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After Warmest Autumn on Record, December Mildness Sweeps Across U.S.

By: Bob Henson 7:36 PM GMT on December 09, 2015

Meteorological autumn (September – November) was the warmest in 121 years of recordkeeping for the 48 contiguous U.S. states, according to NOAA’s national wrapup of November and fall conditions released Wednesday morning. The national average of 56.8°F was a full 3.3°F above the 20th-century average and 0.2°F above the previous record of 56.6°F (Sep-Nov 1963). Only one state (Florida) had its warmest autumn on record, but the nation as a whole still came out on top because of the rare coast-to-coast nature of the warmth. Often, one part of the country will have a mild three-month period while another part is colder than average, as we saw dramatically this past winter with record warmth in the West and unusual chill in the East.

This past autumn was also fairly damp on a national scale, with the 48 states recording their 15th wettest autumn. November came in on the mild and wet side for the contiguous U.S., ranking as the 13th warmest and 15th wettest November since records began in 1895.


Figure 1. Temperature ranks for each of the 48 contiguous U.S. states during autumn 2015 (September through November). Higher numbers indicate warmer readings. Florida had its warmest autumn on record (#121 out of 121 years). Image credit: NOAA National Centers for Environmental Information

The large-scale mildness hasn’t abated, as temperatures were well above freezing Wednesday morning over nearly all of the United States east of the Rockies. None of the nation's regular reporting stations in the contiguous 48 states--including mountain locations--managed to get below 10°F on Tuesday, according to Nick Wiltgen at weather.com. (By comparison, each day in December 2013 saw at least one sub-0°F reading in the Lower 48.) All this is leading into what looks like a unusually long stretch of very mild weather for mid-December. Even Canada’s largest city, Toronto, might avoid any temperatures below freezing for at least the next week, based on the Weather Underground city forecast issued at midday Wednesday. The imminent, widespread “warm wave” over eastern North America was anticipated a month ago by long-range forecast models and is consistent with the typical December effects of a strong El Niño.


Figure 2. Snow depth analyzed on December 9, 2015. Image credit: NOAA/NWS National Operational Hydrologic Remote Sensing Center.


Northeast: Where’s the snow?
Large parts of New York and New England, including most major cities, have yet to receive any measurable snow this autumn, and some areas could easily make it to the winter solstice snow-free. Measurable snow is defined as an accumulation of at least 0.1”, as measured on a snowboard; any lesser amount is classified as a “trace” of snow. Buffalo, New York, is racing past its previous lateness record for the first measurable snow of the season (Dec. 3, 1899). Albany, NY, is also waiting for its first measurable snow, but the city has gone as late as Christmas Eve before getting its first snow (Dec. 24, 1912). Even snow-loving Burlington, VT, which averaged 81” per winter between 1981 and 2010, has only received 0.2” thus far, with nothing more in the current forecast. Burlington has gone as late as Dec. 21, 1948, before seeing its first inch of snow on the ground. This autumn’s delay is especially remarkable given that the first three months of 2015 were the coldest Jan-Mar period on record for both New York and Vermont!

The dynamics associated with El Niño are likely to keep unusually mild weather predominating over the northern U.S. for most of the winter, according to seasonal outlooks from the National Weather Service. Some forecasters are pointing to signals that appear to favor development of a negative North Atlantic Oscillation by January. Negative NAO conditions during El Niño can enhance the odds of one or more snowy nor’easters over the mid-Atlantic and New England. Among those calling out the negative NAO risk is the team at Atmospheric Environment Research led by Judah Cohen. This group has related the advance of October snow cover in Siberia to the likelihood of atmospheric energy propagating upward the stratosphere and fostering a disruption of the polar vortex months later. However, in its latest outlook, issued on Monday, AER included a strong caveat: “The key will be how strong the energy transfer from the troposphere to the stratosphere is in late December and how much the polar vortex is perturbed. If the energy transfer does not significantly weaken the polar vortex, the AO will likely remain mostly positive and mild temperatures will dominate the mid-latitudes.”


Figure 3. A compromised U.S. Highway 12 west of White Pass, Washington, on Wednesday morning, December 9, 2015. White Pass is located in the Cascades just south of Mount Rainier. A 58-mile stretch of U.S. Highway 12 is now closed between Packwood and Naches. Image credit: Washington State Department of Transportation.

Pacific Northwest: pummeled by wet, wild storms
A freight train of high-energy, moisture-laden Pacific storms has crashed into Washington and Oregon over the last week, causing widespread flood and wind damage and putting many roads (and weather records) under water. In Washington, three-day rainfall totals have topped 10” at some sites, and wind gusts of 40-60 mph or more have been common, with a mesonet station at White Pass reporting a gust to 99 mph on Tuesday. Both Seattle and Portland pulled off impressive hat tricks on Tuesday, setting daily records for both warmest low and warmest high temperature as well as rainfall:

Seattle: low 50°F, high 60°F, rainfall 2.13”
Portland: low 56°F, high 62°F, rainfall 1.67”

It’s not only been warm, wet, and windy, but also very dark. On Monday, the amount of solar energy penetrating through the clouds over Seattle was the least for any date in almost nine years, according to Mark Albright and Cliff Mass (University of Washington).


Figure 4. A channel of high precipitable water (blue ribbon) extended from the tropics into the Pacific Northwest on Wednesday morning, December 9, 2015. Precipitable water is the amount of rain that would fall if all of the water vapor in the atmosphere above a given point were suddenly squeezed out. Image credit: ClimateReanalyzer.org/University of Maine.


The extreme rainfall in the Pacific Northwest, together with record warmth in spite of thick clouds, points to the tropical origins of the air streaming that way. The upper-level energy behind these storms has been rolling in mainly from the west, carried by an extremely strong Pacific jet stream, but the storms themselves have tapped into deep tropical moisture south of Hawaii--a classic source region for “Pineapple Express” storms. The Pineapple Express is one type of atmospheric river, a channel of moisture typically 300-400 miles wide that flows from the tropics into midlatitude storm systems. As much as half of all precipitation on the U.S. West Coast each year comes from just a few atmospheric rivers. Typically during a strong El Niño, atmospheric river events shift southward into California during January and February.

The big storms in the Pacific Northwest are serving as perfect research material for OLYMPEX. This NASA-supported field experiment designed to verify and validate the satellite-based rainfall and snowfall measurements produced by the international Global Precipitation Measurement (GPM) program, including the core GPM satellite launched in 2014. OLYMPEX will continue through February.


Figure 5. Residents make their way through flood waters on December 7, 2015 in Carlisle, England. Image credit: Jeff J Mitchell/Getty Images

Huge storms slam into Iceland, United Kingdom
Another well-defined channel of moisture, extending all the way from the Caribbean into the far northeast Atlantic (see Figure 6 below), has fueled a series of intense storms across Iceland and the British Isles over the last several days. The heaviest 24-hour rainfall in U.K. weather history occurred over the weekend, with an amazing 341.4mm (13.44”) reported at Honister Pass in northwest England. Devastating flooding occurred across England’s Lake District, with damages from the storm estimated to be at least £500 million (about $750 million U.S.). The focus shifted westward early this week with another upper-level storm and intense surface low, this time centered near Iceland. It was reportedly the nation’s worst storm in more than 20 years, with extensive property damage. Wind gusts of 125 mph were reported in hourly data from Hallormsstaðaháls, and news reports indicate that gusts may have reached 162 mph on Monday night (thanks to Stu Ostro and Jon Erdman for these reports).

We’ll be back with a new post on Thursday. Steve Gregory has more on the eastern warmth and western storminess in his latest WU post.

Bob Henson


Figure 6. Water vapor streams from the Caribbean northeastward to the British Isles in this satellite image from 20Z (4:00 pm EST) Friday, December 4, 2015. Image credit: UW-Madison SSEC RealEarth, courtesy Stu Ostro, The Weather Channel.


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Reader Comments

Thanks Mr. Henson!
As to the Winter cold for N America...

Thanks Bob. Very impressive moisture plume...
Puget Sound Energy are reporting 40K outages.
Thanks for the update Mr Henson!
Quoting 2. Patrap:

As to the Winter cold for N America...


Love the mild temps here in NW FL.. January is just around the corner though...
Quoting 2. Patrap:

As to the Winter cold for N America...


Ened of december..The people at AER say tropospheric/stratospheric energy transfer will be gaining strength, " Perturbing " the Polar Vort, sending that the vast amounts of cold wet air down here. They did mention if there was not enough to squash it, we will be in for a mild winter...excluding the extreme N.E...Old man winter seldom gives them a break.
Excellent summary of the current issues and the El Nino relation: this is one great example of the research out there related to possible correlations:

Among those calling out the negative NAO risk is the team at Atmospheric Environment Research led by Judah Cohen. This group has related the advance of October snow cover in Siberia to the likelihood of atmospheric energy propagating upward the stratosphere and fostering a disruption of the polar vortex months later.

Here are current posted charts from CPC for the next three months:

Dec 2015



Dec-Jan-Feb 2015/16
Thanks Mr. Henson

I had a question. Last year Alaska had a very mild Winter that caused a lot of issues for them. With this current pattern (warm over the U.S./El-Nino), how will this affect Alaska?
Currently a lot of cold air is bottled up over Alaska. I was wondering if this pattern will continue and give them a cold Winter.
And here is a portion of CPC discussion: http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/predictions /long_range/fxus05.html


PROGNOSTIC DISCUSSION FOR LONG-LEAD SEASONAL OUTLOOKS
NWS CLIMATE PREDICTION CENTER COLLEGE PARK MD
830 AM EST THU NOV 19 2015

SUMMARY OF THE OUTLOOK FOR NON-TECHNICAL USERS

STRONG EL NINO CONDITIONS PERSIST ACROSS THE EQUATORIAL PACIFIC OCEAN WHICH IS
REPRESENTED BY OCEAN AND ATMOSPHERIC DATA. THE ONGOING EL NINO EVENT IS LIKELY
TO PEAK IN STRENGTH DURING THE NORTHERN HEMISPHERE WINTER 2015-16, WITH A
TRANSITION TO ENSO-NEUTRAL EXPECTED DURING THE LATE SPRING OR EARLY SUMMER
2016.

THE DECEMBER-JANUARY-FEBRUARY (DJF) 2015-16 TEMPERATURE OUTLOOK FAVORS
ABOVE-NORMAL TEMPERATURES ACROSS THE CONTINENTAL U.S., NORTH OF THE 40TH
PARALLEL, ALONG WITH THE WESTERN U.S.  ABOVE-NORMAL TEMPERATURES ARE ALSO
FAVORED FOR MOST OF ALASKA EXCEPT FOR THE ALEUTIANS. THE ODDS OF ABOVE-NORMAL
TEMPERATURES ARE HIGHEST ACROSS THE PACIFIC NORTHWEST AND UPPER GREAT LAKES
WHERE PROBABILITIES OF ABOVE-NORMAL TEMPERATURES EXCEED 60 PERCENT. INCREASED
CHANCES FOR BELOW-NORMAL TEMPERATURES DURING DJF ARE FORECAST ACROSS MUCH OF
LOUISIANA, TEXAS, AND NEW MEXICO.

Woo! Atmospheric River! Pineapple Express! Thank you gentlemen!

This helps my previous blog entry comments:

Now in the weather world - I'm trying to figure out what the storm has for us, precip-wise, here in ol' 89406. Forecasts are from .10" over the next two days to 3/4" OMG RAIN SNOW AIEEEE. We get dry-slotted a lot, and the models are not something I can make a solid guesstimate on. I need to get stuff moved around, and I have no idea what's in store. This frustrates me no end. Stupid weather.

Doesn't clarify things much, but I'll just assume stuff's gonna get cold and wet.

395. nonblanche
11:34 AM PST on December 09, 2015
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Quoting 387. MahFL:

Hold onto your hats !

Lake Tahoe area.

"Ridge gusts up to 125 mph."



That's pretty typical for this kind of storm, the geology does funnel a lot of the wind. Our high gusts are usually higher than Fallon NAS, a couple miles away. Means some of the perishables at our WalMart might leave some gaps, when the trucks have to wait to make it over.
So it's looking (long term) like it will be another warm Winter for Alaska. Last year many locations didn't even have snow on the ground during some of the Winter months.
And a little blurb on the issue of coral bleaching around Australia (home of one of the expert Enso forecasts):
http://www.natureworldnews.com/articles/18528/201 51203/coral-bleaching-reefs-adapted-warm-waters-th reatened-climate-change.htm

Being used to warm waters may not be enough for corals surrounding Australia's Kimberly region, according to researchers from the ARC Centre of Excellence in Coral Reef Studies. A recent study revealed corals in north Western Australia are just as susceptible to heat stress and bleaching as their counterparts living in less extreme environments. 


"We found that exceeding their maximum monthly summer temperatures by one degree Centigrade for only a few days is enough to induce coral bleaching," Dr. Verena Schoepf, one of the study researchers from the ARC Centre of Excellence for Coral Reef Studies (Coral CoE) at the University of Western Australia's Oceans Institute, explained in a news release. "We were surprised because under normal conditions, Kimberley corals can tolerate short-term temperature extremes and regular exposure to air without obvious signs of stress."
(brought forward from the last blog comments as I was late.)

Quoting 392. MahFL:

In that case the test would be a rigged test in favor of the electric car. When you do scientific comparisons you have to try to make the tests equal.

Wrong again. The test is to determine whether the person being challenged would choose one door or the other. The test also puts both cars on equal footing to verify their heat and pollution output. The fossil fuel vehicle could be either powered by gasoline or diesel, and the result would be the same. And as VAStorms pointed out, more and more EVs are charged by solar or wind, neither of which generates pollution in operation. Rigging a "scientific comparison" (which this was not) is mostly accomplished by deniers who ignore much of the hard data from the experiment. Note that the experiment referred to by "The Governator" is not a test of two cars, it is the uncontrolled tinkering with the living system of the Earth on which we all depend, which experiment will, unless stopped and reversed, lead to a seriously debased environment on which humans and all other life depend and which is deteriorating more rapidly every day.
SEATTLE - NEW RECORD MOST DAYS IN A YEAR WITH AT LEAST 1" OF RAINFALL: 2015 is the calendar year that has the record most days in which at least 1 inch of rain fell at the Seattle airport, with 13 such days as of December 8. 1 inch is 2.54 cm.

Link
Thank you for including the Pacific Northwest in the blog. It's not often we have notable weather, and I appreciate your attention. As for me, I'm finally getting a chance to check in. The weather has been strange. No two ways about it. We are supposed to get drizzle, not pouring rain!!

Abridged version of the last few days: the roads are flooded, landslides are blocking numerous roads, and the power is out. I'm writing this post from a restaurant with wifi as I still don't have power. Mind you, this is the second time in three weeks I have lost power, and had to take alternate routes due to flooding. Oh and we are getting ANOTHER storm on Thursday, with the models hinting at a storm following on Saturday. Great. We've already had three times our monthly rainfall for this month.

Some local news stories...

People rescued from flood waters (mentioned in the blog post)


Snohomish River swells to near record height


5 Weather records broken Tuesday
In addition to the multitude of flood warnings, western washington is under a special weather statement for landslides.

SPECIAL WEATHER STATEMENT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE SEATTLE WA
252 AM PST WED DEC 9 2015

WESTERN WHATCOM COUNTY-SOUTHWEST INTERIOR-WESTERN SKAGIT COUNTY- EVERETT AND VICINITY-TACOMA AREA-HOOD CANAL AREA- LOWER CHEHALIS VALLEY AREA-OLYMPICS-EASTERN STRAIT OF JUAN DE FUCA- WESTERN STRAIT OF JUAN DE FUCA-NORTH COAST-CENTRAL COAST- EAST PUGET SOUND LOWLANDS-BELLEVUE AND VICINITY-SEATTLE AND VICINITY- BREMERTON AND VICINITY-CASCADES OF WHATCOM AND SKAGIT COUNTIES- CASCADES OF SNOHOMISH AND KING COUNTIES- CASCADES OF PIERCE AND LEWIS COUNTIES-
252 AM PST WED DEC 9 2015

...HEAVY RAINFALL THAT HAS OCCURRED OVER THE PAST 4 DAYS WILL LEAD TO AN INCREASED THREAT OF LANDSLIDES IN WESTERN WASHINGTON...

HEAVY RAINFALL THAT HAS OCCURRED OVER THE PAST 4 DAYS WILL LEAD TO AN INCREASED THREAT OF LANDSLIDES IN WESTERN WASHINGTON. RAINFALL AMOUNTS HAVE GENERALLY RANGED FROM 4 TO 10 INCHES ON THE COAST AND 2 TO 7 INCHES IN THE INTERIOR LOWLANDS SINCE SATURDAY. THIS HEAVY RAINFALL HAS INCREASED SOIL MOISTURE TO HIGH LEVELS ACROSS WESTERN WASHINGTON. WHILE RAINFALL RATES WILL DECREASE AS THE AIR MASS COOLS OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL DAYS...ADDITIONAL RAINFALL ON TOP OF ALREADY SATURATED SOILS WILL PUT EXTRA PRESSURE ON UNSTABLE SLOPES...LEADING TO AN INCREASED THREAT OF LANDSLIDES.

A FEW LANDSLIDES HAVE ALREADY BEEN REPORTED IN VARIOUS LOCATIONS IN WESTERN WASHINGTON. A LANDSLIDE ON THE RAILROAD TRACKS IN EDMONDS ON MONDAY FORCED THE CANCELLATION OF SOUNDER AND AMTRAK SERVICE BETWEEN EVERETT AND SEATTLE. A MUDSLIDE WEST OF STEVENS PASS REDUCED U.S. HIGHWAY 2 DOWN TO ONE LANE IN BOTH DIRECTIONS TUESDAY AFTERNOON. THERE WAS ALSO A MUDSLIDE IN WOODINVILLE. MORE LANDSLIDES ARE LIKELY.

FOR MORE INFORMATION ABOUT CURRENT CONDITIONS...VISIT WWW.WEATHER.GOV/SEATTLE...SELECT HYDROLOGY...AND THEN SCROLL DOWN FOR THE LINKS TO THE LANDSLIDE INFORMATION PAGES.

TO REPORT LANDSLIDES TO THE STATE FOR TABULATION...GO TO THE WASHINGTON STATE LANDSLIDE RISK WEB PAGE AND THE LINK FOR REPORTING.
Last post before I go back to school and teach. (Of course the schools I teach at are open today, although many in the region are closed).

The USGS updates landslide charts as needed for the Puget Sound Region. Needless to say, they have been updated every few hours over the last few days.

Take a look here. The Antecedent Wetness Index is the highest I've ever seen!
And in SoCal a repeat of last year...80's and bone dry. El Niño? Ha!
A rapidly changing Atmosphere which is warmer and wetter globally is not a myth, it is a measured reality.

Quoting 16. Seattleite:

Thank you for including the Pacific Northwest in the blog. It's not often we have notable weather, and I appreciate your attention. As for me, I'm finally getting a chance to check in. The weather has been strange. No two ways about it. We are supposed to get drizzle, not pouring rain!!

Abridged version of the last few days: the roads are flooded, landslides are blocking numerous roads, and the power is out. I'm writing this post from a restaurant with wifi as I still don't have power. Mind you, this is the second time in three weeks I have lost power, and had to take alternate routes due to flooding. Oh and we are getting ANOTHER storm on Thursday, with the models hinting at a storm following on Saturday. Great. We've already had three times our monthly rainfall for this month.

Some local news stories...

People rescued from flood waters (mentioned in the blog post)


Snohomish River swells to near record height


5 Weather records broken Tuesday


Good to hear you're OK. Your post is probably a good indicator of what we in CA can expect come February.
Quoting 18. Seattleite:

Last post before I go back to school and teach. (Of course the schools I teach at are open today, although many in the region are closed).

The USGS updates landslide charts as needed for the Puget Sound Region. Needless to say, they have been updated every few hours over the last few days.

Take a look here. The Antecedent Wetness Index is the highest I've ever seen!

Thank you! Please keep on posting when you're back. I've got an elderly so called "aunt" (well, our families were friends with each other back in Germay since the times my late grandmother had been young) in Seattle; she sent me a very depressed mail yesterday as she doesn't dare to leave her home in this kind of weather ...

And thanks for the interesting entry, Bob, with the inclusion of our weird European weather (cool pic in fig. 6!).
Quoting 19. MtotheJ:

And in SoCal a repeat of last year...80's and bone dry. El Nio? Ha!


As long as the Sierras get plenty of rain/snow this winter, our water situation should be OK. Not good, just OK.
Quoting 18. Seattleite:

Last post before I go back to school and teach. (Of course the schools I teach at are open today, although many in the region are closed).

The USGS updates landslide charts as needed for the Puget Sound Region. Needless to say, they have been updated every few hours over the last few days.

Take a look here. The Antecedent Wetness Index is the highest I've ever seen!


Hey, the forest fire threat is down.

Source.

Nice satellite pic of the storm that has hit Iceland (see blog entry), with its center now near the southern tip of Greenland before heading back east a bit.

Quoting 14. CaneFreeCR:

The test also puts both cars on equal footing to verify their heat and pollution output.


You could do other tests though, eg you get stuck in a blizzard and it's 20 below freezing and you forgot to take blankets and a jacket, your going to live longer in a gasoline car as the electric one would run out of juice pretty quick in 20 degree below weather.
With new climate draft, a deal creeps closer in Paris
Source: Reuters - Wed, 9 Dec 2015 14:34 GMT
PARIS, Dec 9 (Reuters) - After 11 days of face-to-face negotiations in Paris, a slimmer but still-troubled draft of a global climate agreement was released on Wednesday, revealing countries remain divided over several core issues.
French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius, who is chairing the talks, unveiled the latest draft that followed three days and nights of backroom negotiations aimed at breaking some of the thorniest problems.
Foremost among them is who shoulders the cost of moving the world to a low-carbon energy system and how often nations should be prompted to accelerate their efforts.
"On these issues I ask you to scale up your consultations to speedily come to compromise solutions," Fabius said, addressing the conference.
He said the new draft text was 29 pages long, against 43 on Saturday, and three-quarters of the points of dispute had been settled.
"We've made progress but still a lot of work remains to be done," he said. "Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed." ...
Quoting 19. MtotheJ:

And in SoCal a repeat of last year...80's and bone dry. El Niño? Ha!


The forecast is for the jet stream to dip south and help SoCal, also the full effects of El Nino are not felt until later in the actual winter, remember we are still in fall right now.
The NW Pacific storm close up :

Thanks for the info Mr Henson.
We had something like this river of moisture in about 1994 coming right up from Brazil to Spain and it went on for weeks, I seem to remember about 3 months with rain every day.
Now the picture is about the same, except that the river of moisture is about 800 miles further north.

Meanwhile we in Spain are having a very dry time of things, not that anybody is much worried about water as there is massive amounts of it in dams but the rainwater for farms is starting to become a problem and today I could not obtain 10 gallon water containers which are usually in great abundance free of charge, as they have been harvested up by the local farmers for water transport.

This weekend some areas might get a few slight light occasional showers but for the main things are very dry.



Looks like the UK or at least the north of it will be getting a lot more rain in the next few days.
Come on, it was just for fun.
5 28 pm and its 51.3 degrees on dec 9 2015 here in Toronto Ontario


For the first time in human history, global CO2 levels have exceeded the safe zone — permanently.
DECEMBER 07, 2015


The big UN Climate Conference started on Nov. 30, and the timing couldn't be better — because as of Nov. 11, CO2 levels in our air have officially exceeded the safe zone.

According to measurements from the Scripps Mauna Lua Observatory in Hawaii, the amount of carbon dioxide in the Earth's atmosphere has risen above 400 parts per million (ppm) for the first time in 3 million years.

And sadly, it will never drop down again as long as any of us are living.

So I mean, sure, there is a natural cycle to carbon levels. Note the word "natural" — digging up and burning fossil fuels is not natural, especially at the rate we've been doing it.

We've spent the last few decades pumping an additional two ppm of CO2 into the atmosphere every year. And that's above and beyond the constraints of that natural cycle.

Also worth noting: The last time CO2 levels were consistently over 400 ppm? Global temperatures were about three degrees higher; the polar ice caps melted, causing sea levels to rise about 30 feet from where they are right now; and camels lived in the Arctic region.


In the Arctic.

And speaking of cycles...

The Earth actually passed that 400 ppm milestone back in May, before dipping back down to 398.2 ppm in July. Why the dip? That's just due to the seasonal increase of plant life in the Northern Hemisphere.

As you might recall from middle school science class, plants love CO2. That's why we get along with them so well; it's a
mutually beneficial relationship.

But now, winter is coming and the plants are dead and CO2 levels are back up to 400 ppm. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Since CO2 stays in the atmosphere for hundreds of years, and we're still increasing CO2 levels by two ppm every year — well, it's safe to say we won't see another atmosphere in that safe zone below 400 ppm as long as any of us are alive.

Now if only we had more trees to eat up all that extra CO2...

Unfortunately, we're a little preoccupied with cutting our trees down. Industrial deforestation accounts for 23% of man-made carbon emissions, or 17% of our total carbon increase over the last 100 years.

There's also the fact that the influx of wildfires across the planet is directly related to the increase in global temperatures.

To recap: We're burning fossil fuels to cut down trees that would otherwise eat the carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, which in turn causes global temperatures to rise, which leads to the forests combusting, which results in fewer trees to eat the carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, which...

While our air quality won't get any better within our own lifetimes, we can still make it better for the next generation.
If you care about your children, and your children's children, and their children's children, and so on, sign this petition to support the EPA and the Clean Power Plan.

If we all work together, we could build a brighter future that returns our planet to those natural cycles that worked so well for so long.

Quoting 30. MahFL:

The NW Pacific storm close up :




Reminds me Laura 2008:

5 day temp departure from normal

from today till sunday dec 13

Quoting 37. pablosyn:



Reminds me Laura 2008:




Tropical Storm Laura Wikipedia
Senate Science Committee hearing challenges “dogma” of climate science
Usual suspects accept Sen. Cruz’s invitation to declare the science unsettled.

by Scott K. Johnson - Dec 9, 2015 1:10pm CST



While the eyes of the world are on Paris, where nations are hammering out an agreement to do something about the reality of climate change, the Senate Subcommittee on Space, Science, and Competitiveness once again held a hearing on Tuesday to debate whether climate change is for real. Subcommittee Chairman Ted Cruz (R-Tex.), who is running for his party’s presidential nomination, convened the hearing titled “Data or dogma? Promoting open inquiry in the debate over the magnitude of human impact on Earth’s climate.”




Senator Ted Cruz opens the hearing.
Quoting 16. Seattleite:

Thank you for including the Pacific Northwest in the blog. It's not often we have notable weather, and I appreciate your attention. As for me, I'm finally getting a chance to check in. The weather has been strange. No two ways about it. We are supposed to get drizzle, not pouring rain!!

Abridged version of the last few days: the roads are flooded, landslides are blocking numerous roads, and the power is out. I'm writing this post from a restaurant with wifi as I still don't have power. Mind you, this is the second time in three weeks I have lost power, and had to take alternate routes due to flooding. Oh and we are getting ANOTHER storm on Thursday, with the models hinting at a storm following on Saturday. Great. We've already had three times our monthly rainfall for this month.

Some local news stories...

People rescued from flood waters (mentioned in the blog post)


Snohomish River swells to near record height


5 Weather records broken Tuesday


here in seattle city we don't have too much by way of power outages, but then again apparently the gubbermint-run electric company is really good about keeping infrastructure intact and ready to go.

wet as the dickens tho.
Quoting 40. Patrap:

Senator Ted Cruz opens the hearing.


makes sense. he's a guy who really knows his science, after all.
More trouble on the way...
Senate Science Committee letting Cruz open the hearing is like letting my cats do my budget; they really don't care about my budget, have other agendas, have no clue what they're talking about, but would say anything to get what they really want.
Quoting 42. schwankmoe:



makes sense. he's a guy who really knows his science, after all.


I'd like to see any of you guys debate him. He is brilliant.

From Wikipedia

Cruz graduated cum laude from Princeton University with a Bachelor of Arts in Public Policy[30] from the Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs in 1992.[31][3] While at Princeton, he competed for the American Whig-Cliosophic Society's Debate Panel and won the top speaker award at both the 1992 U.S. National Debating Championship and the 1992 North American Debating Championship.[32] In 1992, he was named U.S. National Speaker of the Year, and with his debate partner David Panton won Team of the Year.[32] Cruz and Panton represented Harvard Law School at the 1995 World Debating Championship, but lost in the semi-finals to a team from Australia.[33][34][35] Princeton's debate team later named their annual novice championship after Cruz.[35]

Cruz's senior thesis investigated the separation of powers; its title, Clipping the Wings of Angels, draws its inspiration from a passage attributed to US President James Madison: "If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary." Cruz argued that the drafters of the Constitution intended to protect the rights of their constituents, and that the last two items in the Bill of Rights offer an explicit stop against an all-powerful state.[17][36]

After graduating from Princeton, Cruz attended Harvard Law School, graduating magna cum laude in 1995 with a Juris Doctor degree.[3][37] While at Harvard Law, he was a primary editor of the Harvard Law Review, and executive editor of the Harvard Journal of Law and Public Policy, and a founding editor of the Harvard Latino Law Review.[31] Referring to Cruz's time as a student at Harvard Law, Professor Alan Dershowitz said, "Cruz was off-the-charts brilliant".[38][39

PensacolaDoug, yes he's brilliant. He's a brilliant liar, brilliant at catering to the super pact billionaires who's agenda he plans to carry out, he's brilliant at misleading the uninformed, he's brilliant at being a word smith; he may be a brilliant debater but he caters not to the truth. He caters to the one percent, to power, and at any cost. He knows AGW is happening, he knows the science, and he has zero problem ignoring that to gain power and influence.
Quoting 46. PensacolaDoug:



I'd like to see any of you guys debate him. He is brilliant.

From Wikipedia

Cruz graduated cum laude from Princeton University with a Bachelor of Arts in Public Policy[30] from the Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs in 1992.[31][3] While at Princeton, he competed for the American Whig-Cliosophic Society's Debate Panel and won the top speaker award at both the 1992 U.S. National Debating Championship and the 1992 North American Debating Championship.[32] In 1992, he was named U.S. National Speaker of the Year, and with his debate partner David Panton won Team of the Year.[32] Cruz and Panton represented Harvard Law School at the 1995 World Debating Championship, but lost in the semi-finals to a team from Australia.[33][34][35] Princeton's debate team later named their annual novice championship after Cruz.[35]

Cruz's senior thesis investigated the separation of powers; its title, Clipping the Wings of Angels, draws its inspiration from a passage attributed to US President James Madison: "If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary." Cruz argued that the drafters of the Constitution intended to protect the rights of their constituents, and that the last two items in the Bill of Rights offer an explicit stop against an all-powerful state.[17][36]

After graduating from Princeton, Cruz attended Harvard Law School, graduating magna cum laude in 1995 with a Juris Doctor degree.[3][37] While at Harvard Law, he was a primary editor of the Harvard Law Review, and executive editor of the Harvard Journal of Law and Public Policy, and a founding editor of the Harvard Latino Law Review.[31] Referring to Cruz's time as a student at Harvard Law, Professor Alan Dershowitz said, "Cruz was off-the-charts brilliant".[38][39


For all his well-known unlikeability and his many famously creepy characteristics, Cruz is, after all, a practiced and accomplished debater, as you've shown. Because of that, I've little doubt he could employ all the standard debater tactics and tricks to beat most or all of us here: shouting out, Gish Galloping, and so on. But scoring points in a theatrical debate is in no way the same as proving oneself correct. I think most anyone who has ever cracked a science book or taken a high school-level physics class would be able to keep up with Cruz where climate change facts and figures are concerned--and some of the more knowledgeable types here would be able to beat him. Handily.
Where overall snow coverage is concerned, the planet is a-hurtin' for certain:



Quoting 46. PensacolaDoug:



I'd like to see any of you guys debate him. He is brilliant.




he is good at debating. namely, shoveling any load of horse flop with the sort of confidence that convinces low-information sorts that he's telling the truth. i mean, look at that interview - he unloaded debunked talking point after talking point with an insane level of skill. no pausing, no tripping, just lie after lie with a wink and a smile.

actual facts certainly tend to wither under the intense glare of such a skill. and he does have it in spades.
Quoting 51. Neapolitan:

Where overall snow coverage is concerned, the planet is a-hurtin' for certain:



great storms are coming watch wait see
Quoting 46. PensacolaDoug:



I'd like to see any of you guys debate him. He is brilliant.

From Wikipedia

Cruz graduated cum laude from Princeton University with a Bachelor of Arts in Public Policy[30] from the Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs in 1992.[31][3] While at Princeton, he competed for the American Whig-Cliosophic Society's Debate Panel and won the top speaker award at both the 1992 U.S. National Debating Championship and the 1992 North American Debating Championship.[32] In 1992, he was named U.S. National Speaker of the Year, and with his debate partner David Panton won Team of the Year.[32] Cruz and Panton represented Harvard Law School at the 1995 World Debating Championship, but lost in the semi-finals to a team from Australia.[33][34][35] Princeton's debate team later named their annual novice championship after Cruz.[35]

Cruz's senior thesis investigated the separation of powers; its title, Clipping the Wings of Angels, draws its inspiration from a passage attributed to US President James Madison: "If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary." Cruz argued that the drafters of the Constitution intended to protect the rights of their constituents, and that the last two items in the Bill of Rights offer an explicit stop against an all-powerful state.[17][36]

After graduating from Princeton, Cruz attended Harvard Law School, graduating magna cum laude in 1995 with a Juris Doctor degree.[3][37] While at Harvard Law, he was a primary editor of the Harvard Law Review, and executive editor of the Harvard Journal of Law and Public Policy, and a founding editor of the Harvard Latino Law Review.[31] Referring to Cruz's time as a student at Harvard Law, Professor Alan Dershowitz said, "Cruz was off-the-charts brilliant".[38][39



Since Sen Cruz's brilliance is such that it allows him expertise in fields he has never studied, perhaps we should consider consulting him should we be faced with difficult medical issues
46. Eh, doesn't mean anything. Cruz is just good at debating climate change, better than many climate scientists are. He's also the Chair of the Senate Commerce Subcommittee on Space, Science, and Competitiveness; watching him flub in trying to grasp the basic scientific principles that govern the universe is usually pretty hilarious once he's forced out of his comfort zone. Granted, I don't think he's an idiot as clearly to get to where he is now, he must have some iota of intelligence, but it's pretty apparent he's never really studied or taken an interest in science.
Quoting 53. KEEPEROFTHEGATE:

great storms are coming watch wait see

The way things are going, they might turn out to be rain storms
It's like kicking a hornets nest!!!
Quoting 46. PensacolaDoug:



I'd like to see any of you guys debate him. He is brilliant.

He's also a great actor, played Grandpa Munster back in the day.

How come ya'll never talk about HRC many lies and obfuscations?
58!! Now THATS funny!
Quoting 46. PensacolaDoug:



I'd like to see any of you guys debate him. He is brilliant.

I would love the opportunity. I would absolutely destroy him --and I'm not "cum-anything" or a climate scientist or brilliant. However, I'm reasonably familiar with the science and utterly familiar with the tricks he'd use, both his rhetorical tricks and data manipulations. I'm also a much better public speaker than Cruz and I'm extremely unlikely to be intimidated.

He wouldn't last five minutes...and that's allowing three-and-a-half for his Gish gallop. lol

I expect that there are at least a dozen others who blog here that could do as well or better than me, too.

Ted Cruz. What a joke. LOL!
Quoting 59. PensacolaDoug:

How come ya'll never talk about HRC many lies and obfuscations?

Has Clinton lied about weather or climate? If not, then it's not really relevant to this blog, right?
Quoting 59. PensacolaDoug:

How come ya'll never talk about HRC many lies and obfuscations?


because she isn't lying about the climate. this isn't a generic political blog, doug.
Quoting 57. PensacolaDoug:

It's like kicking a hornets nest!!!


Most here don't tolerate lies at the cost of humanity. Cruz represents just that.
Quoting 57. PensacolaDoug:

It's like kicking a hornets nest!!!
Kudos! That is as solid a definition of "trollish behavior" as I've ever seen. Good work!
Quoting 56. ACSeattle:


The way things are going, they might turn out to be rain storms


I was thinking a seasons worth of snow in two weeks for the entire eastern half of north America from o lets say southern james bay to nw fla for the warm up
then a 2000 plus nader count for the late winter early spring tornado alley rodeo
followed by a intense to extreme cane season main course
by then break time till we get too do it again 17/18
Quoting 54. ACSeattle:


Since Sen Cruz's brilliance is such that it allows him expertise in fields he has never studied, perhaps we should consider consulting him should we be faced with difficult medical issues


indeed. my dad was a super-genius. knew 10 languages, could randomly quote poetry in german or italian or french, could show you where in the old testament or the talmud where they messed up translating from the hebrew or aramaic. but man, when it came to science, he was pretty ignorant. when reagan once asserted that trees cause more pollution than mankind he was all 'MAKES SENSE TO ME!'

being smart in one area doesn't make you smart in another. being a great lawyer or debator doesn't give you the slightest bit of ability to properly judge science.
Quoting 60. PensacolaDoug:

58!! Now THATS funny!
scary weird maybe
Quoting 52. schwankmoe:
he is good at debating. namely, shoveling any load of horse flop with the sort of confidence that convinces low-information sorts that he's telling the truth. i mean, look at that interview - he unloaded debunked talking point after talking point with an insane level of skill. no pausing, no tripping, just lie after lie with a wink and a smile.

actual facts certainly tend to wither under the intense glare of such a skill. and he does have it in spades
He'd make a good VP for Trump.

(Yes, this is science related because anything that affects so many people so profoundly (AGW) is inherently political.)
Everything Senator Ted Cruz said about climate change in this NPR interview was wrong.

On December 9th, National Public Radio broadcast an interview between NPR’s Steve Inskeep and Senator Ted Cruz on the subject of climate change. Below is an annotated transcript of that interview with my [bracketed] responses to the consistently false scientific claims made by Senator Cruz. Effectively, every single scientific point he made was wrong – a classic “Gish Gallop” of long-debunked talking points of those who dispute the unambiguous scientific evidence of climate change. In these bracketed annotations I have provided a few hyperlinks to each of the myths he repeats. I have tried not to address the many other political and ideological points he made about climate change and scientists during this interview, though a few seem to have snuck in.

Read more ...
Quoting 50. Neapolitan:

For all his well-known unlikeability and his many famously creepy characteristics, Cruz is, after all, a practiced and accomplished debater, as you've shown. Because of that, I've little doubt he could employ all the standard debater tactics and tricks to beat most or all of us here: shouting out, Gish Galloping, and so on. But scoring points in a theatrical debate is in no way the same as proving oneself correct. I think most anyone who has ever cracked a science book or taken a high school-level physics class would be able to keep up with Cruz where climate change facts and figures are concerned--and some of the more knowledgeable types here would be able to beat him. Handily.


A well prepared, knowledgeable Rear Adm. Titley handed him and the denier witnesses their collective hats at yesterday's hearing
Just gonna drop this by. :)

Link
Behold the Bloomberg Carbon Clock! The clock itself is gimmicky and well behind reality---go to the Keeling Curve Twitter for real up-to-date information. However, scrolling down the page gets you to some good information about CO2.
Quoting 72. TropicalAnalystwx13:

Just gonna drop this by. :)

Link
I thought you were a Romney-Ryan supporter ;) But open minds are a wonderful thing. Your civic assignment is to have voted for both major parties for president by the time you are 40 and not be 'captured' by one party or the other.
Quoting 65. Neapolitan:

Kudos! That is as solid a definition of "trollish behavior" as I've ever seen. Good work!
I wasn't trolling. I was defending TC and you guys freaked all on your own.
Quoting 46. PensacolaDoug:



I'd like to see any of you guys debate him. He is brilliant.

Cruz is smart and cunning, but he knows diddly squat about climate science and cares less.

He is putting on this carnival hearing to show the Koch brothers he will be their fossil fuel lap dog. He needs their immense campaign war chest, and he will tell any lie necessary to get it.
Cruz represents the main think of the close to fifty percent of Americans that don't believe, hell won't even look at the science, wing of American thought. We mock the anti intellectualism, but it's been sold with such precision, that undoing that is proving a high hurdle to jump. It's dangerous and shows how far we have to go to spreading the truth. How does one reach those who won't look at the facts? These folks have been blinded by lies to the extent, to them, the glaringly obvious truth is the lie. It's a problem with currently no answers. Shows how far we've fallen in individual thought in America. We're told what to think, and so many never cross check that for truth. Political ideology is just that strong in America today.
I'm out. There is a viciousness to you guys that I am not willing to match.
Quoting 77. DeepSeaRising:

Cruz represents the main think of the close to fifty percent of Americans that don't believe, hell won't even look at the science, wing of American thought. We mock the anti intellectualism, but it's been sold with such precision, that undoing that is proving a high hurdle to jump. It's dangerous and shows how far we have to go to spreading the truth. How does one reach those who won't look at the facts? These folks have been blinded by lies to the extent, to them, the glaringly obvious truth is the lie. It's a problem with currently no answers. Shows how far we've fallen in individual thought in America. We're told what to think, and so many never cross check that for truth. Political ideology is just that strong in America today.

A good deal of this can be laid at the doorstep of the mass media. Somewhere along the line they decided that "telling both sides of the story" was a better way to go --regardless of facts, evidence, or logic. (And not just with climate science or science generally.) The result is a popular culture in which reality is largely considered to be malleable by many Americans. The media will merely report the controversy.

Saves no end of work.
Quoting 46. PensacolaDoug:



I'd like to see any of you guys debate him. He is brilliant.

From Wikipedia

Cruz graduated cum laude from Princeton University with a Bachelor of Arts in Public Policy[30] from the Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs in 1992.[31][3] While at Princeton, he competed for the American Whig-Cliosophic Society's Debate Panel and won the top speaker award at both the 1992 U.S. National Debating Championship and the 1992 North American Debating Championship.[32] In 1992, he was named U.S. National Speaker of the Year, and with his debate partner David Panton won Team of the Year.[32] Cruz and Panton represented Harvard Law School at the 1995 World Debating Championship, but lost in the semi-finals to a team from Australia.[33][34][35] Princeton's debate team later named their annual novice championship after Cruz.[35]

Cruz's senior thesis investigated the separation of powers; its title, Clipping the Wings of Angels, draws its inspiration from a passage attributed to US President James Madison: "If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary." Cruz argued that the drafters of the Constitution intended to protect the rights of their constituents, and that the last two items in the Bill of Rights offer an explicit stop against an all-powerful state.[17][36]

After graduating from Princeton, Cruz attended Harvard Law School, graduating magna cum laude in 1995 with a Juris Doctor degree.[3][37] While at Harvard Law, he was a primary editor of the Harvard Law Review, and executive editor of the Harvard Journal of Law and Public Policy, and a founding editor of the Harvard Latino Law Review.[31] Referring to Cruz's time as a student at Harvard Law, Professor Alan Dershowitz said, "Cruz was off-the-charts brilliant".[38][39




Wow, attended Harvard Law School, editor of the Harvard Law Review and graduated magna cum laude. A brilliant man indeed.


Quoting 79. AdamReith:

Do not make the mistake of underestimating him. He is a far more dangerous demagogue than that clown, Trump.

Cruz is the smartest candidate in the Republican race. If he can convince the biggest money that he is their man, he could crush the other candidates by sheer weight of money, and unlike Trump he is a crafty enough dissembler to win the general election.

Cruz is a dangerous man. Lacking integrity or scruples--and that's according to his Republican colleagues--he is unpredictable. He would be a threat to the country and the world in the White House.

Oh, he's definitely dangerous, smart, and crafty. But one-on-one with somebody who knows the facts, he'll be exposed in a very short amount of time. That's the danger of all that dissembling, after all. One should avoid it for that reason, at least, if not for the immorality.
Quoting 81. kestrel68:



Wow, attended Harvard Law School, editor of the Harvard Law Review and graduated magna cum laude. A brilliant man indeed.




Color me unimpressed. Physics isn't the slightest bit intimidated by those accomplishments. If he (or anyone else) thinks he'll beat physics, they are in for a tremendous let down.
Where,s Grothar ?
Quoting 78. PensacolaDoug:

I'm out. There is a viciousness to you guys that I am not willing to match.


Misleading the public, burying truth in lies in one of most brilliant propaganda strategies in history, catering to the billionaires who carry affluence like never before, and doing everything to stop legislation to address legislation to curb AGW; now that is true viciousness for the sake of naked greed at the cost of all.
Quoting 81. kestrel68:



Wow, attended Harvard Law School, editor of the Harvard Law Review and graduated magna cum laude. A brilliant man indeed.





Many of the most evil people in history have been brilliant. Brilliant does not equal one who cares for the cause of good nor does that equal compassion for their fellow man or one who cares anything for truth. High IQ is just that. It's what one does with it that counts.
Quoting 83. Misanthroptimist:


Color me unimpressed. Physics isn't the slightest bit intimidated by those accomplishments. If he (or anyone else) thinks he'll beat physics, they are in for a tremendous let down.


Maybe I was a little too subtle. Can anyone think of another public figure who attended Harvard Law School, was editor of the Harvard Law Review and graduated magna cum laude?

Quoting 87. kestrel68:



Maybe I was a little too subtle. Can anyone think of another public figure who attended Harvard Law School, was editor of the Harvard Law Review and graduated magna cum laude?




can you point out where that guy denies basic science regarding the climate, instead asserting that since he's a smart lawyer he knows better?
It more like fishing really..all u have to do is use the right lures.
Like dis un tonight,

It did pull in the Big Kingfish,..as I have a good cast with that one seems.

: P


Quoting 40. Patrap:

Senate Science Committee hearing challenges “dogma” of climate science
Usual suspects accept Sen. Cruz’s invitation to declare the science unsettled.

by Scott K. Johnson - Dec 9, 2015 1:10pm CST



While the eyes of the world are on Paris, where nations are hammering out an agreement to do something about the reality of climate change, the Senate Subcommittee on Space, Science, and Competitiveness once again held a hearing on Tuesday to debate whether climate change is for real. Subcommittee Chairman Ted Cruz (R-Tex.), who is running for his party’s presidential nomination, convened the hearing titled “Data or dogma? Promoting open inquiry in the debate over the magnitude of human impact on Earth’s climate.”




Senator Ted Cruz opens the hearing.
Quoting 87. kestrel68:



Maybe I was a little too subtle. Can anyone think of another public figure who attended Harvard Law School, was editor of the Harvard Law Review and graduated magna cum laude?




The CnC comes to mind, easily.

Semper Fi'
Quoting 88. schwankmoe:



can you point out where that guy denies basic science regarding the climate, instead asserting that since he's a smart lawyer he knows better?


Wow, tough crowd. For the record, I was going for irony.

Quoting 91. kestrel68:



Wow, tough crowd. For the record, I was going for irony.




i understand, but it really doesn't go very far here. the whole point is that non-scientific credentials don't matter much when it comes to science.

and when it comes to cruz, you can't joke a whole lot. the guy's pretty dangerous.
Quoting 84. pottery:

Where,s Grothar ?


Are you kidding me??? For the past week I've been scratching my head in 8 languages. None of the answers makes sense. I'll be back when the dust settles.
Quoting 81. kestrel68:



Wow, attended Harvard Law School, editor of the Harvard Law Review and graduated magna cum laude. A brilliant man indeed.





It was your first comment ever here. You can imagine what that usually represents here when such is being discussed.
Quoting 93. schwankmoe:



i understand, but it really doesn't go very far here. the whole point is that non-scientific credentials don't matter much when it comes to science.

and when it comes to cruz, you can't joke a whole lot. the guy's pretty dangerous.


Wow again. The irony to which I was referring was Doug extolling the brilliance of a man who attended Harvard Law School, was editor of the Harvard Law Review and graduated magna cum laude. You really think he has the same opinion of Barack Obama?

Quoting 94. Grothar:



Are you kidding me??? For the past week I've been scratching my head in 8 languages. None of the answers makes sense. I'll be back when the dust settles.

Just don't divide by zero. For all our sakes.
Quoting 87. kestrel68:



Maybe I was a little too subtle. Can anyone think of another public figure who attended Harvard Law School, was editor of the Harvard Law Review and graduated magna cum laude?



I saw that immediately, but decided that that way was madness. I think that that belief has been justified. :^)
Academics for Hire Disclose Fossil Fuel Funding

Quoting

One of the academics exposed, William Happer of Princeton, is actually testifying at Ted Cruz's Senate hearing on protecting climate denial this afternoon.The details from the sting are a fascinating look into how academic credibility can be bought.

In Happer’s case, investigators said they were part of a “Middle East oil and gas company” and asked to ensure that their commissioning of the report could not be traced. Happer reached out to a friendly Exxon lobbyist who suggested channeling it through Donors Trust, the shady donor anonymity organization that has been called the “dark-money ATM” of North American conservatives.

They followed up with Donors Trust, asking if they accepted money from a Middle Eastern oil and gas company. The Trust basically said no problem, as long as the cash came from an American bank account. “We can take it from a foreign body, just we have to be extra cautious with that.”

Possibly related.
Quoting 71. JohnLonergan:



A well prepared, knowledgeable Rear Adm. Titley handed him and the denier witnesses their collective hats at yesterday's hearing


It was this moment....,the Admiral sank them with one line.

Quoting 226. JohnLonergan:


Quoting 74. BaltimoreBrian:

I thought you were a Romney-Ryan supporter ;) But open minds are a wonderful thing. Your civic assignment is to have voted for both major parties for president by the time you are 40 and not be 'captured' by one party or the other.

My political views changed quite a bit when I stopped listening to what my parents believed and began doing my own research. :)

They think my views are crazy, I think their views are insane--we just don't talk about politics in the house haha.
Quoting 101. TropicalAnalystwx13:


My political views changed quite a bit when I stopped listening to what my parents believed and began doing my own research. :)

They think my views are crazy, I think their views are insane--we just don't talk about politics in the house haha.


We need more Americans to do just that. Basic research into what the facts really are. As we age, doing that becomes that much more difficult. Why the gap in who seeks the truth in AGW and other subjects and those who don't are often an age related gap.
Quoting 78. PensacolaDoug:
I'm out. There is a viciousness to you guys that I am not willing to match.
If you tried to counter the truth and facts of AGW/CC with lies and b.s., viciousness wouldn't help. The truth stands strong.

Plus, I don't think you understand the meaning of vicious, which is an adjective that implies intent of harm. Ted Cruz is the one who is being intentionally harmful by allowing his greed and lust for power and control to make him lie and promote harmful behavior on a massive scale.

I am much more impressed with the knowledge, honesty and truthfulness of old-fashioned conservatives like Admiral Titley (Ret.) than with the lies and blatherings of modern right wing sellouts like Senator Ted Cruz.
Quoting 101. TropicalAnalystwx13:

My political views changed quite a bit when I stopped listening to what my parents believed and began doing my own research. :)

They think my views are crazy, I think their views are insane--we just don't talk about politics in the house haha.

Excellent!
Blog not settled just yet.
Quoting 106. BaltimoreBrian:

Peru downgrades El Nino forecast from 'strong to 'moderate' What does WebberWeather think about that?



Stupid for obvious reasons.


Reading this blog is unreal sometimes. Bunch of comments yet no substance.

All-Time record for Nino 3.4.

NINO 3.4 INITIAL TIME 12 2015
PROJECTION FRACTION TERCILES HALF DEG C MEDIAN
BELOW NORMAL ABOVE BELOW NORMAL ABOVE DEG C ANOMALY
OND 0.000 0.000 1.000 0.000 0.000 1.000 29.45 2.82
NDJ 0.000 0.000 1.000 0.000 0.000 1.000 29.39 2.82
DJF -0.000 0.000 1.000 0.000 0.000 1.000 29.03 2.40
JFM 0.000 0.000 1.000 0.000 0.000 1.000 28.67 1.84

FMA 0.000 0.005 0.995 0.000 0.017 0.983 28.58 1.33
MAM 0.001 0.043 0.956 0.000 0.101 0.899 28.56 0.94
AMJ 0.020 0.186 0.794 0.014 0.345 0.641 28.37 0.60
MJJ 0.156 0.341 0.504 0.095 0.521 0.384 27.87 0.29
JJA 0.305 0.368 0.327 0.242 0.497 0.261 27.26 0.02
JAS 0.413 0.353 0.234 0.361 0.444 0.195 26.75 -0.19
ASO 0.452 0.345 0.204 0.429 0.382 0.190 26.45 -0.30
SON 0.442 0.346 0.213 0.444 0.340 0.216 26.38 -0.31
OND 0.632 0.272 0.096 0.655 0.235 0.109 25.74 -0.89
NDJ 0.691 0.241 0.067 0.721 0.196 0.083 25.47 -1.10
DJF 0.773 0.190 0.037 0.792 0.164 0.044 25.37 -1.26
JFM 0.772 0.193 0.036 0.768 0.194 0.038 25.75 -1.08
Quoting 24. Qazulight:



Hey, the forest fire threat is down.

Yes, I suppose that's good. But it also means the season of bad erosion from burned areas and fire lines is just beginning. It's been so warm the snow that stopped me Friday has melted and I was able to get up to 6,000 feet today, where it burned really hot, and I was blown away by the amount of sediment coming off the landscape. Completely overwhelmed a few culverts. And it's only December 9th! I am really nervous about that atmospheric river, Pineapple Connection thing that hit Washington moving down here (Humboldt County, CA) for January and February. I made arrangements to have those culverts completely removed tomorrow for the winter, since there's no way we can clean them out after every storm, which seems to be what they need. Seems like this fire season will never really end.

OK, y'all can go back to politics now. Really, I don't mind. I appreciate your informed opinions about that too.
Quoting 111. StormTrackerScott:

Reading this blog is unreal sometimes. Bunch of comments yet no substance.




Irony wins AgAIN?
Quoting 96. kestrel68:



Wow again. The irony to which I was referring was Doug extolling the brilliance of a man who attended Harvard Law School, was editor of the Harvard Law Review and graduated magna cum laude. You really think he has the same opinion of Barack Obama?




do you really think doug cares? irony doesn't work on some people.
Quoting 101. TropicalAnalystwx13:


My political views changed quite a bit when I stopped listening to what my parents believed and began doing my own research. :)

They think my views are crazy, I think their views are insane--we just don't talk about politics in the house haha.

That seems to be what it's all about today.

I started to change my views after stopping listening to my parents, then I got out on my own a bit only to come back where I started and am fine with it. There will never be anything new under the sun, so I hold onto something that will never change.
Mauritius Meteorological Services
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DEPRESSION TROPICALE 02-20152016
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Northeast of Rodriques Island

At 0:00 AM UTC, Tropical Depression 02R (999 hPa) located at 14.3S 70.6E has 10 minute sustained winds of 30 knots. The depression is reported as moving southwest at 9 knots.

Near Gale Force Winds
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Dvorak Intensity: T2.5/2.5/D1.0/24 HRS

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12 HRS 15.2S 69.6E - 30 knots (Depression Tropicale)
24 HRS 16.0S 69.0E - 35 knots (Tempête Tropicale Modérée)
48 HRS 17.9S 67.7E - 35 knots (Tempête Tropicale Modérée)
72 HRS 21.8S 65.6E - 35 knots (Tempête Tropicale Modérée)

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The system has developed an impressive cluster of deep convection associated with cloud tops temperature as low as -91C on n19 imagery of 2055z. Available fix during the night allow some relocation of the 1800z estimate near 13.9S 71.4E or around 30 nm to the north northeast of the previous position. The center is now located under the convective mass and this is a significant improvement of the cloud pattern compared to 24 hours ago. The upper level divergence remains excellent over the western and especially the southern sectors where it is enhanced by a remote upper level low and its associated jet stream. The current intensity analysis is based on Dvorak and is located on the upper side of the current estimation.

The system is currently located to the north of a weakness of the subtropical ridge near 70E in the low to mid-levels (from 850 to 500 mb). Today, the weakness should back off in the low levels (sfc to 850 mb) as a transient high is expected to build. But in the mid-levels (700 but especially at 500 mb), the weakness is still present associated with a rather well defined ridge to the east of the system. Basically, the spread in the forecast tracks is stronger compared to 24-36 hours with some westwards scenarii, seen since yesterday and also shown by the EURO ensemble. The gfs insists with its more polewards track and is located on the left side of the guidance. All this differences seems to come from a disagreement about where the steering level will be within the next few days ... the level of the steering flow is linked with the intensity forecast. The EURO 1800z run show a back off the track toward the east. The current forecast track is close to the EURO-UK-GFS consensus and follow a steering level near 700 mb in agreement with the track forecast.

On this path, from tonight, the system should move under the upper level ridge and so have a near 36 hours period of light shear before an increase in northwesterly shear friday night. However the upper level divergence is expected should decrease as soon as Friday ... so there is little chance that the system intensify further that a minimal tropical storm. South of 20s, gradual increase in wind shear and the lack of oceanic content should allow the start of the extratropical process.
Quoting 106. BaltimoreBrian:
Peru downgrades El Nino forecast from 'strong' to 'moderate'
Quoting 110. StormTrackerScott:
Stupid for obvious reasons.
Really?
“During the anomaly of 1997, coastal temperatures in Peru were almost double what they are now, so it would be very difficult to reach those levels,” Takahashi said.
Quoting 121. bappit:

Really?
%u201CDuring the anomaly of 1997, coastal temperatures in Peru were almost double what they are now, so it would be very difficult to reach those levels,%u201D Takahashi said.



Moderate El-Nino with a reading or 2.9C which peaked @ 3.1C beating 1997's 2.8C? Seems like a ridiculous post if you ask me. I'm like Trump I don't hold back never have and never will.
Here comes Winter! Southern snow mid next week? Maybe!

Big time Arctic Blast showing up on the 0Z GFS

Major pattern change next week to colder stormier weather across the Southern US.

The El-Nino Cooler & Wetter than average will play out the second half of December for FL.

GFS has temps in the mid 50's for highs in Orlando next Saturday with 2" PWAT's. #Heavy Overrunning Rains



Dozens of Records Threatened as December Warmth Sends Temperatures Up To 30 Degrees Above Average



A very mild weather pattern for early-December standards has engulfed a large swath of the Lower 48 states. Temperatures will soar up to 30 degrees above early-December averages through this weekend as the mild air spreads from the western and central states to the East Coast.

Quoting 122. StormTrackerScott:
Moderate El-Nino with a reading or 2.9C which peaked @ 3.1C beating 1997's 2.8C? Seems like a ridiculous post if you ask me. I'm like Trump I don't hold back never have and never will.
We'll see what the future holds. That's what they are talking about, you know.
Quoting 111. StormTrackerScott:

Reading this blog is unreal sometimes. Bunch of comments yet no substance.




So posting one outlier model run and forecasting flooding and tornadoes for Tampa this weekend is substance? Personally, I'm happy you were wrong.
Quoting 124. StormTrackerScott:

Big time Arctic Blast showing up on the 0Z GFS


yeah it's looking good, things are shaping up for a pattern change
Quoting 128. StormTrackerScott:

GFS has temps in the mid 50's for highs in Orlando next Saturday with 2" PWAT's. #Heavy Overrunning Rains




I've been watching this also. Would love to see this. Let's keep our fingers crossed.
Quoting 106. BaltimoreBrian:

Peru downgrades El Nino forecast from 'strong' to 'moderate' What does WebberWeather think about that?



Looks like Peru needs new meteorologists...

Quoting 78. PensacolaDoug:

I'm out. There is a viciousness to you guys that I am not willing to match.
Who insulted you. Who attacked you.

I didn't find any posts that went after you, but I did find quite a few countering the points you made making it clear the points you made were wrong.

I guess not hearing what you said repeated back to you in an echo chamber designed to filter out any facts and figures that don't agree with what your gut tells you gave you a tummy ache.

No doubt you enjoy Fox News if only, because after telling you what to think, they make you feel good by repeatedly confirming that what you think is the truth and you are too smart to be fooled like those who accept the science.
Quoting 46. PensacolaDoug:



I'd like to see any of you guys debate him. He is brilliant.

.[38][39



Well, ha ha. Dunning-Kruger to a power.
Debate!
Quoting 61. Misanthroptimist:


I would love the opportunity. I would absolutely destroy him --and I'm not "cum-anything" or a climate scientist or brilliant. However, I'm reasonably familiar with the science and utterly familiar with the tricks he'd use, both his rhetorical tricks and data manipulations. I'm also a much better public speaker than Cruz and I'm extremely unlikely to be intimidated.

He wouldn't last five minutes...and that's allowing three-and-a-half for his Gish gallop. lol

I expect that there are at least a dozen others who blog here that could do as well or better than me, too.

Ted Cruz. What a joke. LOL!

A real Man here, cheers :)
Where were all these winter coming people 3 days ago when the GFS starred hinting at an extreme E.Siberia Low and a repeat of last November?
Eating the endless never ending warmth train that was going to bring May and June to all of N. America by the 3rd and 4th weeks of December.
Of course those GFS models had south surface winds on the North side of surface lows which has failed each time it's forecasted it,yet we have NWS offices and others repeatedly making those same mistakes over and over.
Aye aye aye aye...
Quoting 140. PensacolaDoug:

The point I made is TC is a smart guy. No one "countered that saying I'm wrong" so your mistaken there. Also Nea called me a troll. So I was attacked and you're wrong on that point as well. Next time try reading the posts and practice some reading comprehension. It would behoove you.

Reading comprehension - Nea referred to " "trollish behaviour" " indeed including quotes. He did not call you a troll.
Also, Ted Cruz' nonsense came to be attacked - are you Ted Cruz?
COP21: US joins 'high ambition coalition' for climate deal
By Matt McGrath Environment correspondent, BBC News, Paris, 2 hours ago
The United States has joined with the EU and a range of other countries at COP21 in an effort to secure a final agreement.
The so called "high ambition coalition" now comprises well over 100 countries from the rich and developing world.
As well as the US, Norway, Mexico and Colombia have offered their support to the alliance.
Delegates worked through the night on a draft text of the agreement with a further version likely on Thursday.
On Tuesday the European Union joined with 79 countries from Africa, the Caribbean and the Pacific to push for an "ambitious, durable and legally binding" deal with a strong review every five years.
On Wednesday, the US joined the grouping, which, although it will not be a formal negotiating block, has set out a common position on what the Paris agreement must achieve. ...
People told to stay indoors as Cumbrian village floods for second time
Situation in Glenridding described as ‘extremely dangerous’ as local MP and Lib Dem leader Tim Farron says ministers must learn lessons from disaster
The Guardian, Jessica Elgot, Thursday 10 December 2015 08.48 GMT. With video
Police have urged people to stay indoors after a Cumbrian village was flooded for the second time in the space of a few days. The Lib Dem leader, Tim Farron, a local MP, said the government must learn lessons that flooding is likely to be more frequent.
Fast-flowing water ran through the village of Glenridding on Wednesday night after yet more heavy rainfall, which authorities fear may endanger lives. In a statement early on Thursday morning, Cumbria police said the situation after Storm Desmond was “extremely dangerous”, though they said the water was now starting to recede. ...
149. beell
For the weather geek, the College of DuPage web site has recently upgraded their presentation of point-forecast soundings for the GFS, NAM, and RAP. Changes includes a side-by-side display that includes both the skew-t and hodograph along with a host of severe storm parameters across the bottom.

Select your model of choice and forecast plot and step through the frames to the forecast hour of interest followed by a left-click on your area of interest. A very nice Christmas present.

A sample below.

Quoting 63. schwankmoe:



because she isn't lying about the climate. this isn't a generic political blog, doug.
How do you know that, because she says so.
Quoting 116. BaltimoreBrian:

Building Greener Ships, to Keep the Sea From Rising


What a concept, wind powered ships.
Quoting 66. KEEPEROFTHEGATE:



I was thinking a seasons worth of snow in two weeks for the entire eastern half of north America from o lets say southern james bay to nw fla for the warm up
then a 2000 plus nader count for the late winter early spring tornado alley rodeo
followed by a intense to extreme cane season main course
by then break time till we get too do it again 17/18
Very possible Keeper, maybe a few more Hurricanes though, warm AMO, and a La Nina come middle to late summer.
Quoting 150. NativeSun:

How do you know that, because she says so.
You really need to follow the news. She admitted during the recent hearings to telling her staff and the Benghazi attacks were terrorism while misleading the American public that they were the result of a youtube video.

Cold blast coming around Christmas according to the 0Z GFS! I hope it right!
Quoting 94. Grothar:



Are you kidding me??? For the past week I've been scratching my head in 8 languages. None of the answers makes sense. I'll be back when the dust settles.
The way it's going, that may be a while, thank god for a sunny day down here, and a good day for the boat.
Quoting 33. KEEPEROFTHEGATE:

5 28 pm and its 51.3 degrees on dec 9 2015 here in Toronto Ontario


Departures from normal have not been nearly as extreme in the middle atlantic. But the next five days will be much more exceptional here.

The tomato plant on my outside exposed porch still has blossoms and fruit and looks healthy (but growing very very slowly). Citrus is still outside but I often don't have to bring it in till well into December; hardened trees will tolerate -5C and fruits will tolerate -2C.
Quoting 119. Gearsts:


Sure was warm while it lasted, now who is going to be our Nina champion?
Quoting 156. NativeSun:

Sure was warm while it lasted, now who is going to be our Nina champion?

The strongest Niña in the existing record.
Quoting 150. NativeSun:

How do you know that, because she says so.


We all know what side of AGW you come down on. The propaganda side, the Ted Cruz side, the side that embraces a lie in order to serve their super pact masters, the side that has no use for truth, and the side that couldn't care less whom these decisions affect now and in the future. And you snidely embrace all this with no qualms. I don't think the truth escapes you for one second. I just believe you care that little for it in regards to AGW.
Quoting 151. JohnLonergan:



What a concept, wind powered ships.

Daymn, what will they think of next?
Quoting 140. PensacolaDoug:

The point I made is TC is a smart guy. No one "countered that saying I'm wrong" so your mistaken there. Also Nea called me a troll as did schwank. So I was attacked and you're wrong on that point as well. Next time try reading the posts and practice some reading comprehension. It would behoove you. I defended TC and was ganged up on. It really is that simple. Fortunately I'm thick-skinned. I just consider the sources and all is well with the world.
Quoting 140. PensacolaDoug:

The point I made is TC is a smart guy. No one "countered that saying I'm wrong" so your mistaken there. Also Nea called me a troll as did schwank. So I was attacked and you're wrong on that point as well. Next time try reading the posts and practice some reading comprehension. It would behoove you. I defended TC and was ganged up on. It really is that simple. Fortunately I'm thick-skinned. I just consider the sources and all is well with the world.

No one who has contempt for the expertise of others, no one who mocks and casts aspersions on the work of dedicated professionals is smart, not in the least.
Good Morning Folks. My usual am Conus jet stream post with the WV loops; the Polar Jet, whether in the Winter or Summer, is the primary "driver" of weather in the Northern Hemisphere, along with mid-latitude low pressure systems, with all the weather systems moving across the Hemisphere from West to East (with the exception of tropical lows which move from East to West before the turn to the poles)................Just Sayin. 





Just because a canidate believes in GW doesn't mean they'll automatically get my vote.That is the vibe I'm getting here on this blog and although my comment will be flagged into oblivion and removed I just felt the need to speak up.Over and out.
Here is the skinny on the TC hearings (when juxtaposed against the science):

http://news.sciencemag.org/climate/2015/12/bully- pulpit-ted-cruz-offers-his-take-climate-change

At the end of the first hearing he’s chaired on climate change, Senator Ted Cruz (R–TX) laid out a set of facts intended to disprove the claims of those he calls “global warming alarmists.” But the bits of information that Cruz presented yesterday are either irrelevant to, or at odds with, what is actually happening to Earth’s climate.

Cruz believes that carbon dioxide (CO2) “is good for plant life,” that the planet “is greener right now” than in the past, and that “for significant periods in history, prior to the industrial revolution, there has been markedly more CO2 in our atmosphere that could not have come from the burning of fossil fuels.” He also believes that “for the past 18 years … there has been no significant warming whatsoever” and that the current computer models used to understand global climate trends “are profoundly wrong … and inconsistent with the evidence and the data.”

At the same time, Cruz did not acknowledge that carbon emissions from fossil fuel burning have more than quadrupled since the 1950s and that the amount of C02 in the atmosphere has climbed by one-third, to nearly 400 parts per million, over that period. Asked byScienceInsider whether he agrees that such data are correct, Cruz declined to comment.

Quoting 163. washingtonian115:

Just because a canidate believes in GW doesn't mean they'll automatically get my vote.That is the vibe I'm getting here on this blog and although my comment will be flagged into oblivion and removed I just felt the need to speak up.Over and out.

Hopefully you are getting the vibe that reality matters more than the make believe worlds of ideologues.
Quoting 163. washingtonian115:

Just because a canidate believes in GW doesn't mean they'll automatically get my vote.That is the vibe I'm getting here on this blog and although my comment will be flagged into oblivion and removed I just felt the need to speak up.Over and out.


I agree. But if a candidate doesn't believe in global warming he/she is automatically ruled out for being ignorant or deceitful.
167. Inyo
Not enjoying this warm December in Vermont especially while thinking about Climate Change. I know extremes will continue including cold winters like last winter, and I know that this particular weather event may not be directly linked to climate change, etc etc. but it still makes me sad. Heck it would make me sad anyway. I like winter and 'warm' Decembers in Vermont mean mud, 40 degrees and overcast, not 65 degrees and sunshine. For sure we are burning less (almost carbon neutral) wood than last year so that is something
George Pataki is one of my favorite Candidates.. too bad he's not doing too good AT ALL in the polls :\

It's a shame. His views are the closest to mine. Moderate/Centrist.
Quoting 167. Inyo:

Not enjoying this warm December in Vermont especially while thinking about Climate Change. I know extremes will continue including cold winters like last winter, and I know that this particular weather event may not be directly linked to climate change, etc etc. but it still makes me sad. Heck it would make me sad anyway. I like winter and 'warm' Decembers in Vermont mean mud, 40 degrees and overcast, not 65 degrees and sunshine. For sure we are burning less (almost carbon neutral) wood than last year so that is something
Vermont, small as it is in area and population, has been a leader in the effort to reduce emissions and clean up the environment, and to me it is sad that the rest of the country can't see the successes in Vermont and emulate them. Thanks to Vermont, and a few other localities, the way has been shown -- now to get the rest of the country, and the world, to follow it!
Long range GFS showing a healthy parade of storms over the Eastern CONUS, in and around Christmas week.
Quoting 156. NativeSun:

Sure was warm while it lasted, now who is going to be our Nina champion?
I will try my best.
173. MahFL
Wow I just saw two US Navy Poseidon P8 planes flying in close formation at low level, right over my house. That's basically two Boeing 737's flying in formation. Sadly I could not get my camera app loaded quickly enough.

P8 stock pic :


Fun reading for a mild Thursday morning... the Gulf is mostly cloudy right now with a few patches of blue sky showing through looks like we'll have the AC running the next few afternoons as we are forecast into the upper 70's.. reminds me of Decembers back in SoCal...
ood morning boys and girls.....while as a whole the weather may be mild for december here in el paso we're downright warm.....average temperatures this time of year is 57 and today we are expecting a high of 71 and tomorrow 73....a chance to break some records.....
176. MahFL
The P8's just flew over again in formation.
Quoting 166. sonofagunn:



I agree. But if a candidate doesn't believe in global warming he/she is automatically ruled out for being ignorant or deceitful.


This is the exact standard that I'm holding for this years election. For me it is my greatest concern for society since it's effects fingers downs into so many other economical & environmental variables. Supporting Human Induced Climate Change only makes you applicable to me for possibly voting for you, anyone that does not is immediately discarded in my book and rightfully so.

Quoting 163. washingtonian115:

Just because a canidate believes in GW doesn't mean they'll automatically get my vote.That is the vibe I'm getting here on this blog and although my comment will be flagged into oblivion and removed I just felt the need to speak up.Over and out.


It should not be flagged. To me there is a list of 3 or 4 Must's that candidate must support. GW is just one of those. If any of the other top 3 or 4 values are contradicted then I toss them out just the same as well.
Quoting 173. MahFL:

Wow I just saw two US Navy Poseidon P8 planes flying in close formation at low level, right over my house. That's basically two Boeing 737's flying in formation. Sadly I could not get my camera app loaded quickly enough.

P8 stock pic :



Quoting 176. MahFL:

The P8's just flew over again in formation.


Hmm they looking for you they are watching you lol what the hell did you do now to get navy recon on you :p
Phoenix rising: Japan's spacecraft beams back photos of Venus

The first photos received from the spacecraft are ultraviolet images taken at the very beginning of Akatsuki's orbit.

Link
Wow, the lack of snow cover extends all the way to Hudson Bay.
Islanders in Chesapeake Bay Face Exile From Rising Seas

RICHMOND, Va. — Islanders in the middle of the Chesapeake Bay could be among the first "climate change refugees" in the continental United States as rising seas claim their historic fishing village, a report released Thursday concludes.
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The research published in the journal Scientific Reports says residents of steadily shrinking Tangier Island will have to abandon their fishing community in approximately 50 years.


Link
Quoting 162. weathermanwannabe:




Let it snow, let it snow , let it snow....
Posted 5 hours ago Sierra Nevada, CA forecast
Winter Storm Warning remains in effect from 7 AM this morning to 7 AM PST Friday.

A Winter Storm Warning remains in effect from 7 AM this morning to 7 AM PST Friday.

Timing: snow will move into Mono County this morning, with heavy snowfall by midday and continuing through this afternoon. Snow will decrease briefly this evening, with bands of snow and snow showers developing late tonight through Friday morning.
Snow accumulations: 1 to 2 feet along the Sierra Crest, with 6 to 12 inches along and west of Highway 395, including June lakes and Mammoth Lakes. 3 to 6 inches east of Highway 395.
Winds: southwest 30 to 45 mph with gusts up to 70 mph. Ridge gusts up to 130 mph. Strongest winds expected through mid afternoon. Damage to trees is possible.
Snow levels: 8500 to 9000 feet, then falling quickly below 6000 feet by mid afternoon.
Impacts: snow and blowing snow with Whiteout conditions and icy roads. Snowfall rates up to 3 inches per hour will exceed plowing capabilities at times today. This includes highways 203 and 395. Hazardous conditions for back country activities.
Quoting 181. ColoradoBob1:

Islanders in Chesapeake Bay Face Exile From Rising Seas

RICHMOND, Va. %u2014 Islanders in the middle of the Chesapeake Bay could be among the first "climate change refugees" in the continental United States as rising seas claim their historic fishing village, a report released Thursday concludes.
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The research published in the journal Scientific Reports says residents of steadily shrinking Tangier Island will have to abandon their fishing community in approximately 50 years.


Link


I would also be very interested to know what the rate of subsidence is in that area.

"Low-lying Tangier is particularly susceptible to climate change and rising seas and the sinking of the bay called subsidence.
Climate-change scientists have long predicted a limited future for Tangier Island, in part because the sinking land mass of the bay area atop rising seas.
Quoting 177. ILwthrfan:



This is the exact standard that I'm holding for this years election. For me it is my greatest concern for society since it's effects fingers downs into so many other economical & environmental variables. Supporting Human Induced Climate Change only makes you applicable to me for possibly voting for you, anyone that does not is immediately discarded in my book and rightfully so.



It should not be flagged. To me there is a list of 3 or 4 Must's that candidate must support. GW is just one of those. If any of the other top 3 or 4 values are contradicted then I toss them out just the same as well.


For me it's not whether they support AGW per se (though it's obviously an important issue), but more how their position on AGW reflects their overall thinking. The denier candidates are politicians, running for the nation's highest office, who reject the scientific consensus on a global problem because they don't like the consequences. That mindset is simply a nonstarter.
Imagine this: Neither Trump nor Sanders get their party's nomination and both run as independents. None of the four candidates get the required 270 electoral votes so the House then votes on the top three Presidential candidates with each state's deligation getting one vote. This would tie things up for a very long time as most states Representatives are not all from the same party. Meanwhile, the Senate elects the Vice President from the top two with each Senator getting one vote. Assuming the Republican candidate (which is by no means a given) is in the top two, that person becomes Vice President AND becomes acting President on Inauguration Day as the House will no doubt still be a mess. My point being, when it comes to how to solve our climate issues, maybe things aren't as bad as they could be...

(edited: Senate elects from the top 2 Vice Presidential candidates, Typo in the original, fixed)
Quoting 185. Sfloridacat5:



I would also be very interested to know what the rate of subsidence is in that area.

"Low-lying Tangier is particularly susceptible to climate change and rising seas and the sinking of the bay called subsidence.
Climate-change scientists have long predicted a limited future for Tangier Island, in part because the sinking land mass of the bay area atop rising seas.


A few mm a year, constant since 1900 according to US Army Corps of Engineers

Link
Very fresh news:

Germany just fired up a monster machine that could revolutionise the way we use energy
Business Insider Australia
On Thursday, Dec. 10, the Max Planck Institute for Plasma Physics fired up a monster machine that they hope will change the world.
The machine is called the Wendelstein 7-X, or W7-X for short. It’s a type of nuclear fusion machine called a stellarator, and is the largest most sophisticated of its kind.
For more than 60 years, scientists have dreamed of a clean, inexhaustible energy source in the form of nuclear fusion.
And they’re still dreaming.
But thanks to the efforts of the Max Planck Institute for Plasma Physics, experts hope that might soon change. Last year, after 1.1 million construction hours, the institute completed construction of their $1.1 billion W7-X.
And on Thursday, they tweeted out a beautiful image of the machine’s first plasma (shown below) — a gas where all the electrons have been stripped from their atoms, which is a task that requires tremendous amounts of energy.



MPI für Plasmaphysik ‎@PlasmaphysikIPP
Das erste Plasma!!! / The first plasma!!! (js) #W7X
2:03 PM - 10 Dec 2015
Quoting 185. Sfloridacat5:



I would also be very interested to know what the rate of subsidence is in that area.

"Low-lying Tangier is particularly susceptible to climate change and rising seas and the sinking of the bay called subsidence.
Climate-change scientists have long predicted a limited future for Tangier Island, in part because the sinking land mass of the bay area atop rising seas.


Actually did a report on this once. It's called a forebulge collapse. During the last ice age the mid Atlantic states from NC to NJ were forced upward to counterbalance the weight of the ice sheet to their north. Today the land is slowly sinking back to its original position, exacerbated by sea level rise.


The preservation of human rights is integral to combating climate change


On Dec. 10, 1948 representatives from around the world met in Paris to sign the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights in the aftermath of World War II. Sixty-seven years later, representatives from around the world are meeting there again to negotiate another monumental agreement: an international deal on climate change.
It may not seem like these global events are related but, in fact, climate change is one of the greatest human-rights challenges of our time.

The signers of the Universal Declaration agreed that all people have the right to basic sustenance, protection, and freedom; including rights to food, health, shelter, and self-determination.
From the devastation caused by Typhoon Haiyan in the Philippines, to the severe drought exacerbating the refugee crisis in Syria, extreme weather continues to result in severe, and often irreversible, social and economic harm to millions of people around the world. From hunger to homelessness, forced displacement, and loss of livelihoods, human rights are in jeopardy.

And so, in the spirit of what their predecessors achieved 67 years ago, negotiators at the climate talks in Paris must not only deliver a global deal that curbs climate change, but also one that upholds human rights.

In its recent report, “Extreme Carbon Inequality,” Oxfam looks at consumption emissions of rich and poor citizens in different countries based on data from the World Bank, Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD), and the Centre for Global Development climate-change vulnerability index. We estimate that the world’s richest 10% produce half of carbon emissions, while the poorest 3.5 billion account for just a tenth.

The poorest are often the most vulnerable and least prepared to cope with the effects of climate change, regardless of nationality. Droughts, floods, and superstorms have hit both rich and poor countries alike, from here in the United States, to the Philippines and the South Pacific island-nation of Tuvalu. Women, especially those in rural communities, are most at risk, since they often depend on agriculture and have few other opportunities to make a living.

Effectively addressing climate change means upholding existing principles of human rights in our efforts to implement climate action, especially by protection of human rights of indigenous peoples, women and girls, people with disabilities, and migrants and refugees. That means that as actions are taken to address climate change, they must not be made at the expense of peoples and communities or their rights. For example, the human rights of indigenous communities must not be disregarded when investing in clean energy projects, such as wind and solar.

And that the lack of rights for women farmers is taken into account when responding to food crises in communities where women traditionally lack access to rights, information,and credit. Helping women and other vulnerable groups to claim their rights is essential to climate justice.

A human rights-based approach is not only the moral thing to do, but it would also lead to more sustainable and effective results in climate action. That’s because a human rights perspective offers guidance for addressing climate change by providing a holistic picture of the connections between the economic, social, cultural, and political dimensions of the problem.

We are at a unique moment in history where we have the opportunity to ensure millions of people’s basic rights are protected in the future. Human rights language is in the draft agreement now, and it must stay there.
The negotiators know that our planet cannot wait. They must achieve a strong and substantive agreement that addresses climate change while also offering human rights protections for vulnerable and marginalized peoples here at home and around the world.

Including human rights language in the final agreement will strengthen the stated objectives by providing concrete measures to protect people from the harms of climate change.
We welcome your comments at ideas@qz.com
Quoting 135. Jedkins01:
Looks like Peru needs new meteorologists...
If you actually read the article that Brian linked to you will see that they are talking about in the months to come. So the headline meslead you. That's what you get by reading only headlines.
Quoting 171. Drakoen:

Long range GFS showing a healthy parade of storms over the Eastern CONUS, in and around Christmas week.


Warm storms too... Chance of White Christmas for the Northeast USA steadily decreasing for this year. More like a La Nina pattern to me, where the storms cut north of Florida and leave us dry. This next storm was originally supposed to form further storm and bring lots of rain and storms for Florida, now we will be lucky to get a drop here in the peninsula.
Now better informations come up in English than in my post #190. I'm still in office, and WU doesn't work properly for me in here ..

Star quality: sparking up the stellarator
10 December 2015
Read more: http://www.theengineer.co.uk/energy/star-quality-s parking-up-the-stellarator/1021552.article#ixzz3tw Gbg5Ru

German physicists see landmark in nuclear fusion quest
PhysOrg, December 10, 2015
Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2015-12-german-physicists-lan dmark-nuclear-fusion.html#jCp
196. vis0

Quoting 101. TropicalAnalystwx13:


My political views changed quite a bit when I stopped listening to what my parents believed and began doing my own research. :)

They think my views are crazy, I think their views are insane--we just don't talk about politics in the house haha.
reply at my zilly nutty crazy what da heck blog pg5 cmmt#225

If you dare read some of the weird comments on that zilly blog, all i'm doing is being a citizen of the USofA as to me now posting now and then of a specific crime, i've tolf gov't officials for over 25 yrs and no one listened.
Remember the recent DAILY NEWS headline PARAPHRASING::
They came for those, i did nothing,
they came for some i knew, i did nothing
then they came for me...

i see something suspicious i act, not cause i care only for me but for all...even for those that some might call my enemies.
Good Morning Class! From Americas Left Coast. We have the tail end of the current Nor Cal storm scheduled to arrive in a weakened state tonight and tomorrow. Another little storm forecast for Sun-Mon time frame. Not a whole lot of rain but will take what we can get. Hoping they get some good snow from this in the Sierras.

Quoting 176. MahFL:

The P8's just flew over again in formation.

I have a couple 8X10 photos buried in a box of a SQUADRON of P-3 Charlies flying in formation over Jacksonville FL, taken mid 80's. They were returning from overseas deployment if I remember correctly. Dangerous maneuver for so many aircraft. In the mid 80's their tails sported painted characters/symbols of their squadrons.
Quoting 194. reedzone:



Warm storms too... Chance of White Christmas for the Northeast USA steadily decreasing for this year. More like a La Nina pattern to me, where the storms cut north of Florida and leave us dry. This next storm was originally supposed to form further storm and bring lots of rain and storms for Florida, now we will be lucky to get a drop here in the peninsula.


Pattern looks very much like El-Nino for the SE US next week. Instead of all the heavy rain being confined to S FL it does appear Its C & N FL's turn now. Infact pattern looks down right stormy come mid next week and beyond. Now can the models hold this solution thru the weekend and not drop like what the models did last weekend.

12Z Canadian
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Common sense, integrity, resolve. truth-seeker. able to speak 'off the cuff' without sounding like a person who needs speech writers.. Beliefs are not that important to me at this point.. if a candidate demonstrates the aforementioned characteristics I think I'm good to go. AGW Data will speak for itself and bs will be seen for what it is... Polleyanna, yeah maybe.. but I am an optimist :)
Quoting 198. marynell:


I have a couple 8X10 photos buried in a box of a SQUADRON of P-3 Charlies flying in formation over Jacksonville FL, taken mid 80's. They were returning from overseas deployment if I remember correctly. Dangerous maneuver for so many aircraft. In the mid 80's their tails sported painted characters/symbols of their squadrons.


Flying form in the mighty P-3 wasn't all that scary if you practiced, and it's fun! It looks a lot scarier from the ground than in the plane. Now a P-3 in the break - 300 kts and 60 degrees of bank - that's fun! You've probably seem that at Jax.
If any lay person uses "Wiki" to try to get a quick overview on a subject (in this case carbon dioxide) in a less complex manner, here is a sample of what they would find from the current entry:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide


Carbon dioxide (chemical formula CO2) is a colorless, odorless gas vital to life on Earth. This naturally occurringchemical compound is composed of a carbon atom covalently double bonded to two oxygen atoms. Carbon dioxide exists in the Earth's atmosphere as a trace gas at a concentration of about 0.04 percent (400 ppm) by volume.[3]Natural sources include volcanoes, hot springs and geysers and it is freed from carbonate rocks by dissolution in water and acids. Since carbon dioxide is soluble in water, it occurs naturally in groundwater, rivers and lakes, in ice caps andglaciers and in seawater. It is present in deposits of petroleum and natural gas.[4]

Atmospheric carbon dioxide is the primary source of carbon in life on Earth and its concentration in Earth's pre-industrial atmosphere since late in the Precambrian was regulated by photosynthetic organisms and geological phenomena. As part of the carbon cycle, plants, algae, and cyanobacteria use light energy to photosynthesizecarbohydrate from carbon dioxide and water, with oxygen produced as a waste product.[5] Carbon dioxide is produced by plants during respiration.[6]


Carbon dioxide (CO2) is a product of respiration of all aerobic organisms. It is returned to water via the gills of fish and to the air via the lungs of air-breathing land animals, including humans. Carbon dioxide is produced during the processes of decay of organic materials and the fermentation of sugars in bread, beer and winemaking. It is produced by combustion of wood, carbohydrates and fossil fuels such as coal, peat, petroleum and natural gas.

Carbon dioxide is an important greenhouse gas. Burning of carbon-based fuels since the industrial revolution has rapidly increased its concentration in the atmosphere, leading to global warming. It is also a major cause of ocean acidification since it dissolves in water to form carbonic acid.[7]
Quoting 151. JohnLonergan:



What a concept, wind powered ships.

The way things are going, somebody will be suggesting oars next?
Quoting 203. FarmerKarl:



Flying form in the mighty P-3 wasn't all that scary if you practiced, and it's fun! It looks a lot scarier from the ground than in the plane. Now a P-3 in the break - 300 kts and 60 degrees of bank - that's fun! You've probably seem that at Jax.

We live in Texas now but still see the P-3's in service for Customs practicing touch and go's, circling. Just doesn't seem like home unless I can hear the signature droning sound of a P-3 in flight.
El Nino El Nino, make yourself known to Soo Cal.........I know it is a bit early for you to assert yourself.......but please do not forget us this winter! Thank You!
Quoting 101. TropicalAnalystwx13:


My political views changed quite a bit when I stopped listening to what my parents believed and began doing my own research. :)


I'm proud of you, Cody. Seriously. :)
Quoting 188. canyonboy:



A few mm a year, constant since 1900 according to US Army Corps of Engineers

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Nice, interesting reading about the "Chesapeake Bay Impact Crater."
Quoting 66. KEEPEROFTHEGATE:



I was thinking a seasons worth of snow in two weeks for the entire eastern half of north America from o lets say southern james bay to nw fla for the warm up
then a 2000 plus nader count for the late winter early spring tornado alley rodeo
followed by a intense to extreme cane season main course
by then break time till we get too do it again 17/18


For DC Metro that season's worth could come in a night (or day) if a typically wet Nino system is (atypically) accompanied by cold air. Potential of a lot of little nusiance snows is very low here this winter.. potential for little or none is significant but potential for a huge dump exists also. We always have that chance here but chance is higher this year.
Quoting 149. beell:

For the weather geek, the College of DuPage web site has recently upgraded their presentation of point-forecast soundings for the GFS, NAM, and RAP. Changes includes a side-by-side display that includes both the skew-t and hodograph along with a host of severe storm parameters across the bottom.

Select your model of choice and forecast plot and step through the frames to the forecast hour of interest followed by a left-click on your area of interest. A very nice Christmas present.

A sample below.


Do you use the left click to get to the soundings? I've tried everywhere from Seattle to Key West. After about two minutes of loading, I get a blank display area with the message "Unable to generate sounding for point request.". I don't know if I'm doing something wrong or if the soundings just aren't working. This could come in handy for the weather on Sunday if it works.
So far I'm off to a great start for the day. I left my new home in Monroe WA to go to Redmond for work. It's normally a 30 minute drive. After 2.5 hours, and going only 9 miles I came back home. No music class for the little ones this morning. I'll try again this afternoon using the main highways, hopefully there won't be any more car accidents. The good news is I have power, and the rivers are starting to recede. The bad news? The landslides are getting worse, and more storms are on the way.

Overall, Seattle city proper faired pretty well. Most flooding was caused by clogged drains, and were quickly delt with. All the power outages for Seattle City Lights are gone (and yes, there were outages in city proper). However, Puget Sound Energy still has scattered outages affecting a few hundred locations.

Landslide damages home in Burien (south of Seattle)

Washington Governor Declares State of Emergency

Portland, however, has not been handling the rain nearly as well. Check out some of these stories!

Why Portland's Drainage System Failed

I-5 is closed due to landslide

Public Health Advisory - Don't go near the Clackamas river!
Quoting 101. TropicalAnalystwx13:


My political views changed quite a bit when I stopped listening to what my parents believed and began doing my own research. :)

They think my views are crazy, I think their views are insane--we just don't talk about politics in the house haha.

At the age of 13, I realised that my parents although they had a reasonable standing in the material world, had no real idea what was or is going on.
At the age of 65 I recently tried to reason with my mother, that even though she was 92 years of age, it does not count much in the world of material physics and observational awareness to be "simply," old!
The overriding factor for the future education and atitudal, (new Word!) development of humanity is to look at the world as a gift in our lives and that e have to cherish and develop it to the point where we see ourselves as one with the world, (let aloe the universe!)
The future of humanity is in our hands but if we continue to consume then there will be nothing left for our decedents to inherit, "except the ashes from fire we are burning!"
Hence although I agree that things are going wrong, at the same time I also have to be aware that there is very little left that can be done to change the course of events.
Its like a small child has lit a fuse on a big explosive which the small child has no idea exists! We can not be blamed for being aware and observant but we can also not be blamed for being physically incapable of doing much about what is going on in the world.
Back to the beginning, I could see where my parents made errors and I could see where they got things right but I could not in either case influence what they did.
Quoting 212. georgevandenberghe:



For DC Metro that season's worth could come in a night (or day) if a typically wet Nino system is (atypically) accompanied by cold air. Potential of a lot of little nusiance snows is very low here this winter.. potential for little or none is significant but potential for a huge dump exists also. We always have that chance here but chance is higher this year.

It's hard to look at snow for Alabama in relation to ENSO since what happens in north Alabama can have no relation to what happens in south Alabama. However, using Birmingham as the center point, the biggest snowstorm in recorded history occured in January, 1993, when we had already gone to a weak neutral/La Nina. The next three biggest snows are all before 1950, when I don't have ENSO records. The 1963-64 season produced the fifth biggest snows, and we had a moderate El Nino then. Of the remaining five of the top ten, three were before 1950. Number 7 was 86-87, when we were in the middle of a moderate El Nino trending to strong. Number 8 was in 81-82, when we were in the middle of a weak La Nina. I guess the bottom line is ENSO doesn't have a strong relationship to at least getting record snows down here. What it really takes is a low off the Gulf with enough moisture meeting a cold airmass coming down to the south. The 2014 ice/snowstorm here was the result of that kind of setup. Since then, we've had cold, and we've had Gulf air, but not at the same time.
Remember this one the next time the "War on Coal" comes up, or the "Greedy Grant Writing Climate Scientists" gets trotted out.

Lawmakers Call Out Coal Industry For Falsifying Job Numbers And Hiding Tax Data

The criticism peaked at two congressional hearings Tuesday, the first of which featured former Montana Director of Revenue Dan Bucks, who has long criticized the coal industry for gaming the system to avoid royalties owed to taxpayers and shielding its finances from the public.

“Coal companies have the true facts within their own records and it’s all secret, and secret to the American people,” Bucks said in response to a question from Representative Matt Cartwright (D-PA) on transparency and available data from the industry.

Cartwright also said that coal operators are selling to subsidiary companies in what he described as a “sweetheart deal.”


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Quoting 199. StormTrackerScott:



Pattern looks very much like El-Nino for the SE US next week. Instead of all the heavy rain being confined to S FL it does appear Its C & N FL's turn now. Infact pattern looks down right stormy come mid next week and beyond. Now can the models hold this solution thru the weekend and not drop like what the models did last weekend.

12Z Canadian


Your wording seems to imply that the reason the weather didn't turn out the way it was initially forecast is because the models were not consistent, as if the models somehow influence the weather. I'm not sure it actually works that way. Maybe the reason the weather didn't turn out the way it was initially forecast is that the initial models were wrong.
Very wet lately over extreme S.E. Florida. Radar estimates as high as 25" of rain in the upper Keys over the past 30 days.

Quoting 215. Seattleite:

So far I'm off to a great start for the day. I left my new home in Monroe WA to go to Redmond for work. It's normally a 30 minute drive. After 2.5 hours, and going only 9 miles I came back home. No music class for the little ones this morning. I'll try again this afternoon using the main highways, hopefully there won't be any more car accidents. The good news is I have power, and the rivers are starting to recede. The bad news? The landslides are getting worse, and more storms are on the way.

Overall, Seattle city proper faired pretty well. Most flooding was caused by clogged drains, and were quickly delt with. All the power outages for Seattle City Lights are gone (and yes, there were outages in city proper). However, Puget Sound Energy still has scattered outages affecting a few hundred locations.

Landslide damages home in Burien (south of Seattle)

Washington Governor Declares State of Emergency

Portland, however, has not been handling the rain nearly as well. Check out some of these stories!

Why Portland's Drainage System Failed

I-5 is closed due to landslide

Public Health Advisory - Don't go near the Clackamas river!
I'm glad to hear you got power back. Those kinds of windy, rainy storms are really tough when it come to keeping the power on, even in Seattle. Out in the sticks, it's almost impossible.

The problem in Portland was the Big Pipe did its job too well. It funneled all the stormwater into a wastewater treatment plant that was barely able to keep up before the Big Pipe. Trying to treat all the wastewater and sewage while the plant is in the middle of record rains is just not possible without a massive expansion of the Columbia plant, and there's not room for further expansion. It's a laudable goal to prevent 100% of the combined storm outflow from reaching the rivers before treatment but, as we saw the past couple of days, the infrastructure isn't capable of that goal. There will have to be some kind of balance between Portland getting flooded every time there's another "100 year" rain or diverting some of the CSO flow into the rivers before that happens. Some of the CSO still got in the rivers untreated, so neither goal was reached this week.
Next time you see the poll numbers about anything in this country, remember this factiod -

Only 36 percent of Americans can name the three branches of government

Link

This is 15 months old , but I doubt it's really changed that much. In fact, given the rising tide of stupid, that number may have declined.
Quoting 223. sar2401:

I'm glad to hear you got power back. Those kinds of windy, rainy storms are really tough when it come to keeping the power on, even in Seattle. Out in the sticks, it's almost impossible.

The problem in Portland was the Big Pipe did its job too well. It funneled all the stormwater into a wastewater treatment plant that was barely able to keep up before the Big Pipe. Trying to treat all the wastewater and sewage while the plant is in the middle of record rains is just not possible without a massive expansion of the Columbia plant, and there's not room for further expansion. It's a laudable goal to prevent 100% of the combined storm outflow from reaching the rivers before treatment but, as we saw the past couple of days, the infrastructure isn't capable of that goal. There will have to be some kind of balance between Portland getting flooded every time there's another "100 year" rain or diverting some of the CSO flow into the rivers before that happens. Some of the CSO still got in the rivers untreated, so neither goal was reached this week.


The other seemingly obvious solution is to separate storm and sanitary sewers. Sadly this has yet to be done in Washington DC proper although in the suburbs they were built separated.
Quoting 224. ColoradoBob1:

Next time you see the poll numbers about anything in this country, remember this factiod -

Only 36 percent of Americans can name the three branches of government

Link

This is 15 months old , but I doubt it's really changed that much. In fact, given the rising tide of stupid, that number may have declined.


What about when reporters randomly ask people on the street to name the current vice president of the United States? That can be funny to watch. But in reality, it's really not funny. This can be related to CC/GW. I would like to see a reporter ask questions about CC/GW to people on the street. Their responses would most likely be eye opening.