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14 billion-dollar weather disasters for the U.S. in 2011

By: Dr. Jeff Masters, 3:28 PM GMT on January 26, 2012

The tally of billion-dollar weather disasters in the U.S. during the crazy weather year of 2011 has grown to fourteen, and may reach fifteen, NOAA's National Climatic Data Center announced last week. The fourteen billion-dollar weather disasters in 2011 easily surpass the previous record of nine such disasters, set in 2008. Since 1980, the U.S. has averaged 3.5 billion-dollar weather disasters per year. The two new billion-dollar disasters of 2011:

Tropical Storm Lee, early September, 2011: Wind and flood damage across the southeast (LA, MS, AL, GA, TN) but considerably more damage from record flooding across the northeast (PA, NY, NJ, CT, VA, MD). Pennsylvania and New York were most affected. Total losses exceed $1.0 billion; 21 deaths.

Rockies and Midwest Severe Weather, July 10-14, 2011: An outbreak of tornadoes, hail, and high wind caused damage east of the Rockies and across the central plains (CO, WY, IA, IL, MI, MN, OH). Total losses exceed $1.0 billion; 2 deaths.

The total costs of these fourteen disasters is $55 billion, tying 2011 with 2004 for fourth place for most costly year for billion-dollar weather disasters in history. The only costlier years were 2005 (Hurricanes Katrina, Rita, and Wilma); 1988 (Midwest drought); and 2008 (Hurricanes Ike and Gustav.) NCDC says they are still analyzing the late-October snowstorm that hit New England to see if it was a billion dollar disaster. Insurance broker AON Benfield puts damages from this event at $3 billion, so it is likely that NCDC will add at least one more billion-dollar disaster to 2011's tally.

For those interested, NOAA has a full description of the 14 billion-dollar weather disasters of 2011, plus a list of their Top Ten Global Weather Events of 2011 and Top Ten U.S. Weather Events of 2011.


Figure 1. Front Street Bridge on the Susquehanna River in Vestal, NY, immediately following the flood of September 8, 2011, caused by the remnants of Tropical Storm Lee. Image credit: USGS, New York.

My other posts looking back at the remarkable weather events of 2011
Extreme temperatures of 2011: 7 national all-time heat records; 1 cold record
U.S. weather in 2011: unprecedented rains and wet/dry extremes
Top ten global weather events of 2011
2011: Year of the Tornado
Deadliest weather disaster of 2011: the East African drought
Tropical Storm Lee's flood in Binghamton: was global warming the final straw?
Wettest year on record in Philadelphia; 2011 sets record for wet/dry extremes in U.S.
Hurricane Irene: New York City dodges a potential storm surge mega-disaster


Figure 2. The new "Blue Marble" image of Earth on January 4, 2012, as seen by the VIIRS instrument on the new Suomi NPP satellite. Image credit: NASA.

Spectacular "Blue Marble" image of Earth released
A new polar orbiting satellite has returned a stunning true-color image of the Earth taken on January 4, 2012. The Suomi NPP satellite, launched on October 28, 2011, is the first one designed to both take measurements to improve short-term weather forecasts, and collect data to increase understanding of long-term climate change. The VIIRS instrument on the satellite collected a series of true-color images of the Western Hemisphere on January 4 that were stitched together to create a new "Blue Marble" image of Earth, like the ones taken by the Apollo astronauts in the 1970s.

The image is very interesting meteorologically, and extremely strange. It is obvious that it is a winter image, as revealed by the large area of stratocumulus clouds off the U.S. East Coast all the way to South Florida, caused by cold Canadian air blowing offshore. However, the U.S. and Canada are virtually snow-free and cloud-free, which is extremely rare for a January day. The lack of snow in the mountains of the Western U.S. is particularly unusual. I doubt one could find a January day this cloud-free with so little snow on the ground throughout the entire satellite record, going back to the early 1960s. NOAA's Advanced Hydrologic Prediction Service shows that only one state--Washington--had areas where precipitation accumulated more than 0.25" on January 4, 2012, which is an extraordinary occurrence for a January day.

Jeff Masters

Extreme Weather

The views of the author are his/her own and do not necessarily represent the position of The Weather Company or its parent, IBM.

Reader Comments

http://www.monbiot.com/2012/01/26/imaginary-friends /
That's one beautiful Blue Marble!
The bridge and debris - not pretty.
Thanks for the disasters update Doc and for posting the photo of our sublimely beautiful planet.
Goodmorning, Rough weather here in N Mobile County today!
Quoting aspectre:
The net-zero-energy home.
I do wonder about whether the energy to manufacture the materials&technology used to build&run the house is higher than for a regular house; and whether the energy-payback period is sufficiently low as to make a "net-zero-energy" home more sustainable than a regular house.




Seeing new houses built by Lennar with solar panels on the west side of the roofs now. Odd seeing those now, wonder how they will hold up in a hurricane or hail storm though, and how much insurance is to cover them and so on. Seems like it would rip off the roof since there is a gap underneath the panels
Quoting scott39:
Goodmorning, Rough weather here in N Mobile County today!



It's rough here in Saraland, Al to. Very ugly. Be careful and take care.

Sheri
Quoting catastropheadjuster:



It's rough here in Saraland, Al to. Very ugly. Be careful and take care.

Sheri
You too Sheri.
BULLETIN - EAS ACTIVATION REQUESTED
FLASH FLOOD WARNING
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE HOUSTON/GALVESTON TX
957 AM CST THU JAN 26 2012

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN LEAGUE CITY HAS ISSUED A

* FLASH FLOOD WARNING FOR...
A LEVEE FAILURE IN...
SOUTHEASTERN FORT BEND COUNTY IN SOUTHEASTERN TEXAS...
EXTREME WEST CENTRAL BRAZORIA COUNTY IN SOUTHEASTERN TEXAS...

* UNTIL 100 PM CST

* AT 952 AM CST...COUNTY DISPATCH REPORTED A LEVEE ON THE TEST RIVER
AT TEST FAILED...CAUSING FLASH FLOODING OF IMMEDIATELY SURROUNDING
AREAS.

* LOCATIONS IMPACTED INCLUDE...
HOLIDAY LAKES.
FYI, weather will bankrupt the globe easily in the future, everything is inflated cost wise, and just a common thing to have billion dollar disasters now. Weather isn't just worst, it's our man made money system and infrastructure that is outta control
Quoting scott39:
You too Sheri.


The clouds are moving fast, it's kinda weird. I can look out the window and folks that are drive crazy in bad weather.
Quoting RitaEvac:
FYI, weather will bankrupt the globe easily in the future, everything is inflated cost wise, and just a common thing to have billion dollar disasters now. Weather isn't just worst, it's our man made money system and infrastructure that is outta control


I understand that. People look at weather disaster as a money making, and I think it's just awful. I don't ever wish any kind of disaster that's just wrong. Like a lot of folks call the Weather Channel the Money Channel, I've worked some places that was in a office and they are glued to that channel and commenting look at the money there fixing to make. I don't see eye to eye with that. When I am called out I honestly think in my head I am there to help the insured, I hate to see the devastation and the sadness on there faces it will break your heart. But some folks call me crazy for thinking that way, well they can say what they want I really don't care. I have a BIG HEART.

Sheri

http://www.solarham.com/


Updated 1/26/2012 @ 15:20 UTC
Solar Update
Solar activity was relatively low over the past 24 hours with numerous C-Class flares detected. A long duration C6.4 flare around Sunspot 1402 early on Thursday morning, produced a non Earth directed CME off the northwest limb. This region will soon be out of direct Earth view and the solar X-Rays are expected to drop off.
A small new sunspot rotated into view on the eastern limb. Elsewhere, existing sunspot 1408 remains quiet.

Magnetic Looping above 1402 (Thursday) - SDO


Oh my Gosh it is awful it looks like straight line rain.

sheri
Thanks Dr. M. Strange image for January indeed. If you were an Alien traveling to Earth looking at the Earth on the way in for the first time, and did not know/understand the very Dry El Nino for the US, and normal loss of greenery during Winter, you would assume that most of the US and Canada was a desert................
Squall line not moving much.
.......
Quoting RitaEvac:
FYI, weather will bankrupt the globe easily in the future, everything is inflated cost wise, and just a common thing to have billion dollar disasters now. Weather isn't just worst, it's our man made money system and infrastructure that is outta control


It's more than just that.

In past generations, people often re-built their own stuff whether or not they had insurance.

Today, everyone files an insurance claim over everything, and hires the professional contractor to do everything. Often, you are even REQUIRED to hire a contractor to do repair work that people used to do for themselves.

BTW, yes solar and wind pay for themselves in average conditions.

Wind turbine pays for itself 8 to 30 times in it's lifetime.

Solar PV pays for itself about 5 to 10 times in it's lifetime.

Solar boiler systems pay for themselves perhaps dozens or more times easily.

All of them are actually significantly cheaper over the product lifetime than Coal, Natural Gas, or Oil based power in terms of total Joules energy produced vs cost.
Quoting hydrus:
Squall line not moving much.


And it just produced a tornado in Bama near the Florida Panhandle. Gotta really watch it carefully over the next few hours during peak daytime heating this afternoon as it heads into Alabama and the Florida Panandle.
From NOAA news:

NOAA's National Hurricane Center has now completed its post-storm analyses of all Atlantic tropical cyclones that occurred during the 2011 hurricane season. Of note is that the post-storm analysis of 2011 Atlantic Hurricane Rina resulted in an upgrade of the hurricane to major hurricane status. The Tropical Cyclone Report is posted at http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/data/tcr/AL182011_Rina.pdf

This upgrade alters the final totals for the 2011 Atlantic hurricane season. The season officially produced a total of 19 tropical storms of which seven became hurricanes, including four major hurricanes. This level of activity matches NOAA's predictions and continues the trend of active hurricane seasons that began in 1995. The 19 tropical storms represent the third-highest total (tied with 1887, 1995, and 2010) since records began in 1851 and is well above the average of 11. The number of major hurricanes is also well above the average of two. However, the number of hurricanes is close to the average of six. Here is the link to the updated NOAA release regarding the 2011 Hurricane Season.

Jeff Masters
Quoting JeffMasters:
From NOAA news:

NOAA's National Hurricane Center has now completed its post-storm analyses of all Atlantic tropical cyclones that occurred during the 2011 hurricane season. Of note is that the post-storm analysis of 2011 Atlantic Hurricane Rina resulted in an upgrade of the hurricane to major hurricane status. The Tropical Cyclone Report is posted at http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/data/tcr/AL182011_Rina.pdf

This upgrade alters the final totals for the 2011 Atlantic hurricane season. The season officially produced a total of 19 tropical storms of which seven became hurricanes, including four major hurricanes. This level of activity matches NOAA's predictions and continues the trend of active hurricane seasons that began in 1995. The 19 tropical storms represent the third-highest total (tied with 1887, 1995, and 2010) since records began in 1851 and is well above the average of 11. The number of major hurricanes is also well above the average of two. However, the number of hurricanes is close to the average of six. Here is the link to the updated NOAA release regarding the 2011 Hurricane Season.

Jeff Masters


I was half expecting the upgrade to MH status on Rina..:D
Thank you Dr Masters for the tally of 2011,As you say in one of the lines:-
"The total costs of these fourteen disasters is $55 billion,"
What springs to mind in addition to this total are all the other Billion dollar disasters of 2011, which have occurred in other parts of the world. Some may be partially covered by insurance? Others will be only notional as nobody is going to pay out on them, famines and floods in the 3rd world being a major issue here.
A point often overlooked is that the insurance company's who pay out on these events will also be looking to significantly increase their premiums in anticipation of the next bad season, which even now they will be trying to predict. In light of the sad state of some sectors of the economy, some people may not be able to afford cover soon, if not already.
Link to my new blog concerning Funso and Iggy :D:D:D
13 catastropheadjuster "Oh my Gosh, it is awful. It looks like straight line rain."

Coming down or flying sideways?
Ham weather's temperature outlooks.

Temperature Outlooks

Six to Ten, Eight to Fourteen, Monthly, and Seasonal.

If these verify I think we can officially call it the "Year Without a Winter".

This is nuts.

Linking to another weather site is allowed?
Quoting RTSplayer:
Ham weather's temperature outlooks.

Temperature Outlooks

Six to Ten, Eight to Fourteen, Monthly, and Seasonal.

If these verify I think we can officially call it the "Year Without a Winter".

This is nuts.

Linking to another weather site is allowed?


linkin to bout every weather site i know of...except, for 1. a site that is automatically censcored when u type it..W______B_____.com. I wont be the one to give whole name lol
I DID see a dip in center of Iggy..
A photo of Earth in a couple hundred years.
Quoting wxmod:
A photo of Earth in a couple hundred years.


thats venus
La Nina doesn't want to go away anytime soon,as the daily SOI index has gone positive since January 13th.

Link
As Nino regions 3 and 4 have fallen, regions 1 and 2 have risin' steadily. Which means La Nina isn't dying but going completely west-bound(even some slight warm anomalies are teetering off the coast of Equator).

That would translate into a continued warm Winter for the East(if no blocking forms) but a very cool(if not chilly) Spring for the Eastern U.S.(similar to a perverted form of El Nino)!

La Nina Mokiki would actually be what it's called. But most just go by the phrase west-based La Nina.
Japan's 'Nuclear Alley' Conflicted Over Reactors

By MARI YAMAGUCHI Associated Press
OHI, Japan January 26, 2012 (AP)

International inspectors are visiting a rugged Japanese bay region so thick with reactors it is dubbed "Nuclear Alley," where residents remain deeply conflicted as Japan moves to restart plants idled after the Fukushima disaster.

The local economy depends heavily on the industry, and the national government hopes that "stress tests" at idled plants — the first of which is being reviewed this week by the International Atomic Energy Agency — will show they are safe enough to switch back on.

But last year's tsunami crisis in northeastern Japan with meltdowns at three of the Fukushima reactors has fanned opposition to the plants here in western Fukui prefecture, a mountainous region surrounding Wakasa Bay that also relies on fishing and tourism and where the governor has come out strongly against nuclear power.

"We don't need another Fukushima, and we don't want to repeat the same mistake here," said Eiichi Inoue, a 63-year-old retiree in the coastal town of Obama. "I know they added stress tests, but what exactly are they doing?"

"I oppose restarting them," he said.

Other residents said that economic realities made the plants indispensable, including Chikako Shimamoto, a 38-year-old fitness instructor in Takahama, a town that hosts one of the region's nuclear plants.

"We all know that we better not restart them," Shimamoto said. "But we need jobs and we need business in this town.

"Our lives in this town depends on the nuclear power plant and we have no choice," she said.

On Thursday, an IAEA team visited a plant in the town of Ohi to check whether officials at operator Kansai Electric Power Co. had correctly done the tests at two reactors. The tests are designed to assess whether plants can withstand earthquakes, tsunamis, loss of power or other emergencies, and suggest changes to improve safety.

Their visit, at Japan's invitation, appeared aimed at reassuring a skeptical public that authorities are taking the necessary precautions before bringing nuclear plants back on line. After the visit, IAEA team leader James Lyons said its assessment would be released at the end of the month but deciding whether to restart the reactors was up to the Japanese goverment.

Some experts are critical of the stress tests, saying they are meaningless because they have no clear criteria, and view the IAEA as biased toward the nuclear industry.

"I don't view their evaluation as something that is trustworthy or carries any weight," said Hiromitsu Ino, professor emeritus at the University of Tokyo and member of the Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency's stress test panel.

The government idled most plants for mandatory tests and maintenance after the Fukushima disaster. Currently, only four of Japan's 54 reactors are operating. If no idled plants get approval to restart, the country will be without an operating reactor by the end of April.

Before the March 11 earthquake and tsunami that led to the Fukushima crisis, nuclear plants generated about 30 percent of the country's electricity. To make up for the shortfall, utilities are temporarily turning to conventional oil and coal-fired plants, and the government has required companies to reduce their electricity consumption.

Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda has promised to reduce Japan's reliance on nuclear power over time, but it still needs some nuclear power until next-generation sources are developed.
In Fukui, 13 reactors at four complexes are clustered along a 55-kilometer (35-mile) stretch of coast with snow capped mountains facing the Sea of Japan. It's known as "Gempatsu Ginza," a phrase that roughly translates to "Nuclear Alley."

Only one of the 13 reactors is still running. The rest have been shut down for regular inspections required every 13 months. To start running again, they must pass the stress test.

Another hurdle will be gaining local support for the plants to restart. While local consent is not legally required for that to happen, authorities generally want to win local backing and make efforts to do so.

Fukui Gov. Issei Nishikawa, however, says he will not allow a startup of any of the prefecture's commercial reactors.

And the city assembly in Obama — a town that briefly enjoyed international fame when it endorsed Barack Obama in the 2008 U.S. presidential race— has submitted an appeal to the central Tokyo government to make Japan nuclear-free.

But officials in Mihama, another town that hosts a nuclear plant, have expressed support for the town's three reactors also operated by Kansai Electric, also called Kepco.
Fukui is a largely rural area, traditionally focused on fishing and farming, but it has a significant textile and machinery industry, and boasts of being a major producer of eyeglasses. Its nuclear power plants supply approximately half of all the electricity used in the greater Kansai region, which includes Osaka and Kyoto.

Several towns' fortunes are tied closely to the nuclear industry.

Community centers and roads are paid by the government subsidies for hosting the plants. Closing the plants not only means losing jobs for thousands of workers, but hardship for stores, restaurants and other service industries.

Many of those interviewed had family members, relatives or friends with jobs at the plants, and some refused to give their names due to fear of repercussions.

Noda has said the final decision on restarting nuclear plants would be political, suggesting that the government would override any local opposition if Japan's energy needs become dire.

Naozane Sakashita, a taxi and bus driver, said his salary had decreased "substantially" after the Ohi and other plants went offline.

"I think these idle plants should resume as soon as their safety is confirmed," he said. "Our jobs and daily life are more important than a disaster that occurs only once in a million years."

Still, he said he is concerned about the safety of the plants because his son works as a control room operator at the Takahama plant.

"If our economy prospers without compromising our safety, of course it would be best to live without nuclear energy," he said.
Patrap so far there's been nothing really nasty down that way right?

From today's outbreak not earlier this week I mean.
Quoting BaltimoreBrian:
Patrap so far there's been nothing really nasty down that way right?

From today's outbreak not earlier this week I mean.




Not here proper save for some good soaking rains that were very Welcome.

College of DuPage Meteorology
Severe Weather and Flash Flood Warnings
Note: This page will reload every 2 minutes. Warnings are listed with the most recent first.


Click on the station ID to bring up list of recent severe weather statements.

SVR T-STORM WARNING MOBILE AL - KMOB 146 PM CST THU JAN 26 2012
SVR T-STORM WARNING TALLAHASSEE FL - KTAE 140 PM CST THU JAN 26 2012
SVR T-STORM WARNING MOBILE AL - KMOB 136 PM CST THU JAN 26 2012
SVR T-STORM WARNING MOBILE AL - KMOB 107 PM CST THU JAN 26 2012
SVR T-STORM WARNING MOBILE AL - KMOB 1255 PM CST THU JAN 26 2012
TORNADO WARNING BIRMINGHAM AL - KBMX 1239 PM CST THU JAN 26 2012
SVR T-STORM WARNING MOBILE AL - KMOB 1157 AM CST THU JAN 26 2012
TORNADO WARNING MOBILE AL - KMOB 1111 AM CST THU JAN 26 2012
The SPC lists 70 tornadoes to-date for January. The numbers are preliminary, of course, but absent any further twisters, this month should nonetheless go down as seeing the third most January tornadoes since 1950. Yikes.

Speaking of severe weather, the SPC says SoCal may be in for some trouble this weekend:

...CRITICAL FIRE WEATHER AREA FOR PORTIONS OF SWRN CA...

...PORTIONS OF SWRN CA...
AN UPGRADE TO CRITICAL DESIGNATION HAS BEEN MADE...WHICH INCLUDES
THE COASTAL RANGES AND THE ADJACENT FOOTHILLS OF SWRN CA.

METEOROLOGICAL CONDITIONS:
AS INDICATED IN THE PREVIOUS OUTLOOK...CRITICAL METEOROLOGICAL
CONDITIONS ARE EXPECTED TO OCCUR. AS THE SFC PRESSURE GRADIENT
TIGHTENS...NELY TO ENELY WINDS OF 20-30 MPH WITH GUSTS REACHING
40-50 MPH ARE EXPECTED TO DEVELOP DURING THE AFTERNOON. MULTI-MODEL
CONSENSUS...INCLUDING OUTPUT FROM THE 4-KM NAM MODEL...INDICATES
WINDS FURTHER STRENGTHENING DURING THE OVERNIGHT HOURS...WITH
SUSTAINED WIND SPEEDS REACHING 40 MPH AND GUSTS REACHING 60-70 MPH
THROUGH FAVORED PASSES AND CANYONS IN LOS ANGELES AND VENTURA
COUNTIES. RH VALUES WILL LIKELY FALL INTO THE MIDDLE/UPPER TEENS BY
LATE AFTERNOON OWING TO DOWNSLOPE EFFECTS...AND THEN FALL TO 8 TO 13
PERCENT DURING THE OVERNIGHT HOURS
AS A CONSIDERABLY DRIER AIR MASS
/PW VALUES OF 0.05 INCH TO 0.10 INCH PER SREF OUTPUT/ OVERSPREADS
THE REGION.

FUEL CONDITIONS:
UPON COORDINATION WITH THE WEATHER FORECAST OFFICES IN OXNARD AND
SAN DIEGO...AS WELL AS THE SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA GACC...IT NOW APPEARS
THAT FUELS ACROSS A LARGE PART OF THE CRITICAL AREA WILL SUPPORT
LARGE FIRE DEVELOPMENT
. WHILE THE OCCURRENCE OF RECENT PRECIPITATION
MAY TEMPER THE FIRE WEATHER THREAT TO SOME DEGREE IN SOME
LOCATIONS...DRYING OF FUELS WILL LIKELY HAVE OCCURRED OWING TO
ANTECEDENT WARM TEMPERATURES AND THE ANTECEDENT MORE MODEST OFFSHORE
FLOW REGIME. ADDITIONAL DRYING OF FUELS IS ANTICIPATED ONCE THE
STRONG TO VERY STRONG OFFSHORE WINDS AND DOWNSLOPE-INDUCED...
BOUNDARY-LAYER WARMING/DRYING COMMENCE SUCH THAT A CRITICAL AREA IS
NOW WARRANTED. IN AREAS WHERE FUEL CONDITIONS REMAIN RELATIVELY MORE
MARGINAL...THE MAGNITUDE OF THE WIND JUXTAPOSED WITH THE
AFOREMENTIONED RH VALUES SHOULD COMPENSATE TO GENERATE A CRITICAL
FIRE WEATHER THREAT.
Thanks Patrap. Soaking rains are excellent for you. I see the tornado warnings. Hopefully those didn't cause any damage.
Quoting SPLbeater:
I DID see a dip in center of Iggy..


2 things would disprove your theory of an eye.

1. the banding is not developed sufficiently
2. the CDO isn't a banding eye



Banding is developing though.
A close flyby tomorrow. .2 Lunar Distance.

Link
Quoting yqt1001:


2 things would disprove your theory of an eye.

1. the banding is not developed sufficiently
2. the CDO isn't a banding eye



Banding is developing though.

Banding has nothing to do with an eye. A storm can have an eye without banding.
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

Banding has nothing to do with an eye. A storm can have an eye without banding.


I didn't mean it as rainbands, I meant outflow.
Quoting wxmod:
A photo of Earth in a couple hundred years.


Ha, looks more like "Global Toasting" than Global warming.
Cold wave claims 15 lives in Andhra Pradesh
IANS Jan 17, 2012, 12.00PM IS


According to locals, elderly people and beggars became victims of the severe cold wave.

The temperature in most of the 23 districts in the state is three to nine degrees below normal, the weather officials said. At least 13 districts are reeling under severe cold as the mercury fell to below 10 degrees Celsius.

The intensity of the cold has surprised all. The southern state, known for its tropical weather, never heard of deaths due to cold wave.

The night temperature at Lambasinghi, a tribal hamlet in Visakhapatnam district, fell below zero degree Celsius Monday but the India Meteorological Department (IMD) did not confirm this as it has no recording station there.

Some forest habitations in the district have virtually turned into Kashmir.

The mercury in Chintapalli tribal belt of Visakhapatnam is hovering between one and 1.5 degree Celsius for the last four days.

People in Adilabad district of Telangana shivered as the night temperature fell to below five degrees. The district bordering Maharashtra recorded a temperature of 4.2 degrees, the lowest in over 100 years.

The coastal district of Srikakulam recorded nine degrees, the lowest in decades. The coastal city of Visakhapatnam also registered 11.2 degrees, the lowest in 50 years.

Hyderabad has also been recording temperatures between 10 and 11 degrees for the last couple of days.

According to the Visakhapatnam Cyclone Warning Centre, upper air circulation over Madhya Pradesh and Chhattisgarh and cold winds blowing from the Himalayas have brought down the temperature drastically.

The met office has forecast that the cold wave would continue till Thursday morning and the mercury may start returning to normal from Wednesday.


CAPE is building up like crazy in the Carolinas is what I'm seeing from @wxbrad. Also, he's saying it'll explode entering the Carolinas. May as well get my NOAA radio ready for overnight tornadoes, but for you guys, this storm system isn't done yet.
NWS confirms San Antonio, TX tornado EF-0 (70 mph winds), Austin, TX tornado EF-1 (100 mph winds)
Heavy bands of chaff moving over S Florida. What's big brother up to??
Quoting Bluestorm5:
CAPE is building up like crazy in the Carolinas is what I'm seeing from @wxbrad. Also, he's saying it'll explode entering the Carolinas. May as well get my NOAA radio ready for overnight tornadoes, but for you guys, this storm system isn't done yet.


I in central NC. Its my birthday. dont tell me sever weather is POSSIBLY coming lol

If it does come...go up in sky and tell it to wait till saturday. my hand-held anemometer isnt here yet xD
So Funso is back to a 4...I didnt think my purple pencil was comin back xD
..The Annanaki like it Warm, ..everyone in the know knows dat..


52:

Hey, their atmosphere is supposedly made of Gold, according to the Ancient Aliens guys, so they must like it very warm indeed.

What is the emission spectra for Gold vapor? That should be easy as pie for an astronomer to spot if the Niburu planet is anywhere near us.
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

Banding has nothing to do with an eye. A storm can have an eye without banding.


Well an eyewall IS a band.
Quoting SPLbeater:
So Funso is back to a 4...I didnt think my purple pencil was comin back xD




Looks like a solid 3-low end 4 to me.
Quoting Levi32:


Well an eyewall IS a band.
levi i see some models take that tropical storm very close to western australia. how strong do you think it will get?
Hurricane Rina was indeed upgraded to Major Hurricane Rina in Post Analysis. Good call
Quoting Bluestorm5:
CAPE is building up like crazy in the Carolinas is what I'm seeing from @wxbrad. Also, he's saying it'll explode entering the Carolinas. May as well get my NOAA radio ready for overnight tornadoes, but for you guys, this storm system isn't done yet.

I'll admit, I do not have a weather radio.

Well..I do, but it isn't working for some reason.

Quoting Levi32:


Well an eyewall IS a band.

Well, true.
Icky Iggy xD
Quoting WxGeekVA:




Looks like a solid 3-low end 4 to me.


115 knots translates to 132.25mph. bottom cat 4 LOL :D

115 X 1.15 = 132.25

Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

I'll admit, I do not have a weather radio.

Well..I do, but it isn't working for some reason.


Well, true.


TAWx13! of all people! You need to git that thing serviced....or get a new one. Price range from 20$-80$. mine was like 29$ lol
Quoting SPLbeater:


TAWx13! of all people! You need to git that thing serviced....or get a new one. Price range from 20$-80$. mine was like 29$ lol

Yeah, mine was $29.99.

It may just need batteries...Anyways, our local meteorologist said the worst will come through just after sunrise, so I shouldn't have to worry that much.
Quoting Patrap:
..The Annanaki like it Warm, ..everyone in the know knows dat..




Grothar told me a while back that this was his favorite little scooter for pickin' up the ladies.

Quoting SPLbeater:


115 knots translates to 132.25mph. bottom cat 4 LOL :D

115 X 1.15 = 132.25


An easier way to calculate knots to miles per hour.
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

An easier way to calculate knots to miles per hour.


ya i got calculator that i use for school sittin here Bside me:D

Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

Yeah, mine was $29.99.

It may just need batteries...Anyways, our local meteorologist said the worst will come through just after sunrise, so I shouldn't have to worry that much.


well that depends...if its saturday morning, you might be sleepin in late lol. or at school if tomorrow morning. idk xD
I've memorized the kts-mph conversion.

Jumps in the conversion:

45kts = 50mph
50kts = 60mph
80kts = 90mph
85kts = 100mph
110kts = 125mph
115kts = 135mph

After this point I don't remember the conversion well..because no storm exceeded 140kts in 2011. :/
Quoting ChillinInTheKeys:


Grothar told me a while back that this was his favorite little scooter for pickin' up the ladies.



Hey, that was my little airplane set I used to play with in Mesopotamia.
A Burst way down near the Yuc,,

..upon further review, the Season, "was in Bounds with Both hands in control of the SST's", so by rule the ruling by the Basin, is overturned.

First Down and 10 Cane's
Tallahassee
NEXRAD Radar

Base Reflectivity 0.50° Elevation
Range 248 NMI

Nasty Cell on Composite Sw of Tally




These are from a book called Disorder in the American Courts, and are
things people actually said in court, word for word, taken down and now
published by court reporters who had the torment of staying calm while
these exchanges were actually taking place.



_________________________________________________ _ __________

ATTORNEY: What gear were you in at the moment of the impact?

WITNESS: Gucci sweats and Reeboks.

______________________________________

ATTORNEY: This myasthenia gravis, does it affect your memory at all?

WITNESS: Yes.

ATTORNEY: And in what ways does it affect your memory?

WITNESS: I forget.

ATTORNEY: You forget? Can you give us an example of something you
forgot?

_____________________________________

ATTORNEY: What was the first thing your husband said to you that
morning?

WITNESS: He said, 'Where am I, Cathy?'

ATTORNEY: And why did that upset you?

WITNESS: My name is Susan!

______________________________________

ATTORNEY: Do you know if your daughter has ever been involved in
voodoo?

WITNESS: We both do.

ATTORNEY: Voodoo?

WITNESS: We do.

ATTORNEY: You do?

WITNESS: Yes, voodoo.

______________________________________

ATTORNEY: Now doctor, isn't it true that when a person dies in his
sleep, he doesn't know about it until the next morning?

WITNESS: Did you actually pass the bar exam?

____________________________________

ATTORNEY: The youngest son, the twenty-one-year-old, how old is he?

WITNESS: Uh, he's twenty-one.

________________________________________

ATTORNEY: Were you present when your picture was taken?

WITNESS: Are you kidding me?

______________________________________


ATTORNEY: She had three children, right?

WITNESS: Yes.

ATTORNEY: How many were boys?

WITNESS: None.

ATTORNEY: Were there any girls?

WITNESS: Are you kidding? Your Honor, I think I need a different
attorney. Can I get a new attorney?

______________________________________


ATTORNEY: How was your first marriage terminated?

WITNESS: By death.

ATTORNEY: And by whose death was it terminated?

WITNESS: Now, whose death do you suppose terminated it?

______________________________________

ATTORNEY: Can you describe the individual?

WITNESS: He was about medium height and had a beard.

ATTORNEY: Was this a male or a female?

WITNESS: Guess.

_____________________________________

ATTORNEY: Is your appearance here this morning pursuant to a
deposition notice which I sent to your attorney?

WITNESS: No, this is how I dress when I go to work.

______________________________________

ATTORNEY: Doctor, how many of your autopsies have you performed on
dead people?

WITNESS: All my autopsies are performed on dead people. Would you
like to rephrase that?

______________________________________

ATTORNEY: ALL your responses MUST be oral, OK?
What school did you go to?

WITNESS: Oral.

______________________________________

ATTORNEY: Do you recall the time that you examined the body?

WITNESS: The autopsy started around 8:30 p.m.

ATTORNEY: And Mr. Denton was dead at the time?

WITNESS: No, he was sitting on the table,
wondering why I was doing an autopsy on him!

____________________________________________

ATTORNEY: Are you qualified to give a urine sample?

WITNESS: Huh....are you qualified to ask that question?

______________________________________

--- And the best for last: ---

ATTORNEY: Doctor, before you performed the autopsy, did you check for
a pulse?

WITNESS: No.

ATTORNEY: Did you check for blood pressure?

WITNESS: No.

ATTORNEY: Did you check for breathing?

WITNESS: No.

ATTORNEY: So, then it is possible that the patient was alive when you
began the autopsy?

WITNESS: No.

ATTORNEY: How can you be so sure, Doctor?

WITNESS: Because his brain was sitting on my desk in a jar.

ATTORNEY: I see, but could the patient have still been alive,
nevertheless?

WITNESS: Yes, it is possible that he could have been alive and
practicing law.
"He was all over the road. I had to swerve several times before hitting him."
so texas got some rain fl. is next
test complete
There's a "Preview" Feature right next to the Post Comment icon.


For , "testing"
Did you collect the complete set?

How much wood could a woodchuck chuck if the government subsidized the chucking of the wood?
Quoting RTSplayer:


It's more than just that.

In past generations, people often re-built their own stuff whether or not they had insurance.

Today, everyone files an insurance claim over everything, and hires the professional contractor to do everything. Often, you are even REQUIRED to hire a contractor to do repair work that people used to do for themselves.

BTW, yes solar and wind pay for themselves in average conditions.

Wind turbine pays for itself 8 to 30 times in it's lifetime.

Solar PV pays for itself about 5 to 10 times in it's lifetime.

Solar boiler systems pay for themselves perhaps dozens or more times easily.

All of them are actually significantly cheaper over the product lifetime than Coal, Natural Gas, or Oil based power in terms of total Joules energy produced vs cost.


Can you tell me, please, where you get the information re the wind and solar energy figures? You can email them if you want. Thanks!
I see Rina was upgraded.That's not a surprise seeing how fast she had intensify.
Quoting washingtonian115:
I see Rina was upgraded.That's not a surprise seeing how fast she had intensify.


Meh. I still think she was a 95 kt Category 2, but whatever. I guess it's just as possible she was a minor Category 3, though.
Quoting KoritheMan:


Meh. I still think she was a 95 kt Category 2, but whatever. I guess it's just as possible she was a minor Category 3, though.

No no, definitely a major, Kori. :P

Blue Marble Jan 25, 2012

From Modis Satellite
Saw this in the Rina TRC.

"Acknowledgments:
Thanks are expressed to the Mexican Navy, Weather Underground and Josh Morgerman
for providing data from near the landfall point in Mexico."

Was Masters on vacation in Paamul?
82:

To be honest, that's a bit complicated, and no I don't have the exact links.

I took the prices from wikipedia, live video demos from a boiler plant on youtube, and directly from product manufacturers sites, and then I did the math myself assuming reasonable, average conditions and taking steps to ensure I was not being idealistic.

For solar, I only used the 6 peak hours of the day, even though technically the other hours do in fact provide some energy, but I figure on average this is probably offset by "bad" days such as clouds or whatever.

For wind, I assumed an average of only half of optimal wind speed for a wind turbine, which based on the formula for the power of wind in Watts, that is actually only 1/8th of the optimal power per turbine. So I'm assuming the turbine only averages 1/8th of optimum power. So that is far from idealistic.

Under optimal conditions, a modern wind turbine can actually pay for itself in about 3 or 4 months, but has an expected life of 30 or more years, believe it or not!

I assume the owner is either using all the electricity, or selling the electricity at the going rate for the region (for a big project,) which I used Louisiana's energy price rate which is actually lower than much of the nation.
blog2013comment47 Patrap "...Chinese iPhone 4S launch turns into egg-throwing melee..."
54 aspectre "There's gotta be more to this. Hard to picture a crowd waitin' in line for a sales event carryin' eggs as ammo 'just in case the store doesn't open on time'."

There was, and now the other shoe drops.
Their demonstrated desire to evade FirstWorld health, safety, labor, and environmental protection standards certainly explains why Apple refuses to manufacture its products in the US.
More of The Blue Marble Jan 25, 2011

From Modis Satellite
If you want to laugh so hard it hurts, go to youtube and search for:

"How it Should Have Ended: Wolverine".

For best results, watch "X-Men Origins: Wolverine" first.

This is one of the funniest skits I have ever seen.
Blue Marble plus Geoengineering Jan 26


Modis Satellite Photo
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

No no, definitely a major, Kori. :P



Recon data only barely qualified her as a major; the majority of flight-level winds seemed more supportive of a strong Category 2.
Quoting KoritheMan:


Recon data only barely qualified her as a major; the majority of flight-level winds seemed more supportive of a strong Category 2.

NO!

The 100-kt estimated peak intensity of Rina is primarily based on a NOAA SFMR
measurement of 103 kt at 2240 UTC 25 October, with another SFMR reading of 98 kt also taken
by the Air Force Reserve several hours later. Operationally, the peak SFMR reading was flagged
as questionable, so a more conservative flight-level wind adjustment factor that supported 95 kt
(actual flight-level measurement 106 kt) was used at that time. A post-analysis from the NOAA
Hurricane Research Division, however, concluded that the SFMR data were not contaminated
and are thus used to upgrade Rina to a major hurricane for the final best track. It is also noted
that the surface-based data suggest that the typical flight-level wind adjustment factors were not
applicable to Rina.
The main line is about to enter more favorable spot for tornadoes, but northern section of line had been weaken because of mountains.
The Climate Prediction Center says that February will begin much as January ended:

Ouch

And, as noted earlier, Southern California will see widespread tinderbox conditions this weekend:

...PORTIONS OF SWRN CA -- D3/SAT THROUGH D8/THU...
D3/SAT -- METEOROLOGICAL CONDITIONS:
STRONG TO VERY STRONG NELY TO ENELY WINDS ARE EXPECTED TO BE ONGOING
AT THE START OF THE D3/SAT PERIOD AS A RESULT OF THE TIGHT SFC
PRESSURE GRADIENT ACROSS THE SWRN PERIPHERY OF THE GREAT BASIN
ANTICYCLONE. AS DOWNSLOPE EFFECTS PROMOTE WARMING/DRYING THROUGH THE
BOUNDARY LAYER...AND WITH VERY DRY TROPOSPHERIC AIR IN PLACE /PW
VALUES AROUND 0.05 INCH PER LATEST SREF OUTPUT/ RH VALUES WILL
LIKELY BE IN THE SINGLE DIGITS. WHILE WINDS MAY BEGIN SUBSIDING BY
LATE AFTERNOON AS THE PRESSURE GRADIENT BEGINS TO RELAX...CRITICAL
METEOROLOGICAL CONDITIONS ARE EXPECTED THROUGH THE MORNING AND INTO
THE AFTERNOON. DESPITE WINDS SUBSIDING SATURDAY NIGHT...THE DRY AIR
MASS IN PLACE WILL SUPPORT POOR OVERNIGHT RH RECOVERY.

D3/SAT -- FUEL CONDITIONS:
WHILE THE OCCURRENCE OF RECENT PRECIPITATION MAY TEMPER THE FIRE
WEATHER THREAT TO SOME DEGREE IN SOME LOCATIONS...THE STRONG TO VERY
STRONG OFFSHORE WINDS AND VERY LOW RH VALUES WILL AID IN DRYING
FUELS. IN AREAS WHERE FUEL CONDITIONS REMAIN RELATIVELY MORE
MARGINAL...THE MAGNITUDE OF THE WIND JUXTAPOSED WITH THE
AFOREMENTIONED RH VALUES SHOULD COMPENSATE TO GENERATE A CRITICAL
FIRE WEATHER THREAT. UPON COORDINATION WITH THE WEATHER FORECAST
OFFICES IN OXNARD AND SAN DIEGO...AS WELL AS THE SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA
GACC...IT NOW APPEARS THAT FUELS ACROSS A LARGE PART OF THE CRITICAL
AREA WILL BE CAPABLE OF SUPPORTING LARGE FIRE DEVELOPMENT
. AS
SUCH...A CRITICAL AREA COVERS PORTIONS OF SWRN CA...INCLUDING THE
COASTAL RANGES AND ADJACENT FOOTHILLS.

Mind you, this is, generally speaking, the rainy season there.
Quoting Neapolitan:
The Climate Prediction Center says that February will begin much as January ended:

Ouch

And, as noted earlier, Southern California will see widespread tinderbox conditions this weekend:

...PORTIONS OF SWRN CA -- D3/SAT THROUGH D8/THU...
D3/SAT -- METEOROLOGICAL CONDITIONS:
STRONG TO VERY STRONG NELY TO ENELY WINDS ARE EXPECTED TO BE ONGOING
AT THE START OF THE D3/SAT PERIOD AS A RESULT OF THE TIGHT SFC
PRESSURE GRADIENT ACROSS THE SWRN PERIPHERY OF THE GREAT BASIN
ANTICYCLONE. AS DOWNSLOPE EFFECTS PROMOTE WARMING/DRYING THROUGH THE
BOUNDARY LAYER...AND WITH VERY DRY TROPOSPHERIC AIR IN PLACE /PW
VALUES AROUND 0.05 INCH PER LATEST SREF OUTPUT/ RH VALUES WILL
LIKELY BE IN THE SINGLE DIGITS. WHILE WINDS MAY BEGIN SUBSIDING BY
LATE AFTERNOON AS THE PRESSURE GRADIENT BEGINS TO RELAX...CRITICAL
METEOROLOGICAL CONDITIONS ARE EXPECTED THROUGH THE MORNING AND INTO
THE AFTERNOON. DESPITE WINDS SUBSIDING SATURDAY NIGHT...THE DRY AIR
MASS IN PLACE WILL SUPPORT POOR OVERNIGHT RH RECOVERY.

D3/SAT -- FUEL CONDITIONS:
WHILE THE OCCURRENCE OF RECENT PRECIPITATION MAY TEMPER THE FIRE
WEATHER THREAT TO SOME DEGREE IN SOME LOCATIONS...THE STRONG TO VERY
STRONG OFFSHORE WINDS AND VERY LOW RH VALUES WILL AID IN DRYING
FUELS. IN AREAS WHERE FUEL CONDITIONS REMAIN RELATIVELY MORE
MARGINAL...THE MAGNITUDE OF THE WIND JUXTAPOSED WITH THE
AFOREMENTIONED RH VALUES SHOULD COMPENSATE TO GENERATE A CRITICAL
FIRE WEATHER THREAT. UPON COORDINATION WITH THE WEATHER FORECAST
OFFICES IN OXNARD AND SAN DIEGO...AS WELL AS THE SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA
GACC...IT NOW APPEARS THAT FUELS ACROSS A LARGE PART OF THE CRITICAL
AREA WILL BE CAPABLE OF SUPPORTING LARGE FIRE DEVELOPMENT
. AS
SUCH...A CRITICAL AREA COVERS PORTIONS OF SWRN CA...INCLUDING THE
COASTAL RANGES AND ADJACENT FOOTHILLS.

Mind you, this is, generally speaking, the rainy season there.
*throw hands up in the air* I give up. Winter will never arrive in Raleigh this year :\
Quoting Neapolitan:
The Climate Prediction Center says that February will begin much as January ended:

Ouch

And, as noted earlier, Southern California will see widespread tinderbox conditions this weekend:

...PORTIONS OF SWRN CA -- D3/SAT THROUGH D8/THU...
D3/SAT -- METEOROLOGICAL CONDITIONS:
STRONG TO VERY STRONG NELY TO ENELY WINDS ARE EXPECTED TO BE ONGOING
AT THE START OF THE D3/SAT PERIOD AS A RESULT OF THE TIGHT SFC
PRESSURE GRADIENT ACROSS THE SWRN PERIPHERY OF THE GREAT BASIN
ANTICYCLONE. AS DOWNSLOPE EFFECTS PROMOTE WARMING/DRYING THROUGH THE
BOUNDARY LAYER...AND WITH VERY DRY TROPOSPHERIC AIR IN PLACE /PW
VALUES AROUND 0.05 INCH PER LATEST SREF OUTPUT/ RH VALUES WILL
LIKELY BE IN THE SINGLE DIGITS. WHILE WINDS MAY BEGIN SUBSIDING BY
LATE AFTERNOON AS THE PRESSURE GRADIENT BEGINS TO RELAX...CRITICAL
METEOROLOGICAL CONDITIONS ARE EXPECTED THROUGH THE MORNING AND INTO
THE AFTERNOON. DESPITE WINDS SUBSIDING SATURDAY NIGHT...THE DRY AIR
MASS IN PLACE WILL SUPPORT POOR OVERNIGHT RH RECOVERY.

D3/SAT -- FUEL CONDITIONS:
WHILE THE OCCURRENCE OF RECENT PRECIPITATION MAY TEMPER THE FIRE
WEATHER THREAT TO SOME DEGREE IN SOME LOCATIONS...THE STRONG TO VERY
STRONG OFFSHORE WINDS AND VERY LOW RH VALUES WILL AID IN DRYING
FUELS. IN AREAS WHERE FUEL CONDITIONS REMAIN RELATIVELY MORE
MARGINAL...THE MAGNITUDE OF THE WIND JUXTAPOSED WITH THE
AFOREMENTIONED RH VALUES SHOULD COMPENSATE TO GENERATE A CRITICAL
FIRE WEATHER THREAT. UPON COORDINATION WITH THE WEATHER FORECAST
OFFICES IN OXNARD AND SAN DIEGO...AS WELL AS THE SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA
GACC...IT NOW APPEARS THAT FUELS ACROSS A LARGE PART OF THE CRITICAL
AREA WILL BE CAPABLE OF SUPPORTING LARGE FIRE DEVELOPMENT
. AS
SUCH...A CRITICAL AREA COVERS PORTIONS OF SWRN CA...INCLUDING THE
COASTAL RANGES AND ADJACENT FOOTHILLS.

Mind you, this is, generally speaking, the rainy season there.
Nooooooooooooooooo.we might as well skip right into spring.
Quoting Bluestorm5:
*throw hands up in the air* I give up. Winter will never arrive in Raleigh this year :\

I gave up a long time ago.
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

I gave up a long time ago.


I gave up on Monday....
Quoting Patrap:
..How novel is Winter 2011-12

.."move along, these are not the Droids were looking for"...



How did we bypass them, I thought we were goners?
103. code1
Tally, just like Destin area earlier, no biggie thankfully! Really hoping for more precip in our areas, without the twirly threat. Stay safe those of you not as fortunate. Weather radios saves lives ya know!
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

NO!

The 100-kt estimated peak intensity of Rina is primarily based on a NOAA SFMR
measurement of 103 kt at 2240 UTC 25 October, with another SFMR reading of 98 kt also taken
by the Air Force Reserve several hours later. Operationally, the peak SFMR reading was flagged
as questionable, so a more conservative flight-level wind adjustment factor that supported 95 kt
(actual flight-level measurement 106 kt) was used at that time. A post-analysis from the NOAA
Hurricane Research Division, however, concluded that the SFMR data were not contaminated
and are thus used to upgrade Rina to a major hurricane for the final best track. It is also noted
that the surface-based data suggest that the typical flight-level wind adjustment factors were not
applicable to Rina.


I concede. ;)
Quoting RTSplayer:
82:

To be honest, that's a bit complicated, and no I don't have the exact links.

I took the prices from wikipedia, live video demos from a boiler plant on youtube, and directly from product manufacturers sites, and then I did the math myself assuming reasonable, average conditions and taking steps to ensure I was not being idealistic.

For solar, I only used the 6 peak hours of the day, even though technically the other hours do in fact provide some energy, but I figure on average this is probably offset by "bad" days such as clouds or whatever.

For wind, I assumed an average of only half of optimal wind speed for a wind turbine, which based on the formula for the power of wind in Watts, that is actually only 1/8th of the optimal power per turbine. So I'm assuming the turbine only averages 1/8th of optimum power. So that is far from idealistic.

Under optimal conditions, a modern wind turbine can actually pay for itself in about 3 or 4 months, but has an expected life of 30 or more years, believe it or not!

I assume the owner is either using all the electricity, or selling the electricity at the going rate for the region (for a big project,) which I used Louisiana's energy price rate which is actually lower than much of the nation.
I call Bravo Sierra on your info

Try this Link and this is for wind power if you like I can do solar for you
The absolute final total for the 2011 Atlantic Hurricane season.

19 named storms.
7 hurricanes.
4 major hurricanes.

Also, of note Katia got bumped to 140 mph.

Final ACE score = 121.

Damages >12.2 billion.
Loss of life = 100 direct, 14 indirect.
Am I the only one here who can't stand winter? Sheesh.
Quoting nymore:
I call Bravo Sierra on your info

Try this Link and this is for wind power if you like I can do solar for you


EDIT::

ALMOST
Anything found on Wikipedia cannot be trusted, and has absolutely no credibility in a scientific debate.....
TAWX13 come out from hiding.
Quoting WxGeekVA:


Anything found on Wikipedia cannot be trusted, and has absolutely no credibility in a scientific debate.....

Not true.

Quoting washingtonian115:
TAWX13 come out from hiding.


I'm not in hiding.
Quoting WxGeekVA:


Anything found on Wikipedia cannot be trusted, and has absolutely no credibility in a scientific debate.....


It does if the sources they cite are valid ones.
Quoting WxGeekVA:


Anything found on Wikipedia cannot be trusted, and has absolutely no credibility in a scientific debate.....
The hurricane articles are pretty trust worthy especially since some people from here write them.Don't know about other sections.
Quoting WxGeekVA:


Anything found on Wikipedia cannot be trusted, and has absolutely no credibility in a scientific debate.....


SOme tings on wiki cant. other things can. Like info on a storm CAN. lol. Or when I googled when the next Creed album was coming out got promising results :)
Quoting WxGeekVA:


Anything found on Wikipedia cannot be trusted, and has absolutely no credibility in a scientific debate.....


What are you talking about? Wikipedia is your god. Cherish it! Worthless human, you are denying the power of your new god!
I got an F on an English paper for using Wikipedia as a source, and I'll never go back and trust it again....
Quoting WxGeekVA:


EDIT::

ALMOST
Anything found on Wikipedia cannot be trusted, and has absolutely no credibility in a scientific debate.....


The dude's learning.
Quoting WxGeekVA:


EDIT::

ALMOST
Anything found on Wikipedia cannot be trusted, and has absolutely no credibility in a scientific debate.....


Not true. The vast majority of pages cite references to the sources for their information. Any page that doesn't is one you need to be wary of, and are often marked up [citation needed] markers.
Quoting Xyrus2000:


Any page that doesn't is one you need to be wary of, and are often marked up [citation needed] markers.


But sometimes they aren't. I'd argue those are the ones you have to be wary of.
Quoting WxGeekVA:
I got an F on an English paper for using Wikipedia as a source, and I'll never go back and trust it again....


aw man...well usually during a quiz er test in my work i go to wiki.answers for some science and history stuff.

And no, im not cheating. mom said i could use internet for help:D but i may have exaggerated the help a bit..lol
Quoting WxGeekVA:
I got an F on an English paper for using Wikipedia as a source, and I'll never go back and trust it again....


That's what's known as throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

Without further context of the assignment and what it was about, there's no way to tell whether you deserved the grade or not. That being said, in my experience it has often been the case that an F is usually earned.
Tomorrow is friday!!!!!

Little note,those are some nice T-storms forming just to the est of the Appalachians.
The Law of Accelerating Returns
March 7, 2001 by Ray Kurzweil

The first technological steps-sharp edges, fire, the wheel took tens of thousands of years. For people living in this era, there was little noticeable technological change in even a thousand years. By 1000 A.D., progress was much faster and a paradigm shift required only a century or two. In the nineteenth century, we saw more technological change than in the nine centuries preceding it. Then in the first twenty years of the twentieth century, we saw more advancement than in all of the nineteenth century. Now, paradigm shifts occur in only a few years time. The World Wide Web did not exist in anything like its present form just a few years ago; it didn't exist at all a decade ago.
Quoting KoritheMan:


But sometimes they aren't. I'd argue those are the ones you have to be wary of.


If you're looking at controversial pages (politics) or ones that are not frequented all that often, you may find some. In my personal experience I've very rarely encountered them.

In general, you should always use more than one source for information, even if it contradicts your purpose/research/opinion.
105:

You're free to believe what you want.

larger units are exponentially more cost-effective for wind turbines.

I'm not talking about some back yard lawn ornament. I'm talking about the cutting edge 10mw systems.

The cost of the COAL required to make the energy this thing makes in ONE year is more than the cost of the turbine.

And just for example, if you had an ideal diesel generator making electricity and you ran it non-stop for a year, it would require 325,785 gallons of fuel to make 1.25mw of power non-stop for the entire year.

The price of diesel is almost $4 per gallon, which means that even with an ideal combustion engine and ideal generator, the fuel cost to make that much energy is close to $1,300,000 per year.

The highest existing real-world efficiency in a diesel combustion engine is currently around 50% on a super-tanker, which means your fuel cost alone is at least double the ideal, bringing it to $2,600,000, for one year, which already exceeds the cost of the 10mw wind turbine I had in mind by a factor of about 10%.

Basicly makes little difference what type of fossil fuel you use, the final price ends up being within about a factor of 50% from one to another on a cost-per-unit energy basis, and depending on time of year, etc.

For coal max efficiency is actually around 41% in the most advanced systems, btw.

You can do some research yourself, but it's true.

Take the maximum energy value of the fuel per unit. Take the price per unit, assume an ideal machine running for a year, divide by the efficiency coefficient of the real-world system. You can even ignore additional maintenance and labor costs for the sake of argument.

The wind turbine at 1/8th of the design production capacity will beat any fossil fuel cost for cost, even ignoring the purchase price of the combustion engines and turbines used in the fossil fuel system.
Quoting Patrap:
The Law of Accelerating Returns
March 7, 2001 by Ray Kurzweil

The first technological steps-sharp edges, fire, the wheel took tens of thousands of years. For people living in this era, there was little noticeable technological change in even a thousand years. By 1000 A.D., progress was much faster and a paradigm shift required only a century or two. In the nineteenth century, we saw more technological change than in the nine centuries preceding it. Then in the first twenty years of the twentieth century, we saw more advancement than in all of the nineteenth century. Now, paradigm shifts occur in only a few years time. The World Wide Web did not exist in anything like its present form just a few years ago; it didn't exist at all a decade ago.


But with all the good that comes from technological advancement, comes the ability to execute billions of people within a year. Thus, I wonder what is better? Rapid technological advancement or slower advancement?

The only reason why 60 million people died in WW2 was because of the industrial revolution. If it wasn't for that revolution, I doubt that the war would've happened.
Quoting KoritheMan:
Am I the only one here who can't stand winter? Sheesh.


No, I don't do anything under 70 deg. If I never see snow again, I'll be happy.
Quoting Xyrus2000:


That's what's known as throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

Without further context of the assignment and what it was about, there's no way to tell whether you deserved the grade or not. That being said, in my experience it has often been the case that an F is usually earned.


It was specifically because the information I got from Wikipedia was inaccurate. I can post a picture copy if you want..
Quoting RTSplayer:
105:

You're free to believe what you want.

larger units are exponentially more cost-effective for wind turbines.

I'm not talking about some back yard lawn ornament. I'm talking about the cutting edge 10mw systems.

The cost of the COAL required to make the energy this thing makes in ONE year is more than the cost of the turbine.

And just for example, if you had an ideal diesel generator making electricity and you ran it non-stop for a year, it would require 325,785 gallons of fuel to make 1.25mw of power non-stop for the entire year.

The price of diesel is almost $4 per gallon, which means that even with an ideal combustion engine and ideal generator, the fuel cost to make that much energy is close to $1,300,000 per year.

The highest existing real-world efficiency in a diesel combustion engine is currently around 50% on a super-tanker, which means your fuel cost alone is at least double the ideal, bringing it to $2,600,000, for one year, which already exceeds the cost of the 10mw wind turbine I had in mind by a factor of about 10%.

Basicly makes little difference what type of fossil fuel you use, the final price ends up being within about a factor of 50% from one to another on a cost-per-unit energy basis, and depending on time of year, etc.

For coal max efficiency is actually around 41% in the most advanced systems, btw.

You can do some research yourself, but it's true.

Take the maximum energy value of the fuel per unit. Take the price per unit, assume an ideal machine running for a year, divide by the efficiency coefficient of the real-world system. You can even ignore additional maintenance and labor costs for the sake of argument.

The wind turbine at 1/8th of the design production capacity will beat any fossil fuel cost for cost, even ignoring the purchase price of the combustion engines and turbines used in the fossil fuel system.
That is not my claim the link is to Iowa State. Please give us your sources for information.
Early June is the best time of year.
This kind of just blew my mind. I look over at the southern hemisphere and see....a tropical cyclone developing over northern central Australia? This system has actually become more well-defined with a lower central pressure but has been tracking over land for over 24 hours now.



"We can't see in advance the technological pathway the Singularity will follow. But it's possible to toss out broad scenarios, such as "A smarter-than-human AI absorbs all unused computing power on the then-existent Internet in a matter of hours; uses this computing power and smarter-than-human design ability to crack the protein folding problem for artificial proteins in a few more hours; emails separate rush orders to a dozen online peptide synthesis labs, and in two days receives via FedEx a set of proteins which, mixed together, self-assemble into an acoustically controlled nanodevice which can build more advanced nanotechnology." This is not a smarter-than-human solution; it is a human imagining how to throw a magnified, sped-up version of human design abilities at the problem. There are admittedly initial difficulties facing a superfast mind in a world of slow human technology, but a smarter-than-human mind would patiently find ways to work around them."
133. j2008
Quoting Levi32:
This kind of just blew my mind. I look over at the southern hemisphere and see....a tropical cyclone developing over northern central Australia? This system has actually become more well-defined with a lower central pressure but has been tracking over land for over 24 hours now.



Glad I wasnt the only one to see that, if it can hold itself together it might become a TC when it emerges off the coast of Queensland. I'll keep my eyes on it, Iggy looks to promise a bit of power if/when the shear backs off.
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Quoting Grothar:


No, I don't do anything under 70 deg. If I never see snow again, I'll be happy.


You know it's snowed in South Florida in your lifetime?
Quoting caneswatch:


You know it's snowed in South Florida in your lifetime?


Grothar's probably old enough to have experienced south Florida's first ever snow. ;)
Quoting KoritheMan:


Grothar's probably old enough to have experienced south Florida's first ever snow. ;)


Oh so many years ago :)
Quoting KoritheMan:
Am I the only one here who can't stand winter? Sheesh.


Lol. You're not alone there. :)
NWS confirms four tornadoes in Wednesday's storms


The National Weather Service confirms that four tornadoes touched down in Tyler, Hardin and Jasper Counties Wednesday.

Roger Erickson of the National Weather Service in Lake Charles says a category EF1 tornado touched down near the Kirbyville airport and traveled nearly 3 miles on the ground, ripping the roof off a home and damaging another building.

Erickson also confirmed three EF0 tornadoes:

One touched down and traveled approximately 2 miles southwest of Village Mills.

Another tornado was spotted in the community of Erin, which is 11 miles south of Jasper.

A fourth tornado touched down 2 miles south of Fred, near Highway 92. Erickson says that storm destroyed a garage and blew away a carport.
Severe Weather, Flooding, and Tornadoes Hit the
Four State Region on January 25, 2012


A strong storm system affected the Four State Region beginning during the late evening hours of January 24, 2012, before exiting the area during the evening hours of January 25, 2012. A strong cold front and suface low pressure approached the region during the morning of January 25. The slow-moving system produced widespread heavy rain across much of the area that has helped to ease drought conditions somewhat. The heaviest rain fell across portions of extreme northeast Texas and southeast Oklahoma where rainfall amounts of up to 4" were reported. Farther south, a line of strong to severe thunderstorms developed and affected much of east Texas and northwest/north central Louisiana south of Interstate 20. There were a few reports of damaging straight-line winds. However, a few storms produced tornadoes across Deep East Texas and west central Louisiana. Storm surveys were conducted on January 26 to evaluate the damage that occurred. Below is a preliminary report from the findings of the survey. The report is presented in chronological order. Click here to see a Google Map of confirmed tornado tracks. More information may be added to this page in the coming days as it becomes available.

TOTAL TORNADO COUNT = 3

EF-0 = 2
EF-1 = 1


JANUARY 25, 2012

Location: Mount Enterprise, TX
Rating: EF1
Maximum Estimated Wind Speed: 85-95 mph
Time: 10:32 AM CST through 10:34 AM CST
Maximum Width: 175 yds
Length: 1.5 miles
Injuries: 1
Fatalities: 0

Details: An EF1 tornado touched down just southwest of town along CR 3207 south of Gatlin Cemetery Road where several large trees were snapped and uprooted. One large tree fell onto a house causing significant roof damage. The tornado continued east-northeast paralleling Henderson Street where a carport was torn off a house with some of the debris striking and injuring a person standing outside the home. Several other trees were snapped and uprooted along Henderson Street and CR 3204. The tornado crossed Highway 259 where a portion of a roof was blown off a small retail building and across the street into the parking lot of a gas station and fast food restaurant. The tornado continued east-northeast along Angelina Street uprooting and snapping trees as well as blowing shingles off of houses. The tornado crossed Highway 84 west of CR 3198 and lifted just west of CR 3195. Maximum wind speeds are estimated at 85-95 mph.



Location: 11 miles NE of Mount Enterprise, TX
Rating: EF0
Maximum Estimated Wind Speed: 65-75 mph
Time: 10:47 AM CST through 10:56 AM CST
Maximum Width: 100 yds
Length: 6.5 miles
Injuries: 0
Fatalities: 0

Details: An EF0 tornado touched down along Highway 315 approximately 11 miles northeast of Mount Enterprise, TX, where a few trees were snapped. The tornado continued east-northeast crossing CR 164 where several trees were snapped or uprooted, including one next to a home and another across CR 164 from the home. The tornado continued northeast from Rusk County into Panola County and crossed CR 163 where several more trees were snapped and uprooted. The tornado lifted before reaching CR 160. Maximum wind speeds are estimated at 65-75 mph.



Location: Near Peason, LA
Rating: EF0
Maximum Estimated Wind Speed: 65-75 mph
Time: 2:05 PM CST through 2:30 PM CST
Maximum Width: 150 yds
Length: 2.3 miles
Injuries: 0
Fatalities: 0

Details: An EF0 tornado touched down in Sabine Parish northwest of Peason near the intersection of Bridges Road and Highway 118. The tornado tracked southeast, generally prallel to Highway 118. Damage consisted monstly of numerous tree branches being snapped. Near the intersection of Highway 118 and Peason Road, several outbuildings suffered roof damage. Two chicken houses had portions of their metal roofs completely removed and other sections had the metal peeled back. The owner of the property reported that he heard the tornado. The tornado continued southeast causing sporadic tree damage before lifitng along Highway 118 near the Sabine/Natchitoches Parish Line. The maximum wind speeds are estimated at 65-75 mph.

Quoting AtHomeInTX:


Lol. You're not alone there. :)


I dont hate winter..but i hate jeans. i hate coats. i prefer a thunderstorm rather then snow. although my Labrodor pup would say the EXACT opposite of me lol. She:

LOVES winter. LOVES snow. LOVES the cold(naturally)
you know i never realized I had the water temperature so hot in the shower until i stepped out into a stratus cloud xD
Quoting SPLbeater:


I in central NC. Its my birthday. dont tell me sever weather is POSSIBLY coming lol

If it does come...go up in sky and tell it to wait till saturday. my hand-held anemometer isnt here yet xD


Happy Birthday SPL.
Good to see you Levi,

Soo... i see they decided on upgrading Rina after all.
With that info, after all the tweaking and upgrading hopefully i can say these are the finals of 2011:
20 Cyclones
19 Named Storms(18, 1 unnamed)
7 Hurricanes(Nate upgraded, 6 previous)
4 Major Hurricanes(Rina upgraded, 3 previous)

^ - Ugraded
' - Tweaked
* - My forecasted for retirement


Arlene: 65 Mph, 993 MB ; 18 Deaths, 4 Indirect
Bret' : 70 Mph, 995 MB ; 0 Fatalities
Cindy' : 70 Mph, 994 MB ; 0 Fatalities
Don: 50 Mph, 997 MB ; 0 Fatalities
Emily: 50 Mph, 1003 MB ; 4 Deaths, 1 Indirect
Franklin: 45 Mph, 1004 MB ; 0 Fatalities
Gert' : 65 Mph, 1000 MB ; 0 Fatalities
Harvey' : 65 Mph, 994 MB ; 3 Fatalities
Irene* : 120 Mph, 942 MB ; 49 Deaths, 7 Indirect
Jose: 45 Mph, 1006 MB ; 0 Fatalities
Katia' : 140 Mph, 942 MB ; 4 Deaths
Unnamed: 45 Mph, 1002 MB ; 0 Fatalities
Lee* : 60 Mph, 986 MB ; 18 Deaths
Maria: 80 Mph, 983 MB ; 0 Fatalities
Nate^ : 75 Mph, 994 MB ; 4 Deaths, 1 Indirect
Ophelia: 140 Mph, 940 MB ; 0 Fatalities
Philippe: 90 Mph, 976 MB ; 0 Fatalities
Rina^ : 115 Mph, 966 MB ; 0 Fatalities
Sean: 65 Mph, 982 MB ; 1 Indirect Death

128:

A tad complicated, since some of it is referencial, and some of it is my own calculations and approximations. I haven't exactly written a formal paper on that you know, just personal OCD tinkering.

Most quick search links find the cash price of Coal is between $100 to $110 per ton.

See below. This already proves my point, even if the price is much higher, which it is in some cases.

Price of Coal Per ton

and

"Only about 40 percent of the thermal energy in coal is converted to electricity. So the electricity generated per ton of coal is 0.4 x 6,150 kWh or 2,460 kWh/ton."

Energy in a Ton of Coal

Ok, just for clarity, 2460kwh/ton would require 4451 tons of coal to equal the net energy of the 10mw turbine, assuming 1/8th capacity.

In this case, That actually comes to $445,000 per year for fuel alone for coal to make the same amount of Joules of energy per year. This is not the price the electric company sells energy to you. You actually pay about two or three times this price in most cases.

However, with coal you need to pay for the costs of the plant itself, just like any system, as well as labor and maintenance, which is very high due to it being a high temperature process with much pollution and corrosion.


At any rate, the best way to save money on green energy is to own your won system, because you get the energy at cost, which is automatically better than paying for someone else.

That being the case, solar is probably best for private system.

Also, the price of solar PV is probably going down by a factor of at least 5 to 10 over the next few years. Several recent advancements which are actually marketable have recently been made.

Of course, the biggest way to cut your own residential energy bill is direct solar water heater, which will reduce your total energy costs by around 1/6th to 1/3rd.

Information is out there, you just have to look for it.
Couldn't find what I was looking for when someone mentioned solar cycles and hurricanes the other day. But this was interesting.

An unexpected connection between solar cycles and hurricane frequency

The discussion on possible connections between global warming and increased in tropical cyclone activity has focused ocean surface temperatures. This study raises the issue of the influence of the natural cycle of sunspots on tropical storm and hurricane intensity and frequency. The authors investigated the relationship between the solar cycle and the intensity of tropical cyclones over the Caribbean and the Gulf of Mexico and found that during the height of the solar cycle, the lower stratosphere warms due to the absorption of more ultraviolet radiation in the production of ozone. This stratospheric warming could limit conditions for the development and intensification of tropical cyclones. In the case of hurricanes specifically, they identified a relationship with the solar activity that explains a significant portion of the interannual variability in hurricane frequency along the US coast after accounting for oceanic heat, shear, and steering. These results are certain to stimulate further research on understanding the natural variability of tropical storm and hurricane activity the potential consequences of global warming frequency and intensity.

Source: Elsner, J.B., and T.H. Jagger. 2008. United States and Caribbean tropical cyclone activity related to the solar cycle. GRL Vol.35, LI8705, doi:10,1029/2008GL034431.
134:

There's actually a hell of a lot more rigor and review of Wikipedia articles than there is for World Book or some other physical encyclopedia, or even disk encyclopedias.

Where else are you going to find an article with 130 linked references, AND a discussion page where anyone can point out exceptional cases or controversial references?

Encarta sucked, BTW. Haven't used it in years, so maybe it's been improved. Except maybe biographies and one or two stray articles, it was never that great.
I see wind turbine blades going north on I45 in Houston. At least someone is making money on manufacturing them.
Quoting AtHomeInTX:
Couldn't find what I was looking for when someone mentioned solar cycles and hurricanes the other day. But this was interesting.

An unexpected connection between solar cycles and hurricane frequency

The discussion on possible connections between global warming and increased in tropical cyclone activity has focused ocean surface temperatures. This study raises the issue of the influence of the natural cycle of sunspots on tropical storm and hurricane intensity and frequency. ...

Masters discussed this once on this blog.
And FWIW this. Wonder if it's been right since they wrote it in 1993.

THE PREDICTION OF TROPICAL CYCLONES OR NO TROPICAL CYCLONES BY MEANS OF THE SOLAR CYCLONE STRIKE INDEX

BY: Jill F. Hasling and John C. Freeman, Ph.D
Weather Research Center - Houston, Texas
December 1993

ABSTRACT: The development of the Solar Cyclone Strike Index (SCSI) is based on the premise that the phenomenon that causes the sunspot cycle on the Sun has a similar effect on the large scale circulation patterns of the Earth which in turn could be reflected in the tracks of North Atlantic tropical cyclones. To investigate this premise, the sunspot cycle is used as a tool to develop an index. The Atlantic and Gulf of Mexico coastlines have been arbitrarily divided into zones and the crossing of the coast of tropical storms and hurricanes in each year has been designated a "strike". The year of the minimum in the solar cycle is designated as the first Phase of the SCSI. The first year after the sunspot minimum is Phase 2, up until the next sunspot minimum. Ten and half cycles were studied to determine the probability of a strike in each coastal zone. These probabilities were grouped by the phases and make up the SCSI.

The probabilities of a strike or no strike that were greater than 60% and more than one standard deviation from the mean were taken as phases and locations where a tropical cyclone would be forecasted to strike or not to strike. The probabilities of the index were tested with pure chance indices to test the stability of the SCSI. These pure chance indices never verified as close as the model.

1.0 INTRODUCTION

The study of sunspots and weather is at least a hundred years old as indicated in a paper by Bigelow (1903, 1904). Research on relationships between the sunspot cycle and hurricanes was first carried out by Willett (1951). Willet's writing prior to 1955, predicted, correctly, that the 30 year period 1959 to 1990 would have a relatively small number of hurricanes in the North Atlantic ocean. Nielson (1993) in a recent article on Hurd Willett stated

First, Willett forecast that by 1965 tropical storms would cease to trouble the East Coast, unlike the spate of deadly and destructive hurricanes that had begu with the famous New England Hurricane of 1938 and had continued through 1955 when three tropical storms caused 150 deaths in the northeast. The storms would return to tracks along the Carribbean and open Atlantic to dissipate on all but "rare occassions".

This is an example of a successful long range forecast of tropical cyclone activity based on sunspot cycles. Willet (1973) also found that the 11-year sunspot cycle is more related to the climate in the tropics than the 22 year Hale Cycle. Cohen and Sweetster (1977) showed that there is a statistical relation between the power spectrum of the sunspot cycle and the number of tropical cyclones and the length of the Atlantic season.

The most convincing evidence that the general circulation of the atmosphere could be related to the sunspot cycle was found by Labitzke and Van Loon (1987). They showed that the solar cycle correlated highly with the general circulation depending on the phase of the quasi-biennial- oscillation (QBO). When the QBO was in the phase of west winds at the equator, the high altitude temperature at the north pole was in phase with the solar cycle with a correlation coefficient of 0.76. When the QBO was in the east phase, the temperature in the north polar region was negatively correlated with the solar cycle with a coefficient of -0.45. The overall correlation coefficient between the temperature and the sunspot cycle was 0.15. These two papers give a scientific basis to the premise that the sunspots are coincident with changes in the general circulation of the Earth's atmosphere.

The fact that changes in the general circulation have an effect on hurricane statistics has been pointed out by Gray(1989), namely the biennial oscillation's effect on hurricane and the effect of the existence of El Nino Southern Oscillation (ENSO) on hurricanes. Gray started seasonal hurricane forecasting in 1984, inspired by his example and convinced that there was a long term trend in tropical cyclones on the North Atlantic coast, the authors began research on this problem, in late 1985.

Link
Quoting bappit:

Masters discussed this once on this blog.


Ah. Lol. Wished that would've come up on my search. Thanks. :)
Quoting RTSplayer:
128:

A tad complicated, since some of it is referencial, and some of it is my own calculations and approximations. I haven't exactly written a formal paper on that you know, just personal OCD tinkering.

Most quick search links find the cash price of Coal is between $100 to $110 per ton.

See below. This already proves my point, even if the price is much higher, which it is in some cases.

Price of Coal Per ton

and

"Only about 40 percent of the thermal energy in coal is converted to electricity. So the electricity generated per ton of coal is 0.4 x 6,150 kWh or 2,460 kWh/ton."

Energy in a Ton of Coal

Ok, just for clarity, 2460kwh/ton would require 4451 tons of coal to equal the net energy of the 10mw turbine, assuming 1/8th capacity.

In this case, That actually comes to $445,000 per year for fuel alone for coal to make the same amount of Joules of energy per year. This is not the price the electric company sells energy to you. You actually pay about two or three times this price in most cases.

However, with coal you need to pay for the costs of the plant itself, just like any system, as well as labor and maintenance, which is very high due to it being a high temperature process with much pollution and corrosion.


At any rate, the best way to save money on green energy is to own your won system, because you get the energy at cost, which is automatically better than paying for someone else.

That being the case, solar is probably best for private system.

Also, the price of solar PV is probably going down by a factor of at least 5 to 10 over the next few years. Several recent advancements which are actually marketable have recently been made.

Of course, the biggest way to cut your own residential energy bill is direct solar water heater, which will reduce your total energy costs by around 1/6th to 1/3rd.

Information is out there, you just have to look for it.
You say coal is 100 to 110 dollars per ton. Well NYMEX says coal for February delivery is $61.33 per ton. Now with this info how could I doubt you know what no one else in the world knows

You say solar is the best source for a private system. I am going with hydro power
Observe Wikipedia at work:

Graphene Article

187 references and counting.

Honestly, about half this article is completely over my head, but I know enough to realize how revolutionary this material really is, and can imagine quite a few applications that would be totally impossible with any other material.

At any rate, finding a resource that gets updated this often with this many references would be impossible without Wikipedia.
Quoting Levi32:
This kind of just blew my mind. I look over at the southern hemisphere and see....a tropical cyclone developing over northern central Australia? This system has actually become more well-defined with a lower central pressure but has been tracking over land for over 24 hours now.





That is an interesting little feature.
155. j2008
Funso, Most definatly scary looking , and with that I leave you tonight. Hope Iggy doesnt pull something overnight.
152:

I searched for the price in several different ways and multiple articles listed that price range.

World Wide.

Indonesia

and

Australia

and

Czech (74 Euro)

1 dollar = 0.7645 Euro

74 Euro = $96.80

World markets prices.
Quoting AtHomeInTX:


Happy Birthday SPL.


Thanks! Its been a nice one:D
Weeell...its bed time. goodnight all. been a nice day as i enter another year blessed by the Lord. be back tomorrow morning!
Funso has lasted a week at this point, and Iggy seems like it's in no hurry to dissipate. While it is still a bit too early to jump to conclusions, it makes one wonder if 2012 won't see a reversal of the globally low ACE trend we've seen since 2007.
SH082012 - Tropical Cyclone (>=96 kt) FUNSO

Enhanced Infrared (IR) Imagery (4 km Mercator)/loop

Click image for Loop

Not bad for January


Quoting yqt1001:


But with all the good that comes from technological advancement, comes the ability to execute billions of people within a year. Thus, I wonder what is better? Rapid technological advancement or slower advancement?

The only reason why 60 million people died in WW2 was because of the industrial revolution. If it wasn't for that revolution, I doubt that the war would've happened.


The industrial revolution made it possible for modern food production, preservation, and transport, as well as medicine.

This pushed world population to it's existing 7 billion.

Now 54 million people die every year from some combination of mostly old age, flu, cold, pneumonia, and heart attack, but at least nobody ever catches polio or smallpox.

Everyone worries about WW3, but it's already WW2 every year! Hitler killed millions. Viruses, bacteria, and our own telomeres kill tens of billions.

They had this park ranger one time a few years ago, found a dead cat and wondered why it died. So he did a necropsy on it. Turned out it spewed a rare, surviving strain of the bubonic plaque on him and he died a few days later.

I guess curiosity really did kill the cat.

True story, saw it on Discovery or maybe National Geographic.

Point is, people die every day now in numbers rivaling WW2, and for no real reason.
164. skook
odds this makes it to the coast?

165. skook
HAZARDOUS WEATHER OUTLOOK...CORRECTED
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE TAMPA BAY RUSKIN FL
550 PM EST THU JAN 26 2012

FLZ039-042-043-048>052-055>057-060>062-065-271130 -
LEVY-CITRUS-SUMTER-HERNANDO-PASCO-PINELLAS-HILLSB OROUGH-POLK-
MANATEE-HARDEE-HIGHLANDS-SARASOTA-DE SOTO-CHARLOTTE-LEE-
550 PM EST THU JAN 26 2012

THIS HAZARDOUS WEATHER OUTLOOK IS FOR WEST CENTRAL AND SOUTHWEST
FLORIDA.

.DAY ONE...TONIGHT.

...THUNDERSTORM IMPACT...
A LINE OF SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS NOW ACROSS THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE
AND EXTENDING SOUTH INTO THE CENTRAL GULF OF MEXICO EARLY THIS
EVENING WILL CONTINUE TO MOVE EAST OVERNIGHT. THIS LINE OF STORMS
WILL APPROACH AND BEGIN TO IMPACT THE NATURE COAST FROM HERNANDO
COUNTY NORTH TO LEVY COUNTY BETWEEN MIDNIGHT AND 2 AM EST...WITH
THIS LINE OF SHOWERS AND STORMS THEN SPREADING SOUTHEAST ACROSS
THE CENTRAL FLORIDA AND THE TAMPA BAY AREA TOWARD SUNRISE ON FRIDAY
MORNING...THEN MOVING INTO SOUTHWEST FLORIDA DURING MID TO LATE
MORNING ON FRIDAY. SOME STORMS COULD BE STRONG WITH HEAVY RAIN...GUSTY
WINDS TO 40 TO 50 MPH...AND CLOUD TO GROUND LIGHTNING STRIKES AS
THEY MOVE INTO THE REGION EARLY FRIDAY MORNING. THERE IS THE
POTENTIAL FOR A FEW STORMS TO BECOME SEVERE WITH DAMAGING WINDS
OR AN ISOLATED TORNADO OR WATERSPOUT FROM THE TAMPA BAY AREA NORTH.
Hello, Rook!
Forecasters might want to change the whole "stronger storms in the north" wording. I know thats protocol with winter cold fronts but not this time at all. The line is collapsing further to the north and intensifying further south.


My only hope is that the heavier convection in the southern gulf will be pulled up here in Central Florida. We can't rule it out, because the line is slowing way down.

The heavier convection you see in the southern gulf is being caused by a plume of very deep tropical moisture and higher instability there. Well that is being pulled north ahead of the front. Us Central Floridians must place hope in that surge making it here before the pre-frontal trough makes it through.
great post jed... i just checked the radar before bed and had to double take at the energy pluming south....wild! Still not getting my hopes up too much. they rarely make it with any punch
Quoting Buhdog:
great post jed... i just checked the radar before bed and had to double take at the energy pluming south....wild! Still not getting my hopes up too much. they rarely make it with any punch


Yeah during La Nina years anyway like we have had for a while now. El Nino is like an all different story together. I wish we always had the El Nino pattern in place here. It means much more active winters and springs in both rainfall and strong thunderstorms. It also generally means less hurricanes.

Seriously, larger amounts of strong storms, less drought and less hurricanes? That's my ideal weather pattern if you ask me as a Floridian. I love strong thunderstorms and crazy weather events, but hurricanes are just too destructive. I hate drought.
Quoting yqt1001:


What are you talking about? Wikipedia is your god. Cherish it! Worthless human, you are denying the power of your new god!


american gods: sex, money, and alcohol
Quoting Jedkins01:


Yeah during La Nina years anyway like we have had for a while now. El Nino is like an all different story together. I wish we always had the El Nino pattern in place here. It means much more active winters and springs in both rainfall and strong thunderstorms. It also generally means less hurricanes.

Seriously, larger amounts of strong storms, less drought and less hurricanes? That's my ideal weather pattern if you ask me as a Floridian. I love strong thunderstorms and crazy weather events, but hurricanes are just too destructive. I hate drought.
Quoting LargoFl:
2:50 am and its eerie outside,real humid and the air is so still, you can really feel, something is coming soon. radar has the line of storms just off the coast, alot of yellow and some red so it could get very interesting around here when it hits, weather service says a few storms could be strong with an isolated tornado or water spout imbedded in the line...going to stay awake for this one, im not all that far from the coast.
stay safe out there and good morning to all
Quoting LargoFl:
2:50 am and its eerie outside,real humid and the air is so still, you can really feel, something is coming soon. radar has the line of storms just off the coast, alot of yellow and some red so it could get very interesting around here when it hits, weather service says a few storms could be strong with an isolated tornado or water spout imbedded in the line...going to stay awake for this one, im not all that far from the coast.
stay safe out there and good morning to all


Plenty of heavy rain, occasional lightning and some gusty winds here. Nothing severe here but I'm not complaining because this line had almost completely fallen apart just an hour ago, that surge from the south helped to boost this line just as it came in off the coast. We should get a few good hours with a good steady rain ofter the initial burst here.
Quoting Jedkins01:


Plenty of heavy rain, occasional lightning and some gusty winds here. Nothing severe here but I'm not complaining because this line had almost completely fallen apart just an hour ago, that surge from the south helped to boost this line just as it came in off the coast. We should get a few good hours with a good steady rain ofter the initial burst here.
good morning jed, yeah we had some heavy rain and a few lightning boomers and no wind at all, glad that supposed 50 mph wind forecast didnt happen, just light rain now, guess its about over, plant city will be grateful for the rain i bet..have a great day


Thundering outside right now, are you all sure it's January?
It's pouring rain and headed up to a high of 52 here in the Hudson Valley... might as well be April.
This line of thunderstorms is going to strengthen quite quickly as it moves slowly towards my area. A combination of high wind shear, adequent CAPE, and instability will allow for a primarily Damaging wind and tornado threat.

Man...all i got was boring old rain...I want something exciting:(
Quoting nymore:
You say coal is 100 to 110 dollars per ton. Well NYMEX says coal for February delivery is $61.33 per ton. Now with this info how could I doubt you know what no one else in the world knows

You say solar is the best source for a private system. I am going with hydro power


I also looked at the uses of coal, Steam generation is another source.

If the Global Warming mongers would be upfront with their statistics their wouldn't be an argument.
Skewed facts lead me to believe their is an alternative agenda regarding Global warming. Some of these groups have connections with radical communist groups, radical muslim groups, anarchist groups,and other groups trying to destroy America, and the way America is run.
I've seen this from when I was in College way back in the 1970's to present day activities.
Do we have a global warming issue, YES! is it man made some, YES! is it totally the United States doing 70% of the pollution causing these issues, I don't think so. Many Socialist Countries in South America are destroying the Amazon forest, it affects weather, eco, and food for sea life. Yet most of the radical GW groups almost never protest those countries. The reason is because their socialist or communist.
Communist China rearly is protested by these groups, and their one of the biggest contributors to the so called man made issues.
So in closing, I feel better, not for America.
Lets stick to weather issues, I love weather, my job is reacting to what weather does to us, leave the politics to Washington, not this blog!
181:

A key issue is population growth rate: Irresponsible, immoral people still having 5 to 8 children per woman in many African and Mid-Eastern countries where they already have food shortages and over-population problems.

Naturally, when population goes up, you must clear more land for farming, since nobody bothers with the long-term investments needed for the more efficient hydroponics option.

As long as population goes up, we have to cut down rain forests or make massive multi-storied hydroponics farms. That fact wouldn't change easily even if we had a magic pill energy solution.

By the time world population hits the 9 billion projected mark, there probably won't be very many trees in South America or North America.
Quoting trunkmonkey:


I also looked at the uses of coal, Steam generation is another source.

If the Global Warming mongers would be upfront with their statistics their wouldn't be an argument.
Skewed facts lead me to believe their is an alternative agenda regarding Global warming. Some of these groups have connections with radical communist groups, radical muslim groups, anarchist groups,and other groups trying to destroy America, and the way America is run.
I've seen this from when I was in College way back in the 1970's to present day activities.
Do we have a global warming issue, YES! is it man made some, YES! is it totally the United States doing 70% of the pollution causing these issues, I don't think so. Many Socialist Countries in South America are destroying the Amazon forest, it affects weather, eco, and food for sea life. Yet most of the radical GW groups almost never protest those countries. The reason is because their socialist or communist.
Communist China rearly is protested by these groups, and their one of the biggest contributors to the so called man made issues.
So in closing, I feel better, not for America.
Lets stick to weather issues, I love weather, my job is reacting to what weather does to us, leave the politics to Washington, not this blog!


Please define socialism before you accuse any nation of the act.

Only Cuba, Laos and Vietnam are socialist nations.
North Korea is a communist/juche hybrid.
China is more capitalist than the US, but ran by the communist party.
In South America, socialism doesn't exist anymore.
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
This line of thunderstorms is going to strengthen quite quickly as it moves slowly towards my area. A combination of high wind shear, adequent CAPE, and instability will allow for a primarily Damaging wind and tornado threat.

stay safe up there and I am glad your aware of the threat,good luck, just saw some of the pics of the damage in alabama, man those tornado's are destructive
Quoting Jedkins01:


Yeah during La Nina years anyway like we have had for a while now. El Nino is like an all different story together. I wish we always had the El Nino pattern in place here. It means much more active winters and springs in both rainfall and strong thunderstorms. It also generally means less hurricanes.

Seriously, larger amounts of strong storms, less drought and less hurricanes? That's my ideal weather pattern if you ask me as a Floridian. I love strong thunderstorms and crazy weather events, but hurricanes are just too destructive. I hate drought.
Ewwwww but I love tracking hurricanes.If we had several hurricane season's like 09 I will commit suicide.
Quoting yqt1001:


Please define socialism before you accuse any nation of the act.

Only Cuba, Laos and Vietnam are socialist nations.
North Korea is a communist/juche hybrid.
China is more capitalist than the US, but ran by the communist party.
In South America, socialism doesn't exist anymore.


What have you been smoking, commrade?
Even my mother who is 68 is calling the weather whack.She called me a few minutes ago to talk about the thunder rumbling outside.Whooooooo a big one just hit.
Man, these storms are getting stronger and so is the wind. We have to have gusts over 45 mph now. It is literally howling outside right now.
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
Man, these storms are getting stronger and so is the wind. We have to have gusts over 45 mph now. It is literally howling outside right now.
The rain is comming down here heavy now.I'm seeing reds on the radar.
It's 66 on the back porch.

Another beautiful spring day here in central VA.

Oh, wait, spring is two months off. Yikes!
Quoting LargoFl:
good morning jed, yeah we had some heavy rain and a few lightning boomers and no wind at all, glad that supposed 50 mph wind forecast didnt happen, just light rain now, guess its about over, plant city will be grateful for the rain i bet..have a great day


Well they didn't say we would get 50 mph winds, its just the possibility existed fo there to be such winds. Keep in mind this is because we still had a solid low level jet in place, the problem is instability was too low. Why does that matter? Well convection was mostly elevated due to low instability, elevated convection immediately cuts off any chance of severe winds regardless of how the cell may look on radar.
Ham Weather updated their outlooks, and this is like twice as bad as it looked yesterday.

Outlook: HOT!

Anyone played Neverwinter Nights?

Ok, excuse the pun.
Quoting washingtonian115:
The rain is comming down here heavy now.I'm seeing reds on the radar.


Almost got hit by lightning a half an hour ago walking outside of school. Never had that happen before not in mid-summer....
Quoting Jedkins01:


american gods: sex, money, and alcohol


You forgot power.
Quoting RTSplayer:
Ham Weather updated their outlooks, and this is like twice as bad as it looked yesterday.

Outlook: HOT!

Anyone played Neverwinter Nights?

Ok, excuse the pun.


It's the opposite of Narnia.... Instead of 100 year winter, we have a 100 year summer.... Someone get rid of the Lion and bring back the White Witch...XD
Quoting WxGeekVA:


Almost got hit by lightning a half an hour ago walking outside of school. Never had that happen before not in mid-summer....
This is more like late May weather....I just wonder.What will Late May bring if we're already having these types of storms.
Quoting percylives:
It's 66 on the back porch.

Another beautiful spring day here in central VA.

Oh, wait, spring is two months off. Yikes!


Thunderstorms here in MD and 60. Definitely not the norm for the heart of winter here. Then again, this winter has been anything but normal.
InAccuweather has snow for the 5th, 6th, and 7th of February... Therefore, logic says it's not going to happen, because they are inaccurate, and the same kind of thing has been happening all winter and has never come true!!
Quoting WxGeekVA:
InAccuweather has snow for the 5th, 6th, and 7th of February... Therefore, logic says it's not going to happen, because they are inaccurate, and the same kind of thing has been happening all winter and has never come true!!

Exactly.
Quoting WxGeekVA:
InAccuweather has snow for the 5th, 6th, and 7th of February... Therefore, logic says it's not going to happen, because they are inaccurate, and the same kind of thing has been happening all winter and has never come true!!


According to the GFS model, snow and winter like weather are always 7 days away.
Quoting Xyrus2000:


According to the GFS model, snow and winter like weather are always 7 days away.


Amen.
Quoting trunkmonkey:


I also looked at the uses of coal, Steam generation is another source.

If the Global Warming mongers would be upfront with their statistics their wouldn't be an argument.
Skewed facts lead me to believe their is an alternative agenda regarding Global warming. Some of these groups have connections with radical communist groups, radical muslim groups, anarchist groups,and other groups trying to destroy America, and the way America is run.


Yes, the overwhelming majority of environmental/meteorological/climate agencies and organizations across the world are all radical communist Muslim anarchist groups trying to destroy America by inventing science. Seriously, that is so far beyond silly, you must have stopped being introspective completely.

At least it helps us further understand your point of view - it's not scientific or organized in a logical way, it's fear-mongering nonsense.
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
Man, these storms are getting stronger and so is the wind. We have to have gusts over 45 mph now. It is literally howling outside right now.


eh, SRM showing a few thin bands of moderate windspeeds inside some thunderstorms...wish i was in the middle of one...lol
Drove thru Bastrop, Cedar Creek and Niederwald Texas yesterday and what a trip seeing these areas flooded, same areas not too long ago that went through terrible fires but these areas all received 6 to 9 inches of rain. Sorry to those who got flooded but it was nice seeing water. Happy for the animals who now have plenty of water to drink around here.
0.01" here so far..might get double that. Not looking real hopeful. In my despair I will randomly address comments..
Quoting Xyrus2000:

You forgot power.

and drugs..

Quoting washingtonian115:
Ewwwww but I love tracking hurricanes.If we had several hurricane season's like 09 I will commit suicide.

I lived through that 'cane dry spell late 80s, early 90s. Actually backed out of heading to met school over the dry spell though. You'll live..
Quoting RTSplayer:

Point is, people die every day now in numbers rivaling WW2, and for no real reason.

Actually the industrial revolution made it possible for 1.3 million, last year alone to die from air pollution..
Quoting ScottLincoln:


Yes, the overwhelming majority of environmental/meteorological/climate agencies and organizations across the world are all radical communist Muslim anarchist groups trying to destroy America by inventing science. Seriously, that is so far beyond silly, you must have stopped being introspective completely.

At least it helps us further understand your point of view - it's not scientific or organized in a logical way, it's fear-mongering nonsense.


Do you know of the place where this doesn't happen?
It's not supposed to be discussed here, and I don't want a ban so I won't specifically name the place. If you look or ask around some, maybe you will find out...
Well i actually got a busy agenda todY!! here is plan cuz i wont be here much:D


* at 2100Z, goin to see the movie "Red Tails" in theatre

*2300z we eatin out at Pizza Hut

* After that, we gon back to my grandparents house to open presents n eat cake for my birthday yesterday! :D

Go Wunderground!!!!!!!
Trunkmonkey:

Try this Global Warming presentation.

It won't answer all your questions, but at least he takes the gloves off and explains just how complicated this science really is.

Catastrophic Climate Change & Runaway Global Warming - David Wasdell

This is from 2008.

Arctic Sea Ice volume has declined by another 3100 cubic KM since then, while Greenland's average rate of net melting has doubled...again.
The National Weather Service has now documented paths of destruction from at least 10 tornadoes in the outbreak of storms across central Alabama early Monday.

Recently completed surveys show that tornadoes struck in Perry and Chilton counties, including an EF-2 tornado that left a nearly 40-mile path of damage. The Maplesville tornado destroyed the sanctuary of the Historic Ephesus Church, tore apart trees in the Talladega National Forest and damaged homes and business just north of downtown Maplesville.

The weather service had previously documented eight other twisters across the state.

The deadliest twister in the storm outbreak was an EF-3 that struck in St. Clair and Jefferson County, where two people were killed and about 100 more were hurt. Forecasters say that storm had maximum winds estimated at 150 mph.
Quoting Grothar:


Hey, that was my little airplane set I used to play with in Mesopotamia.
Werent you a little old for plane sets then.? Thats alright, I still build a model a model plane once in a while. Hope you are well..
Quoting Xyrus2000:


Thunderstorms here in MD and 60. Definitely not the norm for the heart of winter here. Then again, this winter has been anything but normal.
This is true. We have a Tulip Poplar poppin tulips and daffodils growing. As it got dark last night , the temp actually rose to 62 degrees here.
Looking at my comments (1887) Im bored so found this:

Today, January 27th, is Vietnam day.

Today, on the 27th of January, 1887, Carl Blegen from Minneapolis,(was an archeologist) was born on this day .


Maybe Grothar knew him xD
O.O

I looked at the forecast today, and say a 7 and a 0 sitting beside each other! :D
This shows the numbers involved in the improving situation reports about E.Africa..

Because of the famine caused by the severe drought that has hit the area in the past 50 years, between 100 and 200 children under 5 years of age continue to die every day in the Horn of Africa. Despite the aid and assistance on behalf of various humanitarian organizations, the situation is getting worse, and last year between 35 000 and 65 000 children died. In the refugee camp in Dadaab, the largest in the world, in Kenya, the continuous influx of thousands of hungry children in poor sanitary conditions and fleeing from their native lands has caused disasters over the past two years in east Africa. The Department for International Development of the United Kingdom indicates that in 2011 there were between 50 thousand and 100 thousand deaths, of which over half of them were children. The U.S. government ensures that only from May to July 2011 29,000 minors died. NGOs Oxam and Save the Children, in the report recently published, A Dangerous Delay, reported that thousands of deaths could have been avoided if the international community, governments and humanitarian organizations, had responded more quickly to the problem. Furthermore, the rate of malnutrition in Somalia has increased from 16.4% to 36.4%. (AP) (Agenzia Fides 27/01/2012)

WU is still matching donations for this..
Funso said bye bye to its eyewall. and just about everything else on its northwest side xD
Quoting Skyepony:
0.01" here so far..might get double that. Not looking real hopeful. In my despair I will randomly address comments..

and drugs..


I lived through that 'cane dry spell late 80s, early 90s. Actually backed out of heading to met school over the dry spell though. You'll live..

Actually the industrial revolution made it possible for 1.3 million, last year alone to die from air pollution..
1988 thru 1990 was fairly active..jmo..........[First storm formed May 30, 1988
Last storm dissipated November 24, 1988
Strongest storm Gilbert 888 mbar (hPa) (26.23 inHg), 185 mph (295 km/h)
Total depressions 19
Total storms 12
Hurricanes 5
Major hurricanes (Cat. 3 ) 3
Total fatalities 550
Total damage $7 billion (1988 USD).............................................. .......First storm formed June 24, 1989
Last storm dissipated December 4, 1989
Strongest storm Hugo 918 mbar (hPa) (27.12 inHg), 160 mph (260 km/h)
Total depressions 15
Total storms 11
Hurricanes 7
Major hurricanes (Cat. 3 ) 2
Total fatalities 147
Total damage $10.74 billion (1989 USD).............................................. ...............Total depressions 16
Total storms 14
Hurricanes 8
Major hurricanes (Cat. 3 ) 1
Total fatalities 168
Total damage $150 million (1990 USD)........................Some notable ones were tiny Jerry that hit Texas in 89.....88,s Gilbert......
218. DDR
Good morning
The trade winds continue to bring in a lot of moisture to Trinidad and north eastern Venezuela,.5 inches of rain 9am this morning.
Quoting SPLbeater:
Funso said bye bye to its eyewall. and just about everything else on its northwest side xD



Hydrus~ You know how things are when your a teen.. if it's not hitting you it didn't happen. 70s early 80s seemed like we were playing in atleast a TD every other weekend. Erin made landfall here in early 90s & there was Andrew..They just seemed much less frequent than 70s/early 80s & late 90s-first 1/2 00s, atleast here in FL..
Quoting Skyepony:
Hydrus~ You know how things are when your a teen.. if it's not hitting you it didn't happen. Late 70s early 80s seemed like we were playing in atleast a TD every other weekend. Erin made landfall in here in '93 & there was Andrew..They just seemed much less frequent than 70s/early 80s & late 90s-first 1/2 00s, atleast here...
You are in east central Florida.?,,I was living in S.W.Florida in 70,s and 80,s. We had a lot of freak storms that did serious damage to the area. Notably the 1979, 1980 and 1981 squall lines. Alberto almost got us but fizzled. The 1982 " No-Name Storm " storm ..Here is the No Name after it moved out of the gulf into the Atlantic, And a pic of Albero.. The No Name wuz bad..
hydrus~Yeah~ECFL.. we had David in '79. Stood in awe in the eye. That's what I'm talking about though. Wasn't even thinking the squall lines with deadly outbreaks in the early '80s. That was freaky that baby in a tree, those trailer parks in the middle of the state...but good point..another thing that just made it all seem so active. Those viscous squall lines..late 90s more night pattern returned added to the drama of Floyd & the return of storms (most re-curving at the last moment at first) & that summer of fire...I hadn't forgot no-name. Thanks for digging up the pic.
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:





exactly. bye bye eyewall and everything on northwest side lol xD
Looks like things could get "interesting" in northwest WA by Monday.

Link
Quoting SPLbeater:
Looking at my comments (1887) Im bored so found this:

Today, January 27th, is Vietnam day.

Today, on the 27th of January, 1887, Carl Blegen from Minneapolis,(was an archeologist) was born on this day .


Maybe Grothar knew him xD


No, but his Grandfather was a nice man.
Remembering Apollo 1

On January 27, 1967, Apollo 1's crew--Virgil I. "Gus" Grissom, Edward H. White II and Roger B. Chaffee--was killed when a fire erupted in their capsule during testing. Apollo 1 was originally designated AS-204 but following the fire, the astronauts' widows requested that the mission be remembered as Apollo 1 and following missions would be numbered subsequent to the flight that never made it into space.




Image credit: NASA


Just weeks before, Gus Grissom had said in an interview:

"If we die, we want people to accept it. We're in a risky business ... The conquest of space is worth the risk of life."
Quoting Skyepony:
hydrus~Yeah~ECFL.. we had David in '79. Stood in awe in the eye. That's what I'm talking about though. Wasn't even thinking the squall lines with deadly outbreaks in the early '80s. That was freaky that baby in a tree, those trailer parks in the middle of the state...but good point..another thing that just made it all seem so active. Those viscous squall lines..late 90s more night pattern returned added to the drama of Floyd & the return of storms (most re-curving at the last moment at first) & that summer of fire...I hadn't forgot no-name. Thanks for digging up the pic.
We were on Lake O for David. It was quite vicious there..
Quoting Patrap:
Remembering Apollo 1

On January 27, 1967, Apollo 1's crew--Virgil I. "Gus" Grissom, Edward H. White II and Roger B. Chaffee--was killed when a fire erupted in their capsule during testing. Apollo 1 was originally designated AS-204 but following the fire, the astronauts' widows requested that the mission be remembered as Apollo 1 and following missions would be numbered subsequent to the flight that never made it into space.




Image credit: NASA


Just weeks before, Gus Grissom had said in an interview:

"If we die, we want people to accept it. We're in a risky business ... The conquest of space is worth the risk of life."
I was to little to remember this. During the moon shots, I remember them discussing the tragedy and feeling so sad about the way the died...Takes a brave soul to do there work.
man iz pourin outside!!

"Its raining, its pouring...hydrus is snoring...LOL"
Attention Wunderbloggers. We now have a positive PNA
Quoting Grothar:
Hello, Rook!


Hello, Grothar! ... Am I late? ... Again?
Quoting Patrap:
Remembering Apollo 1

On January 27, 1967, Apollo 1's crew--Virgil I. "Gus" Grissom, Edward H. White II and Roger B. Chaffee--was killed when a fire erupted in their capsule during testing. Apollo 1 was originally designated AS-204 but following the fire, the astronauts' widows requested that the mission be remembered as Apollo 1 and following missions would be numbered subsequent to the flight that never made it into space.




Image credit: NASA


Just weeks before, Gus Grissom had said in an interview:

"If we die, we want people to accept it. We're in a risky business ... The conquest of space is worth the risk of life."
'Twas a sad day. My father worked for and with NASA during the end of the Gemini program and the start of Apollo, and I actually got to meet both Grissom and White when I was a young child. The day of the fire was one of only about three on which I ever saw my dad cry.
where iz every1
Quoting Xyrus2000:


You forgot power.


that goes right along with money, lol
Quoting hydrus:
You are in east central Florida.?,,I was living in S.W.Florida in 70,s and 80,s. We had a lot of freak storms that did serious damage to the area. Notably the 1979, 1980 and 1981 squall lines. Alberto almost got us but fizzled. The 1982 " No-Name Storm " storm ..Here is the No Name after it moved out of the gulf into the Atlantic, And a pic of Albero.. The No Name wuz bad..


Yeah Florida overall has been pretty quiet severe weather wise no matter what way you look at things over the last several years even compared to how it was when we moved here in the 90's.
Quoting Jedkins01:


Yeah Florida overall has been pretty quiet severe weather wise no matter what way you look at things over the last several years even compared to how it was when we moved here in the 90's.
Quoting Jedkins01:


Yeah Florida overall has been pretty quiet severe weather wise no matter what way you look at things over the last several years even compared to how it was when we moved here in the 90's.
The most memorable 90,s storms for me were 1990,s T.S Marco, which was rather nasty out on Boca Grande. The June 1992 tropical depression, which dumped 25 inches of rain on us. Andrew of course. T.S Gordon in 94, which made a mess of our marina. 1995,s Erin, which made landfall twice, once as a cat-2.. 1998 Georges, which whacked the Keys, and 99,s Irene, which was a particularly vicious storm for South Florida..I had to post Irene because it made the sky the weirdest peach color before landfall...Very eerie
Quoting SPLbeater:
Attention Wunderbloggers. We now have a positive PNA
which means... something about the AO/NAO?