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Autumn 2016: Warmest in U.S. Weather History

By: Bob Henson 6:10 PM GMT on December 07, 2016

The autumn of 2016 was the warmest ever observed in records going back to 1895 for the 48 contiguous U.S. states, according to data released on Wednesday by NOAA’s National Centers for Environmental Information (NCEI). The nation’s average September-to-November temperature of 57.63°F was a full 1.05°F above the previous autumn record, set way back in 1963, and it was 4.08°F above the 20th-century average (see Figure 1). The record-setting margin of more than 1°F is a hefty one for a temperature record that spans an entire season and a landmass as large as the 48 contiguous states. For comparison, the second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, and seventh-warmest U.S. autumns are all clustered within 1°F of each other, as are the six coldest autumns on record.

Pushing this past autumn to the top of the temperature pack were the third-warmest October and third-warmest November on record, along with the ninth-warmest September. Eight states along a swath from New Mexico to Michigan saw their warmest autumn on record, and every contiguous state except for California, Nevada, Oregon, and Washington had a top-ten warmest autumn (see Figure 2).


Figure 1. Autumn 2016 was by far the warmest on record for the contiguous United States. Image credit: NOAA/NCEI.


Figure 2. Statewide rankings for average temperature during September - November 2016, as compared to each September - November period since 1895. Darker shades of orange indicate higher rankings for warmth, with 1 denoting the coldest month on record and 122 the warmest. Image credit: NOAA/NCEI.

Record highs outpace record lows in November by an unprecedented margin
Although it wasn’t the warmest November on record, last month transcended all other months in modern U.S. weather history by the outsized presence of record highs to record lows. According to preliminary NOAA data compiled through Wednesday, November saw 4544 daily record highs set or tied, and just 94 daily record lows set or tied--a ratio of more than 48 to 1! This is the largest such ratio for any month in U.S. data going back to the 1920s, according to independent meteorologist Guy Walton (@climateguyw), who has tracked U.S. records for many years. Because many U.S. reporting stations came on line in the 1890s, the occurrence of records did not stabilize until around the 1920s.

The total of 94 daily record lows in November is remarkably sparse--the lowest value for any month since September 1922. In general, it’s best to use warm-to-cold ratios rather than comparing the raw number of records over time, observed Deke Arndt, the chief of NOAA/NCEI’s Climate Monitoring Branch. “Because the number and lifetimes of weather stations has varied over time, comparing raw numbers of records doesn't completely capture the signal. Using a ratio of warm-to-cold records helps account for these effects,” Arndt told Mashable’s Andrew Freedman. Each decade since the 1980s has seen more daily record highs than lows, with the ratio increasing to nearly two-to-one during the 2000s and just over two-to-one for the 2010s through November 2016.

Although 2016 is running just behind 2012 as the warmest year in U.S. records thus far, the widespread chill expected to continue through at least mid-December has a good chance of keeping this year from outpacing 2012.


Figure 3. Statewide rankings for average precipitation during September - November 2016, as compared to each September - November period since 1895. Darker shades of green indicate higher rankings for moisture, with 1 denoting the driest month on record and 122 the wettest. Image credit: NOAA/NCEI.

Big regional contrasts in precipitation
November was the 25th driest on record, with the average 48-state precipitation total of 1.73” a half inch below the 20th-century mean of 2.23”. For the autumn as a whole, precipitation came in very close to the long-term mean when averaged across the 48 contiguous states, with 2016 placing the 65th wettest autumn in 122 years of data. However, that “normal” value obscures some major regional differences, as seen in Figure 3 (above). It was the wettest autumn on record in Washington, as a powerful Pacific jet brought vast amounts of moisture into the Pacific Northwest. States from California to the upper Midwest were all much wetter than average this autumn. The jet stream largely passed Colorado’s mountains, though, leaving the state with its eighth driest autumn on record.

The other major wet zone this autumn was along the Southeast coast, as Hurricane Matthew dumped enormous amounts of rain and set a number of local rainfall and storm-surge records. The resulting floods were catastrophic across parts of inland North Carolina, where the rains pushed rivers to record crests and flooded an estimated 100,000 structures, producing at least $1.5 billion in damage. Of the 49 deaths attributed to Matthew, 28 occurred in North Carolina. Both North and South Carolina came in with their 19th wettest autumns on record, although those values are skewed somewhat by the failure of Matthew to drench western parts of those states and by the largely dry weather before and after Matthew.


Figure 4. A man pumps floodwaters from the inside of a business on October 15, 2016, in Lumberton, NC. The Lumberton area was especially hard hit by torrential rains and flooding produced by the passage of Hurricane Matthew near the North Carolina coast. Image credit: Sean Rayford/Getty Images.

Drought and fire take their toll in the Southeast
A vicious drought sank its claws deeper into parts of the South this autumn, with Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Tennessee, and Kentucky all seeing a top-ten driest autumn. Combined with near-record warmth, the dryness primed forests across the central and southern Appalachians for widespread wildfires that culminated in deadly disaster in the Gatlinburg, TN, area last month. The death toll in Gatlinburg now stands at 14, with more than 1400 structures damaged or destroyed and a damage toll estimated at more than $100 million by the insurance broker Aon Benfield. As of December 1, most of Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, and Tennessee were in extreme or exceptional drought on the weekly U.S. Drought Monitor. Generous rains of 1” - 3” across much of this region over the past week will help put a dent in the drought, although much more moisture is needed to recoup widespread annual deficits on the order of 12” to 20” (even more in some locations).

We’ll be back with a new post by Friday at the latest. Note: because of required maintenance, this blog and our other WunderBlogs and WunderPhotos will be offline for about 4 - 6 hours beginning at 6 PM PST (9 PM EST) Wednesday night.

Bob Henson


Figure 5. Smoke rises from destroyed buildings Tuesday, Nov. 29, 2016, at the Westgate Smoky Mountain Resort & Spa above Gatlinburg, Tenn., the day after a wildfire. Image credit: Paul Efird/Knoxville News Sentinel via AP.

Climate Summaries

The views of the author are his/her own and do not necessarily represent the position of The Weather Company or its parent, IBM.

Reader Comments

1001. Grothar
Quoting 1000. hydrus:

I still cant believe how many people voted for a dude like that.

Pretty much everyone who believes that authoritarianism is the way to go voted for him. Looks like we're gonna have a President who tells the CIA to take a hike.
1003. aquak9
Quoting 1000. hydrus:
I still cant believe how many people voted for a dude like that.
So many people feel empowered by siding with the likes of a bully.
Until they themselves, get bullied, too.
But even then, I think they'd still support him, just to save face.
Quoting 998. weathermanwannabe:

any US President actually has very little power on any domestic issues (the President is just a cheerleader for a particular agenda) but Congress is actually in control. My biggest fear is that the primary powers of the President are in foreign issues (as head of the Military, State Department, CIA, etc.) and his current position to pull out of the Paris Agreement..............I will never shut my mouth on here, and in other places and forums, if that happens.

I w


The United States Presidency has certain CRUCIAL powers in domestic policy: appointment of department heads, which can have enormous effects on their functions, like putting a climate change denier in as the head of the EPA, and witch hunting the people working on climate issues in a host of agencies (Trump wants a list of their NAMES, probably so he can fire or at least intimidate them); vetoing legislation as a check/balance on Congressional power, and APPOINTING SUPREME COURT JUSTICES. When Trump's replacements for Scalia (and probably soon enough Ginsburg or one of the other ancient judges) starts voting with corporate interests and against the very idea that the government should concern itself AT ALL with environmental issues, then we will see how much power he has had over domestic issues.

Of course, putting an oil man who's unconcerned about Russia's ambitions in as Secretary if State is indeed pretty scary, but I'm not at all convinced our domestic situation will be less affected by Presudent Trump than our foreign affairs.
Quoting 999. hydrus:

Good morning Bon...So hello to Auburn for us...Did he catch a ban.?.....sarcasm can be fun...:)

Morning, hydrus. Sorry, but I'm not quite following your post. The other day when I read back through a couple of blogs I think I saw a post about Auburn getting out of the hospital? That's all I know.

35F here in Salt Lake, headed for a mild day, low to mid 40s :)

1004. GreyJewel
10:49 AM EST on December 11, 2016

I am aware of all of the points you raise but that does not change my earlier comments; I am not a big fan of Governor Rick Scott in Florida who had an agenda to cut from State agencies across the board (and did so) and he appointed a "business" person with no government experience as the head of a particular social services Agency that I was a part of when he came on board. However, after we lobbied him and he got the actual picture/real deal on the ground (cuts to the the most vulnerable people), the Agency head saw the light, went back to the Governor, and they ended up increasing funding for us because it was the right thing to do. My point is to always have hope.
1007. Grothar
Someone once asked me the difference between an entitlement and a right. The best answer I could give at the time, is that an entitlement is a program in which others can benefit. It only becomes a right when you can benefit from it.
1008. hydrus
Quoting 970. Grothar:



Please stay on topic. We are ripping each other apart. Tropical reports only confuse us.
Vardah now has dual citizenship and is a registered independent.
Last week ESPI had come up some to around -.6. Like some warming might happen with ENSO. SOI at the same time went from acting like warming was eminent to signalling continued La Nina conditions.

Now ESPI has fallen hard once again.. to -1.13 in less than a week. SOI has continued on the warm side but has cooled a little since last week..to keep a little conflict going with the signals. Overall I think we have atleast 2 more months of La Nina conditions.

The Tropical Instability Waves seem to be turning our usual small indicator steps of ENSO into big leaps.


Quoting 985. JrWeathermanFL:

So do I get a ban for supporting Trump? Lol





Not at all, but trying to get a personal dispute going with others because you support him will.

Politics in general need to have something to do with science or climate change to be discussed here. At times current events, when they are big enough like yesterday, the discussion if Russia helped the election results, was okay & really still atleast is very loosely tied to climate change issues... Also like Ukraine, Russia, Secretary of State energy issues..anything energy tends to affect greenhouse gas emission, so is okay.

If it's getting at all personal dispute, attacking, pure inflammatory political opinion to plain political ranting & tripping off into total trolling, it's been tending to get removed.

Everyone please use the flags when you see inappropriate posts. Thanks!
1010. Grothar
Quoting 1000. hydrus:

I still cant believe how many people voted for a dude like that.
Well, to be fair, as he told Fox News' Chris Wallace this morning when asked why he wasn't attending the daily security briefings: "I don't have to be told -- you know, I'm, like, a smart person. I don't have to be told the same thing in the same words every single day for the next eight years."

Yes. One can only imagine how boring and tedious all this President-y stuff must seem to someone like him. Staving off global thermonuclear war? Z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z...
Quoting 986. TechnoCaveman:

I see the warming trend, but next year - 2017 should be significantly colder - right?
Now is the time to add insulation, look at plants that break the wind, make snow plans, etc? Where I live we *rarely* get snow.
"Significantly colder"?

No.

Slightly cooler? Yes. But still significantly warmer than probably any other year prior to, say, 2000.
The start of hurricane season is only six more months away I keep telling myself......
So, I guess this is what I don't understand from Trump supporters. What exactly do you support?
A number of promises Trump made during his campaign he has already reneged upon.

Investigate HRC and "lock her up"? That doesn't appear likely.
Fight against Wall Street for the common man? His Cabinet currently is staffed with Wall Street Insiders
Make America great again by hiring Americans first? Trump's businesses hire and continue to hire foreign workers.
Make America great again by increasing manufacturing here in US? The goods Trump promotes are all made overseas.
Make America great again by increasing pay for middle and lower income voters: His Cabinet picks have the exact opposite position.
Climate change: well, at least that is one that he appears to have kept.

I am confused as to what you exactly support.
Looking at what Trump says, and what he does - what is there to support?
Actions should speak louder than words.

What exactly did you vote for? It is clear what many may have voted against, but what exactly did you vote for?
Be specific - let's move beyond "Making America Great Again".


Quoting 1011. Neapolitan:

Well, to be fair, as he told Fox News' Chris Wallace this morning when asked why he wasn't attending the daily security briefings: "I don’t have to be told -- you know, I’m, like, a smart person. I don’t have to be told the same thing in the same words every single day for the next eight years."

Yes. How boring and tedious all this President-y stuff must seem to a multi-talented genius such as him. I mean, c'mon, it cuts into his Twitter time...

One can imagine how horrified the 'old guard' in the GOP is with his attitude on this particular subject.
Quoting 987. 62901IL:

This would be Hell on Earth if it happened...and the GFS has been showing it for the past few runs.


Quite hellish on GEOS-5 too.. except for that it's been a hellish drought and that may be some heavy precipitation.

1017. Patrap
Quoting 1005. LAbonbon:


Morning, hydrus. Sorry, but I'm not quite following your post. The other day when I read back through a couple of blogs I think I saw a post about Auburn getting out of the hospital? That's all I know.

35F here in Salt Lake, headed for a mild day, low to mid 40s :)




Auburn(MOD) is home fine after a brief Hospital stay.

Quoting 1015. LAbonbon:


One can imagine how horrified the 'old guard' in the GOP is with his attitude on this particular subject.


They are not horrified - he is turning over to them all the decisions on policy and legislation. Trump will be a figurehead - he'll do the fun stuff but will let Pence and others around him make the decisions.
And speaking of a vulnerable coastal population, Cyclone Vardah remains a minimal storm which is a good thing for the coast of India at landfall in the 60 knot range:








1020. Grothar
Quoting 985. JrWeathermanFL:

So do I get a ban for supporting Trump? Lol

Feels like with all the opposition of him on here including the Doc, some might say I'm wrong for supporting him.




Why are you surprised by the opposition? This is an earth science site, covering everything from weather to the environment. Trump is not only personally anti-science, but he is appointing anti-science individuals to his cabinet. Furthermore, he's planning on gutting earth science funding. He's already creating a "sack list" of people working on climate, environment, renewable energy, etc. in the DOE.

And that's just one aspect of his upcoming presidency that's alarming.

So it really shouldn't come as a surprise to you that opposition (and possible banning) occurs when supporting an anti-science candidate on a science oriented blog. Just like I'm not surprised when I get banned from sites like WUWT for posting science and data that conflicts with what the ignorant idiots over there claim.
1022. barbamz
Quoting 955. Barefootontherocks:

FYI, in case you or others don't know, The Weather Channel TV station was not included in the purchase by IBM and is no longer under the same umbrella as wu. ...

I know. But WU is still in cooperation with The Weather Channel by WUTV, and the logo of the Channel is still at the bottom of this site, too.

Nevertheless: a peaceful third Sunday of Advent to everybody! Took the picture below yesterday evening at the entrance of our Christmas market in Mainz:


Click to enlarge.
1023. Patrap


It was an April morning when they told us we should go
As I turn to you, you smiled at me
How could we say no?
Oh, the fun to have
To live the dreams we always had
Oh, the songs to sing
When we at last return again

Slipping off a glancing kiss
To those who claim they know
Below the streets that steam and hiss
The devil's in his hole
Oh, to sail away
To sandy lands and other days
Oh, to touch the dream
Hides inside and never seen, yeah

Into the sun, the south, the north
At last the birds have flown
The shackles of commitment fell
In pieces on the ground
Oh, to ride the wind
To tread the air above the din
Oh, to laugh aloud
Dancing as we fought the crowds, yeah

To seek the man whose pointing hand
The giant step unfolds
With guidance from the curving path
That churns up into stone

If one bell should ring
In celebration for a king
So fast the heart should beat
As proud the head with heavy feet, yeah

Days went by when you and I
Bathed in eternal summer's glow
As far away and distant
Our mutual child did grow






Quoting 998. weathermanwannabe:

...However, after the inauguration (the people have spoken) I do not intend to bash DT this site unless it is directly related to weather and science issues. As I mentioned a few months back, any US President actually has very little power on any domestic issues (the President is just a cheerleader for a particular agenda) but Congress is actually in control...


Yeah, which will be controlled by the republicans, with zero-intellect morons like Inhofe and Smith leading the charge against science.

The president does have veto power, so even if dunces like Smith get Congress to pass a "Make America Stupid" again bill, a sane and intelligent president would say "Um...NO!". But unfortunately, we have a president-elect who's just as idiotic as Smith, if not moreso. He'll rubber stamp whatever congress throws his way in regards to destroying any science he personally disagrees with.

Make sure you have electronic copies and hard copies of your science texts. The book burning shall begin shortly. :P
Quoting 1015. LAbonbon:


One can imagine how horrified the 'old guard' in the GOP is with his attitude on this particular subject.


Horrified? If Reagan had that attitude back in the '80s they would have tied him to a stake and burned him as a communist.
We shall see what happens in 2017 but I respect Dr. Masters and this blog and don't want to continue to contribute to bashing along party lines on here going forward unless the issue is raised from a science point, and expectedly as to climate change issues, by a Blog entry. There are other politically driven Websites where we can do that but I am getting a bit tired of the bleed over effect on here regardless of your policy position or on how much you like or dislike the President Elect. It might be a little hard to "stay on topic" in this current climate (pun intended) but this is a science based site and we should try to keep it that way as much as possible.

Enjoy the rest of your weekend and see Yall tomorrow...................WW.
The truth is alive
And so can die
Good people are replaced
By liars with no grace
Nor care for human life
Now our world is filled with growing strife
When will this change
Will it be too late
To change our world's fate
Quoting 1022. barbamz:


I know. But WU is still in cooperation with The Weather Channel by WUTV, and the logo of the Channel is still at the bottom of this site, too.

Nevertheless: a peaceful third Sunday of Advent to everybody! Took the picture below yesterday evening at the entrance of our Christmas market in Mainz:


Click to enlarge.

Nevertheless? You seem to have taken offense (add: at my comment 955). Offense was not my intent. I searched for and provided a link that worked to "TWC takes on Breitbart" story you mentioned because your link did not work. If you review my comment you will see I was pointing out, for those who might not know, that IBM bought TWCC but not The Weather Channel. WUTV is not wunderground.com. Your concern seemed to be IBM control of wu, this website, and you seemed to express fear for this blog because IBM is included in the Silicon Valley tech companies scheduled to meet with Mr. Trump. I tried to allay that fear. We don't seem to be communicating well.
1030. Patrap
The only thing needed for evil to succeed is for Good Men to turn a blind to it...and do nothing.

Dat aint gonna happen here.

Evah'...

Semper Fi'

We all got our marks to what or who we belong
Apart we are weak but together we're strong
Don't knock one of us or we all take offence
For a quiff or a crew we can jump to defence
With the drum that you bring or the song that you sing
Tribal, oh oh oh oh
Tribal, oh oh oh oh

Fashion is something that comes and goes
Fickle as fables of emperors clothes
What you put on tells a lot of your mind
If you're part of a pack or one of a kind
With the drum that you bring or the song that you sing
Tribal, oh oh oh oh
Tribal, oh oh oh oh

Standing in a crowd, I hold my head up proud
What's right for you for me it may be wrong
It's great to be different but have something to belong

When you look in the mirror, tell me what do you see
Someone new or your ancestry
You're a king, you're a queen, you're a wizard, a fool
Or if you're me then rockabilly rules
With the drum that you bring or the song that you sing
Tribal, oh oh oh oh
Tribal, oh oh oh oh








We all got our marks to what or who we belong
Apart we are weak but together we're strong
Don't knock one of us or we all take offence
For a quiff or a crew we can jump to defence
With the drum that you bring or the song that you sing
Tribal, oh oh oh oh
Tribal, oh oh oh oh

Fashion is something that comes and goes
Fickle as fables of emperors clothes
What you put on tells a lot of your mind
If you're part of a pack or one of a kind
With the drum that you bring or the song that you sing
Tribal, oh oh oh oh
Tribal, oh oh oh oh

Standing in a crowd, I hold my head up proud
What's right for you for me it may be wrong
It's great to be different but have something to belong

When you look in the mirror, tell me what do you see
Someone new or your ancestry
You're a king, you're a queen, you're a wizard, a fool
Or if you're me then rockabilly rules
With the drum that you bring or the song that you sing
Tribal, oh oh oh oh
Tribal, oh oh oh oh



1031. no1der

Quoting 1018. daddyjames:



They are not horrified - he is turning over to them all the decisions on policy and legislation. Trump will be a figurehead - he'll do the fun stuff but will let Pence and others around him make the decisions.
And if he ever screws something up really badly, or stops delivering on the GOP's Christmas list, he'll be impeached in a heartbeat for all the obvious conflicts of interest and corruption they're ignoring so far.
1014. daddyjames
A person can respect and support the office of President of the US without supporting the individual who holds that office. Donald Trump is the President elect and that will not change. Many who post here do not agree with conservative views and parrot the media take on the man, or worse, they make fun of and insult him. Insult Donald Trump and you insult the office he will hold. That is the only reason I have spoken up. Well, that, and being annoyed this site continues to allow the letdown many members felt at the election result to dominate comments on this blog.

I hope reasonable moderation returns soon.
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Link
Here's basket of deplora.....,I mean puppies, to help some of ya'll feel better.
1035. barbamz
Quoting 1029. Barefootontherocks:

... I searched for and provided a link that worked to "TWC takes on Breitbart" story you mentioned because your link did not work. ...

Indeed. Thanks for that, barefoot. I didn't realize my link wasn't working.
1036. barbamz
Donald Trump: 'Nobody Really Knows' If Climate Change Is Real (It Is)
The president-elect says he's 'studying' the Paris agreement.
Huffington Post, 12/11/2016 09:50 am ET | Updated 1 hour ago (with a video of that part of the interview ...)

'I'm very open-minded on environment,' Trump says
Politico, By Louis Nelson, 12/11/16 11:19 AM EST
Quoting 1025. Xyrus2000:



Yeah, which will be controlled by the republicans, with zero-intellect morons like Inhofe and Smith leading the charge against science.

The president does have veto power, so even if dunces like Smith get Congress to pass a "Make America Stupid" again bill, a sane and intelligent president would say "Um...NO!". But unfortunately, we have a president-elect who's just as idiotic as Smith, if not moreso. He'll rubber stamp whatever congress throws his way in regards to destroying any science he personally disagrees with.

Make sure you have electronic copies and hard copies of your science texts. The book burning shall begin shortly. :P


The author of Art of the Deal said that Trump couldn't concentrate for more than five minutes on a topic, and doesn't like to read. That means that someone -and we don't know who- will have to stand next to his desk in the oval office and tell him which bills to sign and where. Those bills have lots of sentences and stuff that are probably really boring to someone who doesn't read.
1038. Patrap
LOL, never a link, and never to think.

The World rolls on.

What was it, same as it ever was.

Talking Heads I doos tink.

Some would cheerlead Satan if He popped up Here with a entry that rubs the truth into the Bubble of, duh'.

#1034 Maybe you can ship that picture to people's families who's loved ones will die in the future in droves if we abandon the climate accord and drill baby drill in face of all the scientific facts on AGW. Actions have consequences. And in this cases it's the most vulnerable people in the world who will suffer. But you know, who cares about them?
1040. Patrap
Trump Says He Doesn’t Need Daily Intelligence Briefing Because He’s ‘Smart’
“I don’t have to be told the same thing in the same words every single day.”

12/11/2016 10:08 am ET | Updated 1 hour ago

WASHINGTON ― President-elect Donald Trump said in an interview airing Sunday that he doesn’t need to receive a daily intelligence briefing, stating he only gets the briefing when he needs it.

“I don’t have to be told ― you know, I’m, like, a smart person. I don’t have to be told the same thing in the same words every single day,” Trump said in an interview airing on “Fox News Sunday.” “I don’t need to be told ... the same thing every day, every morning ― same words. ‘Sir, nothing has changed. Let’s go over it again.’ I don’t need that.”

Trump is reportedly only receiving an intelligence briefing just once a week. The president-elect said the people who are giving him the briefings are “very good people” and that he was always available if something changed. He also said that Vice President-elect Mike Pence was receiving the briefings.

President Barack Obama has a briefing six days a week.




Doom, doom Globally, everywhere'....
1041. Patrap
A short Improv with Fredo Corleone, acting as the President-elect.

Take 5, and ACTION!!!






Quoting 1040. Patrap:

Trump Says He Doesn’t Need Daily Intelligence Briefing Because He’s ‘Smart’
“I don’t have to be told the same thing in the same words every single day.”

12/11/2016 10:08 am ET | Updated 1 hour ago

WASHINGTON ― President-elect Donald Trump said in an interview airing Sunday that he doesn’t need to receive a daily intelligence briefing, stating he only gets the briefing when he needs it.

“I don’t have to be told ― you know, I’m, like, a smart person. I don’t have to be told the same thing in the same words every single day,” Trump said in an interview airing on “Fox News Sunday.” “I don’t need to be told ... the same thing every day, every morning ― same words. ‘Sir, nothing has changed. Let’s go over it again.’ I don’t need that.”

Trump is reportedly only receiving an intelligence briefing just once a week. The president-elect said the people who are giving him the briefings are “very good people” and that he was always available if something changed. He also said that Vice President-elect Mike Pence was receiving the briefings.

President Barack Obama has a briefing six days a week.




Doom, doom Globally, everywhere'....

"I have a great brain"
Quoting 1029. Barefootontherocks:

Nevertheless? You seem to have taken offense. Offense was not my intent. I searched for and provided a link that worked to "TWC takes on Breitbart" story you mentioned because your link did not work. If you review my comment you will see I was pointing out, for those who might not know that IBM bought TWCC but not The Weather Channel. WUTV is not wunderground.com. Your concern seemed to be IBM control of wu, this website, and you seemed to express fear for this blog because IBM is included in the Silicon Valley tech companies scheduled to meet with Mr. Trump. I tried to allay that fear. We don't seem to be communicating well.


In the case of The Weather Channel
From my reading IBM seems to own all the weather data just not the TV channel/show (TWC).
"The Weather Channel will now become a client of IBM, licensing weather-forecasting data it once owned.
Link
It's a little confusing to say the least.


Paris suffers worst smog in 10 years
Saturday 10 Dec 2016 4:51 p.m.

Paris has been hit with its worst air pollution in over a decade. The smog has reached levels of pollution that are over three times the internationally-agreed safety limit – and worse than Beijing’s.
The air pollution has been blamed on a combination of factors – vehicle emissions, the use of wood fires for heating, and windless conditions.
As the smog continues for the third winter night, authorities are taking desperate measures.


Link
1045. Patrap
Quoting 1044. RobertWC:



Paris suffers worst smog in 10 years
Saturday 10 Dec 2016 4:51 p.m.

Paris has been hit with its worst air pollution in over a decade. The smog has reached levels of pollution that are over three times the internationally-agreed safety limit – and worse than Beijing’s.
The air pollution has been blamed on a combination of factors – vehicle emissions, the use of wood fires for heating, and windless conditions.
As the smog continues for the third winter night, authorities are taking desperate measures.


Link


Before a new blog and moderation change I'll add my $0.02.

While venting on social media may make you feel better, the only way for real change will be through the ballot box. Several congressional seats will open up through appointments to the new administration. Support candidates for those seats whose positions you like through donations and if possible volunteering. Prepare for 2018 to do the same.
Trump: "I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters, OK?"

The part he left out was; people are so stupid.....
1048. barbamz
New priests to learn about global warming as part of formation
By Marshall Connolly (CALIFORNIA NETWORK), 12/9/2016 (2 days ago), Catholic Online (www.catholic.org)
In the United States, global climate change is a hot topic. Particularly among Catholics who tend to be politically conservative. American political conservatives don't usually accept the science on global warming. The problem? The Catholic Church does accept the science, and now there's a request that priests learn about it as part of their formation...
More see link above.
1049. Xandra
Quoting 1025. Xyrus2000:


Yeah, which will be controlled by the republicans, with zero-intellect morons like Inhofe and Smith leading the charge against science. [...]

According to Rep. John Shimkus (R-IL15.) God will save us from climate change!


Nothing like having air that one needs to chew before inhaling.
Quoting 1047. washingaway:

Trump: "I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters, OK?"

The part he left out was; people are so stupid.....
The part you left out was the quote's source and context. If you'd provide those, video form would be great, we could all make our own conclusion from the words he spoke, if Mr Trump indeed spoke them.
Quoting 1032. Barefootontherocks:

1014. daddyjames
A person can respect and support the office of President of the US without supporting the individual who holds that office. Donald Trump is the President elect and that will not change. Many who post here do not agree with conservative views and parrot the media take on the man, or worse, they make fun of and insult him. Insult Donald Trump and you insult the office he will hold. That is the only reason I have spoken up. Well, that, and being annoyed this site continues to allow the letdown many members felt at the election result to dominate comments on this blog.

I hope reasonable moderation returns soon.


I agree with your point. I think that disrespect for a man and the office of president has certainly been on display for the past eight years. Both by members of this blog, the general public, and members of Congress. The genie escaped from that bottle eight years ago. Saying it should be put back in now, well that is a bit too late.
Quoting 1051. Barefootontherocks:

The part you left out was the quote's source and context. If you'd provide those, video form would be great, we could all make our own conclusion from the words he spoke, if Mr Trump indeed spoke them.


Have you been living under a rock? Google it, there is video after video. He said it!
Quoting 1051. Barefootontherocks:

The part you left out was the quote's source and context. If you'd provide those, video form would be great, we could all make our own conclusion from the words he spoke, if Mr Trump indeed spoke them.


Here's a clip on YT from CNN: Link
Quoting 1031. no1der:


And if he ever screws something up really badly, or stops delivering on the GOP's Christmas list, he'll be impeached in a heartbeat for all the obvious conflicts of interest and corruption they're ignoring so far.


I am not so sure about that. I think they will ride that train as long as they can, and they'll get most of what they want. After all, Trump is not an ideologue. He does not care about anything to any degree that he would do anything to stop anything that is passed. As long as it makes him look good, he won't care.
1056. Patrap
Steelers vs Bills in Buffalo is looking like a whiteout at Kickoff.

Awesome.

1057. Grothar
Quoting 1053. washingaway:



Have you been living under a rock? Google it, there is video after video. He said it!


44 on youtube!
1059. Patrap
Ha

I've never seen you look like this without a reason
Another promise fallen through, another season passes by you

Shock

I never took the smile away from anybody's face
And that's a desperate way to look for someone who is still a child

In a big country, dreams stay with you
Like a lover's voice fires the mountainside
Stay alive

I thought that pain and truth were things that really mattered
But you can't stay here with every single hope you had shattered

I'm not expecting to grow flowers in a desert
But I can live and breathe and see the sun in wintertime

In a big country, dreams stay with you
Like a lover's voice fires the mountainside
Stay alive

In a big country, dreams stay with you
Like a lover's voice fires the mountainside
Stay alive

So take that look out of here, it doesn't fit you
Because it's happened doesn't mean you've been discarded
Pull up your head off the floor, come up screaming
Cry out for everything you ever might have wanted
I thought that pain and truth were things that really mattered
But you can't stay here with every single hope you had shattered

Shock, 1, 2

I'm not expecting to grow flowers in a desert
But I can live and breathe and see the sun in wintertime

In a big country, dreams stay with you
Like a lover's voice fires the mountainside
Stay alive

In a big country, dreams stay with you
Like a lover's voice fires the mountainside
Stay alive

In a big country, dreams stay with you
Like a lover's voice fires the mountainside
Stay alive

Ha

Shock






Quoting 1046. nrtiwlnvragn:

Before a new blog and moderation change I'll add my $0.02.

While venting on social media may make you feel better, the only way for real change will be through the ballot box. Several congressional seats will open up through appointments to the new administration. Support candidates for those seats whose positions you like through donations and if possible volunteering. Prepare for 2018 to do the same.

What happens when a congressional seat becomes vacant depends on the laws of the state in which the district lies. Some states require a special election, others allow the governor to appoint a replacement.
Quoting 1060. Bucsboltsfan:



I voted for neither but the attacks on here against Obama were nothing close to what is going on with Trump. It appears to me that conservatives accept defeat and liberals won't. JMO.

This is a science blog. Obama isn't anti-science.
Quoting 1062. ACSeattle:


This is a science blog. Obama isn't anti-science.


I know that but I responded to the comment that said Obama has been disrespected here for eight years.
Quoting 1060. Bucsboltsfan:



I voted for neither but the attacks on here against Obama were nothing close to what is going on with Trump. It appears to me that conservatives accept defeat and liberals won't. JMO.


What attacks? Point out to me any blatantly incorrect statement regarding what Trump promised or proposed during his campaign and what he is currently doing? I was willing to wait and see what would happen, but everything he has done Cabinet-wise is contrary to what he stated in his campaign. Except for Climate Change. Remember his promise not to be beholden to campaign donors? How has that turned out?
1065. Xandra
WHY VLADIMIR PUTIN’S RUSSIA IS BACKING DONALD TRUMP

Inside Vladimir Putin's complex gambit to weaken NATO.

1066. Ed22
Quoting 1020. Grothar:


Well it could develop, maybe.
1067. MahFL
Quoting 1000. hydrus:

I still cant believe how many people voted for a dude like that.


Some of the votes were an anti-establishmnet vote, it did not really matter who was running against Trump, they would have suffered from that. Also it is a sad reflection on some US citizens that they did indeed want Trump to be their president.
Also it's a sad reflection on African-Americans who did not turn out for white Hillary.
Also Hillary did in the end just have too much baggage to deal with.
I am British so I am looking from the outside, as it were.
1069. Patrap
Quoting 1068. Xandra:

Trump to Putin: I'm Your Puppet




K. C.

1 min ·
Stolen Status of the Day:

"The election is over. The Russians won. Get over it."
Hey Washingaway! You disappeared yesterday. I wanted to make sure you saw this.


Here is EXACTLY what Comey said back in July.

"With respect to potential computer intrusion by hostile actors, we did not find direct evidence that Secretary Clinton's personal e-mail domain, in its various configurations since 2009, was successfully hacked. But, given the nature of the system and of the actors potentially involved, we assess that we would be unlikely to see such direct evidence. We do assess that hostile actors gained access to the private commercial e-mail accounts of people with whom Secretary Clinton was in regular contact from her personal account. We also assess that Secretary Clinton's use of a personal e-mail domain was both known by a large number of people and readily apparent. She also used her personal e-mail extensively while outside the United States, including sending and receiving work-related e-mails in the territory of sophisticated adversaries. Given that combination of factors, we assess it is possible that hostile actors gained access to Secretary Clinton's personal e-mail account."
1071. Patrap



DEC 11 2016, 1:24 PM ET

Russian Hacking: Republican, Democratic Senators Call for Joint Action

by F. BRINLEY BRUTON , MATTHEW JOHNSON and PHIL MCCAUSLAND

Four powerful U.S. senators — two on each side of the aisle — on Sunday called for Republicans and Democrats to join forces to probe and fight Russian interference in the U.S. political process.

The "stakes are too high" for the issue to become partisan, the group of senior lawmakers wrote.

"For years, foreign adversaries have directed cyberattacks at America's physical, economic, and military infrastructure, while stealing our intellectual property," Senators John McCain, R-Ariz., Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., and Jack Reed, D-R.I., said in the statement released Sunday.
Four powerful U.S. senators — two on each side of the aisle — on Sunday called for Republicans and Democrats to join forces to probe and fight Russian interference in the U.S. political process.

The "stakes are too high" for the issue to become partisan, the group of senior lawmakers wrote.

"For years, foreign adversaries have directed cyberattacks at America's physical, economic, and military infrastructure, while stealing our intellectual property," Senators John McCain, R-Ariz., Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., and Jack Reed, D-R.I., said in the statement released Sunday.

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"Now our democratic institutions have been targeted. Recent reports of Russian interference in our election should alarm every American," they added.

In a press conference later on Sunday, Schumer said that the issue is too serious to point fingers at any individual.

"The outrage is not directed at any individual but at foreign government," he said. "This gets to the wellspring of our democracy."

The CIA has concluded that Russia mounted a covert intelligence operation to influence the U.S. election in an effort to help Donald Trump win, a congressional official knowledgeable on the matter told NBC News on Saturday.

The CIA says Russia was behind hacks of Democratic email accounts and other efforts that appeared to harm Hillary Clinton's candidacy.

Although the president-elect has repeatedly said he does not accept the findings of the spy agencies he will soon lead, Schumer said he believes that the Trump administration would get behind an investigation. This also despite the fact that incoming Chief of Staff Reince Preibus on Sunday morning dithered when asked about the subject.
Any investigation would have to wait until Congress's next session begins in early January, as the current legislature has adjourned.

Schumer said the investigation is not just limited to the election, but will also examine whether foreign governments have been stealing American intellectual property.

"What the four of us intend this investigation to look at is foreign governments hacking into American institutions, government and otherwise," he said.

The four senators warned that "Congress' national security committees have worked diligently to address the complex challenge of cybersecurity, but recent events show that more must be done."

"Democrats and Republicans must work together," they said, adding: "This cannot become a partisan issue. The stakes are too high for our country."

Quoting 1054. LAbonbon:



Here's a clip on YT from CNN: Link
Thanks for taking the time to come up with "the real thing." The rest of this comment is not necessarily directed at you so much as at the forum.

In this video during an Iowa primary campaign in January 2016, before he locked the nomination, Donald Trump is talking about the tremendous voter loyalty he enjoys. The statement is an exaggeration meant as a joke. This is my take from seeing his demeanor and hearing the audience reaction in the context of this vid.

Then again, I'm one of these who watched the actual "groping comment" on a lengthy video and concluded it was "locker room talk" before Donald Trump described that way. Men talk amongst themselves about females and female conquests. A female who takes offense at the words in that TV clip doesn't know much about men. Talk is talk. Putting someone on trial and proving s/he did something or acted in a certain way considered criminal is not the same as playing a role on a TV show. Also, considering the context of the words and the historic timeframe of the "Inside Entertainment" setting, likely that sequence was intended as a "funny."

To put the 2016 offended psyche in perspective, people might want view some early Johnny Carson shows and see the joking around that went on before "PC" became a household phrase.
Quoting 1053. washingaway:



Have you been living under a rock? Google it, there is video after video. He said it!
Please do not order me around. No. I don't live under a rock. Over six decades plus I have lived in Alaska, Hawaii, California, Washington and Oklahoma. I choose to live on the Great Plains where I can see the Sky and Earth and what mountains exist here.

You see, I choose what I allow in my life. Rarely do I see TV news. Before the election I watched all three presidential debates - on NPR's youtube channel after the fact, and I was surprised at Public Radio's announcers revealing their biases. Please see also comment 1072. BTW, I do not google, I DuckDuck.

As I stated earlier in this thread, I will wait and see what Donald Trump does. I will not make a judgment from anonymous human wu comments or from op-eds that masquerade as journalism.
1074. elioe
Brrr... it's cold. Major lakes are about to freeze. They froze already once during the early November cold spell. At airport, some 5 km away from nearest major lake, it's -12.7 C. In city center, between two major lakes, -6.4 C. Some massive heat fluxes from the lakes, as is typical for this kind of early winter weather. Below-freezing conditions should prevail for most of next week. If GFS is to be believed, after that, including Christmas holidays, temperatures are mild, often above-freezing, and Southern Finland will be mostly warmer than Germany or Eastern France. Not sure if there will be a white Christmas on this year either.

And it's dark. From Sokos Hotel Torni at 3:20 pm local, Central Square in middle. Cropped from here



Following pic, cropped from here, looking towards downtown from an abandoned factory at 12:30 pm local, shows that Lake Näsijärvi has acquired a thin ice cover and some snow has been blown on top of it.

Quoting 1059. Patrap:

Ha

In a big country, dreams stay with you
Like a lover's voice fires the mountainside
Stay alive

In a big country, dreams stay with you
Like a lover's voice fires the mountainside
Stay alive

In a big country, dreams stay with you
Like a lover's voice fires the mountainside
Stay alive

Ha

Shock









Wow, thanks for the earworm :(
1076. hydrus
Quoting 1033. RobertWC:

Rendered Uninhabitable by Heat %u2014 It%u2019s Not Just Sudan, Parts From North Africa to the Middle East are Under the Gun

%u201CNorth Africa is already hot and is strongly increasing in temperature. At some point in this century, part of the region will become uninhabitable.%u201D %u2014 Dr. Johannes Lilieveld

%u201CThe number of climate refugees could increase dramatically in future. Researchers of the Max Planck Institute for Chemistry and the Cyprus Institute in Nicosia have calculated that the Middle East and North Africa could become so hot that human habitability is compromised.%u201D %u2014 The Max Planck Institute


Link
One of my favorite statements from Mr. Planck...


"As a man who has devoted his whole life to the most clear headed science, to the study of matter, I can tell you as a result of my research about atoms this much: There is no matter as such. All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force which brings the particle of an atom to vibration and holds this most minute solar system of the atom together. We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent mind. This mind is the matrix of all matter.
Quoting 1052. daddyjames:



I agree with your point. I think that disrespect for a man and the office of president has certainly been on display for the past eight years. Both by members of this blog, the general public, and members of Congress. The genie escaped from that bottle eight years ago. Saying it should be put back in now, well that is a bit too late.
No where near the disrespect that's being shown now on this site. Yes, the genie should be "put back in now" on wunderground.com where conservative members were banned over far less in the 2008-010 timeframe. On the national scene, we shall see. If my needle seems stuck in the wait-and-see groove, it is, and so shall it remain for at least a year (add: Lord-willing, creek and all). I will not stress over blustery imaginings, and much of partisan politics is, now and always, just that - blustery imaginings, accusations, and falsehoods.
1078. hydrus
Quoting 1065. Xandra:

WHY VLADIMIR PUTIN’S RUSSIA IS BACKING DONALD TRUMP

Inside Vladimir Putin's complex gambit to weaken NATO.


Many of us know why Putin wants to weaken NATO....:)
Quoting 1000. hydrus:

I still cant believe how many people voted for a dude like that.





I just came in from outside fine moderate snow turned on the heat ramps first 2 inches on the ground now likely do my first snow clean of the season starting around 9 or 10 pm I figure
1080. no1der
Trump, Putin, and ExxonMobil team up to destroy the planet -
Pick of Exxon CEO for Secretary of State clarifies why Putin wants President Trump: a $500 billion oil deal killed by sanctions


The aligning interests between Russian President Vladimir Putin, Russia's choice for U.S. president (Donald Trump), and Big Oil represents the gravest threat to humanity (and democracy) since the rise of the Axis powers in the 1930s.

That's because while Trump may not be able to destroy global climate action and the landmark 2105 Paris climate deal all by himself - as he pledged to do during the campaign - he probably could do that with help from Russia and the trillion-dollar oil industry.

So much is explained by Trump's Secretary of State choice. Media reports now say it will be Rex Tillerson, CEO of oil giant ExxonMobil, which had made a $500 billion oil deal with Putin that got blocked by sanctions.
Quoting 1073. Barefootontherocks:

Please do not order me around. No. I don't live under a rock. Over six decades plus I have lived in Alaska, Hawaii, California, Washington and Oklahoma. I choose to live on the Great Plains where I can see the Sky and Earth and what mountains exist here.

You see, I choose what I allow in my life. Rarely do I see TV news. Before the election I watched all three presidential debates - on NPR's youtube channel, after the fact, and I was surprised at Public Radio's announcers revealing their biases. Please see also comment 1072. BTW, I do not google, I DuckDuck.

As I stated earlier in this thread, I will wait and see what Donald Trump does. I will not make a judgment from anonymous human wu comments or from op-eds that masquerade as journalism.

Mr. Rock,
If you choose what to allow in you life or where you choose to get your news from, who am I to tell you what source to rely on. Therefore, If you google it, you can choose who to believe and what you want to believe. Trump said it, it made international news. So check it out for yourself, or don't.
And from The Guardian:

Rex Tillerson: an appointment that would confirm Putin's US election win

Julian Borger in Washington, Sunday 11 December 2016 11.10 EST

If Rex Tillerson is nominated as the next secretary of state, it would confirm Vladimir Putin as one of the strategic victors of the US presidential election.

Barack Obama has ordered an inquiry into covert Russian intervention in the campaign, which the CIA says was designed to secure a victory for Donald Trump. But whether or not Russian intervention made a significant difference to the outcome, a Tillerson appointment would represent a significant gain for Moscow.

While the other leading candidates for the job hold largely traditional and adversarial views on Russia, the outgoing chief executive of Exxon Mobil has a history of close business ties to Putin, who bestowed the Order of Friendship on Tillerson in 2013.

The Wall Street Journal reported: “Friends and associates said few US citizens are closer to Mr Putin than Mr Tillerson.”

The 64-year-old Texas oilman spent much of his career working on Russian deals, including a 2011 agreement giving Exxon Mobil access to the huge resources under the Russian Arctic in return for giving the giant state-owned Russian oil company, OAO Rosneft, the opportunity to invest in Exxon Mobil’s operations overseas.

Tillerson is also friends with the head of Rosneft, Igor Sechin, a former interpreter who worked as chief of staff for Putin when he was deputy mayor in St Petersburg in the mid-1990s. Sechin, sometimes described as the second-most-powerful man in Russia, is now under US sanctions. He has said that one of his ambitions is to “ride the roads in the United States on motorcycles with Tillerson”.

The 2011 Exxon-Rosneft agreement was frozen when sanctions were imposed on Russia in 2014, following the annexation of Crimea and covert military intervention in eastern Ukraine. Exxon Mobil estimated the sanctions cost it $1bn and Tillerson has argued strenuously for the measures to be lifted.
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bye all am takeing winter break i will be back on when there is a significant severe weather event or snow event on the E coast other wise am stay out of this GW and Political and it seems like this blog has come off the tracks there seems too be more talk about GW and Political then the weather it self so am going too be takeing a nic long winter break i be back on here if there is a significant severe weather event or snow event worth chating with you guys about

but in tell i see this blog start talking more about the weather and less talk about GW and Political am gone this place has really derail from what it used too be why you think i have not been on here march if not all any more in the last few weeks or so well you gust it


well am gone so the only time i be on here now is when we have a significant severe weather event or snow event or during hurricane season
Lets not forget Clinton has been making under the table deals with Russia for years. You can't trust anyone in politics.

One such example
Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium Deal

Link
"the sale gave the Russians control of one-fifth of all uranium production capacity in the United States."

" Canadian records show, a flow of cash made its way to the Clinton Foundation. Uranium One’s chairman used his family foundation to make four donations totaling $2.35 million. Those contributions were not publicly disclosed by the Clintons, "


Quoting 1069. Patrap:



K. C.

1 min ·
Stolen Status of the Day:

"The election is over. The Russians won. Get over it."
if this act of influence is true then by law it can be declared Casus belli
Quoting 1081. washingaway:


Mr. Rock,
If you choose what to allow in you life or where you choose to get your news from, who am I to tell you what source to rely on. Therefore, If you google it, you can choose who to believe and what you want to believe. Trump said it, it made international news. So check it out for yourself, or don't.
Of course I can choose, and thank you for recognizing that. "The international news" is gonna skew whatever it wants, whichever way it wants. I believe what my own senses tell me. That's why I like the original source. I did watch the video and described my take on it - before I replied to you. Once again, to quote my previous reply to you, "Please see also comment 1072."

BTW, I'm not of the "Mr." gender. You know the saying about "assume..."? If not, and you care to learn it, you can always DuckDuck it. Or Google it, if you like using a search engine that tracks you.
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1090. ChiThom
Quoting 1085. Sfloridacat5:

Lets not forget Clinton has been making under the table deals with Russia for years. You can't trust anyone in politics.

One such example
Cash Flowed to Clinton Foundation Amid Russian Uranium Deal

Link
"the sale gave the Russians control of one-fifth of all uranium production capacity in the United States."

" Canadian records show, a flow of cash made its way to the Clinton Foundation. Uranium One%u2019s chairman used his family foundation to make four donations totaling $2.35 million. Those contributions were not publicly disclosed by the Clintons, "




Hmmm... It seems to me that the sale of U.S. mines to Russia began under the former President Bush, in 2005.
Quoting 1087. Barefootontherocks:

Of course I can choose, and thank you for recognizing that. "The international news" is gonna skew whatever it wants, whichever way it wants. I believe what my own senses tell me. That's why I like the original source. I did watch the video and described my take on it - before I replied to you. Once again, to quote my previous reply to you, "Please see also comment 1072."

BTW, I'm not of the "Mr." gender. You know the saying about "assume..."? If not, and you care to learn it, you can always DuckDuck it. Or Google it, if you like using a search engine that tracks you.

I did assume you were a man, my apologies. As for comment 1072, let me put my perspective on the matter. Loyalty is not alway an honorable thing. Many were loyal to Hitler.
1093. ChiThom
...double post
Quoting 1072. Barefootontherocks:
...Then again, I'm one of these who watched the actual "groping comment" on a lengthy video and concluded it was "locker room talk" before Donald Trump described that way. Men talk amongst themselves about females and female conquests. A female who takes offense at the words in that TV clip doesn't know much about men...


And you wonder why women are consistently treated as inferior to men? This kind of apologist attitude coming from a WOMAN is just plain disgusting. And I'm a man. Ex-jock. Played football for years. Run. Weightlift. So on and so forth. And not once, even in high school, did I ever here anything even close to what Trump said either outside or inside a locker room.

Men with the attitude that women are just objects to conquest is why there are gender issues in the first place. You want to be treated like a human being instead of a piece of meat? You want to be treated like a woman instead of some sort of sex object? You want to be treated equally? Stop ACCEPTING that type of crap as "normal" and "locker room talk".
1097. ChiThom
We're getting a lot of snow, but not the ten inches forecast. The small lakes (< 1 km) have suddenly frozen-over. The Canada Geese are keeping some water open, as usual. The freezing is notable, since it's been so warm throughout November. But a few nights below 20° have allowed these lakes to freeze. I don't think they're safe for skating on yet, but in a few more days they will be, if anyone has ice skates anymore!
Quoting 1093. ChiThom:



Hmmm... It seems to me that the sale of U.S. mines to Russia began under the former President Bush, in 2005.


Yep, and the sale was approved by nine different agencies in addition to multiple state and federal nuclear regulatory bodies. In fact, the sale was planned and in the works long before Clinton became secretary, and even before her run as a presidential candidate in 2008. But the alt-blight is more than happy to make it appear as if Clinton single-highhandedly made the sale all by herself, which is just as stupid as claiming "pizzagate" is real.

No singular authority in the US can buy or sell radioactive assets without jumping through a lot of hoops. The process takes years and a lot of signatures. In this case, the process began, as you noted, during the Bush presidency.
Quoting 1072. Barefootontherocks:

Thanks for taking the time to come up with "the real thing." The rest of this comment is not necessarily directed at you so much as at the forum.

In this video during an Iowa primary campaign in January 2016, before he locked the nomination, Donald Trump is talking about the tremendous voter loyalty he enjoys. The statement is an exaggeration meant as a joke. This is my take from seeing his demeanor and hearing the audience reaction in the context of this vid.

Then again, I'm one of these who watched the actual "groping comment" on a lengthy video and concluded it was "locker room talk" before Donald Trump described that way. Men talk amongst themselves about females and female conquests. A female who takes offense at the words in that TV clip doesn't know much about men. Talk is talk. Putting someone on trial and proving s/he did something or acted in a certain way considered criminal is not the same as playing a role on a TV show. Also, considering the context of the words and the historic timeframe of the "Inside Entertainment" setting, likely that sequence was intended as a "funny."

To put the 2016 offended psyche in perspective, people might want view some early Johnny Carson shows and see the joking around that went on before "PC" became a household phrase.

So, he is saying my followers are so loyal I could commit murder and they will still support me! If this was the only crazy thing trump said, maybe I could buy into you're "context". Also, how can you compare a comedy show to a presidential candidate joking about sexual assault. Trump is right, he can do just about anything and people will still follow and support him. That doesn't mean they should.
Climate Scientists' Christmas in the age of Trump:

No science here. Just politics. Which is to be expected since Global Warming appears to have been marginalized into a political topic.
1102. ChiThom
It's time for me to go out to plow the driveway.
1103. hydrus
Quoting 1095. Xyrus2000:



And you wonder why women are consistently treated as inferior to men? This kind of apologist attitude coming from a WOMAN is just plain disgusting. And I'm a man. Ex-jock. Played football for years. Run. Weightlift. So on and so forth. And not once, even in high school, did I ever here anything even close to what Trump said either outside or inside a locker room.

Men with the attitude that women are just objects to conquest is why there are gender issues in the first place. You want to be treated like a human being instead of a piece of meat? You want to be treated like a woman instead of some sort of sex object? You want to be treated equally? Stop ACCEPTING that type of crap as "normal" and "locker room talk".
You and I think alike...NEVER.!..Not now, attending College, High School, middle school, or the gym, at a pub, restaurant, football or baseball game, never did I speak the absolute disrespectful garbage that spewed out of his cesspool.., especially about women. In fact, when I saw this on the tube, I was beyond severely pissed off, and at that moment hated him.
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eh he wasn't talking to or about me.I'm not looked at as a piece of meat because I don't hang around those types of men or in that type of business.
1107. Patrap


Quoting 1091. washingaway:


I did assume you were a man, my apologies. As for comment 1072, let me put my perspective on the matter. Loyalty is not alway an honorable thing. Many were loyal to Hitler.

This far too long and drawn out conversation started with a comment you made that quoted "Trump." You did not source the comment. I went to the source and saw the quote on a news video and learned those words came from an early primary speech Mr. Trump gave in Iowa. By my analysis the quote was a joking statement about the amount of voter loyalty he enjoyed at that time.

Now you've brought all this around to Adolph Hitler. LMAO You seem to intimate loyalty to Mr Trump could be a "bad thing" and use "Hitler" in the next sentence. You, or whoever put these thoughts in your head, might think this tactic clever, but it doesn't fly. Not with me. I studied propaganda. You might want to read J. Edgar Hoover's book, Masters of Deceit. I did. Your tactic doesn't scare me, and it won't fly with anyone who thinks for himself. (Masculine used because him is not just him anymore. No slight is intended toward females.) From what I know about history and human nature, it just might be many became or remained "loyal" to Hiltler out of fear not out of admiration.

Oh, on preview I glimpsed another comment from you to me. Add: through ...
Quoting 1099. washingaway:


So, he is saying my followers are so loyal I could commit murder and they will still support me! If this was the only crazy thing trump said, maybe I could buy into you're "context". Also, how can you compare a comedy show to a presidential candidate joking about sexual assault. Trump is right, he can do just about anything and people will still follow and support him. That doesn't mean they should.
In context this was not a "crazy" statement. Also, Mr. Trump was not running for President when he was on that show and the show itself comes from a different place in TV history than we're at right now. Good grief, do I need to mention the way they dress the "babes" on the weather channel? or other presidents and their actual actions, not just their words? Perhaps someday you will try to think objectively, even when someone's asking you not to.
...
I must draw the line.
That's it from me for you
today and always,
bf
1109. ncstorm
Quoting 1095. Xyrus2000:



And you wonder why women are consistently treated as inferior to men? This kind of apologist attitude coming from a WOMAN is just plain disgusting. And I'm a man. Ex-jock. Played football for years. Run. Weightlift. So on and so forth. And not once, even in high school, did I ever here anything even close to what Trump said either outside or inside a locker room.

Men with the attitude that women are just objects to conquest is why there are gender issues in the first place. You want to be treated like a human being instead of a piece of meat? You want to be treated like a woman instead of some sort of sex object? You want to be treated equally? Stop ACCEPTING that type of crap as "normal" and "locker room talk".


Thank you
I would so much like a new blog
Specially for Grothar: comment #251 in my blog.
Quoting 1110. KEEPEROFTHEGATE:

I would so much like a new blog
Dr. Masters and Bob Henson mentioned they were having trouble linking images. Did they remember that they need to change https to http in their image links?
Quoting 1108. Barefootontherocks:

This far too long and drawn out conversation started with a comment you made that quoted "Trump." You did not source the comment. I went to the source and saw the quote on a news video and learned those words came from an early primary speech Mr. Trump gave in Iowa. By my analysis the quote was a joking statement about the amount of voter loyalty he enjoyed at that time.

Now you've brought all this around to Adolph Hitler. LMAO You seem to intimate loyalty to Mr Trump could be a "bad thing" and use "Hitler" in the next sentence. You, or whoever put these thoughts in your head, might think this tactic clever, but it doesn't fly. Not with me. I studied propaganda. You might want to read J. Edgar Hoover's book, Masters of Deceit. I did. Your tactic doesn't scare me, and it won't fly with anyone who thinks for himself. (Masculine used because him is not just him anymore. No slight is intended toward females.) From what I know about history and human nature, it just might be many became or remained "loyal" to Hiltler out of fear not out of admiration.

Oh, on preview I glimpsed another comment from you to me. I must draw the line.
That's it from me for you
today and always,
bf

I understand, I can image how hard it is to keep making excuses for Mr. Trump and the crazy things he says.
political talk is out of hand we need to have a break or we will all go mad
Quoting 1114. washingaway:


I understand, I can image how hard it is to keep making excuses for Mr. Trump and the crazy things he says.
Please see the "add" at 1108.
'Bye now,
bf
1117. hydrus
Quoting 1115. KEEPEROFTHEGATE:

political talk is out of hand we need to have a break or we will all go mad
Sorry Keep...One of those subjects gets me steamed to well over the boiling point.
India Meteorological Department
Tropical Cyclone Advisory #39
Hurricane Warning
VERY SEVERE CYCLONIC STORM VARDAH (BOB06-2016)
23:30 PM IST December 11 2016
================================
Cyclone Warning for southern Andhra Pradesh and northern Tamil Nadu Coasts: Red Message

At 18:00 PM UTC, Very Severe Cyclonic Storm VARDAH over west central and adjoining southwestern Bay of Bengal moved further nearly west southwestwards during past 6 hours with a speed of 12 km/h and lays centered at 2330 over west central & adjoining southwestern Bay of Bengal near 13.1N 82.3E, about 220 km east northeast of Chennai and 290 km east southeast of Nellore.

The system is very likely to move nearly westwards and weaken gradually while moving towards northern Tamil Nadu and adjoining southern Andhra Pradesh coasts. It is very likely to cross northern Tamil Nadu and southern Andhra Pradesh coasts, close to Chennai as a cyclonic storm with a wind speed of 45-50 knots by tomorrow afternoon.

According to satellite imagery, the system intensity is T4.0. Cloud convection shows central dense overcast pattern. Minimum cloud top temperature is -88C. Associated broken low/medium clouds with embedded intense to very intense convection lie over Bay of Bengal between 11.0N & 16.0N and east of longitude 84.0E.

3 minute sustained winds near the center is 70 knots with gusts of 80 knots. The state of the sea is phenomenal around the center of the system. The estimated central pressure of the very severe cyclonic storm is 982 hPa.

Storm Surge
============
The tidal wave of about one meter height above the astronomical tide is very likely to inundate the low lying areas of Chennai, Thiruvallur and Kanchipuram districts of Tamil Nadu and Nellore districts of Andhra Pradesh during the time of landfall.


Forecast and Intensity
==============
12 HRS 13.1N 80.8E - 50 knots (Severe Cyclonic Storm)
24 HRS 13.2N 79.3E - 25 knots (Depression)

Additional Information
====================
The sea surface temperature is around 28-29C. The sea surface temperature decreases towards northwest and adjoining west central Bay of Bengal becoming 26-27C near Andhra Pradesh coast. The ocean heat content is about 70-80 kj/cm2 over the system and gradually decreases towards northwest, becoming less than 50 kj/cm2 near Andhra Pradesh coast except over a small pocket of west central Bay of Bengal off central Andhra Pradesh coast where, it is 60-70 kj/cm2. The low level convergence is about 20-25x10-5 s-1 to the south & southwest of the system center, the upper level divergence is around 30x10-5 s-1 to southwest of the system center. The low level relative vorticity is about 200-250x10-6 s-1 to the south & southwest of the system center. The winds between 251-350 mb levels are easterly around the system center. Latest total precipitable water imagery indicates the reduction in feeding of warm & moist air to the core of the system from southeast direction. The vertical wind shear of horizontal wind is high (20-25 knots) around the system center and is same along the forecast track.

The high vertical wind shear and lower sea surface temperature and ocean thermal energy near Andhra Pradesh and Tamil Nadu coasts will be unfavorable factors when the system reaches nearer to these coasts. It may lead to weakening of the system during next 24 hours.
1119. aquak9
Quoting 1110. KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
I would so much like a new president

Me too, Keeper...me too.
:)
and I don't want to ban the blog
Quoting 1119. aquak9:


Me too, Keeper...me too.
:)
give it up you
Quoting 1117. hydrus:

Sorry Keep...One of those subjects gets me steamed to well over the boiling point.
a lot of peeps if I hit them all there would only be a blog with no comments
1123. aquak9
#ToughLittleRussian December 10th, 2016: -45C, (-49F) Yakutsk, Russia (Siberia): a toddler on a swing. Picture shared by Artyom Deryagin.

Quoting 1074. elioe:

Brrr... it's cold. Major lakes are about to freeze. They froze already once during the early November cold spell. At airport, some 5 km away from nearest major lake, it's -12.7 C. In city center, between two major lakes, -6.4 C. Some massive heat fluxes from the lakes, as is typical for this kind of early winter weather. Below-freezing conditions should prevail for most of next week. If GFS is to be believed, after that, including Christmas holidays, temperatures are mild, often above-freezing, and Southern Finland will be mostly warmer than Germany or Eastern France. Not sure if there will be a white Christmas on this year either.

(snip)


Your post is quite interesting. The city of Tampere's temperature is mitigated by the proximity of nearby lakes - is that correct? Also, how typical/atypical is it for southern Finland to be warmer than Germany and eastern France this time of year?
I'll take hurricanes over blizzards any day.
Excuse me, keeperofthegate,
I did not see your comment about ending political discussion before I posted to my last comment to washingaway. Please forgive also, this non-political reply to a comment addressed to me by Xyrus, which I'd not have seen had the quote not shown up. If you cannot allow my comment here, I guess I'm banned, but I must respond (add: to Xyrus and any plussers of that comment..

"And you wonder why women are consistently treated as inferior to men?" etc.

No, I do not wonder that, nor, in all my sixty-some years, have I experienced being treated as though I am "inferior to men." I've bumped into people, male and female, who may have had lower expectations of me than I had of myself, but that's about it. I come from a family where individuality was and is valued. I learned long ago I own my feelings.

(12-12-16 10:10 a.m. cdt, Statements about my family removed for privacy's sake. Thank you to those who understand/understood this comment was a necessary response to a MachoMan rant. Ironic, huh?)

You know me not. I am who I am, and I will not ever be what you or anyone else would wish me to be.
Thank goodness.
1133. Xandra
From Tamino's blog:

Climate Change: Important Video

Posted on December 9, 2016

1134. elioe
Quoting 1120. KEEPEROFTHEGATE:

and I don't want to ban the blog


And I guess it would be a massive task to remove some 500 comments from this blog... ;)
Quoting 1134. elioe:



And I guess it would be a massive task to remove some 500 comments from this blog... ;)
well the comm can flag em as well but I don't promote that it has to be of there own free will
Quoting 1102. ChiThom:

It's time for me to go out to plow the driveway.


So, you managed to get the mower deck off???
1137. Xandra
Quoting 1133. Xandra:

From Tamino's blog:

Climate Change: Important Video

Posted on December 9, 2016

A quote from the video:

"There is a mysterious cycle in human events.
To some generations much is given.
Of other generations much is expected.
This generation has a rendezvous with destiny."

Franklin D. Roosevelt - 1936

double post removed
Quoting 1115. KEEPEROFTHEGATE:

political talk is out of hand we need to have a break or we will all go mad


I agree for sure. But it may be too late.

But...what is one to do when so many politic, business, and media leaders engage in ideation, policy formation, and actions that are clearly sociopathic?

Brew a pot of tea, sit on the porch overlooking the countryside and read a little Proust? While that may work for a bit, it is as much of an escape as a bottle of booze, or a hit of acid.

It may be that talking about things is therapeutic for the entire group, even though we don't agree, as a group, on very much at all. The issues we rant about (Leader Lunacy, Climate Change, Planet Death .... there are several others that we HAVEN'T brought up, and I'm not going to mention them!) are of such consequence that they dwarf, almost into the unconscious, that delightful chardonnay of taking in the day-to-day weather.

I'm not trying to assert that the group behave this way or that way. I'm quite simply observing the fact that, these days, 'engaging the data' is like doing Spock's Vulcan 'mind meld' with a Tesla coil.

Sh*t. I sound like Dr. McCoy

(And I'm referring to the first Star Trek, not that insipid thing that was at the theatre this last year. Ugh!)
1140. Patrap
The seriousness of this is not debatable.

Our Democracy is always above partisanship.

Until now.


Veterans like Grothar, myself and many others gave a good part of our early lives to defending the Nation during the Cold War years.

Putin is the remnant of that era.

And to have the admin elect cozying up to them in such manner...as we're learning about.

Itsa gonna be some bad, bad, mojo revelations to come.

THE NATIONAL INTEREST
December 10, 2016
11:06 a.m.
Trump, McConnell, Putin, and the Triumph of the Will to Power


Friday, the Washington Post reported that the CIA had concluded well before November that Russia specifically sought to elect Trump. The CIA's analysis is obviously not infallible, but it fits with a wide array of other evidence. Russia had a clear motive: chilly relations with the Democratic administration that had orchestrated sanctions against it, close ties with Donald Trump and several of his advisers, and a series of pro-Russian positions from Trump on such issues as Crimea, NATO, and Vladimir Putin's human rights abuses. Russia also hacked the Republican National Committee but declined to release any of the contents. The disruption was intentionally one-sided. The CIA's conclusion merely lends incrementally more confidence to a deduction that was already fairly obvious.
1141. BayFog

Heavy rain falling on snow with a rising freezing level is forecast to create major runoff in the northern mountains including the Shasta and Oroville watersheds, which feed the major reservoirs of the Federal and California water projects. Both have been slower than many of the smaller reservoirs to recover from the recent drought, with Lake Shasta currently at 65% capacity, and Lake Oroville at 43.5%. Reservoirs serving the SF Bay Area are well above normal for the time of year, but the snowpack season hasn't started yet. (sorry, the full graphic didn't appear---it shows a flood watch posted for the northern mountains from Yosemite to the Oregon border]
1144. elioe
Quoting 1130. LAbonbon:


Your post is quite interesting. The city of Tampere's temperature is mitigated by the proximity of nearby lakes - is that correct? Also, how typical/atypical is it for southern Finland to be warmer than Germany and eastern France this time of year?


Yes, lakes moderate the temperature, especially in downtown. During an early-winter cold spell like this, when there is not much ice cover yet, downtown can be 5-10 degrees Celsius warmer than airport. Conversely, during a summer heat wave, downtown can be 5-10 degrees Celsius cooler than airport.

For period 1981-2010, Tampere had 5.8 degrees Celsius cooler December averages than Munich, Germany. What would I estimate, hmmm... perhaps Tampere has traditionally been colder than Munich for 95% of the time in December? But the temperature difference is steadily decreasing. By the end of this century, Tampere could be warmer by average than Munich.
1145. BayFog

Hawaiian tap still wide open, but still in need of stronger cold or cyclonic dynamics for major precip event. Progs currently have something coming in by Thursday
1146. Patrap
I'll be arriving in San Francisco round Midnight Tuesday.

First visit for me there.



Quoting 1140. Patrap:

The seriousness of this is not debatable.

Our Democracy is always above partisanship.

Until now.


Veterans like Grothar, myself and many others gave a good part of our early lives to defending the Nation during the Cold War years.

Putin is the remnant of that era.

And to have the admin elect cozying up to them in such manner...as we're learning about.

Itsa gonna be some bad, bad, mojo revelations to come.

THE NATIONAL INTEREST
December 10, 2016
11:06 a.m.
Trump, McConnell, Putin, and the Triumph of the Will to Power


Friday, the Washington Post reported that the CIA had concluded well before November that Russia specifically sought to elect Trump. The CIA's analysis is obviously not infallible, but it fits with a wide array of other evidence. Russia had a clear motive: chilly relations with the Democratic administration that had orchestrated sanctions against it, close ties with Donald Trump and several of his advisers, and a series of pro-Russian positions from Trump on such issues as Crimea, NATO, and Vladimir Putin's human rights abuses. Russia also hacked the Republican National Committee but declined to release any of the contents. The disruption was intentionally one-sided. The CIA's conclusion merely lends incrementally more confidence to a deduction that was already fairly obvious.


The CIA is a little late to the party. Europe has been dealing with Russia's disinformation campaigns and interference for some time, and even warned the US about it. The Russians are accomplishing with the internet what they could never have dreamed of back during the Cold War days.

They're winning.
1149. Patrap
Quoting 1148. Xyrus2000:



The CIA is a little late to the party. Europe has been dealing with Russia's disinformation campaigns and interference for some time, and even warned the US about it. The Russians are accomplishing with the internet what they could never have dreamed of back during the Cold War days.

They're winning.


Many know this, and many agree with that fact.

The stakes, are higher and as I said bluntly and will this week to come, ..we could lose all we have gained and secured the last 100 years. Or 3 Generations.

The warming though, will and does continue,

unabated.
Quoting 1146. Patrap:

I'll be arriving in San Francisco round Midnight Tuesday.

First visit for me there.





If you're going to San Francisco
Be sure to wear some flowers in your hair

California dreaming...on such winter's day

Going to California with aching in my heart....

Rice o Roni the San Francisco treat

Those songs are going stick in your head I know it. You're welcome :/

We are nearer to Spring
Than we were in September
I heard a bird sing
In the dark of December

Oliver Herford (1863-1935)
1152. Patrap
.."You were pumping iron while I was pumping irony'...



A brand new human being, razor sharp, all firm and tanned
All clean, all pure, with a thirty-second attention span
As the clock strikes twelve and we're ready for party games
You play blind man's buff and I'll play out charades

(Heaven knows) what kind of fool am I
(Heaven knows) why you take an eye for an eye
(Heaven knows) what comes over me
You were pumping iron as I was pumping irony

Now I find myself fully occupied and half alive
With your head, heart, arms and legs wrapped around my family pride
See the whites of their eyes then shoot
With all the romance of the Ton Ton Macoute
Quoting 1153. Patrap:


If you're going to San Francisco
Be sure to wear some flowers in your hair



Saw dis in 77, Baton Rouge..TSRTS Tour.

..and I shall.


San Francisco 7 day wu cast


Rice o Roni the San Fancisco treat
1158. ChiThom
Quoting 1136. PedleyCA:



So, you managed to get the mower deck off???


Hi Ped. Yeah, I did the whole job on Saturday in about three hours. The plow needed some oil and fussing, and now everything works.
The snow was dry enough to plow, but now it's so wet, it may rain. My overalls got soaked in an hour of plowing and shoveling. I'm too tired to make pictures. It's still snowing, for the next few hours.
1161. vis0
Look at the tease spin nearing / over Nicaragua

Look at that Colder than expected (72 hrs ago) air mass flow towards NE USofA and is their reinforcement in 6-7 days?

Look at the tight spin entering southern Greenland as though small dimension (LOW) its connecting front drags wayyy southward/SSW.

Look at that moisture towards cPac...
1162. Xandra
From Eurasia Review:

Climate Change Likely Caused Deadly 2016 Avalanche In Tibet


The Qinghai-Tibetan Plateau lies between the Himalayan range to the south and the Kunlun Range to the north. Map by Lencer, Wikipedia Commons.

With a deadly avalanche, it appears climate change may now be affecting a once stable region of the Tibetan Plateau.

That’s the conclusion of an international team of researchers who have published an analysis of the July 2016 disaster in the Dec. 9 issue of the Journal of Glaciology.

On July 17, more than 70 million tons of ice broke off from the Aru glacier in the mountains of western Tibet and tumbled into a valley below, taking the lives of nine nomadic yak herders living there.

To perform a kind of forensic analysis of the avalanche, researchers from the Chinese Academy of Sciences joined with two glaciologists from The Ohio State University: Lonnie Thompson, Distinguished University Professor in the School of Earth Sciences and research scientist at the Byrd Polar and Climate Research Center (BPCRC), and Ellen Mosley-Thompson, Distinguished University Professor in Geography and director of BPCRC.

The most important fact about the avalanche, said Thompson, is that it lasted only four or five minutes (according to witnesses), yet it managed to bury 3.7 square miles of the valley floor in that time. He said something–likely meltwater at the base of the glacier–must have lubricated the ice to speed its flow down the mountain.

“Given the rate at which the event occurred and the area covered, I think it could only happen in the presence of meltwater,” Thompson said. Other nearby glaciers may be vulnerable, he added, “but unfortunately as of today, we have no ability to predict such disasters.”

Read more >>
1163. no1der
Quoting 1099. washingaway:


So, he is saying my followers are so loyal I could commit murder and they will still support me! If this was the only crazy thing trump said, maybe I could buy into you're "context". Also, how can you compare a comedy show to a presidential candidate joking about sexual assault. Trump is right, he can do just about anything and people will still follow and support him. That doesn't mean they should.


"Wild as any freedom-lovin' racist,
I applaud the actions of The Chief"

Jazz Police, 1982

- Leonard Cohen (1934-2016)
1164. elioe
Quoting 1156. washingaway:



San Fransisco and Star Trek, a destructive combination...

1165. bwi
Nice interview from Dr. Jennifer Francis for the Yale student paper. For a future Nobel prize winner, she's a good plain language communicator. (I think in 20 years we'll have proof that her ideas linking Arctic amplification -- more warming at the pole than at lower latitudes -- with conniptions in the jet stream and impacts on sensible weather are among the most impactful in scientific history.)

05 DEC 2016: INTERVIEW
An Unusually Warm Arctic Year:
Sign of Future Climate Turmoil?
This year will almost certainly go down as the warmest on record in the Arctic, with autumn temperatures soaring 36 degrees F above normal. In a Yale e360 interview, climatologist Jennifer Francis explains why a swiftly warming Arctic may have profound effects on global weather.
by fen montaigne

Atmospheric scientist Jennifer Francis has for five years propounded a widely discussed theory about the rapidly warming Arctic and global weather: Rising temperatures in the Arctic, closely intertwined with the loss of sea ice, are changing the shape of the jet stream and altering the weather of the Northern Hemisphere.

Some climate scientists and meteorologists have embraced her theory, while others have adopted a wait-and-see attitude.

But this year’s freakishly warm Arctic weather is lending credence to her hypothesis that a lessening of the temperature difference between the Arctic and the mid-latitudes is causing the jet stream to wobble, allowing warm air to flood into the north polar regions and sending frigid air southward into parts of Asia. More profound changes are in store as the Arctic continues to warm, says Francis, a research professor at Rutgers University.

In an interview with Yale Environment 360, Francis discusses the perilous state of Arctic sea ice, explains why large portions of the Arctic have experienced temperatures more typical of New York City, and warns that we ignore the climate upheaval in the Arctic at our own peril. “The speed of the change is what is very disturbing to me,” says Francis, “because it's such an indicator of what's happening to the planet as a whole.”
1166. Patrap
wunderground is the name
And we served on the internet train
'Till Trump and their cavalry came
And tore up the blog again

In the winter of '17'
We were hungry, yes,scared but Mean
By May the 10th, San Fran had fell
It's a time I remember, oh so well

The night they drove old wunderground down
And the bells were ringing
The night they drove old wunderground down
And the lurker's were singing
They went, "Na, na, la, na, na, na"

Back with my wife in New Orleans
When one day she called to me
Said "Virgil, quick, come see,
There goes the last solar cell!"

Now, I don't mind chopping wood
And I don't care if the CO2's no good
You take what you need
And you leave the rest
But they should never
Have taken the very best

The night they drove old wunderground down
And the bells were ringing
The night they drove old wunderground down
And all the lurker's were singing
They went, "Na, na, la, na, na, na"








Quoting 1164. elioe:



San Fransisco and Star Trek, a destructive combination...



Well, I did use the evil Spock.
1169. Patrap
Quoting 1167. washingaway:


Well, I did use the evil Spock.



This is very difficult for me.

It is important that you be there in 2 days.


They may be one more message if all goes well.




1171. Patrap
We're all ready here on the dark side of the Moon...

keeper, play the pipe tones.

Beacon tower 4.







1172. Patrap
I pulled in to Nazareth was feelin' 'bout a half past dead
I just need some place where I can lay my head
Hey mister, can you tell me where a girl might find a bed
He just grinned and shook my hand, no was all he said
Take a load off Fanny, take the load for free
Take a load off Fanny and, and, and you put the load right on me

I picked up my bag I went lookin' for a place to hide
When I saw Carmen and the Devil walking side by side
I said, hey Carmen come on let's go downtown
She said I gotta go but my friend can stick around




Everyone loves food

Quoting 1144. elioe:



Yes, lakes moderate the temperature, especially in downtown. During an early-winter cold spell like this, when there is not much ice cover yet, downtown can be 5-10 degrees Celsius warmer than airport. Conversely, during a summer heat wave, downtown can be 5-10 degrees Celsius cooler than airport.

For period 1981-2010, Tampere had 5.8 degrees Celsius cooler December averages than Munich, Germany. What would I estimate, hmmm... perhaps Tampere has traditionally been colder than Munich for 95% of the time in December? But the temperature difference is steadily decreasing. By the end of this century, Tampere could be warmer by average than Munich.


Thanks for the information.

Quoting 1173. washingtonian115:

Everyone loves food



Damn, now I have run to Popeyes.
Muppets. Animal is my inner animal spirit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysIzPF3BfpQ
Quoting 1171. Patrap:

We're all ready here on the dark side of the Moon...

keeper, play the pipe tones.

Beacon tower 4.





1180. ronnm
Reegarding post 1140. First to state I respect your service and others who have served.

The FBI has taken a opposition view on this stateing the findings on motive are not findable at this moment. Hackers of Russian origin were present but beyond that they believe nothing conclusive can be stated at this time. So it is pretty much take your political pick, CIA dems or FBI Reps.

The idea we can trust either of these groups to be beyond poltiical motivation is to my opinion wrongly based. I of course do not favor Trump in any manner politically but also do know enough has been released in emails to know Hillary(who dispite this I would much prefer as president elect) was as corrupt as many fear. So to think the dems are on the right side and Trump wrong in this is presumptive.

My presumption is the dems represent nat gas interest and Trump oil. AS Trump favors oil his alignment is with nations that favor a higher oil price which is principally Russia. They were hurt significantly not so much by the sanctions but by the price of oil as is Venezulea and many others.

The CIA has been wrong historically on many many issues. they failed to call the default of the old USSR, proported back in the day nonsense such as the domino theory and completely failed to alert us to 9/11 before the fact. No heads rolled on that failure to my knowledge. Certainly they should have.
CiA agents can now work full time for corporations as well as being employed by the CIA which is a major conflict. My point being we cannot trust their intelligence to be necessarily objective and unbiased. The FBI may be in some regards not better but we cannot call one this or that without calling both this or that.

One thing I am glad for and it is the only thing I am glad for with Trump, is now at least we seem to have dodged another war of some sort, probably a limited proxy war in the mid east with Russia. Hillaries no fly zone would have caused that eventuality.

Trusting EU nations to state what is what in intelligence matters in which they have a great stake, is to my opinion unwise. They have agendas and none include telling the truth when it is counter to their interests. Russia has them over a barrel as per energy and they would like the US to do their fighting in any way to remove that barrel.
Look down by Central America. We'd have a tropical cyclone if this thing had a couple more days over water. Surprisingly, shear isn't really that oppressive. I had to do a double take when I saw mid- to upper-level EASTERLY flow blowing across the eastern Caribbean on water vapor imagery. That's pretty remarkable for the middle of December. Wow.
xx/xx/xx


interesting for December for sure
Quoting 1182. KEEPEROFTHEGATE:

xx/xx/xx


interesting for December for sure


There's a surface low underneath all of that convection, too. It's not entirely mid-level.
I really hate winter!

Thats a pretty accurate facial expression for me in the winter.
Quoting 1115. KEEPEROFTHEGATE:

political talk is out of hand we need to have a break or we will all go mad


Delete em all and give everybody a three day ban for a cooling off period. Yourself included.
My thinking is if Dr masters disliked these political discussions he would have requested the mods put the kibosh on it all days ago. Until we see a request/instruction from him I guess it is a go.
1187. Grothar
As I get older, I realize how much more prudent it is not to say anything about which you do not know or repeat what someone, who knows even less, writes. When I was learning Japanese, my teacher told me the most important aspect of learning Japanese, is learning what not to say.

Anyway, I will talk about what I do know and that is blobs!!


Many of our Carib blobs this year seem to have satellite blobs.
1189. Grothar
Quoting 1173. washingtonian115:

Everyone loves food




I remember this on a menu, deep fried chicken, mashed potatoes with gravy, buttered corn and a free side of coronary bypass.
I see someone screwed up the italics again around 1178-79... Sup Gro
1191. elioe
What is most striking in this picture? For me, it's not the unprecedented icefree patch all the way to Severnaya Zemlya. It's the area of 70-90% ice coverage, extending all the way to other side of North Pole. Such feature has not been seen on any December 11 in the period 1979-2015. The ice coverage has, within a pretty small distance, changed from 0% to 100%.
1192. elioe
Quoting 1190. PedleyCA:

I see someone screwed up the italics again around 1178-79... Sup Gro


It seems, that every time someone includes a Youtube embedding within a quote, the rest of page becomes italics. So it seems, it's not the commentator who screws up, but the coding of this website.
Good Eye.... and Good Night
Quoting 1187. Grothar:

As I get older, I realize how much more prudent it is not to say anything about which you do not know or repeat what someone, who knows even less, writes. When I was learning Japanese, my teacher told me the most important aspect of learning Japanese, is learning what not to say.

Anyway, I will talk about what I do know and that is blobs!!





An icy mess will soon be here, but there's a messy blob down there. I don't really see it devlope though.
1195. Grothar
Quoting 1194. Xyrus2000:



An icy mess will soon be here, but there's a messy blob down there. I don't really see it devlope though.


Funny, my mother-in-law said the same thing about me. I devloped just fine :)
India Meteorological Department
Tropical Cyclone Advisory #42
Hurricane Warning
VERY SEVERE CYCLONIC STORM VARDAH (BOB06-2016)
8:30 AM IST December 12 2016
================================
Cyclone Warning for southern Andhra Pradesh and northern Tamil Nadu Coasts: Red Message

At 3:00 AM UTC, Very Severe Cyclonic Storm VARDAH over west central and adjoining southwestern Bay of Bengal moved further westwards during past 6 hours with a speed of 13 km/h and lays centered over west central & adjoining southwestern Bay of Bengal near 13.2N 81.2E, about 105 km east northeast of Chennai.

The system is very likely to continue to move nearly westwards and cross northern Tamil Nadu and southern Andhra Pradesh coasts, close to Chennai as a severe cyclonic storm with a wind speed of 55-60 knots by this afternoon.

Storm Surge
============
The tidal wave of about one meter height above the astronomical tide is very likely to inundate the low lying areas of Chennai, Thiruvallur and Kanchipuram districts of Tamil Nadu and Nellore districts of Andhra Pradesh during the time of landfall.

Post Tropical Cyclone Landfall Outlook
====================
(a) Even after landfall, the system is likely to maintain its cyclonic storm intensity for next 6 hours and weaken gradually thereafter. Under its influence, rains at most places with heavy to very heavy falls at few places likely to continue in Chennai, Thiruvallur & Kanchipuram districts of northern Tamil Nadu, Puducherry and Nellore & Prakasam districts of Andhra Pradesh during next 12 hours after landfall. Winds speed reaching 35-40 knots likely to continue over these districts during next 6 hours after landfall and gradually decrease thereafter.

(b) As the cyclone moves inland north Interior districts of Tamil Nadu and Rayalaseema may also experience heavy to very heavy rain at isolated places during next 24 hours after land fall and squally winds reaching 20-25 knots likely during next 12 hrs after the landfall.

(c ) People are advised to remain in safe places and cooperate with state government officials and disaster management agencies.


Forecast and Intensity
==============
9 HRS 13.3N 80.1E - 55 knots (Severe Cyclonic Storm)
21 HRS 13.4N 78.5E - 25 knots (Depression)
India Meteorological Department
Tropical Cyclone Advisory #43
Hurricane Warning
VERY SEVERE CYCLONIC STORM VARDAH (BOB06-2016)
11:30 AM IST December 12 2016
================================
Cyclone Warning for Southern Andhra Pradesh and northern Tamil Nadu Coasts: RED Message

At 6:00 AM UTC, Very Severe Cyclonic Storm VARDAH over west central & adjoining southwestern Bay of Bengal moved further westwards during past 6 hours with a speed of 16 km/h and lays centered over west central & adjoining southwestern Bay of Bengal near 13.2N 80.7E, about 50 km east-northeast of Chennai.

The system is very likely to continue to move nearly westwards and cross northern Tamil Nadu and southern Andhra Pradesh coasts, close to Chennai as a severe cyclonic storm with a wind speed of 55-60 knots by afternoon, today.

The very severe cyclonic storm VARDAH is being monitored by Doppler Weather Radar at Chennai apart from Satellite and other observations.

According to satellite imagery, the system intensity is T4.0. Cloud convection shows central dense overcast pattern. Minimum cloud top temperature is -88C. Associated broken low/medium clouds with embedded intense to very intense convection lie over Bay of Bengal between 11.0N & 16.0N and west of longitude 84.0E.

3 minute sustained winds near the center is 65 knots with gusts of 75 knots. The state of the sea is phenomenal around the center of the system. The estimated central pressure of the very severe cyclonic storm is 982 hPa.

As reported by Doppler weather radar Chennai, the Very Severe Cyclonic Storm VARDAH with latest position of the system is centered near 13.2N and 81.7E with visible, irregular-closed shape eye with diameter of 42.2 km. Maximum radial velocity in eye wall/spiral band region is 48.0 m/s at 0.3 km height.

Storm Surge
===============
The tidal (storm surge wave of about one meter height above the astronomical tide is very likely to inundate the low lying areas of Chennai and Thiruvallur districts of Tamil Nadu and Nellore districts of Andhra Pradesh associated with landfall.

Post Tropical Cyclone Landfall Outlook
============================
(a) Even after landfall, the system is likely to maintain its cyclonic storm intensity for next 6 hours and weaken gradually thereafter. Under its influence, rains at most places with heavy to very heavy falls at few places very likely to continue in Chennai, Thiruvallur & Kanchipuram districts of north Tamil Nadu, Puducherry and Nellore & Prakasam districts of Andhra Pradesh during next 12 hours after landfall. Winds speed reaching 35-40 knots likely to continue over these districts during next 06 hrs after landfall and gradually decrease thereafter.

(b) As the cyclone moves inland north Interior districts of Tamil Nadu and Rayalaseema may also experience heavy to very heavy rain at isolated places during next 24 hours after land fall and squally winds reaching 20-25 knots likely during next 12 hours after the landfall.

(c ) People are advised to remain in safe places and cooperate with state government officials and disaster management agencies.


Forecast and Intensity
==============
12 HRS 13.3N 79.3E - 35 knots (Cyclonic Storm)
18 HRS 13.4N 78.5E - 25 knots (Depression)
1198. barbamz
Good morning with landfalling "Vardah" and best wishes to the Indian folks affected:





Live blog:
Cyclone Vardah Live: Periphery hits coast near Chennai, thousands evacuated
Hindustan Times, Updated: Dec 12, 2016 14:47 IST

As India and Pakistan aren't that friendly with each other, to say the least:
Did you know Pakistan suggested to name deadly cyclone that hit Chennai 'Vardah'
This is why Cyclone Vardah was named by our neighboring country Pakistan.
IndiaToday.in, New Delhi, December 12, 2016 | UPDATED 13:32 IST
"Vardah" is an Urdu word which translates to "rose" and was suggested by Pakistan.
1199. barbamz
Little video from Vardah: click the pic.twitter.com link:


Another one (youtube).

1200. barbamz
Ice loss spreads up Antarctic glaciers
By Jonathan Amos BBC Science Correspondent, San Francisco, 41 minutes ago
The scale and pace of change now taking place in West Antarctica is captured in a new, long-term satellite record.
Scientists have combined nearly a quarter of a century of observations to show how the region's great glaciers are losing height by up to 7m per year. ...


Methane surge needs 'urgent attention'
By Jonathan Amos BBC Science Correspondent, San Francisco, 7 hours ago

Article says that in this week's American Geophysical Union (AGU) meeting in San Francisco methane trends will be a major point of discussion. (Umm, and I guess there is much more to discuss at this meeting, related to upcoming climate policy ...)
the delays in the advisory still is terrible at IMD.

India Meteorological Department
Satellite Bulletin Description
14:30 PM IST December 12 2016
===========================

Vortex (VARDAH) over west central Bay of Bengal and adjoining areas has crossed land at 7:30 AM UTC (13:00 PM IST) near Chennai.
1202. Uragani
1203. Uragani
VIIRS of Vardah as it neared landfall.
Good Morning Folks. Interesting to see that the current warnings for Vardah have it noted as a "very severe storm" when it has peak base winds in the 65 knot range. That is equivalent to a Cat 1 for us on the Atlantic side of the pond and does not cause too much havoc per-se because of the advance warnings by NHC (and our media outlets) and our sturdier building codes.

However, I would guess that many of the people in India along this coastline, away from the major cities, probably live in substandard or shabby housing or on coastal villages and are not used to seeing this particular trajectory of a tropical storm too often. As such, a Cat 1 is a major event for them so these warnings, so that they take this situation seriously and as a potential life-threatening even, are warranted.

Kudos to the Indian weather service for taking this threat seriously.





And on the Caribbean side of things, our "no-name" tropical low continues to lash the Central American coast near where Otto came ashore a few weeks ago with a spin-off blob of convection headed towards the Yucatan further to the North:







Lists are being made.
I guess those who I iListed will receive govt positions.

---
The Trump transition team sent an unusually detailed questionnaire to the Energy Department, seeking, among other information, lists of people involved in climate change programs at one of the premier science agencies in the world.

The questionnaire, which was first reported by Bloomberg News and obtained independently by Mashable, asks for "a list of Department employees or contractors" who attended the U.N. climate talks in the past five years.

This raises fears that such employees could be retaliated against in some way, perhaps by being reassigned, despite worker protections they have as civil servants.

- Andrew Freedman, Mashable, Dec 9, 2016
---

Those of you who know who they are, beware. Anticipate.
Nicaragua is currently taking the brunt of the rain in Central America:





Image result for map of central america

Quoting 1206. weathermanwannabe:

Good Morning Folks. Interesting to see that the current warnings for Vardah have it noted as a "very severe storm" when it has peak base winds in the 65 knot range...

India Meteorological Department is describing the storm using 3 minute sustained winds where NOAA uses 1 minute sustained winds.

Quoting 1210. Skyepony:


India Meteorological Department is describing the storm using 3 minute sustained winds where NOAA uses 1 minute sustained winds.
Did not know that; thank you for this information; 
And in terms of Conus here is the current look and look at the highs for the Southern tier; our cold snap in North Florida that started in earnest on Friday lasted all of 48 hours with the quick return of the warmer SW flow from the Gulf which started again yesterday:


Graphic Forecast of Temperatures Across the US from the National Digital Forecast Database



Meet the Arctic’s New Top Predator … Killer Whales

There’s no doubt that melting sea ice in Hudson Bay is threatening endangered polar bears, but it might also be harmful to beluga whales, seals, narwhals and other marine mammals, scientists are warning.

The reason? Melting ice caused by climate change is carving huge swaths of open water for longer periods of time, providing Atlantic killer whales more access to the bay and its rich stocks of prey.


Link
Global warming ain't No Joke
Read the science and don't be a Bloke
Shorter Winters becoming the Norm
One day in the South, We will Feel the Burn;

In December................."drops mike".
1215. elioe
Quoting 1201. HadesGodWyvern:

[...] Vortex (VARDAH) over west central Bay of Bengal and adjoining areas has crossed land at 7:30 AM UTC (13:00 PM IST) near Chennai.


Oh well. Let's see if their drainage system copes better this year than last year.

1216. jimijr
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/cyclone-va rdah-brings-heavy-rain-to-chennai/photostory/55937 843.cms

I lived in Chennai when it was Madras,. 1985. We had a cyclone park itself offshore and dump 36 inches of rain on us in 3 days. The rivers washed hundreds out to sea who lived beneath the bridges.
1217. barbamz
Vardah: heavy stuff! Click the pic.twitter.com links to watch the video snippets



Toppled bus:


More heavy stuff ...

Trump's transition: sceptics guide every agency dealing with climate change
With at least nine senior members of transition team denying basic scientific understanding, president-elect's choices demonstrate pro-fossil fuels agenda
The Guardian, Monday 12 December 2016 11.00 GMT

On climate change, angels and demons are battling over Trump's soul
Trump is filling his administration with fossil fuel industry puppets; only Ivanka has a chance to preserve the climate
The Guardian, Monday 12 December 2016 11.00 GMT

I'm afraid "angel" Ivanka is just for decoration, though
Quoting 1217. barbamz:

Vardah: heavy stuff! Click the pic.twitter.com links to watch the video snippets



Toppled bus:


More heavy stuff ...

Trump's transition: sceptics guide every agency dealing with climate change
With at least nine senior members of transition team denying basic scientific understanding, president-elect’s choices demonstrate pro-fossil fuels agenda
The Guardian, Monday 12 December 2016 11.00 GMT

On climate change, angels and demons are battling over Trump’s soul
Trump is filling his administration with fossil fuel industry puppets; only Ivanka has a chance to preserve the climate
The Guardian, Monday 12 December 2016 11.00 GMT

Definitely not a cat. 1. More like 3.
1219. 882MB
If this pattern was to hold true, will it bring bad weather to the carribean? I mean cut-off low?

1220. bappit
Quoting 1151. BaltimoreBrian:
We are nearer to Spring
Than we were in September
I heard a bird sing
In the dark of December

Oliver Herford (1863-1935)
Imagine a circular elastic band one meter in length. A bug starts crawling on it and travels one centimeter every second. As each second ticks the band stretches in length one additional meter. Does the bug ever travel all the way around the band?
1221. ChiThom
The deep freeze begins now. Every day will be 10 colder until Wednesday, when it goes down to -4 F. overnight. Then down to -8 Thursday night. brrrr. (Chicagoland)
1222. ChiThom
That's -4° and -8° F.


24 Hour snowfall in about 144 hr's in GFS.

Snow cover as far south as Georgia this early?
(Also, let the snow cancel my midterms, please. :) )
1224. bappit
Quoting 1221. ChiThom:
The deep freeze begins now. Every day will be 10° colder until Wednesday, when it goes down to -4° F. overnight. Then down to -8° Thursday night. brrrr.
I experimented with living north of 31 degrees latitude. I lucked into the winter of 1976 when where I was the high some days was below zero and it did not get above freezing for over a month. If I tried doing that now, I think it might kill me.
1225. ChiThom
Hey bappit... well we're at 42° North. When it gets below zero, we don't stay out for long. The cars better start or else...
1226. ChiThom
After below zero temperatures, it will feel warm when it gets up to 20° to 30° F.
1227. ChiThom
Now I have to go to work. ..."Later".
1228. barbamz
Some good news for a change:
Bill Gates leads $1bn green energy fund to fight climate change
Telegraph, 12 December 2016 • 9:20am
Bill Gates, the world's richest man, is leading a $1 billion (£800 million) fund along with Sir Richard Branson, Amazon founder Jeff Bezos and Alibaba's founder Jack Ma to invest in green energy.
The initiative, Breakthrough Energy Ventures, plans to invest the money over 20 years and says it will take a long-term approach to backing cheap and reliable energy sources, in contrast to many prior investments that have expected returns within a few years.
The fund's backers are together worth around £135 billion, giving Breakthrough Energy Ventures one of the richest collection of investors in history. They clubbed together to form a coalition in support of clean energy at last year's Paris climate talks, and the fund's launch on Monday marks the first significant venture from the group. ...
Quoting 1224. bappit:

I experimented with living north of 31 degrees latitude. I lucked into the winter of 1976 when where I was the high some days was below zero and it did not get above freezing for over a month. If I tried doing that now, I think it might kill me.


I had the inverse experience living in Florida. I learned an enormous amount in Masters studies at FSU and also about horticulture in a subtropical location, both invaluable, but heat really saps my initiative and drive and I am much happier living in a place with modest winters and a soul sucking summer that only lasts three months.
Quoting 1189. Grothar:



I remember this on a menu, deep fried chicken, mashed potatoes with gravy, buttered corn and a free side of coronary bypass.


Just remember from middle or high school physical science that the Calorie is a unit if energy (one food calorie is 4218 joules.. food calories are really kilocalories)

Yeah in my case too it's stored.

1231. barbamz
Activists Tell Scientists To Download Climate Change Data Before Trump Deletes It
9:15 AM 12/12/2016
Environmental activists are afraid the Trump administration will alter or delete data sets scientists use to track global warming after the president-elect takes control in January. ...
More see link above.
Quoting 1221. ChiThom:

The deep freeze begins now. Every day will be 10� colder until Wednesday, when it goes down to -4� F. overnight. Then down to -8� Thursday night. brrrr. (Chicagoland)


Looking at teens here in DC metro thursday night. Finally a bug killing freeze and I'll actually have to protect my gardenias.
1233. bappit
I experienced one blizzard up there and that was enough. I took the trash out to a dumpster and prepared by dressing as I did for 0F weather--where I could walk around comfortably for hours and enjoy the experience of crunching ice with my boots. I was shivering by the time I reached the dumpster.

People froze to death in their cars on roads not far away.

You can acclimate to the heat. I went to un-airconditioned schools. I turned out fine! LOL
Quoting 1231. barbamz:

Activists Tell Scientists To Download Climate Change Data Before Trump Deletes It
9:15 AM 12/12/2016
Environmental activists are afraid the Trump administration will alter or delete data sets scientists use to track global warming after the president-elect takes control in January. ...
More see link above.


Read 1984, Again!

Orwell did not forsee massive digitization of everything. It's so much easier now.
1235. elioe
Quoting 1225. ChiThom:

Hey bappit... well we're at 42° North. When it gets below zero, we don't stay out for long. The cars better start or else...


I have never owned a car or driving license. And I'm not planning to get such. My test with harsh nature was 2010-11, when I lived in a somewhat smaller town. It had poor public transportation, and I had a commute of 10 km. Most often I made it by bicycle. During these cycling commutes, I experienced the lowest and highest outdoor temperatures of my life: -34C/-29F and +35C/+95F. Neither was pleasant, but both were easily survivable. The first one with enough clothing. The latter by going into shower clothes on, before beginning the trip.
Quoting 1231. barbamz:

Activists Tell Scientists To Download Climate Change Data Before Trump Deletes It
9:15 AM 12/12/2016
Environmental activists are afraid the Trump administration will alter or delete data sets scientists use to track global warming after the president-elect takes control in January. ...
More see link above.

There's a part of me that really wants to believe that even the Trumpettes couldn't be that stupid. Experience somewhat negates that hopeful belief, though.

I can't imagine what difference that they think it would make.
Quoting 1234. georgevandenberghe:



Read 1984, Again!

Orwell did not forsee massive digitization of everything. It's so much easier now.


Easier...and harder. Unless they classify the GHCN network and ocean temp data, GISTEMP for example, can easily be maintained by any number of private and/or amateur scientists. Might even make the whole thing more robust.
1239. 19N81W
I cant remember the last time my complex got rain in Cayman.....
Quoting 1218. cRRKampen:


Definitely not a cat. 1. More like 3.

Thousands evacuated as fatal cyclone hits India
Quoting 1235. elioe:



I have never owned a car or driving license. And I'm not planning to get such. My test with harsh nature was 2010-11, when I lived in a somewhat smaller town. It had poor public transportation, and I had a commute of 10 km. Most often I made it by bicycle. During these cycling commutes, I experienced the lowest and highest outdoor temperatures of my life: -34C/-29F and +35C/+95F. Neither was pleasant, but both were easily survivable. The first one with enough clothing. The latter by going into shower clothes on, before beginning the trip.

Yeah, being young has real advantages. As does only have to commute only 10km.
1242. barbamz
Rollercoaster climate news today: bad, good, bad, good ... Now again some hopeful news:
Fossil fuel divestment funds double to $5tn in a year
UN secretary general Ban Ki-moon welcomes new total revealing concern over coal, oil and gas investments has entered financial mainstream
The Guardian, Monday 12 December 2016 16.00 GMT
75 degrees here and loving it.
Activists Tell Scientists To Download Climate Change Data Before Trump Deletes It
9:15 AM 12/12/2016

The source for this is the Daily Caller , I just can't bring myself to click on the link.
-35 degrees on Friday morning in western PA.
1246. barbamz
Quoting 1236. Misanthroptimist:


There's a part of me that really wants to believe that even the Trumpettes couldn't be that stupid. Experience somewhat negates that hopeful belief, though.
I can't imagine what difference that they think it would make.

As we are still waiting for a new blog I imagine Doc and Bob already on the move towards Canada, soon knocking on the door of KeeperOfTheGate and asking for asylum, with the WUserver in their backpack ;-)
Quoting 1244. RobertWC:

Activists Tell Scientists To Download Climate Change Data Before Trump Deletes It
9:15 AM 12/12/2016

The source for this is the Daily Caller , I just can't bring myself to click on the link.


movement was started online at Twitter

what's weird is that Twitter was not the same company before the election was over - now that it's over - I wouldn't be surprised if Trump is the guy who "saved" Twitter by making the company more "valuable" than it was (advertising dollars).
Love NW Florida, went out Saturday night and had to wear longjohns, went our last night and had to keep taking off layers until I was in my t-shirt. Hope we get a stretch of the cold stuff before Spring Break comes back 'round.
Family up in WA are getting a nice pre-Christmas snow and it looks like it will be cold enough to stay on the ground for a few days (at least in the shady spots).
Peace
Quoting 1236. Misanthroptimist:


There's a part of me that really wants to believe that even the Trumpettes couldn't be that stupid. Experience somewhat negates that hopeful belief, though.

I can't imagine what difference that they think it would make.


Probably the same mindset as when the NC state legislature codified that you couldn't use models that predicted accelerated sea-level rise...
FEMA's Director Wants Capitalism to Protect Us From Climate Change

EXPOSED
FEMA's Director Wants Capitalism to Protect Us From Climate Change
24DEC 12, 2016 8:00 AM EST
a | A
By
Christopher Flavelle
In January, Federal Emergency Management Agency administrator Craig Fugate gave states a choice for dealing with climate change. Option A: Do nothing about the rising toll of extreme weather, and hope Congress's threats to restrict disaster aid -- by raising the damage threshold required to receive that aid -- never come to pass. Option B was more interesting.

FEMA suggested what it called a disaster deductible: State governments would be on the hook for some of the cost of cleaning up after hurricanes, floods and other calamities. But they could lower that deductible by taking steps to reduce their exposure -- for example, by passing tougher building codes.

States balked. But as climate change puts more property at risk, the pressure to reform federal disaster policy will only increase. Fugate spoke with me last week about social welfare for developers, the futility of regulating where people can build, and why this issue won't go away once Republicans are in charge. Our exchange has been condensed and lightly edited.


Link
Quoting 1250. RobertWC:

FEMA's Director Wants Capitalism to Protect Us From Climate Change

EXPOSED
FEMA's Director Wants Capitalism to Protect Us From Climate Change
24DEC 12, 2016 8:00 AM EST
a | A
By
Christopher Flavelle
In January, Federal Emergency Management Agency administrator Craig Fugate gave states a choice for dealing with climate change. Option A: Do nothing about the rising toll of extreme weather, and hope Congress's threats to restrict disaster aid -- by raising the damage threshold required to receive that aid -- never come to pass. Option B was more interesting.

FEMA suggested what it called a disaster deductible: State governments would be on the hook for some of the cost of cleaning up after hurricanes, floods and other calamities. But they could lower that deductible by taking steps to reduce their exposure -- for example, by passing tougher building codes.

States balked. But as climate change puts more property at risk, the pressure to reform federal disaster policy will only increase. Fugate spoke with me last week about social welfare for developers, the futility of regulating where people can build, and why this issue won't go away once Republicans are in charge. Our exchange has been condensed and lightly edited.


Link


This approach by FEMA definitely has its merits. Why wouldn't Republicans be on board with this? Seems like a way to compromise costs between federal and states.
Why is that so hard to change?

Because we won't call people out and say they're socialists.

Who's socialist?

The builders and developers and all the people running around saying they're capitalists and they're Republicans and they're conservatives, and it's all about individual freedoms and making money and growing the tax base, and all the bullshit they throw at people, convincing them this is an economic boon activity. It's nothing but socialism and social welfare for developers when you subsidize risk below which the public gets a benefit from. They've got to be called out.

Property rights and all of that are such a powerful argument in many parts of the country, I don't want to get into the argument about telling people where they can and can't build. What I want to talk about is, Why are we subsidizing that risk?


Federal Emergency Management Agency administrator Craig Fugate
Quoting 1225. ChiThom:

Hey bappit... well we're at 42° North. When it gets below zero, we don't stay out for long. The cars better start or else...


Flew to PSU from christmas break in Fort Myers FL Jan 1981. About 4F with strong winds. I had disconnected the battery to my car in the airport parking lot. Reconnected, still wouldn't start. Got Frostbite disconnecting it the second time to take into the airport waiting lounge to warm it (and me) up. With a warm battery I was able to start the car but two fingers were very very sensitive to cold for about a year.
Quoting 1234. georgevandenberghe:



Read 1984, Again!

Orwell did not forsee massive digitization of everything. It's so much easier now.



That's the truly terrifying aspect of all this. Modern technology makes it very easy to control the flow of information and conduct witch hunts. The possibilities are haunting.
Quoting 1252. RobertWC:

Why is that so hard to change?

Because we won't call people out and say they're socialists.

Who's socialist?

The builders and developers and all the people running around saying they're capitalists and they're Republicans and they're conservatives, and it's all about individual freedoms and making money and growing the tax base, and all the bullshit they throw at people, convincing them this is an economic boon activity. It's nothing but socialism and social welfare for developers when you subsidize risk below which the public gets a benefit from. They've got to be called out.

Property rights and all of that are such a powerful argument in many parts of the country, I don't want to get into the argument about telling people where they can and can't build. What I want to talk about is, Why are we subsidizing that risk?


Federal Emergency Management Agency administrator Craig Fugate


Insurance and mortgages are not a "right". It burns me too that we subsidise both for coastal development AND pay enormous costs for rebuilding it
over
and
over
and
over!
Quoting 1254. wxgeek723:



That's the truly terrifying aspect of all this. Modern technology makes it very easy to control the flow of information and conduct witch hunts. The possibilities are haunting.


The potential for radically changing history is even more alarming.

JeffMasters has created a new entry.
Quoting 1165. bwi:

Nice interview from Dr. Jennifer Francis for the Yale student paper. For a future Nobel prize winner, she's a good plain language communicator. (I think in 20 years we'll have proof that her ideas linking Arctic amplification -- more warming at the pole than at lower latitudes -- with conniptions in the jet stream and impacts on sensible weather are among the most impactful in scientific history.)

05 DEC 2016: INTERVIEW
An Unusually Warm Arctic Year:
Sign of Future Climate Turmoil?
This year will almost certainly go down as the warmest on record in the Arctic, with autumn temperatures soaring 36 degrees F above normal. In a Yale e360 interview, climatologist Jennifer Francis explains why a swiftly warming Arctic may have profound effects on global weather.
by fen montaigne

Atmospheric scientist Jennifer Francis has for five years propounded a widely discussed theory about the rapidly warming Arctic and global weather: Rising temperatures in the Arctic, closely intertwined with the loss of sea ice, are changing the shape of the jet stream and altering the weather of the Northern Hemisphere.

Some climate scientists and meteorologists have embraced her theory, while others have adopted a wait-and-see attitude.

But this year%u2019s freakishly warm Arctic weather is lending credence to her hypothesis that a lessening of the temperature difference between the Arctic and the mid-latitudes is causing the jet stream to wobble, allowing warm air to flood into the north polar regions and sending frigid air southward into parts of Asia. More profound changes are in store as the Arctic continues to warm, says Francis, a research professor at Rutgers University.

In an interview with Yale Environment 360, Francis discusses the perilous state of Arctic sea ice, explains why large portions of the Arctic have experienced temperatures more typical of New York City, and warns that we ignore the climate upheaval in the Arctic at our own peril. %u201CThe speed of the change is what is very disturbing to me,%u201D says Francis, %u201Cbecause it's such an indicator of what's happening to the planet as a whole.%u201D


My only gripe with this is that what is called "Theory" here is scientifically a "hypothesis".
Quoting 1236. Misanthroptimist:


There's a part of me that really wants to believe that even the Trumpettes couldn't be that stupid. Experience somewhat negates that hopeful belief, though.

I can't imagine what difference that they think it would make.


Politicians, I have discovered, and business leaders as well, engage the 'other' social contract remarkably well.

The 'other' social contract goes "I won't notice your bullshit if you won't notice mine". So everybody pretends to believe in the group BS and they come to inhabit a false reality. And this leads to the habit of believing that whatever one says is true, regardless of the facts.

Apparently this sociologic disorder has metastisized, and believe it or not, this civilization may go down even before ACC can take its full toll.
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