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4 out of 5 Americans affected by weather-related disasters since 2006, study finds

By: Dr. Jeff Masters, 5:55 PM GMT on February 20, 2012

Since 2006 , federally declared weather-related disasters in the United States have affected counties housing 242 million people--or roughly four out of five Americans. That's the remarkable finding of Environment America, who last week released a detailed report on extreme weather events in the U.S. The report analyzed FEMA data to study the number of federally declared weather-related disasters. More than 15 million Americans live in counties that have averaged one or more weather-related disasters per year since the beginning of 2006. Ten U.S. counties--six in Oklahoma, two in Nebraska, and one each in Missouri and South Dakota--have each experienced ten or more declared weather-related disasters since 2006. South Carolina was the only state without a weather-related disaster since 2006. The report did a nice job explaining the linkages between extreme weather events and climate change, and concluded, "The increasing evidence linking global warming to certain types of extreme weather events--underscored by the degree to which those events are already both a common and an extremely disruptive fact of life in the United States--suggests that the nation should take the steps needed now to prevent the worst impacts of global warming and to prepare for the changes that are inevitably coming down the road."




Figure 1. County-level map of federally-declared weather-related disasters between 2006 - 2011. Tornadoes and severe thunderstorms in the Midwest, and heavy rains and snows from Nor'easters, hurricanes, and other storms in the Northeast gave those two regions the most disaster declarations. An interactive version of this map that allows one to click and see the individual disasters by county is on the Environment America website.

Jeff Masters

Extreme Weather Politics

The views of the author are his/her own and do not necessarily represent the position of The Weather Company or its parent, IBM.

Reader Comments

Quoting RTSplayer:


Injury is caused by instantaneous acceleration, not velocity or average acceleration.

If the train came to a full stop while everyone else in the on-board reference frame kept moving forward and hit the seats in front of them, they'd experience only an average of 7.11 m/s^2 acceleration if the collision happened over a period of 1 second.

However, that's not how it works. The energy is distributed in a fraction of a second, a few hundredths of a second or less, which can produce maybe 70g of instantaneous acceleration, which is what breaks bones, impales, and crushes internal organs, etc,
Nope, that is not what happened here.

A train doesn't go from 16mph to 0 mph in a hundredth of a second. The problem here is the train has a very high inertia (due to it's mass), this makes it so that the train doesn't stop right away. Instead, as the first train car hits the object, the following cars maintain their motion and continue to collide for several seconds.

That is what Neapolitan was trying to demonstrate with the F=ma equation...the train has a very high mass, therefore it is very hard to stop, despite it's slow speed. This means the train isn't jerking to a complete stop in a split second, instead it's still moving for a while as the train cars crash into each other. The great force of the train then causes tiny little humans to be crushed, not the sudden jerk.
Quoting RTSplayer:
The U.S. should print $15 trillion in 5, 10, 20, and $100 bills, and just pay back the debts to the banks.

The savings in interest payments alone would pay back the $15 trillion in 25 years, which ironically is much, much faster than tax revenues would ever, EVER realistically pay back the debt, under any conceivable balanced budget.

Without the interest payments, the deficit would be easier to balance.


It's just paper anyway, right?

We owe $15 trillion and nobody has come knocking to collect. I doubt they'd care if we gave them $15 trillion in paper money, since that's better than nothing at all.
quite possibly the worst post of the year


Please excuse my blunt response, but you propose these solutions like they are some sort of brilliant idea that nobody has ever thought of. Truth is printing out 15 trillion dollars is a terrible idea.
Quoting SPLbeater
Quoting hydrus:
985. hurricanehunter27 11:02 PM GMT on February 22, 2012 +0
What is with the massive SVR warning in TN. Lol..!..I saw that too.! All I saw was a cloud..
maybe a test of the emerg thunderstorm warning service
Looks like a fast developing line of storms may be forming in east/central TN... About half the state is under a warning
1006. Patrap
College of DuPage Meteorology
Severe Weather and Flash Flood Warnings


Note: This page will reload every 2 minutes. Warnings are listed with the most recent first.

Click on the station ID to bring up list of recent severe weather statements.

SVR T-STORM WARNING NASHVILLE TN - KOHX 539 PM CST WED FEB 22 2012

SVR T-STORM WARNING HUNTSVILLE AL - KHUN 538 PM CST WED FEB 22 2012

SVR T-STORM WARNING MELBOURNE FL - KMLB 633 PM EST WED FEB 22 2012

SVR T-STORM WARNING LOUISVILLE KY - KLMK 523 PM CST WED FEB 22 2012

SVR T-STORM WARNING PADUCAH KY - KPAH 458 PM CST WED FEB 22 2012
Quoting TomTaylor:
quite possibly the worst post of the year


please excuse my blunt response, but you propose these solutions like they are some sort of brilliant idea that nobody has ever thought of. Truth is printing out 15 trillion dollars is a terrible idea. Terrible.
Lol so true just ask some African countries how that went.
Evening, Not a whole lot in Zephyrhills. Did get .50 of rain and a little wind. Heavy stuff as usual went north of me. Looks like Orlando area did fairly good with the rain.
Got our first Tornado Warning in TN.
Looks like WFO MRX's severe thunderstorm watch... er, I mean, warning, has expired.

http://mesonet.agron.iastate.edu/vtec/#2012-O-NEW -KMRX-SV-W-0003/USCOMP-N0Q-201202222255


I don't believe it was the largest warning yet issued. I believe that goes to WFO Bismarck, ND, within the last few years.

So far, no verification on IEM Cow:
http://mesonet.agron.iastate.edu/cow/?syear=2012& smonth=2&sday=22&shour=12&eyear=2012&emonth=2&eday =23&ehour=10&wfo=MRX&wtype[]=SV&hail=1.00&lsrbuffe r=15<ype[]=T<ype[]=D<ype[]=H<ype[]=G<ype []=FF&wind=58
1011. Patrap



800
WFUS54 KOHX 222347
TOROHX
TNC035-175-177-185-230045-
/O.NEW.KOHX.TO.W.0011.120222T2347Z-120223T0045Z/

BULLETIN - EAS ACTIVATION REQUESTED
TORNADO WARNING
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NASHVILLE TN
547 PM CST WED FEB 22 2012

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN NASHVILLE HAS ISSUED A

* TORNADO WARNING FOR...
SOUTHERN CUMBERLAND COUNTY IN MIDDLE TENNESSEE...
NORTHERN VAN BUREN COUNTY IN MIDDLE TENNESSEE...
NORTHEASTERN WARREN COUNTY IN MIDDLE TENNESSEE...
SOUTHERN WHITE COUNTY IN MIDDLE TENNESSEE...

* UNTIL 645 PM CST

* AT 541 PM CST...NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DOPPLER RADAR INDICATED A
SEVERE THUNDERSTORM CAPABLE OF PRODUCING A TORNADO. THIS DANGEROUS
STORM WAS LOCATED NEAR MCMINNVILLE...AND MOVING EAST AT 55 MPH.

* LOCATIONS IMPACTED INCLUDE...
SPENCER...CROSSVILLE AND CRAB ORCHARD.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

TAKE COVER NOW. MOVE TO AN INTERIOR ROOM ON THE LOWEST FLOOR OF A
STURDY BUILDING. AVOID WINDOWS. IF IN A MOBILE HOME...A VEHICLE OR
OUTDOORS...MOVE TO THE CLOSEST SUBSTANTIAL SHELTER AND PROTECT
YOURSELF FROM FLYING DEBRIS.



LAT...LON 3584 8477 3577 8491 3576 8523 3575 8526
3571 8575 3579 8577 3603 8475 3591 8470
TIME...MOT...LOC 2347Z 257DEG 46KT 3576 8564
Wow! Wasn't expecting this situation to develop so quickly.
1013. Patrap


MESOSCALE DISCUSSION 0142
NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
0543 PM CST WED FEB 22 2012

AREAS AFFECTED...S-CNTRL KY

CONCERNING...SEVERE POTENTIAL...WATCH UNLIKELY

VALID 222343Z - 230115Z

A WEST TO EAST ORIENTED LINE OF CONVECTION WILL CONTINUE TO TRACK
EAST-SOUTHEAST THIS EVENING. MARGINALLY SEVERE HAIL AND GUSTY WINDS
WILL BE POSSIBLY WITH THE STRONGEST CELLS WITHIN THIS LINE.

A LINE OF STORMS HAD DEVELOPED ACROSS SOUTH CENTRAL KENTUCKY LATE
THIS AFTERNOON ALONG A ZONE OF WEAK SFC CONFLUENCE. WHILE THERE IS
VERY LITTLE INSTABILITY TO WORK WITH DUE TO THE COOL/LOW DEWPOINT
ENVIRONMENT...UPDRAFTS ARE EXPECTED TO REMAIN RATHER WEAK.
HOWEVER...MIDLEVEL LAPSE RATES NEAR 6.5 TO 7 C/KM AND VERY COLD
TEMPERATURES ALOFT /NEAR -22 C AT 500 MB AND AROUND -8 AT 700
MB/...SPORADIC EPISODES OF MARGINALLY SEVERE HAIL WILL BE POSSIBLE
IN AN OTHERWISE FAVORABLY SHEARED ENVIRONMENT. ADDITIONALLY...GIVEN
THE STRONG DEEP LAYER FLOW /EFFECTIVE BULK SHEAR GREAT THAN 40
KT/...SOME GUSTY WINDS WILL ALSO BE POSSIBLE.

STORMS SHOULD EVENTUALLY WEAKEN WITHIN A FEW HOURS AFTER SUNSET AS
THE ENVIRONMENT COOLS AND BECOMES MORE STABLE.

..LEITMAN.. 02/22/2012


ATTN...WFO...JKL...LMK...OHX...PAH...

LAT...LON 37408678 37978439 37708413 36658481 36618663 36708715
37348685 37408678
The Huntsville storms seems to be a developing supercell. Everyone needs to watch it closely.
1016. Patrap


MESOSCALE DISCUSSION 0143
NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
0549 PM CST WED FEB 22 2012

AREAS AFFECTED...NE AL...SE TN...FAR NW AL

CONCERNING...SEVERE POTENTIAL...WATCH POSSIBLE

VALID 222349Z - 230115Z

AN ISOLATED SEVERE THREAT WILL LIKELY INCREASE SOME OVER THE NEXT
FEW HOURS FROM MIDDLE TO ERN TN SWD ACROSS NRN AL AND FAR NW GA.
HAIL AND WIND DAMAGE WILL BE POSSIBLE. WW ISSUANCE MAY BE NECESSARY
ACROSS THE REGION.

A LINE OF STRONG THUNDERSTORMS IS ONGOING ALONG AN AXIS OF
INSTABILITY WHERE MESOANALYSIS SHOWS MUCAPE VALUES FROM 250 TO 750
J/KG. THE STORMS ARE DEVELOPING IN A STRONGLY SHEARED ENVIRONMENT
WITH WSR-88D-VWPS SHOWING 0-6 KM SHEAR VALUES OF 70 TO 80 KT. THIS
COMBINED WITH INCREASING LARGE-SCALE ASCENT AS A SHORTWAVE TROUGH
APPROACHES FROM THE WEST AND STEEP MID-LEVEL LAPSE RATES OF 7.0 TO
7.5 C/KM SHOULD BE SUFFICIENT FOR A HAIL THREAT WITH THE STRONGER
CORES EMBEDDED IN THE LINE. EWD STORM MOTION OF 40 KT WILL HELP
CREATE A WIND DAMAGE THREAT ESPECIALLY AS THE LINE BECOMES NEARLY
CONTINUOUS. SUPERCELLS WITH AN ISOLATED TORNADO THREAT MAY ALSO
EXIST ON THE SRN END OF THE LINE WHERE INSTABILITY IS MAXIMIZED AND
THE LOW-LEVEL JET IS FORECAST TO STRENGTHEN EARLY THIS EVENING.

..BROYLES.. 02/22/2012


ATTN...WFO...MRX...FFC...OHX...BMX...HUN...

LAT...LON 35928438 36378455 36558536 35888624 34918734 34258779
33898760 33648692 33748625 34138579 34718521 35348467
35928438
1017. Patrap
Columbus AFB
NEXRAD Radar

Base Reflectivity 0.50° Elevation
Range 248 NMI

Just in front of the line in ECFL. The sky is a really dark red-pink.
1019. Patrap

390
WUUS54 KMRX 222351
SVRMRX
TNC001-007-011-065-105-107-115-121-123-129-143-14 5-153-230030-
/O.NEW.KMRX.SV.W.0004.120222T2351Z-120223T0030Z/

BULLETIN - IMMEDIATE BROADCAST REQUESTED
SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MORRISTOWN TN
651 PM EST WED FEB 22 2012

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN MORRISTOWN HAS ISSUED A

* SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING FOR...
ANDERSON COUNTY IN EAST TENNESSEE...
BLEDSOE COUNTY IN EAST TENNESSEE...
BRADLEY COUNTY IN EAST TENNESSEE...
HAMILTON COUNTY IN EAST TENNESSEE...
LOUDON COUNTY IN EAST TENNESSEE...
MCMINN COUNTY IN EAST TENNESSEE...
MARION COUNTY IN EAST TENNESSEE...
MEIGS COUNTY IN EAST TENNESSEE...
EXTREME NORTHERN MONROE COUNTY IN EAST TENNESSEE...
EXTREME SOUTHERN MORGAN COUNTY IN EAST TENNESSEE...
RHEA COUNTY IN EAST TENNESSEE...
ROANE COUNTY IN EAST TENNESSEE...
SEQUATCHIE COUNTY IN EAST TENNESSEE...

* UNTIL 730 PM EST/630 PM CST/

* AT 543 PM CST...NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DOPPLER RADAR INDICATED A
LINE OF SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS CAPABLE OF PRODUCING QUARTER SIZE
HAIL...AND DAMAGING WINDS IN EXCESS OF 60 MPH. THESE STORMS WERE
LOCATED ALONG A LINE EXTENDING FROM SPENCER TO 11 MILES WEST OF
SOUTH PITTSBURG...AND MOVING EAST AT 60 MPH.

* LOCATIONS IN THE WARNING INCLUDE...
JASPER...DUNLAP...PIKEVILLE...DAYTON...CHATTANOOGA ...ROCKWOOD...
DECATUR...CLEVELAND...ATHENS...KINGSTON...SOUTH PITTSBURG...
WHITWELL...SIGNAL MOUNTAIN...LOOKOUT MOUNTAIN...SODDY-DAISY...
SPRING CITY...HARRISON...CHARLESTON...GRIFFITH CREEK AND OLD
CUMBERLAND.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

IN ADDITION TO LARGE HAIL AND DAMAGING WINDS...CONTINUOUS CLOUD TO
GROUND LIGHTNING IS OCCURRING WITH THIS STORM. MOVE INDOORS
IMMEDIATELY! LIGHTNING IS ONE OF NATURES NUMBER ONE KILLERS.
REMEMBER...IF YOU CAN HEAR THUNDER...YOU ARE CLOSE ENOUGH TO BE
STRUCK BY LIGHTNING.



LAT...LON 3499 8587 3509 8587 3523 8577 3524 8570
3529 8571 3536 8551 3540 8550 3550 8556
3555 8552 3557 8543 3577 8525 3577 8491
3587 8472 3597 8471 3596 8428 3498 8488
TIME...MOT...LOC 2351Z 271DEG 53KT 3572 8530 3502 8576
That squall line is extending into Alabama...
First AL warning...
SEVERE WEATHER STATEMENT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE HUNTSVILLE AL
553 PM CST WED FEB 22 2012

ALC089-230000-
/O.CON.KHUN.SV.W.0011.000000T0000Z-120223T0000Z/
MADISON AL-
553 PM CST WED FEB 22 2012

...A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 600 PM CST
FOR CENTRAL MADISON COUNTY...

AT 549 PM CST...NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DOPPLER RADAR CONTINUED TO
INDICATE A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM CAPABLE OF PRODUCING QUARTER SIZE
HAIL. THIS STORM WAS LOCATED NEAR ALABAMA A AND M UNIVERSITY...
MOVING EAST AT 25 MPH.

OTHER LOCATIONS IN THE WARNING INCLUDE BUT ARE NOT LIMITED TO
RYLAND...MAYSVILLE...BROWNSBORO...MOORES MILL AND GURLEY.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

IN ADDITION TO LARGE HAIL...FREQUENT CLOUD TO GROUND LIGHTNING IS
OCCURRING WITH THIS STORM. MOVE INDOORS IMMEDIATELY! LIGHTNING IS
ONE OF NATURES NUMBER ONE KILLERS. REMEMBER...IF YOU CAN HEAR
THUNDER...YOU ARE CLOSE ENOUGH TO BE STRUCK BY LIGHTNING.

&&

LAT...LON 3468 8637 3469 8669 3484 8671 3486 8646
3487 8635
TIME...MOT...LOC 2353Z 262DEG 24KT 3478 8656

$$

SL

1022. Patrap
Hytop
NEXRAD Radar

Range 248 NMI
Base Reflectivity 0.50° Elevation

Quoting hurricanehunter27:
Lol so true just ask some African countries how that went.


Yep, and I have a 100 billion dollar bill from Zimbabwe to prove how well it worked. :D

Though that's worth less than a fraction of penny now. They're printing 100 trillion dollar bills now.
Quoting Xyrus2000:


Yep, and I have a 100 billion dollar bill from Zimbabwe to prove how well it worked. :D

Though that's worth less than a fraction of penny now. They're printing 100 trillion dollar bills now.
Is it even possible to fix inflation at that level? I mean the only thing I can think of to fix it is to switch currency's or just try to destroy as much of the printed paper as you can.
JUST IN

WOCN11 CWTO 222341
Special weather statement
Updated by Environment Canada
At 6:41 PM EST Wednesday 22 February 2012.
------------------------------------------------- --------------------
Special weather statement for:
City of Toronto
Windsor - Essex - Chatham-Kent
Sarnia - Lambton
Elgin
London - Middlesex
Simcoe - Delhi - Norfolk
Dunnville - Caledonia - Haldimand
Oxford - Brant
Niagara
City of Hamilton
Halton - Peel
York - Durham
Huron - Perth
Waterloo - Wellington
Dufferin - Innisfil
Saugeen Shores - Kincardine - Southern Bruce County
Hanover - Dundalk - Southern Grey County
Owen Sound - Blue Mountains - Northern Grey County
Barrie - Collingwood - Hillsdale
Orillia - Lagoon City - Washago
Belleville - Quinte - Northumberland
Kingston - Prince Edward
Peterborough - Kawartha Lakes
Stirling - Tweed - South Frontenac
Kaladar - Bannockburn - Bon Echo Park
Brockville - Leeds and Grenville
City of Ottawa
Gatineau
Prescott and Russell
Cornwall - Morrisburg
Smiths Falls - Lanark - Sharbot Lake.

Snow is coming.


------------------------------------------------- --------------------
==discussion==
A low pressure system is expected to develop over the American plains
on Thursday and track eastward across Southern Ontario on Friday.
The leading edge of snow associated with this low pressure system
should move into the extreme southwestern regions Thursday evening
and reach the Quebec border by Friday morning. Current indications
suggest that snowfall amounts in the 10 to 15 cm range are likely
within an 18 to 24 hour period. Regions just north of Lake Erie and
Lake Ontario will likely see rain at times mixed with the snow and
end up with less snowfall.

In addition, for regions along and south of a line from Southern Lake
Huron to Kingston, brief periods of freezing rain are possible
Thursday evening and overnight into Friday morning.

There is still a considerable amount of uncertainty with regards to
the exact track and intensity of this low pressure system.
Environment Canada will continue to monitor the development closely.

The public is advised to monitor future forecasts and warnings as
warnings may be required or extended.

Please monitor the latest forecasts and warnings from Environment
Canada at www.weatheroffice.gc.ca

End


Quoting hurricanehunter27:
Is it even possible to fix inflation at that level? I mean the only thing I can think of to fix it is to switch currency's or just try to destroy as much of the printed paper as you can.


Ah, seems I was out of the loop a bit. The Zimbabwean dollar was officially discontinued in 2009. Inflation had reached a point where it was practically impossible to calculate (though rough approximations had put inflation over 200,000%/year). They now use foreign currencies as a means of exchange. The last official bill denomination printed was the 100 trillion dollar bill, which was worth less than $300 USD at the time and dropped quite rapidly after it's introduction. It would take an armload of high denomination bills just to buy some groceries. :P

At any rate, printing money to pay off debts is an incredibly bad idea, as you devalue the entire currency base and shoots your economy in the face with a tactical nuke.


Snow on the 3rd?
Quoting TomTaylor:
quite possibly the worst post of the year


please excuse my blunt response, but you propose these ideas like they are some sort of brilliant idea that nobody has ever thought of. Truth is printing out 15 trillion dollars is a terrible idea. Terrible.


Having hundreds of billions of dollars of interest compounding yearly is a terrible idea which is growing worse by the year.


Soon, the entire system is going to collapse anyway if some major overhauls are not put in place.

Chinese already counterfeit our currency anyway.

Why are you convinced printing money somehow devalues it any more than running a permanent 15 trillion dollar debt with compounding interest?

At this rate, in a few more years it will be complete impossible for tax revenues to ever catch back up with spending, under any conceivable budget, that is, if it hasn't already passed that mark presently. A half trillion dollars per year worth of interest will do that to you fast.


We need a system of trade which is based on objective value rather than subjective value; rational principles, instead of sentimentality or fear.


To give you an example of what is wrong and stupid about America, watch an episode of "American Pickers". People will quite literally pay more for a piece of garbage, such as a discarded street sign or some other rubbish, than they will for legitimate goods or services.

This is the same way the stock market functions.

What kind of rational civilization functions this way? It's absurd.
Quoting Xyrus2000:


Ah, seems I was out of the loop a bit. The Zimbabwean dollar was officially discontinued in 2009. Inflation had reached a point where it was practically impossible to calculate (though rough approximations had put inflation over 200,000%/year). They now use foreign currencies as a means of exchange. The last official bill denomination printed was the 100 trillion dollar bill, which was worth less than $300 USD at the time and dropped quite rapidly after it's introduction. It would take an armload of high denomination bills just to buy some groceries. :P

At any rate, printing money to pay off debts is an incredibly bad idea, as you devalue the entire currency base and shoots your economy in the face with a tactical nuke.


Wow... Just wow.....Zimbabwean dollar



The Zimbabwean dollar (sign: $, or Z$ to distinguish it from other dollar-denominated currencies) was the official currency of Zimbabwe from 1980 to 12 April 2009.

Although the dollar was considered to be among the highest valued currency units when it was introduced in 1980 to replace the Rhodesian dollar at a ratio of 1:1, political turmoil and hyperinflation rapidly eroded the value of the Zimbabwe dollar to become one of the least valued currency units in the world, undergoing three redenominations, with paper denominations including a $100 trillion banknote.[3] The third redenomination produced the "fourth dollar" (ZWL) which was worth 1 trillion ZWR (third dollar) and 10 septillion "first dollar" ZWD, so overall the ratio of the redenominations was 103 × 1010 × 1012 = 1025.
Quoting RTSplayer:


Having hundreds of billions of dollars of interest compounding yearly is a terrible idea which is growing worse by the year.


Soon, the entire system is going to collapse anyway if some major overhauls are not put in place.

Chinese already counterfeit our currency anyway.

Why are you convinced printing money somehow devalues it any more than running a permanent 15 trillion dollar debt with compounding interest?

At this rate, in a few more years it will be complete impossible for tax revenues to ever catch back up with spending, under any conceivable budget, that is, if it hasn't already passed that mark presently. A half trillion dollars per year worth of interest will do that to you fast.


We need a system of trade which is based on objective value rather than subjective value; rational principles, instead of sentimentality or fear.


To give you an example of what is wrong and stupid about America, watch an episode of "American Pickers". People will quite literally pay more for a piece of garbage, such as a discarded street sign or some other rubbish, than they will for legitimate goods or services.

This is the same way the stock market functions.

What kind of rational civilization functions this way? It's absurd.
I have to admit your understanding of economics is the funniest thing I'v ever seen. I hope you are just young and uninformed. Try to read up on inflation some . Also with your comment on American Pickers is that while the material they are made of is not worth much the collector value is. Also check out supply and demand.
Quoting Xyrus2000:


Ah, seems I was out of the loop a bit. The Zimbabwean dollar was officially discontinued in 2009. Inflation had reached a point where it was practically impossible to calculate (though rough approximations had put inflation over 200,000%/year). They now use foreign currencies as a means of exchange. The last official bill denomination printed was the 100 trillion dollar bill, which was worth less than $300 USD at the time and dropped quite rapidly after it's introduction. It would take an armload of high denomination bills just to buy some groceries. :P

At any rate, printing money to pay off debts is an incredibly bad idea, as you devalue the entire currency base and shoots your economy in the face with a tactical nuke.
Well the last estimate on inflation with that specific currency was a doubling rate of 1.3 days. That is INSANE. I don't even know how you are able to mess the economy that bad (Hungry was able to do better...well I guess worse with a doubling rate of 15.6 hours.)
Quoting RTSplayer:


Having hundreds of billions of dollars of interest compounding yearly is a terrible idea which is growing worse by the year.


Soon, the entire system is going to collapse anyway if some major overhauls are not put in place.

Chinese already counterfeit our currency anyway.

Why are you convinced printing money somehow devalues it any more than running a permanent 15 trillion dollar debt with compounding interest?

At this rate, in a few more years it will be complete impossible for tax revenues to ever catch back up with spending, under any conceivable budget, that is, if it hasn't already passed that mark presently. A half trillion dollars per year worth of interest will do that to you fast.


We need a system of trade which is based on objective value rather than subjective value; rational principles, instead of sentimentality or fear.


To give you an example of what is wrong and stupid about America, watch an episode of "American Pickers". People will quite literally pay more for a piece of garbage, such as a discarded street sign or some other rubbish, than they will for legitimate goods or services.

This is the same way the stock market functions.

What kind of rational civilization functions this way? It's absurd.

Only 1 trillion us dollars in circulation today it increases between 50-100 billion a year.
That already way to much.
Quoting RTSplayer:


Having hundreds of billions of dollars of interest compounding yearly is a terrible idea which is growing worse by the year.


Soon, the entire system is going to collapse anyway if some major overhauls are not put in place.

Chinese already counterfeit our currency anyway.

Why are you convinced printing money somehow devalues it any more than running a permanent 15 trillion dollar debt with compounding interest?
Obviously the multi-trillion dollar debt is a problem and it will only become more of a problem as the baby boomer generation begins to retire. But if you think printing out excess money will just fix the problem, you are totally wrong. When you print out excess money, the money just becomes less valuable. Not only will it do nothing to fix the problem, it will totally screw over our economy.
Got 0.24".
Quoting RTSplayer:


The U.S. should print $15 trillion in 5, 10, 20, and $100 bills, and just pay back the debts to the banks.

The savings in interest payments alone would pay back the $15 trillion in 25 years, which ironically is much, much faster than tax revenues would ever, EVER realistically pay back the debt, under any conceivable balanced budget.

Without the interest payments, the deficit would be easier to balance.


It's just paper anyway, right?

We owe $15 trillion and nobody has come knocking to collect. I doubt they'd care if we gave them $15 trillion in paper money, since that's better than nothing at all.


Quoting TomTaylor:
Obviously the multi-trillion dollar debt is a problem and it will only become more of a problem as the baby boomer generation begins to retire. But if you think printing out excess money will just fix the problem, you are totally wrong. When you print out excess money, the money just becomes less valuable. Not only will it do nothing to fix the problem, it will totally screw over our economy.

Obviously this is a post that has nothing at all to do with weather. Is the debt/economy an issue? Yes. But discuss it on an economic blog and not here.
Meanwhile...

FLASH FLOOD WARNING
VAC105-169-195-720-230415-
/O.NEW.KMRX.FF.W.0001.120223T0018Z-120223T0415Z/
/00000.0.RS.000000T0000Z.000000T0000Z.000000T0000 Z.OO/

BULLETIN - EAS ACTIVATION REQUESTED
FLASH FLOOD WARNING
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MORRISTOWN TN
718 PM EST WED FEB 22 2012

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN MORRISTOWN HAS ISSUED A

* FLASH FLOOD WARNING FOR...
CITY OF NORTON IN SOUTHWEST VIRGINIA...
THIS INCLUDES THE CITY OF NORTON...
LEE COUNTY IN SOUTHWEST VIRGINIA...
THIS INCLUDES THE CITY OF JONESVILLE...
SCOTT COUNTY IN SOUTHWEST VIRGINIA...
THIS INCLUDES THE CITY OF GATE CITY...
WISE COUNTY IN SOUTHWEST VIRGINIA...
THIS INCLUDES THE CITY OF WISE...

* UNTIL 1115 PM EST

* AT 710 PM EST...NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DOPPLER RADAR INDICATED
STRONG THUNDERSTORMS WITH HEAVY RAINS IN EXCESS OF ONE INCH PER
HOUR...MOVING RAPIDLY EAST AT 60 MPH INTO EXTREME SOUTHWESTERN
VIRGINIA.

THIS AREA HAD RECEIVED HEAVY SNOWFALL THIS PAST SUNDAY...AND
MELTING SNOW WILL INCREASE THE THREAT OF FLASH FLOODING. THE HEAVY
RAINS THIS EVENING...PLUS RUNOFF FROM MELTING SNOW...COULD CAUSE
SERIOUS AND LIFE THREATENING FLASH FLOODING.

* LOCATIONS IN THE WARNING INCLUDE BUT ARE NOT LIMITED TO PENNINGTON
GAP AND BIG STONE GAP

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

EXCESSIVE RUNOFF FROM HEAVY RAINFALL WILL CAUSE FLOODING OF SMALL
CREEKS AND STREAMS...HIGHWAYS AND UNDERPASSES. ADDITIONALLY...COUNTRY
ROADS AND FARMLANDS ALONG THE BANKS OF CREEKS...STREAMS AND OTHER LOW
LYING AREAS ARE SUBJECT TO FLOODING.

TO REPORT FLOODING...HAVE THE NEAREST LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY RELAY
YOUR REPORT TO THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE FORECAST OFFICE IN
MORRISTOWN.

&&

LAT...LON 3703 8248 3696 8236 3697 8233 3692 8230
3689 8232 3688 8241 3660 8229 3659 8233
3661 8368 3668 8352 3667 8341 3675 8315
3686 8307 3689 8289 3693 8286 3698 8288
3703 8275 3712 8272 3720 8256

$$

Quoting Xyrus2000:


Ah, seems I was out of the loop a bit. The Zimbabwean dollar was officially discontinued in 2009. Inflation had reached a point where it was practically impossible to calculate (though rough approximations had put inflation over 200,000%/year). They now use foreign currencies as a means of exchange. The last official bill denomination printed was the 100 trillion dollar bill, which was worth less than $300 USD at the time and dropped quite rapidly after it's introduction. It would take an armload of high denomination bills just to buy some groceries. :P

At any rate, printing money to pay off debts is an incredibly bad idea, as you devalue the entire currency base and shoots your economy in the face with a tactical nuke.


If 100 million dollars magically appeared in equal distribute bills in each of 100 different people's living rooms, and they spent the money, it wouldn't effect the value of the dollar one bit.

Additionally, after several transactions and the money changes hands a few times, state and local governments would make millions in revenues from the extra sales tax.


If all the creditors want is dollars, then by all means, give them dollars.

And nobody said anything about printing trillion dollar bills. Lol. That's ridiculous.


At this point, the debt is either an imaginary number that holds no meaning, or else we're screwed anyway.

If it's the former, don't worry about it.

If it's the latter, printing some more money won't hurt anyway.
Patrap whats the Euro saying, the GFS is calling for snow and rain, have the models come together, what is your opinion for next weeks rain or snow event?
I love how we put value on a peice of paper that's worth nothing... IT'S A PEICE OF PAPER!!!!
Quoting Texasdrifter:

Only 1 trillion us dollars in circulation today it increases between 50-100 billion a year.
That already way to much.


That can't be right.

I tend have several thousand dollars cash at any given time.

I figure it takes about $63 billion per weak just to make payroll.

Plus, you're not counting virtual currency in electronic transactions.
Quoting MAweatherboy1:

Obviously this is a post that has nothing at all to do with weather. Is the debt/economy an issue? Yes. But discuss it on an economic blog and not here.
I'm gona guess your new here....
SEVERE WEATHER STATEMENT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MORRISTOWN TN
757 PM EST WED FEB 22 2012

TNC025-057-059-067-073-230130-
/O.CON.KMRX.SV.W.0008.000000T0000Z-120223T0130Z/
CLAIBORNE TN-GRAINGER TN-HANCOCK TN-HAWKINS TN-GREENE TN-
757 PM EST WED FEB 22 2012

...A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 830 PM EST
FOR GREENE...HAWKINS...HANCOCK...GRAINGER AND CLAIBORNE COUNTIES...

AT 754 PM EST...NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DOPPLER RADAR CONTINUED TO
INDICATE A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM CAPABLE OF PRODUCING QUARTER SIZE
HAIL...AND DAMAGING WINDS IN EXCESS OF 60 MPH. THIS STORM WAS
LOCATED NEAR HOWARD QUARTER...OR 10 MILES SOUTHWEST OF SNEEDVILLE...
MOVING EAST AT 45 MPH.

LOCATIONS IN THE WARNING INCLUDE...
SNEEDVILLE...ROGERSVILLE...BEAN STATION...SURGOINSVILLE...
EVANSTON...MOORESBURG...TREADWAY...KLONDIKE...ST. CLAIR...KYLES
FORD...MCCLOUD...KEPLER...OKOLONA...CHURCH HILL...JEAROLDSTOWN...
BAILEYTON AND MOUNT CARMEL.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

IN ADDITION TO LARGE HAIL AND DAMAGING WINDS...FREQUENT CLOUD TO
GROUND LIGHTNING IS OCCURRING WITH THIS STORM. MOVE INDOORS
IMMEDIATELY! LIGHTNING IS ONE OF NATURES PRIMARY KILLERS ASSOCIATED
WITH THUNDERSTORMS. REMEMBER...IF YOU CAN HEAR THUNDER...YOU ARE
CLOSE ENOUGH TO BE STRUCK BY LIGHTNING.

&&

LAT...LON 3648 8266 3645 8270 3642 8267 3642 8269
3641 8266 3632 8267 3630 8314 3634 8316
3634 8318 3631 8318 3632 8320 3630 8321
3628 8368 3659 8367 3659 8265
TIME...MOT...LOC 0057Z 266DEG 41KT 3648 8334

$$

DH


Quoting weatherh98:
I love how we put value on a peice of paper that's worth nothing... IT'S A PEICE OF PAPER!!!!
Yes backed by the entire US government and supported by the global economy. You want to go back to the good old days of trading chickens and such? Its a terrible bother to carry herds of goats around instead of a wallet.
Quoting RTSplayer:


If 100 million dollars magically appeared in equal distribute bills in each of 100 different people's living rooms, and they spent the money, it wouldn't effect the value of the dollar one bit.

Additionally, after several transactions and the money changes hands a few times, state and local governments would make millions in revenues from the extra sales tax.


If all the creditors want is dollars, then by all means, give them dollars.

And nobody said anything about printing trillion dollar bills. Lol. That's ridiculous.


At this point, the debt is either an imaginary number that holds no meaning, or else we're screwed anyway.

If it's the former, don't worry about it.

If it's the latter, printing some more money won't hurt anyway.
more facepalming
Quoting hurricanehunter27:
I'm gona guess your new here....

Yes :) I think 11 days qualifies as new... I've already figured out that weather is not the blogs only topic though!
Quoting TomTaylor:
more facepalming
Darwin please help us all out.
Quoting WxGeekVA:


Snow on the 3rd?


looks good to me but it that the 1st or the 3 rd? either way looks like a good storm and washington is on the snow side, any other models of this storm?
Quoting Skyepony:
Got 0.24".
nice.

got 0.00 here, been a dry and warm winter in San Diego, reached 80 at a local station today
Quoting RTSplayer:


And nobody said anything about printing trillion dollar bills. Lol. That's ridiculous.


You said we should print 15 trillion dollars...
Quoting RTSplayer:
The U.S. should print $15 trillion


post 763
Quoting hurricanehunter27:
Darwin please help us all out.
If there is a god out there...
Quoting MAweatherboy1:

Yes :) I think 11 days qualifies as new... I've already figured out that weather is not the blogs only topic though!
Yah in the off season we very rarely actually talk about solely the weather. Personally I prefer it that way as it is interesting to have an argument with other fairly intelligent people who may have drastically different views. Helps with perspective.
Quoting RTSplayer:


That can't be right dude.

I tend have several thousand dollars cash at any given time.

I figure it takes about $63 billion per weak just to make payroll.

Plus, you're not counting virtual currency in electronic transactions.

That is how much paper money is in circulation.
Quoting MAweatherboy1:

Yes :) I think 11 days qualifies as new... I've already figured out that weather is not the blogs only topic though!
BTW welcome to the blog always good to have new faces show up that actually want to contribute to the community that is the comment section of Dr.Masters blog.
Quoting TomTaylor:


You said we should print 15 trillion dollars...


post 763



lol, gotem
Quoting hurricanehunter27:
BTW welcome to the blog always good to have new faces show up that actually want to contribute to the community that is the comment section of Dr.Masters blog.

Thank you!
Quoting hurricanehunter27:
Yes backed by the entire US government and supported by the global economy. You want to go back to the good old days of trading chickens and such? Its a terrible bother to carry herds of goats around instead of a wallet.


the problem with currency is it doesn't evaluate things in a fair manner. It presents only one dimension of evaluation.


I had considered developing an "energy standard", sort of like the "gold standard," but it quickly becomes obvious that doesn't work.

Example.

If you defined a dollar in terms of Joules of energy, then let's say a gallon of gasoline is 131,000,000Joules. And we define a standard currency unit as exactly 1 gallon of gasoline worth of energy.

Well, it won't work for the same reason paper money doesn't work. The food you eat in a day on a 2000 calorie per day diet comes to 4,200,000Joules, and depending on what you ate, even if you ate "cheap", that much food actually costs more than the price of a gallon of gasoline, even though it is far lower in energy value.

If food and gasoline were priced on energy value, then you could buy a month's worth of food for the same price as a gallon of gasoline.


Since the Joule is a universal unit of energy (or rather a convenient unit for simple calculations) and since energy obeys universal laws which are un-biased, then the system could not be inflated.

But there is still a problem with it, in that many things we buy for structural properties or other properties besides just "energy," and so the scale would still not be a fair evaluation of those products.

Many things are simply not even on the same spectrum of values, when you think about it rationally.

a painting vs food vs a computer vs a hammer vs a gallon of gasoline...

Are all of those things seriously evaluated in the same paper dollars? Presently, yes, but it is a completely ridiculous form of trade which always ends up screwing somebody over in the end.
Quoting TomTaylor:


You said we should print 15 trillion dollars...


post 763


Correct. I said 15 trillion dollars in 5, 10, 20, 100...I never said anything about any ridiculous "trillion dollar bill," like that absurd Zimbabwe note.
I thought I heard someone on the Weather Channel this afternoon mention that the blob of storms in the NE Gulf was a product of unusually warm waters for this time of year. 'Just guessing that the blob that zipped across the NE Gulf and the northern FL Peninsula was a mesoscale complex, but whether that's right or wrong, does anyone know if it really was a product of the extra-warm Gulf waters we've got out there?

(t.i.a.)
Quoting RTSplayer:


the problem with currency is it doesn't evaluate things in a fair manner. It presents only one dimension of evaluation.


I had considered developing an "energy standard", sort of like the "gold standard," but it quickly becomes obvious that doesn't work.

Example.

If you defined a dollar in terms of Joules of energy, then let's say a gallon of gasoline is 131,000,000Joules. And we define a standard currency unit as exactly 1 gallon of gasoline worth of energy.

Well, it won't work for the same reason paper money doesn't work. The food you eat in a day on a 2000 calorie per day diet comes to 4,200,000Joules, and depending on what you ate, even if you ate "cheap", that much food actually costs more than the price of a gallon of gasoline, even though it is far lower in energy value.

If food and gasoline were priced on energy value, then you could buy a month's worth of food for the same price as a gallon of gasoline.


Since the Joule is a universal unit of energy (or rather a convenient unit for simple calculations) and since energy obeys universal laws which are un-biased, then the system could not be inflated.

But there is still a problem with it, in that many things we buy for structural properties or other properties besides just "energy," and so the scale would still not be a fair evaluation of those products.

Many things are simply not even on the same spectrum of values, when you think about it rationally.

a painting vs food vs a computer vs a hammer vs a gallon of gasoline...

Are all of those things seriously evaluated in the same paper dollars? Presently, yes, but it is a completely ridiculous form of trade which always ends up screwing somebody over in the end.
I'm impressed by this and at the same time I'm not. I think you want to look more into a researched based economy. At some point humanity will be ready for it but not with our current technology. That is why I support the monetary system until it seems humanity has come to the point it can handle it.
Quoting RTSplayer:


Correct. I said 15 trillion dollars in 5, 10, 20, 100...I never said anything about any ridiculous "trillion dollar bill," like that absurd Zimbabwe note.
It would have the same affect if you printed 15 one-trillion dollar bills as if you printed the same amount in other notes such as the 5, 10, 20, and 100.
Quoting MAweatherboy1:
Wow! Wasn't expecting this situation to develop so quickly.


HRRR nailed it!
1064. Patrap
GOM Sea Height Anomaly


2012



2011
did i MISS anything?
So anyway, a system of trade based on the laws of physics, time, space, energy, matter, etc, would be unbiased and always provide equal service for equal service.

Currency is unfair because it collapses all dimension to a single dimension, which clearly cannot capture the true essence of the multi-dimensional, multi-variable world, which is the economics of physics.
Quoting RTSplayer:


Correct. I said 15 trillion dollars in 5, 10, 20, 100...I never said anything about any ridiculous "trillion dollar bill," like that absurd Zimbabwe note.
True, but in my opinion, your idea is equally absurd.

Anyway I'm done here. Sorry for ripping into you today, but you post a lot of things I strongly disagree with...like denying evolution, denying the life cycle of a main sequence star, saying we should print 15 trillion dollars and thinking that trains magically go from 16mph to 0mph in a hundredth of a second.
Winter storm warning issued for summits of Hawaii Big Island
Posted on February 22, 2012
February 22, 2012 HAWAII - The National Weather Service in Honolulu has issued a winter storm warning for the summits of Mauna Kea and Mauna Loa until 6 a.m. Wednesday (Feb 22) for elevations above 8,000 feet. A winter storm warning means significant amounts of snow, sleet and ice are expected or is occurring. Strong winds are also possible. Sleet, snow and freezing rain will make for hazardous conditions for drivers and hikers. An additional three to four inches of snowfall is expected this afternoon and evening. As of 12:24 p.m. Tuesday (Feb 21) Mauna Kea Summit Access Road is closed at the Visitor Information Station due to ice and snow on roadways. Mauna Kea Rangers report that it is doubtful the road will be open today due to poor weather. A wind advisory is also in effect for Big Island summits over 8,000 feet until 6 a.m. Wednesday (Feb 22). Currently winds are 20-30 mph with gusts up to 45 mph. Winds this strong can bring down tree branches and make driving difficult, especially for high profile vehicles. Hawaii 247

enough with this currency stuff.....you all arent, nor can do anything about it, you will do whatever the government tells you to do.

How about these models pumping out this big noreaste the around march 2nd??????
Tazmaniac has been calling for a major El Nino event. Can anyone explain how this might impact the Zimbawbee monetary crisis?
Quoting RTSplayer:
So anyway, a system of trade based on the laws of physics, time, space, energy, matter, etc, would be unbiased and always provide equal service for equal service.

Currency is unfair because it collapses all dimension to a single dimension, which clearly cannot capture the true essence of the multi-dimensional, multi-variable world, which is the economics of physics.


Quoting TomTaylor:
True, but in my opinion, your idea is equally absurd.

Anyway I'm done here. Sorry for ripping into you today, but you post a lot of things I strongly disagree with...like denying evolution, denying the life cycle of a main sequence star, saying we should print 15 trillion dollars and thinking that trains magically go from 16mph to 0mph in a hundredth of a second.


If they ran into me they would ;)
Dollars are kind of like stocks. Each one worth 1/1,000,000,000,000
Of the United States value. Increasing the number of dollars just make the fraction larger. The value of the United States is the same. Not a perfect analogy but the easiest way I can explain it.
Quoting RTSplayer:
So anyway, a system of trade based on the laws of physics, time, space, energy, matter, etc, would be unbiased and always provide equal service for equal service.

Currency is unfair because it collapses all dimension to a single dimension, which clearly cannot capture the true essence of the multi-dimensional, multi-variable world, which is the economics of physics.
Ok I figured you out. What you want to see is the world go into a researched based economy. I actually fully support it but the fact is human technology and the mind set for such is not yet in place for one. Your a bit ahead of your time and need to stop acting as if its already in place. Until we are ready for such an economy the monetary system is the best solution. I have to admit you really give off the wrong message with how you were speaking.
Quoting Texasdrifter:
Dollars are kind of like stocks. Each one worth 1/1,000,000,000,000
Of the United States value. Increasing the number of dollars just make the fraction larger. The value of the United States is the same. Not a perfect analogy but the easiest way I can explain it.


Good analogy.
Quoting hurricanehunter27:
It would have the same affect if you printed 15 one-trillion dollar bills as if you printed the same amount in other notes such as the 5, 10, 20, and 100.


No, it wouldn't.

a 1-trillion dollar bill is useless except to make a transaction of 1 trillion dollars, which absolutely nobody ever does. Effectively making the bill "worthless".

1 billion "hundred dollar bills" can still be spent in ordinary transactions.
Quoting TomTaylor:




It's over your head. Lol.



Cloud height decreasing on Earth and NASA scientists are unsure why
Posted on February 22, 2012
February 22, 2012 – EARTH - Earth’s clouds got a little lower — about one percent on average — during the first decade of this century, finds a new NASA-funded university study based on NASA satellite data. The results have potential implications for future global climate. Data from NASA’s MISR instrument on NASA’s Terra spacecraft show that global average cloud height declined by about 1 percent over the decade from 2000 to 2010, or around 100 to 130 feet (30 to 40 meters). Lead researcher Roger Davies said that while the record is too short to be definitive, it provides a hint that something quite important might be going on. Longer-term monitoring will be required to determine the significance of the observation for global temperatures. A consistent reduction in cloud height would allow Earth to cool to space more efficiently, reducing the surface temperature of the planet and potentially slowing the effects of global warming. This may represent a “negative feedback” mechanism – a change caused by global warming that works to counteract it. “We don’t know exactly what causes the cloud heights to lower,” says Davies. “But it must be due to a change in the circulation patterns that give rise to cloud formation at high altitude.” NASA’s Terra spacecraft is scheduled to continue gathering data through the remainder of this decade. Scientists will continue to monitor the MISR data closely to see if this trend continues. –Physics

Quoting RTSplayer:


No, it wouldn't.

a 1-trillion dollar bill is useless except to make a transaction of 1 trillion dollars, which absolutely nobody ever does. Effectively making the bill "worthless".

1 billion "hundred dollar bills" can still be spent in ordinary transactions.
Yes but it would have the same affect on inflation. YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER ABOUT INFLATIONNNNN!!!
Quoting RTSplayer:


No, it wouldn't.

a 1-trillion dollar bill is useless except to make a transaction of 1 trillion dollars, which absolutely nobody ever does. Effectively making the bill "worthless".

1 billion "hundred dollar bills" can still be spent in ordinary transactions.
No, someone could break the trillion dollar bill for ten billion one hundred dollar bills.

Problem solved.
Quoting RTSplayer:


No, it wouldn't.

a 1-trillion dollar bill is useless except to make a transaction of 1 trillion dollars, which absolutely nobody ever does. Effectively making the bill "worthless".

1 billion "hundred dollar bills" can still be spent in ordinary transactions.


It would still make the value of the dollar almost 0, its stupid.
Quoting Texasdrifter:
Dollars are kind of like stocks. Each one worth 1/1,000,000,000,000
Of the United States value. Increasing the number of dollars just make the fraction larger. The value of the United States is the same. Not a perfect analogy but the easiest way I can explain it.
This would be true if we were still on the gold standard.
El nino will be here in fall at the rate it's forming.I'm surprised La nina has actually collasped this fast.Mmmmm....
Quoting TomTaylor:
True, but in my opinion, your idea is equally absurd.

Anyway I'm done here. Sorry for ripping into you today, but you post a lot of things I strongly disagree with...like denying evolution, denying the life cycle of a main sequence star, saying we should print 15 trillion dollars and thinking that trains magically go from 16mph to 0mph in a hundredth of a second.


Denying evolution isn't exactly true of what I've said.

It's clear things change.

The difference is in how and why they change, and I think the order and manner in which I believe things to be.

atheists claim to believe life and the universe are an accident.

I find this preposterous.

When you really dig into the facts, the real physicists believe in God whether they realize it or not. They are always looking for a deeper origin of the universe through attempting to discover, define, and describe more fundamental layers of reality.

As I said a few days ago, both the Bible and Aquinas equate God to "The rational principle that governs the universe".

Any attempt to describe or understand the universe is ultimately an attempt to understand God, or at the very least any intermediate mechanisms he employed through creation.

I cannot accept the atheist belief in life as a random accident or some combination of chance and selection, because that is not rational. The universe is far too ordered and even redundant in it's very laws for randomness or chance to be considered as rational. Many modern scientists are beginning to realize that.
1085. bappit
More water vapor in the air, the lower the LCL?
Quoting uncwhurricane85:
enough with this currency stuff.....you all arent, nor can do anything about it, you will do whatever the government tells you to do.

How about these models pumping out this big noreaste the around march 2nd??????


currency < weather..............get it together!
Quoting RTSplayer:


Denying evolution isn't exactly true of what I've said.

It's clear things change.

The difference is in how and why they change, and I think the order and manner in which I believe things to be.

atheists claim to believe life and the universe are an accident.

I find this preposterous.

When you really dig into the facts, the real physicists believe in God whether they realize it or not. They are always looking for a deeper origin of the universe through attempting to discover, define, and describe more fundamental layers of reality.

As I said a few days ago, both the Bible and Aquinas equate God to "The rational principle that governs the universe".

Any attempt to describe or understand the universe is ultimately an attempt to understand God, or at the very least any intermediate mechanisms he employed through creation.

I cannot accept the atheist belief in life as a random accident or some combination of chance and selection, because that is not rational. The universe is far too ordered and even redundant in it's very laws for randomness or chance to be considered as rational. Many modern scientists are beginning to realize that.
Are you a Star Trek character? You are the most interesting poster I'v ever seen.
Quoting hurricanehunter27:
This would be true if we were still on the gold standard.

I did say it wasn't perfect. How would you explain it?
Quoting RTSplayer:


Denying evolution isn't exactly true of what I've said.

It's clear things change.

The difference is in how and why they change, and I think the order and manner in which I believe things to be.

atheists claim to believe life and the universe are an accident.

I find this preposterous.

When you really dig into the facts, the real physicists believe in God whether they realize it or not. They are always looking for a deeper origin of the universe through attempting to discover, define, and describe more fundamental layers of reality.

As I said a few days ago, both the Bible and Aquinas equate God to "The rational principle that governs the universe".

Any attempt to describe or understand the universe is ultimately an attempt to understand God, or at the very least any intermediate mechanisms he employed through creation.

I cannot accept the atheist belief in life as a random accident or some combination of chance and selection, because that is not rational. The universe is far too ordered and even redundant in it's very laws for randomness or chance to be considered as rational. Many modern scientists are beginning to realize that.


Yet giving the credit for all the order in the universe to a magic sky wizard (of any particular denomination) is completely irrational as well.
WARNING THIS POST IS ABOUT WEATHER.Anyway tomorrow will be 70 degrees.We've had a mini heat wave(for february anyway)so far.However temps are suppose to be near average by Saturday.The flowers were sroupting outside.I noticed this when I decided to have lunch outside the office today.Weird...
Quoting washingtonian115:
El nino will be here in fall at the rate it's forming.I'm surprised La nina has actually collasped this fast.Mmmmm....


Look how the Pacific has warmed in a short period of time.

Quoting Texasdrifter:

I did say it wasn't perfect. How would you explain it?
Well its actually incredibly hard to explain how the current economy works in terms of currency. If I knew how to explain it to you it would take several years. But what your analogy was perfect for is if we were still on a gold standard. Its much easier to prove something wrong then to prove something to be true.
Quoting PensacolaDoug:


Good analogy.

Thank you.
Quoting Tropicsweatherpr:


Look how the Pacific has warmed in a short period of time.



at this rate i dont think i would be out of line to say it could be here by early summer...hmmm...
Quoting Tropicsweatherpr:


Look how the Pacific has warmed in a short period of time.

Doesn't look like this one will be a modeki(did I spell that right?) El nino.Looks like once again the warm water will be by South America again.
Quoting hurricanehunter27:
Well its actually incredibly hard to explain how the current economy works in terms of currency. If I knew how to explain it to you it would take several years. But what your analogy was perfect for is if we were still on a gold standard. Its much easier to prove something wrong then to prove something to be true.

That was why I said value of U.S. as opposed to our gold reserve. I was just trying to explain why we couldn't print our way out of it.
Quoting RTSplayer:
I cannot accept the atheist belief in life as a random accident or some combination of chance and selection, because that is not rational. The universe is far too ordered and even redundant in it's very laws for randomness or chance to be considered as rational.
You're certainly within your rights to not accept that. But, again, something isn't irrational (in the logical sense of that world) simply because someone doesn't understand it; to believe otherwise requires, I think, a very narrow world view and an unhealthy dose of ego.
Quoting RTSplayer:
Many modern scientists are beginning to realize that.
Now, this is surprising news. Will you kindly supply a list of names?
And just when we were talking about weather this BS appears...
I have a new blog out concerning the quiet tropical acnd possible development. Doesnt look good for Madagascar. Link
Quoting washingtonian115:
El nino will be here in fall at the rate it's forming.I'm surprised La nina has actually collasped this fast.Mmmmm....


i bet you have changed thru about 50 different avatars this year LOL.

:D

i forgot to put a warning up also that my previous comment contained information about the weather.
1101. j2008
Quoting hurricanehunter27:
Are you a Star Trek character? You are the most interesting poster I'v ever seen.
To boldly go where no blogger has gone before. To the realm of sanity.
Quoting Xyrus2000:


Yep, and I have a 100 billion dollar bill from Zimbabwe to prove how well it worked. :D

Though that's worth less than a fraction of penny now. They're printing 100 trillion dollar bills now.


Interesting discussion...
Actually, according to this article, those bills have soared in value - as collectibles on ebay!

Sadly for Zimbabweans, a few pounds of stones of the Great Enclosure are more valuable than their currency...
Quoting j2008:
To boldly go where no blogger has gone before. To the realm of sanity.
I thought we've already seen that many times on this blog...
Quoting sunlinepr:


Cloud height decreasing on Earth and NASA scientists are unsure why
Posted on February 22, 2012
February 22, 2012 – EARTH - Earth’s clouds got a little lower — about one percent on average — during the first decade of this century, finds a new NASA-funded university study based on NASA satellite data. The results have potential implications for future global climate. Data from NASA’s MISR instrument on NASA’s Terra spacecraft show that global average cloud height declined by about 1 percent over the decade from 2000 to 2010, or around 100 to 130 feet (30 to 40 meters). Lead researcher Roger Davies said that while the record is too short to be definitive, it provides a hint that something quite important might be going on. Longer-term monitoring will be required to determine the significance of the observation for global temperatures. A consistent reduction in cloud height would allow Earth to cool to space more efficiently, reducing the surface temperature of the planet and potentially slowing the effects of global warming. This may represent a “negative feedback” mechanism – a change caused by global warming that works to counteract it. “We don’t know exactly what causes the cloud heights to lower,” says Davies. “But it must be due to a change in the circulation patterns that give rise to cloud formation at high altitude.” NASA’s Terra spacecraft is scheduled to continue gathering data through the remainder of this decade. Scientists will continue to monitor the MISR data closely to see if this trend continues. –Physics



Might be hard to compare that to other climate time-scale data. Usually on climatic timescales things are discussed in decadal averages. We just got one decade in that plot and its being analyzed for a trend instead of an average. Will be interesting to see if other data backs this up, and what physical mechanisms are hypothesized to describe the phenomena. Not saying it isn't happening, but color me skeptical.
Quoting Tropicsweatherpr:


Look how the Pacific has warmed in a short period of time.



Looking more and more like an EL Nino year. I think we'll see the forecasts from the experts get lowered. Probably a 10-6-1 type of year. Depending on how strong it gets, we could see most storms occur early in the season.
Quoting Naga5000:


Yet giving the credit for all the order in the universe to a magic sky wizard (of any particular denomination) is completely irrational as well.


By definition, God is equated to "the rational principle that governs the universe," therefore your statement cannot be true.
Quoting hurricanehunter27:
Are you a Star Trek character? You are the most interesting poster I'v ever seen.


I wish. Then I could solve any problem in just one hour, minus commercial breaks, lol.

I'm just complicated.
The sky is falling! THE SKY IS FALLING!!!

Okay, only the "global average cloud height decreased by around 1 percent over the decade, a distance of 100 to 130 feet (30 to 40 meters). Most of the reduction stemmed from fewer clouds forming at very high altitudes." But still...
looks like alot of light rain moving through central VA..
Quoting Neapolitan:
You're certainly within your rights to not accept that. But, again, something isn't irrational (in the logical sense of that world) simply because someone doesn't understand it;


Ah, then you have defeated your own self. I hope you see that.

I've used the same argument myself.

"In the beginning was the Logos and the Logos was with God and the Logos was God...all things were made by him..."

to believe otherwise requires, I think, a very narrow world view and an unhealthy dose of ego.Now, this is surprising news. Will you kindly supply a list of names?


Half a moment.


But probability math represents reality even less fully, for obvious reasons. Probability math gives us only probabilities.

This used to be common sense. Mathematicians understood that probabilities were probabilities. Probabilities were imprecise, due to the very definition of the word. But scientists in the 20th century could not live with this imprecision. They were so proud of their new theory that they could not bear to admit that it was not a full expression of reality. They couldn’t live with the “gap” in knowledge. So they simply closed the gap, by main force. They just defined
probability as reality. They said, in effect, “This is what we know. Our math is all we know and it is all we can know. Therefore, it is reality for us. Therefore it is reality.”
- Miles Mathis

Two Steps Back, One Leap Forward, Full Paper by Steven Oostdijk


I found this paper incredibly interesting, because it not only highlights some things I've pointed out, but also many things I didn't think about.Some of his citations are considered crankery, and yet ironically, these people have stumped mainstream theorists and are extremely adept at showing both philosophical and topological problems with mainstream theory.

The main connection here is the section where he tears into the probabilistic model of QM.

Also of interest, deriving relativity with only high school level math, and it's simpler and easier to work with.

This is not dodging the question at all, but gets right to the heart of the matter.

The ridiculously small probabilities involved in the universe are explained away by atheists in modern times as a combination of the anthropic principle and a "many worlds" interpretation of QM, which is to say, "if there's infinite universes one of them was bound to contain us, it's only looking special because we're observing it..."

That is just completely ridiculous, and is a fallacy anyway, because it assumes all possibilities or all probabilities represent realities. They don't.

When you flip a coin it will either land heads or tails, except in an absurdly rare case where it may land on edge and stick. In any case, what happens is real. The probabilities are imaginary constructs to try to show "possibilities," but even possibilities are not real.

Real is what actually happens.
Quoting RTSplayer:


Ah, then you have defeated your own self. I hope you see that.

I've used the same argument myself.

"In the beginning was the Logos and the Logos was with God and the Logos was God...all things were made by him..."

to believe otherwise requires, I think, a very narrow world view and an unhealthy dose of ego.Now, this is surprising news. Will you kindly supply a list of names?


Half a moment.


But probability math represents reality even less fully, for obvious reasons. Probability math gives us only probabilities.

This used to be common sense. Mathematicians understood that probabilities were probabilities. Probabilities were imprecise, due to the very definition of the word. But scientists in the 20th century could not live with this imprecision. They were so proud of their new theory that they could not bear to admit that it was not a full expression of reality. They couldn’t live with the “gap” in knowledge. So they simply closed the gap, by main force. They just defined
probability as reality. They said, in effect, “This is what we know. Our math is all we know and it is all we can know. Therefore, it is reality for us. Therefore it is reality.”
- Miles Mathis

Two Steps Back, One Leap Forward, Full Paper by Steven Oostdijk


I found this paper incredibly interesting, because it not only highlights some things I've pointed out, but also many things I didn't think about.Some of his citations are considered crankery, and yet ironically, these people have stumped mainstream theorists and are extremely adept at showing both philosophical and topological problems with mainstream theory.

The main connection here is the section where he tears into the probabilistic model of QM.

Also of interest, deriving relativity with only high school level math, and it's simpler and easier to work with.

This is not dodging the question at all, but gets right to the heart of the matter.

The ridiculously small probabilities involved in the universe are explained away by atheists in modern times as a combination of the anthropic principle and a "many worlds" interpretation of QM, which is to say, "if there's infinite universes one of them was bound to contain us, it's only looking special because we're observing it..."

That is just completely ridiculous, and is a fallacy anyway, because it assumes all possibilities or all probabilities represent realities. They don't.

When you flip a coin it will either land heads or tails, except in an absurdly rare case where it may land on edge and stick. In any case, what happens is real. The probabilities are imaginary constructs to try to show "possibilities," but even possibilities are not real.

Real is what actually happens.

You've really got to work on shortening your posts, lol.
Quoting RTSplayer:


By definition, God is equated to "the rational principle that governs the universe," therefore your statement cannot be true.


That's a created definition of a being that may or may not exist; your "logic" is pretty absurd and flawed.

This seems to be one of the crossroads of arguments such as this one. You and I don't share this definition of "God", your God that you equate to governance of the rational, I equate to a magic sky wizard, get it?

Sorry we can't engage each other in actual debate because the terms and definitions we use haven't been agreed upon.
Has anybody seen what the NOGAPS GFS and ECMWF has going to Madagascar next week?

Large cyclone, central Madagascar, east side! close to where Giovanna made landfall.(in my blog) :D

u can see alot of convection already in the position that this system is forecas tto take shape
Path of tsunami debris mapped out

Houses and cars were swept out to sea in Kesennuma City.
1115. Patrap

Pure energy, pure thought...

...beware the Ides of March
"the rational principle that governs the universe".. how about the irrational principle that governs the universe...
zn+1 = zn2 + i
;)
kinda off topic being this is a weather blog, but its funny buffalo is seeing their biggest snowfall of the winter season tonight!! what lake effect?
gee it got quiet. yal see what a political discussion on a weather blog can do? DESTRUCTIVE AINT IT?? lol.

night all!
back tomorow moOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOrning!

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
:):):):):):):):):):)
=p=p=p=p=p=p=p=p=p=p
Quoting Naga5000:


That's a created definition of a being that may or may not exist; your "logic" is pretty absurd and flawed.

This seems to be one of the crossroads of arguments such as this one. You and I don't share this definition of "God", your God that you equate to governance of the rational, I equate to a magic sky wizard, get it?

Sorry we can't engage each other in actual debate because the terms and definitions we use haven't been agreed upon.


Reality is what it is whether or not you agree to it's terms and definitions.

That's exactly the problem the author was addressing in the physics world in the paper I cited.

You think you get to define reality. You don't.

God is not magic and not a wizard.

Wizards and mages believe themselves to be tapping into some media greater than themselves.

God is the origin of all things.

Try again.

God is agape. Agape is love, but is also a rational, moral judgement.

Now again, the fact I don't understand does not mean it isn't rational or logical. As I've pointed out before, logic can exceed human capacity to understand, and nevertheless be perfectly valid.


You can continue with your "sky fairy / wizard / magic" argument vs God, but I will always remind you of how wrong you are.
Quoting SPLbeater:
gee it got quiet. yal see what a political discussion on a weather blog can do? DESTRUCTIVE AINT IT?? lol.



Just because you do not take an interest in politics, doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you.
Quoting RTSplayer:


Reality is what it is whether or not you agree to it's terms and definitions.

That's exactly the problem the author was addressing in the physics world in the paper I cited.

You think you get to define reality. You don't.

God is not magic and not a wizard.

Wizards and mages believe themselves to be tapping into some media greater than themselves.

God is the origin of all things.

Try again.

God is agape. Agape is love, but is also a rational, moral judgement.

Now again, the fact I don't understand does not mean it isn't rational or logical. As I've pointed out before, logic can exceed human capacity to understand, and nevertheless be perfectly valid.


You can continue with your "sky fairy / wizard / magic" argument vs God, but I will always remind you of how wrong you are.


Even if we grant you this, that doesn't strengthen your argument if you are trying to prove god's existence.
Quoting VAbeachhurricanes:


Just because you do not take an interest in politics, doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you.


In Soviet Russia, politics do YOU!
Quoting RTSplayer:


Reality is what it is whether or not you agree to it's terms and definitions.

That's exactly the problem the author was addressing in the physics world in the paper I cited.

You think you get to define reality. You don't.

God is not magic and not a wizard.

Wizards and mages believe themselves to be tapping into some media greater than themselves.

God is the origin of all things.

Try again.

God is agape. Agape is love, but is also a rational, moral judgement.

Now again, the fact I don't understand does not mean it isn't rational or logical. As I've pointed out before, logic can exceed human capacity to understand, and nevertheless be perfectly valid.


You can continue with your "sky fairy / wizard / magic" argument vs God, but I will always remind you of how wrong you are.


What's funny to me, is you actually believe the pseudo philosophical thinking that you are trying to use as evidence. And the sad part is your ending argument is a statement of rightness, somehow implying that you know the real answer while I don't. It's condescending, anti-intellectual, and flat out self important.
1125. Patrap
right as i was watching the three stooges, my weather begins blaring.

Strong line coming through to my west, south tip might git me in a few minutes.
Quoting VAbeachhurricanes:


Just because you do not take an interest in politics, doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you.


idc if i like politics or not, should it be the subject of a weather blog? nope:)

now, im back off. night all.
Quoting SPLbeater:


idc if i like politics or not, should it be the subject of a weather blog? nope:)

now, im back off. night all.

Dr. Masters sets the topics on the blog extreme weather and politics is what he picked.
Quoting uncwhurricane85:
kinda off topic being this is a weather blog, but its funny buffalo is seeing their biggest snowfall of the winter season tonight!! what lake effect?


Ya, Erie is pretty cold now. Near the coldest they'll get before warming back up. This isn't getting any enhancement.

Link
ok back. radio went off again. this time for the county to my northwest. maybe the line will maintain itself until it gets past me, hopefully not.

I dont like nighttime sever thunderstorms.

b back if it go off again :D
Quoting SPLbeater:
ok back. radio went off again. this time for the county to my northwest. maybe the line will maintain itself until it gets past me, hopefully not.

I dont like nighttime sever thunderstorms.

b back if it go off again :D


I'm hoping for some more nighttime thundersnow before the season is over. I seen two separate occasions this season, and two last season here in southwest MI. It's one of my favorite weather events. Winds have always been light.
I usually don't like nighttime severe thunderstorms ether, but I won't see those for another month. Maybe a little earlier due to the above average March temps.
Quoting Slamguitar:


I'm hoping for some more nighttime thundersnow before the season is over. I seen two separate occasions this season, and two last season here in southwest MI. It's one of my favorite weather events. Winds have always been light.
I usually don't like nighttime severe thunderstorms ether, but I won't see those for another month. Maybe a little earlier due to the above average March temps.


observing the radar, SRM and VIL loops i have set up at the moment, why go back to bed since this line is intensifying? lol.

MI stands for...missouri? is dat right?
Quoting SPLbeater:


observing the radar, SRM and VIL loops i have set up at the moment, why go back to bed since this line is intensifying? lol.

MI stands for...missouri? is dat right?


Michigan. Missouri is MO. All I have to track is a little line of sleet/snow. Some say I'll have 4 - 6 inches with a heavy snow event tomorrow, which would probably we only the 4th time such an amount fell in a 24 hour period this season, all of which I think were in January.
just heard a low rumble of thunder...ok 2 rumbles..,to my west.

I have missed this all winter!!
Quoting Slamguitar:


Michigan. Missouri is MO. All I have to track is a little line of sleet/snow. Some say I'll have 4 - 6 inches with a heavy snow event tomorrow, which would probably we only the 4th time such an amount fell in a 24 hour period this season, all of which I think were in January.


i should have known that MO was missuori lol.

have fun with your sleet/snow!

i had a quarter inch o that stuff last sunday night.
Quoting SPLbeater:


i should have known that MO was missuori lol.

have fun with your sleet/snow!

i had a quarter inch o that stuff last sunday night.


Ya, I seen your pics. :D I do a crazy amount of lurking. That's more snow than I've gotten this whole month. Just .20" being the most at once I've gotten.
holy mackerel listen to that rain against the house...and dat wind......gotta be some gusts to 35-40mph out there, maybe higher
well, that was refreshing. :D a 15 minute period of strong gusty winds, heavy rain blowing in sheets, and my brother walking in here to see whats happening. Night all, this thing is past me, halfway through my weather radio warning area. So goodnight!

Pardon me if i get a bit edgy tomorrow, did not intend on staying up tonight, but I guess the Lord had other ideas with the weather, lol.
1139. guygee
You leave out several essential facts, not the least of them being, "Zimbabwe ain't got no nukes, baby!"
Quoting WxGeekVA(1030):


Wow... Just wow.....Zimbabwean dollar
[...]
1140. bappit
This dude is out there.

Quoting bappit:
This dude is out there.



SCIENCE!
1142. LargoFl
Quoting HurrikanEB:
Path of tsunami debris mapped out

Houses and cars were swept out to sea in Kesennuma City.
simply amazing, the sheer power, of...water,those poor people
Quoting RTSplayer:
So anyway, a system of trade based on the laws of physics, time, space, energy, matter, etc, would be unbiased and always provide equal service for equal service.

Currency is unfair because it collapses all dimension to a single dimension, which clearly cannot capture the true essence of the multi-dimensional, multi-variable world, which is the economics of physics.


Currency is based on the market value of "what i want". Instead of an objective physical value, it is based on a psychological value. Oh to be someone who wants what other people don't in this system.

A physical system will be just as corrupt in that the physical system is multi-dimenasional as well. Creating a monetary system based on a single dimension will ignore the other dimensions and will result either in destruction of the things based on the other dimensions, or else a black market.
Quoting RTSplayer:


Denying evolution isn't exactly true of what I've said.

It's clear things change.

The difference is in how and why they change, and I think the order and manner in which I believe things to be.

atheists claim to believe life and the universe are an accident.

I find this preposterous.

When you really dig into the facts, the real physicists believe in God whether they realize it or not. They are always looking for a deeper origin of the universe through attempting to discover, define, and describe more fundamental layers of reality.

As I said a few days ago, both the Bible and Aquinas equate God to "The rational principle that governs the universe".

Any attempt to describe or understand the universe is ultimately an attempt to understand God, or at the very least any intermediate mechanisms he employed through creation.

I cannot accept the atheist belief in life as a random accident or some combination of chance and selection, because that is not rational. The universe is far too ordered and even redundant in it's very laws for randomness or chance to be considered as rational. Many modern scientists are beginning to realize that.


Athiests don't claim any of the above necessarily. You are defining atheism as the opposite of whatever you personally believe in (I think).

I've always been curious what other beliefs were in detail more than whether or not they coincided with Atheism or not. For example, I think the Brahmans believe that we are all thoughts in the mind of God and that the Universe is The Mind of God. i don't think it makes sense to ask if that is Atheist or not but I think it is close to what a lot of scientists think.

In the same way, to redicule what scientists believe as Atheist is a bit simplistic.

- but thanks for 'agape'. I thought it was a color somewhere between the color of the desert in the morning and the color of the feeling you get when you see the ocean when you are really thirsty. Macroemotional synesthesia versus christian love... nice swing from arete.. the greek excellence as opposed to the christian 'good'.
1145. bappit
The rational principle that governs the universe is just a demiurge. If you insist on theism, God is still floating outside all of that.
1146. LargoFl
good morning! 66 and damp outside, got a few sprinkles of rain last night, just enough to wet the grass..but its something..we need the rain here...have a great day everyone
GFS is agreeing with the Euro on the storm on the 3rd now....

Quoting WxGeekVA:
GFS is agreeing with the Euro on the storm on the 3rd now....


As much as I would love for that to come true, it is 228 hours away, and there is no way it will pan out like that.
1149. bappit
Shades of last spring for SE Texas. From Houston-Galveston NWS forecast discussion:

IT LOOKS LIKE TODAY WILL BE ANOTHER UNSEASONABLY WARM DAY TODAY WITH FORECASTED MAX TEMPS IN THE MID 80S. CRP AND LCH SOUNDINGS AT 00Z SHOW 850MB TEMPS AROUND 18-20C ALREADY. 00Z 850MB ANALYSIS HAS 16C TEMPS OVER THE NORTHERN PORTION OF SE TX. A GENERAL WEST FLOW SHOULD CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THESE TEMPS WITH STRONG CAPPING DUE TO AN ELEVATED MIX LAYER. HIGH CLOUDS MAY BE THE ONLY THING TO KEEP MAX TEMPS FROM THE UPPER 80S BUT SUSPECT THAT THERE MAY BE AN AREA OR TWO THAT REACH THE UPPER 80S TODAY.

The dry line reached the western edge of east Texas yesterday.
Link

Looks interesting over the ohio valley. Too bad it is gonna miss my house.
The last few years of severe weather have been terrible around me.
Mid to upper 80's here in Orlando today and upper 80's to near 90 tomorrow. Very impressive and so were the storms that rolled thru yesterday.


DAY 2 CONVECTIVE OUTLOOK
NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
1232 AM CST THU FEB 23 2012

VALID 241200Z - 251200Z

...THERE IS A SLGT RISK OF SVR TSTMS FROM SERN GA THROUGH THE ERN
CAROLINAS...

...SYNOPSIS...

MODEL SOLUTIONS HAVE CONVERGED REGARDING TIMING AND AMPLITUDE OF NRN
STREAM TROUGH THAT WILL AMPLIFY OVER THE ERN U.S. AS STRONG UPPER
JET DROPS SEWD FROM THE NRN ROCKY MOUNTAIN REGION INTO THE MID MS
AND OH VALLEYS. THE AMPLIFYING TROUGH WILL INDUCE A SFC CYCLONE THAT
WILL LIKELY BE LOCATED OVER THE ERN PORTION OF THE OH VALLEY EARLY
FRIDAY WITH TRAILING COLD FRONT EXTENDING SWWD INTO THE SRN
APPALACHIANS AND SRN TX. THE FRONT IS EXPECTED TO EXIT THE TX COAST
EARLY FRIDAY AND THE CAROLINA COASTS FRIDAY AFTERNOON OR EARLY
EVENING.

...SERN STATES...

A FEW THUNDERSTORMS SHOULD BE IN PROGRESS EARLY FRIDAY WITHIN ZONE
OF FRONTAL ASCENT OVER A PORTION OF THE SERN STATES FROM LA NEWD
INTO GA AND THE SRN APPALACHIANS. ACTIVITY WILL DEVELOP EWD THROUGH
THE WARM SECTOR DURING THE DAY. PRIMARY LLJ IS FORECAST TO MIGRATE
FROM GA INTO THE ERN CAROLINAS WHERE IT WILL TRANSPORT AN AXIS OF
LOW-MID 60S DEWPOINTS. HOWEVER...WIDESPREAD CLOUDS WILL RESULT IN
LIMITED INSTABILITY...AND FORECAST SOUNDINGS INDICATE A CAPPING
INVERSION IN WARM SECTOR WHICH SUGGESTS DEEPER CONVECTION SHOULD
REMAIN CONFINED TO THE FRONTAL ZONE. THE MARGINAL THERMODYNAMIC
ENVIRONMENT WILL PROBABLY SERVE AS A LIMITING FACTOR FOR A MORE
ROBUST SEVERE THREAT. A MODEST POTENTIAL WILL EXIST FOR ISOLATED
STRONG WIND GUSTS AS CONVECTION DEVELOPS THROUGH SERN GA AND THE ERN
CAROLINAS BEFORE THE COLD FRONT MOVES OFFSHORE.

...TX...

COLD FRONT WILL MOVE OFF THE SOUTH TX COAST EARLY IN THE PERIOD.
HOWEVER...POTENTIAL EXISTS FOR THE UPPER LOW OVER NRN MEXICO TO
AUGMENT ASCENT IN THE POST FRONTAL ZONE LATER THE DAY. SUFFICIENT
ELEVATED INSTABILITY AND EFFECTIVE SHEAR MAY EXIST TO SUPPORT A
THREAT FOR HAIL...BUT COVERAGE IS EXPECTED TO REMAIN ISOLATED.

Folks we could have a weak El-Nino by June 1st with steady intensification thru the summer months.

nice unexpected rain last night e cen fl.
Folks listen I believe every single model run no matter how far out it is, 200 hours? Its gold! And then i hype it up realllllyyy good and if it pans out i can say i told you so! and if it doesnt? well i'll just lay low for a few days so you forget about it. Anyways, folks, the rainy season is gonna be here in FL soon!!
Quoting StormTracker2K:
Folks we could have a weak El-Nino by June 1st with steady intensification thru the summer months.

I knew it.We're using the cursed hurricane list.Something always goes wrong when using this list....I expect a below average hurricane season.I don't think this one will be a modeki el nino.The proof is already occuring near the coast of South America.all the warm water seems to be bundled there except for the middle of the pacific.
1157. LargoFl
CHICAGO winter storm watch, 6-10 inches of snow forecasted!
There's a lot of pleasant warmth today where there was a lot of unpleasant cold just a few weeks ago. For instance, much of the UK and western Europe is above normal, and there are even a handful of record high temperatures being tied or set. These are some nice numbers for late February (10C = 50F; 16C = 60F):

Nice

Meanwhile, things are a little wacky in India. In Mumbai, where temperatures dropped into the upper 40s a few weeks ago, temps this week have crossed the 100-degree mark.

----------------------------------------------

Meanwhile here in the good old U.S, record highs are still outnumbering record lows by a wide margin. Since January 1, a total of 2,707 daily high temperature records have been broken, while just 193 daily low temperature records have. And now with the strong La Nina losing its grip, look for things to warm up even more as some of the heat energy stored in the oceans is released to the atmosphere...
How deep is the warm water off South America?
Deniers leak secret plan to miseducate US schoolchildren

Category: Creationism • Culture Wars • Policy and Politics
Posted on: February 20, 2012 1:13 AM, by Josh Rosenau

A secret fundraising document from a shadowy anti-science institute was accidentally made public. The document candidly lays out the anti-science agenda of group, including efforts to undermine science education in public schools, but also plans to broadly redefine society.

The year was 1998, and the document was from the Discovery Institute. Nicknamed "The Wedge Document" by opponents of the Disco. 'tute's brand of creationism, it details plans to use attacks on evolution like the thin edge of a wedge, opening a crack which in time would break society free of "scientific materialism." Ultimately, the document explains, the Discovery Institute's plans would "replace materialistic explanations with the theistic understanding that nature and human beings are created by God."

On Valentine's Day of this year, the story repeated, but instead of exposing the anti-science agenda of creationists, it reveals the equally anti-science agenda of climate change deniers.

The Heartland Institute is a major player in the climate change denial movement, and the release has produced masses of discussion. Their files – including public IRS forms, private details of a board meeting in January, and fundraising and budget documents distributed for that meeting – were accidentally emailed to an unknown third party, who shared them with journalists including Richard Littlemore of DeSmogBlog. The documents answer many questions about Heartland, demonstrating their ties to the ultra-conservative Koch family, continuing ties to the tobacco industry (Philip Morris funded their work in the '90s), funding to supposedly independent climate change deniers like Anthony Watts, and plans to develop a $100,000 climate change denial curriculum. More here
Quoting NativeSun:
How deep is the warm water off South America?


Not very...This makes alot less confidence in ENSO forecasts at this point.

1162. hydrus
Quoting bappit:
This dude is out there.

.This is why people avoid other people.....
Quoting StormTracker2K:
Mid to upper 80's here in Orlando today and upper 80's to near 90 tomorrow. Very impressive and so were the storms that rolled thru yesterday.


Morning, Hey 2K not very impressive were i was at but i saw you got lots of rain. I also see a troll must be impressed with your forecast. He keeps copying you. Dont let it get to you, keep letting us know whats going to happen here in W FL. GOOD JOB
Quoting weatherh98:
I love how we put value on a peice of paper that's worth nothing... IT'S A PEICE OF PAPER!!!!


I love how people fail to grasp the basic concept of currency.
Quoting Xyrus2000:


I love how people fail to grasp the basic concept of currency.


It is not worth nothing, it is worth the country backing it.

Also the nam is looking good for SE severe weather so i am rooting for it.
!!!! GOOOOOO NAM!!!!!
(it is also like rooting for the home team the NORTH AMERICAN model!)
1167. hydrus
A string is a hypothetical vibrating one-dimensional sub-atomic structure and one of the main objects of study in string theory, a branch of theoretical physics. There are different string theories, many of which are unified by M-theory. A string is an object with a one-dimensional spatial extent, unlike an elementary particle which is zero-dimensional, or point-like. Quarks and electrons are thought to be made of strings.

By postulating this one-dimensional structure, many desirable features of a more fundamental theory of physics automatically emerge. Most notably, almost any theory of strings consistent with quantum mechanics must also contain quantum gravity, which had not been described consistently prior to string theory.

The characteristic length scale of strings is thought to be on the order of the Planck length, the scale at which the effects of quantum gravity are believed to become significant:

\ell_P =\sqrt{\frac{\hbar G}{c^3}} \cong 1.616 24 (12) \times 10^{-35} m
Quoting bappit:
The rational principle that governs the universe is just a demiurge. If you insist on theism, God is still floating outside all of that.
Look. You know full well by now Bap that God is a string, come on..In theoretical physics, M-theory is an extension of string theory in which 11 dimensions are identified. Because the dimensionality exceeds that of superstring theories in 10 dimensions, proponents believe that the 11-dimensional theory unites all five string theories (and supersedes them). Though a full description of the theory is not known, the low-entropy dynamics are known to be supergravity interacting with 2- and 5-dimensional membranes.

This idea is the unique supersymmetric theory in eleven dimensions, with its low-entropy matter content and interactions fully determined, and can be obtained as the strong coupling limit of type IIA string theory because a new dimension of space emerges as the coupling constant increases. The Flying Spaghetti Monster is looking more credible every day
Hey all of you know it all's, Next Tuesday thru Thursday, there's a storm coming through.
From reading the chatter on NWS chat, says it could be a big snow maker from the Mississippi Valley to the Great lakes, I would like some discussion on the models.
Yeah I know it's a week away, but I think it would bring some positive communication here.
None of the models are in agreement as of this morning, so as time goes by I would like to see comments.
There are some very confident people here who post on a regular basis.
I'm just throwing it out there for general discussion.
1169. hydrus
Quoting Xyrus2000:


I love how people fail to grasp the basic concept of currency.
I grasp its the basic concept. Greed, power, root of all evil today....Good morning..:)
Quoting hydrus:
I grasp its the basic concept. Greed, power, root of all evil today....Good morning..:)


George Soros comes to mind.

At first radical philanthropist George Soros decided he wanted to destroy America’s capitalist system and replace it with a command economy. He hasn’t even been beating around the bush about his twisted dream — and the mainstream media has no intention of calling him out for his treachery. This immigrant ingrate who miraculously survived the totalitarianism of Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union has a screw loose. Soros puts his money where his mouth is, even lending moral support to left-wing terrorist attacks against the United States.

Sort of like a Stockholm Syndrome sufferer, the seditious Soros has come to embrace the ideology of his brutal former tormentors.

“The system we have now has actually broken down, only we haven’t quite recognized it and so you need to create a new one and this is the time to do it,” Soros told the Financial Times. In an interview with Der Spiegel Soros said European-style socialism “is exactly what we need now. I am against market fundamentalism. I think this propaganda that government involvement is always bad has been very successful — but also very harmful to our society.”

Just five months ago Soros praised China effusively. “Today China has not only a more vigorous economy, but actually a better functioning government than the United States,” he said. Soros even created the Institute for New Economic Thinking (INET) and staffed it with freedom-hating socialists like Joseph Stiglitz.

Now Soros wants to annihilate capitalism worldwide. He is planning a meeting to carry out his plan. As Dan Gainor reports

On April 8, a group he’s funded with $50 million is holding a major economic conference and Soros’s goal for such an event is to “establish new international rules” and “reform the currency system.” It’s all according to a plan laid out in a Nov. 4, 2009, Soros op-ed calling for “a grand bargain that rearranges the entire financial order.”

The group, INET, is “bringing together ‘more than 200 academic, business and government policy thought leaders to repeat the famed 1944 Bretton Woods gathering that helped create the World Bank and International Monetary Fund. Soros wants a new ‘multilateral system,’ or an economic system where America isn’t so dominant,” Gainor writes.

Soros has made it clear that he supports the creation of a new world order and that Communist China should be at the very top of it. That’s Communist China where they kill surplus babies from families that violate the one-child rule. That’s Communist China where a tweet critical of the government can land you in prison. That’s Communist China where moving to another village without government permission is a crime.

Wanting to place Communist China at the head of a new international hierarchy is sick beyond words.

Soros suffers from messianic delusions. He fancies himself some kind of philosopher-king so his ambitions shouldn’t surprise anyone.

In fact it would be easy to dismiss him as a crackpot — if only his puppet and ideological soulmate didn’t reside in the White House.
Quoting bappit:
This dude is out there.



what bible is he looking at that says it aint moving? id like to see that, lol
Quoting GeorgiaStormz:


It is not worth nothing, it is worth the country backing it.

Also the nam is looking good for SE severe weather so i am rooting for it.
!!!! GOOOOOO NAM!!!!!
(it is also like rooting for the home team the NORTH AMERICAN model!)


North American Mesoscale. model. lol
Florida's NE and Central regions have been so warm and dry, that the lagoon is hypersaline, growing marine algae, shading out seagrass that feeds manatees, and forcing them south.
The good news is that clams and filter feeders are very happy, and in some areas, the grass is starting a rebound.
Wish there was more funding to document this event.
Quoting trunkmonkey:


George Soros comes to mind.

At first radical philanthropist George Soros decided he wanted to destroy America’s capitalist system and replace it with a command economy. He hasn’t even been beating around the bush about his twisted dream — and the mainstream media has no intention of calling him out for his treachery. This immigrant ingrate who miraculously survived the totalitarianism of Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union has a screw loose. Soros puts his money where his mouth is, even lending moral support to left-wing terrorist attacks against the United States.

Sort of like a Stockholm Syndrome sufferer, the seditious Soros has come to embrace the ideology of his brutal former tormentors.

“The system we have now has actually broken down, only we haven’t quite recognized it and so you need to create a new one and this is the time to do it,” Soros told the Financial Times. In an interview with Der Spiegel Soros said European-style socialism “is exactly what we need now. I am against market fundamentalism. I think this propaganda that government involvement is always bad has been very successful — but also very harmful to our society.”

Just five months ago Soros praised China effusively. “Today China has not only a more vigorous economy, but actually a better functioning government than the United States,” he said. Soros even created the Institute for New Economic Thinking (INET) and staffed it with freedom-hating socialists like Joseph Stiglitz.

Now Soros wants to annihilate capitalism worldwide. He is planning a meeting to carry out his plan. As Dan Gainor reports

On April 8, a group he’s funded with $50 million is holding a major economic conference and Soros’s goal for such an event is to “establish new international rules” and “reform the currency system.” It’s all according to a plan laid out in a Nov. 4, 2009, Soros op-ed calling for “a grand bargain that rearranges the entire financial order.”

The group, INET, is “bringing together ‘more than 200 academic, business and government policy thought leaders to repeat the famed 1944 Bretton Woods gathering that helped create the World Bank and International Monetary Fund. Soros wants a new ‘multilateral system,’ or an economic system where America isn’t so dominant,” Gainor writes.

Soros has made it clear that he supports the creation of a new world order and that Communist China should be at the very top of it. That’s Communist China where they kill surplus babies from families that violate the one-child rule. That’s Communist China where a tweet critical of the government can land you in prison. That’s Communist China where moving to another village without government permission is a crime.

Wanting to place Communist China at the head of a new international hierarchy is sick beyond words.

Soros suffers from messianic delusions. He fancies himself some kind of philosopher-king so his ambitions shouldn’t surprise anyone.

In fact it would be easy to dismiss him as a crackpot — if only his puppet and ideological soulmate didn’t reside in the White House.


Oh, so he's part of the tea party. Good to know.
1175. hydrus
Jet steam is over 120 knots..Strong straight line winds tonight is a sure bet.
1176. hydrus
Quoting greentortuloni:


Oh, so he's part of the tea party. Good to know.
The Tortuloni Man in tha house...
1177. nash28
My one and only political post for this thread....from another blog:

Romney is Obama-lite, Santorum is a religious whacknut and I cannot and WILL not vote for any of them. I am staying home this cycle. I simply cannot sell my principles for the sake of voting for "the party", regardless of what bowl of feces the parties are throwing at us.

So.....I figure if I park my ass on the couch and flip channels I will have more to show for my evening than the voting public.

Now....back to the weather
Quoting sunlinepr:


Cloud height decreasing on Earth and NASA scientists are unsure why
Posted on February 22, 2012
February 22, 2012 – EARTH - Earth’s clouds got a little lower — about one percent on average — during the first decade of this century, finds a new NASA-funded university study based on NASA satellite data. The results have potential implications for future global climate. Data from NASA’s MISR instrument on NASA’s Terra spacecraft show that global average cloud height declined by about 1 percent over the decade from 2000 to 2010, or around 100 to 130 feet (30 to 40 meters). Lead researcher Roger Davies said that while the record is too short to be definitive, it provides a hint that something quite important might be going on. Longer-term monitoring will be required to determine the significance of the observation for global temperatures. A consistent reduction in cloud height would allow Earth to cool to space more efficiently, reducing the surface temperature of the planet and potentially slowing the effects of global warming. This may represent a “negative feedback” mechanism – a change caused by global warming that works to counteract it. “We don’t know exactly what causes the cloud heights to lower,” says Davies. “But it must be due to a change in the circulation patterns that give rise to cloud formation at high altitude.” NASA’s Terra spacecraft is scheduled to continue gathering data through the remainder of this decade. Scientists will continue to monitor the MISR data closely to see if this trend continues. –Physics



Yep, this is something that will require some more research. It's a pretty big jump to go from "lower cloud tops" to "negative feedback". For example, if this were true then stratospheric temperatures should be warming due to increased reflection. However, stratospheric temperatures have been cooling so at the moment it doesn't appear like there is a negative feedback. Then again, ten years of data really isn't enough to quantify it one way or the other.
high today is 78....WOW
The HRRR is forecasting the storms to begin developing in the risk area around dusk.

Also showing a few storms around my area today round 4 or 5 PM..;D
Quoting nash28:
My one and only political post for this thread....from another blog:

Romney is Obama-lite, Santorum is a religious whacknut and I cannot and WILL not vote for any of them. I am staying home this cycle. I simply cannot sell my principles for the sake of voting for "the party", regardless of what bowl of feces the parties are throwing at us.

So.....I figure if I park my ass on the couch and flip channels I will have more to show for my evening than the voting public.

Now....back to the weather
Comparing Romney to Obama is completely ludicrous, to be sure. But having said that, not voting is a bad idea, no matter which side you're on. If nothing else, if you don't vote, you have absolutely no right to either complain or brag about the outcome of the election.
1182. flsky
I watched about a minute of this garbage and had to stop. People thinking this way should probably live in a cave and leave the rest of the thinking world alone.

Quoting bappit:
This dude is out there.

Canadian government is 'muzzling its scientists'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-168 61468
1184. CJ5
Quoting greentortuloni:


Oh, so he's part of the tea party. Good to know.


No, much worse, a Communist.
Quoting Naga5000:


What's funny to me, is you actually believe the pseudo philosophical thinking that you are trying to use as evidence. And the sad part is your ending argument is a statement of rightness, somehow implying that you know the real answer while I don't. It's condescending, anti-intellectual, and flat out self important.


Condescending?

You make a logical fallacy, I point it out.

You make a false statement, I refute it with corrections of definitions of terms.

This is how discussion / debate usually goes.
1186. kwgirl
Quoting Neapolitan:
Comparing Romney to Obama is completely ludicrous, to be sure. But having said that, not voting is a bad idea, no matter which side you're on. If nothing else, if you don't vote, you have absolutely no right to either complain or brag about the outcome of the election.
Good morning all. My thoughts exactly Nea. I believe his attitude toward voting has some responsibility in causing this mess we call politics. I have voted in every election except the Presidential election in '76. I was overseas at the time and did not know anything about any of the candidates. I figured it is better not to vote then blindly vote. However, when you have all the facts in front of you and weigh the pros and cons of each candidate, the worst you can do is vote for the best of the group. I don't vote party lines and have crossed them many times, voting for the person I think will do the best job. I haven't always been right or wrong in the selections, but I did voice my opinion with my vote. Not voting hurts the country as a whole. Maybe all Americans should be required to go to any other country in the world and live for a while. Then they would know how precious our right to vote is to our way of Freedom.
1187. CJ5
Quoting nash28:
My one and only political post for this thread....from another blog:

Romney is Obama-lite, Santorum is a religious whacknut and I cannot and WILL not vote for any of them. I am staying home this cycle. I simply cannot sell my principles for the sake of voting for "the party", regardless of what bowl of feces the parties are throwing at us.

So.....I figure if I park my ass on the couch and flip channels I will have more to show for my evening than the voting public.

Now....back to the weather


That would not be wise, unless of course you want four more years of liberalism. Your call.
1188. hydrus
Quoting kwgirl:
Good morning all. My thoughts exactly Nea. I believe his attitude toward voting has some responsibility in causing this mess we call politics. I have voted in every election except the Presidential election in '76. I was overseas at the time and did not know anything about any of the candidates. I figured it is better not to vote then blindly vote. However, when you have all the facts in front of you and weigh the pros and cons of each candidate, the worst you can do is vote for the best of the group. I don't vote party lines and have crossed them many times, voting for the person I think will do the best job. I haven't always been right or wrong in the selections, but I did voice my opinion with my vote. Not voting hurts the country as a whole. Maybe all Americans should be required to go to any other country in the world and live for a while. Then they would know how precious our right to vote is to our way of Freedom.
Great post.
Quoting CJ5:


That would not be wise, unless of course you want four more years of liberalism. Your call.


Hey, I really don't care who they have in office as long as it isn't the group of donkeys that had control from 2000-2008.
Quoting nash28:
My one and only political post for this thread....from another blog:

Romney is Obama-lite, Santorum is a religious whacknut and I cannot and WILL not vote for any of them. I am staying home this cycle. I simply cannot sell my principles for the sake of voting for "the party", regardless of what bowl of feces the parties are throwing at us.

So.....I figure if I park my ass on the couch and flip channels I will have more to show for my evening than the voting public.

Now....back to the weather


I also try to avoid the politics and the religion.

But this one hit a button.......

Go vote. Go vote for the nutter that wears a boot on his head.

By not voting you show apathy.

By voting for a nutter you show just how displeased you are with the "main stream parties" and there useless candidates.

Always vote!
Quoting 1911maker:


I also try to avoid the politics and the religion.

But this one hit a button.......

Go vote. Go vote for the nutter that wears a boot on his head.

By not voting you show apathy.

By voting for a nutter you show just how displeased you are with the "main stream parties" and there useless candidates.

Always vote!


Vermin Supreme?

I like to follow the weather, music, and fishing; keeps my blood pressure calm (unless severe weather is threatening my particular location)and better to play guitar or re-tool my fishing gear at night rather than getting my blood pressure up watching "politics" on the TV............... Whatever happens in the political realm, and it is very important to vote, I try to support candidates who keep NOAA funded, try to fund arts programs in schools, and support clean water issues....... :)
never knew this blog was so full of liberals
Across the highest risk area in the ohio valley, the temperatures are around 45-50 degrees and should rise to 60-70, depending on if you believe NWS Louisville, KY or the ones in Ohio and Indiana.
The sky there is clearing so destabilization should commence shortly.
Quoting AlwaysThinkin:


Vermin Supreme?



Yes him. I forgot his name. I did not know who he was until he came up on the this blog.

The "STRANGE" things I learn on this blog. :)

This would be a good avatar for some if you don't like who's running...who's it gonna be?

mid 80s around Houston today
so hows all the nut bars today
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
so hows all the nut bars today


Nuts are running rampant in the USA, on TV,media,government,and wunderground
A tornado may be responsible for storm damage in parts of northwest Georgia.
Wednesday night, Floyd County Emergency Management Agency director Scotty Hancock told WSB's Mark Alewine their 911 center began receiving calls about damage around 9:30 p.m.
Floyd County Police have confirmed one death possibly related to severe weather. An elderly woman in her seventies suffered an apparent heart attack at the same time the roof was blown off her home. Extensive damage hampered efforts to get to the woman, she was "DOA" at a local hospital.
“I think it was possibly a tornado,” Hancock said. “We’ve got several structures with roof damage. Lots of trees down across the roadway.”
Hancock estimates 50 to 100 homes were damaged. Georgia Power says as many as 2,000 customers were in the dark during the storm.
Although it won't be confirmed until a National Weather Service storm assessment team arrives on Thursday, Hancock is confident the damage was caused by a tornado. He said the path of destruction is between a mile and a half and two miles long.
“You’ve got some trees laying one direction and some trees laying the other,” said Hancock. “Usually with straight line winds (the damage) is clearly defined. If it was a microburst, those are generally in a small area.”
The hardest hit areas appear to be along Kingston Highway, Turner Chapel Road and Freeman Ferry Road. There are no reports of any injuries.
be back once the crap filters out.
Link

Fimmvörðuháls eruption in Iceland coincides with display of northern lights
Posted on February 23, 2012
February 23, 2012 – ICELAND – A photographer from Britain, James Appleton, has captured breath-taking pictures from Iceland, reports The Huffington Post. He captured both magma and northern lights in one shot. He stood just a few yards from an erupting volcano in order to take the pictures and they just might be one of nature’s most amazing sights. James was willing to go within a few hundred feet of an erupting volcano after working alongside vulcanologists in Iceland, and found out about Fimmvörðuháls who from his Icelandic friend. “She informed me of the eruption, and I knew immediately I had to try and get out to see it.” Not only did James have to deal with the harsh flames of the volcano, but he also had to face the frozen temperatures of a harsh Icelandic winter in order to take his remarkable pictures. “The closest I got was probably only a few hundred meters away,” said James. -Long Island Press
Quoting greentortuloni:


Athiests don't claim any of the above necessarily. You are defining atheism as the opposite of whatever you personally believe in (I think).

I've always been curious what other beliefs were in detail more than whether or not they coincided with Atheism or not. For example, I think the Brahmans believe that we are all thoughts in the mind of God and that the Universe is The Mind of God. i don't think it makes sense to ask if that is Atheist or not but I think it is close to what a lot of scientists think.

In the same way, to redicule what scientists believe as Atheist is a bit simplistic.

- but thanks for 'agape'. I thought it was a color somewhere between the color of the desert in the morning and the color of the feeling you get when you see the ocean when you are really thirsty. Macroemotional synesthesia versus christian love... nice swing from arete.. the greek excellence as opposed to the christian 'good'.


Anyone who in a scientific debate falls back on religion, faith, or a deity as the fundamental construct for supporting their arguments has no real logical argument in the first place. It is pointless to argue with them, as no matter what evidence, science, research, or data you bring forth they will always claim they are right.



Hey man.... if this is TRUE, this is serious... We are talking about millions of human beings.... Tokyo Population - over 12 million




Tokyo is contaminated as the worst place in Chernobyl
Posted by Mochizuki on February 22nd, 2012 · 7 Comments

Tokyo contaminated as the worst place in Chernobyl

Following up this article..23,300 Bq/Kg of cesium from 4km of filter plant

The contamination level of Mizumoto Park turned out to be the same level of “off-limits zone” in Chernobyl.
The contamination level of the park was 23,300 Bq/Kg.
According to Nuclear Safety Commission, it is converted to be 1.4 ~1.5 million Bq/m2.

In Chernobyl, if the area is more contaminated than 1.48 million Bq/m2, it was labelled as off-limits zone, which was the worst level of the pollution.
Because cesium doesn’t choose Mizumoto park intentionally, at least some parts are contaminated as the worst area of Chernobyl.
Quoting RTSplayer:


Condescending?

You make a logical fallacy, I point it out.

You make a false statement, I refute it with corrections of definitions of terms.

This is how discussion / debate usually goes.


Seriously? Reread my post, RTS. I made no such fallacy, you think that somehow your definitions are "correct" therefore you win. It's pretty low on the "how debate works" scale.
Quoting SPLbeater:
be back once the crap filters out.


You ought not talk liiiiiike that.....you just a young boy....



http://www.opc.ncep.noaa.gov/sst/images/carib/Car ib_GoesSST.gif

West Caribbean already at 29 C
I wish we had live streaming satellites.
That would be awesome



Instability is coming of the Atlantic and GOM int GA but it still doesnt look good for severe weather.
Quoting GeorgiaStormz:
I wish we had live streaming satellites.
That would be awesome

Instability is coming of the Atlantic and GOM int GA but it still doesnt look good for severe weather.


GA in slight risk zone for tomorrow with ML CAPE values of 500-750
Quoting thunderbug91:


GA in slight risk zone for tomorrow with ML CAPE values of 500-750


but that is south of me. N Ga is not in anything worthwhile.
Quoting GeorgiaStormz:


but that is south of me. N Ga is not in anything worthwhile.


Where I live in Florida we are under a general risk zone with a 10% rain chance. I still can't figure that one out.....
Good Ash Wednesday to you all..

Pollution goes against God's will, say church leaders in Ash Wednesday message
Leaders of churches in Britain including the Archbishop of Canterbury and the head of Scotland's Roman Catholics have made a Lenten call for repentance and a "change of direction" to combat the dangers of climate change.



Rowan Williams has joined Cardinal Keith O'Brien, Archbishop of St Andrews and Edinburgh, among other church leaders, in signing a declaration which says reducing dependence on fossil fuels is "essential" to Christian discipleship.

The launch declaration comes on Ash Wednesday, the start of Lent, traditionally a period of penitence, prayer and reflection for Christians in the run-up to Easter. The declaration will be marked by a service in central London this evening.

Many Christians receive a mark of ashes on the forehead as a token of penitence and mortality.

"Continuing to pollute the atmosphere when we know the dangers goes against what we know of God's ways and God's will," the declaration said.

"We are failing to love not only the earth, but our neighbours and ourselves, who are made in God's image. God grieves over the destruction of creation and so should we."
Quoting GeorgiaStormz:
I wish we had live streaming satellites.
That would be awesome



Instability is coming of the Atlantic and GOM int GA but it still doesnt look good for severe weather.


The Military has live-stream sat capability but not for "public" use.........I don't know if they ever share those feeds with other Agencies for non-military use during any given weather related event.
Quoting SPLbeater:
never knew this blog was so full of liberals


LMAO....Your kidding right?
Quoting sunlinepr:



Hey man.... if this is TRUE, this is serious... We are talking about millions of human beings.... Tokyo Population - over 12 million




Tokyo is contaminated as the worst place in Chernobyl
Posted by Mochizuki on February 22nd, 2012 7 Comments

Tokyo contaminated as the worst place in Chernobyl

Following up this article..23,300 Bq/Kg of cesium from 4km of filter plant

The contamination level of Mizumoto Park turned out to be the same level of %u201Coff-limits zone%u201D in Chernobyl.
The contamination level of the park was 23,300 Bq/Kg.
According to Nuclear Safety Commission, it is converted to be 1.4 ~1.5 million Bq/m2.

In Chernobyl, if the area is more contaminated than 1.48 million Bq/m2, it was labelled as off-limits zone, which was the worst level of the pollution.
Because cesium doesn%u2019t choose Mizumoto park intentionally, at least some parts are contaminated as the worst area of Chernobyl.


I find that to be unrealistic. Tokyo is well to the south of Fukushima. Given the dominant weather patterns in the area I find it hard to believe that that much contamination made it that far south, even if there were a massive plums of radioactive materials.

If indeed this were the case, then the entire eastern coast of Japan would be heavily contaminated, and anywhere even close to Fukushima should be an irradiated wasteland. In addition, there should be plenty of stories in various cities up and down the coast about the contamination as well (with higher readings), which there doesn't seem to be.

The original story was posted here Link it seems. The measurements were performed by members of the communist party. Their methodology alone is suspect, which only measured 4 locations using a somewhat inaccurate hand-held detector you can get buy from ebay (a real detector is much more accurate, and certified).

So something doesn't add up. Either the numbers are correct and Japan's east coast will soon look like the Chernobyl "Red and Dead" forest with millions dying from spontaneous outbreaks of radiation sickness, or the numbers are wrong and this is a case of a political party trying to gain a leg up on the current government.

That's not to say that there isn't any contamination. But the story doesn't make a lot of sense.
1219. Patrap
Quoting weathermanwannabe:


The Military has live-stream sat capability but not for "public" use.........I don't know if they ever share those feeds with other Agencies for non-military use during any given weather related event.


Real time Live rapid scan is available for many Commercial Industries, esp the Offshore Oil ones. In One Shell Square in NOLA one can walk into their weather Floor and see a myriad of fast scan Loops in real time.
Quoting Patrap:


Real time Live rapid scan is available for many Commercial Industries, esp the Offshore Oil ones. In One Shell Square in NOLA one can walk into their weather Floor and see a myriad of fast scan Loops in real time.


Thanks for the info Pat...... I suspect that many of the "black" NASA missions in the past with a Military payload, as well as launches from Vandenberg, have launched such real time technology but no surprise that some of the commercial payloads have the same tech... Gonna check out that one out next time I am in NOLA.
1221. Patrap
Quoting weathermanwannabe:


Thanks for the info Pat...... I suspect that many of the "black" NASA missions in the past with a Military payload, as well as launches from Vandenberg, have launched such real time technology but no surprise that some of the commercial payloads have the same tech... Gonna check out that one out next time I am in NOLA.


Indeed, the only Shuttle launch we went to was in Aug 89 in for a Columbia DoD Mission launching a SDS-2 Comm Sat.

I brought my 6 mth old Shepherd at the time too.

A Huge Mistake. LoL

But we sure enjoyed the NASA KSC tour and we even drove up to a Pad-gate across the Causeway and was promptly and sternly made to exit the way we came.

STS-28

You cant miss one Shell Square in NOLA, its the Largest Hi-rise downtown.

oneshellsquare
1222. MahFL
Quoting Skyepony:
Good Ash Wednesday to you all..


Those Ashes are just adding to Global Warming, how hipocritical.
1223. bappit
Quoting sunlinepr:



Hey man.... if this is TRUE, this is serious... We are talking about millions of human beings.... Tokyo Population - over 12 million




Tokyo is

This is pretty sensational stuff. You don't give a link to your source. How can we judge its reliability?

Edit: now I see Xyrus' post. Okay, political extremists--and I don't mean Al Gore.
Quoting RitaEvac:


You ought not talk liiiiiike that.....you just a young boy....


cant describe political discussions(mainly the bashing of past successful politics) any better xD
Quoting SPLbeater:
never knew this blog was so full of liberals
I don't think it's full of liberals. It's just that there are just a lot of people here who have the ability to think and express themselves clearly, honestly, and in a fact-based way. Though I have to admit it's pretty easy to get the two groups confused...
1226. Patrap
One has to easily admit since July 2011 there has been a serious decline in Public Western News on Fukushima.

One of the best sources has been the Fukushima Diary thats caught major Flak from the Japanese Govt and TEPCO.

If one can state the current condition of the Reactor cores, feel free to share it here with us.

Cesium is bad for Life,...

fukushima-diary.com
1227. Patrap
I was thinking about writing a bill for Men over 40 to have a State Mandated Colonoscopy by their 41st B-day to save on Health Care Cost.

Anyone want to co-sponsor it?

Im for smaller Govt and less intrusive Govt.

The adjusted Day 2 outlook....


I am included in that 30% mark.
So is my friend is wilmington. If i am lucky, she will get a surprise storm that scares her BAD and will realize the importance of a weather radio lol

the cap is in an interesting state right now. If something can starts storms in the south tonight, it could be interesting.
But significant severe weather does not look likely
Quoting weathermanwannabe:


The Military has live-stream sat capability but not for "public" use.........I don't know if they ever share those feeds with other Agencies for non-military use during any given weather related event.


I know NOAA has 1 minute update satellite feed
Quoting Patrap:


Indeed, the only Shuttle launch we went to was in Aug 89 in for a Columbia DoD Mission launching a SDS-2 Comm Sat.

I brought my 6 mth old Shepherd at the time too.

A Huge Mistake. LoL

But we sure enjoyed the NASA KSC tour and we even drove up to a Pad-gate across the Causeway and was promptly and sternly made to exit the way we came.

STS-28

You cant miss one Shell Square in NOLA, its the Largest Hi-rise downtown.

oneshellsquare


Looks identical to the one in Houston



Quoting SPLbeater:
The adjusted Day 2 outlook....


I am included in that 30% mark.
So is my friend is wilmington. If i am lucky, she will get a surprise storm that scares her BAD and will realize the importance of a weather radio lol


I am in the 15%(by 5 miles) on Day 1 and almost in the 5% on day 2 so maybe i will get something, but i wish it had come this afternoon.
currently 76 degrees dewpoint 56. Partly to Mostly Sunny.
Angela has put up a new blog for Dr. Masters.
1234. Patrap

2012


2011


Quoting SPLbeater:
The adjusted Day 2 outlook....


I am included in that 30% mark.
So is my friend is wilmington. If i am lucky, she will get a surprise storm that scares her BAD and will realize the importance of a weather radio lol


Don't worry it'll go around South Carolina just like the above map states. It's guaranteed

Quoting GeorgiaStormz:


I am in the 15%(by 5 miles) on Day 1 and almost in the 5% on day 2 so maybe i will get something, but i wish it had come this afternoon.
currently 76 degrees dewpoint 56. Partly to Mostly Sunny.


My high tomorrow is 75 from the NWS, and the SPC is hinting at CAPE values in my area of over 500 j/kg.

Here is a section from the discussion on day2:

POTENTIAL COULD DEVELOP FOR...AT LEAST...FAIRLY WIDESPREAD...AND POTENTIALLY QUITE STRONG...CONVECTIVELY ENHANCED DAMAGING WIND GUSTS. A FEW TORNADOES MAY ALSO NOT BE OUT OF THE QUESTION.
Quoting Some1Has2BtheRookie:
Angela has put up a new blog for Dr. Masters.


but i dont want to leave this blog lol.

Quoting bappit:

This is pretty sensational stuff. You don't give a link to your source. How can we judge its reliability?

Edit: now I see Xyrus' post. Okay, political extremists--and I don't mean Al Gore.


Well, if you still believe that the Fukushima accident is a light one and trust what TepCo and the government are saying, then all these posts are Sensational stuff...

But you can make your own research from Enenews, fukushima-diary.com, fairewinds.com, province.com, reports from Arnie Gundersen (check out the many videos in Youtube from this engineer). For me, this is not sensational stuff, but just the tip of the iceberg.... and it's going to be news for a long time to come....
1239. CJ5
Quoting Neapolitan:
I don't think it's full of liberals. It's just that there are just a lot of people here who have the ability to think and express themselves clearly, honestly, and in a fact-based way. Though I have to admit it's pretty easy to get the two groups confused...


liberals with a dash of intellectual elitists
Quoting Xyrus2000:


I find that to be unrealistic. Tokyo is well to the south of Fukushima. Given the dominant weather patterns in the area I find it hard to believe that that much contamination made it that far south, even if there were a massive plums of radioactive materials.That's not to say that there isn't any contamination. But the story doesn't make a lot of sense.



Quoting Mochizuki San - fukushima-diary.com

It’s just human to think western Japan is safe outside of Fukushima is safe. It’s just an imaginary boarder of human, has nothing to do with radiation. Radiation doesn’t think, oh I’m getting out of Fukushima, shall stop here or should I get to Tokyo by Train or car.
Look at the world map. Japan is such a tiny island. Everywhere is the same. and now they’re distributing the radioactive debris to all over Japan, to share the “pain”, which is so typical for Japanese, and all the food is contaminated. Cars, people, train, they are all contaminated and move around in Japan. There is no safe place in Japan. That’s why I got out of there.
There are 4 main islands, Honshu, Hokkaiso, Shikoku, and Kyushu. but they are so close that you can even drive by car. They are all the same.
Mr. Koide from Kyoto university said, old people have to eat contaminated food because they have responsibility for nuclear, and it’s the responsibility of future generation to accept radiation.
I dare to say no. I won’t accept anything except for completely 0Bq/kg. I have no reason to eat radiation. I completely refuse to be involved in their fantasy world like Kamikaze. I really think all of them should leave Japan soon as possible.


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Add to human activity the many unaccounted natural cycles like pollen that propagates by wind and insects, winter snow meltdown waters that go down stream and carry radiation and many other factors that we aren't aware off, not living there....
Quoting CJ5:


liberals with a dash of intellectual elitists
The radical right has determined that anyone who displays more intelligence than they do is an "intellectual elitist". And that's okay; I'll gladly wear that handle, as it's far better than "unintellectual doofus". ;-)