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Echoes of a 1920s Calamity in Deadly Midwest Tornado Outbreak

By: Bob Henson and Jeff Masters 6:48 PM GMT on March 01, 2017

Several long-lived supercell thunderstorms cranked out destructive tornado families across the Midwest from late Tuesday into Wednesday morning. At least 3 deaths had been reported, according to a weather.com summary. Power was knocked out for tens of thousands of people as the wind-packing storms barreled east toward the Appalachians.

The NOAA/NWS Storm Prediction Center received 24 preliminary tornado reports for the period from 6:00 am CST Tuesday to 6:00 am Wednesday, with 2 additional reports as of late Wednesday morning. It’s possible that the final tally of tornadoes will come down from these numbers. Most of the reports were generated by just two sequences of supercell thunderstorms that spun out twisters for hours on end. One of these storm complexes tracked from far eastern Iowa into northern Illinois, while the other followed a track from far southeast Missouri through southern Illinois into southwest Indiana--a path eerily reminiscent of the nation’s deadliest tornado on record: the Tri-State Tornado of March 18, 1925 (see below).


Figure 1. Pat Harber of Perryville, Missouri, looks through the wreckage of her home after it was destroyed by a tornado on February 28, 2017. At least one person was killed when the tornado crossed interstate 55. (Jon Durr/Getty Images) 


Figure 2. This large tornado was photographed at 5:36 pm CST Tuesday, Feb. 28, 2017, by associate meteorology professor Walker Ashley (Northern Illinois University) as it passed just northwest of Washburn, IL. Image credit: (c) Walker Ashley.

The first and more northerly of the day’s two major tornado sequences unfolded with a short line of fast-moving supercell storms from around 4:00 to 6:00 pm CST Tuesday. A large, wedge-shaped tornado struck near Naplate and Ottawa, IL, around 4:45 pm, causing one death and producing extensive damage. As this circulation weakened, it was succeeded by one in a storm just to the south that generated frequent tornado reports from around Washburn toward Long Point (see Figure 1 above and embedded tweet at bottom). Continuing east as a non-tornadic complex, the storms produced hail as large as golf balls across the south part of the Chicago area. Tuesday’s storms across northern Illinois were being surveyed on Wednesday by NWS staff from Chicago and Lincoln, IL; results will be posted on this NWS/Chicago website.


Figure 3. A debris signature (often called a “debris ball”) is evident on this radar reflectivity image from the NWS Doppler radar located near Owensville, IN. The image was taken at 10:04 pm CST Tuesday, Feb. 28, 2017. Image credit: NWS/Paducah, KY.

The other major tornado producer was a more classic, isolated supercell storm that maintained its identity for more than 100 miles across parts of Missouri, Illinois, and Indiana, spitting out tornadoes along much of its path. The radar signature of the storm was especially strong over far southeastern Illinois, with a clear debris ball evident (see Figure 3 above). CNN reported that one man was killed and his wife seriously injured near Crossville, IL. The intense circulation passed extremely close to the NEXRAD radar stationed at Owensville, IN, near the NWS office serving the Evansville, IN, area (see Figure 4).


Figure 4. Stu Ostro (The Weather Channel) tweeted this uniquely amazing radar image late Thursday night: “Effect of beam height on 3-D radar presentation as the #tornado-producing thunderstorm passed right over the Evansville radar site.” The tornadic circulation lies very close to the radar, with the core of the storm passing just to the northwest (into the page). Image credit: Stu Ostro, @StuOstro.


Figure 5. Most of Tuesday’s tornadoes (red dots) occurred within the areas highlighted by the NOAA/NWS Storm Prediction Center at 10:30 am CST Tuesday with the top tornado probabilities. The hatched lines indicate an especially high risk of significant tornadoes (EF2 or stronger). Image credit: NOAA/NWS/SPC.

Another Tri-State event, but this time without the horrific death toll
NOAA’s Storm Prediction Center did a superb job with its Tuesday outlook. On Tuesday morning, it successfully identified the small corridor where the southern tornado supercell tracked as being the area with the highest probabilities of significant tornadoes. Throughout the Midwest, tornado watches were issued well ahead of the day’s worst activity, and the fact that tornadoes were concentrated within long-lived storms allowed for plenty of lead time on many NWS tornado warnings.

The impressively small death and injury toll from Tuesday stands in stark contrast to what occurred with what may be the most analogous storm to the southern supercell: the Tri-State tornado of March 18, 1925. This event was identified as a tornado family in more recent research led by former SPC forecaster Bob Johns, with the longest continuous path length at 174 miles and frequent damage recorded over a stretch of 219 miles. “Witnesses saw a wedge tornado along most of the damage path and a large multivortex tornado in some areas,” noted Johns and colleagues in a 2013 open-access paper in the E-Journal of Severe Storms Meteorology. The human tragedies left by this single-thunderstorm event remain unparalleled in U.S. history, with an official death toll of 695 people.

As shown below, the path of Tuesday’s supercell was remarkably similar to that of the Tri-State supercell as implied by damage records from 1925. (One can only imagine how that storm might have looked on NEXRAD radar!) Moreover, the broad, strong upper-level trough in place on Tuesday also closely resembled the one believed to have been in place during the Tri-State Tornado, as noted by Embry-Riddle associate professor Shawn Milrad, @shawnmilrad. (Because upper-air observations were not made in the 1920s, such reanalysis maps are generated by inferring the upper-level conditions that would correspond to surface observations available from the period.) Of course, there are big differences between the 1925 and 2017 events: the Tri-State tornado was rated F5, whereas it appears very unlikely that any of the 2017 tornadoes will be placed in the F5 range.


Figure 6. Comparison of damage locations along the Tri-State tornado track from March 18, 1925, and selected preliminary tornado reports from Feb. 28, 2017. The first set of tornado reports, from far southeast MO into southwest IL, are a few miles north of the Tri-State track. After this supercell merged with another storm, the next batch of tornado reports occurred very close to the Tri-State track, from far southeast IL into far southeast IN. Original image from Johns et al., "The 1925 Tri-State Tornado Damage Path and Associated Storm System," E-Journal of Severe Storm Meteorology (2013).

Another exceptionally rare February tornado outbreak
February tornadoes are rare in Illinois, and unheard of as far north in Illinois as where the Ottawa tornado touched down. According to the Tornado History Project, Illinois experienced February tornadoes an average of once every six years between 1950 - 2007. However, their incidence of February tornadoes has increased dramatically over the past decade, with February tornadoes hitting once every other year, on average. Prior to Tuesday’s Ottawa tornado, there were only two other deadly February tornadoes in Illinois since records began in 1950, both of them well south of the Ottawa event: an F4 twister that hit Saline and Gallatin Counties on February 10, 1959, killing eight, and an F4 twister that hit just southeast of St. Louis on February 24, 1956, killing six. As of 10 am EST Wednesday, NOAA’s Storm Prediction Center put Tuesday’s tornado tally in Illinois at seventeen, which would make it the state’s largest February tornado outbreak on record. Their previous largest February tornado outbreak came on February 20, 2014, when eleven twisters touched down, including two EF2s.

According to the Tornado History Project, Missouri experienced February tornadoes an average of once every four years between 1950 - 2007, and once every two years between 2008 - 2017. The deadliest February tornado in Missouri hit St. Louis on February 10, 1959, killing 21 people. Including Tuesday’s Perryville tornado, there have now been six deadly February tornadoes in Missouri since 1950.

Tuesday’s outbreak was the second exceptionally rare February tornado outbreak in the U.S. this year. On February 25, a total of four tornadoes hit Pennsylvania, Maryland, and Massachusetts. The EF1 that touched down in Massachusetts, damaging two houses, was their first February tornado on record--and at latitude 42.51°N, the most northerly February tornado recorded in the Northeastern U.S. since reliable records began in 1950.


Figure 7. Debris is seen from above Wednesday, March 1, 2017, where Tuesday's tornado destroyed homes in Perryville, Missouri. (Robert Cohen/St. Louis Post-Dispatch via AP) 

How did Tuesday’s tornadoes happen so far north?
One reason February tornadoes are practically nonexistent as far north as northern Illinois is that it’s very difficult to get a warm, moist air mass into the region during late winter without a very potent low-level storm system pulling the air northward from the Gulf of Mexico and a very strong upper-level trough passing through. Such a setup, though, can also lead to thunderstorms that are so widespread that they weaken the ability of more scattered rotating supercells to maintain themselves. In Tuesday’s case, however, the February “warm wave” of the last few days had already brought unstable air close to the region, so it only took a moderately strong surface feature (a 998-millibar low in northern Illinois) to get the unstable air into position beneath a powerful upper-level trough and jet stream. There was also just enough of a “cap” above the unstable air to keep a lid on thunderstorm development until daytime heating peaked and the tornado potential was maximized. “To me, today confirms that, as long as the ingredients come together, the calendar is not important--further evidence that big CAPE [a measure of instability] is not necessary on big days.” said NIU’s Walker Ashley. “It really is about that marriage of sufficient instability with solid [wind] shear, and just a peppering of convective initiation, to make for a big day.”

The severe weather threat continued into Wednesday ahead of the eastward-moving upper storm and associated cold front, with an enhanced risk of severe weather from northeast Mississippi all the way to southern New Jersey. Odds are especially high for damaging thunderstorm-related winds from the central Appalachians into the mid-Atlantic, perhaps including the Washington, D.C. area. Tornadoes should be less widespread and intense than on Tuesday, but a few are still possible, especially with any supercells that develop across northern Alabama and Georgia near the tail end of the cold front.

Bob Henson and Jeff Masters








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Reader Comments

I'm glad the death toll wasn't higher. Last night I thought it would be.
Everytime we get a new and improved WU by the powers to be all the changes SUCK .. YOU WON'T SEE WU IN ANOTHER 2 YEARS IT WILL BE CLOSED DOWN DUE TO LACK OF USE .. EVERYONE WILL BE LEAVING .. AND IT WILL BE SOONER THEN LATER !!!

Dr Master and others in selling this has made their pockets full but trashed all the people that actually made this site what it is .. Especially during Hurricane Season !!

I've been here since before August 2005 .. and have see the changes made degrade everything we have worked for ..

BYE !!!
Reposted from last blog

I never wrote a blog myself but I liked some of the blogs people kept like StormTrackerScott and LowerCal. It's a shame those blog will be gone and the other blogs members wrote. I think eliminating the member blogs is a mistake.
wab its ok I know your angry I am too
but its not ours we don't own it
never have never will
just like a bad storm
we will make it if we choose to do so

NOAA Alert Weather Radios should be subsidized like Smoke Alarms and Oil companies.

Jus sayin'



What are the chances of tornadoes in Northern Georgia/Atlanta Metro?
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Quoting 4. TheBigBanana:

Reposted from last blog

I never wrote a blog myself but I liked some of the blogs people kept like StormTrackerScott and LowerCal. It's a shame those blog will be gone and the other blogs members wrote. I think eliminating the member blogs is a mistake.



“Everyone must leave something behind when he dies, my grandfather said. A child or a book or a painting or a house or a wall built or a pair of shoes made. Or a garden planted. Something your hand touched some way so your soul has somewhere to go when you die, and when people look at that tree or that flower you planted, you're there.

It doesn't matter what you do, he said, so long as you change something from the way it was before you touched it into something that's like you after you take your hands away. The difference between the man who just cuts lawns and a real gardener is in the touching, he said. The lawn-cutter might just as well not have been there at all; the gardener will be there a lifetime.”

― Ray Bradbury, Fahrenheit 451

LinkA view of the Fires in Chile, from a different perspective:
http://earthfirstjournal.org/newswire/2017/02/23/ an-anarchist-look-at-the-forest-fires-in-south-cen tral-chile/
So no longer will members be able to create their own weather blog?....IF so..april 3rd..its Good Bye for me too
Well we tied the record high here in D.C today at 80 degrees and it should be fuel for out storms this afternoon.I'm upset about the removal of WU mail and members blogs.As someone said earlier next will be the removal of the comment section altogether and then that will be the day I depart from WU.
I understand the business decision to no longer support photos and blogs for the few hundred people who actively use WU but does not mean that I like it. However there are other sites that do the photo sharing and social media much better. A community has been built over the last 12 years or so and sadly I see that going away. I will still come by to read Doc's posts, especially during hurricane season. Will miss reading some of the other blogs.
Quoting 5. KEEPEROFTHEGATE:

wab its ok I know your angry I am too
but its not ours we don't own it
never have never will
just like a bad storm
we will make it if we choose to do so




Not mad Keep .. Just very disappointed for the members that made WU what it is .. not Masters or any of the others in management .. We made WU what it is and we will be the ones to leave and make it what it will be ..

Look at the handles in the blogs .. mostly all new .. all that were here when WU was good have left and the stragglers like me hoping it would change back to where it was are very few .. and now looking like we will leave too..

We'll leave it to people that have no idea how good the site once was and now what it has turned into ..
Quoting 4. TheBigBanana:

Reposted from last blog

I never wrote a blog myself but I liked some of the blogs people kept like StormTrackerScott and LowerCal. It's a shame those blog will be gone and the other blogs members wrote. I think eliminating the member blogs is a mistake.


Here are some examples of websites that use Drupal.
Link
Sad to see the tornado damage and loss of life. Hope those affected will be able to rebuild and their insurance cover the costs.

Today's tornado risk:

I am willing to stick around to see how it all goes it is what it is and what its meant to be
Powerful money interests buying up intellectual properties for net gain over public good and general opinion on what's good and what's bad. Not caring what the average person here would like to see. Big corporation over little guy. Seen this story somewhere before. Sad.
Hi, everyone. There is understandably a lot of interest in the changes announced today. Please see the FAQ linked at the top of this page for the complete details. Jeff Masters and I will be following your comments today and as we go forward.

The new Category 6 will include Jeff and me as well as most or all of WU's current featured bloggers, including Christopher Burt and Ricky Rood. We also plan to incorporate occasional guest posts from people across the weather/climate/water community. Although we may not be calling Cat 6 a blog as such, it will still feature the blog-style functionality you expect, including the ability to post comments, links, images, etc., within a more robust commenting system.

I hope all of you will continue to participate in Category 6 as commentors when we launch the new-and-improved interface. I've been tremendously impressed with your passion and dedication in my two years at WU (and as a regular lurker long beforehand). I hope to see as many of you as possible staying with Cat 6 and continuing to share your observations, impressions, prognostications, and insights as we enter the heart of severe weather and hurricane season coming up.

Bob
Bring forward from my last post from previous blog...
Partly cloudy and 79 with high humidity..
Well that took awhile..

"Speaking for those of us who are visually impaired to some degree, the radio was necessary and supported by WU in the past,,
I'm gonna put it out there..
Can't support us what we had before? Really??
IBM.??
You gonna weigh in??
What did they say??
No Benjamins..
Again your IBM..
Right??
All this for a super computer access port??
No thanks if you ask me..
It's a cop out..
That's one (not trying to be confrontational) of many reasons I don't buy in anymore..
Did I say weather here?
Partly cloudy and 79 with high humidity no 'nado..
Hope all stay safe..
Don't want to be off topic you know..
Well that took awhile..
Sorry about the response time..
And will take the forth coming ban/time out as before..
Been there, done that"
Will try the "new way"..
WU may loose members but I've got nothing to loose personally by trying I guess..
Just feel manipulated and we had a voice in the matter before the "sell"..

Quoting 19. DeepSeaRising:

Powerful money interests buying up intellectual properties for net gain over public good and general opinion on what's good and what's bad. Not caring what the average person here would like to see. Big corporation over little guy. Seen this story somewhere before. Sad.


#biglysadness
That's my take on it. And based on the loss of most of the great members who use to come here, it rings true for me. That said, I will stick around and hope this is an improvement from the last six months of downward spiral.
I'm glad Dr. Rood and Mr. Burt will still be here.
Well there is always WUTV then, eh?

Quoting 19. DeepSeaRising:

Powerful money interests buying up intellectual properties for net gain over public good and general opinion on what's good and what's bad. Not caring what the average person here would like to see. Big corporation over little guy. Seen this story somewhere before. Sad.


The days of overthrowing are coming my friend...just wait
Quoting 16. RitaandIke:



Here are some examples of websites that use Drupal.
Link
Thanks RitaandIke.
Quoting 27. RitaEvac:



The days of overthrowing are coming my friend...just wait


we shall rise, RISE I SAY!
I guess.....it's time to part ways folks.....

Bob you work for them and have to like it even whether you would like something else .. We don't have too !!!

I have the 2nd longest running blog here on WU .. a continuous blog since August 2005 .. Dr Master's is the only other continuous blog during this time .. I have seen all the changes and most of them have been good for management but not the customers/consumer (US) !!!

Most of us come to WU to comment in Blogs other then the main featured blogs .. eliminating said blogs will also eliminate the reason most come to the site ..

I don't se WU being viable in another 2 years
If where going to get rid of th wounder blogs and every thing else we work long and hard for them what this closed the hole site then
I'll probably send facebook contact information to those with whom I exchange comments, mostly on Skye's blog.
But I will also miss the STS blog and those others I occasionally browse.
Does anyone know the chances of a tornado hitting North Georgia?
Quoting 7. Famoguy1234:

What are the chances of tornadoes in Northern Georgia/Atlanta Metro?


Today's Torcon index

Quoting 36. TheBigBanana:



Today's Torcon index



Alright thanks.
We need too keep the wunder blogs or this closed down the hole blog site all together

. SAINTHURRIFAN
6:52 PM GMT on March 01, 2017




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Well said white wabit. I don't spend hardly anytime on here. It has become nothing but political bashing, and insults hurled at people who have different opinions.What I would like to know is do any of these people hold a job? They spend their whole lives looking for every crumb of info on AGW, or posting constant pictures or nonsense of songs and movies for crying out loud. They say their independants? but they constantly bash only one political party? One who has severe diabetes: but still holds a full time job, keeps up 30 acres of my elderly mothers plus mine.While also having to deal with my elderly mothers declining health. So in summary of this rant, this weather blog is just a hobby, not a real life necessity. For you who feel like you have achieved some kind of rock star status by being a icon on something so insignicant may God give you a view of what is important in life. Right on White Wabitt you the man. Good day and God Bless.

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Famoguy1234 here's the link to Dr. Greg Forbes' facebook. He updates his Torcon index there.

https://www.facebook.com/twcdrforbes/?fref=ts
Meanwhile here in College Park, MD, probably all too much severe weather here prior to April 3.


First line of storms passed through about 1:50PM. Mostly a gust front here with generalized 50mph blasts but Quantico reported 78mph.. they got a decent cell. It isn't over, round 2 with the front this evening, but this one has used up some of the CAPE. So far a better evolution than I was expecting.

First peach blossom visible today on my tree. March FIRST (normal is mid to late March).

Quoting 38. thetwilightzone:

We need too keep the wunder blogs or this closed down the hole blog site all together


Same axe. Just with the head and handle removed.
Quoting 2. whitewabit:

Everytime we get a new and improved WU by the powers to be all the changes SUCK .. YOU WON'T SEE WU IN ANOTHER 2 YEARS IT WILL BE CLOSED DOWN DUE TO LACK OF USE .. EVERYONE WILL BE LEAVING .. AND IT WILL BE SOONER THEN LATER !!!

Dr Master and others in selling this has made their pockets full but trashed all the people that actually made this site what it is .. Especially during Hurricane Season !!

I've been here since before August 2005 .. and have see the changes made degrade everything we have worked for ..

BYE !!!


This is what happens when corporations take over. Corporations are, in fact, a social disease, a sort of cancer that eats its way through a society and turns everything to crap. Everything. From the crap you get at crapmart to the food you can find at the grocery to the crap you get in media and from the government. Maybe we should thank God for ACC.... it is the only thing that will clear away the infection.
Quoting 21. Patrap:

NBC nado damage,live

Thanks Pat for the share..
Thanks for the outstanding analysis for the February outbreak and the issue of the related warming in the NE relative to the instability issue.........................I still think SPC should consider a possible post-analysis derecho designation for today given the wide spread straight-line wind damage this morning across several States as the squall line and gust front advanced.

Here is the count so far for today:



today Reports Graphic

Quoting 45. MontanaZephyr:



This is what happens when corporations take over. Corporations are, in fact, a social disease, a sort of cancer that eats its way through a society and turns everything to crap. Everything. From the crap you get at crapmart to the food you can find at the grocery to the crap you get in media and from the government. Maybe we should thank God for ACC.... it is the only thing that will clear away the infection.


Just wait till the millennial generation are completely infiltrated into the system. They aren't buying houses, cars, and understand jobs can be done remotely offsite since that is what technology is for. Corporations have no idea what's coming for em. The days of money, wealth, and economy's, are going away wayside.
Quoting 47. pcola57:


Thanks Pat for the share..


It is what the site here has done for almost 12 years, the blogs et al..

sharing.

The water is warm
But it's sending me shivers
A baby is born
Crying out for attention
Memories fade
Like looking through a fogged mirror
Decisions too
Decisions are made
Decisions are made and not bought
But I thought this wouldn't hurt a lot
I guess not




Quoting 49. RitaEvac:



Just wait till the millennial generation are completely infiltrated into the system. They aren't buying houses, cars, and understand jobs can be done remotely offsite since that is what technology is for. Corporations have no idea what's coming for em. The days of money, wealth, and economy's, are going away wayside.


I've stated many times here, that until the driving force of the Planet becomes something OTHER than the accumulation of wealth by men and nations,...it will remain the have/have little/have nothing stagnant loathing Planet Killing archetype.

The last Year has only shown this to be a self realizing truism.

We have murdered the Biosphere and continue to hourly at the rate of 400,000 tonnes of CO2 added from burning fossil fuels to run our societies.


The warming continues,..

unabated.

Jacksonville FL has set a record high for the date. 88 passing 87 in 1997. They've been 88 twice in February but if it reaches 90 it will be the earliest on record.
Quoting 51. Patrap:



I've stated many times here, that until the driving force of the Planet becomes something OTHER than the accumulation of wealth by men and nations,...it will remain the have/have little/have nothing stagnant loathing Planet Killing archetype.

The last Year has only shown this to be a self realizing truism.

We have murdered the Biosphere and continue to hourly at the rate of 400,000 tonnes of CO2 added from burning fossil fuels to run our societies.


The warming continues,..

unabated.




I always remember what you said about "as long as man and nations accumulate wealth nothing will change" that stuck with me and I use that as a saying now.

Sharing does work on this site.
WU......to your announcement let me say..........


Quoting 26. Patrap:

Well there is always WUTV then, ehice chair..
Did I say 79 partly cloudy..
No 'nados here..
Nice chair..
Gainesville FL has broken their daily record. The old record was 87 in 1918 and 1997 and they have reached 88. Same old and new record as Jacksonville.
#56. pcola57:

Sounds Yummy, but yesterday we did 3 shows in 3 venues,2 in the French Quarter. And I ate most everything offered.

I'm in a quiet mode today after de decorating the Home and yard from yesterday.
Quoting 42. Patrap..

Weather report..
The same..
79,partly cloudy high humity 90 something percent..
No nado..
Red fish Cubian and dirty rice WITH sausage for the supp..
Comin' over Pat?
I'll send ya a plate..
I will not tolerate attacks on our feature bloggers pls refrain from such activity
venting is fine but lets not make it personal
Change is inevitable but as a weather enthusiast, I have learned a whole bunch from many of the real good and informed bloggers on here (most of them gone now from the heyday about 5 years ago) and have learned the most from the excellent posts from Dr. Masters and now including Mr. Henson..................Whether this comment section eventually goes or stays, I will still tune into Dr. Masters blogs and particularly during hurricane season; his impact analysis is still about the best in the business if you are worried about the impacts of an approaching tropical storm.

Politics unfortunately has spilled over into social media and blogs across all the US in recent years and that will not change anytime soon unless we get a landslide/popular presidential election someday in the future where the country is not so divided; I hope that the folks that remain try to stay on topic and not keep raising politics.......It tarnishes this "weather" blog and you should make political statements on other sites.

It's been a long, crazy ride here at wunderground, and this latest round of changes is certainly a big shift. The changes to the blogs will mean that the significant problems we've had over the past year (blog slowness, unavailability, comments disappearing, etc) should resolve--though with any new software upgrade, there will be a shake-out period. I want to thank everyone in the wunderground community that blogged here; you helped make the wunderground a unique place to be. I will miss all the great contributions you made, and I sympathize with the angst expressed here in the comments today.

A new commenting system will be launched, which will allow independent comment threads on different topics--should be a big improvement.

The featured blogs from Portlight, Ricky Rood, Chris Burt, Marshall Shepherd, Lee Grenci, and Steve Gregory will continue to exist, and will have their own landing pages with a unique URL that will have their photo and bio at the bottom; the URL will be, for example:

https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/RickyRood/

Jeff Masters
I hope that the folks that remain try to stay on topic and not keep raising politics.......It tarnishes this "weather" blog and you should make political statements on other sites.



"The only thing required for evil to succeed is for good Men to do nothing."

That aint gonna happen here, as we have a vested interest in the politics of today..as it matters greatly.

At least to this WU and USMC Veteran.
Thanks Dr. Masters that's good to know.
Quoting 61. KEEPEROFTHEGATE:

I will not tolerate attacks on our feature bloggers pls refrain from such activity

This aggression will not stand, man...
The Dude

I just plunged into OP.
Arctic Implosion and this 'early spring' terrifies me (from the other side of the ocean).
#64
'angst' :(
-
So mates, now we start preparing a bit, shall we.
Keep insurance rates bearable and such.
Quoting 61. KEEPEROFTHEGATE:

I will not tolerate attacks on our feature bloggers pls refrain from such activity



which implies that you have and still may allow attacks on non- feature bloggers.....keep up the good work keep....LOL..

all joking aside it has been fun keep
Quoting 32. whitewabit:

Bob you work for them and have to like it even whether you would like something else .. We don't have too !!!

I have the 2nd longest running blog here on WU .. a continuous blog since August 2005 .. Dr Master's is the only other continuous blog during this time .. I have seen all the changes and most of them have been good for management but not the customers/consumer (US) !!!

Most of us come to WU to comment in Blogs other then the main featured blogs .. eliminating said blogs will also eliminate the reason most come to the site ..

I don't se WU being viable in another 2 years

I agree with Wab, I've seen many great bloggers in here get booted out for speaking their minds, and didn't go with the flow of the management, 1st. amendment advocated, management stated, this is a private blog, we can delete whomever we want! this was the beginning of end in my opinion, disagreements on many different issues, I have responded to being attacked, only to be silenced. I too use to think this was a great blog, learned so much about hurricanes, and other weather related issues, but come on folks, without the ability to basic Constitutional rights in this great Country is end with the demise of this blog! this is for you StormW. and Tampaspin,!
Wow...

Dr. Masters, I'm happy in your success and, maybe more so grateful for the long hours you've spent articulating weather events. You've found an optimal balance between language that both laymen and meteorologists can learn from.

Can't you do something to allow the personal blogs to stay? Go rogue?
Jacksonville and Gainesville FL have both cooled to 86 so either place reaching 90 today is unlikely.
IBM stock doing very well today. Almost all stocks are.
Quoting 71. ricderr:




which implies that you have and still may allow attacks on non- feature bloggers.....keep up the good work keep....LOL..

all joking aside it has been fun keep

it has been
lots of memories ric
lots of laughs tears anger happy times sad times
we have seen it all
and it will continue as we move on
am I sad of coarse I am I lose my blog as well
but over the years with the trolling and coming back with 500 handles
and hacking
for some not all
may have been the reason
behind it all going the way it has
the last little while in my own opinion
the system got swamped overloaded and hacked to death
and now we have to change it all again
so in reality the comm some of them have caused their own demise
like the saying goes a few bad apples ruin the entire basket
sounds familiar where have I heard this logic before...

suddenly my ignorance in a topic is now considered a critical point of view at proving something to be non-factual...

...that my friends WILL be the beginning to the END of what was once a GREAT COUNTRY.

Yesterday after the liar in chief's speech I posted a sign in my yard...

Pray for our Nation.
God help save Humanity.

WEATHERUNDERGROUND .. the name itself implied going rogue when You Dr Masters thought of a name for
your weather site ..

but with these latest changes to WeatherUnderground .. its now evident your just part of the establishment !!!

Paper on forecast improvements due to dropsonde data from the Global Hawk aircraft released online in Weather Review

Excerpt:

 Important Conclusions:

Global Hawk dropsonde data can be combined with data from regular Hurricane Hunter aircraft and from satellites to improve tropical cyclone forecasts.

Global Hawk dropsonde data close to the center improves forecasts of how strong the tropical cyclone will be. This is due to the large amount of accurate data obtained in that region that cannot be gathered in any other way.


Global Hawk dropsonde data further away from the center may improve forecasts of where the tropical cyclone will go.

This study can help to design Global Hawk flights to get the largest forecast improvement possible.
I know it's really warm everywhere else and warmer than normal. However, Anchorage is a lot colder than normal. Although I sorta half expected it as Siberia the last couple of years was frigid and we were very warm... It seems like that anomaly has shifted to the east. I'm no weather expert, just a casual observation.

Next few days, lows are sub zero. Im enjoying the cold weather and the days of cloudless skies. There is something about a sub-zero, bright sun, crisp air, cloudless day. The air feels refreshing. The mountains are visible.

Sorry to see the blogs go - at least the featured ones are staying.
Quoting 49. RitaEvac:



Just wait till the millennial generation are completely infiltrated into the system. They aren't buying houses, cars, and understand jobs can be done remotely offsite since that is what technology is for. Corporations have no idea what's coming for em. The days of money, wealth, and economy's, are going away wayside.


What is happening is that many corporations are destroying their consumer base when jobs go to automation, robotics and AI. Who will be left to buy their products when they have eliminated the workforce in the name of their short to midterm profits? I do not understand how they so easily overlook the bigger picture.

WU essentially has a free workforce here that contributes information and create interesting blogs that will draw positive attention to the website. I suspect that their cost analysis on this could use a serious review.
What I would like to know is do any of these people hold a job? They spend their whole lives looking for every crumb of info on AGW,

A. I'm retired .
B. If learning about an area the size of Alabama , in Canada is undergoing rapid thawing of it's permafrost , and the land it's self is being reshaped, and washed into the oceans is considered a " crumb of AGW info ", well we all need to chip in and buy you a dictionary / thesaurus.

I'm sorry you have diabetes, I have diabetes as well . But that's our own damn fault . Not the commenters here.
I'm sorry your mother in in poor health, I nursed my mother, my older sister , and father before they died.
I'm sorry that pictures, and videos that aren't just large blocks of teletype print ripped off the NWS page in Botox, Tenn. offend you.
But most of all , I'm sorry that going after the arts , the sciences , and the environment with a meat axe, is some how become political.
(bawling)
81. Some1Has2BtheRookie

Excellent comment. Everyone thought Ford was crazy for raising the wages of his workers so they could afford to buy one of his cars.
Quoting 78. whitewabit:

WEATHERUNDERGROUND .. the name itself implied going rogue when You Dr Masters thought of a name for
your weather site ..

but with these latest changes to WeatherUnderground .. its now evident your just part of the establishment !!!




Three quotes for you :
"You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows"
"When logic and proportion have have fallin' sloppy dead"

And
"Sometimes your the windshield, sometimes your the bug"
Quoting 8. LargoFl:

As you know, over the years Weather Underground has provided a wide variety of weather-related services and features across our web and mobile properties. We are grateful for the opportunity to serve you in this capacity. As we continue to innovate and focus on our core forecasting capabilities, we are no longer able to properly support the following products and features:
◾Member blogs
◾WUMail
◾NOAA Weather Radio
◾SMS alerts

As of April 3rd, all of the features listed above will become unavailable and will be removed from Weather Underground’s website and mobile applications.

We know you’ll likely have questions, so we’ve created FAQ pages to address your concerns, which are accessible via the links provided. We sincerely appreciate your understanding and continued support throughout this transition.

As part of this transition, Category 6 will get a new look. On April 3, 2017 all posts by Jeff Masters, Bob Henson and WU featured bloggers will move to Category 6 – meaning all our articles will be accessible in one place. Be sure to check wunderground.com on April 3rd to see the new and improved format.

So member blogs go but trolls stay and still have a place to ply their trade?
Quoting 81. Some1Has2BtheRookie:



What is happening is that many corporations are destroying their consumer base when jobs go to automation, robotics and AI. Who will be left to buy their products when they have eliminated the workforce in the name of their short to midterm profits? I do not understand how they so easily overlook the bigger picture.

WU essentially has a free workforce here that contributes information and create interesting blogs that will draw positive attention to the website. I suspect that their cost analysis on this could use a serious review.
I really don't see how this decision is going to do anything but reduce traffic to the Weather Underground site.
Hey folks. I'm back from a bit of a travel - just to get this hard news about the future of our WU-community. Although I'm not the most socializing person in here, I feel this is a heavy blow to the integrity of the community. The personal blogs have been a good part of the glue which kept many folks together in here - and at the same time a good way to keep the main blog clean from too much personal chatter and hobbies.

As I don't know where to take this: I've got two technical questions for the admins:

1. Will our accounts and handles get transfered to the new blog automatically or will we have to register anew?

2. Related to this: It is said that personal blogs will get archived. Does the author of their blog will keep control over those archived blogs, in case one might have the wish to remove them at some time in the future? If not, it might be a serious deliberation to remove them (with the whole current account) just before April 3rd, at least for me ....



I'm not member of facebook or any other of those social media stuff. WU has become my internet retreat and my humble blog-posts (must be 100 now) a sort of a photo diary of the last years with the challenge to find new subjects which might enjoy my few visitors (and to further exercise my little English, lol). Although I'd hate to destroy them I'd rather do that than to completely lose access. It'll be a true spiritual exercise - like destroying a sand mandala ;-)

"Dust in the wind ....".

Quoting 87. LowerCal:

I really don't see how this decision is going to do anything but reduce traffic to the Weather Underground site.


This is the feedback that I just left for WU concerning the new direction that it is taking:

What makes WU special is that it is a community of people with varied interests and with different levels of knowledge. This community allows its members to grow and for its members to both teach and to learn. I feel as if the new direction that WU is turning to will limit these things and that its members will become less of a community and more of a walk through experience.
Had a slight mistake in last blog about Perryville damage, didn't have map at time and said Hwy 60, it was 61. Also it crossed 55 before it hit the neighborhood next to 61. The motorist was a 24 yr old man from Perryville traveling on 55, said he was thrown from vehicle after 'nado affected him (seatbelt?). Good info on the Post Dispatch website stltoday.com if interested in more.

Temps continue to drop slightly while pressure continues to rise, winds about the same. Too bad about blogs, have to guess the season before 4-3 I guess : (
80. Dakster

I have Karachi, Pakistan , and Fairbanks on my weather cities tool bar here.

Your thinking about Alaska has caught my eye as well . But what I've noticed is that we all grew up with really strong cold ball at the top of the world. In the winter. Almost like a white bowling ball was split into a series of cue balls.

Now when we see those rich Reanalyzer Images , it's a series of much smaller balls wandering around , running from the orange army of BTU nine balls marching North. And every year, more nine balls are on the table.
Quoting 12. washingtonian115:

Well we tied the record high here in D.C today at 80 degrees and it should be fuel for out storms this afternoon.I'm upset about the removal of WU mail and members blogs.As someone said earlier next will be the removal of the comment section altogether and then that will be the day I depart from WU.
Pretty much.
Everyone have a safe weather evening; don't see any severe weather in the forecast for tomorrow which is a good thing to help folks try to recover from the last two days:





And I missed this post from a few days ago relative to California; it's all about the impact of global warming and arctic melt on the mid-latitudes where most of the people live in the Northern Hemisphere..............See Yall Tomorrow:

http://science.sciencemag.org/content/355/6327/78 7


In just a few months, California has moved from extreme drought to dangerous flooding, thanks to atmospheric rivers: long, narrow ribbons of water vapor in the sky. Just a few hundred kilometers wide, atmospheric rivers stretch thousands of kilometers from the tropical oceans toward the poles, carrying up to 20 times as much water as the Mississippi River. That moisture gets tugged along by the windy paddle wheels of spinning storms ahead of its path. When the atmospheric rivers make landfall and the vapor condenses, they can release a staggering amount of rain and snow. Scientists are now working to unravel their physics so that they can provide better forecasts, both now and in a future, hotter world. For dry, midlatitude regions like California, any changes could have a profound impact.
As someone said earlier next will be the removal of the comment section altogether and then that will be the day I depart from WU.

If one believes this , I have a condo in Aleppo I would like to sell you.

It's the comments the drive traffic. 2 years ago a Wapo political story might have 450 comments in the first 24 hours, now they can do 4,000 in 12 hours, and for better or for worst that is our yardstick.

So no the comments are not going away .

A better question ...............
Are comment police getting new powers ? And will they add to the force ?
Speaking as a multiple repeat offender .
18z GFS now running - Mauritius/Reunion may be in trouble.


toronto looking pretty, and the willow buds have been out for weeks (honestly the first ones popped when some dead fall leaves were still attached)



Video: analysis

Watching time 29 minutes

Confidential documents show that Shell sounded the alarm about global warming as early as 1986. But despite this clear-eyed view of the risks, the oil giant has lobbied against strong climate legislation for decades. Today we make Shell’s 1991 film, Climate of Concern, public again.



Shell made a film about climate change in 1991 (then neglected to heed its own warning)

Gee, is anyone actually surprised?

I mean, amirite?

..spppppppppppttt'




Quoting 72. trunkmonkey:


I agree with Wab, I've seen many great bloggers in here get booted out for speaking their minds, and didn't go with the flow of the management, 1st. amendment advocated, management stated, this is a private blog, we can delete whomever we want! this was the beginning of end in my opinion, disagreements on many different issues, I have responded to being attacked, only to be silenced. I too use to think this was a great blog, learned so much about hurricanes, and other weather related issues, but come on folks, without the ability to basic Constitutional rights in this great Country is end with the demise of this blog! this is for you StormW. and Tampaspin,!



I can't prove it, but from everything I have learned over the years, 'people' that want to control things have been systematically doing what they can, and there are many methods, of degrading groups and organizations, online and off, that they cannot control and put to their uses. WU seems to be another example.... if the content flow is not to their liking, ways are found to inhibit it or squelch it entirely. They don't want people with observations and ideas, that they don't want aired, to be in communication, because there is strength in that. I have seen several interesting social-interaction web sites become useless, difficult or even disappeared over the years.

I would wager that we are in for a period of fascism the likes of which are well beyond Orwell's imagination. That statement might've been questionable even a few years ago, though many of us saw it coming. But look at the EPA. If you work for that operation or any of the many that that operations helps fund (and some of my friends do), you are in danger of slipping into a psyche that is fearful and paranoid, and reasonably so. It's not just the EPA though.... the office of the president (which thing is not controlled by Trump, the controllers just are having a bit of a wild ride reigning him in) has enormous surveillence powers and along with operations that are like Lexus-Nexus on steroids, know way more about you than you know about yourself. And unlike in the old days, where they just offed you (A friend of my grandmothers used to tell the tale about a fellow, a WWI vet, who had a strong material objection to something that Woodrow Wilson was doing, and fired off a telegram.... the next day, some men came and took him away and he was never seen again), and unlike the not so old days where they would infiltrate your group, and compromise you or your spouse, cause dissention, steal funds and make it look like someone else did it, or steal identities), these days, with the internet, and sophisticated applied A/B testing and other techniques....well, you're all bright enough to fill in the rest.

What can you do? Network network network! Not just online but in your real-world life.... get to know your neighbors ( a great way to do this is to walk the dog daily.... I do this, and by doing this I have brought together a fair portion of the local neighborhood. Occasionally we go to brunch together.... and it is typically around twenty people ... but the point is that we all know each other somewhat... both strengths and weakness as well as quirks. It is a very disparate group... all kinds a wide range of incomes and educations etc... but, say, if 'Madge' needs something, maybe she's sick, or needs to travel and who will watch the dog, or maybe she dated the wrong guy and he's not getting the message... well we're there to help~) Definitely get to know your neighbors, try to overlook when they do things different from you, and, as the impending disasters arrive, whether political, economic, geographic, or climatological, you will be part of a team and not isolated.

Okay, enough.
Another crumb, another Hoax, another RobertScribbler post -

Famine Warning Issued in Four Countries Following Worst African Droughts in Decades
Abnormally warm West Pacific sea surface temperatures — in part driven by a weak La Nina, in part driven by global warming — produced changes in atmospheric circulation that considerably reduced rainfall over Eastern and Southern Africa during 2016. As a result, places like Rwanda, Kenya, Eithiopia, South Sudan, and Somalia experienced some of their worst droughts in decades.

Link

Ha ha. Heir Doctor will be laughing to himself as he smugly contemplates your personal blogs demise and cashes his checks from IBM. I told you I'd get my revenge. Wa wha wha, evil laughter. Now let's stir it up with proof that pollution is the solution to global warming as we enter the next ice age. Link
Comment was management would be reading this blog intently watching the comments ..

Well check out all the other blogs and the people telling each other who have been here years making WU what it is ..

are saying good bye to each other .. one comment a blogger doesn't want to be the last rat to jump ship ..

Your base is leaving !!!!
The Moth Radio Hour is a radio show that airs weekly here on NPR. Each week, three different people get in front of a microphone and 'tell their stories. This week's show is titled: “The ocean is the blue heart of the planet.” I missed the first two segments but in the third, a woman tells how she was part of an experimental team back in 1970 or so, that lived underwater for a two week period... itself it was fascinating, but then in 2012 she got to go back~

“The ocean is the blue heart of the planet.”
A total of 30 Atmospheric Rivers have made landfall over California during the 2017 water year to date (1 Okt. 2016-16 Febr. 2017)


Image source
Quoting 103. whitewabit:

only thinning out those that don't like change its all rather uncalled for really to be honest add jumping the gun before its even given a chance to see how it goes
100. MontanaZephyr

Spot on , since Nixon, they had money, they had patience, they had a plan . Prime example the wing nut think tanks.

I count 5 on one hand , and on the other hand ? The lying left wing sucking up government grants , a bunch of researchers studying eider ducks, sea ice, pine trees, and coral, just so they could drive their Volvos home from work.
From LA Times:

Oklahoma's earthquake threat now equals California's due to man-made temblors, USGS says


A magnitude 5.0 earthquake damaged buildings Nov. 6 in Cushing, Okla. (Jim Beckel / Oklahoman)

The earthquake risk for Oklahoma and southern Kansas is expected to remain significant in 2017, threatening 3 million people with seismic events that can produce damaging shaking, according to a new U.S. Geological Survey forecast released Wednesday.

The seismic risk is forecast to be so high that the chance of damage in Oklahoma and southern Kansas is expected to be similar to that of earthquakes in California, USGS scientists writing in the journal Seismological Research Letters said Wednesday.

In 2016 alone, Oklahoma experienced several damaging earthquakes, including a magnitude 5.0 temblor in November near the central oil town of Cushing — which proclaims itself the “Pipeline Crossroads of the World” — that dislodged unreinforced bricks in chimneys and storefronts, sending them tumbling onto the sidewalks.

Oklahoma also saw the largest quake ever recorded in the state in 2016, when a magnitude 5.8 earthquake struck near Pawnee.

The earthquakes are thought to be the result of the disposal of wastewater deep underground from fracking, a method used to extract petroleum. Injecting the wastewater underground is not thought to trigger earthquakes everywhere it is practiced — in North Dakota, for example — but is widely believed by scientists to be a problem in Oklahoma.

According to scientists, there were only about two earthquakes a year of magnitude 2.7 or greater in Oklahoma between 1980 and 2000. But that number jumped to 2,500 in 2014, and soared to 4,000 a year later.

Click here to read more.
Quoting 106. KEEPEROFTHEGATE:

only thinning out those that don't like change its all rather uncalled for really to be honest add jumping the gun before its even given a chance to see how it goes


no Keep its the people that have been here some like me from the beginning .. I've stayed with the changes as have others but taking our blogs the reason many are here the base is going .. stay and moderate the trolls that's all that's left ..
111. MahFL
Quoting 26. Patrap:

Well there is always WUTV then, eh?




Sadly not with Sara Dillingham anymore...
Grimly amused by all the anti-corporate and anti-wealth rhetoric in the comments. Corporations employ most people and most of the people you know. Corporations made and sold to you most of what you have--your car, the materials in your house, your appliances, your clothes, your computer and your phone.

As for wealth, I suspect everyone commenting here is in the top 1% wealthiest of all the humans who have ever existed. Science, technology and progress in general have come from people gaining returns by improving things and expanding knowledge. Until the 20th century the vast majority of people lived short, disease-ridden lives of poverty, ignorance and hardship we can't even imagine. 500 years ago I would have been an illiterate peasant and so would you. Over a third of our children would die before their first birthday, and over half before their fifth birthday. We would have slept in filthy shacks boiling with fleas and do backbreaking, filthy work that would never change from year to year--with no prospect that would change for our children or our children's children. And certainly we would have had no knowledge of the science of weather: No barometers. No thermometers. No weather maps. Be thankful for the luxury of having time to blog, and the technology and wealth to blog. Even if the replacement here is unsatisfactory, other means will come.
We now hate aid. Who will step up ?

China.
Old English word of the day: cræft-wyrc - workmanship. Pronounced "kraft-wurk"

Illustration from the Maciejowski Bible, made in Paris, c. 1250 AD. (Maciejowski was a Polish count who later owned it)

Note the people with their heads bent and one with a hand over her face. Even if you were a skilled worker, as recently as the Middle Ages, it was back-breaking toil.

They got rid of the member's blogs?
Quoting 108. RobertWC:

100. MontanaZephyr

Spot on , since Nixon, they had money, they had patience, they had a plan . Prime example the wing nut think tanks.

I count 5 on one hand , and on the other hand ? The lying left wing sucking up government grants , a bunch of researchers studying eider ducks, sea ice, pine trees, and coral, just so they could drive their Volvos home from work.

Well said.
114. BaltimoreBrian

Now why would anyone want to bring history into the debate ?
I'm starting to think man created global warming can not be solved by reduction policies. Our only hope is removal of existing and future. The global situation does not lend its self to massive reductions required. We need a moon shot to remove co2.
Quoting 110. whitewabit:



no Keep its the people that have been here some like me from the beginning .. I've stayed with the changes as have others but taking our blogs the reason many are here the base is going .. stay and moderate the trolls that's all that's left ..


notice
The views of the blogger are his/her own and do not necessarily represent the position of wunderground.com


only if you want it to be
lets be honest
and you above all
know that some of this
very comm.
strived to see its demise
overloading the site
trying to crash it out
using 10 different names all at once
to troll with then the last little while
opening of total site collapse started appearing
blogs shutting down comments disappearing
site shutting down for hours hacks in comments
changing manipulating the code

it is very sad it has to come to this but that is what it has become

and if anything what is coming will be more secure than ever before and make for a much more pleasurable experience for all within the community

it just needs to be given a chance
Quoting 114. BaltimoreBrian:

Grimly amused by all the anti-corporate and anti-wealth rhetoric in the comments. Corporations employ most people and most of the people you know. Corporations made and sold to you most of what you have--your car, the materials in your house, your appliances, your clothes, your computer and your phone.

As for wealth, I suspect everyone commenting here is in the top 1% wealthiest of all the humans who have ever existed. Science, technology and progress in general have come from people gaining returns by improving things and expanding knowledge. Until the 20th century the vast majority of people lived short, disease-ridden lives of poverty, ignorance and hardship we can't even imagine. 500 years ago I would have been an illiterate peasant and so would you. Over a third of our children would die before their first birthday, and over half before their fifth birthday. We would have slept in filthy shacks boiling with fleas and do backbreaking, filthy work that would never change from year to year--with no prospect that would change for our children or our children's children. And certainly we would have had no knowledge of the science of weather: No barometers. No thermometers. No weather maps. Be thankful for the luxury of having time to blog, and the technology and wealth to blog. Even if the replacement here is unsatisfactory, other means will come.


I do not see any issues being raised against wealth or corporations. I believe that you are confusing the issue. This is not about what corporations have been. This is about what corporations have become.
As Nostradamus wrote over 500 years ago:

"Le temp se finis quand la grand jumand apres desecrement. Se posib ne pas voile non escri chesan. Je suis accompli quelle avec miserie se e'te.
Quoting 124. Grothar:

As Nostradamus wrote over 500 years ago:

"Le temp se finis quand la grand jumand apres desecrement. Se posib ne pas voile non escri chesan. Je suis accompli quelle avec miserie se e'te.


Nostradamus could be rather cryptic at times. I always hated debating him. ;)
As for wealth, I suspect everyone commenting here is in the top 1% wealthiest of all the humans who have ever existed. Science, technology and progress in general have come from people gaining returns by improving things and expanding knowledge

All on the backs of carbon atoms. And our fiery world of what comes next. We know what comes next.

Change. And we don't like change

But change is we are good at. We have that thunb going for us . And that printing books.
Quoting 113. RobertWC:


107. Xyrus2000

They will never understand why ignorance is not respected. Why knowledge is all that matters , and ignorance of an opinion was no value.


Well put.

On a related note:
It looks like plants are in on the conspiracy to get money from the U.S. government.

Northern hemisphere sees in early spring due to global warming Link
Quoting 125. Some1Has2BtheRookie:



Nostradamus could be rather cryptic at times. I always hated debating him. ;)


He never listened to me either. I remember he once told me I would be on a blog that would disappear and I would lose scores of friends and live to the ripe old age of 8,042. Ha, I've already passed that.
Quoting 128. Grothar:



He never listened to me either. I remember he once told me I would be on a blog that would disappear and I would lose scores of friends and live to the ripe old age of 8,042. Ha, I've already passed that.


Nostradamus should have known that the only way that you would lose friends is by your out living them. We did get the last word in, by out living him. :)
Teraforming to increase co2 is well known but nothing on extracting it. Maybe our downfall.
The conditions have over run the politics .

In Chile, no one is a deiner tonite. Their largest city water system is owned by Spanish interests. Last time I looked there were a !,000,000 people with out water.
Corporations, and not all of them mind you have become the very core of the problem. Rewriting economic doctrine that gives them loopholes upon loopholes that keeps them from paying their fair share. Exploiting and now owning our entire political system for their gains. Sweeping all of the world's wealth into their small corners. Turning profit margins that have no historical comparisons while keeping the vast majority working hard at debt slave wages. Pushing with all their weight to undermine world stability to keep the war engine humming and on their way to gutting regulations that protect the environment for generations to come. Undermining democracy at it's very core. And those at the very top in the world would love to see our world population cut in half. And would have zero qualms about engineering just that if we let them. They have corrupted our democracy, fixed the system, and want never ending war and to destroy the environment. They quit being for the American citizen long ago.
This is dreadful. Its all so dreadful, and its only going to get worse

The conditions have over run the politics .
Add to that mass manipulation of the truth for very nefarious reasons.
rap forecasted morning winchills

Ey, get up, stand up, stand up for your rights!
Get up, stand up, don't give up the fight!
Get up, stand up, stand up for your rights!
Get up, stand up, don't give up the fight!
Preacher man, don't tell me
Heaven is under the earth
I know you don't know
What life is really worth
It's not all that glitters is gold
Half the story has never been told
And now you see the light
You stand up for your rights

Bob Marley

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It's not resistance , it's get up stand up.

IT'S NOT RESISTANCE . IT'S Bob Marley.

Get Up Stand Up
Bob Marley
Ey, get up, stand up, stand up for your rights!
Get up, stand up, don't give up the fight!
Get up, stand up, stand up for your rights!
Get up, stand up, don't give up the fight!

Link
Quoting 16. RitaandIke:

Here are some examples of websites that use Drupal.
Link
DrupalCon is in Baltimore. I won't be going. Shucky-darn.
NASA Climate twitter seems to be OK. From February 24th
Quoting 139. BaltimoreBrian:

DrupalCon is in Baltimore. I won't be going. Shucky-darn.


I had never heard of Drupal until it was mentioned in a previous blog.
I posted that link in hopes someone with experience and knowledge would provide a positive perspective about how good the new format could be.
It didn't work.
Good evening guys

If blogs are gonna shut down in a month, I don't know how to keep up the hurricane prediction list...
I may just erase the whole thing given WU is not gonna keep the blogs up anymore.

Any suggestions? I'd listen to anyone
Quoting 142. RitaandIke:



I had never heard of Drupal until it was mentioned in a previous blog.
I posted that link in hopes someone with experience and knowledge would provide a positive perspective about how good the new format could be.
It didn't work.
Well we'll see. I have no idea what the new format will be like. I had my own blog stuffed with medieval and ancient history posts which are off topic on this blog--weather is not all I'm interested in. I know I'll read the featured blogs at first to see how they turn out, but wunderground won't be nearly as interesting without a blog of my own, and seeing what other people post in their blogs. I expect I'll just come here to read when a major hurricane or other weather disaster happens.
MaxWeather you could just use a general blogging site and post a link to it--let people go there.
Quoting 59. no1der:

Insane Lady Yells at Clouds and Sprays Vinegar at the Sky


"...the iconic video of that insane lady in Utah spraying her backyard with vinegar to rid the sky of "chemtrails" and making her son videotape the occasion as proof for the internet. The lady truly believes that spraying vinegar at the sky will magically ascend 35,000 feet to dissipate some clouds she doesn't like."




Antarctica hits record high temperature at balmy 17.5°C (63.5°F)

OSLO, March 1 (Reuters) - An Argentine research base near the northern tip of the Antarctic peninsula has set a heat record at a balmy 17.5 degrees Celsius (63.5° Fahrenheit), the U.N. weather agency said on Wednesday.

The Experanza base set the high on March 24, 2015, the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) said after reviewing data around Antarctica to set benchmarks to help track future global warming and natural variations.
We have murdered the atmosphere.
Quoting 143. MaxWeather:

Good evening guys

If blogs are gonna shut down in a month, I don't know how to keep up the hurricane prediction list...
I may just erase the whole thing given WU is not gonna keep the blogs up anymore.

Any suggestions? I'd listen to anyone
I will see what I can do doc says he will have all the current featured bloggers maybe you can become one of them feature thingy's or whatever it will be if you wish on the new format

it will only be a suggestion but I will try
Quoting 148. Patrap:

We have murdered the atmosphere.
and ourselves
faster and faster
Keeper please clarify this for me: There will still be a "blogish" place where we can post as we do here now?
Quoting 39. SAINTHURRIFAN:


. SAINTHURRIFAN
6:52 PM GMT on March 01, 2017




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What I would like to know is do any of these people hold a job? They spend their whole lives looking for every crumb of info on AGW, or posting constant pictures or nonsense of songs and movies for crying out loud. They say their independants? but they constantly bash only one political party? One who has severe diabetes: but still holds a full time job, keeps up 30 acres of my elderly mothers plus mine.While also having to deal with my elderly mothers declining health. So in summary of this rant, this weather blog is just a hobby, not a real life necessity. For you who feel like you have achieved some kind of rock star status by being a icon on something so insignicant may God give you a view of what is important in life. Right on White Wabitt you the man. Good day and God Bless.

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You keep up acreage and you kvetch about people who obsess about climate? We've only got three acres, a couple dozen small breed pigs, some goats, poultry for eggs, about to expand our orchard about 3x what it is now.

You BET I obsess about climate! I'm a farmer. My housemates and I not only think about weather tomorrow, but will there be an El Nino? Will we get more rain next season enough to keep the Lahontan reservoir full? Will there be enough rain to drive the basin over its 300,000 acre-feet boundary and force TCID to let water flow into the desert flood plain to keep the farms and Fallon from flooding? Will we get enough percentage of our water rights the year after next to keep our pigs in good pasture browsing?

No, I don't have what you call a day job. I don't have paychecks signed by a corporate entity. I don't sit at a desk umpteen hours a week. So I take the few minutes here and there, and sometimes a half hour before I fall asleep at night, and read the blog and comments and figure out if I have anything to keep an eye on tomorrow, or next week, or next Fall.
Presuming they are settled... Weather is what interests farmers and ranchers, not climate. You know questions like, is it gonna rain? frost? When's this wind gonna stop? Will I get enough hay this season? That's weather. You wanna wait 30 years in one place? If you do, then you can say you've dealt with "climate."

Far too much speculation about what's gonna happen goes on in these blog comments. Far too many lines drawn connecting dot to dot when no dots exist.
BaltimoreBrian, please let us know where you will re-establish your blog. It's wonderful.

I only wonder where the gain is in shutting down a blogging community. Is it that expensive to maintain?
Quoting 155. secondgee:

BaltimoreBrian, please let us know where you will re-establish your blog. It's wonderful.

I only wonder where the gain is in shutting down a blogging community. Is it that expensive to maintain?

expense has nothing too do with it

its tech

As we continue to innovate and focus on our core forecasting capabilities, we are no longer able to properly support the following products and features:
Member blogs
WUMail
NOAA Weather Radio 
SMS alerts
As of April 3rd, all of the features listed above will become unavailable and will be removed from Weather Underground’s website and mobile applications.

Quoting 152. DeepSeaRising:

Keeper please clarify this for me: There will still be a "blogish" place where we can post as we do here now?

yes

Category 6 featured blogs will change to a new format which includes a more polished look and robust commenting system. Check wunderground.com on April 3rd to see the new and improved version of Category 6.
Quoting 121. KEEPEROFTHEGATE:



notice
The views of the blogger are his/her own and do not necessarily represent the position of wunderground.com


only if you want it to be
lets be honest
and you above all
know that some of this
very comm.
strived to see its demise
overloading the site
trying to crash it out
using 10 different names all at once
to troll with then the last little while
opening of total site collapse started appearing
blogs shutting down comments disappearing
site shutting down for hours hacks in comments
changing manipulating the code

it is very sad it has to come to this but that is what it has become

and if anything what is coming will be more secure than ever before and make for a much more pleasurable experience for all within the community

it just needs to be given a chance
Too late. I understand what wab's saying. No matter how secure, a site with no heart is dead. This one's been dying for a while and slow death will continue.
no I have not seen it and likely wont till we all do it will be just as new for me as you but I am willing to give it a try wu will still be here just a slimmed down polish look too it

to be honest I am kinda looking forward to it if its stable and functions like it should
as for my blog I had myself I will likely make something up on a blogging site somewhere
mostly just for a place where I want to go to get what I am looking for with a click
Quoting 158. StormDrain:

Too late. I understand what wab's saying. No matter how secure, a site with no heart is dead. This one's been dying for a while and slow death will continue.
and I will be direct you are one of the most active individuals that help in that demise
Change is coming .

Get over it
Quoting 160. KEEPEROFTHEGATE:

and I will be direct you are one of the most active individuals that help in that demise
Would you mind explaining what you mean by that?
158. StormDrain
3:07 AM GMT on March 02, 2017
This one's been dying for a while and slow death will continue.
I will firstly do no harm. Beyond this, I will endeavor to create what is good and beneficial for society, rather than hurt it or waste its time.
Quoting 154. StormDrain:

Presuming they are settled... Weather is what interests farmers and ranchers, not climate. You know questions like, is it gonna rain? frost? When's this wind gonna stop. Will I get enough hay this season? That's weather. You wanna wait 30 years in one place? If you do, then you can say you've dealt with "climate."

Far too much speculation about what's gonna happen goes on in these blog comments. Far too many lines drawn connecting dot to dot when no dots exist.

See comment 153: nonblanche for a reply to this. And would you mind being specific about which dots are nonexistent?
Three things to remember -

A Hell is coming to breakfast

B. Nothing stays the same

C. Get over it
Quoting 163. KEEPEROFTHEGATE:

158. StormDrain
3:07 AM GMT on March 02, 2017
This one's been dying for a while and slow death will continue.
Quoting 164. KEEPEROFTHEGATE:

I will firstly do no harm. Beyond this, I will endeavor to create what is good and beneficial for society, rather than hurt it or waste its time.
Are these your explanations?
Quoting 165. ACSeattle:


See comment 153: nonblanche for a reply to this. And would you mind being specific about which dots are nonexistent?
As soon as keeper answers my questions about the reason(s) he wrote, "and I will be direct you are one of the most active individuals that help in that demise" then I will answer yours.


GET OVER IT

You don't like change , move to the Moon
Quoting 155. secondgee:

BaltimoreBrian, please let us know where you will re-establish your blog. It's wonderful.

I only wonder where the gain is in shutting down a blogging community. Is it that expensive to maintain?
Thank you so much secondgee! I'm not going to set up a new blog in another location. However if my readers will post enough quality history, political or science material to fill up my blog (2,000 comments) by Friday afternoon, I'll open a new entry and we can have fun for the next month.

But I hope more people will post more things in the current entry and the next. I'll reopen it to politics too. We'll have fun and a nice send-off.

And if you fill up my blog by Thursday, I'll post a new entry even sooner :)
Will there be a No Whiny/Goofball Button ?

Where all the cry babies are dumped in a pile.

You know Obama , was part part of the International Communist Conspiracy to over take the white men's ability to vote ?
That Jesus owned a herd of dinosaurs.

Than kind of thing ?

That would really speed things a long.
Jesus owned a herd of dinosaurs.

That's a perfect idea for here and now, and I for one will bend to our IBM overlords.
172. N3EG
Quoting 168. RobertWC:



GET OVER IT

You don't like change , move to the Moon

Change is only good when it's in my pocket.
More severe weather is possible next week in the same regions. Will have a video on this on Saturday evening.
You tell me that marble dust has replaced peanuts in Jiffy and Skippy . I'm on board , because marble dust is cheaper than peanuts.
177. N3EG
All that seems to be left is to find that little "Enable reporting to Weather Underground" box and uncheck it.

Edit: Done.
You tell me that marble dust has replaced peanuts in Jiffy and Skippy . I'm on board , because marble dust is cheaper than peanuts. And making money is our only measure . Screw our kids . Maybe they'll grow whiter teeth?
Quoting 154. StormDrain:

Presuming they are settled... Weather is what interests farmers and ranchers, not climate. You know questions like, is it gonna rain? frost? When's this wind gonna stop? Will I get enough hay this season? That's weather. You wanna wait 30 years in one place? If you do, then you can say you've dealt with "climate."

Far too much speculation about what's gonna happen goes on in these blog comments. Far too many lines drawn connecting dot to dot when no dots exist.

You're completely mistaken. In our area we have noticed the lengthening of growing seasons and what we know as typically atypical weather. While corn is a go-to no matter what, we're forced to give up on real agriculture because the only thing we have that's nearly guaranteed to grow is dent corn and soy. All genetically modified. It takes dampness in the fall, and a wide range of climates over the summer. In the past we had cucumbers, peas, barley, wheat, a wide variety but the payoff isn't there. You couldn't even sell it because the infrastructure isn't right and too much is wasted on trucking. Orchards are being turned into pig forage, cider, and pick-your own because its not profitable to have contracts with Wisconsin any more. Its more reliable to get them from steady climates in New York and the West Coast.

Back in the late 1800s sometimes we would have frost in the summer. 50 years ago, the last ever frost happened in the summer. Fat chance now.
Quoting 181. WU_497842:




Now they have gone to a smaller package to target specific groups.



AMAZING Jet Pack Stunt Around Dubai
WU_497842, less really is more. If you posted one image it wouldn't be so trolly.

Moderators please leave #173 and #174 up, regardless of the other comments. I think the comparison is enlightening.
I have written a blog on my thoughts I will post in a minute. The only time wasted here has been mine when I hung in because I cared about this community and weather, especially severe.

Quoting 165. ACSeattle:


See comment 153: nonblanche for a reply to this. And would you mind being specific about which dots are nonexistent?
I don't see an answer from me from him, so I guess Keeper feels like he made his point.

The dots, these: Ones drawn that confuse climate and weather, and the dots connected in ink as to causal relationships that are, at best, not yet penciled in.

180. Snacker2
Oh dear. Of course I'm mistaken...
Good luck to you. If you're in the U.S., you might want to talk to your congressman. I hope you adapt well.
Sincerely.

Ps. Maybe you missed the bolded part when you skimmed through my comment:
Quoting 154. StormDrain:

"Presuming they are settled... Weather is what interests farmers and ranchers, not climate. You know questions like, is it gonna rain? frost? When's this wind gonna stop? Will I get enough hay this season? That's weather. You wanna wait 30 years in one place? If you do, then you can say you've dealt with "climate."

Far too much speculation about what's gonna happen goes on in these blog comments. Far too many lines drawn connecting dot to dot when no dots exist."
Incompetent, incompetent, incompetent...
Quoting 160. KEEPEROFTHEGATE:

and I will be direct you are one of the most active individuals that help in that demise


Keep your out of line with this comment or any like it .. your not the judge and jury ..
Quoting 187. whitewabit:

Keep your out of line with this comment or any like it .. your not the judge and jury ..
I don't think Keeper is out of line at all in this case.
Quoting 186. TropicalAnalystwx13:

Incompetent, incompetent, incompetent...


Gosh. I am doing the best that I can.
Quoting 188. BaltimoreBrian:

I don't think Keeper is out of line at all in this case.


I do he is a moderator and should treat everyone the same .. No personal opinion should be conveyed ..
191. Ylee
Quoting 64. JeffMasters:


It's been a long, crazy ride here at wunderground, and this latest round of changes is certainly a big shift. The changes to the blogs will mean that the significant problems we've had over the past year (blog slowness, unavailability, comments disappearing, etc) should resolve--though with any new software upgrade, there will be a shake-out period. I want to thank everyone in the wunderground community that blogged here; you helped make the wunderground a unique place to be. I will miss all the great contributions you made, and I sympathize with the angst expressed here in the comments today.

A new commenting system will be launched, which will allow independent comment threads on different topics--should be a big improvement.

The featured blogs from Portlight, Ricky Rood, Chris Burt, Marshall Shepherd, Lee Grenci, and Steve Gregory will continue to exist, and will have their own landing pages with a unique URL that will have their photo and bio at the bottom; the URL will be, for example:

https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/RickyRood/

Jeff Masters



No respect to those that sell out; after April 1st, I will delete my old blogs, and my bookmarks, and never look back.

You get what you deserve; enjoy your $$$$$$.......
Today would be 5 years since my join date 2/29/2012, or same difference, no leap year.
Quoting 145. BaltimoreBrian:

MaxWeather you could just use a general blogging site and post a link to it--let people go there.


I just don't think that taking people off WU to a 3rd party blog will be what I want. It's not going to be the same. Not everyone will join or care to comment anymore
So commenters can still leave comments, then that will remain the same? Or is this going to be completely gone and set up in a format unrecognizable and not the same at all? We can't blame Masters for selling. He did and stayed to keep up his work. But change did occur and it was not a good change and most of the great opiners on climate and weather left. They did not return. So there will be a blog very similar to this or not? This blog use to be where great passion lived. If it's coming back all shiny with no soul and the blog as we know it gone; then I like most will be gone like the good old days.
201. elioe
I think the changes will primarily do good. Those wishing to discuss U.S. weather can follow one thread. Those wishing to discuss global tropical weather can follow another thread. Those wishing to discuss climate change can follow another thread. And so on. And for a member to create their own blog entry, starting a new thread would replace that functionality.

But occasionally I like to look at old blog entries and their comments, and the comments will not be there anymore. That's somewhat sad.
All the comments and arguments over the demise of WU are really not a fitting way to remember the people Dr Masters and Bob said died in the tornadoes yesterday.

I have been a member here for 12 years, but life moves on.
New ideas, new experiences, and new ways of keeping in touch.

BTW - it is 40F and raining here in the UK!
203. elioe
And forget about any model agreement. While Euro and GFS agreed about a movement towards Mascarenes, they don't anymore. GFS, which showed very slow intensification for a long time, now shows peak intensity at 902 mbar before landfall on Reunion. Click to expand.



And now the Euro drags the cyclone just offshore of Eastern Madagascar, eventually making it move to the west and again making landfall.

While I'm not a huge fan of Disqus, thank god the comment system is changing - it's currently really susceptible to hacking, it's clunky, and stuff disappears at random... here's to a future full of continued good discussion.

By the way, have fonts changed for anyone else all over the site? It's weird.
205. elioe
Main Road 3 near Pirkkahalli, Tampere
9:25 Eastern European Time (UTC+2)
Air temperature +1.3 C
Road surface temperature +1.8 C



Forecast for the rest of the day: almost continuous mixed precipitation, turning to snow late on evening.
Quoting 201. elioe:

I think the changes will primarily do good. Those wishing to discuss U.S. weather can follow one thread. Those wishing to discuss global tropical weather can follow another thread. Those wishing to discuss climate change can follow another thread. And so on. And for a member to create their own blog entry, starting a new thread would replace that functionality.

But occasionally I like to look at old blog entries and their comments, and the comments will not be there anymore. That's somewhat sad.

I will miss the spread of topics offered, i.e. the push part of the pull medium. Compare it with an open library - you're checking the sheles randomly and find something you didn't specifically look for, which widens the personal horizon and for me opens up a lot of creativity.
Quoting 203. elioe:

And forget about any model agreement. While Euro and GFS agreed about a movement towards Mascarenes, they don't anymore. GFS, which showed very slow intensification for a long time, now shows peak intensity at 902 mbar before landfall on Reunion. Click to expand.
And now the Euro drags the cyclone just offshore of Eastern Madagascar, eventually making it move to the west and again making landfall.

Indeed. I'm sort of disappointed of the Euro's erratic moves.
208. elioe
Quoting 207. EmsiNasklug:


Indeed. I'm sort of disappointed of the Euro's erratic moves.



This time, there are two special reasons, why I would wish for more agreement.

1) WU member Carnivorous can't finalize his/her travel plans.

2) I live in the understanding, that Josh Morgerman of iCyclone plans to chase in SW Indian Ocean this season, as part of a French documentary. Getting from America to a specific chase location could take almost two days.
Quoting 20. BobHenson:

Bob

Well Bob, it's like this. It looks to me that everything that made WU what it is is going away. WU is being replaced with something else. An entire culture is dying...or being archived.

History, and the info so far available, suggests that the "something else" won't be an improvement to or for the people who built that culture. Those people are why other people like me came to this site. I joined during the excitement of Wilma. I've learned a lot since then from Dr. Masters and from those that post here, as well as the blogs of those people. (I won't name names for fear I'll leave someone out.) Those personal blogs will be gone. I wonder if those people will stay in numbers sufficient to ensure the health of Category6? We'll find out.

Btw, I do not begrudge Dr. Masters his right or his decision to sell WU. I think it's great that someone turned their love of weather into a powerhouse in what was then a new medium. I think it's great that he sold it and made some money. That's what America is about. I appreciate every single aspect of that process, start to finish.

That doesn't mean I have to embrace the outcome of that process. I'll form a final opinion 3Apr or shortly thereafter. However, based on the information at hand I have to say it looks like my opinion likely will be negative. But I'll try to keep an open mind.
Quoting 203. elioe:

And forget about any model agreement. While Euro and GFS agreed about a movement towards Mascarenes, they don't anymore. GFS, which showed very slow intensification for a long time, now shows peak intensity at 902 mbar before landfall on Reunion. Click to expand.



And now the Euro drags the cyclone just offshore of Eastern Madagascar, eventually making it move to the west and again making landfall.




I'm predicting somethin around 150-160 mph may be higher...depends if 95S really rapidly intensifies E. of Madagascar.
WHAT IS GOING ON.....WU IS FALLING APART...LOOKING FOR ANOTHER WEATHER SITE
Quoting 2. whitewabit:

Everytime we get a new and improved WU by the powers to be all the changes SUCK .. YOU WON'T SEE WU IN ANOTHER 2 YEARS IT WILL BE CLOSED DOWN DUE TO LACK OF USE .. EVERYONE WILL BE LEAVING .. AND IT WILL BE SOONER THEN LATER !!!

Dr Master and others in selling this has made their pockets full but trashed all the people that actually made this site what it is .. Especially during Hurricane Season !!

I've been here since before August 2005 .. and have see the changes made degrade everything we have worked for ..

BYE !!!
Quoting 14. whitewabit:



Not mad Keep .. Just very disappointed for the members that made WU what it is .. not Masters or any of the others in management .. We made WU what it is and we will be the ones to leave and make it what it will be ..

Look at the handles in the blogs .. mostly all new .. all that were here when WU was good have left and the stragglers like me hoping it would change back to where it was are very few .. and now looking like we will leave too..

We'll leave it to people that have no idea how good the site once was and now what it has turned into ..
Very good post, yes this site has really changed since it's inception, and usually for the worst. Lets see what the new changes will bring, hopefully we can keep all the Climate Change and Political comments on separate blogs, that would be worth staying for. Lets wish for the best, as their are veryfew good weather sites left.
evac is counting his profits as the trump "feel good" rally persist. first thing i look at is the markets run since 2008. up and up and away pretty much since then. only a fortune teller can predict the future market but looking at the chart this rally might be short lived. instead of a feel good rally it could turn into that guy is a fibber crash
Quoting 185. StormDrain:

I have written a blog on my thoughts I will post in a minute. The only time wasted here has been mine when I hung in because I cared about this community and weather, especially severe.

I don't see an answer from me from him, so I guess Keeper feels like he made his point.

The dots, these: Ones drawn that confuse climate and weather, and the dots connected in ink as to causal relationships that are, at best, not yet penciled in.

180. Snacker2
Oh dear. Of course I'm mistaken...
Good luck to you. If you're in the U.S., you might want to talk to your congressman. I hope you adapt well.
Sincerely.

Ps. Maybe you missed the bolded part when you skimmed through my comment:
Quoting 154. StormDrain:

"Presuming they are settled... Weather is what interests farmers and ranchers, not climate. You know questions like, is it gonna rain? frost? When's this wind gonna stop? Will I get enough hay this season? That's weather. You wanna wait 30 years in one place? If you do, then you can say you've dealt with "climate."

Far too much speculation about what's gonna happen goes on in these blog comments. Far too many lines drawn connecting dot to dot when no dots exist."
I wish I could plus this comment more than once. I will wait and see, before I decide to stay or leave.
Quoting 212. NativeSun:

Very good post, yes this site has really changed since it's inception, and usually for the worst. Lets see what the new changes will bring, hopefully we can keep all the Climate Change and Political comments on separate blogs, that would be worth staying for. Lets wish for the best, as their are veryfew good weather sites left.


Slowly over the past couple years, this blog stopped being a place for discussing daily weather and upcoming forecasts. Over time so many informative and intelligent people have left the blog. They left the blog because of a clear agenda being forced into every blog (not by Dr. Masters but by a small group of members).
If anyone said anything questioning their "agenda" they would be attacked and told to leave (trolls).

How many AGW articles need to be in every blog? We have members that copy and paste AGW articles all day long into the blog. There should be a limit to the number of comments some members should be able to post. They are flooding the blog with their agenda.



Quoting 185. StormDrain:

I have written a blog on my thoughts I will post in a minute. The only time wasted here has been mine when I hung in because I cared about this community and weather, especially severe.
SNIP Maybe you missed the bolded part when you skimmed through my comment:
SNIP


We're directly addressing your comment. Look, if someone posts some opinion in a weather blog and don't want to hear any response, then ... I guess you will have to come up with your own description of yourself, because all you can hear is your own echo.
Good Morning Folks: here is the Conus forecast for today and current look: nice and slightly cooler high pressure moving in across the Southern tier this morning:


And the storm-high wind reports from yesterday; amazing at 636 events including a few tornados.


yesterday Reports Graphic
Quoting 208. elioe:



This time, there are two special reasons, why I would wish for more agreement.

1) WU member Carnivorous can't finalize his/her travel plans.

2) I live in the understanding, that Josh Morgerman of iCyclone plans to chase in SW Indian Ocean this season, as part of a French documentary. Getting from America to a specific chase location could take almost two days.


Yeah, that 00z Euro run was really scary... There now seems to be great agreement by all models that a very strong cyclone will form north of the Mascarene Islands (06z GFS even has it strengthening to 892 mb). But where it goes from there is still uncertain at the moment.

I will arrive in Madagascar tomorrow so let's see...
And in defense of all of the Blog comments on here, including Dr, Masters frequent posts as to AGW, global warming is "the" weather story of the 20th and 21st Century and you cannot discuss recent weather events including rain, snow, blocking patterns in the jet, precipitation flooding events, drought, etc. in today's weather regime without noting the impact of AGW.  It affects all of us and Dr. Masters in concerned about this issue and posts blogs, and links to research, so that we can educate ourselves if not blinded to this issue by ideological or economic, and not scientific, perspectives.

We are living in a remarkable time related to weather as we are the first modern day generation alive to see a rapid warming of  the Earth in real time and seeing the immediate impacts.................If you just want regular weather, without the science behind it, you can just watch your local met forecast but if you want to understand and go deeper, this is a good place to start. 
And on the issue of drought, here is the US Monitor issued this morning: California got it's fill over the last several weeks but starting to see an uptick again in the Tri-State region area (North GA region), to the right of where we had the devastating fires last year in Gatlinburg.


Current U.S. Drought Monitor
Quoting 212. NativeSun:

Very good post, yes this site has really changed since it's inception, and usually for the worst. Lets see what the new changes will bring, hopefully we can keep all the Climate Change and Political comments on separate blogs, that would be worth staying for. Lets wish for the best, as their are veryfew good weather sites left.


That's my thing.
This is a quality weather blog but I'd much rather not hear about climate change if it means tearing each other apart over it. Some very knowledgeable bloggers, but politics and views often get in the way of real problems.
For example, sometimes Ill see an article posted on here about climate change and some people act like it's a matter of debate; that the article was just fuel for some climate change argument. OR the article was posted in order to create an argument.

Not everything warrants argument. I read the comments to learn, not argue with anyone.
Quoting 211. jmystic:

WHAT IS GOING ON.....WU IS FALLING APART...LOOKING FOR ANOTHER WEATHER SITE
so am I
Quoting 211. jmystic:

WHAT IS GOING ON.....WU IS FALLING APART...LOOKING FOR ANOTHER WEATHER SITE


Well, does anyone have any ideas?
Quoting 215. Sfloridacat5:



Slowly over the past couple years, this blog stopped being a place for discussing daily weather and upcoming forecasts. Over time so many informative and intelligent people have left the blog. They left the blog because of a clear agenda being forced into every blog.
If anyone said anything questioning their "agenda" they would be attacked and told to leave (trolls).

How many AGW articles need to be in every blog? We have members that copy and paste AGW articles all day long into the blog. They are flooding the blog with their agenda.






Anthropogenic climate change is going to be the defining issue of the 21st century. The Pentagon, not exactly know for harboring progressive "agendas", has stated as much. The geopolitical upheaval that climate change is already causing, dwarfs in comparison to what lies on the horizon. The Pentagon's job is to account for geopolitical turbulence, and so climate change is now a preeminent variable in their forecasts.

The simple truth is that anthropogenic climate change is a scientific reality. Don't confuse being contradicted with persecution.
From Grist:

BRAIN-TWISTER



Here are 4 ways climate change is messing with our brains — for the worse. We might think of climate change as purely physical: wildfires blazing through forests, rising seas lapping at the doors of coastal homes.

But those brutal conditions also affect our mental health, changing how we think and act. Mental health professionals are paying attention to the link between climate change and emotional health — and health insurance companies are, too.

Here are some of the impacts they’re concerned about. (Hat tip: CBS.)

Disasters like floods, tornadoes, and drought have been found to trigger PTSD, anxiety, depression, and drug abuse.

Slight increases in heat or rainfall have been found to raise the risk of riots and civil wars, as well as crimes like rape and murder.

Babies in the womb who are exposed to urban air pollutants from fossil fuels are more likely to develop anxiety or depression later in life.

Many people now experience “climate anxiety” — feeling depressed and overwhelmed by you-know-what — and support groups have emerged to help them.

That’s just the beginning of what we’re in for. So time to calm down, screw our heads on straight, and get to work fixing the climate problem.
227. SuzK
Anyone can create their own blog and make it about weather. It doesn't have to be here. If WU or TWC doesn't want to support that kind of platform, there is plenty of blog space out there. Just put a link to your blog when you post. Deciding to leave is like throwing a tantrum. Just wait, and see what really happens. Maybe there will be more to read, maybe not. You will never know if you leave. I'm sure Scott can make a blog of his own, he seems pretty capable. Change happens. Try to roll with it, rather than be obliterated by it.
Excellent article! It brought together various expert opinions and observations, good radar and visual evidence. It also mentioned the correlation of the Missouri-southern Illinois 1925 and 2017 tornado path events. I, too would like to see modern technologies' data capture of the Tristate Tornado, but we will never know. If that event occurred in modern times, there would still be a heavy death toll due to the increased population density and there is always a number of folks who just will miss out on warnings and the perception of an incipient impact from such a devastating tornado. The SPC did a great job in getting early warnings out as well as forecasting this event days in advance. They also accurately got the affected regions.
SSTs now running about 2-3C below average in the far eastern tropical Atlantic. Not likely to last though.
Excellent article! It brought together various expert opinions and observations, good radar and visual evidence. It also mentioned the correlation of the Missouri-southern Illinois 1925 and 2017 tornado path events. I, too would like to see modern technologies' data capture of the Tristate Tornado, but we will never know. If that event occurred in modern times, there would still be a heavy death toll due to the increased population density and there is always a number of folks who just will miss out on warnings and the perception of an incipient impact from such a devastating tornado. The SPC did a great job in getting early warnings out as well as forecasting this event days in advance. They also accurately got the affected regions.
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Quoting 215. Sfloridacat5:



Slowly over the past couple years, this blog stopped being a place for discussing daily weather and upcoming forecasts. Over time so many informative and intelligent people have left the blog. They left the blog because of a clear agenda being forced into every blog (not by Dr. Masters but by a small group of members).
If anyone said anything questioning their "agenda" they would be attacked and told to leave (trolls).

How many AGW articles need to be in every blog? We have members that copy and paste AGW articles all day long into the blog. There should be a limit to the number of comments some members should be able to post. They are flooding the blog with their agenda.




THERE NEEDS TO BE A NEW BLOG FOR CLIMATE CHANGE AND EVERYONE WOULD BE HAPPY, IM JUST HERE FOR THE WEATHER, MISS THE OLD DAYS FOR SURE...
I've appreciated WU more than any blog I've been at over the years. It's a unique place. Spent countless hours here reading great information, getting before the news updates on severe weather, and some of the best tropical updates around during hurricane season. It's personal, you make friends, it's a shared experience. This is a personal blog which will never be replaced adequately with a comment section. It's just not even the same neighborhood, it's completely different. Now if WU is going to maintain a blog, I'd stay. But I gather that is not the plan at all. And that's their right, WU is corporate owned, and they're going to do what their going to do. I always felt this blog is what made WU unique. Jeff's posts were amazing and the conversations they started were unique. I sincerely hope something similar is out there. I want to thank all the amazing people I've met here through the years. You all have meant a lot to me, and I will sincerely miss you. It's been a good run. Peace.
Lordy, we do have a wunderblog directory......maybe browse it sometime.


Quoting 213. islander101010:

evac is counting his profits as the trump "feel good" rally persist. first thing i look at is the markets run since 2008. up and up and away pretty much since then. only a fortune teller can predict the future market but looking at the chart this rally might be short lived. instead of a feel good rally it could turn into that guy is a fibber crash


Oh it's gonna crash some day folks, and bigly....guaranteed like the sun will rise tomm.
This blog is not going anywhere, so roll up yer sleeves and do what ya do.


Many comment here and have never opened their own blog. It matters not.

A single voice can influence change in positive ways daily.


Be all one can be. We were social networking here way before the net caught up. The hate that did reside here is all gone mostly.

We had not 1 political entry last year...as those former members took the hate to FB a long time ago.


Maybe try the ol wetherbunka?

: p
Washburn, IL tornado footage Link
Hence my confusion. There will be a blog? Based on what The Doc said yesterday, I got the strong impression the blog as it now exists will be completely gone. So blog still as opposed to a comment section. People can still upload pics and information to the blog to come?
From New Scientist:

Snow will melt more slowly in a warmer world – here’s why



As global temperatures rise, snow will melt more slowly. Yes, you read that right – more slowly.

Warmer global temperatures will lead to less snow in many mountainous areas, says Keith Musselman, a hydrologist at the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colorado.

That thinner layer of snow will be less likely to last into the late spring and early summer, when melting rates are highest.

Instead, it will melt slowly throughout the winter and early spring, when night-time temperatures are lower and there is less direct sunlight, releasing just a trickle of water instead of a sudden gush. In short, a warming planet will cause the snow to melt sooner but more slowly.

[...]

A slower melting rate will have serious consequences for the water cycle in areas that rely heavily on the snowpack as a water source, such as the mountains of the western US.

A gentler trickle is more prone to evaporate or be sucked up by plants, making it less likely to make it into streams and groundwater reservoirs.

The slower, earlier melt could also mean fewer large spring floods – which may reassure people living along mountain rivers, but is bad news for those river systems overall. “It will have negative impacts on those ecosystems that rely on a big flush of water,” says Musselman, such as many mountain river systems, and on people who live downstream.

[...]

Journal reference: Nature Climate Change, DOI: 10.1038/NCLIMATE3225

Click here to read full article.
We love to talk about the weather, but when there is no weather I don't see any problem with talking about something else, e.g. climate changes or politics.
I doubt that we will be unable to make comments just as we have done. And when hurricane season comes, that's all we'll talk about in these parts. Just like always.
For those who want a better blog, make sure you come here and participate in your own way. We be lovin' ya. It's you peeps who make the blog what it is. Not some changes in the platform.
I also will miss the archives, but I got rainbowed a lot already, so let's move on.
Quoting 238. DeepSeaRising:

Hence my confusion. There will be a blog? Based on what The Doc said yesterday, I got the strong impression the blog as it now exists will be completely gone. So blog still as opposed to a comment section. People can still upload pics and information to the blog to come?


lmao, yes dude, are we on different planets?
One of the best things about the comment section to this blog is that we are able to share real time weather info from bloggers in different parts of the US, and the world, and particularly during a severe weather event............That feature will hopefully still be available in one form or another as I love hearing these reports daily and particularly during hurricane season when we get info from Bloggers in the Caribbean............That alone is worth the price of admission so to speak in additional to all of the other informative posts and comments. 
Feature? That is the community participating here, it is not any feature. It is a practice of conscience.






Quoting 229. HurricaneFan:

SSTs now running about 2-3C below average in the far eastern tropical Atlantic. Not likely to last though.

Quoting 242. weathermanwannabe:

One of the best things about the comment section to this blog is that we are able to share real time weather info from bloggers in different parts of the US, and the world, and particularly during a severe weather event............That feature will hopefully still be available in one form or another as I love hearing these reports daily and particularly during hurricane season when we get info from Bloggers in the Caribbean............That alone is worth the price of admission so to speak in additional to all of the other informative posts and comments. 


The blog will be running on new software next month, which should be more reliable. The new software does not easily allow thousands of different blogs, and this was part of the reason for discontinuing all of the user blogs and just having one blog, Category 6. The new commenting software for the blog will allow users to upload images and write text, with multiple nested comment threads allowed. You can choose your own handle for the comment section. Mine will be "Jeff Masters".

Jeff Masters
And here are the most recent shots (JTWC from yesterday and Meteosat from today) of 95S in the Indian Ocean....................Looking much more impressive this morning as forecast by the recent model runs: very big circulation trying to get it's act together based on the very long proto-banding features out in the NW quad:





Quoting 240. ChiThom:

We love to talk about the weather, but when there is no weather I don't see any problem with talking about something else, e.g. climate changes or politics.
I doubt that we will be unable to make comments just as we have done. And when hurricane season comes, that's all we'll talk about in these parts. Just like always.
For those who want a better blog, make sure you come here and participate in your own way. We be lovin' ya. It's you peeps who make the blog what it is. Not some changes in the platform.
I also will miss the archives, but I got rainbowed a lot already, so let's move on.
Hi Chi, I have no problem with anybody talking about what ever they desire, just not on this weather blog, if you want to talk politics, find a political blog to discuss your views, Climate Change discussion, go to Dr. Roods Blog, or if his blog is not to your taste, find another Climate Change Blog to discuss your views. This is a weather blog that people come to, to discuss their local weather or world weather, so lets discuss the weather. The trouble with the Climate Change, and Political post , is people become very argumentive on these subjects which ruin the blog topic, and it's always the same topic over and over. Noting, and I mean nothing will ever get accomplished on this or any other website, to help change the Political or Climate Change problem, so why yell and scream at the opposing views of people you don't even know, thus ruining the blog for people that would like to learn a thing or two about the weather.
Will wu mail be accessible if needed in a court case ?


How does the removal of the blogs,personal ones, jive with the members contract?
Quoting 239. Xandra:

From New Scientist:

Snow will melt more slowly in a warmer world – here’s why



As global temperatures rise, snow will melt more slowly. Yes, you read that right – more slowly.

Warmer global temperatures will lead to less snow in many mountainous areas, says Keith Musselman, a hydrologist at the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colorado.

That thinner layer of snow will be less likely to last into the late spring and early summer, when melting rates are highest.

Instead, it will melt slowly throughout the winter and early spring, when night-time temperatures are lower and there is less direct sunlight, releasing just a trickle of water instead of a sudden gush. In short, a warming planet will cause the snow to melt sooner but more slowly.

[...]

A slower melting rate will have serious consequences for the water cycle in areas that rely heavily on the snowpack as a water source, such as the mountains of the western US.

A gentler trickle is more prone to evaporate or be sucked up by plants, making it less likely to make it into streams and groundwater reservoirs.

The slower, earlier melt could also mean fewer large spring floods – which may reassure people living along mountain rivers, but is bad news for those river systems overall. “It will have negative impacts on those ecosystems that rely on a big flush of water,” says Musselman, such as many mountain river systems, and on people who live downstream.

[...]

Journal reference: Nature Climate Change, DOI: 10.1038/NCLIMATE3225

Click here to read full article.


What seems to be happening up here, as spring comes earlier, most of the snow just sublimes (evaporates directly into the atmosphere) .... almost no water running down the streets. I used to have a serious stream in my back yard for two weeks or more, now we get the stream for maybe three days. Anecdotal observation only, no empirical measurements .... but I've been watching this for forty years.

ABIO10 PGTW 011800
MSGID/GENADMIN/JOINT TYPHOON WRNCEN PEARL HARBOR HI//
SUBJ/SIGNIFICANT TROPICAL WEATHER ADVISORY FOR THE INDIAN
/OCEAN/011800Z-021800ZMAR2017//
RMKS/
1. NORTH INDIAN OCEAN AREA (MALAY PENINSULA WEST TO COAST OF AFRICA):
A. TROPICAL CYCLONE SUMMARY: NONE.
B. TROPICAL DISTURBANCE SUMMARY: NONE.
2. SOUTH INDIAN OCEAN AREA (135E WEST TO COAST OF AFRICA):
A. TROPICAL CYCLONE SUMMARY: NONE.
B. TROPICAL DISTURBANCE SUMMARY:
(1) THE AREA OF CONVECTION (INVEST 95S) PREVIOUSLY LOCATED
NEAR 8.3S 69.0E, IS NOW LOCATED NEAR 9.7S 67.9E, APPROXIMATELY 305
NM WEST-SOUTHWEST OF DIEGO GARCIA. ANIMATED ENHANCED INFRARED
SATELLITE IMAGERY, A 010450Z ASCAT PASS, AND A 011431Z 91 GHZ SSMIS
IMAGE DEPICT DISORGANIZED CONVECTION DEVELOPING ALONG THE
SOUTHWESTERN PERIPHERY OF A WEAK AND ELONGATED LOW LEVEL CIRCULATION
CENTER. UPPER LEVEL ANALYSIS INDICATES INCREASING EQUATORWARD
AND POLEWARD DIFFLUENCE ALOFT, AND MODERATE, BUT DECREASING,
EASTERLY VERTICAL WIND SHEAR. SEA SURFACE TEMPERATURES ABOVE 28C ARE
CONDUCIVE FOR FURTHER DEVELOPMENT. GLOBAL MODELS SHOW THE
DISTURBANCE TRACKING GENERALLY SOUTHWARD TO SOUTHWESTWARD AND
CONSOLIDATING INTO A TROPICAL CYCLONE OVER THE NEXT 2-3 DAYS.
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED SURFACE WINDS ARE ESTIMATED AT 15 TO 20 KNOTS.
MINIMUM SEA LEVEL PRESSURE IS ESTIMATED TO BE NEAR 1005 MB. BASED ON
FAVORABLE ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS AND MULTIPLE MODEL DEVELOPMENT,
THE POTENTIAL FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF A SIGNIFICANT TROPICAL CYCLONE
WITHIN THE NEXT 24 HOURS IS UPGRADED TO MEDIUM.



It was a much better decisions to use the blue bar and "FAQ's" here at the top of the page to inform us to our blogs ending, than the decision to end classic wu with a non descript admin who rolled it out in a Blog entry.

So, although improvement in the message format is appreciated, the news is still terribly upsetting for many members.




Im claiming Rogue1 as my new drupal handle. The papers have been filed.

: P


Quoting 247. NativeSun:



So, how often do you have to ban Dr. Masters for violating your rules?
Quoting 252. Patrap:

Im claiming Rogue1 as my new drupal handle. The papers have been filed.

: P




Well, I *was* going to use "Jeff Masters" as my handle...but I see that's already taken. Now I don't know what to go with. (Can't wait to see the inevitable, unsolicited suggestions.)
Quoting 248. Patrap:

Will wu mail be accessible if needed in a court case ?


How does the removal of the blogs,personal ones, jive with the members contract?



For what Pat?
I regret that I have but one entry, to write for my wunderblog. It will be lengthy, deep, humor filled and in the end, a sad final entry.

My family here and at Home are intertwined in so many wunderful ways that it will be the core of that final entry.

Many members have visited and 2 lived with us for a time. 33 in all.

It has been a long and interesting winding road, but we have endured as a family..and will continue as family, even in a limited way here. The wunderblogs have taught me one crucial life lesson, the one's and zero's of Binary language is compatible and can be influenced by Human thought.

I have no doubt of that.

AI or the singularity is coming over the Horizon today, and this entity knows us all well.

The merge is coming, the ability to actually see change daily is upon us.

Stay Human.

I do not plan to discontinue writing here, it was and is my muse of love and concern.
Quoting 245. JeffMasters:



The blog will be running on new software next month, which should be more reliable. The new software does not easily allow thousands of different blogs, and this was part of the reason for discontinuing all of the user blogs and just having one blog, Category 6. The new commenting software for the blog will allow users to upload images and write text, with multiple nested comment threads allowed. You can choose your own handle for the comment section. Mine will be "Jeff Masters".

Jeff Masters



hmmm...so we have to pick new names.....what name can i pick to be the most annoying......hmmmm......oh i got it

RICDERR........yeah..that's the ticket
Its was a hypothetical question R&I, nothing more to it than dat.

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Quoting 256. Patrap:

I regret that I have but one entry, to write for my wunderblog. It will be lengthy, deep, humor filled and in the end, a sad final entry.

My family here and at Home are intertwined in so many wunderful ways that it will be the core of that final entry.

Many members have visited and 2 lived with us for a time. 33 in all.

It has been a long and interesting winding road, but we have endured as a family..and will continue as family, even in a limited way here. The wunderblogs have taught me one crucial life lesson, the one's and zero's of Binary language is compatible and can be influenced by Human thought.

I have no doubt of that.

AI or the singularity is coming over the Horizon today, and this entity knows us all well.

The merge is coming, the ability to actually see change daily is upon us.

Stay Human.

I do not plan to discontinue writing here, it was and is my muse of love and concern.



stay human?.....crap...i was planning to go ape
Quoting 260. ricderr:




stay human?.....crap...i was planning to go ape

This is serious. Quit monkeying around.
I know many here will disagree with me, but I look forward to the new forum format. As a long-time enterprise-level software engineer myself with many dozens of high-volume mobile and web apps on my resume, I've often wondered just how long WU would be able and willing to maintain this obviously aging and faltering homegrown forum system that was long ago surpassed in features, expansibility, ease-of-maintenance, and ease-of-use by other off-the-shelf components. I've been here through many of the odd outages and generally weird behavior, clear indications to me that the whole thing isn't too far from collapsing in on itself despite the best efforts of a lot of people (and, likely, a lot of money). So from that point of view alone, I think the revised forum will be a winner.

I'm thrilled that the new system will allow multiple threads, the standard in forum software. That way, we can have those compartmentalized discussions that organically branch out into different areas, all without bothering those who'd rather not read about, say, football, or politics, or climate change, or fishing, or whatever.

I know firsthand how much some don't like change; it's difficult to see things go away once you've become used to them. I stand in line at the grocery store every week behind people writing paper checks; I have family members who still watch movies on VHS, and won't even consider DVDs (much less online streaming); a handful of my clients absolutely insist on faxing because they don't trust email. But technical progress, like evolution itself, is unstoppable, and shouldn't be feared.
Quoting 260. ricderr:




stay human?.....crap...i was planning to go ape


I am an apeman already
College of DuPage Meteorology
Severe Weather and Flash Flood Warnings
Note: This page will reload every 2 minutes. Warnings are listed with the most recent first.
Click on the station ID to bring up list of recent severe weather statements.

No severe warnings in past 3 hours





Quoting 261. Misanthroptimist:


This is serious. Quit monkeying around.

i can't hear you





Quoting 247. NativeSun:

Hi Chi, I have no problem with anybody talking about what ever they desire, just not on this weather blog, if you want to talk politics, find a political blog to discuss your views, Climate Change discussion, go to Dr. Roods Blog, or if his blog is not to your taste, find another Climate Change Blog to discuss your views. This is a weather blog that people come to, to discuss their local weather or world weather, so lets discuss the weather. The trouble with the Climate Change, and Political post , is people become very argumentive on these subjects which ruin the blog topic, and it's always the same topic over and over. Noting, and I mean nothing will ever get accomplished on this or any other website, to help change the Political or Climate Change problem, so why yell and scream at the opposing views of people you don't even know, thus ruining the blog for people that would like to learn a thing or two about the weather.

So, are you saying that when the blog topic IS climate change (which occurs from time to time), the comments that follow should not mention climate change?
267. elioe
GFS, please stop.

Quoting 267. elioe:

GFS, please stop.




Please, GFS, do not trend any farther west than that! I really don't want to be anything closer than 500 miles to this thing...
Quoting 247. NativeSun:

Hi Chi, I have no problem with anybody talking about what ever they desire, just not on this weather blog, if you want to talk politics, find a political blog to discuss your views, Climate Change discussion, go to Dr. Roods Blog, or if his blog is not to your taste, find another Climate Change Blog to discuss your views. This is a weather blog that people come to, to discuss their local weather or world weather, so lets discuss the weather. The trouble with the Climate Change, and Political post , is people become very argumentive on these subjects which ruin the blog topic, and it's always the same topic over and over. Noting, and I mean nothing will ever get accomplished on this or any other website, to help change the Political or Climate Change problem, so why yell and scream at the opposing views of people you don't even know, thus ruining the blog for people that would like to learn a thing or two about the weather.


This is a WEATHER blog. The scientific reality of anthropogenic climate change is quite pertinent to a meteorology blog. It should not be avoided just because certain commentators are in denial.
Quoting 236. Patrap:

This blog is not going anywhere, so roll up yer sleeves and do what ya do.


Many comment here and have never opened their own blog. It matters not.

A single voice can influence change in positive ways daily.


Be all one can be. We were social networking here way before the net caught up. The hate that did reside here is all gone mostly.

We had not 1 political entry last year...as those former members took the hate to FB a long time ago.


Maybe try the ol wetherbunka?

: p


Yep, we were social networking before all that caught on, in 2005 we were all doing it. Ahead of our time.
Source/updates: Meteo-France Link 1 / Link 2
Quoting 211. jmystic:

WHAT IS GOING ON.....WU IS FALLING APART...LOOKING FOR ANOTHER WEATHER SITE


...????
Looks to me like the core of 95S is about to go off based on this latest vis shot............firing convection right over the coc which will start to lower pressures and increase wind speeds over the next 24 hours once it mixes out that pocket of dry air:

By the way, is anyone else having font issues? Fonts are wonky all over the site right now.
Still uncertainties about the track of 95S, so of course the forecast I posted could change substantially (hence Link 1, Link 2 for updates).
And also note the favorable shear out ahead of 95S and the anticyclone just behind the core: that is helping with the out flow channel in the Eastward quad.




It's trying to stack up:

2005 w. u. way ahead of the times? oh no. the dead followers had the chat with the internet hookups mid 80s. many of these pioneers ended up leaders of the calif. tech age. first hurricane blog "palm beach post"was right after Andrew.
Quoting 225. WU_760842:



Anthropogenic climate change is going to be the defining issue of the 21st century.
...

The simple truth is that anthropogenic climate change is a scientific reality.

In the new blog, this statement should replace the rather strange
The views of the author are his/her own and do not necessarily represent the position of The Weather Company or its parent, IBM.
Here are the two most recent shots from RAMMB; shaping up to be a very formidable storm:


Quoting 269. WU_760842:



This is a WEATHER blog. The scientific reality of anthropogenic climate change is quite pertinent to a meteorology blog. It should not be avoided just because certain commentators are in denial.
It's not so much that people are in denial, it's like religion and politics, very few people can have a conversation about it, without the outcome becoming argumentive. I see very few if any arguments on here concerning the weather.
Patrap P' is the name
And I served on the wunderblog train
'Till IBM's's cavalry came
And tore up the blogs again

In the winter of '17
We were the blogs, just barely alive
By March the 10th, the main blog had fell
It's a time I remember, oh so well

The night they drove the wunderblogs down
And the bells were ringing
The night they drove the wunderblogs down
And the people were singing
They went, "Na, na, la, na, na, na"

Back with my wife in New Orleans
When one day she called to me
Said "Patrick, quick, come see,
There goes the Dr. from wu you see!"

Now, I don't mind blogging wood
And I don't care if the comment's no good
You take what you need
And you leave the rest
But they should never
Have taken the very best

The night they drove the wunderblogs down
And the bells were ringing
The night they drove the wunderblogs down
And all the people were singing
They went, "Na, na, la, na, na, na"








Quoting 201. elioe:

I think the changes will primarily do good. Those wishing to discuss U.S. weather can follow one thread. Those wishing to discuss global tropical weather can follow another thread. Those wishing to discuss climate change can follow another thread. And so on. And for a member to create their own blog entry, starting a new thread would replace that functionality.

But occasionally I like to look at old blog entries and their comments, and the comments will not be there anymore. That's somewhat sad.


It won't work: separating those things is like trying to separate the dancer from the dance, the stage it happens on, and what has happened on the stage before hand. Sure you can do that temporarily as a method of analysis, but if you don't reassemble them to re-appreciate them in their wholeness, all you have is separate piles of anemic pap.

*Just my opinion. Don't want to get in to 'sumbuddy hasta be right' thing~
Reference "Climate Change". In the next 60 years will we see flooded areas as a norm in Florida? Will Ski areas in North Carolina, Virginia, Maryland close?

While this may happen, will it be the norm? I should think we are pushing the disasters into a time compression, "within our lifetime".

Me thinks we are rushing too fast when Mom Nature says, "um, not yet".

Of course we will have tornado, hurricane disasters, record snows and rain will fit this patterned also. After all, our climate records are not much older than human life (discounting fossil records)
Parts of coastal Miami (South Dade) and Miami Beach already flood in during high tides hence the new pumping systems on Miami Beach to help alleviate this issue...................Don't know how bad it might be in 60 years.............It will be a real problem if the core of a hurricane ever comes ashore in these parts during a high tide mark. And this bigger issue is salt water intrusion into the South Florida aquifer; this continues to happen year round; fresh water might be harder to find there over the next few decades before parts of the peninsula down there are actually under water at many coastal locations unless they build desalinization plants and build some sea walls............That is an infrastructure issue.
Quoting 262. Neapolitan:

I know many here will disagree with me, but I look forward to the new forum format. As a long-time enterprise-level software engineer myself with many dozens of high-volume mobile and web apps on my resume, I've often wondered just how long WU would be able and willing to maintain this obviously aging and faltering homegrown forum system that was long ago surpassed in features, expansibility, ease-of-maintenance, and ease-of-use by other off-the-shelf components. I've been here through many of the odd outages and generally weird behavior, clear indications to me that the whole thing isn't too far from collapsing in on itself despite the best efforts of a lot of people (and, likely, a lot of money). So from that point of view alone, I think the revised forum will be a winner.

I'm thrilled that the new system will allow multiple threads, the standard in forum software. That way, we can have those compartmentalized discussions that organically branch out into different areas, all without bothering those who'd rather not read about, say, football, or politics, or climate change, or fishing, or whatever.

I know firsthand how much some don't like change; it's difficult to see things go away once you've become used to them. I stand in line at the grocery store every week behind people writing paper checks; I have family members who still watch movies on VHS, and won't even consider DVDs (much less online streaming); a handful of my clients absolutely insist on faxing because they don't trust email. But technical progress, like evolution itself, is unstoppable, and shouldn't be feared.


You must be young, and with excess time on your hands. The reason we don't want to be bothered with any more G*& D@#$%d technology is that the damn sh*t won't stay still! My spouse got me one of the (now already old) 'smart-phones' (my old flip phone went through the wash~) and I hated the thinig so much that I insisted on it being replaced with a flip phone. If I lived alone I would have a landline dial phone and no answering machine. To anyone that remembers what living a simple life was like.... before the internet.... before cable TV etc etc, this constantly changing technocrap is, despite the occasional convenience of quick shopping and quick information, regular harassment.

And, separately, addressing once again the division we have between current weather and climate change, insisting on current weather only is about like insisting that you be served your Earl Grey as the Titanic that you're on is listing to the side. I'm not saying that it's WRONG.... I myself have been escaping into quality foodie videos (hence my polite silence at that peas and mayo pizza yesterday.... Oh My!~) But I don't insist that others watch my foodie videos either.

Mehn~ Here's wishing you all the blog you would be wishing for yourselves~

Have a great day peeps~
I don't know what to say about the huge run to run inconsistency from the Euro... This model is mocking me!



It has the cyclone making landfall well north of my destination now...
Scott what do you think of this?
290. elioe
HWRF also joined the "fast intensification" group...

Quoting 281. NativeSun:
It's not so much that people are in denial, it's like religion and politics, very few people can have a conversation about it, without the outcome becoming argumentive. I see very few if any arguments on here concerning the weather.
Why argue about the weather when you can't change it? That's why it's such a safe conversation topic. Now climate, we are changing that.
Quoting 281. NativeSun:

It's not so much that people are in denial, it's like religion and politics, very few people can have a conversation about it, without the outcome becoming argumentive. I see very few if any arguments on here concerning the weather.


The cave and adobe people of S/Colorado and N/Mexico wished and prayed for the weather to change back.
Eventually they consumed each other.
Deniers are just cave and adobe people.
Crocodile Shark discovered in UK waters for first time

James Wright, curator at the National Marine Aquarium, said: "This species has never been recorded in the UK before, as it is normally found in deep waters during the day in tropical climates, such as Brazil and Australia, then coming shallower at night to feed.

"With the Crocodile Shark accustomed to much warmer waters, travelling so far and reaching colder waters would have caused a shock to its system and account for the cause of death.


That's most certainly odd. I do wonder how the shark ended up around the UK, given that UK waters are a good 1,000+ miles away from its normal range. A sign of faster warming at deeper levels of the ocean where the shark lives?
Every time I see a lot of plusses for a platitudinous, self serving diatribe I am reminded.

And I say, "Uh huh. Yep. No one should have been surprised."
It's just about a "wrap" now with 95S as it mixed out all of the dry air around the core there just a few hours ago; still dark in those parts so not sure if this is an eye that is trying to pop out..............That would represent a pretty rapid intensification phase over the past 12 hours. Daylight will tell later on this evening US time:



Dr. Masters, as well as Dr. Klotzbach, noted the high ACE content in the Indian ocean waters and the relative lack of early season storms there; looks like this one is going to take advantage of that stat:



There were weather chat rooms on CompuServe circa 1995. I was getting live updates from New Yorkers, blizzard of 1996. I was still living on Oahu.

And thankfully spellchuck hadn't been invented (or at least widely used).

Quoting 278. islander101010:

2005 w. u. way ahead of the times? oh no. the dead followers had the chat with the internet hookups mid 80s. many of these pioneers ended up leaders of the calif. tech age. first hurricane blog "palm beach post"was right after Andrew.
Quoting 291. bappit:

Why argue about the weather when you can't change it? That's why it's such a safe conversation topic. Now climate, we are changing that.


Late 70s/early 80s with a potential snow situation.. the number of arguments among the student forecasters about possible evolutions was huge.

I used to say, "watch for strong convergence". Esp. around the fax maps of that time.
Quoting 297. HaoleboySurfEC:

There were weather chat rooms on CompuServe circa 1995. I was getting live updates from New Yorkers, blizzard of 1996. I was still living on Oahu.

And thankfully spellchuck hadn't been invented (or at least widely used).



I was on Maui---
We had an incredible pipe out, as they had the illusion of creating a tech haven.
A great article on the history of Wunderground.com at the University of Michigan Bicentennial Web Project:

Wunderground.com: Democratizing Weather



"It's Monday, August 19, 1991. Hurricane Bob is roaring up the coast of New England and the public's everyday understanding of the weather will soon be forever changed.

In the Space Research Building on the University of Michigan's North Campus is a single Sun 4/110 workstation taking live satellite data from the National Weather Service. It organizes that data it into a simple, menu-based program and makes it available to everyone on the growing internet.

This real-time weather resource, referred to as UM-WEATHER, is the first of its kind, and not many people know about it. It had barely 100 weekly users since going live back in May, but with Hurricane Bob approaching, word of mouth boosts weekly usage to 25,000, with no slowdown in sight.

And the growth of UM-WEATHER would continue through 1995, when it would join the World Wide Web and eventually become the widely popular weather website still in use today: Weather Underground."

Full Article: Wunderground.com: Democratizing Weather
Strong polar or MUCH modified arctic outbreak over the Mid Atlantic Friday. I'd call it polar because it's very cold aloft and relatively warm at the surface but it's warm at the surface because it's passed over 800 miles of bare ground that is usually SNOW at this time of year and heated from below. If we had snow to, say, the Mason Dixon line, we might be looking at single digit lows Saturday morning rather than the low 20s we will actually get. 510dm thicknesses are very cold for this time of year, often not observed in March here. In an air mass this unstable, warm surface and bitter aloft, watch for small short waves which are usually crushed by stratification, to not be crushed, amplify, and deliver "surprises". These aren't initialized well so.. just watching.

I didn't take the bait and set cool season plants out except for broccoli seedlings which can take this. Strong sun was tempting but.. nope!

Quoting 286. weathermanwannabe:

Parts of coastal Miami (South Dade) and Miami Beach already flood in during high tides hence the new pumping systems on Miami Beach to help alleviate this issue...................Don't know how bad it might be in 60 years.............It will be a real problem if the core of a hurricane ever comes ashore in these parts during a high tide mark. And this bigger issue is salt water intrusion into the South Florida aquifer; this continues to happen year round; fresh water might be harder to find there over the next few decades before parts of the peninsula down there are actually under water at many coastal locations unless they build desalinization plants and build some sea walls............That is an infrastructure issue.

I think that what those who are alive in 60 years will be using a grid type system for water distribution. The days of local collection are probably numbered and systems such as the big rivers will be filtered and distributed to areas without sufficient resources.
Of course many people will disagree with this idea but as populations grow in certain area and rainfall becomes more unreliable then a distribution system will be essential.
There is a type of distribution system now in the north of England with water being moved over large distances by pipelines.
Anybody who thinks that water distribution is not inevitable is on a collision course with desertification at the rate that water is being used even now.
Oil and gas are already being moved vast distances by pipelines.
303. PlazaRed
3:13 PM EST on March 02, 2017

Don't know if it still exists but in the 1960's & 70's, there was a large round "water pipe" that ran under many of the old Overseas Highway Bridges, over the Florida Keys, that supplied water to many of Keys on the way to Key West.............You could see it clearly under the old Bahia Honda and Seven Mile Bridges...............Don't know if the pipe is still there under the new bridges that went up or where the water comes from in the Keys from Key Largo all the way down to Key West (I think that Key West has a desalinization plant).  
JTWC has issued the first graphics on 95S soon to be declared a tropical storm:
WTXS21 PGTW 021930
MSGID/GENADMIN/JOINT TYPHOON WRNCEN PEARL HARBOR HI//
SUBJ/TROPICAL CYCLONE FORMATION ALERT//
RMKS/
1. FORMATION OF A SIGNIFICANT TROPICAL CYCLONE IS POSSIBLE WITHIN
140 NM EITHER SIDE OF A LINE FROM 11.6S 59.1E TO 13.5S 55.2E
WITHIN THE NEXT 12 TO 24 HOURS. AVAILABLE DATA DOES NOT JUSTIFY
ISSUANCE OF NUMBERED TROPICAL CYCLONE WARNINGS AT THIS TIME.
WINDS IN THE AREA ARE ESTIMATED TO BE 25 TO 30 KNOTS. METSAT
IMAGERY AT 030218Z INDICATES THAT A CIRCULATION CENTER IS LOCATED
NEAR 11.5S 58.5E. THE SYSTEM IS MOVING WESTWARD AT 18 KNOTS.
2. REMARKS: THE AREA OF CONVECTION PREVIOUSLY LOCATED NEAR 11.4S
60.3E, IS NOW LOCATED NEAR 11.5S 58.5E, APPROXIMATELY 605 NM NORTH-
NORTHEAST OF LA REUNION. ANIMATED ENHANCED INFRARED SATELLITE
IMAGERY, A 020524Z ASCAT PASS, AND A 021437Z 91 GHZ SSMIS IMAGE
DEPICT MODERATE CONVECTION DEVELOPING OVER THE WESTERN PORTION OF A
CONSOLIDATING LOW LEVEL CIRCULATION. UPPER LEVEL ANALYSIS INDICATES
INCREASING EQUATORWARD AND POLEWARD DIFFLUENCE ALOFT AND FAVORABLY
LIGHT EASTERLY VERTICAL WIND SHEAR. SEA SURFACE TEMPERATURES ABOVE
28C ARE CONDUCIVE FOR FURTHER DEVELOPMENT. GLOBAL MODELS SHOW THE
DISTURBANCE TRACKING GENERALLY WESTWARD TO SOUTHWESTWARD AND
CONSOLIDATING INTO A TROPICAL CYCLONE OVER THE NEXT 24 HOURS.
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED SURFACE WINDS ARE ESTIMATED AT 25 TO 30 KNOTS.
MINIMUM SEA LEVEL PRESSURE IS ESTIMATED TO BE NEAR 1000 MB. BASED ON
IMPROVING LOW LEVEL STRUCTURE AND FAVORABLE ENVIRONMENTAL
CONDITIONS, THE POTENTIAL FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF A SIGNIFICANT
TROPICAL CYCLONE WITHIN THE NEXT 24 HOURS IS HIGH.
3. THIS ALERT WILL BE REISSUED, UPGRADED TO WARNING OR CANCELLED BY
031930Z
Perryville tornado has been given EF-3 rating initially, 13-15 mi path in MO before jumping the MS into IL. Cell(s) that spawned were tracked from S of Spld until became warned cell in Eastern MO, couple of damage areas W of Perry County before main touchdown & extended track. Estimated at about 1/2 mi width when damaged neighborhood next to 61, then on to I-55 where it caused the fatality of a motorist. Unfortunately, another fatality from the Ottawa storm. Had heard there were two critical, one has passed, the son-in-law of the earlier fatality. Haven't seen an EF for it or the Crossville storm yet. Saw 1st pics of Crossville today, similar but not maybe as extensive as Perryville, so guessing 2, low end 3. Eerie how close to the Tri-State's path it was.

We're at 42 in S C IL, overcast from a finger coming down fro IA that radar shows as snow, but suspect it's drying in the atmosphere, we only have a 29 dew pt. Spfld's icon on my page does show snow though, so maybe to N & NW it has snowed. NW winds & pressure around 30.35".
And here is the latest RAMMB and Meteosat shots: looks to be headed towards that Northern tip area of Madagascar.



george, saw yesterday record low of 2 was in 1960, wonder if that had anything to do w/ my birth in early Dec.? :) In mid March '78 C IL was shut down for several days by a massive snowstorm. 20' drifts in places requiring payloaders to clear roads. Believe that was one out of the SW mating gulf moisture & polar cold right over us. Thought we might get one of those this year, but now not nearly enough snow cover to N & NW. One more freezing morning, then back near 60s for weekend & seasonable or plus the rest of the 10 day.
Video: analysis

Watching time 29 minutes

Confidential documents show that Shell sounded the alarm about global warming as early as 1986. But despite this clear-eyed view of the risks, the oil giant has lobbied against strong climate legislation for decades. Today we make Shell%u2019s 1991 film, Climate of Concern, public again.



Shell made a film about climate change in 1991 (then neglected to heed its own warning)

Gee, is anyone actually surprised?

I mean, amirite?

..spppppppppppttt'



Don't be afraid of change. Social media has been around a long time.



This was my first blog.



If another drummer banged something you didn't like, we didn't call them trolls. That's where the expression "He listens to beat of a different drummer" comes from.
Quoting 310. Grothar:

Don't be afraid of change. Social media has been around a long time.



This was my first blog.



If another drummer banged something you didn't like, we didn't call them trolls. That's where the expression "He listens to beat of a different drummer" comes from.



The tune was well written and performed by Hare' Harrison.

Or "George".

Wah,wah'....

San Diego County and Riverside County went from brown to yellow thanks to our 2"-9" deluge on Feb26-27



Compared to last week Feb 21

313. N3EG
Quoting 177. N3EG:

All that seems to be left is to find that little "Enable reporting to Weather Underground" box and uncheck it.

Edit: Done.


WU apps: Deleted.
WU links: Deleted.
March has Louisiana on edge already as the first Billion dollar flooding rains came March 10th as we were in Baton Rouge for a Concert that night.

I drove thru the heaviest non tropical rate of my life driving home on 1-10,easily.

I was the only idiot on the road for 16 miles at one point.



March 2016 flooding event broke records in Louisiana State



Then August came.

33" of rain wacked us upside da head, hard..again.




315. elioe
Quoting 305. weathermanwannabe:


Now I think I've gained some understanding about what is happening. Interpolating between forecast (and nowcast) points in models, by 1930Z the central pressure should have been either 1003-1004 mbar (GFS,HWRF) or 998-999 mbar (ECMWF). The upper level winds, when divergence and rotation related to 95S is substracted, seem to be to the west or northwest. And ECMWF has long shown faster cyclogenesis and intensification than the other two models. So it could be, that Euro shows a track towards Madagascar, because it assumes the cyclone being steered more by the upper level winds during next days.

Now, if the assessment of 1000 mbar by JTWC is correct, then the track would likely be somewhere in between. Southward movement off the east coast of Madagascar, slower than shown by GFS, and possibly a westward movement by days 7-10 and landfall in SE Madagascar.
Quoting 313. N3EG:



WU apps: Deleted.
WU links: Deleted.


What's the point of this? You're really this upset that they're moving to a new blog system? Lol.

Anyone else still having font issues btw? A lot of things look off visually.
Quoting 256. Patrap:

I regret that I have but one entry, to write for my wunderblog. It will be lengthy, deep, humor filled and in the end, a sad final entry.

My family here and at Home are intertwined in so many wunderful ways that it will be the core of that final entry.

Many members have visited and 2 lived with us for a time. 33 in all.

It has been a long and interesting winding road, but we have endured as a family..and will continue as family, even in a limited way here. The wunderblogs have taught me one crucial life lesson, the one's and zero's of Binary language is compatible and can be influenced by Human thought.

I have no doubt of that.

AI or the singularity is coming over the Horizon today, and this entity knows us all well.

The merge is coming, the ability to actually see change daily is upon us.

Stay Human.

I do not plan to discontinue writing here, it was and is my muse of love and concern.


you are and always have been adorable...but I am kinda sad I was really looking forward to being non-human :)
Quoting 316. wilsonbiggs:



What's the point of this? You're really this upset that they're moving to a new blog system? Lol.

Anyone else still having font issues btw? A lot of things look off visually.
Yeah, they're just mad because they see the day coming where unlimited spam will be gone.
Actually, my fonts look better. Of course it could be that my computer is now in charge of fonts and not relying on the ones in the WU stylesheet which may be gone. You might check your browser settings.
Quoting 302. georgevandenberghe:

Strong polar or MUCH modified arctic outbreak over the Mid Atlantic Friday. I'd call it polar because it's very cold aloft and relatively warm at the surface but it's warm at the surface because it's passed over 800 miles of bare ground that is usually SNOW at this time of year and heated from below. If we had snow to, say, the Mason Dixon line, we might be looking at single digit lows Saturday morning rather than the low 20s we will actually get. 510dm thicknesses are very cold for this time of year, often not observed in March here. In an air mass this unstable, warm surface and bitter aloft, watch for small short waves which are usually crushed by stratification, to not be crushed, amplify, and deliver "surprises". These aren't initialized well so.. just watching.

I didn't take the bait and set cool season plants out except for broccoli seedlings which can take this. Strong sun was tempting but.. nope!




can you explain this a bit more? specifically the amplified troughs delivering surprises. (im just starting to study meteorology and it's wild how hard it is at times to conceptually understand all the mechanisms of the environment, especially when all these processes are mostly invisible to the human eye :P)
Quoting 308. dabirds:

george, saw yesterday record low of 2 was in 1960, wonder if that had anything to do w/ my birth in early Dec.? :) In mid March '78 C IL was shut down for several days by a massive snowstorm. 20' drifts in places requiring payloaders to clear roads. Believe that was one out of the SW mating gulf moisture & polar cold right over us. Thought we might get one of those this year, but now not nearly enough snow cover to N & NW. One more freezing morning, then back near 60s for weekend & seasonable or plus the rest of the 10 day.


March 1960 was an incredible outlier for temperatures compared with others, much colder than a normal winter month in DC. I only know this from records.. I wasn't there. March 1978 was a continuation of a long duration continuously moderately cold period that began in late january and while not intense, was continuous to about the 10'th with continuous snow cover in the DC metro area, very rare here. We missed the big storms in SW VA.


Quoting 319. earthisanocean:



can you explain this a bit more? specifically the amplified troughs delivering surprises. (im just starting to study meteorology and it's wild how hard it is at times to conceptually understand all the mechanisms of the environment, especially when all these processes are mostly invisible to the human eye :P)
You actually should learn the basics first. This topic is rather advanced. The best way to understand these types of processes is to take courses in physics. Yes. physics and math, that's the only way you will ever understand it completely.
Little bit of a dry air issue on the back side now and hard to tell where the coc is consolidated; it actually looks a little bit like "Superboy" on the move minus the flowing cape (or more like the "Human Torch"):


Image result for pictures of marvel human torch




Quoting 83. aquak9:

(bawling)


*sees aqua crying and runs around in circles until running into a wall and falls over and whimpers to self*
Quoting 321. bwtranch:

You actually should learn the basics first. This topic is rather advanced. The best way to understand these types of processes is to take courses in physics. Yes. physics and math, that's the only way you will ever understand it completely.


yup, i'm working on it. gr. 11 physics just finished, starting gr. 12 (i'm 31, but was partaking in too much umm, 'fun' in highschool to take it seriously). was just wondering what george meant by surprises. maths are next, i know how important they are. i also have an atmospheric science textbook that really is invaluable. everytime i go through it i learn something new. any other tips to understanding all these ever complex (and mostly invisible) processes is greatly appreciated. photography helps me understand too, with pictures like this (taken from my roof in toronto) showing the way air can move, through clouds.



anyway.. this blog as well, has been invaluable to my learning and i hope it doesn't change too drastically in this switch up. thanks all! (especially to the ones who battle daily with people refusing to provide evidence in their various claims, in a calm, collected, and professional manner. the information and evidence that you've put forth in refuting deniers is awesome, and a testament and strong homage to the climate scientists and meteorologist who are spending their lives studying the same thing that everyone here is fascinated by) this is turning into a rant, and it wasn't meant to. i love you all!
Quoting 319. earthisanocean:



can you explain this a bit more? specifically the amplified troughs delivering surprises. (im just starting to study meteorology and it's wild how hard it is at times to conceptually understand all the mechanisms of the environment, especially when all these processes are mostly invisible to the human eye :P)


Okay this got longer than I thought. Go to the bottom (short version) for a concise answer

Long answer
Frontal waves with a wavelength less than about 1000km are strongly damped out in a statically stable air mass. Vorticity advection ahead of them creates strong upward motion which cools the warm sector and the negative vorticity advection behind them creates downward motion which warms the cold sector. This eliminates the wave in the temperature gradient. More simply, they are just absorbed with their kinetic energy moving upscale to the basic state. Larger length scale waves do not create as intense vertical motions, temperature advection with the wave more than compensates for the effect of vertical motion so the warm sector warms and the cool sector cools, amplifying the wave. In general maximum wave growth occurs with a wavelength of 3000-5000km, the scale that covers half the United States. You just don't see frontal perturbations with a length scale of, say, Ohio. But in a statically not very stable atmosphere, vertical motion does not change temperature much and the horizontal temperature advections amplify even the very short waves.

In fewer words, a much wider spectrum of waves will amplify in a not very statically stable atmosphere. If you miss a short wave in a winter atmosphere it will just get damped out anyway but if you miss one in spring (when it's still cold aloft and warm at the surface, hence lower static stability) it can amplify and deliver a surprise.

These surprises come from the short waves. Long (3000km) waves are well resolved in analyses and are not missed in the 21'st century (they weren't missed after the 1950s over continents).

With modern analysis and data assimilation techniques though we even get the short waves right and all of the models handle the frontal wave instabilities I'm describing very well so the surprises I'm descibing are much less common than when I was a student.

Technically these frontal waves are called "baroclinic waves" and their growth is determined by whether the wave is "Baroclinically Unstable" or not. A large term in baroclinic instability though is stratification,, static stability.

Another thing you probably won't see till your fourth year in a dynamics course is a warning not to apply geostrophic assumptions to the short scales and my four paragraphs above are partly guilty of that. There are a bunch of terms in the momentum equation and it's a lot easier to analyze when two are large and cancel so that acceleration is negligible and the equation is a balance equation. Geostrophic balance occurs when the coriolis term and the pressure gradient force term cancel. A quantity called the ROSSBY NUMBER (U/fL) where U is the SPEED,f is the coriolis parameter and L is the length scale of the wave, compactly quantifies the accuracy of the geostrophic assumption, less than about 0.2 is geostrophic, less than 1, is somehat geostrophic, above 1 the assumption is just invalid and useless.

THe LONG explanation above.

The short explanation.

We have been handling the evolution of the big troughs and ridges well. They are well resolved by the models and easily initialized. Small troughs and ridges are harder but they usually damp out even if we don't initialize them well. But when an air mass is statically not very stable, these troughs and ridges don't damp out, they can amplify, fast! and deliver a surprise change to the forecast. And they are a lot harder to get right in the analysis.


I solicit other explanations from more current students and graduates.


Modification. Bwtranch's answer is also very relevant and should be read and followed. but also, for all you math, engineering and physics majors out there, your educations provide an excellent background for graduate study in meteorology.
Quoting 324. earthisanocean:



yup, i'm working on it. gr. 11 physics just finished, starting gr. 12 (i'm 31, but was partaking in too much umm, 'fun' in highschool to take it seriously). was just wondering what george meant by surprises. maths are next, i know how important they are. i also have an atmospheric science textbook that really is invaluable. everytime i go through it i learn something new. any other tips to understanding all these ever complex (and mostly invisible) processes is greatly appreciated. photography helps me understand too, with pictures like this (taken from my roof in toronto) showing the way air can move, through clouds.



anyway.. this blog as well, has been invaluable to my learning and i hope it doesn't change too drastically in this switch up. thanks all! (especially to the ones who battle daily with people refusing to provide evidence in their various claims, in a calm, collected, and professional manner. the information and evidence that you've put forth in refuting deniers is awesome, and a testament and strong homage to the climate scientists and meteorologist who are spending their lives studying the same thing that everyone here is fascinated by) this is turning into a rant, and it wasn't meant to. i love you all!


"Surprises" are things that happen that were not forecast.
Quoting 312. HurricaneHunterJoe:

San Diego County went from brown to yellow thanks to our 2"-9" deluge on Feb26-27



Compared to last week Feb 21




SWEET, I am in the YELLOW too.....
Quoting 324. earthisanocean:



yup, i'm working on it. gr. 11 physics just finished, starting gr. 12 (i'm 31, but was partaking in too much umm, 'fun' in highschool to take it seriously). was just wondering what george meant by surprises. maths are next, i know how important they are. i also have an atmospheric science textbook that really is invaluable. everytime i go through it i learn something new. any other tips to understanding all these ever complex (and mostly invisible) processes is greatly appreciated. photography helps me understand too, with pictures like this (taken from my roof in toronto) showing the way air can move, through clouds.



anyway.. this blog as well, has been invaluable to my learning and i hope it doesn't change too drastically in this switch up. thanks all! (especially to the ones who battle daily with people refusing to provide evidence in their various claims, in a calm, collected, and professional manner. the information and evidence that you've put forth in refuting deniers is awesome, and a testament and strong homage to the climate scientists and meteorologist who are spending their lives studying the same thing that everyone here is fascinated by) this is turning into a rant, and it wasn't meant to. i love you all!
Well that's great, I have degrees in geography and geology and understanding physical processes is important. My first year physical geography textbook was invaluable. Find a good one of those or search out information online. Back in my day we didn't have the internet, and one could see that as an advantage or disadvantage depending on your perspective. But there still is no substitute for a good textbook and a good professor.
As far as this website goes, it couldn't do anything but get better because it is and has been pretty bad. I've been banned for complaining about all the spam...football teams and the likes. Jeez. Pretty ridiculous. many of them are mad because they are probably going to take away their south Florida chat room. Hope the door doesn't hit their backside on the way out.
I'll probably post more when they get the thing fixed and hopefully get rid of multiple pages of junk, stupid memes, etc. It was never appropriate and once it got out of hand they didn't seem to want to do anything about it. If they do get it fixed, it will have the type of substance that it should have. Fingers crossed.
Quoting 328. bwtranch:

Well that's great, I have degrees in geography and geology and understanding physical processes is important. My first year physical geography textbook was invaluable. Find a good one of those or search out information online. Back in my day we didn't have the internet, and one could see that as an advantage or disadvantage depending on your perspective. But there still is no substitute for a good textbook and a good professor.
As far as this website goes, it couldn't do anything but get better because it is and has been pretty bad. I've been banned for complaining about all the spam...football teams and the likes. Jeez. Pretty ridiculous. many of them are mad because they are probably going to take away their south Florida chat room. Hope the door doesn't hit their backside on the way out.
I'll probably post more when they get the thing fixed and hopefully get rid of multiple pages of junk, stupid memes, etc. It was never appropriate and once it got out of hand they didn't seem to want to do anything about it. If they do get it fixed, it will have the type of substance that it should have. Fingers crossed.


The third, in addition to "good textbook and good professor" is good students working with you. As you progress academically you learn more and more from your fellow students investigating problems together and less, top down from your professors. Your professors are extremely important for guidance and pedagogy though.

I'm very grateful for mine (FSU and PSU), but also my teachers and school systems' contributions since kindergarten deserve a huge acknowledgement!
Quoting 329. georgevandenberghe:



The third, in addition to "good textbook and good professor" is good students working with you. As you progress academically you learn more and more from your fellow students investigating problems together and less, top down from your professors. Your professors are extremely important for guidance and pedagogy though.

I'm very grateful for mine (FSU and PSU), but also my teachers and school systems' contributions since kindergarten deserve a huge acknowledgement!


it can be hard in the real world to find people who generally care about not just meteorology, but nature and it's processes in general! so i really can't wait to be surrounded by students with same passion as me. thanks again, guys.
Quoting 328. bwtranch:

Well that's great, I have degrees in geography and geology and understanding physical processes is important. My first year physical geography textbook was invaluable. Find a good one of those or search out information online. Back in my day we didn't have the internet, and one could see that as an advantage or disadvantage depending on your perspective. But there still is no substitute for a good textbook and a good professor.
As far as this website goes, it couldn't do anything but get better because it is and has been pretty bad. I've been banned for complaining about all the spam...football teams and the likes. Jeez. Pretty ridiculous. many of them are mad because they are probably going to take away their south Florida chat room. Hope the door doesn't hit their backside on the way out.
I'll probably post more when they get the thing fixed and hopefully get rid of multiple pages of junk, stupid memes, etc. It was never appropriate and once it got out of hand they didn't seem to want to do anything about it. If they do get it fixed, it will have the type of substance that it should have. Fingers crossed.


yes hopefully, weather and climate, hand in hand, as they are whether you think they are or not.
Quoting 215. Sfloridacat5:



Slowly over the past couple years, this blog stopped being a place for discussing daily weather and upcoming forecasts. Over time so many informative and intelligent people have left the blog. They left the blog because of a clear agenda being forced into every blog (not by Dr. Masters but by a small group of members).
If anyone said anything questioning their "agenda" they would be attacked and told to leave (trolls).

How many AGW articles need to be in every blog? We have members that copy and paste AGW articles all day long into the blog. There should be a limit to the number of comments some members should be able to post. They are flooding the blog with their agenda.






All you do is constantly complain about the content of the blog..First you wanted to name it to a Climate Change Blog, then you didnt want people talking about politics and now you want it to be only about weather..Sigh..there is no agenda here and to state so sounds like the old me would have said when I was against Climate Change..

Anyway..I just came to tell everyone: "Bigger than Watergate"

See you in the new blog. My new handle will be "This is what democracy looks like"

Quoting 287. MontanaZephyr:



You must be young, and with excess time on your hands. The reason we don't want to be bothered with any more G*& D@#$%d technology is that the damn sh*t won't stay still! My spouse got me one of the (now already old) 'smart-phones' (my old flip phone went through the wash~) and I hated the thinig so much that I insisted on it being replaced with a flip phone. If I lived alone I would have a landline dial phone and no answering machine. To anyone that remembers what living a simple life was like.... before the internet.... before cable TV etc etc, this constantly changing technocrap is, despite the occasional convenience of quick shopping and quick information, regular harassment.

And, separately, addressing once again the division we have between current weather and climate change, insisting on current weather only is about like insisting that you be served your Earl Grey as the Titanic that you're on is listing to the side. I'm not saying that it's WRONG.... I myself have been escaping into quality foodie videos (hence my polite silence at that peas and mayo pizza yesterday.... Oh My!~) But I don't insist that others watch my foodie videos either.

Mehn~ Here's wishing you all the blog you would be wishing for yourselves~

Have a great day peeps~


I had a flip phone until "Santa" brought a smartphone in 2015. I have mixed feelings.

I always navigate by map but found GPS navigation on the phone to be very helpful even though I thought I was good at it. I'd always print out maps just before a trip, get lost, and have to shuffle through them. Prior to 2000 I used Atlases. It worked but the phone is better.

The other thing is, I lose keys. I have a tile on my keys and a second in my wallet. I check my phone which has the interface to determine if the things are A. with me (within bluetooth range) or B (where they last were seen).

Internet on the phone I can do without. I just want phone and text but GPS navigation and keyfinding are now my killer apps I would really miss if I went back.

Quoting 332. earthisanocean:



it can be hard in the real world to find people who generally care about not just meteorology, but nature and it's processes in general! so i really can't wait to be surrounded by students with same passion as me. thanks again, guys.


This happens in college unless you have an unusually collegial and independence supporting high school.
Quoting 336. georgevandenberghe:



This happens in college unless you have an unusually collegial and independence supporting high school.


ya i grew up in a town of 5000 people, not room for much independence! but there was definitely, as you stated, a few teachers that fuelled my learning and helped me greatly. and my parents were also invaluable in helping me understand and care about nature.
Quoting 215:
How many AGW articles need to be in every blog? We have members that copy and paste AGW articles all day long into the blog. There should be a limit to the number of comments some members should be able to post. They are flooding the blog with their agenda.
No, they are posting information and science based articles. You, however, are posting about your agenda.
95S

Top Trump Advisers Are Split on Paris Agreement on Climate Change

By CORAL DAVENPORT MARCH 2, 2017


WASHINGTON — The White House is fiercely divided over President Trump’s campaign promise to “cancel” the Paris agreement, the 2015 accord that binds nearly every country to curb global warming, with more moderate voices maintaining that he should stick with the agreement despite his campaign pledge.

Stephen K. Bannon, Mr. Trump’s senior adviser, is pressing the president to officially pull the United States from the landmark accord, but he is clashing with Secretary of State Rex Tillerson and the president’s daughter Ivanka Trump, who fear the move could have broad and damaging diplomatic ramifications.

Mr. Trump vowed on the campaign trail to tear up President Barack Obama’s global warming policies, and on the home front he is moving aggressively to meet those pledges with deep cuts to the Environmental Protection Agency and a new E.P.A. administrator, Scott Pruitt, who is a skeptic of climate science.

Next week, Mr. Trump plans to sign an executive order directing Mr. Pruitt to start the lengthy legal process of unwinding Mr. Obama’s E.P.A. regulations for cutting greenhouse pollution from coal-fired power plants. Those regulations are the linchpin of the last administration’s program to meet the nation’s obligations to reduce climate emissions under the Paris agreement.

While the president cannot, as Mr. Trump suggested, unilaterally undo a 194-nation accord that has already been legally ratified, he could initiate the four-year process to withdraw the world’s largest economy and second-largest climate polluter from the first worldwide deal to tackle global warming. Such a move would rend a global deal that has been hailed as historic, throwing into question the fate of global climate policy and, diplomats say, the credibility of the United States.

But it would also demonstrate to his supporters that Mr. Trump is a man of his word, putting American coal interests ahead of a global deal forged by Mr. Obama.

On one side of that debate is Mr. Bannon, who as a former chief executive of Breitbart News published countless articles denouncing climate change as a hoax, and who has vowed to push Mr. Trump to transform all his major campaign promises into policy actions.

On the other side are Ms. Trump, Mr. Tillerson, and a slew of foreign policy advisers and career diplomats who argue that the fallout of withdrawing from the accord could be severe, undercutting the United States’ credibility on other foreign policy issues and damaging relations with key allies.

Although Ms. Trump has not spoken out publicly for action to combat climate change, proponents and opponents of such action see her as an ally. Former Vice President Al Gore met with her during the Trump transition, and was ushered in by the “first daughter” to see the president-elect. The actor and activist Leonardo DiCaprio even slipped her a DVD copy of his climate-change documentary.

“President Trump Must Not Wobble on Climate Change — No Matter What Ivanka Says …,” blared a Breitbart post on Monday written by James Delingpole, who is close to Mr. Bannon and who leads the website’s coverage of climate-change policy.

Mr. Trump wants to make a decision by next week, say people familiar with the White House’s debate on the climate pact, in order to announce his executive order to undo Mr. Obama’s climate regulations in conjunction with his plans for the Paris deal.

According to leaked budget documents, the president will also propose killing off nearly two dozen E.P.A. programs, including the Obama-era Clean Power Program, climate partnership programs with local governments, Energy Star grants to encourage efficiency research in consumer products and climate-change research. Those would be part of a broader budget submission that would cut the E.P.A.’s funding by 25 percent, to around $6.1 billion from $8.2 billion, and its staff by 20 percent.

“If the goal is to fulfill the president’s campaign promises and implement his agenda, there is no value in staying in Paris,” said Thomas J. Pyle, an adviser to the Trump transition and the president of the Institute for Energy Research, an organization partly funded by the billionaire brothers Charles G. and David H. Koch, who have worked for years to undermine climate-change policies.

Mr. Trump has cited Mr. Pyle’s group as being influential in shaping his energy and climate proposals, including his campaign pledge to withdraw from the Paris deal.

“The two greatest obstacles to a Clexit (climate exit from U.N. Paris agreement) are probably Ivanka and Tillerson,” wrote Marc Morano, a former Republican Senate staff member who now runs Climate Depot, a fossil-fuel-industry-funded website that promotes the denial of climate science, in an email. “Tillerson with his ‘seat at the table’ views could be biggest proponent of not withdrawing the U.S. from the agreement.”

Mr. Tillerson is a former chief executive of Exxon Mobil, which, like many major global corporations, endorsed the Paris agreement. While his former company once denied human-caused climate change, it has more recently publicly acknowledged the threat posed by burning oil and supported proposals to tax carbon dioxide pollution.

Asked during his Senate confirmation hearing about the Paris accord, Mr. Tillerson said, “It’s important that the U.S. maintains its seat at the table about how to address the threat of climate change, which does require a global response.”

Under the Paris agreement, every nation has formally submitted plans detailing how it expects to lower its planet-warming pollution. The Obama administration pledged that the United States would reduce its carbon pollution about 26 percent from 2005 levels by 2025. However, that pledge depends on enactment of Mr. Obama’s E.P.A. regulations on coal-fired power plants, which Mr. Trump and Mr. Pruitt intend to substantially weaken or eliminate.

But under the Paris deal, those numerical targets are not legally binding, and there are no sanctions for failing to meet them. The only legal requirements of the deal are that countries publicly put forth their emissions reductions targets, and later put forth reports verifying how they are meeting the targets. It would be possible for the Trump administration to stay in the deal and submit a less ambitious target.

Even senior Republican voices in the foreign policy debate have said it may be wiser to stay in but keep a low profile.

“There’s really no obligation,” Senator Bob Corker, Republican of Tennessee and chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee, said in an interview. “It doesn’t require us to do anything. I think they may take a little time to assess whether pulling out makes sense now.”


Foreign policy experts say withdrawing from Paris would have far greater diplomatic consequences than President George W. Bush’s withdrawal from the world’s first global climate-change accord, the 1997 Kyoto Protocol.

“I think it would be a major mistake, even a historic mistake, to disavow the Paris deal,” said R. Nicholas Burns, a retired career diplomat and under secretary of state under Mr. Bush.

“In international politics, trust, reliability and keeping your commitments — that’s a big part of how other countries view our country,” Mr. Burns said. “I can’t think of an issue, except perhaps NATO, where if the U.S. simply walks away, it would have such a major negative impact on how we are seen.”

The Paris deal is more consequential than Kyoto. Unlike that pact, which required action only from developed economies, the Paris agreement includes commitments from every nation, rich and poor, to cut emissions, including China and India, the world’s largest and third-largest polluters. Also, the science of climate change has become far more certain and the impact more visible in the 20 years since Kyoto. Each of the last three years has surpassed the previous one as the hottest on record.

Some of the United States’ closest allies are urging the Trump administration not to pull out. In a letter to Mr. Trump after he won the election, Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany wrote, “Partnership with the United States is and will remain a keystone of German foreign policy, especially so that we can tackle the great challenges of our time.” They include, she wrote, “working to develop farsighted climate policy.”

As Mr. Trump and his advisers weigh their Paris options, one proposal is gaining traction, according to participants in the debate: Mr. Trump could declare that the Paris agreement is a treaty that requires ratification by the Senate. The pact was designed not to have the legal force of a treaty specifically so that it would not have to go before the United States Senate, which would have assuredly failed to ratify it.

“If there are camps forming in the White House, then let the people decide, the elected representatives,” Mr. Pyle said. “Let’s put the question to them.”

Proponents of that idea say it could shift some of the weight of the decision from Mr. Trump to Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the majority leader, at least in the eyes of some foreign diplomats, and of the president’s daughter.

I have to say, I think a lot of our "bloggers" here who have been crying over spilled milk are going to be surprised to find, next month about this time, that the milk has been made into ice cream, flavor of your choice, with toppings of your choice. From the description Jeff has given of the way he expects it to turn out, the Cat6 blog in a new format should be much better, and if it has the same bloggers (meaning blog authors) writing on the same topics, it will be a smorgasbord of interesting topics interestingly treated. I for one am looking forward to it!
Quoting 341. CaneFreeCR:

I have to say, I think a lot of our "bloggers" here who have been crying over spilled milk are going to be surprised to find, next month about this time, that the milk has been made into ice cream, flavor of your choice, with toppings of your choice. From the description Jeff has given of the way he expects it to turn out, the Cat6 blog in a new format should be much better, and if it has the same bloggers (meaning blog authors) writing on the same topics, it will be a smorgasbord of interesting topics interestingly treated. I for one am looking forward to it!
CaneFreeCR, perhaps. I like the present format a lot better than "classic". But I don't like wunderground not allowing members to have blogs of their own anymore.
Quoting 64. JeffMasters:


It's been a long, crazy ride here at wunderground, and this latest round of changes is certainly a big shift. The changes to the blogs will mean that the significant problems we've had over the past year (blog slowness, unavailability, comments disappearing, etc) should resolve--though with any new software upgrade, there will be a shake-out period. I want to thank everyone in the wunderground community that blogged here; you helped make the wunderground a unique place to be. I will miss all the great contributions you made, and I sympathize with the angst expressed here in the comments today.

A new commenting system will be launched, which will allow independent comment threads on different topics--should be a big improvement.

The featured blogs from Portlight, Ricky Rood, Chris Burt, Marshall Shepherd, Lee Grenci, and Steve Gregory will continue to exist, and will have their own landing pages with a unique URL that will have their photo and bio at the bottom; the URL will be, for example:

https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/RickyRood/

Jeff Masters

Quoting 143. MaxWeather:

Good evening guys

If blogs are gonna shut down in a month, I don't know how to keep up the hurricane prediction list...
I may just erase the whole thing given WU is not gonna keep the blogs up anymore.

Any suggestions? I'd listen to anyone


From what I've read, you should be able to start a thread and add to it continuously.
I will also say that the negative comments from some old-timers "I had the first blog on WU", "It was so good back in the old days", etc. are tiresome. Acting like crotchety old geezers. And ignoring the contributions the 'new' bloggers make who joined in 2010 or 2012.

Seriously, a lot of the old-timers (not all but a large number of them) are all "Get off my lawn you crazy kids!"
..we're noticing some very deep and darkening feelings along the blog's shoreline here on the coast.

Back to you Guys in the wu studio'...



LOL Brian.

I think it is more of a religious issue, as it were. Some believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster, but (and I emphasize that conjunction) there is more evidence of the existence of the Big Batootie.

True believers of the Big Batootie worship by kissing the Big Batootie--in a religious sense of course. Some of these believers go so far as to press others to worship similarly.

While the power of the Big Batootie is not so easily discounted, acknowledging that power does not require one to worship in the same fashion. "Get off my lawn," I think is a ritual way of expressing one's anti-worship, if you will.

"Get off my lawn," thus, deserves a measure of respect since, as we all know, one day the Big Batootie will be coming for you.
Quoting 344. RitaandIke:



From what I've read, you should be able to start a thread and add to it continuously.
Only a few blogs will continue to have this ability, all the others go to the shredder on April 3 (figuratively speaking)
Quoting 312. HurricaneHunterJoe:

San Diego County went from brown to yellow thanks to our 2"-9" deluge on Feb26-27



Compared to last week Feb 21


Some of the snow in the woods behind my house has turned yellow, too. Weird, huh?
Quoting 334. ncstorm:



All you do is constantly complain about the content of the blog..First you wanted to name it to a Climate Change Blog, then you didnt want people talking about politics and now you want it to be only about weather..Sigh..there is no agenda here and to state so sounds like the old me would have said when I was against Climate Change..

Anyway..I just came to tell everyone: "Bigger than Watergate"

See you in the new blog. My new handle will be "This is what democracy looks like"




Where do you go to choose a blog handle for the new blog that is soon approaching us?
Quoting 348. MaxWeather:

Only a few blogs will continue to have this ability, all the others go to the shredder on April 3 (figuratively speaking)


Ones blog archive will remain....

Quoting 341. CaneFreeCR:

I have to say, I think a lot of our "bloggers" here who have been crying over spilled milk are going to be surprised to find, next month about this time, that the milk has been made into ice cream, flavor of your choice, with toppings of your choice. From the description Jeff has given of the way he expects it to turn out, the Cat6 blog in a new format should be much better, and if it has the same bloggers (meaning blog authors) writing on the same topics, it will be a smorgasbord of interesting topics interestingly treated. I for one am looking forward to it!


I will take Blue Bell's Triple Chocolate and Blue Bell's Homemade Vanilla works just as well. I will settle for anything that is not loaded with nuts, present company excluded. ;) I'm nutty enough already. :)
Quoting 245. JeffMasters:



The blog will be running on new software next month, which should be more reliable. The new software does not easily allow thousands of different blogs, and this was part of the reason for discontinuing all of the user blogs and just having one blog, Category 6. The new commenting software for the blog will allow users to upload images and write text, with multiple nested comment threads allowed. You can choose your own handle for the comment section. Mine will be "Jeff Masters".

Jeff Masters


I'm claiming Rogue1 as my new drupal handle. The papers have been filed.

: P

Quoting 349. oldnewmex:

Some of the snow in the woods behind my house has turned yellow, too. Weird, huh?


Don't eat the yellow snow!
EPA Scraps Rule Requiring Oil And Gas Industry To Report Methane Pollution
The move is sure to delight EPA chief Scott Pruitt’s oil and gas allies.

By Alexander C. Kaufman


In May, the Environmental Protect Agency issued a new rule requiring oil and gas companies to report what equipment they use and how much methane ― a greenhouse gas 40 times more potent than carbon dioxide ― their drilling sites emit.

On Thursday, the agency’s newly sworn-in administrator, Scott Pruitt, scrapped a regulation deemed crucial to cutting planet-warming emissions as part of the Paris climate deal.

The decision, one of Pruitt’s first since the Senate narrowly confirmed his nomination last month, underscores the former Oklahoma attorney general’s deep, friendly ties to an industry he’s now tasked with policing. The move comes days after The Huffington Post reported on the White House’s proposal to slash a quarter of the EPA’s budget and pink-slip 1 in 5 agency employees.

“By taking this step, EPA is signaling that we take these concerns seriously and are committed to strengthening our partnership with the states,” Pruitt said in a statement. “Today’s action will reduce burdens on businesses while we take a closer look at the need for additional information from this industry.”

Pruitt’s relationship with oil and gas players became a flashpoint after President Donald Trump nominated him to lead an agency he sued 13 times as the Sooner State’s top cop.

Pruitt repeatedly joined oil, gas and coal players ― including Oklahoma Gas & Electric and the Domestic Energy Producers Alliance, an industry-backed group ― in filing lawsuits to stop federal regulations. In 2011, Pruitt allowed Devon Energy Corporation, the Oklahoma City-based natural gas giant, to write a three-page complaint to the EPA under his letterhead, which he later signed.

Last week, the Oklahoma attorney general’s office released emails under court order that shed new light on how chummy relations between Pruitt and the oil and gas industry became during his six years as the state’s attorney general.

The office sued to block the release of more emails that were scheduled to be disclosed this month, and the Oklahoma Supreme Court on Tuesday granted a stay, giving the new attorney general’s office more time to produce the correspondence.

The first batch of 7,564 documents released last week renewed concerns that Pruitt would use his new post to benefit his industry allies, who have donated more than $300,000 to his campaigns between 2002 and 2016. Even more money went to a political action committee and super PAC that paid for Pruitt’s trips to Hawaii and New Orleans.

The now-infamous 2011 Devon Energy letter, published in 2014 by The New York Times, specifically criticized EPA estimates on methane emissions from drilling rigs as inaccurate or too high in hopes of preventing further regulation. Two spokesmen for Devon Energy did not immediately return calls and emails requesting comment on Thursday evening.

Natural gas emits less carbon than other fossil fuels, such as oil or coal, and utility companies are increasingly relying on it to produce electricity as hydraulic fracturing, or fracking, technology has made it much cheaper. The shift from coal- to gas-burning power plants has helped to limit the carbon footprint of the utility sector, by far the biggest emitter in the country, but not by much.

But the fracking industry is relatively new, and its effects on the environment are still being studied. Oklahoma is now dogged by man-made earthquakes caused by fracking, which involves cracking bedrock with highly-pressurized, sand- and chemical-laced water to unleash gas trapped below.

Methane leaks, which can cause dizziness and headaches, remain what The Economist called the industry’s “dirty little secret.” Earlier this week, an underwater pipeline in Alaska began leaking natural gas into the scenic Cook Inlet. A massive leak last year in a suburb of Los Angeles, dubbed an “invisible tsunami,” became the biggest natural disaster since the BP’s Deepwater Horizon oil spill in 2010.

“We must reject as a nation the false paradigm that if you’re pro-energy, you’re anti-environment or if you’re pro-environment, you’re anti-energy,” Pruitt said during his Senate confirmation hearing last month. “I reject that.”

Yet so far, Pruitt’s time at the helm of the EPA has been marked by plans to eviscerate the agency’s budget, halt climate change action and ease restraints on corporate polluters. During his first speech to agency staff last week, Pruitt mentioned a “toxic environment” only once ― to refer to the political rhetoric of his critics.

He did not mention pollution, climate change or environmental destruction at all.

Climate Change Is Turning Minor Floods Into A Major Problem
The result of increasingly frequent “nuisance” flooding could be even more destructive than disasters like Katrina and Sandy.

By Joseph Erbentraut


It goes without saying that major natural disasters like Hurricane Katrina and Superstorm Sandy, deservedly, tend to capture far more media attention than less extreme, more localized flooding.

But ignoring those minor storms could prove costly, according to a new study authored by University of California-Irvine researchers and published last month in the Earth’s Future journal.

That’s because the impact of those minor storms could prove even more destructive in the near future. As is the case with extreme rainfall events, these storms are becoming increasingly common due to our warming planet.

Just because these storms tend to fly under the radar both in media and research circles doesn’t mean they should be taken any less seriously, according to study co-author Amir AghaKouchak, a civil and environmental engineering professor at University of California-Irvine.

“Non-extreme weather events don’t get a lot of attention, but we spend a lot of money on them,” AghaKouchak told The Huffington Post. “The cumulative costs are significant and we need to start monitoring them and collecting data to understand them better.”

AghaKouchak was inspired to look into the collective impacts of these smaller flooding events after he learned of the so-called long tail theory, which suggests the cumulative impact of a frequent, minor event could match or exceed that of a rare, major event.

He wondered if the impacts of more common, less extreme flooding events that might strike a coastal U.S. city, for example, a few times per month or a few times a year might similarly match — or even exceed — the impacts associated with major disasters on the magnitude of a Katrina or Sandy.

The results, based on a cumulative hazard index developed by the researchers, indicate that less extreme “nuisance” flooding could prove just as destructive to many cities, over time, as those extreme events.

The researchers’ analysis considered the future risk of flooding events ranging from minor “nuisance” flooding and extreme disasters and compared estimates of these storms’ impacts in 11 U.S. coastal cities.

Their analysis found that five of the cities — San Francisco, Seattle, Miami, New York and Washington, D.C. — had estimated impacts associated with minor flooding that was just as, or more, serious than the impacts associated with extreme events.



STEPHEN LAM/REUTERS
Many U.S. cities are increasingly facing the challenge of minor, “nuisance” flooding. The impact over time could prove significant, University of California-Irvine researchers say.

Of course, the study notes, direct comparisons between the varying impacts of different types of storms are difficult to make, particularly when it comes to intangible costs like human fatalities that can be caused by extreme storms.

But still, the costs associated with minor storms can prove tremendous ― and life-threatening in their own right.

“If we act too late, we will have significant negative impacts,” AghaKouchak said.

Such flooding can significantly degrade infrastructure like roads and building foundations. It can also impact sewer infrastructure, potentially resulting in serious public health risks. These minor flooding events are also a drain on municipal budgets — due to the resources required to pump water out of streets — and also can force the closure of schools and businesses.

Rising sea levels spurred on by climate change are contributing to increased frequency, and an increased cumulative effect, of these storms.

In D.C., the study noted, the number of hours of nuisance flooding per year has increased almost 500 percent over the last 50 years, from about 19 hours between the years 1930 and 1970 to about 94 over the past two decades. Projections indicate that number will continue to grow at an increasing rate — to as much as 700 hours per year — by 2050.

To address the problem, AghaKouchak said coastal cities will need to get proactive with flood control measures, though he added that there is no one-size-fits-all solution.

New York City is already working to do just that, launching an ambitious flood resiliency plan that includes the large “Big U” project aims to flood-proof lower Manhattan.

The $505 million project, however, is not yet funded fully. And, of course, what works in New York may not work in Miami — or anywhere else for that matter.

“These issues are very local and there is no single recipe for all cities around the country,” AghaKouchak said. “Each city has to come up with their own plan, and each plan won’t necessarily work in other places.”

The issue is growing more serious with time. The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s latest sea-level rise estimate anticipates scenarios ranging from 1 foot to an “extreme” 8.2 feet rise by 2100.

Beyond the inconvenience of shutting down roads or schools, the trend could force millions of people from their homes. A recent study estimated that as many as 13.1 million Americans could be displaced if the sea level rises 6 inches by century’s end. An estimated 4.2 million people would be forced out of their homes by a 3-inch rise, according to the study.

Because the stakes are so high, AghaKouchak believes action should be taken— and funded — as quickly as possible.

“This may not get a lot of attention, but beyond a certain point, we will see the impacts everywhere,” AghaKouchak said. “The sooner we take action and plan, the better.”

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Joseph Erbentraut covers promising innovations and challenges in the areas of food, water, agriculture and our climate. Follow Erbentraut on Twitter at @robojojo. Tips? Email joseph.erbentraut@huffingtonpost.com.

What the Climate models told us years ago, was greatly wrong on the warming timing. The obs and events are now outpacing them, a lot. I've been saying this for years that the observations were outpacing the Climate models,greatly.

Our Global Warming is accelerating at a ever increasing alarming rate.

Read. You must stay aware of our shared dilemma.
Quoting 348. MaxWeather:

Only a few blogs will continue to have this ability, all the others go to the shredder on April 3 (figuratively speaking)


I have a few minutes so allow me to present my idea.
Copy and save your data in a suitable place. I've heard of this place called "the cloud" (appropriate for weather info) or maybe Microsoft Word would work.
On April 3rd when (if) you can start a thread, try to paste your data there. In the meantime Dr Masters or someone might be able to explain how (or if) it can be done.
If so, just add to the thread as you get more predictions.
It might look something like this:

Category 6:
Climate change:
(multiple threads):

Local weather conditions:
(more threads):

Tropical:
Hurricanes:
(even more threads including Max's prediction thread):
Tropical Storms:
(plenty of threads here):
Typhoons:
(possibly not as many here):

And plenty more below as well as above

Like I said, just an idea...
I hope this will work and benefit all who want to continue what they have created in the blogs here.
(not sure why I singled out Max)
Upon rereading my post #325 I realize it was aimed at about a second year or early third year college student. My pedagogy isn't as good as a professor who knows how to teach, for that I apologize. People who aren't at that level who felt overwhelmed, the fault is mine. The short answer at the bottom though should answer the question at the high school senior level.
Quoting 348. MaxWeather:

Only a few blogs will continue to have this ability, all the others go to the shredder on April 3 (figuratively speaking)


Bet NSA could get them back :-)
I wunder what the last comment here will be?

A sign off with National Anthem, jet flyover?


A muted, turn the lights out on yer way out?



Or fade to black?




We should have a party somewhere. Saturday April 1, sounds like a firm date.

Anyone?

Bueller?

Anyone"..?




I haven't followed everything very closely, but I just have two questions:

1. Will we have to have new handles
2. Will I have to re-input the 11,000 people I have on ignore
Quoting 345. BaltimoreBrian:

I will also say that the negative comments from some old-timers "I had the first blog on WU", "It was so good back in the old days", etc. are tiresome. Acting like crotchety old geezers. And ignoring the contributions the 'new' bloggers make who joined in 2010 or 2012.

Seriously, a lot of the old-timers (not all but a large number of them) are all "Get off my lawn you crazy kids!"


Who you calling new??? (for those who dont remember, or are too lazy to do so, I joined in 2012).

I tried to visit Gro, but he started throwing 3 billion year old rocks at me while shaking a strange stone implement.
Quoting 360. RitaandIke:



I have a few minutes so allow me to present my idea.
Copy and save your data in a suitable place. I've heard of this place called "the cloud" (appropriate for weather info) or maybe Microsoft Word would work.
On April 3rd when (if) you can start a thread, try to paste your data there. In the meantime Dr Masters or someone might be able to explain how (or if) it can be done.
If so, just add to the thread as you get more predictions.
It might look something like this:

Category 6:
Climate change:
(multiple threads):

Local weather conditions:
(more threads):

Tropical:
Hurricanes:
(even more threads including Max's prediction thread):
Tropical Storms:
(plenty of threads here):
Typhoons:
(possibly not as many here):

And plenty more below as well as above

Like I said, just an idea...
I hope this will work and benefit all who want to continue what they have created in the blogs here.
(not sure why I singled out Max)

Now I understand your reasoning
It's very cool to think about right? :)

Quoting 362. georgevandenberghe:

Bet NSA could get them back :-)

NSA? I bet they got way too many piles to dig into (bit trying to get into politics)
Quoting 363. Patrap:

I wunder what the last comment here will be?

A sign off with National Anthem, jet flyover?

A muted, turn the lights out on yer way out?



Or fade to black?







Turn out the lights, the party"s over
Are Dr. Masters' archived posts getting axed as well? I enjoy reading back at those occasionally.
Will the last blogger to leave, please take the weather map?
Quoting 365. Grothar:

I haven't followed everything very closely, but I just have two questions:

1. Will we have to have new handles
2. Will I have to re-input the 11,000 people I have on ignore


I hope there will still be room for humor on the new "forum".
372. Tcwx2
Hello all. Just doing my monthly pass through. With school and everything it is rather difficult to be an active blogger. Glad to see all doing well!!
Quoting 369. wxgeek723:

Are Dr. Masters' archived posts getting axed as well? I enjoy reading back at those occasionally.


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Quoting 366. Astrometeor:

Who you calling new??? (for those who dont remember, or are too lazy to do so, I joined in 2012).

I tried to visit Gro, but he started throwing 3 billion year old rocks at me while shaking a strange stone implement.
Grothar's children discovered

R.I.P. Wunderground

1993 - December 31, 1969

If only them time circuits were properly aligned maybe the flux capacitor wouldn't have blown up.

hey guys whats this I hear about some of the stuff here on WU closing down eg member blogs and WU mail etc
Quoting 377. wunderkidcayman:

hey guys whats this I hear about some of the stuff here on WU closing down eg member blogs and WU mail etc



Member blogs
WUMail
NOAA Weather Radio
SMS alerts

Yup, all gone...
Quoting 349. oldnewmex:

Some of the snow in the woods behind my house has turned yellow, too. Weird, huh?


"Watch out where the Huskies go"

Quoting 378. PedleyCA:




Member blogs
WUMail
NOAA Weather Radio
SMS alerts

Yup, all gone...


well what we gonna do then
Quoting 365. Grothar:

I haven't followed everything very closely, but I just have two questions:

1. Will we have to have new handles
2. Will I have to re-input the 11,000 people I have on ignore


Just speculation...
One would have to join but could use their current handle.
Probably better be quick if that's the case.

Afterthought... ...Dr Masters and mods...can you freeze a username pending the appropriate password?
Quoting 377. wunderkidcayman:

hey guys whats this I hear about some of the stuff here on WU closing down eg member blogs and WU mail etc


Check out Cat6's previous blog comments on "Glacial Pace for Southern Hemisphere Cyclone Season; Tornado Threat in Midwest"
.



Quoting 378. PedleyCA:




Member blogs
WUMail
NOAA Weather Radio
SMS alerts

Yup, all gone...

Wunderkid, after April, the blog will be moving slightly south of SSW/SWSWW
Weather with a community friendly feel will be available elsewhere.
WU blogs ending?
Really?
I just can not fathom that!
Is it true?
What direct link can show me what the plan is?
I am not finding anything on WU that states this.
All I see is chatter about individual WU blogs ending.
Help me out here... Please!


Maybe try the blue header at the top of da page.


: P
00z GFS expects 95S to explosively intensify into a category 5 equivalent cyclone in just 84 hours...
Quoting 386. Patrap:



Maybe try the blue header at the top of da page.


: P



Thanks Pat.
That sounds like existing blogs remain in some sort of form.
What is category 6?
95S looks very much like a tropical storm this evening, but at this rate an eye may pop out before it is named...lol

Quoting 386. Patrap:



Maybe try the blue header at the top of da page.


: P


LOL I'm tired. I'm scratching my nose with my foot behind my head. Also neato there's a survey to voice your opinion. No harm in trying I guess.
Quoting 39. SAINTHURRIFAN:


. SAINTHURRIFAN
6:52 PM GMT on March 01, 2017
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Well said white wabit. I don't spend hardly anytime on here. It has become nothing but political bashing, and insults hurled at people who have different opinions.What I would like to know is do any of these people hold a job? They spend their whole lives looking for every crumb of info on AGW, or posting constant pictures or nonsense of songs and movies for crying out loud. They say their independants? but they constantly bash only one political party? One who has severe diabetes: but still holds a full time job, keeps up 30 acres of my elderly mothers plus mine.While also having to deal with my elderly mothers declining health. So in summary of this rant, this weather blog is just a hobby, not a real life necessity. For you who feel like you have achieved some kind of rock star status by being a icon on something so insignicant may God give you a view of what is important in life. Right on White Wabitt you the man. Good day and God Bless.

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A few things, for possibly some perspective since you seem to focus on giving people a view of what is important in life. I spend a lot of time on this site lurking, and have for many years. I endure a rare genetic disorder called Ehlers Danlos Syndrome, Hypermobile Type. On a good day I have 150 joint subluxations or dislocations. On a bad day, it can be over 1000. I rarely am able to type any entries because I literally dislocate fingers in the process. Some days I can barely manage to hit the next page button to scroll. However, I am a very stubborn woman. I have a wonderful happy life, most of the time. I wear between 5 and 10 braces a day, manage 20 doctors appointments a month, and spend on hour to two hours every day doing Physical Therapy just to be able to walk and work. It may only be 8 hours a week, but it's what I can do and I'm not on disability. I go to soccer matches, even though crowds reduce me to a wheelchair. I am musician, constantly learning new instruments as the ones I have mastered are banned. I run a local support group for others with my condition. I don't want or need your pity. Just your understanding.

I value each and every blogger here, and have no one on ignore (even some very testing people). While I don't actually know any of you, I spend more time with you than most other people. Paying attention to the weather, especially the global posts, allows me to occupy my mind to distract from the immense, soul crushing pain I survive with every day. Observing, and learning about climate change reminds me of the smallness of my own life, of the great challenges that lie ahead for all of our children, and grandchildren. It gives me perspective.

Oh, and I had to care for my dying grandmother with the same condition in October, so I also understand the difficulties there but likely magnified signicantly. (Changing a brief but her hip dislocates...)

I am truly sorry for your suffering, I am. But please, before you go being holier than thou, have some perspective. I am not ashamed for spending hours a day at this site. To insult people who do is unkind, hurtful and disrespectful.

Now...

As for the weather, since I'm typing now, Seattle got THUNDERSNOW on Monday!!!! I saw the lightening on my way home from the doctor! Given Seattle typically gets 2-4 thunder claps a year, you can understand my excitement!! I would've jumped up and down in joy if not for my sense of self preservation.

Also, it snowed. Again. While my husband was out of town on business. I hate clearing my car of snow. It's supposed to snow again this weekend. I'm seriously not amused...

Featured bloggers are the ones that are part of WU internally?
Not us schmucks that post our mundane gardens and local weather etc?
Really?
Is that what I am reading?
Quoting 392. QueensWreath:

Featured bloggers are the ones that are part of WU internally?
Not us schmucks that post our mundane gardens and local weather etc?
Really?
Is that what I am reading?


Pretty much. They don't have the server space or maintenance staff to upkeep the current number of blogs on the new platform. If you're looking for a place to host a weather blog, I'd suggest Tumblr or Blogger. Both are easy to use and have better interfaces than WU anyway.
I do wish WU would add an actual forum system like PhpBB - A stream of comments like this isn't really the best way to hold conversations, and it'd solve the issue of everything being mixed together.
Quoting 392. QueensWreath:

Featured bloggers are the ones that are part of WU internally?
Not us schmucks that post our mundane gardens and local weather etc?
Really?
Is that what I am reading?
That's right. All the blogs of us members will be frozen. You'll still be able to read old entries. But not the comments--all comments on all member blogs will be gone.
Ok I get the picture.
Spathy final rant.
I am so glad I gave up on this site a while ago when the powers that be, attacked a mainstay of this community.
I canceled my membership and deleted everything that was Spathy when the powers ran amok!
I came back tentatively because I desired the forum and the connection.
Then recently the entire WU experience became more dysfunctional starting with the quality of the website format and functionality.
All the while the characters that held mysterious esteem became even more embolden and hostile to free speech. "They" became more arrogant in their free pass to shut down any thought or idea that was not part of their perceived peer content.
Much like our college universitys today.
WU started out as a great source of information and a community for sharing ideas among people and friends.
WU lost that community when it became dominated by insecure dictatorial ideologues (bloggers)that were buoyed by the enablers of the WU establishment.
Thank GOD I saw the light long ago and this foreseen dismantling of what was at one time a great family/ community where ideas could be freely discussed among adults.
Sad to say goodbye WU but it is not a surprise.
Quoting 363. Patrap:

I wunder what the last comment here will be?

A sign off with National Anthem, jet flyover?


A muted, turn the lights out on yer way out?



Or fade to black?







Play "closing time" - should clear everyone out
Denialists, posting on a science blog, should not expect acceptance of their views until they can provide real facts to support their beliefs.
Quoting 398. SunnyDaysFla:

Denialists, posting on a science blog, should not expect acceptance of their views until they can provide real facts to support their beliefs.


Acceptance is the step after discussion, or the first step in a discussion.
The idea that there is no debate ("it is settled")denies the possibility of common ground solutions.
Discussion is a link to community and understanding our fellow man.
That discussion leads to mutual understanding and solutions.
In that context who is the true Denier?
Just a thought you should consider.
400. Ed22
The weather blog i once join is going to be extinct, Mr. Jeff Master you guys need to re-think this over. The 2017 hurricane season coming up and nothing to comment on when this members blog is gone, I've learn alot since i join this blog in 2013; three going into four years on this blog, re-think going forward Jeff Master.
While I have only had an account for less than a year I have been lurking long before then. It feels sad to see this format of blogs go but I know that change is needed and have to accept it. I learned a lot from this blog, especially during hurricane season and hurricane season became even more exciting tracking the blog. As much as I'll miss these old blogs I am excited to see what the new format is like.
Quoting 398. SunnyDaysFla:

Denialists, posting on a science blog, should not expect acceptance of their views until they can provide real facts to support their beliefs.


Wow!
Steadfast to the very end.
Keep up that mindset and I think you will eventually find that it is limiting of thought and process towards solutions.
And I thought that walls were supposed to be a bad thing from your perspective!
3-1-2017; Gale Near Hawaii Generating Blizzard; Separate Hurricane Force System on Collision Course

Link
Quick question will the comments on Jeff Master's blogs be deleted as well?
Quoting 398. SunnyDaysFla:

Denialists, posting on a science blog, should not expect acceptance of their views until they can provide real facts to support their beliefs.


Wow!
Steadfast to the very end.
Keep up that mindset and I think you will eventually find that it is limiting of thought and process towards solutions.
And I thought that walls were supposed to be a bad thing from your perspective!
And what is to become of the photo bloggers here? No WU featured photos?
So sad!
No weather photo congrats?
SAD!
Sorry QueensWreath it is time you realized that you do not deserve equal space on a science blog for your beliefs. Yes, if you wish to discuss solutions to problems, your views on that should get a respectful hearing, but not your refusal to acknowledge the facts. I long wondered why Dr Msters has been so patient with the denial garbage some post. My conclusion is that we have had many articulate ,well informed bloggers who have the facts at the tip of their fingers to counter the false statements, thereby informing those who come here wanting the real truth.
Quoting 407. SunnyDaysFla:

Sorry QueensWreath it is time you realized that you do not deserve equal space on a science blog for your beliefs. Yes, if you wish to discuss solutions to problems, your views on that should get a respectful hearing, but not your refusal to acknowledge the facts. I long wondered why Dr Msters has been so patient with the denial garbage some post. My conclusion is that we have had many articulate ,well informed bloggers who have the facts at the tip of their fingers to counter the false statements, thereby informing those who come here wanting the real truth.


Well I may dispute some of the things people state as facts, and that is a path into discussion. I always provide (can do now) solutions to pollution and needed moneys for new energy solutions for a cleaner Earth.
Quoting 407. SunnyDaysFla:

Sorry QueensWreath it is time you realized that you do not deserve equal space on a science blog for your beliefs. Yes, if you wish to discuss solutions to problems, your views on that should get a respectful hearing, but not your refusal to acknowledge the facts. I long wondered why Dr Msters has been so patient with the denial garbage some post. My conclusion is that we have had many articulate ,well informed bloggers who have the facts at the tip of their fingers to counter the false statements, thereby informing those who come here wanting the real truth.


BTW you make my point so very true and clear!
You are on the side of shut down the debate because there is no debating the things you hold true as science sees things NOW! NOW. Now is so not the final truth. Even if you are correct on the basics!
Please think about that, and how declaring the debate is over shuts down further understanding and new "truths" that will come!
Seattlite, great post! Thank you for sharing your perspective. I also enjoy lurking mostly and have nobody on ignore...though sometimes I may scroll faster than others.

As for weather, what a winter we're having in N W Washington, no snow at all the last 2 winters here in Acme, this year I've had some snow on the ground over 60 days now! Oh and more is in the forecast. Still tons of cleanup to do from the ice storm. Thinking I may have nearly 3 cord of good wood but an enormous amount of brush. Many brocken branches to high to get down. The storm pretty much effected about a 30 mile swath, to the south mostly rain fell, to the north, mostly snow (3.5'). Everyone who comes out says that they have never seen it so bad. Biggest surprise though is my dog Chester, on a typical rainy day he prefers to stay by the stove on his pillow, but he loves snow!

Quoting 408. QueensWreath:



Well I may dispute some of the things people state as facts, and that is a path into discussion. I always provide (can do now) solutions to pollution and needed moneys for new energy solutions for a cleaner Earth.


As long as you dispute using facts there would be no problems. I for one would welcome hearing anyone's suggestions for solutions to problems.
Wait For Me
Wait for me, and I'll come back!
Wait with all you've got!
Wait, when dreary yellow rains
Tell you, you should not.
Wait when snow is falling fast,
Wait when summer's hot,
Wait when yesterdays are past,
Others are forgot.
Wait, when from that far-off place,
Letters don't arrive.
Wait, when those with whom you wait
Doubt if I'm alive.

Wait for me, and I'll come back!
Wait in patience yet
When they tell you off by heart
That you should forget.
Even when my dearest ones
Say that I am lost,
Even when my friends give up,
Sit and count the cost,
Drink a glass of bitter wine
To the fallen friend -
Wait! And do not drink with them!
Wait until the end!

Wait for me and I'll come back,
Dodging every fate!
"What a bit of luck!" they'll say,
Those that did not wait.
They will never understand
How amidst the strife,
By your waiting for me, dear,
You had saved my life.
How I made it, we shall know,
Only you and I.
You alone knew how to wait -
We alone know why!

.Kiril Mikhailovich Simonov
Quoting 411. SunnyDaysFla:



As long as you dispute using facts there would be no problems. I for one would welcome hearing anyone's suggestions for solutions to problems.


Are you blind to the point I am making?
If the science is settled and the scientists have no desire to look further then how are they going to improve their computer models to become more accurate?
Defending the settled science is one thing, defending it by not looking deeper is another.
And by completely dismissing any outside idea as not peer reviewed is not reviewing it by peers with an outside the box mindset.
I get the fact that your derogatory term of denier has merit. What I am saying is that that complete denial of other information that has not been COMPLETELY researched is a form of denial as well and that mindset stifles scientific furtherance.
You can not debate science like you would a social problem where there are multiple valid viewpoints.
So QueensWreath, are you saying that you have ideas that no accredited scientist has thought of?
BTW
As I try and further discussions and thought on this DEAD BLOG, I see why the BLOG PART HAS DIED! You(tyrants) are to blame... NOT the dissenters. or as "you" would put it.. "DENIERS"
Why have a blog if the science is settled?
Why bother with the need for moderators if there is no need for an alternate view of what is as "YOU PUT IT" settled science? If it is settled then there is no need for any advancement because "YOU" know all there is to know and there can be no further advancement because "IT IS SETTLED" Settled so no need for any NON PEER review.
Pathetic safe space cowards are so tired of defending settled science that their solution is to shut down questioning and debate.
Sounds so reasonable and forward thinking. NOT!
Quoting 416. SunnyDaysFla:

So QueensWreath, are you saying that you have ideas that no accredited scientist has thought of?


Stop with the hyper conclusions!
That is a juvenile tactic!
Sorry Keeper . I n my heart I knew I should have just ignored. But sometimes...it is tough to do.
Quoting 416. SunnyDaysFla:

So QueensWreath, are you saying that you have ideas that no accredited scientist has thought of?

No I am not.
I am saying that there are ways to get new technology for a cleaner planet and that it will take money.
So far all the solutions I have been reading from "your peers"are that the Government fund all that is to be. You know the Gov. (THE TAX PAYER) and nevermind the fact that the tax payers are struggling and the Governments that are to pay for your utopia instant solutions are flat broke with debts above 100% of GDP!
So your solutions seem to be squeeze out more from the taxpayer and send that money to the Government GODS. YUP take that money from the individual entrepreneur and give it to a bloated broke government. Take that MONEY FROM THE NEXT ELON MUSK and give it to the pit of a wasteful BROKE GOVERNMENT!
And while you are at it, do not ever review any contrary scientific study that does not fit the "PLAN" so you can say the idea is not peer reviewed.
Just degrade and kill any hopes of a new revelation or any start up genius because the science is settled and the Government is where the new innovations will come from. Be damned the next Elon Musk and put all MY HARD EARNED MONEYES INTO YOUR GOVERNMENT SAVIOR!
NOT!
I will never be a part of that short sighted plan to fail. An idiotic investment in a system that is bankrupt and shuts down all debate is not a winning plan!
Quoting 420. SunnyDaysFla:

Sorry Keeper . I n my heart I knew I should have just ignored. But sometimes...it is tough to do.


Actually you did ignore.
You read. You did not care to understand. You then ridiculed and demeaned, but you did not try a discussion.
ie. ignored and attacked quite rudely. So I did not try a discussion in my response.
I gave it to you as you gave it to me.
Keep.... you agree?
Remember you responded to my open comment. Not a comment directed at you.
Quoting 415. SunnyDaysFla:

You can not debate science like you would a social problem where there are multiple valid viewpoints.


Oh yes I can!
I can do so because the scientists are demanding social change in order to get their cure! You bet your arse I can debate science " like you would a social problem " It has become one in the same! VERY MUCH SO!
Comments like #418 and the people who post them are probably part of the reason Dr. Masters decided to dispense with member blogs. Who wants to deal with that, seriously?
425. elioe
This is funny.

426. elioe
Quoting 424. TheBigBanana:

Comments like #418 and the people who post them are probably part of the reason Dr. Masters decided to dispense with member blogs. Who wants to deal with that, seriously?


I'm not so sure, that Dr. Masters had anything to do with that decision. A more weighing factor might be the will of IBM to get much revenue. Assuming, that blog visitors, lurkers and commentators alike, generate sizeable portion of WU revenue with site clicks, there would be a need to accommodate wishes of both AGW "accepters" and "deniers". That would happen by removing these AGW discussions from being seen in conjunction with the featured blog posts, and allowing "accepters" and "deniers" to separate into different threads. The current situation accommodates the "accepters", but for "deniers" to feel welcome on a site, they need a corner, where their bubble doesn't burst.
Quoting 420. SunnyDaysFla:

Sorry Keeper . I n my heart I knew I should have just ignored. But sometimes...it is tough to do.

don't be sorry if anyone is sorry it will be me
gonna just let this place bleed out the next 29 days
and pick up the pieces and move on to the new format
after that see how it all goes
wunder blogs and any resemblance of them will be gone
all this will just end up being comment less entries
and seen only if you enter the name of members
in an archive search bar
Quoting 425. elioe:

This is funny.




Well... it looks like I have to ride out the storm in Antananarivo and cancel my trip to the east coast...

Quoting 389. HurricaneFan:

95S looks very much like a tropical storm this evening, but at this rate an eye may pop out before it is named...lol


southwest Indian Ocean RSMC are fairly good at naming a system before an eyewall appears.

as of 1000AM RET it does have a name with winds of 35 knots (10 min) average.

429. Carnivorous
8:04 AM GMT on March 03, 2017


the 08/10 h location in the cone of uncertainty has the forecast of 100 knots (115 knots/1 min). A category 4 on the Saffir-Simpson scale
432. elioe
Quoting Meteo-France La Reunion:

Bulletin du 03 mars à 10H36 locales Réunion:
TEMPETE TROPICALE MODEREE ENAWO.
Pression estimée au centre: 998 HPA. [...]


That pressure is pretty much in line with ECMWF, UKM and HWRF, but lower than GFS.
Morning all. Slightly off the tornado topic, but this of interest I think; Arctic sea ice heading towards its Winter maximum extent, although this year it appears to be much lower than in previous years:

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

A new "minimum maximum", maybe? (If that term makes sense ...)
Good morning, WU folks.

Forecasts for cyclone Enawo are really bullish. Is it due to its size?


Click to enlarge.




German weather site with some maps: Link.
Quoting 433. JCheevorLoophole42:

Morning all. Slightly off the tornado topic, but this of interest I think; Arctic sea ice heading towards its Winter maximum extent, although this year it appears to be much lower than in previous years:

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

A new "minimum maximum", maybe? (If that term makes sense ...)

Maybe. But things can change quickly up there this time of the year.
Quoting 407. SunnyDaysFla:

Sorry QueensWreath it is time you realized that you do not deserve equal space on a science blog for your beliefs. Yes, if you wish to discuss solutions to problems, your views on that should get a respectful hearing, but not your refusal to acknowledge the facts. I long wondered why Dr Msters has been so patient with the denial garbage some post. My conclusion is that we have had many articulate ,well informed bloggers who have the facts at the tip of their fingers to counter the false statements, thereby informing those who come here wanting the real truth.
Hi Sunny, get out much to enjoy the weather, is this what you call a science blog? How many members actually have the knowledge to really discuss Climate Change and do something about it? Are their any members on here with PHD's in Climate Weather, or Science, who really have a clue to what is going on, and can have an open conversation about what is happening to our planets atmosphere ? The few people I know, will discuss their views with others without getting into an argumentive state, and are open to other people views on a said subject. My degree is not in Climate Science, so I very rarely get involved with said discussions, and I hope others will follow. Unless you have the degrees and knowledge to help educate us in a said subject, please listen to others who may help us all learn.
I haven't seen this being posted:
antarctic-ice ...


Quoting 434. barbamz:

Good morning, WU folks.

Forecasts for cyclone Enawo are really bullish. Is it due to its size?

Definitely a huge system, but I see it spreading out to form secondary blobs (we've seen that before) instead of focusing to form an eye. RI may still be on the cards, but I'd want to see that SE blob to connect and form a proper outflow channel.

Quoting 394. wilsonbiggs:

I do wish WU would add an actual forum system like PhpBB - A stream of comments like this isn't really the best way to hold conversations, and it'd solve the issue of everything being mixed together.


That's what I was hoping for when the word "forum" was used, guess it's not going to be like that?
Good Morning Folks; I see Yall have the Indian Ocean storm covered this morning.
Here is the Conus forecast for today and current look:

The Indian Ocean storm is a rather weird looking tropical storm this morning, and looks like a two part storm, but note where JTWC has the center fix. Lots of dry air entrainment in the Eastern Quad and part of the COC appears to be exposed due the high level of North Easterly sheer coming into the core. That is preventing that huge band to the South from hooking up with the core and wrapping in.

The sheer and associated dry air is basically cutting the storm in half at the moment:






Here is the upper level divergence. The storm is spinning clock wise in the Southern Hemisphere and the sheer is preventing a good outflow channel over the N-NE quad at the moment............It's going to take some time for the sheer to relax and for the storm to mix out that dry air:



Weird weather with low "Xaver" in western Europe right now and over the weekend:


Current IR loop.

Southern France warned for fierce winds and snow
The Local (France), 3 March 2017, 14:05 CET 01:00

Tomorrow Foehn-winds with hurricane force are going to race over the summits of the Alps, with very mild temperatures from the south in its luggage for Germany et al.:


Map for tomorrow from wetteronline.de
:-)

Down's Syndrome woman to present weather on French TV after winning hearts
The Local (France), 3 March 2017, 11:15 CET+01:00
Mélanie's dream has always been to be a weather presenter on TV - and that dream is about to become a reality after her social media campaign went viral. ...

445. elioe
HWRF has joined the group of models, which menace Madagascar. And the track is funny.



Edit: My cyclone symbols spinned to wrong direction :P
In recent times we have seen several low-latitude storms form secondary blobs, wondering what is causing this
phenomenon. GW theory expects fewer but stronger storms, but what if these systems became so big that they would struggle to stay focused - due to not enough coriolis spin - and rather follow the centrifugal forces?
Matthew (same abs. latitude as Enawo) was apparently blown apart by the Foehn from a high mountain and thus peaked in his early stages, with a lot of ACE getting fed into the blob that went to DomRep. I remember one of the Epac storms late last year (name, latitude?) doing the same even without being externally disturbed.
Perhaps this "being-blown-away-phenomenon" will spare us some monster storms that would catch up with the Doc's blog name ...
Can't wait to see what Enawo will do there.
Quoting 437. EmsiNasklug:

I haven't seen this being posted:
antarctic-ice ...





For years we've been able to ignore the antarctic as it didn't seem to be losing ice. Deniers used it as a bulwark against arctic ice losses.
Not any more.
Quoting 123. Some1Has2BtheRookie:



I do not see any issues being raised against wealth or corporations. I believe that you are confusing the issue. This is not about what corporations have been. This is about what corporations have become.
Rookie, I haven't caught up on the comments yet, so I may be repeating someone else: corporations do what they do because the people owning and running them want "that" done. Mostly, these days, "that" is creating more compensation for the top bosses and more profit for the owners - and usually in that priority. Corporations are the way they are because of the people running them. Unfortunately many - most? - of the people running big corporations today are short sighted and greedy, interested in keeping their jobs and obscene compensation, but not concerned about the welfare of the public or the country. (obviously it's not necessary to be receiving obscene compensation in order to have this attitude - just look around)

Which is maybe a long way of saying, decisions about the future of WU are not made by IBM - they are made by people in management who want to make more money for themselves and their bosses and owners and advertisers. I think WU will be gone in a few years because the WU-ers will leave, meaning fewer clicks, meaning less advertising revenue, meaning fewer advertisers, meaning less money for IBM, meaning - "this product is being eliminated because its unprofitable". Sad.

To echo something you said in another comment, I have been wondering for 25 years now just exactly where corporations (and their investors!) expected to find their consumers after they had downsized and automated everyone out of a job. A company announces it's cutting its workforce by 15% and its stock goes up? Insanity.
Quoting 439. 1Zach1:



That's what I was hoping for when the word "forum" was used, guess it's not going to be like that?


This is a little "old-fashioned" isn't it?
Ten years ago it was "de rigueur"
Now I'm just learning how to use it!
I'll learn how to use the next one, too.
Goes-16 loop of dayLink
What amazes me is that TWC took the wu format and made a 10 hour a week wutv spot out of us. In the 2 years now, they have had on multitudes of PWS owners. And not a single blogger. The blogs success was the biggest surprise of this site 11 year's ago, Now, it will be a shadow of what was once a great forum.

Sadness, anger and WTH comes to my mind.

....And far away, across the fields, The tolling of the iron bell, calls the faithful to their knees, to hear the softly spoken magic spell's..



Climate Change Is Turning Minor Floods Into A Major Problem
The result of increasingly frequent “nuisance” flooding could be even more destructive than disasters like Katrina and Sandy.

By Joseph Erbentraut


It goes without saying that major natural disasters like Hurricane Katrina and Superstorm Sandy, deservedly, tend to capture far more media attention than less extreme, more localized flooding.

But ignoring those minor storms could prove costly, according to a new study authored by University of California-Irvine researchers and published last month in the Earth’s Future journal.

That’s because the impact of those minor storms could prove even more destructive in the near future. As is the case with extreme rainfall events, these storms are becoming increasingly common due to our warming planet.

Just because these storms tend to fly under the radar both in media and research circles doesn’t mean they should be taken any less seriously, according to study co-author Amir AghaKouchak, a civil and environmental engineering professor at University of California-Irvine.

“Non-extreme weather events don’t get a lot of attention, but we spend a lot of money on them,” AghaKouchak told The Huffington Post. “The cumulative costs are significant and we need to start monitoring them and collecting data to understand them better.”

AghaKouchak was inspired to look into the collective impacts of these smaller flooding events after he learned of the so-called long tail theory, which suggests the cumulative impact of a frequent, minor event could match or exceed that of a rare, major event.

He wondered if the impacts of more common, less extreme flooding events that might strike a coastal U.S. city, for example, a few times per month or a few times a year might similarly match — or even exceed — the impacts associated with major disasters on the magnitude of a Katrina or Sandy.

The results, based on a cumulative hazard index developed by the researchers, indicate that less extreme “nuisance” flooding could prove just as destructive to many cities, over time, as those extreme events.

The researchers’ analysis considered the future risk of flooding events ranging from minor “nuisance” flooding and extreme disasters and compared estimates of these storms’ impacts in 11 U.S. coastal cities.

Their analysis found that five of the cities — San Francisco, Seattle, Miami, New York and Washington, D.C. — had estimated impacts associated with minor flooding that was just as, or more, serious than the impacts associated with extreme events.



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Many U.S. cities are increasingly facing the challenge of minor, “nuisance” flooding. The impact over time could prove significant, University of California-Irvine researchers say.

Of course, the study notes, direct comparisons between the varying impacts of different types of storms are difficult to make, particularly when it comes to intangible costs like human fatalities that can be caused by extreme storms.

But still, the costs associated with minor storms can prove tremendous ― and life-threatening in their own right.

“If we act too late, we will have significant negative impacts,” AghaKouchak said.

Such flooding can significantly degrade infrastructure like roads and building foundations. It can also impact sewer infrastructure, potentially resulting in serious public health risks. These minor flooding events are also a drain on municipal budgets — due to the resources required to pump water out of streets — and also can force the closure of schools and businesses.

Rising sea levels spurred on by climate change are contributing to increased frequency, and an increased cumulative effect, of these storms.

In D.C., the study noted, the number of hours of nuisance flooding per year has increased almost 500 percent over the last 50 years, from about 19 hours between the years 1930 and 1970 to about 94 over the past two decades. Projections indicate that number will continue to grow at an increasing rate — to as much as 700 hours per year — by 2050.

To address the problem, AghaKouchak said coastal cities will need to get proactive with flood control measures, though he added that there is no one-size-fits-all solution.

New York City is already working to do just that, launching an ambitious flood resiliency plan that includes the large “Big U” project aims to flood-proof lower Manhattan.

The $505 million project, however, is not yet funded fully. And, of course, what works in New York may not work in Miami — or anywhere else for that matter.

“These issues are very local and there is no single recipe for all cities around the country,” AghaKouchak said. “Each city has to come up with their own plan, and each plan won’t necessarily work in other places.”

The issue is growing more serious with time. The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s latest sea-level rise estimate anticipates scenarios ranging from 1 foot to an “extreme” 8.2 feet rise by 2100.

Beyond the inconvenience of shutting down roads or schools, the trend could force millions of people from their homes. A recent study estimated that as many as 13.1 million Americans could be displaced if the sea level rises 6 inches by century’s end. An estimated 4.2 million people would be forced out of their homes by a 3-inch rise, according to the study.

Because the stakes are so high, AghaKouchak believes action should be taken— and funded — as quickly as possible.

“This may not get a lot of attention, but beyond a certain point, we will see the impacts everywhere,” AghaKouchak said. “The sooner we take action and plan, the better.”

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Joseph Erbentraut covers promising innovations and challenges in the areas of food, water, agriculture and our climate. Follow Erbentraut on Twitter at @robojojo. Tips? Email joseph.erbentraut@huffingtonpost.com.

The GFS model seems to have an issue with showing minimum pressures of strong tropical cyclones that are way too low. For instance, it shows Enawo deepening into the 870s despite winds of only around 125-130 kt. I also remember it showed Gaston last August as a 907 mb storm with winds only around C3 strength.
Size matters in cyclones. Saw a Cat 3 once with a 28-30 ft storm surge, that surged inland 6 miles.




UW - CIMSS
ADVANCED DVORAK TECHNIQUE
ADT-Version 8.2.1
Tropical Cyclone Intensity Algorithm

----- Current Analysis -----
Date : 03 MAR 2017 Time : 141500 UTC
Lat : 13:08:49 S Lon : 56:16:43 E


CI# /Pressure/ Vmax
3.1 / 995.7mb/ 47.0kt


Final T# Adj T# Raw T#
3.1 3.4 3.4

Center Temp : -83.3C Cloud Region Temp : -69.5C

Scene Type : UNIFORM CDO CLOUD REGION

Positioning Method : FORECAST INTERPOLATION

Ocean Basin : INDIAN
Dvorak CI > MSLP Conversion Used : CKZ Method

Tno/CI Rules : Constraint Limits : NO LIMIT
Weakening Flag : OFF
Rapid Dissipation Flag : OFF

C/K/Z MSLP Estimate Inputs :
- Average 34 knot radii : 80km
- Environmental MSLP : 1006mb

Satellite Name : MSG1
Satellite Viewing Angle : 23.0 degrees

************************************************* ***



Quoting 423. QueensWreath:



Oh yes I can!
I can do so because the scientists are demanding social change in order to get their cure! You bet your arse I can debate science " like you would a social problem " It has become one in the same! VERY MUCH SO!

Science is grounded in the belief that the concept of objective reality actually exists. You seem to be arguing that the inherently subjective belief systems (religion, political philosophy) that come into play with social issues have a higher priority then the objective reality of science. I'll grant you that this has been the prevailing attitude throughout history ("If you behave yourselves and do what we tell you to do and believe what we tell you to believe, then the god(s) will bring you prosperity."). However, history leaves no doubt that this cowardly clinging to a security that does not exist has piled disaster on top of disaster. You apparently understand that if the science of AGW is correct, then it will no longer be tenable to organize society around the demands of religion or political philosophy. But you seem to believe that society MUST be organized around the demands of religion and political philosophy. Therefore, you choose to reject the science of AGW. I don't think this is helpful in the least.
Pat...I have to agree with you. It would have been nice if WU could remain the same. But when something becomes so popular that the bigger companies want it, they buy it, dice it and repackage it so that what was in the original package is no longer the same. Honey you have been on this planet long enough to know its their rules and we just play along.
Well, you're right 3Sea,....


At least my Song Remains the Same'
In addition to Enawo in the SWIO, a small tropical cyclone is likely to form and make a direct hit on Australia in a few days:
Is this correct? 5 inches of snow in one hour?

METAR KYNG 031451Z 26012KT 1/4SM SN FZFG VV006 M05/M07 A3030 RMK AO2 SLP279 SNINCR 5/6 P0006 60008 T10501072 51020
Quoting 450. FLwolverine:

Rookie, I haven't caught up on the comments yet, so I may be repeating someone else: corporations do what they do because the people owning and running them want "that" done. Mostly, these days, "that" is creating more compensation for the top bosses and more profit for the owners - and usually in that priority. Corporations are the way they are because of the people running them. Unfortunately many - most? - of the people running big corporations today are short sighted and greedy, interested in keeping their jobs and obscene compensation, but not concerned about the welfare of the public or the country. (obviously it's not necessary to be receiving obscene compensation in order to have this attitude - just look around)

Which is maybe a long way of saying, decisions about the future of WU are not made by IBM - they are made by people in management who want to make more money for themselves and their bosses and owners and advertisers. I think WU will be gone in a few years because the WU-ers will leave, meaning fewer clicks, meaning less advertising revenue, meaning fewer advertisers, meaning less money for IBM, meaning - "this product is being eliminated because its unprofitable". Sad.

To echo something you said in another comment, I have been wondering for 25 years now just exactly where corporations (and their investors!) expected to find their consumers after they had downsized and automated everyone out of a job. A company announces it's cutting its workforce by 15% and its stock goes up? Insanity.


For-profit Corporations are structurally antisocial: If a CEO chooses a path for moral reasons that also has a negative effect on profit, s/he will get sued by shareholders. So no one who would chose morality over profit would even consider holding a CEO position, or any position of leadership in a corporation. "Money first, the hell with with anything else"

If an individual behaved that way, everyone would understand that it was sociopathic behavior.

Said it before, here it is again: For-profit corporations are a social disease.

It's a real disease, and, left untreated, will result in demise, total and final.

Not all their disinformational strategies, nor all their 'pull' and connections, not all their guns and weapons of war will controvert this truth. The Maw of Reality is infinitely capacious.
The core of Enawo is no longer exposed and starting to wrap in the lower band but it still has to mix out the dry air; those little specks of white are probably hot towers around the core circulation:







Just a taste of what's to come, pretty sweet though.
Quoting 428. KEEPEROFTHEGATE:

wunder blogs and any resemblance of them will be gone
all this will just end up being comment less entries
and seen only if you enter the name of members
in an archive search bar


Hear a lot of back and forth about if this will be the same. No, it won't. Have yet to get anything such as a clear example as to what is to come. But this here back and forth that we have all liked for a long time; posting on Jeff's entries, is done. Heard there will be multiple threads and topics will be broken down into more diverse sections. Been told there will still be a "blog" on those we can chat and discuss the topics. I will wait and see, but I am not holding my breath. The individuality that this blog has allowed to flourish over the years has been slowly eroded and this is the death nail. They could have promoted this blog a lot harder than they did over the years. They didn't. They could have made updates or overhauled the blog and it would have been better and flourished. Mind you, without changing the blog as a whole. They didn't. This blog was never a problem or one that needed to die as we know it. It was one of the reasons why WU got bought in the first place. So one has to ask themselves why they are chopping it's head off?
JeffMasters has created a new entry.
There is poor confidence in the steering currents in terms of the current forecast for the storm per the portion of the earlier discussion below but with the general consensus that Enawo will get stronger once it moves away from the coast of Madagascar; problem will be as to how close it gets and how much it slows down as noted.  The strongest Quad in the SH is the W-NW Quad of the storm and it would end up raking up the Coast causing torrential rains and flooding..............Have to wait to see how all this evolves:

WTXS31 PGTW 030900
MSGID/GENADMIN/JOINT TYPHOON WRNCEN PEARL HARBOR HI//
SUBJ/TROPICAL CYCLONE 09S (NINE) WARNING NR 001//
RMKS/
1. TROPICAL CYCLONE 09S (NINE) WARNING NR 001
01 ACTIVE TROPICAL CYCLONE IN SOUTHIO
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS BASED ON ONE-MINUTE AVERAGE
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
---
WARNING POSITION:
030600Z --- NEAR 12.7S 56.8E
MOVEMENT PAST SIX HOURS - 240 DEGREES AT 10 KTS
POSITION ACCURATE TO WITHIN 030 NM
POSITION BASED ON CENTER LOCATED BY SATELLITE
PRESENT WIND DISTRIBUTION:
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 035 KT, GUSTS 045 KT
09S IS EXPECTED TO SLOW IN FOREWORD 
SPEED OVER THE NEXT 36 HOURS DUE TO A COMPETING UPPER-LEVEL STEERING
PATTERN, BETWEEN THE NETR TO THE EAST AND A STR TO THE SOUTHWEST.
AFTER TAU 36, THE NETR WILL BEGIN TO STRENGTHEN AS THE STR
RETROGRADES TO THE WEST. DYNAMIC MODEL GUIDANCE REMAINS IN OVERALL
POOR AGREEMENT ON THE COMPLEX UPPER-LEVEL STEERING PATTERN, WITH A
635 NM SPREAD IN THE TRACKERS AT TAU 120. THE CURRENT FORECAST
FAVORS A BLEND OF THE GFS AND ECMWF BASED ON THE CONSISTENCY OF
THESE TRACKERS OVER THE LAST FEW RUNS. CONFIDENCE IN THE JTWC
FORECAST TRACK REMAINS POOR AT THIS TIME.
There have been a lot of questions about what the new comment section to the blog will look like, come April. Below is an example of what it will look like, from a version we are currently testing:




Jeff Masters