injured from a Tornado or have your home completely destroyed or badly damaged? They don't complain after I tell them that.
January Storm # 6 is still active with rain showers. Rainfall total mi casa thus far 3.85". Maybe a little snow today.....hope so!

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Our prayers go out to tornado victims, families, and friends.
Quoting 20. PedleyCA:

This is one month.




Some kinda nice!
California statewide snowpack currently sitting at 193% of normal for this date, with 74 stations reporting. Some weak bands moving through today, but otherwise we are done with the snowfall for at least a week. Time to dig out.
CA Regional Snowpack
Quoting 37. Oldmanwinter:

It's interesting to note that the Januarys mentioned in this article the January months that these Tornado outbreaks occurred are the ones that have had extended periods of well above normal temperatures here in the Southern states. 1949,1999, and this January for example. January 1974 was well above normal also but that January did not have any, but that was only a prelude to the Super Outbreak in early April of that same year. I do get annoyed at people in my parts when they rave about the lovely warm weather in January. Most of these same people are ignorant of what the results of unusually extended warm weather in the winter here can be. My wife and sister-in-law live very near Adel, GA and to say the least I was extremely concerned when she called me crying about the weather there. I assured her the cell that caused this had passed just to the north of them by using this great web-site's Nexrad radar. I just don't get the same people complain when we do luck up and get a good winter storm, I ask them, '' had you rather get a winter storm or had you rather get killed or get badly injured from a Tornado or have your home completely destroyed or badly damaged? They don't complain after I tell them that.


January 1974 was basically strong subtropical high in the southeast all month and not much dynamics. I was 15 and remember being amazed at the lack of cold down there though DC metro did get some cold esp in the first half. First half in the midwest was amazingly cold followed by intense warmup second half for a near normal ice blowtorch/2 average.

I don't know if there is much correlation between January warmth and the intensity of spring midwest outbreaks.

It's gratifying to see someone else that remembers January 1974.
Quoting 37. Oldmanwinter:


You have one of the coolest names on here :)
Quoting 19. Patrap:

Was quite the Wind event as the ULL tracked north of Se Louisiana, last evening.

We still green everywhere as Winter hasn't made but a brief appearance here so far.




Despite an 84 hour continuous freeze in early January, winter has been pretty milquetoast in the Mid Atlantic so far also. The number of continuous hours above freezing is really remarkable this second half of January with no freeze likely for another four days. I see a few plants breaking dormancy and grass is greening but no wholesale breakout of growth yet and this may be due to not having accumulated enough chilling hours to break dormancy, typically 700-1500 are needed depending on species for reliable budding and flowering.
Quoting 1. LAbonbon:

Did not expect to see this when I checked NWS this morning:

BULLETIN - EAS ACTIVATION REQUESTED
Tornado Warning
National Weather Service OXNARD CA
506 AM PST MON JAN 23 2017

The National Weather Service in OXNARD has issued a

* Tornado Warning for...
Western Santa Barbara County in southwestern California...


* Until 600 AM PST

* At 500 AM PST, Doppler radar indicated a thunderstorm about 10
miles west of Vandenberg Air Force Base. There has been sustained
rotation with this storm, and it likely was producing a
waterspout. This waterspout is expected to come onshore as a weak
tornado at Vandenberg Air Force Base, and may affect Vandenberg
Village and Lompoc as well through 6 AM PST.

* Locations impacted include...
Lompoc, Vandenberg Air Force Base, Vandenberg Village and Mission
Hills.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

TAKE COVER NOW! Move to a basement or an interior room on the lowest
floor of a sturdy building. avoid windows. If you are in a mobile
home or outdoors, move to the closest substantial shelter and protect
yourself from flying debris.



Amazing what some real cold air and a little instability will/can do.
Quoting 30. schwankmoe:



ah, god bless the internet.


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Back to weather folks
Given the most recent shots of rain and precip across affected parts of Conus, we could see the drought numbers fall again when the new update comes out on Thursday for parts of California as well as for the tri-state GA/TN/AL region; the severe weather aspect is never welcome but there has been plenty of rain to help with drought issues in both regions (chart below from last Thursday):

Current U.S. Drought Monitor

What a weather related destructive weekend this was. The loss of life was certainly the greatest tragedy.

I had some strong thunderstorms early Sunday and then it turned very windy. I was working on my car Sunday, even with the wind. The sun was shining with small clouds scattered around. Warm and comfortable weather for working on my car. The strangest thing that happened is that the wind was blowing 20 - 25 mph with gusts that seem to hit 30 - 35 mph. Then a sudden calm where I was appeared. The trees 100 feet away from me were still bending with the howl of the wind blowing through them, but it was completely calm where I was for 40 - 45 seconds and then the wind returned. Weird.
Snow level currently lowering...... I can look across the valley and see a dusting on the ridge off to my west. Looks to be about 4,000 foot level right now.......won't take much to get down to me at 3,500......winds picking up also.....Am into a showery type pattern with January Storm # 6 after the cold front came thru last night late......the trof and all that cold air are inbound now with numerous showers off the Pacific.....NWS Forecasters saying 1-3 inches more rain possible in mountains at lower elevations and snow above 3,500-4,000 feet.
Quoting 43. oldnewmex:

California statewide snowpack currently sitting at 193% of normal for this date, with 74 stations reporting. Some weak bands moving through today, but otherwise we are done with the snowfall for at least a week. Time to dig out.
CA Regional Snowpack


Yeah BABY!
Quoting 33. SunnyDaysFla:

When I log in and click on Category 6, this blog is not listed. If you go to the blog directory, it is there.


Thanks--we're working on this issue.
Quoting 47. HurricaneHunterJoe:



Amazing what some real cold air and a little instability will/can do.

How common/uncommon are tornadoes there?
Quoting 3. VAbeachhurricanes:

Even though there was a devastating tornado in Georgia yesterday, the threat of multiple long track tornadoes just did not materialize. Will be interesting to read from the NWS on why they think their high risk area was so tame. Obviously the word tame is relative to the large area of high risk.

Also, models did a great job forecasting this system 5-6 days out. Great to see.






The severe parameters were all there for a major tornado outbreak. It certainly wasn't hyped. If you look at severe parameters with this, it was higher than any of the major severe events that produced strong to violent tornadoes that killed a lot of people in FL such as the 1998 event. Forecasts are made based on atmospheric parameters, and the forecast did verify in that regard. Everything was similar to other high risk events elsewhere that have produced multiple strong to violent tornadoes. At this point it's tough to say why there weren't strong to violent tornadoes throughout north and Central Florida( at least from what I know so far), but I'm just glad it turned out the way it did.

Cause here in Tallahassee, traffic was busy as usual as the line came in, I talked to a lot of people that didn't know there was a potentially dangerous situation going on. If a EF3 plowed into town, we could have hundreds dead with all the people walking around and busy traffic as the severe activity came through.

Here at my place, we had a lot of down trees and power lines from strong downbursts along with some minor structural damage here and there. It could have gone so much worse.
Quoting 8. islander101010:

all the warning on tv and not one touch down in central florida?


SPC preliminary reports aren't directly related to actual results. It's simply based on when people submit reports to the website during the event. For example, there is extensive downburst damage in my area of Tallahassee such as a lot of trees and power lines down as well as a few buildings with minor damage. But none of this is on the SPC page.

The NWS offices in FL are surveying possible tornado damage right now in a number of places throughout the state, so to find out if there were tornadoes, you'll have to follow up on any potential survey reports. The only reason I can think of for why none of this is on the SPC page is that for whatever reason nobody reported any possible tornadoes, but that doesn't mean there weren't any.

I'm not exactly sure but I suspect it's because Florida will generally get less SPC reports than Oklahoma or Kansas for a severe event because it's not an area where people are in tune with reporting severe weather like in the plains states. For example, we had a severe thunderstorm event in my parents neighborhood in the Tampa Bay area a few years ago where there were a lot of trees and power lines down as well as some structural damage. It was rated a 60-70 mph downburst event, but there were no wind reports on the SPC page for that event. Many people in Florida generally only pay attention to hurricanes which might be why.
Beautiful

And on we go


9:45 a.m. shows fast moving showers across our region. A large low pressure system near the West Coast will move slowly inland today through Tuesday. Much colder air aloft will spread southward across Southern California which will increase shower coverage and intensity this afternoon. The chance for thunderstorms brings the threat of lightning and small hail. Showers will gradually decrease for tonight and Tuesday.


Rain and snow will continue today with a few thunderstorms possible. Rainfall will become increasingly focused on San Diego County through the day.


Snow levels will fall to as low as 3,500 feet today. This will bring additional snowfall to mountain areas. Be prepared for hazardous travel, chain restrictions and possible road closures.
Quoting 56. LAbonbon:


How common/uncommon are tornadoes there?


Very Very Uncommon.......When we get cold air aloft and some instability we usually get weak water spouts but on occasion an F-1 here or there usually near the coast coming off the ocean and being a former water spout. Maybe 2-3 times a winter down in my neck of the woods.
Quoting 54. HurricaneHunterJoe:



Yeah BABY!


I'm not celebrating just yet - what if we go without a storm until next fall? Or water management is really bad? Or people decide there isn't a drought and they go wild over usage? I'm cautiously optimistic but I'm happy to get the water in.
Quoting 62. CraigsIsland:



I'm not celebrating just yet - what if we go without a storm until next fall? Or water management is really bad? Or people decide there isn't a drought and they go wild over usage? I'm cautiously optimistic but I'm happy to get the water in.


Im not celebrating either.......just very happy there is a lot of snow.........Im trying to stay positive!
.DISCUSSION...FOR EXTREME SOUTHWESTERN CALIFORNIA INCLUDING ORANGE...
SAN DIEGO...WESTERN RIVERSIDE AND SOUTHWESTERN SAN BERNARDINO
COUNTIES...

...Update...

Cold upper low will be moving south today with heights falling
drastically. H5 temps to -30C will move overhead while H85 temps
fall to -1 to -2C. This will allow for more instability this
afternoon with a few thunderstorms as the cold air aloft continues
to move in. A few lightning strikes, brief heavy rain, and small
hail are expected with the thunderstorms...as just occurred in
parts of eastern OC in the Irvine/Tustin area.

Rainfall today will not be widespread as was the case yesterday.
It will be more showery in nature with cells fairly fast moving,
which will help to limit rainfall amounts. Even so, we will be
watching for heavier rainfall which could lead to flash flooding
given the recent heavy rainfall. A Flash Flood Watch remains in
effect.

Heavy snow was just reported at Phelan in SBD County at 4000 FT,
so snow levels are falling and will continue to do so today,
likely falling to around 3500 FT by late this afternoon. A Winter
Storm Warning remains in effect for the mountains. See previous
discussion below for further forecast details.
Quoting 34. weathermanwannabe:



Don't know but nice to see the regulars still posting on here with good and relevant comments regardless; I get the impression that many post on here because they want to see how many folks "plus" and agree with their their comments as some form of self-gratification. Would be nice to get the "1969" date issue resolved so we can keep track of recently joining trolls to avoid but I could actually do without the plus part. And we can re-quote someone if we agree or disagree with a post like has been the case.


The plus boxes are missing for me, and all the comments have to be expanded. Clicking the 'show all' button doesn't work and just reloads the cat6 page.
Quoting 43. oldnewmex:

California statewide snowpack currently sitting at 193% of normal for this date, with 74 stations reporting. Some weak bands moving through today, but otherwise we are done with the snowfall for at least a week. Time to dig out.
CA Regional Snowpack



May the snow and rain sink in instead of run off.
Quoting 65. MontanaZephyr:



The plus boxes are missing for me, and all the comments have to be expanded. Clicking the 'show all' button doesn't work and just reloads the cat6 page.


You think you have problems? I can't even post a comment.
Quoting 65. MontanaZephyr:



The plus boxes are missing for me, and all the comments have to be expanded. Clicking the 'show all' button doesn't work and just reloads the cat6 page.


After you hit "show all", the page will reload, and you should find that comments have been expanded when you scroll down to the bottom of the post. Let us know if this isn't the case.
Quoting 69. Grothar:



You think you have problems? I can't even post a comment.
well this one made it

sure
place has problems and issues
but at least its the off season tropical wise
hopefully by the time that season comes around
everything will be as good as new
if not sooner
I am happy that it works at least
maybe not the best but I make due for now
as things slowly come back
Quoting 70. BobHenson:



After you hit "show all", the page will reload, and you should find that comments have been expanded when you scroll down to the bottom of the post. Let us know if this isn't the case.


Negative .
The "quote" button stopped working for me.

edit--it is working again.
Quoting 72. KEEPEROFTHEGATE:

sure
place has problems and issues
but at least its the off season tropical wise
hopefully by the time that season comes around
everything will be as good as new
if not sooner
I am happy that it works at least
maybe not the best but I make due for now
as things slowly come back

1 plus
Still getting many showers in San Diego County at my location about .10-.20 per hour.

Quoting 70. BobHenson:



After you hit "show all", the page will reload, and you should find that comments have been expanded when you scroll down to the bottom of the post. Let us know if this isn't the case.


the filter changing is delayed, but eventually it lets you see all posts again when you leave the page.
please let me know if you can't see this:


Issuing Office: New York City
Source: National.Weather.Service

4:07pm EST, Mon Jan 23

... HIGH WIND WARNING NOW IN EFFECT UNTIL 6 AM EST TUESDAY... * WINDS... NORTHEAST 30 TO 40 MPH WITH GUSTS UP TO 60 MPH. GUSTS 65 TO 70 MPH POSSIBLE OVER TWIN FORKS OF LONG ISLAND. * TIMING... THE STRONGEST WINDS ARE EXPECTED TONIGHT. * HIGH WIND IMPACTS... DAMAGING WINDS WILL BLOW DOWN TREES AND POWER LINES. NUMEROUS POWER OUTAGES ARE EXPECTED. TRAVEL WILL BE DIFFICULT... ESPECIALLY FOR HIGH PROFILE VEHICLES AND ON ELEVATED ROADWAY AND BRIDGES. PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS... A HIGH WIND WARNING MEANS A HAZARDOUS HIGH WIND EVENT IS EXPECTED OR OCCURRING. SUSTAINED WIND SPEEDS OF AT LEAST 40 MPH OR GUSTS OF 58 MPH OR MORE CAN LEAD TO PROPERTY DAMAGE. &&
79. vis0
someones firing up the Mt Holly, NJ radar to read moisture depth in clouds???
Quoting 61. HurricaneHunterJoe:



Very Very Uncommon.......When we get cold air aloft and some instability we usually get weak water spouts but on occasion an F-1 here or there usually near the coast coming off the ocean and being a former water spout. Maybe 2-3 times a winter down in my neck of the woods.


First funnel cloud I saw was in Anza, and indeed sorta your neck of the woods! No idea if it touched down. I was probably 10 or 11 and we were on the way to SD from Rancho Mirage. Creeped me out though!

Happy for the snow there too! I have a lot of urban SD friends aghast at actually having flood warnings in their neighborhoods. All used to Mission Valley getting them now and again, but not local alerts!
81. vis0
if it becomes cold enough could we have the first storm to REALLY sand  the roads before the snow fell.    i see near oceanside roads/ areas receiving lots of sand from beaches in the NE drive carefully as its slick might become icy and trees are toppling inn fact i would put out a don't drive unless its an emergency bulletin  
82. vis0
hope those in the Virgina flooding of last [2016] year are not in more flooding trouble, was worried yesterday.

To me this was between 2 main LOWs (one fired up as it went over La. (Patrap mentioned it was becoming strong days ago) and a LOW that was (then) entering NW Texas.
Then a fetch off GoMx seemed to create 2 or 3 mini LOWs from Northern Mississippi/S. Arkansas to Georgia and by Sunday EVE the Eastern most LOW's moisture was leaving the NE coastline via the gulf-stream while the LOW over Texas was joining up forces with the 2 or 3 mini LOWs pinwheeling in a manner to form the bigger LOW as is slid ESE

Now it seems the energy is transferring from southern Pa/W. Virgina toward the off N Carolina LOW worst worries for NEast would be that the forming LOW off the ESE S L O W L Y curving and head back WNW therefore push-pulling lots of seawater...will not go into why such a s l o w turn and i state ( NOT an OFFICIAL forecast ) has a ~64%...

(83% the turn IN MY BOOKS, NOT OFFICIAL is wider so watch out southern Canada)

...chance as it deals with the "2wkanom" i mentioned a few days ago.


recently 433pm Monday Jan 23 2017 Bouy #44091 Bernegat NJ 21.3 feet waves at 11 secs WIND WAVES at 126.6 feet 10secs

also noticed the N/NNE cold is undercutting the moisture flow by 50-70 miles more than expected creating weird snow in eastern side of Appalachians while heavy rains on the other side
83. vis0
CAREFUL, DC to Northeast DO NOT GO OUT INTO THE NIGHT thinking the worst is over as home barometers might rise at eve/early nite THERE IS ANOTHER LOW forming off the SSE coast. Watching to see if more LOWs form off GoMx from Northwestern plain dipping LOWs fetch...
84. vis0
why is it that when WxU becomes slow i'm the only one that can post darn gremlins using my compu'r???
Quoting 78. Grothar:

please let me know if you can't see this:


Issuing Office: New York City
Source: National.Weather.Service

4:07pm EST, Mon Jan 23

... HIGH WIND WARNING NOW IN EFFECT UNTIL 6 AM EST TUESDAY... * WINDS... NORTHEAST 30 TO 40 MPH WITH GUSTS UP TO 60 MPH. GUSTS 65 TO 70 MPH POSSIBLE OVER TWIN FORKS OF LONG ISLAND. * TIMING... THE STRONGEST WINDS ARE EXPECTED TONIGHT. * HIGH WIND IMPACTS... DAMAGING WINDS WILL BLOW DOWN TREES AND POWER LINES. NUMEROUS POWER OUTAGES ARE EXPECTED. TRAVEL WILL BE DIFFICULT... ESPECIALLY FOR HIGH PROFILE VEHICLES AND ON ELEVATED ROADWAY AND BRIDGES. PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS... A HIGH WIND WARNING MEANS A HAZARDOUS HIGH WIND EVENT IS EXPECTED OR OCCURRING. SUSTAINED WIND SPEEDS OF AT LEAST 40 MPH OR GUSTS OF 58 MPH OR MORE CAN LEAD TO PROPERTY DAMAGE. &&


At first I couldn't, but then I got my glasses....

Snowing, again, here... So Anchorage, AK in 24 hours got 12". Seward, AK got 30 and Moose Pass, AK got 32" of snow. Granted it snowed for more than 24 hours over the weekend so more than that fell... In fact, in continues to fall... And s predicted to continue to fall for the next 4 days and maybe rain a little too as a Chinook wind brings temps into the low 40s...
86. vis0
NJ is getting hosed!!!
88. vis0
Quoting 85. Dakster:



At first I couldn't, but then I got my glasses....

Snowing, again, here... So Anchorage, AK in 24 hours got 12". Seward, AK got 30 and Moose Pass, AK got 32" of snow. Granted it snowed for more than 24 hours over the weekend so more than that fell... In fact, in continues to fall... And s predicted to continue to fall for the next 4 days and maybe rain a little too as a Chinook wind brings temps into the low 40s...
Is not that unusual to have such moisture rich flows in a row towards Ak? Remember folks cold is not synonymous as to snowfall.

Back to the NE USofA

i wonder if this will be the 9th time 1 in 250/500 yr storm sits the Northern Appalachians in 6 to 7 yrs.

BIG THANKs to all that made sure those under the developing LOWs/front understood the dangers of its potential...THANK YOU.

Back to the SE USofA as members collect more info as to the S/SE devastation.
89. vis0
Quoting 86. vis0:

NJ is getting hosed!!!

Quoting 87. LAbonbon:


Ya had to go and get graphic 'bout it...thank you (will be sending a large crazy read as to the colours dogs see and deeper my style info in ~3days via WxU mail)

ON THE SAD SIDE just saw 3 news stations (PIX, FOX, ABC) report on 5 DIFFERENT families from Long Island to NJ all worried how just 2 years after Sandy and they  just moved back into the repaired homes and now this.

 Its something people have to get use to if people do not act to lower the ability for the atmosphere to hold and/or more quickly recycle moisture/stored energy will mean less time being "happy" families more time rebuilding home sweet home.
vis - have you seen this briefing from NWS-NY? It's got 8 pages or so on expected coasted flooding.
Quoting 59. VAbeachhurricanes:

Beautiful



Yes beautiful and scary. My heart goes out to those who braved this. I guess it could have been worse given: "The afternoon’s other thunderstorms developed so quickly and vigorously that they competed with each other, reducing the odds that another long-lived tornadic supercell would emerge."

This weekend’s activity clearly demonstrated how climate change enables extreme weather events. In the Gulf of Mexico we have an anomalously warm ocean, and warming oceans are a signature feature of climate change. The anomalous GOM yielded a very warm and vapor-rich airmass that collided with an airmass derived from a perturbed polar jet stream - which is another signature feature of climate change.

Quoting 68. KEEPEROFTHEGATE:

look at that a whole field of projectiles
Future telephone poles of America!
Mt. Holly, NJ/Philadelphia, PA WFO – Rainbow
Enhanced Overlay Loop

click image for loop




any news tornado rateings from are out break yet ?
Scribbler writes another good one -

Abnormal Antarctic Heat, Surface Melt, Giant Cracks in Ice Shelves — More Troubling Signs of a World Tipping Toward Climate Chaos
Around its edge zone, and from glacier top to ice shelf bottom, Antarctica is melting. Above-freezing surface temperatures during the austral summer of 2016-2017 have resulted in the formation of numerous surface-melt ponds around the Antarctic perimeter. Large cracks grow through Antarctic ice shelves as warmer ocean currents melt the towering glaciers from below. The overall picture is of a critical frozen region undergoing rapid change due to the human-forced heating of our world — a warming that has brought Antarctica to a tipping point, for such fundamental alterations to Antarctic ice are now likely to bring about a quickening rate of sea-level rise the world over.

Link
In the case of Larsen B, the glaciers that fed it flowed six times faster after its demise.-

The pdf of the paper that backs this up -

Evolution of surface velocities and ice discharge of Larsen B outlet
glaciers from 1995 to 2013
Quoting 70. BobHenson:



After you hit "show all", the page will reload, and you should find that comments have been expanded when you scroll down to the bottom of the post. Let us know if this isn't the case.


It wasn't the casde earlier today, but the comments are showing properly now, thank you.
Vis - I'd like to look at historical snow fall records for Anchorage over the years. or at least major snow storms. This doesn't surprise me since it rained/drizzled for days on end in the summer. It is all "new" to me, since the last two winter here were nothing like this one.

The old timers up here just tell me, this is Alaska, nothing surprises them. Snow, no-snow. Warm, Cold, icy or not.. It can vary a lot from year to year. I obviously had no experience in that yet.
Quoting 25. ILwthrfan:



Nah, you just haven't seen the "alternative facts" yet...;)


When I watched that it took an incredible amount of self control not to put my fist through my screen.
Quoting 97. thetwilightzone:

any news tornado rateings from are out break yet ?

Survey crews were out today. Some of the suspected tornadoes in Florida were confirmed.

0639 3 WNW FAU NORTH CAMPUS PALM BEACH FL 2686 8014 EF-1 DAMAGE CONFIRMED BY SURVEY CREW. TREES SNAPPED AT TRUNKS. WINDS ESTIMATED AT 90 MPH (MFL)
0645 2 W JUNO BEACH PALM BEACH FL 2688 8009 EF-0 DAMAGE CONFIRMED BY SURVEY CREW. TREE DAMAGE. WINDS ESTIMATED AT 75-80 MPH (MFL)
0647 1 N JUNO BEACH PALM BEACH FL 2689 8006 EF-0 DAMAGE CONFIRMED BY SURVEY CREW. TREE DAMAGE. WINDS ESTIMATED AT 70 MPH (MFL)
0845 1 WNW VIRGINIA GARDENS MIAMI-DADE FL 2582 8032 EF-1 DAMAGE INDICATED BY SURVEY. DAMAGE TO WAREHOUSES ... TRUCKS ... AND SHIPPING CONTAINERS. (MFL)
0846 1 WNW MIAMI SPRINGS MIAMI-DADE FL 2582 8030 EF-1 DAMAGE INDICATED BY SURVEY TEAM. LARGE TREES TOPPLED ... ROOF AND PORCH DAMAGE TO SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES. (MFL)
0848 1 NNE MIAMI SPRINGS MIAMI-DADE FL 2583 8029 EF-1 DAMAGE INDICATED BY SURVEY TEAM. APARTMENT BUILDINGS WITH ROOF DAMAGE. (MFL)
66. MahFL


I've thought that the price of telephone poles would make a good proxy for climate change. Like eating people, beaches , roads, houses, cars, food supplies, etc. etc. It really eats telephone poles.

That's a great image by the way , it's not a forest , it's a mono-culture feeding an industrial plantation . Oddly it reminds me of our great forefathers , the Romans.

"We keep you live to serve this ship , so row well and live"

Quoting 66. MahFL:

The code in the picture says those trees are not pine trees, and upon a closer look they are not.
They are a type of eucalyptus.
Quoting 102. Xyrus2000:



When I watched that it took an incredible amount of self control not to put my fist through my screen.

It's the mushroom theory ................

"Keep them in the dark and spread lot's of horse manure on them"
Extraordinary images of snow in the Sahara at Aïn Séfra, Algeria





More pictures here. First accumulating snow in Aïn Séfra since 1979.
Old English word of the day: winter-tīd, 'winter-time', Pronounced "ween-tehr-teed"
109. vis0
i tried to read the PDF LAbonbon posted but my twitter mind set proffered this ::



and still yelling ahh! ...will read the PDF over-nite.
 

4bouys & Stormy (not a new hip group)
Buoy images are at img hosting site thus are static NOT updated. Need latest buoy info go here (NOAA), WxU might also have such a page but i don't want you to get lost at this time of the nite... ; - P



 

buoy44025


 
buoy44065


 
bouy44066


 
bouy44091


 

click to go to a 3 sec clip showing CONUS of Jan 23 2017

Quoting 102. Xyrus2000:

Now that we’re all “down the rabbit hole”. Kelly Ann Conway is surely “Alice” , in some porno rip off of the book she’s still eating mushrooms long after she gets to “Wonderland”, She paid $3600 , for a coat and a hat that made me think she was going to serve corn dogs last Friday.
111. vis0
Quoting 108. BaltimoreBrian:

Old English word of the day: winter-tīd, 'winter-time', Pronounced "ween-tehr-teed"
i find ween-tehr-teed, een-teer-steeng

...did i just hear weird lightning (~859ET/0159UTC-tue)nah it had to be nyc noise, saw no flash...might be a building generator acting up due to salts and rain corroding wires ..not good..but not lightning BUT interesting WINDS have picked up so maybe it was a gust knocking something heavy over, south of here. Am at zip10016 sound
here gro i will post it for u :)


Quoting 69. Grothar:



You think you have problems? I can't even post a comment.
NSW heatwave: Records tumble in Moree, while Sydney set to swelter with top of 40C

The town's residents have sweltered through 27 consecutive days where the temperature has exceeded 35 degrees Celsius — a state record.
111. vis0

Every time I read one of your comments , (which I don't regularly do) , I feel much better about myself. And I'm crazy as fruit bat .
109 - vis0 - can't see the buoy images, but then again I can no longer see most of the images in Henson's blog post either.

I'm comparing high tide times and forecast water levels for different locations. Using this and corresponding hydrographs for locations mentioned in the briefing.


(Source)
Arctic melt ponds form when meltwater clogs ice pores
Date:
January 23, 2017
Source:
University of Utah
Summary:
A team of researchers, including a mathematician, has determined how Arctic melt ponds form, solving a paradoxical mystery of how a pool of water actually sits atop highly porous ice.

Link
Quoting 113. AussieStorm:

NSW heatwave: Records tumble in Moree, while Sydney set to swelter with top of 40C

The town's residents have sweltered through 27 consecutive days where the temperature has exceeded 35 degrees Celsius — a state record.

Rob Taggart from the Bureau of Meteorology said the string of sweaty weather in Moree was unprecedented, even for summer.
Quoting 117. RobertWC:


Rob Taggart from the Bureau of Meteorology said the string of sweaty weather in Moree was unprecedented, even for summer.

By the time the Climate 2.0 "upgrade" to 2.5 is completed it will be totally outdated and it will be time for another revision. Maybe better jump ahead to 3.5. (The designator is the degrees C that version is rated for.)
109 - vis0 - now I can see all but one of your images (the 2nd one). Weird. And the buoy info link in your post links back to the Cat 6 page.
Quoting 107. BaltimoreBrian:

Extraordinary images of snow in the Sahara at Aïn Séfra, Algeria





More pictures here. First accumulating snow in Aïn Séfra since 1979.


I wish it could happen more often to diminish the SAL during summer.... :\\
Late January or not, this little low pressure system over the Alabama/Georgia border the other night was definitely an inland hurricane. I have the "alternative facts" to prove it.

It appears that January Storm # 6 is winding down but still chances for showers. Nice storm totals! 4.11"! This from the nearest official NWS location at Oak Grove,CA. about 3 miles as the crow flies from my house. My neighbor with his weather station had a 4.64" measurement for the storm. I did have a little snow flying this pm but not enough to stick. Temp is currently 34, so if the clouds show up I might get a bit tonight/overnight.

January 22 - 2.83"
January 23 - 1.28"
January Storm # 6 Total- 4.11"


Quoting 123. KoritheMan:

Late January or not, this little low pressure system over the Alabama/Georgia border the other night was definitely an inland hurricane. I have the "alternative facts" to prove it.




You're in Luck then Kori.

Shower us with mo facts from the dark side.

Are you having a golden evening ?

: P


Quoting 124. HurricaneHunterJoe:

It appears that January Storm # 6 is winding down but still chances for showers. Nice storm totals! 4.11"! This from the nearest official NWS location at Oak Grove,CA. about 3 miles as the crow flies from my house. My neighbor with his weather station had a 4.64" measurement for the storm. I did have a little snow flying this pm but not enough to stick. Temp is currently 34, so if the clouds show up I might get a bit tonight/overnight.

January 22 - 2.83"
January 23 - 1.28"
January Storm # 6 Total- 4.11"





7.40" here for the month. Hope you get some Snow down there....
I Iike fruit bats....
Quoting 127. aquak9:

I Iike fruit bats....



Fried or roasted?
+

Quoting 114. RobertWC:

111. vis0

Every time I read one of your comments , (which I don't regularly do) , I feel much better about myself. And I'm crazy as fruit bat .
Quoting 97. thetwilightzone:

any news tornado rateings from are out break yet ?

Link
Quoting 118. CaneFreeCR:

By the time the Climate 2.0 "upgrade" to 2.5 is completed it will be totally outdated and it will be time for another revision. Maybe better jump ahead to 3.5. (The designator is the degrees C that version is rated for.)


Well you know the official White House site has an area set aside for climate change and policies that...oh right. They didn't even wait for the presidential seat to get cold before they ripped that sucker down.

Ignorance is strength. :P
Gravity waves man, we have been skewed into an alternate reality that is filled with alternative facts.

The weather here has turned cooler.
134. vis0
Quoting 132. vis0:

chk baltimore brians site [https://www.wunderground.com/blog/BaltimoreBrian/ comment.html?entrynum=28&page=27#commenttop] for some happy sat news.
and Grothar still has not done the official huaaaw (fogs lens with breath] wipe lens with end of Grothar Thing T-shirt lens cleaning yet AND IMAGES LOOK FANTASTIC...imagine how the colours would have looked 300 years ago.



As to the Buoy images not visible, only the first images showing the area where buoys are anchors didn't show (does if one copies the image url and removes all after the "png" extension as in:: http://www.swiftpic.org/image.uploads/23-01-2017/original-69445063967910fd80abe 5006b3b85af.png) but left as is in worrying if i edit the image url it might ruin the comments format.  The other images show up on my browser
Quoting 125. Patrap:



You're in Luck then Kori.

Shower us with mo facts from the dark side.

Are you having a golden evening ?

: P



lol
Quoting 134. vis0:

and Grothar still has not done the official huaaaw (fogs lens with breath] wipe lens with end of Grothar Thing T-shirt lens cleaning yet AND IMAGES LOOK FANTASTIC...imagine how the colours would have looked 300 years ago.



As to the Buoy images not visible, only the first images showing the area where buoys are anchors didn't show (does if one copies the image url and removes all after the "png" extension as in:: http://www.swiftpic.org/image.uploads/23-01-2017/original-69445063967910fd80abe 5006b3b85af.png) but left as is in worrying if i edit the image url it might ruin the comments format.  The other images show up on my browser

Remind him to check the label...Poly can be abrasive to the coating....Howdy Vis...:)
For whoever is wondering my forecast for the 2017 hurricane season, here it is. Next update out on March 1st
13 named storms
6 hurricanes
2 major hurricanes
Good Morning. "Alternative facts" seems to be the catchphrase of the morning; have to see if it gets added to Webster's dictionary by the end of the year. Here is the Conus forecast for today and current look; fact and not fiction.................




Quoting 130. TropicalAnalystwx13:


Link


i find it odd that they would rate the Albany tornado a EF2

when it says here

4 deaths – A large wedge tornado caused extensive damage in and around Albany. At least 4 people were killed and 50 sustained injury. Several neighborhoods in eastern Albany were reportedly leveled.[26] A 2-year-old child was reported missing as of the morning of January 23

that would be more like what a EF4 or EF5 tornado will do
Here are the overall tornado stats from Noaa for the past few years. This Jan 2017 count (44
and not counting what just happened in the South as this chart is only through Jan 16th) blew
the other years away but I forgot that we had 102 in February of last year. Hopefully we will
get a break this year in February but you never know if that warm Gulf flow gets going again,
with warm temps in the South, next month.

TORNADO TOTALS AND RELATED DEATHS...THROUGH MON JAN 16 2017
NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
0129 PM CST TUE JAN 17 2017

...NUMBER OF TORNADOES... NUMBER OF KILLER
TORNADO DEATHS TORNADOES
..2017.. 2016 2015 2014 3YR 3YR 3YR
PREL ACT ACT ACT ACT AV 17 16 15 14 AV 17 16 15 14 AV
--- --- --- --- ---- ---- ---- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
JAN 44 - 18 28 4 16 0 2 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0
FEB - - 102 3 42 39 - 7 0 0 2 - 4 0 0 1
MAR - - 85 11 20 38 - 0 1 0 0 - 0 1 0 0
APR - - 140 171 129 146 - 1 2 35 12 - 1 1 8 3
MAY - - 216 381 130 242 - 2 7 0 3 - 2 5 0 2
JUN - - 86 184 286 185 - 0 0 2 0 - 0 0 2 0
JUL - - 107 115 85 102 - 0 0 4 1 - 0 0 1 0
AUG - - 89 45 33 55 - 0 0 0 0 - 0 0 0 0
SEP - - 36* 17 41 31 - 0 0 0 0 - 0 0 0 0
OCT - - 23* 40 73 45 - 0 0 1 0 - 0 0 1 0
NOV - - 69* 99 23 63 - 5 0 0 1 - 2 0 0 0
DEC - - 14* 83 20 39 - 0 26 5 10 - 0 6 2 2
--- --- --- ---- ---- ---- ---- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
SUM 44 - 985 1177 886 1041 0 17 36 47 29 0 10 13 14 8


Lincoln City, OR was hit by some giant waves. A woman was injured when a wave took out the balcony she was standing on. Several condo units were destroyed. Cars pushed into each other. A construction site had it's materials swept out. More here. The video captured some of what was described.
An eighty-eight-year-old friend reminded me that it has been this warm in winter before. Even 60° plus. But I don't think we have had a string of forties like this, for as long as this, in the heart of winter. Chicagoland. It looks a lot like springtime. :/
Quoting 23. oldnewmex:

Snow day #10 for local school kids (and my schoolteacher wife). An avalanche closed Hwy 89 for awhile last night; 2 vehicles were caught in it, but nobody was hurt.

If the link prompts you with a survey, scroll down and click "skip survey". Link


Near Red River?
Quoting 142. ChiThom:

An eighty-eight-year-old friend reminded me that it has been this warm in winter before. Even 60° plus. But I don't think we have had a string of forties like this, for as long as this, in the heart of winter. Chicagoland. It looks a lot like springtime. :/


Ditto here in the Detroit area. I have hyacinths, tulips and crocus coming up in my flower beds.

WAVE OFF WAVE OFF! It's too early.
Quoting 144. RunningTrauma:



Ditto here in the Detroit area. I have hyacinths, tulips and crocus coming up in my flower beds.

WAVE OFF WAVE OFF! It's too early.

Yep. And daffodils.
By the way, my wife is from Detroit. Hello, neighbor! :)
It's a very early pollen season (my Wife) for those with allergies in many parts of the US this year; all of our yard is currently in bloom thus killing off many of the once a year ones (which normally bloom in March and April) if we get a few hard freezes in Feb.
Quoting 144. RunningTrauma:



Ditto here in the Detroit area. I have hyacinths, tulips and crocus coming up in my flower beds.

WAVE OFF WAVE OFF! It's too early.


Bulbs are not notably early in the DC area, likely because they haven't had enough chilling yet. LONG string of continuously above freezing temps here ends after TWO WEEKS, Friday.
70's maybe to cold for southern Floridians but it's perfect weather for us Yankees.The humidity is noticeable because my body has grown more accustomed to the colder temps and drier weather.
One day, winter will be a memory here.

We so Green it looks like March 21st.
EPA Freezes Grants, Tells Employees Not To Talk About It, Sources Say

It’s unclear whether the freeze is temporary or indefinite.
01/23/2017 08:53 pm ET | Updated 12 hours ago


WASHINGTON ― The Environmental Protection Agency has frozen its grant programs, according to sources there.

EPA staff has been instructed to freeze all its grants ― an extensive program that includes funding for research, redevelopment of former industrial sites, air quality monitoring and education, among other things ― and told not to discuss this order with anyone outside the agency, according to a Hill source with knowledge of the situation.

An EPA staffer provided the information to the congressional office anonymously, fearing retaliation.

It’s unclear whether the freeze is indefinite or temporary as the agency transitions fully to the Trump administration; the Senate has not yet confirmed Trump’s pick for EPA administrator, Scott Pruitt. It’s also not clear the immediate impact the grant freeze would have on programs across the country, since EPA grants are distributed at varying intervals and frequency.

“I will say it’s pretty unusual for us to get these kinds of anonymous contacts from people at the agency, which makes me think it’s unusual,” said the Hill source.

Neither the Trump transition office nor the central press office at the EPA responded to a request for comment Monday.

The Huffington Post also received a message that was reportedly sent to staff Monday that seems to cover the current agency guidance on talking to the press in general, not just about the directive on grants. The memo states that the agency is imposing tight controls on external communication, including press releases, blog posts, social media and content on the agency website.

I just returned from a briefing for Communication Directors where the following information was provided. These restrictions are effective immediately and will remain in place until further direction is received from the new Administration’s Beach Team. Please review this material and share with all appropriate individuals in your organization. If anyone on your staff receives a press inquiry of any kind, it must be referred to me so I can coordinate with the appropriate individuals in OPA.

No press releases will be going out to external audiences.
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There are clearly major changes underway at the EPA as the Trump team takes the helm. Trump appointed Myron Ebell, the director of the Center for Energy and Environment at the libertarian think tank Competitive Enterprise Institute and a fierce EPA critic, to oversee the transition work at the agency. Axios reported Monday that the Trump team plans to cut $815 million from the agency’s budget, for programs like states and tribal assistance grants, climate programs and other “environment programs and management.”

Pruitt has a long history of battling the agency over environmental regulations as the attorney general of Oklahoma, describing himself as “a leading advocate against the EPA’s activist agenda.”

UPDATE: 9:50 p.m. ― In a report later Monday night, ProPublica confirmed the freeze in an interview and reported it also includes EPA contracts. Ebell told ProPublica the freeze is to “make sure nothing happens they don’t want to have happen.”

“This may be a little wider than some previous administrations, but it’s very similar to what others have done,” he said.

Quoting 146. weathermanwannabe:

It's a very early pollen season (my Wife) for those with allergies in many parts of the US this year; all of our yard is currently in bloom thus killing off many of the once a year ones (which normally bloom in March and April) if we get a few hard freezes in Feb.
Hosed off my pollen covered car yesterday am... (NW FL) really wish I had stock in Cingular!
A hiring freeze was put in place at NOAA, NWS, NASA and for other civil servant jobs yesterday.
Quoting 149. Patrap:

One day, winter will be a memory here.

We so Green it looks like March 21st.
Maybe so but, it will surely also mean that Hurricane Season will start earlier! WooHoo!
The woo hoo goes away really fast after the wind and rain stop.

Esp in dem Majors.
Trump expected to sign executive actions to advance Keystone, Dakota Access pipelines

By ANDREW RESTUCCIA and SHANE GOLDMACHER 01/24/17 09:33 AM EST Updated 01/24/17 09:59 AM EST


President Donald Trump is slated to sign executive actions on Tuesday that would advance the Keystone XL and Dakota Access oil pipelines, according to a person familiar with the issue.

During the campaign, Trump repeatedly promised to green-light Keystone XL, which if completed would carry Canadian oil sands crude from Alberta to Texas.


It’s unclear exactly how Trump will advance Keystone. He could undo a 2004 George W. Bush administration order that requires a broad inter-agency review led by the State Department of cross-border pipeline projects, a move that would make it easier to approve the project.

The pipeline has been at the center of one of the largest opposition campaigns in the history of the environmental movement, with activists launching a years-long push to kill the project. Former President Barack Obama rejected Keystone in 2015 after a lengthy analysis of the project.

The planned 1,100-mile Dakota Access pipeline, which would run from North Dakota to Illinois, has also become a focal point of progressive opposition to fossil fuel projects. Native American tribes joined with activists to protest the pipeline in a series of demonstrations that caught national attention over the last few months.

Any move to approve the pipelines will face legal challenges from environmental groups.
That is really unfortunate but we are running a 20T national debt. Just hope the fiscal frugality extend to all areas of government and military.

Quoting 152. Skyepony:

A hiring freeze was put in place at NOAA, NWS, NASA and for other civil servant jobs yesterday.
Quoting 152. Skyepony:

A hiring freeze was put in place at NOAA, NWS, NASA and for other civil servant jobs yesterday.


Which is why I was so upset several weeks ago when Senator Nelson (FL) threw in a last-minute amendment to a NOAA research-upgrades funding bill, related to the GA/FL water war issue, which set off the Georgia Senators and killed off the entire Bill until the current session...........It probably would have passed last session.
In case anyone was wondering about the 40 lbs of green tomatoes I picked around midnight of that last freeze here in NE Fla -



I wrapped them in paper and kept in a cool place, and they are starting to turn. They are much tastier than I expected.

there's pictures in my post 158; don't know why they're not showing. I know how to post pics, and usually have success with posting them.
Quoting 159. aquak9:

there's pictures in my post 158; don't know why they're not showing. I know how to post pics, and usually have success with posting them.


Not sure why those haven't been fried yet...
Significant Lake-Effect snow this weekend. From NWS Buffalo:

.LONG TERM /FRIDAY THROUGH MONDAY/...
Typical mid winter weather will become established again through the
long term period after a several week hiatus. A fundamental pattern
change will take place across North America, with a ridge building
over the west and a longwave trough becoming established over the
eastern half of the continent late in the week through next weekend.

Our area will be in the active region near the base of the longwave
trough, with numerous weak shortwaves moving through the base of the
trough. Each of these shortwaves may produce a few light snow
showers across much of the region, and will also bring subtle
variations to the low level flow, moisture depth, and cold air
structure which will impact ongoing lake effect snow.

The pattern appears favorable for a very long period of significant
lake effect snow starting Thursday night and going right through the
entire weekend. Model guidance is in good agreement initially from
Thursday night through Friday night with mean low level flow from
the west to WNW. This would target the western Southern Tier off
Lake Erie and the Southern Tug Hill and Oswego County off Lake
Ontario. By Saturday and Sunday model guidance begins to show some
spread, with several shortwaves moving through the longwave trough
and possibly backing winds more WSW at times.

The airmass is not overly cold by late January standards, with 850mb
temps starting at around -8C Thursday night and dropping to around
-12C over the weekend. Temperatures are fairly cold at 700mb
however, and this combined with deep moisture will allow lake
induced equilibrium levels to rise to near 10K feet. The favorable
instability and longevity of the setup suggest significant
accumulations are possible east of the lakes. A comparison of the
surface and upper level patterns to our locally developed lake
effect analogs show a good match to significant events for the
Chautauqua Ridge and Tug Hill/Oswego County. CIPS analogs also
support the idea of a significant event. 3-4 day storm totals may
very well reach several feet east of both Lake Erie and Lake
Ontario from late week into the weekend.
VABeach- I an not so fond of fried foods, but I gave quite a few to a friend who fried them up and loved them. I've made a big bowl of salsa (w/homegrown cilantro) outta the ones that are ripening.

The pictures still aren't showing. I wonder why.
Quoting 159. aquak9:

there's pictures in my post 158; don't know why they're not showing. I know how to post pics, and usually have success with posting them.


I saw pictures of green tomatoes and ripening orange/pink/red tomatoes. Looks good to me.

Meanwhile in College Park MD, I finally got out to my rental garden, picked a few pounds of broccoli and some green onions and observed that I've got another few pounds of spinach ready to pick. The broccoli I picked immedately since I was short at home (it was good!) but the spinach stays out there.. it will survive till I get around to picking and using it.

Also have a fair volume of Brussels sprouts ready to pick. These also should survive the forecast conditions for the next two weeks.

Dry and sunny here in coastal Humboldt this morning for the first time in a while. A weak system is expected to come through tomorrow and then a return to dry and sunny weather through the weekend. Since the beginning of the water year on October 1st the NOAA station on Woodley Island has recorded just a touch over 36", which puts us at the second wettest water year in recorded history. We still have a solid 8 weeks of winter left to go, so we may end up tying or breaking the record.

In other news, a new book claims that if 50% of the world's energy comes from renewable sources by 2060, we can hold global warming to under 2°C. The article contains a link to the full book which is available digitally for free.

Link
Quoting 162. aquak9:

VABeach- I an not so fond of fried foods, but I gave quite a few to a friend who fried them up and loved them. I've made a big bowl of salsa (w/homegrown cilantro) outta the ones that are ripening.

The pictures still aren't showing. I wonder why.


BLTs are a staple at my house. I still have the L but last garden T (found green and healthy under leaves in early December) was around New Years.

Quoting 149. Patrap:

One day, winter will be a memory here.

We so Green it looks like March 21st.


I remember and experience spring in midlatitudes as a burst of strong fresh vigorous greening and blooming in April/May


In Tallahassee in early March, the midlatitude species, in particular hardwood deciduous species which do grow there, looked more like one feels when the alarm goes off at 3AM when one was up till after midnight.
Quoting 152. Skyepony:

A hiring freeze was put in place at NOAA, NWS, NASA and for other civil servant jobs yesterday.

This doesn't bode well as was expected ... :-(

Latest from central Italy which got another blow:

Italy avalanche death toll rises to 16

The Local (Italy), Jan 24
The death toll from an avalanche that swamped an Italian mountain hotel rose to 16 on Tuesday, with 13 still missing, as a nearby helicopter crash dealt another blow to a region reeling from earthquakes and the heaviest snowfall in decades.
A team of first responders who had been helping the rescue effort at the Hotel Rigopiano was dispatched to the helicopter crash site.
The tally of bodies found in the ruins of the Rigopiano rose to 16 on the sixth day of an increasingly forlorn search through the snow-covered wreckage. ...


Rescued yesterday:
Meet the adorable puppies who survived five days trapped under avalanche rubble
The Local (Italy), Jan 24
As firefighters continued their feverish search for more human survivors of the Abruzzo avalanche, there was a flicker of hope when three puppies were found alive under the rubble.
The three Maremma sheepdog pups had been born in December to the hotel's resident dogs, Lupo and Nuvola (Wolf and Croud) - who had escaped the quake and found shelter in the nearby village of Farindola.
The video below captures the joyful moment the dogs were brought to safety. ...

Video in the link above.



EuroNews video: The region of Calabria, in southern Italy, has been hit by bad weather.
Heavy rains have swollen rivers, causing landslides. Many cities in the region, including the biggest one, Reggio Calabria, have closed their schools as a result.
ya'll can see the pictures in post 158? that's crazy, cause I can't see them.

Mr VDB- I do love some BLT's too. You have wu-mail
Quoting 166. no1der:




If you think that the Spicer and Conway Conferences were funny, you should see the 90% of the people I work with here Decatur, IL and their interpretation of it.

People have now stopped listening to anything on TV unless it comes from Trump's mouth. It is gospel from where I live and anything contradicting or slamming his intentions or values is easily debunked as fake news.

Not just one or two people mind you, but 55 of the 60 I work with. It really is becoming disturbing.

Onto the meat of my story, our Executive Director just put out a memo the on 23rd of Jan here with respect to any disrespectful or degrading insults to the Districts intentions in the City of Decatur are punishable by suspension or firing. Among the several items listed, one about excess religion or dogma practices while at work that negatively represents views opposed to Climate Change or Global Warming was listed as one of the items. The Districts goals are in line with protecting our environment and do not constitute falsehoods on political propaganda, misinformation, and or pseudosciences.

The conversation from that point on was nothing but heartbreaking. He was quite surprised about how fired up I was over something so "petty" and insignificant.

The bottom line is that every month we have a board meeting open to the public and this policy is pretty much written specifically for the communication between us and the public as per our lawyer.

Still thinking how to navigate this. It really (insert curse word here) me off and I feel like I just have to accept this?




ILwthrfan- you are not alone, I swear you are not alone. If I told you some of the lunacy I work with, your eyes would cross. And you'd think the younger people would be wiser- but no.... it's like they have been brainwashed. I honestly work with 30yo's who believe the earth is only a few thousand years old, and it's population is less than a billion.

Just makes me wanna cry, y'know? and I gotta bite my tongue. So it's really nice to see a post like yours, cause then I know I'm not alone.
Plus Plus PLUS!! Plus Plus PLUS!!
Plus Plus PLUS!! Plus Plus PLUS!!

January could break 30-year record for cold weather in Austria
The Local (Austria), Jan 24
Icy temperatures could make this month Austria’s coldest January in 30 years, according to the ORF weather forecasters.

In the southern part of Germany the month has been extremely cold as well. Here some pics I took on Sunday at some frozen lakes southeast of Frankfurt (click them to enlarge; some more on my blog):



Quoting 172. aquak9:

Plus Plus PLUS!! Plus Plus PLUS!!
Plus Plus PLUS!! Plus Plus PLUS!!

What a relief to get back the plus button, lol. I felt like being gagged without it.
Anyone got plans to go back plus all the comments they wanted to plus?
Its baaaack....
Quoting 170. ILwthrfan:



If you think that the Spicer and Conway Conferences were funny, you should see the 90% of the people I work with here Decatur, IL and their interpretation of it.

People have now stopped listening to anything on TV unless it comes from Trump's mouth. It is gospel from where I live and anything contradicting or slamming his intentions or values is easily debunked as fake news.

Not just one or two people mind you, but 55 of the 60 I work with. It really is becoming disturbing.

Onto the meat of my story, our Executive Director just put out a memo the on 23rd of Jan here with respect to any disrespectful or degrading insults to the Districts intentions in the City of Decatur are punishable by suspension or firing. Among the several items listed, one about excess religion or dogma practices while at work that negatively represents views opposed to Climate Change or Global Warming was listed as one of the items. The Districts goals are in line with protecting our environment and do not constitute falsehoods on political propaganda, misinformation, and or pseudosciences.

The conversation from that point on was nothing but heartbreaking. He was quite surprised about how fired up I was over something so "petty" and insignificant.

The bottom line is that every month we have a board meeting open to the public and this policy is pretty much written specifically for the communication between us and the public as per our lawyer.

Still thinking how to navigate this. It really "redacted" me off and I feel like I just have to accept this?







So they jus disregard your's and others Constitutional Right to free speech,to drive their political and religious views,by suppressing any dissent to that,et al.

You need a good Lawyer, ASAP and sue them all in a class action, vocally at dat.

If we descend into the ether of alternate BS, we all gonna die in a Thermonuclear exchange caused by less than 140 characters one afternoon, or 3am.



Quoting 175. isothunder67:

Anyone got plans to go back plus all the comments they wanted to plus?

Only in my mind...sorry, folks...lots of great comments, so little time...
I think I've got this whole "alternate facts" thing figured out!

Thermonuclear war, CNN: "Millions killed, millions more to die due to nuclear global winter "

Thermonuclear war, FoxNews: "Trump solves problems of overpopulation and global warming in one afternoon"
Quoting 176. washingtonian115:

Its baaaack....


You'll be able to say that about winter after Thursday. Not brutal unusual winter but more typical of our area.
Too early to talk about snow possibilities.
After placing a pro-pollution spokesperson and a known climate science denier in charge of the EPA, the Trump administration has ordered a full media blackout at that agency. (At the same time, the Trump administration also prohibited the USDA from sharing similar items with the public.)

IOW, there'll be no further news releases, photos, fact sheets, news feeds, or social media updates from any of the thousands of scientists and others at a pair of government agencies tasked with assuring safe and edible food, drinkable water, and breathable air for all Americans.

At the same time--almost the very same moment--Trump signed executive actions to advance construction of the Keystone XL and Dakota Access pipelines. The latter cuts through sovereign Native American territory, while the former will lead to a tiny handful of jobs while vastly increasing CO2 emissions.

This is all going rather well, isn't it?
Need to add the 2 confirmed predawn Sunday tornadoes in southeast Florida to the "outbreak" total.
Quoting 180. aquak9:

I think I've got this whole "alternate facts" thing figured out!

Thermonuclear war, CNN: "Millions killed, millions more to die due to nuclear global winter "

Thermonuclear war, FoxNews: "Trump solves problems of overpopulation and global warming in one afternoon"


I try to stay out of politics on these blogs. It's hard.. I'm appalled. One generic response is

"Jack Daniels please. Don't bother with the glass" (truth is I don't drink but that's my thought).


I am trying to organize the resistance on other fora.
Quoting 178. Patrap:



So they jus disregard your's and others Constitutional Right to free speech,to drive their political and religious views,by suppressing any dissent to that,et al.

You need a good Lawyer, ASAP and sue them all in a class action, vocally at dat.

If we descend into the ether of alternate BS, we all gonna die in a Thermonuclear exchange caused by less than 140 characters one afternoon, or 3am.






The problem is that our Lawyer is responsible for services of all public entities within Macon Co. IL. He is the top dog in the food chain. To top that off he's been undefeated since I started working here over 8 years ago.

We have fouled up a lot of projects since I began working here. Our lawyer basically demolishes the contractor on "ambiguity" within the specifications regardless if the accusations held merit. We just went out and dug up dirt on them and took off running with it.

We have been responsible for bankrupting two separate companies on our own mistakes. Both times when we went to arbitration I was used to infiltrate the project site to document anything that could be used to discredit the work being done that the contractor was using. I literally had guys coming up to me on the job site asking me how I could be so soulless as to what I was there doing. Telling me about how that job was the only job they had. That will stay with me until they put me in the ground.

This is something I will have to live with the rest of my life knowing that I helped 80 families give or take between the two companies together lose their job because we didn't do due diligence on our end prior to the start of the project. So they had to pay for it.
Quoting 182. Neapolitan:

After placing a pro-pollution spokesperson and a known climate science denier in charge of the EPA, the Trump administration has ordered a full media blackout at that agency. (At the same time, the Trump administration also prohibited the USDA from sharing similar items with the public.)

IOW, there'll be no further news releases, photos, fact sheets, news feeds, or social media updates from any of the thousands of scientists and others at a pair of government agencies tasked with assuring safe and edible food, drinkable water, and breathable air for all Americans.

At the same time--almost the very same moment--Trump signed executive actions to advance construction of the Keystone XL and Dakota Access pipelines. The latter cuts through sovereign Native American territory, while the former will lead to a tiny handful of jobs while vastly increasing CO2 emissions.

This is all going rather well, isn't it?


About as well as we expected. Not good at all.


Keystone signing
"his intentions or values"

I've noticed quite a few posts in the last day or so touting his 'family values', as in 'it's wonderful to have a man of family values back in the White House again'. It's too many not to be coordinated. Never saw this being pushed before. It's like an alternate reality is trying to take over. Kind of makes me wax nostalgic for the Bush years :)

Regarding the official memo, it sounds like Decatur is becoming like it is in the South. When I moved from New England to South Louisiana, I was a bit stunned at the 'flipping' of the work atmosphere when it came to the environment and climate change. Mind you, I was working doing environmental consulting with scientists and engineers. The difference was two things - religion and the 'natives' had been primarily educated in the Louisiana State University system. Additionally, many of the college-educated went through grade and high schools in private religious schools.

In New England people got into the environmental field out of a concern for the environment, and ended up in consulting as a way to make a living and pay off student loans. In Louisiana, many got into the field due to the attraction of a relatively good-paying job, not as a concern for the environment as a primary motivator for choosing their major in college. It didn't matter if they were delineating wetlands, working on environmental contamination, or on risk studies...generally their motivation was protect the client, not the environment. In New England we had to do both, but there was definitely more 'push back' in adherence to regulations. Can't count how many times I heard co-workers comment that the regs were ridiculous. Never heard this in New England...except from oil company clients. In New England the general feeling was that the regs weren't doing enough to protect people and the environment. (When you know a daycare center is sitting on top of a contaminant plume, and you can't do anything about it, that's a problem.)

I am NOT criticizing the State of Louisiana. I love many of the people there. But, it is what it is. Take that outlook, couple it with at times very ardent religion, and indoctrination into the idea that business needs are preeminent, and that's what you get. Science and reality tend to lose ground, unfortunately.

And to be certain, this is not simply my view or reaction. Others who originated elsewhere (both from the US and internationals) had the same experience. It's a bit jarring when you realize how different the culture really is in some areas.

ILwthrfan - my only real, substantive advice is be true to yourself. Don't let anyone take your integrity away from you. In my work history I've pushed back on what really mattered. Bit my tongue many times when people spouted opinions, but pushed back, verbally and in writing, when I knew my action or lack of action could ultimately hurt an innocent. And the times I was directly told to do something that went against the regs or especially the law? I said no, emphatically. Best of luck to you.
Is the guy in yellow tie the one who's totally against EPA?
Quoting 190. RitaEvac:

Is the guy in yellow tie the one who's totally against EPA?
The guy in the suit is totally against the EPA. So is the woman...
192. MahFL
Quoting 139. thetwilightzone:



i find it odd that they would rate the Albany tornado a EF2

when it says here

4 deaths – A large wedge tornado caused extensive damage in and around Albany. At least 4 people were killed and 50 sustained injury. Several neighborhoods in eastern Albany were reportedly leveled.[26] A 2-year-old child was reported missing as of the morning of January 23

that would be more like what a EF4 or EF5 tornado will do


If the neighborhoods were trailers it would make sense, which in this case it mostly was trailers that got destroyed. It does not take an EF4 to destroy a trailer.
Re: 185 - ILwthrfan - sounds like you have a tough job :(
Quoting 191. Neapolitan:

The guy in the suit is totally against the EPA. So is the woman...


So all of them
Quoting 182. Neapolitan:

After placing a pro-pollution spokesperson and a known climate science denier in charge of the EPA, the Trump administration has ordered a full media blackout at that agency. (At the same time, the Trump administration also prohibited the USDA from sharing similar items with the public.)

IOW, there'll be no further news releases, photos, fact sheets, news feeds, or social media updates from any of the thousands of scientists and others at a pair of government agencies tasked with assuring safe and edible food, drinkable water, and breathable air for all Americans.

At the same time--almost the very same moment--Trump signed executive actions to advance construction of the Keystone XL and Dakota Access pipelines. The latter cuts through sovereign Native American territory, while the former will lead to a tiny handful of jobs while vastly increasing CO2 emissions.

This is all going rather well, isn't it?


While I agree with most of your statement the part I highlighted is simply not true. Now the jobs for the Keystone XL can be debated one side will say many hundreds of jobs will be created the other will say it will only produce a few both are correct. All construction jobs are temporary jobs, they finish their jobs and move on to the next job. While Maintenance and operations positions are permanent.
196. MahFL
Quoting 191. Neapolitan:

The guy in the suit is totally against the EPA. So is the woman...


You can bet your right arm, none of the people in the picture will have a oil leak where they live....
He's holding important papers by his side (guy in yellow tie) maybe next on agenda is to shut down this blog and site....

Sarcasm Flag: ON
Quoting 190. RitaEvac:

Is the guy in yellow tie the one who's totally against EPA?

That's Bannon in the tie. Take most people's politics, move to the hard, far right, and there he is. Frightening guy.
There is nothing wrong with "alternative reality" As a 25 year old with a build of an Adonis and a face of Greek god, I am all for it. Since I am a quarterback with a top NFL team, I look forward to staying like this and no one can convince me otherwise.
Quoting 200. Grothar:

There is nothing wrong with "alternative reality" As a 25 year old with a build of an Adonis and a face of Greek god, I am all for it. Since I am a quarterback with a top NFL team, I look forward to staying like this and no one can convince me otherwise.


Its 2017! You can identify as whatever you want to be!
Trump bans EPA employees from giving social media updates
The Hill, By Mallory Shelbourne - 01/24/17 01:16 PM EST
President Trump has banned employees of the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) from giving social media updates and speaking with reporters, according to The Associated Press.
The EPA ban comes amid other reports of agency staff being restricted from interacting the members of the Congress or the general public.
BuzzFeed reported Tuesday that the Department of Agriculture instituted a similar ban, telling its employees not to distribute information about research papers or to post on Twitter under the agency's name. A Tuesday report in the Huffington Post said agency employees under the Department of Health and Human Services were told not to speak to public officials.
White House spokesman Sean Spicer declined to comment on the reports, saying that he wasn't familiar yet with the specific reported bans. But Spicer said it was natural for a new administration to reconsider agency operations. ...
Quoting 203. barbamz:

Trump bans EPA employees from giving social media updates
The Hill, By Mallory Shelbourne - 01/24/17 01:16 PM EST
President Trump has banned employees of the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) from giving social media updates and speaking with reporters, according to The Associated Press.
The EPA ban comes amid other reports of agency staff being restricted from interacting the members of the Congress or the general public.
BuzzFeed reported Tuesday that the Department of Agriculture instituted a similar ban, telling its employees not to distribute information about research papers or to post on Twitter under the agency's name. A Tuesday report in the Huffington Post said agency employees under the Department of Health and Human Services were told not to speak to public officials.
White House spokesman Sean Spicer declined to comment on the reports, saying that he wasn't familiar yet with the specific reported bans. But Spicer said it was natural for a new administration to reconsider agency operations. ...



Good.
Resurrection of Keystone and DAPL cements America's climate antagonism
Contrary to all evidence, the new US president will ignore climate change science and proceed with aggressive pro-oil and gas policies
Oliver Milman in New York, The Guardian, Tuesday 24 January 2017 17.33 GMT
If there were any lingering doubts over Donald Trump’s enthusiasm for shoving the US back into the smoggy embrace of fossil fuels, his decision to revive the Keystone XL and Dakota Access pipelines banishes them utterly.
Trump has thrown down the most provocative gauntlet possible to the environmental movement, which now sees its worst fears crystalizing within a few days of the inauguration. Those Trump Tower chats with Al Gore about climate change – and Ivanka Trump’s apparent concern over the issue – now vanish over the horizon. This will be an aggressively pro-oil and gas administration, even if that means boiling the planet. ...
Good Afternoon

Almost bare ground in rural Dodge and Jefferson County during what should be the coldest week of the year. Just before Christmas, snow reached 15 inches on the level then started to melt and pack. Last week the rain started and now, nothing. Hardly even a snow pile left. The sun came out for 15 minutes on Saturday and temperatures may have reached 50. The forest and farms are completely drowned. Semi-frozen soil. Rivers and streams are high. If we get even a small wind, a blow down will occur.
Quoting 205. JrWeathermanFL:



Good.

I don't think you understand the ramifications or just what this entails.
Quoting 156. HaoleboySurfEC:

That is really unfortunate but we are running a 20T national debt. Just hope the fiscal frugality extend to all areas of government and military.




It doesn't. Mango Mussolini explicitly excluded the military.

In addition, that $20 trillion isn't going anywhere but up, since Cheeto Jezus and his crew of idiots can't do math. Cutting taxes on the rich while increasing spending? Yeah, that's a brilliant way to reduce the debt.

You could cut all of NASA, NOAA, EPA, CDC, and all related agencies completely from the budget and it wouldn't even make a dent. If you want to reduce the debt then you have to look at where the money is really going. So with this cadre of criminals in charge, the target is going to be social programs before they so much as take a nickel from military spending or, $DIETY forbid, raise taxes on the rich.

Anything dealing with reality (science programs, environmental programs, ethics, budget oversight, etc.) will either be gutted or dismantled. In fact, it's already started. Can't have real facts in a world where alternate facts exist after all. And with the new FCC chief coming in, it's going to be censorship and walled gardens for the internet as well.

This is 1984. It won't be long now before we start hearing the Constitution is "outdated" and "inefficient".

Quoting 200. Grothar:

There is nothing wrong with "alternative reality" As a 25 year old with a build of an Adonis and a face of Greek god, I am all for it. Since I am a quarterback with a top NFL team, I look forward to staying like this and no one can convince me otherwise.
" alternative dimension " As a 25,000 year old cromagnon, and a face like Ramses the 2nd, he's all for it, and since he is a centurion, with the top equites singulares Augustii, yada, yada , yada....Greetings Gro.....:)
Boy this blog has really deteriorated over the past few months. It take forever to load and I'm on Blast Speed Internet (80 - 100 meg download).

Also, my anti-virus Kasperksy tells me this website can't be trusted and suggests I disconnect.
Quoting 213. LAbonbon:


The article link goes to a 'page not found'. Here's the Link


The link takes you back to this page.
Quoting 215. SunnyDaysFla:



The link takes you back to this page.

Weird! Fixed now. Here it is: Link
Someone mentioned that this site is powered by the Drupal content management system. Having experience developing with drupal, i suggest they consider a different solution - if only for the blog. I remember back when biting the bullet and deciding to go up the curve of learning and deploying drupal because IBM was using it. Big mistake. Hopefully IBM has come to their senses too.
Quoting 201. gr8lakebreeze:

New paper from Cohen et al., Winter 2015/16
A Turning Point in ENSO-Based Seasonal Forecasts

Thanks for the link.

From the introduction:
"Over the past two to three decades, the Arctic has undergone the most rapid change relative to other regions across the globe, with an observed warming double to triple that of the global average. While the general atmospheric circulation response to Arctic warming may have been obscured by large natural variability in the past, changes in the Arctic have become sufficiently large and rapid that impacts on mid-latitude weather have become more significant and detectable."

From the conclusion:
"There is much still to learn about ocean-atmosphere coupling, particularly in the era of human-induced climate change. Lessons learned from the 2015/16 winter, characterized by a record strong El Nino in combination with a record warm Arctic, suggest that the balance between tropical and Arctic influences on mid-latitude weather patterns needs to be reevaluated with rigor in both modeling and observational studies."
Quoting 223. LAbonbon:

We may be riled up about NOAA/NASA/EPA/DOA, etc. But conservatives (true conservatives) are appalled by the blatant lying coming from the White House. We can only hope that it's only a matter of time before the 'old guard' Republicans in Congress attempt to hold them somewhat accountable.
Perhaps. But see 'No True Scotsman' fallacy.
Interesting discussion out of NWS Miami this afternoon:

Behind the frontal passage, high pressure will briefly build back
into the region for at least the first half of the weekend.
Beginning Sunday, the forecast starts to become uncertain, as the
aforementioned frontal boundary lifts back north as a warm front and
possibly stalls in the vicinity of South Florida. This will allow
moisture to increase across the region, with PWAT values rising into
the 1.50 inch range, which would be near the climatological max for
this time of year. Synoptically, the region will be in a favorable
setup for a period of widespread overrunning rainfall sometime
Sunday and into Monday. There are signals for the potential of a
heavy rain event
, and will continue to monitor closely over the next
few days, although it still remains uncertain at this time.

The Badlands National Park twitter feed has gone rouge, follow to support!
Quoting 225. Neapolitan:

Perhaps. But see 'No True Scotsman' fallacy.

I understand what you're saying. I should have said 'many' true conservatives (or something similar) instead of implying 'all'.
I'm down in the Keys and currently not in D.C.However I'm loving this weather down here with mid 70's (not miserable 40's with rain).My husband said his arthritis hasn't been bothering him so much since we came down here.The weather back at home has been bi-polar for the most part and it is nice to take a break from that stuff.
Quoting 227. Neapolitan:

Interesting discussion out of NWS Miami this afternoon:

Behind the frontal passage, high pressure will briefly build back
into the region for at least the first half of the weekend.
Beginning Sunday, the forecast starts to become uncertain, as the
aforementioned frontal boundary lifts back north as a warm front and
possibly stalls in the vicinity of South Florida. This will allow
moisture to increase across the region, with PWAT values rising into
the 1.50 inch range, which would be near the climatological max for
this time of year. Synoptically, the region will be in a favorable
setup for a period of widespread overrunning rainfall sometime
Sunday and into Monday. There are signals for the potential of a
heavy rain event
, and will continue to monitor closely over the next
few days, although it still remains uncertain at this time.



Not good for my half marathon
Quoting 203. barbamz:

Trump bans EPA employees from giving social media updates
The Hill, By Mallory Shelbourne - 01/24/17 01:16 PM EST
President Trump has banned employees of the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) from giving social media updates and speaking with reporters, according to The Associated Press.
The EPA ban comes amid other reports of agency staff being restricted from interacting the members of the Congress or the general public.
BuzzFeed reported Tuesday that the Department of Agriculture instituted a similar ban, telling its employees not to distribute information about research papers or to post on Twitter under the agency's name. A Tuesday report in the Huffington Post said agency employees under the Department of Health and Human Services were told not to speak to public officials.
White House spokesman Sean Spicer declined to comment on the reports, saying that he wasn't familiar yet with the specific reported bans. But Spicer said it was natural for a new administration to reconsider agency operations. ...



Looks like the page has bdeen 'disappeared' already~

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"Sorry, we could not find the page you requested.
You can try search to find what you want."
Quoting 241. MontanaZephyr:



Looks like the page has bdeen 'disappeared' already~

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"Sorry, we could not find the page you requested.
You can try search to find what you want."

See #216
Its been more than 1 entire year since the infamous Blizzard of 2016. I'd like to dedicate this post to this awe-inspiring storm, that, well, was not predicted well. My area in New Jersey was originally supposed to get 8-12 inches. We ended up obtaining 30 inches of snow, which unfortunately melted in a week. Howling winds were also an issue and I discovered multiple drifts of over 5 feet tall. Below, i will attempt to put a picture.

Before it stopped.


After it stopped
No more Climate Change, no more Civil Rights, no more Health Care, no more Ethics etc. in Trumpland.

See the difference:

Obama's issues:



Trump's issues:

Quoting 230. gr8lakebreeze:

The Badlands National Park twitter feed has gone rouge, follow to support!


the tweets about climate change appear to be gone already :(
Quoting 230. gr8lakebreeze:

The Badlands National Park twitter feed has gone rouge, follow to support!


These tweets are no longer there:



Quoting 245. earthisanocean:



the tweets about climate change appear to be gone already :(


I figured it wouldn't last long, thankfully their twitter feed is being flooded with re-posts.
From the first president

Quoting 241. MontanaZephyr:

Looks like the page has bdeen 'disappeared' already~

Page Not Found | 404
"Sorry, we could not find the page you requested.
You can try search to find what you want."

Ah, sorry, my link in post #203 was incomplete. Fixed it.

Next news:
National park deletes tweets about climate science
The Hill, by Devin Henry - 01/24/17 05:43 PM EST
From the latest Miami NWS Discussion

Sunday into early Monday: Long range models develop broad troughing
along the southeast CONUS late in the weekend. The GFS is more
aggressive than the ECMWF with stalling a stationary front over
South Florida Sunday afternoon into Monday. Overrunning of warm
moist air from the south up over the cool air to the north should
allow for isentropic lift. Forecast PWATs rise to over 1.70"
towards the southern part of the peninsula, values pushing the top
90th percentile of for this time of year. The potential for a
heavy rain event remains. However, 5 days out, details are still
rather uncertain. Models prog the aforementioned front to drop
south on Monday, which would lower rain chances and maintain a
cooler then normal airmass over South Florida.
Quoting 244. Xandra:

No more Climate Change, no more Civil Rights, no more Health Care, no more Ethics etc. in Trumpland.

See the difference:

Obama's issues:



Trump's issues:



You left out no more freedom of the press. Rule number one for a dictator is to control the information to the people. So reporting on climate change may become unlawful. Who keeps saying "the lying press" while lying? Does anyone here want state sponsored media? Could happen, even Obama said don't underestimate Trump.
I have a feeling it won't be long before an edict will come from the office of the Secretary of Commerce to NOAA: "The Boss doesn't like to hear about bad or unpleasant weather. If you can't forecast nice weather, just keep quiet!"
Some amazing numbers for Soo Cal for the last 6 days!! Released by NWS San Diego

Link

TOP RAINFALL AMOUNTS FROM ALL ZONES

STATION PRECIP(IN) ELEVATION(FT)
1. LYTLE CREEK RAWS 12.61 2790
2. UPPER HARDING CYN 11.14 * 4254
3. PALOMAR OBSERVATORY 11.29 * 5560
4. BIRCH HILL 10.49 * 5645
5. JULIAN RAWS 10.39 * 4240
6. PALOMAR MOUNTAIN RAWS 10.10 * 5530
7. UPPER SILVERADO CYN 10.04 2880
8. LAKE CUYAMACA 9.95 * 4560
9. PINE COVE 9.91 * 6325
10. PINE HILLS FS 9.60 3645
Quoting 251. washingaway:


Does anyone here want state sponsored media? (rest snipped)

The new darling is RT. RT = Russia Today, sponsored by the Russian government. People don't realize it's simply English language news with a Russian viewpoint and spin. Yet here it's taken as gospel by many, over the likes of CNN, ABC, etc.
The closest lake to me Lake Henshaw has doubled in size the last 6 days from 6% to 15% full. West Fork of San Luis Rey drains from Palomar Mountain into the lake and they had bookoo rain(10-12 inches) and some snow so expect it will be filling for a bit more anyway.

Just started SNOWING! Yessssssssssssssssssssss!!
From KTLA 5:

State of Emergency Declared in California After Storms Cause Flooding, Erosion, Highway Damage


A Huntington Beach police officer watches a tow truck operator hook up chains to rescue a family from the middle of flooded Heil Avenue after their car stalled in the deep water amid a heavy downpour in Huntington Beach on Jan. 22. (Credit: Allen J. Schaben / Los Angeles Times

After another round of heavy rains soaked parts of California, Gov. Jerry Brown declared a state of emergency late Monday for several counties dealing with an estimated tens of million dollars in damage from flooding, erosion, and mud flows.

The governor’s order cited the destruction to roads and highways from the so-called atmospheric river that has pummeled Southern California, the Central Coast, the San Joaquin Valley and the Bay Area since early January. A second emergency declaration was also issued for a spate of Northern California counties battered by rainstorms.

The emergency order clears the way for requesting federal emergency assistance funds for highway repairs and reconstruction.

The rains that deluged Southern California over the weekend continued Monday, with showers punctuated by bursts of sunshine. Hail was reported in Burbank and snow was anticipated in the Antelope Valley.
Quoting 256. HurricaneHunterJoe:

Just started SNOWING! Yessssssssssssssssssssss!!

I'm happy you finally got your snow :)
Not much of a snow storm but a small cell cruising over my abode currently....lol

Quoting 258. LAbonbon:


I'm happy you finally got your snow :)


Thanks : ) it's not sticking but looks nice coming down anyway!
Alex Steffen:
‏@AlexSteffen

If you don't live in California, you probably aren't hearing about the degree of mobilization happening now. Unlike anything I've ever seen.

Let it be true ...
Trump nominee pledges to shield NOAA climate scientists from intimidation, censorship
Mashable, by Andrew Freedman/24. Jan. 2017

Climate change summit canceled by CDC amid uncertainty of a Trump presidency
The Verge, Alessandra Potenza/23. Jan. 2017

California governor defiant in face of Trump agenda
SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) - Gov. Jerry Brown forcefully defended California's efforts to curb global warming, protect immigrants and expand health care, vowing in his State of the State address Tuesday to fight the Trump administration if it tries to roll back the state's accomplishments.
"California is not turning back. Not now, not ever," he declared. ...


Donald Trump's Nominees Say Climate Change Is Real, But They Refuse To Deal With It
"It's actually just a more insidious form of climate denial by becoming a little more sophisticated."
HP, 01/24/2017 11:00 am ET
I have a lot to catch up on this blog. I'm glad the plus button is back.
Quoting 261. Xandra:

Alex Steffen:
‏@AlexSteffen

If you don't live in California, you probably aren't hearing about the degree of mobilization happening now. Unlike anything I've ever seen.




Who's mobilizing? And for what purpose? I do live in Soo Cal.
Quoting 261. Xandra:

Alex Steffen:
‏@AlexSteffen

If you don't live in California, you probably aren't hearing about the degree of mobilization happening now. Unlike anything I've ever seen.



Well, I live in California and I haven't heard anything. Then again, I'm behind The Redwood Curtain, and therefore somewhat isolated...
Quoting 254. LAbonbon:

.

LAbonbon could you use word omitted next time instead of snipped. I'm a male and I don't like being snipped. :)
Meanwhile, here in Vermont the NWS forecast discussion is:

What a waste. It`s late January, we`ve got a strong Nor`Easter
off the southern New England coast and all we get out of it is
ice, ice and more ice! Story of winter 2016-2017 I guess, and it
continues into tonights forecast as well. Deep low pressure
moving into southern New England coastal waters tonight will
continue to throw copious amounts of moisture our way through
the midnight to early Wednesday morning hours before shifting
east of the North Country on Wednesday. Thermal profiles through
the day have supported mainly snow with periods of sleet across
northern New York, while for points east of Lake Champlain warm
air aloft has continued to provide a lovely freezing drizzle
and/or snizzle mix through the day.


Seems the NWS forecaster shares my emotion about the current state of winter. It isn't even good ice for skating.

Can't even cheer myself up with the weather.
Quoting 266. washingaway:


LAbonbon could you use word omitted next time instead of snipped. I'm a male and I don't like being snipped. :)

lol - I'll try and keep that in mind ;)

Quoting 267. VermontStorms:


How's the syrup forecast? :P
Quoting 266. washingaway:


LAbonbon could you use word omitted next time instead of snipped. I'm a male and I don't like being snipped. :)


Snipping is never good.
Letter received by Montana State Department of Environmental Quality Employees this afternoon:

Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 3:45 PM
To: DEQ EVERYONE
Subject: EPA grant and contract freeze



Good afternoon –

We learned today of a freeze on Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) grant and contract funding. We don’t yet have a lot of specifics, but I wanted to share what we have. This is a new situation that we are monitoring and we are working with other states and with ECOS to find out more information on impacts.

We rely on funding from EPA to implement federal clean air, clean water and safe drinking water laws. Roughly one-third of DEQ’s annual budget comes from federal grants and funding. EPA is the single largest federal contributor, followed by the Department of Interior and then the Department of Energy.

One of our major core grants is the EPA Performance Partnership Grant. Last year we were awarded roughly $7 million for the current state fiscal year. To date we have received about $2 million of this grant and have been awaiting the remaining approximately $5 million since the most recent federal continuing resolution passed in early December of 2016. This grant helps fund many DEQ activities, including programs associated with Clean Water and Clean Air Act regulation, safe drinking water protection, and hazardous waste oversight. We are unsure when/if we will receive the rest of this grant and are assessing immediate impacts.

Once we assess immediate impacts, we will look at what future impacts might be.

DEQ has a regular cycle of applying for other EPA funding (mostly in the form of grants) to operate programs for federal Superfund, wastewater and drinking water state revolving fund loans, underground storage tanks, non-point-source and other work. At this point we don’t know the immediate or long-term impact to these funding sources.

We’ll keep you posted as we learn more.
Quoting 214. RickWPB:

Boy this blog has really deteriorated over the past few months. It take forever to load and I'm on Blast Speed Internet (80 - 100 meg download).

Also, my anti-virus Kasperksy tells me this website can't be trusted and suggests I disconnect.


Wouldn't surprise me at all if the problems with this blog are the result of corporate operative sabotage.
Quoting 251. washingaway:


You left out no more freedom of the press. Rule number one for a dictator is to control the information to the people. So reporting on climate change may become unlawful. Who keeps saying "the lying press" while lying? Does anyone here want state sponsored media? Could happen, even Obama said don't underestimate Trump.

Just because Trump calls out the press it doesn't mean that there isn't freedom of the press...
Quoting 254. LAbonbon:


The new darling is RT. RT = Russia Today, sponsored by the Russian government. People don't realize it's simply English language news with a Russian viewpoint and spin. Yet here it's taken as gospel by many, over the likes of CNN, ABC, etc.
RT sucks. Still,,,being "taken as gospel by many over the likes of CNN, ABC etc, " is setting the bar rather low.
Quoting 254. LAbonbon:


The new darling is RT. RT = Russia Today, sponsored by the Russian government. People don't realize it's simply English language news with a Russian viewpoint and spin. Yet here it's taken as gospel by many, over the likes of CNN, ABC, etc.


The difference between RT, (which DOES have an agenda, of course) in my experience is that they will say the crap about what happens in the states, the others generally won't. I don't seek out RT, I just sometimes follow links to it. Gaurdian is pretty good, though they are not without blemish. I like the Intercept.

Pensacola Doug put it better than I did. /
Quoting 261. Xandra:

Alex Steffen:
‏@AlexSteffen

If you don't live in California, you probably aren't hearing about the degree of mobilization happening now. Unlike anything I've ever seen.




Hope you folks can make it viral across states.... We had about 10,000 people turn out to March at the state capital here (Montana) Saturday. That's a lot for a state with under a million people, 500 miles wide and near 300 miles deep~ (and a shivery 21°!)
Quoting 275. MontanaZephyr:



Hope you folks can make it viral across states.... We had about 10,000 people turn out to March at the state capital here (Montana) Saturday. That's a lot for a state with under a million people, 500 miles wide and near 300 miles deep~ (and a shivery 21°!)

What/who is mobilizing?
Old English word of the day: snāw-ceald, snow-cold or cold as snow. Pronounced "snaw-chay-ald"

Venceslao Gennaio Castello Buonconsiglio Trento c. 1400

Quick look at the Chilean wildfires today (January 24, Aqua-Modis, via NASA Worldview):

Recent news (FireAviation.com, 11 h ago):
747 SuperTanker en route to assist with wildfires in Chile
And from a report by the AFP (3 h ago):
Fires are common in Chile's parched woods during the Southern Hemisphere's summer. Most are caused by human activity. But this year was considered worse because of a drought that has built up over the past eight years, attributed by environmentalists to climate change.

Well that is a real possibility:
The current Mega Drought in Central Chile: Is the future now? (.pdf document, July 2015)
Annual precipitation deficits ranging from 30-70% have afflicted most of central Chile (west coast of South America, 30-40*S) for the last decade, most intensely from 2011 onwards, leading to an unprecedented drought in terms of intensity, spatial and temporal extent. The current 'Mega Drought' stands out not only in the historical record but also in precipitation and stream flow reconstructions for the last 1000 years.
(...) There is a strong suggestion that anthropogenic climate change is partially responsible for the present Mega Drought. Such effect is mostly dynamic, due to the decrease in the westerly winds impinging central Chile. We also note that model-based climate projections for the 21st century consistently indicate a marked drying trend over this region. (...)


Patagonian ice melts as Chile experiences its worst drought on record
SBS.com - December 2016.

Fires Continue to Plague Chile - NASA, January 23.
Fires continue to plague Central Chile as a record number of forest fires this past year have erupted due to drought conditions and high temperatures. (...)
Quoting 272. hotroddan:


Just because Trump calls out the press it doesn't mean that there isn't freedom of the press...

Trump’s Two-Step Strategy To Take Over the Truth

Step 1: Disparage the press and lie about them.

Step 2: Threaten to circumvent the press and take the “truth” directly to the people.



Link
Quoting 280. BaltimoreBrian:

This just in... Badlands National Park climate change tweets deleted


Too late it's a movement now.







Hopefully, some clippers show some love and give us some snow in the Great Lakes this year.

It's a sad time for anyone who enjoys clean air, water and land. I have long held the belief that our country is far greater than any one jerk. It was a saying of solace during previous administrations and mistakes (Iraq). However, the actions taken by this administration so far are reason for concern. Transparency is American. To purposely stifle the dissemination of information, especially scientific information is decidedly horrific at best, and demonstrates authoritarian behavior at worst.

So when you ask who's mobilizing? The answer is those of us likely to be affected negatively as a result of this administration. Including me, and the vast majority of my fellow disabled Americans. I rolled proudly along with many friends last Saturday, and it's just the start of the work ahead that's likely to be necessary to protect ourselves moving forward.

As the for the weather, there's no rain in the forecast. Again. It's Seattle, in January. A typical January features 19 days of rain, 9 days of cloudy skies and 3 days of sunshine. January features a grand total of 74 hours of sunshine. I miss the rain. It's refreshing. I know California needs it desperately, but can someone let us just borrow it for a little while?
288. thunk
@Pensacoladoug: RT sucks. Still,,,being "taken as gospel by many over the likes of CNN, ABC etc, " is setting the bar rather low.

Yes. RT is part of the same Putinist misinformation conspiracy that attempted to stir the pot of the US elections and intends to do the same throughout the world. Don't believe it.

Once nothing is real, everything becomes `real`.
Quoting 269. HurricaneHunterJoe:



Snipping is never good.


I like snips!
Breaking from Reuters: The Trump administration has ordered the EPA to delete its climate change page.

Link
I really, really hope that during the Obama administration all this data and information was archived in a secure location. Canada? Berkeley? Anyone know?

This is starting to feel like China and other authoritarian countries, where the state tries to control information. We pay for the government. They work for us. Information should be readily, freely and easily available. Looks like transparency and honesty are a thing of the (immediate) past.

TA13 - saw your post the other night. I didn't respond when I saw it as the tornadoes were just kicking off. But I wish you the very best in your newest endeavor!
I wonder if we'll still have our blogging community, or if that will be taken away, too.
Quoting 291. TropicalAnalystwx13:

Breaking from Reuters: The Trump administration has ordered the EPA to delete its climate change page.

Problem solved! We should have thought of this years ago.
Quoting 294. aquak9:

I wonder if we'll still have our blogging community, or if that will be taken away, too.

Yes I believe so, the one thing that is sure to get Trump removed is to take away the Internet. Can you imagine if one day everyone woke up to no Internet? Lol, talk about a mass uprising.
Quoting 294. aquak9:

I wonder if we'll still have our blogging community, or if that will be taken away, too.


Please do not tell anyone I plussed you.

Quoting 294. aquak9:

I wonder if we'll still have our blogging community, or if that will be taken away, too.
as long as all references to climate change is removed we should be good watch it happen mark my words everyone running scared of president buttercup down there
Probably old news, but I just found out about it, so: The White House Website Under Trump No Longer Has a Spanish Option
Quoting 291. TropicalAnalystwx13:

Breaking from Reuters: The Trump administration has ordered the EPA to delete its climate change page.

Link


And so it begins.
Quoting 296. washingaway:


Yes I believe so, the one thing that is sure to get Trump removed is to take away the Internet. Can you imagine if one day everyone woke up to no Internet? Lol, talk about a mass uprising.


From Sin City:
Power don't come from a badge or a gun. Power comes from lying. Lying big, and gettin' the whole damn world to play along with you. Once you got everybody agreeing with what they know in their hearts ain't true, you've got 'em by the balls.

Fitting in the age of Mango Mussolini. As far as taking the internet away, he won't. He's going to hand it to the megacorps who will milk it for everything it's worth as walls go up and censorship comes down (see new FCC chair).
Tropical Cyclone Warning Center Perth
Tropical Cyclone Advice #1
TROPICAL LOW
2:49 PM WST January 25 2017
==================================

At 2:00 PM WST, Tropical Low located at 15.8S 127.9E or 45 km south southwest of Wyndham and 90 km west of Kununurra. has 10 minute sustained winds of 20 knots with gusts of 45 knots. The tropical low is reported as moving west at 7 knots.

A tropical low will move towards the west southwest across the Kimberley during Wednesday and Thursday. The low is expected to move offshore from the west Kimberley coast late Thursday or early Friday. The low will gradully strengthen and may develop into a tropical cyclone late Friday or during Saturday as it tracks north of and generally parallel to the Pilbara coast.

Ahead of and prior to the system becoming a tropical cyclone, squally thunderstorms are possible along the west Kimberley and Pilbara coasts.

GALES with gusts to 100 km/h may develop in coastal parts between Bidyadanga and Mardie on Friday evening or during Saturday.

Further heavy rainfall and flooding is likely over the Kimberley and a Severe Weather Warning and Flood Watches/Warnings are current. For further details please refer to http://www.bom.gov.au/wa/warnings/. Heavy rainfall will extend to coastal parts of the Pilbara from Friday.

Tropical Cyclone Watches/Warnings
=======================
A TROPICAL CYCLONE WATCH has been issued for parts of the Western Australia region from Bidyadanga to Mardie
Quoting 301. Xyrus2000:



And so it begins.

In a certain sense, Trump is giving people like you and I an advantage. We're still going to stay up on what's happening with the climate. His supporters won't.
Quoting 302. Xyrus2000:



From Sin City:
Power don't come from a badge or a gun. Power comes from lying. Lying big, and gettin' the whole damn world to play along with you. Once you got everybody agreeing with what they know in their hearts ain't true, you've got 'em by the balls.

Fitting in the age of Mango Mussolini. As far as taking the internet away, he won't. He's going to hand it to the megacorps who will milk it for everything it's worth as walls go up and censorship comes down (see new FCC chair).

I know Tang won't take away the Internet. Like I said, that would cause a mass uprising. Funny though, people will accept air and water pollution. Having said that, Tang will have access to the data collected by the NSA, and if that doesn't scare you, it should.

NSA surveillance exposed
A secret government surveillance program targeting phone calls and the Internet is revealed

Good morning from Europe. What news will the day bring? Developments in the US really are even more worrisome than one would have imagined :-(
Hope WU will match the task to further spread scientific informations on weather and climate!

Silenced Federal Agencies Violating Their Own Policies
Climate Central, January 24, 2017

-----------------------------------

US scientists raise bar for sea level by 2100
PhysOrg, January 24, 2017 by Kerry Sheridan
In the last days of Barack Obama's administration, US government scientists warned even more sea level rise is expected by century's end than previously estimated, due to rapid ice sheet melting at the poles.
The report by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) set the "extreme" scenario of global average sea level rise by 2100 to 8.2 feet (2.5 meters), up half a meter from the last estimate issued in 2012. ...


Europe faces droughts, floods and storms as climate change accelerates
Europe and northern hemisphere are warming at faster pace than the global average and 'multiple climatic hazards' are expected, says study
The Guardian, Arthur Neslen, Wednesday 25 January 2017 00.01 GMT
Europe's Atlantic-facing countries will suffer heavier rainfalls, greater flood risk, more severe storm damage and an increase in "multiple climatic hazards", according to the most comprehensive study of Europe's vulnerability to climate change yet. ...
Hans-Martin Fuller, one of the lead authors of the European Environment Agency report, said that scientific evidence was pointing increasingly to a speeding up in the pace of climate change. ...

More see link above.
308. elioe
Quoting 306. barbamz:

Silenced Federal Agencies Violating Their Own Policies
Climate Central, January 24, 2017


Not accustomed to the full workings of U.S. politics... is there really a basis to claim that the policies are being "violated", rather than being "superseded"?

Quoting 306. barbamz:

Europe faces droughts, floods and storms as climate change accelerates


Here's the link to the EEA report (pdf). Pretty balanced, I'd say.
In keeping my comments related to weather and education, as we follow science on this Blog, we have elected a President who believes that climate change is a hoax, has nominated a Secretary of Education who favors charter schools (in Michigan) over public schools (when 80% of American children whether in cities or rural areas attend public schools), and who has nominated a Secretary of State with business ties to Russia who is all about continued oil exploitation (more Co2). Further, He and his advisors have added two new words to the American Political landscape in the past several weeks; "fake news" and "alternate facts"; the continuance of a dumbing down of America by electing a reality TV host to the Presidency; This is a complete and utter train wreck from the git go.

Here is the current forecast and look for Conus:





%uFFFD
WU is a great site!

No matter what happens, we will continue to watch the storms 24/7 !


Possible weather forecast for the future: Especially with a warmer climate.

Stronger and more damaging hurricanes like Sandy and Katrina making landfall.

More off-season tropical activity ....

More damaging rain events, and extreme weather events.

Something to think about!

Always be ready for the unexpected.
Quoting 308. elioe:



Not accustomed to the full workings of U.S. politics...



That's wisdom on your part, just as I am not accustomed to Finnish politics.

After a string of 40s (6° C) for weeks, we're finally going to get a little cold spell after tonight, but the anticipated snow will probably melt because the ground is so warm. Several ice skaters have been saved after crashing through the ice in the past week. I tried to tell them it was not safe! :-j
re:

302. Xyrus2000

I thought you meant Park City, which was also called "sin city". :-J
YAY!!! Thank you for fixing the site again....! :D

In other news.... Earls TCR was released... upgraded to a 85 mph hurricane instead of 80 mph...
Link
re:
306. barbamz

They will try to destroy scientific integrity with their own lies. :(
But we know better, and yes, we do have WU at least.
Quoting 315. ChiThom:
re:
306. barbamz

They will try to destroy scientific integrity with their own lies. :(
But we know better, and yes, we do have WU at least.

And how long before our data stream gets censored? I mean, all the wx station data? Is BG (BigGovernment) gonna say all our international data is faulty?

I do not think JeffMasters will have the freedom of speech he enjoys now, in about two more years.
Quoting 272. hotroddan:


Just because Trump calls out the press it doesn't mean that there isn't freedom of the press...
the press is so one sided either right or left, i can't watch it anymore. i just want to hear the facts and be able to make up my own mind. weather here in florida is soon nice today, perfect.
It seems to me that websites and groups such as this one will become even more important in the future as collecting points for citizen scientists and citizen science. Distributed science, on the model of the distributed computing projects like SETI, can make an enormous contribution possible by knowledgeable and dedicated citizen scientists, whose observations and records of events in Nature can support the professionals whose funds and staffing will suffer under the budget cuts and shift in focus of the government. Science Underground!
Quoting 316. aquak9:


And how long before our data stream gets censored? I mean, all the wx station data? Is BG (BigGovernment) gonna say all our international data is faulty?

I do not think JeffMasters will have the freedom of speech he enjoys now, in about two more years.


Guess it will depend on whether IBM goes in to kiss the ring.
re:
316. aquak9

I certainly hope you're wrong!
Quoting 322. Patrap:

NOAA Global Climate Change Indicators




I wonder how long before this site disappears.
And finally, a comment from the former CIA Chief in a speech last year as to the intersection between international issues and climate change:

Speaking today at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington, D.C., Central Intelligence Agency Director John Brennan said that CIA analysts see climate change as a deeper cause of the instability seen in places like Syria, Iraq, Ukraine, Yemen and Libya. Mankind's relationship with the natural world is aggravating these problems and is a potential source of crisis itself, Brennan said at one point in his speech. Last year was the warmest on record, and this year is on track to be even warmer. When CIA analysts look for deeper causes of this rising instability, they find nationalistic, sectarian, and technological factors that are eroding the structure of the international system, he said in another part of his speech. They also see socioeconomic trends, the impact of climate change, and other elements that are cause for concern.

My Father was a CIA operative in the 1960's and I was recruited by them in the early 1990's which included trips to DC for orientation and the like (the rest is classified) and I spent time with the brave men and women who labor in anonymity to protect American interests abroad. And they look forward to meeting the US President after they get elected (custom) so that he can assure them of their valued service to the Country and his/her reliance on their work to make decisions. For this precious, and time honored tradition, DT spent time talking to these very intelligent public servants about how many times he made the cover of Time magazine.

Welcome to Doom Con 6....all PWS will be disconnected and no longer available to the public, this website will no longer be available as well. Good day :)

BTW, if you notice everybody has a member date of Dec. 31, 1969....that's because it is 1969!! the world has gone backwards including this blog.
Quoting 323. SunnyDaysFla:



I wonder how long before this site disappears.


If the blog is nothing but negative comments about Trump and his policies against climate change, I wouldn't be surprised if the blog is eventually shut down.
Someone has created a Badlands account to help fill the Twitter void.

Badlands Nat'l Park:
@BadlandsNPS_

“Truth is like the sun. You can shut it out for a time, but it ain't going away.




Badlands Nat'l Park:
‏@BadlandsNPS_

The Badlands were created over eons through the gradual erosion of sediment. The erosion of U.S. democracy, however, will be far more rapid.

Quoting 326. Sfloridacat5:



If the blog is nothing but negative comments about Trump and his policies against climate change, I wouldn't be surprised if the blog is eventually shut down.


I was referring to the NOAA site about climate change that was posted. I am still waiting for a Trump policy or position that I can support.
America's return to Launch Capability is making great strides toward EF-2.

The SLS Program is on time, under budget and really a exciting time at NASA.



In a lab at NASA’s Johnson Space Center in Houston, engineers simulated conditions that astronauts in space suits would experience when the Orion spacecraft is vibrating during launch atop the agency’s powerful Space Launch System rocket on its way to deep space destinations.



We truly are living in interesting times.
Quoting 324. weathermanwannabe:

And finally, a comment from the former CIA Chief in a speech last year as to the intersection between international issues and climate change:

Speaking today at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington, D.C., Central Intelligence Agency Director John Brennan said that CIA analysts see climate change as a deeper cause of the instability seen in places like Syria, Iraq, Ukraine, Yemen and Libya. Mankind's relationship with the natural world is aggravating these problems and is a potential source of crisis itself, Brennan said at one point in his speech. Last year was the warmest on record, and this year is on track to be even warmer. When CIA analysts look for deeper causes of this rising instability, they find nationalistic, sectarian, and technological factors that are eroding the structure of the international system, he said in another part of his speech. They also see socioeconomic trends, the impact of climate change, and other elements that are cause for concern.

My Father was a CIA operative in the 1960's and I was recruited by them in the early 1990's which included trips to DC for orientation and the like (the rest is classified) and I spent time with the brave men and women who labor in anonymity to protect American interests abroad. And they look forward to meeting the US President after they get elected (custom) so that he can assure them of their valued service to the Country and his/her reliance on their work to make decisions. For this precious, and time honored tradition, DT spent time talking to these very intelligent public servants about how many times he made the cover of Time magazine.




I have a family member too who served. Which gives me confidence to say that there is other published science that implicates CO2 but not as a green house gas, because it's text book science that cO2 becomes an ion in clouds and these papers are showing an electrical complexity in tornadoes, the actual subject of this blog post: Link We will see if this post of a peer reviewed paper lasts 10 minutes without censorship in the myopia of the posters here.
The most popular Blog Globally on Hurricanes to Climate Change isn't going anywhere.

And we will always bring those topics and facts about it here, the Nations leadership, when and where it needs it.

Yeah, dis the wu community outright and playing on the ol Heartland meme, "I'm being bullied here", is kinda sad, for a Weds.

But feel free to post any science, as it is what we do here.
I am pretty certain that our beloved Dr. Masters (and Mr. Henson) are backing up all of their Blog posts and information on a back up or thumb-drives just in case................................... :)
JeffMasters has created a new entry.
EPA Scientists' Work May Face 'Case By Case' Review By Trump Team, Official Says

Excerpt:

Scientists at the Environmental Protection Agency who want to publish or present their scientific findings likely will need to have their work reviewed on a "case by case basis" before it can be disseminated, according to a spokesman for the agency's transition team.
Quoting 328. SunnyDaysFla:



I was referring to the NOAA site about climate change that was posted. I am still waiting for a Trump policy or position that I can support.


I would assume because NOAA is a government agency that he will probably have anything promoting the theory of climate change (Global Warming) removed.
Quoting 337. nrtiwlnvragn:

EPA Scientists' Work May Face 'Case By Case' Review By Trump Team, Official Says

Excerpt:

Scientists at the Environmental Protection Agency who want to publish or present their scientific findings likely will need to have their work reviewed on a "case by case basis" before it can be disseminated, according to a spokesman for the agency's transition team.

It's like the old Soviet Union
How soon many groups and individuals forget about the previous administration mandates of gag orders of the NWS and NOAA. The previous administration had for 8 years the full approval of science and MSM and no one was allowed to disagree. Science is not always about honest facts and 2 sided peer reviewed study but more importantly the funding of there studies and Institutions.
When scientists, or their organizations, offer supposedly objective advice that will greatly influence their own interests, we must be highly suspicious of that advice and seek second and third opinions. Dissenters within a discipline should be taken seriously and not treated as outliers who can be ignored. Sometimes the dissenters are really whistle blowers who are willing to risk their careers.
There has been many lengthy report written mostly by scientists making a career of climate modeling. It presents a rosy view of climate models and urges continuation and expansion of the programs -- i.e. more money. The real story is that billions have been tossed down the climate modeling rathole to finance expensive and redundant models of dubious value. The National Academies tell us that a committee of scientists will provide objective advice about the worth of their personal science empires. Unfortunately the National Academies have been getting away with this type of fraud for a long time.
Now many are saying we have censorship from the present administration new rules, when right along the one sided dictatorship of many past administrations were always there and not questioned. What I have seen in the past 5 decades of the never ending money trail is corruption and deceit. Many groups if not all in Washington and universities of science have been built around lies corruption and genocide on most American people. It is time to drain the swamp in Washington and many people who have been on the gravy train for years might have to finally except the truth, if they can handle it.


Scuse me, I hafta go put on my Wed's deep,dish derp Waders.


Lawdy'..




Quoting 340. frank727:

How soon many groups and individuals forget about the previous administration mandates of gag orders of the NWS and NOAA. The previous administration had for 8 years the full approval of science and MSM and no one was allowed to disagree. Science is not always about honest facts and 2 sided peer reviewed study but more importantly the funding of there studies and Institutions.
When scientists, or their organizations, offer supposedly objective advice that will greatly influence their own interests, we must be highly suspicious of that advice and seek second and third opinions. Dissenters within a discipline should be taken seriously and not treated as outliers who can be ignored. Sometimes the dissenters are really whistle blowers who are willing to risk their careers.
There has been many lengthy report written mostly by scientists making a career of climate modeling. It presents a rosy view of climate models and urges continuation and expansion of the programs -- i.e. more money. The real story is that billions have been tossed down the climate modeling rathole to finance expensive and redundant models of dubious value. The National Academies tell us that a committee of scientists will provide objective advice about the worth of their personal science empires. Unfortunately the National Academies have been getting away with this type of fraud for a long time.
Now many are saying we have censorship from the present administration new rules, when right along the one sided dictatorship of many past administrations were always there and not questioned. What I have seen in the past 5 decades of the never ending money trail is corruption and deceit. Many groups if not all in Washington and universities of science have been built around lies corruption and genocide on most American people. It is time to drain the swamp in Washington and many people who have been on the gravy train for years might have to finally except the truth, if they can handle it.



This may be the most inane pile of ideological, anti-science garbage I think I've ever seen in these pages. I say this realizing there's absolutely no hope for those whose brains have been atrophied by soaking in the toxic simmering stew of idiotic drool oozing from the lips of miscreants such as Hannity, Limbaugh, and Breitbart, but, please: try to save yourselves. It's never too late to crawl out from the protective but smothering blanket of ignorance provided by Fox and into the sunshine, but you have to act quickly before it's too late.
Quoting 342. Neapolitan:

This may be the most inane pile of ideological, anti-science garbage I think I've ever seen in these pages. I say this realizing there's absolutely no hope for those whose brains have been atrophied by soaking in the toxic simmering stew of idiotic drool oozing from the lips of miscreants such as Hannity, Limbaugh, and Breitbart, but, please: try to save yourselves. It's never too late to crawl out from the protective but smothering blanket of ignorance provided by Fox and into the sunshine, but you have to act quickly before it's too late.

Thank you Neo for eloquently describing the STUPIDIST derp I have seen since touring the neo con reading room in Birmingham.
344. vis0
Quoting 251. washingaway:


You left out no more freedom of the press. Rule number one for a dictator is to control the information to the people. So reporting on climate change may become unlawful. Who keeps saying "the lying press" while lying? Does anyone here want state sponsored media? Could happen, even Obama said don't underestimate Trump.


REMEMBER the most successful dictators are the ones that wear invisible gold clothing

...in other words to have a dictator that succeeds EVEN in a democracy the Dictator cannot be individually in charge., be a true deep thinker.

Instead it is the core people around him/her (usually 3 to 7) that do the deals and choose the "head-piece" of the monster.

  The Dictator gets the good credit (makes the Dictator feel important - invisible gold clothing) has the charismatic (for that time and era NEEDS) and  window dressing that has enough support from those that "look up" (voted or support  the dictator blindly) at that "leader".  Window dressing as those the look good around him (aka window dressing as sons, wife - though i think wife is much smarter than most think and is trapped in a lose-lose situation).  This makes the dictators followers (sort of private militia/army)   think all is right, when in reality its a placebo (president) affect.

So i disagree in the don't underestimate (JUST) Trump its more like don't underestimate this bully/mob rule where there are just enough connections to set thing Topsy-turvy as to the modern country with the most freedom, sit back and relax terrorist watch "AMERICANS" damage themselves
...soon it will be April 12, all over again (hopefully not as bloody)

When one takes away protection (laws already inn the books)  for nature from the craziest animal on earth - humans - one is dealing with damaging the planet and damaging the flow of weather, the weather that through natures patients and gawds luv generated the perfect climate to create an animal with a self-soul-spirit to act as they desired with the hope that that desire in time flourished to include wisdom in its intellectual actions to the point that a human being would understand that helping the lowest helps all which includes you but helping only a few eventually only you hurts all which includes ...you. 
  (was to be  but in a hurry  have to visit Sis, her cats ill so joined images in haste)
345. vis0
Supporting and sharing laws that help keep a planet healthy that in turn allows humans to have a more fruitful life, it is weather related. 

Posting made up ALTERNATE FACTS to help only a few or greed is NOT weather related but GREED RELATED.

i cannot speak for any of the bloggers here on WxU but i never remember a bloggers subject related to GREED.  At most the asking for money was to pay a small percentage as to a WxU t-shirt or to run a blog which costs more than what is given. (i gave in 2002/2006 quietly, autonomously but by the end of this year will have to give again, anonousmously you'll klnow by the amount io give) cats... gotta go
Quoting 339. LAbonbon:


It's like the old Soviet Union


Right, I was thinking the same. I've had my disagreements with Obama, but he never once used the government to censor scientific facts.

Science organizations and funding for science is a critical role for the government, since after all, one of the roles of government is to provide public safety. The federal government censoring science research and controlling what can be allowed and what can't is VERY dangerous new territory by the government. The sad thing is, most people who supported Trump don't realize how much more socialist and dictator-like that is than anything Obama did during his 8 years in office.

I rest my case.
347. vis0
Quoting 300. washingaway:

Probably old news, but I just found out about it, so: The White House Website Under Trump No Longer Has a Spanish Option

QUE(sedias)?