Can a Sharknado hit Los Angeles?

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 1:38 PM GMT on July 17, 2013

I learned something from watching the movie "Sharknado", SyFy Channel's twisted cross between Jaws, The Day After Tomorrow, and The Texas Chainsaw Massacre, which premiered last Thursday (and will be aired again this Thursday.) My hurricane disaster kit is incomplete without a chainsaw. Not only can a chainsaw come in handy to remove fallen debris after the storm--it can be an essential self-defense weapon in case a hurricane spawns a "Sharknado"--a powerful waterspout that picks up man-eating sharks out of the ocean and hurls them miles inland.



"Sharknado" is set in Los Angeles, where huge and dangerous Hurricane David is making landfall. The satellite images of the hurricane show a very nasty-looking storm that is at least Category 3, but has the rather unusual (and impossible) characteristic that it spins clockwise in the Northern Hemisphere. Thousands of bloodthirsty sharks swarm inland with the hurricane's storm surge and are hurled through the air by the EF-4 waterspouts turned tornadoes that accompany the storm. A lot of blood spurts, a lot of bad acting and lame dialog occur, and plenty of improbable or impossible meteorological events happen--complete with cheesy computer graphic animations. ("Sharknado" seriously challenges The Day After Tomorrow for greatest number of impossible meteorological events packed into a single movie.) But, as long as you don't take the movie too seriously, and look at it as a campy low-budget parody of both disaster movies and horror movies, "Sharknado" is a hoot. I give "Sharknado" two stars (out of four.) The movie is produced by "B" movie studio Asylum, and stars Ian Ziering and Tara Reid. "Sharknado" is airing again at 7pm EDT/6pm CDT on Thursday, July 18, on the SyFy Channel.


Figure 1. Hurricane Linda heads north along the Baja California coast towards towards San Diego on September 12, 1997, as seen by the NOAA GOES-9 satellite. Images and rendering by Marit Jentoft-Nilsen of NASA.

Hurricanes do occur in Southern California
Southern California has been affected by one full-fledged hurricane in recorded history, a Category 1 storm that brought 80 mph winds to San Diego on October 2, 1858. More recently, a 1939 tropical storm brought 52 mph winds to the coast south of Los Angeles, and caused $2 million in property damage--mostly to shipping, shore structures, power and communication lines, and crops. Forty-five lives were lost at sea during the storm. Hurricane Linda of 1997, which occurred during a strong El Niño event that significantly warmed the ocean waters along the Mexican Pacific coast, was forecast by the National Hurricane Center for a couple of advisories to make landfall near San Diego as a minimal hurricane or strong tropical storm. Category 5 Linda was the strongest hurricane ever observed in the Eastern Pacific Ocean, but weakened over cold water and turned out to sea without affecting Southern California. A Category 3 or stronger storm affecting Southern California, as depicted in "Sharknado", is pretty much impossible in the current climate, though. The California Current that flows southwards along the coast of California and Baja Mexico features waters temperatures that are too cold to support a major hurricane.

Falls of fish from the sky
There have been numerous reports of waterspouts or tornadoes picking up fish out of the sea or out of lakes and creating a "rain of fish." For example, hundreds of perch bombarded residents of the small Australian outback town of Lajamanu in 2010. In the U.S., thousands of small fish, frogs and crayfish fell from the sky during a rainstorm at Magnolia Terminal near Thomasville, Alabama, on the morning of June 28, 1957. Many of the fish were alive and were placed in ponds and swimming pools. An F2 tornado fifteen miles to the south spawned by the outer bands of Hurricane Audrey was likely responsible for getting the creatures airborne. William Corliss' intriguing book, "Handbook of Unusual Natural Phenomena", has an entire chapter devoted to unusual creatures and objects that have fallen from the sky. He relates that in 1946, a scientist at the American Museum of Natural History named E. W. Gudger documented 78 reliable reports of fish falls from all over the world. The largest fish was a large-mouthed bass 9 1/4 inches long, and the heaviest was a six pound fish that fell in India. There were no reports of large, 2000-pound great white sharks, as depicted by "Sharknado", though. Wunderground, for now, has decided not to create a new "Sharknado" weather icon for the web site, due to the low probability of such an event occurring with the current laws of physics being what they are.


Video 1. Official trailer for "Sharknado."

Jeff Masters

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THIS HAZARDOUS WEATHER OUTLOOK IS FOR WEST CENTRAL AND SOUTHWEST
FLORIDA.

.DAY ONE...TODAY AND TONIGHT.

...THUNDERSTORM IMPACT...
SCATTERED SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS WILL DEVELOP LATE THIS MORNING
THEN BECOME MORE NUMEROUS DURING THE AFTERNOON. SOME STORMS COULD
BE STRONG WITH WIND GUSTS NEAR 50 MPH. ALL STORMS WILL BE CAPABLE
OF PRODUCING FREQUENT DEADLY CLOUD TO GROUND LIGHTNING AND
TORRENTIAL RAIN CAUSING PONDING ON ROADWAYS.

...RIVER FLOOD IMPACT...
MINOR FLOODING CONTINUES ON THE CYPRESS CREEK AT WORTHINGTON
GARDENS AND ON THE MYAKKA RIVER AT MYAKKA RIVER STATE PARK.
ADDITIONAL HEAVY RAINFALL IS POSSIBLE TODAY.
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Quoting 958. CaptainComet:
I got caught in some nasty weather while driving in Clearwater FL yesterday.

It was already a blinding rain. While waiting at a light the wind picked up in blasts. For about 5 seconds, sticks from nearby trees were suddenly hitting my Ford Explorer in a machine-gun fashion, followed by the sensation that the SUV behind me was nudging me forward three times ... he wasn't, he was a good distance back. It must have been the wind pressing on the nearly-flat back of mine. It felt like I was being slid forward a few inches each time.

I am used to driving in the roughest stuff Florida has to offer, but yesterday takes the prize.
geez I agree with you 100%..that was one Nasty Powerful storm here last night
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963. VR46L
Quoting 958. CaptainComet:
I got caught in some nasty weather while driving in Clearwater FL yesterday.

It was already a blinding rain. While waiting at a light the wind picked up in blasts. For about 5 seconds, sticks from nearby trees were suddenly hitting my Ford Explorer in a machine-gun fashion, followed by the sensation that the SUV behind me was nudging me forward three times ... he wasn't, he was a good distance back. It must have been the wind pressing on the nearly-flat back of mine. It felt like I was being slid forward a few inches each time.

I am used to driving in the roughest stuff Florida has to offer, but yesterday takes the prize.


Very Cool Handle Name ... I like it !!

Sounds Like the weather was bad there yesterday
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Good morning to all,evening Aussie.

The waiting game goes on as the models continue silent about true development in the North Atlantic basin. This is why I prefer the runs from 144 hours and downwards and not those very long range ones.
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Quoting Viripse:
My late wife claimed to have been born during a rain storm when it rained small black crabs. She was born on Great Guana Cay, Abaco, Bahamas. 14, May 1955.


I'm sorry you lost your wife so young!
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... and I thought you could get hurt by hail ...

Coconuts! ... ouch! ... don't want to be outside while that is going on.
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close friend hunkered down during floyd in the abacos they heard what they thought were explosions outside turned out they were flying coconuts smashing up against the house
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I got caught in some nasty weather while driving in Clearwater FL yesterday.

It was already a blinding rain. While waiting at a light the wind picked up in blasts. For about 5 seconds, sticks from nearby trees were suddenly hitting my Ford Explorer in a machine-gun fashion, followed by the sensation that the SUV behind me was nudging me forward three times ... he wasn't, he was a good distance back. It must have been the wind pressing on the nearly-flat back of mine. It felt like I was being slid forward a few inches each time.

I am used to driving in the roughest stuff Florida has to offer, but yesterday takes the prize.
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there is a subtle change in the atlantic tropics. the itz is lighting up a bit more
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956. VR46L
Quoting 955. LargoFl:
Good Morning Folks!..Blogs coffee is perked for when you get here...


Thanks Largo !! Is it good and strong ?
Good Morning !

Atlantic sure looks quiet!



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Good Morning Folks!..Blogs coffee is perked for when you get here...
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954. VR46L
This is kinda cool 95W

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I am starting to see more rain and t.storms in the ITCZ...mean next time we get a tropical wave we need to watch it!!


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951. VR46L
Quoting 924. AussieStorm:
If this was in the ATL, would the NHC name it?

95W


TS Cimaron


94W off Vietnam




I would doubt it! It appears only to be a surface feature but my what a little cutie !! Looks like it will run into trouble from the outflow of the bigger storm soon

Storm Relative 1km Geostationary Visible Imagery


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950. HadesGodWyvern (Mod)
All signals were cancelled at 3:40 PM HKT

At 4 PM HKT, Tropical Storm Cimaron was centered about 400 kilometers east northeast of Hong Kong is forecast to move north northwest at about 22 km/h towards the coastal areas of eastern Guangdong to southern Fujian.

Cimaron will soon make landfall over the coastal areas of eastern Guangdong and southern Fujian and will gradually weaken. Its outer rainbands are expected to affect the coastal region of Guangdong today and tomorrow.
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ECMWF still hinting the Cape Verde system by next week and a half:

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948. HadesGodWyvern (Mod)
Japan Meteorological Agency
Tropical Cyclone Advisory #3
TROPICAL DEPRESSION 09
15:00 PM JST July 18 2013
==================================

SUBJECT: Tropical Depression In South China Sea

At 6:00 AM UTC, Tropical Depression (1000 hPa) located at 13.3N 114.5E has 10 minute sustained winds of 30 knots. The depression is reported as moving northeast slowly.

Dvorak Intensity: T2.0

Forecast and Intensity
=======================
24 HRS: 16.8N 113.9E - 35 knots (CAT 1/Tropical Storm) South China Sea
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Quoting 946. Viripse:
My late wife claimed to have been born during a rain storm when it rained small black crabs. She was born on Great Guana Cay, Abaco, Bahamas. 14, May 1955.


that would be interesting. I guess the old saying raining cats and dogs had to come from somewhere lol
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My late wife claimed to have been born during a rain storm when it rained small black crabs. She was born on Great Guana Cay, Abaco, Bahamas. 14, May 1955.
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Quoting 940. sar2401:

LOL about my fiance and the weather. Since I'm literally deaf as a post, I really couldn't hear the thunder, and couldn't believe a storm had blown up that quickly. I usally do listen when she tells me she hears something.

Thanks for checking out the situation around me. At least that helps me feel like I'm not nuts...well,at least about weather. :-) If you look at the WU radar and then bring up severe, it shows the flood advisory for Quitman, ending right at the state line. Eufaula is right across the bridge from Georgetown, Quitman Co. GA. BMX should have been coordinating with Tallahassee (not Jacksonville, too late at night, I guess) so a flood advisory was issued for Barbour Co, AL, at the same time, but that never gets done. It has been discussed many times about coordinating with Atlanta and Tallahassee, but BMX always seems to come with some excuse why it would just be too much work. The funny (sad) thing is our weather radio transmitter is in Texasville AL, and has better coverage for the GA counties on the state line, so the folks in Quitman listen to the same transmitter but with different SAME codes. I've told people here to make sure they put in Quitman County when they program their radios and I just get puzzled looks, since they live in Barbour Co. and can't imagine why they would be interested in the weather in Quitman.

The most frustrating part to me is I spent 27 years in emergency management in California. We had the Disaster of the Month, and about the only incident I never worked out there was a large tornado. I know how it's supposed to be done, and I didn't just show up to this rodeo yesterday. However, I've found out the last thing people want hear is "Well, in California, we did it this way..." I'm quite certain I would have at least been horsewhipped if that was still allowed. :-) I'm treated no differently than a person who just took their first SkyWarn class. One thing I'll give them, though, is that they don't discriminate. They treat us all like morons.

It does look like the instability levels are going down and the storms are going to bed for the night. Probably time for me to do that also. Thanks for listening to my rant.


What? The good old boys don't want to hear about CA?? Haha...My first disaster I worked in LA was Katrina. Of course there were all kinds of folks here from all over the country. (I am originally from the Northeast, but as I'd been here for a few years I was more or less accepted.) I realized quickly that the 'Yankees' sent to assist were not really welcomed, due to their attitudes being a bit too condescending. I refereed more than my share of disputes between Louisiana folks and northerners. But I also realized the only folks more suspect than the Yanks were those from California, so I can imagine your difficulties using that line...But the reverse is also true-couple of years later I worked on a post-wildfire project in S. Cal, and it was not so easy getting them to listen to someone from Louisiana, regardless of experience.

I will say good night as well (I'm never up this late, but insomnia is kicking my backside tonight.)
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Quoting sar2401:

GN, Nigel, hope you have a nice day.

Same to you, sar!
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Quoting nigel20:
Good night fellow bloggers!

GN, Nigel, hope you have a nice day.
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Quoting zampaz:
I too bid the blog adieu,
Perhaps tomorrow we'll have more tropics to discuss
and fewer sharks and vodka to contend with.
good night friends.

GN, zam. Strange day today, no doubt.
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Quoting LAbonbon:


No worries about the rant, and no apologies needed. After I posted I looked to the counties east and west of you. GA, to your NE had an HWO, and to your west there is a SWS. It looks like your corner of AL was left out. FYI, Quitman has an areal flood statement posted about a half hour ago-stated 1-2 in/hr rates, w/ total of 4 in.

My background is not meteorology, it's in environmental consulting, and for the last decade there's been a good bit of disaster planning/response/recovery work mixed in. It seems that the qualities of experience, knowledge and decision-making authority are not always residing in the same individuals. JMO, based on experience w/ officials at local, state and federal levels. I definitely understand your frustration.

Looks like you've got more headed your way. And for an unsolicited opinion, you should listen to your fiancée next time she says there's weather about :) Sorry, but I just saw some humor in your earlier post...

LOL about my fiance and the weather. Since I'm literally deaf as a post, I really couldn't hear the thunder, and couldn't believe a storm had blown up that quickly. I usally do listen when she tells me she hears something.

Thanks for checking out the situation around me. At least that helps me feel like I'm not nuts...well,at least about weather. :-) If you look at the WU radar and then bring up severe, it shows the flood advisory for Quitman, ending right at the state line. Eufaula is right across the bridge from Georgetown, Quitman Co. GA. BMX should have been coordinating with Tallahassee (not Jacksonville, too late at night, I guess) so a flood advisory was issued for Barbour Co, AL, at the same time, but that never gets done. It has been discussed many times about coordinating with Atlanta and Tallahassee, but BMX always seems to come with some excuse why it would just be too much work. The funny (sad) thing is our weather radio transmitter is in Texasville AL, and has better coverage for the GA counties on the state line, so the folks in Quitman listen to the same transmitter but with different SAME codes. I've told people here to make sure they put in Quitman County when they program their radios and I just get puzzled looks, since they live in Barbour Co. and can't imagine why they would be interested in the weather in Quitman.

The most frustrating part to me is I spent 27 years in emergency management in California. We had the Disaster of the Month, and about the only incident I never worked out there was a large tornado. I know how it's supposed to be done, and I didn't just show up to this rodeo yesterday. However, I've found out the last thing people want hear is "Well, in California, we did it this way..." I'm quite certain I would have at least been horsewhipped if that was still allowed. :-) I'm treated no differently than a person who just took their first SkyWarn class. One thing I'll give them, though, is that they don't discriminate. They treat us all like morons.

It does look like the instability levels are going down and the storms are going to bed for the night. Probably time for me to do that also. Thanks for listening to my rant.
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I too bid the blog adieu,
Perhaps tomorrow we'll have more tropics to discuss
and fewer sharks and vodka to contend with.
good night friends.
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938. HadesGodWyvern (Mod)
Japan Meteorological Agency
Tropical Cyclone Advisory #19
TROPICAL STORM CIMARON (T1308)
15:00 PM JST July 18 2013
==================================

SUBJECT: Category One Typhoon Named Cyclone In South China Sea

At 6:00 AM UTC, Tropical Storm Cimaron (1000 hPa) located at 22.4N 117.6E has 10 minute sustained winds of 40 knots with gusts of 60 knots. The cyclone is reported as moving northwest at 12 knots.

Gale Force Winds
===============
100 NM from the center in east quadrant
80 NM from the center in west quadrant

Dvorak Intensity: T2.5

Forecast and Intensity
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24 HRS: 25.5N 115.3E - Tropical Depression Overland southern China
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Good night fellow bloggers!
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Somebody mentioned Hurricane Hugo. I remember that one. One weatherlady here in Wilmington nc said everyone east of highway 17 should evacuate. Scared me to death. My mother said not to worry because we had a perfectly good boat in the yard
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The topic is Sharknado...fun...a sense of light heartedness during a lull in the tropics



WELL SAID. Cant we have fun anymore?
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Quoting 933. sar2401:

The post was also not about Dr. M. It was a question why a moderator did what he did. I don't know all the facts, as I previously stated, but what we are and aren't allowed to post here, and who makes decisions about that, is most definitely about weather, since there won't be any weather discussed here if there are no bloggers.

Well said Sir Sar.
The topic is Sharknado...fun...a sense of light heartedness during a lull in the tropics.
There was no text associated with 878 that I saw, and I believe I caught the post immediately Sar.
I find the "Morally Vigilant" morally offensive because they do not cherish freedom of individual expression within community standards which is viewed as a "right to free speech"...according to some.
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Quoting K8eCane:


ITS ABOUT WEATHER.

The post was also not about Dr. M. It was a question why a moderator did what he did. I don't know all the facts, as I previously stated, but what we are and aren't allowed to post here, and who makes decisions about that, is most definitely about weather, since there won't be any weather discussed here if there are no bloggers.
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Quoting dziban303:


Don't kid yourself. "He" writes about what he's told to write about, either by his masters at NBC or his financial adviser. After all, I'm sure he was given a stake in the corporation.

Are you going through all messsages, cherry picking the ones you disagree with, or what?

I think I was the one who first raised this issue, almost directly after the blog was posted. I think there should have been a disclaimer posted that both networks have the same parent, which is just full disclosure, as is normally done when an employee of one division of a company writes a public article about the activities of another division of the company. Since NBC/Universal is a publicly traded company, I believe the SEC actually requires this to be done.

Still, I think it's completely disrespectful to Dr. Masters to treat him as if he's just a slave of his corporate masters. It may very well have been "suggested" to him that he should write a blog about Sharknado, but that doesn't mean there's some evil intention on the part of Dr. Masters. I'm sure part of the deal when he sold WU to TWC involved a stock payment, which is one of the reasons I think a full disclosure statement should have been made, but I'm also pretty certain Dr. Masters is already pretty well fixed for life, and could walk away from NBC/Universal at any time he felt like he was asked to do something unethical, dishonest, or immoral. Again, without knowing all the facts, I don't want to tarnish the character of another.
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Quoting 930. K8eCane:




My Gosh, some of yall act like dr m is a girls gone wild , porn vigilante just because of his post. CHILL


ITS ABOUT WEATHER.
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Quoting 928. zampaz:

Sharnado features a bar scene with bikini clad babes serving drinks. The movie and hence the blog topic itself could be considered to have that "rating."
I suspect one of the "Morally Vigilant" reported the image, and Whitewabit in reflexsive response simply asked Washi to remove the image as a courtesy.
We are all in trouble when our friends cannot express themselves according to community guidelines for fear of the "Morally Vigilant."
The "Morally Vigilant" will stifle freedom of expression even if within community standards. Limiting freedom of speech (within community guidelines) should rankle us all and should not be tolerated.


Sharknado is rated TV-14,

This program contains some material that many parents would find unsuitable for children under 14 years of age.[4]
Programs rated TV-14 may contain some material that parental guardians may find unsuitable for children under the age of 14. The FCC warns that "Parents are cautioned to exercise some care in monitoring this program and are cautioned against letting children under the age of 14 watch unattended."[4] Programs that this rating is applied to include intense violence, strong coarse language, intensely suggestive dialogue, or intense sexual content..[5]



My Gosh, some of yall act like dr m is a girls gone wild , porn vigilante just because of his post. CHILL
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929. JLPR2
Quoting 908. GTstormChaserCaleb:
How about this?



This one was probably worse.



Hurricane Hugo as a cat 4
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Quoting 923. CarolinaHurricanes87:


Sportscenter is a "family show" on a Disney-run channel, and regularly shows beer and liquor commercials. I have seen far worse on this website go unregulated, that's for sure.

Sharnado features a bar scene with bikini clad babes serving drinks. The movie and hence the blog topic itself could be considered to have that "rating."
I suspect one of the "Morally Vigilant" reported the image, and Whitewabit in reflexsive response simply asked Washi to remove the image as a courtesy.
We are all in trouble when our friends cannot express themselves according to community guidelines for fear of the "Morally Vigilant."
The "Morally Vigilant" will stifle freedom of expression even if within community standards. Limiting freedom of speech (within community guidelines) should rankle us all and should not be tolerated.


Sharknado is rated TV-14,

This program contains some material that many parents would find unsuitable for children under 14 years of age.[4]
Programs rated TV-14 may contain some material that parental guardians may find unsuitable for children under the age of 14. The FCC warns that "Parents are cautioned to exercise some care in monitoring this program and are cautioned against letting children under the age of 14 watch unattended."[4] Programs that this rating is applied to include intense violence, strong coarse language, intensely suggestive dialogue, or intense sexual content..[5]
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Quoting 915. sar2401:

That's BMX for you. I have been a SkyWarn volunteer here for six years and constantly frustrated. They tend to be late issuing warnings but, once they start, you can't get them to stop. We've had trained spotters in the field, reporting rotational wall clouds by ham radio. When we notify BMX, it's not unusual to get "Oh, that can't be, we don't show that on radar". After the April, 2011 tornado outbreak, which they also started off behind the power curve, they would issue a tornado warning on everything that looked even vaguely like a severe thunderstorm. The sirens were going off so often no one paid attention, and we were running severe weather nets until 3:00 am, when there were still active warnings in areas that literally had clear skies.

Tonights weather has been a great example, where the HWO only mentioned NE Alabama after midnight for possible severe thunderstorms. There are finally some thunderstorms starting to fire up over N Central AL, but they are due to the outflow boundaries from our storms in SE AL. The trough that was supposed to bring severe storms to NE AL was from Georgia, and it has never gotten above severe limits. I don't know what it would have taken to get STW issued tonight. They did finally issue a SWS about 10:00, when the storms had been ongoing for about 45 minutes. I guess they justified it being just a significant (which does not set off weather radios) because the winds would only be 40 mph. The damage reports certainly sound like winds were at least near, if not at, severe thunderstorm values. We've had half-inch hail, some of the most vicious cloud to ground lightning I've ever seen, and 2.38" of rain at my house, all of which occurred in the last 3.5 hours. I've voiced all these concerns to the forecasters at BMX, as have many of the other net controllers, and we're basically treated like we're a bother.

BMX has one of the highest rates of false alarm tornado warnings of any office in the country, but they all suffered dislocated shoulders from vigorously patting themselves on the back for some sham award given to them by NOAA for their great work during the 2011 tornado outbreak. I was there. I saw it, and their work was far from great.

Sorry for the rant, but I get cranked off at BMX for not doing their jobs correctly, and even more cranked off at some of the eternal defenders of the NWS here, as if they are made up of an army of perfect scientists or something. We are the furthest SE of all the counties in their warning area, and we are basically forgotten down here. Thankfully, just across the river is Quitman County, GA, which is part of the Jacksonville CWA, and does do their jobs as well as can be done by humans. At least I get the warnings for Quitman County from Jacksonville and know mentally they really apply to Barbour County AL as well. I have no idea why I even keep doing SkyWarn, but I just keep plugging away, a little gear in the big machine, and hope some of my work and the work of the other volunteers occasionally helps the members of the public, the ones we're supposed to serve.


No worries about the rant, and no apologies needed. After I posted I looked to the counties east and west of you. GA, to your NE had an HWO, and to your west there is a SWS. It looks like your corner of AL was left out. FYI, Quitman has an areal flood statement posted about a half hour ago-stated 1-2 in/hr rates, w/ total of 4 in.

My background is not meteorology, it's in environmental consulting, and for the last decade there's been a good bit of disaster planning/response/recovery work mixed in. It seems that the qualities of experience, knowledge and decision-making authority are not always residing in the same individuals. JMO, based on experience w/ officials at local, state and federal levels. I definitely understand your frustration.

Looks like you've got more headed your way. And for an unsolicited opinion, you should listen to your fiancée next time she says there's weather about :) Sorry, but I just saw some humor in your earlier post...
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If this was in the ATL, would the NHC name it?

95W


TS Cimaron


94W off Vietnam


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Quoting 920. sar2401:

I was wondering the same thing, but I didn't see the text of what was originally posted. I don't think the Vodka bottle is the issue, but I don't really know, and I'm reluctant to accuse someone of being a "joke" unless I know the facts. Whitewabit is a pretty good moderator and he's not given to power trips, in my experience.


Sportscenter is a "family show" on a Disney-run channel, and regularly shows beer and liquor commercials. I have seen far worse on this website go unregulated, that's for sure.
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Quoting 909. washingtonian115:
Okay.

I should have been more specific, I was hoping whitewabit could meet me...doh.
Oh well...
We can disagree on a lot of things but I'll champion a member's freedom to express themselves in any way which isn't a violation of a community standard.
878 was not a violation of the community standard IMO.
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Quoting 919. sar2401:

Goodevening, Nigel. None of your graphics are showing for me, just the dreaded red "X". :-) You can read about our stormy weather in a rant I just posted, but 37 indhes of rain 4 days is truly unbelievable. We are apporaching 2.5 inches in a little over four hours here, and some of our streets look like miniature rivers. I guess we'd all float away into the lake if we got that much rain.

Hey sar!
I'm not sure, but I'm still able to see them. I was amazed at the level of rainfall that we had in less than a week. The only other time thtat I saw that much rain was from the outer effects of hurricane Michelle in 2001.
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Quoting dziban303:


The word "Vodka" is disallowed? ...because this is a "family site"?

You sure you're not just power tripping?

What a joke.

I was wondering the same thing, but I didn't see the text of what was originally posted. I don't think the Vodka bottle is the issue, but I don't really know, and I'm reluctant to accuse someone of being a "joke" unless I know the facts. Whitewabit is a pretty good moderator and he's not given to power trips, in my experience.
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Quoting nigel20:

What about 37 inches of rain over a four day period. The following are radar images of TS Nicole in 2010...up 37 inches of rain was recorded in Negril, Jamaica.



Good evening, Nigel. None of your graphics are showing for me, just the dreaded red "X". :-) You can read about our stormy weather in a rant I just posted, but 37 indhes of rain 4 days is truly unbelievable. We are apporaching 2.5 inches in a little over four hours here, and some of our streets look like miniature rivers. I guess we'd all float away into the lake if we got that much rain.
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Quoting 647. Astrometeor:


Your point is? Dr. Masters is an individual and chooses by himself what he writes about.


Don't kid yourself. "He" writes about what he's told to write about, either by his masters at NBC or his financial adviser. After all, I'm sure he was given a stake in the corporation.
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Talk about drenching. A total of 5.88" of rain fell today in #Hollywood, Florida. #FLwx
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Quoting 896. whitewabit:
washingtonian115 would you please remove comment 878 .. this is a family site ..


The word "Vodka" is disallowed? ...because this is a "family site"?

You sure you're not just power tripping?

What a joke.
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Quoting LAbonbon:


I took a look at your area on my local (Baton Rouge) weather station. You definitely are getting some weather w/ a wicked amount of lightning, w/ reports posted of downed trees in your county as well as surrounding counties. It is odd that there are no warnings or even 'special weather statements' for your area. The only current warnings I saw were for severe thunderstorms SW of Talladega & Birmingham.

That's BMX for you. I have been a SkyWarn volunteer here for six years and constantly frustrated. They tend to be late issuing warnings but, once they start, you can't get them to stop. We've had trained spotters in the field, reporting rotational wall clouds by ham radio. When we notify BMX, it's not unusual to get "Oh, that can't be, we don't show that on radar". After the April, 2011 tornado outbreak, which they also started off behind the power curve, they would issue a tornado warning on everything that looked even vaguely like a severe thunderstorm. The sirens were going off so often no one paid attention, and we were running severe weather nets until 3:00 am, when there were still active warnings in areas that literally had clear skies.

Tonights weather has been a great example, where the HWO only mentioned NE Alabama after midnight for possible severe thunderstorms. There are finally some thunderstorms starting to fire up over N Central AL, but they are due to the outflow boundaries from our storms in SE AL. The trough that was supposed to bring severe storms to NE AL was from Georgia, and it has never gotten above severe limits. I don't know what it would have taken to get STW issued tonight. They did finally issue a SWS about 10:00, when the storms had been ongoing for about 45 minutes. I guess they justified it being just a significant (which does not set off weather radios) because the winds would only be 40 mph. The damage reports certainly sound like winds were at least near, if not at, severe thunderstorm values. We've had half-inch hail, some of the most vicious cloud to ground lightning I've ever seen, and 2.38" of rain at my house, all of which occurred in the last 3.5 hours. I've voiced all these concerns to the forecasters at BMX, as have many of the other net controllers, and we're basically treated like we're a bother.

BMX has one of the highest rates of false alarm tornado warnings of any office in the country, but they all suffered dislocated shoulders from vigorously patting themselves on the back for some sham award given to them by NOAA for their great work during the 2011 tornado outbreak. I was there. I saw it, and their work was far from great.

Sorry for the rant, but I get cranked off at BMX for not doing their jobs correctly, and even more cranked off at some of the eternal defenders of the NWS here, as if they are made up of an army of perfect scientists or something. We are the furthest SE of all the counties in their warning area, and we are basically forgotten down here. Thankfully, just across the river is Quitman County, GA, which is part of the Jacksonville CWA, and does do their jobs as well as can be done by humans. At least I get the warnings for Quitman County from Jacksonville and know mentally they really apply to Barbour County AL as well. I have no idea why I even keep doing SkyWarn, but I just keep plugging away, a little gear in the big machine, and hope some of my work and the work of the other volunteers occasionally helps the members of the public, the ones we're supposed to serve.
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