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An El Niño Coming in 2014?

By: Michael Ventrice 2:58 PM GMT on February 21, 2014

Today's guest blog post is by Dr. Michael Ventrice, an operational scientist for the Energy team at Weather Services International (WSI) - Jeff Masters

We are seeing increasing evidence of an upcoming change in the Pacific Ocean base state that favors the development of a moderate-to-strong El Niño event this Spring/Summer. To begin, here is a snap shot of global sea-surface temperature (SST) anomalies (the departure of temperature from average) 30 days ago:

Note the relatively weak look to the SST anomaly pattern in the equatorial Pacific, with warm anomalies in the western half of the basin and mixed warm and cold anomalies in the eastern half of the basin. The mixed warm/cold signals in the equatorial eastern Pacific are the result of instability “easterly” waves in the ocean, which are associated with short distances between “warm” and “cold” phases. Now let’s compare to what the SST anomaly map looks this week:

We’ve observed strong cooling in the eastern half of the Pacific Basin, giving a spatial map that strongly resembles “La Niña”--the opposite of El Niño. So why I am pushing the idea that El Niño might be right around the corner if the map looks like La Niña!?

It comes down to ocean dynamics. There are other types of waves that are deep in the Pacific Ocean. One such wave is called an “Oceanic Kelvin Wave”. Oceanic Kelvin waves travel only from West to East at extremely slow speeds (2-3 m/s). These waves have been alluded to as the facilitators of El Niño. There two phases of an Oceanic Kelvin wave, the “Upwelling” phase and the “Downwelling” phase. The Upwelling phase of an Oceanic Kelvin wave pushes colder water from the sub-surface towards the surface, resulting in cooling at the surface. The Downwelling phase of an Oceanic Kelvin wave is the opposite, where warmer waters at the surface of the West Pacific warm pool are forced to sink, resulting a deepening of the thermocline and net warming in the sub-surface. To try to illustrate this, imagine someone holding a blanket. They rapidly lift the blanket up (Step 2) and then push it back down (Step 3).

You will get a wave in the blanket, where it travels from the source region (you) towards the opposite direction. This same exact thing happens during Oceanic Kelvin wave events, where the general wave pattern will propagate from west to east. Since Oceanic Kelvin waves travel only from west to the east, you can expect when one phase is located over a region (i.e., today an “Upwelling” phase is in the East Pacific), the opposite phase will soon to follow (i.e., the “Downwelling” phase will be in the East Pacific in 1-2 months). It may be appropriate to illustrate the evolution of the 1997 Super El Niño event to shed some more light on the similarities of the pattern then when compared to now.



Three fields are shown above in the panel of time-longitude plots. The left most figure is of the departure of the west-to-east winds (the "zonal wind anomalies') in the lower troposphere, averaged about the Equator. The figure in the middle is essentially a field to monitor the fluctuations of the thermocline in the Pacific Ocean, or can be thought of as a crude way to isolate the depth of the SST gradient. The right most figure is SST anomalies. In February and March of 1997, we observed strong westerly winds on the surface of the western Pacific (known as “westerly wind bursts”). Strong westerly wind bursts in the lower atmosphere can initiate an oceanic Kelvin wave. We observed a number of oceanic Kelvin waves that Spring, both having upwelling and downwelling phases. With each oceanic Kelvin wave event, the warm pool kept “sloshing” around until the final Kelvin wave event, which reconstructed the base state of the thermocline, and the Super El Niño was born beginning in May 1997, and lasting through April 1998. It was the strongest El Niño event ever recorded.

Let’s take a look at what happens in the sub-surface during one of these “Oceanic Kelvin waves”. Here’s an example from 2003. During the onset of an oceanic Kelvin wave, you will see strong sub-surface warming in the western Pacific, and strong cooling near the surface in the Pacific. With time, the warming pushes eastward in the sub-surface, eventually eroding the cold anomalies in the East Pacific surface, which switch to warm anomalies thereafter.



Some Oceanic Kelvin waves are not strong enough to reconstruct the Pacific Ocean base state, and will only result in minor adjustments. One way to see this is by using the current 20°C isotherm depth and anomaly Hovmoeller plots from February 2014 below. The black solid line represents the center of the “Downwelling” phase (or warming in sub-surface phase); the black-dashed line represents the center of the “Upwelling” phase (or cooling at surface phase).



There have been a series of 3 strong Kelvin waves over the past 7 months. Each Kelvin wave pushed some water from the West Pacific Warm Pool towards the East Pacific, but the subsequent upwelling phase resulted in cooling. This week, a very strong “Upwelling” phase of a Kelvin wave is pushing across the Eastern Pacific, forcing colder waters from the subsurface towards the surface, cooling the Eastern Pacific surface waters. This cooling has put the index we use to track El Niño--the so-called "ENSO 3.4 index"--at -0.5°C, right at the border of La Niña conditions. This is happening while warm surface water is being pushed down into the sub-surface, resulting in massive warming below the surface. Here is the evolution of the sub-surface SST structure beginning in January and ending this week:



Note that there has been strong cooling in the East Pacific, associated with the strong “Upwelling” phase of the Kelvin wave and strong sub-surface warming in the western-central Pacific associated with its “Downwelling” phase. This strong Oceanic Kelvin wave is the reason why today’s SST anomaly snap-shot map has the appearance of a strong La Niña, but is just the result of processes occurring in the Pacific Ocean at sub-seasonal time scales.

The current Kelvin wave in the Pacific Ocean has achieved the same strength as the one that preceded the 1997 Super El Niño event. This is an extremely rare feat but there still has to be a number of things to happen before we can say we are headed towards a strong El Niño. We need to see the continuation of strong westerly winds near the Equator over the Central Pacific to keep the momentum forward.

What caused the development of the strong Oceanic Kelvin wave? A strong westerly wind burst (WWB1) was observed during January 19 - 30 over the equatorial West Pacific:



Note from the time-longitude plot of Madden Julian Oscillation (MJO) filtered velocity potential anomalies at 200 mb (VP200), the convectively active phase of the MJO passed across the Western Pacific in late December through early January. Therefore, WWB1 on January 19 - 30 was likely driven by other features in the atmosphere other than the MJO:




Looking more into the finer details, there was a pair of strong gyres (or “low pressure systems”) mirroring each other about the Equator. One gyre set up shop over the Philippines, and caused major flooding. The gyre south of the Equator set up over northern Australia, and also produced a great deal of precipitation and thunderstorm activity.



Since the flow in the Northern Hemisphere around a low pressure system (or gyre) is counterclockwise, it produces low-level westerly flow to the south of the gyre. Vice versa, flow around a low pressure system in the Southern Hemisphere is clockwise. Thus, to the north of the low, there is also accelerated westerly flow. The net combination of these gyres over the equatorial West Pacific aided in a significant westerly wind burst in late January, as these gyres persisted for nearly 1-2 weeks.

Note that the GFS forecast calls for another amplification of mean westerly flow about the Equator west of the Date Line February 18 - 28 (WWB2). Looking at the 1000mb standardized geopotential height anomaly map, the forecast calls for *two* sets of twin cyclones mirroring each other about the Equator, with one of the Southern Hemisphere gyres forming into a tropical cyclone near the Date Line!



The pair of twin cyclones will likely amplify westerly flow in the medium range, and would likely keep the forward momentum of the Oceanic Kelvin wave, providing more evidence in a possible change of the base state in the Pacific. The kicker for a full blown 1997-like Super El Niño to develop would likely be some additional assistance from the development of early-season Pacific tropical cyclones near the Equator, as the GFS model is starting to hint at south of the Equator. Note that the 1997 Super El Niño event had the help from Category 5 Super Typhoon Isa during early April, which developed close enough to the Equator over the Central Pacific to produce another significant westerly wind burst there, and continue to push the West Pacific Warm Pool eastward.

So as it stands now, the ocean has geared in towards another big eastward push of the West Pacific Warm pool towards the East Pacific. We do need to see more westerly winds develop across the Central Pacific to completely swap the base state this Spring. This piece of the puzzle is difficult to predict at such long time-scales, but there are some indications for this to occur at least in the medium-range. Both the CFSv2 and European seasonal model forecasts are extremely aggressive with this transition to El Niño idea, as shown in the time series plots below:




What does this mean for the U.S. this summer? Well, why it’s still a bit early to be certain, typical conditions over the U.S. during strong El Niño’s favor a ridge over the West and a trough over the East. Therefore, you typically see warmer than average summers over the West Coast, and colder than average temperatures over eastern two thirds of the nation, as shown by a simple surface temperature correlation map with the ENSO 3.4 index:




BOTTOM LINE: The Pacific Ocean is now in a state that could reconstruct the base state of the Pacific, favoring an El Niño to develop later this Spring. That being said, it’s not a locked in solution yet as we need to monitor the atmosphere for future westerly wind bursts to help push the Western Pacific Warm Pool along. Thanks go to NOAA for providing the majority of the images used in this post.

Michael Ventrice

Dr. Michael Ventrice is an operational scientist for the Energy team at Weather Services International (WSI), who provide market-moving weather forecasts and cutting-edge meteorological analysis to hundreds of energy-trading clients worldwide.  Follow the WSI Energy Team on Twitter at @WSI_Energy and @WSI_EuroEnergy.

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Reader Comments

Quoting 966. GTstormChaserCaleb:
At least we don't get those EF 5 tornadoes they get out in tornado alley. I think strongest this state has seen was EF 3. Anyone have the local news turned on to see what it is like in the core of the storm and what the velocity returns are showing?



Nope, there have been a couple of F4's in Central Florida of them being the Tampa Bay area, and quite a few EF2-EF3s, although no tornadoes have been rated EF5.

The F4 that went through Central Florida was at the upper end of the 4 scale though, but a couple violent tornadoes compared to large sums of weaker tornadoes is a big difference.
We don't get nearly as many strong tornadoes as weak ones compared to the Southern plains, that is certain.

Although we've had occasional outbreaks that are shockingly destructive and deadly, we had one in the 2000's as well as in the 1990's as far as recently goes.
Quoting 997. SkulDouggery:
But is the global warming caused by man? or natural cycles? The Earth makes compensations.
The warming has clearly leveled off, and certainly fell short of all model predictions.
B/S show us a chart where it has level off then we will believe you. Until then you are just making stuff up, anyone in here with common sense can see that.
Quoting 997. SkulDouggery:
But is the global warming caused by man? or natural cycles? The Earth makes compensations.
The warming has clearly leveled off, and certainly fell short of all model predictions.


The warming has not leveled off. That's denier propaganda. If you look at a graph of global temperature, there appears to be a very recent leveling off, because maximum values have not been increasing. However, temperatures have been consistently high, whereas previously there had been significant 'dips'. Here are the global average decadal temperatures from NASA GISS, with respect to the average for 1951-80.

1981-90 0.20C
1991-00 0.32C
2001-10 0.55C

The figure for 2011-13 is 0.58C.

Link
1004. flsky
Tornado warning now for me. Be back in a few minutes.
Quoting 999. GTstormChaserCaleb:
Maybe so, but I don't even look at the politics involve and just go based on observation and what actual climate and research scientist are looking at as well as my professors.
1005. Patrap
 
115  
WFUS52 KMLB 232046  
TORMLB  
FLC127-232115-  
/O.NEW.KMLB.TO.W.0004.140223T2046Z-140223T2115Z/  
 
BULLETIN - EAS ACTIVATION REQUESTED  
TORNADO WARNING  
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MELBOURNE FL  
346 PM EST SUN FEB 23 2014  
 
THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN MELBOURNE HAS ISSUED A  
 
* TORNADO WARNING FOR...  
EAST CENTRAL VOLUSIA COUNTY IN FLORIDA...  
THIS INCLUDES THE CITIES OF...SOUTH DAYTONA...PORT ORANGE...NEW  
SMYRNA BEACH...  
 
* UNTIL 415 PM EST.  
 
* AT 342 PM EST...NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE METEOROLOGISTS DETECTED A  
SEVERE THUNDERSTORM CAPABLE OF PRODUCING A TORNADO NEAR NEW SMYRNA  
BEACH AIRPORT AND PORT ORANGE...MOVING EAST NORTHEAST AT 25 MPH.  
 
* OTHER LOCATIONS IN THE WARNING INCLUDE BUT ARE NOT LIMITED TO  
HARBOR OAKS AND PONCE INLET.  
 
PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...  
 
PEOPLE IN THE PATH OF THIS DEVELOPING TORNADO ARE URGED TO QUICKLY  
PREPARE FOR ITS APPROACH.  
 
THE SAFEST PLACE TO BE DURING A TORNADO IS IN A STRONG BUILDING ON  
THE LOWEST FLOOR...IN AN INTERIOR ROOM SUCH AS A BATHROOM OR CLOSET.  
KEEP AWAY FROM WINDOWS. GET UNDER A WORKBENCH OR OTHER PIECE OF  
STURDY FURNITURE. USE BLANKETS OR PILLOWS TO COVER YOUR BODY.  
EVACUATE MOBILE HOMES OR VEHICLES FOR MORE SUBSTANTIAL SHELTER.  
 
 
 
LAT...LON 2912 8094 2910 8093 2908 8093 2908 8091  
2907 8090 2904 8088 2902 8088 2902 8103  
2913 8108 2921 8099  
TIME...MOT...LOC 2045Z 247DEG 20KT 2910 8099  
 
 
 
KELLY
1006. sar2401
Quoting yonzabam:


Allegedly?

After ExxonMobil was chastised by senators for giving $19 million over the years to the Competitive Enterprise Institute and others who are "producing very questionable data" on climate change, as Sen. Jay Rockefeller said, the company has cut back its support for such groups.

Dodged my question, I see. So what do the things highlighted indicate some criminal wrongdoing or a corporation giving money to those that might be helpful? Any idea on how much that same corporation has contributed to the campaigns of Democrats and other assorted liberals? I'm still waiting to see some evidence of that $1 spent on bribing politicians and paying internet trolls.
1007. Patrap

329
WFUS52 KMLB 232047
TORMLB
FLC069-095-117-232130-
/O.NEW.KMLB.TO.W.0005.140223T2047Z-140223T2130Z/

BULLETIN - EAS ACTIVATION REQUESTED
TORNADO WARNING
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MELBOURNE FL
347 PM EST SUN FEB 23 2014

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN MELBOURNE HAS ISSUED A

* TORNADO WARNING FOR...
EAST CENTRAL LAKE COUNTY IN FLORIDA...
THIS INCLUDES THE CITIES OF...MOUNT PLYMOUTH...MOUNT DORA...
CASSIA...
NORTHWESTERN ORANGE COUNTY IN FLORIDA...
THIS INCLUDES THE CITY OF ZELLWOOD...
NORTHWESTERN SEMINOLE COUNTY IN FLORIDA...

* UNTIL 430 PM EST.

* AT 345 PM EST...NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE METEOROLOGISTS DETECTED A
SEVERE THUNDERSTORM CAPABLE OF PRODUCING A TORNADO NEAR MOUNT
DORA...MOVING EAST AT 30 MPH.

* OTHER LOCATIONS IN THE WARNING INCLUDE BUT ARE NOT LIMITED TO
WEKIWA SPRINGS STATE PARK

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

IN ADDITION TO THE TORNADO...THIS STORM IS CAPABLE OF PRODUCING
QUARTER SIZED HAIL AND DESTRUCTIVE STRAIGHT LINE WINDS.

THE SAFEST PLACE TO BE DURING A TORNADO IS IN A STRONG BUILDING ON
THE LOWEST FLOOR...IN AN INTERIOR ROOM SUCH AS A BATHROOM OR CLOSET.
KEEP AWAY FROM WINDOWS. GET UNDER A WORKBENCH OR OTHER PIECE OF
STURDY FURNITURE. USE BLANKETS OR PILLOWS TO COVER YOUR BODY.

EVACUATE MOBILE HOMES OR VEHICLES FOR MORE SUBSTANTIAL SHELTER.



LAT...LON 2895 8138 2870 8137 2871 8171 2883 8173
TIME...MOT...LOC 2047Z 264DEG 24KT 2879 8164



MOSES
I'm not a scientific person, but unless some big development happens I won't believe in CC 100% to what the general consensus (media, government, etc.) puts it at; too many "heartbeats" to measure on this planet. I think it's too vast to know for sure.

Having that said, I still think we should do all we can to eliminate any impacts which could be affecting the earth at any level, even if it's for something we are not 100% sure is actually happening.

Quoting 1001. Jedkins01:



Nope, there have been a couple of F4's in Central Florida of them being the Tampa Bay area, and quite a few EF2-EF3s, although no tornadoes have been rated EF5.

The F4 that went through Central Florida was at the upper end of the 4 scale though, but a couple violent tornadoes compared to large sums of weaker tornadoes is a big difference.
We don't get nearly as many strong tornadoes as weak ones compared to the Southern plains though.


The tornado that hit in the Pinellas Park area back around 1992 was a really bad one. Don't know the rating of it though.
Quoting 1003. yonzabam:


The warming has not leveled off. That's denier propaganda. If you look at a graph of global temperature, there appears to be a very recent leveling off, because maximum values have not been increasing. However, temperatures have been consistently high, whereas previously there had been significant 'dips'. Here are the global average decadal temperatures from NASA GISS, with respect to the average for 1951-80.

1981-90 +0.20C
1991-00 +0.32C
2001-10 +0.55C

The figure for 2011-13 is +0.58C.
Worth showing again.
1011. Patrap
1012. ncstorm
SPC dropped the ball?



updated 2:41

DAY 1 CONVECTIVE OUTLOOK
NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
0141 PM CST SUN FEB 23 2014

VALID 232000Z - 241200Z

...NO SVR TSTM AREAS FORECAST...

A COUPLE CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE TO THE OUTLOOK FOR THIS ISSUANCE.
THE FIRST CHANGE IS TO ADD A SMALL 2 PERCENT TORNADO CONTOUR IN NRN
FL FOR THE ROTATING STORMS THAT ARE MOVING INTO THE DAYTONA
BEACH/FLAGLER BEACH VICINITY. THE SECOND CHANGE IS TO TRIM THE 5
PERCENT WIND AND HAIL PROBABILITIES IN NRN FL...NORTH AND EAST OF
GAINESVILLE FL WHERE RAIN HAS STABILIZED THE AIRMASS.
1013. sar2401
Quoting SkulDouggery:
But is the global warming caused by man? or natural cycles? The Earth makes compensations.
The warming has clearly leveled off, and certainly fell short of all model predictions.

It really hasn't leveled off. The rate of increase has slowed somewhat but the trend is still upward. Although I remain skeptical that we know all the causes, I really do try to get factual information.
Quoting 996. GTstormChaserCaleb:
People, people, people, start using some common sense for once. The Arctic Ice is melting, just look at all the graphics we post in here. Look at the amount of C02 level that has gone up in PPM and look at Global Temperatures, to sit here and say otherwise is just plain silly. There is no more debate in this the science has been proven, researchers have gone out there way to prove it, I suggest if you have doubt go out with these research scientist and see it for yourself. Sometimes seeing is believing, when you don't believe something you have to go see it. And if you still don't believe it, well hopefully you'll come to the realization in a few years. That's all I can say on that. Wish we weren't acting like this is a debate anymore :(.

Common sense tells me not to believe everything I'm told by government. Global warming science is predominantly funded by government. Why has the artic ice grown in area this year? Side effect of global warming?
And historically, Co2 levels have risen and dropped long before fossil fuels were used - If your going to question ones comman sense, explain why that occurred?
I am looking at a funnel cloud right now with very impressive rotation.

Large hail as well the size of tennis balls
Quoting 997. SkulDouggery:
But is the global warming caused by man? or natural cycles? The Earth makes compensations.
The warming has clearly leveled off, and certainly fell short of all model predictions.

I think it's too hard to know how much of what we are perceiving is natural earth cycles or Man made CC.

Or if man made CC is rampantly messing up the atmosphere as is the general consensus, then how do we know to distinguish between the natural cycles and that?
Nothing on the ground just serious rotation
Quoting 1016. StormTrackerScott:
Large hail as well the size of tennis balls


sounds fun..

a someone at daytona saw the tornado to the north
SevereStudios ‏@severestudios · 43 seg
RT @KerriCopello: Cell south of Daytona -- WOW! @NWSJacksonville RT @McMurrica: Link

Quoting 1006. sar2401:

Dodged my question, I see. So what do the things highlighted indicate some criminal wrongdoing or a corporation giving money to those that might be helpful? Any idea on how much that same corporation has contributed to the campaigns of Democrats and other assorted liberals? I'm still waiting to see some evidence of that $1 spent on bribing politicians and paying internet trolls.


Well, like I said, I'm not here to fetch and carry for you, and demanding evidence for every assertion is a typical denier stonewalling tactic.

The tactics used by the oil industry to obfuscate the science are exactly the same as were used by the tobacco industry to deny the evidence that smoking causes disease, and are every bit as shameful. 'Scientists' were bribed to cast doubt on the evidence for tobacco related illness. They should have been sent to prison.
Quoting 1002. GTstormChaserCaleb:
B/S show us a chart where it has level off then we will believe you. Until then you are just making stuff up, anyone in here with common sense can see that.


Really - wow! B/S and "making stuff up". That's what I get from you people when we disagree and debate.
Yet you represent the "scientific side" of the debate, right? LOL
1023. flsky
Care to tell us where????
Quoting 1015. StormTrackerScott:
I am looking at a funnel cloud right now with very impressive rotation.

Quoting 1014. SkulDouggery:

Common sense tells me not to believe everything I'm told by government. Global warming science is predominantly funded by government. Why has the artic ice grown in area this year? Side effect of global warming?
And historically, Co2 levels have risen and dropped long before fossil fuels were used - If your going to question ones comman sense, explain why that occurred?


While I can agree with you about Govt to some extent but not here.

As far as ice - never look at just one year or at just one place. It is global and you have to look at long term effects.
1025. ncstorm
Quoting 1022. SkulDouggery:


Really - wow! B/S and "making stuff up". That's what I get from you people when we disagree and debate.
Yet you represent the "scientific side" of the debate, right? LOL


it has been a lot of questionable debates today..rules dont apply on Sundays..
Quoting 1014. SkulDouggery:

Common sense tells me not to believe everything I'm told by government. Global warming science is predominantly funded by government. Why has the artic ice grown in area this year? Side effect of global warming?
And historically, Co2 levels have risen and dropped long before fossil fuels were used - If your going to question ones comman sense, explain why that occurred?
Again I suggest you take a class in Climatology or go out on a research trip to the Arctic with a group of students and scientists, there is more to just one year where the ice recovers, you are not looking at the large scale picture and only nitpicking at 1 year of data.
Quoting 1015. StormTrackerScott:
I am looking at a funnel cloud right now with very impressive rotation.



Your batteries charged up in your camera? You might need to run outside and take some pics. Storms creeping down towards Orlando.
Quoting 1022. SkulDouggery:


Really - wow! B/S and "making stuff up". That's what I get from you people when we disagree and debate.
Yet you represent the "scientific side" of the debate, right? LOL


You didn't debate. You threw something out there. Give facts in what you are saying and that will create a debate.
Quoting 1017. opal92nwf:

I think it's too hard to know how much of what we are perceiving is natural earth cycles or Man made CC.

Or if man made CC is rampantly messing up the atmosphere as is the general consensus, then how do we know to distinguish between the natural cycles and that?


All natural cycles have an underlying scientific mechanism, although it's possible we may not understand all of them. Nevertheless, the onus is on those who say it could be 'natural' to propose a mechanism. Solar variability doesn't apply, as the current solar maximum is actually the weakest for over a hundred years.
Quoting 1022. SkulDouggery:


Really - wow! B/S and "making stuff up". That's what I get from you people when we disagree and debate.
Yet you represent the "scientific side" of the debate, right? LOL
You have yet to even show a chart of the temperatures leveling off.
Quoting 1024. jrweatherman:


While I can agree with you about Govt to some extent but not here.

As far as ice - never look at just one year or at just one place. It is global and you have to look at long term effects.

I understand Jr, but every streak has to start at some point. I'm hoping it starts here and turns into a trend!
Quoting 1023. flsky:
Care to tell us where????


SR 46 northern seminole county
Quoting 1032. SkulDouggery:

I understand Jr, but every streak has to start at some point. I'm hoping it starts here and turns into a trend!


You are correct. If man is not causing GW then in years the temp change has it has in the past. However, if man is the cause then short term fluctuations are discounted and the long term temps will continue to slowly rise.
Quoting 1033. StormTrackerScott:


SR 46 northern seminole county


Any chance of storms later today in Clearwater?
Here are total F4's in the country, as you can see only 2 of them in Florida:

Link

Of the two that did, both occurred in Central Florida and began in the Tampa Bay area, specifically Pinellas County:

Link


There have actually been 35 rated at F3, this might be surprisingly higher than some might expect:


Link

There have been 316 rated F2:

Link

There have been 846 rated F1:

Link


There have been 1796 F0:

Link

There has been a total of 3139 tornadoes in the state since 1950:

Link

The Weather Channel ‏@weatherchannel · 2 min
2:50pm photo of #Daytona500 #tornado warned cell MT @shawnmilrad: shelf cloud looking north on 95 towards Daytona Link



The Weather Channel ‏@weatherchannel · 5 min
4pm: Radar shows possible #tornado near Mount Plymouth, FL moving E at 30 mph. Sanford, this is heading your way. (Metro Orlando)
1038. Dakster
Quoting 1033. StormTrackerScott:


SR 46 northern seminole county


Time to take out the lawnchair and chain yourself to a tree with that funnel cloud coming... (Ala Toby Keith)

Get some good pics for us too.
1039. Patrap
Quoting 1012. ncstorm:
SPC dropped the ball?



updated 2:41

DAY 1 CONVECTIVE OUTLOOK
NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
0141 PM CST SUN FEB 23 2014

VALID 232000Z - 241200Z

...NO SVR TSTM AREAS FORECAST...

A COUPLE CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE TO THE OUTLOOK FOR THIS ISSUANCE.
THE FIRST CHANGE IS TO ADD A SMALL 2 PERCENT TORNADO CONTOUR IN NRN
FL FOR THE ROTATING STORMS THAT ARE MOVING INTO THE DAYTONA
BEACH/FLAGLER BEACH VICINITY. THE SECOND CHANGE IS TO TRIM THE 5
PERCENT WIND AND HAIL PROBABILITIES IN NRN FL...NORTH AND EAST OF
GAINESVILLE FL WHERE RAIN HAS STABILIZED THE AIRMASS.


If you missed these, well, sorry.

The SPC has a method, you should check it out maybe.






MESOSCALE DISCUSSION 0151
NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
1250 PM CST SUN FEB 23 2014

AREAS AFFECTED...PARTS OF NRN INTO E-CNTRL FL

CONCERNING...SEVERE POTENTIAL...WATCH UNLIKELY

VALID 231850Z - 232045Z

PROBABILITY OF WATCH ISSUANCE...5 PERCENT

SUMMARY...A LOCALIZED AND MARGINAL RISK FOR STRONG WINDS AND HAIL
SHOULD PERSIST INTO EARLY EVENING. A FEW MULTICELL CLUSTERS WILL
TRACK ACROSS THE NRN PORTION OF THE PENINSULA...WHILE ADDITIONAL
TSTMS SHOULD FORM SWD ALONG THE E COAST SEA BREEZE.

DISCUSSION...SERN PORTION OF A LONG-LIVED MCS HAS RECENTLY OVERTAKEN
THE SURFACE WARM FRONT ACROSS THE NRN PENINSULA...EFFECTIVELY
INHIBITING ANY FURTHER NWD ADVANCEMENT. A RELATIVELY ROBUST
TEMPERATURE DIFFERENTIAL IS NOW APPARENT WITH INSOLATION S OF THE
BOUNDARY SUPPORTING TEMPERATURES INTO THE LOWER 80S...WITH UPPER 50S
NOTED IN THE COLD POOL. ALTHOUGH 0-1 KM WINDS ARE WEAK IN TBW/MLB
VWP DATA...3-5 KM AGL WINDS AOA 40 KT HAVE BEEN SAMPLED BY TLH/JAX
VWP IN THE DECAYING/STRATIFORM PORTION OF THE MCS. GIVEN THE
ROBUSTNESS OF THE DIFFERENTIAL HEATING CORRIDOR AND LYING ON THE
FRINGE OF MODERATE MID-LEVEL SWLYS...MULTICELL CLUSTERS SHOULD
PERSIST AND BE CAPABLE OF LOCALIZED DAMAGING WINDS AND MARGINALLY
SEVERE HAIL. CONVECTIVE OUTFLOW AND SEA-BREEZE INTERACTIONS SHOULD
YIELD SWD DEVELOPMENT OF UPDRAFTS INTO E-CNTRL FL IN THE LATE
AFTERNOON.

..GRAMS/HART.. 02/23/2014


ATTN...WFO...MLB...TBW...JAX...

LAT...LON 29368268 29718096 27628030 27608072 28198130 28558199
28858268 29368268
Ocala FL needs a radar
Quoting 1030. GTstormChaserCaleb:
You have yet to even show a chart of the temperatures leveling off.

Sorry its long, but you ask for it:

Climate change skeptics are doing a bit of gloating following a series of mainstream media reports that acknowledge what those skeptics have long held -- the earth is not warming, at least not in the last 10 years.

"The idea that CO2 is the tail that wags the dog is no longer scientifically tenable," said Marc Morano of ClimateDepot.com, a website devoted to countering the prevailing acceptance of man-made global warming.

In recent weeks, Der Spiegel, the Telegraph and the Economist have reported the unexpected stabilizing of global surface temperatures. Even former NASA scientist and outspoken climate change activist James Hansen has acknowledged the 10-year lull.

Morano said: "In the peer-reviewed literature we're finding hundreds of factors influence global temperature, everything from ocean cycles to the tilt of the earth's axis to water vapor, methane, cloud feedback, volcanic dust, all of these factors are coming together. They're now realizing it wasn't the simple story we've been told of your SUV is creating a dangerously warm planet."

Many climate scientists and environmentalists agree with Morano's description of climate complexity, but reject his denials of global warming as a problem.

"This is a highly complex calculation to make in the first place. The short period of time, only 10 years in which the increasing temperature has leveled, really doesn't tell us very much other than the fact that temperatures may still be rising but just not as fast as they were before," said Elgie Holstein, the senior director for strategic planning at the Environmental Defense Fund and a former assistant secretary at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

"What's compelling about the climate science," Holstein said, "is that we have literally thousands of the world's leading scientists around the country pretty much saying the same thing about where we're headed, and it's not reassuring."

But the surface temperature stabilization suggests that computer models which predict harsh consequences of global warming may need reassessing.

As The Economist put it on March 30, "It may be that the climate is responding to higher concentrations of carbon dioxide in ways that had not been properly understood before. This possibility, if true, could have profound significance both for climate science and for environmental and social policy."

Indeed, no one disputes that levels of carbon dioxide are increasing globally, but CO2's impact has not been as great as many scientists had predicted.

"In the peer-reviewed literature, they've tried to explain away this lull," said Morano. "In the proceedings of the National Academy of Science a year or two ago they had a study blaming Chinese coal use for the lack of global warming. So, in an ironic twist, global warming proponents are now claiming that that coal use is saving us from dangerous global warming."

Holstein believes the temperature lull is not entirely unexpected or unpredicted.

"We're within ranges of these climate models that are saying we're still on track to some pretty troublesome impacts if we don't do something about it," he said.

A Gallup survey conducted March 7-10 found 58 percent of Americans say they worry a great deal or fair amount about global warming.

That was up from 51 percent in 2011 -- but still below the 62-72 percent levels seen between 1999 and 2001.


Doug McKelway joined Fox News Channel (FNC) in November 2010 and serves as a Washington-based correspondent

I don't usually put items on here because it takes a lot of space.
For every story you can find, I can find an opposing story which was the point in the first place. Why is there such debate if man made global warming is a foregone conclusion?


Quoting 1036. Jedkins01:
Here are total F4's in the country, as you can see only 2 of them in Florida:

Link

Of the two that did, both occurred in Central Florida and began in the Tampa Bay area, specifically Pinellas County:

Link


There have actually been 35 rated at F3, this might be surprisingly higher than some might expect:


Link

There have been 316 rated F2:

Link

There have been 846 rated F1:

Link


There have been 1796 F0:

Link

There has been a total of 3139 tornadoes in the state since 1950:

Link
You got me there I kept thinking the one that his in Kissimmee was the strongest this state had ever seen.
1043. Dakster
Quoting 1036. Jedkins01:
Here are total F4's in the country, as you can see only 2 of them in Florida:

Link

Of the two that did, both occurred in Central Florida and began in the Tampa Bay area, specifically Pinellas County:

Link


There have actually been 35 rated at F3, this might be surprisingly higher than some might expect:


Link

There have been 316 rated F2:

Link

There have been 846 rated F1:

Link


There have been 1796 F0:

Link

There has been a total of 3139 tornadoes in the state since 1950:

Link


How many of them hit a trailer park?
Getting heavy hail at SR 46 and Markham woods rd.
It's really not hard to understand. Carbon Dioxide is a heat-trapping gas. Carbon Dioxide has been increasing significantly since the mid-1900s. The temperature has been rising proportionally, and will continue to do so if appropriate action is not taken.
BULLETIN - EAS ACTIVATION REQUESTED
TORNADO WARNING
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MELBOURNE FL
409 PM EST SUN FEB 23 2014

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN MELBOURNE HAS ISSUED A

* TORNADO WARNING FOR...
NORTHERN BREVARD COUNTY IN FLORIDA...
THIS INCLUDES THE CITIES OF...SCOTTSMOOR...PLAYALINDA BEACH...
MIMS
EAST CENTRAL LAKE COUNTY IN FLORIDA...
THIS INCLUDES THE CITIES OF...MOUNT PLYMOUTH...
NORTHWESTERN ORANGE COUNTY IN FLORIDA...
THIS INCLUDES THE CITY OF APOPKA...
SEMINOLE COUNTY IN FLORIDA...
THIS INCLUDES THE CITIES OF...WINTER SPRINGS...SANFORD...OVIEDO...
LONGWOOD...LAKE MARY...LAKE JESSUP...GENEVA...CASSELBERRY...
SOUTHEASTERN VOLUSIA COUNTY IN FLORIDA...
THIS INCLUDES THE CITIES OF...OAK HILL...EDGEWATER...DELTONA...
DEBARY...

* UNTIL 515 PM EST.

* AT 404 PM EST...NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE METEOROLOGISTS DETECTED A
SEVERE THUNDERSTORM CAPABLE OF PRODUCING A TORNADO NEAR MOUNT
PLYMOUTH...MOVING EAST AT 40 MPH.

* OTHER LOCATIONS IN THE WARNING INCLUDE BUT ARE NOT LIMITED TO
LONGWOOD...SANFORD AIRPORT...MIDWAY...OSTEEN...MAYTOWN...BETHUNE
BEACH...APOLLO BEACH...KENNEDY SPACE CENTER...MERRITT ISLAND
WILDLIFE REFUGE AND KLONDIKE BEACH
1047. Dakster
Quoting 1044. StormTrackerScott:
Getting heavy hail at SR 46 and Markham woods rd.


What size is heavy hail?
Quoting 1012. ncstorm:
SPC dropped the ball?



updated 2:41

DAY 1 CONVECTIVE OUTLOOK
NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
0141 PM CST SUN FEB 23 2014

VALID 232000Z - 241200Z

...NO SVR TSTM AREAS FORECAST...

A COUPLE CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE TO THE OUTLOOK FOR THIS ISSUANCE.
THE FIRST CHANGE IS TO ADD A SMALL 2 PERCENT TORNADO CONTOUR IN NRN
FL FOR THE ROTATING STORMS THAT ARE MOVING INTO THE DAYTONA
BEACH/FLAGLER BEACH VICINITY. THE SECOND CHANGE IS TO TRIM THE 5
PERCENT WIND AND HAIL PROBABILITIES IN NRN FL...NORTH AND EAST OF
GAINESVILLE FL WHERE RAIN HAS STABILIZED THE AIRMASS.



The SPC often goes very conservative with Florida.

I have seen as get quite a few significant events under no watch box with see text or general thunderstorms for the outlook.

I don't think even the worst outbreaks in the State that featured strong dynamics resulting in multiple strong tornadoes with deaths and injuries had anything more than a slight risk preceding them.

The SPC doesn't pretend they aren't aware of the issue, they actually wrote a very nice detailed report on the difficulty of forecasting tornadoes and severe weather over Florida, much of the fact that its a peninsula.

The AMS has some journals on it as well.
Quoting 1041. SkulDouggery:

Sorry its long, but you ask for it:

Climate change skeptics are doing a bit of gloating following a series of mainstream media reports that acknowledge what those skeptics have long held -- the earth is not warming, at least not in the last 10 years.

"The idea that CO2 is the tail that wags the dog is no longer scientifically tenable," said Marc Morano of ClimateDepot.com, a website devoted to countering the prevailing acceptance of man-made global warming.

In recent weeks, Der Spiegel, the Telegraph and the Economist have reported the unexpected stabilizing of global surface temperatures. Even former NASA scientist and outspoken climate change activist James Hansen has acknowledged the 10-year lull.

Morano said: "In the peer-reviewed literature we're finding hundreds of factors influence global temperature, everything from ocean cycles to the tilt of the earth's axis to water vapor, methane, cloud feedback, volcanic dust, all of these factors are coming together. They're now realizing it wasn't the simple story we've been told of your SUV is creating a dangerously warm planet."

Many climate scientists and environmentalists agree with Morano's description of climate complexity, but reject his denials of global warming as a problem.

"This is a highly complex calculation to make in the first place. The short period of time, only 10 years in which the increasing temperature has leveled, really doesn't tell us very much other than the fact that temperatures may still be rising but just not as fast as they were before," said Elgie Holstein, the senior director for strategic planning at the Environmental Defense Fund and a former assistant secretary at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

"What's compelling about the climate science," Holstein said, "is that we have literally thousands of the world's leading scientists around the country pretty much saying the same thing about where we're headed, and it's not reassuring."

But the surface temperature stabilization suggests that computer models which predict harsh consequences of global warming may need reassessing.

As The Economist put it on March 30, "It may be that the climate is responding to higher concentrations of carbon dioxide in ways that had not been properly understood before. This possibility, if true, could have profound significance both for climate science and for environmental and social policy."

Indeed, no one disputes that levels of carbon dioxide are increasing globally, but CO2's impact has not been as great as many scientists had predicted.

"In the peer-reviewed literature, they've tried to explain away this lull," said Morano. "In the proceedings of the National Academy of Science a year or two ago they had a study blaming Chinese coal use for the lack of global warming. So, in an ironic twist, global warming proponents are now claiming that that coal use is saving us from dangerous global warming."

Holstein believes the temperature lull is not entirely unexpected or unpredicted.

"We're within ranges of these climate models that are saying we're still on track to some pretty troublesome impacts if we don't do something about it," he said.

A Gallup survey conducted March 7-10 found 58 percent of Americans say they worry a great deal or fair amount about global warming.

That was up from 51 percent in 2011 -- but still below the 62-72 percent levels seen between 1999 and 2001.


Doug McKelway joined Fox News Channel (FNC) in November 2010 and serves as a Washington-based correspondent

I don't usually put items on here because it takes a lot of space.
For every story you can find, I can find an opposing story which was the point in the first place. Why is there such debate if man made global warming is a foregone conclusion?


You dug your own grave and it was exactly what I was alluding too, that you are looking at a small sample size as opposed to the larger picture..."Indeed, no one disputes that levels of carbon dioxide are increasing globally, but CO2's impact has not been as great as many scientists had predicted." Based on what? What this article says, should I believe what the some news outlet says or the IPCC?
1050. Patrap
This is yer source story skul,

..since you failed to link the actual html, or other.

POLITICS

Climate change skeptics seize on reports showing temperatures leveling
Doug McKelway
By Doug McKelway
Published April 09, 2013
FoxNews.com



Climate change skeptics are doing a bit of gloating following a series of mainstream media reports that acknowledge what those skeptics have long held -- the earth is not warming, at least not in the last 10 years.

"The idea that CO2 is the tail that wags the dog is no longer scientifically tenable," said Marc Morano of ClimateDepot.com, a website devoted to countering the prevailing acceptance of man-made global warming.

In recent weeks, Der Spiegel, the Telegraph and the Economist have reported the unexpected stabilizing of global surface temperatures. Even former NASA scientist and outspoken climate change activist James Hansen has acknowledged the 10-year lull.

Morano said: "In the peer-reviewed literature we're finding hundreds of factors influence global temperature, everything from ocean cycles to the tilt of the earth's axis to water vapor, methane, cloud feedback, volcanic dust, all of these factors are coming together. They're now realizing it wasn't the simple story we've been told of your SUV is creating a dangerously warm planet."

Many climate scientists and environmentalists agree with Morano's description of climate complexity, but reject his denials of global warming as a problem.

"This is a highly complex calculation to make in the first place. The short period of time, only 10 years in which the increasing temperature has leveled, really doesn't tell us very much other than the fact that temperatures may still be rising but just not as fast as they were before," said Elgie Holstein, the senior director for strategic planning at the Environmental Defense Fund and a former assistant secretary at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

"What's compelling about the climate science," Holstein said, "is that we have literally thousands of the world's leading scientists around the country pretty much saying the same thing about where we're headed, and it's not reassuring."

But the surface temperature stabilization suggests that computer models which predict harsh consequences of global warming may need reassessing.

As The Economist put it on March 30, "It may be that the climate is responding to higher concentrations of carbon dioxide in ways that had not been properly understood before. This possibility, if true, could have profound significance both for climate science and for environmental and social policy."

Indeed, no one disputes that levels of carbon dioxide are increasing globally, but CO2's impact has not been as great as many scientists had predicted.

"In the peer-reviewed literature, they've tried to explain away this lull," said Morano. "In the proceedings of the National Academy of Science a year or two ago they had a study blaming Chinese coal use for the lack of global warming. So, in an ironic twist, global warming proponents are now claiming that that coal use is saving us from dangerous global warming."

Holstein believes the temperature lull is not entirely unexpected or unpredicted.

"We're within ranges of these climate models that are saying we're still on track to some pretty troublesome impacts if we don't do something about it," he said.

A Gallup survey conducted March 7-10 found 58 percent of Americans say they worry a great deal or fair amount about global warming.

That was up from 51 percent in 2011 -- but still below the 62-72 percent levels seen between 1999 and 2001.


Doug McKelway joined Fox News Channel (FNC) in November 2010 and serves as a Washington-based correspondent.

1051. Patrap
And to be sure,..the meat comes befo da pudding.

"The idea that CO2 is the tail that wags the dog is no longer scientifically tenable," said Marc Morano of ClimateDepot.com, a website devoted to countering the prevailing acceptance of man-made global warming.
1052. Dakster
Patrap - Ahhhhhh. A Faux News post.
Quoting 1042. GTstormChaserCaleb:
You got me there I kept thinking the one that his in Kissimmee was the strongest this state had ever seen.


Well the same F4 that hit the Tampa Bay area also tracked through Kissimmee, in fact in came on shore as a violent waterspout and exited the state as still an F4, it made it across the whole state as a violent tornado.

It was probably the most violent waterspout ever in the eastern gulf, lol.

in fact the first F4 Damage was rated right up to the coastline as it moved onshore, it was reportedly at least a massive quarter-mile wide waterspout when it came off the gulf.


Definitely not your typical Florida tornado event. It was more like a OKC area tornado, long tracked and very large.
1054. Patrap
MOSES a Busy Man in Melbourne this afternoon.


 
990  
WFUS52 KMLB 232109  
TORMLB  
FLC009-069-095-117-127-232215-  
/O.NEW.KMLB.TO.W.0006.140223T2109Z-140223T2215Z/  
 
BULLETIN - EAS ACTIVATION REQUESTED  
TORNADO WARNING  
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MELBOURNE FL  
409 PM EST SUN FEB 23 2014  
 
THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN MELBOURNE HAS ISSUED A  
 
* TORNADO WARNING FOR...  
NORTHERN BREVARD COUNTY IN FLORIDA...  
THIS INCLUDES THE CITIES OF...SCOTTSMOOR...PLAYALINDA BEACH...  
MIMS  
EAST CENTRAL LAKE COUNTY IN FLORIDA...  
THIS INCLUDES THE CITIES OF...MOUNT PLYMOUTH...  
NORTHWESTERN ORANGE COUNTY IN FLORIDA...  
THIS INCLUDES THE CITY OF APOPKA...  
SEMINOLE COUNTY IN FLORIDA...  
THIS INCLUDES THE CITIES OF...WINTER SPRINGS...SANFORD...OVIEDO...  
LONGWOOD...LAKE MARY...LAKE JESSUP...GENEVA...CASSELBERRY...  
SOUTHEASTERN VOLUSIA COUNTY IN FLORIDA...  
THIS INCLUDES THE CITIES OF...OAK HILL...EDGEWATER...DELTONA...  
DEBARY...  
 
* UNTIL 515 PM EST.  
 
* AT 404 PM EST...NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE METEOROLOGISTS DETECTED A  
SEVERE THUNDERSTORM CAPABLE OF PRODUCING A TORNADO NEAR MOUNT  
PLYMOUTH...MOVING EAST AT 40 MPH.  
 
* OTHER LOCATIONS IN THE WARNING INCLUDE BUT ARE NOT LIMITED TO  
LONGWOOD...SANFORD AIRPORT...MIDWAY...OSTEEN...MAYTOWN...BETHUNE  
BEACH...APOLLO BEACH...KENNEDY SPACE CENTER...MERRITT ISLAND  
WILDLIFE REFUGE AND KLONDIKE BEACH  
 
PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...  
 
DO NOT USE HIGHWAY OVERPASSES FOR SHELTER. OVERPASSES DO NOT PROVIDE  
PROTECTION FROM TORNADIC WINDS. VEHICLES STOPPED UNDER BRIDGES BLOCK  
TRAFFIC AND PREVENT PEOPLE FROM GETTING OUT OF THE STORM'S PATH AND  
TO SHELTER.  
 
THE SAFEST PLACE TO BE DURING A TORNADO IS IN A STRONG BUILDING ON  
THE LOWEST FLOOR...IN AN INTERIOR ROOM SUCH AS A BATHROOM OR CLOSET.  
KEEP AWAY FROM WINDOWS. GET UNDER A WORKBENCH OR OTHER PIECE OF  
STURDY FURNITURE. USE BLANKETS OR PILLOWS TO COVER YOUR BODY.  
 
EVACUATE MOBILE HOMES OR VEHICLES FOR MORE SUBSTANTIAL SHELTER.  
 
 
 
LAT...LON 2901 8087 2894 8083 2893 8081 2878 8071  
2873 8068 2869 8064 2862 8060 2863 8079  
2864 8080 2864 8081 2863 8081 2867 8155  
2888 8155  
TIME...MOT...LOC 2108Z 270DEG 34KT 2879 8142  
 
 
 
MOSES
Since when did the news become a reliable resource? LOL, certainly wouldn't be accepted on a research paper in college or university, probably would result in an automatic "F" depending on what kind of teacher you had. Some of you all crack me up. I am actually sitting over here laughing and enjoying myself.
1056. Patrap

Quoting 1052. Dakster:
Patrap - Ahhhhhh. A Faux News post.

Magine dat ? Dak.

; )

1057. flsky
They were showing pics from that one on the news the other day. Very heavy damage. Looked like it could have been at least an F2. I've had 2 close calls since I've lived here. One about 5 miles north and one about 5 miles south. The one north hit Embry Riddle Aeronautical Univ and destroyed most of their planes and at least one large bldg that ndd rebuilding. The one south tore up about 15 houses and quite a few mobile homes.
Quoting 1042. GTstormChaserCaleb:
You got me there I kept thinking the one that his in Kissimmee was the strongest this state had ever seen.
1058. Patrap
Quoting 1048. Jedkins01:



The SPC often goes very conservative with Florida.

I have seen as get quite a few significant events under no watch box with see text or general thunderstorms for the outlook.

I don't think even the worst outbreaks in the State that featured strong dynamics resulting in multiple strong tornadoes with deaths and injuries had anything more than a slight risk preceding them.

The SPC doesn't pretend they aren't aware of the issue, they actually wrote a very nice detailed report on the difficulty of forecasting tornadoes and severe weather over Florida, much of the fact that its a peninsula.

The AMS has some journals on it as well.


I completely agree with you with their conservative look at Florida. Many times we hear something from them when it is almost too late.
1060. flsky
Gotta be careful with those Pink Floyd quotes. Some can be seriously misconstrued.
Quoting 1051. Patrap:
And to be sure,..the meat comes befo da pudding.

"The idea that CO2 is the tail that wags the dog is no longer scientifically tenable," said Marc Morano of ClimateDepot.com, a website devoted to countering the prevailing acceptance of man-made global warming.
The Weather Channel ‏@weatherchannel · 14 seg
4:26pm: Central Florida Zoo in Sanford likely seeing large hail right now - under the most #severe part of the storm.

1062. Patrap
Golf Ball size is coating the ground. lots of damage in Sanford
1064. ncstorm
Quoting 1039. Patrap:


If you missed these, well, sorry.

The SPC has a method, you should check it out maybe.






MESOSCALE DISCUSSION 0151
NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
1250 PM CST SUN FEB 23 2014

AREAS AFFECTED...PARTS OF NRN INTO E-CNTRL FL

CONCERNING...SEVERE POTENTIAL...WATCH UNLIKELY

VALID 231850Z - 232045Z

PROBABILITY OF WATCH ISSUANCE...5 PERCENT

SUMMARY...A LOCALIZED AND MARGINAL RISK FOR STRONG WINDS AND HAIL
SHOULD PERSIST INTO EARLY EVENING. A FEW MULTICELL CLUSTERS WILL
TRACK ACROSS THE NRN PORTION OF THE PENINSULA...WHILE ADDITIONAL
TSTMS SHOULD FORM SWD ALONG THE E COAST SEA BREEZE.

DISCUSSION...SERN PORTION OF A LONG-LIVED MCS HAS RECENTLY OVERTAKEN
THE SURFACE WARM FRONT ACROSS THE NRN PENINSULA...EFFECTIVELY
INHIBITING ANY FURTHER NWD ADVANCEMENT. A RELATIVELY ROBUST
TEMPERATURE DIFFERENTIAL IS NOW APPARENT WITH INSOLATION S OF THE
BOUNDARY SUPPORTING TEMPERATURES INTO THE LOWER 80S...WITH UPPER 50S
NOTED IN THE COLD POOL. ALTHOUGH 0-1 KM WINDS ARE WEAK IN TBW/MLB
VWP DATA...3-5 KM AGL WINDS AOA 40 KT HAVE BEEN SAMPLED BY TLH/JAX
VWP IN THE DECAYING/STRATIFORM PORTION OF THE MCS. GIVEN THE
ROBUSTNESS OF THE DIFFERENTIAL HEATING CORRIDOR AND LYING ON THE
FRINGE OF MODERATE MID-LEVEL SWLYS...MULTICELL CLUSTERS SHOULD
PERSIST AND BE CAPABLE OF LOCALIZED DAMAGING WINDS AND MARGINALLY
SEVERE HAIL. CONVECTIVE OUTFLOW AND SEA-BREEZE INTERACTIONS SHOULD
YIELD SWD DEVELOPMENT OF UPDRAFTS INTO E-CNTRL FL IN THE LATE
AFTERNOON.

..GRAMS/HART.. 02/23/2014


ATTN...WFO...MLB...TBW...JAX...

LAT...LON 29368268 29718096 27628030 27608072 28198130 28558199
28858268 29368268


well crap Patrap..I should have clicked more into the thunderstorm probabilities map which mentions tornado possibilities..not!..See I posted the discussion where they had to update due to the tornado risk..but continue to carry on..its all about a plan right..I assume you will be submitting your resume to the NASCAR mets as well about your plan..:)

Note: The thunderstorm probabilities take into account both the expected areal coverage and probability for thunder to occur. Therefore, a 40% probability means that given similar environmental conditions, thunder would be observed at any one location (in either a county or city) within the 40% thunder probability area four times out of ten, or 40% of the time.
1065. Patrap


MESOSCALE DISCUSSION 0152
NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
0315 PM CST SUN FEB 23 2014

AREAS AFFECTED...E-CNTRL FL

CONCERNING...SEVERE POTENTIAL...WATCH UNLIKELY

VALID 232115Z - 232245Z

PROBABILITY OF WATCH ISSUANCE...20 PERCENT

SUMMARY...LOCALIZED SEVERE RISK SHOULD PERSIST THROUGH ABOUT 00Z AS
MERGING OF CONVECTIVE OUTFLOWS/SEA BREEZE CONTINUE TO YIELD
TRANSIENT/WEAK SUPERCELL STRUCTURES.

DISCUSSION...21Z OBSERVATIONAL ANALYSIS PLACED A COMPOSITE
FRONT/OUTFLOW BOUNDARIES ACROSS PASCO TO SRN VOLUSIA COUNTIES...WITH
A 1015 MB SURFACE CYCLONE OVER NWRN SEMINOLE COUNTY AND A CONFLUENCE
BAND SWD INTO POLK COUNTY. THE COMPOSITE FRONT/OUTFLOW HAS
ACCELERATED SWD IN THE PAST HALF HOUR AND HAS AIDED IN SEVERAL
UPDRAFTS FORMING ALONG AND N OF THE BOUNDARY...AMIDST A TEMPERATURE
GRADIENT AROUND 20-25 DEG F. LOW-LEVEL WINDS REMAIN ANEMIC WITHIN
THE WARM SECTOR /0-1 KM SHEAR AOB 10 KT IN MLB VWP DATA/...BUT LOCAL
AUGMENTATION OF SHEAR ALONG BOUNDARIES/N OF THE FRONT MAY CONTINUE
TO YIELD TRANSIENT SUPERCELL STRUCTURES AS THE REGION LIES ON THE
FRINGE OF MODERATE MID-LEVEL W/SWLYS. PRIMARY RISKS SHOULD REMAIN IN
THE FORM OF LOCALIZED SEVERE HAIL AND DAMAGING WIND. A WEAK TORNADO
IS POSSIBLE...BUT TRANSIENT/MODEST NATURE OF SUPERCELL STRUCTURES
SHOULD DETER THIS RISK.

..GRAMS/HART.. 02/23/2014


ATTN...WFO...MLB...TBW...

LAT...LON 29098155 29148102 28118052 27778066 27718128 27758165
28128174 28568202 28828183 29018158 29098155
SEVERE WEATHER STATEMENT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MELBOURNE FL
428 PM EST SUN FEB 23 2014

FLC009-117-127-232215-
/O.CON.KMLB.TO.W.0006.000000T0000Z-140223T2215Z/
SEMINOLE-BREVARD-VOLUSIA-
428 PM EST SUN FEB 23 2014

...A TORNADO WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 515 PM EST FOR
SOUTHEASTERN VOLUSIA...NORTHWESTERN BREVARD AND SEMINOLE COUNTIES...

AT 424 PM EST...NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE METEOROLOGISTS CONTINUED TO
DETECT A TORNADO. THIS TORNADO WAS LOCATED NEAR SANFORD...MOVING
EAST AT 40 MPH.

OTHER LOCATIONS IN THE WARNING INCLUDE BUT ARE NOT LIMITED TO SANFORD
AIRPORT...MIDWAY...DELTONA...LAKE JESSUP...OVIEDO...OSTEEN...MULLET
LAKE PARK...GENEVA...LAKE ASHBY...FARMTON...LAKE HARNEY...MAYTOWN...
EDGEWATER...AURANTIA...SCOTTSMOOR...BETHUNE BEACH...OAK HILL...
TURNBULL...TURTLE MOUND...MIMS...ELDORA...APOLLO BEACH...LAGRANGE...
SHILOH...PLAYALINDA BEACH...KENNEDY SPACE CENTER...MERRITT ISLAND
WILDLIFE REFUGE...HAULOVER CANAL AND KLONDIKE BEACH

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

IN ADDITION TO THE TORNADO...THIS STORM IS CAPABLE OF PRODUCING
GOLF BALL SIZE HAIL AND DESTRUCTIVE STRAIGHT LINE WINDS.


NUMEROUS REPORTS OF NICKEL TO QUARTER SIZE HAIL HAVE BEEN REPORTED
ACROSS SANFORD AND LAKE MARY.

THE SAFEST PLACE TO BE DURING A TORNADO IS IN A STRONG BUILDING ON
THE LOWEST FLOOR...IN AN INTERIOR ROOM SUCH AS A BATHROOM OR CLOSET.
KEEP AWAY FROM WINDOWS. GET UNDER A WORKBENCH OR OTHER PIECE OF
STURDY FURNITURE. USE BLANKETS OR PILLOWS TO COVER YOUR BODY.

EVACUATE MOBILE HOMES OR VEHICLES FOR MORE SUBSTANTIAL SHELTER.

&&

LAT...LON 2862 8060 2863 8079 2864 8080 2864 8081
2863 8081 2867 8146 2871 8146 2874 8142
2882 8142 2888 8136 2892 8136 2901 8087
TIME...MOT...LOC 2127Z 274DEG 33KT 2878 8126

$$


MOSES
Quoting 1055. GTstormChaserCaleb:
Since when did the news become a reliable resource? LOL, certainly wouldn't be accepted on a research paper in college or university, probably would result in an automatic "F" depending on what kind of teacher you had. Some of you all crack me up. I am actually sitting over here laughing and enjoying myself.


Well glad I could give you a laugh. Fortunately, I'm a little past writing school papers, so I won't worry about the F.
But if you want to get back to the debate -
have the temperatures leveled off over the last 10 years? Or is this just a media lie?
Has artic sea ice (surface) expanded this year?
Have the global warming models "over cooked" the outlook?
Thanks Pat your maps are great when driving as I don't have to find the radars.
Pretty good looking storm... rotation is so-so but definitely enough to prompt the tornado warning.

1070. beell
LOW-LEVEL WINDS REMAIN ANEMIC WITHIN THE WARM SECTOR /0-1 KM SHEAR AOB 10 KT IN MLB VWP DATA
The Weather Channel ‏@weatherchannel · 1 min
4:30pm: @NWSMelbourne says many reports of quarter-size (1" diameter) hail in Sanford, FL. #severe

1072. flsky
You're looking at weather maps while you're driving. Watch out folks, he may be coming straight at ya (sheesh...)
Quoting 1068. StormTrackerScott:
Thanks Pat your maps are great when driving as I don't have to find the radars.
If you've seen this image going around, don't share it, it's fake.

1074. Patrap
1075. flsky
N4 track looks like the exact same place one came thru a few yrs ago.
Quoting 1074. Patrap:
1076. DVG
Quoting 1052. Dakster:
Patrap - Ahhhhhh. A Faux News post.


So what if they aren't an approved George Soros source of information>
Quoting 1073. TropicalAnalystwx13:
If you've seen this image going around, don't share it, it's fake.

What a stupid thing to do!!!
Melbourne, FL (KMLB) - Base Reflectivity (0.5)

1079. Patrap
lots of warnings in e florida. any verified?
1082. Patrap
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The Weather Channel ‏@weatherchannel · 57 seg
.@NWSJacksonville reports 4 cows were killed by lightning and a dog kennel damaged by #severe t'storm winds at 1:35pm in Putnam County FL.

1085. Patrap
Has now been 1 hour since any warnings.




TORNADO WARNING MELBOURNE FL - KMLB 409 PM EST SUN FEB 23 2014

Quoting 1080. islander101010:
lots of warnings in e florida. any verified?

No tornado touchdowns. Only a handful of marginally severe wind/hail reports. Nothing significant.
1087. Patrap
Quoting 1077. Luisport:
What a stupid thing to do!!!

Yep, but it happens. Social media is a good way to share information quickly and effectively, but people (guilty here) also unknowingly share images that have been photoshopped.
The good news Pat, is that is part of Canaveral Seashore and uninhabited.. it looked like it formed after Scottsdale, on the west shore on upper Indian River lagoon and crossed.
1090. sar2401
Quoting yonzabam:


Well, like I said, I'm not here to fetch and carry for you, and demanding evidence for every assertion is a typical denier stonewalling tactic.

The tactics used by the oil industry to obfuscate the science are exactly the same as were used by the tobacco industry to deny the evidence that smoking causes disease, and are every bit as shameful. 'Scientists' were bribed to cast doubt on the evidence for tobacco related illness. They should have been sent to prison.

So now we had an ad hominem attack, obfuscation of what a single company did by lumping them in with tobacco companies, and a rant about what you think should have happened to certain people because you are both the judge and jury.

You were the one stating certain allegations as fact. I assume you have some sources you used to arrive at those allegations. It's on you to present your evidence. That's kind of the way the scientific method works.
1091. Patrap
How the floods have changed Britain: climate change


A train passes through the coast at Saltcoats in Scotland Photo: PA

The country has endured its wettest winter since records began in 1910. As the weather finally begins to dry out, five of our writers explore the sodden legacy that it leaves behind. Here, Tom Chivers looks at climate change
1092. sar2401
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

Yep, but it happens. Social media is a good way to share information quickly and effectively, but people (guilty here) also unknowingly share images that have been photoshopped.

Indeed. A large and growing problem and I don't have a solution. People will be taken in by good shopped images and, after even a few minutes, they become fact. Hundreds of faked images came out of the 2004/2005 hurricane season and I expect it will be thousands when we have another active season with North American landfalls. I spent an inordinate amount of time doing rumor control over these kinds of images when I was in emergency management. I wish the people who make these images could understand how much time they are taking away from our real job to refute their stuff.
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1096. sar2401
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
Fort Rucker, AL (KEOX) - Base Reflectivity (0.5)


Nothing happening here as the band has slipped south of me. No convection, no hail and a lousy .04" of rain.
Quoting 1041. SkulDouggery:

Sorry its long, but you ask for it:

Climate change skeptics are doing a bit of gloating following a series of mainstream media reports that acknowledge what those skeptics have long held -- the earth is not warming, at least not in the last 10 years.

Look at real data before you trust what media tells you to believe.


The other interesting thing to note, it used to be "no warming since 1998," implying the last 15 years or so. Now it's "no warming in 10 years?"
Quoting 1086. TropicalAnalystwx13:

No tornado touchdowns. Only a handful of marginally severe wind/hail reports. Nothing significant.


Marginal?
Quoting 1096. sar2401:

Nothing happening here as the band has slipped south of me. No convection, no hail and a lousy .04" of rain.
fla is taking it all
Quoting 1067. SkulDouggery:


Well glad I could give you a laugh. Fortunately, I'm a little past writing school papers, so I won't worry about the F.
But if you want to get back to the debate -
have the temperatures leveled off over the last 10 years? Or is this just a media lie?
Has artic sea ice (surface) expanded this year?
Have the global warming models "over cooked" the outlook?


To hear the tale spun by certain users of these blogs, the GW disaster will wipe out like half of ocean life, and kill billions of people, and do trillions and trillions in damage, etc, etc.

In all seriousness, over-fishing is a much bigger threat to fish than is CO2.
1102. barbamz
Sunday evening hello from Germany in spring mode (took this photo this evening) and looking forward to some even warmer days:



And weathery condolences to the Irish people: As the usual weather pattern of this whole "winter" still persists, British Isles esp. Ireland, will be pounded by another low with very high waves Tuesday. Institute in Berlin hasn't named it yet. Are they running out of names after "Xenia", lol?


Map for tomorrow, Monday.


WU wave hight forecast.
Evening all.

Quoting 1092. sar2401:

Indeed. A large and growing problem and I don't have a solution. People will be taken in by good shopped images and, after even a few minutes, they become fact. Hundreds of faked images came out of the 2004/2005 hurricane season and I expect it will be thousands when we have another active season with North American landfalls. I spent an inordinate amount of time doing rumor control over these kinds of images when I was in emergency management. I wish the people who make these images could understand how much time they are taking away from our real job to refute their stuff.
To be sure, I am convinced pple who do this stuff don't really care about the problems they create for others; they are much more invested in the fame or sense of power they get by putting their fake images out there and manipulating the public with themmm...
Quoting 1097. ScottLincoln:

Look at real data before you trust what media tells you to believe.


The other interesting thing to note, it used to be "no warming since 1998," implying the last 15 years or so. Now it's "no warming in 10 years?"



Try telling that to the 12 inch long, 3/4 inch thick icicles I have on video in SE Louisiana this year....twice inside a week!

And these weren't rigged with a water hose either. I've seen like 4 inch long ones before, like once every 5 or 10 years, but not this.


Okay, now let's see the typical responses:

"Look at the trend not the dog..."

"Weather =/= climate..."

"Global warming is predicted to make it colder..."

Aaaaand...
3...
2...
1...
Quoting 1100. RTSplayer:


To hear the tale spun by certain users of these blogs, the GW disaster will wipe out like half of ocean life, and kill billions of people, and do trillions and trillions in damage, etc, etc.

In all seriousness, over-fishing is a much bigger threat to fish than is CO2.
In the short term. Either way we seem well on the way to permanently losing hundreds of species.
Quoting 1102. barbamz:
Sunday evening hello from Germany in spring mode (took this photo this evening) and looking forward to some even warmer days:



And weathery condolences to the Irish people: As the usual weather pattern of this whole "winter" still persists, British Isles esp. Ireland, will be pounded by another low with very high waves Tuesday. Institute in Berlin hasn't named it yet. Are the running out of names after "Xenia", lol?


Map for tomorrow, Monday.


WU wave hight forecast.


Quoting 1104. RTSplayer:



Try telling that to the 12 inch long, 3/4 inch thick icicles I have on video in SE Louisiana this year....twice inside a week!

And these weren't rigged with a water hose either. I've seen like 4 inch long ones before, like once every 5 or 10 years, but not this.


Okay, now let's see the typical responses:

"Look at the trend not the dog..."

"Weather =/= climate..."

"Global warming is predicted to make it colder..."

Aaaaand...
3...
2...
1...
You already know all the answers. Why bother posting the question?
Guten tag, Barba. I notice in your map also that the American west coast may get another low pressure system which will hopefully bring them some rain. Right now they need it much more than Ireland does!
1109. aquak9
Quoting 1084. Luisport:
The Weather Channel ‏@weatherchannel · 57 seg
.@NWSJacksonville reports 4 cows were killed by lightning and a dog kennel damaged by #severe t'storm winds at 1:35pm in Putnam County FL.



Steak- it's what's for dinner
1110. Dakster
Quoting 1109. aquak9:


Steak- it's what's for dinner


LOL... Yep. And already cooked for you too!
Soo glad the weather was nice in State College for THON. Look how much money these people raised for kids with cancer! Amazing! I really like humanity sometimes :p And at least this year the people waiting to get in did not have to stand in freezing cold lines.

Still talking about re-starting the Daytona 500. Rain has stopped and they're trying hard to dry the track.

Rain cooled air and the sun is going down so hopefully the rain is over for today.
1113. Grothar
This is the hottest winter I can ever remember in South Florida. It was 87 today and it's still February. (I think)
1114. Dakster
Quoting 1113. Grothar:
This is the hottest winter I can ever remember in South Florida. It was 87 today and it's still February. (I think)


My electric bill agrees with that statement too.


76.7F/24.83C here at my place. Perfect.

Riverside, California (Airport)
Updated: 2:53 PM PST on February 23, 2014
Clear
78 °F/25.56 °C
Clear
Humidity: 18%
Dew Point: 31 °F/-0.56 °C
Wind: 8 mph from the West
Pressure: 29.86 in (Falling)
Visibility: 10.0 miles
UV: 3 out of 16
Pollen: 8.30 out of 12
Pollen Forecast new!
Clouds:
Clear -
(Above Ground Level)
Elevation: 817 ft
Quoting 1112. Sfloridacat5:
Still talking about re-starting the Daytona 500. Rain has stopped and they're trying hard to dry the track.

Rain cooled air and the sun is going down so hopefully the rain is over for today.


There is a MCS about to come across C FL tonight in maybe 4 hours from now.




1117. barbamz
Quoting 1108. BahaHurican:
Guten tag, Barba. I notice in your map also that the American west coast may get another low pressure system which will hopefully bring them some rain. Right now they need it much more than Ireland does!


Hallo Baha, wie geht's? Yes, accumulated precipitation forecast (GFS) for the week to come promises some rain for the US westcoast:



Where the atmospheric river will be on the 28th.
The weatherman said this will be a good storm, we will see.
1119. barbamz
Quoting 1114. Dakster:


My electric bill agrees with that statement too.


Mine for domestic gas consumption does at well. The electric bill not so much - I think my dedication to WU via computer is the culprit, lol.
Quoting 1098. StormTrackerScott:


Marginal?

Doesn't look that bad, but I guess you and I have contrasting definitions of marginal.
1121. Dakster
Quoting 1119. barbamz:


Mine for domestic gas consumption does at well. The electric bill not so much - I think my dedication to WU via computer is the culprit, lol.


Does that mean you are having a cold winter?
1122. Dakster
Hey Ped - High 80s today (88) with a heat index in the mid 90s... Nice an toasty here today.
1123. aquak9
Quoting 1113. Grothar:
This is the hottest winter I can ever remember in South Florida. It was 87 today and it's still February. (I think)


yeah it's Feb...
but what YEAR is it?

heh heh heh
1124. barbamz
Quoting 1121. Dakster:


Does that mean you are having a cold winter?


??? The opposite. Heating in the house is done by domestic gas, and I didn't need that much this year as the years before. Electric bill is higher, maybe due to more consumption for electric devices (but maybe just because the prices raised).
1126. Grothar
Quoting 1125. StormTrackerScott:


That's marginally familiar.
1127. Grothar
Quoting 1123. aquak9:


yeah it's Feb...
but what YEAR is it?

heh heh heh


AQUA!!!!
1128. Ighuc
This is the coldest winter Minneapolis has had in over 30 years, top 10 all time. Looking forward to a 7 day forecast that actually has temperatures in the 20's...

1129. Dakster
Quoting 1125. StormTrackerScott:


What's with the beach sand?
1130. barbamz
Quoting 1118. PedleyCA:


Where the atmospheric river will be on the 28th.
The weatherman said this will be a good storm, we will see.


BBC's Chris Fawkes - my favourite guy, lol - is very hopeful in this weather video from yesterday, too:

California drought set to end
23 February 2014 Last updated at 14:22
The dry spell bringing drought conditions to California is set to end this week as the Jet Stream shifts position. Meanwhile, elsewhere in the US, arctic air is expected to spread towards the east and midwest.

Good night, have a nice start into the new week, folks!
1131. Dakster
Quoting 1124. barbamz:


??? The opposite. Heating in the house is done by domestic gas, and I didn't need that much this year as the years before. Electric bill is higher, maybe due to more consumption for electric devices (but maybe just because the prices raised).


I misunderstood, I thought you had a higher heating bill... But I get it now. Sorry, I am a little off these days..

Ohh and Dakster gives Aquak9 a high five... Good one.
Quoting 1124. barbamz:


??? The opposite. Heating in the house is done by domestic gas, and I didn't need that much this year as the years before. Electric bill is higher, maybe due to more consumption for electric devices (but maybe just because the prices raised).


Where did the workers get all the electricity for the renovation?
1133. barbamz
Quoting 1132. PedleyCA:


Where did the workers get all the electricity for the renovation?


Jackhammer got it from a socket in the basement, lol. Don't know who's bill it will be. But we have to pay in advance anyway, and if we've have paid too much we'll get some money back. --- Bye, have to sleep now; it's late here, thankfully without a jackhammer waking me up early in the morning, lol.



---------------------


Clouds avoiding Germany :-)
1134. beell
Hydrometeor Classification Loop-KJAX from earlier this afternoon. Red pixels indicating some short-lived hail

Quoting 1102. barbamz:
Sunday evening hello from Germany in spring mode (took this photo this evening) and looking forward to some even warmer days:



And weathery condolences to the Irish people: As the usual weather pattern of this whole "winter" still persists, British Isles esp. Ireland, will be pounded by another low with very high waves Tuesday. Institute in Berlin hasn't named it yet. Are they running out of names after "Xenia", lol?


Map for tomorrow, Monday.


WU wave hight forecast.


Yep, here in North Wales, yesterday and today, another big wind and rain storm. Did have a few breaks this week with some nice spells though...is something!

Been so mild still though. When out and about Weds/Thurs, noticed the daffodils and flowers starting to bloom! So if we get a late freeze like last, everything will be stuck in suspended animation. So mild, I saw a few frogs on the road on my drive home from work at nearly midnight, in end of February! If get a late freeze and they've gone spawning early, could be bad for them.

Hope everyone's well!
Quoting 1115. PedleyCA:


76.7F/24.83C here at my place. Perfect.

Riverside, California (Airport)
Updated: 2:53 PM PST on February 23, 2014
Clear
78 °F/25.56 °C
Clear
Humidity: 18%
Dew Point: 31 °F/-0.56 °C
Wind: 8 mph from the West
Pressure: 29.86 in (Falling)
Visibility: 10.0 miles
UV: 3 out of 16
Pollen: 8.30 out of 12
Pollen Forecast new!
Clouds:
Clear -
(Above Ground Level)
Elevation: 817 ft


with that humidity, perfect indeed! When it's that temp here, it's awful cause of the high humidity! When humid, I can't cope with over 70' LOL
1137. Patrap
Quoting 1136. mitthbevnuruodo:


with that humidity, perfect indeed! When it's that temp here, it's awful cause of the high humidity! When humid, I can't cope with over 70' LOL


Sounds like my Sister who lives in Wis. Lived here but moved back there. Always complaining about the humidity during the summer.
1139. barbamz
Very last post: At least the electric bills in poor North Korea should be very low. They should get a climate award ;-)



...North Korea is almost completely dark compared to neighboring South Korea and China. The darkened land appears as if it were a patch of water joining the Yellow Sea to the Sea of Japan. Its capital city, Pyongyang, appears like a small island, despite a population of 3.26 million (as of 2008). The light emission from Pyongyang is equivalent to the smaller towns in South Korea....

More: The Koreas at Night
NASA Earth Observatory, February 24, 2014
1140. sar2401
Quoting BahaHurican:
Evening all.

To be sure, I am convinced pple who do this stuff don't really care about the problems they create for others; they are much more invested in the fame or sense of power they get by putting their fake images out there and manipulating the public with themmm...

Hi Baha. No, I'm sure they could give a rat's behind about all the consequences of the fake pics they create and all the fake twits they send out. There's no way to stop it so we just have assign more and more people to rumor control. We operated under the assumption that all pictures from a disaster area were fake until proven otherwise. One of our investigators was a forensic photo expert and he'd spend 10 or 12 hours a day going through everything that came in on social media and letting us know which ones were fake so we could refute them. Tremendous waste of time and energy but I'm sure this phenomena will grow since every kid in the basement wants his moment of fame.
(Checks microphone)

"Why doesn't a ghost never compete in a race?"

Their always dead tired

"Why did the football coach want a refund?"

He wanted a quarter back

"How does Thread get to school?"

A spool bus

Well, finally got back to Asheville from Kentucky. We ended up finishing 4th out of 20 teams, although we did beat #1 overall seed University of Kansas :) I am actually pretty glad Daytona 500 got delayed so I can catch it, haha. Hope y'all are having good day!
1143. sar2401
Quoting barbamz:
Very last post: At least the electric bills in poor North Korea should be very low ;-)



More: The Koreas at Night
NASA Earth Observatory, February 24, 2014

It's really amazing the difference between the two Koreas, and lights are just one part. What looks like a line drawn on the North/South Korean border are actually very powerful floodlights that illuminate the DMZ at night so South Korean troops can spot infiltrators from the north. The north has claimed these photos are fake and have produced their own faked pictures with lights added in. The North Koreans have produced hundreds of fake photos of everything from military exercises to Kim Il Jung's funeral. Even with all that practice they're still terrible at it. :-)
1144. sar2401
Quoting washingtonian115:
(Checks microphone)

"Why doesn't a ghost never compete in a race?"

Their always dead tired

"Why did the football coach want a refund?"

He wanted a quarter back

"How does Thread get to school?"

A spool bus


OK, I'll do it for the whole blog...GROAN :-)
Interesting afternoon in SW Volusia County FL today. That weather radio got a real work out! At one point we had three or four warnings/watches issued right on top of each other.

What actually happened...about 20 minutes of moderate rain with some winds I'd guesstimate at around 20-25 mph -and those were brief.
Quoting 1144. sar2401:

OK, I'll do it for the whole blog...GROAN :-)
Groan for?
1147. sar2401
Quoting beell:
Hydrometeor Classification Loop-KJAX from earlier this afternoon. Red pixels indicating some short-lived hail


I'm assuming all the red around the center of the radar beam is clutter?
Quoting 1139. barbamz:
Very last post: At least the electric bills in poor North Korea should be very low. They should get a climate award ;-)



More: The Koreas at Night
NASA Earth Observatory, February 24, 2014

North Korea looks like an excellent place for an observatory, except for the reason it's an excellent place for an observatory.

It's always something.
I wondered why the baseball was getting bigger. Then it hit me

It's not that the man did not know how to juggle, he just didn't have the balls to do it.

The other day I held the door open for a clown. I thought it was a nice jester.

I'm glad I know sign language, it's pretty handy.
Holloway

I couldn't quite remember how to throw a boomerang, but eventually it came back to me.



1150. Patrap
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Quoting 1146. washingtonian115:
Groan for?


typical reaction to bad jokes?
1152. sar2401
Quoting washingtonian115:
Groan for?

Ya know...like groan for those jokes. They're funny but I swear I heard my mom tell those when I was a kid kind of thing. Nothing bad meant, I swear.
Quoting 1118. PedleyCA:


Where the atmospheric river will be on the 28th.
The weatherman said this will be a good storm, we will see.


This result would be beyond excellent.


1154. sar2401
Quoting GeorgiaStormz:
I wondered why the baseball was getting bigger. Then it hit me

It's not that the man did not know how to juggle, he just didn't have the balls to do it.

The other day I held the door open for a clown. I thought it was a nice jester.

I'm glad I know sign language, it's pretty handy.
Holloway

I couldn't quite remember how to throw a boomerang, but eventually it came back to me.





G R O A N :-)
1155. hydrus
1156. Patrap
"What do you call a slab of wood that just sits there?..."
Board

"let's all laugh at the duck"
Link
1158. flsky
This is great, but too much all at once causes problems as well.


1159. help4u
global warming nazi's have taken over noaa.Mouth piece for obama,christie,two peas in a pod.
1160. Patrap
Today NOAA, tomorrow Disneyland

Quoting 1159. help4u:



Game over, we've hit Godwin's Law! Link
1162. sar2401
Quoting Birthmark:

North Korea looks like an excellent place for an observatory, except for the reason it's an excellent place for an observatory.

It's always something.

Believe it or not, The DPRK (don't ever call it North Korea when you're there) is promoting astronomy tours because it's "the best night sky on earth". There are no astronomical observatories open to the public in the DPRK but, for the first time, they are allowing portable telescopes to be bought in and have several sites in the mountains north of Pyongyang prepared for people to set up telescopes. I've been to North Korea twice and it's not that difficult to get in as long as you arrange your visit through an official DPRK travel agency and pay cash with US Dollars. I wouldn't recommend it for a fun vacation but it's interesting in a macabre sort of way.
Nothing too exciting for West Palm Beach...

1164. sar2401
Quoting help4u:
global warming nazi's have taken over noaa.Mouth piece for obama,christie,two peas in a pod.

OK, tell the truth, you're a little buzzed, aren't you? :-)
Quoting 1138. PedleyCA:


Sounds like my Sister who lives in Wis. Lived here but moved back there. Always complaining about the humidity during the summer.


Well, when I was a kid in Palm Springs, it was just HOT. we moved to San Diego when I was 13/14, I eventually moved back (via Colorado Springs for a year first) when I was 22. Then it was all I could do to move away again, as all the golf courses etc made it SO humid, all the moisture from them trapped there in the Coachella Valley. I just couldn't bear it and plotted my next move away from So. Calif to Seattle LOL My closest relatives lived (and some still) in Redlands, and never remember it being oppressively hot or humid. But I suppose compared to Wis it would be?! Even though it's been awful here for months, still prefer the cool weather incomparison though..and the lack of earthquakes LOL I do really miss some places though you know. Such a great variety of landscapes!
1166. flsky
I had a sudden craving for Taco Bell so drove over about an hour ago. Was talking to this young guy who works at the Best Buy across the street from the track. He said when the rain started his store was inundated with angry, disappointed, drunk race fans who were just raising all kinds of h**l.
Quoting 1112. Sfloridacat5:
Still talking about re-starting the Daytona 500. Rain has stopped and they're trying hard to dry the track.

Rain cooled air and the sun is going down so hopefully the rain is over for today.
1167. sar2401
Quoting flsky:
I had a sudden craving for Taco Bell so drove over about an hour ago. Was talking to this young guy who works at the Best Buy across the street from the track. He said when the rain started his store was inundated with angry, disappointed, drunk race fans who were just raising all kinds of h**l.

Drunk? NASCAR fans at a race? Well, I never....
Speaking of NASCAR, they are about to get underway once again. The stand look 90% full which is impressive after rain delay of 6 hours...
Quoting 1160. Patrap:
Today NOAA, tomorrow Disneyland



California Adventure is better :)
1170. sar2401
Quoting flsky:
This is great, but too much all at once causes problems as well.



Droughts in California almost always end with floods.
1171. Patrap
I had fun @ Knottsberry Farm once.

Had to sneak da rum in though.
1172. beell
Quoting 1147. sar2401:

I'm assuming all the red around the center of the radar beam is clutter?


You share the same finely tuned sense of color that I have, Sar.

Red>Reddish Brown>Brownish Red>Brown...

All pretty much the same color, yes?
Well today was the first day since December I walked outside with a short sleeve on.Of course it got colder when the sun started to go down (it was blinding as hell) and temperatures still continue to drop...Spring in winter is coming to a end shortly.
1174. Thrawst
.
Quoting 1168. Bluestorm5:
Speaking of NASCAR, they are about to get underway once again. The stand look 90% full which is impressive after rain delay of 6 hours...


I wish they would just wait until tomorrow so there can be a full race. The window for racing will be short lived.

Quoting 1170. sar2401:

Droughts in California almost always end with floods.
yes great rains come
Quoting 1174. Thrawst:


Actually, there was a report of a tornado near the Daytona 500 event. There is a picture:



Source: Link

Any here is a picture of a supercell in the eastern part of the Everglades today. Had some decent rotation for a while but died by the time I got there .. bad luck continues :(



That picture is a fake.
1178. Patrap
They never should have started as the first Cell that hit the area was well defined on Radar inbound well before the start time.

That cell would go Nado Warned too.
Quoting 1175. VAbeachhurricanes:


I wish they would just wait until tomorrow so there can be a full race. The window for racing will be short lived.

I'm glad I'm not the only one nature is messing with,when it comes to enjoying something.
Quoting 1171. Patrap:
I had fun @ Knottsberry Farm once.

Had to sneak da rum in though.


snoopy...

san Francisco, ca
Wednesday, 26
Rain
59 | 52 F
Rain Chance of Precipitation 100%

Thursday, 27
Chance of Rain
62 | 52 F
Chance of Rain 30%

Friday, 28
Rain
55 | 50 F
Rain
Chance of Precipitation 100%

Saturday, 1
Chance of Rain
58 | 49 F
Chance of Rain
Chance of Precipitation 50%

Sunday, 2
Partly Cloudy
61 | 51 F
Partly Cloudy
Chance of Precipitation 10%

Monday, 3
Chance of Rain
60 | 50 F
Chance of Rain
Chance of Precipitation 60%

pretty cool when one single event can make so many different arenas happy.
1181. Thrawst
Quoting 1177. VAbeachhurricanes:


That picture is a fake.


Oh seriously? Well ok then lol
1182. Thrawst
Here is a picture of a supercell in the eastern part of the Everglades today. Had some decent rotation for a while but died by the time I got there .. bad luck continues :(

1183. Patrap


1185. Patrap
Quoting 1180. WaterWitch11:


snoopy...





Ol Train was creaky, spookie.
Quoting 1155. hydrus:


picking up on something
what remains to be seen
Quoting 1168. Bluestorm5:
Speaking of NASCAR, they are about to get underway once again. The stand look 90% full which is impressive after rain delay of 6 hours...


The other 10% are across the street or asleep under the stands.
1188. flsky



I REALLY hate that building.
1189. flsky
Hey! I didn't even know they started again!
Quoting 1187. PedleyCA:


The other 10% are across the street or asleep under the stands.
Quoting 1184. StormTrackerScott:



Nice hail! Impressive cloud base too back there.
1191. sar2401
Quoting VAbeachhurricanes:


I wish they would just wait until tomorrow so there can be a full race. The window for racing will be short lived.


From what I hear, if they can't get underway and complete at least one lap by 9:00 pm EST (about 10 minutes from now), the network will pull the plug and the race will be run tomorrow.
Quoting 1170. sar2401:

Droughts in California almost always end with floods.

Part of that is because practically any rain in California is a lot, well at least for southern California. Northern California is a different climate, much wetter.

However, in southern Ca, the ground can't handle much rain to begin with, even more so if it hasn't rained in a long time. Ive seen a half inch to an inch of rain cause dangerous flash floods there. I actually lived there for a year. It seemed like waiting for an eternity in between rain events. When it would finally rain, it would start to quickly flood, even with a moderate steady shower.
1193. sar2401
Quoting beell:


You share the same finely tuned sense of color that I have, Sar.

Red>Reddish Brown>Brownish Red>Brown...

All pretty much the same color, yes?

LOL. Seriously. I have a hard time distinguishing those fine gradation of the radar, especially when the legend shows about 24 supposedly different colors. :-)
1194. Gearsts
1195. Thrawst
I hate sideways pictures.
Quoting 1168. Bluestorm5:
Speaking of NASCAR, they are about to get underway once again. The stand look 90% full which is impressive after rain delay of 6 hours...


NASCAR fans are die hard, my experience is that one is either obsessed with NASCAR, or one doesn't care at all. I fall into the doesn't care at all camp. However, nothing against it, I just don't want to watch cars go around an oval track several hundred times for many hours.


Although, I would imagine driving one of the cars is insanely fun, and intense.
Quoting 1139. barbamz:
Very last post: At least the electric bills in poor North Korea should be very low. They should get a climate award ;-)



...North Korea is almost completely dark compared to neighboring South Korea and China. The darkened land appears as if it were a patch of water joining the Yellow Sea to the Sea of Japan. Its capital city, Pyongyang, appears like a small island, despite a population of 3.26 million (as of 2008). The light emission from Pyongyang is equivalent to the smaller towns in South Korea....

More: The Koreas at Night
NASA Earth Observatory, February 24, 2014



Ahhh communism, its proven to be such a successful and effective form of government ;)
1198. sar2401
Quoting Jedkins01:

Part of that is because practically any rain in California is a lot, well at least for southern California. Northern California is a different climate, much wetter.

However, in southern Ca, the ground can't handle much rain to begin with, even more so if it hasn't rained in a long time. Ive seen a half inch to an inch of rain cause dangerous flash floods there. I actually lived there for a year. It seemed like waiting for an eternity in between rain events. When it would finally rain, it would start to quickly flood, even with a moderate steady shower.

Southern California is more a landslide risk area along with some relatively minor river flooding. During the 30 years I lived in Northern California we had historic floods in 1982, 1986, 1995, and 1997. Parts of my county had over 30 inches of rain in nine days from the 1982 flood and then we got it again in 1986 with record rainfall and record river levels. 1995 was almost a repeat of 1986 and 1997 wasn't quite as bad on the coast but much worse for the Sacramento Valley. Like our hurricane drought, the one in a thousand year floods that happened four times in 15 years just stopped. There has been some typical flooding since then but nothing like we had back then.
1199. sar2401
Quoting Jedkins01:



Ahhh communism, its proven to be such a successful and effective form of government ;)

When you combine communism with an insane tyrant...well, it's just hard to beat. :-)
Quoting 938. sar2401:

It's part of TWC's plan for world domination by seizing our computers. :-)


Too late, Microsoft seized them with the world's most expensive and malevolent socially engineered virus two decades ago.
1201. Patrap
..is gonna be a squeaker to get dem dere 100 lap's in Laddies,



Quoting 1199. sar2401:

When you combine communism with an insane tyrant...well, it's just hard to beat. :-)



Indeed, I like how China has gradually slipped farther and farther away from communism, kind of like one who disappears from a room without saying bye because they are embarrassed to leave :)
1203. Patrap
Quoting 1200. georgevandenberghe:


Too late, Microsoft seized them with the world's most expensive and malevolent socially engineered virus two decades ago.


..we had a malware attack here in ads back in 2011,or maybe as far back as 09 I believe.

Quoting 926. Climate175:
Is your snow cover decreasing dramatically?


No it disappeared Saturday. The biggest melt days were wednesday and Friday and it was mostly gone by Friday morning

Only a few plow piles left now

Daffodils have big buds and will bloom in a few more days of warmth. They can tolerate midwinter temperatures in that stage however.
1206. sar2401
Quoting georgevandenberghe:


Too late, Microsoft seized them with the world's most expensive and malevolent socially engineered virus two decades ago.

OK, let me guess, you use a Mac and an iPhone. :-)
1207. Patrap
BatBoy!!!!!

Nana,nana,nana,nana, nah

BatBoy!
Quoting 1206. sar2401:

OK, let me guess, you use a Mac and an iPhone. :-)


Macs, for people who don't know how to use a computer.
1209. sar2401
Quoting Jedkins01:


NASCAR fans are die hard, my experience is that one is either obsessed with NASCAR, or one doesn't care at all. I fall into the doesn't care at all camp. However, nothing against it, I just don't want to watch cars go around an oval track several hundred times for many hours.


Although, I would imagine driving one of the cars is insanely fun, and intense.

My brother is one of those obsessed NASCAR fans. He paid enough money to make my house payments for a few months to drive at the Atlanta Motor Speedway. I think he got up to 170 mph. He said it was the most fun he ever had in life when he wasn't horizontal. :-)
Snow at the leading edge of the arctic cold
Feb .23, 2014 4:15 pm ET

Northeast |
- Other than snow showers from northwest Pennsylvania to northern Maine, the region will be dry but breezy Monday.

- Heavy lake-effect snow off the southeast tip of Lake Ontario could add up to accumulations of over 1 foot Monday and Monday night from lakeshore into the Tug Hill Plateau.

- Temperatures will be on the downturn with highs from the upper teens and 20s across Upstate New York and northern New England to the low 50s across southeast Virginia.

- The region will turn even colder through midweek. Snow is still possible Wednesday (especially from eastern Virginia to Down East Maine), but the trend is to take the developing storm away from the coast and out to sea.

- Then with the cold air remaining in place, another chance for snow comes on Saturday.
Quoting 1194. Gearsts:


Nino 3.4 is also creeping upwards.

1212. Patrap
:::The Murderous Wake of Change:::

The earth shook for 2 minutes fully, some say 2:15-30 second's but it mattered not.

What the drought had begun in 2014,the Mega Quake decidedly finished on March 2nd, 2016.

Now, with the Human exodus continuing East, Northwest and South,...the Camps along the walking routes were alight with Generators and remarkably, Tiki Torches.

It all made for a surreal scene as we Helo-ed along I-10 East,toward the Desert.


Dr. Masters leaned forward adjusting His Headset,..we were all very quiet.






1213. Dakster
Quoting 1208. VAbeachhurricanes:


Macs, for people who don't know how to use a computer.


Didn't you hear? Mac's now support windows.

Quoting 1209. sar2401:

My brother is one of those obsessed NASCAR fans. He paid enough money to make my house payments for a few months to drive at the Atlanta Motor Speedway. I think he got up to 170 mph. He said it was the most fun he ever had in life when he wasn't horizontal. :-)

I did one of those at Michigan International Speedway. It was definitely one of the most invigorating, exciting moments of my life. I was in a 2-seat car as I'm not old enough to drive, but I got up to 165-170mph. I guess you could say I'm in the obsesses NASCAR fan category. :)
Quoting Dakster:


Didn't you hear? Mac's now support windows.


lol
Quoting 1206. sar2401:

OK, let me guess, you use a Mac and an iPhone. :-)


I use windows boxes. I have been assimilated.

All three kids have android phones and tablets.

My own phone is a stupidphone. It makes and receives calls and texts and that's it. It also lasts for days without charging.
Quoting 1199. sar2401:

When you combine communism with an insane tyrant...well, it's just hard to beat. :-)


Democracy is the worst form of Government. Except for
all of the other ones. Winston Churchill.

1218. Patrap
..earlier


The Weather Channel @weatherchannel · 57 seg
.@NWSJacksonville reports 4 cows were killed by lightning and a dog kennel damaged by #severe t'storm winds at 1:35pm in Putnam County FL.
1219. Dakster
Quoting 1218. Patrap:
..earlier


The Weather Channel @weatherchannel · 57 seg
.@NWSJacksonville reports 4 cows were killed by lightning and a dog kennel damaged by #severe t'storm winds at 1:35pm in Putnam County FL.


I hear they called out Outback to collect them.
Quoting 1216. georgevandenberghe:


I use windows boxes. I have been assimilated.

All three kids have android phones and tablets.

My own phone is a stupidphone. It makes and receives calls and texts and that's it. It also lasts for days without charging.


Mom and Dad won't allow me to have a phone at all...presumably because I already waste enough time here on WU. Also don't have Facebook, much to the disappointment of my similarly aged colleagues here.
here come the cold weather for the mid-west and the northeast this weekend.. its starting to look like a storm going out to sea by Wednesday


i win 400 dollars tonight!!


Quoting 1213. Dakster:


Didn't you hear? Mac's now support windows.




lol


HPX (Hopkinsville KY) radar image at 723 PM on Feb 20 showing a large downburst moving northeast across eastern Robertson County to the east of Springfield TN.
1224. Patrap
Quoting 1220. Astrometeor:


Mom and Dad won't allow me to have a phone at all...presumably because I already waste enough time here on WU. Also don't have Facebook, much to the disappointment of my similarly aged colleagues here.


Learn here, and all you can at school.

FB is a Zoo dipped in a wasteland of Selfies and food images.

1225. Patrap
Tornado Damage to the Atlanta Motor Speedway early June 2005, from Hurricane Cindy.





1228. Patrap
Tallahassee
NEXRAD Radar

Base Reflectivity 0.50° Elevation
Range 248 NMI

A lot of lightening WNW of the Tampa. I wonder if the storms will hold together or fizzle like they seem to do all the time as they close in?

Tampa shields are suppose to be for strong hurricanes only.
1230. Patrap
Tallahassee
NEXRAD Radar

Echo Tops ° Elevation
Range 124 NMI

1231. Patrap
Tops to 50K Max,..
1232. Patrap
Quoting 1212. Patrap:
:::The Murderous Wake of Change:::

The earth shook for 2 minutes fully, some say 2:15-30 second's but it mattered not.

What the drought had begun in 2014,the Mega Quake decidedly finished on March 2nd, 2016.

Now, with the Human exodus continuing East, Northwest and South,...the Camps along the walking routes were alight with Generators and remarkably, Tiki Torches.

It all made for a surreal scene as we Helo-ed along I-10 East,toward the Desert.


Dr. Masters leaned forward adjusting His Headset,..we were all very quiet.








Are u writing post apocalyptic fanfiction of Dr. Masters
From FB:
Upstate NY Weather
BREAKING! Getting sporadic reports of a meteor/fireball sighted this evening across upstate New York...also a possible explosion with sound in the sky over Montgomery county/Mohawk Valley...not sure if related or not. All unconfirmed at this point. Any reports??

Reports are flying in
1235. Patrap
Quoting 1233. nwobilderburg:


Are u writing post apocalyptic fanfiction of Dr. Masters


See post #1234

Quoting 1229. jrweatherman:
A lot of lightening WNW of the Tampa. I wonder if the storms will hold together or fizzle like they seem to do all the time as they close in?

Tampa shields are suppose to be for strong hurricanes only.


The thunderstorms will be moving into cooler more stable air hence the sea fog, and moving further from their upper support. Given this, they will probably weaken. However they might hold together, looks good at least for now:




There wasn't originally supposed to be anything moving in from the gulf, so if it makes it at all it will be interesting.
Quoting 1214. wxchaser97:

I did one of those at Michigan International Speedway. It was definitely one of the most invigorating, exciting moments of my life. I was in a 2-seat car as I'm not old enough to drive, but I got up to 165-170mph. I guess you could say I'm in the obsesses NASCAR fan category. :)

You guess?
I saw a computer model posted around 3-4 pm today depicting a strong squall line moving across the Peninsula. Was this the system moving through tonight, or for some point further in the future?
Quoting 1220. Astrometeor:


Mom and Dad won't allow me to have a phone at all...presumably because I already waste enough time here on WU. Also don't have Facebook, much to the disappointment of my similarly aged colleagues here.


I think I caved too quickly on kids phones but the disappearance of pay phones in this metro area a few years ago, followed by over 90% cellphone population penetration in their school, nudged me in. Verizon pushed me into smartphones and data plans and I was too exhausted by other parenting issues to push back. And it does make it much easier for me to contact them in many many situations.
Their (private) schools have a 1:1 laptop requirement and there my kids (respected by their schools) are pushing to demonstrate tablets have adequate functionality and get rid of their laptops except for typing papers and I'm on board with that effort.

I still don't think getting the cellphones was one of my better moments in parenting. I'm doing better with driving rules and policies.
Quoting 1239. georgevandenberghe:


I think I caved too quickly on kids phones but the disappearance of pay phones in this metro area a few years ago, followed by over 90% cellphone population penetration in their school, nudged me in. Verizon pushed me into smartphones and data plans and I was too exhausted by other parenting issues to push back. And it does make it much easier for me to contact them in many many situations.
The schools have a 1:1 laptop requirement and there my kids (respected by their schools) are pushing to demonstrate tablets have adequate functionality and get rid of their laptops except for typing papers and I'm on board with that effort.


If I need to contact my parents, all I do is say "hey, can I use your phone for a sec?" to some person. Cheaper than if pay phones were still around.

We're just now getting laptops in the schools...then again, we operate on a really tight budget for whatever reason. District is going to ask the city for $250 million for capital improvements. We haven't gotten any fresh infusion in years, so hopefully the council will approve. I think it's better than wasting money on relocating a minor league baseball stadium to a smaller location (current project that just broke ground).

Of course, I'm a senior, so none of this will affect me. *shrugs*
1241. sar2401
Quoting HurrMichaelOrl:
I saw a computer model posted around 3-4 pm today depicting a strong squall line moving across the Peninsula. Was this the system moving through tonight, or for some point further in the future?

I don't know if I'd call it a squall line but there's an area of rain with embedded thunderstorms moving onshore near Tampa/St. Pete.
Quoting 1237. TropicalAnalystwx13:

You guess?
Okay, you got me, I 110% know I'm in the obsessed NASCAR fan category!
1243. sar2401
Quoting Astrometeor:


If I need to contact my parents, all I do is say "hey, can I use your phone for a sec?" to some person. Cheaper than if pay phones were still around.

We're just now getting laptops in the schools...then again, we operate on a really tight budget for whatever reason. District is going to ask the city for $250 million for capital improvements. We haven't gotten any fresh infusion in years, so hopefully the council will approve. I think it's better than wasting money on relocating a minor league baseball stadium to a smaller location (current project that just broke ground).

Of course, I'm a senior, so none of this will affect me. *shrugs*

Astro, you will end up wealthy with that kind of thinking. :-) I think the value of laptops in schools is highly overrated. The schools have to maintain expensive network infrastructure and the students spend most of their time on FB and Twitter instead of doing anything useful. It also allows lazy teachers to teach from Wikipedia instead of developing their own lesson plans. Same thing with smartphones. If I had one when I was in school I'd spend most of my time looking at radar and posting on weather forums. Both you and your parents sound exceptionally wise.
1244. sar2401
Quoting CybrTeddy:
From FB:
Upstate NY Weather
BREAKING! Getting sporadic reports of a meteor/fireball sighted this evening across upstate New York...also a possible explosion with sound in the sky over Montgomery county/Mohawk Valley...not sure if related or not. All unconfirmed at this point. Any reports??

Reports are flying in

Every place from Utah to Quebec. Must have been quite a few meteoroids flying around tonight.
Quoting 1243. sar2401:

Astro, you will end up wealthy with that kind of thinking. :-) I think the value of laptops in schools is highly overrated. The schools have to maintain expensive network infrastructure and the students spend most of their time on FB and Twitter instead of doing anything useful. It also allows lazy teachers to teach from Wikipedia instead of developing their own lesson plans. Same thing with smartphones. If I had one when I was in school I'd spend most of my time looking at radar and posting on weather forums. Both you and your parents sound exceptionally wise.

Guilty!
1246. Patrap
Mayhem'



Jr..................

Race over, Jr. won it (88)...

Quoting 1242. wxchaser97:
Okay, you got me, I 110% know I'm in the obsessed NASCAR fan category!
'Sokay, Isaac; I'm 110% in the obsessed anime fan category (even if you're not). :)
1249. Patrap
It was one Bolide meteor, large.

Some describe 3 pieces coming off the main object as that's not unusual for a Big Bolide.

Not a "bunch of meteoroids".



Quoting 1248. KoritheMan:

'Sokay, Isaac; I'm 110% in the obsessed anime fan category (even if you're not). :)
Kori in art school:




Quoting 1250. BaltimoreBrian:
Kori in art school:



I wish I was good enough to draw manga.

I'd actually probably do rule 34 as well. Hint: not blog friendly. Go look for yourself. ;)
1252. Patrap

The meteor as captured by Ethan Rogati in Milton, Vermont. (Courtesy: Ethan Rogati)


Object Streaks Through Night Sky

Michael Paige

02/23/2014 08:25 PM

COLCHESTER, Vt. - A bright object streaking through the sky caught the attention of many Sunday night.

The object was spotted just before 9 P.M., and appeared to be moving west. Most reported it to be blue or green in color.

Our own Meteorologist Michael Page reported seeing a similar object from our Colchester, Vt. studio.

Page says the object may have been a meteoroid. He described that as an object falling to earth from space.

The American Meteor Society tracks sightings like this. According to its website, the object was seen as far south as Albany, N.Y., and as far north as Montreal. In Vermont sightings were reported in Tunbridge, Dorset, St. Johnsbury, Pittsford, Manchester, and Montgomery. A report was also made from Sugar Hill, N.H.

Experts will review each report to determine exactly what the object was.

Copyright 2014 Nexstar Broadcasting, Inc. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
Quoting 1248. KoritheMan:

'Sokay, Isaac; I'm 110% in the obsessed anime fan category (even if you're not). :)

Even though I'm not, we still relate with the obsessed part.

And, JR!!!
I believe I am addicted to weather 110% or more of the time. The other -10%+ I give away to what normal folks do.

:-)
Quoting 1249. Patrap:
It was one Bolide meteor, large.

Some describe 3 pieces coming off the main object as that's not unusual for a Big Bolide.

Not a "bunch of meteoroids".



Guess what? This occurred this morning where I live. Like, the fire department is literally across the street.

1137 125 PRAIRIEVILLE ASCENSION LA 3030 9097 HAIL UP TO HALF DOLLAR COIN REPORTED BY PRAIRIEVILLE FIRE DEPARTMENT. (LIX)

And I got to witness it. Consider my inflated desire for chaos unfolding to be satiated until the hurricane season. ;)
My Twitter timeline BLEW up when Dale Earnhardt Jr won it. I bet Kannapolis, North Carolina is going to have a riot tonight :)
Quoting 1256. KoritheMan:
Guess what? This occurred this morning where I live. Like, the fire department is literally across the street.

1137 125 PRAIRIEVILLE ASCENSION LA 3030 9097 HAIL UP TO HALF DOLLAR COIN REPORTED BY PRAIRIEVILLE FIRE DEPARTMENT. (LIX)

And I got to witness it. Consider my inflated desire for chaos unfolding to be satiated until the hurricane season. ;)

OMG KORI WHY ARE YOU WISHING FOR DEATH AND DESTRUCTION

/sarcasm
Quoting 1258. TropicalAnalystwx13:

OMG KORI WHY ARE YOU WISHING FOR DEATH AND DESTRUCTION

/sarcasm


Quoting 1251. KoritheMan:

I wish I was good enough to draw manga.

I'd actually probably do rule 34 as well. Hint: not blog friendly. Go look for yourself. ;)


What is manga and rule 34 and why is it so bad for the blog?
Quoting 1260. Jedkins01:


What is manga and rule 34 and why is it so bad for the blog?


Manga is a Japanese comic book, more or less.

Rule 34... I'll WU mail you the definition.
Quoting 1251. KoritheMan:

I wish I was good enough to draw manga.

I'd actually probably do rule 34 as well. Hint: not blog friendly. Go look for yourself. ;)


why mention R 34 here dude.... i guess i cant escape it
1263. sar2401
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

Guilty!

How would I guess? :-)
1264. sar2401
Quoting Astrometeor:
I believe I am addicted to weather 110% or more of the time. The other -10%+ I give away to what normal folks do.

:-)

What exactly do "normal" people do? You know, just in case I meet one. :-)
1265. sar2401
Quoting KoritheMan:
Guess what? This occurred this morning where I live. Like, the fire department is literally across the street.

1137 125 PRAIRIEVILLE ASCENSION LA 3030 9097 HAIL UP TO HALF DOLLAR COIN REPORTED BY PRAIRIEVILLE FIRE DEPARTMENT. (LIX)

And I got to witness it. Consider my inflated desire for chaos unfolding to be satiated until the hurricane season. ;)

I see you've lowered your chaos satisfaction level since last hurricane season. :-)
Quoting 1262. nwobilderburg:


why mention R 34 here dude.... i guess i cant escape it


Oh I'm shameless, shameless as a man can be
Quoting 1265. sar2401:

I see you've lowered your chaos satisfaction level since last hurricane season. :-)


It changed me. :)
Quoting 1260. Jedkins01:


What is manga and rule 34 and why is it so bad for the blog?


Look up Rule 34 on urbandictionary.com
Quoting 1261. KoritheMan:


Manga is a Japanese comic book, more or less.

Rule 34... I'll WU mail you the definition.

Blah anime.

I had little problem with it (I will forever be a DBZ fan) until it made kids at my school start dressing up in costumes at school...

There are some weird people at my school...
Quoting 1269. TropicalAnalystwx13:

Blah anime.

I had little problem with it (I will forever be a DBZ fan) until it made kids at my school start dressing up in costumes at school...

There are some weird people at my school...


Cody literally just said cosplay is weird.

*hunts Cody down and guts him*
Click to expand:

Quoting 1269. TropicalAnalystwx13:

Blah anime.

I had little problem with it (I will forever be a DBZ fan) until it made kids at my school start dressing up in costumes at school...

There are some weird people at my school...


Oh my God. The other day my friend and I made a DBZ reference to some freshman and he didn't get it. He just stared blankly at us.

THE HORROR
wxgeek723, surely you don't everyone to get references to radar attenuation (DBZ) ;)

I liked Naoki Urasawa's Monster a lot but haven't gotten into any other anime.
Quoting 1257. Bluestorm5:
My Twitter timeline BLEW up when Dale Earnhardt Jr won it. I bet Kannapolis, North Carolina is going to have a riot tonight :)
Bout time... I remember when Jr. was really junior.... lol...
But how many know where "The horror! the horror!" comes from?
Quoting 1271. BaltimoreBrian:
Click to expand:

I'm a Google girl, in a Google world...
Quoting 1275. BaltimoreBrian:
But how many know where "The horror! the horror!" comes from?
Or "oh the humanity!"

Quoting 1276. BahaHurican:
I'm a Google girl, in a Google world...
Life in bandwidth, it's so forthwith.
@ Brian... reading the vulcanism story now...

What they are saying seems to fit, especially if one takes into account impacts from volcanic eruptions on world climate during the 1800s... the effect of several smaller eruptions wouldn't lead to a net cooling, but might reduce the short-term impacts of warming.
Quoting 1277. BahaHurican:
Or "oh the humanity!"



Damage a little south of me. Winds ~40- 50mph were recorded around Haulover canal & PAFB.

0500 PM TSTM WND DMG 3 N MALABAR 28.03N 80.58W
02/21/2014 BREVARD FL PUBLIC

ALUMINUM PORCH ROOF OF MOBILE HOME ON TANGELO DRIVE NE
PEELED BACK WITH ADDITIONAL ROOF DAMAGE TO DINING ROOM
ADDITION.
There was hail in Seminole County..

Damage reports out of JAX are worse.. RIP cows..

0135 PM TSTM WND DMG 5 E INTERLACHEN 29.62N 81.81W
02/23/2014 PUTNAM FL EMERGENCY MNGR

EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT REPORTED A SHED DESTROYED WITH
DAMAGE TO A DOG KENNEL AND TRAMPOLINE ON RED OAK LANE IN
HOLLISTER. FOUR COWS UNDER A TREE WERE KILLED APPARENTLY
BY LIGHTNING. NICKEL SIZE HAIL WAS ALSO REPORTED WITH
THIS STORM.
93W

Environment Pollution in The Mississippi River, USA on Monday, 24 February, 2014 at 06:27 (06:27 AM) UTC.
Description
The Coast Guard says a 105-km stretch of the Mississippi River is closed until further notice while crews clean up oil from a barge that hit a towboat between Baton Rouge and New Orleans. The collision happened Saturday afternoon near Vacherie, 76 kilometers west of New Orleans. In nearby St. Charles Parish, officials say public drinking water intakes on the river are closed as a precaution. Coast Guard Petty Officer Bill Colclough says the barge was one of two loaded with light crude being pushed by the Hannah C. Settoon. He says it hit the Lindsay Ann Erickson, which was pushing grain barges. Mr Colclough says nobody was hurt and all barges remained secured. Officials don't know how much oil spilled, but only a sheen of oil is reported on the river.
Hey, Skye... glad to see the damage in your area wasn't worse....
1287. sar2401
So was there ever a tornado seen on the ground in Florida versus the ones observed on radar? There are people all over the country who are asking why there were tornado warnings if there was no tornado.
Another one of those teasers here in tampabay tonight. I saw this huge mass of rain coming towards me on radar earlier, and then it just dissolved completely before it got here.
Quoting 1287. sar2401:
So was there ever a tornado seen on the ground in Florida versus the ones observed on radar? There are people all over the country who are asking why there were tornado warnings if there was no tornado.
All those wondering that should spend a few seconds reading NOAA's widely disseminated warning criteria. The organization clearly states that warnings are issued when either a tornado or funnel is spotted, or when radar indicates the presence of one.
1290. LargoFl
Quoting 1288. Forsaken:
Another one of those teasers here in tampabay tonight. I saw this huge mass of rain coming towards me on radar earlier, and then it just dissolved completely before it got here.
yes happens quite alot huh..some say its the tampa shield and its working..
1291. LargoFl
Good Morning!......................
1292. LargoFl
1293. LargoFl
1294. barbamz

Live webcam Mainz.

Good morning hello! Bright spring day in Mainz / Rhine River while beautiful "Yvonne" (system recently has been named) is approaching the western Atlantic coasts of Europe:




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1295. LargoFl
THIS HAZARDOUS WEATHER OUTLOOK IS FOR WEST CENTRAL AND SOUTHWEST
FLORIDA.

.DAY ONE...TODAY AND TONIGHT.

A DENSE FOG ADVISORY IS IN EFFECT FOR ALL GULF WATERS FROM TAMPA
BAY SOUTH TO BONITA BEACH UNTIL 10 AM TODAY.
1296. Gearsts
0.0" of rain over the weekend. Just lots of sun.
7 Day for Fort Myers Fl. (50% chance of rain Wednesday night) - we need it.
Good morning, afternoon and evening, everyone. It's 56 degrees with a cooler 66 as a high later. We're also under a dense fog advisory. It's a bit pea soupy out there.

Breakfast's on the sideboard: Berry Stuffed French Toast with Vanilla Yogurt Sauce, Ricotta Stuffed French Toast with Caramelized Bananas, Boston Cream Pie Pancakes, bacon, egg and cheese Breakfast Cupcakes, Cinnamon Breakfast Bites, bagels with cream cheese and jelly or lox, scrambled eggs with crawfish Étouffée to pour over it, cheese Danishes, yogurt, fresh fruit and orange, apple or pineapple juice. Creole coffee. Enjoy!
Quoting 1295. LargoFl:
THIS HAZARDOUS WEATHER OUTLOOK IS FOR WEST CENTRAL AND SOUTHWEST
FLORIDA.

.DAY ONE...TODAY AND TONIGHT.

A DENSE FOG ADVISORY IS IN EFFECT FOR ALL GULF WATERS FROM TAMPA
BAY SOUTH TO BONITA BEACH UNTIL 10 AM TODAY.


Saw the lightening, heard the thunder then the storms went poof just offshore Clearwater - again. So frustrating.
Quoting 1212. Patrap:
:::The Murderous Wake of Change:::

The earth shook for 2 minutes fully, some say 2:15-30 second's but it mattered not.

What the drought had begun in 2014,the Mega Quake decidedly finished on March 2nd, 2016.

Now, with the Human exodus continuing East, Northwest and South,...the Camps along the walking routes were alight with Generators and remarkably, Tiki Torches.

It all made for a surreal scene as we Helo-ed along I-10 East,toward the Desert.


Dr. Masters leaned forward adjusting His Headset,..we were all very quiet.








sweet!
1301. LargoFl
Quoting 1299. jrweatherman:


Saw the lightening, heard the thunder then the storms went poof just offshore Clearwater - again. So frustrating.
yeah maybe wens when that cool front makes it to central florida we'll get some more rain..
1302. LargoFl
wont be any water shortage in the panhandle this year huh......
lots of warning right in the middle of the daytona 500 and not one tornado. heads should fly.
1304. LargoFl
Quoting 1303. islander101010:
lots of warning right in the middle of the daytona 500 and not one tornado. heads should fly.
no when the radar indicates a possibility of a tornado a warning IS issued..erring on the side of caution,thats their rule and its a good one.....suppose they did NOT issue a warning and those people got HIT with a tornado?..THEN heads WOULD roll huh...they did the right thing
1305. LargoFl
wenesday we get a good chance of rain..........
dont know how to use their new toys just afternoon thunderstorms
1307. LargoFl
7-day Tampa Bay area.......
Quoting 1303. islander101010:
lots of warning right in the middle of the daytona 500 and not one tornado. heads should fly.
Whose heads? And why? There were close to a quarter-million people sitting there pretty much exposed to the elements. Should the NWS have waited to hand out warnings until a tornado was actually on the ground and headed for the track? I understand the frustration that must have been felt by those temporarily delayed from watching a bunch of cars go around in a circle really fast, but to me such delays are better than risking the lives of hundreds or thousands...
Quoting 1303. islander101010:
lots of warning right in the middle of the daytona 500 and not one tornado. heads should fly.

No. Just no.
oh your right heads should not fly they just need to go back to school to study their new toys neos on edge its this extended cold spell.
Quoting 1310. islander101010:
oh your right heads should not fly they just need to go back to school to study their new toys govt people dont lose their jobs when they blow it they just get transferred


Are you serious? Doppler indicated a rotating thunderstorm capable of producing a tornado heading towards an outdoor event. Of course a warning was issued.

When did erring on the side of caution become an offense worthy of being fired? This anti-government attitude is getting out of control.
1312. beell
Quoting 1287. sar2401:
So was there ever a tornado seen on the ground in Florida versus the ones observed on radar? There are people all over the country who are asking why there were tornado warnings if there was no tornado.


The national false alarm ratio for tornadoes has remained somewhat static at around 75%. This is certainly a problem that existed before Sunday's race. Why would you or anyone expect anything different?
Quoting 1310. islander101010:
oh your right heads should not fly they just need to go back to school to study their new toys neos on edge its this extended cold spell.


Is better be safe than sorry. Same happens with the Hurricane Warnings. They issue them for an area but then the hurricane deviates without affecting the warned area.
If you wait to issue a tornado warning until the tornado is confirmed on the ground it is too late for the warning.
Imagine if there were a tornado in Daytona yesterday WITHOUT a warning...

A mob would be chasing down NWS employees and Congressional investigations would ensue...

Isn't it better to be cautious instead?
1317. beell
Yesterday, sitting in the safety and comfort of my armchair a thousand miles away I thought...no way these cells drop a tornado. Been surprised enough over the years to keep those thoughts to myself.
1318. beell
The greatest factor in mid-level rotation being unable to translate to the surface (bold text).

And then there is the text that follows the "BUT".

LOW-LEVEL WINDS REMAIN ANEMIC WITHIN THE WARM SECTOR /0-1 KM SHEAR AOB 10 KT IN MLB VWP DATA/...BUT LOCAL AUGMENTATION OF SHEAR ALONG BOUNDARIES/N OF THE FRONT MAY CONTINUE TO YIELD TRANSIENT SUPERCELL STRUCTURES AS THE REGION LIES ON THE FRINGE OF MODERATE MID-LEVEL W/SWLYS.

SPC Mesoscale Discussion #152
Quoting 1303. islander101010:
lots of warning right in the middle of the daytona 500 and not one tornado. heads should fly.


You need to get your priorities straight. The forecasters did the right thing.
Quoting 1315. Naga5000:
If you wait to issue a tornado warning until the tornado is confirmed on the ground it is too late for the warning.


I agree the cell I was following in Sanford at the corner of Markham Woods Rd and SR 46 there was a rotating wall cloud but nothing could manage to get to the surface. There was lots of Golf Ball size hail though that covered the ground.
1321. ricderr
from NOAA


2130 100 SANFORD SEMINOLE FL 2879 8128 SPOTTER REPORT AND MANY SOCIAL MEDIA REPORTS OF QUARTER-SIZED HAIL THROUGHOUT SANFORD. (MLB)
1322. StormWx
First week of March will be cooler than average once again.

1323. LargoFl
Quoting 1316. Thunderfan:
Imagine if there were a tornado in Daytona yesterday WITHOUT a warning...

A mob would be chasing down NWS employees and Congressional investigations would ensue...

Isn't it better to be cautious instead?
yes your 100% right
1324. LargoFl
well lets see if this verifies wenesday.......
1325. LargoFl
well for tampa bay gfs says thursday is our heavy rain day..we sure can use all we can get...
1326. LargoFl
Nam also has thursday tampa's heavy rain day......
Here's a video of some of the hail. Some of it was Golf Ball size. Video not mine one of my friends took this video.

Link

Scratch that video wouldn't load but here's this one from news13
Rain all week!! No dry season this year for me!
1329. ricderr
sorry scott...there's no golf ball sized hail...

here...yo help you...this is what it looks like


Quoting 1328. SFLWeatherman:
Rain all week!! No dry season this year for me!


It's been very summer-ish lately with temps in the mid 80's with upper 60 dewpoints then hefty thunderstorms in the afternoon.

Quoting 1329. ricderr:
sorry scott...there's no golf ball sized hail...

here...yo help you...this is what it looks like




You may want check again as I was in it as were many around here.
Quoting 1303. islander101010:
lots of warning right in the middle of the daytona 500 and not one tornado. heads should fly.
maybe they should be dragged into the street tied to a post doused with gas and burned for practicing witchcraft

forget that its 2014 not 1714

so that's out

we will have to figure out something else

Quoting 1333. StormTrackerScott:
looks like about the size of a ping bong ball
1335. ricderr

You may want check again as I was in it as were many around here.




scott...if you drove through golf ball sized hail...you would be taking your car to have your windshield replaced and then to the body shop
This is what the storm looked like when quarter to golf ball size hail was raining down.

Looks like the storm wens will be a non-factor so that I can go about my business.Let's hope the storm for Saturday will be a non factor as well.
JeffMasters has created a new entry.
1339. LargoFl
Quoting 1333. StormTrackerScott:
wow bet that would really dent cars and if you got hit with that ouch....