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February 2017: Earth's 2nd Warmest February and 4th Warmest Month in Recorded History

By: Jeff Masters 4:07 PM GMT on March 17, 2017

February 2017 was the planet's second warmest February since record keeping began in 1880, said NOAA's National Centers for Environmental Information (NCEI) on Friday; NASA also rated February 2017 as the second warmest February on record. The only warmer February was just last year, in 2016. Remarkably, February 2017 ranked as the fourth warmest month (expressed as the departure of temperature from average) of any month in the global historical record in the NASA database, and was the seventh warmest month in NOAA’s database—despite coming just one month after the end of a 5-month long La Niña event, which acted to cool the globe slightly. The extreme warmth of January 2017 (tenth warmest month of any month in NASA’s database) and February 2017 (fourth warmest) gives 2017 a shot at becoming Earth’s fourth consecutive warmest year on record, if a moderate or stronger El Niño event were to develop by summer, as some models are predicting.

With the exception of last month, the top five warmest months on record since 1880 (expressed as departure from the 1951 - 1980 average) in the NASA database all occurred during the strong El Niño event of 2015 - 2016, which worked to raise global air temperatures by exporting heat from the oceans:

February 2016, 1.32°C above average
March 2016, 1.28°C above average
January 2016, 1.13°C above average
February 2017, 1.10°C above average
December 2015, 1.10°C above average


Global ocean temperatures last month were the second warmest on record for any February, as were global land temperatures. Global satellite-measured temperatures for the lowest 8 km of the atmosphere were the fourth warmest for any February in the 39-year record, according to the University of Alabama Huntsville (UAH).


Figure 1. Departure of temperature from average for February 2017, the 2nd warmest February for the globe since record keeping began in 1880. Warmer- to much-warmer-than-average conditions were present across much of the world's land surfaces, with the most notable warm temperature departures from average (3°C–5°C above the 1981–2010 average) across much of the contiguous U.S., southeastern Canada, and across much of central and eastern Russia. Record warmth was observed over parts of the eastern contiguous United States and northern and southern Mexico. Image credit: National Centers for Environmental Information (NCEI).

No billion-dollar weather disasters in February 2017; one so far in 2017
No billion-dollar weather-related disasters hit the Earth last month, according to the February 2017 Catastrophe Report from insurance broker Aon Benfield. However, a destructive tornado outbreak in the southern U.S. on January 21 - 23 accumulated enough damage claims to be rated a billion dollar weather-related disaster ($1.3 billion in damage) by the end of February, the only billion-dollar weather disaster on Earth during January - February 2017. The deadliest weather-related disaster of February was the rainy season flooding in the southern African country of Zimbabwe, which killed at least 246 people and cost over $100 million.


Figure 2. The only billion dollar weather-related disaster on Earth during January - February of 2017 was a destructive tornado outbreak in the southern U.S. on January 21 - 23 that killed 21 people and did $1.3 billion in damage. At least 79 tornadoes touched down between January 21 - 23, with three of them being rated EF3. These three EF3s were responsible for 20 of the 21 deaths in the outbreak. The deadliest tornado hit Adel, Georgia, killing 11 people. In this image, we see the William Carey University's School of Business on Saturday, Jan. 21, 2017, after it was damaged by a pre-dawn EF3 tornado that moved through Hattiesburg, MS, killing 4 people. Image credit: AP Photo/Rogelio V. Solis.

El Niño on its way?
In its early March monthly advisory, NOAA’s Climate Prediction Center (CPC) stated that neither El Niño nor La Niña conditions were present in the Eastern Pacific, and sea surface temperatures (SSTs) in the benchmark Niño 3.4 region (in the equatorial Pacific) were near average. SSTs of 0.5°C or more above average in this region are required to be classified as weak El Niño conditions. NOAA forecasters estimate an approximately 75% chance of neutral conditions lasting through the spring, with increasing chances of an El Niño after June (50 - 55% chance.) The latest Australian Bureau of Meteorology models are more aggressive about predicting El Niño, showing El Niño conditions by April (using NOAA's SST benchmark), and the latest June-July-August run of the UKMET model predicted a moderate El Niño this summer. However, predictions made in March of El Niño are of low skill, due to the so-called “spring predictability barrier”, and we should have lower-than-usual confidence in these forecasts. The GFS model is currently not predicting any “westerly wind bursts” of surface winds in the Western Pacific that would help along the development of El Niño during the next two weeks. El Niño conditions tend to suppress Atlantic hurricane activity by bringing strong upper-level winds to the tropical Atlantic, creating high wind shear that tears storms apart.


Figure 3. Sea surface temperatures (SSTs) in the benchmark Niño 3.4 region (in the equatorial Pacific) have been a few tenths of a degree above average since mid-February; SSTs of 0.5°C or more above average in this region are required to be classified as weak El Niño conditions. Image credit: Levi Cowan, tropicaltidbits.com.

Arctic and Antarctic sea ice falls to lowest February extent on record
Arctic sea ice extent during February 2017 was the lowest in the 39-year satellite record, beating the record set in February 2016, according to the National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC). The record low ice extent was due, in large part, to very warm air temperatures in the Arctic—temperatures at the 925 mb level (approximately 2,500 feet above sea level) were 2 - 5 degrees Celsius (4 - 9 degrees Fahrenheit) above average over the Arctic Ocean during February.

Sea ice has been exceptionally scant on the other end of the globe. Antarctic sea ice extent dropped below the lowest values recorded in any month in the satellite record by mid-February. They continued to sag until reaching a new record-low extent in early March.

Aging satellites for monitoring Arctic sea ice bring concern
In their March 6 monthly update, NSIDC sounded the alarm about a looming satellite gap that threatens the continuity of the 39-year satellite record of sea ice extent. After the 2016 failure of the F19 polar-orbiting satellite, there are just three satellites remaining that perform sea ice extent monitoring. These are the American F18 and F16 satellites, which are operating 2 and 8 years beyond their designed 5-year lifetimes, respectively, and the Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency (JAXA) Advanced Microwave Scanning Radiometer 2 (AMSR2), which will reach its 5-year design lifetime in May 2017. It is unlikely that a new sea ice extent monitoring satellite will be launched before 2022.

Notable global heat and cold marks set for February 2017
Hottest temperature in the Northern Hemisphere: 42.5°C (108.5°F) at Matam, Senegal, 27 February
Coldest temperature in the Northern Hemisphere: -58.0°C (-72.4°F) at Delyankir, Russia, 2 February
Hottest temperature in the Southern Hemisphere: 48.2°C (118.8°F) at Tarcoola, Australia, 9 February
Coldest temperature in the Southern Hemisphere: -58.8°C (-73.8°F) at Dome A, Antarctica, 28 February
(Courtesy of Maximiliano Herrera.)

Major weather stations that set (not tied) new all-time heat or cold records in February 2017
Kish Island (Iran) min. 7.6°C, 3 February
Jabel Jais (United Arab Emirates) min. -5.4°C,  3 February: New national record low for the United Arab Emirates (for uninhabited places)
Abu Samra (Qatar) min. 1.5°C,  5 February: New national record low for Qatar
Tromelin Island (French Southern Territories, France) max. 34.9°C,  8 and 10 February
Cilaos (Reunion Island, France) max. 30.5°C,  10 February
Oberon (Australia) max. 36.2°C,  10 February
Hillston (Australia) max. 46.1°C,  10 February increased to 47.2°C on 11 February
Applethorpe (Australia) max. 39.7°C,  11 February
Warwick (Australia) max. 42.2°C,  11 February
Wyalong (Australia) max. 46.3°C,  11 February
Peak Hill (NSW) (Australia) max. 46.0°C,  11 February
Condobolin (Australia) max. 46.9°C,  11 February
Nyngan (Australia) max. 47.4°C,  11 February
Guyra (Australia) max. 35.1°C,  11 February
Williamtown (Australia) max. 45.5°C,  11 February
Paterson (Australia) max. 47.0°C,  11 February
Cessnock (Australia) max. 46.8°C,  11 February
Singleton (Australia) max. 47.2°C,  11 February
Gulgong (Australia) max. 43.5°C,  11 February
Mudgee (Australia) max. 43.9°C,  11 February
Bathurst (Australia) max. 41.5°C,  11 February
Bathurst Airport (Australia) max. 42.1°C,  11 February
Katoomba (Australia) max. 37.7°C,  11 February
Orange (Australia) max. 40.1°C,  11 February
Dunedoo (Australia) max. 45.4°C,  11 February
Wellington (Australia) max. 45.0°C,  11 February
Parkes (Australia) max. 45.9°C,  11 February
Forbes (Australia) max. 46.7°C,  11 February
Dubbo (Australia) max. 46.1°C,  11 February
Goulburn (Australia) max. 41.2°C,  11 February
Young (Australia) max. 43.0°C,  11 February
Oakey (Australia) max. 42.1°C,  11 February, increased to 42.8°C on 12 February
Toowoomba (Australia) max. 39.5°C,  11 February, increased to 40.8°C on 12 February
Tenterfield (Australia) max. 38.9°C,  11 February, increased to 39.9°C on 12 February
Murrurundi (Australia) max. 42.0°C,  11 February, increased to 42.2°C on 12 February
Scone (Australia) max. 45.7°C,  11 February, increased to 46.5°C on 12 February
Gatton (Australia) max. 45.7°C,  12 February
Kingaroy (Australia) max. 41.6°C,  12 February
Injune (Australia) max. 44.2°C,  12 February
Tamworth (Australia) max. 45.9°C,  12 February
Armidale (Australia) max. 37.6°C,  12 February
Grafton (Australia) max. 46.3°C,  12 February
Casino (Australia) max. 45.7°C,  12 February
Kempsey (Australia) max. 46.7°C,  12 February
Yarras (Australia) max. 43.2°C,  12 February
Port Macquarie (Australia) max. 46.6°C,  12 February
Taree (Australia) max. 45.7°C,  12 February
Mangalore (India) max. 38.7°C,  15 February
Cocos Island Airport (Cocos Islands, Australia) max. 32.9°C,  23 February: New Territorial record high for Cocos Islands
Tacna Airport (Peru) max. 33.2°C,  26 February

(Courtesy of Maximiliano Herrera.)

One all-time national heat record and two all-time national cold records set in February 2017
One territory set an all-time record for hottest temperature in recorded history in February 2017: Australia’s Cocos Islands. Two nations set all-time national cold records last month: United Arab Emirates (for an uninhabited place), and Qatar. Most nations do not maintain official databases of extreme temperature records, so the national temperature records reported here are in many cases not official. I use as my source for international weather records researcher Maximiliano Herrera, one of the world's top climatologists, who maintains a comprehensive list of extreme temperature records for every nation in the world on his website. If you reproduce this list of extremes, please cite Maximiliano Herrera as the primary source of the weather records. So far in 2017, we have two all-time national heat records and two all-time national cold records.

All-time national heat records set in 2017:
Chile: 113°F (45.0°C), 26 January
Cocos Islands: (Australia): 91.2°F (32.9°C),  23 February

All-time national cold records set in 2017:
United Arab Emirates: Jabel Jais, 22.3°F (-5.4°C),  3 February
Qatar: Abu Samra, 34.7°F (1.5°C),  5 February

Have a great weekend, everyone!

Jeff Masters

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thanks for the update
The Human caused increase in CO2 from burning fossil fuels Globally continues the warming...

unabated.


Quoting 5. dentalque:

There is no evidence of human causality in this blog. It was a warm month. What do you think is causing it?

Listen, if you aren't a paid hack and really want to know the answer to that, I suggest you educate yourself. Here is a good place to start:
https://www.skepticalscience.com/
Quoting Jeff Masters:

Arctic and Antarctic sea ice falls to lowest February extent on record
Arctic sea ice extent during February 2017 was the lowest in the 39-year satellite record, beating the record set in February 2016, according to the National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC). The record low ice extent was due, in large part, to very warm air temperatures in the Arctic—temperatures at the 925 mb level (approximately 2,500 feet above sea level) were 2 - 5 degrees Celsius (4 - 9 degrees Fahrenheit) above average over the Arctic Ocean during February.
Speaking of: it appears that Arctic sea ice extent as measured by both the NSIDC and IJIS maxed out for the year about a week ago, setting new record low peaks for both metrics. Here's NSIDC. Click for a larger image:


Going to be an, er, interesting summer at the top of the world...
Quoting 5. dentalque:

There is no evidence of human causality in this blog. It was a warm month. What do you think is causing it?
Bloviating by denialists. Look in the mirror.
Oroville Dam 15 March Flyover and Update Link
Compared to the previous months, we can note fewer areas with record warmest conditions, but almost a worldwide widespread positive thermal anomaly (warmer than average or much warmer than average).
Areas with negative thermal anomalies (including the cold blob in the Northern Atlantic) are disappearing.
The warming is becoming "more global".
Quoting 5. dentalque:

There is no evidence of human causality in this blog. It was a warm month. What do you think is causing it?

Information showing human causality are not posted to every blog post here. http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/science_and_i mpacts/science/human-contribution-to-gw-faq.html#. WMwfYjvyuUk
Quoting 20. maxcrc:

Compared to the previous months, we can note fewer areas with record warmest conditions, but almost a worldwide widespread positive thermal anomaly (warmer than average or much warmer than average).
Areas with negative thermal anomalies (including the cold blob in the Northern Atlantic) are disappearing.
The warming is becoming "more global".



I wonder if February 2016 has too much overlap for everything to be record warm the way it was compared to previous months
Quoting 17. Neapolitan:

Speaking of: it appears that Arctic sea ice extent as measured by both the NSIDC and IJIS maxed out for the year about a week ago, setting new record low peaks for both metrics. Here's NSIDC. Click for a larger image:


Going to be an, er, interesting summer at the top of the world...


I ran across this article recently and wondered if it was factual. If this is factual, I know it doesnt mean that Climate Change isnt happening ...but how would it change the way ice loss is measured?

Up to half of the Arctic’s melt might be totally natural
But climate change is still responsible for the rest

Link
Quoting 20. maxcrc:

Compared to the previous months, we can note fewer areas with record warmest conditions, but almost a worldwide widespread positive thermal anomaly (warmer than average or much warmer than average).
Areas with negative thermal anomalies (including the cold blob in the Northern Atlantic) are disappearing.
The warming is becoming "more global".



The record breaking warmest event for the time of the season, for any arbitrary locality, seems to be occurring with a greater frequency than what we might have expected just 50 years ago. Am I just imaging this, or is this something that you are seeing as well?
"Aging satellites for monitoring Arctic sea ice bring concern"

If climate science is allowed to go blind it will be just fine with the deniers currently controlling the US gov't. They are busy slashing funding for every bit of climate research they can find. They don't want to know there is a problem, and they really don't want voters to know.
Quoting 5. dentalque:

There is no evidence of human causality in this blog. It was a warm month. What do you think is causing it?

As it happens, I know what is causing it: CO2 in the atmosphere that humans have raised to levels unprecedented for at least 800 thousand years. What do you think is causing it? Unicorns?
Quoting 5. dentalque:

There is no evidence of human causality in this blog. It was a warm month. What do you think is causing it?
It's God's wrath for not believing in the science he created.
Quoting 28. dentalque:


Thank you. I read all of it.
I remain unconvinced that the concentration of CO2 is the root cause. The reason is that they just state it as a fact. There is no experimental data showing this to be true on a planetary scale. For example we have detailed data on Mars' ice caps. They seem to be shrinking over the last several decades. In addition, when I look at solar intensity levels, precession, and the changes in the Earth's magnetic field as we head for a (long overdue) field reversal, I believe that these are bigger players in the equation. I appreciate your link. Just look up at the people who commented on my above comment on this (or the previous post - comment #200-290's) you will see that WU is just not following their own rules on terms of service. That is the price of (politely or otherwise) questioning the current orthodoxy.
Question all you want and I encourage you to be skeptical, but...there's just too much writing on the wall, going back for over 100 years. I personally think you are just giving it lip service and while you might read it, that's doesn't mean that you actually comprehend it as you throw out half-baked bs about field reversals and the like.
Unlike your musings, CO2 and other greenhouse gases have had their properties known FOR A VERY LONG TIME.
Quoting 28. dentalque:


Thank you. I read all of it.
I remain unconvinced that the concentration of CO2 is the root cause. The reason is that they just state it as a fact. There is no experimental data showing this to be true on a planetary scale. For example we have detailed data on Mars' ice caps. They seem to be shrinking over the last several decades. In addition, when I look at solar intensity levels, precession, and the changes in the Earth's magnetic field as we head for a (long overdue) field reversal, I believe that these are bigger players in the equation. I appreciate your link. Just look up at the people who commented on my above comment on this (or the previous post - comment #200-290's) you will see that WU is just not following their own rules on terms of service. That is the price of (politely or otherwise) questioning the current orthodoxy.

It's basic chemistry. Carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas. Greenhouse gas theory explains why Venus is hot. Here is a video of Isaac Asimov explaining it. Made in 1989, incidentally, it's not like we haven't known about this problem for a long time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSqdklAux-c
Quoting 23. justmehouston:



I ran across this article recently and wondered if it was factual. If this is factual, I know it doesnt mean that Climate Change isnt happening ...but how would it change the way ice loss is measured?

Up to half of the Arctic’s melt might be totally natural
But climate change is still responsible for the rest

Link
There's been a lot of discussion about the article, with many experts in the field believing it to be flawed. Not fatally so, but definitely with issues. Among those issues, the authors can be interpreted as saying that not all of the ice melt is directly attributable to AGW, but that a bit less than half of it is attributable to circulation patterns that have changed as a result of AGW. Anyway, not to rehash it here, but a good place to start: Influence of high-latitude atmospheric circulation changes on summertime Arctic sea ice?
Quoting 28. dentalque:


Thank you. I read all of it.
I remain unconvinced that the concentration of CO2 is the root cause. The reason is that they just state it as a fact.
There is no experimental data showing this to be true on a planetary scale. For example we have detailed data on Mars' ice caps. They seem to be shrinking over the last several decades. In addition, when I look at solar intensity levels, precession, and the changes in the Earth's magnetic field as we head for a (long overdue) field reversal, I believe that these are bigger players in the equation. I appreciate your link. Just look up at the people who commented on my above comment on this (or the previous post - comment #200-290's) you will see that WU is just not following their own rules on terms of service. That is the price of (politely or otherwise) questioning the current orthodoxy.


The human experiment of adding CO2 into the atmosphere is happening in the wild, with no controls and with no way to end the experiment. We are witnessing live what happens when you add greenhouse gases to a planet's atmosphere. No one is saying that it is just the rising levels of CO2 that have led to such a rapid loss of sea ice in the Arctic region, but for you to suggest that this has not been a major player in this would simply be unrealistic and unsupported.
Quoting 29. bwtranch:

Question all you want and I encourage you to be skeptical, but...there's just too much writing on the wall, going back for over 100 years. I personally think you are just giving it lip service and while you might read it, that's doesn't mean that you actually comprehend it as you throw out half-baked bs about field reversals and the like.
Unlike your musings, CO2 and other greenhouse gases have their properties known FOR A VERY LONG TIME.
So your basing this on only 100yrs., seems like a short time for this experiment. and how old is the planet and the climate on this planet, that is constantly changing? Really a very short time to state this Climate Change theory is totally caused by man.
Quoting 33. NativeSun:

So your basing this on only 100yrs., seems like a short time for this experiment. and how old is the planet and the climate on this planet, that is constantly changing? Really a very short time to state this Climate Change theory is totally caused by man.


You are asking how old the planet is when you should be asking how long has human activity been increasing the amount of greenhouse gases that it has been putting into the atmosphere. You don't have to go back to the big bang to figure this out.
Quoting 31. Neapolitan:

There's been a lot of discussion about the article, with many experts in the field believing it to be flawed. Not fatally so, but definitely with issues. Among those issues, the authors can be interpreted as saying that not all of the ice melt is directly attributable to AGW, but that a bit less than half of it is attributable to circulation patterns that have changed as a result of AGW. Anyway, not to rehash it here, but a good place to start: Influence of high-latitude atmospheric circulation changes on summertime Arctic sea ice?


Thanks for responding and for the additional link
Quoting 33. NativeSun:

So your basing this on only 100yrs., seems like a short time for this experiment. and how old is the planet and the climate on this planet, that is constantly changing? Really a very short time to state this Climate Change theory is totally caused by man.
No, I'm talking about the chemistry and physics of the gases in question, not the analysis of climate change itself. That's another topic and far too vast to cover in a sound bite.
Please try to pay attention to the area being discussed.
Quoting 28. dentalque:


Thank you. I read all of it.
I remain unconvinced that the concentration of CO2 is the root cause. The reason is that they just state it as a fact. There is no experimental data showing this to be true on a planetary scale. For example we have detailed data on Mars' ice caps. They seem to be shrinking over the last several decades. In addition, when I look at solar intensity levels, precession, and the changes in the Earth's magnetic field as we head for a (long overdue) field reversal, I believe that these are bigger players in the equation. I appreciate your link. Just look up at the people who commented on my above comment on this (or the previous post - comment #200-290's) you will see that WU is just not following their own rules on terms of service. That is the price of (politely or otherwise) questioning the current orthodoxy.

When you criticize the blog authors for not understanding science when you clearly demonstrate you have no understanding of science (you obviously don't understand what a scientific theory is or means), it's hard for anyone to take you for anything but a bull-baiter or paid hack. When you bait bulls for sport, it's silly to be upset when they, you know, try to gore you. Show us you're serious about learning, and we'll take you seriously. Did you look up the definition of scientific theory? Did you reflect on why that invalidates your dismissal of global warming theory?
Quoting 24. Some1Has2BtheRookie:



The record breaking warmest event for the time of the season, for any arbitrary locality, seems to be occurring with a greater frequency than what we might have expected just 50 years ago. Am I just imaging this, or is this something that you are seeing as well?


Of course, the average temperature is higher and statistically the chances of beating records of highest temperatures are greater.
But what i meant to say, compared to THE PREVIOUS MONTHS (GLOBALLY) if you look at the map, the red (above average) is widespread almost allover the planet, with no medium or dark blue areas at all but also with little bit less record warmest (dark red) compared to the 2015-2016 Nino years.
We are in a ENSO neutral year ,but 2017 will be warmer than most Nino years (except 2015 and 2016).
I have little doubts we are into a new climatic step, similar to what had happened in and after 1998.
Quoting 31. Neapolitan:

There's been a lot of discussion about the article, with many experts in the field believing it to be flawed. Not fatally so, but definitely with issues. Among those issues, the authors can be interpreted as saying that not all of the ice melt is directly attributable to AGW, but that a bit less than half of it is attributable to circulation patterns that have changed as a result of AGW. Anyway, not to rehash it here, but a good place to start: Influence of high-latitude atmospheric circulation changes on summertime Arctic sea ice?


Whether the study is true or not, I am not sure. As for your link, the author even says he sees no obvious holes. Also asks in the piece, "Are we really going sit still for that? Of course not". He has no evidence of anything and simply writes a hit piece because he does not like the conclusions.
It appears as though we are off on a Gish Gallop, but I thought I'd just do a search on Mars and actually read a few things for myself before drawing any conclusions....

"All planets experience a few wobbles as they make their journey around the sun. Earth's wobbles are known as Milankovitch cycles and occur on time scales of between 20,000 and 100,000 years.

These fluctuations change the tilt of Earth's axis and its distance from the sun and are thought to be responsible for the waxing and waning of ice ages on Earth.

Mars and Earth wobble in different ways, and most scientists think it is pure coincidence that both planets are between ice ages right now.

"Mars has no [large] moon, which makes its wobbles much larger, and hence the swings in climate are greater too," Wilson said."
@ http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/07 0228-mars-warming_2.html

"Unlike Earth, ice ages on Mars occur when its poles are warmer than average and frozen water is more stable at lower latitudes. Transitions between lengthy climate phases can leave telltale features in the ice, the research showed.

For example, Smith and colleagues found dramatic slopes in layers of ice within the Martian northern ice cap. Other layers reveal ice flowing in reverse direction. The climate cycles are triggered by changes in Mars' orbit and tilt, which affect how much sunlight reaches the planet's surface.

The shifts are particularly dramatic on Mars because theplanet's tilt changes by as much as 60 degrees, compared to variations in Earth's tilt of about 2 degrees."
@ http://www.reuters.com/article/us-space-mars-clima te-idUSKCN0YH29N

[These quotes are just what I found in a quick search, and they are popular articles that link to scientists and their published works, so if anyone wants to drill down and do further research on these scientists and/or their work and their credentials, they can.]

So, it seems that if the ice caps on Mars are shrinking, that shrinking ice caps are NOT necessarily evidence of a Mars global warming trend, but quite possibly evidence of Mars global cooling trend. Yes, it seems counter-intuitive, but that's what we have science for, to help us understand why things aren't always what they 'seem' to be according to one's 'gut' instincts. That's why it is important to pay attention to scientists and what they learn from their research.
Quoting 38. maxcrc:



Of course, the average temperature is higher and statistically the chances of beating records of highest temperatures are greater.
But what i meant to say, compared to THE PREVIOUS MONTHS (GLOBALLY) if you look at the map, the red (above average) is widespread almost allover the planet, with no medium or dark blue areas at all but also with little bit less record warmest (dark red) compared to the 2015-2016 Nino years.
We are in a ENSO neutral year ,but 2017 will be warmer than most Nino years (except 2015 and 2016).
I have little doubts we are into a new climatic step, similar to what had happened in and after 1998.


I was not questioning what you were saying. The graphic, when compared with previous years, clearly shows what you are saying. What I was eluding alluding to is the rate of warming appears, to me, to be increasing more than it was just 50 years ago. I would venture to say the rate of warming has dramatically increased this century when compared to the last century. I seriously question as to long how we have before mitigation efforts have to be abandoned in favor of stronger efforts toward adaptation. Our ability to successfully adapt will depend largely on how many of the species that we depend on will also be able to successfully adapt, at least in my opinion. I sense that our time may be running short.
Quoting 28. dentalque:


I remain unconvinced that the concentration of CO2 is the root cause. (...) There is no experimental data showing this to be true on a planetary scale.


How, specifically, would you suggest one do a "planetary scale" experiment to verify the greenhouse effect? We don't exactly have a closet full of 'control' planets that we can _not_ dump gigatons of CO2 into the atmospheres of.
Quoting 38. maxcrc:



Of course, the average temperature is higher and statistically the chances of beating records of highest temperatures are greater.
But what i meant to say, compared to THE PREVIOUS MONTHS (GLOBALLY) if you look at the map, the red (above average) is widespread almost allover the planet, with no medium or dark blue areas at all but also with little bit less record warmest (dark red) compared to the 2015-2016 Nino years.
We are in a ENSO neutral year ,but 2017 will be warmer than most Nino years (except 2015 and 2016).
I have little doubts we are into a new climatic step, similar to what had happened in and after 1998.
No doubt in my mind that it's a new era. I think SS Sandy was a defining moment if one has to pick one.
Quoting 28. dentalque:


Thank you. I read all of it.
I remain unconvinced that the concentration of CO2 is the root cause. The reason is that they just state it as a fact.

Are you ready for this? Sit down. It'll knock you right off your feet otherwise. Here goes. It's not science's job to convince you. Science's job is to explain observations in the natural world in a natural way using verifiable evidence and a transparent process. In the case of the current warming, there is no reasonable doubt as to its primary cause - human activity. The burning of fossil fuels is the primary human activity releasing excess CO2 into our atmosphere. (Isotopic concentrations of CO2 demonstrate that with no reasonable doubt.) CO2 blocks outgoing infrared radiation from leaving the surface. That is a measured, demonstrated fact that has been known for a very long time (at least the early 19th century). Now, what you make of all that is your business. Believe it. Disbelieve it. Make a hat, or a brooch, or pterodactyl (flapping noises). It makes no difference to science, scientists, those familiar with the science, or -most importantly- the Earth.

I say good to you, sir...or madam. Whatever.

Good day!
Quoting 44. Misanthroptimist:


Are you ready for this? Sit down. It'll knock you right off your feet otherwise. Here goes. It's not science's job to convince you. Science's job is to explain observations in the natural world in a natural way using verifiable evidence and a transparent process. In the case of the current warming, there is no reasonable doubt as to its primary cause - human activity. The burning of fossil fuels is the primary human activity releasing excess CO2 into our atmosphere. (Isotopic concentrations of CO2 demonstrate that with no reasonable doubt.) CO2 blocks outgoing infrared radiation from leaving the surface. That is a measured, demonstrated fact that has been known for a very long time (at least the early 19th century). Now, what you make of all that is your business. Believe it. Disbelieve it. Make a hat, or a brooch, or pterodactyl (flapping noises). It makes no difference to science, scientists, those familiar with the science, or -most importantly- the Earth.

I say good to you, sir...or madam. Whatever.

Good day!
This very true, the Earth gives not a rat's behind what you believe. People always say, "Save the Planet", when the planet does not care what you do or believe. It should be, "Try and Save Yourself (and the other poor creatures you kill everyday)".
Quoting 33. NativeSun:

So your basing this on only 100yrs., seems like a short time for this experiment. and how old is the planet and the climate on this planet, that is constantly changing? Really a very short time to state this Climate Change theory is totally caused by man.

No. It's based on thousands of years of measurement. However, you are merely seeking to misdirect with the age of the Earth question. It's an old dodge and highly ineffective.

It's also irrelevant. The fact is that the temperature is trending upward more rapidly than in any time prior that didn't include a large disaster of some kind (large meteor strike, large volcanic explosion, interruption of THC, etc.). When this is cross-indexed with the fact that we over seven billion people relying on the climate as its been the past few thousand years then the problem with the current warming comes into focus. (It should also enlighten you as to why your "Earth is billions of years old" dribble is inapplicable and unimportant.)

I will say this: AGW is no problem at all to those that do not value human life or the environment or actively hate one or the other. I hope that such people are rare. A good many lives depend upon it.
Quoting 45. bwtranch:

This very true, the Earth gives not a rat's behind what you believe. People always say, "Save the Planet", when the planet does not care what you do or believe. It should be, "Try and Save Yourself (and the other poor creatures you kill everyday)".
the planet will always be here humans well we will see
@28 "I remain unconvinced that the concentration of CO2 is the root cause. The reason is that they just state it as a fact."

That's because it is a fact. If every fact were subjected to this type of requirement, every explanation of the dynamics and kinematics of the solar system would have to start out with a primer on Copernicus, Galileo, Kepler's Laws, an explanation of Newtonian Gravity, and work up to an exposition of Tensor Calculus that explains General Relativity and how it is necessary to include General Relativity when making precise calculations of planetary orbits. General Relativity is a fact - should every discussion of its use in predicting orbits in our Solar System include all that? No. And it wouldn't change anyone's mind who still believes that the Sun orbits the Earth anyway.
Quoting 39. nymore:



Whether the study is true or not, I am not sure. As for your link, the author even says he sees no obvious holes. Also asks in the piece, "Are we really going sit still for that? Of course not". He has no evidence of anything and simply writes a hit piece because he does not like the conclusions.
That "author" is a climate modeller who earned a master's degree in mathematics as well as a doctorate, both from Oxford. He's worked extensively in the area of Arctic sea ice, and has both authored and reviewed tons of peer-reviewed papers. Now, that's not a call to authority; it's merely pointing at his bona fides and recognizing that if anyone knows what to believe via-a-vis Arctic sea ice, it's probably him. IOW, his isn't a "hit piece" based on anything so simply as a dislike of the conclusions; it's his highly educated and experienced perspective on the paper and what its authors may have gotten wrong.
Incorrect beliefs will not yield to facts. Stop wasting time guys, at best they don't wish to be persuaded, at worst they're trolling.
Quoting 39. nymore:



Whether the study is true or not, I am not sure. As for your link, the author even says he sees no obvious holes. Also asks in the piece, "Are we really going sit still for that? Of course not". He has no evidence of anything and simply writes a hit piece because he does not like the conclusions.

Actually, Stoat makes a couple interesting points. One is that the study is based entirely upon models (which doesn't matter to him or me but suddenly seems to be a drawback no longer among the denialists). It seems hypocritical for the denialists to love such a study.

His last paragraph is this: "The flaw in this overall, without looking at the details, is that it’s hard to see a near-40-year trend and being so much natural variability. That seems to be asking for an awful lot of one-way variation."

I will also add that assuming that that paper is exactly right...well, that makes those climate models right again since they have underestimated the effects of AGW in the Arctic by just about the same amount as the authors of the paper claim is caused by Greenland Hs.

And if that is the case, then the paper refutes itself. For sport I'll let the reader figure out why.
To deny the known is to perpetrate a lie. Two options; ignorance or agenda. We are in a mass extinction period, historic water supplies drying up across the planet, almost all glaciers are receding at incredible pace, SST's are off the charts, climate change was a big part of the Arab Spring as drought in Russia let to huge spikes in food costs, 15 out of last 16 years were the warmest years in recorded history, sea level rise is happening far faster than expected, strongest recorded hurricane in history, 1/1000 year events increasing, Arctic sea ice at all time lows, methane release on the rapid increase as the Arctic melts, invasive species moving further north and fast, grow zones have changed in rapid fashion over the last 30 years, measurable CO2 increasing ever faster in atmosphere, and now I will sum it up. Greenhouse gases highest on record, global SST's highest ever recorded, global sea levels highest ever recorded, global upper ocean heat content highest ever recorded, global surface temperatures highest ever recorded. And that's all within the last two years. The scientific community has conclusively proved their theory. There is no doubt. There is also no doubt this administration is putting the few ahead of the many in every single decision made. There is a cost to be paid. And there will be no getting around that. We and our planet have been sold out and any shill or blind here should take a real hard look at the science and get on board defending truth. It's not hard to find.
Quoting 50. Greg01:

Incorrect beliefs will not yield to facts. Stop wasting time guys, at best they don't wish to be persuaded, at worst they're trolling.

Persuading them isn't even on my agenda. They are merely input. I (and many others) answer not for those who post anti-science bumblegloop, but those casual readers trying to tell science from bumblegloop.
Don't you guys know when you are being played?
@50 "Incorrect beliefs will not yield to facts. Stop wasting time guys, at best they don't wish to be persuaded, at worst they're trolling."

Have you seen the latest research? It backs you up on the troll thing:

"These trolls are some truly difficult people. It is your suffering that brings them pleasure, so the best thing you can do is ignore them."

@ https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/your-online-s ecrets/201409/internet-trolls-are-narcissists-psyc hopaths-and-sadists
@@ http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S 0191886914000324

However, if there is a chance that someone comes here to look for facts, or ideas about how to deal with real life people who are genuinely interested in coming to grips with reality, it may be of some use to them to see some of the comments here, in my opinion.

I have actually met and spoken with one or two such people in the real world, and the more I have seen the comments on this blog over the years that I have spent lurking, the better prepared I have become to engage with the rare, sincere individual whose mind might be opened or changed.

We have to try to help those who are sincere, but when someone can be identified as a troll I agree that they should be ignored. They should be banned or have their comments deleted but when they are not it must be made clear to the occasional or casual reader that the science is settled and solid on this issue. Speaking for myself, my replies are for others who may read, and are not really directed at trolls who make the original comments. So, I'm not really suffering or "being played" - just doing a thing that needs doing when I can.
For all the climate change skeptics, I would like to open a constructive dialogue with you. What facts, that were researched and proven to be accurate using accepted scientific method, would convince you that anthropogenic climate change was real and currently occurring?
Quoting 55. Grothar:

Don't you guys know when you are being played?

Does it matter? I mean, I see people posting logical responses, links to reputable sources, and just generally educational posts in response to being "played." So, the motivation for all of that seems somewhat irrelevant to me.

Quoting 55. Grothar:

Don't you guys know when you are being played?


When the new site goes live it will be this many times over. So we just sit back and let them troll everything and dominate and destroy truth and allow them to own the blog? We've seen this story many times over. When good people remain silent and let evil control the narrative then you get........The American administration we have currently.
Quoting 23. justmehouston:



I ran across this article recently and wondered if it was factual. If this is factual, I know it doesnt mean that Climate Change isnt happening ...but how would it change the way ice loss is measured?

Up to half of the Arctic’s melt might be totally natural
But climate change is still responsible for the rest

Link


There's a couple things to keep in mind here.

First, there's always been a natural component to any ice gain or loss. The arctic is just like any other region on Earth, responding to regional and global patterns. As usual, the problem is attribution. How much is due to natural variations and patterns and how much is caused by the introduction of human activity. The paper attempts to quantify that with roughly a 50/50 split.

Second, this is a new paper. Just because a paper has been peer reviewed doesn't mean that it's perfect. Now that it's hitting a lot more eyeballs it's inevitable additional issues will be found. The paper will be corrected/amended/revised as time goes on. In fact, a few issues have already cropped about the paper.

I usually wait a couple years before citing a paper as a solid source, as that's usually enough time for any serious critical errors to have surfaced and either be addressed or results in having the paper pulled.
Quoting 55. Grothar:

Don't you guys know when you are being played?


shhhhh. ...I am next at bat. ;)
Quoting 58. Misanthroptimist:


Does it matter? I mean, I see people posting logical responses, links to reputable sources, and just generally educational posts in response to being "played." So, the motivation for all of that seems somewhat irrelevant to me.




The is nothing wrong with refuting an outrageous statement or correcting misinformation. That should be addressed. I don't always give my opinion on Climate Change, but if I see something outrageously incorrect, I do. Since I consider you one of the more knowledgeable bloggers on the subject I always respect your opinion and information (as you well know).

I have not in the past, or in the future, ever tell what another blogger should or should not write or to whom he or she should answer. That is their business and yours.

When I see respected bloggers getting played, it does bother me. I usually enjoy the dialogue on Climate Change discussion, because both sides often make good arguments.
Quoting 61. Some1Has2BtheRookie:



shhhhh. ...I am next at bat. ;)


Twit :)
Quoting 59. DeepSeaRising:



When the new site goes live it will be this many times over. So we just sit back and let them troll everything and dominate and destroy truth and allow them to own the blog? We've seen this story many times over. When good people remain silent and let evil control the narrative then you get........The American administration we have currently.


I have been using Disqus for the past 2 years. The trolls here are the domesticated ones compared to what you will see there.
My humble 2 cents

I understand there are trolls but there are also posters like me, those that do not have the science or mathematical background to not question certain things. I see sometimes. things that I might say or ask about and I see how harshly the poster is responded to ...it quite frankly scares me to ask a question. I always feel I have to preference somewhere in my question that I believe in climate change in order to not be thought a troll or disbeliever.

Many times there are links to papers to read ...many of these are over my head. Sometimes there are many links to other papers ...and it just gets overwhelming

Sometimes there is the "Google is your friend" response ...how am I to know if what I have googled is correct or true? Every time I use google the first thing that I do is google the author to see what his/her background is and attempt to identify if they are credible. But I am still hesitant to take what I am reading as to be true.

I just ask, if you are dealing with a new poster to practice a little patience at perhaps some stupid questions. Dont assume that we all believe that the earth is flat or that the sun revolves around the earth. I do realize that there are evil people that do try and play the knowledgeable on here ...but maybe we do have some long time lurkers that get a bit of gumption and speak up here and there.
Getting into petty arguments with a troll is never the answer. Providing truth backed with facts to disinformation is always the answer. When disinformation is allowed to spread you get what we have in our political system. And not responding to it with truth leaves the masses following, as they did with Trump, a dangerous path. People have been greatly misled. These shills are everywhere doing everything in their power to mislead people. Like it or not, they have been more successful than we would like. It is our duty to stand with truth and give people easy to digest facts and lead them to where they can easily confirm them.
billion $ storm upcoming late august. do you know your climatology?. watch out s florida
just on a side note

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/cold-snap-ki lls-nearly-half-of-cherry-blossoms-pushing-back-pe ak-bloom-date/2017/03/17/9ad8a138-0b28-11e7-93dc-0 0f9bdd74ed1_story.html?utm_term=.e76e60527d52&wpis rc=nl_buzz&wpmm=1


The tone of the article was optimistic.. the blossoms will still look pretty good.

But this has NEVER happened before since the trees were planted in the early 20'th century (sometime in the 20s I think)


I don't like the new normal. I want the old one back!!
@ 65. justmehouston

You are absolutely correct in your assessment - but you've also been here long enough to recognize the "new handles" that come in with outrageous comments just to provoke and troll. I know the impulse to want to correct a wrong and provide accurate information for the benefit of those that wish to learn and come here to learn. But when the back and forth is with the same people...guess what, they're not here to learn.
Quoting 28. dentalque:


Thank you. I read all of it.
I remain unconvinced that the concentration of CO2 is the root cause. The reason is that they just state it as a fact.


No, they don't.

Quoting 28. dentalque:
There is no experimental data showing this to be true on a planetary scale.


Yes, there is.

Quoting 28. dentalque:
For example we have detailed data on Mars' ice caps. They seem to be shrinking over the last several decades.


An oft-repeated and oft-debunked piece of nonsense that has no relevance. Comparing climatological responses of Mars to Earth is like comparing a butterfly to a 747.

Quoting 28. dentalque:
In addition, when I look at solar intensity levels, precession, and the changes in the Earth's magnetic field as we head for a (long overdue) field reversal, I believe that these are bigger players in the equation.


And you'd be wrong, as literally just about every treatise on the subject take those factors into account and show, if anything, that the planet should be cooling (and it was until we got involved).

The Earth's magnetic field has jack to do with maintaining the planet's thermal equilibrium, btw.

Quoting 28. dentalque:
I appreciate your link. Just look up at the people who commented on my above comment on this (or the previous post - comment #200-290's) you will see that WU is just not following their own rules on terms of service. That is the price of (politely or otherwise) questioning the current orthodoxy.


You're not questioning it, at least not in any meaningful or intelligent fashion. You're asking pointless questions, repeating debunked nonsense, and making bold proclamations based on nothing but ignorance. Before you can intelligently question science you need to at least have basic understanding of that science, which you currently don't.

There are multiple online and offline resources that can be found that cover everything from the basic chemistry and physics all the way up to constructing full scale global circulation models.
Already been a 54 billion dollar disaster this year. Trump adding to the endless war machine while cutting meals and visits for our remaining WWII vets through Meals On Wheels, gutting EPA, gutting programs that keep our water ways safe, cutting teacher training and after school programs, and this is just the tip of the iceberg. Bills on the docket to eliminate EPA, DOE, repeal the protection of wildlife, and on and on it goes. Trump and his billionaire class are the storm of the century. And this is going to be a long tracking storm with far reaching consequences.
Old English word of the day: claefre - clover. Also shamrock. Pronounced "klav-reh".

Image from Tractatus de herbis produced in Salerno, Italy between 1280 - 1310 AD.

@65 "I understand there are trolls but there are also posters like me, those that do not have the science or mathematical background to not question certain things. I see sometimes. things that I might say or ask about and I see how harshly the poster is responded to ...it quite frankly scares me to ask a question. I always feel I have to preference somewhere in my question that I believe in climate change in order to not be thought a troll or disbeliever."

One thing that real trolls almost never do is say please or thank you, and they never apologize for anything, and almost never show any humility. Sincere people will sometimes do all of those things.

Speaking for myself only, one of the reasons I have chosen to be a lurker here is that I have some trouble distinguishing trolls from sincere inquiries. I don't think I'm alone in that, but I at least know it about myself. I can get into a 'war mentality' on these issues because AGW is an existential threat. In that mental state, every question is a threat.

But I've seen how some of the best commenters here have learned and mellowed over the years in the 'war mentality" department! That's been helpful to me, and I thank them all - I think they know who they are.

And I do apologize if I have ever wrongly assumed that you or anyone else who is sincere is a troll.

Oh yes, one more piece of advice to the sincere: There is a forum for computer programmers that I use that is often very helpful to beginners, but the forum has a rule that requires you to have done some work and share it - to show that you are not just asking others to write your programs for you. So, do a little work on your own, if you can, and show it and share it, or ask for a link to a place that explain the answer to your current question or provide some background info for you to read. An example might be "Hey, I am trying to understand what a 'greenhouse' gas is and why and how we know that CO2 is a greenhouse gas, I searched for it, but I'm confused. Here are a couple of links I went to, but I still don't quite 'get it' Please help!" I would bet money that you could get some excellent, very patient responses to a question like that. I would certainly help if I could.
Peru floods kill 67 and spark criticism of country's climate change preparedness
Devastating downpour, caused by high ocean temperatures, could not have been predicted, president said, months after state of emergency declared for wildfires
Guardian, Dan Collyns in Piura and Jonathan Watts, Friday 17 March 2017 14.57 GMT
Sixty-seven people have been killed and thousands more forced to evacuate by intense rains which damaged 115,000 homes and destroyed more than 100 bridges in Peru’s worst floods in recent memory.
“We are confronting a serious climatic problem,” said Peru’s president, Pedro Pablo Kuczynski, in a broadcast to the nation on Friday afternoon. “There hasn’t been an incident of this strength along the coast of Peru since 1998.”
The disaster – which came after a period of severe drought – has been blamed on abnormally high temperatures in the Pacific Ocean, and fuelled criticism that the country is ill-prepared for the growing challenges of climate change.
Over the past three days, the downpour has burst river banks, created mudslides, collapsed bridges, closed roads and forced school suspensions in swaths of the west and north of the country. ...
Will G20 governments retreat from climate funding?
DW, 17.03.2017
As the G20 finance ministers meet in Germany, a statement has raised concerns that the world's biggest economies might scale back climate funding pledges made in Paris and shift the burden onto the private sector. ...
Was watching the emerging climate between your Donald and our Angie the last hours. Umm, at least in this case there isn't the threat of a sudden runaway warming ... ;-)
Cartoon.
Have a nice evening, everybody!
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100 days of climate - Climate Central


Edit:
With 100 Days of Water Left, Cape Town Risks Running Dry
Bloomberg, 17. Maerz 2017, 12:11 MEZ
Quoting 44. Misanthroptimist:


Are you ready for this? Sit down. It'll knock you right off your feet otherwise. Here goes. It's not science's job to convince you. Science's job is to explain observations in the natural world in a natural way using verifiable evidence and a transparent process. In the case of the current warming, there is no reasonable doubt as to its primary cause - human activity. The burning of fossil fuels is the primary human activity releasing excess CO2 into our atmosphere. (Isotopic concentrations of CO2 demonstrate that with no reasonable doubt.) CO2 blocks outgoing infrared radiation from leaving the surface. That is a measured, demonstrated fact that has been known for a very long time (at least the early 19th century). Now, what you make of all that is your business. Believe it. Disbelieve it. Make a hat, or a brooch, or pterodactyl (flapping noises). It makes no difference to science, scientists, those familiar with the science, or -most importantly- the Earth.

I say good to you, sir...or madam. Whatever.

Good day!


Sometimes science has red stripes, curtains in the windows, wheels and it looks like a big Tylenol.
The Acropolis warmed by the sun, March 17, 2017

Good. Let's have more. Nice job on STELLA.
Quoting 65. justmehouston:

My humble 2 cents

I understand there are trolls but there are also posters like me, those that do not have the science or mathematical background to not question certain things. I see sometimes. things that I might say or ask about and I see how harshly the poster is responded to ...it quite frankly scares me to ask a question. I always feel I have to preference somewhere in my question that I believe in climate change in order to not be thought a troll or disbeliever.

Many times there are links to papers to read ...many of these are over my head. Sometimes there are many links to other papers ...and it just gets overwhelming

Sometimes there is the "Google is your friend" response ...how am I to know if what I have googled is correct or true? Every time I use google the first thing that I do is google the author to see what his/her background is and attempt to identify if they are credible. But I am still hesitant to take what I am reading as to be true.

I just ask, if you are dealing with a new poster to practice a little patience at perhaps some stupid questions. Dont assume that we all believe that the earth is flat or that the sun revolves around the earth. I do realize that there are evil people that do try and play the knowledgeable on here ...but maybe we do have some long time lurkers that get a bit of gumption and speak up here and there.


thank you for your honesty! it's perfectly reasonable to be intimidated by the complexities of math and science! i respect this sooooo much more than just unexplained, factless vitriol directed towards climate scientists and people who support them. asking questions is incredibly important! and a lot of science and especially meteorology are immensely complex things. so many of the right wingers on here just spout hate, instead of asking questions.

i've started studying atmospheric science, and have realized very quickly how insanely complex and interconnected all the parts of the atmosphere are with things that happen on the surface of the earth. BUT with something like biology and the inner workings of evolution, i get the basic jist of it, but have MANY questions about how it actually works, and the verifiable evidence that exists to continuously reaffirm the theory.

so i feel like (if u trust the scientific method, and people who apply it in various fields) there's a certain level of trust one must put in scientists. which is hard i get, but also comparatively (to politicians/businesspeople) most scientists do their work based on PASSION and CURIOSITY and are not fuelled by money or external influences.

its important to understand what you can't understand, without a full immersion in whatever science you're curious about.
Quoting 79. OKsky:



Sometimes science has red stripes, curtains in the windows, wheels and it looks like a big Tylenol.

I think it's a serious job and is done by the numbers with no expectation of results. So, for me, my science was always rather bland in process but I was always at least a little surprised at the results.
Somehow, non-scientists seem to think that scientists have agendas like everybody else. No, not really, we're mostly a bunch of underpaid mechanics.
Do Not Eat, Touch, Or Even Inhale the Air Around the Manchineel Tree. Meet America's deadliest tree. Found in Florida, of course. An arrow dipped in manchineel poison is said to have killed Juan Ponce de Leon. I never heard of this.

Quoting 74. Patrap:


I knew it! TROLLS!! (Oh, wait, those are leprechauns. Harmless. :-)
If you were to use the generally accepted start of the industrial revolution, 1750, temps are now 1.82 C above, closing in on 2 C at around .2 C per year past few years. Interesting how we humans delude ourselves. 1991 IPCC said it would be unwise to go over 1 C, that was changed to 2 C. Goalposts moving once again I notice and expected would happen. Using 20th century averages and starting at 1880 just more of the same goal post moving. None of that is going to stop the dire consequences however. Physics does not bow to politics.
Medieval rainbow, from La lumere as lais ('The Welles Apocalypse'), 1310 AD

Quoting 86. allanjustallan:

If you were to use the generally accepted start of the industrial revolution, 1750, temps are now 1.82 C above, closing in on 2 C at around .2 C per year past few years. Interesting how we humans delude ourselves. 1991 IPCC said it would be unwise to go over 1 C, that was changed to 2 C. Goalposts moving once again I notice and expected would happen. Using 20th century averages and starting at 1880 just more of the same goal post moving. None of that is going to stop the dire consequences however. Physics does not bow to politics.
It does not, or practically anything else either.
I think when we started this discussion it was about whether or not greenhouse gases are responsible for the heating of the atmosphere. There is still a large number of people who don't believe this is possible. I suggest taking away CO2 to a concentration of 0.03% again and see what happens? Straight up, and remove it as fast as we have been going forward. That's what we call an Ice Age...so the numbers seem small, but they make a big difference. The trouble is determining the equilibrium balance in the entire system and we are very far from that. But just because you don't know exactly when the train is going to hit you, shouldn't mean that you should ignore its coming.
@83
"I think it's a serious job and is done by the numbers with no expectation of results. So, for me, my science was always rather bland in process but I was always at least a little surprised at the results.
Somehow, non-scientists seem to think that scientists have agendas like everybody else. No, not really, we're mostly a bunch of underpaid mechanics."

bwtranch, the reason I could not become an astrophysicist or geologist and became a technology consultant instead is that doing actual science was, for me, 90% totally boring, 9.9% kinda interesting sometimes, and .1% freaking off-the-map thrilling. I just couldn't slog it out to get to the good part - but I have great respect for those who can and do! The scientists I have had the privilege of working with are driven by insatiable curiosity and the desire to know how things really do work. Everyone wants recognition for a job well done, including scientists, but the main game or 'agenda' is not how much money you can acquire - it's how much you can contribute to the advancement of knowledge itself, for its own sake.

Also, everyone, I have lots of +++'s to give! But it just isn't working for me. I think I know why, though.

I just wanted to thank those who have been kind enough to plus a comment and let you know I'm not a complete ingrate.

++++++++++++++++++
Had afternoon off and now going to celebrate St. Patrick's Day. Except for the corned beef. Can't celebrate that ;) Have a great St. Patrick's Day everyone!

When you spend too much time on Wunderground: from a bestiary produced in France, c. 1450 AD now in The Hague, Netherlands. [Museum Meermanno, MMW, 10 B 25]

Quoting 28. dentalque:


Yakeety yakkity yak"


He's just a troll. Ignore him.
Quoting 49. Neapolitan:

That "author" is a climate modeller who earned a master's degree in mathematics as well as a doctorate, both from Oxford. He's worked extensively in the area of Arctic sea ice, and has both authored and reviewed tons of peer-reviewed papers. Now, that's not a call to authority; it's merely pointing at his bona fides and recognizing that if anyone knows what to believe via-a-vis Arctic sea ice, it's probably him. IOW, his isn't a "hit piece" based on anything so simply as a dislike of the conclusions; it's his highly educated and experienced perspective on the paper and what its authors may have gotten wrong.

There has been a "scientific debate" about the study on twitter. It's an interesting read: Link

Quoting Michael E. Mann: "But there still seems to be an underlying fallacy that circulation change = natural variability!"

Signals of Climate Change Visible as Record Fires Give Way to Massive Floods in Peru
“We’ve rarely seen this kind of rapid and quick change in climatic conditions.” — Juber Ruiz, of Peru’s Civil Defense Institute

*****

During September through November, wildfires tore across parts of drought-stricken Peru.

Peru’s Amazon was then experiencing its worst dry period in 20 years. And, at the time, over 100,000 acres of rainforest and farmland was consumed by flash fires. Rainforest species, ill-adapted to fires, were caught unawares. And a tragic tale of charred remains of protected species littering a once-lush, but now smoldering, wood spread in the wake of the odd blazes.


Link
Quoting 90. petrichor:

@83
"I think it's a serious job and is done by the numbers with no expectation of results. So, for me, my science was always rather bland in process but I was always at least a little surprised at the results.
Somehow, non-scientists seem to think that scientists have agendas like everybody else. No, not really, we're mostly a bunch of underpaid mechanics."

bwtranch, the reason I could not become an astrophysicist or geologist and became a technology consultant instead is that doing actual science was, for me, 90% totally boring, 9.9% kinda interesting sometimes, and .1% freaking off-the-map thrilling. I just couldn't slog it out to get to the good part - but I have great respect for those who can and do! The scientists I have had the privilege of working with are driven by insatiable curiosity and the desire to know how things really do work. Everyone wants recognition for a job well done, including scientists, but the main game or 'agenda' is not how much money you can acquire - it's how much you can contribute to the advancement of knowledge itself, for its own sake.

Also, everyone, I have lots of +++'s to give! But it just isn't working for me. I think I know why, though.

I just wanted to thank those who have been kind enough to plus a comment and let you know I'm not a complete ingrate.

++++++++++++++++++
That's pretty good...yeah we are the real trolls...slaving away in the basement...cooking up data that our nerd friends send us.
By God!, this could be a conspiracy!
@95
"That's pretty good...yeah we are the real trolls...slaving away in the basement...cooking up data that our nerd friends send us.
By God!, this could be a conspiracy!"

bwtranch, et. al., Reality Conspiracy 101, meets in basements everywhere semi-regularly. Conspirators gather to try to convince the world that reality is true!

Bwaaahaha!
Northern Namibia braced for worst flood in memory
This year’s wet season brings significant flooding to the most densely populated area of the country.


Link
Quoting 93. Xandra:

Quoting Michael E. Mann: "But there still seems to be an underlying fallacy that circulation change = natural variability!"



That was my question. How did they establish that the change was natural rather than a product of the warming. I haven't read the paper yet, but it was the first thing that popped into my mind. If they didn't establish natural variability then Mann is (unsurprisingly) absolutely correct.
It's pretty much, like beautiful down here:
fxus64 kfwd 172037
afdfwd

Area forecast discussion
National Weather Service Fort Worth Texas
337 PM CDT Fri Mar 17 2017

Discussion...
Spring-like weather is expected for the next several days with a
few small chances for rain; mainly in our northern counties. A
stronger system late next week looks to bring our next significant
chance for rain, but with this system almost a week out, there is
still the opportunity for several changes.

A weak front is slowly making its way through West Texas and
Oklahoma and is expected to stall along our Red River counties
tonight. As the low-level jet increases later tonight, this may
provide enough localized lift for a few areas of light rain to
develop north of a Bowie to McKinney to Emory line. The potential
for thunder looks very minimal as forecast soundings indicate a
strong cap will remain in place. A few areas of light rain may
continue in our northeast counties Saturday morning. Rainfall
totals will be very minimal at less than a tenth of an inch. The
weak front won't have much impact on temperatures and will retreat
north on Saturday.

Upper level ridging will dominate the area for the next several
days resulting in above normal temperatures. Daytime highs will be
in the upper 70s to upper 80s, and overnight lows will be humid
and muggy in the upper 50s to lower 60s. South to southwest winds
will prevail with afternoon wind speeds of 10-20 mph. Wind speeds
will be the strongest on Sunday and Monday when afternoon wind
speeds are 15-20 mph across most of the region, with higher gusts.

Another weak front will approach from the north on Tuesday, and
will bring at least a low chance for rain Tuesday night. Severe
weather is not expected with this system as once again, forcing
will be weak with upper level ridging continuing across the
region. Otherwise, this front will have minimal impacts on the
sensible weather but will likely result in some slightly cooler
temperatures in our north and northeast counties on Wednesday.

The models continue to highlight a stronger system crossing the
plains late next week that could bring our best chance for rain in
the next 7 days. This far out, several details regarding the
track, timing, instability parameters, etc will still need to be
refined as we head into next week, but we will continue to monitor
this system for any severe weather threat in north and central
Texas. At this time, we could be looking at a rain and/or threat
for severe storms Thursday and Friday, with a dryline setup to our
west, and then the dryline/Pacific front moving through as the
upper level system crosses the plains.

Jldunn

&&

Aviation...
/issued 1238 PM CDT Fri Mar 17 2017/
18 UTC taf cycle

Concerns---MVFR cessation this afternoon. Return to MVFR to IFR
ceilings during the overnight hours. The tafs will remain
precipitation-free as the front is expected to remain near the Red
River.

Metroplex taf sites---MVFR stratocumulus will continue this
afternoon through 19-20 UTC before deep mixing results in the
lifting of cloud bases. Breezy southerly winds will continue with
speeds around 15 to 20 knots. These winds should gradually
decrease in magnitude as the pressure gradient loosens with the
approach of a slow front from the north. VFR will prevail through
midnight Saturday before low level moisture spreads northward
towards the metroplex terminals. While winds will be weaker
compared to previous night's, low level moisture transport will
remain sufficient for MVFR stratus to return around the 08-09 UTC
time frame. Further low level moistening will promote periods IFR
ceilings for a couple of hours prior to sunrise. Ceilings should
lift above fl025 by mid-morning Saturday with VFR returning
Saturday afternoon.

Waco taf site---MVFR stratocumulus is expected to prevail through
mid-afternoon before VFR dominates through the evening hours. MVFR
stratus will return near or just after midnight with IFR ceilings
for a good portion of the pre-dawn hours. Ceilings should lift
through the morning hours with VFR on Saturday afternoon.

24-Bain



&&

Preliminary point temps/pops...
Dallas-ft. Worth 62 82 62 83 63 / 10 10 5 5 5
Waco 63 80 59 81 60 / 10 10 5 5 5
Paris 62 77 58 80 58 / 20 20 5 5 5
Denton 62 82 61 82 61 / 10 10 5 5 5
McKinney 63 79 60 82 60 / 20 20 5 5 5
Dallas 63 82 63 82 63 / 10 10 5 5 5
Terrell 63 80 60 82 60 / 10 10 5 5 5
Corsicana 62 80 61 82 60 / 10 10 5 5 5
Temple 61 81 60 81 60 / 10 5 5 5 5
Mineral Wells 60 84 59 85 60 / 10 10 5 5 5

&&

Forward watches/warnings/advisories...
none.
Quoting 36. bwtranch:

No, I'm talking about the chemistry and physics of the gases in question, not the analysis of climate change itself. That's another topic and far too vast to cover in a sound bite.
Please try to pay attention to the area being discussed.
Excuse me, I do have a Masters in Biology, and was working on my PHD, but I found out I could make a hell of a lot more money starting my own business, and I am now retired. When in school, I some how managed to excel in Math, Biology, Chemistry, and Physics. So you may want to preach to another choir.
Quoting 96. petrichor:

@95
"That's pretty good...yeah we are the real trolls...slaving away in the basement...cooking up data that our nerd friends send us.
By God!, this could be a conspiracy!"

bwtranch, et. al., Reality Conspiracy 101, meets in basements everywhere semi-regularly. Conspirators gather to try to convince the world that reality is true!

Bwaaahaha!

Yeah, but who *pays* for those meetings? See? There's your conspirators!
Quoting 40. petrichor:

It appears as though we are off on a Gish Gallop, but I thought I'd just do a search on Mars and actually read a few things for myself before drawing any conclusions....

"All planets experience a few wobbles as they make their journey around the sun. Earth's wobbles are known as Milankovitch cycles and occur on time scales of between 20,000 and 100,000 years.

These fluctuations change the tilt of Earth's axis and its distance from the sun and are thought to be responsible for the waxing and waning of ice ages on Earth.

Mars and Earth wobble in different ways, and most scientists think it is pure coincidence that both planets are between ice ages right now.

"Mars has no [large] moon, which makes its wobbles much larger, and hence the swings in climate are greater too," Wilson said."
@ http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/07 0228-mars-warming_2.html

"Unlike Earth, ice ages on Mars occur when its poles are warmer than average and frozen water is more stable at lower latitudes. Transitions between lengthy climate phases can leave telltale features in the ice, the research showed.

For example, Smith and colleagues found dramatic slopes in layers of ice within the Martian northern ice cap. Other layers reveal ice flowing in reverse direction. The climate cycles are triggered by changes in Mars' orbit and tilt, which affect how much sunlight reaches the planet's surface.

The shifts are particularly dramatic on Mars because theplanet's tilt changes by as much as 60 degrees, compared to variations in Earth's tilt of about 2 degrees."
@ http://www.reuters.com/article/us-space-mars-clima te-idUSKCN0YH29N

[These quotes are just what I found in a quick search, and they are popular articles that link to scientists and their published works, so if anyone wants to drill down and do further research on these scientists and/or their work and their credentials, they can.]

So, it seems that if the ice caps on Mars are shrinking, that shrinking ice caps are NOT necessarily evidence of a Mars global warming trend, but quite possibly evidence of Mars global cooling trend. Yes, it seems counter-intuitive, but that's what we have science for, to help us understand why things aren't always what they 'seem' to be according to one's 'gut' instincts. That's why it is important to pay attention to scientists and what they learn from their research.
How about the effects to our Solar System as it oscillates thru our Galaxy?
Quoting 102. NativeSun:

How about the effects to our Solar System s it oscillates thru our Galaxy?

What effects would those be? A couple of examples would be helpful.
Quoting 100. NativeSun:

Excuse me, I do have a Masters in Biology, and was working on my PHD, but I found out I could make a hell of a lot more money starting my own business, and I am now retired. When in school, I some how managed to excel in Math, Biology, Chemistry, and Physics. So you may want to preach to another choir.
I have a Master's degree also, it's in Environmental Science specializing in climate change. Our group, working with the University of Colorado and NCAR in Boulder established a climate model that holds up to this day.
As far as the choir goes, I was part of that also. Singing Swingle Singers in the cold Colorado snow isn't easy ya know.
But I don't think you ever got a handle on it, or you wouldn't be writing what you did. And as far as your audience goes...uh, it's shrinking...might want to find another gig.
Quoting 100. NativeSun:

Excuse me, I do have a Masters in Biology, and was working on my PHD, but I found out I could make a hell of a lot more money starting my own business, and I am now retired. When in school, I some how managed to excel in Math, Biology, Chemistry, and Physics. So you may want to preach to another choir.

So, if a climatologist came on here asserted that the Krebs cycle was a scam of the orange juice producers of the world and pointed out the some biologists get grant money...oh, I can't even finish. lol
Quoting 100. NativeSun:

Excuse me, I do have a Masters in Biology, and was working on my PHD, but I found out I could make a hell of a lot more money starting my own business,, and I am now retired. When in school, I some how managed to excel in Math, Biology, Chemistry, and Physics. So you may want to preach to another choir.


Evidently you did not get the memo. Scientists created the climate change hoax so that they could make more money than Exxon-Mobil, BP and Shell combined. You missed out, big time!

/sarcasm
@102 "How about the effects to our Solar System as it oscillates thru our Galaxy? "

Which oscillations are you talking about and on what time scales do you claim that they occur? Can you please provide a link to some science that you have read that leads you to believe that this a current influence that outweighs the effects of CO2 added to our atmosphere by humans in the past couple of centuries? I'll be happy to work WITH you, but I won't do all of your homework for you.
Quoting 104. bwtranch:

I have a Master's degree also, it's in Environmental Science specializing in climate change. Our group, working with the University of Colorado and NCAR in Boulder established a climate model that holds up to this day.
As far as the choir goes, I was part of that also. Singing Swingle Singers in the cold Colorado snow isn't easy ya know.
But I don't think you ever got a handle on it, or you wouldn't be writing what you did. And as far as your audience goes...uh, it's shrinking...might want to find another gig. Don't need to, my family an I are set for life, I just need more evidence to totally believe a minor trace green house gas that is only 400ppm or so is the cause of all the temp changes in the last few decades, their is so much we don't understand about the atmosphere and the effects of space on it. Their is so much corruption in the sciences, just like when I was in school, don't go along with the flow, good luck with your grants.
Quoting 107. petrichor:

@102 "How about the effects to our Solar System as it oscillates thru our Galaxy? "

Which oscillations are you talking about and on what time scales do you claim that they occur? Can you please provide a link to some science that you have read that leads you to believe that this a current influence that outweighs the effects of CO2 added to our atmosphere by humans in the past couple of centuries? I'll be happy to work WITH you, but I won't do all of your homework for you.
I hate this topic, but our Solar system travels true our galaxy, it travels up and down thru our Galaxy on it's orbit thru the Galaxy, not just on the same plane. enough for now, it's St, Patrice's Day, so time to enjoy and leave this lost weather blog.
Quoting 100. NativeSun:

Excuse me, I do have a Masters in Biology, and was working on my PHD, but I found out I could make a hell of a lot more money starting my own business, and I am now retired. When in school, I some how managed to excel in Math, Biology, Chemistry, and Physics. So you may want to preach to another choir.


And yet none of that education appears in your comments here. You may want to try and get a refund .
Quoting 110. RobertWC:



And yet none of that education appears in your comments here. You may want to try and get a refund .


Remedial courses might help.
@109 Yes, you'd better go ahead and leave now. The discussion is too sciency for you.
Or maybe you can find a link somewhere to some science that describes these oscillations and tells us where we are right now in relation to the central plane of our galaxy. It's not that hard to do, really, if you care to know the truth about it. I'll give you a hint, though - it has nothing to do with AGW in the past two hundred years!
Quoting 108. NativeSun:


I don't have any grants, I live on SSI, if you call that living.
Maybe go buy textbook again and look up the section on resonant frequencies. If you know anything about physics then you know that the resonant frequency of a molecule will generate heat. This is widely known and Einstein and Bohr argued the quantum effects but never said the process doesn't exist. Interestingly enough, Einstein received his Nobel Prize on a quantum effect. I'm not sure if he realized it at the time, probably didn't, but I think later on he did.
Quoting 108. NativeSun:

...I just need more evidence to totally believe a minor trace green house gas that is only 400ppm or so is the cause of all the temp changes in the last few decades, their is so much we don't understand about the atmosphere and the effects of space on it. Their is so much corruption in the sciences, just like when I was in school, don't go along with the flow, good luck with your grants.

This is a rather different set of arguments than you were using earlier. Then, your problem was the length of the temperature record. Since you've dropped that and it was adequately addressed by the science, I'll assume that you're satisfied with the answers.

For a person with degrees in biology and chemistry and whatever else you claimed to be making the "trace gas" argument strikes me as extremely peculiar. There are plenty of examples in your own field(s) where trace substances produce profound effects, sometimes for reasons not fully understood. With CO2, however, the process is understood very well and has been rigorously tested over long periods of time.

Lastly, if you are going to claim (or imply) corruption in climate science, then you are going to have to provide verified examples. That is a very serious charge and it requires very serious evidence. Either you have the evidence or you don't. No half-truths, no connect-the-dots, none o' that nonsense. Hard evidence is all that will substantiate your claim.
@NativeSun

Quoting 114. Misanthroptimist:


This is a rather different set of arguments than you were using earlier. Then, your problem was the length of the temperature record. Since you've dropped that and it was adequately addressed by the science, I'll assume that you're satisfied with the answers.

For a person with degrees in biology and chemistry and whatever else you claimed to be making the "trace gas" argument strikes me as extremely peculiar. There are plenty of examples in your own field(s) where trace substances produce profound effects, sometimes for reasons not fully understood. With CO2, however, the process is understood very well and has been rigorously tested over long periods of time.

Lastly, if you are going to claim (or imply) corruption in climate science, then you are going to have to provide verified examples. That is a very serious charge and it requires very serious evidence. Either you have the evidence or you don't. No half-truths, no connect-the-dots, none o' that nonsense. Hard evidence is all that will substantiate your claim.
That person doesn't have those degrees.
I went to college. They didn't. It's obvious.
Some people can think they can dupe us and play like they went. No, unless you were there, you really don't have a clue. You see, it's not what you think you know. It's the writing. I can tell if somebody has been to college just by the way they string their words together. This is not a paper of course, it's a blog, but it is pretty telling on how much education a person has had to endure and if they constructed an argument on their own, or just parroted many of the faulty lines that incase our society of late.
Quoting 116. bwtranch:

That person doesn't have those degrees.
I went to college. They didn't. It's obvious.
Some people can think they can dupe us and play like they went. No, unless you were there, you really don't have a clue. You see, it's not what you think you know. It's the writing. I can tell if somebody has been to college just by the way they string their words together. This is not a paper of course, it's a blog, but it is pretty telling on how much education a person has had to endure and if they constructed an argument on their own, or just parroted many of the faulty lines that incase our society of late.

Rats! I was just going to tell everyone about how I'm a billionaire, race-car driver, in a poly-amorous relationship with 6 swimsuit. Now it looks like no one will believe me. Just when I was starting to like the internet, too.

Oh, well.

I try to take people at face value and work from there. The substance of his claims was entirely lacking. That would be true whether he has 14 degrees or dropped out in the seventh grade.
Quoting 116. bwtranch:

That person doesn't have those degrees.
I went to college. They didn't. It's obvious.
Some people can think they can dupe us and play like they went. No, unless you were there, you really don't have a clue. You see, it's not what you think you know. It's the writing. I can tell if somebody has been to college just by the way they string their words together. This is not a paper of course, it's a blog, but it is pretty telling on how much education a person has had to endure and if they constructed an argument on their own, or just parroted many of the faulty lines that incase our society of late.


I have scratched my head a few times wondering how someone so dense got their college degree. (Or how they got a medical degree.)
@100 ..."When in school, I some how managed to excel in Math, Biology, Chemistry, and Physics...."

If so, then you probably did this experiment in high school chem lab, where a few drops of one substance added to a whole big jar of another substance changes all the stuff in the big jar's visual properties quite dramatically.
http://funsci.com/fun3_en/acids/acids.htm#9

You DO remember that experiment don't you, NativeSun?

Adding "trace" amounts of substances can have huge effects.
Quoting 117. Misanthroptimist:


Rats! I was just going to tell everyone about how I'm a billionaire, race-car driver, in a poly-amorous relationship with 6 swimsuit. Now it looks like no one will believe me. Just when I was starting to like the internet, too.

Oh, well.

I try to take people at face value and work from there. The substance of his claims was entirely lacking. That would be true whether he was 14 degrees or dropped out in the seventh grade.
I could probably roll with swimsuits. They are free and usually unencumbered, but the wholesale rejection of resonant frequencies of common molecules is quite disturbing.
Quoting 116. bwtranch:

That person doesn't have those degrees.
I went to college. They didn't. It's obvious.
Some people can think they can dupe us and play like they went. No, unless you were there, you really don't have a clue. You see, it's not what you think you know. It's the writing. I can tell if somebody has been to college just by the way they string their words together. This is not a paper of course, it's a blog, but it is pretty telling on how much education a person has had to endure and if they constructed an argument on their own, or just parroted many of the faulty lines that incase our society of late.


I think that is spelled encase.
Quoting 121. Grothar:



I think that is spelled encase.
Yeah, i thought about that but went ahead with the Americanised spreeling.
Somehow I think Webster didn't cover all the bases with Americanised English.
... or just parroted many of the faulty lines in case our society is late!?
Quoting 93. Xandra:


There has been a "scientific debate" about the study on twitter. It's an interesting read: Link

Quoting Michael E. Mann: "But there still seems to be an underlying fallacy that circulation change = natural variability!"




There's a discussion thread at Neven's Arctic Sea Ice Forum

Also
expert reaction to research on natural climate variability and Arctic summer sea ice
I have reviewed the paragraph structure and spelling errors in this comment and give you a C+
Quoting 116. bwtranch:

That person doesn't have those degrees.
I went to college. They didn't. It's obvious.
Some people can think they can dupe us and play like they went. No, unless you were there, you really don't have a clue. You see, it's not what you think you know. It's the writing. I can tell if somebody has been to college just by the way they string their words together. This is not a paper of course, it's a blog, but it is pretty telling on how much education a person has had to endure and if they constructed an argument on their own, or just parroted many of the faulty lines that incase our society of late.


More rain for California
Quoting 127. Grothar:



More rain for California
And it didn't look like they are quite ready yet at Lake Oroville. Hope that works out OK.
Quoting 125. aldente:

I have reviewed the paragraph structure and spelling errors in this comment and give you a C+


You just keep that red pen right the Hades off my posts, thank you very much. I've seen enough of that to last a couple of lifetimes.

However, there is something I would like help on, if someone can be spare the time. Looking a bit more closely at the Ding paper, I wonder why their conclusion is that natural variability is responsible for the loss of some sea ice rather than a conclusion that they've found where the models were wrong? I'm not a climatologist, so it's reasonably likely that I've missed something important.
Quoting 128. CaneFreeCR:

And it didn't look like they are quite ready yet at Lake Oroville. Hope that works out OK.


That is good as that is gonna get for now. They can't really do anything Major till after the rainy season is over. Gonna be a lot of work to do.....
Quoting 133. flowcool0:


Alerted. Very uncool in very many ways.
Quoting 133. flowcool0:


Flags please.
Yikes at my plus of 133 ..that was me definitely attempting to flag
Cant believe it still remains

Are we sure the flagging is working?
Quoting 138. justmehouston:

Yikes at my plus of 133 ..that was me definitely attempting to flag
Cant believe it still remains

Are we sure the flagging is working?


I had walked away from the desk...when I returned and saw your + I kind of chuckled.
It will be gone on 4/3 so no worries. :)
Quoting 139. RitaandIke:



I had walked away from the desk...when I returned and saw your + I kind of chuckled.
It will be gone on 4/3 so no worries. :)


I'm actually so embarrassed ...
Please make it go away
Quoting 140. justmehouston:



I'm actually so embarrassed ...
Please make it go away



come on mods, one is all we need.
Quoting 137. Opie21390:

Yawn. More propaganda from TWC, who are investing in it regardless of the real scientists that say he's full of it

Strong words, Opie. Strong. Words.

I can't help but notice, though, a relative shortage of fact in your post. And by "relative shortage" I mean, of course, a complete absence.
Quoting 138. justmehouston:

Yikes at my plus of 133 ..that was me definitely attempting to flag
Cant believe it still remains

Are we sure the flagging is working?

Yeah it's working . Almost did the same mistake when viewing who liked it.
Quoting 109. NativeSun:
I hate this topic, but our Solar system travels true our galaxy, it travels up and down thru our Galaxy on it's orbit thru the Galaxy, not just on the same plane.
So? What measurable effects do the movements of the solar system in the galaxy have on the Earth's climate? What is causing the changes in energy flux on our planet? Is it magic unicorn rays from outer space?

You are just blowing smoke.


...enough for now, it's St, Patrice's Day, so time to enjoy and leave this lost weather blog.
Running away noted.

You have displayed a stubborn ignorance of the topic. It ill equips you to discuss it. Did you think you would be taken seriously with your conspiracy ideation ("So much corruption in science!"), unsupported assertions ("No evidence!") and arguments from personal incredulity? Sorry, but these are common tactics of science deniers of all sorts: they are not impressive at all.
Quoting 137. Opie21390:

Yawn. More propaganda from TWC, who are investing in it regardless of the real scientists that say he's full of it

"...real scientists..." Hmm. So, according to you, the U. S. National Academy of Sciences, NASA, the American Physical Society, the Royal Society of London, in short, every national science academy and professional association of every advanced country in the world...they're all just hacks?

Who are these "real scientists" you are referring to?
Quoting 140. justmehouston:



I'm actually so embarrassed ...
Please make it go away



No need to be embarrassed. We all know you well enough to know you would never plus anything like that.
Quoting 146. Uragani:



In about 2 months we'll start seeing the first true waves of the season.
Quoting 147. Grothar:



No need to be embarrassed. We all know you well enough to know you would never plus anything like that.


I went back and meant to flag it again just in case...accidentally +ed it.
JMH I feel your pain...
Quoting 146. Uragani:





Its me again.

I have a Message from the above image to Humanity.

Stop being stupid.

Stop Killing each other.

Stop it.

NCEI uploaded final information for December today, bringing the number of confirmed tornadoes across the United States last year, by my count, up to 976. 2016 was the fifth below-average tornado season in a row.

Quoting 65. justmehouston:

My humble 2 cents

I understand there are trolls but there are also posters like me, those that do not have the science or mathematical background to not question certain things. I see sometimes. things that I might say or ask about and I see how harshly the poster is responded to ...it quite frankly scares me to ask a question.


Most of the regulars on here can tell an honest question from an idiotic rhetorical one from a troll or denier.

Good Question: How is CO2 the control knob for global warming?

Bad Question: How stupid do you have to be to believe a trace gas can impact the planet?

Also, if you need something explained or need pointers to good reference sites there are plenty on here who will be more than happy to answer and point you in the right direction.

A site that I'd probably recommend to you is Skeptical Science since it has both the "layman's" version of science as well as more in depth explanations complete with references to all the relevant research papers.
How to File a FOIA Request with the National Archives (video). This is also how it's done for other agencies. Like NOAA, for example.
Quoting 89. bwtranch:

It does not, or practically anything else either.
I think when we started this discussion it was about whether or not greenhouse gases are responsible for the heating of the atmosphere. There is still a large number of people who don't believe this is possible. I suggest taking away CO2 to a concentration of 0.03% again and see what happens? Straight up, and remove it as fast as we have been going forward.


CO2 is just one greenhouse gas, but due to it's longevity in the atmosphere it's the "control knob" so to speak. The pre-industrial levels were around 280 ppm, which is about .028% and at that level the planet was gradually cooling. So you'd actually have to take it lower than that for an immediate ice age (immediate being occurring over a few centuries).

More to the point, we don't have the technology to even come remotely close to undoing the damage. Thermodynamics. There's no free lunch and you can't break even, so it would take the equivalent of all the fossil fuels mined and burnt over the past 150 years plus another 50% or so (assuming optimal efficiency).

And I do mean mined and burnt. It took energy to get it out of the ground. It's going to take energy to put it back there to.

Quoting 89. bwtranch:
That's what we call an Ice Age...so the numbers seem small, but they make a big difference. The trouble is determining the equilibrium balance in the entire system and we are very far from that. But just because you don't know exactly when the train is going to hit you, shouldn't mean that you should ignore its coming.


Actually, that is known. The problem is there is no way to get back there. :P
Quoting 104. bwtranch:

I have a Master's degree also, it's in Environmental Science specializing in climate change. Our group, working with the University of Colorado and NCAR in Boulder established a climate model that holds up to this day.
As far as the choir goes, I was part of that also. Singing Swingle Singers in the cold Colorado snow isn't easy ya know.
But I don't think you ever got a handle on it, or you wouldn't be writing what you did. And as far as your audience goes...uh, it's shrinking...might want to find another gig.


NS is making crap up. He didn't excel in math, physics, chemistry, etc. If he had, he would have long ago managed to figure out the global warming is a rather direct result of some very simple undergrad level physics and chemistry. So simple in fact a late 19th century scientist manage to figure out the relationship between CO2 and global temperatures without using so much as a calculator.

I've been out to NCAR a couple times when I was working at NASA (climate modeling/scientific tools). Nice town. Awesome mountains. I like the ocean too much to be landlocked like that though. :D
Quoting 33. NativeSun:

So your basing this on only 100yrs., seems like a short time for this experiment. and how old is the planet and the climate on this planet, that is constantly changing? Really a very short time to state this Climate Change theory is totally caused by man.

Here is a talk from Richard Alley at the 2009 Fall AGU meeting. He basically says you can't account for the climate of the planet at any time in the past without taking into account the CO2 levels in the atmosphere.

The Biggest Control Knob: Carbon Dioxide in Earth's History

And here is Dr. Masters blog on the talk:

The Biggest Control Knob: Carbon Dioxide in Earth's History

Added: BTW, scanning the first page of 1226 comments was pretty interesting. Lots of user names I didn't recognize. Of course Patrap was there (even a picture with Harry Shearar) :)
Quoting 23. justmehouston:



I ran across this article recently and wondered if it was factual. If this is factual, I know it doesnt mean that Climate Change isnt happening ...but how would it change the way ice loss is measured?

Up to half of the Arctic’s melt might be totally natural
But climate change is still responsible for the rest

Link

It's an interesting paper but what bothers me is they are essentially saying natural variation has been in one direction for the nearly 40 years that satellites have been monitoring sea ice. That doesn't seem likely to me but it's possible I suppose.

I understand there can be large variations from year to year in Arctic sea ice depending on weather. The record low sea ice in 2007 was set up by a weather pattern that transported large amounts of sea ice through the Fram Strait (between Greenland and Svalbard). Other years where that doesn't happen don't see such dramatic changes. But for natural variation to always come down on one side of the ledger there needs to be something pushing it that way.
Quoting 115. Xandra:

@NativeSun




You don't even need anything that complicated to prove it. Get a couple of empty 2 liter soda bottles. One of them just leave filled with regular air. In the other, add some baking soda and vinegar and wait for it to finish fizzing. Once it's done fizzing, put the cap on and tighten it. You now have one bottle filled with normal air and another bottle filled with CO2.

Grab a couple stick-on thermometers and stick them to top of the bottles. Now heat the bottles up, taking care to not directly heat the thermometers, like with an incandescent desk lamp or something.

Wait a bit and check the temperatures. What you'll notice is that the bottle with CO2 will be warmer than the bottle with just regular air. The reason is that CO2 absorbs and re-radiates long wave IR radiation (a.k.a heat). This process means every time an IR photon hits a CO2 molecule, it's path is going to change. The denser the molecules, the longer the average path for an IR photon to "escape". The average path length is known as the mean free path; how far on average a photon can travel before it hits something.

So what's happening in our little experiment is that the incandescent lamp is sending out long-wave IR photons. In the bottle with regular air, there is a fairly long mean free path. So while the bottle heats up a bit, the IR photons aren't hanging around. Remove the heat source the IR will radiate off in short order.

In the bottle with CO2, the mean free path is much shorter. Instead of the photons flying through the bottle relatively unimpeded, a lot of them end up hitting CO2 molecules. Since the path they travel is longer, it takes longer for them to escape. The heat becomes trapped, so it has a chance to build up. When you take the heat source away, the bottle will cool down but at a slower rate as it takes longer to all the photons escape.

Now the thing about the mean free path is that it's logarithmic in nature. Thus, the biggest relative impacts happen at "trace" amounts and then saturate fairly quickly as amounts increase. This, of course, was known even to Arrhenius back in the 1800s who figured out the logarithmic relationship between CO2 and the additional forcing it adds.
Quoting 132. PedleyCA:



That is good as that is gonna get for now. They can't really do anything Major till after the rainy season is over. Gonna be a lot of work to do.....

With all the snow in the mountains they probably can't do anything major until the snow melt runoff is over. Probably late June or July.
Quoting 155. Xyrus2000:



CO2 is just one greenhouse gas, but due to it's longevity in the atmosphere it's the "control knob" so to speak. The pre-industrial levels were around 280 ppm, which is about .028% and at that level the planet was gradually cooling. So you'd actually have to take it lower than that for an immediate ice age (immediate being occurring over a few centuries)...

A few years ago I saw some scientists comments about this. They said that CO2 levels would have to get below about 250 ppm for a new ice age to commence from their calculations. I don't think it was in a peer reviewed paper, just some climatologist calculating it but it makes some sense to me.
Quoting 75. barbamz:

Guardian, Dan Collyns in Piura and Jonathan Watts, Friday 17 March 2017 14.57 GMT
Peru floods kill 67 and spark criticism of country's climate change preparedness
Devastating downpour, caused by high ocean temperatures, could not have been predicted, president said, months after state of emergency declared for wildfires

Sixty-seven people have been killed and thousands more forced to evacuate by intense rains which damaged 115,000 homes and destroyed more than 100 bridges in Peru's worst floods in recent memory.
"We are confronting a serious climatic problem," said Peru's president, Pedro Pablo Kuczynski, in a broadcast to the nation on Friday afternoon. "There hasn't been an incident of this strength along the coast of Peru since 1998."
The disaster -which came after a period of severe drought - has been blamed on abnormally high temperatures in the Pacific Ocean, and fuelled criticism that the country is ill-prepared for the growing challenges of climate change.
Over the past three days, the downpour has burst river banks, created mudslides, collapsed bridges, closed roads and forced school suspensions in swaths of the west and north of the country. ...


Current Sea Surface Temperature Anomalies (SSTA) - earth.nullschool.net:
Re: 162
I've read the same news today and have worked in Peru (Lima to Piura). My question: is this really an El Nino event? SSTs don't seem to be that high but the inundations continue. I worked in Piura (minerals geologist ) a year or two after the 1998 El Nino flooding there and it was most impressive compared with what we exerienced in the recent El Nino event in N America.
Quoting 151. Patrap:




Its me again.

I have a Message from the above image to Humanity.

Stop being stupid.

Stop Killing each other.

Stop it.



Starting to look like balling ball.
Quoting 162. 999Ai2016:


Current Sea Surface Temperature Anomalies (SSTA) - earth.nullschool.net:

The news and videos of flash floods ("huaycos"), emerging from Peru, are just devastating and heartbreaking. There is another article from Reuters about the meteorological background:

Abnormal El Nino in Peru unleashes deadly downpours; more flooding seen
by Reuters, Friday, 17 March 2017 23:05 GMT
A sudden and abnormal warming of Pacific waters off Peru has unleashed the deadliest downpours in decades, with landslides and raging rivers sweeping away people, clogging highways and destroying crops in a potential sign of a global El Nino pattern this year.
At least 62 people have died and more than 70,000 have become homeless as Peru's rainy season has delivered 10 times as much rainfall than usual, authorities said Friday.
About half of Peru has been declared in emergency to expedite resources to the hardest hit areas, mostly in the north where rainfall has broken records in several districts, said Prime Minister Fernando Zavala.
Peru is bracing itself for another month of flooding.
A local El Nino phenomenon, the warming of surface sea temperatures in the Pacific, will likely continue along Peru's northern coast at least through April, said Dimitri Gutierrez, a scientist with Peru's El Nino committee.
Local El Ninos in Peru tend to be followed by the global El Nino phenomenon, which can trigger flooding and droughts in different countries, said Gutierrez.
The U.S. weather agency has put the chances of an El Nino developing in the second half of 2017 at 50-55 percent.
While precipitation in Peru has not exceeded the powerful El Nino of 1998, more rain is falling in shorter periods of time - rapidly filling streets and rivers, said Jorge Chavez, a general tasked with coordinating the government's response.
"We've never seen anything like this before," said Chavez. "From one moment to the next, sea temperatures rose and winds that keep precipitation from reaching land subsided." ...

More see link above.

Remembering the issues with Oroville dam in California last month, a dam named Quichque broke in Peru in the Ayacucho region:

Colapsa represa en Ayacucho y arrasa tierras de cultivo y ganado
Viernes 17 de marzo del 2017, 20:55, Translation by google:
The collapse of the Quichque dam in Saisa district in the province of Lucanas in the Ayacucho region has been disastrous for more than 3,000 families who have lost their crops and livestock, informed the Frente Amplio congressman Humberto Morales, an Ayacucho representative.
He said that it is necessary to take into account that the south of Ayacucho is head of the basin of the south of Ica and part of Arequipa, for that reason it requests aerial flights to evaluate the magnitude of this lamentable event happened today.
"Reconnaissance flights should be made from Pisco, Palpa, Nasca, to the south of Ayacucho," he noted.
The legislator also appealed urgently to the authorities to provide humanitarian assistance, since this population of Saisa has lost everything. "We need food, tents, blankets, water and all kinds of help that will be valuable in these moments of great pain for our peoples," he said.


Photos of the broken Quichque dam:




Source Twitter.

Downstream the inhabitants of Acari region had been evacuated but were obviously able to return later in the day (source).
166. MahFL
Quoting 155. Xyrus2000:



CO2 is just one greenhouse gas, but due to it's longevity in the atmosphere it's the "control knob" so to speak. The pre-industrial levels were around 280 ppm, which is about .028% and at that level the planet was gradually cooling. So you'd actually have to take it lower than that for an immediate ice age (immediate being occurring over a few centuries).


According to Wiki we are still in an Ice Age, we coming out of it, but not yet out completely.
So if you think it's warm now, you ain't seen nothing yet....

"The major glacial stages of the current ice age in North America are the Illinoian..."

Link
Quoting 163. rhodon:

Re: 162
I've read the same news today and have worked in Peru (Lima to Piura). My question: is this really an El Nino event? SSTs don't seem to be that high but the inundations continue. I worked in Piura (minerals geologist ) a year or two after the 1998 El Nino flooding there and it was most impressive compared with what we exerienced in the recent El Nino event in N America.

Well, myself I'm certainly not knowledgeable enough to be able to properly answer your question, but my take on this:
- El Nino peaked a little more than a year ago, then ENSO swinged back to a very weak La Nina at the end of last year and it's now neutral, with SST building up off S America's coast. Here are the SSTA for Dec 1997 by the way (click to enlarge):


So right now in the ENSO regions SSTs aren't that high, but basin-wide and especially off the W coast of S America they are. About Up to 6 C above the 1981-2011 average in some places off the coast of Peru, according to earth.nullschool.net. Maybe the beginning of the next El Nino later this year, or some weird climate variability. Guess we'll find out in the coming months.
No comment:
GISS Surface Temperature Analysis - News Updates

Apparently, also the second warmest Dec-Jan-Feb period in the GISTEMP record:
Quoting 163. rhodon:

Re: 162
I've read the same news today and have worked in Peru (Lima to Piura). My question: is this really an El Nino event? SSTs don't seem to be that high but the inundations continue. I worked in Piura (minerals geologist ) a year or two after the 1998 El Nino flooding there and it was most impressive compared with what we exerienced in the recent El Nino event in N America.


New Peru movement leader Verónika Mendoza noted earlier this week:

“We know the ‘coastal El Niño’ comes from time to time.
We know we are a country that is extremely vulnerable to the effects of climate change. We should have prepared ourselves better.”

----------------------------------------------
“On Friday, drinking water was cut off throughout most of Lima, spiking the price for bottled water and creating long lines at city tanks. U.S. Embassy helicopters typically used to eradicate coca crops in the Amazon were redirected to help in rescue efforts.

“People are desperate,” said Doris Meza, who lives in one of the Lima districts most heavily inundated by the floods. “Water is entering everyone’s homes.”

Link
From EcoWatch:

15 Lawmakers Plotting to Privatize America's Public Lands



The U.S. holds more than 600 million acres of stunning public lands in trust for the American public. These beloved places, ranging from the granite spires of the Black Hills National Forest to the mystical Mojave National Preserve, are home to diverse native wildlife, inspire wonder in people from around the world who visit them and provide clean air, clean water and unsurpassed recreation opportunities to our communities.

Despite the irreplaceable value these places hold, in recent years, a concerted effort has been driven forward by certain senators and U.S. representatives to seize, dismantle, destroy and privatize our public lands. These lawmakers are backed by fossil fuel corporations and other extractive industries that already squeeze massive profits out of America's public lands and only want more.

In order to realize this goal, every year these corporations push millions of dollars toward federal lawmakers to motivate them to introduce and pass legislation that would have the effect of either fully privatizing public lands or opening them up to unfettered extraction and development.

The Center for Biological Diversity issued a report that analyzed 132 bills that were introduced in the past three congressional sessions, between 2011 and 2016, and identified the lawmakers who authored and cosponsored the greatest number of these bills. The list of "Public Lands Enemies" that emerged includes nine members of the U.S. House of Representatives and six U.S. senators from eight western states: Alaska, Arizona, California, Idaho, Nevada, New Mexico, Utah and Wyoming.

[...]

With the West already losing to development one football field's worth of natural areas every two and a half minutes, these shared lands are more important than ever. At the start of the 115th Congress, we want to bring attention to these Public Lands Enemies and their plans to seize and privatize public lands. Everyone who cares about our national forests, wildlife refuges, deserts, national parks, national monuments, wild rivers, wilderness and areas of historic, scientific and cultural significance needs to be watching these elected officials vigilantly and opposing their actions every step of the way.

Click here to read full article.
Quoting 170. Xandra:

From EcoWatch:

15 Lawmakers Plotting to Privatize America's Public Lands



The U.S. holds more than 600 million acres of stunning public lands in trust for the American public. These beloved places, ranging from the granite spires of the Black Hills National Forest to the mystical Mojave National Preserve, are home to diverse native wildlife, inspire wonder in people from around the world who visit them and provide clean air, clean water and unsurpassed recreation opportunities to our communities.

Despite the irreplaceable value these places hold, in recent years, a concerted effort has been driven forward by certain senators and U.S. representatives to seize, dismantle, destroy and privatize our public lands. These lawmakers are backed by fossil fuel corporations and other extractive industries that already squeeze massive profits out of America's public lands and only want more.

In order to realize this goal, every year these corporations push millions of dollars toward federal lawmakers to motivate them to introduce and pass legislation that would have the effect of either fully privatizing public lands or opening them up to unfettered extraction and development.

The Center for Biological Diversity issued a report that analyzed 132 bills that were introduced in the past three congressional sessions, between 2011 and 2016, and identified the lawmakers who authored and cosponsored the greatest number of these bills. The list of "Public Lands Enemies" that emerged includes nine members of the U.S. House of Representatives and six U.S. senators from eight western states: Alaska, Arizona, California, Idaho, Nevada, New Mexico, Utah and Wyoming.

[...]

With the West already losing to development one football field's worth of natural areas every two and a half minutes, these shared lands are more important than ever. At the start of the 115th Congress, we want to bring attention to these Public Lands Enemies and their plans to seize and privatize public lands. Everyone who cares about our national forests, wildlife refuges, deserts, national parks, national monuments, wild rivers, wilderness and areas of historic, scientific and cultural significance needs to be watching these elected officials vigilantly and opposing their actions every step of the way.

Click here to read full article.

The Ideology of Plunder & Destruction.
Quoting 167. 999Ai2016:


Well, myself I'm certainly not knowledgeable enough to be able to properly answer your question, but my take on this:
- El Nino peaked a little more than a year ago, then ENSO swinged back to a very weak La Nina at the end of last year and it's now neutral, with SST building up off S America's coast. Here are the SSTA for Dec 1997 by the way (click to enlarge):


So right now in the ENSO regions SSTs aren't that high, but basin-wide and especially off the W coast of S America they are. About Up to 6 C above the 1981-2011 average in some places off the coast of Peru, according to earth.nullschool.net. Maybe the beginning of the next El Nino later this year, or some weird climate variability. Guess we'll find out in the coming months.


from very recent (March) CPC ENSO Blog "Other than the model forecasts, there isn’t a whole lot of evidence right now that suggests we can more confidently expect El Niño to develop later this year... it’s historically very rare to switch back and forth between El Niño, La Niña, and El Niño three winters in a row."
170. Xandra

"Citizens United"

Trump's link to private prisons proves why Citizens United must go

As many as 60,000 immigrants could sue GEO Group, one of the largest private prison companies in the United States, for allegedly making immigrants engage in forced work that violates anti-slavery laws.

The lawsuit, filed in 2014, asserts that detained immigrants are forced to work for $1-2 a day. GEO and CoreCivic (the other largest private prison company) combined donated nearly $500,000 in support of Trump – half went to a super PAC that helped elect him and the other half went to support Trump’s inauguration. Now, two months into his administration, those donations appear to be paying big dividends.


Link
Quoting 172. wunderkidcayman:



from very recent (March) CPC ENSO Blog "Other than the model forecasts, there isn%u2019t a whole lot of evidence right now that suggests we can more confidently expect El Nio to develop later this year... it%u2019s historically very rare to switch back and forth between El Nio, La Nia, and El Nio three winters in a row."


also to add the forecast models in it of itself is not trust worthy at the moment due to the Spring Predictability Barrier

also its much more common to see after a strong El Nino like 2015 to be followed by La Nina then Neutral or La Nina weakens to Neutral then La Nina returns or a Multi year(Season) La Nina
plus looking at the Sub-Surface Anomalies in the EQ. Pac it don't shout El Nino

start of month


now
G20 ministers struggle to find consensus on trade, climate
AFP, Germany, Updated: Mar 18, 2017 16:59 IST
Finance ministers from the world’s biggest economies were battling Saturday to halt a bid by US President Donald Trump’s administration to roll back hard-fought pledges on trade and climate.
Representatives from G20 nations have gathered in the picturesque western German spa town of Baden Baden since Friday for a meeting clouded by concerns over Trump’s “America First” policy and scepticism towards climate change.
Trump, whose tough protectionist talk helped win him the presidency, has withdrawn the US from a trans-Pacific free trade pact and attacked export giants China and Germany.
On Thursday, he also revealed a budget plan that would make good on a campaign pledge to drastically scale back environment-related funding.
That stance has grated Washington’s partners, who are trying to persuade US Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin to renew a long-standing G20 anti-protectionism commitment and uphold an international deal on climate won only after years of painful negotiations.
But talks have so far failed to produce a breakthrough for consensus, and the clock is ticking down to the close of the two-day session when a final statement is due to be published.
A source close to the negotiations said that “there will be nothing on climate in the communique -- a sign of the discord”. ...
Deranged man attacks climate change funding with budget ax | Editorial

Donald Trump's effort to kill nearly one-third of the federal Environmental Protection Agency's budget, including climate research, and all climate funds to the United Nations leaves no doubt about where we, as a nation, stand.

In the shadow of a madman. How else to describe a President who in one moment says he loves clean water and air, and the next vows "get rid of" the very agency charged with protecting them, "in almost every form"?

Even congressional Republicans and fossil fuel flunky Scott Pruitt, who opposes some of the core missions of the EPA he now runs, think Trump is going too far.


Link
Quoting 175. wunderkidcayman:

plus looking at the Sub-Surface Anomalies in the EQ. Pac it don't shout El Nino

start of month


now



and just incase you need reminding this is what it would need to look like to get El Nino

this was 2014 when El Nino tried to get going but failed till late


this was 2015 when El Nino finally decided to come that year
Report: Oregon's Urine-Collecting Climate-Change Denier Considered As President Trump's National Science Adviser

Donald Trump's billionaire backers, the Mercers, are big fans of Cave Junction's own Arthur B. Robinson.


Link
Quoting 145. AdamReith:


"...real scientists..." Hmm. So, according to you, the U. S. National Academy of Sciences, NASA, the American Physical Society, the Royal Society of London, in short, every national science academy and professional association of every advanced country in the world...they're all just hacks?

Who are these "real scientists" you are referring to?


Magerman told the Wall Street Journal that Mercer’s political opinions “show contempt for the social safety net that he doesn’t need, but many Americans do.” He also said that Mercer wants the U.S. government to be “shrunk down to the size of a pinhead.” Several former colleagues of Mercer’s said that his views are akin to Objectivism, the philosophy of Ayn Rand. Magerman told me, “Bob believes that human beings have no inherent value other than how much money they make. A cat has value, he’s said, because it provides pleasure to humans. But if someone is on welfare they have negative value. If he earns a thousand times more than a schoolteacher, then he’s a thousand times more valuable.” Magerman added, “He thinks society is upside down—that government helps the weak people get strong, and makes the strong people weak by taking their money away, through taxes.” He said that this mind-set was typical of “instant billionaires” in finance, who “have no stake in society,” unlike the industrialists of the past, who “built real things.”

Link
David Magerman, in his essay for the Inquirer, notes that Mercer “has surrounded our President with his people, and his people have an outsized influence over the running of our country, simply because Robert Mercer paid for their seats.” He writes, “Everyone has a right to express their views.” But, he adds, “when the government becomes more like a corporation, with the richest 0.001% buying shares and demanding board seats, then we cease to be a representative democracy.” Instead, he warns, “we become an oligarchy.” ♦

GFS 7-day forecast mean 2m air temperature anomalies (Arctic): Link
Burundi's capital hit by floods
Roughly a month's worth of rain in a night destroys homes in Bujumbura.

At least six people have died in Burundi in a night of torrential rain and flooding that triggered landslides and caused widespread damage.

Link
NSW floods: SES responds to hundreds of calls for help after deluge

Forecasters on Saturday afternoon issued a severe weather warning, noting that areas inland of Evans head in the northern rivers region had received 70mm of rain in just one hour.

Rainfall totals of up to 200mm were expected, with parts of the northern rivers and mid north coast already recording more than 100mm since 9am Friday, the Bureau said.


Link
Climate change is certainly causing more powerful storms
Even blizzards show that climate change is a very serious problem


Michael E. Mann, Director of the Earth System Science Center and Distinguished Professor of Meteorology at Penn State University, observed that the warming climate is actually causing more snow. “The oceans have been at record levels of warm the past two years (and climate change is a key contributor to that),” Mann said. “That record warmth means that there is more moisture in the atmosphere that is available both to help strengthen the storm and produce record snowfalls as the warm oceanic air is entrained in toward the eastern U.S. by the cyclonic winds of the storm. Climate model simulations indicate a likelihood for stronger, more snow-making storms, and that’s what we’re seeing.”

Link
From TWC:

Matthew Parker, President of the American Meteorological Society, Dies at Age 53

Matthew Parker, current president of the American Meteorological Society, passed away in his sleep Wednesday night, according to a statement from the AMS released Friday.

Parker was 53 years old.

A senior fellow meteorologist at the Savannah River National Laboratory in Aiken, South Carolina, Parker was just sworn in as president of the AMS in January.

"He was not just a colleague but a close friend that has stayed in my family's home," said Dr. Marshall Shepherd, past-president of the AMS and host of The Weather Channel's WxGeeks.

[...]

Parker authored or co-authored numerous papers in his career, including studies of Hurricane Hugo, an October 1989 tornado and May 2002 hailstorm at the Savannah River Site.

[...]

Shepherd said Parker was very excited about the next AMS annual meeting, his first as president, in January 2018.

"As President, I will represent our Society domestically and abroad. I will encourage productive and unifying discourse amongst the government, academic, and commercial sectors," wrote Parker on his AMS bio webpage.

"I will encourage young colleagues to take on roles of increasing responsibility and encourage our senior professionals to continue their critical efforts supporting the foundation of our science."

Shepherd said it is up to all of us in the AMS to see his vision through.

Dr. Roger Wakimoto, assistant director for the National Science Foundation's Directorate of Geosciences, will assume the duties of AMS president.

Click here to read full article.
Big flooding in Yakima, Washington.

Flooding video Yakima
Quoting 166. MahFL:



According to Wiki we are still in an Ice Age, we coming out of it, but not yet out completely.
So if you think it's warm now, you ain't seen nothing yet....

"The major glacial stages of the current ice age in North America are the Illinoian..."

Link


I should have been a little clearer. We're in an inter-glacial period in an ice age. To cool the planet back to what most people consider an "ice age" (cold, snow, and glaciers everywhere) would require dropping CO2 below pre-industrial levels. :)

I shall receive 20 lashes for using the colloquial definition of ice age. :D
Quoting 161. riverat544:


A few years ago I saw some scientists comments about this. They said that CO2 levels would have to get below about 250 ppm for a new ice age to commence from their calculations. I don't think it was in a peer reviewed paper, just some climatologist calculating it but it makes some sense to me.


You can do a "back-of-the-envelope" calculation and figure out the approximate level needed to drop the Earth's average temperature by a couple degrees (all it takes to trigger an ice age). That 250 ppm is in the ballpark. Due to the logarithmic nature of the effects of CO2, the difference between pre-industrial and glacial is smaller than pre-industrial and hot house. :P
Ive been saving comments and blogs for over month now, I think,..

I'll be posting a select few for a top 100 comments from all posters from across the years.

Should be a good time.
Quoting 191. Xyrus2000:



I should have been a little clearer. We're in an inter-glacial period in an ice age. To cool the planet back to what most people consider an "ice age" (cold, snow, and glaciers everywhere) would require dropping CO2 below pre-industrial levels. :)

I shall receive 20 lashes for using the colloquial definition of ice age. :D


Let da flogging commence.


: )

Quoting 184. 999Ai2016:


GFS 7-day forecast mean 2m air temperature anomalies (Arctic): Link


It appears we have likely already reached maximum ice extent and will likely set a new record low. Melt season isn't looking too good with large areas of fractured and inconsistent ice already appearing
Quoting 190. Lurkindanger:

Big flooding in Yakima, Washington.

Flooding video Yakima

Thank you. Fixing the link: LINK
With that background music the blue flooding somehow looks idyllic but of course it's a nuissance. Sorry to learn about it. My sister visited Yakima a couple of months ago, from Germany, and showed me some pics.
US 'forces G20 to drop any mention of climate change' in joint statement
Independent, an hour ago

G20 leaders roll back commitment to free trade and climate change following US pressure
Telegraph, by Cara McGoogan, 18 March 2017 - 2:59pm
... In a major international clash, the new US administration also teamed up with Saudi Arabia to condemn the reference to climate change funding in the agreement.
After the two countries took umbrage with the environmental commitments, a reference to the Paris deal from 2015 was also watered down. ...


France regrets G20 meeting outcome on trade, climate change
Sat Mar 18, 2017 | 10:50am EDT
Quoting 190. Lurkindanger:

Big flooding in Yakima, Washington.

Flooding video Yakima


Creek spring swell floods streets of Yakima, Washington

I see that Barbamz beat me to it. You have to get up pretty early in the morning to get one past Barbamz. Sadly, I am a late riser.
Be not afraid to mock the mockable.
We will NOT go silently into the dark night. We are the light, we are the storm.

We will shine thru their darkness and light a new World soon.

Semper Fi'
Quoting 198. Some1Has2BtheRookie:



Creek spring swell floods streets of Yakima, Washington

I see that Barbamz beat me to it. You have to get up pretty early in the morning to get one past Barbamz. Sadly, I am a late riser.


She is also 6-7 hours ahead by day and night over dere too. So be light upon thine self.

look! the blog is successfully talking about climate change AND world weather, and isn't it amazing :) lots of awesome info, videos, and insight from people who understand simple physics and chemistry.

that water bottle experiment sounds really cool Xyrus, might try it today. i do have a question about this part

'In the bottle with CO2, the mean free path is much shorter. Instead of the photons flying through the bottle relatively unimpeded, a lot of them end up hitting CO2 molecules. Since the path they travel is longer, it takes longer for them to escape. The heat becomes trapped, so it has a chance to build up. When you take the heat source away, the bottle will cool down but at a slower rate as it takes longer to all the photons escape.'

you say the mean free path (can you explain that just a bit more too?) the photons take is much slower because of the co2 molecules the photons run into. but then say 'since the path they travel is longer, it takes longer for them to escape', which confused me after you mentioned the shorter 'mean free path'..i feel like my understanding this boils down to the mean free path, and my lack of really understanding what that means :P

little clipper coming through toronto today, really pretty snow globe snow, with not much wind, temps around 0 celsius,
and classical music on the radio. hope everyone has a good day, and some good weather. (depending on where you are, i guess good weather is kind of relative :P)
Quoting 197. barbamz:

US 'forces G20 to drop any mention of climate change' in joint statement
Independent, an hour ago

G20 leaders roll back commitment to free trade and climate change following US pressure
Telegraph, by Cara McGoogan, 18 March 2017 - 2:59pm

France regrets G20 meeting outcome on trade, climate change
Sat Mar 18, 2017 | 10:50am EDT


brutal, this does not bode well
Quoting 200. Patrap:



She is also 6-7 hours ahead by day and night over dere too. So be light upon thine self.




I thought about that and tried to rationalize this with Barbamz racing out ahead of me. I then had to face the simple reality. I am a late riser. sigh. stupid alarm clocks!
Quoting 198. Some1Has2BtheRookie:
I see that Barbamz beat me to it. You have to get up pretty early in the morning to get one past Barbamz. Sadly, I am a late riser.

Lol, Rookie. Move to Germany then, and you'll become an early bird in here too - even as a late riser (as I am as well) :-)
BTW, Germany hasn't switched to summer time yet. So I'm even earlier for a while, waiting for you folks to wake up!
and here's my selection of earth/weather photos today (all photos mine), from the last few years.







cloud city, star wars episode 5 anyone? some slight liberties taken in photoshop :P






and one of the prettiest things in nature i've ever seen..thousands of little ice flake flowers forming on a 3" layer of ice on the bay in toronto, after an overnight drop of 20-25 degrees celsius.
Quoting 196. barbamz:


Thank you. Fixing the link: LINK
With that background music the blue flooding somehow looks idyllic but of course it's a nuissance. Sorry to learn about it. My sister visited Yakima a couple of months ago, from Germany, and showed me some pics.


Thank you! Small world. I have extended family there in Naches right outside the city. Beautiful place to visit. I love car hunting there because its a desert and everything is dry.
Quoting 202. earthisanocean:



brutal, this does not bode well


I have stated that Trump's strong distaste of anything related to climate change and its impacts on the global efforts towards mitigating the warming global climate would largely depend on how the rest of the world responded to this. You are correct. It does not bode well.
For a change amid all this dire weather and climate news, here is something very beautiful:

17.03.2017: Bioluminescent algae stunned beachgoers near George Town, Tasmania. The mystifying blue waters are actually a natural phenomenon linked to a species called Noctiluca scintillans, commonly referred to as 'sea sparkle.' Tasmania, the island off the south coast of Australia, is known for its vast protected wilderness.

February 2017: Earth's 2nd Warmest February and 4th Warmest Month in Recorded History

By: Jeff Masters , 4:07 PM GMT on March 17, 2017*


(*After temperature adjustments made by the NOAA)

---------------
Fixed that for you.
Real science is a debate, climate change doesn't allow debate as the climate is always changing.
Amazing what has happened since Sept 27th 2016. Models doing little flippity flops, but it appears a couple more storms for California, esp Northern California but currently 2-4 inches for Soo Cal and up to 9" up north!



Quoting 210. frank727:

Real science is a debate, climate change doesn't allow debate as the climate is always changing.

What's the window taste like this morning, frank? Cold, or has it warmed up a bit?
Local news article from Yakima about the flooding.

Looks like more water could be on the way
im constantly amazed by the parallels that exist in the way nature presents itself.

goes 16 from the amazon, looking like lightning with the sunglint

lightning and water : the path of least resistance
Storm #1 Inbound to California



Raining and Snowing again!



Storm #2 Inbound



More rain and snow!

Quoting 210. frank727:

Real science is a debate, climate change doesn't allow debate as the climate is always changing.


The Science behind climate change certainly does allow for debate. The psuedo-science that others wish to enter into the debate is quickly discarded for what it is. We can debate any scientific evidence that you wish to enter into discussion. Whats ya got?
Quoting 209. BuckStrider:


February 2017: Earth's 2nd Warmest February and 4th Warmest Month in Recorded History

By: Jeff Masters , 4:07 PM GMT on March 17, 2017*


(*After temperature adjustments made by the NOAA)

---------------
Fixed that for you.



Anyone that would suggest that the temperature data is adjusted for the purpose of presenting a ruse must surely be a charlatan on the subject.
Laurence Dyke‏:
@LaurenceDyke

Polar night is over. 1st MODIS images (@nasa) show big problems in Nares Strait, no bridges of landfast ice. Arctic export already occurring

Looks like there might be some significant severe weather next week in the US. Day 7:









End of March is when the meat of the severe weather/tornado season begins I believe.
Quoting 160. riverat544:


With all the snow in the mountains they probably can't do anything major until the snow melt runoff is over. Probably late June or July.

Exactly...
Quoting 195. MrTornadochase:


It appears we have likely already reached maximum ice extent...
Indeed we have:

Click for larger image:


2017 could very well set new records for annual minimums, but that remains to be seen. Even with the NH sea ice in such horrible shape at the start of the melting season, weather still rules the Arctic, so the right conditions can certainly put the damper on ice melt, as we saw just last year.

At any rate, it should be an interesting summer...
Quoting 209. BuckStrider:


February 2017: Earth's 2nd Warmest February and 4th Warmest Month in Recorded History

By: Jeff Masters , 4:07 PM GMT on March 17, 2017*


(*After temperature adjustments made by the NOAA)

---------------
Fixed that for you.


Yeah, because it only counts as "science" if you include device errors, reporting errors as "good data". Eliminating or correcting errors is clearly the work of the Great Liberal Debbil, or Libbie Debbil as I call her.
Liking the debate that has been happening on this blog.... very civil for the most part... thats great discourse..... spreading of ideas, listening to both sides no matter how outlandish "the other side" may be.... friendly debate is all fine and great.

I personally believe that climate change is real.... it is not just global warming.... climate change is much more general than that. I am no scientist but thats what I believe....

This has been the coldest March I can remember for a long time in my area.... but I have noticed a little that NOAA monthly temperatures are a bit biased towards warm than cold...... I guess that is just me. No I am not saying that NOAA is bad or anything I just think they have their equilibiriam that puts more emphasis on higher than average temperatures than lower than average.... or I guess you know since the earth is warming that the cooler than average are just a little lower than average but way lower than average than our warming trend average.

And I apologize for mentioning that comment, I should have just flagged and moved on.... guess just thought a response would suffice..... I dont think I have ever flagged anything so I guess that was a natural response on my part.

Friendly debate.... all good. :]

Im kinda missing that 80 degree day in February lol. :D
Quoting 222. Neapolitan:

Indeed we have:



2017 could very well set new records for annual minimums, but that remains to be seen. Even with the NH sea ice in such horrible shape at the start of the melting season, weather still rules the Arctic, so the right conditions can certainly put the damper on ice melt, as we saw just last year.

At any rate, it should be an interesting summer...

Somewhere between interesting (if we're lucky) and disaster-movie-terrifying (if we are unlucky).

C'mon, interesting!
Amazing in my lifetime we've had the 600 warmest months in recorded history and the 600 coldest months in recorded history.
Amazing in my lifetime we've had the 600 warmest months in recorded history and the 600 coldest months in recorded history.
Quoting 226. Misogynist:

Amazing in my lifetime we've had the 600 warmest months in recorded history and the 600 coldest months in recorded history.

Congrats. There aren't that many 100 year old people around, fewer still posting on the intertubes. Most impressive!
Quoting 209. BuckStrider:

February 2017: Earth's 2nd Warmest February and 4th Warmest Month in Recorded History

By: Jeff Masters , 4:07 PM GMT on March 17, 2017*
(*After temperature adjustments made by the NOAA)
---------------
Fixed that for you.
You "fixed" it according to denier propaganda. Deniers don't understand temperature data.


Quoting 210. frank727:

Real science is a debate, climate change doesn't allow debate as the climate is always changing.
This doesn't even make sense. The troll quality is declining.
Quoting 228. Misanthroptimist:


Congrats. There aren't that many 100 year old people around, fewer still posting on the intertubes. Most impressive!
He's older than that. I calculate he's 135, at least.
Quoting 226. Misogynist:

Amazing in my lifetime we've had the 600 warmest months in recorded history and the 600 coldest months in recorded history.


How old ARE you....? That's 1200 months all told (and presumably there must've been some months that weren't a record either way~) and that makes a hundred years.

Be gone for a while.
Quoting 230. AdamReith:

He's older than that. I calculate he's 135, at least.

Well, the poster may be a lady. I always tell a woman she looks younger than she really is. It's not a bad strategy to use on men, either, now that I think about it.

Note: Do not do that if you are in high school. Telling your 17yo date that she looks 11 will *never* result in anything good. Ever.

@186

The problem with "The Problem with Facts" (and some similar essays out there) is that it doesn't really tell the whole story and it doesn't offer any realistic solution. It is merely an exhortation to futility and hopelessness. Also, the main argument (that facts don't convince anyone, unless they are already open-minded) and the conclusion, even if taken at face value, do not really apply here--to this particular setting, in my opinion.

Let's start with the main argument first and assume the essay is accurate to some extent. It seems to me that one can determine in our circumstances that EITHER those who arrive here have passed a minimal 'science curiosity' test by having come this far into the WU site OR they have a non-science-related agenda. This leads me quickly to the conclusion that presenting facts HERE to the "science curious" does work, at least according to "The Problem with Facts". It also follows that those who do not respond to facts here on the Cat6 blog are currently science incurious and can be classified fairly reliably as having a political and/or financial agenda.**

As for the essay's conclusion about a more general problem of dealing with the public at large, we can not produce Carl Sagans at a moment's notice and most who are truly incurious do not even know who the heck Carl Sagan was, anyway, and did not know his work at the time he was alive and producing it, either.

There are other ways to cut through ignorance and incuriosity besides the one presented in the essay. The author's near-hopeless conclusion that only curiosity-creating super-Sagans can save us is not the only possible answer. (See @199 for another known effective, though less pretty, method).

These are a few problems with "The Problem with Facts", and certainly with arguing that it is applicable to this forum--in my opinion.

The bottom line is that facts about science do work for some, so we shouldn't stop posting them merely because they may not work for some others who are decidedly incurious anyway. And we can't wait for some magic super-Sagan to come along and post stuff to the Cat6 blog, either.

The essay is not a totally unhelpful, though. It is good to try to encourage and develop curiosity when it is possible to do so.

**[No, "Where is the hurricane going?" or "How big was the weather disaster?" are not necessarily questions that indicate science curiosity--so there are some possible legitimate motivations for coming here to this blog that are not indicative of science curiosity. But that is not what goes on here a lot of the time, particularly with relation to AGW.]
Quoting 236. WU_580152:

img src="data:image/jpeg;base64,/9j/4AAQSkZJRgABAQAAAQ ABAAD/2wCEAAkGBxITEhUTExMWFRUXGB8YGBgXGRgYGhgaFxcY ...
What is this?
Would you mind taking out your TRASH?
Quoting 238. WU_580152:

Former FBI Chief Ted Gunderson Says Chemtrail Death Dumps Must Be Stopped
Gunderson was indeed an FBI agent, and acted as the head of several geographical divisions. However, between the time he retired from the FBI in 1980 and before he died in 2011, he had moved away from reality and deep into conspiracy theory, developing a fascination with a number of crackpot ideas, such as the belief that there is a ritual sacrifice of 4,000 NYC residents every year, the government propagating both the 1995 OKC bombing and the 2001 terror attacks, and--of course--chemtrails.

This is a reality-based forum. Please stop.
Quoting 241. Neapolitan:

Gunderson was indeed an FBI agent, and acted as the head of several geographical divisions. However, between the time he retired from the FBI in 1980 and before he died in 2011, he had moved away from reality and deep into conspiracy theory, developing a fascination with a number of crackpot ideas, such as the belief that there is a ritual sacrifice of 4,000 NYC residents every year, the government propagating both the 1995 OKC bombing and the 2001 terror attacks, and--of course--chemtrails.

This is a reality-based forum. Please stop.
Yes, please do, and stop posting pages of nonsense code also.
Quoting 231. MontanaZephyr:



How old ARE you....? That's 1200 months all told (and presumably there must've been some months that weren't a record either way~) and that makes a hundred years.


What's so strange about that? :)
235. petrichor

At least you read it even if you do not agree with it.
The problem with contrails is that they go along with jets dumping lots of plain old CO2 into the atmosphere, not some supposedly exotic 'chemical'.
Quoting 245. WU_580152:

What Chemtrails Are Doing To Your Brain - Neurosurgeon Dr. Russell Blaylock Reveals Shocking Facts.
STOP IT! I think we've had about enough of this bs. Don't you have a facebook page or something where idiots like you post crap?
@244
I almost didn't read it, but I went ahead anyway. There is a lot of discussion like that going around these days, and there is some basis, I'm sure, in the original study(-ies). But it doesn't really deserve all the attention it's getting. I mean, it's not as if we ever thought that telling people facts would make them less delusional, or anything. Where's the 'there' there? Much ado about nothing, I think.
Reading anything posted by WU_580152 damages your brain according to the world's leading neurosurgeon!
Quoting 249. petrichor:

Reading anything posted by WU_580152 damages your brain according to the world's leading neurosurgeon!
...and the time and brain cells are irrevocably lost.
This has always been the trouble with this blog. People have always felt empowered to post any kind of bs they want to here. Hopefully that's going to change in a couple of weeks. I started coming here again because I thought it was already getting better, but now I see it still has the same old nasty problems.

Report: Oregon's Urine-Collecting Climate-Change Denier Considered As President Trump's National Science Adviser

Donald Trump's billionaire backers, the Mercers, are big fans of Cave Junction's own Arthur B. Robinson.


Arthur B. Robinson is the fellow who whipped up the famous 33,000 "scientists" who doubt climate change petition . To lobby against Kyoto.
It was good to learn he's also a sheep farmer who keeps 20,000 bottles of human urine frozen at his house in Oregon.


John Constable circa 1822



Norton Bush - 1868



I had a nice conversation with my neighbor. He assured me there was nothing to the Chemtrail Theory. He said, "Believe me, would I lie to you? Although he did have a secret plan that would reveal everything, "next week".



Quoting 255. Grothar:

John Constable circa 1822



Norton Bush - 1868



I had a nice conversation with my neighbor. He assured me there was nothing to the Chemtrail Theory. He said, "Believe me, would I lie to you? Although he did have a secret plan that would reveal everything, "next week".






bless you, that first painting is beautiful
Quoting 245. WU_580152:

What Chemtrails Are Doing To Your Brain - Neurosurgeon Dr. Russell Blaylock Reveals Shocking Facts.

If you were to tell me you live directly under the world's busiest aircraft flyway, I might believe you; otherwise, not so much.
Totally outta here, see you next Spring.
ignore chemtrail dolt,

he clearly is just trying to piss people off,

here's some more weather nature pics, to get us excited about summer. i'll be so sad when i leave this house, the roof access and shooting vantage point is phenomenal.







thanks mod !
Who Am I?

Who Am I

Well now...y'all know the reason for wearing a tinfoil hat is to keep the chemtrails from landing on your head.
Quoting 226. Misogynist:

Amazing in my lifetime we've had the 600 warmest months in recorded history and the 600 coldest months in recorded history.


On my lifetime CO2 has gone up 100ppm.

That is since Jan 1960....within Plus /Minus 5ppm I believe.

Thats 686 months.

Also, my heart has been beating now in 7 decades, 2 centuries, and 2 millennia.

I was concieved in April 59'.

The terra forming is ahead of schedule.


Vee r Winning'















They died of thirst..Extreme conditions wipe out forest over 1000 kilometers…

The death of mangrove forests stretched over 1000 kilometres of Australia’s northern coast a year ago has been blamed on extreme conditions including record temperatures.

About 7400 hectares of mangroves strung along the Gulf of Carpentaria died in a single month in early 2016 because of the unusual warmth, a prolonged drought and an El Nino that reduced local sea levels by about 20 centimetres, said Norman Duke, head of the Mangrove Research hub at James Cook University.
I think in t'was Hurricane Alma in 68', yup..it t'was when Grothar said, "It'll be a piece of cake Pat, just hang on and enjoy the ride,"...

The X-RV will get ya there...,but after that, your on yer own.








Quoting 201. earthisanocean:

look! the blog is successfully talking about climate change AND world weather, and isn't it amazing :) lots of awesome info, videos, and insight from people who understand simple physics and chemistry.

that water bottle experiment sounds really cool Xyrus, might try it today. i do have a question about this part

'In the bottle with CO2, the mean free path is much shorter. Instead of the photons flying through the bottle relatively unimpeded, a lot of them end up hitting CO2 molecules. Since the path they travel is longer, it takes longer for them to escape. The heat becomes trapped, so it has a chance to build up. When you take the heat source away, the bottle will cool down but at a slower rate as it takes longer to all the photons escape.'

you say the mean free path (can you explain that just a bit more too?) the photons take is much slower because of the co2 molecules the photons run into. but then say 'since the path they travel is longer, it takes longer for them to escape', which confused me after you mentioned the shorter 'mean free path'..i feel like my understanding this boils down to the mean free path, and my lack of really understanding what that means :P

little clipper coming through toronto today, really pretty snow globe snow, with not much wind, temps around 0 celsius,
and classical music on the radio. hope everyone has a good day, and some good weather. (depending on where you are, i guess good weather is kind of relative :P)


It may sound confusing but the concept is quite simple. :)

Lets say you have a long tube that your going to shoot a ball down. The length the ball travels is same as the length of the tube. You shoot 1000 balls down the tube, the average length of the path is equal to the length of the tube. The mean free path also equals the length of the tube, since there are no obstructions.

Now lets say you set up a "reflector" somewhere along the length of the tube. This reflector will randomly pop up when a ball crosses it and it will bounce the ball back down the tube (which will then bounce forward again so on and so forth). Now when you shoot the ball down the tube, sometimes it will go all the way through unimpeded. Other times it will hit the reflector and bounce back. Sometimes a single ball will end up triggering the reflector multiple times resulting in a much longer path.

Because of this reflector, the average length the ball travels has now increased. Simultaneously, the average free path (how far the ball goes before hitting something) has decreased. The more reflectors you add, the longer the mean path gets and the shorter the mean free path gets.

This is how greenhouse gases operate. Believe it or not, very little of the sun's IR actually reaches the surface of the planet. The heat we feel and the heat in the atmosphere comes from other wavelengths (like visible light) hitting various materials and being reflected as long wave IR (heat). Greenhouse gases then act like the reflectors in the tube, increasing the average path IR photons have to travel before finally re-radiating out to space. The higher the concentration of gases, the longer the average path becomes and the shorter the mean free path gets.
Quoting 264. earthisanocean:

ignore chemtrail dolt,

he clearly is just trying to piss people off,


The entire blog is ignore-able. That's why people don't come here anymore.
Yogi Berra: "Nobody goes there anymore, it's too crowded."
A nice longer read for the weekend:
The climate change battle dividing Trump’s America
The Guardian, Andrew Anthony, Saturday 18 March 2017 18.00 GMT
Climate change denial and energy conspiracy are high on the president’s agenda, but US scientists are fighting back ...

In Race to Curb Climate Change, Cities Outpace Nations

Climate Central, Published: March 18th, 2017, by Alister Doyle, Reuters
Cities from Oslo to Sydney are setting goals to curb climate change that exceed national targets, causing tensions with central governments about who controls policy over green energy and transport and construction. ...

Good night from windy and rainy Germany. Strong winds especially in Berlin today, unfortunately causing one fatality.
Quoting 259. ACSeattle:


If you were to tell me you live directly under the world's busiest aircraft flyway, I might believe you; otherwise, not so much.


I live between Dulles and BWI. When weather conditions are right for high tropospheric condensation, then you can get quite the display of contrails.

But you know what I don't see? Abnormal levels of aluminum or barium, which according to the nutter I should be seeing as a result of all those contrails. There'd also be a rather noticeable lack of rodents and other wildlife, as water soluble barium compounds are poisonous.

Contrails are just plain old everyday water vapor, a by product of burning hydrocarbons. The average jet aircraft literally produces tons of water over a typical flight. Basic chemistry. But why use basic chemistry when you can use basic CrAzY?
Quoting 274. WU_140542:



ohhhh...now I understand, and I think everyone else will too.
Your mission here is complete.
Now you can move on through the internet to educate the world.
Thank you, no really, thank you.






Window opens 7:44 PM
Quoting 273. bwtranch:

The entire blog is ignore-able. That's why people don't come here anymore.


nah man, today was a great day until chemtrail dolt came along. vibrant discussion, not too much doom and gloom...just the right amount of passion.

i honestly hope the deniers/trolls get so personally offended by being fact checked so often, that they leave. when they do, real science and intelligent conversation on the pressing topics of the day can take place. as we saw today.
Quoting 272. Xyrus2000:



It may sound confusing but the concept is quite simple. :)

Lets say you have a long tube that your going to shoot a ball down. The length the ball travels is same as the length of the tube. You shoot 1000 balls down the tube, the average length of the path is equal to the length of the tube. The mean free path also equals the length of the tube, since there are no obstructions.

Now lets say you set up a "reflector" somewhere along the length of the tube. This reflector will randomly pop up when a ball crosses it and it will bounce the ball back down the tube (which will then bounce forward again so on and so forth). Now when you shoot the ball down the tube, sometimes it will go all the way through unimpeded. Other times it will hit the reflector and bounce back. Sometimes a single ball will end up triggering the reflector multiple times resulting in a much longer path.

Because of this reflector, the average length the ball travels has now increased. Simultaneously, the average free path (how far the ball goes before hitting something) has decreased. The more reflectors you add, the longer the mean path gets and the shorter the mean free path gets.

This is how greenhouse gases operate. Believe it or not, very little of the sun's IR actually reaches the surface of the planet. The heat we feel and the heat in the atmosphere comes from other wavelengths (like visible light) hitting various materials and being reflected as long wave IR (heat). Greenhouse gases then act like the reflectors in the tube, increasing the average path IR photons have to travel before finally re-radiating out to space. The higher the concentration of gases, the longer the average path becomes and the shorter the mean free path gets.


amazing! i get it now! thanks Xyrus. i effing love atmospheric science. even if i get more hopeless and misanthropic, the more i learn. ps tho, Misanthroptimist is one of my favourite handles on here, brilliant! gotta have a little hope.
Quoting 275. ChiThom:

Yogi Berra: "Nobody goes there anymore, it's too crowded."



Mail.
Rock legend Chuck Berry dead at the age of 90.

As if 2017 didn't already suck enough...
Quoting 280. earthisanocean:



nah man, today was a great day until chemtrail dolt came along. vibrant discussion, not too much doom and gloom...just the right amount of passion.

i honestly hope the deniers/trolls get so personally offended by being fact checked so often, that they leave. when they do, real science and intelligent conversation on the pressing topics of the day can take place. as we saw today.
I am hoping the new format will allow a more detailed moderating set of tools and a one sentence simple direct to the point format of engagement where
you can engage in scientific discussion on the new and improved Category 6 articles
We've lost another Rock and Roll Legend...


Chuck Berry has died.


The cooler-ator was crammed with TV dinners and ginger ale'......





The real king of rock and roll, RIP.
A beautiful 12th-century calendar from Crowland Abbey, marking 18 March as the first day of the world.

Chuck Berry (1926-2017) with Mick Jagger in 1969

"Today Vesuvius erupted. It was the most majestic and terrible sight I have ever seen, or ever expect to see." American pilot Norman Lewis, March 18, 1944

L'ultima eruzione del Vesuvio iniziò nel pomeriggio del 18 marzo 1944



Quoting 277. Xyrus2000:



I live between Dulles and BWI. When weather conditions are right for high tropospheric condensation, then you can get quite the display of contrails.

But you know what I don't see? Abnormal levels of aluminum or barium, which according to the nutter I should be seeing as a result of all those contrails. There'd also be a rather noticeable lack of rodents and other wildlife, as water soluble barium compounds are poisonous.

Contrails are just plain old everyday water vapor, a by product of burning hydrocarbons. The average jet aircraft literally produces tons of water over a typical flight. Basic chemistry. But why use basic chemistry when you can use basic CrAzY?


No mention of dark contrails. I used to see them in the California central valley. Really just shadows of regular contrails which showed up in the haze. Something I found interesting, when I turned my polarized glasses to darken the sky, the shadow disappeared. Meant, to me at least, that the polarization of the blue sky takes place at an altitude lower than planes fly. I had always thought of the polarization happening "way up at the top."
Why Scientists Are Worried About a Landslide No One Saw or Heard: It's all about climate change, retreating glaciers, and newly exposed rock. No one heard the mountainside fall into the fjord on a rainy night on October 17, 2015. No one saw an almost unimaginably huge and powerful wave crest at 600 feet and sweep down the inlet.

Quoting 294. BaltimoreBrian:

Why Scientists Are Worried About a Landslide No One Saw or Heard: It's all about climate change, retreating glaciers, and newly exposed rock. No one heard the mountainside fall into the fjord on a rainy night on October 17, 2015. No one saw an almost unimaginably huge and powerful wave crest at 600 feet and sweep down the inlet.



This happened in Lituya Bay, Alaska on July 9, 1958 at 22:16. A large earthquake caused a rockslide of 40 million cubic yards to fall into the bay. It caused a wave crest that destroyed vegetation up to 1722 feet (525 meters) above the height of the bay.

1958 Lituya Bay megatsunami

Here's a story by Dave Kiffer about the megatsunami and how although two people in a boat anchored in the bay were killed others managed to survive:

SURVIVING THE BIGGEST WAVE EVER: 50 Years Ago, 1,700 Foot Wave Devastated Lituya Bay


Southeast Alaska Earthquake. Scar at the head of Lituya Bay and wave damage on the north shore, from southwest of Gilbert Inlet to La Chaussee spit. August 9, 1958. Photos Form a panorama
Photograph courtesy U.S. Geological Survey
Quoting 280. earthisanocean:



nah man, today was a great day until chemtrail dolt came along. vibrant discussion, not too much doom and gloom...just the right amount of passion.

i honestly hope the deniers/trolls get so personally offended by being fact checked so often, that they leave. when they do, real science and intelligent conversation on the pressing topics of the day can take place. as we saw today.
News Flash: Bone broth negates effects of ChemTrails: Scientists at the newly formed ChemTrail Laboratory have almost certainly defined and ameliorated the cause of the toxic gas. Author of the study and primal investigator, Rudd Rude, laid it out for us in an exclusive interview:
"Bone broth has amazing properties, not only is the long simmering process conducive to relaxation, but the broth itself has brain healing qualities," said Rude. While Rudd emphasized that he did not want to be rude, said that, "Most encounters with Chem Trails effects can almost always be traced back to a lack of bone broth and we have found a definite correlation, but more research is needed".
And more marginal research they will, the Bone Broth Research Council has been established in Second World nations like the United States, and other Russian compadres are sure to fall in line soon. So get off your butt and boil some bones soon, don't just do it for yourself, do it for your country.
Quoting 277. Xyrus2000:



I live between Dulles and BWI. When weather conditions are right for high tropospheric condensation, then you can get quite the display of contrails.

But you know what I don't see? Abnormal levels of aluminum or barium, which according to the nutter I should be seeing as a result of all those contrails. There'd also be a rather noticeable lack of rodents and other wildlife, as water soluble barium compounds are poisonous.

Contrails are just plain old everyday water vapor, a by product of burning hydrocarbons. The average jet aircraft literally produces tons of water over a typical flight. Basic chemistry. But why use basic chemistry when you can use basic CrAzY?


Has anybody calculated how many tons of aluminum and barium it would take to make those contrails?

I mean, it seems to me, Alcoa should be on a tear, and there ought to be aluminum trucks lined up on the tarmac.

And there ought to be some serious government payments to the airlines, and a lot of airport personable with top secret compartmentalized clearances.

Cheers
Qazulight
Quoting 297. Qazulight:



Has anybody calculated how many tons of aluminum and barium it would take to make those contrails?

I mean, it seems to me, Alcoa should be on a tear, and there ought to be aluminum trucks lined up on the tarmac.

And there ought to be some serious government payments to the airlines, and a lot of airport personable with top secret compartmentalized clearances.

Cheers
Qazulight
It's CO2 and water vapor with some unburned hydrocarbons. Modern jet engines don't have that many unburned HC because it's wasted fuel.
You think jet engines have time to burn "shit", uh, no, they don't. Any impurity reduces the thrust of the airplane. Jet A fuel is just fuel, it's a purified form of kerosene. There is nothing else in there except maybe some fuel stabilizers, but those are hydrocarbons also.
Been a lurker here for years and have come to enjoy learning from you all. Let me preface what I'm about to say with this statement. I am very concerned about our planet and agree with the science.

For those of you who plan on participating in the March for Science:

Are you aware that Linda Sarsour has a level of involvement in this event?

Do you understand why her involvement may create severe problems for you?

Are you aware that ANTIFA is going to be present at this event?

I wish you all the best and hope that you attempt to answer these questions for yourself.
RE-united tonight in a Big Ol Great Gig in da Sky'





Quoting 296. bwtranch:

News Flash: Bone broth negates effects of ChemTrails: Scientists at the newly formed ChemTrail Laboratory have almost certainly defined and ameliorated the cause of the toxic gas. Author of the study and primal investigator, Rudd Rude, laid it out for us in an exclusive interview:
"Bone broth has amazing properties, not only is the long simmering process conducive to relaxation, but the broth itself has brain healing qualities," said Rude. While Rudd emphasized that he did not want to be rude, said that, "Most encounters with Chem Trails effects can almost always be traced back to a lack of bone broth and we have found a definite correlation, but more research is needed".
And more marginal research they will, the Bone Broth Research Council has been established in Second World nations like the United States, and other Russian compadres are sure to fall in line soon. So get off your butt and boil some bones soon, don't just do it for yourself, do it for your country.



THIS IS FAKE NEWS!

I have data that indicates the inhalation of burning cannabus is the real antidote.

It also makes sense. The state closest to the chemtrails, the one with the city that is always 5000 feet closer to them has a fully functional cannabus distribution system. Also, it is in the middle of the country so it gets the highest dosing.

Yes, when you look at the data, trust me it is the most awesome data you will ever see, you must come to the conclusion that burning cannabus is the only answer.

So light 'em up

Qazulight
Quoting 301. Qazulight:




THIS IS FAKE NEWS!

I have data that indicates the inhalation of burning cannabus is the real antidote.

It also makes sense. The state closest to the chemtrails, the one with the city that is always 5000 feet closer to them has a fully functional cannabus distribution system. Also, it is in the middle of the country so it gets the highest dosing.

Yes, when you look at the data, trust me it is the most awesome data you will ever see, you must come to the conclusion that burning cannabus is the only answer.

So light 'em up

Qazulight


We dig it Man...

Quoting 302. Patrap:



We dig it Man...


That's him on the left and he later went into comedy and changed his name. But that's definitely Rudd Rude.
Our time in this format, the wu...experiencers since April 2005, has about 340 Hours left till the plug is pulled and we go Disqus.

Thats like some long range model frames.

So, in one paragraph, what has been your overall experience here thru the years ?



Home, October 2005 New Orleans, pre FEMA Trailer Exodus.



Link

By Mitra Taj | LIMA

A sudden and abnormal warming of Pacific waters off Peru has unleashed the deadliest downpours in decades, with landslides and raging rivers sweeping away people, clogging highways and destroying crops.

At least 62 people have died and more than 70,000 have become homeless as Peru's rainy season has delivered 10 times as much rainfall than usual, authorities said Friday.





Quoting 305. Grothar:

Link

By Mitra Taj | LIMA

A sudden and abnormal warming of Pacific waters off Peru has unleashed the deadliest downpours in decades, with landslides and raging rivers sweeping away people, clogging highways and destroying crops.

At least 62 people have died and more than 70,000 have become homeless as Peru's rainy season has delivered 10 times as much rainfall than usual, authorities said Friday.








My God,

Peru flooding: woman scrambles out of vast mudslide video



Awful news there Grothar.

We are seeing that WV increase fro the Warming of the Global Atmosphere wring out just tremendous PWATs that are causing this terrible flooding rains.

We here in Louisiana feel for them..as we turn into the spring wet season here.

It was year ago this week we had our first Billion Dollar flood here up Baton Rouge way.

Then August came.



Quoting 299. OLeary:

Been a lurker here for years and have come to enjoy learning from you all. Let me preface what I'm about to say with this statement. I am very concerned about our planet and agree with the science.

For those of you who plan on participating in the March for Science:

Are you aware that Linda Sarsour has a level of involvement in this event?

Do you understand why her involvement may create severe problems for you?

Are you aware that ANTIFA is going to be present at this event?

I wish you all the best and hope that you attempt to answer these questions for yourself.


I don't understand how any of this has an effect on the march other than worries about this mystery group antifa and rumors of violence. The march itself is supposed to be peaceful.
I'm Leary of OLeary as I've seen and studied those tactics He is using decades ago.

Its still reeks of the same stench.




Quoting 307. Astrometeor:



I don't understand how any of this has an effect on the march other than worries about this mystery group antifa and rumors of violence. The march itself is supposed to be peaceful.


ANTIFA is not a mystery group. They are real and it would behoove you to learn more about them. They will be there. That is not a rumour, it is a fact. As for Sarsour, you'll have to answer those questions for yourselves.

This is all I will say on the matter. I truly wish you all the best.
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Michael Ventrice @MJVentrice

Atmosphere is moving into the strongest La Nina base state observed since 2012. Forecast projects the index to push down to -1.1 sigma
Quoting 309. OLeary:



ANTIFA is not a mystery group. They are real and it would behoove you to learn more about them. They will be there. That is not a rumour, it is a fact. As for Sarsour, you'll have to answer those questions for yourselves.

This is all I will say on the matter. I truly wish you all the best.

I would be careful too if ANTIFA is going to be there. Stay safe.
Quoting 309. OLeary:



ANTIFA is not a mystery group. They are real and it would behoove you to learn more about them. They will be there. That is not a rumour, it is a fact. As for Sarsour, you'll have to answer those questions for yourselves.

This is all I will say on the matter. I truly wish you all the best.



I Googled them, they sound like my kinda folks. So, when is this march?
Quoting 307. Astrometeor:



I don't understand how any of this has an effect on the march other than worries about this mystery group antifa and rumors of violence. The march itself is supposed to be peaceful.


We want the people to be peaceful as well as brave and to be brave you must remain peaceful
Quoting 279. nrtiwlnvragn:







Window opens 7:44 PM


And not a Kerbal in sight. What is the world coming to? :D
Sea Height Variation (mm) 1993-present. Latest measurement: January 2017.
Source/more info: climate.nasa.gov
Donald Trump is a climate change denier, so it’s not surprised he doesn’t see any use in NASA studying the climate. But that makes up a big part of its budget. Instead, the new budget significantly alters NASA’s Earth science program, which will result in the loss of a couple critical climate-studying missions, such as PACE, a spacecraft that would study ocean color to understand ocean health, and CLARREO Pathfinder, which would produce accurate climate records.

Link
Fossil Fuel Industry Pays For Climate Change Studies By Academia

Want an example? In February, Harvard University proudly screened a new film called The Great Transition as part of what it calls its Rational Middle Energy Series — programs designed to explore the future of energy. Harvard says the series is predicated on “a need and desire for a balanced discussion about today’s energy issues.” The screening took place at the Harvard Kennedy School’s Belfer Center.

What Harvard Didn’t Say

Here’s what the people who watched the film were not told. Shell was the sponsor of the event and was also the producer of the film. The director is vice president of a family-owned oil and gas company and has received nearly $300,000 from Shell. The Harvard Kennedy School has received at least $3.75 million from Shell. The discussion panel at the screening included a Shell vice president.

Want more? The film claims natural gas is clean energy but does not mention the deadly methane emissions that fracking to release natural gas from the ground causes. It goes on to say that renewable energy solutions are “a very long time off.” Richard Newell, identified as a former administrator at the US Energy Information Administration, is featured in the film. “You can get 50% reductions in your emissions relative to coal through natural gas,” he says without mentioning that the Energy Initiative he founded and directed at Duke University was funded to the tune of $4 million by an executive at a natural gas company.


Link
Quoting 309. OLeary:



ANTIFA is not a mystery group. They are real and it would behoove you to learn more about them. They will be there. That is not a rumour, it is a fact. As for Sarsour, you'll have to answer those questions for yourselves.

This is all I will say on the matter. I truly wish you all the best.


Do yourself a favor, and read up on these clowns , they're all ready in the White House. I'm far more scared of them .

THE RECLUSIVE HEDGE-FUND TYCOON BEHIND THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY
How Robert Mercer exploited America’s populist insurgency.


Another former high-level Renaissance employee said, “Bob thinks the less government the better. He’s happy if people don’t trust the government. And if the President’s a bozo? He’s fine with that. He wants it to all fall down.”

Link
The Mercers and Stephen Bannon: How a populist power base was funded and built
The wealthy GOP donors and Trump’s chief strategist collaborated on at least five ventures.


Link
The March for Science ............... There are currently 394 Satellite Marches being planned around the world , there's one in Kangerlussuaq, Qeqqata, Greenland.

Check out the map

I have been watching this site since before the 2004 hurricane season, finally joined in 2005. Don't post much, I come here to learn. Stupid question: I see that the new "disqus" requires joining thru a social media page. Does this mean that we will only be reading it via that social media page? Didn't really want the two to cross. TIA.
UK Met Office now warning of 300mm further rain potential in Peru/Brazil.

Link
An Asteroid Impact Resulted to Extinction of Ice Age Animals & Clovis People; Much Like the Fate of Dinosaurs

Massive beasts like mammoth, mastodon and saber-toothed tiger suddenly vanished around 10,000 BC together with Clovis people at the end of the last ice age - nobody knows why. A Recent discovery of platinum in large quantity across US archeological sites stir a possible explanation to this mystery. Platinum is an element that has a strong connection with cosmic matters like asteroids.

Science has long accepted the idea that there was a sudden drop in temperature 12,800 years ago that spanned for the next 1,400 years. This event is called the Younger-Dryas period which coincides with the extinction of Clovis people and the age of massive beasts. However, it baffles scientists because no one can conclude the trigger behind Younger-Dryas.

Since Harvard University found a large deposit of platinum in an ice core from Greenland in 2013, scientists began linking it with Younger-Dryas. The theory of an extraterrestrial impact is now gaining a foothold after soil layers in Arizona, California, New Mexico, North Carolina, Ohio, South Carolina and Virginia revealed platinum in soils.


Link
Quoting 299. OLeary:

Are you aware that Linda Sarsour has a level of involvement in this event?

Do you understand why her involvement may create severe problems for you?

Are you aware that ANTIFA is going to be present at this event?
Oh, Sarsour? Yeah, she's a 1) progressive, 2) hijab-wearing Muslim 3) female, which makes the radical right insane, so they've gone a little overboard trying to paint her as something she's not.

Sad!

Sarsour most recently spearheaded the fundraising campaign to repair the damage at a St. Louis Jewish cemetery vandalized by anti-Semites. I can see why that frightens the Bannon wing of the GOP, of course--but, really, she's not the devil Fox has made her out to be.
3/19 - snowing in DC
Quoting 313. Qazulight:




I Googled them, they sound like my kinda folks. So, when is this march?


people who are against antifa movements do realize you're literally aligning yourself with fascists right? antifa stands for anti fascist. if you're against anti fascists, by default you are PRO fascist. have fun with that, and expect NO sympathy or understanding from me.

i love how people think ANTIFA is a single organized group. much like the black bloc (theyre essentially the same thing), it is more of a tactic used to challenge fascists who want to hurt and or kill minority groups. all the power to them.

i'm an atheist anarchist, and sometimes you have to fight back. now more than ever, and now...on behalf of the planet. (in the western world anyway, i could list thousands of instances from 'developing' countries of people fighting back against corporate fascist takeovers of their land and resources if people dont get it...or one doesnt have to look far to see the numerous battles first nations groups around north america are facing now against resource extraction)

the ability to believe and feel that any kind of protest that doesn't remain peaceful is illegitimate is a privilege held by people who haven't experienced much violence in their own lives. if there is a multinational corporation pillaging your land for resources, and ruining and threatening your life in the process, the choice to use violence to fight back is not an easy one, and comes with a lot of risk. i have two beautiful memories of the black bloc from protests over the years.

one, in vancouver during the 2010 olympics where first nations groups from bc were protesting the absurd amount of money being wasted on the olympics and the destruction of first nation land to build a ski resort. an elderly indigenous woman died on a blockade, and during a major protest downtown, black bloc activists physically put themselves in between elderly first nations activists, and advancing riot police (and took a bit of a beating).

in toronto at the g20, a car with 2 elderly women ended up kind of trapped in one of the protests, and multiple black bloc activists cleared the way, and helped get the women safely out. and i kid you not as they drove away, one of them (they had to be at least 70) leaned out the window and shouted 'we love the black bloc!'

and before you say 'you're an anarchist? why do you want to watch the world burn?' please do some research about anarchism, and what it actually means/is.

(i know this is somewhat off topic, so please delete mod if this is not ok, but i think it's very important)



black bloc activist, and clown in a lighter moment from the g8 summit in 2005 near Edinburgh, Scotland.

(sorry Qazu, this isn't a response to your hilarious comment, but to Oleary's BS)
Quoting 327. stormygace:

3/19 - snowing in DC


You're kinda asking for it ;-)

Quoting 323. NEFLWATCHING:

I see that the new "disqus" requires joining thru a social media page.


Is this true? Will we be no longer able to post comments on here unless we have a social media account?
Quoting 330. wartsttocs:



Is this true? Will we be no longer able to post comments on here unless we have a social media account?



No, one can sign in with FB,,if one wants, but one can Join disqus straight up . It aint complicated.

Relax.
It does ask you to join via a social media page, in my case Facebook. Have not done it yet, trying to find if there will be a visible blog along the lines of what we now have, or if comments will post on via the social media page. Hope someone has the answer.
Good Sunday, everyone! Apart from the horrific flooding in Peru and the ongoing flooding in Australia/NSW the Arabian desert, esp. Saudi Arabia, sees sandstorms, hailstorms and downpours these days.

Sandstorm 'Madar' swarms parts of Saudi Arabia
Published Sunday 19 March 2017




Thunderstorm from outside Jeddah, Saudi Arabia on 18th March. you can see hail


Current satellite of the western Sahara with probably more severe weather on the way.

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Australia:
The wettest March in recent history is on the cards as Sydney clocks up 16 rainy days and more than a week to go
March 19, 201712:31pm

NSW residents trapped by flood waters
About 1300 people remain isolated by NSW floodwaters and more rain's expected for the coast, ranges and northern inland and flood warnings issued for 11 rivers.
Source: AAP, 19 Mar 2017
Thanks, Patrap.
All that is left here in this format is about 350 hours now.

One day soon this is gonna end'...

We had a great 12 year run though.

I'm gonna miss the smell of wu blogging in da morning'



A very dry winter for most of Europe:

Quoting 323. NEFLWATCHING:

I have been watching this site since before the 2004 hurricane season, finally joined in 2005. Don't post much, I come here to learn. Stupid question: I see that the new "disqus" requires joining thru a social media page. Does this mean that we will only be reading it via that social media page? Didn't really want the two to cross. TIA.
I'm not on any social media and I was able to sign up with Disqus and participate on Aquak9's WU refugee page. As I understand it (with very limited explanations so far) the comments portion of the new Cat6 blog will be structured by Disqus but be with the blog as it is now, and those who want to comment will need to have signed up with Disqus. I await further explanation in detail.
Despite colder than average conditions in my area throughout March it looks like globally the anomaly will be quite high. For today:
Quoting 208. barbamz:

For a change amid all this dire weather and climate news, here is something very beautiful:

17.03.2017: Bioluminescent algae stunned beachgoers near George Town, Tasmania. The mystifying blue waters are actually a natural phenomenon linked to a species called Noctiluca scintillans, commonly referred to as 'sea sparkle.' Tasmania, the island off the south coast of Australia, is known for its vast protected wilderness.

Very, very cool. Bioluminescence and cloudy skies in Tasmania, on March 11 (click to enlarge):

Source (via Facebook): Chatwin Photography
Quoting 340. wartsttocs:

Despite colder than average conditions in my area throughout March it looks like globally the anomaly will be quite high. For today:


Yes. So far, here's the story: Link
Will have to keep an eye on the severe weather outlook for the US, looks like Friday could be quite eventful:




If the claims are true that one must be a member of a social website page, I will not be able to blog on here anymore. Due to my job position, I am not able to join a social network. It would be a shame if this is true. After all, if I can't post pictures of me, how will you people ever know how good I look. I have met some wonderful bloggers on here and have had more laughs. I have learned so much and have always been amazed with the knowledge and expertise expressed by so many bloggers.

I will miss the literate and informative info from Barbamz who always gives a world perspective of weather, Baltimore Brian's plethora of long forgotten tidbits of our and other civilizations. The sweetness of justmehouston, the subtle wit of pottery, the mind blowing information of Xyrus, the intersting post of Patrap, and even the ascerbic wit of pensacoladoug.

Having taught at different levels, I always get a chuckle when our younger bloggers at 13 can eloquently refute a much older blogger with a quick one liner, like TA and Astro. Washi may rant sometimes, but I still love her. I never heard a bad word from SunnyDays. The banter with GeoffWPB always puts a smile on my face. I wish I could name everyone, but that would be impossible.

And just know that two hundred years from now, I'll still think of all of you fondly.
I tried joining your test run, Pat, by joining Disqus, but the verification email never arrives. It does say it's WU that requires the verification email so I'm wondering if it's the same problem I had earlier when joining WU. Ideas? I'm not a Facebook user. Does WU tech cover the test run site?
Scratch that last comment - verification email arrived just after posting
Quoting 344. Grothar:

If the claims are true that one must be a member of a social website page, I will not be able to blog on here anymore. Due to my job position, I am not able to join a social network. It would be a shame if this is true. After all, if I can't post pictures of me, how will you people ever know how good I look. I have met some wonderful bloggers on here and have had more laughs. I have learned so much and have always been amazed with the knowledge and expertise expressed by so many bloggers.

I will miss the literate and informative info from Barbamz who always gives a world perspective of weather, Baltimore Brian's plethora of long forgotten tidbits of our and other civilizations. The sweetness of justmehouston, the subtle wit of pottery, the mind blowing information of Xyrus, the intersting post of Patrap, and even the ascerbic wit of pensacoladoug.

Having taught at different levels, I always get a chuckle when our younger bloggers at 13 can eloquently refute a much older blogger with a quick one liner, like TA and Astro. Washi may rant sometimes, but I still love her. I never heard a bad word from SunnyDays. The banter with GeoffWPB always puts a smile on my face. I wish I could name everyone, but that would be impossible.

And just know that two hundred years from now, I'll still think of all of you fondly.


I have been on Disqus for about 2 years. Trust me when I say that it is far from being a "social" network. Yes, I know. It would still qualify as a social network, for as far as your job is concerned. I would hate to not see your comments here. They are informative, humorous, compassionate and always a pleasure to read. have you thought about quitting your job and becoming a full time blogger? ;) Hey! If Trump can use Twitter then you should be able to present this as a case for using Disqus! We all would support you in this defense.
Once again, more good stuff from Levi.


Quoting 344. Grothar:

If the claims are true that one must be a member of a social website page, I will not be able to blog on here anymore. Due to my job position, I am not able to join a social network. It would be a shame if this is true. After all, if I can't post pictures of me, how will you people ever know how good I look. I have met some wonderful bloggers on here and have had more laughs. I have learned so much and have always been amazed with the knowledge and expertise expressed by so many bloggers.

I will miss the literate and informative info from Barbamz who always gives a world perspective of weather, Baltimore Brian's plethora of long forgotten tidbits of our and other civilizations. The sweetness of justmehouston, the subtle wit of pottery, the mind blowing information of Xyrus, the intersting post of Patrap, and even the ascerbic wit of pensacoladoug.

Having taught at different levels, I always get a chuckle when our younger bloggers at 13 can eloquently refute a much older blogger with a quick one liner, like TA and Astro. Washi may rant sometimes, but I still love her. I never heard a bad word from SunnyDays. The banter with GeoffWPB always puts a smile on my face. I wish I could name everyone, but that would be impossible.

And just know that two hundred years from now, I'll still think of all of you fondly.


AS far as I understand it, joining DISQUS only involves registering through an email account. I do not participate on any "social media" platform - well except for this one - and was able to easily register simply using a gmail account.
All you have to do is register and verify via email. So hopefully we'll still be seeing you around Gro. Would miss your wit and pearls of wisdom.
While I see that the east coast is colder than normal, that has not held true for the intermountain west. We have have many days of record highs here in Santa Fe and our trees are bloomed out and leafing a month early.
Quoting 347. Some1Has2BtheRookie:



I have been on Disqus for about 2 years. Trust me when I say that it is far from being a "social" network. Yes, I know. It would still qualify as a social network, for as far as your job is concerned. I would hate to not see your comments here. They are informative, humorous, compassionate and always a pleasure to read. have you thought about quitting your job and becoming a full time blogger? ;) Hey! If Trump can use Twitter then you should be able to present this as a case for using Disqus! We all would support you in this defense.


Nowadays, you never know who might tap your blog.
Quoting 344. Grothar:



just enter disqus in the browser sign up with your email addy select a user name which can still be same as the one u have and add your avatar wait till april 3rd and sign in with digus info from there and bam you are in
here is a link to the sign up have any questions ask

Link

hood got a most excellent page set up as well see his blog for info and links to his page
water puppy aqua/rainman is up and running on disgus as well
Quoting 352. Grothar:



Nowadays, you never know who might tap your blog.


I have been trying to tell you that I have not had contact with Putin in, oh, 10 years? Maybe? ;)
From InsideClimate News:

Former EPA Officials: Trump Budget Is Even Worse Than It Seems

Harsh cuts proposed by Trump administration an 'all-out assault on clean air and clean water,' says former EPA chief Gina McCarthy.


Former EPA chief Gina McCarthy harshly criticized Trump's proposed budget cuts to the agency. Credit: Getty Images

As the environmental world copes with the budget outline unveiled by President Trump on Thursday, two former EPA administrators and a longtime environmental justice official have more sobering news: It's actually worse than you think.

The budget blueprint handed down from the White House sent the unmistakable message that it plans to take a hacksaw to climate action. And no agency fell more directly in its path than the Environmental Protection Agency.

"Literally and figuratively this budget is a scorched earth budget," said Gina McCarthy, EPA administrator under President Obama. "It represents really an all-out assault on clean air and clean water and our ability to have safe homes, schools and places to work."

Click here to read more.

funny thing with diqus is you can change your screen name to suit yer mood I have been jackfrost peterpan marypoppins etc etc etc lol

I am retiring the name keeperofthegate with the wunderblogs when they go and my name will be GateKeeper (KOTG) on the new format come april 3rd
Quoting 356. KEEPEROFTHEGATE:

funny thing with diqus is you can change your screen name to suit yer mood I have been jackfrost peterpan marypoppins etc etc etc lol

I am retiring the name keeperofthegate with the wunderblogs when they go and my name will be GateKeeper (KOTG) on the new format come april 3rd


Awesome, so I can flip back and forth with my alter ego TheNortoriousDJ with ease. Have to come up with some sort of superhero costume to mask my true identity.
Quoting 350. MontanaZephyr:

New York Times today:

Large Sections of Australia’s Great Reef Are Now Dead, Scientists Find


important note
when you sign up at digus and confirmed
when you go to the welcome screen
select make comments on sites
not add disgus to your site
Quoting 350. MontanaZephyr:

Australia is surrounded now by huge blocks of die - offs. The reef, in the East , the mangroves in the North , the kelp forests & sea grass in the West and South.

"We are the meteor"
“Lowest maximum on record (again)”

“After a drop of almost 262 thousand km2 in just three days, it looks highly likely that the maximum for sea ice extent was reached two weeks ago, according to the data provided by JAXA, the Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency.

It’s a new lowest maximum record, and the third time in a row that extent stayed below the 14 million km2 mark.”


Link
Quoting 360. RobertWC:

Quoting 350. MontanaZephyr:

Australia is surrounded now by huge blocks of die - offs. The reef, in the East , the mangroves in the North , the kelp forests & sea grass in the West and South.

"We are the meteor"
faster and faster
45 outside nice warmup been cold finally a nice day
As floodwaters rose in Baton Rouge and surrounding parishes in August, municipal police and sheriff's deputies dropped radar guns and ticket books to help rescue folks from their flooded homes. With interstates closed for days on end, fewer reckless motorists zipped by speed traps or swerved between lanes to be pulled over by watchful officers.

The officers performed essential work, leaving their lower-priority traffic details to rescue desperate residents and deter looters. Yet the thousands of citations that went unwritten have, months later, continued to leave a crater in the budgets of agencies that depend heavily on traffic fines and fees to fund their operations.

Those agencies include local public defenders, where a majority of their revenue comes from a $45 fee tacked onto traffic tickets. The offices of judges and district attorneys have also taken a hit.

Law enforcement agencies regularly redeploy manpower to respond to disasters. Yet the way Louisiana has structured its budget and directed court fees and traffic ticket revenues essentially means that abandoning a speed trap for a rescue boat during a flood can have a significant impact on numerous other agencies much later.


Link
There's good news and bad news.

Good news first - There are a lot of active political blogs where those WU members that love to discuss politics and anti-Trump policies can go. There are also some very active youtube channels where people LOVE to debate Trump policies
.

The bad news - The WU members that like discussing the daily weather, up coming forecasts, severe weather, tropical cyclones, etc. really don't have a good "active" blog. There are a few smaller blogs and forums, but they are not very "active."

It's a good time for someone with time to set up a good weather site and blog (better than what I've seen that's out there already). I put at least 70 hours a week into my job so its not me.

"active" - meaning a quick response time to comments
I signed up on Disqus. And I find it "disqus"ting. I was so confused I found myself on an anti-science blog and it almost made sense. Hopefully it will work out, but for now, I will be taking a hiatus. Don't worry, you won't have Grothar to kick around anymore. :) Hope to see you all soon.
Quoting 368. Grothar:

I signed up on Disqus. And I find it "disqus"ting. I was so confused I found myself on an anti-science blog and it almost made sense. Hopefully it will work out, but for now, I will be taking a hiatus. Don't worry, you won't have Grothar to kick around anymore. :) Hope to see you all soon.


I bet I am not the only one who looks for your posts. Please do not leave.

Oroville Spillway March 18, 2017

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It's a good time for someone with time to set up a good weather site and blog (better than what I've seen that's out there already). I put at least 70 hours a week into my job so its not me.

"active" - meaning a quick response time to comments


How about that biochemist / sheep herder in Beaver Creek Ore ? With 20,000 vials of human urine in his freezer. I hear he's swimming in money . He's the one who gave us that 33,000 "scientists" petition 20 years ago, and he thinks Jesus lived near dinosaur ranches. Sounds like a win/win to me . Wingnut physics, and wingnut weather. Love to read the forecasts coming out of that site.
Quoting 371. RobertWC:

Wingnut physics, and wingnut weather.

Aren't they still waiting for that global cooling?
As we have the fourth warmest month ever recorded we can see their very little thoughts about sunspots and El-Nino driving recent warming have really proven to be ignorant.

Screenshot of Irish weather forecast for Easter weekend, from Maundy Thursday, 2016.

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10 Facts About Being a Climate Scientist—From Climate Scientists

[...]

10. THEY THINK ABOUT TIME DIFFERENTLY.



Teaching university students about climate, White says he’s reminded on a daily basis of the fact that he thinks about time differently than most. “When I talk with my students about timeframes of interest, theirs may be Thursday night. But I have multiple ones because of what I do. I’m trained to think in tens of thousands of years. And I think quite a bit about the next 50, 100, 200 years.”

White says he and his international colleagues spend time on research expeditions talking about their children and grandchildren, pondering how the world can get beyond short-term thinking in order to be better prepared for the enormous global changes that will affect future generations.

“Human beings are capable of altering the planet long before we’re capable of understanding the ramifications of that," he says. "We say we love our kids, but do we show it? We will never deal with climate change until we learn to value our children and grandchildren at the 50-year timescale.”

Click here to read full article.
Quoting 368. Grothar:

I signed up on Disqus. And I find it "disqus"ting. I was so confused I found myself on an anti-science blog and it almost made sense. Hopefully it will work out, but for now, I will be taking a hiatus. Don't worry, you won't have Grothar to kick around anymore. :) Hope to see you all soon.

Hey Gro, I'm glad you won't leave us! Please don't forget to activate "privacy" in your new Disqus setting, otherwise we will be able to follow your tracks on all Disqus sites and read all the nonsense you've probably already posted in this anti-science blog, looking for new friends, lol.
And thanks for the flowers earlier :-)
373. wartsttocs

The straw man army is on fire. But it has finally gained the levers of power. They whine about "Politics" , but claim NOAA is full of cheaters . They what to blind NASA from looking at on the only palace where "life" can exist . I say let them go off and examine all that human urine, and raccoon entrails, and bones of Ayn Rand. They all have a rainbow "crackpottia". From Mars is getting warmer, ( Never mention Venus), to the Vikings were farming up a storm on Greenland, to "burn barrels" being placed too close to weather stations.

And the real pain is when they are not respected for their ideas . Then they whine , over and over.
That old American Idea :

My ignorance equals your learning.

They are not deniers , they are chorus of whiners. They all have a Masters in Biology , but don't give a fig about the rape of sea, the death of the Amazon , or the death of the Great Barrier Reef.

Then they tell us of their work , and their wealth. Like we are lazy pile of clowns who never broke a sweat.

Lets start a Kickstarter , I chip in a nickle to so these poor misunderstood great thinkers can a place of their own.
Huge sea waves kill one, leave 5 missing in southern Iran
PressTV, Sun Mar 19, 2017 2:58PM
At least one person has lost his life and five others have gone missing after huge sea waves caused by strong winds smashed into the port city of Dayyer in the southern Iranian province of Bushehr. ...
More, including pics and this video of the sudden surge, see link above.

Another video of the event:

Sonami in dayyer iran

Another video: LINK

Edit: Severe weather was moving from Saudi Arabia (remember the sandstorm and thunderstorms in there yesterday) over the Persian Gulf and this coastline of Iran today, so the swell was probably caused by weather:

And I will pack their bags when they go.
Anticipating to see what this Disqus will be like, already made my account for it.
378. barbamz
When I got to the Ore. coast there were these large signs in red. ....................

"Beware of Sneaker Waves"
Another site I read ............

McCormick –
I used to hang out on site for politics, as time went by I found myself posting more, and more climate links. Finally the host , Craig Crawford, asked me for “solutions” .
I said there are no “solutions”, our cake is baked. Things went downhill after that.

Our current state of affairs reminds me of Imperial Praetorian Guard auctioning off who would become the next emperor , after they had a had in murdering the last one.

But bread and circuses , still roll on, you got NASCAR and MARCH MADNESS , and pizza on the I-phone, what could possibly go wrong ?

After the death of Sejanus, who was sacrificed for the donative (imperial gift) promised by Tiberius, the Guards began to play an increasingly ambitious and bloody game in the Empire. For the right price, or at will, they assassinated emperors, bullied their own prefects, or turned on the people of Rome. In 41, Caligula was killed by conspirators from the senatorial class and from the Guard, along with his wife and daughter. The Praetorians placed his uncle Claudius on the throne, daring the Senate to oppose their decision. In 69, the Year of the Four Emperors, after the emperor Galba failed to provide a donative for the Praetorians, they transferred their allegiance to Otho and assassinated the emperor. Otho acquiesced in the Praetorians’ demands and granted them the right to appoint their own prefects, ensuring their loyalty. After defeating Otho, Vitellius disbanded the Guard and established a new Guard sixteen cohorts strong. Vespasian relied in the war against Vitellius upon the disgruntled cohorts the emperor had dismissed, and reduced the number of cohorts back to nine upon becoming emperor himself. As a further safeguard, he appointed his son, Titus, as Praetorian prefect.[6]

Praetorian Guard
I also have gut feeling that Nature is about to really start voting. On a scale none of us ever dreamed of. Of course it could be knocked off the new's by the 20th annv. of the death Dianna.
Which got 2 mins.on CBS yesterday morning with William going to France, the death toll in Peru got 20 secs.
Quoting 381. RobertWC:

378. barbamz
When I got to the Ore. coast there were these large signs in red. ....................
"Beware of Sneaker Waves"

Yeah, and I'm afraid like hell of those sudden waves. Even when I relax at some beach I use to cast a glimpse of suspicion at the horizon at times, huh.
384. beell
Quoting 368. Grothar:

I signed up on Disqus. And I find it "disqus"ting. I was so confused I found myself on an anti-science blog and it almost made sense. Hopefully it will work out, but for now, I will be taking a hiatus. Don't worry, you won't have Grothar to kick around anymore. :) Hope to see you all soon.


You will be here for blob season. And so will many others.
:)
I will never respect ignorance. If you find this "political:" . Get ready for fight , hammer and tongs.

Ignorance lost it's seat at the table. Over 500 years ago.

I can not believe I have to say this.
Looking El nino like.
Quoting 383. barbamz:


Yeah, and I'm afraid like hell of those sudden waves. Even when I relax at some beach I use to cast a glimpse of suspicion at the horizon at times, huh.


Oregon coast is not what you have seen . Eat eats fools for breakfast . Hence the signs.
Quoting 385. RobertWC:

I will never respect ignorance. If you find this "political:" . Get ready for fight , hammer and tongs.

Ignorance lost it's seat at the table. Over 500 years ago.

I can not believe I have to say this.



One thing about ignorance... a little sure does go a long way, especially when it is concentrated in groups.
Quoting 383. barbamz:


Yeah, and I'm afraid like hell of those sudden waves. Even when I relax at some beach I use to cast a glimpse of suspicion at the horizon at times, huh.


The Baltic is not the North Pacific.
The historic city of Trujillo (founded in 1534, second largest city in Peru) got flooded at 1 p.m. today for the sixth time in just a week by another flashflood. According to an early report there is no loss of life this time but more damage done to the historic buildings in the center.


Video of the sixth flood a bit earlier today.


Pic of the 6th "huaico" in Trujillo. Source Twitter.

Video of the flash flood in Trujillo on March, 18: LINK
Video of the formation of one of the earlier floods in the gauge of Trujillo: LINK

Overall, deathtoll in Peru is now at 75.

Calls made to move 2019 Pan American Games as flooding rocks Peru
by Dan Palmer Sunday, 19 March 2017
A campaign to cancel the 2019 Pan American Games in Lima is gathering momentum due to the floods which are decimating Peru. According to Peru Reports, the capital city's Mayor Luis Castaneda has become the latest to oppose the Games amid the ongoing crisis.
At least 72 people have died following torrential rain and mudslides in the South American nation, with the floods said to have affected at least half of the country. Lima has been without water since Monday (March 13) with the armed forces brought in to help restore order. More than 800 towns and cities have been declared as a state of emergency due to a shortage of food and water, with more than 60,000 homes destroyed in 24 out of Peru's 25 states.
It has led to increased calls for the money allocated for the Games to be redirected towards the relief effort. The Popular Force political party, which controls Peru's Congress, have said they will issue a petition on the issue within a fortnight. "The Executive must prioritise spending to help the victims," said the Mayor of Lima's San Isidro district, Manuel Velarde, on Facebook. ...
And after Trump, we are all to yield to his will. The day after Obama the wing nuts meet to stop everything.
Good luck with that.
Quoting 375. Xandra:

From Mental Floss

10 Facts About Being a Climate Scientist—From Climate Scientists

[...]

10. THEY THINK ABOUT TIME DIFFERENTLY.



Teaching university students about climate, White says he’s reminded on a daily basis of the fact that he thinks about time differently than most. “When I talk with my students about timeframes of interest, theirs may be Thursday night. But I have multiple ones because of what I do. I’m trained to think in tens of thousands of years. And I think quite a bit about the next 50, 100, 200 years.”

White says he and his international colleagues spend time on research expeditions talking about their children and grandchildren, pondering how the world can get beyond short-term thinking in order to be better prepared for the enormous global changes that will affect future generations.

“Human beings are capable of altering the planet long before we’re capable of understanding the ramifications of that," he says. "We say we love our kids, but do we show it? We will never deal with climate change until we learn to value our children and grandchildren at the 50-year timescale.”

Click here to read full article.


Thanks, that was interesting~ It lends to the conveying of what a climatologist's 'worldview' might 'look like' ... just a general outline of course, since each seems to be very much his or her own individual, with their own personal sparkle'n'shines, but still it is like a window into a specialized world.

Anyone that wants to see how disqus tend to example out, have a look at the remarks or comments section at the bottom. The qualities of the various dialogs varies immensely. But there is a big difference in comment structure, and it has a very tangible effect on the experience of dialog there. There, where you comment on something someone else has said, it creates a new thread, which is not immediately visible from the present thread, and so falls out of mainstream notice; it takes an extra click or two to find that thread and then you become distracted from the main thread that you were on.

Here, all the comments are distributed through out the group (self selectively so back when we had 'ignore') and so there is something closer to the smooth complex flow of a river rather than, as at disqus, the sense of an indefinitely continuing of the flaring and the burning out of cheap cascade fireworks.

But go ahead and have a look~
Quoting 387. RobertWC:

Oregon coast is not what you have seen . Eat eats fools for breakfast . Hence the signs.

Although I've not been in Oregon yet, I've been in Washington state some decades (ummh) ago :P
Ah yes, and at the Pacific coast of Ecuador as well. Nearly drowned in a storm over there, no joke.
- Good night with this. Tomorrow is a Monday, unfortunately ;-)
390. barbamz

Pleas note not one deiner will ever explain this. Or address this . They never touch this. They never have a word to explain this They float like a cheap coat.
goodbye
Quote from post #328

" people who are against antifa movements do realize you're literally aligning yourself with fascists"

Yep. Nothing says that you oppose fascism like brutally beating up those who dont agree with you.

Link

Letter from Carl Sagan to Chuck Berry

Quoting 344. Grothar:

If the claims are true that one must be a member of a social website page, I will not be able to blog on here anymore. Due to my job position, I am not able to join a social network. It would be a shame if this is true. After all, if I can't post pictures of me, how will you people ever know how good I look. I have met some wonderful bloggers on here and have had more laughs. I have learned so much and have always been amazed with the knowledge and expertise expressed by so many bloggers.

I will miss the literate and informative info from Barbamz who always gives a world perspective of weather, Baltimore Brian's plethora of long forgotten tidbits of our and other civilizations. The sweetness of justmehouston, the subtle wit of pottery, the mind blowing information of Xyrus, the intersting post of Patrap, and even the ascerbic wit of pensacoladoug.

Having taught at different levels, I always get a chuckle when our younger bloggers at 13 can eloquently refute a much older blogger with a quick one liner, like TA and Astro. Washi may rant sometimes, but I still love her. I never heard a bad word from SunnyDays. The banter with GeoffWPB always puts a smile on my face. I wish I could name everyone, but that would be impossible.

And just know that two hundred years from now, I'll still think of all of you fondly.


Well that was nice of you. I didn't think I had made that much of an impression :3
Quoting 400. Wacahootaman:

Quote from post #328

" people who are against antifa movements do realize you're literally aligning yourself with fascists"

Yep. Nothing says that you oppose fascism like brutally beating up those who dont agree with you.

Link




you gotta start with a good source at least. anything related to alex jones i refuse to watch/read, for the sake of my own mental health.
As spring break ends, Astrometeor and wxgeek723 get back to the grind. Which one of them is in the video? ;)

Quoting 383. barbamz:


Yeah, and I'm afraid like hell of those sudden waves. Even when I relax at some beach I use to cast a glimpse of suspicion at the horizon at times, huh.


Are sneaker waves a common hazard on the German coast?
Quoting 405. wxgeek723:



Are sneaker waves a common hazard on the German coast?
rogues
Quoting 344. Grothar:

If the claims are true that one must be a member of a social website page, I will not be able to blog on here anymore. Due to my job position, I am not able to join a social network. It would be a shame if this is true. After all, if I can't post pictures of me, how will you people ever know how good I look. I have met some wonderful bloggers on here and have had more laughs. I have learned so much and have always been amazed with the knowledge and expertise expressed by so many bloggers.

I will miss the literate and informative info from Barbamz who always gives a world perspective of weather, Baltimore Brian's plethora of long forgotten tidbits of our and other civilizations. The sweetness of justmehouston, the subtle wit of pottery, the mind blowing information of Xyrus, the intersting post of Patrap, and even the ascerbic wit of pensacoladoug.

Having taught at different levels, I always get a chuckle when our younger bloggers at 13 can eloquently refute a much older blogger with a quick one liner, like TA and Astro. Washi may rant sometimes, but I still love her. I never heard a bad word from SunnyDays. The banter with GeoffWPB always puts a smile on my face. I wish I could name everyone, but that would be impossible.

And just know that two hundred years from now, I'll still think of all of you fondly.
Thanks Grothar! That is really sweet.
Quoting 404. BaltimoreBrian:

As spring break ends, Astrometeor and wxgeek723 get back to the grind. Which one of them is in the video? ;)




Definitely Cody. :)
Quoting 344. Grothar:

If the claims are true that one must be a member of a social website page, I will not be able to blog on here anymore. Due to my job position, I am not able to join a social network. It would be a shame if this is true. After all, if I can't post pictures of me, how will you people ever know how good I look. I have met some wonderful bloggers on here and have had more laughs. I have learned so much and have always been amazed with the knowledge and expertise expressed by so many bloggers.

I will miss the literate and informative info from Barbamz who always gives a world perspective of weather, Baltimore Brian's plethora of long forgotten tidbits of our and other civilizations. The sweetness of justmehouston, the subtle wit of pottery, the mind blowing information of Xyrus, the intersting post of Patrap, and even the ascerbic wit of pensacoladoug.

Having taught at different levels, I always get a chuckle when our younger bloggers at 13 can eloquently refute a much older blogger with a quick one liner, like TA and Astro. Washi may rant sometimes, but I still love her. I never heard a bad word from SunnyDays. The banter with GeoffWPB always puts a smile on my face. I wish I could name everyone, but that would be impossible.

And just know that two hundred years from now, I'll still think of all of you fondly.


13??? I'll have you know I am 20. Smh. Thanks Gro. :) I feel honored to be mentioned, although a little bummed that I'm next to Codfish. ;) You're possibly the most revered blogger on here, and I am really grateful that I have come to know your wisdom and friendship over the last 5 years.

Surprised you didn't call us twits, old man. :D
I know that, more than once, people have posted here that change is to be greeted patiently and in good faith, but where is the upside in changes which mean Grothar won't be able to post, and BaltimoreBrian won't blog?
I miss the old wunderground.
I just don't get what's happening.

Might Rain here Wednesday..
?

Quoting 399. KEEPEROFTHEGATE:

goodbye
Tropical Cyclone Warning Center Perth
Tropical Cyclone Outlook
2:13 PM WST March 20 2017
===========================

System #1
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A weak tropical low lies near 12.3S 119.4E (about 700 km north northwest of Broome). It is forecast to move slowly west and then south towards the Pilbara coast. While there is some uncertainty in the forecast track, there is a chance the system reaches the central or western Pilbara coast later Thursday or Friday. There is also a chance the system moves slower and tracks to the west before reaching the coast.

Tropical Cyclone Formation Potential
===========================
Tuesday: LOW
Wednesday: MODERATE
Thursday: HIGH

System #2
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The monsoon trough lies near the Cocos Islands and Christmas Island. A tropical low may form in the trough near Cocos Islands over the next couple days and then remain in the vicinity of Cocos Islands until later Saturday when it starts moving away to the southwest. The system is expected to strengthen over the next few days, with the risk of it developing into a tropical cyclone increasing towards the end of the week.

Tropical Cyclone Formation Potential
===========================
Tuesday: VERY LOW
Wednesday: LOW
Thursday: LOW
Quoting 344. Grothar:

If the claims are true that one must be a member of a social website page, I will not be able to blog on here anymore. Due to my job position, I am not able to join a social network. It would be a shame if this is true. After all, if I can't post pictures of me, how will you people ever know how good I look. I have met some wonderful bloggers on here and have had more laughs. I have learned so much and have always been amazed with the knowledge and expertise expressed by so many bloggers.

I will miss the literate and informative info from Barbamz who always gives a world perspective of weather, Baltimore Brian's plethora of long forgotten tidbits of our and other civilizations. The sweetness of justmehouston, the subtle wit of pottery, the mind blowing information of Xyrus, the intersting post of Patrap, and even the ascerbic wit of pensacoladoug.

Having taught at different levels, I always get a chuckle when our younger bloggers at 13 can eloquently refute a much older blogger with a quick one liner, like TA and Astro. Washi may rant sometimes, but I still love her. I never heard a bad word from SunnyDays. The banter with GeoffWPB always puts a smile on my face. I wish I could name everyone, but that would be impossible.

And just know that two hundred yearsrom now, I'll still think of all of you fondly.


OMgosh Gro ...I think that you are the sweetie of the blog ...you will find a way to sign up without social media account ...we cant be with out you here ...it just wouldnt be the same. And yes, you look damn good
Quoting 405. wxgeek723:
Are sneaker waves a common hazard on the German coast?

Good morning, and I don't think so. Although big waves can happen in the North Sea and even in the Baltic Sea (link). Moreover in the "bathtube" of the Baltic Sea seiches do occur (link; of course, not the same as a sneaker wave). Besides that it's funny that everyone assumes that I speak of German beaches when I mentioned relaxing "at some beach", lol.
Horrible weather related accident in Africa:
Twenty teenagers die in Ghana waterfall accident
High school students killed by falling trees while swimming at popular tourist spot during a storm, according to officials
Guardian, Agence France-Presse in Accra, Monday 20 March 2017 09.12 GMT
Twenty students in Ghana have died in a freak accident after trees fell while they were swimming at a popular tourist beauty spot, emergency officials said.
Ghana national fire service spokesman Prince Billy Anaglate said the 'unusual incident' happened on Sunday afternoon, when a group of high school students were swimming at the Kintampo waterfalls, the highest waterfall in the country, in the Brong-Ahafo region.
Anaglate said that a storm caused trees to topple and fall on the teenagers while they were in the water. ...



Source: NPP foot soldiers sacked Kintampo waterfall guides - Chief
Monday 20th March , 2017 11:25 am


Airmass pic from yesterday afternoon when the deadly event in Ghana occurred, showing a lot of storms popping up. Looks like the wave train of Western Africa starts its first attempts to resume its activity this year.
Quoting 372. BaltimoreBrian:

Tasmanian blue glow may hide a deadly secret

Thanks for the link, Brian. And *sigh*, even the most beautiful natural events are losing their 'innoncence' nowadays.

Peru: Their national weather service forecast "intensifying precipitation" for most parts of the country (Spanish report) this week. Very bad!!


Click to enlarge. Accumulated precipitation until March 27th according to GFS. Source.


Current wind anomalies with the westerlies towards the northern Pacific coast of South America to the right.
426. thunk
The fourth potential cyclone in the Australian region looks interesting.

At least the somewhat hot March there should be subsiding soon, too.
new system. no more early bird post to wake everyone up? wow you cant beat the weather we've had around here in e cen florida this winter and now spring. just beautiful
I feel bad for these people in Peru and soon to be Chile as Nino 1&2 is now heading up toward 3C. If this Nino materializes like it looks like it will this is setting up to be a very large El-Nino type signature across the Pacific.

15MAR2017 29.1 2.6 27.9 0.8 27.5 0.3 28.2 0.0

There's no cold tongue along South America this year and look at the Indian Ocean with all the cool anomalies showing up. Its just a matter of time before this oncoming El-Nino overwhelms the atmosphere across the US as its already having massive effects across South America.

Good Morning Folks and Happy First Day of Spring. Here is the Conus forecast for today and current look: note the large nasty cell of T-storms just under Lake Michigan headed into Indiana this morning.





Quoting 418. Gearsts:

I just don't get what's happening.




What you are seeing is Westerly Wind anomalies near South America. It appears this El-Nino is going to be very different from what we have experienced over the last few decades. This El-Nino is building in from the East not the West like many have in the past. So what is happening the warm Eastern pacific anomalies are moving west across the Pacific with the Easterly Trades near the Dateline. Very fascinating to watch!
In terms of Florida and Spring, and in spite of the problem with early flower and plant blooms in Jan and Feb, we drove down to South Florida and back up to North Florida over the weekend up I-75 and across North Florida on I-10. Those new leaves across North Florida in all of the oak trees just look stunning in the early am and late afternoon with the bright new leaf minty greens all along the tree lines. Cannot beat this very nice stretch of weather; it was cool in the mornings in Ft. Lauderdale and not too hot during the day..........That will all end soon as we barrel into Summer type highs over the next few weeks..............We actually have a high of 87 forecast in North Florida on Wed.
Many of the latest runs of the CFSv2 are very bullish now on Strong El-Nino and nearly all of them now show El-Nino in place in April. This is a big change from a couple of weeks ago.

And an interesting article from Science Mag over the weekend as to new research on lake depth with some implications related to methane release:

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/03/worl d-s-lakes-are-much-shallower-thought-mathematical- analysis-suggests

NEW ORLEANS, LOUISIANA The world's lakes are only about two-thirds as deep, on average, as previously thought, researchers reported here this week at a meeting of the American Physical Society. If correct, the finding could help climate scientists more accurately model global climate change, as shallower lakes generate more heat-trapping methane gas.

Satellites show roughly 100 million lakes with areas greater than a hectare dotting Earth. All together, they cover more than 30 billion hectares, roughly 2% of planet's land surface.

If Earth's lakes are, on average, significantly shallower than previously thought, that observation could have consequences for understanding climate change, Cael says. Microbes that don't require oxygen live at the bottom of lakes and produce methane. If lakes are shallower, more of that heat-trapping gas can bubble up to the surface and into the atmosphere. Current methane budgets suggest lakes produce about as much methane as the oceans and roughly half as much methane as the world's landfills, but that number may have to be revised higher, Cael says.


And finally a couple of blurbs from Science Mag on some of the impacts of proposed funding cuts in the sciences; cutting at the top, in terms of Government science agencies, also impacts University research as well:

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/03/trum p-s-nih-budget-may-include-reducing-overhead-payme nts-universities

The Trump administration may be planning to help pay for a massive 18% cut to the National Institutes of Health (NIH) by slashing payments to universities and research institutes for overhead costs, ScienceInsider has learned.

The proposed budget released by the White House yesterday, for the 2018 fiscal year that begins 1 October, contains a brief paragraph describing a $5.8 billion cut to NIH’s current $31.7 billion budget, as well as plans to reorganize the agency. The paragraph ends with this sentence: “The Budget also reduces administrative costs and rebalances Federal contributions to research funding.”“The costs are real and necessary for the conduct of research. It has to be paid for somewhere. And this historical bargain between the federal government and performers of research has been that the government pays part of the infrastructure costs,” says Tony DeCrappeo, president of the Council on Governmental Relations, a Washington, D.C.–based association of research universities and institutes that helps its members navigate federal regulations. Foundations, he adds, can get by charging a lower rate because they allow researchers to charge certain costs to their grant—such as leasing space—that can’t be charged to their NIH grant. And nonfederal grants may involve fewer regulations, lowering regulatory costs.

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/03/trum p-budget-would-shutter-goresat-delivering-blow-exo planet-research


Though astronomers have indirectly detected thousands of exoplanets, they are just starting to get fuzzy pictures of the orbs themselves. But what can they learn from just a few pixels of light? It turns out that the Deep Space Climate Observatory (DSCOVR), a space-weather satellite with a controversial past, is answering those questions right now, says Stephen Kane, an exoplanet scientist at San Francisco State University in California. "We can get a significant advance preview of what those data will look like, because we now have a satellite that is staring directly at Earth."

Those observations are in jeopardy, however, with news today that the proposed budget of U.S. President Donald Trump seeks to kill Earth-facing instruments on DSCOVR years before the mission ends. It would be a setback for exoplanet research, Kane says. "We're enormously disappointed to hear this news."

Perched between the gravitational pull of the sun and Earth, DSCOVR, which was launched in 2015, primarily serves as a space-weather buoy, giving advance notice of inbound solar storms. But it also has two instruments that peer back at Earth and capture the entire planet with the aim of detecting long-term trends in the planet's balance of incoming and outgoing energy, along with long-term shifts in its clouds, aerosols, and ozone.


Over 70,000 people in Peru have now lost their homes due to the Historic Flooding ongoing in that Country. Forecast looks even worse going forward as more heavy rains are forecast across this region.


Al Jazeera English‏Verified account @AJEnglish

"We felt as if it was an earthquake."

The floods currently devastating Peru.

Link
This is very important to the weather across Florida maybe not yet but as we move later into April and into May we will likely see a moisture tap begin to move up across the Western Caribbean and across the Eastern Gulf and Florida. We need to watch this over the coming weeks in Florida as drought could turn to flood here too.

Very interested to see how early May pans out as what is going on near Peru could be what causes Tropical Mischief across the E-Pac and Western Caribbean. Convection could very likely be enhanced more than usual due to the warm E-Pac/Western Caribbean sea surface anomalies.



Quoting 182. RobertWC:

Magerman told the Wall Street Journal that Mercer’s political opinions “show contempt for the social safety net that he doesn’t need, but many Americans do.” He also said that Mercer wants the U.S. government to be “shrunk down to the size of a pinhead.” Several former colleagues of Mercer’s said that his views are akin to Objectivism, the philosophy of Ayn Rand. Magerman told me, “Bob believes that human beings have no inherent value other than how much money they make. A cat has value, he’s said, because it provides pleasure to humans. But if someone is on welfare they have negative value. If he earns a thousand times more than a schoolteacher, then he’s a thousand times more valuable.” Magerman added, “He thinks society is upside down—that government helps the weak people get strong, and makes the strong people weak by taking their money away, through taxes.” He said that this mind-set was typical of “instant billionaires” in finance, who “have no stake in society,” unlike the industrialists of the past, who “built real things.”

Link

You know, Mercer should be frced to drive across a crumbling bridge many many times.
Quoting 428. StormTrackerScott:

I feel bad for these people in Peru and soon to be Chile as Nino 1&2 is now heading up toward 3C. If this Nino materializes like it looks like it will this is setting up to be a very large El-Nino type signature across the Pacific.

15MAR2017 29.1 2.6 27.9 0.8 27.5 0.3 28.2 0.0

There's no cold tongue along South America this year and look at the Indian Ocean with all the cool anomalies showing up. Its just a matter of time before this oncoming El-Nino overwhelms the atmosphere across the US as its already having massive effects across South America.




This does not look like El Nino. It looks new and very different. CURRENT consequences are comparable to a mature El Nino but evolution..?? all bets are off where we go from here. Very interesting.

Notice how the westerly wind anomalies have been spreading west over the last 2 weeks. Unheard of to see this as you would expect this to happen from west to east not east to west. Aussies now have Nino 3.4 nearing 0.8C in April. No one expected this El-Nino to develop like this from the East not even me.



Quoting 182. RobertWC:

Magerman told the Wall Street Journal that Mercer%u2019s political opinions %u201Cshow contempt for the social safety net that he doesn%u2019t need, but many Americans do.%u201D He also said that Mercer wants the U.S. government to be %u201Cshrunk down to the size of a pinhead.%u201D Several former colleagues of Mercer%u2019s said that his views are akin to Objectivism, the philosophy of Ayn Rand. Magerman told me, %u201CBob believes that human beings have no inherent value other than how much money they make. A cat has value, he%u2019s said, because it provides pleasure to humans. But if someone is on welfare they have negative value. If he earns a thousand times more than a schoolteacher, then he%u2019s a thousand times more valuable.%u201D Magerman added, %u201CHe thinks society is upside down%u2014that government helps the weak people get strong, and makes the strong people weak by taking their money away, through taxes.%u201D He said that this mind-set was typical of %u201Cinstant billionaires%u201D in finance, who %u201Chave no stake in society,%u201D unlike the industrialists of the past, who %u201Cbuilt real things.%u201D

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You can shoot down any Christian Objectivist by pointing out that objectivisim elevates Man to the center of the universe.. the most important thing in it and this position is utterly and completely in opposition to Christian (and Jewish and Muslim) doctrine. Objectivisim is nhilistic heresy, once this is understood, unless the objectivist is prepared to completely discard his faith.
Quoting 431. weathermanwannabe:

In terms of Florida and Spring, and in spite of the problem with early flower and plant blooms in Jan and Feb, we drove down to South Florida and back up to North Florida over the weekend up I-75 and across North Florida on I-10. Those new leaves across North Florida in all of the oak trees just look stunning in the early am and late afternoon with the bright new leaf minty greens all along the tree lines. Cannot beat this very nice stretch of weather; it was cool in the mornings in Ft. Lauderdale and not too hot during the day..........That will all end soon as we barrel into Summer type highs over the next few weeks..............We actually have a high of 87 forecast in North Florida on Wed.


The new leaves on bradford pears and plums in my area are brown and dead and the trees themselves look like walls of gauzy brown. Never ever seen this before in the Mid Atlantic.

Quoting 437. Pipejazz:


You know, Mercer should be frced to drive across a crumbling bridge many many times.


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I signed up on Disqus. And I find it "disqus"ting. I was so confused I found myself on an anti-science blog and it almost made sense. Hopefully it will work out, but for now, I will be taking a hiatus. Don't worry, you won't have Grothar to kick around anymore. :) Hope to see you all soon.


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Quoting 441. georgevandenberghe:



The new leaves on bradford pears and plums in my area are brown and dead and the trees themselves look like walls of gauzy brown. Never ever seen this before in the Mid Atlantic.




The Winter freeze issue after the warmth in January and February and the recent cold blasts?
"I have been authorized by the Department of Justice to confirm that the FBI, as part of our counterintelligence mission, is investigating the Russian government's efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election, Comey told the House Intelligence Committee."That includes investigating the nature of any links between individuals associated with the Trump campaign and the Russian government, and whether there was any coordination between the campaign and Russia's efforts."

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Italy no 1 in health rankings. U.S. 34th. Russia not in top 50.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-03-2 0/italy-s-struggling-economy-has-world-s-healthies t-people

Italy%u2019s Struggling Economy Has World%u2019s Healthiest People
by Wei Lu and Vincent Del Giudice
March 20, 2017, 12:01 AM EDT
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When it comes to living a long life, Italy is the place to be.

The high-heeled boot surrounded by five seas is ranked the healthiest country on Earth in the Bloomberg Global Health Index of 163 countries. A baby born in Italy can expect to live to be an octogenarian. But 2,800 miles south in Sierra Leone, the average newborn will die by 52.

While Italy is among the most developed countries, growth has stagnated for decades, almost 40 percent of its youngsters are out of jobs and it%u2019s saddled with one of the world%u2019s highest debt loads relative to the size of its economy. Yet Italians are in way better shape than Americans, Canadians and Brits, who all suffer from higher blood pressure and cholesterol and poorer mental health.
Seems like the Mediterranean diet in moderation, and a regular glass of wine, might be good for you...................

Quoting 447. weathermanwannabe:



The Winter freeze issue after the warmth in January and February and the recent cold blasts?


Yes
Quoting 450. weathermanwannabe:

Seems like the Mediterranean diet in moderation, and a regular glass of wine, might be good for you...................






I drink more than I used to lately...., Dr Peppa dat iz.

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Thanks for posting the SSTs Keep; here are the relevant SST's on the Equatorial Pacific Side. Too early to know, with the Spring El Nino barrier, how things will shake out by the peak of the Atlantic Hurricane season in terms of the inverse relationship between both basins but the current warming trend in the Pacific, from West to East, is consistent with a potential Modoki El Nino this year; time will tell once we get a better picture (past the Spring barrier) in May and June:



And those current cooler waters in the Central Atlantic also have some correlation to the current SAL coverage across that Basin as well but things are warming up relatively quickly along that straight line from the Cape Verde Islands to the Eastern Caribbean:




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"We say we love our kids, but do we show it? We will never deal with climate change until we learn to value our children and grandchildren at the 50-year timescale.” Climate scientist Dr. White.
It is with a heavy Heart that we at Portlight are sad to report the passing of a true New Orleans Legend and Entertainer.
Midge Jones passed away and we were informed just now by His good friend Claire Hartley Grogan. I met and shared a few days with Him after this entry from 2013. I will always think of the people He moved and smiled with. A life well lived and a True American Gentleman.

Fair Winds Midge.

You will be fondly remembered by thousands Sir.

The Power of Mobility
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