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A cool and snowy winter for the U.S.; severe weather hits Louisiana

By: Dr. Jeff Masters, 2:45 PM GMT on March 09, 2011

The winter of 2010 - 2011 is in the history books, and ranks as the 39th coldest winter for the U.S. in the 116-year historical record, according to statistics released this week by the National Climatic Data Center. The cooler-than-average weather was primarily due to Arctic air spilling southwards over the eastern 2/3 of the nation due to an unusually weak Arctic Oscillation. This natural pattern in the atmosphere (whose North Atlantic version is called the North Atlantic Oscillation) allows cold air to spill southwards over the Eastern U.S., Western Europe, and East Asia when low pressure over the Arctic weakens, and high pressure over the North Atlantic also weakens. The state most affected by this unusual winter pattern was Florida, which recorded its 10th coldest winter. No other states had a top-ten coldest or warmest winter.


Figure 1. The winter of 2010 - 2011 featured colder than average temperatures over many states in the eastern 2/3 of the country, with Florida suffering its 10th coldest winter in the 116-year record. Image credit: National Climatic Data Center.

Wet in the Upper Midwest, dry in the South
The winter of 2010 - 2011 featured very heavy precipitation over the Upper Midwest, with South Dakota and Montana recording top-ten wettest winters. The South and mid-Atlantic were very dry, with eight states experiencing top-ten driest winters. This pattern is a typical one for a La Niña winter, since the cooler than average waters off the Pacific coast of South America act to deflect the jet stream so that the preferred track for winter storms takes them to the north over the Upper Midwest. However, the Ohio Valley typically gets above average precipitation during a La Niña winter, and that did not happen this year. This is fortunate, since very heavy rains the past two weeks have inundated Ohio, Indiana, Kentucky, and Illinois, leading to moderate flooding on many rivers.


Figure 2. The winter of 2010 - 2011 featured very heavy precipitation over the Upper Midwest, with South Dakota and Montana recording top-ten wettest winters. Image credit: National Climatic Data Center.

A snowy winter for the U.S.
It was a very snowy winter for the contiguous U.S., with December, January, and February having the 7th, 5th, and 9th greatest snow extents in the 45-year record, respectively, according to the Rutgers Snow Lab. This is the 2nd consecutive very snowy winter in the U.S.; during the winter of 2009 - 2010, December, January, and February had the 1st, 7th, and 3rd greatest snow extents on record. However, an unusually early onset of spring over North America in 2010 led to April and May 2010 having the 4th lowest and 1st lowest snow extents on record for the U.S., and the snow extent numbers for North America were near average for the calendar year 2010 (Figure 3.)


Figure 3. Twelve-month running anomalies of monthly snow cover extent over Northern Hemisphere lands (including Greenland) as a whole and Eurasia and North America separately between November 1966 and December 2010. Anomalies are calculated from NOAA snow maps. Mean hemispheric snow extent is 25.0 million sq. km. for the full period of record. Monthly means for the period of record are used for 9 missing months between 1968 and 1971 in order to create a continuous series of running means. Missing months fall between June and October, no winter months are missing. Image credit: Rutgers Snow Lab.

Flooding concerns continue in the Upper Midwest
The heavy winter precipitation that hit the Upper Midwest primarily fell as snow, and recent snow water equivalent charts show that a wide swath of North Dakota, South Dakota, Minnesota, and Wisconsin have the equivalent of 4 - 6 inches of rain locked into their snowpack. If a sudden spring thaw with heavy rain occurs later this month or in early April, record or near-record flooding is likely. The latest long-range forecasts from the G FS model do not show such an event is likely to occur over the next two weeks, though. A continuation of winter-like weather over the region with below-average temperatures and light snow is expected during the coming week, with a several-day period of thawing the week of March 20. Significant melting the massive snowpack will not begin to occur until the week of March 20, at the earliest.

Tornadoes, severe thunderstorms hit the South
A strong cold front pushing across the nation's southern states has brought severe thunderstorms, and tornado warnings have been issued for Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama this morning. A tornado touched down in Bush, LA at 5:20am CDT today, injuring one person and destroying one trailer. High winds from a thunderstorm hit Slidell, LA, causing roof damage, downed trees, and power outages in the city. NOAA's Storm Prediction Center has placed the region in its "Slight Risk" region for potential severe weather. You can track the action today on our severe weather page.

Jeff Masters

Severe Weather Climate Summaries Winter Weather

The views of the author are his/her own and do not necessarily represent the position of The Weather Company or its parent, IBM.

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The weather is horrible here in Saraland,Al. I really dislike weather like this is scares me.

Sheri
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SEVERE WEATHER STATEMENT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MOBILE AL
848 AM CST WED MAR 9 2011

ALC003-097-091530-
/O.CON.KMOB.TO.W.0011.000000T0000Z-110309T1530Z/
BALDWIN AL-MOBILE AL-
848 AM CST WED MAR 9 2011

...A TORNADO WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 930 AM CST FOR SOUTH
CENTRAL MOBILE AND CENTRAL BALDWIN COUNTIES...

AT 844 AM CST.... THIS TORNADO WAS NEAR THEODORE...MOVING EAST AT 50
MPH. A CITIZEN HAS NOW REPORTED A TORNADO ON THE GROUND NEAR THE DOG
TRACK WITH VISIBLE DEBRIS SWIRLING AROUND IT.

THE TORNADO WILL BE NEAR...
MONTROSE...FAIRHOPE...DAPHNE AND HOUSTONVILLE AROUND 900 AM CST...
BELFOREST AROUND 905 AM CST...
SILVERHILL AND CLAY CITY AROUND 910 AM CST...
ROBERTSDALE...ROSINTON AND LOXLEY AROUND 915 AM CST...

A TORNADO WATCH REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL NOON CST WEDNESDAY FOR
SOUTHWESTERN ALABAMA AND NORTHWEST FLORIDA AND SOUTHEAST MISSISSIPPI.
America is bankrupt, but what is Charlie Sheen doing right now, that's very important to me and my family.
Quoting RitaEvac:
America is bankrupt, but what is Charlie Sheen doing right now, that's very important to me and my family.


haha

Pensacola,stay safe!
Quoting niederwaldboy:
Event

Indeed
We got sirens going off here in Saraland.

Sheri
Discovery's Payload Bay Doors are Closed
Wed, 09 Mar 2011 07:22:36 AM CST


Space shuttle Discovery’s payload bay doors are closed and everything continues to proceed on schedule for this morning’s landing attempt.

Weather currently is both forecast and observed “go.” Astronaut Rick Sturckow is flying weather reconnaissance at Kennedy Space Center, where winds are forecast to be high, but within limits for runway 15. Sturckow will fly runway approaches to assess conditions for Discovery’s landing. The winds from the southeast (130 degrees) are forecast to be 15 knots, peaking to 23 knots, providing a 10 knot crosswind and 21 knot headwind.

At this time, winds are only six knots, peaking to 12 knots. End of mission weather flight rules state that daylight crosswinds may not exceed 15 knots, headwinds may not exceed 25 knots and tailwinds may not exceed 15 knots. Also, peak winds may not be greater than 10 knots over the average wind.

At 8:22 a.m., Mission Control is expected to give a “go” for Discovery’s computers to begin running the Ops 3 entry software. At 8:52 a.m. a “go” is expected for crew suit up. The “go” for deorbit burn is expected by 10:32 a.m.

The deorbit burn is scheduled for 10:52:09 a.m. and will lead to a landing at 11:57:44.
Quoting catastropheadjuster:
The weather is horrible here in Saraland,Al. I really dislike weather like this is scares me.

Sheri

Up there where you are north of Mobile, the worst appears over, at least within the next hour. However, intermittent heavy downpours and flash flooding will remain an issue throughout the rest of the morning, as the NWS has a Flash Flood Warning out for the area.

Stay safe. You guys just can't seem to catch a break. It was only a few days ago we were in the same boat!
We have tornadoes and deadly weather coming in at the moment, please take precaution......

we have breaking news...... Charlie Sheen has posted another youtube video and lets check it out now folks and see what he has to say...
How's the hangover Pat

NASA Landing Blog


Runway Landing Aids Working Properly
Wed, 09 Mar 2011 08:59:51 AM CST

In Mission Control, weather CAPCOM Barry Wilmore has informed Flight Director Tony Ceccacci of Sturckow's latest reports from the runway. After completing two dives toward both ends of the runway, Sturckow observes light wind, light turbulence and nothing that could delay landing on the first opportunity. Additionally, his checks of the runway's Tactical Air Navigation System (TACAN) and Microwave Scanning Beam Landing System (MSBLS) are working as needed.



Looks like some bad weather headed our way in about another hour. Batten down the hatches!
Quoting Patrap:

NASA Landing Blog


Runway Landing Aids Working Properly
Wed, 09 Mar 2011 08:59:51 AM CST

In Mission Control, weather CAPCOM Barry Wilmore has informed Flight Director Tony Ceccacci of Sturckow's latest reports from the runway. After completing two dives toward both ends of the runway, Sturckow observes light wind, light turbulence and nothing that could delay landing on the first opportunity. Additionally, his checks of the runway's Tactical Air Navigation System (TACAN) and Microwave Scanning Beam Landing System (MSBLS) are working as needed.




Discovery will be entering the state over Sarasota/Bradenton if it makes it on orbit 202 (if it has to go around again, the path will bring it in directly over Houston, New Orleans, and Cedar Key). Too bad; I wouldn't mind hearing those double sonic booms again...
Awaiting Official 'Go/No-Go' for Deorbit Burn
Wed, 09 Mar 2011 09:26:08 AM CST

Less than 20 minutes away from the 10:52 a.m. deorbit burn, we're waiting on the official "go/no-go" from Flight Director Tony Ceccacci. That call is scheduled for 10:32 a.m., and the decision will be delivered up to the crew of Discovery by CAPCOM Charlie Hobaugh.
'Go' for Deorbit Burn
Wed, 09 Mar 2011 09:28:55 AM CST

Flight controllers earlier gave Flight Director Tony Ceccacci their go-ahead for the deorbit burn. Now it's official: Discovery will start the journey home to Kennedy Space Center beginning with deorbit burn at 10:52 a.m. Touchdown is expected at 11:57:26 a.m. Coming up, Commander Steve Lindsey will put Discovery in position for the burn.
LSR overview for NOLA-area NWS.

0450 AM TORNADO LACOMBE 30.31N 89.93W
03/09/2011 ST. TAMMANY LA LAW ENFORCEMENT

SLIDELL PD REPORTS TORNADO CROSSED I-12 AT LACOMBE EXIT.
DEBRIS ON INTERSTATE. ALSO TREES DOWN IN LACOMBE NEAR
HEART HOSPITAL ON 434 BLOCKING HIGHWAY.

0457 AM TORNADO LACOMBE 30.31N 89.93W
03/09/2011 ST. TAMMANY LA FIRE DEPT/RESCUE

ROOF OFF HOUSE.

0520 AM TORNADO 10 SW BUSH 30.51N 90.02W
03/09/2011 ST. TAMMANY LA EMERGENCY MNGR

*** 1 INJ *** TREES DOWN AND HOUSE DAMAGE NORTH OF
WALDHEIM. TRAILER DESTROYED. 1 INJURED.

0525 AM TSTM WND DMG PICAYUNE 30.53N 89.68W
03/09/2011 PEARL RIVER MS LAW ENFORCEMENT

TREES DOWN GOODYEAR BLVD IN PICAYUNE. POSSIBLE TORNADO...
SURVEYS THIS MORNING.

0612 AM TORNADO KENNER 29.98N 90.25W
03/09/2011 JEFFERSON LA TRAINED SPOTTER

METEOROLOGIST REPORTS RAIN WRAPPED TORNADO NEAR KENNER
MOVING INTO LAKE PONTCHARTRAIN.

0630 AM TSTM WND GST KENNER 29.98N 90.25W
03/09/2011 M77.00 MPH JEFFERSON LA ASOS

A 77 MPH WIND GUST WAS MEASURED AT NEW ORLEANS
INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT.

0630 AM FLASH FLOOD 2 E DESTREHAN 29.96N 90.34W
03/09/2011 ST. CHARLES LA EMERGENCY MNGR

MULTIPLE STREETS FLOODED. WATER IN 2 HOUSES.

0649 AM TSTM WND GST NEW ORLEANS 29.97N 90.08W
03/09/2011 M54.00 MPH ORLEANS LA ASOS

A THUNDERSTORM WIND GUST OF 54 MPH...OR 47 KNOTS...WAS
MEASURED AT NEW ORLEANS LAKEFRONT AIRPORT.

0712 AM FLASH FLOOD SLIDELL 30.28N 89.78W
03/09/2011 ST. TAMMANY LA AMATEUR RADIO

STANDING WATER REPORTED ON I-10 AT IRISH BAYOU. ALSO 3 TO
4 INCHES OF WATER IN THE ROAD OLD TOWN SLIDELL AT CITY
HALL.

0712 AM TSTM WND DMG SLIDELL 30.28N 89.78W
03/09/2011 ST. TAMMANY LA EMERGENCY MNGR

REPORTS OF DAMAGE IN SLIDELL. TREES DOWN. ROOF DAMAGE AND
POSSIBLY STRUCTURAL DAMAGE SUBDIVISIONS OF LAKE VILLAGE
LAKE WASHINGTON. POWER OUTAGES IN CITY.

0734 AM TSTM WND GST BELLE CHASSE 29.85N 90.00W
03/09/2011 M56.00 MPH PLAQUEMINES LA ASOS

KNBG - BELLE CHASE NAVAL AIR STATION - WIND GUST 49 KNOTS
OR 56 MPH.

0750 AM TSTM WND DMG LONG BEACH 30.36N 89.17W
03/09/2011 HARRISON MS LAW ENFORCEMENT

DAMAGE IN LANDON LAKES SUBDIVISION NORTH OF LONG BEACH.
POSSIBLE TORNADO... ROOF OF SHED AND TREES DOWN.

0750 AM FLASH FLOOD METAIRIE 30.00N 90.18W
03/09/2011 JEFFERSON LA PUBLIC

WATER OVERFLOWING BANKS OF CANAL BETWEEN WEST NAPOLEON
AND SEVERN.

0750 AM FLASH FLOOD MADISONVILLE 30.40N 90.16W
03/09/2011 ST. TAMMANY LA AMATEUR RADIO

WATER OVER VISTA ROAD.

0810 AM TSTM WND DMG BILOXI 30.42N 88.93W
03/09/2011 HARRISON MS LAW ENFORCEMENT

POSSIBLE TORNADO ON CEDAR LAKE ROAD NORTH OF I-10.
TRAILER PARK HAS DAMAGE INCLUDING TRAILERS TIPPED OVER.
Still debating this in mine own head...



According to a NWS person on WWL radio (didn't catch whom, exactly), ~5 inches fell in ~30 minutes on the southshore, causing significant street flooding.

If the ob site recorded/reported at the right interval, maybe it did actually measure that. It sure was a damned hard rain, but...


MESOSCALE DISCUSSION 0214
NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
0931 AM CST WED MAR 09 2011

AREAS AFFECTED...FAR SRN AL...FL PANHANDLE...COASTAL PARTS OF MS/FAR
SERN LA...AND SWRN GA

CONCERNING...TORNADO WATCH 46...47...

VALID 091531Z - 091630Z

THE SEVERE WEATHER THREAT FOR TORNADO WATCH 46...47...CONTINUES.

THREATS FOR BOTH TORNADOES AND DAMAGING WINDS CONTINUE FROM COASTAL
PARTS OF FAR SERN LA AND MS INTO SWRN-SRN AL...WITH ACTIVITY QUICKLY
APPROACHING THE WRN FL PANHANDLE. IN ADDITION TO THE SEVERE WEATHER
THREAT...HEAVY RAINFALL RATES /EXCEEDING 1 INCH PER HOUR/ CAN BE
EXPECTED ALONG WITH TRAINING OF STORMS ACROSS THE COASTAL AREA OF
THE CENTRAL GULF COAST. THIS WILL BE ESPECIALLY LIKELY WHERE THE
LINE OF TSTMS BECOMES ORIENTED E-W.

REGIONAL RADAR IMAGERY INDICATED THE WELL DEFINED QLCS STRUCTURE
EXTENDING FROM SOUTH CENTRAL AL SWWD TO COASTAL AREAS OF MS AND FAR
SERN LA...WITH THE LINE MOVING EWD AT 40 KT. AREA VWP INDICATED
VERY STRONG LOW LEVEL SHEAR /0-1 KM SRH 300-400 M2 PER S2/...WHILE
EFFECTIVE BULK SHEAR /EXCEEDING 50 KT/ ALONG THE QLCS SUPPORTS BOTH
THE LINEAR STRUCTURE AND EMBEDDED SUPERCELLS. OBJECTIVE ANALYSES
SHOWED THE AIR MASS DOWNSTREAM CONTINUES TO MOISTEN/DESTABILIZE
ESPECIALLY ACROSS THE FL PANHANDLE AND INTO FAR SERN AL. THESE
FACTORS SUPPORT A CONTINUED THREAT FOR BOTH TORNADOES...SOME STRONG
AND LONG-LIVED...AND DAMAGING WINDS WITH BOWING STRUCTURES...

PETERS.. 03/09/2011
From Mobile near Schiller Road and Old Pascagoula Rd this AM.

AMY!!!!!!

Gonna get real wet here soon. Maybe up to 3 inches of rain. No severe though, that is good.
what happened to my avatar? where did my hippo run off to now?!
Atmo~ we've seen that sort of rainfall in other parts of the world the last few months a few times. Crazy but not impossible anymore.

Spathy~ check out the end of the last blog. Wolk up & got my final thoughts in after the blog changed.
Skye... I just wanted to tell you that I am always impressed with your weather knowledge.... thank you for being so gracious in the way you post on here.... I don't think I have ever seen you post an unkind word about anyone... you exude class...

Currently 8 tornado warning up in MS, AL and FL Panhandle.
Lightning? Where? ;)

Quoting SQUAWK:
Currently 8 tornado warning up in MS, AL and FL Panhandle.


Definitely turning into a pretty potent squall line across the Central/Eastern Gulf Coast.
Quoting PcolaDan:
Lightning? Where? ;)

That's what woke me up at ~6 this am.
Quoting NRAamy:
Skye... I just wanted to tell you that I am always impressed with your weather knowledge.... thank you for being so gracious in the way you post on here.... I don't think I have ever seen you post an unkind word about anyone... you exude class...

Wholeheartedly agree.
UGLY - JUST PLAIN UGLY

SEVERE WEATHER STATEMENT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MOBILE AL
1005 AM CST WED MAR 9 2011

ALC003-FLC033-113-091630-
/O.CON.KMOB.TO.W.0018.000000T0000Z-110309T1630Z/
BALDWIN AL-ESCAMBIA FL-SANTA ROSA FL-
1005 AM CST WED MAR 9 2011

...A TORNADO WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 1030 AM CST FOR SOUTHERN
SANTA ROSA...CENTRAL ESCAMBIA AND EXTREME SOUTHEASTERN BALDWIN
COUNTIES...

AT 957 AM CST.... THESE TORNADO PRODUCING STORMS WERE ALONG A LINE
EXTENDING FROM 9 MILES NORTHWEST OF MILTON TO PACE TO FERRY PASS TO
MYRTLE GROVE...MOVING EAST AT 45 MPH.



TORNADO PRODUCING STORMS WILL BE NEAR...
WHITING FIELD...POINT BAKER...GALT CITY AND MILTON AROUND 1010 AM
CST...
WARD BASIN...ROEVILLE...PINE BLUFF AND INDIAN FORD AROUND 1015 AM
CST...
BROXSON AND ORIOLE BEACH AROUND 1020 AM CST...

IN ADDITION TO THE TORNADO...WIND GUSTS AS HIGH AS 70 MPH WILL
OCCUR. QUARTER SIZED HAIL WAS REPORTED TO BE FALLING WITH THESE
STORMS NEAR 10 MILE ROAD NORTH OF PENSACOLA AROUND 10 AM CST.

A TORNADO WATCH REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL NOON CST WEDNESDAY FOR
SOUTHWESTERN ALABAMA AND NORTHWEST FLORIDA AND SOUTHEAST MISSISSIPPI.
Quoting atmoaggie:
That's what woke me up at ~6 this am.


Luckily between bus runs today.

Wholeheartedly agree.


As do I. A class act.
I'm watching the Tallahassee-Big Bend region right now as latest radar imagery is showing some possible discrete storm cells forming well in advance of the squall line. You can see them clearly near Panama City coming into the Big Bend area.



In severe weather events like these, discrete cells are the most concerning as they have the greatest potential to produce not only tornadoes, but strong ones at that.
Shuttle is entering the atmosphere over the south Pac, Mach 5, 17,000 miles an hr.
Mach 25 is 17,500 mph


Entry interface at 400,000 ft


Yikes it just turned black as midnight here. Not raining - very spooky.
Quoting Skyepony:
Shuttle is entering the atmosphere over the south Pac, Mach 5, 17,000 miles an hr.

Someone is going to have to issue Discovery a speeding ticket. ;)

Honestly though, God speed to them, and I hope they make it through the next 30 mins or so safely.

And Skye, I have to back up what many others have said, about you being a class act. I've seen some very classy people get a bit irritated with others, but you seem immune to that, and are ALWAYS nice to everyone. Wow.
Good weather for Discovery to land today, a little windy here in Jax today. The people in sarasota should have a good show in about 20 minutes, gonna hear some booms!

Range to Kennedy: 3,200 Miles
Wed, 09 Mar 2011 10:33:45 AM CST

Discovery is flying at 16,700 miles per hour, or Mach 24. Range to Kennedy Space Center is 3,200 miles.
Landing at 11:57am

#
Landing Update: 2,640 Miles to Touchdown
Wed, 09 Mar 2011 10:36:34 AM CST

Discovery's speed now is 16,000 miles per hour at an altitude of 46 miles. Its wings are banked 74 degrees to the right and the spacecraft is dropping at a rate of 70 feet per second.

Quoting Patrap:
#
Landing Update: 2,640 Miles to Touchdown
Wed, 09 Mar 2011 10:36:34 AM CST

Discovery's speed now is 16,000 miles per hour at an altitude of 46 miles. Its wings are banked 74 degrees to the right and the spacecraft is dropping at a rate of 70 feet per second.



Would be kind of cool if they got pictures of this storm as they pass over. I suspect they a little busy though. ;)
"Roger" the Busy,,Dan
prayers up, that's a hot fast bumpy ride
Did some quick math: by the time it comes to a full stop at KSC, Discovery will have been in space for a total of 365 days (that is, one full year), and will have flown a total of 148,221,675 miles. To put that into perspective, if you had started driving at 60 miles per hour the day the Treaty of Seville was signed (in November of 1729), and had been able to maintain that speed 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, and 52 weeks of the year non-stop since then, you'd still have about eight more months of driving to do before you'd have logged as many miles as Discovery has flown.

Awesome.

(Yes, I know, a particle of light can cover that same distance in about 13 and a half minutes, but that's still a long ways...)
Cool storm in the Atlantic. Looks a little like a hurricane losing tropical characteristics.
Discovery bringing um Home,,on Energy on Time.

Energy,ground track and Nav are GO !

Discovery now in view of Long range Cams

NASA TV
Runway in Sight, Houston

Wheels down!

Welcome home, Discovery!

(Thanks for the link to NASA TV, Patrap!)
YAY!!!!

how many shuttle landings have I shared with loved ones here...
It is always amazing when you start thinking about it what goes into a shuttle landing. It is a completely unpowered glider coming in to land - perfectly - on the first pass after traveling tens of thousands of miles. WOW.

The only man-made thing more amazing to me is the shuttle liftoff... 6 MILLION pounds of thrust is no joke.
57. hydrus !!! look like a hurricane to me!!
Wunderful!
My mother watched on her new computer (she's 90) with some coaching from me and links from Patrap
Quoting jasoniscoolman2011:
57. hydrus !!! look like a hurricane to me!!
Little bit...
Indeed, Discovery has been the Fleet Workhorse for decades.

After 39 flights,2 that returned America to Space after Losses of Challenger and Columbia,,we give a Heavy Hearted thank you to her Builders,,crew's and especially those who have maintained her and it's systems for all those Wunderful years.


Thank You Discovery for your service to America and the Final Frontier.


Hail reported just west side of Pensacola and along Alabama coast.
TORNADO WARNING
ALC003-FLC033-113-091815-
/O.NEW.KMOB.TO.W.0021.110309T1714Z-110309T1815Z/

BULLETIN - EAS ACTIVATION REQUESTED
TORNADO WARNING
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MOBILE AL
1114 AM CST WED MAR 9 2011

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN MOBILE HAS ISSUED A

* TORNADO WARNING FOR...
SOUTHEASTERN ESCAMBIA COUNTY IN NORTHWEST FLORIDA...
THIS INCLUDES THE CITIES OF...WEST PENSACOLA...WARRINGTON...
PENSACOLA...MYRTLE GROVE...GOULDING...BRENT...BELLVIEW...
SOUTHEASTERN SANTA ROSA COUNTY IN NORTHWEST FLORIDA...
THIS INCLUDES THE CITY OF GULF BREEZE...
SOUTHEASTERN BALDWIN COUNTY IN SOUTHWEST ALABAMA...
THIS INCLUDES THE CITY OF ORANGE BEACH...

* UNTIL 1215 PM CST

* AT 1113 AM CST...NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DOPPLER RADAR INDICATED A
LINE OF SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS CAPABLE OF PRODUCING A TORNADO ALONG A
LINE EXTENDING FROM MYRTLE GROVE TO ORANGE BEACH TO 12 MILES SOUTH
OF ORANGE BEACH...MOVING EAST AT 40 MPH.

* TORNADO PRODUCING STORMS WILL BE NEAR...
WEST PENSACOLA...BRENT AND WARRINGTON AROUND 1120 AM CST...
GOULDING AND PENSACOLA AROUND 1125 AM CST...
GULF BREEZE AROUND 1140 AM CST...
This does not look good! Still isn't raining here yet. I can hear the thunder.
Quoting Neapolitan:
Did some quick math: by the time it comes to a full stop at KSC, Discovery will have been in space for a total of 365 days (that is, one full year), and will have flown a total of 148,221,675 miles. To put that into perspective, if you had started driving at 60 miles per hour the day the Treaty of Seville was signed (in November of 1729), and had been able to maintain that speed 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, and 52 weeks of the year non-stop since then, you'd still have about eight more months of driving to do before you'd have logged as many miles as Discovery has flown.

Awesome.

(Yes, I know, a particle of light can cover that same distance in about 13 and a half minutes, but that's still a long ways...)


Would that be in an electric car or regular one?
Quoting Patrap:
Indeed, Discovery has been the Fleet Workhorse for decades.

After 39 flights,2 that returned America to Space after Losses of Challenger and Columbia,,we give a Heavy Hearted thank you to her Builders,,crew's and especially those who have maintained her and it's systems for all those Wunderful years.


Thank You Discovery for your service to America and the Final Frontier.



I second that motion!

It is definitely sad that the shuttle fleet is retiring. So many new discoveries and research advancements came because of the shuttle program, and it is a travesty that while the shuttles are being retired, there isn't even a viable replacement on the horizon. Yes, the program is extremely expensive, and based largely on 20-30 year old technology, but before you take space transport away from the country, you have to get a replacement in the works. (its like telling someone their 30-year old truck that still runs has to be junked, but they can't get financing for a new truck until 5 years from now)
Quoting NRAamy:
Skye... I just wanted to tell you that I am always impressed with your weather knowledge.... thank you for being so gracious in the way you post on here.... I don't think I have ever seen you post an unkind word about anyone... you exude class...



Why Amy, that is about the nicest compliment I have ever seen on here. Skye, I am sure appreciates that, but so do many of us as well. You get an A+ for that and I won't keep you after class anymore.
Gro... does that mean I don't have to write "I will not post SQUAWK on the main blog" 100 times on the chalkboard?
does anyone know the potential for a very busy hurricane season this coming summer? Is it the case that the la nina effect has strengthened since last fall?
Wicked weather rips apart businesses

Food World manager reported it sounded more like an earthquake. Everything started shaking and goods started flying off the shelf. Only minor injuries reported in the whole area.

Silverhill area hit pretty hard.
Quoting NRAamy:
Gro... does that mean I don't have to write "I will not post SQUAWK on the main blog" 100 times on the chalkboard?


I would never make you do that. Look at this blob!

If KEEPER were here, he could show us "The Big Picture" bad looking system.

hi amy

yeah skye is a class act

and that blob will be nuthin' nore than a sneeze by the time it gets to me

Ya'll remember where I am, right?

hi gro! seize the carp, eat carp every day, or something like that
Quoting PcolaDan:
Wicked weather rips apart businesses

Food World manager reported it sounded more like an earthquake. Everything started shaking and goods started flying off the shelf. Only minor injuries reported in the whole area.

Silverhill area hit pretty hard.
That Food World is what's in the pic in post 30.
Gro, I'm looking at that blob from below.

Quoting Patrap:
Indeed, Discovery has been the Fleet Workhorse for decades.

After 39 flights,2 that returned America to Space after Losses of Challenger and Columbia,,we give a Heavy Hearted thank you to her Builders,,crew's and especially those who have maintained her and it's systems for all those Wunderful years.


Thank You Discovery for your service to America and the Final Frontier.


was it worth it? not sure. i dont understand why they changed to a new vehicle about 30 yrs ago. they had a proven system . i guess they wanted to be like spock.
Quoting aquak9:
hi amy

yeah skye is a class act

and that blob will be nuthin' nore than a sneeze by the time it gets to me

Ya'll remember where I am, right?

hi gro! seize the carp, eat carp every day, or something like that
At least you didn't typo "carp"...
;-)
Quoting atmoaggie:
That Food World is what's in the pic in post 30.

That's the one. Guy said it just got real dark real quick then everything just started shaking like crazy. Everyone ran out of the aisles and dove for cover, whatever that may be in a grocery store. Me? I would have been curled up on the floor in a ball. :)
Would that be in an electric car or regular one?

Don't be silly. Everyone knows electricity wasn't invented until Thomas Edison.
Quoting atmoaggie:
At least you didn't typo "carp"...
;-)


Funny, atmo, I was going to say the same thing to you after that Argos remark this morning. LOL Grothar doesn't miss anything. Anyone who can quote Horace, can't be all bad.
My daughter is riding on a charter bus and they are just east of Pensacola and getting bad rain. Can you say this mom is paniced!
Quoting tuckernpurrs:
Would that be in an electric car or regular one?

Don't be silly. Everyone knows electricity wasn't invented until Thomas Edison.


And another thing, I don't think they had gas stations in 1729. Don't know what Nea could have been thinking.
Quoting atmoaggie:
At least you didn't typo "carp"...
;-)


honestly, I considered it...
Quoting PcolaDan:
Gro, I'm looking at that blob from below.



Sorry, didn't even consider that. Stay safe. How bad is it? Looks damn nasty on the radar.
Quoting aquak9:


honestly, I considered it...


Thanks aqua! :P
The booms weren't so loud with the clouds, could feel them all the same.

Thanks ya'll. I'm O-, the universal donor.. I get along with about anyone on some level. Each of ya'll entertain & amuse me in some way. Spathy & I are garden friends in other wunderblogs. We both do enjoy the occasional debate.
Black sky on Navarre Beach and raining VERY hard...

Quoting Patrap:
Indeed, Discovery has been the Fleet Workhorse for decades.

After 39 flights,2 that returned America to Space after Losses of Challenger and Columbia,,we give a Heavy Hearted thank you to her Builders,,crew's and especially those who have maintained her and it's systems for all those Wunderful years.


Thank You Discovery for your service to America and the Final Frontier.

+1000



Local storm reports from southern AL. Several tornado reports. Unknown number of destroyed homes.
Quoting Grothar:


Sorry, didn't even consider that. Stay safe. How bad is it? Looks damn nasty on the radar.


No need to apologize, it's nature. :)
As ugly as I've seen in a long time. Had some close lightning strikes, but no power loss here. Been some cool clouds as it was rolling in. Got under cover as the lightning got close. Stood in my garage watching it all (and listening) for a bit until a bolt hit too close for comfort. Most has passed us now.
BTW...what is "snowly"?
The last 00z run of the NAM did an excellent job in depicting the line strong/severe thunderstorms moving through the Southeast.

NAM 00z 18hr forecast:


Southeast Weather Radar:
Quoting Drakoen:
The last 00z run of the NAM did an excellent job in depicting the line strong/severe thunderstorms moving through the Southeast.

NAM 00z 18hr forecast:


Southeast Weather Radar:


Looks like NAM's crystal ball was working today. (actually, the NAM has been very solid for local forecasts here in the Houston area all winter)
Quoting Drakoen:
The last 00z run of the NAM did an excellent job in depicting the line strong/severe thunderstorms moving through the Southeast.

NAM 00z 18hr forecast:


Southeast Weather Radar:


Thats a pretty remarkable comparison. The NAM usually does a good job with systems like these, but this is pretty impressive.
Quoting jeffs713:


Looks like NAM's crystal ball was working today. (actually, the NAM has been very solid for local forecasts here in the Houston area all winter)


The NAM is a great model to use out to 48 hours ago. It can accurately depict the mesoscale features, given the models high-resolution, that global models cannot pick up on.
Quoting jeffs713:

I second that motion!

It is definitely sad that the shuttle fleet is retiring. So many new discoveries and research advancements came because of the shuttle program, and it is a travesty that while the shuttles are being retired, there isn't even a viable replacement on the horizon. Yes, the program is extremely expensive, and based largely on 20-30 year old technology, but before you take space transport away from the country, you have to get a replacement in the works. (its like telling someone their 30-year old truck that still runs has to be junked, but they can't get financing for a new truck until 5 years from now)


What was wrong with solid rocket boosters? Much, much cheaper, and look at the loss of life (human) incurred with the shuttle program.
Quoting Drakoen:


The NAM is a great model to use out to 48 hours ago. It can accurately depict the mesoscale features, given the models high-resolution, that global models cannot pick up on.
Yep. I've noticed that it tends to have problems during the summer here (at least, it did last year), but the rest of the year, it is pretty solid.

Then again, during the summer, there isn't much in the way of forcing to touch off a storm. Storms during the summer touch off near-randomly, without much in the way of a causative agent (aside from the fact that the sun is shining, and it is a day that ends in "y"). Yeah, we get shortwaves through here pretty consistently, but there is almost always a 20% POP.
ALERT:

SEVERELY GOOD WEATHER UPDATE


77.8 °F

Feels Like 80 °F

Mostly Sunny

10% chance of showers
Eastern edge of the system coming into Macon at this time.
Just mild thunderstorm conditions up here.
Looks like the real energy is coming through the panhandle.

Quoting Cochise000:


What was wrong with solid rocket boosters? Much, much cheaper, and look at the loss of life (human) incurred with the shuttle program.

Solid boosters are great, as long as the o-rings are maintained (which they are now). The issue is, and always has been, the crew & cargo module. We have oodles of technology to get a vehicle into orbit. Just what vehicle?
Quoting RTLSNK:
Eastern edge of the system coming into Macon at this time.
Just mild thunderstorm conditions up here.
Looks like the real energy is coming through the panhandle.



Besides the tornadoes, we have been having over 5000 lightning strike per half hour. Better than a defibrillator for kick starting the heart. :)
I highly recommend bookmarking this site for NAM. It contains plethora of graphics for the NAM that are aesthetically nice to look at and very detailed as well. For example this image from the WRF-NMM:

That is excellent, thanks Drakoen!

Quoting Drakoen:
I highly recommend bookmarking this site for NAM. It contains plethora of graphics for the NAM that are aesthetically nice to look at and very detailed as well. For example this image from the WRF-NMM:

Quoting jeffs713:

Solid boosters are great, as long as the o-rings are maintained (which they are now). The issue is, and always has been, the crew & cargo module. We have oodles of technology to get a vehicle into orbit. Just what vehicle?


A smaller craft with substantial payload capabilities that could be carried by a 747-100 then release it and engage rocket boosters would be efficient..

Is that possible?
113. flsky
Quoting Surfcropper:
ALERT:

SEVERELY GOOD WEATHER UPDATE


77.8 °F

Feels Like 80 °F

Mostly Sunny

10% chance of showers

Too bad we don't know where this is....
Umm, I knew there was wind to be had, but wow, it takes a lot to break a substantial oak. Those usually uproot, rather than snap. (At least around here, they do).



On second look, maybe it's a maple.

Quoting flsky:

Too bad we don't know where this is....


Somewhere south of the squall line,,,

Sunny South Florida, USA
Quoting atmoaggie:
Umm, I knew there was wind to be had, but wow, it takes a lot to break a substantial oak. Those usually uproot, rather than snap. (At least around here, they do).


It's not a White, perhaps a Cherrybark Oak or Southern Red? Nonetheless, an oak is an oak. Wow.
@ 114:

A Maple is no joke either. One of the strongest hardwoods as well.
Quoting atmoaggie:
Umm, I knew there was wind to be had, but wow, it takes a lot to break a substantial oak. Those usually uproot, rather than snap. (At least around here, they do).



On second look, maybe it's a maple.



That a Ford or a Chevy?
Quoting atmoaggie:
Still debating this in mine own head...



According to a NWS person on WWL radio (didn't catch whom, exactly), ~5 inches fell in ~30 minutes on the southshore, causing significant street flooding.

If the ob site recorded/reported at the right interval, maybe it did actually measure that. It sure was a damned hard rain, but...


My gosh, that is incredible!

Dang! It is possible, but its hard to imagine rain that heavy is possible without having PW's above 2.00 inches
Quoting cat5hurricane:

It's not a White, perhaps a Cherrybark Aak or Southern Red? Nonetheless, an oak is an oak. Wow.
I can't say it isn't a maple. Most of those have yet to start sprouting their leaves. Most any oak in that area is going to be a live oak...evergreen.

And a familiar scene from NOLA (in one of the lowest spots):


The rain was simply more (and fell so quickly) than the pumps could move. They've caught up already, I expect. (This happens every few years, at best.)

No one's pumping system can handle ~5 inches in 30 minutes.
Quoting cat5hurricane:
@ 114:

A Maple is no joke either. One of the strongest hardwoods as well.
Our red maples do tend to snap under duress. Much more easily than the live oaks.
heard the double sonic boom on siesta key here in sarasota,loooud!!!!,im going to upload a video to you tube,i was able to record the boom(couldnt see the shuttle even though it was clear out???)
Quoting Jedkins01:


My gosh, that is incredible!

Dang! It is possible, but its hard to imagine rain that heavy is possible without having PW's above 2.00 inches
Almost 9 inches per hour rainfall rate...

I thought it a bit astounding and unbelievable at first. Not so sure it isn't possibly correct, now, tho.
Quoting atmoaggie:
Umm, I knew there was wind to be had, but wow, it takes a lot to break a substantial oak. Those usually uproot, rather than snap. (At least around here, they do).



On second look, maybe it's a maple.



Was this by your place? Dang, sounds like you had some nasty down bursts, unfortunately for me, not expecting weather that exciting with the cold front here in Central Florida. There will be plenty of moisture in place, but that's about it, the upper disturbance and its energy will be long gone by he time it arrives.
Two witnesses recount Slidell tornado

Posted on Wednesday, March 9, 2011 11:29AM

Amanda Trosclair and Marcia Jorgenson tell what they heard and saw of a tornado that touched town in Slidell Wednesday, March 9, 2011.


Quoting Surfcropper:


That a Ford or a Chevy?
Umm, definitely a Chevy. Why?
Quoting Jedkins01:


Was this by your place? Dang, sounds like you had some nasty down bursts, unfortunately for me, not expecting weather that exciting with the cold front here in Central Florida. There will be plenty of moisture in place, but that's about it, the upper disturbance and its energy will be long gone by he time it arrives.
That's ~15 miles from home. 4 miles from work.

Was a small nado. See Pat's Vid. (same event)
Buy a NOAA Weather Alert Radio or 2 and give one to a Neighbor or Friend.

Quoting Surfcropper:


A smaller craft with substantial payload capabilities that could be carried by a 747-100 then release it and engage rocket boosters would be efficient..

Is that possible?


That's like X-33 & 34. They went to launching them off Atlas. A X-37B went up the other day. Smaller craft costs the crew space but it's got a decent payload.

The SpaceX Dragon test, I think end of last year, went really good. It carries people & crew & launches off a Falcon9.

Tough to see Discovery end, still a little peeved about Orion (which that new European ship reminds me alot of) but there is other vehicles that have recently been tested.. X-37B is on it's second mission that I know of right now.

Quoting stillwaiting:
heard the double sonic boom on siesta key here in sarasota,loooud!!!!,im going to upload a video to you tube,i was able to record the boom(couldnt see the shuttle even though it was clear out???)
The shuttle was moving at over 800mph, it would be hard to see :)
Quoting atmoaggie:
Umm, definitely a Chevy. Why?


Cause it ain't no Dodge
Welcome home Discovery..
Quoting Surfcropper:


Cause it ain't no Dodge
*groan*
;-)
Quoting Surfcropper:


A smaller craft with substantial payload capabilities that could be carried by a 747-100 then release it and engage rocket boosters would be efficient..

Is that possible?

Better than nothing...but a 747 can only carry a payload 5% or so of the way to orbiting altitude, and to less than 4% of orbital velocity

I'm sad to see the shuttle program go; my father worked on it after he and thousands of others were shifted over from the Apollo program, so there's a tinge of sentimentality to me. But private enterprise has proven that it'll be able to do it cheaper and safer, so I'm all for it. (I can name a dozen acquaintances right now who've fled NASA or one of its subs for work in the private space sector, and they all seem happy and excited about the future.) To me, NASA did the Charles Lindbergh thing by exploring new territory; now the Virgin Galactic and SpaceX folks need to take the reins, much as Pan Am and Braniff took over workaday aviation.

The good news for NASA, of course, is that the private sector won't be getting into the deep-space stuff; that will need to remain a government (multi-government) deal for the time being...
Quoting atmoaggie:
Our red maples do tend to snap under duress. Much more easily than the live oaks.


yeah, maples are not nearly as strong as oaks in Florida. Most trees in Florida are way more durable then they are up north. I remember spending part of the summer up in Michigan with my relatives, what was just an average thunderstorm on a a cold front too me, apparently isn't for trees up there. 40 mph gusts or something around that did more damage in the Detroit suburb to trees and power lines than 75 mph does to trees and power lines here in North Pinellas County. It takes more than 70 mph do any real damage to trees and power lines here.


Now if only the same could be said for housing here lol
My house is built with strong building codes, but all the older homes are built terrible.

Part of the reason bats are breaking so much in the MLB is because of them being made with Maple, you would not see the same results with oak wood from Florida(the live oak I believe).

Quoting stillwaiting:
heard the double sonic boom on siesta key here in sarasota,loooud!!!!,im going to upload a video to you tube,i was able to record the boom(couldnt see the shuttle even though it was clear out???)

I've been able to see it from Naples if it came overheard at the right time (early or late); if the sun was high in the sky, it was impossible for me to ever pick it out. I love the sonic booms, though; I'm going to miss them...
Quoting Skyepony:


That's like X-33 & 34. They went to launching them off Atlas. A X-37B went up the other day. Smaller craft costs the crew space but it's got a decent payload.

The SpaceX Dragon test, I think end of last year, went really good. It carries people & crew & launches off a Falcon9.

Tough to see Discovery end, still a little peeved about Orion (which that new European ship reminds me alot of) but there is other vehicles that have recently been tested.. X-37B is on it's second mission that I know of right now.


I thought they scrapped those models. Or did they open it up to corporate?

I wish NASA had a bonafide vehicle ready. At least.

Yeah, sad to see Discovery retire. I hope to explore it in a museum one day for myself.

Is there any word on where the other shuttles are going to be put on public display?

Should NASA have one shuttle operational in case of emergency?

Cloudsat caught that storm over LA/southern MS early this morning. WOW..
Quoting Neapolitan:

Better than nothing...but a 747 can only carry a payload 5% or so of the way to orbiting altitude, and to less than 4% of orbital velocity

I'm sad to see the shuttle program go; my father worked on it after he and thousands of others were shifted over from the Apollo program, so there's a tinge of sentimentality to me. But private enterprise has proven that it'll be able to do it cheaper and safer, so I'm all for it. (I can name a dozen acquaintances right now who've fled NASA or one of its subs for work in the private space sector, and they all seem happy and excited about the future.) To me, NASA did the Charles Lindbergh thing by exploring new territory; now the Virgin Galactic and SpaceX folks need to take the reins, much as Pan Am and Braniff took over workaday aviation.

The good news for NASA, of course, is that the private sector won't be getting into the deep-space stuff; that will need to remain a government (multi-government) deal for the time being...


I agree.

Deep space funding is something I think should be invested by the public.
Quoting Neapolitan:

Better than nothing...but a 747 can only carry a payload 5% or so of the way to orbiting altitude, and to less than 4% of orbital velocity

I'm sad to see the shuttle program go; my father worked on it after he and thousands of others were shifted over from the Apollo program, so there's a tinge of sentimentality to me. But private enterprise has proven that it'll be able to do it cheaper and safer, so I'm all for it. (I can name a dozen acquaintances right now who've fled NASA or one of its subs for work in the private space sector, and they all seem happy and excited about the future.) To me, NASA did the Charles Lindbergh thing by exploring new territory; now the Virgin Galactic and SpaceX folks need to take the reins, much as Pan Am and Braniff took over workaday aviation.

The good news for NASA, of course, is that the private sector won't be getting into the deep-space stuff; that will need to remain a government (multi-government) deal for the time being...

The other thing with a 747 is that you are limited in physical volume that you can strap under a wing, and stapping it onto the belly is a bit... um... problematic. It is much easier to bolt a few hundred thousand pounds to a top of a 747, but then how do you launch it from there without roasting the 747?
Quoting Neapolitan:

Better than nothing...but a 747 can only carry a payload 5% or so of the way to orbiting altitude, and to less than 4% of orbital velocity

I'm sad to see the shuttle program go; my father worked on it after he and thousands of others were shifted over from the Apollo program, so there's a tinge of sentimentality to me. But private enterprise has proven that it'll be able to do it cheaper and safer, so I'm all for it. (I can name a dozen acquaintances right now who've fled NASA or one of its subs for work in the private space sector, and they all seem happy and excited about the future.) To me, NASA did the Charles Lindbergh thing by exploring new territory; now the Virgin Galactic and SpaceX folks need to take the reins, much as Pan Am and Braniff took over workaday aviation.

The good news for NASA, of course, is that the private sector won't be getting into the deep-space stuff; that will need to remain a government (multi-government) deal for the time being...


Yeah, it is sad to see the space shuttle program ending. At least it marks the beginning of potentially an exciting future for space travel. I would support deep space exploration. Many would disagree, but in the late 1800's there were many fundamentalists who hated the rapid advancement of technology and new changes in transportation. Some people just like being stuck inside their little box and are afraid to come out.
Quoting Neapolitan:

I've been able to see it from Naples if it came overheard at the right time (early or late); if the sun was high in the sky, it was impossible for me to ever pick it out. I love the sonic booms, though; I'm going to miss them...


yeah me too! Its the closest thing to an earthquake we get in Florida...besides the daily afternoon lightning bombs in Summer.
Quoting atmoaggie:
That's ~15 miles from home. 4 miles from work.

Was a small nado. See Pat's Vid. (same event)



Ohhh ok, interesting, sounds like a gustnado maybe? We get tons of those in the wet season with strong sea breeze thunderstorms here in Central FL
Enterprise / 747 First Glide Test Flight 1977

Quoting Skyepony:
Cloudsat caught that storm over LA/southern MS early this morning. WOW..
Yep. In our satellite displays (cannot post any of it here), we saw a huge area of 40,000 foot, and up, cloud tops. Even the "stratiform" rain was from 40k cloud tops.

The deepest convection was not as limited to a thin line, like usual with a passing front.
Quoting Surfcropper:


Cause it ain't no Dodge


Of course it ain't no dodge, its better!
Quoting Skyepony:
Cloudsat caught that storm over LA/southern MS early this morning. WOW..

WOW is right. If you compare that section with section #1 (over the Amazon), you will notice quite a few similarities. Impressive, to say the least.
Quoting Jedkins01:


yeah, maples are not nearly as strong as oaks in Florida. Most trees in Florida are way more durable then they are up north. I remember spending part of the summer up in Michigan with my relatives, what was just an average thunderstorm on a a cold front too me, apparently isn't for trees up there. 40 mph gusts or something around that did more damage in the Detroit suburb to trees and power lines than 75 mph does to trees and power lines here in North Pinellas County. It takes more than 70 mph do any real damage to trees and power lines here.
That's all about frequency...

If they had 40 mph winds multiple times per year, far, far less damage would result from any one event.
Quoting Jedkins01:



Ohhh ok, interesting, sounds like a gustnado maybe? We get tons of those in the wet season with strong sea breeze thunderstorms here in Central FL
Maybe. The only wind ob we have that was near an observed nado was at KMSY (NOLA international).

Rain wrapped nado reported close by (by a skywarn-trained met) about the same time KMSY recorded a 77 mph gust.

Rare thing to have that good an ob with a small nado, even if it was only nearby (prolly within a mile).
Quoting atmoaggie:
Almost 9 inches per hour rainfall rate...

I thought it a bit astounding and unbelievable at first. Not so sure it isn't possibly correct, now, tho.


Yeah that is amazing, my rain gauge has recorded a rainfall rate as high as 7 inches per hour for a very brief moment, but usually the biggest storms of the wet season in the soupiest air masses output around 4 to 5 inches per hour.

Its hard to imagine that it occurred this time of year with less moisture in the air, rather than July or August. Go figure, weather can be a mystery sometimes. There must have been incredible moisture converge and pooling in that local area, combined with very strong forcing and lift. Also it must have been a very strong and very tall cell
Quoting atmoaggie:
That's all about frequency...

If they had 40 mph winds multiple times per year, far, far less damage would result from any one event.


Good point.
Quoting atmoaggie:
That's all about frequency...

If they had 40 mph winds multiple times per year, far, far less damage would result from any one event.

Exactly.

As a note, when I was shopping for trees for my house (the dinky little 8' live oak trees that came with the house were not going to cut it), I actually looked at data for Florida, as far as tree survivability goes in high wind. I didn't want to go through a storm in 5-10 years and end up having a 12' section of tree in my house. I ended up getting 3 Chinese Elm trees, since they combined everything I wanted (fast growth, pest/disease free, high wind survivability, good shade). If your weather is even kinda similar to Florida, I would highly suggest looking at some Florida horticultural sites for tree suggestions.
Quoting atmoaggie:
Maybe. The only wind ob we have that was near an observed nado was at KMSY (NOLA international).

Rain wrapped nado reported close by (by a skywarn-trained met) about the same time KMSY recorded a 77 mph gust.

Rare thing to have that good an ob with a small nado, even if it was only nearby (prolly within a mile).


Hmmm, yeah that sounds similar to how they happen here, a small, short lived, rain wrapped tornado that produces 70 to 80 mph winds, usually though nobody actually spots it, it usually takes a team to come in and find out if it was just a micro burst or actually a tornado.
Quoting Jedkins01:


Yeah that is amazing, my rain gauge has recorded a rainfall rate as high as 7 inches per hour for a very brief moment, but usually the biggest storms of the wet season in the soupiest air masses output around 4 to 5 inches per hour.

Its hard to imagine that it occurred this time of year with less moisture in the air, rather than July or August. Go figure, weather can be a mystery sometimes. There must have been incredible moisture converge and pooling in that local area, combined with very strong forcing and lift. Also it must have been a very strong and very tall cell

The NWS estimated the precipitable water levels were around 2.0-2.2 inches. That is summertime heavy rain criteria.. VERY impressive for early-to-mid March.
Quoting jeffs713:

The NWS estimated the PWS were around 2.0-2.2 inches. That is summertime heavy rain criteria.. VERY impressive for early-to-mid March.



Oh ok, that's higher than I thought. Wow, that is amazing, I guess that combined with some localized and extremely strong moisture pooling led to that incredible rainfall rate.

Here in Florida I have experienced 4 to 5 inch quite a few times, you think the roof is going to cave in, sounds like a military jet flying overhead. I can't imagine a 9 inch per hour rain rate...
Most of the Davis stations show the rainfall per hour on the monitors. I have seen 12 inches/hour before, but it only lasted about ten minutes.

This was verified by a Pro, a Vue, a Lacrosse, and a Tycon Power, all on the same roof.
Hmmm, perhaps I spoke too soon a little while ago. Darkness has settled in, rain is coming down hard now, that big area behind the little red squall line has turned from light yellow to dark orange, and lightning is getting closer and closer to the house. :(

Time to unplug Hal and watch the light show!
Will check back in later.
Surfcropper~ The previous Xs were ended, that was under NASA. It went through maybe skunkworks then on to the Air Force. They only get it for 2 years then I think they may be handling a functional cargo shuttle to NASA, Maybe early next year?

Orion is probably done. There was some already budgeted work being finished. The guys learned alot. I still don't get why that was scrapped. Test launch went well.

SpaceX's Dragon that launches off the Falcon9 is a commercial vehicle. KSC is leasing out launch facility area sort of thing. That should be shuttling crew to the space station sooner or later.

There's a mock up of shuttle at KSC visitor's center. I don't know the plans for display other than the Smithsonian for Discovery.

There was talk about taking part of Orion or part of an older craft (maybe the old X-34?) up to the ISS & park it for an emergency escape means. Who knows if it will happen.
It looks like the squall line is holding it's own and may in fact still be a threat for areas north of Orlando, Florida later tonight... The slight risk may need to be extended eastward, maybe a bit south as well.
Quoting Jedkins01:



Oh ok, that's higher than I thought. Wow, that is amazing, I guess that combined with some localized and extremely strong moisture pooling led to that incredible rainfall rate.

Here in Florida I have experienced 4 to 5 inch quite a few times, you think the roof is going to cave in, sounds like a military jet flying overhead. I can't imagine a 9 inch per hour rain rate...

Yeah, the moisture was definitely pooling well. Most of the fetch off the GOM was from the SSW, which is why here in Houston we didn't get much, but there was a lot more further east. LA (and points east) also had a lot more time with the return flow off the GOM, and less of a cap to deal with.

So... perfect recipe for very heavy rains and strong storms.
Not in agreement, the slight risk should have not just been extended east. The squall line is moving east and southeast towards the Peninsula. Bad part on their job..
Look for a potential watch later this evening across Northern Florida despite what the officials say.
Quoting reedzone:
It looks like the squall line is holding it's own and may in fact still be a threat for areas north of Orlando, Florida later tonight... The slight risk may need to be extended eastward, maybe a bit south as well.


Yeah, lines can collapse pretty quickly though, as they usually do in March. Heck last Sunday was advertised with a severe risk in Central Florida, and nobody on the west coast of Florida even got more than 0.10 from some leftover stratiform rain.

I don't think this line of storms will completely collapse, there will be plenty of moisture and heat, and there should be enough lift to maintain some heavy rain and some thunder, however the severe threat looks to be very small right now. Most of the energy and dynamics will probably lift well north by then.
Quoting jeffs713:

Yeah, the moisture was definitely pooling well. Most of the fetch off the GOM was from the SSW, which is why here in Houston we didn't get much, but there was a lot more further east. LA (and points east) also had a lot more time with the return flow off the GOM, and less of a cap to deal with.

So... perfect recipe for very heavy rains and strong storms.


Yeah sure sounds like it, based on analyzing the situation last night, I was worried about very heavy rainfall rates. But dang, it ended up being more so than I thought.
Quoting Skyepony:
Surfcropper~ The previous Xs were ended, that was under NASA. It went through maybe skunkworks then on to the Air Force. They only get it for 2 years then I think they may be handling a functional cargo shuttle to NASA, Maybe early next year?

Orion is probably done. There was some already budgeted work being finished. The guys learned alot. I still don't get why that was scrapped. Test launch went well.

SpaceX's Dragon that launches off the Falcon9 is a commercial vehicle. KSC is leasing out launch facility area sort of thing. That should be shuttling crew to the space station sooner or later.

There's a mock up of shuttle at KSC visitor's center. I don't know the plans for display other than the Smithsonian for Discovery.

There was talk about taking part of Orion or part of an older craft (maybe the old X-34?) up to the ISS & park it for an emergency escape means. Who knows if it will happen.

The Orion was scrapped due to huge cost overruns, an constant problems with the vibration dampening system on the crew capsule. Last time I looked at the info, they tried 3 separate solutions without much luck.

Getting people to orbit doesn't work well if their internal organs are completely scrambled.
Quoting aquak9:
Most of the Davis stations show the rainfall per hour on the monitors. I have seen 12 inches/hour before, but it only lasted about ten minutes.

This was verified by a Pro, a Vue, a Lacrosse, and a Tycon Power, all on the same roof.


rains coming
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Discovery is going to the Smithsonian, as Skye noted; it will replace the Enterprise, which was used for testing and training purposes but was never made space-ready. Enterprise will be ferried about the nation to be put on display in various places. That leaves, of course, Atlantis and Endeavour (with Challenger and Columbia destroyed in flight). The thing is, at least 20 museums want the other two, including KSC in Florida, JSC in Houston; the National Museum of the USAF at Wright-Patterson; the Museum of Flight in Seattle, and the Intrepid A&S Museum in NYC.

At any rate, we'll know in a month: on April 12th--the 30th anniversary of the first shuttle flight--NASA will reveal where both Atlantis and Endeavour are going to end up. My personal opinion: one in either Houston or Huntsville (or maybe KSC), and one in Seattle. That would cover the country pretty well...

Article...
reedzone- I could see it makig it as far as maybe tallahassee, MAYBE lake city? but not as far east as jax.

and yeah, 9-12 inch/hour sounds like a jet engine
Quoting RTLSNK:
Hmmm, perhaps I spoke too soon a little while ago. Darkness has settled in, rain is coming down hard now, that big area behind the little red squall line has turned from light yellow to dark orange, and lightning is getting closer and closer to the house. :(

Time to unplug Hal and watch the light show!
Will check back in later.
Keep yer head down.

These will be waiting for your return.


You guys better leave them for RTLSNK, or else...
Quoting reedzone:
It looks like the squall line is holding it's own and may in fact still be a threat for areas north of Orlando, Florida later tonight... The slight risk may need to be extended eastward, maybe a bit south as well.


The HRRR and the NAM show the line weakening possibly significantly as it approaches the Big Bend into a band of mainly moderate rain. While there maybe some isolated strong thunderstorms, I don't think it will be near the magnitude we are seeing now or earlier today.
Quoting Jedkins01:


Yeah sure sounds like it, based on analyzing the situation last night, I was worried about very heavy rainfall rates. But dang, it ended up being more so than I thought.
The lift was terrific, hence the 40k foot cloud top area about the same size as the state of LA. (When, usually, that's only a thin line and/or small isolated blobs).

And also explains all of the lightning, since we usually do not have the convection sustaining so far above the freezing level for such a large area.

Quoting atmoaggie:
The lift was terrific, hence the 40k foot cloud top area about the same size as the state of LA. (When, usually, that's only a thin line and/or small isolated blobs).

And also explains all of the lightning, since we usually do not have the convection sustaining so far above the freezing level for such a large area.



Yeah that convective explosion last night resembled ones in the deep tropics, they sure put down rain like in the tropics too.

Yeah, there's nothing quite like the light show you can experience here with a 45K ft thunderstorm on the sea breeze collision here in Tampa Bay. Although the violent thunderstorms we had every evening on my trip to Central America in August were quite similar. May times I kept thinking they were gonna drop a rare tornado down there, but they just don't have the right ingredients, despite the fact that you'll sometimes see scarier and even more massive storms then the super cells that drop F4's in the U.S.

Seriously though, if you ever go to Nicaragua, Guatemala, or Costa Rica during their extremely soggy rain season, I can just about guarantee you'll be impressed by the thunderstorms down there. The best part is not having to worry about feeling bad about tornadoes destroying homes either.
Quoting atmoaggie:
Keep yer head down.

These will be waiting for your return.


You guys better leave them for RTLSNK, or else...
... Why must you tease us like that?

(its only kinda teasing me, since I will be in NOLA for the Downtown Irish Club's St. Patty's day parade this year)

As for the space shuttle stuff, I think putting one of the shuttles in Houston or KSC would be good. They both have had a HUGE role in the program, and I can make a case for both.

Houston - Has a well-established museum-like center for the space program already.
KSC - All of the shuttles launched from here, and most landed here - their museum-like center treats the entire space program with more reverence, and the space program has had a much larger impact on the local economy.
Quoting jeffs713:

Solid boosters are great, as long as the o-rings are maintained (which they are now). The issue is, and always has been, the crew & cargo module. We have oodles of technology to get a vehicle into orbit. Just what vehicle?


The almost 50-year-old Russian PROTON rocket with a total launch mass 3 times lower can place in low orbit just about the same weight payload as the Space Shuttle at a cost almost 10 times lower. If we had been developing a new vehicle based on a solid booster the past thirty years instead of relying on the massively over-budget shuttle, we would have something definitive by now.
Quoting aquak9:
reedzone- I could see it makig it as far as maybe tallahassee, MAYBE lake city? but not as far east as jax.

and yeah, 9-12 inch/hour sounds like a jet engine
yesterday you ask for rain today rain you shall get
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
yesterday you ask for rain today rain you shall get
Hehe. Careful what you wish for.
I am happy with rain, ya'll know that

and I'll drive home with sunroof open, hope of clouds to the west- -
it's better than snow, right?
182. xcool
slidell la got hit by TORNADO
It looks like people out east may want to invest in some rowboats...

Quoting xcool:
slidell la got hit by TORNADO
Yeah, where ya been?

Near you?
185. xcool
yes .i stay in slidell la..
Quoting xcool:
yes .i stay in slidell la..
I knew that much...

Was asking if the nado was very close to you or if you are in another part of town.
188. xcool
atmoaggie . very close to me...
189. xcool
brb
Quoting Neapolitan:
Discovery is going to the Smithsonian, as Skye noted; it will replace the Enterprise, which was used for testing and training purposes but was never made space-ready. Enterprise will be ferried about the nation to be put on display in various places. That leaves, of course, Atlantis and Endeavour (with Challenger and Columbia destroyed in flight). The thing is, at least 20 museums want the other two, including KSC in Florida, JSC in Houston; the National Museum of the USAF at Wright-Patterson; the Museum of Flight in Seattle, and the Intrepid A&S Museum in NYC.

At any rate, we'll know in a month: on April 12th--the 30th anniversary of the first shuttle flight--NASA will reveal where both Atlantis and Endeavour are going to end up. My personal opinion: one in either Houston or Huntsville (or maybe KSC), and one in Seattle. That would cover the country pretty well...

Article...


KSC is getting an orbiter, imo Endeavour. KSC not only virtually gets a free shuttle if it asks for one (the money required for museums is only for transportation, to take an orbiter to KSC it would only take around 30 minutes on a tow) but KSC will have the best display shown for the shuttle.. it will be displayed horizontally, with the payload bay doors open surrounded by shuttle memorabilia and with the SRMS out like its capturing a satellite or installing a piece of the space station.

Dayton AFB or JSC are also probably where Endeavour is going.

Discovery is going to DC, already known of course.

I don't know about Enterprise, other than its leaving DC.


narrow secondary front setting up now
Watch out Savannah, GA and Jacksonville, FL. The squall line is closing in on those areas....
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:


narrow secondary front setting up now

Looks like the second band is setting up along the front itself, since the first line of storms WAY outran the front that touched them off.
hello guys I am at the hurricane confrence right now and I have my trusty computer with me
reed- you KNOW it never makes it all the way to me!!
197. hamla
2 all
when u cross the east pearl river and get into ms.the first exit their is a rest area/welcome center and its the exit to stennis right pass the welcome center the are buildind a space port like the one in orlando fl.the grapevine says its gonna be huge,but not too much info comming out yet.stennis is playing a big part in the devolopment of this theme park or hat ever it is.
stay tuned
the suns out and real muggy here in bay st.louis ms
Line slowly weakening as it moves eastward

Quoting Drakoen:
Line slowly weakening as it moves eastward


I don't think its weakening as much as it is getting into the rain shadow of the storm dumping on the radar site. The next radar station to the east shows the line just as strong as before.
Quoting wunderkidcayman:
hello guys I am at the hurricane confrence right now and I have my trusty computer with me


What's going on? Any hot topics, announcements? Seen a HH? Where are my pictures:)
FYI: if anyone wants to get any information on the hurricane meeting here is the link

Link
Arctic sea ice for Feb tied the record set in 2005.
working on that now Skyepony but anyway we had the rep for individual country give a overview of what storm affected them and how and the coordination within the WMO's TC programme
Quoting Drakoen:
Line slowly weakening as it moves eastward

ya some pre frontal pop ups out front are happening as well

Quoting jeffs713:

I don't think its weakening as much as it is getting into the rain shadow of the storm dumping on the radar site. The next radar station to the east shows the line just as strong as before.
I think that's a good point. Looking at the loop, suddenly weaker-seeming once some radar beam attenuation is evident.

BUT, is also weakening.

Far, far less area of 40k foot cloud tops than earlier today. None of the precip in GA and very, very little in AL from convection that deep. Undeniable slow weakening going on.
Quoting atmoaggie:
I can't say it isn't a maple. Most of those have yet to start sprouting their leaves. Most any oak in that area is going to be a live oak...evergreen.

And a familiar scene from NOLA (in one of the lowest spots):


The rain was simply more (and fell so quickly) than the pumps could move. They've caught up already, I expect. (This happens every few years, at best.)

No one's pumping system can handle ~5 inches in 30 minutes.
At least they have a pumping system. In Key West we have to wait for the tide to go out or percolation into the coral.
Quoting atmoaggie:
Keep yer head down.

These will be waiting for your return.


You guys better leave them for RTLSNK, or else...
What is that a picture of?
Quoting atmoaggie:
I think that's a good point. Looking at the loop, suddenly weaker-seeming once some radar beam attenuation is evident.

BUT, is also weakening.

Far, far less area of 40k foot cloud tops than earlier today. None of the precip in GA and very, very little in AL from convection that deep. Undeniable slow weakening going on.


True. I also think it is interesting to note how the southern section, over FL and the northern GOM, as broken up more, and isn't a solid line of evil. But the northern section, in GA/SC, is a much more solid band, without gaps.
Quoting kwgirl:
What is that a picture of?

Yumminess.

Beignets
Quoting aquak9:
reed- you KNOW it never makes it all the way to me!!
before this day is done a drink for your garden will come
I think some of those pre-frontal popup storms are actually from a seabreeze front off the GOM... they are forming in a line almost parallel with the western coast, and moving uniformly inland.
214. beell
Quoting nrtiwlnvragn:
Presentations from last week's 65th Interdepartmental Hurricane Conference


Nice one, nrt, thanks. Bookmarked. Hope the link stays active till I get what I want downloaded. Something for everybody. Read them all yet, lol?
Honestly, I'm not really sure I agree with the NWS issuing so many warnings in Georgia, all of those cells have looked well below severe limits for a while, with only 20000 ft tops. And I don't see much of a sign of damaging winds on the velocity product either. But they have access to technology and have knowledge I don't, so I'm probably completely wrong.

I just thought I would point that out. I though it was weird because the part of line in the panhandle is stronger convection but yet it doesn't have warnings and the weaker activity in Georgia does. Maybe its because the dynamics for severe weather are stronger in Georgia taking less of a thunderstorm to produce severe weather? Maybe.
Photos I will post later
Quoting jeffs713:


True. I also think it is interesting to note how the southern section, over FL and the northern GOM, as broken up more, and isn't a solid line of evil. But the northern section, in GA/SC, is a much more solid band, without gaps.
Yet, the FL panhandle and GOM is where the deepest convection is. And in a broad area. (At least that's what I get from the cloud top height info).

And the leading edge in GA has only 30k foot cloud tops associated.

*Should* see less vigorous winds, rainfall rates, and lightning up there. But, of course, that doesn't mean there will not be any isolated cases of severe weather...
Not too often you see a full flag for the 1km wind barb on these... (not that rare, either.)

16 UTC at Eglin AFB

Wouldn't be surprised if this line fails to live up to the forecast like last Sunday, we are in La Nina and its the heart of the dry season, those 2 factors alone cause me to lean towards this being weaker than expected in Central Florida.

I would love to see some strong thunderstorms and heavy rain, I live for that stuff, but to give a forecast without a bias, I'm leaning towards a thin line of fast moving scattered convection producing about 0.25 through Central Florida, and no severe weather warnings.
220. beell
The northern part of the line, oriented more N/S and with stronger mid level forcing accelerated earlier this afternoon-increasing winds mixing to the surface. Also noted in an uptick of high wind reports over central GA. This is no longer true and the storms are in fact weakening as they move into less instability.

See Mesoscale Discussions
217 219
Storm Reports
221. xcool
2 E Slidell [St. Tammany Co, LA] nws storm survey reports TORNADO of F2 at 06:52 AM CST
I wish Atlanta NWS had launched a midday sonde (trying to save money?).

This is useless:
Quoting atmoaggie:
Not too often you see a full flag for the 1km wind barb on these...

16 UTC at Eglin AFB



o.O

On a side note... any idea why there are not any balloons launched for soundings out of Houston? (closest we get are CRP and LCH, which leaves a big hole around the Houston area) I thought it was b/c of the two airports, but there are other (smaller) cities that get full soundings with airports nearby.
Quoting xcool:
2 E Slidell [St. Tammany Co, LA] nws storm survey reports TORNADO of F2 at 06:52 AM CST
So they finally classified it as one. That took all day...
226. beell
Quoting jeffs713:


o.O

On a side note... any idea why there are not any balloons launched for soundings out of Houston? (closest we get are CRP and LCH, which leaves a big hole around the Houston area) I thought it was b/c of the two airports, but there are other (smaller) cities that get full soundings with airports nearby.


Oh, you are so right, Jeffs! Lamented that fact for years. LCH is usually a fair representation.
Update time = Wed Mar 9 22:11:58 UTC 2011


MAG UTC DATE-TIME
y/m/d h:m:s LAT
deg LON
deg DEPTH
km Region
MAP 6.6 2011/03/09 21:24:52 -6.022 149.659 43.2 NEW BRITAIN REGION, PAPUA NEW GUINEA
MAP 6.1 2011/03/09 21:22:18 38.385 142.642 23.0 NEAR THE EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
MAP 6.0 2011/03/09 18:44:35 38.502 143.199 1.2 OFF THE EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
MAP 6.1 2011/03/09 18:16:15 38.378 142.506 22.0 NEAR THE EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
Quoting jeffs713:


o.O

On a side note... any idea why there are not any balloons launched for soundings out of Houston? (closest we get are CRP and LCH, which leaves a big hole around the Houston area) I thought it was b/c of the two airports, but there are other (smaller) cities that get full soundings with airports nearby.
Wish I knew. Has got to be the most populous hole that size in the sounding map:



(And this one is missing Jackson, MS and the western Nebraska site. Usual places for launches, unlike HGX.)
Natural variability responsible for Russian heat wave. Sorry to disappoint some out there. Kudos to NOAA for their objectivity.
Quoting jeffs713:


o.O

On a side note... any idea why there are not any balloons launched for soundings out of Houston? (closest we get are CRP and LCH, which leaves a big hole around the Houston area) I thought it was b/c of the two airports, but there are other (smaller) cities that get full soundings with airports nearby.


I bet it has something to do with Ellington Field airport since it's a military airport complex
Quoting atmoaggie:
Wish I knew. Has got to be the most populous hole that size in the sounding map:



(And this one is missing Jackson, MS and the western Nebraska site. Usual places for launches, unlike HGX.)

Only other hole I can see anywhere near that size is near Philly, and that one is marginal.
Quoting RitaEvac:


I bet it has something to do with Ellington Field airport since it's a military airport complex

But they launch soundings out of Elgin AFB, which is a full-fledged operational AFB. Ellington is just a reserve base with some National Guard and NASA aircraft most of the time.
Whatever the reason it's stupid, especially when a hurricane is barreling toward the western Gulf
I always notice the NHC has hell predicting NW gulf systems, it's all because of no sounding coming out of HGX
236. beell
Quoting RitaEvac:
Whatever the reason it's stupid, especially when a hurricane is barreling toward the western Gulf


The NOAA Gulfsteam jet usually does a pretty fair job of sampling the upper air over the GOM and the existing sounding network is more than adequate for upstream conditions for a tropical system.
NASA Data Strengthens Reports of Toxic Rain on the Gulf Coast From BP Spill
238. beell
Provided we don't run out of balloons and money for flights...
But when they cut funding for that jet then what?
Probably why nobody had a handle on humberto that year when those pop up storms form in the NW Gulf that air sounding outta of HGX is imperative, because sometimes a jet can't go up in time without planning ahead
Beell, I love your avatar! Really original. I would never have thought of that. Now I am kinda jealous. Just plain clever.

Good job.
Quoting beell:


Nice one, nrt, thanks. Bookmarked. Hope the link stays active till I get what I want downloaded. Something for everybody. Read them all yet, lol?


About a quarter of them, some are way above my pay grade. That link should be there for a long time.
Apparently the statement "drill baby drill" is becoming really popular, people want oil drilling off our coast because the gas prices are high...

Its sad people are that ignorant, because oil drilling will not help the gas prices issue, all it will become is an environmental hazard off our coast.

What it really should be called is "spill baby spill"...
gumby for President


Quoting Jedkins01:
Wouldn't be surprised if this line fails to live up to the forecast like last Sunday, we are in La Nina and its the heart of the dry season, those 2 factors alone cause me to lean towards this being weaker than expected in Central Florida.

I would love to see some strong thunderstorms and heavy rain, I live for that stuff, but to give a forecast without a bias, I'm leaning towards a thin line of fast moving scattered convection producing about 0.25 through Central Florida, and no severe weather warnings.


jed, for this rare occasion, I'm agreein' with ya. altho after looking hard at post 235, I'm gonna hafta think we MIGHT get some rain here in jax.

Clear skies here now, kinda weird cause it's windy as all get out.
All of the severe warnings are down.



warming continues!!!!
keeper

confound it

seismos rattlin' again, watch the line, watch the line...
249. beell
Quoting SQUAWK:
Beell, I love your avatar! Really original. I would never have thought of that. Now I am kinda jealous. Just plain clever.

Good job.


Thanks! My other avatar for a couple years was a picture of the word "Avatar". Thought I needed something a little more colorful...

Quoting nrtiwlnvragn:


About a quarter of them, some are way above my pay grade. That link should be there for a long time.


Will be for me also, nrt-but I'll try anyway.
Quoting Cochise000:
Natural variability responsible for Russian heat wave. Sorry to disappoint some out there. Kudos to NOAA for their objectivity.

They're always objective...even when some think they aren't. (And kudos also go to Anthony Watts for again selectively citing only that NOAA science that he believes backs up his belief, while ignoring the vast majority of it that refutes it.)

As Dr. Masters (among others) has himself said more than once, while GW can't be blamed for most specific extreme weather events, a warming world is expected to "set the stage" for such things to happen with greater frequency and severity--which is precisely what is happening, as demonstrated with last summer's Russian heat wave. As the NOAA article itself says, "...extreme heat waves are likely to become increasingly frequent in the region in coming decades...The researchers cautioned that this extreme event provides a glimpse into the region’s future as greenhouse gases continue to increase, and the signal of a warming climate, even at this regional scale, begins to emerge more clearly from natural variability in coming decades. Climate models evaluated for the new study show a rapidly increasing risk of such heat waves in western Russia, from less than one percent in 2010, to 10 percent or more by the end of this century."
Squawk- shoulda seen his FIRST avatar

(catches breath)
Quoting beell:


Thanks! My other avatar for a couple years was a picture of the word "Avatar". Thought I needed something a little more colorful...
I should hijack it and put some Mardi Gras beads on it.
Nah...
250 its interesting though the technology is moving towards the capability for attribution of specific events.


Knowledge of prior regional climate trends and current levels of greenhouse gas concentrations would not have helped us anticipate the 2010 summer heat wave in Russia,


While a contribution to the heat wave from climate change could not be entirely ruled out,
if it was present, it played a much smaller role than naturally occurring meteorological processes in explaining this heat wave's intensity.


Hmmmm.

While a contribution to the heat wave from climate change could not be entirely ruled out

Ill look for the study, I wonder if they used the same methodology as the flood studies earlier.
Quoting aquak9:
Squawk- shoulda seen his FIRST avatar

(catches breath)


What was it, I don't remember.
gro- hunka HUNKA!!

gotta run!
253 I donno, they used a mix of different processes and inference. Like the others I would wait to see how this one is received. Its still rather groundbreaking in its climatic scope. Things are going to get very interesting over the next few years.

Certainly their study is to be taken very seriously and considered the most insightful research so far probably into that event.


The researchers cautioned that this extreme event provides a glimpse into the region%u2019s future as greenhouse gases continue to increase, and the signal of a warming climate, even at this regional scale, begins to emerge more clearly from natural variability in coming decades. Climate models evaluated for the new study show a rapidly increasing risk of such heat waves in western Russia, from less than one percent in 2010, to 10 percent or more by the end of this century.
258. beell
That is a great idea atmo! I could make it a seasonal thing. You know a little elf hat at christmas, a foil hat for cane season, a chicken on a necklace for FFA Month-yeah, I like it.

If ya squint, I look just the same now, waterdoggie.
In a poll of scientists in different fields by Doran and Kendall Zimmerman (2009), 97% of those who published at least half of their peer-reviewed research in the climate field agreed that human activity was significant in changing global temperature; at the other extreme, only 47% of economic geologists (typically employed by oil companies and the like) concurred. Anderegg et al. (2010) similarly found that 97% of actively publishing climate scientists went along with the international panels’ consensus.
Doran, P.T., and M. Kendall Zimmerman (2009). "Examining the Scientific Consensus on Climate Change." Eos, Transactions of the American Geophysical Union 90: 22-23 [doi:10.1029/2009EO030002].

Anderegg, William R. L., et al. (2010). "Expert Credibility in Climate Change." Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences 107 [doi:10.1073/pnas.1003187107]
Quoting atmoaggie:
Wish I knew. Has got to be the most populous hole that size in the sounding map:



(And this one is missing Jackson, MS and the western Nebraska site. Usual places for launches, unlike HGX.)

Although maybe a little far inland, I think my location in College Station would be a great place to get upper air data and fill in that hole. We sometimes launch balloons to get upper air data at the university anyway, like we did prior to a snow event last month.
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:


Pop up thunderstorms in March.. now thats something. Gives you an idea how summer is just behind the curtain.
House damaged this AM near Lacombe, LA.

That's a lot of damage and to masonry...this is close to where there was about the equivalent to 2 medium-sized pines strewn about in small pieces on I-12 at ~8 this morning. (When I drove by...the pine debris got there at least an hour before I did.)



(caveat: not meaningful if it was shoddily built...always a possibility)
Quoting caribbeantracker01:



warming continues!!!!


As expected, you'll see continuing collapse of the La Nina until we reach bare neutral by July and peak season. There is some hints however that the La Nina might redevelop again in the winter months. Things are going to be interesting this hurricane season, what's probably going to happen in my opinion, is your going to have more storms earlier.. instead of last year we all saw a two month gap between our first two hurricanes Alex and Danielle.

BTW: Tomas's Post season report is out finally.
Link
Sorry to disappoint some out there. Kudos to NOAA for their objectivity.


The researchers cautioned that this extreme event provides a glimpse into the regions future as greenhouse gases continue to increase, and the signal of a warming climate, even at this regional scale, begins to emerge more clearly from natural variability in coming decades. Climate models evaluated for the new study show a rapidly increasing risk of such heat waves in western Russia, from less than one percent in 2010, to 10 percent or more by the end of this century.


Yes, indeed.
265. beell
Quoting 1900hurricane:

Although maybe a little far inland, I think my location in College Station would be a great place to get upper air data and fill in that hole. We sometimes launch balloons to get upper air data at the university anyway, like we did prior to a snow event last month.


That would be acceptable for me here in Houston, fwiw.

However, I'm not sure about turning a bunch of aggies loose with a large supply of helium.

Man! BTW : Heads up - Frost possibility Friday/Saturday. A lot of us have gardens now. Thats going to be difficult to cover.
Quoting beell:


That would be acceptable for me here in Houston, fwiw.

However, I'm not sure about turning a bunch of aggies loose with a large supply of helium.



You're a sick dude, that was funny. Have one singing "The Lollipop Guild"?
Quoting JohnTucker:
Man! BTW : Heads up - Frost possibility Friday/Saturday. A lot of us have a gardens now. Thats going to be difficult to cover.


there could be a second chance come end of the run
That cell in northern Polk is pushing close to severe, its not associated with the frontal activity. Just moisture, heat and sea breeze convergence, pretty darn cool to see that in March.

aquak9 rain on final approach
Quoting aquak9:


jed, for this rare occasion, I'm agreein' with ya. altho after looking hard at post 235, I'm gonna hafta think we MIGHT get some rain here in jax.

Clear skies here now, kinda weird cause it's windy as all get out.


I'm talking about Central Florida though, Jacksonville will get hit pretty hard.
273. beell
They did that one with rubber bands, gro.

;- }

I think this is a good time for an exit for a while to allow a more well-balanced blog. And before atmo rushes in to defend the honor of the aggies everywhere.
Quoting atmoaggie:
Keep yer head down.

These will be waiting for your return.


You guys better leave them for RTLSNK, or else...


Wow, do they look good or what? The last time I had Beignets was at the Cafe Du Monde in 2002.

Storm is just about over here, lightning passed over, never lost power, no heavy winds, local weather station shows a little over 2" so far. We needed that big time.
Quoting Jedkins01:
That cell in northern Polk is pushing close to severe, its not associated with the frontal activity. Just moisture, heat and sea breeze convergence, pretty darn cool to see that in March.

frontal downdraft crossing the land out ahead of main front causing uplift out a head may also be percussor of a frontal collapse this not going too much further
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
frontal downdraft crossing the land out ahead of main front causing uplift out a head may also be percussor of a frontal collapse this not going too much further


I agree, the line is weakening.
Quoting nrtiwlnvragn:
Presentations from last week's 65th Interdepartmental Hurricane Conference


Wow, 5-day conference. Good stuff, thanks for the link.

WTO
Line continues to weaken as it moves towards the east. Likely just heavy rain and gusty winds in the strongest band.

Quoting caribbeantracker01:



warming continues!!!!


Quoting atmoaggie:
Yep. In our satellite displays (cannot post any of it here), we saw a huge area of 40,000 foot, and up, cloud tops. Even the "stratiform" rain was from 40k cloud tops.

The deepest convection was not as limited to a thin line, like usual with a passing front.

Why not?
Man that is a dramatic storm line. Pitch black. Sounds like a highway is going thorough the forest.
Quoting beell:


That would be acceptable for me here in Houston, fwiw.

However, I'm not sure about turning a bunch of aggies loose with a large supply of helium.

Even worse. The NWS weather balloons use hydrogen. Helium cannot get them up to 10 mb, reliably, before *pop*.

But at least us aggies would know how to have fun with it...
;-)
Quoting TomTaylor:

Why not?
Ummm, proprietary, paid for by subscription product we and our partner built, feed with data, and sell.
Quoting atmoaggie:
Ummm, proprietary, paid for by subscription product we and our partner built, feed with data, and sell.

:(

That's understandable though
it rained!!

it rained and blew and rained!!!

got 0.45!!!

YAY!!!!
Quoting Neapolitan:

They're always objective...even when some think they aren't. (And kudos also go to Anthony Watts for again selectively citing only that NOAA science that he believes backs up his belief, while ignoring the vast majority of it that refutes it.)

As Dr. Masters (among others) has himself said more than once, while GW can't be blamed for most specific extreme weather events, a warming world is expected to "set the stage" for such things to happen with greater frequency and severity--which is precisely what is happening, as demonstrated with last summer's Russian heat wave. As the NOAA article itself says, "...extreme heat waves are likely to become increasingly frequent in the region in coming decades...The researchers cautioned that this extreme event provides a glimpse into the region’s future as greenhouse gases continue to increase, and the signal of a warming climate, even at this regional scale, begins to emerge more clearly from natural variability in coming decades. Climate models evaluated for the new study show a rapidly increasing risk of such heat waves in western Russia, from less than one percent in 2010, to 10 percent or more by the end of this century."


Yet, Dr. Masters was at the forefront the other day opining that climate change was responsible for more snow in the US, citing data that were suspect at best.
frontal collaspe has begun precip now thinning behind front from jax sw ward along the line
Quoting aquak9:
it rained!!

it rained and blew and rained!!!

got 0.45!!!

YAY!!!!
Happy wet dog.
I'd like to take a moment to thank everyone (sniff) everyone who helped bring forth, who BELIEVED (sniff sniff) that I'd see rain...(que sappy music)

People like Jedkins and Reedzone, who still have faith and understanding that a squall line ain't just something to fuss over-

People like Grothar who keep a sense of humor (sniff snork- pass the hanky) when the line falls apart-

people like Beell who always keep me smiling-

(out-and-out snorking and bawling)

You like me!! you really really like me!!
People like..., oh never mind....

We didn't get that much rain or wind. It looked bad but didn't do much. Just that initial few gusts. I hope it keeps raining.

Central Florida might get a good light show in not more if whats off shore holds up.
JF- I'm hoping for ya'll to get some good rain.

Whoa our pressure shot UP!
I appreciate that but 35 sat morning I could do without. Im afraid it will get colder and I have tomatoes out and squash up.
There's a couple Hundred jokes and stuff in dat last sentence JF, but Im gonna leave it be.
Perhaps but unfortunately its about as exciting as what it actually says.
I really want to believe I am going to get some of this rain.....
Everytime the meteorlogist beg for rain around here...wallah! we end up getting it the hard way.....Now where under a flood watch.We could see 2-3 inches of rain with some isolated 4 inch totals.That's not good becuase the ground is still saturated from Sunday's heavy rain storm.Maybe we should transfer this water to where they really need it...Florida?
Quoting aquak9:
I'd like to take a moment to thank everyone (sniff) everyone who helped bring forth, who BELIEVED (sniff sniff) that I'd see rain...(que sappy music)

People like Jedkins and Reedzone, who still have faith and understanding that a squall line ain't just something to fuss over-

People like Grothar who keep a sense of humor (sniff snork- pass the hanky) when the line falls apart-

people like Beell who always keep me smiling-

(out-and-out snorking and bawling)

You like me!! you really really like me!!


Calm down Norma Rae!
surfmom baby I'm afraid it's not ya'lls time this time

I'd wish it, and make it so, if I thought I could

but I can't- not yet- give me 5-6 weeks and I promise I will send good rains your way...

till then, just a bit here and there
grother- I am seizing the carp!
Quoting Tazmanian:
gumby for President




Isn't that who we have, oop's that was Eddie Murphy.
Looking at the radar -- what a teaser!!...I want some of that!
WOW!!
Everyone who is Anyone, is here tonight!
Greetings!
Quoting aquak9:
grother- I am seizing the carp!


SEIZE THE CARP!



Quoting PcolaDan:


SEIZE THE CARP!





I love you people!!! Dan, you must have a mighty big bowl to keep that goldfish in. (You never fail with the laugh)

Quoting Grothar:


I love you people!!! Dan, you must have a mighty big bowl to keep that goldfish in. (You never fail with the laugh)


Yeah, thats a Biggie.
I caught one like that once, but it got away. They seem to do that....
Quoting aquak9:
grother- I am seizing the carp!


I've been playing this for you every night. Hope it helped!!!

Quoting surfmom:
Looking at the radar -- what a teaser!!...I want some of that!

Had a similar 'tease' over the past 2 days with a bunch of cloud coming in from the southeast. Threatened, but never fell!
Made for a cool Carnival though. Nice.
311. beell
Ok, I'm miffed! Those folks stold the carp thing from me! Straight-up. A beell original (one of the few).

Originally posted in Beachfoxxys's blog at least a year ago. With a picture of some japanese carp kites flying in the breeze.

Oh well, it went to a good cause.
Quoting pottery:

Yeah, thats a Biggie.
I caught one like that once, but it got away. They seem to do that....


Sure!

Here is one from my first fishing trip.

Aloha Man from Trin!! -- I'm going outside to shake the rain stick...water barrels are empty - and I want the veggie bed to get a good soaking - tired of hand watering my toddler garlics
Quoting pottery:

Yeah, thats a Biggie.
I caught one like that once, but it got away. They seem to do that....

How many times have I heard this *smile*
Quoting beell:
Ok, I'm miffed! Those folks stold the carp thing from me! Straight-up. A beell original (one of the few).

Originally posted in Beachfoxxys's blog at least a year ago. With a picture of some japanese carp kites flying in the breeze.

Oh well, it went to a good cause.


Beell, I remember that. I think it was the first time I complimented you. I said that someone who could quote Horace couldn't be all bad. The carp quote is yours; hook, line, and sinker.
Shoulda seen me rastling it outa the ceement pond after the rain. ;)

(like my country accent?)
POTTERY!!! ya musta heard me thinking!!!

I was gonna post thunder coming but then I was listening to it instead!!

Pottery comin'!!!

beell-- ok any more carp jokes I make, I will reference to beell

oh I am about to wear out the exclamation point...can I use this # instead?

I am so happy about the rain###
Quoting surfmom:
Aloha Man from Trin!! -- I'm going outside to shake the rain stick...water barrels are empty - and I want the veggie bed to get a good soaking - tired of hand watering my toddler garlics

Good Luck!
I watered the plants last Friday, for the FIRST TIME this year.
We have been well provided with wet stuff so far.
Everything is flowering, fruiting, looking good.
Cutting fire traces now, in case.....
319. beell
Thank you, Grothar and aqua. Good enough.

Hey! How 'bout:
"Gather some sleds named 'Rosebud' in May"

No?
(atmo walks around in the yard picking up branches)
*squish,squish,squish,squish,squish,squish,squish ,squish,squish,squish,squish*
*squish,squish,squish,squish,squish,squish,squish ,squish*

Yeah, you guys can have some of this. I'll take orders and go in half for the shipping.
Quoting Grothar:


Sure!

Here is one from my first fishing trip.



Alright Grothar, wait until you see my first catch:


322. flsky
Lovely breeze, gentle rain and that wonderful muffled sound of cloud-to-cloud lightning now in DBS. I think the worst of this round of rain is hitting further south.
Quoting aquak9:
POTTERY!!! ya musta heard me thinking!!!

I was gonna post thunder coming but then I was listening to it instead!!

Pottery comin'!!!

beell-- ok any more carp jokes I make, I will reference to beell

oh I am about to wear out the exclamation point...can I use this # instead?

I am so happy about the rain###

check utube 'panorama finals 2011' for this year's music.
All Stars 1st, Exodus 2nd.
Good stuff..
324. flsky
This just in:

...A significant weather advisory is in effect for strong wind gusts
between 40 and 45 mph has been issued for Lake County...northwestern
Orange County...northwestern Seminole County...Volusia County...

* until 1015 PM EST.

At 907 PM EST...National Weather Service Doppler radar indicated a
fast moving gust front with scattered showers and storms along it
...Capable of producing strong wind gusts from 22 miles northwest of
Ormond Beach to 30 miles west of the villages...moving southeast at
40 mph.

Locations in the path of the storm which may experience strong winds
include Clermont...Daytona international Speedway...Daytona Beach
Intl Speedway and DeBary.

The primary threat will be cloud to ground lightning strikes and
gusty winds to 45 mph...which can cause unsecured objects to blow
around...snap tree limbs or cause power outages. Heavy rainfall will
temporarily reduce visibility. Seek shelter indoors until the storm
passes.

Winds will be especially gusty on large...flat open areas such as
Lake George and Lake Woodruff.

Lat...Lon 2915 8096 2898 8085 2898 8089 2896 8088
2871 8135 2846 8195 2896 8196 2897 8166
2929 8165 2932 8168 2938 8145 2940 8142
2927 8140 2927 8116 2941 8116 2943 8109
time...Mot...loc 0209z 307deg 34kt 2955 8123 2908 8189
2888 8242

Quoting beell:
Thank you, Grothar and aqua. Good enough.

Hey! How 'bout:
"Gather some sleds named 'Rosebud' in May"

No?


Citizen Kane???? Wow, someone is well read around here. I know that is way before your time.
Quoting Grothar:


Sure!

Here is one from my first fishing trip.


Must have put up quite a fight. To stop it slipping through your fingers, I mean.
LOL
Quoting caneswatch:


Alright Grothar, wait until you see my first catch:




I didn't know fish could fit under a microscope.
Quoting PcolaDan:
Shoulda seen me rastling it outa the ceement pond after the rain. ;)

(like my country accent?)


Funny, you don't look like Ellie Mae!
We may just get some here in the central and southern parts of FL. It would certainly help the record pollen counts we have had. Ah choo! :)

Just wanted to post this one again...

Quoting Grothar:


Funny, you don't look like Ellie Mae!

No he doesnt.
Looks more like Ma Clampett, to me.
Quoting Grothar:


I didn't know fish could fit under a microscope.


Haha. Honestly, a largemouth bass was the first fish I ever caught, from a canal that goes into the Lake Okeechobee Rim Canal.
Quoting flsky:
This just in:

...A significant weather advisory is in effect for strong wind gusts
between 40 and 45 mph has been issued for Lake County...northwestern
Orange County...northwestern Seminole County...Volusia County...

* until 1015 PM EST.

At 907 PM EST...National Weather Service Doppler radar indicated a
fast moving gust front with scattered showers and storms along it
...Capable of producing strong wind gusts from 22 miles northwest of
Ormond Beach to 30 miles west of the villages...moving southeast at
40 mph.

Locations in the path of the storm which may experience strong winds
include Clermont...Daytona international Speedway...Daytona Beach
Intl Speedway and DeBary.

The primary threat will be cloud to ground lightning strikes and
gusty winds to 45 mph...which can cause unsecured objects to blow
around...snap tree limbs or cause power outages. Heavy rainfall will
temporarily reduce visibility. Seek shelter indoors until the storm
passes.

Winds will be especially gusty on large...flat open areas such as
Lake George and Lake Woodruff.

Lat...Lon 2915 8096 2898 8085 2898 8089 2896 8088
2871 8135 2846 8195 2896 8196 2897 8166
2929 8165 2932 8168 2938 8145 2940 8142
2927 8140 2927 8116 2941 8116 2943 8109
time...Mot...loc 0209z 307deg 34kt 2955 8123 2908 8189
2888 8242



Wow, that thing is coming in hot.
Quoting atmoaggie:
Just wanted to post this one again...


Good cloudburst there. Nice!
Quoting pottery:

No he doesnt.
Looks more like Ma Clampett, to me.


Careful, he'll get you on that one. Things still dry by you. We finally got a few downpours this week. Looks like a big flood event in the Northeast states this week. Could be severe in some places.
336. beell
Quoting Grothar:


Citizen Kane???? Wow, someone is well read around here. I know that is way before your time.


You must be much older than me Gro. I never read the book.

Maybe confused with Waterhouse.
"Gather Ye Rosebuds While You May"

Course ya just can't beat "seize the carp".


Quoting pottery:

No he doesnt.
Looks more like Ma Clampett, to me.


Oh dayum Jethro, I didn't think not having my teeth in would be so noticeable.
it's like...

tossing rosebuds before swine.

ya'll be blessed

aqua sleeps
Evening. Grother is our oldest citizen, maybe older than dirt.
Quoting beell:


You must be much older than me Gro. I never read the book.

Maybe confused with Waterhouse.
"Gather Ye Rosebuds While You May"

Course ya just can't beat "seize the carp".




The story line was about the dying words of Citizen Kane, in the movie, when he said "Rosebud" and no one knew to what he was referring. It was his sled from his youth. (You had to be there, LOL)
Quoting Grothar:


Citizen Kane???? Wow, someone is well read around here. I know that is way before your time.
Interestingly, I've found that most anything that can be considered a classic is absolutely free to get on the Kindle.

Reading Hound of the Baskervilles, currently. Grapes of Wrath up next.
Quoting twincomanche:
Evening. Grother is our oldest citizen, maybe older than dirt.


I prefer terra firma. Sounds less deprecating.
Quoting atmoaggie:
Interestingly, I've found that most anything that can be considered a classic is absolutely free to get on the Kindle.

Reading Hound of the Baskervilles, currently. Grapes of Wrath up next.

Don't forget to read Atlas Shrugged.
Quoting Grothar:


I prefer terra firma. Sounds less deprecating.

I will remember that in the future. I believe in respecting my elders.
Quoting twincomanche:

Don't forget to read Atlas Shrugged.


Reading a book by a Socialist. I am impressed. She was quite the lady. Way ahead of her time. I think I have a Youtube of one of her interviews from the early 1950's in which she foretold about the problems which would arise in the Middle East. Bright woman.
Quoting atmoaggie:
Interestingly, I've found that most anything that can be considered a classic is absolutely free to get on the Kindle.

Reading Hound of the Baskervilles, currently. Grapes of Wrath up next.


I know it sounds old-fashioned, but I still prefer to hold the books. Always afraid of Fahrenheit 451 scenarios. Good book, too!
Quoting Grothar:


Reading a book by a Socialist. I am impressed. She was quite the lady. Way ahead of her time. I think I have a Youtube of one of her interviews from the early 1950's in which she foretold about the problems which would arise in the Middle East. Bright woman.


She was one of our great 20th century philosophers no doubt whether you agree with her or not. Almost as good as Mark Twin. My favorite modern day guy. His sayings are so smart and so timeless.
Quoting PcolaDan:


Oh dayum Jethro, I didn't think not having my teeth in would be so noticeable.


You owe me a keyboard, LOL!! :)



"Oh! What a tangled web we weave. When first we practice to deceive"!

It is going South, It is going South, It is, It is. :)
Quoting Grothar:


I know it sounds old-fashioned, but I still prefer to hold the books. Always afraid of Fahrenheit 451 scenarios. Good book, too!
I wasn't sure I'd like the Kindle until I tried someone else's for a week about a year ago. I used to say the same thing you did. But, now, I don't miss the old fashioned book nearly as much as I thought I would.
Quoting Grothar:


I know it sounds old-fashioned, but I still prefer to hold the books. Always afraid of Fahrenheit 451 scenarios. Good book, too!


Books are timeless and not subject to editing at least the one you hold in your hand. We must preserve this.
352. flsky
"Reading a book by a Socialist. I am impressed. She was quite the lady. Way ahead of her time. I think I have a Youtube of one of her interviews from the early 1950's in which she foretold about the problems which would arise in the Middle East. Bright woman."

Yikes!! She was about as far as you could get from Socialism!! Pure capitalism. Actually, after I read Atlas Shrugged I got a divorce and it changed my life! (in an exceptionally good way)
Quoting twincomanche:


She was one of our great 20th century philosophers no doubt whether you agree with her or not. Almost as good as Mark Twin. My favorite modern day guy. His sayings are so smart and so timeless.


One of my favorites. Abolutely brilliant woman. Quite misunderstood in her time.
354. flsky
I just filled my Kindle up with every free classic I could find. Filling in the gaps from school days when I should have read this stuff. At the moment I reading "Of Human Bondage" and re-reading "Moby Dick."
Ayn Rand a socialist? Did I miss something?
Quoting flsky:
"Reading a book by a Socialist. I am impressed. She was quite the lady. Way ahead of her time. I think I have a Youtube of one of her interviews from the early 1950's in which she foretold about the problems which would arise in the Middle East. Bright woman."

Yikes!! She was about as far as you could get from Socialism!! Pure capitalism. Actually, after I read Atlas Shrugged I got a divorce and it changed my life! (in an exceptionally good way)


That was how she was thought of during her day, just busting a little on twin. He got it. She wasn't exactly a pure capitalist, as she stated herself. Her philosophy was an incorporation of many different schools of thought, especially the German philosophers, by whom she was greatly influenced. It is a shame more people do not read her works today.
Quoting Grothar:


One of my favorites. Abolutely brilliant woman. Quite misunderstood in her time.
Yep. Read that, but it wasn't free.

And, she's still misunderstood today, by many, I think.
Quoting twincomanche:


Books are timeless and not subject to editing at least the one you hold in your hand. We must preserve this.


I agree wholeheartedly. I remember the first book I owned (by Harper Lee). No BS, I still have it and am not afraid it could get corrupted tomorrow and be gone from my possession. Soon, everything we will have to read, watch, enjoy, and experience will be digital. I am not certain I like that yet, even with online backup. Just sayin, it is different.....
Quoting Grothar:


One of my favorites. Abolutely brilliant woman. Quite misunderstood in her time.


Understood by those of us that understood the difference between the producers and the takers. I believe Bill Buckley understood the lady perfectly. Many of us in the early days of the modern conservative movement thought she had it mostly figured out. Time is proving she she was more right than wrong when it comes to today with the givers and takers. The only question left is whether we will tilt back the other way before us producers have to go on strike, a alternative that is as difficult as the decisions that Dagny had to take.
Quoting Ossqss:


I agree wholeheartedly. I remember the first book I owned (by Harper Lee). No BS, I still have it and am not afraid it could get corrupted tomorrow and be gone from my possession. Soon, everything we will have to read, watch, enjoy, and experience will be digital. I am not certain I like that yet, even with online backup. Just sayin, it is different.....


I still have my original copy of "To Kill a Mockingbird". It is gray covered with the original cover still on it. A shame she didn't write more.
Rand was an "egoist" and a proponent of free thought.

She despised statism. Her Russian heritage no doubt.
Someone around here reminds me of Wesley Mouch from time to time...


A Confederacy of Dunces

John Kennedy Toole
None has to answer this, but it would be interesting to me. What is your favorite book you have ever read.
Quoting RTLSNK:
"Oh! What a tangled web we weave. When first we practice to deceive"!

It is going South, It is going South, It is, It is. :)

Nice!
Quoting Grothar:


I still have my original copy of "To Kill a Mockingbird". It is gray covered with the original cover still on it. A shame she didn't write more.


Did Harper Lee ever write anything after that?
Quoting Grothar:
None has to answer this, but it would be interesting to me. What is your favorite book you have ever read.

100 years of solitude- Gabriel Garcia Marquez.
Quoting twincomanche:


Did Harper Lee even write anything after that?


None that was published, but she did write a few other novels. No one who knew her, ever knew why she did not finish them.
Quoting Grothar:
None has to answer this, but it would be interesting to me. What is your favorite book you have ever read.


Bible. For it's huge historical context.
Quoting Grothar:
None has to answer this, but it would be interesting to me. What is your favorite book you have ever read.
While not the size of many responses you will get for this, and merely a collection of essays, Letters from the Earth by Mark Twain is at least near the top of my list.

(And perfectly contrasting with that of post 369, lol.)
Quoting pottery:

Nice!


Thank you my friend. :)

Sir Walter Scott, "Marmion, a Tale of Flodden Field"
Canto VI, Stanza 17, 1808
Quoting atmoaggie:
Someone around here reminds me of Wesley Mouch from time to time...


Any relation to Scara?
373. flsky
Quoting twincomanche:


Did Harper Lee ever write anything after that?


Actually, there is still some controversy as to whether she did, indeed, write "Mockingbird."

As to digital books - I have a Kindle, an Ebookwise (an "old" digital reader that is back lit - so I can read it in bed) and a number of book shelves, which I still add to. I think digital will never be able to do any justice to art and photography books.
Quoting pottery:

100 years of solitude- Gabriel Garcia Marquez.


Fitting. Never read that.
Now that some of the AWG nut cases are gone for tonight I think it's safe to come into the blog.Anyway hurricane season is fast approching.Only three months left,next it'll be two then one.I feel as though the U.S won't be so lucky...
Quoting Grothar:


Any relation to Scara?

Possibly--but will he do the fandango?
Quoting Grothar:


Any relation to Scara?

HAHAHAHAH

but the book that probably had the most profound effect on me, was "Fanny Hill" which I read when I was about 15......
378. flsky
Quoting Grothar:
None has to answer this, but it would be interesting to me. What is your favorite book you have ever read.


Who can pick just one??
Quoting Grothar:


Any relation to Scara?
? You've successfully lost me with that one. Do tell.

Oh.
Quoting atmoaggie:
While not the size of many responses you will get for this, and merely a collection of essays, Letters from the Earth by Mark Twain is at least near the top of my list.

(And perfectly contrasting with that of post 369, lol.)


I am a little surprised by this one. Just didn't expect you would pick Mark Twain. But you are always full of surprises. He was more than genius.
Quoting Grothar:


Fitting. Never read that.
Um hello Grathar it has 100 years in it.You should know.J/k.Talking about Grathar age on this site never gets old.
Quoting pottery:

HAHAHAHAH

but the book that probably had the most profound effect on me, was "Fanny Hill" which I read when I was about 15......


I read it about the same age, and I am sure we suffered from the same effect. LOL
Quoting Grothar:


Any relation to Scara?


Since I am not very respected here I might as well go ahead and say that there are several characters from the book represented here on the blog. They are like the people in the book, that they don't understand that we don't disrespect them, we just don't think anything about them.

Refer to the Fountain Head maybe the definitive philosophy about what we producers think.
364. Grothar 3:06 AM GMT on March 10, 2011
None has to answer this, but it would be interesting to me. What is your favorite book you have ever read.
Member Since: July 17, 2009 Posts: 4 Comments: 7055


"Travels with Charley" John Steinbeck, neck and neck with "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance."





Actually, there is still some controversy as to whether she did, indeed, write "Mockingbird."

BOLLOCKS!
385. flsky
Wind really picking up. My front door just slammed shut.
Quoting Grothar:


Fitting. Never read that.

Not easily read by some people.
I have been told by someone who I admire for her literacy, that the writing is too fantastic and unreal.
Much of his work is devoid of adjectives, which suits me.
Have you read any?
Quoting Baybuddy:
364. Grothar 3:06 AM GMT on March 10, 2011
None has to answer this, but it would be interesting to me. What is your favorite book you have ever read.
Member Since: July 17, 2009 Posts: 4 Comments: 7055


"Travels with Charley" John Steinbeck, neck and neck with "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance."





Actually, there is still some controversy as to whether she did, indeed, write "Mockingbird."

BOLLOCKS!


Yes, they believe it was written by another person also named Harper Lee.
Quoting Grothar:


I read it about the same age, and I am sure we suffered from the same effect. LOL

:)
Quoting Grothar:


I am a little surprised by this one. Just didn't expect you would pick Mark Twain. But you are always full of surprises. He was more than genius.
Sorry. If it makes you feel better, 1a for me has to be The Outline of History, Being a Plain History of Life and Mankind by H. G. Wells.

Did a blog about it once upon a time, remember?

A small piece of that:
Quoting atmoaggie:
This is not a work of fiction. It is a history, as known by 1920, of the planet, life on earth, and man. Wells appears to have been in contact with plenty of experts in many different fields and is careful to delineate what is surmised, accepted as fact, or proven. He covers many of the geological theories we know today by idea if they had not been named what we know them as today. For example, he includes a discussion of continental drift, in function, though does not call it that, and admits that it is a likely explanation for the separation of like species and the way South America and Africa "fit" together. He also discusses a number of ideas as to the origin of the planet and includes, again by function, the Big Bang theory, but not by that name.

This book, given it's age, gives me the impression that there are very few new ideas about our planet. Seems that the last 80 years, or more, have mostly just been about proving or disproving this or that theory.


More here: http://www.wunderground.com/blog/atmoaggie/archiv e.html?year=2009&month=12
Quoting RTLSNK:


Thank you my friend. :)

Sir Walter Scott, "Marmion, a Tale of Flodden Field"
Canto VI, Stanza 17, 1808


Never read that one either, but than again, Snake. You always surprise me. Being familiar with your work here in Ft. Lauderdale, I could see why you would appreciate a work like that.
Quoting atmoaggie:
Sorry. If it makes you feel better, 1a for me has to be The Outline of History, Being a Plain History of Life and Mankind by H. G. Wells.

Did a blog about once upon a time, remember?

A small piece of that:


More here: http://www.wunderground.com/blog/atmoaggie/archiv e.html?year=2009&month=12


Yes, I do. It was one of the first times I remember being impressed by you. (Although you have disappointed on a few occasions since.)
Quoting pottery:

Not easily read by some people.
I have been told by someone who I admire for her literacy, that the writing is too fantastic and unreal.
Much of his work is devoid of adjectives, which suits me.
Have you read any?


No, I haven't. But if I can handle Joyce and ee cummings, I am sure I would enjoy this one.
Quoting flsky:
Wind really picking up. My front door just slammed shut.


Why did you leave it open in the first place?
394. flsky
Quoting Grothar:


Yes, I do. It was one of the first times I remember being impressed by you. (Although you have disappointed on a few occasions since.)


This is what's known as a left-handed compliment!
Quoting Grothar:
None has to answer this, but it would be interesting to me. What is your favorite book you have ever read.


The Speckled Monster: A Historical Tale of Battling the Smallpox Epidemic by Jennifer Lee Carrell.
I think Fanny Hill as a great novel is a little silly tho we seem to think "Catcher in the Rye" is some defining moment. Maybe that's why America is thought of to be society caught up in trivia. It's a good thing since we are constantly underestimated in our ability to get things done.
I mean this in the politest way possible: Ayn Rand, for all her obvious smarts, was a laissez-faire loon. Unrestricted capitalism is no better than any other extreme form of government that enriches and empowers the few at the expense of the many--and, in fact, it may be worse for the rapidity with which its unsustainable top-heaviness collapses in upon itself. My parents were members of the John Birch Society and huge fans of Goldwater, so they had me read Atlas Shrugged at a very young age; I remember them being chagrined that I didn't buy into her brand of institutionalized selfishness. ;-)
398. flsky
Quoting Grothar:


Why did you leave it open in the first place?

Nice to be able to air out the house once in a while. Haven't been able to do that too often lately. This gust caught me by surprise.
Quoting Grothar:
None has to answer this, but it would be interesting to me. What is your favorite book you have ever read.


This one! , then they added to the book :)

Busy day.



I'm out. L8R.
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Quoting Neapolitan:
I mean this in the politest way possible: Ayn Rand, for all her obvious smarts, was a laissez-faire loon. Unrestricted capitalism is no better than any other extreme form of government that enriches and empowers the few at the expense of the many--and, in fact, it may be worse for the rapidity with which its unsustainable top-heaviness collapses in upon itself. My parents were members of the John Birch Society and huge fans of Goldwater, so they had me read Atlas Shrugged at a very young age; I remember them being chagrined that I didn't buy into her brand of institutionalized selfishness. ;-)


Why am I surprised that you wrote this. Your modis operandi seems to be confrontation. Some people liked her, some people didn't. Leave it alone - not everyone has to think the same way you do.
It is interesting the wide variety of literature to which you all have been directed. I don't know why I have always had an interest in what people read, but I do.
Quoting Grothar:
It is interesting the wide variety of literature to which you all have been directed. I don't know why I have always had an interest in what people read, but I do.


Me too, I think this is most interesting.


I love walking the aisle, looking for the perfect book. The smell of an old book. In the case of a used book or a selection from the library, the thought of the people who read it before me, I dont know, it's soothing. I don't think a Kindle can top that.

I recently purchased a used book on airplanes from 1944. It was signed by a grandfather as a gift to his grandson, I just think that is neat.
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Quoting Grothar:


No, I haven't. But if I can handle Joyce and ee cummings, I am sure I would enjoy this one.

For someone who likes Joyce, and I'm assuming stream of consciousness, try Sartre's "The Reprieve."
Quoting flsky:


This is what's known as a left-handed compliment!


No, atmo knows me better than that. If we don't take a few shots at each other at least once a week, we don't feel complete. (How come you never notice his left-handed comments to me) LOL
Quoting flsky:


Why am I surprised that you wrote this. Your modis operandi seems to be confrontation. Some people liked her, some people didn't. Leave it alone - not everyone has to think the same way you do.

Oh, I'm sorry, flsky; I didn't realize this was your blog. I'll be sure to ask your permission before posting an opinion next time. ;-)

BTW: my comment wasn't directed at you, so you needn't be bothered by my desire to have everyone think the same as me--unless, that is, you're of a weak and malleable mind, in which case I do sincerely apologize.

Good night, smart people. Please keep the rest in line...
Quoting twincomanche:


Oh go away.
BCATD!
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Quoting Baybuddy:


I love walking the aisle, looking for the perfect book. The smell of an old book. In the case of a used book or a selection from the library, the thought of the people who read it before me, I dont know, it's soothing. I don't think a Kindle can top that.

I recently purchased a used book on airplanes from 1944. It was signed by a grandfather as a gift to his grandson, I just think that is neat.

Very special.
Quoting flsky:

For someone who likes Joyce, and I'm assuming stream of consciousness, try Sartre's "The Reprieve."


Existentialist leave me "way out there" I have read that, in French.
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Quoting washingtonian115:
BCATD!

I'm sorry - I'm old and don't text (not as old as Grothar, of course) - what does this mean??
413. flsky
Quoting Neapolitan:

Oh, I'm sorry, flsky; I didn't realize this was your blog. I'll be sure to ask your permission before posting an opinion next time. ;-)

BTW: my comment wasn't directed at you, so you needn't be bothered by my desire to have everyone think the same as me--unless, that is, you're of a weak and malleable mind, in which case I do sincerely apologize.

Good night, smart people. Please keep the rest in line...

Oh oh. Guess I hurt someone's feelings.
Quoting Neapolitan:

Oh, I'm sorry, flsky; I didn't realize this was your blog. I'll be sure to ask your permission before posting an opinion next time. ;-)

BTW: my comment wasn't directed at you, so you needn't be bothered by my desire to have everyone think the same as me--unless, that is, you're of a weak and malleable mind, in which case I do sincerely apologize.


Needs help.
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Quoting Grothar:


No, atmo knows me better than that. If we don't take a few shots at each other at least once a week, we don't feel complete. (How come you never notice his left-handed comments to me) LOL

Ha ha - guess I don't come on here often enough in "off season."
Quoting flsky:

I'm sorry - I'm old and don't text (not as old as Grothar, of course) - what does this mean??
Best comment of the day!.
StormTop is at work. Chuck E Cheese dosen't close till' 10.
Quoting RIDGES:


The Speckled Monster: A Historical Tale of Battling the Smallpox Epidemic by Jennifer Lee Carrell.


This should be required reading for those who do not believe in vaccination. People do not remember the horrors of epidemics, and how recent in our own history they occurred, right here in the US.
We have a classic old bookstore in Cape Coral that has all these great old Naval Books that smell and will never be put in play again. They are priceless to those of us who want to study what has been.
Quoting Grothar:
It is interesting the wide variety of literature to which you all have been directed. I don't know why I have always had an interest in what people read, but I do.


Everyone I know tosses books at me because they know I'll read it. I may not like them...I may enjoy them....but I don't think that is the point of reading them. Just being able to have time to be in your own head is it for me.

Case in point: I was reading 3 books during a 2 week period recently. Hunger Games, The Girl Who Kicked the Hornets Nest, and Jane Eyre. All were given to me to read. I'm game for it all.
Quoting washingtonian115:
Anyway how the hell did we get into talking about novels.I wanted to disscuss about this wild weather since it's coming myyyyyyyy way.And now people are starting to argue about authors.Also I sat back,and watched some people on the blog.Yes they are smart.But they are smart assess.Always running off at the damn mouth.Damn those people get on my nerves.Their are lot's of exsamples on this blog.Where's STORMTOP to entertain?.


OK, you are correct. I guess we should stop discussing literature and get back to the weather. My last comment will be about one of my favorite books and quite weather related. "Gone With the Wind"
Quoting Grothar:


OK, you are correct. I guess we should stop discussing literature and get back to the weather. My last comment will be about one of my favorite books and quite weather related. "Gone With the Wind"

I love yu man. Good night,
Quoting Grothar:


No, I haven't. But if I can handle Joyce and ee cummings, I am sure I would enjoy this one.

I dont know Cummings, but enjoy Mr.Joyce.
Marquez is not similiar to him.
Perhaps a good place to start is "a fragrance of Guavas".

Marquez's "chronicle of a death foretold' is perhaps the most amazing book I have ever read, for literary craftsmanship.

Steinbeck, Naipaul, Derek Walcott, Laurie Lee, and the woman that wrote 'Shikasta'(cant remember name!) are writers that I go back to, from time to time.
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Quoting Grothar:


OK, you are correct. I guess we should stop discussing literature and get back to the weather. My last comment will be about one of my favorite books and quite weather related. "Gone With the Wind"

Ha ha - too much!
Quoting twincomanche:
We have a classic old bookstore in Cape Coral that has all these great old Naval Books that smell and will never be put in play again. They are priceless to those of us who want to study what has been.


My son was given a book as a gift for his ninth birthday from the owners of an Army-Navy store in Pensacola. It is A Navy Hymn book from 1941. Pretty cool. Oh, and Carl Hiaasen is always good for a beach read.

Back to the weather.
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Quoting pottery:

I dont know Cummings, but enjoy Mr.Joyce.
Marquez is not similiar to him.
Perhaps a good place to start is "a fragrance of Guavas".

Marquez's "chronicle of a death foretold' is perhaps the most amazing book I have ever read, for literary craftsmanship.

Steinbeck, Naipaul, Derek Walcott, Laurie Lee, and the woman that wrote 'Shikasta'(cant remember name!) are writers that I go back to, from time to time.

So many books - so little time. Kind of reminds me of an old "Twilight Zone" episode.
Quoting Grothar:


OK, you are correct. I guess we should stop discussing literature and get back to the weather. My last comment will be about one of my favorite books and quite weather related. "Gone With the Wind"
I'am however concerned about my duaghters saftey.Tomorrow she's going on a feild trip.The building thier going to is near the water,and if the our rain totals do meet their promises then that means thier could be flash flooding.I don't want anything to happen.
Quoting Baybuddy:
StormTop is at work. Chuck E Cheese dosen't close till' 10.
That had me dying hard laughing.
Quoting Grothar:


Never read that one either, but than again, Snake. You always surprise me. Being familiar with your work here in Ft. Lauderdale, I could see why you would appreciate a work like that.


Good evening my friend. We have come far you and I from the time we were both young warriors in the jungle forty three years ago.

I am somewhat tickled when I see them kid you about your age. Little do they know that you and I are the same age. For a few months each year that is, then you are older again until Groundhogs Day. :)
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Quoting washingtonian115:
Anyway how the hell did we get into talking about novels.I wanted to disscuss about this wild weather since it's coming myyyyyyyy way.And now people are starting to argue about authors.Also I sat back,and watched some people on the blog.Yes they are smart.But they are smart assess.Always running off at the damn mouth.Damn those people get on my nerves.Their are lot's of exsamples on this blog.Where's STORMTOP to entertain?.

What IS your avatar, by the way.
Quoting Grothar:


This should be required reading for those who do not believe in vaccination. People do not remember the horrors of epidemics, and how recent in our own history they occurred, right here in the US.


The real scary thing is it could be a very viable bioweapon. Very happy I don't live next to large populations.
Despite it being cold outside the buds on the trees refuse to wait for warm weather,and now their coming out early.Hopefully we'll have a rainy spring to keep pollen down around here(it can get really bad).
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Quoting RTLSNK:


Good evening my friend. We have come far you and I from the time we were both young warriors in the jungle forty three years ago.

I am somewhat tickled when I see them kid you about your age. Little do they know that you and I are the same age. For a few months each year that is, then you are older again until Groundhogs Day. :)

Well, if you guys were fighting in a jungle 43 years ago, I guess we're all about the same age!
Quoting RTLSNK:


Good evening my friend. We have come far you and I from the time we were both young warriors in the jungle forty three years ago.

I am somewhat tickled when I see them kid you about your age. Little do they know that you and I are the same age. For a few months each year that is, then you are older again until Groundhogs Day. :)


Guess they don't know our history, Snake. They don't know what tough SOB's we were in those days. I don't mind. I kind of get a kick out of the "Old Sage" image. Better than being Rodney Dangerfield.
Ayn Rand was a bit pretentious imo.
Alan Greenspan was a fan.
Anyway, it's raining in ECFL again.
Hip hip hooray.
It's a terribly irony when the weathier and middle classes believe in survival of the fittest.
As if they get to where they are and become something just because they're fitter.
Like class and money has nothing to do with opportunity and success.
Anyway, I've tried reading her books.
Too many words to say very little to next to nothing imo.
Diatribe is the closest literary genre to her work imo.
She published during the age when socialism and communism were still the rage. So I guess in comparison she seemed pretty reasonable at the time.
Quoting flsky:

Well, if you guys were fighting in a jungle 43 years ago, I guess we're all about the same age!


You weren't that skinny blond kid who kept hiding in the fox-holes every time there was a good fire-fight, were you? LOL
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Quoting Grothar:


You weren't that skinny blond kid who kept hiding in the fox-holes every time there was a good fire-fight, were you? LOL

Skinny and blond, but not hiding.
Quoting flsky:

So many books - so little time. Kind of reminds me of an old "Twilight Zone" episode.


The one were he broke his glasses at the end?
Quoting flsky:

What IS your avatar, by the way.
Ahhhh it never get's old when people ask me this question(chuckles).It's a magical music cat,and a bunny/cat thing.Their both suppose to be mascots of a team of magical girls.But one is evil....
Quoting flsky:

Well, if you guys were fighting in a jungle 43 years ago, I guess we're all about the same age!

Good Grief...
It's a bunch of Geriatrics.....
Quoting flsky:

So many books - so little time. Kind of reminds me of an old "Twilight Zone" episode.


Burgess Merideth was a bank clerk and he hid in the vault on his lunch break to read his precious books. Wile he was safe in the vault reading, the a-bombs landed and he was the lone survivor. Rather than be sad, he was overjoyed to be left alone with his books...until the poor nearsighted fellow stepped on his spectacles...good stuff.
Quoting RIDGES:


The real scary thing is it could be a very viable bioweapon. Very happy I don't live next to large populations.


Well, that makes me feel better as I sit here surrounded by the two largest metropolitan area in Florida with 5 million people around. Sort of makes me all fuzzy inside. Thanks.


frontal collaspe complete

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Quoting pottery:

Good Grief...
It's a bunch of Geriatrics.....

Speak for yourself - I'm still blond!
Quoting Baybuddy:


Burgess Merideth was a bank clerk and he hid in the vault on his lunch break to read his precious books. Wile he was safe in the vault reading, the a-bombs landed and he was the lone survivor. Rather than be sad, he was overjoyed to be left alone with his books...until the poor nearsighted fellow stepped on his spectacles...good stuff.


Yeah, most of us here saw the original episode. LOL
448. flsky
Quoting Baybuddy:


Burgess Merideth was a bank clerk and he hid in the vault on his lunch break to read his precious books. Wile he was safe in the vault reading, the a-bombs landed and he was the lone survivor. Rather than be sad, he was overjoyed to be left alone with his books...until the poor nearsighted fellow stepped on his spectacles...good stuff.

Whatever happened to the 24-hour Twilight Zone "festivals" they used to run on Thanksgiving weekend. I always enjoyed those.
Quoting RTLSNK:


Good evening my friend. We have come far you and I from the time we were both young warriors in the jungle forty three years ago.

I am somewhat tickled when I see them kid you about your age. Little do they know that you and I are the same age. For a few months each year that is, then you are older again until Groundhogs Day. :)


Ever run into these two? Both are family friends and one hell of trackers.

3RD BDE - At times the platoon sergeant of the 1st Plt of Delta Co, 2nd Bn, 12th Inf, has difficulty telling two of his troopers apart. But it is not the platoon sergeants fault, because having a set of identical twins in the platoon does cause a mixup at times.
The twin brothers, PFCs Terry and Jerry Weigold of Marquette, Mich., find the mistaken identity to be nothing new to them. Beginning with their grammar school years at Marquette Elementary School, through their secondary schooling at Marquette Senior High and now the Army, their superiors have always had the same problem; Who is Who?
Since being drafted into the Army in June of 1967 the brothers have served together in an identical manner.
They completed basic training at Fort Campbell, Ky., after which they were both promoted to Private (E-2) on the same set of orders. After basic they were sent to Fort McClellan, Ala., for Advanced Infantry Training and were again promoted on the same set of orders to PFC upon completing their training. It was during this time that they almost had to separate and go different ways.
"At Fort McClellan we were told that only one of us could serve in Vietnam," said Jerry. "But Terry didn't want me to go and I didn't want him to go, so we told them we both wanted to go and here we are."
Since arriving in country two months ago both of the brothers have been awarded the Purple Heart. The brothers were wounded in the same week and both were wounded in the left side by shrapnel from the same type of weapon, incoming mortar rounds.
So far their tour in the Army has been identical and both brothers hope it will remain that way. But both agree that they would like to finish their tours without receiving another Purple Heart.
Quoting flsky:

Whatever happened to the 24-hour Twilight Zone "festivals" they used to run on Thanksgiving weekend. I always enjoyed those.


Syfy still runs them...it's New Years I think.
Quoting flsky:

Well, if you guys were fighting in a jungle 43 years ago, I guess we're all about the same age!


Too late, Pottery heard you, we told him we were only 39. :)
Quoting Grothar:


Well, that makes me feel better as I sit here surrounded by the two largest metropolitan area in Florida with 5 million people around. Sort of makes me all fuzzy inside. Thanks.


Glad to be of service, though you are old enough to be inoculated. Should have a nice scar from getting a version of monkeypox in you.
Grothar, you feel fuzzy inside because it is way past your bedtime, grampa...
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Quoting RIDGES:


Glad to be of service, though you are old enough to be inoculated. Should have a nice scar from getting a version of monkeypox in you.

I can still see my scar on my right arm.
Quoting RIDGES:


Ever run into these two? Both are family friends and one hell of trackers.

3RD BDE - At times the platoon sergeant of the 1st Plt of Delta Co, 2nd Bn, 12th Inf, has difficulty telling two of his troopers apart. But it is not the platoon sergeants fault, because having a set of identical twins in the platoon does cause a mixup at times.
The twin brothers, PFCs Terry and Jerry Weigold of Marquette, Mich., find the mistaken identity to be nothing new to them. Beginning with their grammar school years at Marquette Elementary School, through their secondary schooling at Marquette Senior High and now the Army, their superiors have always had the same problem; Who is Who?
Since being drafted into the Army in June of 1967 the brothers have served together in an identical manner.
They completed basic training at Fort Campbell, Ky., after which they were both promoted to Private (E-2) on the same set of orders. After basic they were sent to Fort McClellan, Ala., for Advanced Infantry Training and were again promoted on the same set of orders to PFC upon completing their training. It was during this time that they almost had to separate and go different ways.
"At Fort McClellan we were told that only one of us could serve in Vietnam," said Jerry. "But Terry didn't want me to go and I didn't want him to go, so we told them we both wanted to go and here we are."
Since arriving in country two months ago both of the brothers have been awarded the Purple Heart. The brothers were wounded in the same week and both were wounded in the left side by shrapnel from the same type of weapon, incoming mortar rounds.
So far their tour in the Army has been identical and both brothers hope it will remain that way. But both agree that they would like to finish their tours without receiving another Purple Heart.


No, but Grothar may have, he was down South, I was up north, 23rd Inf Div, Americal, Chu Lai.
Quoting RTLSNK:


Too late, Pottery heard you, we told him we were only 39. :)

Yeah.
Bunch of Frauds.
I think I will go and hang out at Orca's place.
He still acts like he is 22.

heheheheh
Quoting RTLSNK:


No, but Grothar may have, he was down South, I was up north, 23rd Inf Div, Americal, Chu Lai.


I was in the 9th Inf Div. We were in Dong Tam, Tan An, Bien Hoa and Chu Lai. Don't remember that, and I was there from 1966 thru Feb 68
Quoting flsky:

I can still see my scar on my right arm.

Me too.
Grothar and Snake cant see their arms anymore.
Stiff necks and all....
Quoting RIDGES:


Glad to be of service, though you are old enough to be inoculated. Should have a nice scar from getting a version of monkeypox in you.


Still have the scar on my arm. They were big shots in those days. However, they are not sure the vaccine is still effective after all these years. It was assumed it was a lifetime, but now they are not too sure.
Quoting pottery:

Me too.
Grothar and Snake cant see their arms anymore.
Stiff necks and all....


It's all done with mirrors these days. You never want to see me back out of a driveway. I saw 3 Hail Mary's then just floor it.
Quoting flsky:

Whatever happened to the 24-hour Twilight Zone "festivals" they used to run on Thanksgiving weekend. I always enjoyed those.


One channel on here shows them all the time. Look in your guide. I will look it up and see if you have it.
Quoting Grothar:


Still have the scar on my arm. They were big shots in those days. However, they are not sure the vaccine is still effective after all these years. It was assumed it was a lifetime, but now they are not too sure.

Well, 'a lifetime' is a relative thing.
The way things were 'back then' they did not expect us to be around today....

We did it, though.
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Quoting Grothar:


Still have the scar on my arm. They were big shots in those days. However, they are not sure the vaccine is still effective after all these years. It was assumed it was a lifetime, but now they are not too sure.

Great. Thanks for the good news. At any rate, I'm out. Believe it or not, I found a piece of swordfish at the market today and I'm off to grill it (I know, I know - I'm nocturnal!).
Quoting Grothar:


It's all done with mirrors these days. You never want to see me back out of a driveway. I saw 3 Hail Mary's then just floor it.

If that happened to me, I would floor it too....
Quoting pottery:

Yeah.
Bunch of Frauds.
I think I will go and hang out at Orca's place.
He still acts like he is 22.

heheheheh


Thats because he lives in that northern territory, he stays frozen for six months every year. He hibernates in the winter. Out of the last 50 years he has only been awake for 25. :)

Speaking of hibernation, goodnight, the grandchildren are asleep now, but will be up at 0630 and are looking forward to Grandpa's Blueberry Pancakes. :)
Quoting Grothar:


Still have the scar on my arm. They were big shots in those days. However, they are not sure the vaccine is still effective after all these years. It was assumed it was a lifetime, but now they are not too sure.


Yeah, talked to my old man about that. He's a infectious disease doc up here. Obviously nobody is willing to test themselves but he's of the opinion that you guys will make it through with fairly high numbers....75-80% type range. It's gonna slash and burn through the rest though.
Quoting pottery:

Well, 'a lifetime' is a relative thing.
The way things were 'back then' they did not expect us to be around today....

We did it, though.


Like I told you before, pot. I don't buy green bananas. I haven't left finger prints in 10 years.
Quoting RTLSNK:


Thats because he lives in that northern territory, he stays frozen for six months every year. He hibernates in the winter. Out of the last 50 years he has only been awake for 25. :)

Speaking of hibernation, goodnight, the grandchildren are asleep now, but will be up at 0630 and are looking forward to Grandpa's Blueberry Pancakes. :)

Good point about Orcas age.
Had not thought about that....

Sleep well.
Enjoy the riot in the morning.
Quoting flsky:

Great. Thanks for the good news. At any rate, I'm out. Believe it or not, I found a piece of swordfish at the market today and I'm off to grill it (I know, I know - I'm nocturnal!).


Just as long as it doesn't keep you up at night, it's OK.
Quoting Grothar:


Like I told you before, pot. I don't buy green bananas. I haven't left finger prints in 10 years.

Reformed, have you?
Good for you.

But maybe you should rethink.
Seems like crime is paying off these days...
472. flsky
Quoting pottery:

If that happened to me, I would floor it too....

I LOVE a good sense of humor. OK, now I'm really out. 'Night all.
Quoting RIDGES:


Yeah, talked to my old man about that. He's a infectious disease doc up here. Obviously nobody is willing to test themselves but he's of the opinion that you guys will make it through with fairly high numbers....75-80% type range. It's gonna slash and burn through the rest though.


That would mean 90% of the population would be on Social Security. You kids better take care of yourselves. We need you.
Quoting flsky:

I LOVE a good sense of humor. OK, now I'm really out. 'Night all.

Thanks.
And good night.
I am off too.
People like Gro only need about 18 mins sleep a night.
They have very slow metabolisms. Like Mummies.
What a bunch of wimps. You can't stay up past 12! LOL Hey Amy, you still on

(FL) Lightning/2000 v5.3.1 Summary (Wednesday, March 09, 2011 at 11:53:27 PM EST)

Since midnight (1433.5 mins.):
Total strokes: 20,154 (avg. 14.1/min.)
Intracloud/Intercloud strokes: 10,437 - 51.8% (avg. 7.3/min.)
+IC: 6650 - 63.7% (avg. 4.6/min.)
-IC: 3787 - 36.3% (avg. 2.6/min.)
Cloud to ground strokes: 9658 - 47.9% (avg. 6.7/min.)
+CG: 2092 - 21.7% (avg. 1.5/min.)
-CG: 7566 - 78.3% (avg. 5.3/min.)
Compact Intercloud Discharge: 44 - 0.2% (avg. 0.0/min.)
Sure enough my forecast was right.

The local METS insisted the WRF weakening the squall line significantly would be wrong, and that we would get a significant line of thunderstorms.

the line did collapse
Jed~ This has way more rain in it than last week's front. I've had more already & the main line isn't even here yet. Coverage is much more. It was exciting to hear thunder. Can't remember how long since I heard a solid cloud to ground before this evening.
Quoting Skyepony:
Jed~ This has way more rain in it than last week's front. I've had more already & the main line isn't even here yet. Coverage is much more. It was exciting to hear thunder. Can't remember how long since I heard a solid cloud to ground before this evening.


Nice!

I am referring to West Central Florida in that context though, including the forecast.
if you are a tester or this want to try some in new out firefox 4 RC is now live

Quoting Jedkins01:
Sure enough my forecast was right.

The local METS insisted the WRF weakening the squall line significantly would be wrong, and that we would get a significant line of thunderstorms.

the line did collapse


Somewhat.. Amazingly enough, a new squall line is forming in the GOM, west of Tampa. This formed out of the batch of rain in back of the squall line that had collapsed. However, here in Flagler County, we got a damage report. South Florida may have a rude awakening as the new squall line marches eastward. Folks south of Orlando will have to watch it closely.
You can clearly see the new squall line emerging out of the GOM..
You can also see the old squall line, or what's left of it heading into Miami.

IR shows the new squall line pretty well...

Sure enough my forecast was right.

Sure enough LOL! Um yea. That wasn't a forecast.

Between you and atmo with his "secret special radar" - I just dont know. I honestly would like to see some expertise above vagueness and questionable resume padding.

Otherwise its pretty easy, isnt it.
Quoting JFLORIDA:
Sure enough my forecast was right.

Sure enough LOL! Um yea. That wasn't a forecast.

Between you and atmo with his "secret special radar" - I just dont know. I honestly would like to see some expertise above vagueness and questionable resume padding.

Otherwise its pretty easy, isnt it.

My own ultra top secret super-duper special unavailable-to-anyone-but-me radar shows that line of showers strengthening as it moves east into the Bay area.

Still dry here in Naples, though that obviously won't be the case for long. It's in the high 60s now; it's hard to believe--and kind of depressing to think--that it'll be 20 degrees colder this time tomorrow. I was keeping my fingers crossed that we'd seen the last of the 40s for the year, but, well, c'est la vie...
hehehe

Yea there is some pretty intense stuff moving into cen Florida from the gom.

anyone have a good picture of the low in the mid Atlantic it's looking a bit more tropical now
oooYAY -- we got RAIN - SWFL - hoping for some boomers too --been a while...been a long while.
Happy for my veggie garden & fruit trees, plus all the pasture land where I work -- been buying hay bales for the past few month... this will get the grass growing!!
Good morning,

Sure hope the rain holds together to get SE Fla wet, we are the driest in the state this winter and need it badly!!!


See I told you Florida was record cold this past winter and last winter also! (Jan & Feb of 2010!)

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Got some much needed rain last night and this morning. I expected the front to weaken but it sure didnt. Pretty good gusts of winds coming through with it too, 49MPH gusts reported at Mayport, JIA and Orange Park.
Quoting seflagamma:
Good morning,

Sure hope the rain holds together to get SE Fla wet, we are the driest in the state this winter and need it badly!!!


See I told you Florida was record cold this past winter and last winter also! (Jan & Feb of 2010!)


It was definitely cold in Florida this past winter (though I don't know about a record; there have been at least nine other colder Florida winters). Last winter, as well--which makes it even more amazing that the year finished as tied with the warmest on record.

I hope you guys get some rain, too. We on the SW coast will try not to take it all before it gets to your side... ;-)
Someone better clear their schedule for the next 48 hours. They sure got their work cut out for them.

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