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Nightmare on Christmas: Super Typhoon Nock-Ten Pounds the Philippines

By: Jeff Masters 5:09 PM GMT on December 26, 2016

Super Typhoon Nock-Ten struck the Philippines on Christmas Day as a Category 4 storm with 155 mph winds, making it the strongest landfalling typhoon on record anywhere in the Northwest Pacific so late in the year. Only two non-landfalling typhoons have been as strong as Nock-Ten so late in the year: Super Typhoon Hester, which peaked as a Category 5 storm with 185 mph winds on December 31, 1952, about 1,000 miles east of the Philippines, and Super Typhoon Susan, which peaked at 155 mph winds in a similar location on December 27, 1963. Nock-Ten peaked in intensity on Saturday morning, when the Joint Typhoon Warning Center (JTWC) estimated that the storm had sustained 1-minute winds of 155 mph and the Japan Meteorological Agency estimated a 915 mb central pressure.


Figure 1. MODIS satellite image of Nock-ten taken at approximately 06 UTC December 25, 2016. At the time, Nock-ten was a Category 4 super typhoon with 155 mph winds, approaching the Philippines. Image credit: NASA.

It is too early to know what sort of damage or casualties Nock-Ten may have inflicted, but the destruction is likely to be significant. Here are the details on the four landfalls Nock-Ten made, courtesy of Aon Benfield:

1ST LANDFALL: 
LANDFALL LOCATION: Bato, Catanduanes, Philippines
. LANDFALL TIMEFRAME: 06:30PM PHT local time, December 25 (10:30 UTC)
. LANDFALL INTENSITY: 250 kph (155 mph) - Category 4



2ND LANDFALL:
 LANDFALL LOCATION: Sagnay, Camarines Sur, Philippines.
 LANDFALL TIMEFRAME: 09:30PM PHT local time, December 25 (13:30 UTC)
. LANDFALL INTENSITY: 240 kph (150 mph) - Category 4



3RD LANDFALL:
 LANDFALL LOCATION: San Andres, Quezon, Philippines. 
LANDFALL TIMEFRAME: 02:00AM PHT local time, December 26 (18:00 UTC, December 25). 
LANDFALL INTENSITY: 185 kph (115 mph) - Category 3



4TH LANDFALL:
 LANDFALL LOCATION: Marinduque, Philippines
. LANDFALL TIMEFRAME: 04:30AM PHT local time, December 26 (20:30 UTC, December 25). 
LANDFALL INTENSITY: 185 kph (115 mph) - Category 3

The strongest Christmas Day typhoon on record for the Philippines
Nock-Ten was not the first typhoon to hit the Philippines on Christmas Day, but it was the strongest. The other two typhoons to hit the islands on Christmas Day were Category 2 Typhoon Lee in 1981 and Category 2 Typhoon Jean in 1947. The worst tropical cyclone in world history to strike on Christmas Day was Category 3 Cyclone Tracy, which devastated Darwin, Australia in 1974, killing 71 people and destroying 80% of the homes in the city.

According to NOAA’s historical hurricane archive, only seven major typhoons of Category 3 or stronger intensity have hit the Philippines in December:

Category 4 Typhoon Harriet on December 31, 1959 (145 mph winds)
Category 3 Typhoon Opal on December 14, 1964 (115 mph winds)
Category 4 Typhoon Nanmadol on December 2, 2004 (135 mph winds)
Category 3 Typhoon Hagupit on December 6, 2014 (125 mph winds)
Category 5 Typhoon Gilda on December 18, 1959 (160 mph winds)
Category 4 Typhoon Manny on December 9, 1993 (130 mph winds)
Category 5 Typhoon Bopha on December 3, 2012 (170 mph winds)

Note: the charts and advisories are not working on our main site for Nock-Ten; please use our mobile site to get the tracking maps and advisories for the storm.

Jeff Masters

Hurricane

The views of the author are his/her own and do not necessarily represent the position of The Weather Company or its parent, IBM.

Reader Comments

PAGASA mentioned Batangas province as a landfall area as well.

JMA map shows it did get close to the province.

ERIK DE CASTRO / REUTERS
A port worker stands amidst debris swept from the sea at the height of Typhoon Nock Ten in Mabini, Batangas, in the Philippines December 26, 2016. (REUTERS/Erik De Castro)

Typhoon Slams Into Central Philippines, Cutting Off Power
Around 218,000 people fled to evacuation centers after authorities warned of storm surges and flooding in coastal villages and low-lying areas.
12/26/2016 07:58 am ET

By Enrico Dela Cruz

MANILA (Reuters) - A typhoon slammed into central Philippines late on Sunday, bringing strong winds and heavy rains and cutting off power, but there were no immediate reports of casualties, weather officials and radio reports said.

Typhoon Nock-ten was packing maximum sustained winds of 185 kph (115 mph) with gusts up to 255 kph when it made landfall over Catanduanes province, which was under the highest storm alert, on the Bicol peninsula on Sunday evening.

The typhoon made a second landfall over Camarines Sur province, then weakened slightly with winds of 175 kph but gusts at 290 kph, the weather bureau said.

“We continue to pray, stay positive and stay alert. Brownout in a lot of areas already,” Camarines Sur Governor Miguel Luis Villafuerte said in a post on his Instagram account.

Communication lines have been cut in some areas, radio reports said.

Around 218,000 people fled to evacuation centers after authorities warned of storm surges and flooding in coastal villages and low-lying areas.

Nock-ten could make another landfall early on Monday while moving west faster at 20 kph, from 15 kph previously, and crossing the provinces of Camarines Norte, Southern Quezon, Laguna, Batangas, and Cavite, weather forecasters said.

The typhoon’s eye will be near Metro Manila on Monday afternoon, they said.

Land, sea and air travel has been suspended in some areas, leaving stranded thousands of people heading home for Christmas in the mostly Christian country.

In 2013, more than 6,000 people were killed and 200,000 homes destroyed when TyphoonHaiyan, the strongest-ever storm to make landfall in the Philippines, hit the central islands of Leyte and Samar.

About 20 major typhoons pass through the Philippines each year. Since 1948, at least seven have hit during the Christmas period.



(Editing by Ruth Pitchford)

The core idea here begins with the fact that the Arctic is warming up faster than the mid-latitudes and the equator, and losing its characteristic floating sea ice cover in the process. This also changes the Arctic atmosphere, the theory goes, and these changes interact with large scale atmospheric patterns that affect our weather (phenomena like the jet stream and the polar vortex). We won't get into the details yet, but in essence, the result can be a kind of swapping of the cold air masses of the Arctic with the warm air masses to the south of them. The Arctic then gets hot (relatively), and the mid-latitudes including sometimes, as during the infamous polar vortex event of 2013-2014, the United States get cold.

Here's an animation, provided by Jason Box of the Geological Survey of Denmark and Greenland, of what this might look like. It shows that both during the November major Arctic warming event, and again this week, temperatures over the Arctic ocean spiked far above their average, while temperatures over some high or mid-latitude land surfaces in the Northern Hemisphere fell well below average (the Arctic is at the far right):


Thanks for the update! One just can hope that news from Philippines will not become too bad tomorrow.

Meanwhile in Australia:


Uluru closed due to record rain and flash flooding
World-renowned Australian national park off limits 'until further notice' as a deep low-pressure system moves across Northern Territory
The Guardian, Australian Associated Press, Monday 26 December 2016 05.12 GMT

More with pics and videos see post #161 at the end of last comment section.
“There’s a lot of water … coming off the rock and what that does is just channels across the ring road around Uluru, some of those roads there were flooded by about 300-400mm of rain. Quite spectacular but very hazardous road conditions,” park manager Mike Misso told ABC.

Busy, busy, busy...................

DNR Censors All Climate Change Info
Long stated facts, scientific consensus on climate change and Great Lakes removed.

Climate change censors driven by science denial and obeisance to polluters these days at the GOP-managed, Scott Walker-redefined “chamber of commerce mentality” Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources are at it again.

Not content with having already stripped content and links from an agency webpage about climate change – – deletions I documented some years ago and which I have frequently referenced – – the ideologues intent on scrubbing science off these pages and sowing doubt and confusion about the consensus view of experts worldwide about climate change have edited, deleted and otherwise compressed information in order to whitewash long-standing concepts and facts off a climate change page about the Great Lakes – – the same way, I will add, that Walker edited and watered-down the Wisconsin Idea, which has for decades had been the University system’s historic mission statement.


Link

Dreamland.

Breaking trail up to Huntoon pt 5200' between Mt Baker and Mt Shuksan (pictured check out wunderphotos for more). Down in the valley we have a few inches of snow for our first white Xmas in years, with more on the way. Hope everyone had a nice and safe holiday. Especially hoping those with family and friends in the Philippines are doing OK.
The record-smashing month of December in Southwest Florida continues. Fort Myers warmed to 88 degrees on Sunday afternoon making it the warmest Christmas Day in the city since 1902 when consistent records began being kept by the National Weather Service.

Christmas Day's temperature reading breaks the previous record high of 87 degrees recorded just one year ago in 2015.

So far this month at least 10 heat-related records have been set between Fort Myers and Naples. Daily record highs were set in Fort Myers on Dec. 4th, 5th, 17th, 18th, 19th, and 24th. Naples set a record high on Dec. 20th and was also dubbed the warmest city in the United States on that day as well.

Also of note this month is that Fort Myers' record high of 91 degrees on Dec. 19th is now the warmest December day on record in Fort Myers and also marks the latest in the year a temperature reading has been able to top 90 degrees.
Finally got logged in after almost 2 hours. I was here when this blog started and I just got to comment on it. Glad I do not live in the path of Nock-Ten. Best Wishes to those in its path...
temps to soar to low 50's by mid afternoon here
the snow is melting away good
by this evening there likely wont be much snow cover left on the ground here
thanks for the Christmas nightmare update have a great day
stay out of the malls its a mad house out there
Thanks for the update Dr Masters!
Through much research and analyses I have concluded that stupidity is rampant.
Oysters Rockefeller before 1pm is living large here.

The lemons gave their all.

Urrrrp'

It is amazing to me that one individual can post something on Facebook or send out a tweet and possibly start a nuclear war. Sounds crazy doesn't it?

Weather here is unseasonably warm.
Quoting 12. washingaway:

Duped by fake news story, Pakistani minister threatens nuclear war with Israel


You know this story is about Facebook fake news via CNN?
Not really what most people are looking for on a climate blog. Just saying.

But it's not just you. I came on the blog a couple days ago and out of the entire page, there were only 3 weather or climate related comments. The other 47 comments were all off topic with no connection to anything environmental or climate related.

I hope we can some how get back to a weather and climate blog.

On the weather note, another record high expected here in S.W. Florida with no rain in sight.
Patrap: Did ya here about diz un? Seth.

Seth: What one?

Patrap: Well, I hear one Man soon, a New Yorker pray tell, will have the ability to annihilate the Globe in less than 140 characters.

Seth: Who told you that?

Patrap: Er, ahhh, "My cousin, "Louie the lip slip" told me.

Seth: We r all doomed seems.

Quoting 17. Sfloridacat5:



You know this story is about Facebook fake news via CNN?
Not really what most people are looking for on a climate blog. Just saying.

But it's not just you. I came on the blog a couple days ago and out of the entire page, there were only 3 weather or climate related comments. The other 47 comments were all off topic with no connection to anything environmental or climate related.

I hope we can some how get back to a weather and climate blog.

On the weather note, another record high expected here in S.W. Florida with no rain in sight.

I understand the purpose of this blog I have been a member since 2006. Nuclear war trumps everything. Current events, including how politics (government policy) can effect our climate in the future is relevant here. Until this year, I can't recall every posting anything political. It's the insanity that I see that compels me to say something. I concede that sometimes I use satire to do it, but I need to find a way to laugh because this world is in some seriously deep $%^#.
rapid snow melt is underway in southern Ontario
be advised creeks and streams will be higher and faster
than normal for at least next 12 hrs or more
German TV news Tagesschau reports minimum 6 deaths from Nock-ten.
Quoting 14. Patrap:

Oysters Rockefeller before 1pm is living large here.

The lemons gave their all.

Urrrrp'



Mouth watering to the point of drool.
The problem right now, washing, is that everyone's hackles are up in this political climate, and for you to toss an off-topic, political remark out means that someone else simple must shoot back with their opinion. And before long, we get exactly what we've seen lately: everybody putting in their 2¢ and getting all angry and upset at each other, and the entire board overrun with ugliness. So please don't go baiting the trolls.
I know it's the slow time around here and maybe we want a little excitement, drama, and heated discussion to get going.. but I say let's not go there today.

UW - CIMSS
ADVANCED DVORAK TECHNIQUE
ADT-Version 8.2.1
Tropical Cyclone Intensity Algorithm

----- Current Analysis -----
Date : 26 DEC 2016 Time : 194000 UTC
Lat : 14:51:07 N Lon : 117:04:37 E


CI# /Pressure/ Vmax
3.4 / 995.1mb/ 53.0kt


Final T# Adj T# Raw T#
3.0 3.3 3.3

Center Temp : -74.1C Cloud Region Temp : -69.5C

Scene Type : UNIFORM CDO CLOUD REGION

Positioning Method : FORECAST INTERPOLATION

Ocean Basin : WEST PACIFIC
Dvorak CI > MSLP Conversion Used : CKZ Method

Tno/CI Rules : Constraint Limits : NO LIMIT
Weakening Flag : ON
Rapid Dissipation Flag : OFF

C/K/Z MSLP Estimate Inputs :
- Average 34 knot radii : 86km
- Environmental MSLP : 1010mb

Satellite Name : HIM-8
Satellite Viewing Angle : 32.5 degrees




Nice recent satellite pic of windstorm Barbara (German name) or Connor (UK name) over southern Norway on top of the display. The storm is now descending southeastwards over the Baltic Sea. After battering Scotland earlier the day, the storm is now triggering warnings f.e. in northern Germany. At the coastline of the Northern Sea a quite severe storm tide is looming in the hours to come (here a site with the forecasts and current readings of the gauges; click the dots).

In the last hour gusts up to 130kmh (81 mph) were recorded at hour German coast (link). Current gusts in Europe (link, updating).


Surface map for tomorrow with the center of storm Barbara (German name) or Connor (UK name) over the Baltic states and Finland.
Solar Pump Helps Herders Overcome Zimbabwe Drought

Mwanyisa said the solar-powered borehole has had other benefits too.

“The water component has made life easy for the women," she added. "So using hand pumping is now a thing of the past. So women are no longer spending much time at the watering points. They used to spend four, five hours just to water a herd of about 50 animals. Some were using deep wells to water their animals.”

Dorcas Sibanda owns six cattle. She said "I can now do other house chores while cattle are drinking from the trough. Plus I no longer disturb my children’s learning. They can take their time at school without hurrying home to help."


Link
The NWS temp forecast for Truckee, CA is 32F, and it's currently 12F at midday local time, what gives ?
Quoting 20. washingaway:




Truckee/Elevation
Image result for truckee elevation
5,817′

Truckee has a dry-summer continental climate (Köppen Dsb). Winters are extremely snowy and cold if not severe, while summers are cool-to-warm and dry, with occasional periods of intense thunderstorms.[8] Its location near the Sierra Nevada crest at 1,798 metres (5,899 ft) provides conditions for winter storms to commonly deposit nearly a meter of snow in a 24-hour storm event and the occasional week-long storm event can deliver 2 to 3 metres (79 to 118 in) of snow. The National Weather Service reports that Truckee’s warmest month is July with an average maximum temperature of 82.7 °F (28.2 °C) and an average minimum temperature of 42.4 °F (5.8 °C). January is the coldest month with an average maximum temperature of 40.9 °F (4.9 °C) and an average minimum temperature of 16.3 °F (−8.7 °C). The record maximum temperature of 104 °F (40 °C) was on July 6, 2007. The record minimum temperature of −28 °F (−33.3 °C) was on February 27, 1962. Annually, there are an average of 8.4 days with highs of 90 °F (32.2 °C) or higher and 239 with a high above 50 °F (10 °C). Freezing temperatures have been observed in every month of the year and there are an average of 228.4 nights with lows of 32 °F (0 °C) or lower – seven more than Fairbanks and only eight fewer than Nome – but only 6.0 nights with lows of 0 °F (−17.8 °C) or lower and 15.6 days where the high does not top freezing.

Normal annual precipitation in Truckee is 30.85 inches (783.6 mm); measurable precipitation (0.01 inches (0.25 mm) or more) occurs on an average of 87.0 days annually. The most precipitation in one month was 23.65 inches (600.7 mm) in December 1955, and the most precipitation in 24 hours was 5.21 inches (132.3 mm) on February 1, 1963. The wettest calendar year has been 1996 with 54.62 inches (1,387.3 mm) and the driest 1976 with 16.04 inches (407 mm),[9] although the extremes by “rain year” are a maximum of 53.50 inches (1,358.9 mm) between July 1981 and June 1982 and a low of 15.91 inches (404.1 mm) between July 2000 and June 2001.

Truckee has an average of 204.3 inches (5.19 m) of snow annually, which makes it the fifth snowiest city in the United States, whilst snow cover usually averages 28 inches (0.71 m) in February, but has exceeded 115 inches (2.92 m).[10] The most snow in one month was 196.0 inches (4.98 m) in February 1938, and the most in a season 444.30 inches (11.29 m) between July 1951 and June 1952.[11] The maximum 24-hour snowfall was 34.0 inches (0.86 m) on February 17, 1990.

The mythical ‘endless summer’ is becoming a detested reality in South Florida

In 2015 and again in 2016, Miami’s weather in December was essentially no different from that in June or July — high temperatures in the upper 80s, dew points in the upper 70s. The resulting heat index was then in the 90s.

In Miami, over a dozen records have already been broken this month. All of them have been heat-related records; there hasn’t been a single cold record in winter’s first month.


Link
Himawari-8 Loop of the Day: Closeup of the eye of Typhoon Nockten from 12/25 - Band 3 Rapid Scan Visible

I had a woman do a 180 once, just off my left steer tire crossing the Donner Summit . She looked right at me consumed by terror , going backwards down the mountain . She slammed on the brakes, and did another 180 , and we all trucked on into Reno.

I don't miss amature hour on the Donner Summit at all . Chaining up the drivers on the west side , what a miserable job.
36. vis0
Quoting 12. washingaway:

Duped by fake news story, Pakistani minister threatens nuclear war with Israel




Quoting 17. Sfloridacat5:



You know this story is about Facebook fake news via CNN?
Not really what most people are looking for on a climate blog. Just saying.

But
it's not just you. I came on the blog a couple days ago and out of the
entire page, there were only 3 weather or climate related comments. The
other 47 comments were all off topic with no connection to anything
environmental or climate related.

I hope we can some how get back to a weather and climate blog.

On the weather note, another record high expected here in S.W. Florida with no rain in sight.





Very much related to THIS blog. *yourself stated "environmental" as an accepted topic, that type of threat really ruins the environment just as lying 'bout real science findings.


Did you not notice how many "fake" reports via links stating there is no GW 2011-2015 where posted repeatedly on this blog.

Notice how so much fake news filled the airwaves/eWaves that even good meaning people think real science discoveries are fake and anything repeated by their fav fake news reporter must be real, specially if it allows the good thinking people to uh ...not have to think.

The alt-right ability to pull the wool over so many eyes has made it VERY IMPORTANT that humans find out what is real and what is fake on any subject .  Now since this is a weather/climate/present topic blog then alerting members as to what is fake newz as to any science related news that affects the globe (as a nuclear  attack would have been) and back up any thought WITH REAL UP TO DATE SCIENTIFIC PROOF is very important.  

 In this case most understand an ...a-bomb go boom not good (quoting myself)... so no need to add scientific proof of its dangers.

late breaking ...world is not flat (i know i know some
still think it is.  Fer da record my weird discoveries does show there
are energies that act as if the Earth is flat (hence acient African tribes read THAT energy and in lost tramnslations Europeans wrongly thought African other Eastern, Pacific Rim Nations tribes thought world was physically flat so Europeans eventually all humans lost opportunity to blend wisdom from both/all  camps  but physically its
still roundISH)

When people REPEATEDLY either by
"accident" or purposely generate or pass on false statements that affect the globe's health, they are lying to you.


so its not just washingaway, but vis0 too...

Good afternoon everyone! A local news story said Salt Lake City had its second snowiest Christmas day on record. I'm not sure where to verify that. Can anyone enlighten me?
Quoting 37. LAbonbon:

Good afternoon everyone! A local news story said Salt Lake City had its second snowiest Christmas day on record. I'm not sure where to verify that. Can anyone enlighten me?


Climatological Report (Daily)


Click Archived Data, then the date.


183
CDUS45 KSLC 261649
CLISLC


CLIMATE REPORT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE SALT LAKE CITY UT
949 AM MST MON DEC 26 2016


...................................

...THE SALT LAKE CITY UT CLIMATE SUMMARY FOR DECEMBER 25 2016...

CLIMATE NORMAL PERIOD 1981 TO 2010
CLIMATE RECORD PERIOD 1874 TO 2016


WEATHER ITEM OBSERVED TIME RECORD YEAR NORMAL DEPARTURE LAST
VALUE (LST) VALUE VALUE FROM YEAR
NORMAL
................................................. .................
TEMPERATURE (F)
YESTERDAY
MAXIMUM 31 1241 AM 59 1955 37 -6 29
MINIMUM 13 1139 PM -10 1879 22 -9 16
AVERAGE 22 29 -7 23

PRECIPITATION (IN)
YESTERDAY 0.49 1.14 2003 0.05 0.44 0.12
MONTH TO DATE 1.98 1.15 0.83 2.16
SINCE OCT 1 4.64 4.12 0.52 3.18
SINCE JAN 1 14.84 15.84 -1.00 16.07

SNOWFALL (IN)
YESTERDAY 8.6 9.0 1916 0.4 8.2 1.3
MONTH TO DATE 11.1 10.4 0.7 14.2
SINCE OCT 1 16.8 19.4 -2.6 15.6
SINCE JUL 1 16.8 19.4 -2.6 15.6
SNOW DEPTH 3

DEGREE DAYS
HEATING
YESTERDAY 43 36 7 42
MONTH TO DATE 816 862 -46 754
SINCE DEC 1 816 862 -46 754
SINCE JUL 1 1615 2080 -465 1696

COOLING
YESTERDAY 0 0 0 0
MONTH TO DATE 0 0 0 0
SINCE DEC 1 0 0 0 0
SINCE JAN 1 1619 1160 459 1444
................................................. .................


WIND (MPH)
RESULTANT WIND SPEED 8 RESULTANT WIND DIRECTION NW (310)
HIGHEST WIND SPEED 26 HIGHEST WIND DIRECTION NW (330)
HIGHEST GUST SPEED 32 HIGHEST GUST DIRECTION NW (330)
AVERAGE WIND SPEED 9.9


SKY COVER
POSSIBLE SUNSHINE MM
AVERAGE SKY COVER 0.9


WEATHER CONDITIONS
THE FOLLOWING WEATHER WAS RECORDED YESTERDAY.
SNOW
LIGHT SNOW
FOG
HAZE


RELATIVE HUMIDITY (PERCENT)
HIGHEST 100 1200 AM
LOWEST 75 100 PM
AVERAGE 88

................................................. .........


THE SALT LAKE CITY UT CLIMATE NORMALS FOR TODAY
NORMAL RECORD YEAR
MAXIMUM TEMPERATURE (F) 37 60 1933
MINIMUM TEMPERATURE (F) 22 -8 1924


SUNRISE AND SUNSET
DECEMBER 26 2016......SUNRISE 751 AM MST SUNSET 507 PM MST
DECEMBER 27 2016......SUNRISE 751 AM MST SUNSET 507 PM MST


- INDICATES NEGATIVE NUMBERS.
R INDICATES RECORD WAS SET OR TIED.
MM INDICATES DATA IS MISSING.
T INDICATES TRACE AMOUNT.
Some records were broken:

067
SXUS99 KSLC 260210 AAA
RERSLC

RECORD EVENT REPORT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE SALT LAKE CITY UT
705 PM MST SUN DEC 25 2016

...RECORD 24 HOUR PRECIPITATION REPORTED FOR DECEMBER 25TH...

STATION NEW RECORD OLD RECORD YEAR

MANTI 0.62 0.6 1904
PROVO BYU 0.91 0.7 2003
SPANISH FORK 1.33 0.76 2014


RECORD 24 HOUR SNOWFALL REPORTED FOR DECEMBER 25TH...

STATION NEW RECORD OLD RECORD YEAR

FILLMORE 9.0 6.0 1959
LAKETOWN 8.0 4.0 1941
MANTI 8.0 6.0 1981
PROVO BYU 7.3 6.0 1920
SPANISH FORK 14.0 11.0 2014


#38 - daddyjames - thank you! That was fast. So it was the second snowiest on record. Beautiful day all around. Woke up to snow and it kept snowing throughout the day. Any idea on how to find out where in the city this data is collected? SLC is interesting in regards to how observations are reported and forecasts are done. I've never lived anywhere that elevation is so significant. I'm slowly learning 'regular' reporting and forecasted locations that are similar to my location (geographic proximity and elevation). And the zone forecasts are new to me as well.

btw...is the notorious alter ego lurking about, or perhaps in hibernation?
Speaking of the Donner Summit, 170 years ago they were all stuck there in very deep of snow.

Little Virginia Reed wrote home the next spring to a friend with this advice about going West :

"Hurry along as fast you can, and don't take no shortcuts."
Quoting 25. Mediarologist:

The problem right now, washing, is that everyone's hackles are up in this political climate, and for you to toss an off-topic, political remark out means that someone else simple must shoot back with their opinion. And before long, we get exactly what we've seen lately: everybody putting in their 2¢ and getting all angry and upset at each other, and the entire board overrun with ugliness. So please don't go baiting the trolls.
I know it's the slow time around here and maybe we want a little excitement, drama, and heated discussion to get going.. but I say let's not go there today.

I agree I wil refrain. However, please note; the subject of climate change does the exact same thing.
Mountain Pine Beetles Still Beating The Cold In K-Country

Caroline Whitehouse is a Forest Health Specialist with Alberta Forestry and she says the recent cold has most likely done some good, but it still needs to get colder, and it needs to stick around.

"It definitely would have caused a certain amount of mortality in the population." Whitehouse adds "The effect is also variable depending on the population numbers themselves." This means in areas like northern Alberta the numbers might not change all that much, however here in the south and more specifically the K Country region could see Beetle Larvae mortality increase over the winter.

Whitehouse says for the cold weather to really help out it would need to get as cold as -35 and below as the Mountain Pine Beetles actually create and produce their own antifreeze to survive harsh winters.

"They survive by producing and storing a natural antifreeze, and it's this antifreeze that helps to keep the larvae (that's the life form that beetles spend the winter in) alive."


Link
Quoting 40. LAbonbon:

#38 - daddyjames - thank you! That was fast. So it was the second snowiest on record. Beautiful day all around. Woke up to snow and it kept snowing throughout the day. Any idea on how to find out where in the city this data is collected? SLC is interesting in regards to how observations are reported and forecasts are done. I've never lived anywhere that elevation is so significant. I'm slowly learning 'regular' reporting and forecasted locations that are similar to my location (geographic proximity and elevation). And the zone forecasts are new to me as well.

btw...is the notorious alter ego lurking about, or perhaps in hibernation?


You can also click on the NOWDATA tab, select "Climatology for a day", Pick a day, and see the history for that day. You can sort the data by columns. The top 10 "Snowfall" days for SLC on 12/25 are:

Date Temp: Max Min Precip Snowfall Snowdepth
1916-12-25 39 17 0.54 9.0 M
2016-12-25 31 13 0.49 8.6 3
2008-12-25 41 24 0.33 7.2 1
1943-12-25 34 28 0.50 5.9 M
2003-12-25 44 32 1.14 4.2 2
1983-12-25 30 22 0.43 3.9 11
1922-12-25 34 30 0.34 3.7 M
1988-12-25 36 23 0.18 3.5 2
1959-12-25 50 29 0.56 3.3 0
1904-12-25 36 20 0.31 3.0 M

THENOTORIOUSDADDYJ is always in the background, ready to take on any misrepresentation of the facts on climate change at a moment's notice! ;)
Quoting 12. washingaway:

Duped by fake news story, Pakistani minister threatens nuclear war with Israel


First they tricked you into thinking it's a term used by MSM to label alternative/conspiracy/fringe websites.

Now what clearly happens is that whenever you post an ACTUAL conspiracy content in any alternative/conspiracy/fringe website, the shill squadron quickly come out of their rocks to accuse you of posting "fake news", because as long as TPTB keep pushing there agenda to criminalize truthers, these individuals will become outcasts and easy targets in government-run joints disguised as alternative/conspiracy/fringe websites.

Got it?
@ LAbonbon

Not sure this is what you want in regards to location, but Utah does have a mesonet:

and a useful page of Links (including snowfall)
Supermarkets to fly in emergency salad from US after Spanish floods
Heavy rains in southern Spain have hit supplies of leafy salads, celery and broccoli with shortage set to last into new year

Supermarkets are preparing to fly in emergency salad from the US after heavy rains and flooding in Spain hit supplies.

About 80% of fresh produce – including leafy salads as well as celery and broccoli – sold in the UK at this time of year comes from the Murcia region in southern Spain.

Suppliers spoken to by the Guardian said yields in the region had dropped to as low as 30% of those expected at this time of year on some crops, such as little gem lettuces, as farmers’ fields were inundated last weekend. Celery yields have dropped to 40% of normal levels while some citrus crops, including satsumas and clementines, have also been affected.


Link
daddyjames - thank you so so much! I had only one of those bookmarked. These have the info I was looking for. :D
Quoting 45. frank727:



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Got it?


AHhh no Frank . And what ever it is you got I don't want to catch it.
Put together my best sat pics and such from 2016 blog.


Of social media, Trump and moderation there is a guy in Florida that has been jailed by Feds for making threatening posts against Trump on Facebook. His posts included.."I'm just glad Obama didn't take all our gunz! I see a good use for one now," and a picture of a camouflaged man holding a scoped sniper rifle and, above it, wrote, "The EXPEDITER of Trump! He will never last long." When asked what that meant he said.."Keep yer eyes open!"
Speaking of larger things that can change our weather , and climate here's the paper from last week -

Magmas near the critical degassing pressure drive volcanic unrest towards a critical state


critical degassing pressure (CDP)


We propose that magma could be approaching the CDP at Campi Flegrei, a volcano in the metropolitan area of Naples, one of the most densely inhabited areas in the world, and where accelerating deformation and heating are currently being observed.

Link
Well folks, I'm guessing little will change in the next few days and Arctic sea ice extent will continue solidly in record low territory. That means in 2016 we will have spent 177 days having the lowest arctic sea ice extent for that day since we've been keeping record. The longest stretch started October 19th to right now, where sea ice extent is currently hovering near 3 standard deviations below normal.

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/charctic-intera ctive-sea-ice-graph/

That's half the year for those keeping score.
54. bwi
Merry Christmas to me -- daughter got me a PWS! Not going to give very good wind readings since I've got it mounted pretty low the ground for now and our property is heavily forested. So I'll have to see how the wind readings eventually calibrate to NWS readings and other personal stations in the area. Eventually if it's producing good readings maybe I'll hook it up to WU -- it's a cheap one, but it's supposed to be WU compatible.
We can run that climate change experiment , where the Sun get's blocked by volcanic ash for months.

This is especially true for Campi Flegrei caldera (CFc), a long-lived resurgent caldera in the metropolitan area of Naples that was formed by the 39-ka Campanian Ignimbrite supereruption, which was the largest in Europe during the past 200 ka (ref. 18). Since the 1950s, CFc has been showing clear signs of potential reawaking, as indicated by frequent episodes of ground uplift (with a total of >3 m of permanent cumulative inflation at the caldera centre19), shallow seismicity20, and a visible increase in hydrothermal degassing14.

Quoting 53. Snacker2:

Well folks, I'm guessing little will change in the next few days and Arctic sea ice extent will continue solidly in record low territory. That means in 2016 we will have spent 177 days having the lowest arctic sea ice extent for that day since we've been keeping record. The longest stretch started October 19th to right now, where sea ice extent is currently hovering near 3 standard deviations below normal.

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/charctic-intera ctive-sea-ice-graph/

That's half the year for those keeping score.
FWIW, IJIS extent has been in first place 195 days this year, another 56 days in second, and an additional 67 days in third, for a total of 318, or 88.6%. And, since there's no chance of it falling out of first (where it's spent the past 67 days), it'll finish with 201 in first, and 324 in the top three.

Nothing to see here. Move right along...
Quoting 51. Skyepony:

Of social media, Trump and moderation there is a guy in Florida that has been jailed by Feds for making threatening posts against Trump on Facebook. His posts included.."I'm just glad Obama didn't take all our gunz! I see a good use for one now," and a picture of a camouflaged man holding a scoped sniper rifle and, above it, wrote, "The EXPEDITER of Trump! He will never last long." When asked what that meant he said.."Keep yer eyes open!"
That was pretty dumb. Regardless of their political persuasion, stupid people should not have guns. Period.
Quoting 6. RobertWC:

Busy, busy, busy...................

DNR Censors All Climate Change Info
Long stated facts, scientific consensus on climate change and Great Lakes removed.

Climate change censors driven by science denial and obeisance to polluters these days at the GOP-managed, Scott Walker-redefined “chamber of commerce mentality” Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources are at it again.

Not content with having already stripped content and links from an agency webpage about climate change – – deletions I documented some years ago and which I have frequently referenced – – the ideologues intent on scrubbing science off these pages and sowing doubt and confusion about the consensus view of experts worldwide about climate change have edited, deleted and otherwise compressed information in order to whitewash long-standing concepts and facts off a climate change page about the Great Lakes – – the same way, I will add, that Walker edited and watered-down the Wisconsin Idea, which has for decades had been the University system’s historic mission statement.


Link


Willful ignorance, especially on something so consequential, is hard to contemplate, at least for me. There is a great book out there, called "Willful Blindness: Why We Ignore the Obvious at Our Peril Paperback – July 3, 2012
by Margaret Heffernan Link

Heffernan is a world class consultant and the book is sensitively and intelligently written, and explores close up a number of examples of serious goof-ups, such as the O-ring issue with ...I'm thinking it was the space shuttle, and a case of a Korean airline flight that crashed because it ran out of fuel.... lots of serious things. But I can't now recall if she addresses this level of ignorance. It's just preposterous.

Scott Walker gets the Ruby Slippers award for the day.
Quoting 37. LAbonbon:

Good afternoon everyone! A local news story said Salt Lake City had its second snowiest Christmas day on record. I'm not sure where to verify that. Can anyone enlighten me?
Daddyjames gave you some great links. But if you just want the high points, Twitter is a great place:

Quoting 25. Mediarologist:

The problem right now, washing, is that everyone's hackles are up in this political climate, and for you to toss an off-topic, political remark out means that someone else simple must shoot back with their opinion. And before long, we get exactly what we've seen lately: everybody putting in their 2¢ and getting all angry and upset at each other, and the entire board overrun with ugliness. So please don't go baiting the trolls.
I know it's the slow time around here and maybe we want a little excitement, drama, and heated discussion to get going.. but I say let's not go there today.


I will offer the idea that some of the trolls, at least,, are helpful in that they challenge the rest to form their arguments more clearly, and underline the need that we get out there and make the science and its implications heard.

You know, the fossil fuels industry hire high powered PR firms to cause confusion and so delay action. Is there an organization out there with enough OOmph to do the same (hire a high-powered PR operation) in service of the facts. If not, can we create one?
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Quoting 61. RobertWC:

Leaky plumbing impedes Greenland Ice Sheet flow

Surface meltwater that drains to the bed of the Greenland Ice Sheet each summer causes changes in ice flow that cannot be fully explained by prevailing theories. Now a multinational, multidisciplinary team led by ice sheet modelers at Los Alamos National Laboratory is exploring how changes in extensive, sediment-choked subglacial "swamps" actually explain why the ice sheet's movement slows down in late summer and winter.

Read more at: Just an incredible image from Greenland with this one.


Quoting 51. Skyepony:

Put together my best sat pics and such from 2016 blog.


Of social media, Trump and moderation there is a guy in Florida that has been jailed by Feds for making threatening posts against Trump on Facebook. His posts included.."I'm just glad Obama didn't take all our gunz! I see a good use for one now," and a picture of a camouflaged man holding a scoped sniper rifle and, above it, wrote, "The EXPEDITER of Trump! He will never last long." When asked what that meant he said.."Keep yer eyes open!"


It must be the case that the CIA and probably some other agencies as well have 'war-gamed' the what-to-dos in the event of an insane president. If a president were diagnosed with significant dysfunction, appropriate actions would be taken. They might be not obvious. Let's hope that the 'good guys' are in control of the situation.
Quoting 56. Neapolitan:

FWIW, IJIS extent has been in first place 195 days this year, another 56 days in second, and an additional 67 days in third, for a total of 318, or 88.6%. And, since there's no chance of it falling out of first (where it's spent the past 67 days), it'll finish with 201 in first, and 324 in the top three.

Nothing to see here. Move right along...

Quick! somebody call WUWT...
I keep thinking of 1933 , that year the Germans voted for "change" as well. Trump is keeping his "private security team".

I await the "burning of the Reichstag" , when he asks for "special powers".
66. bwi
Looks like mostly seasonal normal-ish fluctuations the next 10 days or so. Then possibly getting colder in most of the U.S. again about 10 days out.

Quoting 64. no1der:


Quick! somebody call WUWT...



It's like Wipneus had a stroke as he was plotting this graph. Another great Neven man that Wipneus .
Quoting 57. Neapolitan:

That was pretty dumb. Regardless of their political persuasion, stupid people should not have guns. Period.


No.1 rule on being an assassin, don't tell anyone your going to do it....
66. bwi -

These two images show a system that has lost it's mind.
Interesting read.

General article: Hard-wired: The brain's circuitry for political belief

Study: Neural correlates of maintaining one's political beliefs in the face of counterevidence



In a nut-shell:
- people were more flexible when asked to consider the strength of their belief in nonpolitical statements
- when it came to reconsidering their political beliefs they would not budge.
- . . . people who were most resistant to changing their beliefs had more activity in the amygdalae and the
insular cortex, compared with people who were more willing to change their minds.

Now for those of you that actually do go and take a peak at both, the choice of subjects (right-handedness, political identity, strength of political beliefs, strength in agreeing with statements, and gender] are designed to control for those variables that have already been described in the literature as influencing brain activity/structure and nothing more.

Quoting 59. Neapolitan:

Daddyjames gave you some great links. But if you just want the high points, Twitter is a great place:




I am not a Twit - so I don't Twitter ;)
Quoting 59. Neapolitan:

Daddyjames gave you some great links. But if you just want the high points, Twitter is a great place:





Yeah, Twitter was pretty obvious...thanks for posting that. Ultimately daddyjames provided what I've actually been looking for in terms of information based on geography and elevation. I hadn't articulated this specifically, so it ended up there was a little bit of serendipity going on. Louisianans might call it lagniappe :)

NWS regularly reports observations as a location and elevation (for example, 'Salt Lake City, 4600 feet'), and will do so for multiple SLC locations/elevations. Very different from what I'm used to. At least one of his daddyjames' links shows topography with the results, so that's quite helpful.

When the news said 'Salt Lake City, almost record snow', I thought 1) where? and 2) what elevation? Looks like Twitter held the answer all along :)
73. bwi
Continuing my hobby of observing Arctic weather and ice, I just tried to read Judah Cohen's latest on the ENSO vs the AO as predictor of mid-latitude weather. He concludes that in recent years, AO has done fairly well. Of course, I don't understand how to read most of his results graphics, so I'm in no position to vouch for the strength of his results.

But in general, it sure seems to me like weather is gradually validating the Arctic amplification, weaker/wavy jet stream hypothesis, and our weather in the non-tropical northern hemisphere will increasingly be determined by what's happening up north as much as down at the equator.

74. bwi
Quoting 69. RobertWC:

66. bwi -

These two images show a system that has lost it's mind.


Models seem to agree on pushing a huge surface high way up into Aleutians and Alaska, not what I'd usually expect for weather in those areas in early January.

75. vis0
Quoting 54. bwi:

Merry Christmas to me -- daughter got me a PWS! Not going to give very good wind readings since I've got it mounted pretty low the ground for now and our property is heavily forested. So I'll have to see how the wind readings eventually calibrate to NWS readings and other personal stations in the area. Eventually if it's producing good readings maybe I'll hook it up to WU -- it's a cheap one, but it's supposed to be WU compatible.
Being able to observe nature by the senses and by scientific equipment is priceless. Thank you to all the buy weather Ob equipment specially if is at a higher level than aquak9's coffee cup ;- P

...i'm looking forward in being allowed by NYC housing to put up the aquak9 version.


Did the Heat Miser win? it feels like it here in Orlando and I haven't seen anything that says it will change significantly this winter. :(
Fracking on the Greenland Ice Sheet -

Published on January 21, 2015

Two Lakes Beneath the Ice in Greenland, Gone Within Weeks
Mysterious sub-glacial lakes build up over years—then suddenly drain away


COLUMBUS, Ohio—Researchers who are building the highest-resolution map of the Greenland Ice Sheet to date have made a surprising discovery: two lakes of meltwater that pooled beneath the ice and rapidly drained away.

One lake once held billions of gallons of water and emptied to form a mile-wide crater in just a few weeks. The other lake has filled and emptied twice in the last two years.Researchers at The Ohio State University published findings on each lake separately: the first in the open-access journal The Cryosphere, and the second in the journal Nature.



Link

We just saw this same thing in Antarctica.

Quoting 70. daddyjames:

Interesting read.

General article: Hard-wired: The brain's circuitry for political belief

Study: Neural correlates of maintaining one's political beliefs in the face of counterevidence



In a nut-shell:
- people were more flexible when asked to consider the strength of their belief in nonpolitical statements
- when it came to reconsidering their political beliefs they would not budge.
- . . . people who were most resistant to changing their beliefs had more activity in the amygdalae and the
insular cortex, compared with people who were more willing to change their minds.

Now for those of you that actually do go and take a peak at both, the choice of subjects (right-handedness, political identity, strength of political beliefs, strength in agreeing with statements, and gender] are designed to control for those variables that have already been described in the literature as influencing brain activity/structure and nothing more.



Great Graph! Thanks!
Quoting 65. RobertWC:

I keep thinking of 1933 , that year the Germans voted for "change" as well. Trump is keeping his "private security team".

I await the "burning of the Reichstag" , when he asks for "special powers".



I mentioned the War but I think I got away with it.

rains moving out reached a high of 50.3f here this evening cool shot inbound
Toronto Pearson Int'l Airport
Date:
9:00 PM EST Monday 26 December 2016

Temperature:
48.9°F
Dew point:
48.2°F
Humidity:
97%
Wind:
SW 19 gust 27 mph
Visibility:
15 miles
Here's hoping!

Quoting 71. daddyjames:



I am not a Twit - so I don't Twitter ;)
I have gone three times filled everything out and ready for sign up and I canceled all three times do I really want too is the question I keep asking myself
Quoting 74. bwi:



Models seem to agree on pushing a huge surface high way up into Aleutians and Alaska, not what I'd usually expect for weather in those areas in early January.




Is that a Rex Block? If that happens theres gonna be a big trof carved out down past Soo Cal into Baja and more rain/snow and cold for Soo Cal as CPC is predicting.
Quoting 71. daddyjames:



I am not a Twit - so I don't Twitter ;)


I twitter cus Im a TWIT............NOT!
From Andrew Slater at NSIDC, a neat way to visualize Arctic sea ice retreat through the satellite time series:


Quoting 65. RobertWC:

I keep thinking of 1933 , that year the Germans voted for "change" as well. Trump is keeping his "private security team".

I await the "burning of the Reichstag" , when he asks for "special powers".
Are you comparing trump to hitler? Nice shower in centex this eve.
Quoting 50. RobertWC:



AHhh no Frank . And what ever it is you got I don't want to catch it.


It must be Robert that you believe in censorship and gag orders. The Nazi Propaganda Ministry, directed by Dr. Joseph Goebbels, took control of all forms of communication in Germany: newspapers, magazines, books, public meetings, and rallies, art, music, movies, and radio. Viewpoints in any way threatening to Nazi beliefs or to the regime were censored or eliminated from all media.


An impressive wave during the recent storm that passed the Shetland Isles.
image (C) Ryan Sandison/ThisisShetland.com
good/morning nok ten could end up in the indian ocean
I can find no news about the affected areas where Nock-Ten made landfall. I just read that a cargo ship sunk during the typhoon and 18 crew members are missing.
Good morning. Windstorm Connor (UK) = Barbara (Germany) had been dubbed "Urd" in northern Europe, and the storm was quite remarkable. In Germany a women lost her life, unfortunately, and flooding due to severe tide happened. Here some reports from our northern neighbours in English (in "The Local"):

Hurricane-strength Storm Urd tears through Denmark

Powerful Storm Urd leaves its mark on Norway

Hurricane-force winds as Storm Urd sweeps through Sweden
NDRRMC still verifying reports on Typhoon Nina casualties
Published December 27, 2016 1:29pm
The National Disaster Risk Reduction and Management Council (NDRRMC) on Tuesday said it is still verifying the number of casualties from Typhoon Nina (Nock-ten), two days after the storm first made landfall in Catanduanes. ...

Ufficial site with no report from Dec 27, yet (as I write this):
http://www.ndrrmc.gov.ph/

Calapan City, 4 Oriental Mindoro towns under state of calamity
INQUIRER.net / 05:32 PM December 27, 2016

Philippines typhoon: Aerials show submerged areas
BBC, 26 December 2016 Last updated at 17:07 GMT
Quoting 57. Neapolitan:

That was pretty dumb. Regardless of their political persuasion, stupid people should not have guns. Period.
This story would be front page news (assuming its true) and the lead on every network had it been directed at BO. I had to read about it here.
Quoting 65. RobertWC:

I keep thinking of 1933 , that year the Germans voted for "change" as well. Trump is keeping his "private security team".

I await the "burning of the Reichstag" , when he asks for "special powers".
You're losing the bubble. Take a deep breath.
Quoting 100. PensacolaDoug:

You're losing the bubble. Take a deep breath.

Like so incredibly many said in 1933.
Quoting 93. frank727:



It must be Robert that you believe in censorship and gag orders. The Nazi Propaganda Ministry, directed by Dr. Joseph Goebbels, took control of all forms of communication in Germany: newspapers, magazines, books, public meetings, and rallies, art, music, movies, and radio. Viewpoints in any way threatening to Nazi beliefs or to the regime were censored or eliminated from all media.



And how did that come about exactly? By the party openly disparaging the media. They even had a word for it: lugenpresse. Not only does a certain political figure constantly berate the press (along with his followers), they even shouted this term at his rallies.

At any rate, getting some early spring weather here in the Baltimore DC area. Rain with temps in the 60's. Winter where?
A lot more devices to track hurricanes in the future ...
Control algorithms could keep sensor-laden balloons afloat in hurricanes for a week
PhysOrg, December 27, 2016 by Ioana Patringenaru
Controls engineers at UC San Diego have developed practical strategies for building and coordinating scores of sensor-laden balloons within hurricanes.
Using onboard GPS and cellphone-grade sensors, each drifting balloon becomes part of a "swarm'' of robotic vehicles, which can periodically report, via satellite uplink, their position, the local temperature, pressure, humidity and wind velocity. ...

More see link above.


Credit: University of California - San Diego

Obviously serious damage from the Christmas windstorm (Connor=Barbara=Urd) in Faroe Islands:


Velbastad 25-12-2016


Kamsdalur 26-12-2016

Reverted waterfall

Addition to post #97:
Lightning strikes and a Christmas washout in northern Europe
Two planes have been struck by lightning in Denmark as Storm Urd sweeps across Scandinavia. In Germany, a woman has been killed after a tree fell onto her car in stormy weather.
DW, 27.12.2016
Quoting 99. PensacolaDoug:

This story would be front page news (assuming its true) and the lead on every network had it been directed at BO. I had to read about it here.

Skyepony linked the news article from CNN.
Quoting 102. Xyrus2000:



And how did that come about exactly? By the party openly disparaging the media. They even had a word for it: lugenpresse. Not only does a certain political figure constantly berate the press (along with his followers), they even shouted this term at his rallies.

At any rate, getting some early spring weather here in the Baltimore DC area. Rain with temps in the 60's. Winter where?

Hence all the concern for the First Amendment. And Robert believing in censorship? Don't think so, just the opposite actually...see post #6.

Winter where? Here :) Currently 11F and lots of snow on the ground.



NWS forecast for today and tonight is quite different. Also the lows are very different. Wonder why there's such a disparity?


Quoting 105. LAbonbon:


Skyepony linked the news article from CNN.


besides which, given the massive volume of death threats BO has gotten over the last 8 years, there's no possible way the press could treat them the way doug says they would. there'd be no more space for other news.
JeffMasters has created a new entry.
On the other hand, people have been "making up stuff" about the weather since the days of the Farmer's Almanac, and even our hero, Ben Franklin was not innocent.
Quoting 107. schwankmoe:



besides which, given the massive volume of death threats BO has gotten over the last 8 years, there's no possible way the press could treat them the way doug says they would. there'd be no more space for other news.
Dream on.
Quoting 105. LAbonbon:


Skyepony linked the news article from CNN.
Doesn't mean they didn't cover it just means they didn't talk it to death like they would if it was some one on the right. Whether y'all agree with me or not I don't care. It's the truth I know it, y'all know it. And if there was any intellectual honesty in these pages you would admit it.
Quoting 112. PensacolaDoug:

Doesn't mean they didn't cover it just means they didn't talk it to death like they would if it was some one on the right. Whether y'all agree with me or not I don't care. It's the truth I know it, y'all know it. And if there was any intellectual honesty in these pages you would admit it.

Okay, let's be honest. There's so much crazy news surrounding the PEOTUS that this headline wouldn't be more than a drop in the bucket. Outrageous, frightening headlines that would have been headliners for days under the current administration are actually fleeting headlines now, as there's always another crazy headline to take it's place. And if it were a threat to the current POTUS...see #107.

You questioned the validity of the story Skyepony posted, I referred to the news link in her post. One has to wonder why you're not questioning why the story wasn't on Fox or Breitbart.

Just being honest. Most days I bite my tongue on here, but frankly, being accused of intellectual dishonesty from you...well it doesn't mean much, frankly. You often make swipes at huge portions of our society, using labels such as 'liberals' and 'MSM' in a disparaging fashion. And honestly, the people you're taking swipes at aren't offended by the labels, inaccurate as they so often are. You have labeled everyone, and categorized them to an extent that you can't see the truth if it was right in front of you, especially if it's delivered by someone you perceive to be in a group you tend to disparage.
Quoting 111. PensacolaDoug:

Dream on.



and it's the same with previous presidents. same was true of bush - lots of threats. if they were all reported on as 'front page news' that's all the news would be.

i guess if it helps rationalize this belief that the news media is 'in the tank for the liberals' then you can dream up whatever you want.
Quoting 113. LAbonbon:


You often make swipes at huge portions of our society, using labels such as 'liberals' and 'MSM' in a disparaging fashion.


one of the great successes in american politics (among many) is how conservatives managed to convince themselves that they are the real underdogs, the great put-upon and suffering minority, of our society. which gets them tending to believe anything that reinforces that belief. and 'the media is out to get us' is an easy one.