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Katrina a tropical depression

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 9:54 PM GMT on August 30, 2005

Just a quick update on the current state of tropics for now. The incredible stories of Katrina's devastation playing on the news now leave me stunned, and my heart goes out to all the victims and their loved ones.

Katrina now
Katrina is a tropical depression, racing northeastward through Indiana and Ohio at 27 mph, and will be gone tomorrow. No major flooding due to Katrina's rains is occurring in the areas north of the coastal devastation zone. The flooding and rains associated with Katrina's second landfall have been fairly low for a major hurricane, since the storm has been moving quickly and the soils the rain have been falling on are not saturated from previous storms. Katrina should continue to produce rain amounts in the 2-4 inch range for the rest of its track, which should only cause localized flooding problems. A few tornadoes are still possible. So far, Katrina has produced two damaging tornadoes in Georgia, one in the tourist town of Helen that ripped the roof off of an Econolodge.


Figure 1.Total estimated precipication from Katrina from the Mobile radar. Maximum amounts were in the 8-12 inch range. Data from 6 NWS radar sites is still not available, due to the failure of over 100 fiber lines in Louisiana and Mississippi. No repair date is available.

What's behind Katrina
We are watching two areas in the Atlantic that may become tropical depressions in the next day or two, but neither are expected to be a threat to land. Tropical Depression 13 dissipated yesterday, but is looking more organized and may regenerate. If it does regenerate, this system is probably only a threat to Bermuda. Another strong tropical low pressure area is midway between Africa and the Lesser Antilles Islands. This low has a large circulation and a small amount of deep convection trying to build over it. The low has some modest wind shear it is fighting, and a large area of dry, dust-laden air surrounding it. The dry air and shear will probably keep the low from developing into a depression today, but the shear may lessen enough tomorrow to let a depression form. If the low does develop, the early track models forecast the system to track northwestward over the open Atlantic Ocean and not threaten land.



Dr. Jeff Masters


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170. geauxtigers
1:30 AM GMT on August 31, 2005
i heard that phone call too on CNN last night Lefty--and usually I'm not a CNN fan. I agree with what you say.
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169. leftyy420
1:29 AM GMT on August 31, 2005
how hard is it to get the shool buses from the local counties and bus the tourist outof the city. they had no choice but to stay and the stae should respect that thye have homes and are a burden on the supplies that are slim at best
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168. cTampa
1:20 AM GMT on August 31, 2005
Thanks for the info Damon85013. I feel like I am stirring up trouble, but am really trying to help. I wouldn't have given out my real email address if I didn't. I hope potmrots is a legit person and it is just a coincidence. However, if it is someone just playing off of our feelings, I feel sorry for them. Let them have my email address. Maybe, at least someone that really needs info about Pascagoula can email me for help. Back to the real reason we are here:
It sounds like such a desperate situation in NO now. It's horrible and unbelievable. FOX just said another storm may be brewing? will continue broadcast after break. I hope they are discussing the same one we have been, and know it will not make it to the US mainland?
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167. geauxtigers
1:28 AM GMT on August 31, 2005
aquak--Bush signed a federal disaster statment for LA BEFORE katrina hit..and has signed several more since then. there's not much else he can do right now. i am sure that he will do everything in his power...

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166. leftyy420
1:27 AM GMT on August 31, 2005
all i know is that alst nigth all the other news agencies were replaying footage from earlier and were no longer live excpt for cnn. cnn was able to callpeople cause the vp of tulane hospital called cnn pleading for help. cnn will always be my choice over the other 2 because of last night. i was really upset that the other decided it was ok to stop reporting cause they thought it was all ok in no
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165. DougNLR
1:12 AM GMT on August 31, 2005
Re: earlier inquiries about patients in Veterans Administration hospitals in NO and Biloxi being evacuated to other VAs: in addition to VA hospitals in Georgia, others, e.g. Houston and Little Rock are also on alert to receive patients transferred from the affected facilities.

Try to remain calm even if you can't find them right away. This will take some time. Good luck and Godspeed.
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164. chicagowatcher
1:26 AM GMT on August 31, 2005
Hullo all =)

*waves at Lefty and Orleans77*
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163. southbeachdude
1:24 AM GMT on August 31, 2005
airlines reporting fuel shortages??? where did you get this info? How can we have a fuel shortage already?
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162. Orleans77
1:26 AM GMT on August 31, 2005
aqua i was going off of cnn.com....
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161. geauxtigers
1:25 AM GMT on August 31, 2005
oh i hate that these poor idiots on cnn shown looting several businesses are representing my state. it makes me so angry to see this when just blocks away (if that) people are drowning...
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160. leftyy420
1:25 AM GMT on August 31, 2005
man u think u would get some buses to bus out the tourists that are stuck here. they have homes thye couldgoto and would not strain the supplies those with out homes could use. amn the are fing this up like they did andrew. the gov is blaming the flight cancelations on the airlines. they think that the airlines should have been flying planes on sunday
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159. twifob
1:21 AM GMT on August 31, 2005
ADVICE: If you are looking for missing friends or relatives:

It's hard but it's the best thing to do: Stay put, stay near a phone, and STAY OFF THE PHONE ... they will contact you as soon as they are able to. And if you are calling all over the place trying to get a shred of info, they can get a busy signal and be unable to call back. When you hear from them, get a list of people they want you to notify - the more calls you can keep out of the affected area the better.

The search and rescue teams will be concentrating on finding survivors for the next few days, not notifying relatives or reuniting families ... that comes later. Don't expect them to take time from that to answer you questions.

Yes, it's harsh: But I've been there and done that on both ends of disasters.
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158. Orleans77
1:25 AM GMT on August 31, 2005
with this big a story the news media is going to make some mistakes in the rush to get the nesw out...but still important to get the info out though..
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157. CosmicEvents
1:17 AM GMT on August 31, 2005
I forgot who that person was that had a friend in the french quarter....and the friend was somehow in 10 feet of water 24 hours ago.
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.Things are not looking good now for all of New Orleans. My prayers are with all the real people in harms way.
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156. aquak9
9:18 PM EDT on August 30, 2005
77, all my CNN has is larry king
53, yes why does'nt everyone realize, yes this is a total devastation, yes a nat'l crisis...are our rich in-charge idiots thinking because it's the south, the mostly poor south, that this is ok? what if this happenned to DC? what if a Bush young'n was missing in NO? what if this happenned to Bush's beloved Texas? No I'm not a bush basher---but this pathetically lacking response can only come from some a beauracracy full of blind apathetic idiots.
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155. geauxtigers
1:23 AM GMT on August 31, 2005
ahh ok. i do like fox news network, and usually find their information reputable, i just find that particular info harder to believe comparing it to the reports i'm getting on our local feeds. though it may very well be true, i wouldnt want to terrify anyone lurking on here who may have family stuck inside there!
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154. Orleans77
1:23 AM GMT on August 31, 2005
got it seabury..thats wheer it was the breaking healine banner...thats right seabury...they can always put people on the upper levels they are well abobe flood stage...
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153. scottinmyrtlebeach
1:19 AM GMT on August 31, 2005
weren't the sandbags to be droppped via helicopter and placed behind the concrete barriers like those that are used to redirect traffic in construction areas on the interstate?...was this to be ajoint effort between city county state?...unreal..i agree psea...every few minutes going public asking for the bags would have at least kept somebodys butt in gear..
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152. Orleans77
1:22 AM GMT on August 31, 2005
tiger i dont,,,the info scrolled on the bottom of the tv screen
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151. Orleans77
1:19 AM GMT on August 31, 2005
Bush has signed the order to "commandeer hundreds of airline jets" to fly to a staging area 20 mi outside of NO...but first they have to get those people there..

also 100's of flights were cancelled today because the airlines are reporting fuel shortages already
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150. Gatorbait05
1:20 AM GMT on August 31, 2005
They just said on Larry King that the water is still knee level outside the dome, the Gov. just left there after visiting. I don't think its filling up that much just yet.
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149. geauxtigers
1:21 AM GMT on August 31, 2005
Orleans---do you know the name of the official that was on Fox that gave that information? I'm just curious.
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148. Damon85013
6:20 PM MST on August 30, 2005
Hi Jeff :) Last three days: 113, 111, 110. Excessive heat warnings continue for 110+ this late in the season. HOT!!
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147. pseabury
1:20 AM GMT on August 31, 2005
Orleans - The dome won't be underwater.......it will take some water on the field and maybe lower decks. The real problem will be insects, animals, and heat. Critters fighting for the same dry space.
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146. pseabury
1:18 AM GMT on August 31, 2005
Orleans, not breaking.....ran on CCN air about 30 mins ago I think. They kinda overdid that headline. It wasn't widespread....there were very isolated shooting incidents, and people were just randomly taking available cars to get the hell outta dodge. That is unless something changes in the next 10 secs.

Why does CNN always leave those "Breaking News" banners up for almost an hour at a time sometimes?

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145. Orleans77
1:17 AM GMT on August 31, 2005
FOX just reported that thete is now 3 feet of water inside the dome and the water is rising quickly...how in the world are they going to get all these people out...Things are getting desperate in the Dome..they are running out of food and water...running out of medical supplies...temps are 130+ in the dome...two people have jumped to their deaths from upper balconies out of desperation....my god...this is sooo awful
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144. Damon85013
6:18 PM MST on August 30, 2005
cTampa--if you have reservations about leaving your email on this blog, ask admin to remove it (send an email to WunderYakuza).
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143. pseabury
1:14 AM GMT on August 31, 2005
Yeah lefty.....the sandbags not even getting there is a serious f*ckup. I can see why the mayor is pissed, but he should have been on that every 5 mins... "where are my sandbags?".

Now some other guy on WWL is saying that the bags got there, but weren't attempted to be put in.......at least if the screw up, they should get their stories straight. Wow.

I'd be borderline homicidal if I learned I lost absolutely everything because people that get paid large sums of money to make big decisions could coordinate plugging a breach that was flooding my city.



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142. Orleans77
1:17 AM GMT on August 31, 2005
BREAKING NEWS

Reports of shootings, carjackings and looting in the area near the Louisiana Superdome, New Orleans, a policeman tells CNN. More soon.
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141. 53rdWeatherRECON
1:05 AM GMT on August 31, 2005
How's the evac of the entire city going. They called for mandatory evacuation again today??? The flow of information in this is extreemly spotty. An entire US city has been destroyed. Coastline for hundreds of miles wiped out. I can't believe how little coverage we have gotten. This is a National Crisis. I really hope I hear more stories tomorrow about the US military evacuating 20,000 people from New Orleans. Large scale operations from NY, Boston California, Florida. Thousands of volunteers from all over the country should be going. I hope and pray for all of those in need of a prayer tonight.
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140. geauxtigers
1:15 AM GMT on August 31, 2005
those listening to the live feed out of baton rouge---do you hear the miscommunication between our senators, governor, and city official (mayor of NO) etc? not that im one to criticize these people under so much stress...but they have GOT to get it together.
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139. Orleans77
1:16 AM GMT on August 31, 2005
Things were so bad, Nagin said, that rescue boats are bypassing the dead.

"We're not even dealing with dead bodies," Nagin said. "They're just pushing them on the side."
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138. scottinmyrtlebeach
1:14 AM GMT on August 31, 2005
we were saying that around here geautigers..that the mayor looked unprepared...not too bright...way over his head....it is incredibly overwhelming though..
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137. jeff14photos
6:15 PM PDT on August 30, 2005
hey damon hows pheonix hot ill bet
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136. turtlehurricane
1:12 AM GMT on August 31, 2005
wow, the army just said on fox it would take weeks to drain Lake New Orleans after the levee and pumps have been fixed. thats if everything is runing perfectly.
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135. scottinmyrtlebeach
1:11 AM GMT on August 31, 2005
this just keeps getting worse...so depressing...and leaves you feeling so..helpless..powerless...having been through rebuilding efforts...at some degree 10,000 times less severe..the next years will be rough..
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134. geauxtigers
1:12 AM GMT on August 31, 2005
everyone knows down here governor blanco is incompetent, sad to say. mayor nagin doesnt look that bright himself.
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133. Damon85013
6:11 PM MST on August 30, 2005
thx for the mssg, Evan. Interesting, to say the least.
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132. cTampa
1:07 AM GMT on August 31, 2005
NO... I am not calling anyone a sicko unless potmrots, who is trying to get info on his dad in Pascagoula, is really stormtop. I was worried b/c I didn't see that STORMTOP spelt backwards is potmrots spelled. Someone just pointed it out. I was trying to give legitimate info about Pascagoula and I gave out my email address on this blog.
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131. leftyy420
1:10 AM GMT on August 31, 2005
i can't wait to here what the gov has to say. i think all those in charge have dropped the ball and from all i have seen they have left the mayor out all together. the mayor and the gov should have been working to channel efforts. i think they are all in shell shock and not looking at the big picture and are overwelmed. this is bs and all goverment officials are to blame
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130. COobserver
1:09 AM GMT on August 31, 2005
All life support capabilities now lost at Tulane Hospital, according to CNN.
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129. scottinmyrtlebeach
1:06 AM GMT on August 31, 2005
sundog..i haven't been very far west of there..staunton itself has some very cool eateries and stuff though...
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128. leftyy420
1:08 AM GMT on August 31, 2005
jefferson parish, the area with alot offlooded homes and rescues going on will recieve alot more flooding from the breach and the failure of the pump due to the breach not being filled. very horrific
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127. pseabury
1:08 AM GMT on August 31, 2005
As long as people stay high enough...out of 1 story bldgs...they should be ok, but that the water cannot be stopped from rising now.

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126. leftyy420
1:06 AM GMT on August 31, 2005
from what i hear in sidel there has not been any confiremed fataliteis as of yet, maybe they just don't know but no body's been seen or recovered. they said all they have seen is minor injuries, scrapes bruises broken bones. i hope he is ok and if i hear more i wil tell u
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125. pseabury
1:06 AM GMT on August 31, 2005
Same here Prozac. Haven't heard a peep from anyone in 504 period. Still looking for any Seabury's In New Orleans if anyone has any resources to know that information.

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124. COobserver
1:06 AM GMT on August 31, 2005
Flood waters now entering the Superdome, according to the NY Times. Anyone heard this?
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123. scottinmyrtlebeach
1:00 AM GMT on August 31, 2005
thanks lefty, i finally got her on the phone right after you posted...she said it wasn't bad there right now...had gone out for ice cream .....anyway..
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122. leftyy420
1:03 AM GMT on August 31, 2005
wow,or some reason the helicopter that was suppose todrop the sandbags to stop the water and breach in the 17th street canal was diverted somewhere and the sandbags were never brought to fill the breach. mayor really upset saying we have to many chiefs here and not enough indians. must be talking about all the federal government officilas and the governor. they really dropped the ball and have doomed east new orleans
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121. pseabury
1:04 AM GMT on August 31, 2005
Mayor jsut said that the 3000lb sandbags that they were going to try and use to plug the breach never even came to the site.....not a single one was placed. He is pissed. Rightfully so.

That just cost potentially a lot of lives, and orders of magnitude more money and effort.

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120. notwithoutmyprosac
1:00 AM GMT on August 31, 2005
My husband just talked with his brother. He has not heard from his son in the Slidel area, couldn't reach him shortly before the cane. Looking for Jonathan Snyder, age 25, If anyone finds someplace I can get some info please let me know.
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