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A new world record wind gust: 253 mph in Australia's Tropical Cyclone Olivia

By: Dr. Jeff Masters, 5:34 PM GMT on January 27, 2010

The 6,288-foot peak of New Hampshire's Mount Washington is a forbidding landscape of wind-swept barren rock, home to some of planet Earth's fiercest winds. As a 5-year old boy, I remember being blown over by a terrific gust of wind on the summit, and rolling out of control towards a dangerous drop-off before a fortuitously-placed rock saved me. Perusing the Guinness Book of World Records as a kid, three iconic world weather records always held a particular mystique and fascination for me: the incredible 136°F (57.8°C) at El Azizia, Libya in 1922, the -128.5°F (-89.2°C) at the "Pole of Cold" in Vostok, Antarctica in 1983, and the amazing 231 mph wind gust (103.3 m/s) recorded in 1934 on the summit of Mount Washington, New Hampshire. Well, the legendary winds of Mount Washington have to take second place now, next to the tropical waters of northwest Australia. The World Meteorological Organization (WMO) has announced that the new world wind speed record at the surface is a 253 mph (113.2 m/s) wind gust measured on Barrow Island, Australia. The gust occurred on April 10, 1996, during passage of the eyewall of Category 4 Tropical Cyclone Olivia.


Figure 1. Instruments coated with rime ice on the summit of Mt. Washington, New Hampshire. Image credit: Mike Theiss.

Tropical Cyclone Olivia
Tropical Cyclone Olivia was a Category 4 storm on the U.S. Saffir-Simpson scale, and generated sustained winds of 145 mph (1-minute average) as it crossed over Barrow Island off the northwest coast of Australia on April 10, 1996. Olivia had a central pressure of 927 mb and an eye 45 miles in diameter at the time, and generated waves 21 meters (69 feet) high offshore. According to Black et al. (1999), the eyewall likely had a tornado-scale mesovortex embedded in it that caused the extreme wind gust of 253 mph. The gust was measured at the standard measuring height of 10 meters above ground, on ground at an elevation of 64 meters (210 feet). A similar mesovortex was encountered by a Hurricane Hunter aircraft in Hurricane Hugo of 1989, and a mesovortex was also believed to be responsible for the 239 mph wind gust measured at 1400 meters by a dropsonde in Hurricane Isabel in 2003. For reference, 200 mph is the threshold for the strongest category of tornado, the EF-5, and any gusts of this strength are capable of causing catastrophic damage.


Figure 2. Visible satellite image of Tropical Cyclone Olivia a few hours before it crossed Barrow Island, Australia, setting a new world-record wind gust of 253 mph. Image credit: Japan Meteorological Agency.


Figure 3. Wind trace taken at Barrow Island, Australia during Tropical Cyclone Olivia. Image credit: Buchan, S.J., P.G. Black, and R.L. Cohen, 1999, "The Impact of Tropical Cyclone Olivia on Australia's Northwest Shelf", paper presented at the 1999 Offshore Technology Conference in Houston, Texas, 3-6 May, 1999.

Why did it take so long for the new record to be announced?
The instrument used to take the world record wind gust was funded by a private company, Chevron, and Chevron's data was not made available to forecasters at Australia's Bureau of Meteorology (BOM) during the storm. After the storm, the tropical cyclone experts at BOM were made aware of the data, but it was viewed as suspect, since the gusts were so extreme and the data was taken with equipment of unknown accuracy. Hence, the observations were not included in the post-storm report. Steve Buchan from RPS MetOcean believed in the accuracy of the observations, and coauthored a paper on the record gust, presented at the 1999 Offshore Technology Conference in Houston (Buchan et al., 1999). The data lay dormant until 2009, when Joe Courtney of the Australian Bureau of Meteorology was made aware of it. Courtney wrote up a report, coauthored with Steve Buchan, and presented this to the WMO extremes committee for ratification. The report has not been made public yet, and is awaiting approval by Chevron. The verified data will be released next month at a World Meteorological Organization meeting in Turkey, when the new world wind record will become official.

New Hampshire residents are not happy
Residents of New Hampshire are understandably not too happy about losing their cherished claim to fame. The current home page of the Mount Washington Observatory reads, "For once, the big news on Mount Washington isn't our extreme weather. Sadly, it's about how our extreme weather--our world record wind speed, to be exact--was outdone by that of a warm, tropical island".

Comparison with other wind records
Top wind in an Atlantic hurricane: 239 mph (107 m/s) at an altitude of 1400 meters, measured by dropsonde in Hurricane Isabel (2003).
Top surface wind in an Atlantic hurricane: 211 mph (94.4 m/s), Hurricane Gustav, Paso Real de San Diego meteorological station in the western Cuban province of Pinar del Rio, Cuba, on the afternoon of August 30, 2008.
Top wind in a tornado: 302 mph (135 m/s), measured via Doppler radar at an altitude of 100 meters (330 feet), in the Bridge Creek, Oklahoma tornado of May 3, 1999.
Top surface wind not associated with a tropical cyclone or tornado: 231 mph (103.3 m/s), April 12, 1934 on the summit of Mount Washington, New Hampshire.
Top wind in a typhoon: 191 mph (85.4 m/s) on Taiwanese Island of Lanyu, Super Typhoon Ryan, Sep 22, 1995; also on island of Miyakojima, Super Typhoon Cora, Sep 5, 1966.
Top surface wind not measured on a mountain or in a tropical cyclone: 207 mph (92.5 m/s) measured in Greenland at Thule Air Force Base on March 6, 1972.
Top wind measured in a U.S. hurricane: 186 mph (83.1 m/s) measured at Blue Hill Observatory, Massachusetts, during the 1938 New England Hurricane.

References
Buchan, S.J., P.G. Black, and R.L. Cohen, 1999, "The Impact of Tropical Cyclone Olivia on Australia's Northwest Shelf", paper presented at the 1999 Offshore Technology Conference in Houston, Texas, 3-6 May, 1999.

Black, P.G., Buchan, S.J., and R.L. Cohen, 1999, "The Tropical Cyclone Eyewall Mesovortex: A Physical Mechanism Explaining Extreme Peak Gust Occurrence in TC Olivia, 4 April 1996 on Barrow Island, Australia", paper presented at the 1999 Offshore Technology Conference in Houston, Texas, 3-6 May, 1999.

Jeff Masters

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Winter Temperatures and the Arctic Oscillation


If you live nearly anywhere in North America, Europe, or Asia, it’s no news that December 2009 and early January 2010 were cold. This image illustrates how cold December was compared to the average of temperatures recorded in December between 2000 and 2008. Blue points to colder than average land surface temperatures, while red indicates warmer temperatures. Much of the Northern Hemisphere experienced cold land surface temperatures, but the Arctic was exceptionally warm. This weather pattern is a tale-tell sign of the Arctic Oscillation.

The Arctic Oscillation is a climate pattern that influences winter weather in the Northern Hemisphere. It is defined by the pressure difference between air at mid-latitudes (around 45 degrees North, about the latitude of Montreal, Canada or Bordeaux, France) and air over the Arctic. A low-pressure air mass usually dominates the Arctic, and while higher pressure air sits over the mid-latitudes. This pressure difference generates winds that confine extremely cold air to the Arctic. Sometimes, the pressure systems weaken, decreasing the pressure difference between the Arctic and midlatitudes and allowing chilly Arctic air to slide south while warmer air creeps north. A weaker-than-normal Arctic Oscillation is said to be negative. When the pressure systems are strong, the Arctic Oscillation is positive.

Throughout December 2009, the North Atlantic Oscillation was strongly negative, said the National Weather Service. This image shows the impact of the negative Arctic Oscillation on land surface temperatures throughout the Northern Hemisphere as observed by the Moderate Resolution Imaging Spectroradiometer (MODIS) on NASA’s Terra satellite. Cold Arctic air chilled the land surface at midlatitudes, while Arctic land, such as Greenland and Alaska, was much warmer than usual.
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=42260
It looks like another storm is starting to form to the west-northwest of Nisha:

An interesting read. Kinda goes with the new study published in Nature correcting the CO2 feedback loop info :)

THE ACQUITTAL OF CARBON DIOXIDE
by Jeffrey A. Glassman, PhD
I screwed 495 a little up, if i edit it will display text errors (an error related to the edit function of this blog). So to read the full article please checkout the linked pdf.

Quoting Ossqss:
An interesting read. Kinda goes with the new study published in Nature correcting the CO2 feedback loop info :)

THE ACQUITTAL OF CARBON DIOXIDE
by Jeffrey A. Glassman, PhD

I'm sure you read the response from Gavin Schmidt aswell ;)
http://www.rocketscientistsjournal.com/2006/11/gavin_schmidt_on_the_acquittal.html
Quoting drg0dOwnCountry:

I'm sure you read the response from Gavin Schmidt aswell ;)
http://www.rocketscientistsjournal.com/2006/11/gavin_schmidt_on_the_acquittal.html


Sorry for the typo, LoL

Did you read the article you posted ?

CONCLUSION

Categorically, each of Gavin Schmidt's criticisms of the Acquittal of Carbon Dioxide missed its mark


Squall line


Speaking of our GOES satellite discussion, full details in a news release from late yesterday (I swear that those truly in the know are reading in here sometimes)...

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2010-01/nsfc-gpt012710.php

GOES-P proceeds toward launch

The latest Geostationary Operational Environmental Satellite, GOES-P is proceeding through more checks in preparation for its launch, which is no earlier than March 1.

The GOES-P spacecraft continues being processed at the Astrotech Facility in Titusville, Fla. The Imager, Sounder and Solar X-Ray Imager have completed cleaning and inspections. The optical port covers have been successfully installed. Those covers are one of the last mechanisms to be deployed once GOES-P gets into orbit.

GOES-P is the latest weather satellite developed by NASA to aid the nation's meteorologists and climate scientists. GOES satellites provide the familiar weather pictures seen on United States television newscasts every day. GOES provides nearly continuous imaging and sounding, which allows forecasters to better measure changes in atmospheric temperature and moisture distributions, which increase the accuracy of their forecasts. GOES environmental information is used for a host of applications, including weather monitoring and prediction models.


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Going up on this Delta IV:
The Portlight Auction House is OPEN!!!!!!!!
hey everyone..
Quoting NRAamy:
The Portlight Auction House is OPEN!!!!!!!!


I wonder if Portlight can get NASA to donate some of this stuff for auction? For real !


Wired Science News for Your Neurons --- NASA Garage Sale Includes Shuttles, Engines, Space Suits
By Jason Paur January 21, 2010
Raleigh up to 12"...we look to stay in rain :(
G'afternoon, all!!!
Is Paul Timmons around?
Quoting Floridano:
Is Paul Timmons around?


Nope
Quoting Floridano:
Is Paul Timmons around?


You can probably reach him via his cell phone.
Texas is currently getting rained on, severe T Storms just west of Ft Worth-Dallas, TX:
Quoting Bordonaro:
Texas is currently getting rained on, severe T Storms just west of Ft Worth-Dallas, TX:


Yes texas is as of now.. hope u stay safe!
Quoting FLPandhandleJG:


Yes texas is as of now.. hope u stay safe!

SmileyCentral.com

Severe Thunderstorm Watch has just been put into affect for the Dallas-Ft Worth, TX Metroplex
Quoting CaneWarning:


You can probably reach him via his cell phone.


Give it to me, plz?
Howdy, Folks...
Quoting Floridano:


Give it to me, plz?


I don't have it.
Interesting. (Published yesterday.)

A 10 percent drop in water vapor ten miles above Earth's surface has had a big impact on global warming, say researchers in a study published online January 28 in the journal Science. The findings might help explain why global surface temperatures have not risen as fast in the last ten years as they did in the 1980s and 1990s.

---------------

"Current climate models do a remarkable job on water vapor near the surface. But this is different %u2014 it's a thin wedge of the upper atmosphere that packs a wallop from one decade to the next in a way we didn't expect," says Susan Solomon, NOAA senior scientist and first author of the study.


My initial reactions:

1. No mention of the solar minimum? Seems undeniable that it has some impact and maybe these 2 effects are either:
a: acting in concert
b: the water vapor changes are caused by the solar minimum

2. "climate models do a remarkable job on water vapor near the surface" !?! And you know that because someone validated the results of a mixing ratio forecast 50 years into the future, or what?

3. Regardless of 1 or 2, above, seems that we continue to learn new things about it all and how they play together...and every time we learn one new thing, we discover at least 2 questions that need to be answered. (Don't think me ungrateful for this study, every piece is something and needs to be researched, surely.)

The NOAA press release: http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2010/20100128_watervapor.html
The Science paper: http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/science.1182488

So, open question, if the solar minimum did not cause the 10% drop in stratospheric water vapor after 2000, what did? The PDO? (How?) Anything else come to mind? (I feel like I am forgetting something)

According to the AP:
The reason for the decline is unknown, according to researchers led by Susan Solomon of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100128/ap_on_sc/us_sci_waning_water

Nice to be reminded how little we know from time to time...here I am flood...stuck with what we don't know.
Quoting Bordonaro:

SmileyCentral.com

Severe Thunderstorm Watch has just been put into affect for the Dallas-Ft Worth, TX Metroplex


Looks like i will get severe weather probably sum time in the evening.. :(
Floridano, you have WUMail
Wow...I killed the blog!
Floodman - mail.
So far, SPC isn't all that excited about the potential for severe WX tomorrow along the gulf coast:



Seems the "Damaging T-Storms" might be a little too strong here:
Quoting FLPandhandleJG:


Looks like i will get severe weather probably sum time in the evening.. :(


I mean the evenin of friday.. lol whoops ;)
Quoting atmoaggie:
So far, SPC isn't all that excited about the potential for severe WX tomorrow along the gulf coast:



Seems the "Damaging T-Storms" might be a little too strong here:


Ya probably.. i still believe we get thunderstorms it sum may be strong tho.. That L is looking good and looks like the moisture is ready to wrap around soon..
Gasparilla may be rained out in Tampa. Wouldn't that be something?
Hey,flood, look back at #486.
Quoting atmoaggie:
Interesting. (Published yesterday.)

Thanks for the post.
Water vapor is the strongest greenhouse gas we know.
I think the lower increase of average temperature after 2000 could be attributed to the process of melt.
Floridano, you there?
527 - inverse Twomey effect :)
Quoting atmoaggie:
Interesting. (Published yesterday.)

A 10 percent drop in water vapor ten miles above Earth's surface has had a big impact on global warming, say researchers in a study published online January 28 in the journal Science. The findings might help explain why global surface temperatures have not risen as fast in the last ten years as they did in the 1980s and 1990s.

---------------

"Current climate models do a remarkable job on water vapor near the surface. But this is different %u2014 it's a thin wedge of the upper atmosphere that packs a wallop from one decade to the next in a way we didn't expect," says Susan Solomon, NOAA senior scientist and first author of the study.


My initial reactions:

1. No mention of the solar minimum? Seems undeniable that it has some impact and maybe these 2 effects are either:
a: acting in concert
b: the water vapor changes are caused by the solar minimum

2. "climate models do a remarkable job on water vapor near the surface" !?! And you know that because someone validated the results of a mixing ratio 50 years into the future, or what?

3. Regardless of 1 or 2, above, seems that we continue to learn new things about it all and how they play together...and every time we learn one new thing, we discover at least 2 questions that need to be answered. (Don't think me ungrateful for this study, every piece is something and needs to be researched, surely.)

The NOAA press release: http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2010/20100128_watervapor.html
The Science paper: http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/science.1182488

So, open question, if the solar minimum did not cause the 10% drop in stratospheric water vapor after 2000, what did? The PDO? (How?) Anything else come to mind? (I feel like I am forgetting something)

According to the AP:
The reason for the decline is unknown, according to researchers led by Susan Solomon of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100128/ap_on_sc/us_sci_waning_water

Nice to be reminded how little we know from time to time...here I am flood...stuck with what we don't know.


Either way, when solar activity picks back up, the water vapor will as well. If the decline in solar activity was responsible for the water vapor decrease, then an increase will create a positive feedback mechanism. Since going from solar minimum to maximum usually corresponds to a +0.1C increase in global temperatures, that much increase from solar activity alone could result in the next three years. However, with the increase in water vapor, and the increase in evaporation due to a higher temperature, this positive feedback mechanism will accelerate even further. Now, with the economy recovering, CO2 emissions will also likely be on the rise, and when combined with other positive feedbacks such as methane clathrate releases, I reckon that global temperatures will exceed +1.0C (+1.8F) above 1900 levels by 2015, and possibly earlier. What this means is that global warming is very likely to accelerate early this decade, and that the decade of relative stability in global temperature trends is over. If oscillations such as El Nino arise in strong phases, then this acceleration will be pushed farther. Arctic sea ice will likely start to melt faster as it has for the past few years, even without the acceleration, and I estimate that by 2016 the area of 50%+ Arctic sea ice in summer will be reduced to a chunk of 400,000 square km. From that point, more tipping points are likely to pass.
Tahlequah, Oklahoma (Airport)
Updated: 18 min 39 sec ago
28 °F
Light Snow
Windchill: 22 °F
Humidity: 74%
Dew Point: 21 °F
Wind: 6 mph from the ENE
Pressure: 30.26 in (Falling)
Visibility: 7.0 miles
UV: 1 out of 16
Clouds: Scattered Clouds 900 ft
Mostly Cloudy 2700 ft
(Above Ground Level)
Elevation: 873 ft

It says it is snowing but when I look out the window it is rain, not frozen, not in flakes, just wet cold rain
540: You sure seem to have it all figured out.

So what if the stratospheric water vapor is tied to something else and continues to decline?

And what if it's relative effect is stronger than that of the solar minimum/maximum? Not saying it is, but I am saying that we don't know it isn't.
Quoting Ossqss:
527 - inverse Twomey effect :)

lol. I don't think so...
Quoting Floodman:
Wow...I killed the blog!


It was already DEAD. DOA
Quoting eyesontheweather:
Tahlequah, Oklahoma (Airport)
Updated: 18 min 39 sec ago
28 °F
Light Snow
Windchill: 22 °F
Humidity: 74%
Dew Point: 21 °F
Wind: 6 mph from the ENE
Pressure: 30.26 in (Falling)
Visibility: 7.0 miles
UV: 1 out of 16
Clouds: Scattered Clouds 900 ft
Mostly Cloudy 2700 ft
(Above Ground Level)
Elevation: 873 ft

It says it is snowing but when I look out the window it is rain, not frozen, not in flakes, just wet cold rain


The RUC 20z analysis shows a warm air layer above the surface favoring rain or sleet.
Quoting FLPandhandleJG:


Looks like there will be a lot of flooding on major rivers in the US this spring.
Quoting AstroHurricane001:


Looks like there will be a lot of flooding on major rivers in the US this spring.


Yap!
Quoting Drakoen:


The RUC 20z analysis shows a warm air layer above the surface favoring rain or sleet.
Not quite sure what all that means but yeah, it is raining and the temp is 28* F ( I am assuming you were agreeing with my original observation)
Quoting FLPandhandleJG:






I'm in a tiny area that is not in the heavy rain/flooding nor the ice/snow. I don't think they're sure which will win out.
Quoting AstroHurricane001:


Either way, when solar activity picks back up, the water vapor will as well. If the decline in solar activity was responsible for the water vapor decrease, then an increase will create a positive feedback mechanism. Since going from solar minimum to maximum usually corresponds to a +0.1C increase in global temperatures, that much increase from solar activity alone could result in the next three years. However, with the increase in water vapor, and the increase in evaporation due to a higher temperature, this positive feedback mechanism will accelerate even further. Now, with the economy recovering, CO2 emissions will also likely be on the rise, and when combined with other positive feedbacks such as methane clathrate releases, I reckon that global temperatures will exceed +1.0C (+1.8F) above 1900 levels by 2015, and possibly earlier. What this means is that global warming is very likely to accelerate early this decade, and that the decade of relative stability in global temperature trends is over. If oscillations such as El Nino arise in strong phases, then this acceleration will be pushed farther. Arctic sea ice will likely start to melt faster as it has for the past few years, even without the acceleration, and I estimate that by 2016 the area of 50%+ Arctic sea ice in summer will be reduced to a chunk of 400,000 square km. From that point, more tipping points are likely to pass.



"A slightly shocking finding," Tripati said, "is that the only time in the last 20 million years that we find evidence for carbon dioxide levels similar to the modern level of 387 parts per million was 15 to 20 million years ago, when the planet was dramatically different."

Levels of carbon dioxide have varied only between 180 and 300 parts per million over the last 800,000 years — until recent decades, said Tripati, who is also a member of UCLA's Institute of Geophysics and Planetary Physics. It has been known that modern-day levels of carbon dioxide are unprecedented over the last 800,000 years, but the finding that modern levels have not been reached in the last 15 million years is new.

Prior to the Industrial Revolution of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, the carbon dioxide level was about 280 parts per million, Tripati said. That figure had changed very little over the previous 1,000 years. But since the Industrial Revolution, the carbon dioxide level has been rising and is likely to soar unless action is taken to reverse the trend, Tripati said.

"During the Middle Miocene (the time period approximately 14 to 20 million years ago), carbon dioxide levels were sustained at about 400 parts per million, which is about where we are today," Tripati said. "Globally, temperatures were 5 to 10 degrees Fahrenheit warmer, a huge amount."

Tripati's new chemical technique has an average uncertainty rate of only 14 parts per million.

"We can now have confidence in making statements about how carbon dioxide has varied throughout history," Tripati said.

In the last 20 million years, key features of the climate record include the sudden appearance of ice on Antarctica about 14 million years ago and a rise in sea level of approximately 75 to 120 feet.

"We have shown that this dramatic rise in sea level is associated with an increase in carbon dioxide levels of about 100 parts per million, a huge change," Tripati said. "This record is the first evidence that carbon dioxide may be linked with environmental changes, such as changes in the terrestrial ecosystem, distribution of ice, sea level and monsoon intensity."

Today, the Arctic Ocean is covered with frozen ice all year long, an ice cap that has been there for about 14 million years.

"Prior to that, there was no permanent sea ice cap in the Arctic," Tripati said.

Some projections show carbon dioxide levels rising as high as 600 or even 900 parts per million in the next century if no action is taken to reduce carbon dioxide, Tripati said. Such levels may have been reached on Earth 50 million years ago or earlier, said Tripati, who is working to push her data back much farther than 20 million years and to study the last 20 million years in detail.

More than 50 million years ago, there were no ice sheets on Earth, and there were expanded deserts in the subtropics, Tripati noted. The planet was radically different.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091008152242.htm
Quoting FLPandhandleJG:


Southeast seems to be the spot for billion dollar disasters.
Quoting FLPandhandleJG:


hi,
i can't see the words can you post the link - thank you
Quoting WaterWitch11:


hi,
i can't see the words can you post the link - thank you


Link
All sorts of new, interesting research getting published...Somebody is going to have a lot of wiki pages to edit if this keeps up...

Today in Nature:

Amplification of Global Warming by Carbon-Cycle Feedback Significantly Less Than Thought, Study Suggests
Recent attempts to quantify the feedback by examining the co-variation of pre-industrial climate and CO2 records yielded estimates of about 40 parts per million by volume (p.p.m.v.) CO2 per degree Celsius, which would imply significant amplification of current warming trends.

In this week's Nature, David Frank and colleagues extend this empirical approach by comparing nine global-scale temperature reconstructions with CO2 data from three Antarctic ice cores over the period ad 1050-1800. The authors derive a likely range for the feedback strength of 1.7-21.4 p.p.m.v. CO2 per degree Celsius, with a median value of 7.7.

The researchers conclude that the recent estimates of 40 p.p.m.v. CO2 per degree Celsius can be excluded with 95% confidence, suggesting significantly less amplification of current warming.


Wow. Seems that the climate model physics and feedbacks might need to be reworked after this one.

News release: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/01/100127134721.htm
Article: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v463/n7280/full/nature08769.html
Quoting WaterWitch11:


hi,
i can't see the words can you post the link - thank you


Billion Dollar Disasters

If you ever want the url or address whatever you like to use, just right click and scroll down to properties and youll see the url, then just copy and paste in browser window.
Quoting atmoaggie:
540: You sure seem to have it all figured out.

So what if the stratospheric water vapor is tied to something else and continues to decline?

And what if it's relative effect is stronger than that of the solar minimum/maximum? Not saying it is, but I am saying that we don't know it isn't.

You might be right that there will happen observations which would contradict the rapid increase in temperature. But again we have those increase of anomalys, shifted weather patterns. Severe, more extreme events - all measurable for exampel by insurance companys. Or such NOAA report just posted. There is a huge exchange of aggregation going on. Ice becomes water. Fossil sediments become gas. Ordered states become disordered. Just as you start to boil water and observe the molecules. Nature seeks equilibrium - now we leave this "balance" to a more chaotic state.
That is one ugly looking line there folks!

Quoting Dodabear:
That is one ugly looking line there folks!



I see rotation.
Okay folks, I'm out for a while...BBL
Quoting CaneWarning:


I see rotation.


Lots of it!!
A lot of UNK wind speeds (and some duplicates) at SPC, but I can assure you, it takes wind to knock down or snap power poles and pull roofs off of businesses...


Reports

Hmmm, maybe there is something to look out for at points east tomorrow afternoon (unless some real modulation is in store)
24 years ago today, Space Shuttle Challenger exploded over Florida. Terrible day, terrible day. Ronald Reagan canceled his State of the Union that day because of it, held it the next week. RIP Challenger.
Quoting atmoaggie:
Amplification of Global Warming by Carbon-Cycle Feedback Significantly Less Than Thought, Study Suggests


Othere studys (a lot actualy) find that current model prediction underestimate the Co-2 sensitivity. Now it would be intrested to see a comparsion of model adjustment and new findings of sensitivity

Earth's Temperature 30-50% More Sensitive to CO2 than Previously Thought
We found that, given the concentrations of carbon dioxide prevailing three million years ago, the model originally predicted a significantly smaller temperature increase than that indicated by the reconstructions. This led us to review what was missing from the [current] model.
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2009/12/earths-temperature-30-to-50-percent-more-sensitive-to-co2-t han-previously-thought.php

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_sensitivity

And sure alot implications, even to small diffrences.

Carbon Dioxide Sensitivity and Personality
Carbon Dioxide Sensitivity in Mosquitoes Infected with Sigma ...
Extrachromosomal Inheritance of Carbon Dioxide Sensitivity in the ...
Development of CO2 sensitivity: effects of gestational age ...
Adrenaline Increases Carotid Body CO2 Sensitivity: An in vivo Study
An Orbivirus of Mosquitoes Which Induces CO2 Sensitivity in ...
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=hp&q=co2+sensitivity
Looks like NHC has completed their post season analysis based on an entry today into the

ATCF NOTICE file:

Posted as of Jan 28, 2010
-------------------------
Posted final Atlantic Basin data after post analysis was preformed.


I did a cursory review of the best track data and no upgrades/additions were noted.
569. RMCF
Quoting AstroHurricane001:


Looks like there will be a lot of flooding on major rivers in the US this spring.

The Fargo Moorhead area dodged a bullet last year not sure they will be so lucky this spring.
From the blog of Barefootontherocks:

Meteogram from central(?) OK:


Clearly, the anemometer is well ice-covered...wind reports ceased once it was raining and 32 F...

Hope power isn't an issue for those folks...well at least not for days and weeks.
Quoting CybrTeddy:
24 years ago today, Space Shuttle Challenger exploded over Florida. Terrible day, terrible day. Ronald Reagan canceled his State of the Union that day because of it, held it the next week. RIP Challenger.
Postponed, not cancelled. postponed means to put off while cancel means to stop it forever.
RIP Space Shuttle Challenger and her crew!

Challenger being assembled:



And on ground:

What's that smell?

Oh, must be the questionable CRU temperature results as published in the IPCC and hosted at wiki putting off an odor...

(Sry, FLPanh...but those temperature time series plots are full of bad science.)
Quoting Dodabear:
That is one ugly looking line there folks!


Looks like the Abilene radar a couple hours ago - its currently down now. Line coming over me now in Fort Worth is respectably heavy, not severe. PWS reports further south on the line aren't showing anything bad so far. Rain appreciated
Quoting atmoaggie:
What's that smell?

Oh, must be the questionable CRU temperature results as published in the IPCC and hosted at wiki putting off an odor...

(Sry, FLPanh...but those temperature time series plots are full of bad science.)


lol.. im pretty sure there not correct.. sry posting something like that..
573. mossyhead 2:09 PM PST on January 28, 2010
Quoting CybrTeddy:
24 years ago today, Space Shuttle Challenger exploded over Florida. Terrible day, terrible day. Ronald Reagan canceled his State of the Union that day because of it, held it the next week. RIP Challenger.


Postponed, not cancelled. postponed means to put off while cancel means to stop it forever



thank you Sister Mary Catherine...

;)

well i g2g.. hope every1 stays safe.. take care.. bbl peeps
Quoting NRAamy:
573. mossyhead 2:09 PM PST on January 28, 2010
Quoting CybrTeddy:
24 years ago today, Space Shuttle Challenger exploded over Florida. Terrible day, terrible day. Ronald Reagan canceled his State of the Union that day because of it, held it the next week. RIP Challenger.


Postponed, not cancelled. postponed means to put off while cancel means to stop it forever



thank you Sister Mary Catherine...

;)

Hi amy, are you feeling better! I here wife was looking for you! oh and let sister catherine know that to correct someone it is best to be accurate, as in, postponment is the act of cancelling something and rescheduling. Sorry, I make errors in the ability to quickly type something and is anoying when someone does that.
hey eyes....

:)
Quoting NRAamy:
hey eyes....

:)
Also a reminder that Paul Timmons of Portlight is going to be on NBC national news today or tomarrow at 6:30 pm eastern, not sure when that will be in CA
580: Snark.

Maybe they put one of these into orbit to measure ice thickness in the 50's...

A potentially dangerous severe weather outbreak looks to be in store 2/4/10 at night. Everyone in the Florida penisula really needs to pay attention early next week for updates from local media as this could be a deadly event if people aren't aware and take percautions. We are in a strong El-Nino and February is very notorious for deadly night-time tornadoes.


TROPICAL CYCLONE ADVICE NUMBER 40
Issued by the BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY, DARWIN
at 8:00 am CST [8:30 am EST] Friday 29 January 2010

A Cyclone WARNING continues for coastal and island communities from Cape Shield
in the NT to Gilbert River Mouth in Queensland, including Groote Eylandt and
Mornington Island.

A Cyclone WATCH continues for coastal and island communities from Gilbert River
Mouth to Pormpuraaw.

At 6:30 am CST [7:00 am EST] Ex-Tropical Cyclone Olga was estimated to be over
land 45 kilometres northwest of Borroloola and
355 kilometres west northwest of Mornington Island, moving northeast at 5
kilometres per hour towards the southern Gulf of Carpentaria coast.

Ex-Tropical Cyclone Olga is forecast to move slowly offshore during today where
it is expected to redevelop into a tropical cyclone late today or early
Saturday.

GALES with gusts to 110 kilometres per hour are expected to develop between Port
Roper and Gilbert River Mouth late today or early Saturday. GALES with gusts to
110 kilometres per hour may develop between Cape Shield and Port Roper late
today or early Saturday if the low takes a more northerly track.

GALES are not expected between Gilbert River Mouth and Pormpuraaw within the
next 24 hours. However, GALES may develop Saturday afternoon.

HEAVY RAIN may lead to significant stream rises and flooding of low-lying areas
in the Roper-McArthur and Arnhem Districts in the Northern Territory and Gulf
Country in Queensland.

ABNORMALLY HIGH TIDES could cause SERIOUS FLOODING at the Northern Territory
coast and adjacent islands between Port McArthur and the Queensland Border this
evening.

ABNORMALLY HIGH TIDES are occurring along the Queensland Gulf of Carpentaria
coast and adjacent islands and are expected to exceed the high water mark at
high tide over the next few days.

People between Gilbert River Mouth in Queensland and Cape Shield in the Northern
Territory, including Groote Eylandt and Mornington Island, should take
precautions and listen to the next advice at 11 am CST [11:30 am EST]. If you
are unsure about precautions to be taken, information is available from your
local government or local State Emergency Service.

Details of Ex-Tropical Cyclone Olga at 6:30 am CST [7:00 am EST]:
.Centre located near...... 15.8 degrees South 136.0 degrees East
.Location accuracy........ within 95 kilometres
.Recent movement.......... towards the northeast at 5 kilometres per hour
.Wind gusts near centre... 85 kilometres per hour
.Severity category........ below cyclone intensity
.Central pressure......... 992 hectoPascals

The next advice will be issued by 11:00 am CST Friday 29 January [11:30 am EST
Friday 29 January].

Rocky Mountain glaciers fading fast: researchers
Much of Alberta's Rocky Mountain glaciers will melt away by 2100, turning white rivers of ice into rock and earth-brown landscapes, according to new research from the University of Calgary.

"It's a bit bleak for the glaciers, I must say," said climate change specialist and geophysicist Shawn Marshall. "It's well underway and it's just a matter, as the decades go on, of the ice rolling uphill until it's out of sight."
http://www.windsorstar.com/technology/Rocky%20Mountain%20glaciers%20fading%20fast%20researchers/248 3599/story.html

Modeled Climate-Induced Glacier Change in Glacier National Park, 1850-2100


http://www.nrmsc.usgs.gov/research/glacier_model.htm
Interesting tool :)



Note - older image does not show snow.

The Cryosphere Today
Compare Daily Sea Ice
The Biggest Source of CO2 You’ve Never Heard Of

Yes...it is all my fault. I own a car and burn gasoline to get my fat *** around.

It's all about me, folks! :)

MY SCIENCE FAIR PROJECT FOR THIS YEAR: Create a strong High pressure system near Bermuda!

LOL!
Quoting drg0dOwnCountry:
Rocky Mountain glaciers fading fast: researchers
Much of Alberta's Rocky Mountain glaciers will melt away by 2100, turning white rivers of ice into rock and earth-brown landscapes, according to new research from the University of Calgary.

"It's a bit bleak for the glaciers, I must say," said climate change specialist and geophysicist Shawn Marshall. "It's well underway and it's just a matter, as the decades go on, of the ice rolling uphill until it's out of sight."
http://www.windsorstar.com/technology/Rocky%20Mountain%20glaciers%20fading%20fast%20researchers/248 3599/story.html

Modeled Climate-Induced Glacier Change in Glacier National Park, 1850-2100


http://www.nrmsc.usgs.gov/research/glacier_model.htm


Great...make it stop then. Go ahead...give it the good old college try! LOL!!!!

Bottom line: The Earth and its climate is going to do whatever nature has in mind.

Try to stop any of it from happening! Let me know how that goes. :)
Quoting CycloneOz:
The Biggest Source of CO2 You’ve Never Heard Of

Yes...it is all my fault. I own a car and burn gasoline to get my fat *** around.

It's all about me, folks! :)

MY SCIENCE FAIR PROJECT FOR THIS YEAR: Create a strong High pressure system near Bermuda!

LOL!


Hey Oz, is that exhaust from you I see in your avatar :)
Quoting Ossqss:


Hey Oz, is that exhaust from you I see in your avatar :)


The direction is right! The amount of output seems about right, too!

Put a methane bag on my ***! That's the ticket! :D

LOL!!!
i really hope my power does not go out here in pinehurst nc,, what will those retirees do,, i hate frezzin rain,, love snow,, also, i will be 137 in the year 2100, maybe i will see that ,
drg0dOwnCountry

I still don't think you read what you placed in your post on 505. You may want to check it :)

Here it is again to save you time with the full title.

Gavin Schmidt on the Acquittal of CO2

GAVIN SCHMIDT'S RESPONSE TO THE ACQUITTAL OF CO2
SHOULD SOUND THE DEATH KNELL FOR AGW
by Jeffrey A. Glassman, PhD


Quoting Ossqss:
Interesting tool :)
Indeed ... i want to read more about this and the extending negative AO.


Quoting CycloneOz:


Yes...it is all my fault.
Wow, never heard of these.

Looking at teh wiki, there are peat fires too ... very grim.

Environmental impact


Besides destruction of the affected areas, coal fires emit gases that contribute to global warming, such as carbon dioxide, carbon monoxide, sulphur dioxide and methane. China's coal fires, which consume an estimated 20 – 200 million tons of coal a year, make up as much as 1 percent of the global carbon dioxide emissions from fossil fuels.[2] In addition to the production of toxic gases, changes to the landscape as a result of subsidence are particularly relevant. Other regional and local environmental effects include the adaptability of plants and animals to coal fires, which depends on the fire duration and extent of the affected area. As an example, in one case in Germany, many insects and spiders of Mediterranean origin could be identified which managed to survive the cold winters of the region because ground temperatures were increased by the fire.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal_seam_fire


Peat Fires

Smoke and ozone pollution from Indonesian fires, 1997.

Peat has a high carbon content and can burn under low moisture conditions. Once ignited by the presence of a heat source (e.g. a wildfire penetrating the subsurface), it smoulders. These smouldering fires can burn undetected for very long periods of time (months, years and even centuries) propagating in a creeping fashion through the underground peat layer. Peat fires are emerging as a global threat with significant economic, social and ecological impacts. Recent burning of peat bogs in Indonesia, with their large and deep growths containing more than 50 billion tons of carbon, has contributed to increases in world carbon dioxide levels. Peat deposits in southeast Asia could be destroyed by 2040.

In 1997, it is estimated that peat and forest fires in Indonesia released between 0.81 and 2.57 Gt of carbon; equivalent to 13-40 percent of the amount released by global fossil fuel burning, and greater than the carbon uptake of the world's biosphere. These fires may be responsible for the acceleration in the increase in carbon dioxide levels since 1998.[13][14]

More than 100 peat fires in Kalimantan and East Sumatra continue to burn since 1997. Each year the peat fires in Kalimantan and East Sumatra ignite new forest fires above the ground.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peat#Fires

Quoting Patrap:
Stay Thirsty Who Dats...

Finish Strong.







I am counting on them Patrap, and hopefully will be counting after the game :)

It's their turn! Since my Black and Gold did not get in this year I gotta go for the Saints !
Oss, to me it seems this is just a campaign against a scientist. Presented in a pretty lame and confusing way.
598- With all due respect, you posted that article not I. I was not bashing, I was simply letting you know that it was possible that you posted it inadvertently. Perhaps not?

I'll be on my way....L8R
600. drg0dOwnCountry 4:04 PM PST on January 28, 2010
Oss, to me it seems this is just a campaign against a scientist. Presented in a pretty lame and confusing way.


Hey! I haven't been on here all day!

;)
Out of MHC. I love when they talk like this.

NEAR TERM /UNTIL 6 AM FRIDAY MORNING/...
-- Changed Discussion --AS OF 700 PM THURSDAY...THE DRY COLD FRONT WILL SWEEP RAPIDLY
THROUGH EASTERN NC THIS EVENING AND SHOULD BE OFF THE COAST BY
MIDNIGHT. HIGH CLOUDS WILL CONTINUE STREAM INTO EASTERN NC AHEAD
OF ADVANCING STREAM UPPER TROUGH. ALTHOUGH THE ATMOSPHERE WILL BE
MIXED BEHIND THE FRONT AND THE HIGH CLOUDINESS WILL LOWER...STRONG
COLD ADVECTION SHOULD OFFSET THIS SO I LOWERED MINIMUM
TEMPERATURES A COUPLE OF DEGREES TOWARD THE COLDER MOS NUMBERS.

A FEW RANDOM THOUGHTS ON THE UPCOMING WINTER WEATHER SITUATION:
WHAT IS MAKING THIS FORECAST TOUGH IS THE WARM NOSE WHICH IS
FORECAST BY THE MODELS AROUND 750-800 MB ON SATURDAY. THIS IS WHY
THE FORECAST 850-700 MB THICKNESS VALUES ARE HIGHER THAN YOU WOULD
EXPECT IN A SNOW SITUATION. PARTIAL/CRITICAL THICKNESS VALUES THAT
HIGH USUALLY SIGNAL A MIXTURE WITH SLEET AND FREEZING RAIN. THE
NAM-12 SOUNDINGS IN THE ADVISORY AREA LOOK MAINLY LIKE A
SNOW/SLEET MIXTURE WHICH WOULD CUT DOWN ON SNOWFALL
ACCUMULATIONS. THE 1000-850 MB THICKNESS IS CERTAINLY COLD ENOUGH
TO SUPPORT SNOW. ANOTHER CONCERN IS FOR THE AREAS JUST SE OF THE
ADVISORY AREA AT THE ONSET OF THE EVENT. VERY DRY AIR IN THE
800-900 MB LAYER WILL PROMOTE EVAPOARTIVE COOLING AND IT LOOKS
LIKE THERE WILL BE SUFFICIENT LIFT AND MOISTURE EARLY FOR HEAVIER
PRECIPITATION TO OCCUR WHICH WILL MAXIMIZE THE COOLING AND ALLOW
TEMPERATURES TO BRIEFLY DROP TO AROUND FREEZING. THUS A PERIOD OF
FREEZING RAIN/SLEET/SNOW COULD OCCUR IN PLACES AS FAR SOUTH AS
KINSTON AND NEW BERN BEFORE CHANGING TO A COLD RAIN. THE NORTHERN
OUTER BANKS WERE ANOTHER AREA OF CONCERN. THICKNESS VALUES WERE
COLD ENOUGH FOR WINTRY PRECIPITATION BUT THE LOW LEVEL ENE FLOW
OFF THE WARMER OCEAN WATERS SHOULD HELP TO KEEP THE SURFACE
TEMPERATURES ABOVE FREEZING. HOPEFULLY THE NEXT MODEL RUN WILL
HELP ADDRESS THESE ISSUES.-- End Changed Discussion --
Quoting Ossqss:
598- With all due respect, you posted that article not I. I was not bashing, I was simply letting you know that it was possible that you posted it inadvertently. Perhaps not?

I'll be on my way....L8R
You were correct, but me too as i was refering to gavins statement. With bashign i refer to this website.
A potentially dangerous severe weather outbreak looks to be in store 2/4/10 at night. Everyone in the Florida penisula really needs to pay attention early next week for updates from local media as this could be a deadly event if people aren't aware and take percautions. We are in a strong El-Nino and February is very notorious for deadly night-time tornadoes.

Your comments are completely uncalled for.
Quoting NRAamy:
Hey! I haven't been on here all day!

;)


It's all your fault anyway. hahahahahaha
(just trying to help you feel better, in my own spirited way) :)
Quoting Ossqss:


I am counting on them Patrap, and hopefully will be counting after the game :)

It's their turn! Since my Black and Gold did not get in this year I gotta go for the Saints !


LOL, U betcha

Post #597 was for my entry,and I kinda had to modify it here..

Who Dat Nation arises for sure in Miami.
Watts not to love: New study finds the poor weather stations tend to have a slight COOL bias, not a warm one
Analysis of actual U.S. data disagrees with Anthony Watts' primary conclusion.

My guest blogger today is one of the best meteorologists around, Dr. Jeff Masters, former Hurricane Hunter and now Director of Meteorology for the Weather Underground. There’s so much damn stuff to blog on, I didn’t get around to the amazing new study that, as DotEarth’s Andy Revkin put it, “throws cold water on the allegation that bad weather stations have amplified America’s warming trend” — allegations made by former TV weatherman Anthony Watts who runs the anti-science website WattsUpWithThat.

We knew that the “good or best” weather stations provide data that matches the overall U.S. temperature record (see Must-read NOAA paper — Q: “Is there any question that surface temperatures in the United States have been rising rapidly during the last 50 years?” A: “None at all.”). But as Revkin explains, “In essence, the paper, On the Reliability of the U.S. Surface Temperature Record (pdf), concludes that the instrument issues, as long acknowledged, are real, but the poor stations tend to have a slight cool bias, not a warm one.” Like Revkin, I first saw this on Masters’ Wunderblog, and he gave me permission to excerpt it at length here.

Read full article
http://climateprogress.org/2010/01/28/watts-not-to-love-new-study-finds-the-poor-u-s-weather-statio ns-tend-to-have-a-slight-cool-bias-not-a-warm-one/
Quoting Patrap:
Tune in
Thanks ;)
Earlyer they had a discussion with StormW on tropical storm danny?
Quoting clwstmchasr:
A potentially dangerous severe weather outbreak looks to be in store 2/4/10 at night. Everyone in the Florida penisula really needs to pay attention early next week for updates from local media as this could be a deadly event if people aren't aware and take percautions. We are in a strong El-Nino and February is very notorious for deadly night-time tornadoes.

Your comments are completely uncalled for.
No There not. Remember the Feb. 1998 tornado outbreak. Your lack of Freedom of speech is uncalled for!
Quoting CycloneOz:


Great...make it stop then. Go ahead...give it the good old college try! LOL!!!!

Bottom line: The Earth and its climate is going to do whatever nature has in mind.

Try to stop any of it from happening! Let me know how that goes. :)

That is about the most sensible thing I've read
in a dogs age. How did the planet warm and melt the 100,000 yr. glaciations prior to the INDUSTRIAL revolution, how did
Greenland melt down for Erik the Red to explore the North American east coast. Most likely Solar
variation. My theory at least till someone comes up with a reasonable alternative.
616. beell
NFL has claimed "Who Dat" for their own.
NFL halting sales of 'Who Dat' merchandise-NOLA.com
Seasonal weather for our neck of the woods. A little above average before the frontal passage. Will so. Fla. have anymore more 30's this season?

Local Text Forecast for
West Palm Beach, FL (33409)

Jan 28 Tonight
Partly cloudy skies. Low 61F. Winds E at 5 to 10 mph.
Jan 29 Tomorrow
Partly cloudy skies. High 74F. Winds SE at 10 to 15 mph.
Jan 29 Tomorrow night
Mostly cloudy skies. Low 67F. Winds SSE at 5 to 10 mph.
Jan 30 Saturday
Mostly Cloudy. Highs in the low 80s and lows in the low 60s.
Jan 31 Sunday
Some sun with a few showers possible. Highs in the upper 60s and lows in the low 60s.
Feb 1 Monday
Showers possible. Highs in the low 70s and lows in the mid 60s.
Feb 2 Tuesday
Showers possible. Highs in the mid 70s and lows in the low 60s.
Feb 3 Wednesday
Occasional showers possible. Highs in the mid 70s and lows in the low 60s.
Feb 4 Thursday
Mostly Cloudy. Highs in the mid 70s and lows in the low 60s.
Feb 5 Friday
Showers possible. Highs in the mid 70s and lows in the upper 50s.
Feb 6 Saturday
A few clouds. Highs in the low 70s and lows in the upper 50s.
Quoting beell:
NF has claimed "Who Dat" for their own.
NFL halting sales of 'Who Dat' merchandise-NOLA.com


WOW Well, good luck with that. If this actually stops people from selling them, I GUARANTEE there will be more hand made items than you can even imagine. And if I know my NO, finding someone to enforce something like that on the behest of the NFL will be, errrr, difficult.
Yes, the Earth will do what it wants (with us). And humans will adapt to almost anything.
The Barometer Bob Show has started.
I am in StormChat.
Quoting FLWeatherFreak91:
Yes, the Earth will do what it wants (with us). And humans will adapt to almost anything.

You propose the rivival of the caveman ;)
622. GBlet
I keep saying that we are the fleas and one day we're gonna get scratched off.
Quoting GBlet:
I keep saying that we are the fleas and one day we're gonna get scratched off.
I think we are a parasite, which needs to learn to exist with the host.
We have the power to destroy earth and at the same time we have the power to save the earth.
Quoting drg0dOwnCountry:
I think we are a parasite, which needs to learn to exist with the host.
We have the power to destroy earth and at the same time we have the power to save the earth.
its all ready too late what will be will be we just dont really understand as much as we think we understand
Quoting drg0dOwnCountry:
I think we are a parasite, which needs to learn to exist with the host.
We have the power to destroy earth and at the same time we have the power to save the earth.


On second thought, not going there...
Seems some already got the boot from their homes prior :)

Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
its all ready too late what will be will be we just dont really understand as much as we think we understand
But with this position nothing will change.

I think we will be forced to adapt to clean energy.
It started already, now it is a matter on how fast we can phase out the biggest polluter. Wait 2 month it will be a total diffrent situation, because each of us starts to see and feel the change which goes on with the earth climate/weather.
Well done to Ron(Floodman) and Paul(Presslord) for there segment on the Barometer Bob Show.

GREAT WORK GUYS.
Quoting PcolaDan:


WOW Well, good luck with that. If this actually stops people from selling them, I GUARANTEE there will be more hand made items than you can even imagine. And if I know my NO, finding someone to enforce something like that on the behest of the NFL will be, errrr, difficult.
If it is a copyright item, then it is a law that supports the NFL. They can be fined for using a copyrighted item. They cannot ignore it. And my understanding is it is copyrighted. Read up on the copyright law and you can get fined heavily for using somebody else's copyrighted material.
things are ramping up in texas
WRAL forecast New Bern shows .5-.75" of ice. 10 miles down the road, looks like we're in rain.
does anyone know what time press is on nbc tonight?
Quoting jaxairportman:
No There not. Remember the Feb. 1998 tornado outbreak. Your lack of Freedom of speech is uncalled for!


Thank you so much for that! look at the model below and you will see that this a real possibility.

http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwprod/analysis/namer/gfs/18/fp0_180.shtml
Quoting jaxairportman:
No There not. Remember the Feb. 1998 tornado outbreak. Your lack of Freedom of speech is uncalled for!


Really! well I can tell you I personally lost friends of mine to the tornadoes of 2/23/98 in Sanford, FL. and I can tell you that this is a possibility.

http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwprod/analysis/namer/gfs/18/fp0_180.shtml
Well hopefully things are not reverting to how they were:

Remember everything needs to be sourced.

Ossqss you make a MAJOR assumption in atmospheric Chemistry in post:

95. Ossqss 5:46 PM CST on January 28, 2010 Hide this comment.
drg0dOwnCountry

I still don't think you read what you placed in your post on 505. You may want to check it :)

Here it is again to save you time with the full title.

Gavin Schmidt on the Acquittal of CO2

GAVIN SCHMIDT'S RESPONSE TO THE ACQUITTAL OF CO2
SHOULD SOUND THE DEATH KNELL FOR AGW
by Jeffrey A. Glassman, PhD

That deserves about 5 blogs but I will address it here tonight. I will assume being versed on weather and climate those here have at least a slight understating of atmospheric chemistry.
First off Gavin Schmidt - a peer reviewed scientist:

He Coauthored:

Dangerous human-made interference with climate: A GISS modelE study.

Identification of "dangerous" effects is partly subjective, but we find evidence that added global warming of more than 1C above the level in 2000 has effects that may be highly disruptive. The alternative scenario, with peak added forcing ~1.5 W/m2 in 2100, keeps further global warming under 1C if climate sensitivity is ~3C or less for doubled CO2. The alternative scenario keeps mean regional seasonal warming within 2%u03C3 (standard deviations) of 20th century variability, but other scenarios yield regional changes of 5-10, i.e., mean conditions outside the range of local experience. We discuss three specific sub-global topics: Arctic climate change, tropical storm intensification, and ice sheet stability. We suggest that Arctic climate change has been driven as much by pollutants (O3, its precursor CH4, and soot) as by CO2, offering hope that dual efforts to reduce pollutants and slow CO2 growth could minimize Arctic change.


So I am off the bat getting the feeling that someone is misinterpreting him. Tonight when the blog slows Ill respond more.

In Response to :


95. Ossqss 5:46 PM CST on January 28, 2010 Hide this comment.
drg0dOwnCountry
I still don't think you read what you placed in your post on 505. You may want to check it :)
Here it is again to save you time with the full title.
Gavin Schmidt on the Acquittal of CO2
GAVIN SCHMIDT'S RESPONSE TO THE ACQUITTAL OF CO2
SHOULD SOUND THE DEATH KNELL FOR AGW
by Jeffrey A. Glassman, PhD
640. beell
Quoting mossyhead:
If it is a copyright item, then it is a law that supports the NFL. They can be fined for using a copyrighted item. They cannot ignore it. And my understanding is it is copyrighted. Read up on the copyright law and you can get fined heavily for using somebody else's copyrighted material.


Who dat owns who dat. NFL is not who dat.
Quoting JFLORIDA:
Well hopefully things are not reverting to how they were:

Remember everything needs to be sourced.

Ossqss you make a MAJOR assumption in atmospheric Chemistry in post:

95. Ossqss 5:46 PM CST on January 28, 2010 Hide this comment.
drg0dOwnCountry

I still don't think you read what you placed in your post on 505. You may want to check it :)

Here it is again to save you time with the full title.

Gavin Schmidt on the Acquittal of CO2

GAVIN SCHMIDT'S RESPONSE TO THE ACQUITTAL OF CO2
SHOULD SOUND THE DEATH KNELL FOR AGW
by Jeffrey A. Glassman, PhD

That deserves about 5 blogs but I will address it here tonight. I will assume being versed on weather and climate those here have at least a slight understating of atmospheric chemistry.


I like the peacefull blog and sorry if I offended you the other day:) We were all out of line because of GW.
Quoting Patrap:
If dee NFL wanna see my other Fleur-De-Lis tattoo,their gonna have to to Lift my,dis,dat,and dee other thing.






Nose Tackle for the Saints!!LOL
Quoting mossyhead:
If it is a copyright item, then it is a law that supports the NFL. They can be fined for using a copyrighted item. They cannot ignore it. And my understanding is it is copyrighted. Read up on the copyright law and you can get fined heavily for using somebody else's copyrighted material.



I understand the copyright laws, which is why I stated "If this actually stops people from selling them, I GUARANTEE there will be more hand made items than you can even imagine".
And I'm pretty sure the NOPD will be too busy to waste time raiding stores. And if the NFL pursues this, they are going to open a can of worms as to ownership. Wikipedia article.
And I find it a little interesting that after all these years, they wait until now. Can you say greedy NFL!!!!!
Quoting Jeff9641:


Really! well I can tell you I personally lost friends of mine to the tornadoes of 2/23/98 in Sanford, FL. and I can tell you that this is a possibility.

http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwprod/analysis/namer/gfs/18/fp0_180.shtml
Yes this is what This blog is for to save lives!!
Evening Everyone.

Here she comes...
Link
Tornado Watch 14 remains in effect until 1000 PM CST for the
following locations


TX
. Texas counties included are

Bandera blanco Burnet
Concho Edwards Gillespie
Kendall Kerr Kimble
Kinney Llano McCulloch
Mason Menard real
San Saba Schleicher Sutton
Uvalde Val Verde

648. MTWX
SPC is looking at extending the Tornado Watch/ Issueing a new watch shortly...Link
Quoting jaxairportman:
Yes this is what This blog is for to save lives!!


It was my junior year in high school when this occured and we were shocked by just how bad things got once the sun went down.
Quoting MTWX:
SPC is looking at extending the Tornado Watch/ Issueing a new watch shortly...Link


San Antonio is going to get creamed tonight.
589 Ossqss: "Interesting tool :)"

"Note - older image does not show snow."

Ah the good ol' days, when eskimos could hula around near nekkid in their little grass skirts...
...oh wait...that was three days ago.

RUN!!! RUN!!! The glaciers are coming! The glaciers are coming!

Well at least we won't hafta argue about anthropogenic GlobalWarming anymore, what with man and all his works being buried under glaciers by next Monday.
Since it's been such a tough, serious week, I'm posting Friday night entertainment a day early.
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And this is weather related because that is a mean lookin' front travelin' across Texas right now!
Talk about the wild west!
Quoting Jeff9641:


It was my junior year in high school when this occured and we were shocked by just how bad things got once the sun went down.
Thank you for your kindness and why we are here on this blog!
Quoting aspectre:"
I can sense some agreement here.
21.2degree temp drop in 24 hrs temps down to 3.5f now compared too 24 f this time last night

illegitimate snowfall patterns - i hope this makes sense ;)
It looks like models have backed off on the extended rain next week to just Thursday ahead of a potent cold front(as it stands severe weather looks more likely then flooding concerns).

Something definitely to keep an eye on in Florida Peninsula(especially central Florida)!
Quoting Ossqss:
drg0dOwnCountry

I still don't think you read what you placed in your post on 505. You may want to check it :)

Here it is again to save you time with the full title.

Gavin Schmidt on the Acquittal of CO2

GAVIN SCHMIDT'S RESPONSE TO THE ACQUITTAL OF CO2
SHOULD SOUND THE DEATH KNELL FOR AGW
by Jeffrey A. Glassman, PhD




Nevermimd its just someone rambling on an a denial site. There are studies into CO2 sinks and their correspondence to the atmospheric record.

This is all Jeffrey A. Glassman, PhD - whoever that is and a few informal questions he had with the NASA scientist - some that were not answered.


Someone not answering your every whim - a valid argument does not make. He needs to Google the relevant articles himself.

He also needs to stay current on solar research and update his site. A lot has changed in our knowledge since 2001.

Please please please dont post deceptively labeled blog "articles" like that. He is no more a professional scientist in the field than I am.
Morning all. It's cool and clear out - 68 degrees - with prospects of an 82 deg high later today.

Glad to leave the deep cold behind, though it looks like we are likely to have one more cold spell before winter is over...

Thank you for the sanity jflorida
-23C here in Vasa, Finland.

Painful.
morning all
10F with a wind chill of -9 and winds gusting to 37mph. They say we wont see the freezing mark till next week
666. P451
TGIF, everyone!

There's a decadently yummy 2-lb. box of hand-dipped chocolates up for auction on NRAamy's blog -- you know, the one with the Purple Hippo avatar -- 100 percent of all proceeds go to PORTLIGHT!

59f nice e cent florida
Totally free way to do your good deed for the day:

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670. IKE
Now I've seen it all.....Link

CAIRO (AP) -- Al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden has called for the world to boycott American goods and the U.S. dollar, blaming the United States and other industrialized countries for global warming, according to a new audiotape released Friday.
671. P451
Ike - LOL no way....just no way.


thats what ortega tried to do in nicaraqua a few yrs ago the people there love the dollar some of the locals look at them " thank you" it wont work interesting the terrorist is on the global warming rampage too
673. IKE
And some will come on here and agree with him blaming the US for GW. Which will lead to more arguments and bans....get ready! he-he.
TC OLGA IS BACK



TROPICAL CYCLONE ADVICE NUMBER 46
Issued by the Bureau of Meteorology, Brisbane
Issued at 11:09pm EST on Friday the 29th of January 2010

A Cyclone WARNING is current for coastal and island communities from Port
McArthur in the Northern Territory to Kowanyama in Queensland extending inland
to Croydon in Queensland.

At 10:00 pm EST [9:30 pm CST] Tropical Cyclone Olga, Category 1 was estimated to
be 55 kilometres north northwest of Mornington Is and 250 kilometres east of
Port McArthur, moving east at 27 kilometres per hour.

Tropical Cyclone Olga is expected to intensify overnight as it follows an east
southeastward track across the Gulf of Carpentaria.

DESTRUCTIVE WINDS may develop on the coast between about Burketown and Karumba
during Saturday morning.

GALES are expected to develop between Port McArthur and Kowanyama, including
Mornington Island overnight.

HEAVY RAIN may lead to significant stream rises and flooding of low-lying areas
in the far eastern parts of the Roper-McArthur District in the Northern
Territory and Gulf Country in Queensland.

ABNORMALLY HIGH TIDES are occurring along the Queensland Gulf of Carpentaria
coast and adjacent islands and are expected to exceed the high water mark at
high tide over the next few days.

People between Port McArthur in the Northern Territory and Kowanyama in
Queensland, including Mornington Island, should take precautions and listen to
the next advice. If you are unsure about precautions to be taken, information is
available from your local government or local State Emergency Service.

Details of Tropical Cyclone Olga at 10:00 pm EST [9:30 pm CST]:
.Centre located near...... 16.2 degrees South 138.9 degrees East
.Location accuracy........ within 35 kilometres
.Recent movement.......... towards the east at 27 kilometres per hour
.Wind gusts near centre... 95 kilometres per hour
.Category........ 1
.Central pressure......... 987 hectoPascals

The next advice will be issued by 2:00 am EST Saturday 30 January [1:30 am CST
Saturday 30 January].
Can't tell yet if it's going to be rain or ice here in New Bern....gonna be an interesting 48 hours.
676. MTWX
Quoting largeeyes:
Can't tell yet if it's going to be rain or ice here in New Bern....gonna be an interesting 48 hours.


Same here in MS. Don't know whether its going to rain, freeze, or snow!!
It looks like somebody is going to get a ton of snow! Gasparilla may get rained on in Tampa. I can tell you one thing, I certainly wouldn't want to be on a boat tomorrow.
Quoting CaneWarning:
It looks like somebody is going to get a ton of snow! Gasparilla may get rained on in Tampa. I can tell you one thing, I certainly wouldn't want to be on a boat tomorrow.


Rain and storms should move in later in the day. You should be fine for awhile. Have Fun!
Quoting IKE:
And some will come on here and agree with him blaming the US for GW. Which will lead to more arguments and bans....get ready! he-he.


LOL,you really are bored aren't you???
Snow... FL Panhandle??
Quoting Orcasystems:
Snow... FL Panhandle??


When?
683. IKE
Quoting NEwxguy:


LOL,you really are bored aren't you???


LOL.
Excerpt from SHORT RANGE FORECAST DISCUSSION

VALID 12Z FRI JAN 29 2010 - 00Z SUN JAN 31 2010

LOCATIONS ACROSS NORTH CAROLINA AND SOUTHEAST VIRGINIA ARE EXPECTED TO HAVE THEIR HEAVIEST SNOWFALL IN 10 TO 20 YEARS.

Quoting JFLORIDA:


Nevermimd its just someone rambling on an a denial site. There are studies into CO2 sinks and their correspondence to the atmospheric record.

This is all Jeffrey A. Glassman, PhD - whoever that is and a few informal questions he had with the NASA scientist - some that were not answered.


Someone not answering your every whim - a valid argument does not make. He needs to Google the relevant articles himself.

He also needs to stay current on solar research and update his site. A lot has changed in our knowledge since 2001.

Please please please dont post deceptively labeled blog "articles" like that. He is no more a professional scientist in the field than I amem>


FYI, you should probably direct that comment to the person who posted it originally in post 505.

BTW, just for the record on the " no more a professional scientist in the field than I am" statement. :)

Dr. Glassman has a BS, MS, and PhD from the UCLA Engineering Department of Systems Science, specializing in electronics, applied mathematics, applied physics, communication and information theory. For more than half of three decades at Hughes Aircraft Company he was Division Chief Scientist for Missile Development and Microelectronics Systems Divisions, responsible for engineering, product line planning, and IR&D. Since retiring from Hughes, he has consulted in various high tech fields, including expert witness on communication satellite anomalies for the defense in Astrium v. TRW, et al, and CDMA instructor at Qualcomm. Lecturer, Math and Science Institutes, UCI. Member, Science Education Advisory Board. Author of Evolution in Science, Hollowbrook, New Hampshire, 1992, ISDN 0-89341-707-6. He is an expert modeler of diverse physical phenomena, including microwave and millimeter wave propagation in the atmosphere and in solids, ballistic reentry trajectories, missile guidance, solar radiation, thermal energy in avionics and in microcircuit devices, infrared communication, analog and digital signals, large scale fire control systems, diffusion, and electroencephalography. Inventor of a radar on-target detection device, and a stereo digital signal processor. Published A Generalization of the Fast Fourier Transform, IEEE Transactions on Computers, 1972. Previously taught detection and estimation theory, probability theory, digital signal processing.

L8R

Quoting Orcasystems:
Snow... FL Panhandle??


Where are you getting that?
Quoting nrtiwlnvragn:
Excerpt from SHORT RANGE FORECAST DISCUSSION

VALID 12Z FRI JAN 29 2010 - 00Z SUN JAN 31 2010

LOCATIONS ACROSS NORTH CAROLINA AND SOUTHEAST VIRGINIA ARE EXPECTED TO HAVE THEIR HEAVIEST SNOWFALL IN 10 TO 20 YEARS.



Wow... That's saying a lot considering the snowfall they had before Christmas...
685. That Dr. doesn't count though and his credentials are not good enough because he disagrees with what they think.
looks like olga is making a mess of things near pt mcarther australia
Quoting CaneWarning:


Where are you getting that?


ROFLMAO, its a question, not a statement :)
Quoting Orcasystems:


ROFLMAO, its a question, not a statement :)


Oh! ;)

Quoting Orcasystems:


ROFLMAO, its a question, not a statement :)


Ill answer it, NOT THIS TIME.
Is it supposed to get cold again or something?
I just looked at the high for Sunday - it's only 68. Gasp.
Quoting CaneWarning:
I just looked at the high for Sunday - it's only 68. Gasp.


Lafayette, Purdue University Airport
Lat: 40.43 Lon: -86.93 Elev: 623
Last Update on Jan 29, 8:54 am EST

Fair

12 °F
(-11 °C)
Humidity: 70 %
Wind Speed: NE 3 MPH
Barometer: 30.49" (1033.7 mb)
Dewpoint: 4 °F (-16 °C)
Visibility: 10.00 mi.
666: Wow. The potential for up to a foot of snow for Hampton Roads? That doesn't happen often. Heck, they go whole winters without much more than a dusting...
Quoting leftovers:
looks like olga is making a mess of things near pt mcarther australia

Would you believe there is still Flood warnings and watches from TC Laurence that was twice a Cat 5 Cyclone in W.A, and dumped over 300mm of rain across northern parts or NSW and southern parts of QLD, Olga will bring another 50mm+ to most areas in QLD and 100mm+ to northern and western parts of NSW and even 50mm+ to parts of Vic.
Quoting tornadodude:


Lafayette, Purdue University Airport
Lat: 40.43 Lon: -86.93 Elev: 623
Last Update on Jan 29, 8:54 am EST

Fair

12 °F
(-11 °C)
Humidity: 70 %
Wind Speed: NE 3 MPH
Barometer: 30.49" (1033.7 mb)
Dewpoint: 4 °F (-16 °C)
Visibility: 10.00 mi.


You need to put that thermometer in an oven or something! :)
WRAL calling for .5-.75+" of frzing rain. Gonna be interesting.
Quoting AussieStorm:

Would you believe there is still Flood warnings and watches from TC Laurence that was twice a Cat 5 Cyclone in W.A, and dumped over 300mm of rain across northern parts or NSW and southern parts of QLD, Olga will bring another 50mm+ to most areas in QLD and 100mm+ to northern and western parts of NSW and even 50mm+ to parts of Vic.


Way to much rain... but doesn't that help cure the drought they were having?
Quoting largeeyes:
WRAL calling for .5-.75+" of frzing rain. Gonna be interesting.


Say goodbye to electricity.
A Plan and Argument to Modify Earth's Weather
a article by Brian Osburn
prepared especially for WeatherUnderground

Native Americans had a dance to create it, and Christians are notorious for praying for it. We've seeded clouds to make it, and there's even a science fair project to fabricate it. Yet even in 2010 when the arrogance of man's control over global climate has pinnacled, we cannot make it rain.

Of course, inclement weather such as rain is tied to a phenomenon in our atmosphere we simply call "a low pressure system." So it stands to reason that if man can create a low pressure system, he will have in fact created rain.

But really, how would one create a low pressure system? What key ingredient(s) would be required and how would one go about introducing the ingredient(s) into the air.

Believe it or not, the answer to this is quite simple. The key ingredient to the formation of low pressure systems is water vapor that works in tandem with air currents.

Okay, so how and where do we create water vapor? The where answer is again easy...the world's oceans. The how answer is the tricky part.

What would you do "vaporize" ocean water? One could have our current President talk underwater for an hour a day or more, that might work. No...seriously...how?

I think I have an answer. It involves high explosives and space-based lasers. Here's how it might work if we needed it to rain in say Southern California:

1) Run models until we can predict that the jet stream will dive down the California coast, much as it is does during a typical El Nino year. We need the models to be accurate 14 days out.

2) Once we have a cooperative jet stream, we evacuate specific areas of the Pacific Ocean where we could undertake the process.

3) Using high explosives, we detonate a vast area (say 20 square miles) of ocean near the surface in exact locations.

4) One at a time, we detonate a batch of ocean water in the area. At the exact instant of the blast, a space based high energy laser which has been targeted to the exact location of the blast is fired. As the water ascends from the explosion, the laser vaporizes all the airborne molecules. This is done in rapid succession...say perhaps two thousand explosions with targeted laser fire, all completed within 30 minutes.

The result could well be a low pressure system that gets caught up by the jet stream, continues to organize and gain strength, and brings rain to Southern California in a weeks time.

Now, for the argument.

WTH am I talking about??? Blow up the ocean and boil it as it rises into the air? Do you know what kind of power would be required to do such a thing? How dangerous the work would be? And do we even want to **** with the weather anyway?

What if the storm causes a mudslide and destroys a neighborhood? The people pulling such a stunt could have their butts sued off by trial lawyers!

What if someone slips and falls on the ice the storm deposits in the mountains? Same thing, right?

So does man keep his hands off the weather? Or do we use our technology to make it do what we want it to do, like happens in the 23rd century in "Star Trek?"

Perhaps the primitive methods will always work best for us.

Honey, break out the tom-tom! :)
Quoting AussieStorm:

Would you believe there is still Flood warnings and watches from TC Laurence that was twice a Cat 5 Cyclone in W.A, and dumped over 300mm of rain across northern parts or NSW and southern parts of QLD, Olga will bring another 50mm+ to most areas in QLD and 100mm+ to northern and western parts of NSW and even 50mm+ to parts of Vic.

How's that drought going? Can we assume it is going? Away?
Quoting CycloneOz:


Beam me up Scotty.
Honey, break out the tom-tom! :)



love ya Oz man! :)
Cane, that was what I was thinking with all the pine trees around here. I'm not convinced the ice gets this far south, though.
hi guys come and check out my new blog bye
708. IKE
AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MEMPHIS TN
932 AM CST FRI JAN 29 2010

.UPDATE...HAVE UPGRADED THE WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY ACROSS A
PORTION OF NORTH MISSISSIPPI...AND REMAINDER OF COUNTIES ACROSS
NORTH MISSISSIPPI TO A WINTER STORM WARNING THROUGH 12Z SATURDAY.
METAR OBSERVATIONS AND SPOTTER REPORTS ACROSS NORTH MISSISSIPPI
IN THE 60 TO 90 MINUTES HAVE BEEN IN THE FORM OF SLEET/FREEZING
RAIN. AT THIS TIME THINK...AREAS IN NORTH MISSISSIPPI HAVE THE
POTENTIAL TO RECEIVE BETWEEN ONE HALF TO THREE QUARTERS OF AN INCH
OF ICE ACCUMULATIONS THROUGH THIS EVENING.

Dang, that ice is gonna be rough. Glad I moved my trip to Atlanta to Saturday instead of this afternoon
No good news for Tampa and Gasparilla...

There is a small craft advisory for tomorrow, but you know there will still be thousands of boaters anyway.

The Tampa PD, and the Coast Guard have a meeting scheduled at 2 PM today to discuss.
Link
Good night Everyone, Stay safe.
Quoting tornadodude:
Dang, that ice is gonna be rough. Glad I moved my trip to Atlanta to Saturday instead of this afternoon


Is it going to be gone by the time you leave?
Quoting CaneWarning:
No good news for Tampa and Gasparilla...

There is a small craft advisory for tomorrow, but you know there will still be thousands of boaters anyway.

The Tampa PD, and the Coast Guard have a meeting scheduled at 2 PM today to discuss.
Link


Add to that the fact most boaters will be 'making merry with ye olde meade' during the invasion...
715. XLR8
Quoting IKE:
AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MEMPHIS TN
932 AM CST FRI JAN 29 2010

.UPDATE...HAVE UPGRADED THE WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY ACROSS A
PORTION OF NORTH MISSISSIPPI...AND REMAINDER OF COUNTIES ACROSS
NORTH MISSISSIPPI TO A WINTER STORM WARNING THROUGH 12Z SATURDAY.
METAR OBSERVATIONS AND SPOTTER REPORTS ACROSS NORTH MISSISSIPPI
IN THE 60 TO 90 MINUTES HAVE BEEN IN THE FORM OF SLEET/FREEZING
RAIN. AT THIS TIME THINK...AREAS IN NORTH MISSISSIPPI HAVE THE
POTENTIAL TO RECEIVE BETWEEN ONE HALF TO THREE QUARTERS OF AN INCH
OF ICE ACCUMULATIONS THROUGH THIS EVENING.




I hope it stays in north MS and does not come to central MS. But if it does at least I have gas heat.
Quoting PcolaDan:


Is it going to be gone by the time you leave?


doubt it, but we have a newer 4 wheel drive truck lol
Quoting AussieStorm:
TC OLGA IS BACK
What a strange storm system it is.Thanks for the updates Aussie.
Quoting tornadodude:


doubt it, but we have a newer 4 wheel drive truck lol


As I'm sure you well know though, nothing works on ice. Was just wondering though. Through middle Tennessee could be, uhhhh, challenging.
Quoting PcolaDan:


As I'm sure you well know though, nothing works on ice. Was just wondering though. Through middle Tennessee could be, uhhhh, challenging.


you underestimate us Indiana drivers haha but yeah, should be interesting, although I think the interstate will be the best bet by far
Quoting IKE:
And some will come on here and agree with him blaming the US for GW. Which will lead to more arguments and bans....get ready! he-he.
It is intresting because he agrees with the science and is also against the oil industrie from arab countrys. Which as pointed out here
http://thinkprogress.org/2010/01/13/foreign-oil-tea/
I wonder if anyone ever references this blog for any works
Ugh... another country plans manned space exploration while we back away from it...

India Plans Manned Space Mission
BTW, just for the record on the " no more a professional scientist in the field than I am" statement. :)

Dr. Glassman has a BS, MS, and PhD from the UCLA Engineering Department of Systems Science, specializing in electronics, applied mathematics, applied physics, communication and information theory. For more than half of three decades at Hughes Aircraft Company he was Division Chief Scientist for Missile Development and Microelectronics Systems Divisions, responsible for engineering, product line planning, and IR&D. Since retiring from Hughes, he has consulted in various high tech fields, including expert witness on communication satellite anomalies for the defense in Astrium v. TRW, et al, and CDMA instructor at Qualcomm. Lecturer, Math and Science Institutes, UCI. Member, Science Education Advisory Board. Author of Evolution in Science, Hollowbrook, New Hampshire, 1992, ISDN 0-89341-707-6. He is an expert modeler of diverse physical phenomena, including microwave and millimeter wave propagation in the atmosphere and in solids, ballistic reentry trajectories, missile guidance, solar radiation, thermal energy in avionics and in microcircuit devices, infrared communication, analog and digital signals, large scale fire control systems, diffusion, and electroencephalography. Inventor of a radar on-target detection device, and a stereo digital signal processor. Published A Generalization of the Fast Fourier Transform, IEEE Transactions on Computers, 1972. Previously taught detection and estimation theory, probability theory, digital signal processing.

L8R



Actually he doesn't have any scientific qualifications on climate change. No meteorology qualifications. No climatology qualifications or education. He is a missle designer. That's it.
Quoting tornadodude:
I wonder if anyone ever references this blog for any works


???? any works?
Quoting PcolaDan:


???? any works?


well like research papers, things like that
Dr. Masters blog has been referenced in a few books, as a source for describing weather events as they were happening, like Katrina.
Quoting tornadodude:
I wonder if anyone ever references this blog for any works


So far, I'm using two references from this blog in the book, Chasers, and they will be cited.

One was from June 2009 and the tragic story of the October 1945 PB4Y-2 Navy typhoon hunter and its crew.

The second is from this current blog!

MESOVORTEX!!!

That's mentioned for the first time at the end of Chapter 10...some 100 and so pages into the book.
Quoting tornadodude:


well like research papers, things like that


Oh, you mean like for papers on human behavior in a non face to face environment. ;)

Quoting StSimonsIslandGAGuy:
Actually he doesn't have any scientific qualifications on climate change. No meteorology qualifications. No climatology qualifications or education. He is a missle designer. That's it.


JF originally said: "He is no more a professional scientist in the field than I am."

This guy is physics. Those laws do apply across all fields of science. I do concur that this fellow has no formal climatological education, apparently, but seems well-equipped to handle the physics.

And, yes, is a bit closer to a professional scientist in the field than JF...
Quoting PcolaDan:


Oh, you mean like for papers on human behavior in a non face to face environment. ;)



LOL! :D
The Portlight Auction House is OPEN!!!!!!!!

:)
Quoting TampaTom:
Ugh... another country plans manned space exploration while we back away from it...

India Plans Manned Space Mission


I know. We're pathetic. The return-to-the-moon project has been scrapped.

Geez....
Glad to see that it is used, this blog is a great resource
Quoting StSimonsIslandGAGuy:
BTW, just for the record on the " no more a professional scientist in the field than I am" statement. :)

Dr. Actually he doesn't have any scientific qualifications on climate change. No meteorology qualifications. No climatology qualifications or education. He is a missle designer. That's it.


I would respectfully suggest that all scientific and engineering disciplines must have voice in the GW debate. Continuous discussions add clarification for all and moves the science forward. All minds are opened and more a better information becomes available for all. And yes, there will be on going discussions, discussions that will be fruitful for all.

However, some have less to offer than others as noted in this recent story;

" Bin Laden blasts US for climate change, calls for boycott of US goods, dollars

2 hours, 55 minutes ago

By Salah Nasrawi, The Associated Press

CAIRO, Egypt - Al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden has called for the world to boycott American goods and the U.S. dollar, blaming the United States and other industrialized countries for global warming, according to a new audiotape released Friday.
In the tape, broadcast in part on Al-Jazeera television, bin Laden warned of the dangers of climate change and says that the way to stop it is to bring "the wheels of the American economy" to a halt.
He blamed Western industrialized nations for hunger, desertification and floods across the globe, and called for "drastic solutions" to global warming, and "not solutions that partially reduce the effect of climate change."
Bin Laden has mentioned climate change and global warning in past messages, but the latest tape was his first dedicated to the topic. The speech, which included almost no religious rhetoric, could be an attempt by the terror leader to give his message an appeal beyond Islamic militants.
The al-Qaida leader also targeted the U.S. economy in the recording, calling for a boycott of American products and an end to the dollar's domination as a world currency.
"We should stop dealings with the dollar and get rid of it as soon as possible," he said. "I know that this has great consequences and grave ramifications, but it is the only means to liberate humanity from slavery and dependence on America."
He argued that such steps would also hamper Washington's war efforts in Afghanistan and Iraq.
The new message, whose authenticity could not immediately be confirmed, comes after a bin Laden tape released last week in which he endorsed a failed attempt to blow up an American airliner on Christmas Day."

Yikes !!
NOAA 26 Jan 2010 1430Z


Outlook for the Atlantic, Caribbean and the Gulf of Mexico

Hurricane Who Dat is predicted to make landfall on the Florida coast in the vicinity of Miami on 7 Feb 2010 at approximately 2200Z (5:00 PM EST). This extremely powerful hurricane is expected to produce damaging Shockey waves and a Category 5 Brees. Reports from shipping indicate that this unstoppable storm has blown a huge flock of Cardinals all the way to Arizona, and that it has sunk a replica Viking longboat, the Brettigfǻvren. Livestock, in particular young horses or colts, will be in severe danger of being decimated. Predictive damage estimates are unavailable at this time, but they are expected to be significant.

All interests in and near the Miami area are advised to prepare for a storm surge of catastrophic proportions as Hurricane Who Dat begins to arrive in approximately 10 days.

Next advisory 07 Feb 2010 at 0300Z (10:00 PM EST).
Extreme US winter signals climate change-report
Unpredictable snow could hurt resorts, local economies
* Variable snow-and-melt cycle challenges road maintenance

By Deborah Zabarenko, Environment Correspondent

WASHINGTON, Jan 28 (Reuters) - Extreme winter weather in the northern United States shows that climate change can have severe effects, even when it doesn't warm things up, the National Wildlife Federation reported on Thursday.

Climate change is expected to bring shorter, milder winters overall, but some U.S. areas will have more intense snows, with more disruption to such activities as skiing and ice fishing, which depend on predictable conditions, the report said.

"More oddball winter weather is terrible news for skiers," the federation's Chip Knight, a former U.S. Olympic slalom skier, told reporters.

Mountain snow sports that require reliable snow conditions provide about $66 billion to the U.S. economy; without them, local communities are vulnerable, Knight said.

He pointed to extreme efforts under way to get snow to sites at the Vancouver Winter Olympics as "a startling example of what's at stake."

In the northern United States, spring now arrives 10 to 14 days earlier than it did 20 years ago. However, some areas are expected to have more heavy snowfalls as winter storm tracks shift northward. For example, reduced ice cover on the Great Lakes is likely to result in more lake-effect snows.

Strange winter weather is likely to strain local budgets if overall milder winters are interrupted by heavy snowstorms that require snow removal and road maintenance, said Sheldon Drobot of the National Center for Atmospheric Research. Extreme variability from one winter to the next makes planning for maintenance difficult, he said.

The current season has offered sudden temperature swings that, among other things, stranded a flock of brown pelicans that failed to migrate south during a mild period in late fall. They're spending the winter indoors in Maryland after suffering frostbite, said the federation's Amanda Staudt, a climate scientist.

Cutting the greenhouse gas emissions that spur climate change is "an essential first step," Staudt said. However, she added that climate change is already occurring and must be dealt with.

"It's clear that we're already seeing some impacts and we need to start preparing for the new climate realities," she said. "We can't continue to plan based on what the historical trends have been."
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN2810491220100128?type=marketsNews
Man someone took a simple Who Dat quote and turned into a Discussion apparently..


I like it.
Pat....I watched R. Lee Ermey on "Locked and Loaded" while I was getting ready for work this AM...great way to start the day!

:)
China sea levels reach record high
The sea level in China late last year hit a record high for the past three decades, threatening the safety of thousands of people in the coastal areas, the national ocean agency said yesterday.

The average rise in sea level for the past three decades occurred at a rate of 2.6 mm a year, much higher than the average rate of 1.7 mm annually across the world, a report on the sea-level rise in China for 2009 released by the State Oceanic Administration (SOA) showed.

"Last year, the sea level was 8 mm higher than 2008 with the rise in sea level in Hainan Province reaching 113 mm, the highest across the country," Lin Shanqing, director of forecast and disaster relief department of the SOA, said yesterday.

Extreme weather like high temperatures and monsoons play an important role in the rise in sea level, Lin said.

In mid August last year, high temperatures hit most parts of southern China, causing the sea level in September to become about 180 mm higher than the previous year and pushing the oceanic temperature to 28.5 C, the second highest record in the past three decades, the report showed.

Experts estimate that the sea level, along the country's coastal areas, will keep rising and a maximum of 130 mm a year is very possible in the next three decades.

Full
http://www.china.org.cn/environment/2010-01/28/content_19320075.htm
Quoting NRAamy:
Pat....I watched R. Lee Ermey on "Locked and Loaded" while I was getting ready for work this AM...great way to start the day!

:)





Gunny stays motivated Amy.


...Oooh Rah!
So I went and volunteered at an elementary school yesterday afternoon, and the lady in charge gave me her business card and told me to email her, and she said that she liked the way I interacted with the kids, and liked that they responded to me ha so I got offered a job, not sure yet
that guy kills me! He's still an awesome shot!
746. XLR8
#738
That's a good one, I like it too.
tdude! that's awesome!!!!!!

:)
Quoting toontown:


I would respectfully suggest that all scientific and engineering disciplines must have voice in the GW debate. Continuous discussions add clarification for all and moves the science forward. All minds are opened and more a better information becomes available for all. And yes, there will be on going discussions, discussions that will be fruitful for all.

However, some have less to offer than others as noted in this recent story;

" Bin Laden blasts US for climate change, calls for boycott of US goods, dollars

2 hours, 55 minutes ago

By Salah Nasrawi, The Associated Press

CAIRO, Egypt - Al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden has called for the world to boycott American goods and the U.S. dollar, blaming the United States and other industrialized countries for global warming, according to a new audiotape released Friday.
In the tape, broadcast in part on Al-Jazeera television, bin Laden warned of the dangers of climate change and says that the way to stop it is to bring "the wheels of the American economy" to a halt.
He blamed Western industrialized nations for hunger, desertification and floods across the globe, and called for "drastic solutions" to global warming, and "not solutions that partially reduce the effect of climate change."
Bin Laden has mentioned climate change and global warning in past messages, but the latest tape was his first dedicated to the topic. The speech, which included almost no religious rhetoric, could be an attempt by the terror leader to give his message an appeal beyond Islamic militants.
The al-Qaida leader also targeted the U.S. economy in the recording, calling for a boycott of American products and an end to the dollar's domination as a world currency.
"We should stop dealings with the dollar and get rid of it as soon as possible," he said. "I know that this has great consequences and grave ramifications, but it is the only means to liberate humanity from slavery and dependence on America."
He argued that such steps would also hamper Washington's war efforts in Afghanistan and Iraq.
The new message, whose authenticity could not immediately be confirmed, comes after a bin Laden tape released last week in which he endorsed a failed attempt to blow up an American airliner on Christmas Day."

Yikes !!




This being the key statement of that article.

He argued that such steps would also hamper Washington's war efforts in Afghanistan and Iraq.



He is starting to loose and using cowardly war tactics to shift the pendulum in his direction.

What a coward he is.
Quoting NRAamy:
tdude! that's awesome!!!!!!

:)


thanks (:

played a game of football with about seven 12 year-olds yesterday, and of course, one was wearing a Yankees hat, and I had my Red Sox hat on :P
750. RMCF
Quoting tornadodude:
I wonder if anyone ever references this blog for any works

I chase storms to provide Fuel for Generators and you guys are much better than any other news sourse I have ever used. Usualy i am first on the ground and know what to expect and where the most damage is thanks to you guys.
751. code1
Re-post from the Portlight blog:

Just heard from Paul, and he asked that I convey news of the NBC piece. They taped at the warehouse in Atlanta for an hour and a half yesterday while goods were being loaded. Interview with him went very well.
Will NOT be on TV tonight. NBC is going to follow the story through to the landing, and distributing to the folks of Haiti through the Portlight contacts on the ground there. He was told he would get a day or two's notice as to when it would be broadcast, and that he would come to tell all when that happens.

Remember, no matter how small or how large the donation or any in kind offering, it's all good for those who have lost all. Support the mission of Portlight in any way you can please, you never know when the need will be in your back yard.
Quoting tornadodude:


you underestimate us Indiana drivers haha but yeah, should be interesting, although I think the interstate will be the best bet by far


Keep in mind though that the roads in the south do not get the same treatment as they do in Indiana. Also, you're putting yourself on the road with other who will try to drive in it and they haven't got a clue what they are doing.
Quoting code1:
Re-post from the Portlight blog:

Just heard from Paul, and he asked that I convey news of the NBC piece. They taped at the warehouse in Atlanta for an hour and a half yesterday while goods were being loaded. Interview with him went very well.
Will NOT be on TV tonight. NBC is going to follow the story through to the landing, and distributing to the folks of Haiti through the Portlight contacts on the ground there. He was told he would get a day or two's notice as to when it would be broadcast, and that he would come to tell all when that happens.

Remember, no matter how small or how large the donation or any in kind offering, it's all good for those who have lost all. Support the mission of Portlight in any way you can please, you never know when the need will be in your back yard.


I like the way Portlight is doing this. There are already many stories making their way to papers and tv newscasts about money being sent to Haiti and being squandered.
Check out the NBC evening News today at 5:30 pm CDT as Paul Timmons interview with Portlight may run this evening.
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756. code1
Quoting CaneWarning:


I like the way Portlight is doing this. There are already many stories making their way to papers and tv newscasts about money being sent to Haiti and being squandered.


I agree! Remember the fiasco of FEMA handing out VISA check cards instead of goods to NOLA residents after Katrina? Nothing there to purchase! Large charity organizations are doing a world of good there as well though. Haiti has a history of corruption though. It's what makes it great for the Haitian folks for Portlight, Lambi Fund, and other smaller charities. It's a MUCH needed niche that we fill.
758. code1
Something change in the last 15 minutes Pat? He had just called me and told me otherwise. Now, I am confused.
Dunno code,I was just going with what I know,..since it didnt run last evening,logicially I presumed it may run this evening as its Friday,and thats the last I heard,from Jeffs entry above.


Paul Timmons of Portlight is scheduled to appear on NBC Nightly News Thursday or Friday.
761. code1
Quoting Patrap:
Dunno code,I was just going with what I know,..since it didnt run last evening,logicially I presumed it may run this evening as its Friday,and thats the last I heard,from Jeffs entry above.


Paul Timmons of Portlight is scheduled to appear on NBC Nightly News Thursday or Friday./em>


Ahhh, I see. It did change then per Paul. Moving and flowing as needed. Will be heartwarming for all to really see their efforts going to those in need this way instead of just an interview IMO. I applaud NBC for following through.
Quoting tornadodude:
So I went and volunteered at an elementary school yesterday afternoon, and the lady in charge gave me her business card and told me to email her, and she said that she liked the way I interacted with the kids, and liked that they responded to me ha so I got offered a job, not sure yet


I taught reading at my daughter's elementary school when she was in First grade; they continued to use me until I couldn't take weekdays off anymore...at her graduation, at least 20 kids recognized me. There's someething very satisfying in helping kids...


Aid Distribution

A Marine with Battalion Landing Team, 3rd Battalion, 2nd Marine regiment hands humanitarian rations at an aid distribution site near a landing zone in Leogane, Haiti, Jan. 26. U.S. Marine Corps photo by Cpl. Bobbie A. Curtis
Haiti Relief Efforts »
Boone North Carolina:

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Tonight: Snow. The snow could be heavy at times. Low around 23. Light and variable wind. Chance of precipitation is 100%. New snow accumulation of 9 to 13 inches possible.

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Quoting Patrap:
Check out the NBC evening News today at 5:30 pm CDT as Paul Timmons interview with Portlight may run this evening.


last night i ran through my direct tv guide and i'm confused. i don't which nbc it is. any ideas? thanks!
Quoting Floodman:


I taught reading at my daughter's elementary school when she was in First grade; they continued to use me until I couldn't take weekdays off anymore...at her graduation, at least 20 kids recognized me. There's someething very satisfying in helping kids...


that's great! I just see myself as a big bro to them, since I have two little bros already ha
Quoting WaterWitch11:


last night i ran through my direct tv guide and i'm confused. i don't which one it is. any ideas? thanks!


Check with Presslord or floodman,,..as I havent a clue either.

Haiti’s Seaport Capacity Increases, Fraser Says

By Jim Garamone
American Forces Press Service
WASHINGTON, Jan. 28, 2010 – Conditions in earthquake-ravaged Port-au-Prince, Haiti, continue to improve day by day, but a tremendous need still exists, the commander of U.S. Southern Command said today. Video

Air Force Gen. Douglas Fraser also said U.S. military personnel have opened a seaport that is bringing in about 200 containers a day, and that he expects that capacity to more than double in the weeks ahead.

Southcom is in charge of the U.S. military’s humanitarian response effort in Haiti.

The United States now has more than 20,000 servicemembers in and around Haiti; 6,000 on the ground and the rest on vessels offshore, Fraser said.

“But those numbers only reflect those men and women who are actually in the theater,” Fraser added during a video teleconference from his headquarters in Miami. “There’s a lot of effort that's happening within Transportation Command and across the Department of Defense to support these efforts that are external to the theater.”

Twenty-three ships, more than 60 helicopters and more than 30 fixed-wing aircraft are in the area, the general said. Meanwhile, he said, demand for ramp space at Toussaint L’Overture International Airport at Port-au-Prince, the Haitian capital, has started to recede.

“The demand is now down about 20 percent from what it was,” Fraser said. “So we’re supporting roughly a hundred flights a day into the airport and another 80 to 100 helicopter flights operating in and out of there as we go along.”

The seaport in Port-au-Prince sustained tremendous damage in the original Jan. 12 earthquake, and more in the aftershocks that still continue. “The port is operating and has a roughly 200-container-a-day capacity going through it,” Fraser said.

One pier that the command was going to use sustained more damage and is now unusable, Fraser reported. “So we’re expanding into some of the other ports right there in the Port-au-Prince area to see what we can do there,” he said.

Medical treatment continues to be a U.S. priority. Medical personnel aboard the USNS Comfort, a hospital ship based in Baltimore, have seen more than 3,000 patients since it has arrived. Crews on other ships – the aircraft carrier USS Vinson, and amphibious ships USS Bataan and USS Nassau -- also treat a significant number of patients.

Yet, more hospital space is needed, the general said.

“One of the things we’re working to improve is the capacity for patients to recover,” Fraser said. “We don’t have enough capacity, with the hospitals being full, and so the joint task force is actively working to establish that facility.”

That hospital facility will house between 3,000 and 5,000 patients and will be built on 40 acres of land in Port-au-Prince.

The 82nd Airborne Division’s 2nd Brigade Combat Team and the 22nd and 24th Marine expeditionary units continue operations in their respective areas in Haiti. American forces have distributed almost 2 million bottles of water, and about 1.5 million rations. The command also has distributed 43,000 hand-cranked radios that can charge cell phones and supply a light in addition to letting Haitians tune in their favorite stations for news.

Coordination among U.S. government agencies, the United Nations effort and nongovernmental organizations continues to improve, the general said.

“The World Food Program will start a pretty big distribution effort here, which we will help support, in the next day,” Fraser said.

Opening the seaport will be key to the relief effort. Planes are important in getting aid quickly to an affected area, but ships carry the tonnage that alleviates a disaster. The command is working with U.S. Transportation Command officials to get the seaports up and working again.

“The containers that we are bringing in right now are from an over-the-shore capability, both a military capability as well as a commercially provided capability,” Fraser said. That’s about 200 containers a day now.

“Next week, we will bring in some additional joint logistics over-the-shore capability that will increase that capacity to 500 containers a day,” he said. In the middle of next month, the command will bring in additional military capacity for joint logistics over-the-shore that will increase that to about 800 containers per day.

The command continues to repair the south pier that was damaged in the most recent aftershock. Fraser estimated the repair will take eight to 10 weeks. The joint, over-the-shore capability will bridge the gap until the repairs to the regular piers are completed, he said.
Quoting Patrap:


Aid Distribution

A Marine with Battalion Landing Team, 3rd Battalion, 2nd Marine regiment hands humanitarian rations at an aid distribution site near a landing zone in Leogane, Haiti, Jan. 26. U.S. Marine Corps photo by Cpl. Bobbie A. Curtis
Haiti Relief Efforts »

It is very good to see such pictures.
Joint Task Force Organizes Haitian Airport

By Jim Garamone
American Forces Press Service
PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti, Jan. 28, 2010 – When a disaster strikes, people assume it should be easy to get relief supplies in.


But it’s not always a simple proposition. Can the airport’s runway support the weight of cargo aircraft? What is the security situation like? What equipment does the airport have for unloading and loading? How many people and the means to support and supply them will be needed?

All of these questions and more are in the realm of Joint Task Force Port Opening at Toussaint L’Overture International Airport here. The unit, operating under U.S. Transportation Command, opened the airport after the magnitude 7 earthquake that hit Haiti Jan. 12 and has been responsible for operations on the airport’s ramp since then.

The task force contains the Air Force’s 621st Contingency Response Group, from Joint Base McGuire-Dix-Lakehurst, N.J., and the Army’s 688th Transportation Detachment for rapid port opening from Fort Eustis, Va.

The disaster in Haiti marks the first time “the whole enchilada” has been used in an operation, said Air Force Col. Patrick Hollrah, the task force commander.

“Something of this magnitude takes the whole team to make it happen,” he said during a recent interview. “This is, unfortunately, what we were made to do. It is our job to respond to these.”

The unit was the second one on the ground after the Air Force Special Operations Command team. “[The special operations team] brought a special tactics team with them that was restoring order and starting to control the airflow in,” Hollrah said. “There were literally airplanes parked everywhere.”

The terminal building, while still standing, has cracks all through it and cannot be used.

Aircraft parked where they could and crews improvised the unloading process. That caused confusion beyond belief, the colonel said. Relief supplies got intermixed and trucks drove straight down the ramp to load supplies.

“We started working in tandem [with the Air Force special operations team] to get airplanes unloaded so they could get off the ramp to clear off parking spaces so more airplanes could come in,” Hollrah said.

It was a short time from order to execution, so the team surveyed the area on the flight down to Haiti and had an idea of how they wanted to set up the unit.

“The biggest challenge was the volume of air traffic, volume of vehicles and the volume of people on an airport ramp,” he said. “Anywhere else, a ramp is a restricted area. Not here.”

The unit is trying to get control of the safety and distribution parts of the equation, but it is slow going. “Eventually, we’ll get back to a point that improves safety and allows the traffic to flow where it needs to when it needs to,” Hollrah said. “It will also make the unloading and distribution process faster.”

Aerial port airmen unload the aircraft and move the goods off the ramp. Army vehicles take the goods and move them to a forward distribution node, about a mile away. “This opens up the ramp space and stops having trucks drive right on the ramp to pick up supplies,” said Army Maj. Vicky Snow, the 688th commander.

The soldiers stack the goods and, using rough-terrain forklifts, load trucks from governmental and nongovernmental agencies. By far, the most goods in the supply yard belong to the U.S. Agency for International Development, which is responsible for picking up the relief supplies and distributing them. That process is moving smoothly.

Nongovernmental agencies also pick up their goods at the yard, and this can be more of a problem. In one case, someone donated a plane to airlift supplies to the effort, and several organizations placed goods aboard it without tracking numbers, or even labels.

“Separating these out and ensuring they go to who they belong to can cause problems,” Snow said. “In other cases, they don’t have the right trucks to load with a forklift, so we have to break down the palettes and load [the vehicles] by hand. This takes time.”

These are small units. “We have all our people cross-trained, and everybody pitches in to ensure the mission gets done,” Hollrah said. “We’re a bridging force that can come in quickly to get the process started. Then we turn the responsibility over to government or non-governmental agencies.”

The unit not only handles supplies coming in, but also helps the State Department with refugees getting out.

“We have a high-volume evacuation of American citizens,” said Air Force Maj. Matt Jones, the task force’s operations officer. “We’ve been averaging 1,200 American citizens per day that have been getting on U.S. military and commercial aircraft and getting back home.”

Before the earthquake, the airport saw 30 flights on a busy day, and those were mostly during daylight. At its peak, since the disaster, the airport received 120 flights per day 24 hours a day. The most recent statistics show the airport has handled at least 12 million pounds of relief supplies, and this does not count critical supplies that medical and relief personnel brought with them.

The joint task force will continue until its services are no longer needed, Hollrah said, or until the mission is taken over by other organizations.
771. MTWX
Quoting CaneWarning:


Say goodbye to electricity.


Just called my brother at Little Rock AFB. He is a de-icer for the c-130's there. They shut down the base due to the focasted ice accumulations.
Quoting drg0dOwnCountry:

It is very good to see such pictures.


One can view many more here..defenseLINK
Quoting Patrap:


Check with Presslord or floodman,,..as I havent a clue either.


i don't want to bug them i know their busy. if i see floodman post on the blog i'll ask. thanks!
Quoting Floodman:


I taught reading at my daughter's elementary school when she was in First grade; they continued to use me until I couldn't take weekdays off anymore...at her graduation, at least 20 kids recognized me. There's someething very satisfying in helping kids...


Nice, I agree.. I dress up as my GG Great Grandfather.. like in my avatar, and go into the schools and do "living history" presentations. It works great because I "storytell" factual local pioneer history in the first person. They learn a TON of history, and I have a blast!.
Quoting Floodman:


I taught reading at my daughter's elementary school when she was in First grade; they continued to use me until I couldn't take weekdays off anymore...at her graduation, at least 20 kids recognized me. There's someething very satisfying in helping kids...



hi,
just wondering which nbc that portlight will be on? thanks! children will always remember when someone was there for them and the feeling that one gets from that is amazing!
Dat river is running high for this time of year...wonder if the spring melt will bring it much higher than normal. I really don't want the spillway opened up...

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Rising water in the Mississippi River will take river levels at Baton Rouge above flood stage in the next two weeks, according to forecasts from the National Weather Service River Forecast Center in Slidell.

River levels are expected to reach their peak - or crest - at 37 feet Feb. 12, according to the forecast.

Flood stage - the level at which water would top a river's natural banks without levees — at Baton Rouge is 35 feet. The levees protect the city up to 47 feet.

http://www.2theadvocate.com/news/83003042.html
777. code1
Quoting WaterWitch11:


last night i ran through my direct tv guide and i'm confused. i don't which nbc it is. any ideas? thanks!


I spoke not long ago with him waterwitch, it's confirmed. Paul himself will post here, and on the blog when it will run. Not sure on direct, but it will be nationally televised.
Quoting drg0dOwnCountry:
Extreme US winter signals climate change-report
Unpredictable snow could hurt resorts, local economies
* Variable snow-and-melt cycle challenges road maintenance

By Deborah Zabarenko, Environment Correspondent

WASHINGTON, Jan 28 (Reuters) - Extreme winter weather in the northern United States shows that climate change can have severe effects, even when it doesn't warm things up, the National Wildlife Federation reported on Thursday.

Climate change is expected to bring shorter, milder winters overall, but some U.S. areas will have more intense snows, with more disruption to such activities as skiing and ice fishing, which depend on predictable conditions, the report said.

"More oddball winter weather is terrible news for skiers," the federation's Chip Knight, a former U.S. Olympic slalom skier, told reporters.

Mountain snow sports that require reliable snow conditions provide about $66 billion to the U.S. economy; without them, local communities are vulnerable, Knight said.

He pointed to extreme efforts under way to get snow to sites at the Vancouver Winter Olympics as "a startling example of what's at stake."

In the northern United States, spring now arrives 10 to 14 days earlier than it did 20 years ago. However, some areas are expected to have more heavy snowfalls as winter storm tracks shift northward. For example, reduced ice cover on the Great Lakes is likely to result in more lake-effect snows.

Strange winter weather is likely to strain local budgets if overall milder winters are interrupted by heavy snowstorms that require snow removal and road maintenance, said Sheldon Drobot of the National Center for Atmospheric Research. Extreme variability from one winter to the next makes planning for maintenance difficult, he said.

The current season has offered sudden temperature swings that, among other things, stranded a flock of brown pelicans that failed to migrate south during a mild period in late fall. They're spending the winter indoors in Maryland after suffering frostbite, said the federation's Amanda Staudt, a climate scientist.

Cutting the greenhouse gas emissions that spur climate change is "an essential first step," Staudt said. However, she added that climate change is already occurring and must be dealt with.

"It's clear that we're already seeing some impacts and we need to start preparing for the new climate realities," she said. "We can't continue to plan based on what the historical trends have been."
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN2810491220100128?type=marketsNews


More Yikes

I agree that it is not appropriate for anyone (person or country) to soil their own nest - - with CO2 or anything else for that matter, but this finely crafted piece of "day time soaps reporting" adds nothing to a scientific debate.
It's your local broadcast NBC...the evening news comes on at 6:30....?? Man how times have changed.
Quoting indianrivguy:


Nice, I agree.. I dress up as my GG Great Grandfather.. like in my avatar, and go into the schools and do "living history" presentations. It works great because I "storytell" factual local pioneer history in the first person. They learn a TON of history, and I have a blast!.


It's fantastic...I loved it and it's one of things I miss from my daughter being younger
Quoting WaterWitch11:



hi,
just wondering which nbc that portlight will be on? thanks! children will always remember when someone was there for them and the feeling that one gets from that is amazing!


Hiya, kiddo! It will be NBC Nightly news with Brian Williams and likely Wed-Fri next week; they want to track our shipment from Atlanta all the way to a survivors hands
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