Katrina is gone

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 6:56 PM GMT on August 31, 2005

Katrina lost its tropical characteristics this morning and is no longer a tropical depression, just a regular low presssure system. She continues to dump 2 - 4 inches of rain along her path, and is a threat to bring minor flooding to northern New England today and tomorrow. Katrina-spawned tornadoes killed two in Georgia and damaged 13 homes in Marshall, Virginia yesterday, but the threat of tornadoes has diminished today. Katrina is no more, a blessing we can use right now!

Blessings are very hard to find in the catastrophe zones of Louisiana and Mississippi today. We are only just now beginning to hear from the areas that the calm of the eye passed over. Slidell, on the western side of the eye's passage, received a 15-foot storm surge. Only foundations are left of a large portion of the buildings, and the bridge to New Orleans is broken in multiple places, according to news reports. Pass Christian, unlucky holders of the U.S. record-highest storm surge of 24.7 feet from 1969's Hurricane Camille, received a 20-foot storm surge. The storm surge at nearby Bay St. Louis was 22 feet, and both areas have extensive areas of complete destruction.

Why did the New Orleans flood walls fail?
The 325-mile long series of flood walls and levees surrounding New Orleans were engineered to withstand the storm surge from a Category 3 hurricane. No Category 3 or higher hurricane has hit New Orleans in the past 150 years, a strange quirk one would not expect based on the pattern of hurricane strikes elsewhere along the Gulf Coast. New Orleans should get a Category 3 hurricane passing within 80 miles every 32 years, a Category 4 hurricane every 70 years, and a Category 5 hurricane every 180 years. However, the strongest hurricanes ever to hit the city were two Category 2 hurricanes--a 1893 hurricane that killed 2000, and Hurricane Betsy of 1965, which killed 75 and put parts of the city under 8 feet of water. Hurricane Camille, although it was a Category 5 hurricane and took almost the same track as Katrina, was a very small hurricane with hurricane force winds extending out only about 50 miles from the center. Camille brought 100 mph gusts to the eastern side of New Orleans. Katrina was a huge storm whose hurricane force winds extended a full 110 miles from the center, and probably brought 130 mph wind gusts to the same area. Katrina piled up a much larger storm surge wave onto the flood walls than Camille. According to the Army Corps of Engineers, "What failed were actually floodwalls, not levees. This was caused by overtopping which caused scouring, or an eating away of the earthen support, which then basically undermined the wall. These walls and levees were designed to withstand a fast moving category 3 hurricane. Katrina was a strong 4 at landfall, and conditions exceeded the design." The flood wall breaks lie along Lake Pontchartrain, whose water is 4.5 feet above sea level. Thus, since New Orleans lies 6 feet below sea level, we can expect the city to flood to a depth of at least 10 feet.

I highly recommend reading an October 2001 article from Scientific American, titled: Drowning New Orleans, to learn more about the vulnerabilities of the levee system.

The tropics today
The most significant threat in the tropics I can see is the potential this weekend for a tropical depression to develop in the coastal waters surrounding Florida. This is the same location that Katrina developed. However, this time the development might come at the tail end of a cold front that is expected to push off of the East Coast, instead of from a tropical wave. If a depression does form in this area, the possible track is impossible to guess at this point.

Tropical Depression 13 is nothing to worry about, as it is over the open Atlantic Ocean and heading out to sea. The well-organized wave 1300 miles east of the Lesser Antilles will probably become Tropical Depression 14 in the next day or two, but it is probably too far north to threaten any land areas. This system will probably recurve out to sea. The tropical wave that pushed off of the coast of Africa yesterday and is now south of the Cape Verdes Islands has some potential for development later in the week, and the GFS model projects that this wave will become a hurricane and a potential threat to the Leeward Islands a week or so from now.

On August 19, I posted the image below showing a long-range forecast for August 31 from the GFS model.

As you recall, mid-August was a time of relative quiet in the tropics, but the GFS model was calling for an end to this quiet period. The 12-day GFS forecast called for 3 tropical cyclones for August 31. Well, the GFS was correct in calling for an end to the quiet period! While there is only one tropical cyclone (TD 13) out there, the other two strong tropical waves seen in the satellite image above certainly have the potential to become tropical depressions over the next few days. The GFS did miss the formation of Katrina, but the general 12 day forecast showing a big increase in hurricane activity was pretty accurate.

Dr. Jeff Masters

The views of the author are his/her own and do not necessarily represent the position of The Weather Company or its parent, IBM.

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793. jaaku
10:13 AM GMT on September 02, 2005
we need it just as much as you, we have cars, vans lorrys, generators ... ect, but yet we can still afford it, maybe because we can don't waste our money, and save it, i don't know i don't buy it yet!
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792. aethyric
2:08 PM GMT on September 01, 2005
Flyairbird - thank you for that post - if these are your words, perhaps you should post them to your own weather blog so people can access them and pass the link around.
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791. aethyric
1:54 PM GMT on September 01, 2005
egad. someone's mixing up the magesteria again. *smack forehead*
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790. raindancer
1:53 PM GMT on September 01, 2005
Dubbya - All those people with their super mambo Suburbans, Hummers, RV's, gigantic pickup trucks, and 5 bedroom houses with two living rooms and a kitchen the size of Texas! Gotta love Americans - waste, waste, waste - and then bitch when the price of gas jumps up a bit...
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788. DubbyaCU
1:48 PM GMT on September 01, 2005
Jaaku, but who relies on transportation/ gas consumption more?
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787. jaaku
1:38 PM GMT on September 01, 2005
You people worry too much $3.99 isn't alot to pay comaped with the UK
This is a little old 8-jun-04 but still!

On 8-Jun-04 the price of the unleaded petrol (gas) in Britain was 80.9p per litre (at Tesco, Great Yarmouth, Norfolk).
Multiplying this figure by 0.038 gives a price of UK3.0742 per US gallon.

Converting at a tourist exchange rate of US$1 = UK0.5655, as was applicable at the time, gives an equivalent price of about US$5.44 per US gallon.

The national average self-service price for the lowest grade of unleaded petrol in the USA at around the same time was US$2.039 per US gallon.

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786. pirateotobx
1:36 PM GMT on September 01, 2005
I've been watching whats been happening in New Orleans and what I see down there sickens me. There are people down there that truly need help but there is a large portion of the people still there that have turned in to nothing better than animals..Going in to stores to get food or water to try to survive is one thing but looting gun stores etc...and roaming the cities in gangs basically running parts of the city is crazy. There should be a strong military/police presence in place and fast. I also feel that the authorities should be give permission to shoot to kill anyone that they feel is a threat to the city....this may seem harsh to many who read this but, to me, these people are animals of the lowest form..they are not doing these things for survival....I would not hesitate to shoot one of these people if faced with this problem....... rescue helicopters can't even land because they are being shot at when trying to land....I am surprised at the slow response by the national guard and police to diminish this problem...The argument that they were trying to rescue people just doesn't cut it with me....While they were trying to save people these people were arming themselves and endangering many, many others who truly needed help...now rescues are being hampered by these animals that seem to be trying to take over the city.....There should have been a rapid response to both rescuing and protecting as soon as this problem began getting noticably more widespread.....

Usually after events like Katrina you see people working together to help one another...yes there is some bad in all cases but to this extent is unusual...the scary thing is that these people were living among us before the storm and ,if not jailed, will be again after the clean-up....somethiing to think about......I could go on and on....I just hope that the authorities get the city in order fast....
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785. sporteguy03
1:30 PM GMT on September 01, 2005
The computer models are scary for 144 hours out. they show two systems one off the SE Coast and one affecting the islands. I sure hope they are wrong!:(
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784. Randyman
1:14 PM GMT on September 01, 2005
Exclusive Tropical Update:

Tropical Development Threat off Southeast Coast This Weekend

Tropical Depression Lee Remains Weak - No Threat to Land

Issued: 4:00 AM CDT Thursday, September 1, 2005

We continue to watch an area off the southeast U.S. coast, just to the north of the Bahamas, for possible tropical development this weekend or early next week. We've identified this region as Tropical Disturbance 38 on the current Tropical Development Outlook. As of this morning, this area north of the Bahamas is generally free of clouds, however, a weak frontal boundary is expected to become stationary across the area this weekend. As high pressure builds to the north, thunderstorms could begin to cluster northeast of the Bahamas in a few days. If this occurs, then tropical development would be possible, something that a number of computer models have been suggesting for the past few days.

Should any development occur off the southeast U.S. Coast over the next 4-5 days, then it is possible that the area from the Florida Peninsula to North Carolina could be impacted. With high pressure blocking it to the north, the system could either remain stationary, or drift to the west. We can't even rule out the possibility of any such system crossing Florida and entering the Gulf of Mexico, although we think chances of that happening are low at this time.

Tropical Depression Lee remains well out in the Atlantic. Lee remains very disorganized and has been relocated to the northwest. At 4 AM CDT, Lee was near 31.9N/51.3W, or about 790 miles east of Bermuda. Lee is forecast to move northwestward at about 12 mph, then turn northward and slow down later today. Little change in Lee's strength is likely over the next 24-48 hours. We're forecasting Tropical Depression Lee to remain well out to sea, without any land areas being affected.

For the latest NHC forecast track, please see the following link:


Meteorologist: Steve Lizon

[randyman: I think this Outlook maybe on to something...take a close look at the area to the northeast Bahamas - it will take a few days for things to become favorable for development in this area, however.]
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783. weatherboyfsu
1:08 PM GMT on September 01, 2005
Hello people, hope everyone is ok.........check out the new area of disturbed weather at 33.0 lat ---09.0 long.....looks like a new storm should be named soon....
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782. Lovethetropics
12:37 PM GMT on September 01, 2005
Flyairbird: Very moving account of you ordeal. Trust me on this: You are not alone. All of America is feeling this terrible loss, and things will get better. Lovingly, Aida
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781. Flyairbird
12:14 PM GMT on September 01, 2005
Tales of an Evacuee

Okay...so it's not so little or short...but I hope you'll read it all the same. I know there are others that I should send this to but I simply can not think of everyone so please fill free to pass it along if and as you see fit...

As Soon As I Get Home

And if youre listening God, please dont make it hard to know if we should believe the things that we see. Tell us should we try to stay, or should we run away or would it better just to let things be
Home from The Wiz

New Orleans is a magical city, a charmed city and a never truly silent city. It breaks my heart as I continue to watch the chain of events occurring hour by hour, day by day continue to unfold. As time passes my heart sinks and my hopes fade little by little. Let me walk you through the series of events over the past few days.

In the wee hours of Sunday morning my decision to leave my home for safetys sake and head for Texas was concreted with sobering realization. Every network was predicting absolute devastation for the city should it take a full force hit from Katrina. There seemed to be one common theme from network to network, newscaster to newscasterGas up and get out! I had made that decision the day before although I had searched in vain for a hotel room within a reasonable distance from homeBaton Rouge, Lafayette, Lake Charles and even Houston. Having no success did not dissuade my knowledge that leaving was truly the only option available to me if I were to protect myself and my beloved animals from certain misery, harm and possibly death. New Orleans, even in the wee hours of the morning, has a certain noise about itwhether it be mystical, electrical or something other worldly Ive never quite known but there is always a degree of energy in the air within the city itself. That morning I was struck by how eerily and oddly silent the city had become. As I loaded a few personal items and necessity into my car there was a silent forbearance of something ominous looming in the air, just beyond the horizon and it sent a chill throughout my entire being.

I was internally terrified by thoughts of the impending drive for I do not see particularly well in the dark and I am irrationally frightened by driving over water, high bridges in particular. But I knew my options were exactly down to oneleave and do it immediately. So I summoned every ounce of inner strength and resolve that I could muster, attempted to erase all thoughts from my mind as to what lay ahead, put my dogs into the car and departed from the front of my new home. As I entered the freeway heading westward out of the city I was struck by the absence of other cars traveling to escape. As I rounded the bend of the freeway heading out of the city I took one last look at the skyline in my rearview mirror, acknowledging that I might not ever see it again or that it would be erased from its present state by the terrible storm barreling full of hells forces in its direction. The longest line of cars I had to wait in was to enter the Quattro Flow lanes of interstate 10 to head in the direction of Baton Rouge. For those of you unfamiliar with lower Louisiana, it is largely water ways, bayous and such. Many miles of low level span bridges cross these wetlands and bodies of water. There in the early morning darkness I silently talked to myself, reassuring my rapidly deteriorating nerves that I could do this. I tried to distract myself from the rising internal panic by focusing on other thingshow the other car tail lights looked like a never ending line of rubies glowing in the darkness, broken only by flashing tones of amber from turn signals or bright white when a driver applied their foot to the cars brakes. So there in the silent darkness I ran, I ran as fast as I could. I said a silent prayer on the approach to the enormous bridge which crosses the river on the edge of Baton Rouge, watching it rise ominously before me into the air. I coaxed myself and my car to the top and signed with immense relief as I stated the descent on the other side. This was repeated in Lafayette, Lake Charles and other spots I have since forgotten. I ran with complete uncertainty as to where I would eventually end but I ran with the knowledge that I had no other option. I ran in spite of exhaustion, I ran in spite of the rising heat, I ran with fear so strong it was palatable in my mouth, I ran with the comradity of the other Louisiana drivers on the road in front of me, beside me and behind me. I fled with cell phone in hand, calling loved ones to inform them that I was moving to safety and calls to my friends in New Orleans urging them to heed the warnings and to make a rapid exit. Finally, in the blazing sunlight of San Antonio, Texas, my running stopped because I simply could not run any longer and I knew that the distance was so great that even Katrina couldnt reach me. It strikes with a degree of irony that this storm could be looked at as being somewhat personal. Katrina had wreaked havoc over Fort Lauderdale a few days prior and was now marching with great determination at the Crescent City. In an odd, surreal fashion I felt like a man hunted by the hurricane of the century. I wearily lugged the few important papers I had had the wherewithal to bring, my personal items, all the dog supplies I could possibly need and the dogs themselves up to the second floor and ensconced myself in the air-conditioned comfort of the La Quinta Hotel on the outskirts of San Antonio. Exhausted mentally, physically and emotionally by this, the latest in what seems to be a never ending chain of faith trying events spanning almost the past three years of my life, I longed for sleep but sleep, as it so often does, completely evaded me. And so I watched and watched, waiting and waiting. The drop of speed, the rise of pressure and slight shift of path were all welcome signs that maybe the devastation to New Orleans would be much less than anticipated although my heart was still heavy because I knew that the path was merely leading to enormous destruction elsewhere. You dont ever wish this type of disaster on anyone but they are realities of the world in which we live so you help in whatever way you possibly can whenever and wherever they strike. It is truly a world community we live in and we need to reach across boundaries, borders, cultures and beliefs when our fellow man needs our help. To me this is a basic human trait and a fully American sensibility. In spite of these realities I believe its a natural response in live in denial that these disasters will actually come to roost at your front door. You simply can not fathom what it will truly be like until the day of reckoning comes and it eventually does come to everywhere, in one form or another, one day. But I digressthat's another story for another day....

As the hours passed, as the storm battered away mercilessly at the southern Gulf shores, cities and people I felt encouraged by hopeful signs that my new home city would be spared the apocalyptic devastation I had feared it faced yet sickened as I knew that Gulfport, Biloxi and the surrounding areas in Mississippi were being obliterated minute by minute, home by home, life by life. But at the storms end I was hopeful; the city had been badly damaged, there was no electricity, there would be much repair and work to be done and it would take weeks for life to return to normal but there would be a life and hopefully a home to go back to. I dont need to tell you that my joy was fleeting indeed for you know this somewhat story book ending was short lived.

Over the next couple of days as I watched the city disintegrate into ruins by forces of nature, poor design and mans own hand I was left angry, frustrated, depressed, frightened and appalled. But as I talked to other evacuees here it was confirmed to me time and time again, that I was more fortunate than many, that there was still a great deal to be humbled by and grateful for. A woman named Holly had left the area known as Gentilly, much of which has since been drown by the rising water from the levee break after the storms passing. In leaving she packed whatever essentials she could, carrying her daughter, boyfriend, boyfriends daughter and her small dog in her car. As she prepared to flee into the night, she had to face the reality that she had two large, older German Shepard dogs whom she would have to leave behind. With tears welling up in her eyes she told me that all she could do was set them free in the yard, kiss them goodbye, tell them how much she loved them, say a prayer for their safety and drive away crying while her mind would still allow her. This was her Sophies Choice, choosing to move herself, child and as many loved ones as possible out of harms way but making the ultimate sacrifice in the process. Her home is certainly gone along with that of many and yet she has her lifeand life is everything. I can not fathom the grief my friend Paul had to feel watching his childhood hometown of Ocean Springs, MS basically removed from the face of the earth, as he did. Knowing that Martha Ann has given up the ghost in the aftermath of the storm and left her Garden District home where she rode out the storm with Steel Magnolia determination, makes my heart sink because I know that things are worse than the photos show, than the mind can possibly imagine if she surrendered. Seeing the outreach to the victims by the community of San Antonio, Texas reinforces my belief that people still rise to the occasion, doing wonderful things for people in need. The Red Cross, the San Antonio Food Bank, the local news stations, a group of Curves members and others have come to the aid of many of my fellow evacuees, fulfilling basic human needs, providing hot meals, personal essentials, short and long term aid and assistance, asking nothing in return, taking their payment for all their efforts in the form of smiling faces, laughing children, tear filled eyes and softly spoken words of profound gratitude.

Watching, hearing and reading the stories of loss and hope is overwhelming for anyone, more so for those of us personally touched by this tragedy, more than I ever could have imagined. A great American city is being ravaged by selfish looters and political and communication turmoil has lead to complete and utter chaos. But these are things you knowthese are things you have seenand yet, there is so much more. For me this is a minute by minute, hour by hour, day by day situation on every level. It is a test on my mental and emotional well being, on my decision making process, on my survival ability, on my courage and inner strength and the list just keeps growing. Well over a million people have literally been displaced and made homeless in a matter of a few hours, businesses have been lost completely, lives have been shattered and destroyed, economies have been left in ruination, banking and accounting systems are completely shut down leaving many penniless in their hours of greatest need, history has simply been rewritten by the forces of wind and water and a great American city lies in shambles, being raped and pillaged and we, its residents, are helpless to stop it, protect it or save it. That is so incredibly overwhelming you can not begin to imagine. And at the end of the day, when you are filling your tank with three dollar plus gallons of gasoline please do not complain because there are millions of us who would gladly pay that price in order to have our homes and lives back. That price is minuscule compared to what we are paying within our hearts and souls.

Yet for every heartbreak there is a story of joy, hope and survival against the powerful forces of nature and all odds. You have and will continue to see them, hear them and read about them. As we move through this process, start lives all over again, emerge out the other side of catastrophe much will be left the same yet much will never be the same again. New Orleans will reemerge and rebuilt yet leave scars upon its residents that can never be erased. The fabric of an amazing city has been altered forever, a portion of the tapestry that is an enormous part of American History has been unraveled and left in a state of pathetic ruin. For many the sun will never shine quite as brightly or the sand be quite as beautiful along the southern Gulf Shores. The nightmares and terror will gradually fade and become part of who we are as we pick up the pieces of our lives and take our first steps to recapturing an existence. Contemplating a future is incredibly difficult when you lie in the sterile surroundings of a hotel room paralyzed by the enormity of the events which have altered your life completely in a few short days in spite of having the knowledge that you are more fortune than countless others. I cannot possibly describe what it's like to feel your hope and dreams slip away from you hour after hour...day after day. I can simply wish for each of you that you never have the experience

I am awestruck, profoundly humbled, speechless and eternally grateful to all of you who have lent your support in so many ways. The words and thoughts of concern, love, sympathy and encouragement lifts my soul and refuels my spirits as I work through the process of making decisions and sorting out a life now in shambles. But at the end of the day this is minemine alone to face, accept and replace. Its a lonely feeling, a daunting task for even the steel hearted and I simply could not look it in the face without each and every one of youyou are my lifepure and simple. My heart if fullmy life enriched because of each of youthank you.

I am so amazed by the things that I see here, dont want to be afraid, I just dont want to be herein my mind this is clearwhat am I doing hereI wish I was HOME
Soon as I Get Home from The Wiz

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780. killdevilmax
11:31 AM GMT on September 01, 2005
The system that just came off Africa is large, symmetrical, has cold cloud tops and heading west at a low latitude Can someone comment on it's chances for development?
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779. cajunkid
8:57 AM GMT on September 01, 2005
where do you find the best radar loop of the whole landfall?
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778. Precis3377
8:48 AM GMT on September 01, 2005
J14 - you're a trip!
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777. xkcd
8:46 AM GMT on September 01, 2005
Sometime earlier tonight all the gas stations in Newport News, VA ran out. I can't find any news on it (as of about 5:00 GMT, just got net back) but the stations all have blank signs and no gas except diesel.

Rumor here has it that there's no gas for sale in either North or South Carolina, anywhere.

Anyone got more information? I've never seen gas stations be out before (I was born a little too late to remember the Seventies)
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776. jeff14photos
7:02 AM GMT on September 01, 2005
later evryone night
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775. jeff14photos
6:51 AM GMT on September 01, 2005
im not funny enough for you cajun kid huh
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774. jeff14photos
6:41 AM GMT on September 01, 2005

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773. cajunkid
6:39 AM GMT on September 01, 2005
oh well I guess there aint much else to talk about. Anyone have a good joke
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772. jeff14photos
6:37 AM GMT on September 01, 2005
i dont care im not one of those guys cajunkid ianother landfall in new orleans is not out of the question but is probably going to be very rare for the rest of this season
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771. cajunkid
6:34 AM GMT on September 01, 2005
I know no one wants to hear this and now probly aint the time to ask this but I can't help it.
what do yall thinl the odds of another system affecting this regon. I know the odds are pretty significant, but I just wanted to hear if anyone thinks its pointless to try and rebuild plaq. parish. I know we rebuild NO thats not a question, but south or even NO east just dosn't seem worth the risk considering the increased # of storms we will see
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770. jeff14photos
6:32 AM GMT on September 01, 2005
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769. jeff14photos
6:26 AM GMT on September 01, 2005
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768. cajunkid
6:26 AM GMT on September 01, 2005
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767. StormJunkie
6:15 AM GMT on September 01, 2005
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766. leftyy420
6:14 AM GMT on September 01, 2005
yeah meetu on halo
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765. jeff14photos
6:10 AM GMT on September 01, 2005
fine if you dont want to talk then im gone sooooo mean
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764. StormJunkie
6:09 AM GMT on September 01, 2005
Any chance you up for a game? Trying a little self deliusion for a few.
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763. jeff14photos
6:08 AM GMT on September 01, 2005
ive been wating for someone to talk to
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762. jeff14photos
6:08 AM GMT on September 01, 2005
im here
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761. StormJunkie
6:08 AM GMT on September 01, 2005
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760. leftyy420
6:07 AM GMT on September 01, 2005
storm u there
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759. jeff14photos
5:37 AM GMT on September 01, 2005
everyone in here must be from the east coast because no one is posting its 1030 here k well im going now by
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758. jeff14photos
5:27 AM GMT on September 01, 2005
hello anybody here lurking
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757. disc0boy
4:57 AM GMT on September 01, 2005
Anybody see this link?...pretty cool, IMHO...

(Almost 10MB)

"A NASA movie (mpg format) of sea surface temperatures and clouds from June 9 to August 29, showing the different tracks of Hurricanes Dennis, Emily, and at the end Katrina."

Got the link here, from another interesting article:

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756. Skyepony
4:52 AM GMT on September 01, 2005
No problem HobbitTaz. I'm glad I'd marked it. Neat seeing my town after the 2 we had last year from the sky. I thought of it to see if they'd photoed where alot of my kin were. But their a bit rural, it will be a while. From the sound of it all, I might get NOAA aireals before they get phone & power. Well ya'll I'm out for the night.
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755. StormJunkie
4:44 AM GMT on September 01, 2005
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754. wonderness
4:22 AM GMT on September 01, 2005
As Jeff left for vacation he wrote that he was taking a document about the possible correlation of the severe hurricane seasons with global warming. I wonder what were Jeff's conclusions. Some of the comments about Katina emphasized the connection while other comments disputed the connection. I was more interested in the airborne Sahara sand providing dry air which stalled the formation of hurricanes for some 2 weeks (or so it seems). Meanwhile the Gulf of Mexico had time to get even hotter.
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753. HobbitTaz
4:20 AM GMT on September 01, 2005
Thanks Skyepony,

My wife is originally from there and from watching the news broadcasts it looked like the whole coast was totally wiped (biloxi, Gulfport, etc.) She rode out Camile when it came through but since we have been in the midwest for the last 15-20 years we are safe and dont have alot of close contacts there anymore (still a few though). After looking at your link it made her feel better that much of the area was spared the surge. Just along the the coast itself. Granted that was the area were the casinos and hotels etc (the money) was but a least some of the housing and older schools, hospitals, etc of the area were spared the worse of it.

Thanks again for post that link.
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743. leftyy420
4:06 AM GMT on September 01, 2005
prior to today the price had only gone up 2 cents since last week.
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