Gustav is intensifying again, and headed for Louisiana

By: Dr. Jeff Masters , 8:20 PM GMT on August 31, 2008

Gustav is intensifying again, and threatens to bring a destructive storm surge that will offer a significant test to New Orleans' rebuilt levees when it strikes Louisiana on Monday. Gustav tore across Cuba with 150 mph winds last night, but Cuba exacted a heavy toll on the storm. Passage over Cuba allowed wind shear to penetrate into the core of the storm, disrupting the eyewall and cutting the storm's winds by 35-45 mph. However, Gustav's day over the warm Gulf of Mexico has begun to rejuvenate the storm, and the pressure is starting to fall again. At 3:17 pm EDT, the Hurricane Hunters reported a pressure of 957 mb, down 5 mb from the eye report at 9:48 am. Winds at the surface and at the flight altitude of 10,000 feet have not changed significantly since this morning, and still support classifying Gustav as a strong Category 2 hurricane with top winds of 105 mph. However, the winds should start to increase by late tonight in response to the falling pressure.

The satellite appearance of Gustav is steadily improving. Visible satellite loops of Gustav show that the storm has recently assumed a more symmetric appearance, though the heaviest thunderstorms are still just on the south side of the eye. Upper level winds from the south are creating about 15 knots of shear over Gustav, restricting the upper-level outflow on the south side. The 35-mile wide eye is not very distinct, and the Hurricane Hunters reported that the eyewall was missing a chunk on the southeast side. However, the eye was elliptical this morning, and has now assumed a more circular, well-formed appearance.

The outer spiral bands of Gustav are now visible on New Orleans radar, and some rain bands have already affected the Mississippi River Delta region.


Figure 1. Estimated storm surge from NHC's experimental storm surge model. Note that these values will often differ from the latest official NHC forecast, and one should consult the latest text advisory for the most current storm surge information.

The latest track forecast
The latest 12Z (8 am EDT) model runs have shifted slightly west, with a central Louisiana landfall still the most popular solution. The GFDL model, which has all along insisted that Gustav would arrive at the coast a day earlier than the other models, has proven to have the correct timing. We should not be surprised if the center comes ashore as far east as New Orleans, or as far west as western Louisiana, given the current spread in the model tracks. Once Gustav makes landfall, it will slow down, and pose a significant rainfall/flooding threat to Louisiana and Texas. Portions of this region are under moderate to severe drought, so the flooding could have been worse. Only the HWRF model is forecasting that Gustav will drift southwestward back over the Gulf of Mexico after landfall. I am not expecting Gustav to be reborn off the Texas coast late in the week.

The intensity forecast for Gustav
Wind shear has remained in the moderate range (about 15 knots) today, and is forecast by the SHIPS model to decrease to 10 knots tonight. This amount of shear will allow Gustav to intensify. Gustav is moving further away from the upper-level anticyclone that helped it intensify as it approached Cuba, however. Overall, the upper level wind environment is favorable for intensification, but not as favorable as during yesterday's rapid intensification. Gustav has now left the warm waters of the Loop Current, and is over waters of much lower heat content than it has had. The latest 12Z (8 am EDT) run of the GFDL model forecasts no strengthening, and brings Gustav to shore as a Category 3 hurricane with 115 mph winds. The latest SHIPS intensity model predicts the same thing. The 12Z (8 am EDT) run of the HWRF shows that Gustav will weaken to a Category 2 hurricane by landfall. Given the recent improvement in Gustav's organization, I believe that the storm has time to intensify into at least a Category 3 hurricane with 125-130 mph winds by landfall. Gustav should not intensify as rapidly as it did when approaching Cuba.

Gustav's storm surge is not likely to breach the New Orleans levees--if they perform as designed
Gustav is a very large storm. Like Katrina, Gustav may carry a larger storm surge to the coast than its wind speeds might suggest. Currently, Gustav's diameter of tropical storm force winds is 340 miles. By landfall, this number is forecast to increase to 360 miles, which would make Gustav 80% as large as Katrina was at landfall. NHC's current storm surge forecast calls for a storm surge of 10-14 feet to the right of where the center of Gustav comes ashore. The latest computer generated storm surge map shows that highest surge will be along the levee system along the east side of New Orleans. Storm surge levels of this magnitude are characteristic of a Category 3 hurricane. The levee system of New Orleans is designed to withstand a Category 3 storm surge. If Gustav intensifies more than the NHC forecast is calling for, there is a significant threat of multiple levee failures in the New Orleans levee system resulting in flooding of portions of the city. However, the latest 12Z (8 am EDT) model runs have shifted their landfall points a bit further west, reducing the odds of a Category 4 storm surge in New Orleans. My best guess is that New Orleans will suffer a Category 2 or 3-level storm surge. The levees will hold with that level of storm surge, if they perform as designed.

Comparing Gustav to "Billion-Dollar Betsy"
Gustav's track and expected intensity at landfall are similar to those of Hurricane Betsy of 1965. Betsy was a strong Category 4 hurricane as it crossed the Gulf of Mexico, which then weakened to a Category 3 at landfall, right where Gustav is predicted to make landfall (Figure 2). Betsy brought a storm surge of up to 15 feet to Louisiana (Figure 3). According to wikipedia, levees for the Mississippi River Gulf Outlet along Florida Avenue in the Lower Ninth Ward and on both sides of the Industrial Canal failed. The flood waters reached the eaves of houses in some places and over some one story roofs in the Lower Ninth Ward. These levee breaches flooded parts of Gentilly, the Upper Ninth Ward, and the Lower Ninth Ward of New Orleans as well as Arabi and Chalmette in neighboring St. Bernard Parish. Seventy-six people died in Louisiana, and "Billion-Dollar Betsy" became the first billion-dollar hurricane ($10 billion in 2008 dollars). As a result of the hurricane, the Army Corps of Engineers was tasked with the job of upgrading the New Orleans levee system to withstand "the most severe
combination of meteorological conditions reasonably expected". As of today, that means protection from a Category 3 hurricane, but no higher.


Figure 2. Track of Hurricane Betsy of 1965.


Figure 3. Simulated maximum storm surge from Hurricane Betsy of 1965, as modeled using the ADCIRC model. Image credit: ADCIRC Development Group.

Links to follow:
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Tropical Storm Hanna
The Hurricane Hunters are flying their first mission into Tropical Storm Hanna, and have found a weak tropical storm with 50 mph winds and a central pressure of 997 mb, according the 1:36 pm EDT eye report. Watching satellite loops of Hanna is kind of like watching a stick caught in turbulent rapids--the atmosphere is extremely chaotic in Hanna's vicinity, and it's tough to follow what is going on. Hanna has moved underneath an upper-level low that is pumping cold, dry air in. Hanna is also experiencing wind shear from the upper-level outflow from Hurricane Gustav. These effects have combined to keep Hanna a weak tropical storm. While Hanna does have a large circulation and some respectable upper-level outflow to the north, heavy thunderstorm activity is limited and is removed from the center.

The track forecast for Hanna
The current steering flow driving Hanna to the west is expected to collapse soon, resulting in a slow, erratic motion or small loop for Hanna. By 4-5 days from now, a strong ridge of high pressure is expected to build in, forcing Hanna to the northwest. Most of the long-range models foresee a landfall along the U.S. East Coast late in the week. The most popular model solution (GFS, GFDL, and HWRF) is a landfall Friday in North Carolina, followed by a track up the East Coast. The UKMET model targets South Florida on Friday, and the NOGAPS and ECMWF models target Georgia/northern Florida on Thursday night.

The intensity forecast for Hanna
Hanna will not be able to intensify significantly over the next two days, due to upper low it is situated under, and the outflow from Hurricane Gustav. By Tuesday, both Gustav and the upper low should be weaker, potentially allowing Hanna to intensify. The GFDL, HWRF, and SHIPS intensity models all predict Hanna will be a Category 1 hurricane on Friday. However, due to the uncertain future evolution of Gustav, consider all intensity forecasts for Hanna beyond two days from now low confidence.

Middle Atlantic disturbance, 98L
An area of disturbed weather (98L) is located near 22N, 45W, in the mid-Atlantic Ocean. Visible satellite images show that this disturbance has a well-defined surface circulation. However, the disturbance has very little heavy thunderstorm activity, thanks to 20 knots of wind shear, and some dry air to the west. Wind shear should remain too high to permit development over the next two days, and is highly uncertain after that, due to the upper-atmosphere interactions occurring with Hanna and Gustav. NHC is giving this system a low (<20% chance) of developing into a tropical depression by Tuesday. None of the models develop 98L, but Bermuda should keep an eye it.

Cape Verdes Islands disturbance, 97L
A low pressure system near 16N 35W (97L), is a few hundred miles west-northwest of the Cape Verde Islands. Visible satellite loops show that 97L has a very large closed circulation, but little heavy thunderstorm activity. Dry air on the west side of the storm is getting wrapped into the circulation, interfering with development. Wind shear is a moderate 15 knots, and is expected to stay in the low to moderate range over the next four days. NHC has given this system a high (>50%) chance of developing into a tropical depression by Tuesday. Several of the models develop this system, and the storm is expected to pass close to the northern Lesser Antilles Islands on Friday.

There are two other impressive African tropical waves lined up behind 97L that are also likely to be a threat to develop once they move offshore Africa this week. The long-range GFS model develops both of these waves.

I'll have a short update tonight, if there's any major developments to report.

Jeff Masters

Beginning of Hurricane Gustav (nisefont)
These are some of the first storm clouds from Hurrican Gustav in southern Ascension Parish
Beginning of Hurricane Gustav
Gustav's first sqall in Key West (BilgeH2OMgt)
It's been raining since morning, but this was the first real squall around 15:30 with reported gusts of 54 mph.
Gustav's first sqall in Key West

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2096. thelmores
4:34 AM GMT on September 01, 2008
Looks to me that the convection on Gus is waning a bit.....
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2095. kbilliot
4:33 AM GMT on September 01, 2008
oh also what is a pinhole eye? is that better or worse????

thanks to all u brilliant people out there
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2094. bluewaterblues
4:33 AM GMT on September 01, 2008
Will the levees hold?

Seems to me the people in the know in the big easy are really starting to have their doubts.
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2093. SCwannabe
4:32 AM GMT on September 01, 2008
If you follow this loop with the plotted forecast points...IMO-it looks like this thing is moving more N-NW. It also does look like the eye is tightening up a bit...I'm totally weekend weather forecaster though...Link
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2092. kdav
4:34 AM GMT on September 01, 2008
the eye is still filled in a bit but it may clear out.
2091. djti
4:33 AM GMT on September 01, 2008
Quoting Vortex95:
Wow never seen white before that is a strong area of convection the center may reform there.


i agree...especially with a weaker system like this. the center could very well reform under that massive convection. the shear would still ikely blow the tops off the new center eventually also.
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2090. thelmores
4:32 AM GMT on September 01, 2008
Quoting presslord:
STORMJUNKIE!!!!!!!!!!!!! Georgetown and Myrtle Beach are NOT in the "Carolinas"!!!!!!!!!!!! And you know it...


LOL

And damn.....all this time I thought I lived in the Carolina's.... :D

Spartanburg, Charlotte, Myrtle Beach..... I was covered! LOL
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2089. WxLogic
4:29 AM GMT on September 01, 2008
Quoting cchsweatherman:
Now it seems that both Gustav and Hanna have kicked into a higher gear. Hurricane Gustav has finally formed and maintained an impressive eyewall structure and Tropical Storm Hanna has consolidated its convection into one impressive, yet deceiving burst.

All I have to say tonight is God bless Louisiana as this will not be an ugly storm that could cause terrible damage and, dare I say, stress the levee systems to that max. I'm praying that the levees can hold.

Now, back to a point I made earlier. The impressive convective burst that has developed in association with Tropical Storm Hanna can be called deceptive. Many may think the circulation center is underneath the convective burst, which would indicate significant strengthening, but the center remains on the northern fringe of the convection. Overnight, the center may pull itself underneath this new-found convection, which would help the storm significantly. But, for now, the center still has not located itself underneath the deepest convection.

Despite what all the models indicate, in watching the latest satellite imagery (particularly water vapor), I just don't see Hanna taking an extreme northwestward turn anytime soon. The trough thats supposedly going to turn Hanna northwestward just doesn't seem strong enough to do so, especially if the center relocates underneath the convective burst. Anyone else thinking this?


I'm with you... I posted almost the samething earlier today. The 00Z GFS started shifting further to the west now closer if not on North Central FL. So don't be surprised if more models start shifting towards a track closer to the UKM.
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2088. HurricaneRoman
4:31 AM GMT on September 01, 2008
Hanna is sucha strange strorm!! 0.o
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2087. TheCaneWhisperer
4:32 AM GMT on September 01, 2008
Quoting Crisis57:


Odd to think the COC is north of this?


I am more worried if it is north of it. What happens when it stacks and shear drops?
2086. gordydunnot
4:28 AM GMT on September 01, 2008
Patrap you are a great guy and I enjoy almost all of your videos ,satellites ,opinions and what not but you can come to south central fl and film better than on any given day
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2083. kbilliot
4:26 AM GMT on September 01, 2008
Hello all, don't know if you remember me. I live in Lafourche Parish in La. Now I am in Tallahassee Fl. I keep reading and watching updates on the storm. But what I'm confused and really worried about is the storm surge. I'm trying to do research on it but I really can't find exactly where I am on the maps. I live in Raceland which is about 20-30 miles east of houma and about 45 miles south west of new orleans so I guess you can say in the middle of both. I also live about and hour from the coast of the gulf of mexico. But with bayous and lakes closer. should i be concerned that my house will be under water??????
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2082. tbg
4:32 AM GMT on September 01, 2008
Swanee,
I never have nor would I consider putting children at risk unless there was no other viable alterative. But sometime a boat is safer than being on land because of surge..."Provided", adequate ground tackle is used.
2081. Spoon
12:32 AM EDT on September 01, 2008
Quoting Spoon:
I went ahead and added KLFY because they've been live for a while. Don't know if they'll pull an all-nighter though
go figure a few minutes after I post they drop coverage
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2079. zapa981
4:32 AM GMT on September 01, 2008
Quoting 7544:
wait hanna ate the ull yesterday i think she just ate her own coc and swallow it and now its in her stomach in the middle of the haevy convection


hahaha...
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2078. Masquer08er
11:27 PM CDT on August 31, 2008
NW movement?

You decide.
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2077. azduck
4:29 AM GMT on September 01, 2008
Pet peeve: whoever is writing the chryons at the bottom of the Weather Channel's screen needs an atlas and a dictionary. I don't know how many misspellings I've seen tonight - its embarassing.

Its "BORGNE" not "Borne," for example.

...sheesh...
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2076. taco2me61
11:29 PM CDT on August 31, 2008
Patrap are you still on?????
Just checking in to see if you are ok....

Taco:0(
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2075. weatherblog
4:30 AM GMT on September 01, 2008
So, there is an agreement Hanna's COC is under the burst of convection or north of it?
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2073. StormJunkie
4:28 AM GMT on September 01, 2008
lol press :~)

I'm more concerned about what Gus and sister are up to, and sorry I thought you were still good and drugged!
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2072. NoMeteorsInOlogy
4:29 AM GMT on September 01, 2008
TurRo thanks for the link

Also a Jetsons fan...
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2071. silverstripes
9:29 PM PDT on August 31, 2008
I don't think it's a pinhole eye either. The wider eye has not cleared out all the way. It was clearing then filled back in. Now we have to wait till after blackout to get our next look. Look at recent radar it's becoming more defined now though.
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2070. BajaALemt
4:26 AM GMT on September 01, 2008
2023. TaminFLA

To answer your question....

Link
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2069. KrazyKaneLove
4:24 AM GMT on September 01, 2008
cch i found it odd that the models were showing a northerly turn previous to where she is now sitting, i think we will see a shift west if she doesn't turn in next 24 hours..
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2067. Crisis57
4:30 AM GMT on September 01, 2008
Quoting TheCaneWhisperer:


Odd to see that cold of tops out in our basin.


Odd to think the COC is north of this?
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2066. TheCaneWhisperer
4:29 AM GMT on September 01, 2008
Quoting StormJunkie:
Well, if it is good enough for TCW and Skye, then I am buying it. Thanks for the help!

The inevitable question is what does that mean for the future of Hanna...Don't expect many answers to that right now. Wait and see as always.


Once Gustav is coached inland all resources will turn to Hanna tomorrow. 6 hourly fixes are to begin with an Upper Air Mission.
2065. F1or1d1an
11:20 PM CDT on August 31, 2008
Quoting presslord:
Hey Pat...big Catholic prayers to you and yours...and everyone else down there....
Pat;

Echoing Press's wishes/prayers here from Niceville too - V/J.

Wish you would have evac'd.
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2064. kdav
4:30 AM GMT on September 01, 2008
also now dry air is not going to inhibit it.
2063. Stoopid1
11:26 PM EST on August 31, 2008
Wow, o.k. then. Pinhole eye is very much there. It's amazing, but at the same time it's very sobering.
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2062. 7544
4:28 AM GMT on September 01, 2008
wait hanna ate the ull yesterday i think she just ate her own coc and swallow it and now its in her stomach in the middle of the haevy convection
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2061. jdjnola
4:29 AM GMT on September 01, 2008
Quoting Crisis57:
Very cold cloud tops with Hanna


We saw this with Gus... as well as the convection flaring up south of the center, with a subsequent relocation of the CoC to the south... should be interesting.
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2060. TaminFLA
4:30 AM GMT on September 01, 2008
http://www.gregledet.net/hurricam/hurricam.html

the stupid drunk guys
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2059. bigdoge3
4:29 AM GMT on September 01, 2008
is gus slowing down any? need to keep a eye on that bc if it slows down then it could make that sharp turn west!
2058. cajuncane
4:28 AM GMT on September 01, 2008
Out in Youngsville, LA still waiting out the storm. What should we expect out here? (CAT1,2,3...???)
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2057. weatherwart
12:29 AM EDT on September 01, 2008
Quoting mobilegirl81:
does anyone still have the link to the three guys on the live webcam getting hammered?


You mean these drunk fools? lol

Link
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2056. watchinwxnwpb
12:27 AM EDT on September 01, 2008
Quoting drj27:
i never said i wanted the storm i just ask what to expect because we are under a tropical storm warning and it said 40mph with higher gust but i just dont see that happening
You could get tornadoes from a feater band. Do you have a NOAA radio?
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2055. kdav
4:28 AM GMT on September 01, 2008
that my freinds is an eye.
2054. djti
4:28 AM GMT on September 01, 2008
Quoting Stoopid1:
Is it confirmed that Gustav has a pinhole eye, or was that just a bunch of bologna?


a massive loaf of bologna. if you study the loop its obvious what occured, a brief and tiny absence of clouds above the otherwise cloud filled larger eyewall. look at the loop, not the one frame.
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2053. will40
12:26 AM EDT on September 01, 2008
2037. presslord

well Myrtle Beach almost is lmao
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2052. PotatoWave
11:26 PM CDT on August 31, 2008
Hey, Spoon, feel free to add our station as well.

Link
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2051. zapa981
4:22 AM GMT on September 01, 2008
Quoting cchsweatherman:
Now it seems that both Gustav and Hanna have kicked into a higher gear...The impressive convective burst that has developed in association with Tropical Storm Hanna can be called deceptive. Many may think the circulation center is underneath the convective burst, which would indicate significant strengthening, but the center remains on the northern fringe of the convection. O


What are you using to deduce that the COC is to the north of the convection???
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2050. TheCaneWhisperer
4:28 AM GMT on September 01, 2008
Quoting Crisis57:
Very cold cloud tops with Hanna


Odd to see that cold of tops out in our basin.
2049. AndyN
4:23 AM GMT on September 01, 2008
Good buoy :Link
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2048. lopaka001
12:26 AM EDT on September 01, 2008
Quoting StormJunkie:
Seems that way Skye, and thanks! Wind directions always get me mixed up.

I am not sure that is very good if she was not supposed to really do any intensifying for several days. That is some very cold convection.


The future IKE is coming sooner then later too.
Looks like a TD already..
;(
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2047. Crisis57
4:27 AM GMT on September 01, 2008
Very cold cloud tops with Hanna
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2046. StormJunkie
4:25 AM GMT on September 01, 2008
Well, if it is good enough for TCW and Skye, then I am buying it. Thanks for the help!

The inevitable question is what does that mean for the future of Hanna...Don't expect many answers to that right now. Wait and see as always.
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