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2016 Holiday Shopping Guide for the Weather Enthusiast

By: Jeff Masters and Bob Henson 5:26 PM GMT on December 12, 2016

Hunting for that special something for a budding meteorologist or a lifelong weather enthusiast? You can’t go wrong with an atmosphere-related gift. Below is the 2016 installment of our traditional holiday shopping guide.

Holiday books for the weather and climate science enthusiast

Jeff’s pick: “The Madhouse Effect: How Climate Change Denial Is Threatening Our Planet, Destroying Our Politics, and Driving Us Crazy”

If you're wondering why so many politicians and news sources deny that dangerous human-caused climate change is real, and you want a relatively short and easy-to-read summary of the issue, look no further than “The Madhouse Effect” (Columbia University Press, 2016), by Penn State climate scientist Dr. Michael Mann. Published in 2016, “The Madhouse Effect” is illustrated with about 50 cartoons by Pulitzer Prize-winning cartoonist Tom Toles of the Washington Post, whose cartoons manage to be hilarious and sobering at the same time. Dr. Mann is a leading climate scientist, and is also author of "The Hockey Stick and the Climate Wars", which I reviewed in 2012. The book is separated into eight sections:

Science: How it Works
Climate Change: The Basics
Why Should I Give a Damn
The Stages of Denial
The War on Climate Science
Hypocrisy--Thy Name is Climate Change Denial
Geoengineering, or “What Could Possibly Go Wrong?”
A Path Forward

The text is easy to understand--written at a level for anyone with a high school science education. Tom Toles’ excellent cartoons add some pizzaz, so that the book is not boring. At just 150 pages, “The Madhouse Effect” is of a very digestible length, and should take only two hours or so to peruse. The book concludes with words that are now far more timely than Mann and Toles could have known when the book was published earlier this year: ”This is our home. It’s time to start acting like it.” The paperback version of “Madhouse Effect” is $15.51 from Amazon.com.  I give "Madhouse Effect" five stars out of five. The book would be a nice companion to my recommendation from last year’s holiday gift guide, ”Dire Predictions: Understanding Climate Change -- The Visual Guide to the Findings of the IPCC,” by Dr. Mann and fellow Penn State professor Lee Kump, published in 2015.

Bob’s pick: “Hurricane Pioneer: Memoirs of Bob Simpson”

Few in the world of atmospheric science have enjoyed a career as varied, illustrious, and extended as the one carved out by Dr. Robert Simpson, who died in late 2014 at the age of 102. We’re lucky that Dr. Simpson took the time to document his busy life in detail, as told in “Hurricane Pioneer” (AMS Books, 2015).

It wasn’t obvious at first that Bob Simpson would devote much of his professional life to tropical cyclones. In fact, he spent the latter 1930s as a successful high school music and physics teacher in his native Texas, before taking a 67% pay cut to join the U.S. Weather Bureau in Brownsville as a novice observer. World War II opened big doors for Dr. Simpson, as he trained at the legendary University of Chicago Institute of Meteorology, then went on to work in the Miami Weather Bureau office with famed forecaster Grady Norton.

This memoir includes background on Dr. Simpson’s forays into early hurricane hunting and “piggyback” research, and on his tenure as the second director of the National Hurricane Center (though with so much to cover, the book seldom lingers on any one event or period). Even as his involvement in tropical meteorology blossomed, Dr. Simpson had a hand in other crucial developments, including a network of Texas radars that served as the prelude for the first national weather-radar network as well as the establishment of the Mauna Loa Observatory, now the world’s gold-standard location for tracking the buildup of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.

Although there’s little meteorology in the first third of the book, we do learn how Dr. Simpson’s childhood in Corpus Christi, Texas, was shaped by the trauma of a deadly 1919 hurricane. There is plenty of insight on Dr. Simpson’s personal and professional relationships, including his 45-year marriage to Dr. Joanne Simpson, an eminent atmospheric scientist in her own right and the first woman to achieve a doctorate in meteorology. Dr. Simpson is candid about the downsides of his globetrotting career path, including an early divorce, and he closes the book with reflections on how his spiritual and scientific paths interrelated. Interestingly, the Saffir-Simpson Hurricane Wind Scale—perhaps his best-known achievement, created with civil engineer Herbert Saffir--gets only two paragraphs, including a self-deprecating comment from Dr. Simpson on the scale’s naming in 1975: “This designation was by committee action, not by our request, and a bit of an embarrassment to me.” Available from the AMS Bookstore for $25 ($20 for members and students), “Hurricane Pioneer” gets five stars for the gentle eloquence of its narrator and for its unique perspective on a 20th-century life in atmospheric science.

A Personal Weather Station: yes!
Every serious weather enthusiast deserves a Personal Weather Station (PWS) in their backyard! Not only can you enjoy seeing what the weather is in your backyard, you can share the data with everyone else on the Internet by uploading to the wunderground Personal Weather Station network, which boasts data from more than 200,000 stations. You don’t need to have a computer on all the time to collect the data and send it to the Internet--a WeatherBridge device will keep the data flowing to the Internet even when your computer is turned off. A full list of wunderground-compatible PWS models, software, and add-ons like the Ambient WeatherBridge is available from our Personal Weather Station buying guide page, including helpful background on how to choose among the possibilities based on your needs.

Jeff’s picks:

An economical PWS choice: Netatmo
The Netatmo Weather Monitor ($179) contains a unique set of sensors to monitor your indoor and outdoor living environment and wirelessly transmits all your data to your desktop or mobile device. Optional add-ons include a rain gauge ($79) and wind gauge ($99.99). The Netatmo app pulls your station’s indoor and outdoor measurements into clear and comprehensive dashboards, graphs, and notifications.

A mid-range PWS choice: Davis Vantage Vue
The Davis Vantage Vue + WeatherBridge Package is $625 from ambientweather.com. Combine the convenience of WeatherBridge with Davis Instruments' Vantage Vue™ station, which is fully featured, highly accurate and affordably priced.

A high-end PWS choice: Rainwise
I have had a Davis Vantage Pro2 in my backyard for the past eight years, and have been very happy with it, but I also recommend the RainWise Direct to Weather Underground Package, $999 from rainwise.com. The RainWise RapidFire™-enabled weather station doesn't need a PC to upload data to us, and with an ultra-fast refresh rate of every 3-5 seconds, new data is updated instantly.



Weather Underground T-shirts and hoodies
If you’ve ever craved the cool WU apparel featured on The Weather Channel’s #wutv program (6 - 8 PM EST weeknights), you can now share your WU fandom at a sweet discount. The Weather Underground store has an assortment of T-shirts and hoodies available for 10% off through January 1 when you use this promotion code: WUHOLIDAY10.

Connect your favorite services with IFTTT
Here’s a holiday gift for yourself, friends, and family that won’t cost a dime. Weather Underground is now the exclusive weather provider for IFTTT, a freely downloadable platform that allows apps and connected services to work together seamlessly. Applets within IFTTT call on various features of the apps you already use to create new capabilities. For example, each WU app already allows you to activate “push” notifications of severe weather alerts. Applets in IFTTT go even further: it can notify you if WU is predicting rain for your area tomorrow, or remind you to put on sunscreen whenever the UV index is high. There’s even the ability to call on localized sunset data from WU to automatically transition your home-based connected devices to nighttime mode (including Hue lights, Nest thermostats, and WeMo light switches). See the IFTTT weather page for many other nifty WU-related options, and learn more about the IFTTT-WU collaboration in a press release issued December 8 by The Weather Company.

This week we’re in San Francisco at the American Geophysical Union’s Fall Meeting, the world’s largest gathering of Earth and space scientists. We’re also keeping an eye on the cold wave to be reinforced through the week across much of the central and eastern U.S. We will be back with a new post by Wednesday at the latest.

Jeff Masters and Bob Henson



Book and Movie Reviews

The views of the author are his/her own and do not necessarily represent the position of The Weather Company or its parent, IBM.

Reader Comments

Hi, everyone. FYI, we're working on an image display issue that's keeping us from including graphics with our new posts. We expect it to be resolved soon.
I'll probably get a PWS next year, after I'm out of FL. One less thing to move if I wait.
From the last blog:

Quoting 1236. Misanthroptimist:


" There's a part of me that really wants to believe that even the Trumpettes couldn't be that stupid. Experience somewhat negates that hopeful belief, though.

I can't imagine what difference that they think it would make."

................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .........


Politicians, I have discovered, and business leaders as well, engage the 'other' social contract remarkably well.

The 'other' social contract goes "I won't notice your bullshit if you won't notice mine". So everybody pretends to believe in the group BS and they come to inhabit a false reality. And this leads to the habit of believing that whatever one says is true, regardless of the facts.

Apparently this sociologic disorder has metastisized, and believe it or not, this civilization may go down even before ACC can take its full toll.
Top level link to the story is incorrect, showing 2013 gift list -
https://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/hol iday-shopping-guide-for-the-weather-enthusiast
Quoting 3. MontanaZephyr:

From the last blog:

Quoting 1236. Misanthroptimist:


" There's a part of me that really wants to believe that even the Trumpettes couldn't be that stupid. Experience somewhat negates that hopeful belief, though.

I can't imagine what difference that they think it would make."

................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .........


Politicians, I have discovered, and business leaders as well, engage the 'other' social contract remarkably well.

The 'other' social contract goes "I won't notice your bullshit if you won't notice mine". So everybody pretends to believe in the group BS and they come to inhabit a false reality. And this leads to the habit of believing that whatever one says is true, regardless of the facts.

Apparently this sociologic disorder has metastisized, and believe it or not, this civilization may go down even before ACC can take its full toll.

I guess as they sit in their bunkers, they'll be able to smugly tell each other, "See? I told you Climate Change was nothing to worry about!" And all will be well in their world. Personally, I hope they choke on their Spam.
I've got the The Davis Vantage Vue and it's been going strong for about 5-6 years. I just have to occasionally replace the rechargeable battery in the unit.

One quality I like is it keeps a pretty accurate temperature reading even in direct sunlight. I've had a lot of PWS and they are pretty much useless in direct sunlight. My Vantage Vue is the first PWS I've owned that keeps a pretty accurate temperature reading even in direct sunlight.


On man is this creepy or what -

This stunning Antarctic lake is buried in ice. And that could be bad news

Video footage from inside borehole showing an englacial lake 4m below the surface. .................. The researchers had traveled to investigate what had been described as a nearly 2 mile wide “crater” in the shelf, glimpsed by satellite, which some sources believed had been caused by a meteorite. To the contrary, they found that it was a large, 10 foot deep, icy lake bed. In its center, meanwhile, were multiple rivers and three moulins that carried water deep down into the floating ice shelf.

And even this, perhaps, was not the most dramatic finding. The researchers also drilled through the ice and found what they called “englacial” lakes, sandwiched between the surface of the ice shelf and its base, which is in contact with the ocean beneath it. They found 55 lakes in total on or in the ice shelf, and a number of them were in this buried, englacial format. The video of one such discovery, of a crystal blue lake four meters below the ice shelf surface, is shown above, and an image from the video is below:


Link
Quoting 5. Misanthroptimist:


I guess as they sit in their bunkers, they'll be able to smugly tell each other, "See? I told you Climate Change was nothing to worry about!" And all will be well in their world. Personally, I hope they choke on their Spam.


It's usually a semi-conscious choice at most. Everyone living now, practically everyone, was born into a 'go-along to get along' society. And yes it was always that way, but with the development of the 'art' of 'Public Relations, by Freud's nephew, a fellow named Eddie Bernays, mind manipulation, and group manipulation went into a much higher gear, and it got increasingly sophisticated ever since.

Bernays was hired by just about everyone. Presidents, publishing, CIA. He helped engineer any number of South American coups in service to American capitalism. He dissolve the social taboo against women smoking overnight. He taught advertising operators not to sell a product, but to sell an identity attached to a product.

Anyone interested in understanding how this works can search that name on youtube.

I especially recommend the documentary done by the BBC called The Century of The Self, which documents how the very idea of the self has changed during the 20th century. Bernays is just a subset of that video though. But there are several others on youtube.
From the previous blog.
Looking at some true Arctic air over the Great Lakes region Friday morning.
Quoting 4. echucker:

Top level link to the story is incorrect, showing 2013 gift list -
https://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/hol iday-shopping-guide-for-the-weather-enthusiast


Speaking of which, really threw me for a loop. I checked 3 different electronic devices to ensure we were in fact in 2016 not 2013.
Based on some incredible social media videos, this was at least a Cat 2 at landfall...



Quoting 4. echucker:

Top level link to the story is incorrect, showing 2013 gift list -
https://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/hol iday-shopping-guide-for-the-weather-enthusiast


Fixed! The URLs were exactly the same for the 2013 and 2016 versions. We've also got the image bug taken care of.
Shrinking mountain glaciers are ‘categorical evidence’ of climate change, scientists say

A new study, published Monday in the journal Nature Geoscience, uses a new statistical method to analyze the retreat of mountain glaciers all over the world, from Russia to South America. It concludes that their shrinking represents “categorical evidence of climate change.”

“It’s the first time that’s somebody’s done a formal climate change attribution study of mountain glacier length changes,” said Andrew Mackintosh, a glaciology expert at the Victoria University of Wellington in New Zealand who was not involved with the new study.


Link
Quoting 12. Carnivorous:

Based on some incredible social media videos, this was at least a Cat 2 at landfall...




Any links to the social media videos?
Museveni redirects road funds to support drought-stricken Uganda

Crops in many parts of Uganda have been destroyed due to prolonged drought caused by changing rainfall pattern, floods and landslides, according to the UN food agency FAO which warned of impending food crisis early this year.

The government acknowledged in November that over 1.3 million Ugandans are already in need of urgent food aid as a result of starvation caused by climate change.


Link
Quoting 13. BobHenson:



Fixed! The URLs were exactly the same for the 2013 and 2016 versions. We've also got the image bug taken care of.

Did you also look at correcting (?) the middle of Jeff's last paragraph, referencing "Dire Predictions"? It looks like he meant to give "The Madhouse Effect" five stars but copied and pasted part of last year's recommendations.
Thank You Both for the Update and enjoy your trip to the Conference; the Madhouse book appears to be the equivalent of a "Climate Change for Dummies" book which I was hopefully expecting on the shelves in the near future....................Glad to see that Dr. Mann with Penn State put this book out.


Great time of the year, the studies for the AGU are popping up like mushrooms -

Antarctic Ice Sheet study reveals 8,000-year record of climate change

They discovered that the centuries-long phases of enhanced and reduced Antarctic ice mass loss documented over the past 8,000 years have had a cascading effect on the entire climate system.
Using sophisticated computer modelling, the researchers traced the variability in iceberg calving (ice that breaks away from glaciers) to small changes in ocean temperatures.
"There is a natural variability in the deeper part of the ocean adjacent to the Antarctic Ice Sheet that causes small but significant changes in temperatures," said co-author Andreas Schmittner, a climate modeller from Oregon State University. "When the ocean temperatures warm, it causes more direct melting of the ice sheet below the surface, and it increases the number of icebergs that calve off the ice sheet."
Those two factors combine to provide an influx of fresh water into the Southern Ocean during these warm regimes, according to Peter Clark, a paleoclimatologist from Oregon State University, and co-author on the study.



Read more at: Link
What to get the President to be who has it all? Brain, Conscience, Heart, and Courage; all fine ideas that might help the world not be brought to it's knees by a clueless tyrant.
Quoting 14. RobertWC:

Shrinking mountain glaciers are "categorical evidence" of climate change, scientists say

A new study, published Monday in the journal Nature Geoscience, uses a new statistical method to analyze the retreat of mountain glaciers all over the world, from Russia to South America. It concludes that their shrinking represents "categorical evidence of climate change."

"It's the first time that somebody's done a formal climate change attribution study of mountain glacier length changes," said Andrew Mackintosh, a glaciology expert at the Victoria University of Wellington in New Zealand who was not involved with the new study.


Link

From the article :
"(Glaciers) have been a poster child of climate change," Roe said. "And people really need something to be able to look at, see pictures of and have an intuition and understanding of what climate change means."

So how about that :
* Northwestern Glacier melt, Alaska
* Muir Glacier melt, Alaska
* McCarty Glacier melt, Alaska
* Pedersen Glacier melt, Alaska

Speed of Glacier Retreat Worldwide "Historically Unprecedented", Says Report
Tim Radford/The Guardian, 4 August 2015.
As the Arctic warms, the oil industry adapts to sustain ice-road season in Alaska

Alaska's North Slope oil industry is battling back as Earth has warmed, adopting new techniques to allow operators to start building ice roads as early as they did in the cooler 1970s to move the drilling rigs and people needed for winter oil exploration.

The result is ice-road construction seasons that have become reliably longer in recent years — and an unmistakable irony, with the oil industry working to expand the winter season for finding the petroleum that contributes to more climate-warming, greenhouse-gas emissions that shrink the season.


Link
Rhinelander-Oneida County (KRHI)

Gonna be COLD Sunday night.
24. bwi
The text in the paragraph about the Madhouse Effect book seems to refer to the Dire Predictions book from last year. Shouldn't that be "Madhouse Effect" below where bolded? Another vestige from last year's blog maybe?

The text is easy to understand--written at a level for anyone with a high school science education. Tom Toles%u2019 excellent cartoons add some pizzaz, so that the book is not boring. At just 150 pages, %u201CThe Madhouse Effect%u201D is of a very digestible length, and should take only two hours or so to peruse. The book concludes with words that are now far more timely than Mann and Toles could have known when the book was published earlier this year: %u201DThis is our home. It%u2019s time to start acting like it.%u201D The paperback version of %u201CDire Predictions%u201D is $15.51 from Amazon.com. I give "Dire Predictions" five stars out of five. The book would be a nice companion to my recommendation from last year%u2019s holiday gift guide, %u201DDire Predictions: Understanding Climate Change -- The Visual Guide to the Findings of the IPCC,%u201D by Dr. Mann and fellow Penn State professor Lee Kump, published in 2015.
Thanks for the update and the recommendations. Have a great time in San Francisco; I'm sure the gathering of AGU won't be boring a minute ... ;-) And I'm looking forward to the reports.

Weather in central Europe continues to be VERY boring though! After high "Uwe" left which provided a full fortnight of dry and foggy weather the next parade of highs is marching in with more of the same. It could become some record dry December with barely any natural snow in the Alps and further north.


Moertschach in the Alps right now, void of snow. Source foto-webcam.eu.


Next cyclonic low is on the usual way towards Greenland and Iceland, at 960mb tomorrow and with more quite mild air in its luggage for the Arctic.


Europe remains under the regime of high pressure in the next five days (orange), and if models are right it should only become worse towards Christmas, sigh. So expect me to become your European "CaribBoy", yearning for some interesting weather, lol.
As of the most recent shots posted on the RAMMB site, it appears that Vardah in the Indian Ocean and the no-name tropical system impacting parts of Central America are both breaking up nicely, with not too much rain, after pushing inshore which is good news for the folks in both places:




Quoting 15. Articuno:



Otto?

Any links to the social media videos?


Cyclone Vardah (officially a Cat 1) hit the mega-city of Chennai a few hours ago. Check out the three incredible videos on iCyclone's twitter feed!

Some of the footage looks like what I would expect from a weakening Cat 3 hurricane...
Looking forward to blogs on what's covered at the AGU meeting..

As for holiday shopping.. Earlier this year uploaded a few weather images & a little of my art here. Finally got around to half opening some sort of store of it.
Interesting anomaly in the wundermap today. when you select the active fires the satellite shows a fire about 200 miles east of the outer banks of NC.
https://www.wunderground.com/wundermap/
This is a must read>

Climate scientists %u2014 indicated $%@ over a period of yea%@?. Their conclusion is that %ue## will never%^&)#.

I find this shocking. :)
Quoting 27. Carnivorous:



Cyclone Vardah (officially a Cat 1) hit the mega-city of Chennai a few hours ago. Check out the three incredible videos on iCyclone's twitter feed!

Some of the footage looks like what I would expect from a weakening Cat 3 hurricane...


Oh I see, I was inactive the past few weeks and missed that.
Will note as to Vardah that the low or mid level circulation remains quite vigorous at this time and banding features are now seen over parts of the Indian Ocean on the West side (facing Africa); just wondering if this storm might survive the crossing India intact in some form or fashion:






Quoting 27. Carnivorous:



Cyclone Vardah (officially a Cat 1) hit the mega-city of Chennai a few hours ago. Check out the three incredible videos on iCyclone's twitter feed!

Some of the footage looks like what I would expect from a weakening Cat 3 hurricane...


Joint Typhoon Warning Center had the Advanced Dvorak Technique at around 4.5 to 5.0 just before landfall over Tamil Nadu.
21. 999Ai2016

I find it interesting that Muir before and after is 12 years old, one wonders what an updated one looks like.
Death toll of Vardah is now at ten, unfortunately. Source.
Irony 101 -

Washington Post

McConnell announces Senate probe of suspected Russian election interference: 'The Russians are not our friends'
Quoting 30. Grothar:

This is a must read>

Climate scientists %u2014 indicated $%@ over a period of yea%@?. Their conclusion is that %ue## will never%^&)#.

I find this shocking. :)


You can read "fruit salad" ? For God's sake man, give us mortals a translation !!!!
Quoting 32. weathermanwannabe:

Will note as to Vardah that the low or mid level circulation remains quite vigorous at this time and banding features are now seen over parts of the Indian Ocean on the West side (facing Africa); just wondering if this storm might survive the crossing India intact in some form or fashion:



It's possible. Cyclonic Storm Nada remnants survived the crossing of India and affected Lakshadweep region as a low pressure area for awhile.
Re-posting from one of the Scribblers , who is re-posting from the ASIF :

DaveW / December 12, 2016
Another indication that in 2016, things are very wonky in the Arctic – cumulative Freezing degree days are off the chart:

Link


More details at ASIF Forum.

This (most probably) means that coming into 2017 melt season – the ice that we do have will be much thinner than “normal”, hence much more susceptible to melt. A new regime in the north?


Ice ages have been linked to the Earth's wobbly orbit - but when is the next one?
December 12, 2016 by Mark Maslin, The Conversation

I've posted enough for today. Have a great evening, everyone!
This is what science calls "falling out of bed".

Quoting 21. 999Ai2016:


From the article :
"(Glaciers) have been a poster child of climate change," Roe said. "And people really need something to be able to look at, see pictures of and have an intuition and understanding of what climate change means."

So how about that :
* Northwestern Glacier melt, Alaska
* Muir Glacier melt, Alaska
* McCarty Glacier melt, Alaska
* Pedersen Glacier melt, Alaska

Speed of Glacier Retreat Worldwide "Historically Unprecedented", Says Report
Tim Radford/The Guardian, 4 August 2015.


Another one to add to the list:

The World’s Highest Elevation Ski Resort = Chacaltaya, Boliva @ 17,785-Feet | Closed Due to “Unprecedented” Glacial Retreat

Quoting 40. barbamz:

Ice ages have been linked to the Earth's wobbly orbit—but when is the next one?
December 12, 2016 by Mark Maslin, The Conversation


Cracker jack find, simply cracker jack . Just today I had to drag out Milutin Milankovitch , for some : "The Earth always changes always as always will" fellow.
I have noticed that this is making a big come back. ( When discussing Ice ) . A long with " greedy cheating scientists ". Which is still # 1 .
Last night upon learning Patrap was going to San Francisco I tried to play a cruel prank by getting a song or jingle about San Francisco stuck in his head. I even shamelessly used an image of the evil Spock performing the Vulcan mind meld:

For this I am deeply sorry, for I have inadvertently infected myself. All day I've had one of the songs stuck in my head:

Old child, young child, feel alright
On a warm San Francisco night.

The song is: San Francisco Nights by the Animals, listen to it at your own peril.
Quoting 40. barbamz:

Ice ages have been linked to the Earth's wobbly orbit - but when is the next one?
December 12, 2016 by Mark Maslin, The Conversation

I've posted enough for today. Have a great evening, everyone!

Quoting 42. JohnLonergan:



Another one to add to the list:

The World’s Highest Elevation Ski Resort = Chacaltaya, Boliva @ 17,785-Feet | Closed Due to “Unprecedented” Glacial Retreat



Good one JL .......

Just a days ago Scribbler wrote about this very topic. And the water shortages there. :

Climate Change Has Left Bolivia Crippled by Drought

“Bolivians have to be prepared for the worst.” — President Evo Morales.

*****

Like many countries, Bolivia relies on its glaciers and large lakes to supply water during the lean, dry times. But as Bolivia has heated with the rest of the world, those key stores of frozen and liquid water have dwindled and dried up. Warming has turned the country’s second largest lake into a parched bed of hardening soil. This heat has made the country’s largest lake a shadow of its former expanse and depth. It has forced Bolivia’s glaciers into a full retreat up the tips of its northern mountains — reducing the key Chacaltaya glacier to naught. Multiple reservoirs are now bone-dry. And, for hundreds of thousands of people, the only source of drinking water is from trucked-in shipments



Link

A note for the trolls.
Like Neven, don't even try to post there , we've all read your endless , brainless, clueless, mindless, fur balls for years. And RS picks everyone off his carpet.
In November 2016, Sasja Beslik visited Greenland to understand the impacts of climate change – and to look for the solutions.

Quoting 29. roberie:

Interesting anomaly in the wundermap today. when you select the active fires the satellite shows a fire about 200 miles east of the outer banks of NC.
https://www.wunderground.com/wundermap/


Hmm, the wondermap loads blank here atm.

What sort of thing would cause a heat signature out there? If it is an error, how frequently does that happen?
Quoting 37. RobertWC:



You can read "fruit salad" ? For God's sake man, give us mortals a translation !!!!


Just a spoof on some of the posts I read. I don't know why they even post them if they can't be read. Just a subtle jab at incoherent posts.
Quoting 36. RobertWC:

Irony 101 -

Washington Post

McConnell announces Senate probe of suspected Russian election interference: 'The Russians are not our friends'



This business could get disastorously ugly. If much gets 'uncovered', I can see calls from congress to have the election results thrown out, and it winds up in the Supreme Court. If that happens there is no telling what it will do, or what everyone else might do. One thing is certain, it won't be your average Garden Party. (And if you ever wondered why Gore let the 2000 election go the way it did....)
Quoting 49. MontanaZephyr:



Hmm, the wondermap loads blank here atm.

What sort of thing would cause a heat signature out there? If it is an error, how frequently does that happen?


Probably a cruise ship passenger spilled a cup of fast food coffee over the side. These events are collected and documented on April 1 of each year.
Quoting 25. barbamz:

Thanks for the update and the recommendations. Have a great time in San Francisco; I'm sure the gathering of AGU won't be boring a minute ... ;-) And I'm looking forward to the reports.

Weather in central Europe continues to be VERY boring though! After high "Uwe" left which provided a full fortnight of dry and foggy weather the next parade of highs is marching in with more of the same. It could become some record dry December with barely any natural snow in the Alps and further north.


Moertschach in the Alps right now, void of snow. Source foto-webcam.eu.


Next cyclonic low is on the usual way towards Greenland and Iceland, at 960mb tomorrow and with more quite mild air in its luggage for the Arctic.


Europe remains under the regime of high pressure in the next five days (orange), and if models are right it should only become worse towards Christmas, sigh. So expect me to become your European "CaribBoy", yearning for some interesting weather, lol.


More "interesting" here in North America this month after a quiet and extremely warm autumn season 2016.
Quoting 50. Grothar:



Just a spoof on some of the posts I read. I don't know why they even post them if they can't be read. Just a subtle jab at incoherent posts.


And I thought it was subtle jab at trying correct a post, where every bit of italics turns into 4 or 5 characters of gibberish.
Quoting 44. washingaway:

Last night upon learning Patrap was going to San Francisco I tried to play a cruel prank by getting a song or jingle about San Francisco stuck in his head. I even shamelessly used an image of the evil Spock performing the Vulcan mind meld:

For this I am deeply sorry, for I have inadvertently infected myself. All day I've had one of the songs stuck in my head:

Old child, young child, feel alright
On a warm San Francisco night.

The song is: San Francisco Nights by the Animals, listen to it at your own peril.



It's Okay. No worries. Here, this audiofile will drive that earworm right out of your head!

Link
Quoting 51. MontanaZephyr:



This business could get disastorously ugly. If much gets 'uncovered', I can see calls from congress to have the election results thrown out, and it winds up in the Supreme Court. If that happens there is no telling what it will do, or what everyone else might do. One thing is certain, it won't be your average Garden Party. (And if you ever wondered why Gore let the 2000 election go the way it did....)


President elect Mr Cheetos, will drive us into the ditch long about Feb. 14th.
Those melt ponds in East Antarctica below the ice.

by ROBERTSCRIBBLER on NOVEMBER 28, 2016

Did Föhn Winds Just Melt Two Miles of East Antarctic Surface Ice in One Day?

Link

That paper today from East Antarctica. Confirms his first post. Scribbler out thought himself with this post . I read it when it first appeared. We did see melt ponds. But they drained in just hours. Some of his readers claimed " cloud shadows". Well they were wrong , and he was right once again.
This is how Putin makes someone his [prison slang term deleted] for all the world to see: give them a high award in a public ceremony.



I'm sure Tillerson didn't realize what was really happening when he got his Order of Friendship. He was certainly just thinking DCFR's and the like. Sad to see a smart person being used like this.
Quoting 51. MontanaZephyr:



This business could get disastorously ugly. If much gets 'uncovered', I can see calls from congress to have the election results thrown out, and it winds up in the Supreme Court. If that happens there is no telling what it will do, or what everyone else might do. One thing is certain, it won't be your average Garden Party. (And if you ever wondered why Gore let the 2000 election go the way it did....)

Quoting 21. 999Ai2016:


From the article :
"(Glaciers) have been a poster child of climate change," Roe said. "And people really need something to be able to look at, see pictures of and have an intuition and understanding of what climate change means."

So how about that :
* Northwestern Glacier melt, Alaska
* Muir Glacier melt, Alaska
* McCarty Glacier melt, Alaska
* Pedersen Glacier melt, Alaska

Speed of Glacier Retreat Worldwide "Historically Unprecedented", Says Report
Tim Radford/The Guardian, 4 August 2015.


Also notice the "greening". The tree line and green line have both been moving further north as the planet warms. It's remarkable how fast it's happening.
Quoting 60. Climate175:




Not holding my breath for a white christmas, though it would be nice to get a few inches on the ground. :)
Quoting 51. MontanaZephyr:



This business could get disastorously ugly. If much gets 'uncovered', I can see calls from congress to have the election results thrown out, and it winds up in the Supreme Court. If that happens there is no telling what it will do, or what everyone else might do. One thing is certain, it won't be your average Garden Party. (And if you ever wondered why Gore let the 2000 election go the way it did....)
Nah, just throw it to the cock=pit that is the House of Representatives -- they'll deal with it fair and square .... amirite?

Nice typical day here today weatherwise -- lovely sunny breezy morning, upper 70sF, afternoon thundershower, followed by cool and calm -- 67F out right now. Love it!
Now the real sand in my craw tonight, Namely the old trope , "climate has always changed"

Ice ages have been linked to the Earth's wobbly orbit—but when is the next one?

http://phys.org/news/2016-12-ice-ages-linked-eart h-orbitbut.html
In December 1976 they published a landmark climate paper in Science, showing that climate records contained the same cycles as the three parameters that vary the Earth's orbit: eccentricity, obliquity and precession (shown in Figure 1). Eccentricity describes the shape of the Earth's orbit around the sun, varying from nearly a circle to an ellipse with a period of about 96,000 years. Obliquity is the tilt of the Earth's axis of rotation with respect to the plane of its orbit, which changes with a period of about 41,000 years. Precession refers to the fact that both Earth's rotational axis and orbital path precess (rotate) over time – the combined effects of these two components and the eccentricity produce an approximately 21,000-year cycle.

Read more at:Link
Book mark this one friends , every time you see that same old claim "Climate has always changed". Well yes it has over a 21.000 year cycle.
If we have merely delayed the next ice age, we will still be in the Quaternary Period – the last 2.58m years defined by the ice age cycles. But if we have stopped the ice ages, humans will have caused a much greater change and so have entered the Anthropocene period as some argue. If I had to put money on it, I'd say the Earth has experienced its last ice age for a very, very long time.

Read more at: Link
Yes and No on Global Temp Drop
Joe Bastardi

A gentle reminder to people on my side of the AGW issue.

1) The reason its such a big drop IS BECAUSE IT WAS SO WARM

2) This was easily seen, the forecast here was made in 2015


So here is where we are now with sat temps


The peak was so outrageous before the drop is huge after, but notice that its not as great yet against the means as previous La Ninas. And guess what, this La Nina is shot. However the bigger fish to dry is the the Indian Ocean Dipole, The Pacific Decadol Oscillation and the Atlantic Multidecadol Oscillation. Like the 60s and 70s, those are due to turn cold ( at least less warm), which would mean cooling perhaps back to where temps were in the late 1970s.

BTW using NCEP CFSR data, the drop is not so great

To close I will reiterate my position on all this: ( seen its entirety here)
https://patriotpost.us/opinion/42741
but summed up best here
The whole argument as to what is best for us going forward is simple.

1.) How much is man responsible for variances that were previously exclusively natural?

In my opinion, most of the warmth today is likely natural given the tiny amounts of CO2 relative to the entire system, of which the oceans have 1000x the heat capacity and are the great thermostat of the planet, taking centuries of action and reaction to reach where they are now.

2.) Is this worth the draconian reactions that will handcuff the greatest experiment in freedom and prosperity in history, the United States of America?

3.) This question may arise, if one wants: Would not the cost of adaptation to such things, rather than trying to correct what has always happened in the past anyway, be a sounder fiscal response?
Let%u2019s remember, our own EPA administrator said all this would save .01 degrees Celsius in 30 years, and that it was mostly an example for the rest of the world. Color me skeptical that the rest of the world is going to follow; instead, it will take advantage of repercussions on the American way of life that this causes. Not every nation is our friend, after all, if you actually look at the real world. No one is against any form of clean, safe, cheap energy. I am against economic suicide like we have seen in Europe, which will then handcuff generations for the chance of economic peace and prosperity.
Lets make sure everything is in perspective. Biggest Drop ever? Maybe, but it would not be if it wasnt the warmest we have measured in the past 35 years before. Its not like it was normal and dropped to -1C
Quoting 69. RobertWC:

In December 1976 they published a landmark climate paper in Science, showing that climate records contained the same cycles as the three parameters that vary the Earth's orbit: eccentricity, obliquity and precession (shown in Figure 1). Eccentricity describes the shape of the Earth's orbit around the sun, varying from nearly a circle to an ellipse with a period of about 96,000 years. Obliquity is the tilt of the Earth's axis of rotation with respect to the plane of its orbit, which changes with a period of about 41,000 years. Precession refers to the fact that both Earth's rotational axis and orbital path precess (rotate) over time – the combined effects of these two components and the eccentricity produce an approximately 21,000-year cycle.

Read more at:Link
When you post comments like this one, it reminds me of SAR...He was on this blog all the time, then suddenly stopped...Such an uncanny semblance...:)
Quoting 73. PensacolaDoug:

Yes and No on Global Temp Drop
Joe Bastardi

A gentle reminder to people on my side of the AGW issue.

1) The reason its such a big drop IS BECAUSE IT WAS SO WARM

2) This was easily seen, the forecast here was made in 2015


So here is where we are now with sat temps


The peak was so outrageous before the drop is huge after, but notice that its not as great yet against the means as previous La Ninas. And guess what, this La Nina is shot. However the bigger fish to dry is the the Indian Ocean Dipole, The Pacific Decadol Oscillation and the Atlantic Multidecadol Oscillation. Like the 60s and 70s, those are due to turn cold ( at least less warm), which would mean cooling perhaps back to where temps were in the late 1970s.

BTW using NCEP CFSR data, the drop is not so great

To close I will reiterate my position on all this: ( seen its entirety here)
https://patriotpost.us/opinion/42741
but summed up best here
The whole argument as to what is best for us going forward is simple.

1.) How much is man responsible for variances that were previously exclusively natural?

In my opinion, most of the warmth today is likely natural given the tiny amounts of CO2 relative to the entire system, of which the oceans have 1000x the heat capacity and are the great thermostat of the planet, taking centuries of action and reaction to reach where they are now.

2.) Is this worth the draconian reactions that will handcuff the greatest experiment in freedom and prosperity in history, the United States of America?

3.) This question may arise, if one wants: Would not the cost of adaptation to such things, rather than trying to correct what has always happened in the past anyway, be a sounder fiscal response?
Let%u2019s remember, our own EPA administrator said all this would save .01 degrees Celsius in 30 years, and that it was mostly an example for the rest of the world. Color me skeptical that the rest of the world is going to follow; instead, it will take advantage of repercussions on the American way of life that this causes. Not every nation is our friend, after all, if you actually look at the real world. No one is against any form of clean, safe, cheap energy. I am against economic suicide like we have seen in Europe, which will then handcuff generations for the chance of economic peace and prosperity.
Lets make sure everything is in perspective. Biggest Drop ever? Maybe, but it would not be if it wasnt the warmest we have measured in the past 35 years before. Its not like it was normal and dropped to -1C


Informative and truthful. Thanks for the post!
Quoting 72. BaltimoreBrian:

Trump says 'nobody really knows' if climate change is real


David Titley:
‏@dwtitley

kinda like "nobody really knows" if the earth goes around the sun.


Michael E. Mann:
‏@MichaelEMann

There is so much natural variation. Sun goes up, Sun goes down. Totally unpredictable!

Packed and stacked for San Fran tomorrow.

Wheels up @ 2:59 PM CDT NOLA.



Arrive Vegas 4 hrs later.

Then a 5 hr Vegas Layover.

"Dude, what is a barometer and why would I want it?"




...arrive SFO 12:00 midnight.












It is interesting how Antarctic Ice levels are very high while Arctic ice levels are very low.
Quoting 75. hotroddan:


Informative and truthful. Thanks for the post!

Long wrong Joe Bastardi

Quoting 79. Xandra:


Long wrong Joe Bastardi



Joe Bastardi seems to have some good ideas/
Quoting 78. hotroddan:

It is interesting how Antarctic Ice levels are very high while Arctic ice levels are very low.

Are you lying or just misinformed?

Quoting 75. hotroddan:


Informative and truthful. Thanks for the post!

The post of material from JB mentions "suicide" by the Europeans. Lets be clear about something. Oil is bought and sold on a world market where supply and demand have an effect on price (that noise you hear is capitalists cheering).
Higher rates of oil consumption lead to higher prices for that oil. Many of the countries that sell oil on the world market do not like the US very much, and many of these countries have used their petrodollars to inflict injury on the US. Lest we forget, 19 of the 20 9/11 hijackers carried Saudi passports. Bottom line, when we buy oil, we are shoving money into the hands of those who wish to do us harm and in fact have done us great harm. So I ask you, who, exactly, is committing suicide?
Quoting 84. ACSeattle:


The post of material from JB mentions "suicide" by the Europeans. Lets be clear about something. Oil is bought and sold on a world market where supply and demand have an effect on price (that noise you hear is capitalists cheering).
Higher rates of oil consumption lead to higher prices for that oil. Many of the countries that sell oil on the world market do not like the US very much, and many of these countries have used their petrodollars to inflict injury on the US. Lest we forget, 19 of the 20 9/11 hijackers carried Saudi passports. Bottom line, when we buy oil, we are shoving money into the hands of those who wish to do us harm and in fact have done us great harm. So I ask you, who, exactly, is committing suicide?

How is this relevant to the post that I quoted?
Quoting 78. hotroddan:

It is interesting how Antarctic Ice levels are very high while Arctic ice levels are very low.


My understanding is that Climate Change Theory predicts that (for now). Sorry, I don't have the source handy, but it was from one of the climate scientists doing a lecture about ice melt and sea rise. It was the only video of that scientist I have seen and it was some time ago.

Meanwhile:

Scott Pruitt, Trump’s Climate-Denying EPA Pick, Is Worse Than You Think

Link
On post 83, wham bam thank you mam :)

I would bother to refute some of this nonsense myself but know about 100 or 200 here are far more qualified and communicate better.

Great graph
.
Quite curious.
Quoting 89. ronnm:

Quite curious.




Apologies, ronnm, that was my mistake.
Quoting 78. hotroddan:

It is interesting how Antarctic Ice levels are very high while Arctic ice levels are very low.
Yes they really are high -- almost as high as the ice over Chicago 30,000 years ago -- about 2 miles high. But sea ice -- now that is another matter.
Quoting 76. Xandra:


David Titley:
‏@dwtitley

kinda like "nobody really knows" if the earth goes around the sun.


Michael E. Mann:
‏@MichaelEMann

There is so much natural variation. Sun goes up, Sun goes down. Totally unpredictable!



Bill O'Reilly: "Tide goes in, tide goes out, you can't explain that"
It serves as great entertainment to watch denialists get their head handed to them on a plate around here,
by informed peoples some professionals in the field, posting facts figures graphs and scientific data. And it appears the denialists are usually not intelligent enough to realize how soundly they are being trashed.

But thrashing it is wether they know it or not, and quite complete.




Buried Antarctic Lake Is a Climate Surprise
By Nathaniel Scharping | December 12, 2016 3:43 pm



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In Antarctica, the western peninsula seems to get all of the attention, because that’s where the effects of climate change are most apparent — ice shelves are breaking apart there as you read this.

But a team of researchers from Belgium and the Netherlands found compelling evidence to suggest that eastern Antarctica, considered the more stable, is beginning to feel the effects of climate change as well.

Look to the East

The team studied the King Baudouin Ice Shelf in East Antarctica, part of the Norwegian slice of the continent. East Antarctica was thought to be fairly resilient in the face of a warming planet, as that part of the landmass remains much cooler than the western peninsula.

By combining satellite measurements with field surveys and models, researchers discovered a massive lake of freshwater underneath the ice shelf, a sure sign that melting has occurred. Once set in motion, the loss of this ice shelf and others could precipitate an increasingly perilous series of events for the ice shelf. The team published its findings Monday in Nature Climate Change.

Ice Shelves Not Real Problem

In Antarctica, the melting ice shelves are only a symptom of a larger problem. They float on the water already, so if they melt, it won’t affect sea levels. However, they hold back massive glaciers on land, and if the ice shelves go, the glaciers will begin sliding toward the sea, causing significant increases in sea levels and endangering coastal cities the world over. It is estimated that Antarctica holds enough ice to raise sea levels by around 200 feet if it all melted. Since 1870, sea levels have only risen a little more than half a foot.

In the Antarctic summer, warmer temperatures cause the ice shelves to melt, while warmer ocean currents eat away from beneath. On the surface, torrents of meltwater carve canyons through the solid ice, seeping into fractures in the ice and filling subsurface chambers with water. Over time, the water forces apart the ice shelf, calving off sections as giant icebergs and dispersing its vast mass.

This occurred in 2002, when the 1,200-square-mile Larsen B ice shelf in West Antarctica broke apart in just over a month. Warm water had carved the ice shelf to pieces, and its demise was swift. Following its break-up, the glaciers Larsen B held back began accelerating toward the sea, where they too will begin to melt.

The continuous outflow of meltwater is another method of ice shelf destruction. This lightens the shelf, and the resultant upsurge can serve to break it from its mooring points on the seabed. This grounding line is an important data point for researchers, because it shows how much of the ice shelf is floating and how much is still anchored to the earth.

Lakes Where No Lake Should Be

In their study, the researchers found liquid water accumulating in a zone near the grounding line on the King Baudouin Ice Shelf. They gathered data by drilling into the ice, but much of the melting was obvious — blue rivers flowed throughout the sheet. In total, they report 55 glacial lakes both above and below the surface.

These kinds of lakes were not thought to form in East Antarctica, where conditions should keep the ice shelves cooler than in West Antarctica. The researchers think that a different kind of meteorological phenomenon may be to blame here.

The interior surface of Antarctica rises thousands of feet above sea level in the interior; here, air is denser and flows outward toward the shores. Over hundreds of miles, this stream of air strengthens to gale force, creating powerful winds that blow from the center of the continent toward the sea. .

These are called katabatic winds, and the researchers believe they are responsible for the warming of East Antarctica. As the winds carry toward the shore, they mix warmer air from the atmosphere with cold surface air, increasing temperatures and contributing to melting.

Researchers say the shelf is stable for the moment, but the presence of lakes where there should be ice is a worrying sign. Not only does it herald warming, but it exposes darker ice, which absorbs more heat, to the sunlight, speeding up the melting process. To learn more, check out this website made by the researchers detailing their findings.

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Quoting 41. RobertWC:

This is what science calls "falling out of bed".



Evening, all. Can someone explain this? Specifically what FDD is. (It's probably obvious) Thanks!
Quoting 51. MontanaZephyr:



This business could get disastorously ugly. If much gets 'uncovered', I can see calls from congress to have the election results thrown out, and it winds up in the Supreme Court. If that happens there is no telling what it will do, or what everyone else might do. One thing is certain, it won't be your average Garden Party. (And if you ever wondered why Gore let the 2000 election go the way it did....)

It could be simpler, though just as exciting if enough of the electors follow Hamilton's advice and do the right thing on December 19. Already, 7 have tipped their hands, but I'm guessing there are more who we won't know about until they vote. If it's a tie, or nobody gets a majority, the Repubs in the House will have the last word.
Quoting 95. LAbonbon:


Evening, all. Can someone explain this? Specifically what FDD is. (It's probably obvious) Thanks!


Freezing Degree Days.

It's an odd form of graph and hard to read because of the size. It is odd because, IF I understand it correctly, the normal number of FDD is set at zero, and the zero line is near the top of the graph. (I also assume that freezing degree days are like growing degree days... each degree below freezing (daily average) counts as one FDD).

So what the graph is showing is the increasing deficit of FDD relative to normal.
Quoting 83. no1der:


Are you lying or just misinformed?




Sea ice extent may reflect a different measure than ice/snow build up on the continent.
Quoting 97. MontanaZephyr:



Freezing Degree Days.

It's an odd form of graph and hard to read because of the size. It is odd because, IF I understand it correctly, the normal number of FDD is set at zero, and the zero line is near the top of the graph. (I also assume that freezing degree days are like growing degree days... each degree below freezing (daily average) counts as one FDD).

So what the graph is showing is the increasing deficit of FDD relative to normal.

Thanks so much for the clarification and explanation. It's much appreciated :)
Quoting 98. MontanaZephyr:



Sea ice extent may reflect a different measure than ice/snow build up on the continent.
In the unlikely event that the OP was contrasting Arctic sea ice and Antarctic land ice, here are the GRACE mass-change data for continental Antarctica:



Quoting 78. hotroddan:

It is interesting how Antarctic Ice levels are very high while Arctic ice levels are very low.


Water hold heat. The Arctic is water. The Antarctic is land. Therefore, the most drastic changes to climate will be seen in the Arctic and the Northern Hemisphere.
Quoting 73. PensacolaDoug:

Yes and No on Global Temp Drop -snip-
1.How much is man responsible for variances that were previously exclusively natural?

2.Is this worth the draconian reactions that will handcuff the greatest experiment in freedom and prosperity in history, the United States of America?

3.Would not the cost of adaptation to such things, rather than trying to correct what has always happened in the past anyway, be a sounder fiscal response?


See here is the immediate fart in the car. The reason I'm not addressing those graphs is because they were useless. The scale was awful and no self respecting scientist would waste their time selecting a tiny quantity of data with such a large quantity available unless they tried to make false representation of something. I mean really, that is cherry picking.

As for the questions posed, Here is your summary: Heavy hard hint today's temperature anomaly is well within forecast parameters, doing anything will destroy the economy and is unpatriotic and doing anything will waste money.

#1 Wrongs: This completely dodges observations for many good hard indicators of climate change. Oh like, maybe the total square mileage of permafrost increasing or decreasing, or perhaps a northward or southward drift of growing seasons, or say maybe sea ice volume or perhaps sea level rise. But even if we do play the numbers game take a look at how badly it creams climate science denialists - We keep breaking and re-breaking the hottest year ever on record.

https://icons.wxug.com/hurricane/2016/nov-oct-glo bal-temps.jpg

2. Wrongs: How sad it is that we call it "handcuffing" ourselves. First off, we subsidize the fossil fuel industry to the tune of over 20 billion dollars a year. It would be cheaper for us 10 years ago to simply give every household 10,000 dollars and say, here, put Made in America solar panels on your roof, or wind turbines in that farm field over there. That would cut our fossil fuel energy consumption in half, pay for itself, and eliminate the legacy costs of oil. Legacy cost as in Exxon Valdez ruining a section of coastline that turns all the seafood there into cancer bon-bons. Plus, it makes real jobs. Lots and lots of real jobs, Both labor for installation and manufacturing, far more than drilling a hole and attaching a pipe to it. As it stands we're not making Americans richer. A teeny tiny few make billions, and a small group of drillers are momentarily up to their necks in prostitutes and meth but this does not trickle down equally and our government shouldn't be picking winners and losers like that. Make a job have an equal chance at happening in Iowa City Iowa or Williston North Dakota, not just one small oil boom town that will turn into a eco-disaster once the oil is gone.

3. Wrongs: The adaptation to what? Can you believe this crap-tastic question? They write it like the worst that would happen is its not going to be so cold in the winter and what we have seen in the past is what we will see in the future. What BS. How will coastlines deal with drowning? The question is not truthful, its a framing of a situation, not the actual situation itself.
Quoting 92. washingaway:

Bill O'Reilly: "Tide goes in, tide goes out, you can't explain that"
Did Bill O'Reilly really say that? Lordy. He did!
Quoting 96. BayFog:


It could be simpler, though just as exciting if enough of the electors follow Hamilton's advice and do the right thing on December 19. Already, 7 have tipped their hands, but I'm guessing there are more who we won't know about until they vote. If it's a tie, or nobody gets a majority, the Repubs in the House will have the last word.


I did hypothesize that republicans would try to find a reason to dump him so they could their "real" candidate Pence. But that's like jumping from the frying pan into a fiery apocalypse of thermonuclear death and destruction.

At that point it wouldn't just be earth science that suffers, but all science. I'd have to go back to homeschooling my child as I can only imagine the curriculum that zealot would put together: "Today class, we're going to study fossils! Actual proof of the evil Satan trying to fool humans into thinking the Earth is older than 6000 years old!"
Quoting 103. BaltimoreBrian:

Did Bill O'Reilly really say that? Lordy. He did!


I find a good way to repel the O'Reilly's of the world is to hold up a science book and carry a graphing calculator. :P
Quoting 104. Xyrus2000:



I did hypothesize that republicans would try to find a reason to dump him so they could their "real" candidate Spence. But that's like jumping from the frying pan into a fiery apocalypse of thermonuclear death and destruction.

At that point it wouldn't just be earth science that suffers, but all science. I'd have to go back to homeschooling my child as I can only imagine the curriculum that zealot would put together: "Today class, we're going to study fossils! Actual proof of the evil Satan trying to fool humans into thinking the Earth is older than 6000 years old!"


Do you mean Pence? might want to edit. or have I missed someone named Spence?
Quoting 82. hotroddan:
...


You know, we could run our own fruit business with all the cherry pickers we get on here.
Hopefully a decent rainstorm for Soo Cal at the end of the week!

Sierra streams have been running high as a result of heavy rain Saturday, and there's a good chance there will be flooding by Thursday as the Hawaiian tap gets squeezed by a push of cold air plus a low forecast to develop off of San Francisco, with strong winds. Add to that, a bay and coastal flood advisory is out for king tides starting tomorrow. Once the cold air moves in, the Sierra should see a dropping snow level and several feet of new snow.
Nice to see you dressed up for your venture!

Quoting 77. Patrap:

Packed and stacked for San Fran tomorrow.

Wheels up @ 2:59 PM CDT NOLA.



Arrive Vegas 4 hrs later.

Then a 5 hr Vegas Layover.

"Dude, what is a barometer and why would I want it?"




...arrive SFO 12:00 midnight.













Oh no, the old blog has seized up again I think.
Quoting 106. SunnyDaysFla:



Do you mean Pence? might want to edit. or have I missed someone named Spence?



Late night typing while watching/listening to a video lecture on non-linear learning algorithms. Nobody's perfect. :)
Quote:
62. bappit
10:53 PM GMT on December 12, 2016
5 +
This is how Putin makes someone his [prison slang term deleted] for all the world to see: give them a high award in a public ceremony.



I'm sure Tillerson didn't realize what was really happening when he got his Order of Friendship. He was certainly just thinking DCFR's and the like. Sad to see a smart person being used like this.

 The United States and Russia maintain roughly 1,800 of their nuclear weapons on high-alert status – ready to be launched within minutes of a warning. Most are many times more powerful than the atomic bombs dropped on Japan in 1945. Just maybe this is the beginning to turn those weapons into plowshares... Our civilization might want to consider a path to life instead of death...I applaud the effort toward peace...

Quoting 112. Xyrus2000:



Late night typing while watching/listening to a video lecture on non-linear learning algorithms. Nobody's perfect. :)


I actually was NOT being snarky LOL. I thought it was possible I missed another science adverse politician.
World's largest reindeer herd plummets
By Rebecca Morelle Science Correspondent, BBC News, San Francisco, 8 hours ago
The world's largest wild reindeer herd has fallen by 40% since 2000, scientists have warned.
They say that the animals, which live in the Taimyr Peninsula in the northernmost tip of Russia, are being affected by rising temperatures and human activity.
This is causing the animals to change their annual migration patterns.
The research has been presented at the Fall Meeting of the American Geophysical Union (AGU). ...


Bushfire fears as south-eastern Australia swelters through record heat
Emergency services say NSW and ACT ‘extremely vulnerable’ to bushfires as temperatures set to exceed 33C in Sydney, Canberra, Melbourne and Adelaide
The Guardian, Tuesday 13 December 2016 04.05 GMT

Close Look at a Crack on Larsen C
NASA Earth Observatory, December 13, 2016



Best wishes for the morning and the day, everyone ...

Looks like TD 91 is bringing a lot of rain to central/southern Vietnam right now.


Without words ...
very heavy rain reported Fiji. slow moving trough.
A few recently published research papers, as an antidote. Source : AGW Observer.

Sea ice thickness and recent Arctic warming
Andreas Lang, Shuting Yang, Eigil Kaas - accepted manuscript online: 12 December 2016.
(...) Results show that the recent sea ice thinning has significantly affected the Arctic climate, while remote atmospheric responses are less pronounced owing to a high internal atmospheric variability. Locally the sea ice thinning results in enhancement of near surface warming of about 1 C per decade in winter, which is most pronounced over marginal sea ice areas with thin ice. This leads to an increase of the Arctic amplification factor by 37%.

Changes in meandering of the Northern Hemisphere circulation
Giorgia Di Capua and Dim Coumou - published 22 September 2016.

Prolonged El Nino conditions in 2014-2015 and the rapid intensification of Hurricane Patricia in the eastern Pacific
Gregory R. Foltz, Karthik Balaguru - published 7 October 2016.

Competitive fitness of a predominant pelagic calcifier impaired by ocean acidification
Too many names to cite in full - published online 12 December 2016.
(...) We conclude that ocean acidification can lower calcifying phytoplankton productivity, potentially creating a positive feedback to the climate system.
Quoting 118. barbamz:



Without words ...


Corporate coup completed.
Quoting 123. cRRKampen:
Corporate coup completed.

Yes. Be afraid.
Bernie Sanders:
‏@SenSanders

Yes Mr. Trump, climate change is a "hoax." It was just a haphazard occurrence that that 13 of the 15 hottest years have occurred since 2000.

I'm sorry- when did this site become yet another arm of the DNC and RNC?

Don't you people have lives outside of politics? No longer is this a place to come, to discuss actual WEATHER! No; this is now the place to come, to trash your "political enemies."

Some of you have hijacked these blogs and transformed them into your own little echo chamber. Dr. Masters must be proud.

Quoting 126. nash36:

I'm sorry- when did this site become yet another arm of the DNC and RNC?

Don't you people have lives outside of politics? No longer is this a place to come, to discuss actual WEATHER! No; this is now the place to come, to trash your "political enemies."

Some of you have hijacked these blogs and transformed them into your own little echo chamber. Dr. Masters must be proud.



Yeah I agree with you on this one. I've been trying to say something the last few blogs, but since I don't post much I'm worried that I'd get yelled at. I mean come on we just had a pretty good-sized snowstorm,and we are having probably the biggest cold event in december in years. And you guys are arguing like you are on a political news panel.
Yeah; would be nice to leave the political bashing out of the picture for a little bit on this Blog unless related to legitimate science and climate issues where there is a lot to discuss.  Bernie Sanders held a town hall meeting last evening with many Trump supporters and it was actually one of the most civil political discussions between opposing sides that I have seen in the last six months; simply lashing out at people is not cool and certainly not on a science based site.  
Quoting 127. Geoboy645:


the biggest cold event in december in years.

Two years maybe - you probably didn't note what happened last December.
Or this autumn and this November, for that matter.
You probably discovered 'winter in America is cold' and THAT indeed is today: news.
Here are the highs for today again; amazing warm spell for the South courtesy of the current position of the Conus jet and the warm flow from the E-Pac and the Gulf:

Graphic Forecast of Temperatures Across the US from the National Digital Forecast Database


And it is a tale of two cities in US based upon the current jet demarcation; bitter cold to the North and unseasonable warmth in the South:




Tillerson as Secretary Of State and Rick Perry to head the Energy Department. I think its pretty safe to say what Trump plans to do and that is make America energy independent. Dems won't like these series of picks. LOL!!
Quoting 111. BayFog:

Oh no, the old blog has seized up again I think.


Blog response has been slow for a while now. Seems like their back end isn't keeping up with the demand. I remember when the blogs would come up instantly, but now even late at night there's a significant delay.
Quoting 132. StormTrackerScott:

Tillerson as Secretary Of State and Rick Perry to head the Energy Department. I think its pretty safe to say what Trump plans to do and that is make America energy independent. Dems won't like these series of picks. LOL!!


Basically a blue-print for more Co2 emissions and setting the stage for pulling out of the Paris Treaty; that comment is based on science and not on party affiliation..............................
And Vardah has been downgraded but still appears to have a naked circulation and a little "dot" of convection around the COC now that it hit the water again as I mentioned yesterday (where it looked like it might actually survive the crossing of India):





SOI now negative the last 30 days and falling toward zero at 90 days.

Latest Southern Oscillation Index values
SOI values for 13 Dec 2016 Average for last 30 days -0.77
Average for last 90 days 1.41
Daily contribution to SOI calculation -2.91


Also watch the warm anomalies dig at a deeper depth over the last several weeks.

Quoting 134. weathermanwannabe:



Basically a blue-print for more Co2 emissions and setting the stage for pulling out of the Paris Treaty; that comment is based on science and not on party affiliation..............................


As a republican myself I was hoping that the meeting with Al Gore last week would have resonated. Trump has made it clear that he wants to make America a world power for oil drilling.
Quoting 137. PensacolaDoug:

The hate and violence always comes from the left. There's a viciousness to the left that the right cannot match.

Could call it self defense.
Anyway, revisionism is typically rightwing, too. There is a meme sprung that the Shoa was perpetrated by the extremeleft et cetera. Can't fool me.

Something else: some of the worlds most proficient killers called themselves e.g. 'socialist', 'communist', at least 'left'. Stalin and Mao. Can't fool me: their systems were exactly as fascist as Mussolini's Italy or the Third Reich.

Concern for the planet and for humanity is what the right calls 'violent', '(eco-)terrorism' et cetera. This is projection. Cannot fool me.

Quoting 138. StormTrackerScott:



As a republican myself I was hoping that the meeting with Al Gore last week would have resonated. Trump has made it clear that he wants to make America a world power for oil drilling.
Apparently Al Gore has to take a back seat to the personal, and oil drilling, relationship between the head of Exon Mobile and Putin......Just Sayin... :)
Quoting 137. PensacolaDoug:

The hate and violence always comes from the left. There's a viciousness to the left that the right cannot match.


I think we are seeing the effects of people being disgusted by a democratic society. Its come to a point where people all across the Globe are fed up not just Europe and not just the US. The nail in the coughin was all these terrorist attacks and people that head all these countries continuing to lets these murders in all these countries. Just this past weekend we saw atleast 2 or 3 terrorist attacks around the Globe.
Quoting 124. barbamz:


Yes. Be afraid.

Anticipate.
And the true enemy is your neighbour, just like it always was.
Quoting 140. weathermanwannabe:


Apparently Al Gore has to take a back seat to the personal, and oil drilling, relationship between the head of Exon Mobile and Putin......Just Sayin... :)


To Tillerson's defense he is fond of a lot of countries from the Middle East to Russia. Of coarse the liberals only mention the Russia ties. As head of Exxon Mobile he has a relationship with a lot more countries than just Russia.
Quoting 141. StormTrackerScott:



I think we are seeing the effects of people being disgusted by a democratic society. Its come to a point where people all across the Globe are fed up not just Europe and not just the US. The nail in the coughin was all these terrorist attacks and people that head all these countries continuing to lets these murders in all these countries. Just this past weekend we saw atleast 2 or 33 terrorist attacks around the Globe.

Yeah, people prefer governments that randomly kill tens of thousands over a few terrorist attacks we invited in the first place.

The problem is a generation that grew up in peace cannot envisage the Elend of fascism, war and genocide and we see now they need those again.
Without me, I'll be gone to a margin on the planet and I'll be cheering y'all on. This time you will know what you are doing.
Quoting 126. nash36:

I'm sorry- when did this site become yet another arm of the DNC and RNC?

Don't you people have lives outside of politics? No longer is this a place to come, to discuss actual WEATHER! No; this is now the place to come, to trash your "political enemies."

Some of you have hijacked these blogs and transformed them into your own little echo chamber. Dr. Masters must be proud.




Facts aren't political. Facts are facts. Weather is part of the earth sciences, and those sciences are under open attack with a new barrage coming across the bow on an almost regular basis. That's going to get people talking, especially those with long term interest in the earth sciences.

Climate, weather, environment, etc. are sciences and should NOT be political. But thanks to concerted efforts of bunch of science illiterate idiots and money grubbing sociopaths, they've been made political.
There is book out there called the "Dictionary of Political Thought" (by Rodger Scruton) which you can pick up on Amazon and which has been in print, and updated, for about 30 years. A real good read on the definition, and history, of terms like "liberal", "conservative", "communist", "republican", and so forth. We have all come so far away from what these terms actually mean that it is very laughable to me when people call each other "dems", "lefties", "righties", etc, in a derogatory fashion when you actually do not have a clue of what it actually means to be a true conservative or liberal, etc...........I like to think for myself which is why I became an Independent 14 years ago; the "Democrats" and "Republicans" in this County lost their way decades ago and many of us are not educated enough to see what has actually gone down.

Do yourselves a favor and pick up this book..............It would be quite a revelation.

Quoting 132. StormTrackerScott:

Tillerson as Secretary Of State and Rick Perry to head the Energy Department. I think its pretty safe to say what Trump plans to do and that is make America energy independent. Dems won't like these series of picks. LOL!!


No, scientists don't like these series of picks. And if you used facts instead of political dogma, you wouldn't be championing fossil fuels as a road to energy independence.

On the bright side though, the continuous use of fossil fuels will bring on a world where it's El Nino every year, which should make you happy because then you'll always be right.
Quoting 132. StormTrackerScott:

Tillerson as Secretary Of State and Rick Perry to head the Energy Department. I think its pretty safe to say what Trump plans to do and that is make America energy independent. Dems won't like these series of picks. LOL!!
Oh, my. A few years ago, Perry--no Rhodes Scholar--couldn't even remember the name of the Energy Department while promising to get rid of it during his infamous "Oops" moment that cost him the primary. Now he'll be running it.

That should go well. :\

And Tillerson? Just another unqualified, pro-pollution, profit-over-all swamp-dweller whose primary--in fact, only--goal will be to work with his BFF Vladimir to open up the Arctic for drilling, because the world isn't headed for climate chaos quite quickly enough for his tastes and smashing his foot down on the accelerator pedal will surely achieve that.

But we needn't worry. After all, PEOTUS assures us the Chinese-designed and -promulgated hoax of climate change is something about which no one really knows.
Quoting 141. StormTrackerScott:



I think we are seeing the effects of people being disgusted by a democratic society. Its come to a point where people all across the Globe are fed up not just Europe and not just the US. The nail in the coughin was all these terrorist attacks and people that head all these countries continuing to lets these murders in all these countries. Just this past weekend we saw atleast 2 or 3 terrorist attacks around the Globe.


And in the US alone, 11,000 people died this weekend due to cancer and heart disease. That number will be close to 2 million by the end of the year.

So objectively, what do you think the best way to go about saving American lives would be? Better healthcare or bigger bombs?
Quoting 138. StormTrackerScott:



As a republican myself I was hoping that the meeting with Al Gore last week would have resonated. Trump has made it clear that he wants to make America a world power for oil drilling.


In what alternate reality is America presently not a world power WRT FF extraction?
Quoting 105. Xyrus2000:



I find a good way to repel the O'Reilly's of the world is to hold up a science book and carry a graphing calculator. :P


I give you a plus, even though I don't know how to use a graphing calculator. We didn't have those things when I was in college. We didn't even have arithmetic calculators! We used slide rules! We weren't allowed to use calculators, because only the wealthy could afford one at over $400.00 in 1968 dollars. U of I Chicago (née Circle Campus)
Calcium carbonate looks better than sulfur dioxide at reducing incoming solar heat with fewer side effects.

Source: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-12-12 /scientists-want-to-give-the-atmosphere-an-antacid -to-relieve-climate-change
Quoting 139. cRRKampen:


Could call it self defense.
Anyway, revisionism is typically rightwing, too. There a meme sprung that the Shoa was perpetrated by the extremeleft et cetera. Can't fool me.

Something else: some of the worlds most proficient killers called themselves e.g. 'socialist', 'communist', at least 'left'. Stalin and Mao. Can't fool me: their systems were exactly as fascist as Mussolini's Italy or the Third Reich.

Concern for the planet and for humanity is what the right calls 'violent', '(eco-)terrorism' et cetera. This is projection. Cannot fool me.
cRR, this was just a typical preschool retort by the poster. "I'm rubber, you're glue, whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you, nah nah nah". Any engagement with these [redacted] people just fuels them. It's best to update your ignore list. When one makes their own facts and reality, they can never be wrong. This is what the political right is doing since their ideology sucks when confronted with reality.
Quoting 151. nash36:

*Prays for a debilitating blizzard for the SE*

At least THEN, the nonstop hyperventilating over politics and climate change would take a backseat.

Oh, who the hell am I kidding; it wouldn't. People could be buried under seven feet of snow in Atlanta and Charleston, and this place would still be full of political ninnies, spouting off.

It seriously pains me as to what this blog has become.
If the topic currently being discussed in the forum is not to one's liking, I think repeatedly complaining about it while calling others derogatory names and wishing calamity upon millions of others is a surefire way to steer the discussion elsewhere. :\

As Xyrus noted in #145: "Weather is part of the earth sciences, and those sciences are under open attack with a new barrage coming across the bow on an almost regular basis. That's going to get people talking, especially those with long term interest in the earth sciences."
GFS has consistently been modeling very heavy snow over Southern Wisconsin and Northern Illinois for the weekend. ~ inch of precipitation and it's cold to very cold so could be greater than 10:1 easily.

No sign of blizzard force winds though.
Quoting 149. Xyrus2000:



And in the US alone, 11,000 people died this weekend due to cancer and heart disease. That number will be close to 2 million by the end of the year.

So objectively, what do you think the best way to go about saving American lives would be? Better healthcare or bigger bombs?


outlaw tobacco

just sayin'
Quoting 149. Xyrus2000:



And in the US alone, 11,000 people died this weekend due to cancer and heart disease. That number will be close to 2 million by the end of the year.

So objectively, what do you think the best way to go about saving American lives would be? Better healthcare or bigger bombs?


This logic is why you guys lost the House, the Senate, and the presidency. I'm sorry 49 people just died here in Orlando from a horrific terrorist attack while all the signs where their with this guy we did nothing to prevent this tragedy. This type of complacency has to stop and that is why so many voted for change. 2 biggest things that swayed votes on Election night where security and jobs.
Quoting 154. SouthTampa:

cRR, this was just a typical preschool retort by the poster. "I'm rubber, you're glue, whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you, nah nah nah". Any engagement with these [redacted] people just fuels them. It's best to update your ignore list. When one makes their own facts and reality, they can never be wrong. This is what the political right is doing since their ideology sucks when confronted with reality.

Thanks. I do use the iList. But I tend to keep a pet or two (know ur enemy et c).
Quoting 159. StormTrackerScott:



This logic is why you guys lost the House, the Senate, and the presidency. I'm sorry 49 people just died here in Orlando from a horrific terrorist attack while all the signs where their with this guy we did nothing to prevent this tragedy. This type of complacency has to stop and that is why so many voted for change. 2 biggest things that swayed votes on Election night where security and jobs.

*were*
Quoting 137. PensacolaDoug:

The hate and violence always comes from the left. There's a viciousness to the left that the right cannot match.


You should google yer last 1100 posts here and get back to us in reality land.

Your numbers run like this.

89% GOP derp.

5% weather,..and the rest ,,dunno..gibberish,gish gallop.

: P
When the body politic has the op to Kill millions..u damn well sure we with sentient thought will be here.

A Maniac is loose and he can destroy us ALL with a single twitter account.



So the topic here can run the gamut of silly, to down right facts about this 'Entering into the void, swamp squirming cabinet of Bloviating Billionaires and old former USMC Generals.

What could possibly go wrong?


Quoting 158. aquak9:



outlaw tobacco

just sayin'

I'm a smoker unfortunately. I would line up early at the voting booth to have it banned from every single store in a America.
Quoting 126. nash36:

I'm sorry- when did this site become yet another arm of the DNC and RNC?

Don't you people have lives outside of politics? No longer is this a place to come, to discuss actual WEATHER! No; this is now the place to come, to trash your "political enemies."

Some of you have hijacked these blogs and transformed them into your own little echo chamber. Dr. Masters must be proud.



He is. The blog topic includes reviews of books on Climate Change. That is the topic and is therefore highly relevant to the comments.
internet started hot and heavy around 1995-2000. changed the world. wonder if it changed the way we report temperatures? certainly been well above normal this yr here locally.
Quoting 127. Geoboy645:


Yeah I agree with you on this one. I've been trying to say something the last few blogs, but since I don't post much I'm worried that I'd get yelled at. I mean come on we just had a pretty good-sized snowstorm,and we are having probably the biggest cold event in december in years. And you guys are arguing like you are on a political news panel.

Then post about the snow. Let us know your experience. But trashing what the authors of the blog post on their blog topic and the blog community commenting on the author's topic is what is intended to happen, not your demands of what should happen.
Happy Holidays .Big hand waves floating on the breeze off the lapping waves of the Detroit River...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVaBd8OjSh E
Quoting 129. cRRKampen:


Two years maybe - you probably didn't note what happened last December.
Or this autumn and this November, for that matter.
You probably discovered 'winter in America is cold' and THAT indeed is today: news.
I meant that it's been the coldest outbreak here in Wisconsin in December at least for a while. Frankly I can't remember the last time we had -25 wind chills forecasted in mid December.It's been at least since before 2011. So that's what I mean not something completely else.
Tweeting for Bucks: Has the Kleptocracy Already Begun?
Monday, December 12, 2016
At 8:20 AM EST this morning an unknown party began short-selling stock in Lockheed-Martin. (A short seller makes money when a stock drops.) Six minutes later, at 8:26 AM Donald Trump tweeted: "The F-35 program and cost is out of control. Billions of dollars can and will be saved on military (and other) purchases after January 20th." Lockheed-Martin is the designer of the f-35 and the lead manufacturer of the F-35 program.

A substantial number of shares were short-sold just before the president-elect's tweet, potentially netting the short seller millions of dollars in profit in a matter of minutes.

Insider trading is stock trading for profit based on information known only to a small group of individuals with special knowledge about a company before it is revealed to the public. It is regarded in the United States as a serious crime. SEC Rule 10b5-1 provides that a person who trades on the basis of material nonpublic information and is aware of that information and that it will affect the value of a stock is guilty of insider trading if a profit is made from the trade.

The trade mentioned in this story has not been investigated by the SEC and whether or not it was coincidental remains unknown. However, the size of the trade and its proximity to Mr. Trump's announcement should trigger an inquiry.


Quoting 165. Patrap:



He forgot to mention, Exxon "Knew" Mobil...
Image source : The World's Top 25 Companies - Forbes.

Edit : Oh I see, Tillerson's nomination still wasn't official when he tweeted that.
Re: 173 - Pat, what's the source?
Whitley Strieber, unknowncountry.com, He is a good friend too.

Writer of The Key, Communion, and other.
Quoting 152. ChiThom:



I give you a plus, even though I don't know how to use a graphing calculator. We didn't have those things when I was in college. We didn't even have arithmetic calculators! We used slide rules! We weren't allowed to use calculators, because only the wealthy could afford one at over $400.00 in 1968 dollars. U of I Chicago (née Circle Campus)


I didn't think calculators were even available in 1968 for consumers. Prices of them plummetted in 1974-5 when I got my 4ops+sqrt one in December and a scientific calculator Sept 1976 for college. One year older and I would have been using a slide rule. I did use the method of bisection to find roots on 4ops calculators prior to getting my sqrt one in December.



Quoting 168. islander101010:
internet started hot and heavy around 1995-2000. changed the world. wonder if it changed the way we report temperatures? certainly been well above normal this yr here locally.


Next Trump tweet- "The internet - created by Al Gore- is the SOLE cause of global warming."
Quoting 178. georgevandenberghe:


It might have been a couple of years later... they didn't have square root function. They were just adding machines. My first calculator used "Polish notation". Not kidding!
..once I thought I saw you in a crowded hazy bar, dancing on the light from Star to Star'..






Quoting 177. Patrap:

Whitley Strieber, unknowncountry.com, He is a good friend too.

Writer of The Key, Communion, and other.

Thanks
184. elioe
Quoting 155. Neapolitan:

If the topic currently being discussed in the forum is not to one's liking, I think repeatedly complaining about it while calling others derogatory names and wishing calamity upon millions of others is a surefire way to steer the discussion elsewhere. :\ [...]


Most likely not. According to blog rules, the recommended action is to flag political comments, that are not in reference to science, science policy or the blog topic. And to flag any comments that quote such political comments. Let's see if it works... there might not be many comments left.
It's 18° out, and going down today. I'm heading off to work.
Quoting 177. Patrap:

Whitley Strieber, unknowncountry.com, He is a good friend too.

Writer of The Key, Communion, and other.


Whitley Strieber is a wack job. Mr. Conspiracy Theory and alien (visitors) abductions.
Quoting 163. nash36:



Obviously, folks don't understand tongue-in-cheek.

I most certainly would not want calamity for the cities I mentioned. I used the scenario as an exercise to further prove my point; people have become obsessed with everything politics.

Sick of it. Take it to NBC, Politico, or whatever extremist, partisan hack rag you wish to.
But those extremist, partisan hack rags--Breitbart, Townhall, PJ Media, and the like--won't let me comment any more. Where am I supposed to go?

Anyway, as to the blog topic, Dr. Mann's The Madhouse Effect is an awesome piece of literature, and seems to be very helpful to those who may be on the fence about the whole issue, but have been conditioned by a complicit press to believe there are two equal sides arguing about the issue, both backed by the same amount of scientific truth. I purchased several copies from Amazon, and should get them in a day or two. Can't wait to warp them and hand them out...
From this morning's NPR Morning Edition, scientists at the AGU meeting are interviewed:

Trump's Election Leaves Scientists In A Climate Of Uncertainty
Well if anyone cares about my local weather report we could be seeing the coldest December days,since 2010 around here,with a high of 31 for Thursday with single digit wind chills and a high of 27 on Friday and wind chills in the negatives.It is quite a stark contrast from last December when 60's and 70's were common around here and unfortunately the precipitation will not be properly timed with this round of cold air so instead we get pitiful rain with 50's for Saturday.
i see Pensacola Doug and Team Obfuscate are selling the old "atmospheric science and it's study began with 1998 data sets" call for no human induced warming... or even better, the compelling data sets from 2005 to present.
That's some Deep stuff Team Obfuscate!!!
14yrs coming to this blog i've watched the argument against human impact on the state of global climate become thinner and thinner. Doug, you are bright and quick. i just cannot fathom that you are still scratching at this after all this time, your nails are worn to the nub. the myopia is so very visible, i can only guess it's all about pride at this point.
"Lets make sure everything is in perspective." -this is the most ironic thing you could have stated at the end of a passage about trends that supposedly will impact the future yet you post no data relating to them. the data set you do provide starts in 2005. you make an insinuation about the economics of adaptation, which isn't even an argument, rather an assumption delivered on the premise that human activity alone exists in a vacuum of economy-based metrics. really Doug, perspective is on your side?
To anyone interested, it appears the AGU Fall Meeting is available free online. (This information may have been previously posted).

AGU On Demand
Quoting 137. PensacolaDoug:

The hate and violence always comes from the left. There's a viciousness to the left that the right cannot match.



Murder and Extremism in the United States in 2015: An Anti-Defamation League Report



Quoting 191. washingtonian115:

Well if anyone cares about my local weather report we could be seeing the coldest December days,since 2010 around here,with a high of 31 for Thursday with single digit wind chills and a high of 27 on Friday and wind chills in the negatives.It is quite a stark contrast from last December when 60's and 70's were common around here and unfortunately the precipitation will not be properly timed with this round of cold air so instead we get pitiful rain with 50's for Saturday.


I know how you feel; every time we get temps either hovering around freezing, or lows in the 20's, there is no precip within 300 miles.

Hence, no snow around here.
Quoting 178. georgevandenberghe:



I didn't think calculators were even available in 1968 for consumers. Prices of them plummetted in 1974-5 when I got my 4ops sqrt one in December and a scientific calculator Sept 1976 for college. One year older and I would have been using a slide rule. I did use the method of bisection to find roots on 4ops calculators prior to getting my sqrt one in December.




Borrowed my Dads SR-10 without asking once...Never did it again either...
198. OKsky
Quoting 195. daddyjames:




Murder and Extremism in the United States in 2015: An Anti-Defamation League Report






also note how wonderfully low those numbers are.... despite what everyone wants to think we actually live in an extremely non-violent time period.
Quoting 194. LAbonbon:

To anyone interested, it appears the AGU Fall Meeting is available free online. (This information may have been previously posted).

AGU On Demand


Thanks. Also, the latest videos from the meeting are available on their Youtube channel :
American Geophysical Union (AGU) - videos

and this image here.. the long term '78-'98 line is significantly below the visible average displayed '98-'16. this graphic by itself accounts for ~0.4C rise, and that line would be significantly lower even still for a '78-'96 average.
be real, get real... this is real whether you want it to be or not. there is So much more we can be doing collectively when we get our heads Out of the "argument" and into the discussion about how to drive our economics, what actions propel us deeper into climate instability vs the empowered decisions of acting out effective changes to energy sourcing, consumption, and distribution.
Quoting 196. nash36:



I know how you feel; every time we get temps either hovering around freezing, or lows in the 20's, there is no precip within 300 miles.

Hence, no snow around here.


Very hot here in Orlando already 85. Could get close to 90 this weekend thru next week. Not very Christmas like at all here in C & S FL.

Maybe even some pop up Showers and Thunderstorms Sunday thru next Tuesday. Very unusual weather here in FL coming later this week and into the weekend.




Heck the is forecast dewpoint to be close to our average high this weekend.
Quoting 144. cRRKampen:


Yeah, people prefer governments that randomly kill tens of thousands over a few terrorist attacks we invited in the first place.

The problem is a generation that grew up in peace cannot envisage the Elend of fascism, war and genocide and we see now they need those again.
Without me, I'll be gone to a margin on the planet and I'll be cheering y'all on. This time you will know what you are doing.


Where there is gove
Quoting 141. StormTrackerScott:



I think we are seeing the effects of people being disgusted by a democratic society. Its come to a point where people all across the Globe are fed up not just Europe and not just the US. The nail in the coughin was all these terrorist attacks and people that head all these countries continuing to lets these murders in all these countries. Just this past weekend we saw atleast 2 or 3 terrorist attacks around the Globe.


The only type of "government" that would exist in a world without terrorism, genocide and war is Anarchy. I doubt you'd want that. Communication and lack thereof will lead to conflict - always. I could offer more to this comment section of this blog - but no. You guys need a better grasp of government structures before spewing false claims about "why terrorists" do x, y, z. It's never simple to answer.

What I do know is that American policies in favor of oil production/consumption is NOT the way to go. You can get renewable energy and NOT risk wars/hate etc.

Also, burning up fossil fuels is not in anybody's interest.

The only people who really benefit from these kind of policies are those in power: people in favor of oil production. Oil is "easy" and "bigly" profits.

Renewable and Science are too hard. /s
Tomorrow,

Seeing Into Tornadoes and Hurricanes with High-Resolution Simulations
George Bryan, NCAR
IN31F-07: Insights into Tornadoes, Hurricanes from High-Resolution Simulations
9:30-9:45 a.m., Moscone West 2000

Quoting 159. StormTrackerScott:



This logic is why you guys lost the House, the Senate, and the presidency.


Yes. Because why help millions of people when you can invest in buying anti-tiger rocks. I own an anti-tiger rock, and I haven't seen a tiger anywhere in my neighborhood.

Your taking rare isolated events and blowing it up to some sort of absurd endemic threat, while diseases are a common all-to-real endemic threat that kills orders of magnitude more people. Your fear is sorely misplaced.

Quoting 159. StormTrackerScott:
I'm sorry 49 people just died here in Orlando from a horrific terrorist attack while all the signs where their with this guy we did nothing to prevent this tragedy.


Yeah, if only we had some sort of way to prevent people from getting automatic weapons and lots of ammo.

Getting back to diseases, ever see the horror of watching someone be eaten alive by cancer? Go to any child cancer ward and spend a few days there. Endless suffering until they finally succumb. And after they're gone, you have bankrupted parents trying to pay funerary costs since the treatment costs hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Quoting 159. StormTrackerScott:
This type of complacency has to stop and that is why so many voted for change. 2 biggest things that swayed votes on Election night where security and jobs.


Irrational fear, gullibility, and ignorance swayed this election. You have people justifying internment camps, people believing fake news like pizzagate, and a strong economy with the highest employment rate we've seen in a long time.
Quoting 211. Xyrus2000:



Yes. Because why help millions of people when you can invest in buying anti-tiger rocks. I own an anti-tiger rock, and I haven't seen a tiger anywhere in my neighborhood.

Your taking rare isolated events and blowing it up to some sort of absurd endemic threat, while diseases are a common all-to-real endemic threat that kills orders of magnitude more people. Your fear is sorely misplaced.



Yeah, if only we had some sort of way to prevent people from getting automatic weapons and lots of ammo.

Getting back to diseases, ever see the horror of watching someone be eaten alive by cancer? Go to any child cancer ward and spend a few days there. Endless suffering until they finally succumb. And after they're gone, you have bankrupted parents trying to pay funerary costs since the treatment costs hundreds of thousands of dollars.



Irrational fear, gullibility, and ignorance swayed this election. You have people justifying internment camps, people believing fake news like pizzagate, and a strong economy with the highest employment rate we've seen in a long time.


Hey, I'm not engaging into this anymore as I am sticking to weather and climate.
83 to 86 at all the PWS near my location. Also folks the dewpoint is in the upper 60's making it feel much warmer.
Quoting 191. washingtonian115:

Well if anyone cares about my local weather report we could be seeing the coldest December days,since 2010 around here,with a high of 31 for Thursday with single digit wind chills and a high of 27 on Friday and wind chills in the negatives.It is quite a stark contrast from last December when 60's and 70's were common around here and unfortunately the precipitation will not be properly timed with this round of cold air so instead we get pitiful rain with 50's for Saturday.


I'll trade ya! I have shoveled the walks at least 5 times in the last couple of days. We keep getting these little piffle snow showers, 1- 2 inches because of some very minor frontal boundary. It is 8.6 degrees at the (Helena) airport. AND we have a winter storm watch for a half a foot of snow or more (up to 18 inches in the mountains) for Thursday. High Friday is projected to be -3F. Low...? -22F. Hasn't been that cold here in many years.

Oh, and, on open ground, there is already about a foot of snow. Next to sidewalks it is of course higher. None of it has seen above freezing temps, so when the wind picks up with this coming storm it should get interesting.
Quoting 214. MontanaZephyr:



I'll trade ya! I have shoveled the walks at least 5 times in the last couple of days. We keep getting these little piffle snow showers, 1- 2 inches because of some very minor frontal boundary. It is 8.6 degrees at the (Helena) airport. AND we have a winter storm watch for a half a foot of snow or more (up to 18 inches in the mountains) for Thursday. High Friday is projected to be -3F. Low...? -22F. Hasn't been that cold here in many years.


Well take a little cold here in FL. It is hot outside even for FL standards because just how high the humidity is. I'm at 86 with a 70 dewpoint which is about a 91 heat index.
Quoting 211. Xyrus2000:



Yes. Because why help millions of people when you can invest in buying anti-tiger rocks. I own an anti-tiger rock, and I haven't seen a tiger anywhere in my neighborhood.

Your taking rare isolated events and blowing it up to some sort of absurd endemic threat, while diseases are a common all-to-real endemic threat that kills orders of magnitude more people. Your fear is sorely misplaced.



Yeah, if only we had some sort of way to prevent people from getting automatic weapons and lots of ammo.

Getting back to diseases, ever see the horror of watching someone be eaten alive by cancer? Go to any child cancer ward and spend a few days there. Endless suffering until they finally succumb. And after they're gone, you have bankrupted parents trying to pay funerary costs since the treatment costs hundreds of thousands of dollars.



Irrational fear, gullibility, and ignorance swayed this election. You have people justifying internment camps, people believing fake news like pizzagate, and a strong economy with the highest employment rate we've seen in a long time.


or you know mental healthcare AND educating people about warning signs that lead up to events like the Florida nightclub massacre. There were tons of warning signs and it had nothing to do with "oh he's a 'muslim'"
WMO: 19-meter wave sets new record

A World Meteorological Organization expert committee has established a new world record wave height of 19 meters (62.3 feet) measured by a buoy in the North Atlantic.

The wave was recorded by an automated buoy at 0600 UTC on 4 February 2013 in the North Atlantic ocean between Iceland and the United Kingdom (approximately 59° N, 11° W). It followed the passage of a very strong cold front, which produced winds of up to 43.8 knots (50.4 miles per hour) over the area.

The previous record of 18.275 meters (59.96 feet) was measured on 8 December 2007, also in the North Atlantic.

The WMO Commission for Climatology’s Extremes Evaluation Committee classified it as “the highest significant wave height as measured by a buoy”. The Committee consisted of scientists from Great Britain, Canada, the United States of America and Spain.

The buoy which recorded the wave is a part of the UK Met Office’s network of Marine Automatic Weather Stations. Moored and drifting buoys form a vital part of an extensive international observing network coordinated by WMO and its partners. They complement ship-based measurements and satellite observations which monitor the oceans and forecast meteorological hazards on the high seas.

“This is the first time we have ever measured a wave of 19 meters. It is a remarkable record,” said WMO Assistant Secretary-General Wenjian Zhang. “It highlights the importance of meteorological and ocean observations and forecasts to ensure the safety of the global maritime industry and to protect the lives of crew and passengers on busy shipping lanes,” he said.

“We need high quality and extensive ocean records to help in our understanding of weather/ocean interactions,” said Dr Zhang. “Despite the huge strides in satellite technology, the sustained observations and data records from moored and drifting buoys and ships still play a major role in this respect,” he said.

A separate record – that of the highest significant wave height as measured by ship observation – was measured in February 2000 in the Rockall Trough, also in the North Atlantic between the UK and Iceland.

Read more >>
219. thunk
And Donald's pick for the Energy Department is Rick "uhh...that's right I want to abolish it" Perry.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-enviro nment/wp/2016/12/13/trump-taps-former-texas-gov-ri ck-perry-to-head-energy-department-he-once-vowed-t o-abolish/?hpid=hp_rhp-top-table-main_no-name%3Aho mepage%2Fstory
I would be laughing if the entire country wasn't about to sink into fossil fuel-related stupidity.
Bill Gates says Trump has the opportunity to be like JFK

Link

Make of that what you will.

I don't know what to make of it.
Quoting 220. RunningTrauma:



Betting line on max CO2 in May? I'm going with 411 ppm.





Quoting 221. MontanaZephyr:

Bill Gates says Trump has the opportunity to be like JFK

Link

Make of that what you will.

I don't know what to make of it.


Trump met with Kanye West earlier this morning too.
Not looking forward to leaving/driving out of Florida on Saturday, and leaving this nice mild weather behind, and driving North to DC then on up to Mass for the Christmas Holiday then back down around New Years; at least I will most certainly see snow for the first time in my life and not be subject to flight delays..................We just rented the 4-wheel drive Jeep for the trip; my secretary reminded me to pack some food and warm clothes in case we swerve off the road into a ditch in a snow storm or get stranded in a 24 hour traffic jam.....I forgot about that possibility...................... 
Quoting 214. MontanaZephyr:



I'll trade ya! I have shoveled the walks at least 5 times in the last couple of days. We keep getting these little piffle snow showers, 1- 2 inches because of some very minor frontal boundary. It is 8.6 degrees at the (Helena) airport. AND we have a winter storm watch for a half a foot of snow or more (up to 18 inches in the mountains) for Thursday. High Friday is projected to be -3F. Low...? -22F. Hasn't been that cold here in many years.

Brrrr...keep it up there, please...










Quoting 219. thunk:

And Donald's pick for the Energy Department is Rick "uhh...that's right I want to abolish it" Perry.
Trump taps former Texas Gov. Rick Perry to head Energy Department he once vowed to abolish
I would be laughing if the entire country wasn't about to sink into fossil fuel-related stupidity.

"In his 2010 book, 'Fed Up!' Perry described the science showing that climate change was underway and caused by humans as a "contrived phony mess," writing that those who embraced this idea "know that we have been experiencing a cooling trend, that the complexities of the global atmosphere have often eluded the most sophisticated scientists, and that draconian policies with dire economic effects based on so-called science may not stand the test of time."
"Al Gore is a prophet all right, a false prophet of a secular carbon cult, and now even moderate Democrats aren't buying it," he added, referring to the former vice president and environmentalist. Gore met with Trump recently to discuss climate change.
Later, during the 2012 presidential campaign, he said, "There are a substantial number of scientists who have manipulated data so that they will have dollars rolling into their projects."
****
And the Dept. of Energy isn't the Dept. of Drilling Leases and Strip Mines - that's Interior.
DOE is in charge of our National Laboratories, our renewables research and our nuclear weapons programs.
The previous two Secretaries of Energy have been scientists, one a Nobel laureate physicist.
From Robbie Andrew - Center for International Climate and Environmental Research - Oslo. Atmospheric CO2 keeps climbing :

"Note : This figure will be updated weekly over the next few weeks."
Quoting 220. RunningTrauma:



Betting line on max CO2 in May? I'm going with 411 ppm.


Judging by the animation above, looks like a fair bet to me. Me, I'm going with 410 ppm (Mauna Loa, max weekly value in 2017).
Quoting 224. weathermanwannabe:

Not looking forward to leaving/driving out of Florida on Saturday, and leaving this nice mild weather behind, and driving North to DC then on up to Mass for the Christmas Holiday then back down around New Years; at least I will most certainly see snow for the first time in my life and not be subject to flight delays..................We just rented the 4-wheel drive Jeep for the trip; my secretary reminded me to pack some food and warm clothes in case we swerve off the road into a ditch in a snow storm or get stranded in a 24 hour traffic jam.....I forgot about that possibility...................... 

A blanket or two might not be a bad idea, an ice scraper, and cat litter or sand in case you get stuck. But the area you'll be driving isn't really remote, and in the age of cell phones it's not as bad as it used to be. But your admin's right - being prepared is better than not...always.

Your first time seeing snow? That's awesome :)
Quoting 184. elioe:



Most likely not. According to blog rules, the recommended action is to flag political comments, that are not in reference to science, science policy or the blog topic. And to flag any comments that quote such political comments. Let's see if it works... there might not be many comments left.


Did you not see my two post on the topic that it IS the blog topic. Sheesh.
Quoting 198. OKsky:



also note how wonderfully low those numbers are.... despite what everyone wants to think we actually live in an extremely non-violent time period.

In most of the US and the world yes. However there are exceptions.
Chicago - over 670 killings, over 3,000 wounded just this year.
Stupidity is avoidable.
Hoping the cold weather and snow shuts down the murders.
Quoting 228. LAbonbon:


A blanket or two might not be a bad idea, an ice scraper, and cat litter or sand in case you get stuck. But the area you'll be driving isn't really remote, and in the age of cell phones it's not as bad as it used to be. But your admin's right - being prepared is better than not...always.

Your first time seeing snow? That's awesome :)


I am really looking forward to this trip and seeing the snow but will drive really slow and carefully and hope that I never see black ice (which is actually invisible from what I have heard.......................Lol).........We have reservations for the new Smithsonian African American History Museum in DC on Sunday so it will be a great start to the trip.
Any thoughts on snow melt flooding the Mississippi or increasing fresh water ?
Some parts like TN have been in a drought which lowers river based drinking water quality.
DOE won't provide names of climate change staffers to Trump team

"We will be forthcoming with all publicly available information with the transition team. We will not be providing any individual names to the transition team," DOE spokesman Eben Burnham-Snyder said in an email.

Burnham-Snyder said questions from Trump's team had "left many in our workforce unsettled."

 "We are going to respect the professional and scientific integrity and independence of our employees at our labs and across our department," he said.
Quoting 224. weathermanwannabe:

Not looking forward to leaving/driving out of Florida on Saturday, and leaving this nice mild weather behind, and driving North to DC then on up to Mass for the Christmas Holiday then back down around New Years; at least I will most certainly see snow for the first time in my life and not be subject to flight delays..................We just rented the 4-wheel drive Jeep for the trip; my secretary reminded me to pack some food and warm clothes in case we swerve off the road into a ditch in a snow storm or get stranded in a 24 hour traffic jam.....I forgot about that possibility...................... 

4 wheel drive helps you go, but not stop.
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-3830717 6
Scientists are frantically copying U.S. climate data, fearing it might vanish under Trump



Personal comment (stolen from the interwebs)

Are you now, or have you ever been, a Climate Scientist?
Quoting 218. Xandra:

WMO: 19-meter wave sets new record

A World Meteorological Organization expert committee has established a new world record wave height of 19 meters (62.3 feet) measured by a buoy in the North Atlantic.

The wave was recorded by an automated buoy at 0600 UTC on 4 February 2013 in the North Atlantic ocean between Iceland and the United Kingdom (approximately 59° N, 11° W). It followed the passage of a very strong cold front, which produced winds of up to 43.8 knots (50.4 miles per hour) over the area.

The previous record of 18.275 meters (59.96 feet) was measured on 8 December 2007, also in the North Atlantic.

The WMO Commission for Climatology’s Extremes Evaluation Committee classified it as “the highest significant wave height as measured by a buoy”. The Committee consisted of scientists from Great Britain, Canada, the United States of America and Spain.

The buoy which recorded the wave is a part of the UK Met Office’s network of Marine Automatic Weather Stations. Moored and drifting buoys form a vital part of an extensive international observing network coordinated by WMO and its partners. They complement ship-based measurements and satellite observations which monitor the oceans and forecast meteorological hazards on the high seas.

“This is the first time we have ever measured a wave of 19 meters. It is a remarkable record,” said WMO Assistant Secretary-General Wenjian Zhang. “It highlights the importance of meteorological and ocean observations and forecasts to ensure the safety of the global maritime industry and to protect the lives of crew and passengers on busy shipping lanes,” he said.

“We need high quality and extensive ocean records to help in our understanding of weather/ocean interactions,” said Dr Zhang. “Despite the huge strides in satellite technology, the sustained observations and data records from moored and drifting buoys and ships still play a major role in this respect,” he said.

A separate record – that of the highest significant wave height as measured by ship observation – was measured in February 2000 in the Rockall Trough, also in the North Atlantic between the UK and Iceland.

Read more >>


Very interesting, and cant help but wish I could see/experience it. I wonder what the duration was.
It's like a recent episode of Designated Survivor; drop-save your data into a hard-drive data chip, slip it into a fake quarter, and quietly leave the building.........................
Quoting 227. 999Ai2016:

From Robbie Andrew - Center for International Climate and Environmental Research - Oslo. Atmospheric CO2 keeps climbing :

"Note : This figure will be updated weekly over the next few weeks."

Judging by the animation above, looks like a fair bet to me. Me, I'm going with 410 ppm (Mauna Loa, max weekly value in 2017).


Anyone else notice how much thicker that top 2016 band is?
Quoting 191. washingtonian115:

Well if anyone cares about my local weather report we could be seeing the coldest December days,since 2010 around here,with a high of 31 for Thursday with single digit wind chills and a high of 27 on Friday and wind chills in the negatives.It is quite a stark contrast from last December when 60's and 70's were common around here and unfortunately the precipitation will not be properly timed with this round of cold air so instead we get pitiful rain with 50's for Saturday.


I care.

Winter has only just begun, this event presents an icing opportunity (or risk) and there will be other such events before late March.

The cold late this week is notable for December here. January and the first half of February are our worst for arctic cold. But as I've said before, at least it will kill garden pests that don't normally overwinter here.
Here are the updated 11:00 am EST images of the ex-storm Vardah exiting the West Coast of India with a lower level vort signature intact;





Editorial - Through a storm, safely
The Hindu - Dec 13.
According to another article from the Hindu, "Vardah proves to be a boon for upland areas", some areas have welcomed the rain as it's helped alleviate an ongoing drought there and prevent a possible future water crisis next summer.
Also, from livemint.com, "Internet and broadband subscribers of Airtel may experience slower speed in the country as one of undersea cable of the company has been hit by the cyclone in Chennai. "Due to the severe cyclone at Chennai coast yesterday, one of our international undersea cables has been damaged and Internet traffic has been partially impacted. (...)" which reminds me that the same thing happened to Vietnam several months ago.

As it happened - Day after Cyclone Vardah, TN and Andhra limp back to normalcy
Hindustan Times - Dec 13.
(...) At least 20 people were killed in Tamil Nadu and Andhra Pradesh as the "very severe" cyclone ripped through India's southeast coast. (...) Officials said the Cyclone Vardah - meaning red rose - was the most intense storm to have hit Chennai in two decades and packed windspeed of up to 140 kmph at its peak. (...)

NASA provides two views of former Tropical Cyclone Vardah
Phys.org - Dec 13.
Quoting 199. 999Ai2016:

Thanks. Also, the latest videos from the meeting are available on their Youtube channel :
American Geophysical Union (AGU) - videos

Very useful and interesting, those videos of the press conferences, thanks for the link. Already watched some of them. There was even a journalist from a German leading newspaper near my place asking questions (about ocean heat content). Guess we're getting to read something of his insights soon :-)
Quoting 243. weathermanwannabe:

Here are the updated 11:00 am EST images of the ex-storm Vardah exiting the West Coast of India with a lower level vort signature intact ...

MIMIC shows it as well:

Click to enlarge (saved). Source.
247. elioe
Quoting 244. 999Ai2016:
NASA provides two views of former Tropical Cyclone Vardah
Phys.org - Dec 13.


" [...] On Dec. 13, India's Regional Specialized Meteorological Centre (RSMC) noted that Vardah, locally known as "Bob" [...]"

*tirsk*

Quoting 240. MontanaZephyr:



Anyone else notice how much thicker that top 2016 band is?


The thickening is an effect of El Nino. Warming causes the ocean surface to release more CO2. This will reverse
for a year or so if La Nina actually results in global SST reductions which this time remains to be seen.
Quoting 234. snotly:


4 wheel drive helps you go, but not stop.


The purpose of four wheel drive is to get you hung up in a worse spot.

(Virgina Tech rural cynic college classmate 1978)
250. bwi
Sub 950mb storms progged in the North Pacific, and then in the North Atlantic

I think the short version of this video has already been posted yesterday but the extended version is even more impressive. It is definitely one of the most dramatic tropical cyclone videos I have ever seen!



Hopefully everyone made it out of that bus without any injuries...
Quoting 224. weathermanwannabe:

Not looking forward to leaving/driving out of Florida on Saturday, and leaving this nice mild weather behind, and driving North to DC then on up to Mass for the Christmas Holiday then back down around New Years; at least I will most certainly see snow for the first time in my life and not be subject to flight delays..................We just rented the 4-wheel drive Jeep for the trip; my secretary reminded me to pack some food and warm clothes in case we swerve off the road into a ditch in a snow storm or get stranded in a 24 hour traffic jam.....I forgot about that possibility......................%uFFFD
You will enjoy the snow. Please, just don't drive too fast. 4WD will help you get through snow. Slamming on brakes causes sliding (add: on ice or) well-traveled packed snow which can have a thin layer of ice on top. Best drive at a safe speed and "tap" the brakes to slow down.

Keeping the gas tank full will help prevent condensation from forming inside the gas tank and mixing with the fuel.

And black ice... I mention this from experience. Not always but often "black ice" occurs after a warm up. The roads appear clear of ice and snow but melted ice and snow sometimes refreeze in a clear, almost invisible puddle or trickle across a roadway. Most dangerous. You might be tempted to travel at a high rate of speed on a seemingly clear road, and, - well, you understand physics - hit that ice driving fast, chances are you spin and then you roll. So take care, especially at night.

Merry Christmas, etc. Have a great trip and be safe!
Quoting 227. 999Ai2016:

From Robbie Andrew - Center for International Climate and Environmental Research - Oslo. Atmospheric CO2 keeps climbing :

"Note : This figure will be updated weekly over the next few weeks."

Judging by the animation above, looks like a fair bet to me. Me, I'm going with 410 ppm (Mauna Loa, max weekly value in 2017).


412 ppm.

I believe the increase in recent global temperatures will further reduce the absorption of CO2 by the oceans.

This is one of the "overlooked" issues. Even if humanity flatlines it's CO2 production, the inexorable march of temperatures upward will still have CO2 levels climbing as the carbon sinks either saturate or lose their absorption capabilities. Also, the increases in methane will directly contribute to atmospheric CO2 concentrations as UV light decomposes methane into CO2 and water.
"... gentle eloquence." Nice descriptive words. Enticing. Memoirs of Bob Simpson sounds like a good read for this "weather enthusiast." Would be especially interested in reading his "reflections on how his spiritual and scientific paths interrelated..." At the end of his life, Einstein also wrote of spiritual existence. I like a mix of science and humanity. But then, I've always favored reading autobiography over fiction.
Just watched another of these AGU press conferences in San Francisco from today, concerning the "New Arctic". This video has a lot of impressive photos from this expedition in winter 2015. The second presentation is very much weather related, speaking of an unusual wavy jetstream pattern which caused fierced storms and transported a lot of warmth into the Arctic (looking at current weather patterns, this sounds very familiar!). The third presentation shows in a frightening way how quick the thin ice is melting under these conditions.



FM16 Press Conference: First results from the Norwegian Young Sea ICE Expedition, American Geophysical Union (AGU) 13.12.2016:
In the winter of 2015, an ice-bound Norwegian research vessel drifted with the shrinking Arctic ice for half a year while an international team of 70 scientists worked to better understand the effects of rising temperatures and changing Arctic sea ice. It was the first wintertime Arctic Sea ice experiment to study the thinner ice pack, owing in part to the challenges of the extreme Arctic environment: very low temperatures, dangerous ice conditions and nearby polar bears. Three scientists report on the findings from the experiment, and its implications.

Edit (but we know of this already):
Hottest Arctic on record triggers massive ice melt
PhysOrg, December 13, 2016
The Arctic shattered heat records in the past year, as unusually warm air triggered massive melting of ice and snow and a late fall freeze, US government scientists said Tuesday....
A lot of scientists from the 19th and 20th Century have written good books or memoirs later in their lives/careers not on the issue of science per se but on the issue of the human condition and how we should respect life, and each other, as they reflect on what it really important in life in spite of advances in science; they have all realized that the actual scientific breakthroughs are not the most important thing but how we use the information and knowledge to help man and shape our future..............That is a reason why listening to the current batch of science on climate change issues is so important and not to be disregarded or discarded.
Quoting 257. luvtogolf:



While Kanye is not nor will never be on my Christmas card list, please explain the difference when Hillary was seen just about daily with the brilliant minds of Katie Perry and Miley Cyrus? There is none. It goes both ways and by your comment you want it just your way.


Well, Clinton wasn't also meeting celebrities while also complaining about how she didn't HAVE TIME to do the minor unimportant things related to her job, like, I don't know, explaining how you're dealing with the complex web of conflicts of interest, or hiring qualified people into your leadership team, or keeping up with the latest global developments such as rising threats to American security...

Just a minor difference, really. Small detail. Trivial.
Quoting 257. luvtogolf:



While Kanye is not nor will never be on my Christmas card list, please explain the difference when Hillary was seen just about daily with the brilliant minds of Katie Perry and Miley Cyrus? There is none. It goes both ways and by your comment you want it just your way.
Of course, Trump hasn't held a press conference since July--you know, the one where he publicly invited Russia to hack the Democratic Party--and said just yesterday that he was so busy doing Important Presidenty Things that he had to cancel the long-planned press conference set for this week. Just a bit later, he's seen openly prancing through Trump Tower with Mr. Kardashian, clearly swamped with those Important Presidenty Things.

Goes both ways, huh? Riiiight...
Quoting 262. Neapolitan:

Of course, Trump hasn't held a press conference since July--you know, the one where he publicly invited Russia to hack the Democratic Party--and said just yesterday that he was so busy doing Important Presidenty Things that he had to cancel the long-planned press conference set for this week. Just a bit later, he's seen openly prancing through Trump Tower with Mr. Kardashian, clearly swamped with those Important Presidenty Things.

Goes both ways, huh? Riiiight...


Lol. You are a hoot!!
Quoting 255. Xyrus2000:


412 ppm.

I believe the increase in recent global temperatures will further reduce the absorption of CO2 by the oceans.

This is one of the "overlooked" issues. Even if humanity flatlines it's CO2 production, the inexorable march of temperatures upward will still have CO2 levels climbing as the carbon sinks either saturate or lose their absorption capabilities. Also, the increases in methane will directly contribute to atmospheric CO2 concentrations as UV light decomposes methane into CO2 and water.

Spot on... Why do you always have to keep it real ? I was just trying to see things the Paris way, you know rose(green)-tinted glasses and stuff... ;-)
...
I am personally giving up on a possible regeneration from the remnants of Vardah unless the models fed into the TCFP pages see something over the next few days (zilch at the moment) but you have to admit that the "ghost" is still there after night has fallen in that region today:



keeping track of the sup'er that plans to paddle from morocco to florida. he is near the canary islands. there is a storm brewing so he plans to throw out his sea anchor and wait the storm out before entering the island chain.
Another thing I've learned today when watching some of the current AGU press conferences is the fact that a lot of the landmass of Antarctica, still covered by very thick layers of ice, is actually very much below current sea level (it was said in this video about measurements of ocean heat content at 17''). For the first time I really understand how deep waters from a warming ocean can melt those glaciers from beneath, doh. Guess most of you already know it (sorry then for me being stupid), but in case not, here are the maps from wikipedia:


Subglacial topography and bathymetry of bedrock underlying Antarctica ice sheet


The above map shows the subglacial topography of Antarctica. As indicated by the scale on left-hand side, blue represents portion of Antarctica lying below sea level. The other colours indicate Antarctic bedrock lying above sea level.
268. elioe
There's nothing new in my local weather to report. But I found that our national climate change website has got some new tools. Now, modelling of many changing parameters is available with a municipality-scale resolution. Here's observed (blue) and modelled (red, orange, green) December average temperatures for Tampere.



Emissions scenario for red line is A2, resulting in 870 ppm of carbon dioxide by end of this century. I think a figure in that vicinity is very likely. They don't say what models they are using. But, as models generally tend to underestimate, what is happening in the Arctic, I'd say that the 6 degrees Celsius of warming for the rest of century is too small. I expect something like 10 degrees C.
Permafrost melt, and the related release of Methane, is probably one of the reasons we are seeing the Arctic region warm at such a fast rate that will only probably accelerate:

"When we started measurements it was -8C, but now it's coming to almost -2.5 on the Arctic coast. It is unbelievable - that's the temperature we should have here in central Alaska around Fairbanks but not there," he told BBC News.

In Alaska, the warming of the permafrost has been linked to trees toppling, roads buckling and the development of sinkholes.

Prof Romanovsky says that the current evidence indicates that in parts of Alaska, around Prudhoe Bay on the North Slope, the permafrost will not just warm up but will thaw by about 2070-80.

"It was assumed it would be stable for this century but it seems that's not true any more," he told BBC News.

Permafrost



270. bwi
Quoting 258. barbamz:

Just watched another of these AGU press conferences in San Francisco from today, concerning the "New Arctic". This video has a lot of impressive photos from this expedition in winter 2015. The second presentation is very much weather related, speaking of an unusual wavy jetstream pattern which caused fierced storms and transported a lot of warmth into the Arctic (looking at current weather patterns, this sounds very familiar!). The third presentation shows in a frightening way how quick the thin ice is melting under these conditions.



FM16 Press Conference: First results from the Norwegian Young Sea ICE Expedition, American Geophysical Union (AGU) 13.12.2016:
In the winter of 2015, an ice-bound Norwegian research vessel drifted with the shrinking Arctic ice for half a year while an international team of 70 scientists worked to better understand the effects of rising temperatures and changing Arctic sea ice. It was the first wintertime Arctic Sea ice experiment to study the thinner ice pack, owing in part to the challenges of the extreme Arctic environment: very low temperatures, dangerous ice conditions and nearby polar bears. Three scientists report on the findings from the experiment, and its implications.


Some more material from that release:

A cool video

Fact Sheet
The Atmosphere
• For the first time, N-ICE2015 researchers directly observed large winter storms over sea ice and saw that they
have significant effects on the young, thinner ice. The high winds create a lot of stress on the sea ice by pushing it
around and breaking it up.
• One winter storm raised the air temperature from -40 F to +32 F in less than 48 hours, while the moisture in the air
increased 10 times. All of these factors significantly warm the surface of the snow, even in mid-winter, and slow
the growth of ice.
The Sea Ice and Snow Cover
• Researchers on the drifting ice camps found more snow on top of the ice than expected. This insulated the ice
from the atmosphere, slowing its growth in winter and surface melt in summer.
• The sea ice was sometimes flooded by seawater as the large snow load pushed the thinner ice below sea level.
• The thinner sea ice was more dynamic than researchers have seen before. This could mean more ridging but also
more cracks and leads between ice floes.
The Ocean
• Winter storms caused the sea ice to drift so fast that it increased mixing of the water beneath the ice. Deeper,
warmer water was mixed up closer to the sea ice, causing it to melt from below despite winter air temperatures
that were below freezing.
• Researchers saw summer storms stir up deep warm waters and melt as much as 25 cm of ice in a single day.
The Ecosystem
• For the first time, N-ICE2015 researchers observed an algae bloom under snow-covered pack ice. Thinner and
more dynamic Arctic sea ice allows more light transmission to the ocean, especially through cracks and leads.
This triggers earlier phytoplankton blooms under the snow-covered ice.
• The phytoplankton species that dominated the under-ice bloom does not sink to the deep ocean. Such shifts in
phytoplankton species composition, associated with early under-ice phytoplankton blooms, could thus have
important implications for the strength of the biological carbon pump in the Arctic.
And one last article from today on a presentation at the SF Conference and glacial melt in the Himalayas (documented with unclassified spy satt pics from the past few decades)............................

Scientists used images taken more recently by Nasa as a comparison

Among the spy images are pictures of the Himalayas, an area for which historical data is scarce. By comparing them with more recent satellite imagery from Nasa and Jaxa (Japanese Space Agency) scientists have been able to see how the region has changed.

“What we are trying to do is to quantify by exactly how much are the glaciers retreating, how much ice are they losing and at what rate,” said Josh Maurer.

“So we’ve used the images to extract 3D models of the terrain back in the 1970s.

“We can see the height of the glacier ice in 1973, and we take those elevation models, and can take the difference between those and the modern day elevation models, and we can work out how the ice volume is changing over time.”

The researchers have found that the extent of the ice loss has been great.

“At every point on the glacier surface across the whole of the Himalayas a quarter of a metre of water is being lost each year,” said Mr Maurer.

“I wouldn’t say it’s surprising given the climate data we have, but it is very very interesting to see how much ice is lost.

“And populations downstream where they depend on these water resources are going to be affected.

Quoting 224. weathermanwannabe:

Not looking forward to leaving/driving out of Florida on Saturday, and leaving this nice mild weather behind, and driving North to DC then on up to Mass for the Christmas Holiday then back down around New Years; at least I will most certainly see snow for the first time in my life and not be subject to flight delays..................We just rented the 4-wheel drive Jeep for the trip; my secretary reminded me to pack some food and warm clothes in case we swerve off the road into a ditch in a snow storm or get stranded in a 24 hour traffic jam.....I forgot about that possibility......................%uFFFD


Should you have enough snowpack build an igloo while on your visit. Being a lifelong Floridian you should ask for help from the natives. :) I always enjoyed building them growing up as a kid in the midwest.



Winter Storm Decima to Bring a Cross-Country Mess of Snow and Ice to the West, Midwest and Northeast Into the Weekend
Link


274. bwi
I know the dynamics of Arctic and Antarctic sea ice are very different (for example, Antarctica almost melts completely out every summer, so there's little to no multi-year sea ice), but this chart still weirds me out.
Looks like forecasters are upping rainfall totals for Thur-Fri storm......let's hope so!

The first 2017 Atlantic hurricane season forecast has been released by TSR. They are forecasting a near normal season with 14 named storms, 6 hurricanes, and 3 major hurricanes; however, December forecasts don't generally mean very much since there isn't a definitive answer on the ENSO state for 2017-18 at this time.
Quoting 259. weathermanwannabe:

A lot of scientists from the 19th and 20th Century have written good books or memoirs later in their lives/careers not on the issue of science per se but on the issue of the human condition and how we should respect life, and each other, as they reflect on what it really important in life in spite of advances in science; they have all realized that the actual scientific breakthroughs are not the most important thing but how we use the information and knowledge to help man and shape our future..............That is a reason why listening to the current batch of science on climate change issues is so important and not to be disregarded or discarded.
True. Albert Einstein and others found themselves in a moral pickle over nuclear science. Yes, the actions relative to the science are most important. Climate change affects every human, and every ecologic and economic system on the planet. Any movement, any cracks or cuts, any piece of pie removed and any ala mode added carry consequence.

When it comes to economics, I think of developing nations who are now players in the world market. Will the world try to deny them the economic growth that means a higher standard of living?. INDIA, producing and exporting huge amounts of textiles now, just as China did early in its surge toward industrialization. NIGERIA, has produced oil for decades but now, agricultural exports? Yes. And with expert assistance. If you read the label on your next (cardboard) can of Planter's cashews, you may be surprised to see where the nuts are grown. All over the world. Maybe they always were grown all over the world and the labels have changed to protect the innocent or meet some new US government rule. I don't know. Walmart brand organic peanut butter contains peanuts, sea salt, unrefined sugar, and organic palm oil from worldwide providers.

The crux is this. The effects of the application of the present state of science must be considered and figured before actions are taken, not after. That, and everyone on the planet's got to be involved. Not just people whose simple solution is to bring down "big oil," "big ag," or big anything that uses fossil fuel energy.

Case in point, I was thinking the other day, and what got me thinking was an article in an OK energy news publication, which I tried to locate online but cannot. The article was about increased (mostly agricultural) river barge traffic using the Arkansas River Navigation System to (edit) Port of Catoosa (Tulsa). The amount of greenhouse gas emission barge transport saved over semi-trucking was huge. That saved over rail transport, not as much but still impressive.

My thought was, "Ground the jets."

Mass transportation in the U.S. Fix it. Build better railroad systems, riverboats, mass transportation more attractive and accessible with boats and trains. Can't we eliminate air travel in favor of land and sea travel? Yeah, you couldn't get from Los Angeles to NY, NY in just a few hours, but I say, "So what? Get over it! Do your part for the world!" The Exploding Technology Age has given us cheap, instant communication worldwide. What do we need with jet travel? If they must happen in person, instead of on a private jet make business dealings happen in a luxurious private car tied into a line of rail cars being pulled by train engines hauling people or grain or whatever. There's literally tons of rail going to waste in this country. The rails that are good are freight rails.

Humans live at a faster and faster pace. Why not take a break when you travel? Can we ground airplanes, put people to work building boats and trains instead of planes?

This train of thought (NPI) caused me to wonder whether anyone had ever studied the feasibility, not just from the human inconvenience POV but also from the scientific POV. I wondered, if it were feasible, how much could we cut CO2 and other greenhouse gas emission by grounding jets and using more boats and trains? I haven't yet found an answer.
From ThinkProgress:

EPA admits that fracking can contaminate drinking water

Good thing so many people in Trump’s cabinet have ties to the fracking industries.


Fracking water needs a closer look, EPA says. CREDIT: AP Photo/Brennan Linsley

The Environmental Protection Agency has concluded that hydraulic fracturing (fracking) can affect drinking water.
In light of the facts that tap water near some fracking wells has become flammable, that two families in Pennsylvania last year won a court case over the impacts of fracking on their water, and that scientists have found arsenic in water sources near fracking, the EPA’s announcement Tuesday should not come as a surprise.

But it does, since just 18 months ago, a draft version of the EPA’s fracking report said that the EPA “did not find evidence that these mechanisms have led to widespread, systemic impacts on drinking water resources in the United States.”

Environmentalists applauded the finalized report, which they say is a more accurate representation of the science and data behind fracking.

“EPA’s report confirms what experts and the science show: that fracking operations put our drinking water at risk,” said Rachel Richardson, director of Environment America’s Stop Drilling Program. “That families from Colorado to Pennsylvania have had their water contaminated from fracking should be evidence enough, but today’s report confirms: fracking puts our water at risk.”

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Everyone have a safe weather evening and will check back in the am. Here are the highs for tomorrow across Conus. No surprise as to some of the bitter cold in the Northern tier of the US but a bit surprising with the very warm temps for December across the Southern tier. A partial function of the current jet flow but it also illustrates how left-over summer-fall SST warmth from the E-Pac and Gulf (and a partial result of the El Nino warming in the Pacific) can still bring a very warm flow, in the middle of December, when the winds are out of the SW:

Graphic Forecast of Temperatures Across the US from the National Digital Forecast Database



Quoting 257. luvtogolf:



While Kanye is not nor will never be on my Christmas card list, please explain the difference when Hillary was seen just about daily with the brilliant minds of Katie Perry and Miley Cyrus? There is none. It goes both ways and by your comment you want it just your way.


The difference is Hillary was campaigning, both candidates met with celebrities who campaigned for them.

I can't think of a single good reason to take a meeting with Kanye West right now when Trump claims to be too busy.
281. MahFL
Quoting 208. StormTrackerScott:



Very hot here in Orlando already 85...


Was 81F here in Orange Park.
282. elioe
Quoting 277. Barefootontherocks:



Not sure about the CO2 part (ain't most railways in USA unelectrified?), but at least those railways couldn't attract the passengers currently using air travel. Unless all air travel was outlawed. But I've done some calculations, with huge uncertainties, of course. They showed that a maglev system connecting many major cities would be feasible, and it would cause essentially all air travellers between those cities (as well as sizeable portion of car users) to change to this new method of transportation. At least total (operational) CO2 emissions would get reduced somewhat anyway, but the exact amount would depend on method of electricity generation.
Quoting 280. pipelines:



The difference is Hillary was campaigning, both candidates met with celebrities who campaigned for them.

I can't think of a single good reason to take a meeting with Kanye West right now when Trump claims to be too busy.
doing a new power video shoot chump will be the main star kanye will be director
And they are very proud of that claim.
Quoting 280. pipelines:



The difference is Hillary was campaigning, both candidates met with celebrities who campaigned for them.

I can't think of a single good reason to take a meeting with Kanye West right now when Trump claims to be too busy.


The internet is great sometimes if you are trying to connect the dots......................

April 6, 2015 - 10:10am, by Giorgi Lomsadze 

Kim Kardashian, the US celebrity who conquered the Internet, and Russia’s Vladimir Putin, who conquered Crimea, will be among the VIPs to visit Armenia this month for the 100th anniversary of the mass slaughter of ethnic Armenians in Ottoman Turkey.

TV star Kardashian, her rapper husband Kanye West and much of her Armenian-American clan are headed this week to the tiny South Caucasus country that is the Kardashians’ paternal homeland, celebrity-news site X17 reported on April 4. The trip will be filmed for E!’s “Keeping Up with the Kardashians” television show.

Already, she has begun her preparations.

From The Washington Post:

The Arctic just had its warmest year on record ‘by far,’ scientists report

The Arctic saw the warmest temperatures ever recorded in 2016, according to an annual report released Tuesday by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

Air temperatures were 2 degrees Celsius — 3.6 degrees Fahrenheit — higher than their 1981-to-2010 average in the months between October 2015 and September of 2016, a time period that coincided with a strong El Nino event, NOAA reported. According to the agency, since 1900, temperatures have risen even than that in the Arctic: 3.5 degrees C (6.3 degrees F). All of this means temperatures in the region continue to climb at double the rate of the planet as a whole.

“The average surface temperature in the Arctic from January until September of 2016 was by far the highest we’ve observed since 1900,” said Jeremy Mathis, who directs NOAA’s Arctic Research Program. “And this is a critical point, there were record temperature highs set in January, February, October, and November of 2016.”

“The story in the Arctic has been warming in the summertime, you have this big loss of sea ice in the summer….but now we’re seeing temperature records being shattered in the wintertime,” Mathis continued. “And so we’re seeing that this persistent heat is now staying around year round. The fact that we’re breaking temperature records on the warm side in the winter months is what’s really indicating that these trends are what’s here to stay.”



The report, which is peer reviewed for its statements up through September, included a special non-peer reviewed addendum to cover the months of October and November of 2016 — perhaps because they were so extraordinary, featuring record low levels of Arctic sea ice heading into deep winter. (The Artic is the region of the planet north of 60 degrees latitude.) Here, the document noted the “record breaking delay in the freeze up of the sea cover in Fall 2016 is associated with unprecedented warm air and ocean surface temperatures.”

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A certain forecaster on wxbell kept shouting "a December to remember" for the north east and Mid-Atlantic on twitter and so far it has been rather seasonable and nothing has stood out or have been memorable this month.I will probably only remember this upcoming Thursday and Friday for the temperatures that we will feel those two days as it is remarkable cold for this time of year.Other wise back to your average scheduled December weather.
Trump taps Rep. Ryan Zinke for Interior, adds another climate denier to the cabinet

Zinke’s nomination could be great news for big fossil fuel interests.

Quoting 284. Sfloridacat5:

And they are very proud of that claim.


I would be proud if I lived in Tulsa.
Sydney weather: Overnight temperature may be record high for December, BOM says

Sydneysiders tossed and turned through sweltering temperatures last night, with a Bureau of Meteorology (BOM) senior forecaster saying it may have been the city's hottest ever December night.

At 4:00am, the mercury was sitting at 27.7 degrees Celsius(81.86F), the BOM said.

The record for the hottest December night in Sydney was set in 1868 (148 years ago), when an average of 26.3C(79.34F) across the night was recorded.

"The minimum of 27C would have to be right up there, no doubt about that," Craig Bourke from the BOM said.

But city dwellers will not swelter for long, with two successive days of heat cooling down with some late rain.

"Today will start as another scorcher, but there is a 60 per cent chance of rain and winds from the south, south-east in the afternoon should bring temperature back to the low twenties tomorrow," Mr Bourke said.

The BOM will confirm later this morning whether the record was broken.

@9am 32.8C/91.04F

Confirmation of record being broken.
291. N3EG
Quoting 267. barbamz:

Another thing I've learned today when watching some of the current AGU press conferences is the fact that a lot of the landmass of Antarctica, still covered by very thick layers of ice, is actually very much below current sea level>


I wonder how much and how fast it rebounds, or if it even does, when the ice is gone.
Quoting 285. weathermanwannabe:



The internet is great sometimes if you are trying to connect the dots
guerrilla archiving event in effect

Quoting 282. elioe:



Not sure about the CO2 part (ain't most railways in USA unelectrified?), but at least those railways couldn't attract the passengers currently using air travel. Unless all air travel was outlawed. But I've done some calculations, with huge uncertainties, of course. They showed that a maglev system connecting many major cities would be feasible, and it would cause essentially all air travellers between those cities (as well as sizeable portion of car users) to change to this new method of transportation. At least total (operational) CO2 emissions would get reduced somewhat anyway, but the exact amount would depend on method of electricity generation.
Not a lot of passenger rail here any more outside of metro areas. I am only familiar with the US west coast where some metro transport, rail and bus, is electric. US passengers trains run by Amtrak use freight tracks which make the passenger trains largely inconvenient. Passenger cap[ability would have to be enlarged and upgraded to handle anywhere near the amount of cross-country traffic planes handle now. Yeah, people wouldn't like giving up their planes. Rail would have to be convenient and run on time.

Just from the comparison between semi-truck transport and raiI I saw in that energy magazine article, seems like a significant fossil fuel decrease/ greenhouse gas emission reduction can happen without going electric - initially anyway. Probable, possible, even likely a good reduction can be gained (is that an oxymoron?) by increasing capacity for freight rail over trucking. Seems like a "studier" would have to know how much jet fuel is used and what the current emission level is before even trying to look at alternative transportation feasibility. That's the kind of study I'd love to see. Really, how much does worldwide jet travel contribute to atmospheric CO2? Then, if alternative transportation proved a great savings of CO2 and other emission, yes, gradually passenger planes would go by the bye, becoming outlaws, victims of fate as it were. That would take a few generations, maybe. At least two.

Alternative energy is not yet out of the starting blocks in terms of its potential. The power of computers today over 20 years ago is just amazing, which brings me hope and faith that humans can eventually get off fossil fuel. Well, they'll have to someday, planned or not. I don't know how it might work, but I wonder if solar and hydrogen cells can power boats and trains. Perhaps it will be an as yet unthought of, undiscovered fuel or drive system someone brainy and young puts together. The changeover will happen. When and how remains to be seen.
Quoting 291. N3EG:



I wonder how much and how fast it rebounds, or if it even does, when the ice is gone.
no with sea level rise the rebound will create great reefs and dragon flies the size of bald eagles
Quoting 251. Carnivorous:

I think the short version of this video has already been posted yesterday but the extended version is even more impressive. It is definitely one of the most dramatic tropical cyclone videos I have ever seen!



Hopefully everyone made it out of that bus without any injuries...


Oh my gosh, that is insane. This is a good video to show to people who have considering driving around in a hurricane.
Quoting 284. Sfloridacat5:

And they are very proud of that claim.

As you may know, there's lots of oil history in Oklahoma. Did you ever see the old film called Tulsa? Stars Susan Hayward, Hollywood drama but it depicts pretty well the history behind the Cherokee, the ranchers and the oilmen who collided in NE OK not long after the turn of the 20th century.

Best oil story on film Ive ever seen, though, is Edna Ferber's Giant. Jimmy Dean, Elizabeth Taylor, Rock Hudson. A Texas oil story, again with historic value.

Then there's John Wayne's movie where he blew up rogue wells that were burning. The film's name is not coming to me.

No question, oil and gas changed the world.
Then there's John Wayne's movie where he blew up rogue wells that were burning. The film's name is not coming to me.

Hellfighters
Quoting 280. pipelines:



The difference is Hillary was campaigning, both candidates met with celebrities who campaigned for them.

I can't think of a single good reason to take a meeting with Kanye West right now when Trump claims to be too busy.


If she won Katie Perry would be hanging with her all the time. You know, a direct line of communication with the president elect. Your blinders are on.
Quoting 296. Barefootontherocks:

No question, oil and gas changed the world.
it will end the world as we know it as well trust me


faster faster
Quoting 288. Xandra:

Trump taps Rep. Ryan Zinke for Interior, adds another climate denier to the cabinet

Zinke’s nomination could be great news for big fossil fuel interests.




“If climate change denial is going to be the official position of the Trump White House, then relentless resistance will be the official position of the American people,” Greenpeace climate campaign specialist Diana Best said in an emailed statement."

Nice.
16th-century UFOs: Celestial Phenomenon Over Nuremberg, Germany April 14th, 1561 Click image to expand. I asked barbamz if she can read it.

Quoting 301. luvtogolf:



So let's which celebrities visited obama in the whitehouse:

Taylor swift, george lucas, tiger woods, 0prah winfrey, shaquille oneal, angelina jolie and brad pitt (wow, that must have been an important meeting), bobby flay, sarah jessica parker, eva longoria, ryan reynolds and blake lively, justi bieber (you have got to be kidding me), kendrick lamar (isn't he a rapper like west?), steven spielberg, george clooney (he visited 3 times).

Is that enough? I would do your research before making fools of yourself. You can't have it just your way.....
You really are on a roll with the profound statements. They seem sort of off-topic, though, unfortunately. Hard to see the connection to weather-related Christmas shopping. :-)
Quoting 303. CaneFreeCR:

You really are on a roll with the profound statements. They seem sort of off-topic, though, unfortunately. Hard to see the connection to weather-related Christmas shopping. :-)



Interesting that you choose to comment to me but not the ones I responded to who criticized Trump for meeting with west. They weren't off topic?
Quoting 299. KEEPEROFTHEGATE:

it will end the world as we know it as well trust me


faster faster
Mankind did not create oil but s/he did create the demand for it.

Science brought us there. Engineering, medicine, psych-psychology, biology, chemistry, physics - you name it - any branch of science that increased mankind's knowledge of how to stay alive. Not to mention his knowledge of how to make television sets, rockets and satellites for every possible use and misuse.

Today, I have tried to make an argument toward mankind doing something, but not "even if it's wrong." I'm saying take a good long look, not just at the science card but at the whole house of cards before pulling one off the bottom that could bring the whole house down. Yes, maybe the cards will all fall down on their own one day. Let's just not get so worked up we jump off the train into what may be a worse sewer.
Quoting 297. SunnyDaysFla:

Then there's John Wayne's movie where he blew up rogue wells that were burning. The film's name is not coming to me.

Hellfighters
Yes! Hellfighters at imdb Wow. I did not know Andrew McLaglen directed that film. Interesting. And we're not far off topic in a blog on "Book and Movie Reviews." ;) Thank you.
Our first chance of wintry weather may be heading our way this Friday night into Saturday...
The forecast discussion is great and comical too...

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Area forecast discussion
National Weather Service Greenville-Spartanburg SC
708 PM EST Tue Dec 13 2016

Synopsis...
a cold front crosses the area tonight with strong Canadian high
pressure moving in after. This high will build over the area through
the work week and drop temperatures below normal. A moist cold front
is expected to push into the area Sunday.

&&

Near term /through Wednesday/...
as of 700 PM EST tuesday: an obs outage across the region has led
to a fairly interesting early evening. Manually dialing into said
obs has revealed a wide array of visb ranges across the region due
a very moist/decoupled pbl, reinforced by continued weak upglide
induced shra/dz. Thus, updated the fcst by lowering visb mainly
along/south of the i85 corridor where visbs as low as 1/2-3sm
are possible. Not seeing enough concentration of 1/4sm visb to
warrant issuance of dfa at this time, however will continue to
connect manually with sites and will issue one if needed at a
later time. Otherwise, the aforementioned light shra continues
to work across the region as a reinforcing cold front pushes into
the NC high terrain at this time. Pops were tweaked a bit to
better align with recent radar returns. T/TD trends through late
evening/overnight were also adjusted per latest consshort blend.
No other sig changes made at this time.

Previous discussion: the axis of a very broad upper level trough
will shift east from the MS valley to the Appalachians by the end
of the near term. This will bring a cold front in from the west
late tonight. Until the front arrives, there is persistent moist
isentropic lift on the 285-290 k surfaces. This will keep plenty
of cloud cover and spotty sprinkles and drizzle around thru this
evening. Temps are nearly steady in the 40s to mid 50s across
the County warning forecast area.

As the front pushes thru, there may be some westerly upslope
showers overnight, but otherwise, drizzle and light rain showers
east of the mountains should taper off by midnight for the most
part. Temps are expected to fall into the 30s to mid 40s.

Wednesday, there will be a dry westerly flow behind the cold front,
resulting in a dry forecast. Cold air advection looks fairly weak, but guidance
shows plenty of mid and upper level moisture which may result in a
thick cirrus shield thru the day, keeping temps in check. Highs are
forecast to range in the 40s mountains to lower-mid 50s Piedmont,
which is close to normal.

&&

Short term /Wednesday night through Friday/...
as of 230 PM EST tuesday: the short term is really very quiet as
we're in a transitional period with cold high pressure beginning to
dam into the region and ahead of the next front. We begin the short
term with the longwave trough axis stretched from the Great Lakes to
the Appalachians, with a reinforcing shortwave crossing the area
ushering in some super cold deep-layer cold air advection. Sort of redundant to say
cold cold air advection I suppose (like quantitative precipitation forecast forecast and pin number?)
But it
underscores the point as the Arctic high pressure over the northern
plains begins to ridge our way.
Overnight lows Wednesday
night/Thursday morning will be 10-15 degrees colder than what we'll
see tonight, and with winds picking up across the higher elevations
with the strong flow aloft, wind chills at the highest peaks
especially in the northern mountains will be flirting with -10
degrees. We don't issue wind chill products for anything about 5kft
but for anyone way up there, it'll be really cold. With full sun,
we'll see some recovery on Thursday but it's really all relative
with the strong northwest flow aloft, and again expect a 24-hr
temperature change of 10-15 degrees (and in some places even
colder), with highs Thursday at least 10 degrees below seasonal
normals.
Quoting 302. BaltimoreBrian:

16th-century UFOs: Celestial Phenomenon Over Nuremberg, Germany April 14th, 1561 I asked barbamz if she can read it.

Lol, I can, Brian, although it's a quite old fashioned German and would consume some time to do a proper transcription and translation. Thankfully the link you've posted already provides a translation, and wikipedia has more about it to boot:
1561 celestial phenomenon over Nuremberg

As it is very late in old Europe: Good night, folks!
Quoting 296. Barefootontherocks:

As you may know, there's lots of oil history in Oklahoma. Did you ever see the old film called Tulsa? Stars Susan Hayward, Hollywood drama but it depicts pretty well the history behind the Cherokee, the ranchers and the oilmen who collided in NE OK not long after the turn of the 20th century.

Best oil story on film Ive ever seen, though, is Edna Ferber's Giant. Jimmy Dean, Elizabeth Taylor, Rock Hudson. A Texas oil story, again with historic value.

Then there's John Wayne's movie where he blew up rogue wells that were burning. The film's name is not coming to me.

No question, oil and gas changed the world.

Here in Austin we are just the "live music capitol of the world"..... Doesn't have the same ring as "the oil capitol of the world."
Yeah barbamz, I should have read the link--I usually do. I'm feeling very tired. In fact, I think I'm getting sick. Haven't been sick in a very long time.
Sitting in Vegas at the Airport..awaiting flight to San Fran.


AGU bound.

Skoal'

313. elioe
Quoting 312. Patrap:



Santa Francisco?
Quoting 218. Xandra:

a href="http://public.wmo.int/en/media/press-release /19-meter-wave-sets-new-record" target="_blank"


What about the surfing waves at Nazaré, Portugal, 23.4 m?
Is it Hollywood movie night, or are we going to be forced to talk about the weather?

By the way, Brian. I read old German. That was almost identical to the Fraktur script in which we were taught. Very few young Germans read the old script well. Most do not even know the old Suetterlin handwriting which was taught as late as the 1940's.
316. vis0
Way off topic  yet posting  so its recorded publicly (more read this blog even if comment is removed than a comment on my or most other blogs)

Anyone saw those low flying military planes over NYC today Dec 13th 2016?

They said it was a military exercise.

want my reasoning? no  Well its here as in time history will show the real (criminal reason).

weather? zip10016?  Cold becoming colder interesting watching zonal (W-E) flows somewhat powering up as if m eridional (digging n-S) as i watch GoMx fuel try to inject into the Zonal.
317. vis0
Quoting 311. BaltimoreBrian:

FLUIDS!!!!!!!!
drink as if you had an IV in... need saline try a simple chicken soup low salt Yeah barbamz, I should have read the link--I usually do. I'm feeling very tired. In fact, I think I'm getting sick. Haven't been sick in a very long time.
301. go away
Admin:

Has the ignore button stopped working?  On Firefox - no scripts or ads blocked.

Yeah snow! Got the skis out and did 6k in the field the last 2 evenings. 22° tonight here in Acme WA, finished my laps by moonlight.

My back yard.
That looks like a Christmas card, but looks very, very COLD...
Oh, you bet ya..
Hmmm? Cat1?
See video above!

Quoting 295. Jedkins01:



Oh my gosh, that is insane. This is a good video to show to people who have considering driving around in a hurricane.
Here in the Willamette Valley we're expecting snow starting Wednesday morning and continuing possibly into the weekend. The heaviest snow will be later in the day Wednesday and overnight with a 3 or 4 inch accumulation possible, up to 6 inches in some places. Snow is relatively rare in the WV, some years none at all, some years maybe 2 or 3 snowfall episodes and rarely more than 6 or 8 inches deep. I don't expect this storm will cause major disruption, just the fender benders you get when you mix in people who don't drive on snow enough to be skilled at it.
Hmmmm? Cat1?????

Quoting 251. Carnivorous:

I think the short version of this video has already been posted yesterday but the extended version is even more impressive. It is definitely one of the most dramatic tropical cyclone videos I have ever seen!



Hopefully everyone made it out of that bus without any injuries...
Quoting 267. barbamz:

Another thing I've learned today when watching some of the current AGU press conferences is the fact that a lot of the landmass of Antarctica, still covered by very thick layers of ice, is actually very much below current sea level (it was said in this video about measurements of ocean heat content at 17''). For the first time I really understand how deep waters from a warming ocean can melt those glaciers from beneath, doh. Guess most of you already know it (sorry then for me being stupid), but in case not, here are the maps from wikipedia:


Subglacial topography and bathymetry of bedrock underlying Antarctica ice sheet


The above map shows the subglacial topography of Antarctica. As indicated by the scale on left-hand side, blue represents portion of Antarctica lying below sea level. The other colours indicate Antarctic bedrock lying above sea level.

Lying above CURRENT sea level? If all the ice in Antarctica melted, there would be much less of it than this map shows above sea level.
Quoting 322. PedleyCA:

Oh, you bet ya..



Wow, big difference in temp, 20° at my house, only about 10-12 miles from Sudden Valley where its 27°, that station is on the west (bay side) of 3500' Stuart Mtn. I'm on the East (mountain) side. We get more Frazier river outflow (cold air from Canada) here as well, Sudden Valley is protected by hills to the NE. Lots of micro climates here in Washington.
Quoting 326. BayFog:
Lying above CURRENT sea level? If all the ice in Antarctica melted, there would be much less of it than this map shows above sea level.
I saw 200 ft sea level rise cited for melting all Antarctic ice. Not sure how much that would flood the land. The maps from Wikimedia don't have the vertical resolution.
Quoting 326. BayFog:


Lying above CURRENT sea level? If all the ice in Antarctica melted, there would be much less of it than this map shows above sea level.


Quoting 328. bappit:

I saw 200 ft sea level rise cited for melting all Antarctic ice. Not sure how much that would flood the land. The maps from Wikimedia don't have the vertical resolution.

The answer is surprising.

If all the ice in Antarctica suddenly melted into the ocean, sea level around Antarctica would go down by several hundred feet and even more land would be exposed, not less. That's because the huge mass of land-based ice above sea level had been exerting a gravitational attraction on the surrounding ocean, enough to draw up a bulge of water all around the continent. That bulge goes away as the ice melts.

Jerry Mitrovica was the first to work this out. A good basic review is here:

Why Our Intuition About Sea-Level Rise Is Wrong
A geologist explains that climate change is not just about a global average sea rise.


And there's a slower response as a suddenly-deglaciated Antarctica slowly rebounds upwards but there are counter-intuitive aspects to that process as well.
Go away? Just keeping it fair and balanced.
Quoting 314. ChiThom:


What about the surfing waves at Nazaré, Portugal, 23.4 m?

The new record is the highest significant wave height measured by a buoy

The highest significant wave height measured by a ship observation measured 29.05 meters (95.03 ft) and occurred in the North Atlantic in February 2000.

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WMO’s Global Weather & Climate Extremes Archive

td 4f a threat to fiji.
Trump questionnaire recalls dark history of ideology-driven science
Paul N. Edwards, University of Michigan

For me, as a historian of science and technology, the questionnaire – bluntly characterized by one DoE official as a “hit list” – is starkly reminiscent of the worst excesses of ideology-driven science, seen everywhere from the U.S. Red Scare of the 1950s to the Soviet and Nazi regimes of the 1930s.

Link
@329. no1der: Thanks for the link. Very interesting!

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Why Scientists Are Trying To Save US Federal Climate Data Before Trump Assumes Office
14 December 2016, 7:21 am EST By Ted Ranosa Tech Times

Quite the same article in German in one of our leading newspapers today:
Klimaforscher bringen massenhaft Daten in Sicherheit
FAZ, 14.12.2016

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Is Donald Trump pushing more scientists towards political activism?
Researchers are reaching out to the US president-elect with science advice - and criticism.
Nature, Emma Marris, 13 December 2016


Mapping the Speed of Ice
NASA Earth Observatory, December 14, 2016
Good Morning Folks; very active Winter weather today across the Northern and Northwest tier of Conus courtesy of a very strong Polar Jet:







hope the new orbiting satellites are built to last. new fancy tv i bought three yrs ago is already faltering.
That huge Canadian mid-to-upper level low helping to drive everything like a conveyor belt; actually, this uniform straight-line flow of the Polar Jet is how it should look most of time in the Winter (until the bumps and kinks arrive in between):




Quoting 299. KEEPEROFTHEGATE:

it will end the world as we know it as well trust me


faster faster


340. MahFL
Quoting 336. weathermanwannabe:

Good Morning Folks; very active Winter weather today across the Northern and Northwest tier of Conus courtesy of a very strong Polar Jet:







Boring in the south though....front here fizzled out, and no 32F yet.
Quoting 340. MahFL:



Boring in the south though....front here fizzled out, and no 32F yet.


I am thinking that we are going to see less and less freezing days in the South in December in the coming decades between AGW, shorter Winters,and warmer SST's in the E-Pac and Gomex in the Fall and Winter.


Graphic Forecast of Temperatures Across the US from the National Digital Forecast Database

342. MahFL
Quoting 337. islander101010:

hope the new orbiting satellites are built to last. new fancy tv i bought three yrs ago is already faltering.


GEOS 13 has been on orbit for 10 years. They build them well, but of course they cost a lot of TAX PAYERS money, some people in this world are always complaining about tax payers money being spent....pfft....
And Florida is virtual "toast" in the future between shorter-term warmer temps and longer term sea level rise.....As I noted a few weeks ago, recent Winters have become so mild in most of Florida that it is no longer funny and very obvious. Record warm SST's in recent years in the waters around Florida and the Bahamas are probably a contributing factor but this more "island" tropical climate will also have some challenges in terms of plants and invasive animal and insect species as their ranges and habitats expand which will impact agriculture in the State................Just noting that I know that Oranges needs a little bit of cold to make them sweet............................................. .........
Quoting 342. MahFL:



GEOS 13 has been on orbit for 10 years. They build them well, but of course they cost a lot of TAX PAYERS money, some people in this world are always complaining about tax payers money being spent....pfft....
I really cannot think of much better things to spend my money on. So much better than endless wars.


“standing room only”

AGU Arctic Report Card 2016
346. MahFL
Quoting 344. SouthTampa:

I really cannot think of much better things to spend my money on. So much better than endless wars.


Your money ?
However, Florida can make up some economic ground with warmer Winters in terms of tourism from colder places................ :)


February is one of the busiest months of the year on Florida beaches. Many people crave a winter escape from the cold North, so they head to the balmy South. Florida boasts tropical temperatures for most of the year, although cold spells do strike during the winter. Some parts of the Sunshine State are warmer than others, making certain Florida beaches more inviting for a February vacation.

Although the air stays warm on Florida beaches during the winter months, the water tends to cool off a bit. February water temperatures in the Atlantic Ocean are warmest at Miami Beach, where the average is roughly 73 degrees. On the western Gulf Coast, the warmest water can be found in Key West, where the temperature hovers around 70 degrees during February.
Quoting 346. MahFL:



Your money ?

When 'taxpayers' pops up anywhere I do much the same thing. Said 'tax payers' are talking about MY money and usually, they may go (read: the boot).
Quoting 346. MahFL:



Your money ?
Yeah, MY MONEY. I pay taxes, so in part, it's mine too.
350. MahFL
Quoting 349. SouthTampa:

Yeah, MY MONEY. I pay taxes, so in part, it's mine too.


Well one way of looking at taxes is if like most people you pay as you earn, taxes are never yours, they always belong to the government ( central and local ). The money is never on your net paycheck.
Got a book review for I Survived Joplin Tornado, 2011.

This is a great one for your tornado chasing young boy to teenager..mine gave it 5 stars. It's from the perspective of an 11 year old boy. Has some great deep thoughts and torn preteen emotions around this event and his older brother serving as a NAVY SEAL. The details of the storm is accurate. The characters are fictional but built on real people and experiences of the day.
This is from July of 2015, but still found it to be a very interesting read. Some good information in here in understanding just how climate change will continue to be an accelerating problem.

How much will sea levels rise by the end of the century?




"Recent observations find sea level tracking at the upper range of IPCC projections. The semi-empirical and kinematic methods provide independent confirmation that the IPCC underestimate sea level rise by around a factor of 3. There are growing indications that sea level rise by the end of this century will approach or exceed 1 meter."

SOURCE: Skeptical Science

It is interesting that the B1 scenario is for about 550 ppm concentration by 2100, A1B scenario accounts for a 700 ppm concentration, while A2 would be at 850 ppm and would likely be a low estimate for the continuation of Trump's ideology mindset for the next 80 years.



SOURCE: Research Gate
Trump adviser compares climate change research to belief Earth is flat

transition team executive committee member Anthony Scaramucci on CNN's 'New Day' Wednesday morning.
Scaramucci suggested that climate change and humans' impact on it remains an open question within the scientific community but was corrected by anchor Chris Cuomo, who pointed out that it is the "overwhelming consensus" of climate scientists that human activity is warming the planet. Scaramucci contended that "we did a lot of things wrong in the scientific community," comparing researched climate change findings to the centuries-old belief that the world was flat.

******
"we" ???!! 
Quoting 350. MahFL:



Well one way of looking at taxes is if like most people you pay as you earn, taxes are never yours, they always belong to the government ( central and local ). The money is never on your net paycheck.
Seriously? If you want to be pedantic about the issue, then, sure, since I pay taxes as I earn, and never actually put the money in my account. However, this doesn't make it any less "mine" than if I elect max deductions and pay at the end of the year. It really doesn't matter the manner in which it's paid. ...

Back to my original point, before we got sidetracked by nuiances of who's money it is (It is MINE and every taxpayers'): The best way to spend it is, IMO, on constructive activities, not destructive ones.
Quoting 301. luvtogolf:



So let's which celebrities visited obama in the whitehouse:

Taylor swift, george lucas, tiger woods, 0prah winfrey, shaquille oneal, angelina jolie and brad pitt (wow, that must have been an important meeting), bobby flay, sarah jessica parker, eva longoria, ryan reynolds and blake lively, justi bieber (you have got to be kidding me), kendrick lamar (isn't he a rapper like west?), steven spielberg, george clooney (he visited 3 times).

Is that enough? I would do your research before making fools of yourself. You can't have it just your way.....


That was a response to your original statement about Hillary meeting with celebrities during the campaign. I'm sorry I shot down your response, but maybe YOU should have done a little more research, or at least a little more critical thinking, before making that statement.

I never said Obama, or any other president for that matter, never met with celebrities. That would be an ignorant statement indeed if I had made it but alas, I actually thought out my comment and did not make that statement.

My only problem with Trump meeting with Kanye is that he claimed to be "too busy" to tell us what the heck he's doing with his businesses before he's formally elected, yet he seems to have plenty of time to have a pointless meeting with West, not to mention his ego tour.
Quoting 257. luvtogolf:



While Kanye is not nor will never be on my Christmas card list, please explain the difference when Hillary was seen just about daily with the brilliant minds of Katie Perry and Miley Cyrus? There is none. It goes both ways and by your comment you want it just your way.

You mean this Katy Perry: "Katheryn Elizabeth Hudson was born in Santa Barbara, California, to Pentecostal pastors Mary Christine (née Perry) and Maurice Keith Hudson. Growing up, Perry and her siblings were not allowed to eat Lucky Charms as the term "luck" reminded their mother of Lucifer, and had to call deviled eggs "angeled eggs".[11] Perry primarily listened to gospel music, as secular music was generally discouraged in the family's home. She discovered popular music through CDs she sneaked from her friends. While not strictly identifying as religious, Perry has stated, "I pray all the time – for self-control, for humility."After singing in church during her childhood, she pursued a career in gospel music as a teenager."

I guess something happened to make her THINK.
Quoting 353. no1der:

Trump adviser compares climate change research to belief Earth is flat

transition team executive committee member Anthony Scaramucci on CNN's 'New Day' Wednesday morning.
Scaramucci suggested that climate change and humans' impact on it remains an open question within the scientific community but was corrected by anchor Chris Cuomo, who pointed out that it is the "overwhelming consensus" of climate scientists that human activity is warming the planet. Scaramucci contended that "we did a lot of things wrong in the scientific community," comparing researched climate change findings to the centuries-old belief that the world was flat.

******
"we" ???!! 


I've heard this argument from the right on countless occasions. "If scientists were wrong even one time in the last two thousand years, they're probably wrong this time". It makes no logical sense. Has a doctor ever misdiagnosed cancer? Sure, but I'm willing to bet these people would take their doctor very seriously if he diagnosed them with cancer. Trump is doing the same thing with the CIA now, just absurd.
Quoting 350. MahFL:



Well one way of looking at taxes is if like most people you pay as you earn, taxes are never yours, they always belong to the government ( central and local ). The money is never on your net paycheck.

Strictly speaking we should also - per democracy - say 'MY government'. It is fortunately not per se a given that govts are extortionists.
Quoting 357. pipelines:



I've heard this argument from the right on countless occasions. "If scientists were wrong even one time in the last two thousand years, they're probably wrong this time". It makes no logical sense. Has a doctor ever misdiagnosed cancer? Sure, but I'm willing to bet these people would take their doctor very seriously if he diagnosed them with cancer. Trump is doing the same thing with the CIA now, just absurd.


?? If the CIA thought the Russian Hacking was true and severe then why in the hell didn't they do anything about it when for months everyday there were e-mails being leaked from John Podesta's account? Its funny they pose this after the election is over and Trump has won. It seems to me that the left is doing everything they can to de legitimize Trumps victory. On November 17th you had the FBI come out and say that they couldn't prove that the Russians were behind the hack and that no way shape or form did the hacking determine the outcome of the election.

My thing is if they knew this was a serious concern then why did the White House let this go one for several months? My guess is they felt it would have no impact on the election and that no matter what Hillary was going to win. The White House should take responsibility on this as they should have corrected this back in August.
I mean NOAA was hacked, NASA, was hacked and I could go on. Where was Obama when all this hacking was occurring the last several years? If he truly cared about getting Hillary elected then he would have put a stop to this nonsense months ago instead no one did a damm thing until it was too late.
Drought strikes centuries-old California oaks

This helps explain why the most water-stressed blue oaks produced such tiny leaves, says Dawson. "When you have your stomata closed, and you can't fix carbon in photosynthesis, how can you grow a leaf?"
Scarier yet, "every one of those trees with the tiny leaves is now dead," says Dawson. This establishes miniscule leaves as an indicator of impending blue oak doom. "When they show a leaf size change, you can say you're going to lose those plants, they're not going to be able to come back. It's too late for those trees."
Many of the trees that died were big, old behemoths more than 250 years in age. "They'd seen droughts before. But nothing like this," Dawson says. Tree ring work by other researchers indicates this drought was the most severe to hit California in at least 600 years.



Read more at: Link
Quoting 361. RobertWC:

Drought strikes centuries-old California oaks

This helps explain why the most water-stressed blue oaks produced such tiny leaves, says Dawson. "When you have your stomata closed, and you can't fix carbon in photosynthesis, how can you grow a leaf?"
Scarier yet, "every one of those trees with the tiny leaves is now dead," says Dawson. This establishes miniscule leaves as an indicator of impending blue oak doom. "When they show a leaf size change, you can say you're going to lose those plants, they're not going to be able to come back. It's too late for those trees."
Many of the trees that died were big, old behemoths more than 250 years in age. "They'd seen droughts before. But nothing like this," Dawson says. Tree ring work by other researchers indicates this drought was the most severe to hit California in at least 600 years.



Read more at: Link


High Winter heat the last several years is also causing the Orange industry to suffer across Central FL as temps just aren't getting as cold as they used to lets say back in the 80's and 90's. Last December and December 2016 are some of the warmest December's we've ever experienced.

Orange growers count on some decent cold to give the oranges some sweetness. Too much heat causes them to taste sour.
Quoting 353. no1der:

Trump adviser compares climate change research to belief Earth is flat

transition team executive committee member Anthony Scaramucci on CNN's 'New Day' Wednesday morning.
Scaramucci suggested that climate change and humans' impact on it remains an open question within the scientific community but was corrected by anchor Chris Cuomo, who pointed out that it is the "overwhelming consensus" of climate scientists that human activity is warming the planet. Scaramucci contended that "we did a lot of things wrong in the scientific community," comparing researched climate change findings to the centuries-old belief that the world was flat.

******
"we" ???!!

Good morning. The link links back to the blog...checked it twice, and got two different blogs...I've got absolutely no explanation for that :/

Apparently Scaramucci doesn't realize the circumfrence of the earth was calculated 2200 years ago by Eratosthenes, and that many were aware the earth was not flat.

Comparing scientists to flat earthers is beyond the pale.
The environment has steadily declined since scientists started doing the annual report card, now in its 11th year, co-author Donald Perovich said.
"When it started, you kind of had to listen closely because the Arctic was whispering change," said Perovich, who works at Dartmouth College's Thayer School of Engineering in New Hampshire.
"Now it is not whispering anymore. It is speaking change. It is shouting change."



Read more at: Link
Re: RobertWC's Comment 339 -- my version of Pandora: Link
Quoting 359. StormTrackerScott:



?? If the CIA thought the Russian Hacking was true and severe then why in the hell didn't they do anything about it when for months everyday there were e-mails being leaked from John Podesta's account? Its funny they pose this after the election is over and Trump has won. It seems to me that the left is doing everything they can to de legitimize Trumps victory. On November 17th you had the FBI come out and say that they couldn't prove that the Russians were behind the hack and that no way shape or form did the hacking determine the outcome of the election.

My thing is if they knew this was a serious concern then why did the White House let this go one for several months? My guess is they felt it would have no impact on the election and that no matter what Hillary was going to win. The White House should take responsibility on this as they should have corrected this back in August.


what are you talking about? This was well discussed before the election. Did you forget the debate where Hillary brought up the Russian hacking reported by several American intelligence agencies and Trump just pushed it off like it was a report from the National Enquirer? The Russian hacking has been a known issue for months, the only reason it was brought up again is because now the CIA knows their motive, and it was to get Trump elected. Your argument is the same one that I've heard from several conservatives (it must have been said on Fox News is my guess) and it confuses me, did all of you guys forget the conversations that were had back in October about this? The argument is really nonsensical, I think what all you guys are trying to do is distract from the fact that the Russians helped get your guy elected, many of Trump's voters were unknowingly manipulated by the Russian efforts, and deep down this really bothers you (as it should).

But you don't have to take my word for it that this was discussed at length before the election, luckily there are literally thousands of news articles out there that support my statements.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/12/us/politics/oba ma-russia-hack-election.html
Quoting 359. StormTrackerScott:



?? If the CIA thought the Russian Hacking was true and severe then why in the hell didn't they do anything about it when for months everyday there were e-mails being leaked from John Podesta's account? Its funny they pose this after the election is over and Trump has won. It seems to me that the left is doing everything they can to de legitimize Trumps victory. On November 17th you had the FBI come out and say that they couldn't prove that the Russians were behind the hack and that no way shape or form did the hacking determine the outcome of the election.

My thing is if they knew this was a serious concern then why did the White House let this go one for several months? My guess is they felt it would have no impact on the election and that no matter what Hillary was going to win. The White House should take responsibility on this as they should have corrected this back in August.


Spot on Scott.
Quoting 366. pipelines:


brdid all of you guys forget the conversations that were had back in October about this?

Selective memory is just part of the whole alt-truth movement foisted upon us by these wackos. It's a crime of omission (contrasted to Pizzagate, which is a crime of comission).
Thunder ice snow squall...or something like that...

Quoting 353. no1der:

Trump adviser compares climate change research to belief Earth is flat

transition team executive committee member Anthony Scaramucci on CNN's 'New Day' Wednesday morning.
Scaramucci suggested that climate change and humans' impact on it remains an open question within the scientific community but was corrected by anchor Chris Cuomo, who pointed out that it is the "overwhelming consensus" of climate scientists that human activity is warming the planet. Scaramucci contended that "we did a lot of things wrong in the scientific community," comparing researched climate change findings to the centuries-old belief that the world was flat.

******
"we" ???!! 


Link is bad, article can be found here.

This article is really more about the energy plans including both extract energy here to become quickly energy dependent so military can be utilized more sustainability or efficiently. While converting to lesser polluting sources. Like a have your cake, eat it too..

"The president-elect is a very common sense oriented guy and basically what he said is if we reduce carbon emissions, the air is going to get cleaner. That's a positive thing whether you believe in climate change or not,” transition team executive committee member Anthony Scaramucci said on CNN’s “New Day” Wednesday morning.

What Trump also wants, Scaramucci continued, is energy independence for the U.S., which would allow the country’s “geopolitical footprint” to change, altering national security and the use of the military.

“Of course it's a genuine commitment to clean air and clean water, Chris, whether you accept the science or not,” Scaramucci said. “It's better for the United States and better for the world to have the U.S. be energy independent. Have us have clean air and clean water and protect the environment for future generations of Americans. All of that makes sense.”


The flat earth part reminds me of a conversation I had with an old family friend the other night. He's a snow-bird from Alaska that originally came from Romania. He was going on about he, like my grandfather had forever thought the world was flat and global warming wasn't real. The three of us use to debate about this and after all these years he was conceding to the argument. He said a big part of understanding for him was the example of how a ship appears on the horizon, blew his mind. He said you have to realize the sort of education of days long ago.

Quoting 363. LAbonbon:


Good morning. The link links back to the blog...checked it twice, and got two different blogs...I've got absolutely no explanation for that :/

Apparently Scaramucci doesn't realize the circumfrence of the earth was calculated 2200 years ago by Eratosthenes, and that many were aware the earth was not flat.

Comparing scientists to flat earthers is beyond the pale.
Thanks, link is now fixed. Another casualty of re-editing a post that has any formatting - sometimes links blow up too.
Yes the flat-earth thing... that used to be taught in school as part of the fairy-tale version of Columbus. It's just wrong.
Along with the obligatory NDA and non-disparagement agreements, do Trump's people have to get their sense of irony surgically removed before entering service?
Quoting 367. luvtogolf:



Spot on Scott.


I mean really where was Obama. I just can't stand lets blame Trump for everything when Trump wasn't even the president at the time. This hacking is serious business but in reality it could be anyone and who's to say it isn't some disgruntled person in the US doing it. It all comes down to Obama didn't do anything about it and now he all the sudden cares because Hillary won the election? Fact he did nothing thinking it wasn't a big deal now all the sudden it is a month before Trump gets sworn in.
JeffMasters has created a new entry.
Quoting 359. StormTrackerScott:



?? If the CIA thought the Russian Hacking was true and severe then why in the hell didn't they do anything about it when for months everyday there were e-mails being leaked from John Podesta's account?


Because, as they've said on several occasions, they didn't want to affect the election (unlike Comey). The alt-blighters would have screamed bloody murder and conspiracies if the CIA had gotten involved. Not to mention that there was little they could have done anyway, since the hacks had already happened.

Your belief that hacks were happening everyday is incorrect. The hacks happened once, and docs gained from that hack were released over time.

Quoting 359. StormTrackerScott:
Its funny they pose this after the election is over and Trump has won.


Trump was already making ridiculous claims about the vote being rigged. Now the CIA comes along and says that Russia is attempting to undermine the election by helping Trump. What would you have honestly said?

A) Oh, that's a scary thought. The CIA should really investigate this.
B) Hillary controls the CIA and this is all a plot to discredit Trump.

I'm going to take a wild guess here and say it's B.

Quoting 359. StormTrackerScott:
It seems to me that the left is doing everything they can to de legitimize Trumps victory. On November 17th you had the FBI come out and say that they couldn't prove that the Russians were behind the hack and that no way shape or form did the hacking determine the outcome of the election.


The FBI? Now there's an unbiased organization. That aside, they can and have. What they couldn't prove was that it was directed by the Kremlin. That's a different ball of wax and where the CIA comes in.

Quoting 359. StormTrackerScott:


My thing is if they knew this was a serious concern then why did the White House let this go one for several months? My guess is they felt it would have no impact on the election and that no matter what Hillary was going to win. The White House should take responsibility on this as they should have corrected this back in August.


The White House took the correct course of action. Back in August they had some information on the hacks and where they came from, but state intent was circumstantial. You go public with that and the alt-blight Bannonites would have had conspiratorial field day.

What you seem to be missing here Scott is that government agencies, as a general policy, are not supposed to influence elections. Around election time, they have a tendency to clam up short of major serious revelations. The CIA kept their mouth shut because they didn't want to cause an unsubstantiated crap storm in a major election. The FBI didn't keep their mouth shut, and decided to stir up a completely unsubstantiated crap storm a week before the election. One of these groups acted responsibly. The other did not.

But believe what you want. You're going to anyway.
i think its time to list the positive things about climate change, so lets make a list and see what sparkles....

1. shorter shipping route across north america.

2. less people moving to florida, we got enuff already. they can stay where they live cause its warmer.

3. less pollution from excessive heating in the winter.

4. longer growing season in parts of the world.

5. easy to drill for oil with less ice in the northern latitudes

6. humans like to live by the water but the fear of rising waters and storms could start a migration to underutilized inland areas.

7. I'm sure theres a million more you guys can add but thats all that comes to mind now.
Quoting 372. StormTrackerScott:

This hacking is serious business but in reality it could be anyone and who's to say it isn't some disgruntled person in the US doing it.
It's not "anyone", and it's not "some disgruntled person in the US". It's Russian hackers. Period. The only US involvement, if there was any, was a few members of Trump's team, and an unwitting James Comey.
Quoting 372. StormTrackerScott:

It all comes down to Obama didn't do anything about it and now he all the sudden cares because Hillary won the election?
Thanks for being honest in noting that Hillary won the election, having gained nearly three million more votes than Trump. However, Trump may be the EV winner; we'll find out soon enough. But it certainly sticks in his craw that he's so widely despised by the majority of voters.
Quoting 375. Tampa969mlb:

i think its time to list the positive things about climate change, so lets make a list and see what sparkles....

1. shorter shipping route across north america.

2. less people moving to florida, we got enuff already. they can stay where they live cause its warmer.

3. less pollution from excessive heating in the winter.

4. longer growing season in parts of the world.

5. easy to drill for oil with less ice in the northern latitudes

6. humans like to live by the water but the fear of rising waters and storms could start a migration to underutilized inland areas.

7. I'm sure theres a million more you guys can add but thats all that comes to mind now.
i think its time to list the positive things about terminal lung cancer, so lets make a list and see what sparkles....

1. You'll lose a lot of weight loss without resorting to extreme diets or going to the gym every day.

2. You'll *finally* be able to kick that three-packs-a-day smoking habit!

3. Your kids will be able to collect and spend your life insurance money in only a few short months.

4. Your wife will soon be free to begin an exciting new dating life now that you'll gone.

5. It's fun to spend your last few weeks on earth saying goodbye to old friends one last time, and thinking about all the wonderful things that they'll say about you at your eulogy.

6. You no longer have to worry about not filing last year's tax return.

7. You've always wondered what the inside of a hospice looks like.

8. I'm sure theres a million more you guys can add but thats all that comes to mind now.
Politics & Global Warming, November 2016

Key Findings
Drawing on a nationally representative survey (n=1,226; including 1,061 registered voters) conducted soon after the 2016 election, this report describes how American registered voters view a variety of current and proposed global warming and clean energy policies. Key findings include:

Global Warming Policies

Seven in ten registered voters (69%) say the U.S. should participate in the international agreement to limit climate change (the Paris COP21 agreement), compared with only 13% who say the U.S. should not.
Two-thirds of registered voters (66%) say the U.S. should reduce its greenhouse gas emissions, regardless of what other countries do.
A majority of registered voters want President-elect Trump (62%) and Congress (63%) to do more to address global warming.
A majority of registered voters say corporations and industry should do more to address global warming (72% of all registered voters; 87% of Democrats, 66% of Independents, and 53% of Republicans).
Nearly eight out of ten registered voters (78%) support taxing global warming pollution, regulating it, or using both approaches, while only one in ten opposes these approaches.
If Congress passes a fossil fuel tax, the most popular uses of the revenue are developing clean energy (solar, wind), improving America’s infrastructure, assisting workers in the coal industry who may lose their jobs as a result of the tax, and paying down the national debt.
Seven in ten registered voters (70%) support setting strict carbon dioxide emission limits on existing coal-fired power plants to reduce global warming and improve public health, even if the cost of electricity to consumers and companies would likely increase – a core component of the EPA’s Clean Power Plan. Democrats (85%), Independents (62%) and Republicans (52%) all support setting strict limits on these emissions.
Two in three registered voters (66%) support requiring fossil fuel companies to pay a carbon tax and using the money to reduce other taxes (such as income tax) by an equal amount – a plan often referred to as a “revenue neutral carbon tax.” 81% of Democrats, 60% of Independents, and 49% of Republicans support this policy.
A large majority of registered voters say the Federal government should prepare for the impacts of global warming, prioritizing impacts on public water supplies (76%), agriculture (75%), people’s health (74%), and the electricity system (71%).


Link
Very sad to read about the scientific and political situation going on with Donald Trump and his cabinet. It's quite funny how a lot of his supporters rallied behind him as he was for the working class and wanted to make America "great again". Now it looks like the economics of the US will be heavily invested into banking, business and the oil industry. Three things that are generally not for the working class unless regulated well.

It'll be interesting to see how things unfold over my lifetime. I'm only 22 and have a feeling there's a lot of big and scary things yet to come in regards to the climate. Hopefully governments won't delay investment into greener energies and let oil continue to rule the world.

And just one point. I read a post on here saying that trump wants to make America energy independent. Energy indepedence is quite easily obtained through renewable energy if you put the investment into it. In the long run it's a lot cheaper, environmentally friendly and doesn't have ill effects on people's health. I have all my fingers, toes, arms and legs crossed that many countries will only use renewable energy in the near future.

The UK government is on track with it targets regarding renewable energy and new investment in batteries as part of energy infrastructure should help with storing and using electricity from renewable sources. In 2010 only ~7% of energy generated was from renewable sources. Now that's over 20% and on track to be 30% by 2020.

So whilst Donald's presidency is a scary thing, just remember that many countries are making progress bit by bit and I hope the US will somehow manage to as well. In fact the US has installed record amounts of solar power over the last year and it looks like, with solar power becoming ever cheaper, it'll continue to be installed on a large scale. :)
Quoting 310. hotroddan:


Here in Austin we are just the "live music capitol of the world"..... Doesn't have the same ring as "the oil capitol of the world."
Tulsa may have been close to being "oil capital of the world" in the first half of the 20th century, but not now. There are some interesting remnants of the early 20th century oil boom era accessible to the public, like Philbrook Museum of Art, housed in the former Tulsa "villa" of oilman and philanthropist Waite Phillips. The country home of his brother, Frank Phillips co-founder of Phillips Petroleum with a third brother, L.E., is now a wildlife preserve and a museum of Western art - Woolaroc. The highway that maybe epitomizes the rising demand for oil in the US, Route 66, is alive and well in Oklahoma, though. :) Many intact pieces of Route 66 and its mid-century buildings, including some that are now museums, remain in existence from NE OK at Miami through western OK at Elk City.
Quoting 376. Neapolitan:

It's not "anyone", and it's not "some disgruntled person in the US". It's Russian hackers. Period. The only US involvement, if there was any, was a few members of Trump's team, and an unwitting James Comey.Thanks for being honest in noting that Hillary won the election, having gained nearly three million more votes than Trump. However, Trump may be the EV winner; we'll find out soon enough. But it certainly sticks in his craw that he's so widely despised by the majority of voters.


Cmon Nea, I thought you were smarter than that. Using the she won "more votes" comment. You do realize that there was a very distinct and calculated strategy for Trump to win the election? Right? Even Clinton said that the only way that Trump can win the election is to win the key states. Now, Trump is a smart guy. Right? He took her advice and went to those key states and kicked her butt! Thank you very much Mrs. Clinton for the tip. Have a nice life! Now if Trump wanted to use your strategy and win the popular vote then he would have spent all of his time in California and New York, had huge rallies, garnished a few million votes, won the popular vote and subsequently lost the election. Which strategy is better - yours winning the "popular vote" or Trump's winning the Presidency. Seems like a no brainer to me.
Quoting 379. Envoirment:

Very sad to read about the scientific and political situation going on with Donald Trump and his cabinet. It's quite funny how a lot of his supporters rallied behind him as he was for the working class and wanted to make America "great again". Now it looks like the economics of the US will be heavily invested into banking, business and the oil industry. Three things that are generally not for the working class unless regulated well.

It'll be interesting to see how things unfold over my lifetime. I'm only 22 and have a feeling there's a lot of big and scary things yet to come in regards to the climate. Hopefully governments won't delay investment into greener energies and let oil continue to rule the world.

And just one point. I read a post on here saying that trump wants to make America energy independent. Energy indepedence is quite easily obtained through renewable energy if you put the investment into it. In the long run it's a lot cheaper, environmentally friendly and doesn't have ill effects on people's health. I have all my fingers, toes, arms and legs crossed that many countries will only use renewable energy in the near future.

The UK government is on track with it targets regarding renewable energy and new investment in batteries as part of energy infrastructure should help with storing and using electricity from renewable sources. In 2010 only ~7% of energy generated was from renewable sources. Now that's over 20% and on track to be 30% by 2020.

So whilst Donald's presidency is a scary thing, just remember that many countries are making progress bit by bit and I hope the US will somehow manage to as well. In fact the US has installed record amounts of solar power over the last year and it looks like, with solar power becoming ever cheaper, it'll continue to be installed on a large scale. :)



Lets see what actually happens first. I'd say "don't count the chickens before they are hatched"
Yes its looking like "The Purge - Election Year" to quote a movie title but let him have a few weeks in office to see what changes happen in May 2017
I wish weather stations where not so expensive. To have a good one for $30 or $40 would be great.
Quoting 383. TechnoCaveman:
I wish weather stations where not so expensive. To have a good one for $30 or $40 would be great.


The good ones are made in America, maybe you can find a cheap Chinese one.

(filed under "have your cake and eat it too")
Just finished up at the AGU Legal Symposium here in San Francisco. Dr. Manns words and the legalities around the UVA crazed E-mail thing was a great lesson.

I added to the end with few words on How Dr. Ivor Han Heerden won His suit against LSU and the COrps of engineers when His data showed what happened here during Katrina.

I think I got my point across without too many werds.

Was a great lil time here..

Now to tour the exhibit Hall, which is HUGELY,the Biggest..its Bigly.

We're gonna make Science Great again.


I may even cut my Hair as the flowers keep getting stuck in it.

: P



No wall too.