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On Giving Tuesday, Support Increasingly Embattled Climate Scientists

By: Jeff Masters 10:33 PM GMT on November 29, 2016

Climate science and climate scientists in the United States are likely to be under unprecedented assault by powerful politicians in the coming four years. Climate-change-denying politicians are already in high positions in Congress, and soon we will have a president who has publicly denied climate change science. On Giving Tuesday, November 29, I urge you to make a tax-deductible donation to the nonprofit Climate Science Legal Defense Fund (CSLDF) to help protect the crucial research of climate scientists from political interference.

Multiple climate scientists are currently involved in litigation in state and federal courts across the United States. Most noteworthy have been the cases brought by Lamar Smith (R-Texas), head of the House Committee on Science, Space, and Technology, and a major recipient of campaign contributions from the fossil fuel industry. According to Wikipedia, Smith’s House Science committee issued more subpoenas in his first three years than the committee had for its entire 54-year history; many of these subpoenas demanded the records and communications of scientists who published papers that Smith disapproved of. In one of his 2016 subpoenas, Smith called on court decisions defending the work of the House Un-American Activities Committee in the 1950s as valid legal precedent for his investigation—explicitly equating his investigation with the dark McCarthy era in our history when the government trampled on civil liberties.


Figure 1. Dr. Michael Mann addresses an audience at a fund raiser on behalf of the Climate Science Legal Defense Fund (CSLDF) in 2014. Dr. Mann will be featured at a CSLDF legal symposium on open records laws on Wednesday morning, December 14, from 8am - 1pm at the San Francisco Marriott Marquis as part of the American Geophysical Union (AGU) conference. For those not already attending AGU, tickets are available for $25 here.

Trump has little knowledge of climate science, and low regard for climate scientists
President-elect Trump’s remarks on climate change last week to the New York Times demonstrate that the president-elect has little knowledge of climate science, and low regard for climate scientists. Some examples from the interview:

Trump on climate change: “You know the hottest day ever was in 1890-something, 98. You know, you can make lots of cases for different views."

My commentary: Climate change is a matter of scientific fact. Based on the evidence, more than 97% of climate scientists have concluded that human-caused climate change is happening. The hottest day on Earth since records began probably came in 2016--Earth's third consecutive warmest year on record. The year 1898 was one of the coldest years in global recorded history, ranking as the 18th coldest year since 1880. The hottest day globally is a statistic that is not computed by climate scientists, and is largely irrelevant to the discussion of climate, which is measured on timescales of many years.

Trump on wind turbines: "They’re made out of massive amounts of steel, which goes into the atmosphere, whether it’s in our country or not, it goes into the atmosphere."

My commentary: Steel in the atmosphere? That's completely insignificant.

Trump on climate scientists: “They also have those horrible emails that were sent between the scientists…. Terrible. Where they got caught, you know, so you see that and you say, what’s this all about. I absolutely have an open mind.”

My commentary: seven independent inquiries concluded that the hacked climate scientists’ emails that were made public in 2009 showed that the researchers' work was scientifically correct. And as I wrote in our post-election post, Trump’s Proposals: Dangerous to our Climate’s Future, the president-elect has surrounded himself with top officials who are climate change deniers, and these are the people who will be influencing his "open mind." In comments made to the media on Sunday, Trump’s new White House chief of staff, Reince Priebus, confirmed that climate change denial will be the official policy of Trump’s administration.



Enter the Climate Science Legal Defense Fund
The nonprofit Climate Science Legal Defense Fund (CSLDF) was created five years ago to help climate scientists fight back against politically-motivated harassment. CSLDF works to help raise funds for scientists’ legal defenses, serves as a resource in finding pro bono legal representation, and provides support during difficult litigation proceedings as well as when legal action is threatened. I'm proud to say that I'm a founding board member of the charity, which has helped nearly a hundred researchers across the country since 2011. Check out their website at climatesciencedefensefund.org, and please consider making a tax-deductible donation to this worthy cause.

CSLDF at the AGU Meeting in San Francisco, December 12 - 16
The Climate Science Legal Defense Fund will have a booth (booth number 1523) in the exhibit hall in this December's American Geophysical Union meeting in San Francisco, where climate scientists can set up a free one-on-one session with a lawyer; these free sessions can also be set up with an email to lawyer@climatesciencedefensefund.org. CSLDF is also hosting a legal symposium on open records laws on Wednesday morning, December 14, from 8am - 1pm at the San Francisco Marriott Marquis, Salon 2. For those not already attending AGU, tickets are available for $25 here.

Links
See my 2009 blog post, The Manufactured Doubt industry and the hacked email controversy.

My fellow CSLDF board member, Naomi Oreskes, has co-authored the excellent book, Merchants of Doubt, which has also been made into a fascinating documentary (available on Netflix.)


Figure 3. Women walking down the street in Jeremie, southwest Haiti, after the city was devastated by Hurricane Matthew. Foto: Logan Abassi UN/MINUSTAH.

Portlight and Lambi Fund of Haiti disaster relief charities need your help
If your giving instincts favor disaster relief, consider a donation to the Portlight.org disaster relief charity, founded and staffed by members of the wunderground community. Portlight is responding to needs of the disabled in the wake of the $10 billion in damage Hurricane Matthew brought to the Southeast United States, and is also continuing their work in Louisiana, which suffered an even more devastating flooding disaster in August, with damages estimated at $10 - $15 billion. You can check out their progress on the Portlight Blog or donate to Portlight's disaster relief fund at the portlight.org website.

For over ten years, I’ve been a big booster of and donor to the Lambi Fund of Haiti, which is very active in disaster relief and disaster prevention, including promotion of reforestation efforts, use of alternative fuels, and infrastructure improvements at a grass-roots level to help avert future flood disasters. Category 4 Hurricane Matthew devastated Haiti on October 4, killing 546, making it the Atlantic’s deadliest hurricane in 11 years. Damage in Haiti was estimated at $1.9 billion—a staggering 21% of the impoverished nation’s GDP, and by far Haiti’s costliest hurricane on record. Here’s what the Lambi Fund is currently doing for their Hurricane Matthew response:
• Protecting food security by replanting the fields with beans, corn and vegetables so that a consumable harvest occurs in three months.
• Ensuring that women who lost their assets receive funding through micro-credit to reignite their small businesses.

You can make your donation online at http://www.lambifund.org or send your funding support to:

Lambi Fund of Haiti
1050 Connecticut Avenue, Suite 500
Washington DC 20036

Note: My views are my own and not necessarily representative of The Weather Company or IBM. I am a founding board member of the Climate Science Legal Defense Fund.

Jeff Masters

Climate Change Politics

The views of the author are his/her own and do not necessarily represent the position of The Weather Company or its parent, IBM.

Reader Comments

Will one of you good folks please pot a link to a site solid HD radar that has wind velocities and isnt set up for dummies? Im in north central louisiana and need to track these cells, all have that curved look and rotation to them. The nexrads just dont provide enough detail when zoomed in. Yes i searched google i got frustrated. Thanks in advance.
Trump on wind turbines: "They're made out of massive amounts of steel, which goes into the atmosphere, whether it's in our country or not, it goes into the atmosphere."

I think I laughed at this a bit more than I was supposed to.
it seems like we have a tornado outbreak in progress right now and it looks like we may need a high risk upgrade if this keeps going
Thanks for the info, Dr. Jeff. Another donation on the way.
Quoting 3. isothunder67:

Trump on wind turbines: "They're made out of massive amounts of steel, which goes into the atmosphere, whether it's in our country or not, it goes into the atmosphere."

I think I laughed at this a bit more than I was supposed to.


I predict that an orange spray tan manufacturer somewhere out there is going to have to do a recall due to lead contamination found in their product.
Wrote a blog: Gatlinburg Fire Aftermath: What Made It & What Burnt

Text REDCROSS to 90999 for $10 donation to help.
Destruction in the form of clouds. Stay safe out there peoples. Don't do anything that might get you killed. (like going outside or standing by a window.)


"There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always has been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge'".....Isaac Asimov
To this I would add that there is a cult of authoritarianism in the United States, and there always has been. Authoritarians have at the core of their being the need to believe that someone (or something) is in charge. The suggestion that the atmosphere is spinning out of control is therefore anathema to authoritarians, and their response is to treat those who would dare to say such a thing with all the kindness and respect given to a heretic during the Inquisition.
thanks for the evening update doc
rains coming gonna put out the fire
WHITEHOUSE DELIVERS 150TH “TIME TO WAKE UP” CLIMATE SPEECH

In milestone remarks, Senator calls on President-Elect Trump to “drain the swamp” of special interests and heed “reason and expertise” on climate change

Time to Wake Up: Drain the Swamp

Published on Nov 29, 2016

This week, Senator Whitehouse delivered his 150th “Time to Wake Up” speech on the Senate floor. Since the Spring of 2012, he has spoken out every week the Senate is in session about Congress’s urgent duty to push back against the fossil fuel industry, heed the growing scientific consensus, and take action to the reduce carbon pollution that is driving unprecedented changes to our planet’s climate. In today’s speech, he encourages President-elect Trump to listen to the voices of reason and expertise in our military and our scientific agencies, not to the industry lobbyists and front groups working to undermine science and deny the harmful effects of our carbon pollution.

Quoting 6. OKsky:



I predict that an orange spray tan manufacturer somewhere out there is going to have to do a recall due to lead contamination found in their product.


Does anybody knows his position about rounded or flat Earth?
Quoting 15. mavilesilva:



Does anybody knows his position about rounded or flat Earth?
who cares that has nothing to do with climactic shift
Unfortunately, being right breeds laziness.

Just because you are right does not mean you will carry the day. Just because you are right on the issues does not justify acting cynically. Just because you are right on the issues does not guarantee moral or ethical superiority. Humans are flawed in many ways, and all people generally share the common ailments that afflict judgment.

Being right on the issues is not a justification for self righteousness. Instead, it brings responsibility for greater self inspection and careful judgment with respect to our actions. Being correct on the issues is a gift, and it can be lost by carelessness in our day to day lives.

Being correct on the issues is like having a talent, and talent can be wasted.
Climate Science: Investigating Climatic and Environmental Processes
Abrupt Climate Change
We have all experienced dramatic changes of weather, as when a sudden storm blows through the region or a shift in the jet stream sends a cold front our way and temperatures plummet. Extreme weather events can include hurricane, flash floods or blizzards.
Abrupt climate change, on the other hand, has very different causes and effects. While climate is often remarkably steady with expected norms of daily and seasonal fluctuations, paleoclimate research has shown that climate can in fact change very quickly, in a matter of seasons and years rather than centuries or millennia as was previously thought.

One example of abrupt climate change is an event that happened some 11,600 years ago at the termination of the Younger Dryas cold event, which was the last blast of cold climate at the end of the last Ice Age some.
Ice core records from Greenland show in less than a decade there was a sudden warming of around 15 degrees Celsius (27oF) of the annual mean temperature. At the same time a doubling of annual precipitation occurred. Researcher Richard Alley suggests that not only does the climate system have dials that slowly alter climate patterns, there are also switches that can suddenly shift climate in dramatic ways. (Source: Alley, et al. 1993. Graphic above from CLIVAR.)This abrupt event can be found in paleo records from many parts of the world, although not necessarily to such an extreme degree. While the exact causes of abrupt climate changes have yet to be clearly established, one area of research that is receiving a great deal of attention the Thermohaline Circulation system and what role it may play on abrupt climate shifts.
Abrupt changes in climate can occur at many time scales, and while usually they are abrupt warming events, sudden cooling can occur as well. Recent studies such as the National Academy of Science's Abrupt Climate Change: Inevitable Surprises note that it is not a matter if such events will occur in the future but when.
For more on abrupt climate change during the last Ice Age, see Climate History 100,000, and in the Holocene, see Climate Science 10,000. Further back in Earth's history there have also been cataclysmic events that have triggered severe climatic and environmental changes that triggered mass extinctions of species. See Climate Science Beyond for an overview.

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/ctl/abrupt.html
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Please see the Paleoclimatology Contact Page or the NCDC Contact Page if you have questions or comments.
Quoting 15. mavilesilva:



Does anybody knows his position about rounded or flat Earth?


Who knows... perhaps he is a Coriolis effect denier?
Ignorance is a terrible thing to waste.
The Republican Party’s “Church of Carbon”

“Waxman, who retired from office two years ago, realized something important in that moment. For the modern-day Republican Party, protecting fossil fuels wasn’t a pet issue; it was a religion. The Church of Carbon.”

Andy Kroll

Quoting 17. bappit:

Unfortunately, being right breeds laziness.

Just because you are right does not mean you will carry the day. Just because you are right on the issues does not justify acting cynically. Just because you are right on the issues does not guarantee moral or ethical superiority. Humans are flawed in many ways, and all people generally share the common ailments that afflict judgment.

Being right on the issues is not a justification for self righteousness. Instead, it brings responsibility for greater self inspection and careful judgment with respect to our actions. Being correct on the issues is a gift, and it can be lost by carelessness in our day to day lives.

Being correct on the issues is like having a talent, and talent can be wasted.
Of course, all other things being equal, 'tis far better to be right than to be wrong; any sane person would agree with that. After all, being right provides a much more stable base from which to effect necessary change, does it not? And unless one is a lamb being led to an axeman's blood-soaked chopping block, understanding the truth of any given situation is vastly superior to ignorance.

I suppose iit's true as you say that being right in and of itself doesn't imbue one with moral or ethical superiority. But being right is itself a type of superiority--and any superiority is better than none, IMHO.

Where climate change is concerned, I don't think many who've seen their most dire predictions coming true are pounding their chests and shouting, "I told you so!!!" out of a sense of ego or pride. Rather, I think those who have been right all along are simply hoping that those who have been slow to acknowledge the situation will, at last, give them the benefit of the doubt when they announce what's coming next. Superiority in knowledge breeds respect--or, at least, it should.
Personally I would have led with the Humanitarian Relief Giving Tuesday... Just sayin'.
Quoting 15. mavilesilva:



Does anybody knows his position about rounded or flat Earth?
who did he talk to most recently? His position will be the same as theirs.
We are likely to see all the hard yards gained at addressing AGW gutted in the first year of the Trump administration. We are going to see policy that is anti-science that back the biggest pollution for profit corporations in the USA. Science is under attack by powerful forces that KNOW the truth, they just don't think it trumps profit. Quite the opposite. How do we stand up to that? They have the power now like never before, they will legislate climate science out of our government and persecute them that fight. As we've seen. It's time we stand and find a way to make this an argument the American people really get the implications of. Right now, they don't. We have multiple great crisis's on the horizon, our President is flooring the gas, and heading us right for the cliff. What have we done? We get the leaders we deserve I believe. Now it's time to reap that. The truth is losing, for the love of money and gross disregard for our neighbors and Grandchildren is a millstone around our necks.
Increasing Methane Releases in Arctic Proven by International Expeditions

25 Nov 2016

"the expedition [of] the vessel 'Academician M.A. Lavrentiev' was led by Tomsk Polytechnic University's professor Igor Semiletov in autumn 2016. The expedition continued a series of long-standing observations in the East Arctic Seas to investigate processes of subsea permafrost degradation, releases of methane from permafrost and impacts of these processes on global climate change.

"[...] we have proved methane releases are increasing at the shelf. We reached and examined about 20 stations which had been measured earlier and each one showed the releases increasing. To underline that methane mega releases - with the area of over 1 km [sic] - are registered [...] at the East Siberian Shelf," said head of the TPU's Arctic Seas Carbon Study International Laboratory, RAS Associate Member Igor Semiletov"
Trump is the final divide. Fear and ignorance have landed us back in 1916 if not far earlier thinking. Now the unity which has always been our backbone has been turned on itself. We are now against each other and the truth itself. If we make this hard right turn, mark my words, this country will devour itself. We must be very diligent moving forward or we will lose our moral fiber, compassion, standing for truth, and we will find ourselves indeed without a country any of us can recognize.
Being right is insufficient. Some people act as if it is sufficient.
We have, by design, been divided into far left and far right think in America. That divided is at almost 50/50. Hot button, high emotion topics are all that is discussed. The real conversation about our shared unity and common goals are ignored. There is zero common ground for the far left and right to come together over. Let's be clear, it was not the far right that got Trump elected; it was a huge racist ill informed and fearful vote from people who are not even Republicans. I call it the tyranny vote, really it was a huge wave of ignorant white nationalist voters that swayed this election. Met and talked to dozens. Zero sum information voting based on personal prejudice. People as ignorant and crass as Trump. The mask has been removed, we are who the world thought we were. That's dangerous. What's even more dangerous is the White Nationalist Movement. We're about to be shaken, much like Nazi Germany was. Will we band together to do the right or wrong thing?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I did not see a peep about this in the news media or on any of the Wunderground blogs.
“Exercising my ‘reasoned judgment,’ I have no doubt that the right to a climate system capable of sustaining human life is fundamental to a free and ordered society.” –U.S. District Judge Ann Aiken

On November 10, 2016 Judge Ann Aiken issued an opinion and order denying the U.S. government and fossil fuel industry’s motions to dismiss a constitutional climate change lawsuit filed by 21 youth. The decision means that the youth, age 9 to 20 and from all over the U.S., now have standing because their rights are at stake, and now their case is headed to trial.
Quoting 28. KEEPEROFTHEGATE:


Weird feel to the air here tonight...Tornado watch in effect until 12: AM...Weather radio and wind alarm on weather station set...:)
I have to say. This pilot for this new TV series called "President Trump" looks promising. Guaranteed to entertain. All the actors are so hilarious it feels unreal. Will be interesting what season 1 will look like.

All in all I have doubts he was going to build a wall and was just saying that to gain votes. After all where's he or anyone for that matter gonna get the money? He's flip flopping on so many issues it actually gives some ray of hope he may not damage climate change and environmentalist efforts. Stop panicking and let's just get the word out in a calm classy manner.

I'm more scared of the people who actually lead the Republican party, people who take money and blow it on themselves and all parts of big media poisoning everyone with misinformation than I am of someone clowning around. Below caught my eye more than anything.

"Most noteworthy have been the cases brought by Lamar Smith (R-Texas), head of the House Committee on Science, Space, and Technology, and a major recipient of campaign contributions from the fossil fuel industry. According to Wikipedia, Smith’s House Science committee issued more subpoenas in his first three years than the committee had for its entire 54-year history; many of these subpoenas demanded the records and communications of scientists who published papers that Smith disapproved of."

What's even more scary is if the jester gets hanged as in killed or impeached. We'll have Mike Pence as acting president. Think about that for a second.....
Quoting 33. DeepSeaRising:

We have, by design, been divided into far left and far right think in America. That divided is at almost 50/50. Hot button, high emotion topics are all that is discussed. The real conversation about our shared unity and common goals are ignored. There is zero common ground for the far left and right to come together over. Let's be clear, it was not the far right that got Trump elected; it was a huge racist ill informed and fearful vote from people who are not even Republicans. I call it the tyranny vote, really it was a huge wave of ignorant white nationalist voters that swayed this election. Met and talked to dozens. Zero sum information voting based on personal prejudice. People as ignorant and crass as Trump. The mask has been removed, we are who the world thought we were. That's dangerous. What's even more dangerous is the White Nationalist Movement. We're about to be shaken, much like Nazi Germany was. Will we band together to do the right or wrong thing?
Prepare for the worst but hope for the best.
Quoting 33. DeepSeaRising:

We have, by design, been divided into far left and far right think in America. That divided is at almost 50/50. Hot button, high emotion topics are all that is discussed. The real conversation about our shared unity and common goals are ignored. There is zero common ground for the far left and right to come together over. Let's be clear, it was not the far right that got Trump elected; it was a huge racist ill informed and fearful vote from people who are not even Republicans.


I agreed with everything till you got to the "ism" part. Fearful and ill informed I agree but to say a major population of people in this country are hardline racists is irresponsible. Its as irresponsible as someone calling the same group of people "Deplorable" as I'm sure its as responsible to say the "N" word. Its a bad thing to paint people with a broad ugly brush. Please watch Michael Moore and you'll see what I mean.

Overall, its funny isn't it. We are all being manipulated into hating each other based on politics so we can be further "conquered" in the future. Great way to live eh?
I do not think it is useful to turn a weather blog into a political blog. Weather other than in the Bible perhaps does not single out victims and beneficiaries by how they vote.

If you want support for climate science you don't turn off half the people. You also do not look to radical groups to encourage funding.

We never would have had a problem with Global Warming if not for Al Gore.

Now I see more of that nonsense here. It will not work out well.
Quoting 39. SantaFeSteve2:

I do not think it is useful to turn a weather blog into a political blog. Weather other than in the Bible perhaps does not single out victims and beneficiaries by how they vote.

If you want support for climate science you don't turn off half the people. You also do not look to radical groups to encourage funding.

We never would have had a problem with Global Warming if not for Al Gore.

Now I see more of that nonsense here. It will not work out well.
The topic today is global warming. It gets very political.
Spent my whole adult life in warehouses and business management. One staple that rings very true is this for me, the fear of blacks, Mexicans, Muslims, truth, and even women has been a constant in the white male arena. I grew up in the Carolina's and have been in Wisconsin for 20 years now. The level of racism and white nationalist think has been growing and has always existed. It's the same level or very close for the north and south. It's just expressed in very different ways. If you not in the "in crowd", you'll never be privy to it up north. The people who swayed this elections are Evangelicals and single white males without college education who voted through fear and ignorance. Evangelicals voted for very different reasons. I've met hundreds and hundreds of these guys through my years. You meet one, you've met them all. Their world view is just that small and uninformed. Which means the bunch, a huge percentage of uneducated white males also don't believe in AGW. Let's not forget the most under told story of the election. Voting right Supreme Court ruling set us all back a long way. After parts of the Voters Rights Act were struck down, states throughout the country rushed to pass legislation to suppress the vote of minorities and others. Had a huge impact. I'm saying we're not post racial, heck I'm not so sure we're even post Jim Crow. Fear and promise of racial discrimination and big moves against minorities swayed this election. Good day to be a billionaire, bad day for common sense and common good. Climate change hopes have died here for me. No way through the Right power hold. They're going to do horrible things. We can only hope and pray the rest of the world sets the example and picks up our slack. Weird, been running into steel in the air all day! Who knew?
04B, soon to be "Nada" ?

I believe in trump and I believe in global warming . I think trump will probably help scince more than any other president has in a long time . He will make America rich again and in turn America will be able to finace research programs again
Quoting 41. DeepSeaRising:

Spent my whole adult life in warehouses and business management. One staple that rings very true is this for me, the fear of blacks, Mexicans, Muslims, truth, and even women has been a constant in the white male arena. I grew up in the Carolina's and have been in Wisconsin for 20 years now. The level of racism and white nationalist think has been growing and has always existed. It's the same level or very close for the north and south. It's just expressed in very different ways. If you not in the "in crowd", you'll never be privy to it up north. The people who swayed this elections are Evangelicals and single white males without college education who voted through fear and ignorance. Evangelicals voted for very different reasons. I've met hundreds and hundreds of these guys through my years. You meet one, you've met them all. Their world view is just that small and uninformed. Which means the bunch, a huge percentage of uneducated white males also don't believe in AGW. Let's not forget the most under told story of the election. Voting right Supreme Court ruling set us all back a long way. After parts of the Voters Rights Act were struck down, states throughout the country rushed to pass legislation to suppress the vote of minorities and others. Had a huge impact. I'm saying we're not post racial, heck I'm not so sure we're even post Jim Crow. Fear and promise of racial discrimination and big moves against minorities swayed this election. Good day to be a billionaire, bad day for common sense and common good. Climate change hopes have died here for me. No way through the Right power hold. They're going to do horrible things. We can only hope and pray the rest of the world sets the example and picks up our slack. Weird, been running into steel in the air all day! Who knew?


I agree, the modern progressive world is somewhat of a myth. Anti-intellectualism and nativism run rampant in the US; social change was bound to trigger massive backlash eventually. It is a nightmare we all once considered almost inconceivable - it is now our terrifying reality.
Dr. Masters can we please turn our focus back on the weather and off of politics for a little while? I had enough politics during the election; we should take a break for a little while.
Quoting 36. Hurricane4Lex:

I have to say. This pilot for this new TV series called "President Trump" looks promising. Guaranteed to entertain. All the actors are so hilarious it feels unreal. Will be interesting what season 1 will look like.

All in all I have doubts he was going to build a wall and was just saying that to gain votes. After all where's he or anyone for that matter gonna get the money? He's flip flopping on so many issues it actually gives some ray of hope he may not damage climate change and environmentalist efforts. Stop panicking and let's just get the word out in a calm classy manner.

I'm more scared of the people who actually lead the Republican party, people who take money and blow it on themselves and all parts of big media poisoning everyone with misinformation than I am of someone clowning around. Below caught my eye more than anything.

"Most noteworthy have been the cases brought by Lamar Smith (R-Texas), head of the House Committee on Science, Space, and Technology, and a major recipient of campaign contributions from the fossil fuel industry. According to Wikipedia, Smith’s House Science committee issued more subpoenas in his first three years than the committee had for its entire 54-year history; many of these subpoenas demanded the records and communications of scientists who published papers that Smith disapproved of."

What's even more scary is if the jester gets hanged as in killed or impeached. We'll have Mike Pence as acting president. Think about that for a second.....


You like cockateils too? I have 15 of them, lol =)
Quoting 47. Tcwx2:

Dr. Masters can we please turn our focus back on the weather and off of politics for a little while? I had enough politics during the election; we should take a break for a little while.


agreed we have tornado along the gulf cost tonight
Quoting 51. thetwilightzone:



agreed we have tornado along the gulf cost tonight


Hey Taz, nice to see you after a while. Hearing about this tornado outbreak under way . Which states are we looking at for the most risk?
Quoting 52. birdsrock2016:



Hey Taz, nice to see you after a while. Hearing about this tornado outbreak under way . Which states are we looking at for the most risk?



AL MS are at most risk
Quoting 27. DeepSeaRising:

Trump is the final divide. Fear and ignorance have landed us back in 1916 if not far earlier thinking. Now the unity which has always been our backbone has been turned on itself. We are now against each other and the truth itself. If we make this hard right turn, mark my words, this country will devour itself. We must be very diligent moving forward or we will lose our moral fiber, compassion, standing for truth, and we will find ourselves indeed without a country any of us can recognize.
I certainly agree, but perhaps 'take the country back(wards)' has gone much further than to 1916. In the social and geopolitical realms we've been progressively unwinding the lessons of the Iraq Wars, Vietnam, the Civil Rights era, WWII, the Civil War and we're working hard on undoing what was learned in the Crusades.

And on the topic of today's blog, the very fact that an entire discipline of hard science needs legal support against political attacks puts us back sometime before the Enlightenment.
Little brother is currently under a tornado warning in Huntsville, AL. I asked him "how's the weather"?

"Little bit rainy, little bit tornado"

Edit: He is in the interior hallway of his dorm waiting the storm out.
Hillary or Donald. No choice. The American people were treated with stagecraft that was spectacular entertainment but lacked real choice. Our Democracy, our direction, our core beliefs in how we treat those different than us; it's broken. We've lost the soul of America, and unless Donald doesn't do what he promised, the divide will grow ever greater. In schools, in public, in private; people are now openly saying what they've kept in the dark. Hate has been brought into the light. The world holds it's collective breath. Just wait till the changes come; his economic plan alone makes George W's give away to the very top look like child's play. Get ready for your tax cut and be ready to fend for yourselves as social policy is rewritten for the very top. Legislation that supports the most vulnerable among us will be gutted. I will consider it a great victory if we're not in WWIII or martial law but the end of his tenure. As far as AGW goes, shame that those who fight so hard against obvious truth will have their children and future generations endure what's to come. It's a genocide by ignorance to come. The world is on fire and we just elected to throw gas on the fire and then run in the burning house to take a nap. We need a miracle.
Quoting 42. elioe:

04B, soon to be "Nada" ?




It's going to try and get a name.

India Meteorological Department
Tropical Cyclone Advisory #3
DEEP DEPRESSION BOB05-2016
5:30 AM IST November 30 2016
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Pre-Cyclone Watch for northern Tamil Nadu and Puducherry coasts: Yellow Message

At 0:00 AM UTC, The depression over southeast Bay of Bengal moved west northwestwards for the past six hours with a speed about 15 km/h, intensified into deep depression and now lays centered near 7.8N 85.7E, about 830 km southeast of Chennai, 780 km east southeast of Puducherry and 490 km east-southeast of Trincomalee (Sri Lanka).

The system is very likely to continue to move west northwestward and intensify further into a cyclonic storm during next 12 hours. It is very likely to cross north Tamil Nadu coast between Vedaranniyam and Chennai, close to Cuddalore by early hours of December 2nd.

Forecast and Intensity
=================
12 HRS: 9.0N 84.1E - 35 knots (Cyclonic Storm)
24 HRS: 10.1N 82.5E - 40 knots (Cyclonic Storm)
48 HRS: 11.6N 79.3E - 35 knots (Cyclonic Storm)
Always good to see you wade right into the fight, Doc.
Thx.
A legal defense fund to ensure that scientists do not have to endure harassment by the politicians who run this country. Politicians trying to silence scientists! It's insane. The congress have lost their minds. Who needs science? Witchcraft is far superior!
Quoting 60. beell:

Always good to see you wade right into the fight, Doc.
Thx.


A scared man can't win cuz fear a'int ever won a battle. We have been dumbed down to sheep who are so well entertained and misinformed that they just don't care about AGW and the future. Somewhere in Hell the Devil high fived Hitler when the vote came in. We need a new message and a new approach because AGW is NOT a passionate issue for the VAST majority of Americans. It's time to fight but we need a new game plan and a leader who can reach the masses. The truth is not enough, for the truth has been turned backwards in America in so many ways. It's time to try something different in message. AGW Memes that's what we need to deal with people's goldfish memories. Bottom line, people don't care. We need to refine the message, we need a national movement.
The Nebra sky disk of c. 1600 BC; found near Nebra, Germany and made using Cornish tin and gold. Click to expand.

This blog is one of the leading AGW blogs on the web. The interest here is depressingly low, the input outside of the usual suspects is depressingly low. Information is top notch, easy to understand, and filled with intelligent passion. The blog needs more traffic, why in the world do we have so few here talking about this vital issue? Starting by getting lots more into the conversation here would be a great start.
Rain seems to be staying just west of Gatlinburg TN.

Getting diverted back to my first blog entry and Dr. Master's first blog entry is getting annoying.
Quoting 64. DeepSeaRising:

This blog is one of the leading AGW blogs on the web. The interest here is depressingly low, the input outside of the usual suspects is depressingly low. Information is top notch, easy to understand, and filled with intelligent passion. The blog needs more traffic, why in the world do we have so few here talking about this vital issue? Starting by getting lots more into the conversation here would be a great start.



The thing about science is it is right whether or not you believe in it. It's not right wing, or left wing just the good ol' scientific method being used.
Quoting 19. elioe:



Who knows... perhaps he is a Coriolis effect denier?


Oh, he's a Coriolis Effect believer for sure. He's a spinner...all spin all the time.
Quoting 49. birdsrock2016:



You like cockateils too? I have 15 of them, lol =)


I had 4 but sadly I outlived them. ;_; I do have a quaker now though.
Here's a jeditiel. Link

Quoting 57. DeepSeaRising:

Hillary or Donald. No choice. The American people were treated with stagecraft that was spectacular entertainment but lacked real choice.


Agreed. Here's a fitting music vid. Puppets everywhere. Death is our ultimate master.
Link

In other news, OPEC makes its decision today. Hope they run into the ground. As in fail in the long run. Is there any viable option compared to the internal combustion engine yet? Hydrogen is nice but is explosive and hard to come by on the ground. Teslas have limited range.
Quoting 70. Seattleite:
The thing about science is it is right whether or not you believe in it. It's not right wing, or left wing just the good ol' scientific method being used.
That sounds good--and things that sound good will get a lot of plusses--but in truth there is no such thing as the scientific method. There is some discussion about how science in fact does work. Naomi Oreskes gives some background on the issue in her lecture Why We Should Trust Scientists.
I disagree with you bappit. This time. The scientific method is based on testable hypotheses, empirical data and reproducible results. I will have to see Naomi Oreskes's video tomorrow. But I'm sure it's good. I have two of her books.
Quoting 39. SantaFeSteve2:

I do not think it is useful to turn a weather blog into a political blog. Weather other than in the Bible perhaps does not single out victims and beneficiaries by how they vote.

If you want support for climate science you don't turn off half the people. You also do not look to radical groups to encourage funding.

We never would have had a problem with Global Warming if not for Al Gore.

Now I see more of that nonsense here. It will not work out well.


Global warming was predicted back in the 1890's. Svante Arrhenius was the first to model the effects of greenhouse gases in our atmosphere, and projected what would happen if man continued on his path.

So no, we have a problem with Global Warming because a destabilized global climate is a bad thing for humanity. Al Gore has nothing to do with it.
Quoting 43. belizeit:

I believe in trump and I believe in global warming . I think trump will probably help scince more than any other president has in a long time . He will make America rich again and in turn America will be able to finace research programs again


Then you apparently aren't paying attention. Not only did he place a scientifically illiterate oil boy in charge of the EPA, not only has he been staunch denier of climate change (chinese hoax),he also plans to cut all funding of climate research and other programs that doesn't fit his views.
India Meteorological Department
Tropical Cyclone Advisory #4
Gale Warning
CYCLONIC STORM NADA (BOB05-2016)
8:30 AM IST November 30 2016
==================================

Cyclone Alert for northern Tamil Nadu & Puducherry coasts: Orange Message

At 3:00 AM UTC, The deep depression over southeast Bay of Bengal moved northwestwards during past six hours with a speed about 25 km/h, intensified into a cyclonic storm over southwest & adjoining southeast Bay of Bengal and now lays centered near 8.2N 85.3E, about 770 km southeast of Chennai, 730 km east southeast of Puducherry and 450 km east southeast of Trincomalee (Sri Lanka).

The system is very likely to move west northwestward, intensify further and cross northern Tamil Nadu coast between Vedaranniyam and Puducherry, close to Cuddalore by the early hours on December 2nd.

According to satellite imagery, the intensity of the system is T2.5. The system shows curved band pattern. Associated broken low and medium clouds embedded with intense to very intense convection lays over southern Bay of Bengal between 6.4N to 12.0N and 80.0E to 86.0E. The lowest cloud top temperature is about -80C.

3 minute sustained winds near the center is 35 knots with gusts of 45 knots. The state of the sea is high around the center of the system. The estimated central pressure of the cyclonic storm is 1000 hPa.

Forecast and Intensity
=============
9 HRS 9.0N 84.1E - 35 knots (Cyclonic Storm)
21 HRS 10.1N 82.5E - 40 knots (Cyclonic Storm
45 HRS 11.6N 79.3E - 35 knots (Cyclonic Storm)

Additional Information
====================
The sea surface temperature is around 29C near the system center and 28C near northern Tamil Nadu coast, ocean thermal energy is about 80-100 kj/cm2 around system center and decreases towards southwestern Bay of Bengal becoming less than 50 kj/cm2 near northern Tamil Nadu coast. The low level convergence is about 50x10-5 second-1 in southwest sector of the system. The upper level divergence is around 40x10-5 second-1 in southwest sector of the system. The low level relative vorticity is about 150x10-6 second-1 near the system center. The vertical wind shear of horizontal wind is moderate (10-20 knots) around the system center and increases towards southwestern Bay of Bengal near Sri Lanka & northern Tamil Nadu coast. The Madden-Julian Oscillation index lies in phase 3 with amplitude <1. It will continue in phase 3 and then in phase 2 for next 3-4 days. All the above environmental parameters are favorable for further intensification. The upper tropospheric ridge lies along 14.0N and hence the east-southeasterly winds prevail over the region of cyclonic storm in middle & upper tropospheric levels. It would steer the system west-northwestwards.
Quoting 74. bappit:

That sounds good--and things that sound good will get a lot of plusses--but in truth there is no such thing as the scientific method. There is some discussion about how science in fact does work. Naomi Oreskes gives some background on the issue in her lecture Why We Should Trust Scientists.

Yes there is and it is about a thousand years old. Devise from the Ottoman empire, later adopted in Europe (e.g. Galileo).
Whelp! Not surprised that Trump would say those things, but then again he's being saying pretty stupid things anyway...
Quoting 41. DeepSeaRising:

Spent my whole adult life in warehouses and business management. One staple that rings very true is this for me, the fear of blacks, Mexicans, Muslims, truth, and even women has been a constant in the white male arena. I grew up in the Carolina's and have been in Wisconsin for 20 years now. The level of racism and white nationalist think has been growing and has always existed. It's the same level or very close for the north and south. It's just expressed in very different ways. If you not in the "in crowd", you'll never be privy to it up north. The people who swayed this elections are Evangelicals and single white males without college education who voted through fear and ignorance. Evangelicals voted for very different reasons. I've met hundreds and hundreds of these guys through my years. You meet one, you've met them all. Their world view is just that small and uninformed. Which means the bunch, a huge percentage of uneducated white males also don't believe in AGW. Let's not forget the most under told story of the election. Voting right Supreme Court ruling set us all back a long way. After parts of the Voters Rights Act were struck down, states throughout the country rushed to pass legislation to suppress the vote of minorities and others. Had a huge impact. I'm saying we're not post racial, heck I'm not so sure we're even post Jim Crow. Fear and promise of racial discrimination and big moves against minorities swayed this election. Good day to be a billionaire, bad day for common sense and common good. Climate change hopes have died here for me. No way through the Right power hold. They're going to do horrible things. We can only hope and pray the rest of the world sets the example and picks up our slack. Weird, been running into steel in the air all day! Who knew?
im a uneducated white male and i take offense to being told I'm a 2nd class citizen. whats wrong with keeping jobs in our country? take carrier for instance, they earn over $6 a share a year and saving the jobs they want to send to mexico will cost 2 cents a share. seems like a small price to pay to help our country. or voting rights, you need id for everything you do but not to vote, seems like a no brainer to me. what about illegal immigrants? we have to follow the law, why not them? were all from somewhere else and our family followed the rules. whats wrong with spending our tax dollars helping our citizens before we send it all over the world? or taxes, the top 20% pays 80% of all taxes, nothing like penalizing people for hard work. all this seems like common sense to the average working man or woman. if your wondering why trump won these are a few of the reasons why.
Quoting 81. Tampa969mlb:

im a uneducated white male and i take offense to being told I'm a 2nd class citizen. whats wrong with keeping jobs in our country? take carrier for instance, they earn over $6 a share a year and saving the jobs they want to send to mexico will cost 2 cents a share. seems like a small price to pay to help our country. or voting rights, you need id for everything you do but not to vote, seems like a no brainer to me. what about illegal immigrants? we have to follow the law, why not them? were all from somewhere else and our family followed the rules. whats wrong with spending our tax dollars helping our citizens before we send it all over the world? or taxes, the top 20% pays 80% of all taxes, nothing like penalizing people for hard work. all this seems like common sense to the average working man or woman. if your wondering why trump won these are a few of the reasons why.
Some good points.

Ionian Sea (lower left)
Quoting 82. Kenfa03:

Some good points.

Not really. Just didn't look at the who's who of the Trump clan. Corporate tax cuts will cost the voters. Healthcare delivered to the corporate molochs will cost the voters. The group of Goldman-Sachs people in the Trump group will cost the voters. Trump is a very costly affair except for the supercorporations. But this is exactly what the voters wished for. 'Some good points'.
Climate Trumps Everything, No Matter Who Is President

Donald Trump should pursue climate action to achieve his own economic, jobs and competitiveness goals

By Michael E. Mann, Susan Joy Hassol on November 10, 2016

[...]

Finally—and perhaps this is where all Americans can find common ground—the clean energy revolution is well underway. The rest of the world is no longer debating climate change, it is moving on with a rapid transition to carbon-free energy. Do we want to be left behind in the great economic revolution of the 21st century? Or do we want to compete in the clean energy race, improving our international competitiveness and making our nation greater? Do we want to buy solar panels and wind turbines from China, or do we want to manufacture and sell them to China and everywhere else?

If the U.S. is to accomplish what Trump says he wants for our nation—economic growth, job creation, improved infrastructure and international respect—then we need to lead the world in clean energy research, development and deployment. In doing so, we’d also be keeping our air and water clean, making our businesses more efficient, improving our health and protecting our children’s future. Surely, these are values we can all agree on.

Complete blog post >>

Good morning waiting for the line of thunderstorms to come through here in the big easy...Warm and muggy for sure...
Quoting 74. bappit:

That sounds good--and things that sound good will get a lot of plusses--but in truth there is no such thing as the scientific method. There is some discussion about how science in fact does work. Naomi Oreskes gives some background on the issue in her lecture Why We Should Trust Scientists.

Mankind’s Greatest Invention. Do you know what it is??

No, it’s not science…It’s SCIENTIFIC METHOD.
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Quoting 84. cRRKampen:


Not really. Just didn't look at the who's who of the Trump clan. Corporate tax cuts will cost the voters. Healthcare delivered to the corporate molochs will cost the voters. The group of Goldman-Sachs people in the Trump group will cost the voters. Trump is a very costly affair except for the supercorporations. But this is exactly what the voters wished for. 'Some good points'.

Only time will tell how accurate you are. I don't agree with any of it.
Uggggg
http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/watl/wv-l.jpg
What happens if NASA stops climate science research? - Press Play with Madeleine Brand on KCRW

NASA spends almost as much on climate science research each year as it does on space exploration, but under a Trump presidency, that will likely change. According to senior campaign advisor Bob Walker, Trump wants the agency to focus on deep space rather than what Walker called the “politicized science” of climate research. What does it mean for the future of climate science?

Guests:
Michael E. Mann, Scientist at Penn State University (@MichaelEMann)

At the end of the day Trump was elected because people were fed up with the "Establishment", of course they forget that once Trump was elected Trump would have to form a government. Maybe those voters expected people other than politicians to fill all the political jobs ?, or they did not think that far ahead...
Good Morning; here are the storm reports from yesterday and hoping that the welcome rain in the Eastern Tier of the US will squelch the wild fires in Tennessee:


Southern Mississippi Valley sector loop

yesterday Reports Graphic
Quoting 91. MahFL:

At the end of the day Trump was elected because people were fed up with the "Establishment", of course they forget that once Trump was elected Trump would have to form a government. Maybe those voters expected people other than politicians to fill all the political jobs ?, or they did not think that far ahead...


The jury is out, I'm going to wait for 6 months of his administration before I make judgement.
There are three things this election killed!
1. Stopping the globalist billionaires from taking over the world.
2. Stopping Cloward-Piven from destroying our Government as we know it, and building their etopia.
3.. Stopping the Muslim Caliphate from taking over and converting our society to sharia law.
As far as AGW, many were getting rich by getting lucrative Government grants, My opinion is let the market determine it.
Again, AGW seems to be the only drum being beat when other factors effecting our weather is being ignored, i.e. Polarity reversal, and sun storms!
Quoting 89. 19N81W:

Uggggg
http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/watl/wv-l.jpg


You meant to put this image. Are those remnant of Otto to the far left?
On the topic of Dr. Master's Blog, trying to squelch science is essentially equivalent to denying a person the free speech guaranteed to all of us by the Constitution and particularly when the "speech" is actually backed by scientific research. We would expect a fight on this issue from fossil fuel interests seeking to continue to maximize profit as long as they can but when the actual government and political leaders starts taking sides against the majority of the science, it becomes dangerous and we have seen this before; when totalitarian governments, starting in Russian by Stalin, then later Mao in China, start censoring, exiling, or killing off the intelligentsia, professors, and scientists who present an "intelligent argument" threat against them in some form once they attain power.

It's a sad day in America when the issues noted by Dr. Masters are actually happening when we all know that the majority of scientists in the world are actually also great humanists who want to better mankind, or the planet, in some form or fashion; to attack them in this way is unconscionable....................When uninformed or uneducated masses rule in an election process, or support a revolution in the cases of Russia and China as noted by way of example, you can actually end up in scenario much worse than what was promised to you when you jumped on the bandwagon behind the leadership which is more interested in personal power and more wealth most of the time as opposed actually bettering the lives of those who put them in power.

I learned that lesson many decades ago when we had to read Orwell's 1984 and Animal Farm in middle school....................................
Politicians Debating Global Warming.



The image above is of a sculpture by street artist Isaac Cordal
Will also note, weather wise, that Winter has a firm grip in the West but really missing "winter" in the SE and East Coast so far on the eve of December; we are normally used to cold fronts coming through across the SE this time of the year in past decades, but the current rain event across the SE-Gulf tier is actually a warm front of sorts..............That was also on my mind this morning as I had a cup of coffee on the back deck in my shorts and T with a 6:00 am temp  of 71 degrees on November 30th in North Florida.......


Graphic Forecast of Temperatures Across the US from the National Digital Forecast Database

seems as if president elect trump if filling his cabinet with a bunch of mega rich cronies. they are good at business. we will see how they run govt. i hope they dont get side tracked hating on gay folks. the more the hate the more i think they got some serious problems.
Quoting 66. KEEPEROFTHEGATE:



Dericho?
Quoting 100. islander101010:
seems as if president elect trump if filling his cabinet with a bunch of mega rich cronies. they are good at business. we will see how they run govt. i hope they dont get side tracked hating on gay folks. the more the hate the more i think they got some serious problems.

Quoting 101. Chicklit:


Dericho?


It has the right length across several states but only 5 wind reports (a wide spread devastating wind event) in so far over the last 3 hours...........Time will tell as the morning and day time heating progresses I suppose but a good observation: lets see if the "dots" and reports start increasing later today.

last3hours Reports Graphic
Quoting 88. PensacolaDoug:

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Only time will tell how accurate you are. I don't agree with any of it.

Time has told.
I did an observation.
105. raylo
This is an over simplification. Trump is filling his cabinet mostly with people that oppose the core missions and premises of the agencies they are to lead.... Education, HHS, the person leading the EPA transition/selection team, etc. Plus the names floated so far for the Dept. of Energy have to make one laugh. Rick Perry, who famously couldn't even remember that DOE was one of the 3 agencies he wanted to eliminate, and a few mega oil billionaires. What that shows is that Trump doesn't even have a clue what DOE does which is nuclear weapons production and clean up, nuclear energy research, high energy physics research, etc. DOE manages the strategic petroleum reserve, but that's about the only fossil energy function. Under Obama DOE was led by real scientists and physicists. Looks like under Trump it will be back, like under Bush, to political hacks and connected businessmen, that really don't even understand the DOE mission.



"seems as if president elect trump if filling his cabinet with a bunch of mega rich cronies."
DAY 1 CONVECTIVE OUTLOOK
NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
0652 AM CST WED NOV 30 2016

VALID 301300Z - 011200Z

...THERE IS A SLGT RISK OF SVR TSTMS FROM THE SOUTHERN PIEDMONT TO
THE CENTRAL GULF COASTAL REGION...

...THERE IS A MRGL RISK OF SVR TSTMS ELSEWHERE FROM THE EASTERN GULF
COAST TO PARTS OF THE MID ATLANTIC...

...SUMMARY...
BANDS OF STRONG TO SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS SHOULD SHIFT EASTWARD AND
NORTHEASTWARD ACROSS THE OUTLOOK AREA TODAY...OFFERING A RISK OF
DAMAGING GUSTS AND A FEW TORNADOES.

...SYNOPSIS...
AN OCCLUDED...DEEP-TROPOSPHERIC CYCLONE...NOW CENTERED OVER MINNESOTA...
IS FORECAST TO FILL FURTHER AND PIVOT EASTWARD/NORTHEASTWARD OVER
THE UPPER GREAT LAKES THROUGH THE PERIOD. AS THIS OCCURS...A BASAL
SHORTWAVE TROUGH -- NOW EVIDENT IN MOISTURE-CHANNEL IMAGERY FROM
NORTHWESTERN ILLINOIS ACROSS CENTRAL OKLAHOMA TO WEST-CENTRAL TEXAS
-- IS FORECAST TO LOSE BOTH POSITIVE TILT AND AMPLITUDE. BY 00Z THE
SHORTWAVE TROUGH SHOULD BE LOCATED OVER OHIO...WESTERN
KENTUCKY/TENNESSEE AND SOUTHERN ARKANSAS. BY 12Z...IT SHOULD REACH
SOUTHWESTERN QUEBEC AND WESTERN NEW ENGLAND.

THE ASSOCIATED SURFACE COLD FRONT -- ANALYZED INITIALLY FROM A
DIFFUSE OCCLUSION AREA OVER WESTERN KENTUCKY...SOUTHWESTWARD ACROSS
MISSISSIPPI AND SOUTHWESTERN LOUISIANA -- SHOULD CROSS THE
APPALACHIANS TOWARD THE ATLANTIC COAST AND SOUTHEASTWARD OVER THE
GULF AND GULF COAST. BY 12Z...THE FRONT SHOULD BE LOCATED FROM A
NEWLY DEVELOPED TRIPLE-POINT LOW OVER THE ATLANTIC...NEAR THE
MAINE/NEW HAMPSHIRE BORDER...TO THE OUTER BANKS...NORTHERN FLORIDA AND
THE SOUTH-CENTRAL GULF.

...CENTRAL/EASTERN GULF COAST TO MID ATLANTIC...
A COUPLE OF BANDS OF STRONG TO SEVERE CONVECTION INITIALIZE THIS
OUTLOOK IN A FAVORABLE CAPE/SHEAR PARAMETER SPACE FOR SEVERE: ONE
JUST AHEAD OF THE FRONT FOR MOST OF ITS LENGTH...THE OTHER IN THE
WARM SECTOR INITIALLY OVER PORTIONS OF ALABAMA. SEE SPC WATCHES 511
AND 512...AND RELATED MESOSCALE DISCUSSIONS...FOR MORE NEAR-TERM
COVERAGE OF THIS POTENTIAL.

THESE THUNDERSTORM BANDS EVENTUALLY SHOULD MERGE...WHILE STILL POSING
A RISK FOR EMBEDDED SUPERCELLS...SMALL BOWS AND QLCS MESOVORTICES.
SEVERE/DAMAGING GUSTS AND MAINLY SMALL/BRIEF TORNADOES ARE POSSIBLE...
ESPECIALLY OVER THE SLIGHT-RISK AREA WHERE LOW-LEVEL MOISTURE...
BUOYANCY AND LAPSE RATES EACH SHOULD BE RELATIVELY MAXIMIZED THROUGH
MID/LATE AFTERNOON. CONDITIONALLY...THE TORNADO RISK WOULD AMPLIFY
FOR ANY RELATIVELY DISCRETE SUPERCELL THAT DEVELOPS IN THE WARM
SECTOR; HOWEVER...THE PREDOMINANT CONVECTIVE MODE IS EXPECTED TO BE
QUASI-LINEAR.

THROUGH THIS EVENING...CONVECTION SHOULD SHIFT ACROSS THE REST OF THE
SOUTHEAST OUTSIDE THE FLORIDA PENINSULA...AND NORTHWARD ACROSS THE
PIEDMONT AND ATLANTIC COASTAL PLAIN INTO PARTS OF THE MID ATLANTIC.
AT LEAST A PARTIALLY MODIFIED WARM SECTOR WILL ADVECT NORTHWARD AND
NORTHEASTWARD OVER THE CAROLINAS TO MID ATLANTIC REGION TODAY...IN
TANDEM WITH ERRATIC POCKETS OF RELATIVELY MAXIMIZED SURFACE DIABATIC
HEATING. THE NET RESULT SHOULD BE A SPREAD OF HIGHER THETA-E AND
WEAK SURFACE-BASED BUOYANCY OVER THE PIEDMONT AND COASTAL PLAIN
NORTHWARD PAST CHESAPEAKE BAY THROUGH MID/LATE AFTERNOON...WITH ONLY
WEAK...MAINLY WARM-ADVECTION-RELATED DESTABILIZATION FARTHER NORTH.

DEEP-LAYER LAPSE RATES WILL BE LESS IN THE MARGINALLY RECOVERED WARM
SECTOR FARTHER NORTHEAST ACROSS MOST OF THE WESTERN AND CENTRAL
CAROLINAS INTO THE MID ATLANTIC. SOME OF THIS AIR ALOFT IS SAMPLED
BY THE 12Z TLH AND FFC RAOBS...WITH WEAK MIDLEVEL LAPSE RATES AND
SOME STABLE LAYERS ALOFT. REGARDLESS...DAMAGING GUSTS NEAR SEVERE
LIMITS ARE POSSIBLE FROM THE MOST INTENSE EMBEDDED CELLS/SEGMENTS/
BOWS...GIVEN THE STRENGTH OF THE AMBIENT WINDS FIELDS AND STRONG
DEEP-SHEAR VECTORS ALIGNED NEARLY PARALLEL TO THE AXIS OF
CONVECTIVE-SCALE FORCING. DESPITE THE MEAGER INSTABILITY...A BRIEF
QLCS OR BOOKEND-VORTEX TORNADO ALSO CANNOT BE RULED OUT GIVEN THE
STRONG LOW-LEVEL SPEED SHEAR ANTICIPATED...ALONG WITH FAVORABLE
DEEP-LAYER WIND PROFILES.

THE SEVERE-STORM THREAT SHOULD DIMINISH WITH TIME THIS EVENING AS
1. LARGE-SCALE AND FRONTAL LIFT EACH WEAKEN ACROSS THE SOUTHEAST
WITH THE FILLING OF THE MID/UPPER CYCLONE AND DEPARTURE OF THE
EJECTING SHORTWAVE...AND ALSO...
2. BUOYANCY LESSENS AMIDST WEAKENING DEEP-LAYER LAPSE RATES.

..EDWARDS/MOSIER.. 11/30/2016
GRAPHICS HEAVY CONTENT - Hurricane Season Animation derived from GOES East Imagery




NO GRAPHICS - RAW GOES East Satellite Imagery

What in the world is going on with the WU blogs? It takes several tries to get the real, current selection of news stories to load, and I just clicked on the new Cat 6 link with the current title about Giving Day and landed on a 2005 blog about a 360 degree rainbow! WTH? Is there a better way to complain about this or report these issues (than here)? Thanks everybody.
Think about this today.

Everything we have gained in the last 4 generations could all be lost by April.

Sobering?

No, down right unimaginable.

We collectively have gone over a precipice with no recourse save for the crash.


The warming continues...

un-abated.



Quoting 99. weathermanwannabe:

Will also note, weather wise, that Winter has a firm grip in the West but really missing "winter" in the SE and East Coast so far on the eve of December; we are normally used to cold fronts coming through across the SE this time of the year in past decades, but the current rain event across the SE-Gulf tier is actually a warm front of sorts..............That was also on my mind this morning as I had a cup of coffee on the back deck in my shorts and T with a 6:00 am temp  of 71 degrees on November 30th in North Florida.......


Graphic Forecast of Temperatures Across the US from the National Digital Forecast Database




I know it's a rarity in these parts, but what I wouldn't GIVE for some measurable snow in the Charleston area this winter!! It has happened before; mind you , you have to go back to 12/24/89 to find that 8" record snowfall. I'd be happy with 3 or 4". We just need a monster low off the Gulf, and cold air already in place.
Quoting 94. trunkmonkey:



The jury is out, I'm going to wait for 6 months of his administration before I make judgement.
There are three things this election killed!
1. Stopping the globalist billionaires from taking over the world.
2. Stopping Cloward-Piven from destroying our Government as we know it, and building their etopia.
3.. Stopping the Muslim Caliphate from taking over and converting our society to sharia law.
As far as AGW, many were getting rich by getting lucrative Government grants, My opinion is let the market determine it.
Again, AGW seems to be the only drum being beat when other factors effecting our weather is being ignored, i.e. Polarity reversal, and sun storms!


I'll ignore the silly conspiracy and get at the point that is on topic. NO ONE IS GETTING RICH FROM RESEARCH GRANTS! Median salary for an atmospheric scientist is 89,000, the range from 49,000 - 135,000. For the years of education required and dedication to research/teaching this is next to nothing. Research grants usually go to things like costs associated with the project, paying assistants, usually through stipends which are also, next to nothing. Funding for research is highly competitive and grant proposals must outline how the money will be spent. Getting time on a computer capable of running a simulation, for example, is extremely costly eating up most of those budgets. There is no grant get rich quick scheme no matter how often the know-nothings repeat it.

This kind of crap conspiracy needs to be removed. Go find another blog to have paranoid delusions on.
We, the people..do have a course of action.

the 25th Amendment is clear on this.

How to keep Trump from becoming President? 25th Amendment could declare Republican Mentally unfit
I came here for the DOOM!

It's good to still see it, imaginary though it may be.
. Stopping Cloward-Piven from destroying our Government as we know it, and building their etopia.

What is "etopia"? is that like an online version of Utopia?
kinda like email vs old-fashioned mail?

Naga- don't take the bait....but DO take the decaf. :)

modified- Ethiopia?
Quoting 94. trunkmonkey:

The jury is out, I'm going to wait for 6 months of his administration before I make judgement.
Based on both Trump's tweeted statements (his handlers won't let him talk to the press) and his appointments, the jury is already back in. And where climate change is concerned, we are in deep and serious trouble.
Quoting 94. trunkmonkey:

1. Stopping the globalist billionaires from taking over the world.
Given that the net worth of Trump and the cronies he has chosen has already topped around $35 billion, I think you're a little late here.
Quoting 94. trunkmonkey:

2. Stopping Cloward-Piven from destroying our Government as we know it, and building their etopia.
A paranoid right-wing fantasy, and not germane to the blog topic.
Quoting 94. trunkmonkey:

3.. Stopping the Muslim Caliphate from taking over and converting our society to sharia law.
See #2 above.
Quoting 94. trunkmonkey:

As far as AGW, many were getting rich by getting lucrative Government grants,
Many, eh? Name one. Just one. We'll wait, (While you're at it, check the Forbes lists of the nation's and the world's richest people. There are hundreds there who've made their billions from the extraction, transportation, processing, and selling of fossil fuels, and not a single one who's made their wealth from "lucrative government grants." But look anyway.)
Quoting 94. trunkmonkey:

Again, AGW seems to be the only drum being beat when other factors effecting our weather is being ignored, i.e. Polarity reversal, and sun storms!
Yes. Polarity reversal and sun storms. Also dragons, and unicorns, and evil witches who live high in the sky casting warm spells across the land. Believe me: that 4,000,000 metrics tons of excess heat-trapping CO2 our machinery continues to belch into the atmosphere every hour of every day has absolutely no effect whatsoever despite what tens of thousand of peer-reviewed science papers say. It's polarity reversal and sun storms. You heard it here first...
Big, Bada, Boomers

Quoting 94. trunkmonkey:



The jury is out, I'm going to wait for 6 months of his administration before I make judgement.
There are three things this election killed!
1. Stopping the globalist billionaires from taking over the world.
2. Stopping Cloward-Piven from destroying our Government as we know it, and building their etopia.
3.. Stopping the Muslim Caliphate from taking over and converting our society to sharia law.
As far as AGW, many were getting rich by getting lucrative Government grants, My opinion is let the market determine it.
Again, AGW seems to be the only drum being beat when other factors effecting our weather is being ignored, i.e. Polarity reversal, and sun storms!


How exactly is Trump going to stop the billionaire class from taking over the world? By offering them bigger tax cuts? Are they going to feel so burdened by all the extra money they're going to have with a Trump presidency that they're just going to give it all up?

No one is following the Cloward-Piven model, that's just paranoia speaking. The democrats actively work to get people OFF of welfare and we all know how the republicans feel about it.

The Muslims are not converting our society to sharia law, that's insane. We're actively pushing out Christian biblical law, someone trying to convert our country to sharia law wouldn't stand a chance.

Who's getting rich off lucrative government grants into climate research? Do you even know a single scientists who has studied climate change? When I was working on my graduate degree, we received government grants to study green infrastructure, there wasn't even enough to fund our research. We had to reuse old outdated equipment just to be able to collect our data. If you think scientists are getting rich off grants, you don't have any understanding on how grant research works. The only scientists getting rich off climate change research are the ones getting paid hundreds of thousands of dollars by oil and gas companies to write papers refuting climate change.

No one is ignoring solar activity, there is an entire division at NASA that monitors and forecasts solar weather. No one is ignoring polarity reversal either, there is plenty of research into that. The thing is, we know these reversals happen all the time, there is nothing we can do about them, and we aren't exactly sure what it would change.

Climate change we do understand, we know it's causes, it's consequences, and we know how to stop it (at least from an anthropogenic stand point). That's why we spend most of our time discussing it.
Quoting 113. NutZilla:

I came here for the DOOM!

It's good to still see it, imaginary though it may be.


Sup....,CycloneBOz?

: P
Quoting 110. nash36:



I know it's a rarity in these parts, but what I wouldn't GIVE for some measurable snow in the Charleston area this winter!! It has happened before; mind you , you have to go back to 12/24/89 to find that 8" record snowfall. I'd be happy with 3 or 4". We just need a monster low off the Gulf, and cold air already in place.


Nothing out of the ordinary here in South Mississippi. Considering its still November, temps in the upper 70's are a common and yearly occurrence. We are in the midst of a pretty bad drought, but it happens every 10-20 years.
Quoting 112. Patrap:

We, the people..do have a course of action.

the 25th Amendment is clear on this.

How to keep Trump from becoming President? 25th Amendment could declare Republican Mentally unfit


We don't really have the power, it appears the VP, cabinet, and congress have the power.

That would never happen unless he did something truly crazy, like tried to nuke Russia or something of that nature.
The problem with some of these discussions, is that too many people are only arguing their own side without listening to someone else's opinion. When the head of TWC says that any meteorologist that disagrees with "97%" of the worlds scientists he should have his license taken away and not be allowed to work in his field of study, that just shows you that they only want their side heard. Science by its very nature is never settled. While we certainly seem to have "global warming", when scientists only use data that supports their parochial opinions, it's hard for the other side to believe their premise. When Jeff Masters says 97% of scientists believe humans cause some change in the climate, that is not the same as 97% of scientists believe global warming is exclusively caused by humans.
When you have a president squander $500 million on ideology when the former president said it was too risky. It shows you how far some people will go to support their point. I think a more measured approach is needed and that requires compromise. My 2 cents worth.
122. elioe
Quoting 112. Patrap:

We, the people..do have a course of action.

the 25th Amendment is clear on this.

How to keep Trump from becoming President? 25th Amendment could declare Republican Mentally unfit


If the commentators on this blog are a somewhat representative of general population in USA... I doubt USA will exist by 2020. In this fanatic division, I wouldn't rule out "popular" revolution (consisting of Democrats only), or military coup d'état, and then secession of Republican states... if you think that's a better situation than unabated climate change, please go ahead... fortunately I'm far away :)
Quoting 121. radar4401:

The problem with some of these discussions, is that too many people are only arguing their own side without listening to someone else's opinion. When the head of TWC says that any meteorologist that disagrees with "97%" of the worlds scientists he should have his license taken away and not be allowed to work in his field of study, that just shows you that they only want their side heard. Science by its very nature is never settled. While we certainly seem to have "global warming", when scientists only use data that supports their parochial opinions, it's hard for the other side to believe their premise. When Jeff Masters says 97% of scientists believe humans cause some change in the climate, that is not the same as 97% of scientists believe global warming is exclusively caused by humans.
When you have a president squander $500 million on ideology when the former president said it was too risky. It shows you how far some people will go to support their point. I think a more measured approach is needed and that requires compromise. My 2 cents worth.

2 cents of false balance and trillions of that went into the Keeling Curve.
Gee,..

Finland finally finishes?


That was quite the gish gallop of non sense.


Marines are not ruffled by it..in any way.

Semper Fidelis



: "
Quoting 120. pipelines:



We don't really have the power, it appears the VP, cabinet, and congress have the power.

That would never happen unless he did something truly crazy, like tried to nuke Russia or something of that nature.

What if he started sending Putin expensive bouquets and baskets of bubble bath?
I've gotta pitch in my own 2 cents on this bizarre "scientists are getting rich" argument. I wish people who believe that understood how government grants work. I am a scientist (biology not atmospheric) and I have applied for and received numerous science grants from the National Science Foundation and the Institute for Museum and Library Services, for like a couple million dollars over my career. All that money went to facilities, equipment, and hiring junior staff (often students) to assist on these projects. None of the money went to me, the scientist, in that my salary remained the same regardless of whether I got a grant or not. And my salary was not very large, believe me! :)
Quoting 121. radar4401:

The problem with some of these discussions, is that too many people are only arguing their own side without listening to someone else's opinion. When the head of TWC says that any meteorologist that disagrees with "97%" of the worlds scientists he should have his license taken away and not be allowed to work in his field of study, that just shows you that they only want their side heard. Science by its very nature is never settled. While we certainly seem to have "global warming", when scientists only use data that supports their parochial opinions, it's hard for the other side to believe their premise. When Jeff Masters says 97% of scientists believe humans cause some change in the climate, that is not the same as 97% of scientists believe global warming is exclusively caused by humans.
When you have a president squander $500 million on ideology when the former president said it was too risky. It shows you how far some people will go to support their point. I think a more measured approach is needed and that requires compromise. My 2 cents worth.


Good post. What hardcore "climate change" folks don't see, is that by using bully tactics and marginalizing scientists who question the global warming idea, they are in turn causing people to move away from the idea all together. When you start reaching into the pocketbooks of people who work in the energy fields, to advance an agenda, you are going to have blowback. It has the opposite effect.

I know I know...... liberals don't seem (or care) to understand this, but it hit them square in the face on November 8th.
Science, in all forms over the course of history, has been the engine that has driven knowledge, power, and economic growth and the development of most civilizations. To ignore science is a grave mistake.
What deniers dont see is the science.

As the science could care less about any single Humans belief...or any groups belief.Political or other.

It matters not one iota to the reality.

Reality is this..we have had 34 consecutive years in a row of Warm biased Global Avg temps.

The trend is not disturbing..it is a Global Calamiity in motion.

When you distrack from the science with BS, Ideology and discourse....nothing changes,save for the Co2 ppm rise.





I like bubblebath...
Quoting 104. cRRKampen:


Time has told.
I did an observation.

How dare you be empirical! That's so....so...2014. We're in the post-factual era now. Shape-up or ship out!
Quoting 127. SouthMississippi:



Good post. What hardcore "climate change" folks don't see, is that by using bully tactics and marginalizing scientists who question the global warming idea, they are in turn causing people to move away from the idea all together. When you start reaching into the pocketbooks of people who work in the energy fields, to advance an agenda, you are going to have blowback. It has the opposite effect.

I know I know...... liberals don't seem (or care) to understand this, but it hit them square in the face on November 8th.

News flash. Nature couldn't care less about Nov. 8
Butch, you got a new Handle too?



an entire month in our "rainy" season with no rain.......

obviously something is dramatically different in the upper level pattern to induce this
Quoting 129. Patrap:

What deniers dont see is the science.

As the science could care less about any single Humans belief...or any groups belief.Political or other.

It matters not one iota to the reality.

Reality is this..we have had 34 consecutive years in a row of Warm biased Global Avg temps.

The trend is not disturbing..it is a Global Calamiity in motion.

When you distrack from the science with BS, Ideology and discourse....nothing changes,save for the Co2 ppm rise.








Ok fair enough. Did you expect the Global Avg. Temps to remain the same in a 5000 year long warming trend?
Quoting 121. radar4401:


Talk about parochial! If the shoe fits...
Quoting 135. SouthMississippi:



Ok fair enough. Did you expect the Global Avg. Temps to remain the same in a 5000 year long warming trend?



er, just what species was running around digging up and burning sequestered carbon to run a global society then friend?

LOL

Dont try those Heartland memes heres Butch, they really have been worn thin thru the last 11 years.
This turned out really good. Nice graphics and all.

Quoting 107. NutZilla:

GRAPHICS HEAVY CONTENT - Hurricane Season Animation derived from GOES East Imagery




NO GRAPHICS - RAW GOES East Satellite Imagery


Quoting 122. elioe:



If the commentators on this blog are a somewhat representative of general population in USA... I doubt USA will exist by 2020. In this fanatic division, I wouldn't rule out "popular" revolution (consisting of Democrats only), or military coup d'%uFFFDtat, and then secession of Republican states... if you think that's a better situation than unabated climate change, please go ahead... fortunately I'm far away :)


There is a very unsettling hostility
Quoting 127. SouthMississippi:



Good post. What hardcore "climate change" folks don't see, is that by using bully tactics and marginalizing scientists who question the global warming idea, they are in turn causing people to move away from the idea all together. When you start reaching into the pocketbooks of people who work in the energy fields, to advance an agenda, you are going to have blowback. It has the opposite effect.

I know I know...... liberals don't seem (or care) to understand this, but it hit them square in the face on November 8th.


This is pretty straight forward...

Myron Ebell is Director of Global Warming and International Environmental Policy at the Competitive Enterprise Institute (CEI), a libertarian advocacy group based in Washington, D.C. He is also the chairman of the Cooler Heads Coalition, a loose coalition formed in 1997 which presents itself as "focused on dispelling the myths of global warming by exposing flawed economic, scientific, and risk analysis".[2][3] In these organizations, Ebell has been central in promoting climate change denial, distributing his views to the media and politicians.[2] Ebell, who is not a scientist,[7] has been described as a climate change skeptic,[8][9] a climate contrarian[3] and a climate change denier.[4][5][6]
In September 2016, Ebell was appointed by then Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump to lead his transition team for the United States Environmental Protection Agency (EPA).[8]


At a meeting on April 3, 1998, Ebell was one of a dozen public relations experts and think-tank representatives who produced what they called their "Global Climate Science Communications" plan, with the aim of persuading "a majority of the American public" that "significant uncertainties exist in climate science", intending to convince the public and policymakers that the science was faulty and could be ignored. ExxonMobil, the coal utility Southern Company and the American Petroleum Institute were represented at the meeting, and there were proposals for industry funding.[14]
After this meeting, ExxonMobil, even though aware as early as 1981 that fossil fuels affected climate change,[15][16] began funding Frontiers of Freedom, where Ebell was a staff member. In 1999 Ebell transferred to the Competitive Enterprise Institute (CEI), and from 1998 to 2005 ExxonMobil provided CEI with over $2 million of funding.[17] On October 27, 2006, Democratic senator Jay Rockefeller and Republican senator Olympia Snowe sent a joint bipartisan letter to Rex Tillerson, the new CEO of ExxonMobil, about its funding of various groups, stating "We fervently hope that reports that ExxonMobil intends to end its funding of the climate change denial campaign of the Competitive Enterprise Institute are true."[7][18] In 2007, Ebell said funding had no relevance as "We're not beholden to our donors, because we don't say, 'If you give us this money, we'll do this project'," and said "I can't even quite tell you who supports us on global warming". At that time, CEI had funding from the American Petroleum Institute, the Dow Chemical Company, Eli Lilly and Company, and William A. Dunn of Dunn Capital Management.[7] During an August 2015 discussion on C-SPAN, Ebell did not dispute the statement by Jeremy Symons of the Environmental Defense Fund (EDF) that CEI received funds from the Murray Energy Corporation coal mining group. Ebell responded that his group's total budget of about $6 million was far smaller than that of EDF.[3]

Quoting 81. Tampa969mlb:

im a uneducated white male and i take offense to being told I'm a 2nd class citizen. whats wrong with keeping jobs in our country? take carrier for instance, they earn over $6 a share a year and saving the jobs they want to send to mexico will cost 2 cents a share. seems like a small price to pay to help our country. or voting rights, you need id for everything you do but not to vote, seems like a no brainer to me. what about illegal immigrants? we have to follow the law, why not them? were all from somewhere else and our family followed the rules. whats wrong with spending our tax dollars helping our citizens before we send it all over the world? or taxes, the top 20% pays 80% of all taxes, nothing like penalizing people for hard work. all this seems like common sense to the average working man or woman. if your wondering why trump won these are a few of the reasons why.
If you fail to educate yourself on the issues leading to your suffering, you will never find the answers. "The real problem is [too many Americans don't] understand the causes of their own situations and fears, and they have shown no interest in finding out. They don’t want to know why they feel the way they do or why they are struggling because the don’t want to admit it is in large part because of choices they’ve made and horrible things they’ve allowed themselves to believe." Rather they'd blame those who are different from them or some hackneyed conspiracy. [link]

Trump played on this and he played it perfectly. He's an unabated narcissistic [redacted] billionaire who cares about nothing except Trump. He has and will use misogyny, racism, bigotry, and xenophobia to keep those who put him in power assuaged, but he will do little to provide them with a means to improve their situation.
Quoting 121. radar4401:

The problem with some of these discussions, is that too many people are only arguing their own side without listening to someone else's opinion. When the head of TWC says that any meteorologist that disagrees with "97%" of the worlds scientists he should have his license taken away and not be allowed to work in his field of study, that just shows you that they only want their side heard. Science by its very nature is never settled. While we certainly seem to have "global warming", when scientists only use data that supports their parochial opinions, it's hard for the other side to believe their premise. When Jeff Masters says 97% of scientists believe humans cause some change in the climate, that is not the same as 97% of scientists believe global warming is exclusively caused by humans.
When you have a president squander $500 million on ideology when the former president said it was too risky. It shows you how far some people will go to support their point. I think a more measured approach is needed and that requires compromise. My 2 cents worth.


You should quote the blog author accurately:

"My commentary: Climate change is a matter of scientific fact. Based on the evidence, more than 97% of climate scientists have concluded that human-caused climate change is happening."
The lines bark and echo returns are much more bark than bite this am,,as its about 75% thru here now.

Nice soake though.

I can soon re inflate my 9ft tall Xmas Dragon.

It was a gift from a client.

They loves the hydra ya know...



Quoting 112. Patrap:

We, the people..do have a course of action.

the 25th Amendment is clear on this.

How to keep Trump from becoming President? 25th Amendment could declare Republican Mentally unfit


Until he DOES rather than says something truly awful, I don't think they have justification to do it but I have thought the same thing concerning section 4 of the 25'th amendment. I still have a sliver of hope that the electors will do what Hamilton expected of them in Federalist#68 and choose an alternative to Mr Trump. But that's a really low probability hope.

A 25'th amendment "cabinet intervention" after Trump has taken office, is, I think realistic sometime in the first or second year.
Quoting 141. SouthTampa:

If you fail to educate yourself on the issues leading to your suffering, you will never find the answers. "The real problem is [too many Americans don't] understand the causes of their own situations and fears, and they have shown no interest in finding out. They don%u2019t want to know why they feel the way they do or why they are struggling because the don%u2019t want to admit it is in large part because of choices they%u2019ve made and horrible things they%u2019ve allowed themselves to believe." Rather they'd blame those who are different from them or some hackneyed conspiracy. [link]

He has and will use misogyny, racism, bigotry, and xenophobia to keep those who put him in power assuaged, but he will do little to provide them with a means to improve their situation.


rabble, rabble, rabble... We have heard it all. Trump won (and apparently climate change lost) because folks like you continue to pull the race card on hard working Americans. You, people like you, and the media created Trump and propelled him to victory. Congratulations. Keep up the good work.
Quoting 112. Patrap:

We, the people..do have a course of action.

the 25th Amendment is clear on this.

How to keep Trump from becoming President? 25th Amendment could declare Republican Mentally unfit

It's just a dream - check this quote:
There are two options to remove a mentally unfit president. The first option requires a majority of the president's cabinet — positions such as secretary of state and secretary of defense — joining together with the vice president to declare the president is unfit. The second option requires the vice president to convince a majority of the House of Representatives and the Senate to decide the president is unfit. Both chambers of Congress then submit a letter stating such, which removes the president from power.
Quoting 121. radar4401:

While we certainly seem to have "global warming", when scientists only use data that supports their parochial opinions, it's hard for the other side to believe their premise.
There are no two scientific "sides" where AGW is concerned; there's only a massive and growing group that relies on scientific evidence and the scientific process, and a small and shrinking group that dismisses science and the scientific process, clinging instead to wishful thinking, ideology, and political tribalism. (Note: the term "parochial" means "narrow in scope". You should know that there are tens of thousands of published peer-reviewed research papers, written by tens of thousands of scientific experts working in dozens of disciplines over many decades, that present gigantic mountains of evidence to support their overwhelming conclusion that the planet is warming rapidly because of our CO2 emissions. I'd love to have explained to me how that's in any way "narrow in scope".)
as to # 149 Your Honor...

...we rest our case.




GOES-R is now GOES-16!

November 30, 2016

Yesterday, November 29, 2016, NOAA's GOES-R satellite executed its final liquid apogee engine burn without anomaly. This has placed the satellite approximately 22,000 miles away with an inclination of 0.0 degrees, meaning it has reached geostationary orbit. GOES-R is now GOES-16!
This from a blog:

"What, exactly, do you see as events that will positively affect you and your family as a result of Trump's win?
What's going to improve in your life now?"

It's statements like these that truly make me shake my head. Why, WHY do people depend on total strangers, who don't honestly give to tugs about you, to improve their lives???? It's a mystery to me. You want a better life? Great! GO GET IT!! I have never, ever, allowed a President to positively or negatively affect my life. I control the direction of my life.

Quoting 138. Patrap:




er, just what species was running around digging up and burning sequestered carbon to run a global society then friend?

LOL

Dont try those Heartland memes heres Butch, they really have been worn thin thru the last 11 years.

iListed that one, but actually we used to be in an 8,000 years slowly but accelerating declining trend. Which has gone in a flash, literally.
Sadly, the US Armed forces are at the Mercy of Presidents..and Oct 83 proved that in a single moment.

US Marine Bombing, Beirut Oct 1983



Let alone the last 3 decades.


Quoting 131. ACSeattle:


How dare you be empirical! That's so....so...2014. We're in the post-factual era now. Shape-up or ship out!

I'm aware. I might indeed have to go in hiding pretty soon. Or, of course, shape-up to show Dunning & Kruger had it all right the wrong way.
At the end of the day, this was a polarizing election, as as some commentators have noted in recent months, in many ways some of the current fissures across the American political and social fabric represent a form of class welfare in terms of the poorly educated (not their own fault if they grew up in home that did not value education or lived in an area where schools and education was/is not properly funded or sub-standard) vs. the middle or upper class (or elite class for that matter) of the Country. My parents never went to college but instilled in me their "dream" that if I worked hard and educated myself, that I would have a better future than they did; I started working a job at age 16 cooking chicken in a fast food restaurant and have never stopped working since and completed two of my degrees working full time and attending night classes.

Point being, that I can deal with the current issues facing America, and particularly in terms of the poor or poorly educated and their struggles (coming from the same background myself) and perceptions of unfairness in the "system" but what I hope will happen in America over the course of the next several decades is that we beef up our educational standards in the primary schools across the board, and sync jobs and job growth, into fields and products (manufacturing and tech) where someone who does not have the opportunity to go to college might be able to get a vocational or tech degree and get a decent job earning a decent salary.

And good parents really help; in all and complete honesty, I have no problem helping those (and I do) who want to better their lives and come from a less than satisfactory home base, with poor role models or values, but I have no patience for those who do not make an effort to better themselves and merely complain about their station in life but do nothing to actually change it.............................I work a lot with children from disadvantaged homes (from all races and rural and city regions in a large patch of North Florida) in my current line of work and know of what I speak.............If you are not getting good values, or getting "negative" values imparted on you as a child (85% of all human brain development occurs from birth to age 3 and then your brain wiring completes by about age 10-11) in your home environment, we need to make sure that are kids are getting positive values, role modeling, and a good education, at school when they are away from home. That would go a long way toward make America a better Country for all in the future.

Does this subject always induce a "smoothing effect" for some?

Thats was a ol wu code prompt on the early radar

I mean,,..really.

160. OKsky
#155
Bye! and take your moving goalposts and strawman arguments with ya! :D
Quoting 81. Tampa969mlb:

im a uneducated white male and i take offense to being told I'm a 2nd class citizen.


Then why did you vote for someone who fully intends on keeping you second class citizen?

Quoting 81. Tampa969mlb:

whats wrong with keeping jobs in our country? take carrier for instance, they earn over $6 a share a year and saving the jobs they want to send to mexico will cost 2 cents a share. seems like a small price to pay to help our country.


There's nothing wrong with keeping jobs in this country. But there is a smart way to do it, and then there's is a really stupid way to do it that will fail.

This is where that "elitist education" thing really helps in seeing political BS. Trump has no idea what he's talking about, and his so called "plan" isn't going to do anything in regards to jobs. It will, however, put more money in the pockets of the corporate elite.

Quoting 81. Tampa969mlb:
or voting rights, you need id for everything you do but not to vote, seems like a no brainer to me.


Until, of course, you actually look at related legislation to that effect in the states that have tried to enact it and realize the aim is to disenfranchise segments of the population, namely those who aren't white.

Quoting 81. Tampa969mlb:
what about illegal immigrants? we have to follow the law, why not them?


They do. They follow it better than our citizens. Percentage wise, the number of criminals among illegal immigrants is smaller than the number of criminals in the US population.

Illegal immigrants come here for a better life. They wouldn't bother coming here if they couldn't. But as long as people keep employing them, even at crap wages, they're going to come here and work themselves to death to try and make a better life for their families. If the situations were reversed, you'd likely do the same.

Quoting 81. Tampa969mlb:
were all from somewhere else and our family followed the rules. whats wrong with spending our tax dollars helping our citizens before we send it all over the world?


Nothing. But that isn't how we work. How many schools can you build for the price of a single B-2 stealth bomber?

If you want our tax dollars to help us, you have to elect people who will use those tax dollars wisely. But in order to judge who will and who will not use the money wisely requires enough education to understand how the money is and should be allocated across the various agencies of the government. It isn't as simple "CUT MILITARY" or "CUT SOCIAL PROGRAMS" either. Everything decision has a chain of effects that all have to be considered. Five minute sound bites may sound nice, but they are extremely shallow and often full of nonsense.

Quoting 81. Tampa969mlb:
or taxes, the top 20% pays 80% of all taxes, nothing like penalizing people for hard work.


The top 20% pays 80% of the taxes because the top 20% controls almost all the wealth in the country. Where else do you expect to get the money from? o_O

Quoting 81. Tampa969mlb:
all this seems like common sense to the average working man or woman.


That's because you have a very simplistic (and frankly, unrealistic) view. Nothing is simple. Every action has a consequence. Every decision has a cost. Five minute sound bites do not solve complex problems.

Democracies survive by having a well-informed and well-educated populace. If you're casting votes based on incorrect assumptions, gut feelings, and false information then like any other decision in life your going to make bad choices.

Quoting 81. Tampa969mlb:
if your wondering why trump won these are a few of the reasons why.


Those are bad reasons that only demonstrates how easy it is to snowjob the population into making choices against their best interests, and why critical thinking and education are critical to the survival of a democracy.

And before you start a "Hillary rant", this has nothing to do with her. This has everything to do with being well-informed, even if the information you find disagrees with your assumptions and "common sense". The world is not a simple place, no matter what politicians try to convince you of in their campaigns. Republicans and democrats aren't "teams" you root for no matter what. The whole point of voting is to choose, as objectively as possible, who will serve the best interests of the country and it's people. Basing that decision on your "team", or feelings, or incorrect inforamtion/lies/campaign slogans is only going to get you the leaders you want, not the leaders you need. And the leaders you want are very rarely the leaders you need.
Quoting 153. nash36:

This from a blog:

"What, exactly, do you see as events that will positively affect you and your family as a result of Trump's win?
What's going to improve in your life now?"

It's statements like these that truly make me shake my head. Why, WHY do people depend on total strangers, who don't honestly give to tugs about you, to improve their lives???? It's a mystery to me. You want a better life? Great! GO GET IT!! I have never, ever, allowed a President to positively or negatively affect my life. I control the direction of my life.




Good post. The "go get it" mentality has (sadly) died a slow death in our country.

It's really funny that so many people are literally trying to block a democratically elected President from taking office just because they do not agree with him. Like a President Trump is going to somehow tilt the gentle fabric of their loose minds.

How do you think half of the country felt with 8 years of Obama? not great... but it did not affect my life one bit. Concentrate on your job and your family, that's what really matters. If Trump ends up being a misfit, then vote him out in 4 years.

Or, you could waste time trying to change the democratic process that's been in place since our founding.
Quoting 135. SouthMississippi:



Ok fair enough. Did you expect the Global Avg. Temps to remain the same in a 5000 year long warming trend?

If global temperatures had warmed over the past 5000 years at the rate they have warmed in the last 50 years the Earth would be devoid of life.
164. raylo
Exactly, the Fox and Brietbart indoctrinated right have no time to actually understand how govt works. All they have room for in their brains is a a little text box that says they have to be "anti-government" regardless of the issue at hand. I have people like this in my extended family. Climate change? A Chinese and govt. hoax/conspiracy. Problems with Washington's Metro? Might it be the patched together board that tries to satisfy and be funded by 2 states + DC? Might it be because it was built on the cheap without an extra track to use whilst maintaining the other? No, to them all the problems exist to fit the sound bite of "govt. corruption". It gets so tiring.

Quoting 126. ToesInTheWater:

I've gotta pitch in my own 2 cents on this bizarre "scientists are getting rich" argument. I wish people who believe that understood how government grants work. I am a scientist (biology not atmospheric) and I have applied for and received numerous science grants from the National Science Foundation and the Institute for Museum and Library Services, for like a couple million dollars over my career. All that money went to facilities, equipment, and hiring junior staff (often students) to assist on these projects. None of the money went to me, the scientist, in that my salary remained the same regardless of whether I got a grant or not. And my salary was not very large, believe me! :)
Quoting 135. SouthMississippi:



Ok fair enough. Did you expect the Global Avg. Temps to remain the same in a 5000 year long warming trend?


Categorically false. The world has been in a cooling trend since the Holocene Optimum. That is, up until the last century when there has been an extremely sharp rise in temperatures.
@149

I lived in DC when Bill Clinton began his presidency. From the very beginning, there was a big push to discredit Hillary by the opposition because she was such an obvious threat- an educated, intelligent woman who cared about government. Every week there was a new slander against her- they were bizarre, impossible allegations of murder and affairs and whatever, even when she wasn't in town or had nothing to do with the topic. At the time, my friends and I laughed about it, but in retrospect it seems like the beginning of the biggest, longest slander hatchet job ever, and it was immensely successful.

So now, instead of electing a competent president who can focus on an idea for longer than five minutes, we are entering the age of Endarkenment. It was an amazing achievement by the people running disinformation campaigns. I'm sure they'll keep trying it.
Quoting 153. nash36:

This from a blog:

"What, exactly, do you see as events that will positively affect you and your family as a result of Trump's win?
What's going to improve in your life now?"

It's statements like these that truly make me shake my head. Why, WHY do people depend on total strangers, who don't honestly give to tugs about you, to improve their lives???? It's a mystery to me. You want a better life? Great! GO GET IT!! I have never, ever, allowed a President to positively or negatively affect my life. I control the direction of my life.



I'll just tell my autistic son to get up off his dead behind and make something of himself, shall I?
Quoting 167. Misanthroptimist:


I'll just tell my autistic son to get up off his dead behind and make something of himself, shall I?


Way to miss the point all together.
Quoting 142. nrtiwlnvragn:



You should quote the blog author accurately:

"My commentary: Climate change is a matter of scientific fact. Based on the evidence, more than 97% of climate scientists have concluded that human-caused climate change is happening."
Yes but the part they leave out is, ready for it, how much are humans causing with the amount of CO2 they release into the Atmosphere. What we need to do, somethings that will actually help us all, is to find ways to stop water and air pollution, along with the number one cause of human caused climate change, ready for it, Over population, you solve these three problems, and you would go a long ways towards solving the major problems on this planet. CO2 is nothing compared to these three problems, and we can actually do something about them, with out destroying the economy of our and other countries. Why not donate all the money you collect from paid members, like myself, and give it to the oh so poor scientist, who are studying climate change, as I already contribute to a climate change blog/weather blog.
Quoting 168. SouthMississippi:



Way to miss the point all together.

Not at all. I merely put it in some kind of realistic perspective instead of leaving it as the idealistic, Randian/libertarian whining that it was.
Quoting 142. nrtiwlnvragn:



You should quote the blog author accurately:

"My commentary: Climate change is a matter of scientific fact. Based on the evidence, more than 97% of climate scientists have concluded that human-caused climate change is happening."
Yes but the part they leave out is, ready for it, how much are humans causing with the amount of CO2 they release into the Atmosphere. What we need to do, somethings that will actually help us all, is to find ways to stop water and air pollution, along with the number one cause of human caused climate change, ready for it, Over population, you solve these three problems, and you would go a long towards solving the major problems on this planet. CO2 is nothing compared to these three problems, and we can actually do something about them, with out destroying the economy of our and other countries. Why not donate all the money you collect from paid members, like myself, and give it to the oh so poor scientist, who are studying climate change, as I already contribute to a climate change blog/weather blog.
Quoting 153. nash36:

This from a blog:

"What, exactly, do you see as events that will positively affect you and your family as a result of Trump's win?
What's going to improve in your life now?"

It's statements like these that truly make me shake my head. Why, WHY do people depend on total strangers, who don't honestly give to tugs about you, to improve their lives???? It's a mystery to me. You want a better life? Great! GO GET IT!! I have never, ever, allowed a President to positively or negatively affect my life. I control the direction of my life.


Agree 1,000,000%, finally someone with a brain.
An excellent climate change/Trump article by The Guardian's George Monbiot:

Frightened by Donald Trump? You don't know the half of it

"Yes, Donald Trump’s politics are incoherent. But those who surround him know just what they want, and his lack of clarity enhances their power. To understand what is coming, we need to understand who they are. I know all too well, because I have spent the past 15 years fighting them.

"Over this time, I have watched as tobacco, coal, oil, chemicals and biotech companies have poured billions of dollars into an international misinformation machine composed of thinktanks, bloggers and fake citizens’ groups. Its purpose is to portray the interests of billionaires as the interests of the common people, to wage war against trade unions and beat down attempts to regulate business and tax the very rich. Now the people who helped run this machine are shaping the government.

"I first encountered the machine when writing about climate change. The fury and loathing directed at climate scientists and campaigners seemed incomprehensible until I realised they were fake: the hatred had been paid for. The bloggers and institutes whipping up this anger were funded by oil and coal companies."


Full Article
Quoting 169. NativeSun:



Your hand-waving is of no consequence. Even if we cut the population in half (and how to do that is a bit problematic, don't you think?), we would still need to cut and ultimately stop CO2 emissions.
While I generally accept the premise of global warming, I think those who blame every weather or other natural event on it, do themselves a disservice.

Case in point - the Gatlinburg fire. I suspect that decades of fire suppression, combined with a drought, were the primary reasons for this tragic event. Could the drought have been due to global warning/climate change? Perhaps, but that's far from certain. To speak of this as a certainty, when combined with the tendency to do so for every strong tropical storm or other extreme weather event, may have the unintended result of turning folks in the middle, completely off on the topic, which would be a shame.

As an aside - I have no idea why my comment appears to be in bold print. Not my intention.

Quoting 146. SouthMississippi:



rabble, rabble, rabble... We have heard it all. Trump won (and apparently climate change lost) because folks like you continue to pull the race card on hard working Americans. You, people like you, and the media created Trump and propelled him to victory. Congratulations. Keep up the good work.
"Hard working"? I thought they were looking for jobs that were automated a long time ago. If you want to better yourself, then do it. If you want to sit there and blame different people for your repetitive, mindless work that you as a human agent will make errors on that a machine won't, then sit on the corner with your tin cup. To the ignore list with this [redacted].
Quoting 156. Patrap:

Sadly, the US Armed forces are at the Mercy of Presidents..and Oct 83 proved that in a single moment.

US Marine Bombing, Beirut Oct 1983



Let alone the last 3 decades.





Not only the armed forces, but regular American citizens do get impacted by decisions made by a president(s). Bill Clinton and his administration were trying to kill bin Laden in the 90s. 9/11 happened and the subsequent wars that followed as a result of that timeline. There's no doubt that the calculus has changed dramatically with a Trump presidency. Everything from foreign affairs, trade, terrorism, climate change etc. Could be impacted by Trump's "mandate" and decision-making abilities.

Beirut was awful. One of the first case studies I did in college. Brother was in Iraq while I was in college. We're much more vulnerable than people assume to believe.
First above-normal Atlantic hurricane season since 2012 produced five landfalling U.S. storms

Excerpt:

November 30, 2016 As the Atlantic, eastern Pacific and central Pacific 2016 hurricane seasons end today, NOAA scientists said that all three regions saw above-normal seasons.
Quoting 174. Alan8156:

While I generally accept the premise of global warming, I think those who blame every weather or other natural event on it, do themselves a disservice.

Case in point - the Gatlinburg fire. I suspect that decades of fire suppression, combined with a drought, were the primary reasons for this tragic event. Could the drought have been due to global warning/climate change? Perhaps, but that's far from certain. To speak of this as a certainty, when combined with the tendency to do so for every strong tropical storm or other extreme weather event, may have the unintended result of turning folks in the middle, completely off on the topic, which would be a shame.

As an aside - I have no idea why my comment appears to be in bold print. Not my intention.



While I wouldn't disagree with you overall, I believe that the GSMNP, where the Gatlinburg fire began, has not strongly suppressed forest fires for a couple of decades.

"Wildland Fires
Under the fire management plan, lightning-caused fires that do not threaten valuable property or human life are allowed to burn in some areas of the park if conditions are favorable. The purpose of this policy is to restore park ecosystems to a more natural condition which existed prior to European settlement of the region. From 1997 to 2000, approximately 1,000 acres burned under this policy.

To facilitate the management of wildland fires, the park has been divided into three zones.


ZONE 1-includes most of the park boundary and all historic and developed areas in the park (e.g. Cades Cove, Sugarlands, Deep Creek, Oconaluftee, Smokemont, Tremont, Roaring Fork, Cataloochee, etc.). All fires in this zone will be immediately suppressed. If fire is needed in this zone as a resource management tool, prescribed fires will be used.

ZONE 2-serves as a buffer between zones 1 and 3. Certain fires will be allowed to burn if they are not predicted to threaten zone 1 areas within 48 hours.

ZONE 3-contains most of the undeveloped interior of the park. Fires will be allowed to burn if they stay within predetermined parameters and are not predicted to leave the zone within 48 hours."

https://www.nps.gov/grsm/learn/nature/wildlandfir e.htm
180. MahFL
Quoting 94. trunkmonkey:



The jury is out, I'm going to wait for 6 months of his administration before I make judgement.
There are three things this election killed!
1. Stopping the globalist billionaires from taking over the world.
2. Stopping Cloward-Piven from destroying our Government as we know it, and building their etopia.
3.. Stopping the Muslim Caliphate from taking over and converting our society to sharia law.
As far as AGW, many were getting rich by getting lucrative Government grants, My opinion is let the market determine it.
Again, AGW seems to be the only drum being beat when other factors effecting our weather is being ignored, i.e. Polarity reversal, and sun storms!


Er Trump is a billionaire, his pick for education secretary is a billionaire, i'm pretty sure some others are billionaires.
181. MahFL
Is anyone else having 30 second response times fro this website ?
Quoting 181. MahFL:

Is anyone else having 30 second response times fro this website ?

30 second response time? Oooh! Aren't you the proper server's pet.

Which is to say, yes, the board has been slow and weird.
Quoting 181. MahFL:

Is anyone else having 30 second response times fro this website ?


I'll get back to you in 30 seconds
184. MahFL
On a lighter note, I put my roof xmas lights up today. Also a rain shower or two is heading my way :

What a bunch of bull Doc. Really? What Trump has said all along is that we have to put America first. Fact is we worry to much about other issues while jobs are getting stolen right out from under us with poor Trade Deals from our current politicians. Trump doesn't deny Climate Change he just wants to bring jobs back and strengthen our borders. Again another site with an attack on the incoming administration you would think this site is run and funded by CNN. The "Clinton News Network".
Quoting 162. SouthMississippi:



Good post. The "go get it" mentality has (sadly) died a slow death in our country.

It's really funny that so many people are literally trying to block a democratically elected President from taking office just because they do not agree with him. Like a President Trump is going to somehow tilt the gentle fabric of their loose minds.

How do you think half of the country felt with 8 years of Obama? not great... but it did not affect my life one bit. Concentrate on your job and your family, that's what really matters. If Trump ends up being a misfit, then vote him out in 4 years.

Or, you could waste time trying to change the democratic process that's been in place since our founding.


Fact is under Obama this Country has become the Hand me down Country. That is about to change now.
BTW I told everyone on this blog that Trump would win back in June of 2015. I see no one listened.
188. Kumo
Quoting 187. StormTrackerScott:

BTW I told everyone on this blog that Trump would win back in June of 2015. I see no one listened.


I used to wonder why so many people were picking on you, but now I see. This kind of attitude is precisely why you don't win many friends on this blog. BTW, it has nothing to do with your political affiliation.
Quoting 185. StormTrackerScott:

What a bunch of bull Doc. Really? What Trump has said all along is that we have to put America first. Fact is we worry to much about other issues while jobs are getting stolen right out from under us with poor Trade Deals from our current politicians. Trump doesn't deny Climate Change he just wants to bring jobs back and strengthen our borders. Again another site with an attack on the incoming administration you would think this site is run and funded by CNN. The "Clinton News Network".


Yeah, he does deny climate change. Here are some quotes:

"The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive."

"Obama's talking about all of this with the global warming and … a lot of it's a hoax. It's a hoax. I mean, it's a money-making industry, okay? It's a hoax, a lot of it."

"NBC News just called it the great freeze — coldest weather in years. Is our country still spending money on the GLOBAL WARMING HOAX?"

"Snowing in Texas and Louisiana, record setting freezing temperatures throughout the country and beyond. Global warming is an expensive hoax!"

"Give me clean, beautiful and healthy air - not the same old climate change (global warming) bullshit! I am tired of hearing this nonsense."

(climate change( "is done for the benefit of China, because China does not do anything to help climate change."

These are just some, Scott, you are woefully wrong.

I won't get into the other nonsense you have spouted as any little bit of research would show how wrong you are there too. But you were never one to let facts get in the way.

Quoting 153. nash36:

This from a blog:

"What, exactly, do you see as events that will positively affect you and your family as a result of Trump's win?
What's going to improve in your life now?"
.... Why, WHY do people depend on total strangers, who don't honestly give to tugs about you, to improve their lives??? .... I have never, ever, allowed a President to positively or negatively affect my life. I control the direction of my life.


The gap between the question and your answer is not even a small one, Nash. Active life control is one thing, the control of circumstances is another. Politics affect the spaces you have to shape your own life.

Quoting 173. Misanthroptimist:


Your hand-waving is of no consequence. Even if we cut the population in half (and how to do that is a bit problematic, don't you think?), we would still need to cut and ultimately stop CO2 emissions.
The emissions would be significantly lower with less humans living on our Planet. Halving the population is actually not a problem at all, all it would take would be a kinder worldwide approach to euthanasia. I assure you that lots of people would take the option and choose a painless death instead of living a life they don t enjoy anymore.
Quoting 185. StormTrackerScott:

What a bunch of bull Doc. Really? What Trump has said all along is that we have to put America first. Fact is we worry to much about other issues while jobs are getting stolen right out from under us with poor Trade Deals from our current politicians. Trump doesn't deny Climate Change he just wants to bring jobs back and strengthen our borders. Again another site with an attack on the incoming administration you would think this site is run and funded by CNN. The "Clinton News Network".


Put earth first. Not America first.

Jobs are a result of supply and demand and less of actual politician intervention.

This isn't CNN. But we all have an opinion on where our tax payers' dollars "should" go. I tend to vote for things that keep America- and other circles I participate in- out of unnecessary wars (trade or physical).
An extremely inconvenient truth...
Link
Quoting 184. MahFL:

On a lighter note, I put my roof xmas lights up today. Also a rain shower or two is heading my way :



Christmas
Quoting 189. Naga5000:



Yeah, he does deny climate change. Here are some quotes:

"The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive."

"Obama's talking about all of this with the global warming and … a lot of it's a hoax. It's a hoax. I mean, it's a money-making industry, okay? It's a hoax, a lot of it."

"NBC News just called it the great freeze — coldest weather in years. Is our country still spending money on the GLOBAL WARMING HOAX?"

"Snowing in Texas and Louisiana, record setting freezing temperatures throughout the country and beyond. Global warming is an expensive hoax!"

"Give me clean, beautiful and healthy air - not the same old climate change (global warming) bullshit! I am tired of hearing this nonsense."

(climate change( "is done for the benefit of China, because China does not do anything to help climate change."

These are just some, Scott, you are woefully wrong.

I won't get into the other nonsense you have spouted as any little bit of research would show how wrong you are there too. But you were never one to let facts get in the way.




Remember I bet you he would win back in Summer 2015? Trump ran on a message and Hillary had no message and proved that she was a very flawed candidate. The message Trump ran on really stuck with people across the Rust Belt which has seen thousands of jobs go to Mexico or China while no seemed to care so for a change someone actually ran who really cared about the American people. Heck Bernie had a message and could have easily beat Trump but I knew once Hillary got the Dem nod that she was toast as she has too much baggage.

The DNC should have done everything in their power to get Bernie the nod or get Joe Biden to run instead they gambled and went with Hillary and it cost them the presidency, the Senate, and the House.

Quoting 187. StormTrackerScott:

BTW I told everyone on this blog that Trump would win back in June of 2015. I see no one listened.
These people believe that every Clinton scandal up to now is a conspiracy theory by political opponents of secretary Clinton. Most of them probably never heard about Julian Assange and wikileaks, all they were told is that its all fault of evil russians who stole the election in favor of Trump. Let s blame it all on Putin and move on, they don t even know what pizzagate is.
Quoting 193. ItsTheSunStupid:

An extremely inconvenient truth...
Link


You get climate change information from Breitbart, home of the white supremacist "alt-right" and the Daily Mail? Laughable.
Quoting 185. StormTrackerScott:

Trump doesn't deny Climate Change...
Scott, you should at least try to get on the same page as the Denier In Chief:



Climate denial ‘will be Donald Trump’s official policy’

In an interview with Fox News, his soon to be chief of staff, Reince Priebus, seemed to suggest that [Trump's] default position would be to dismiss most climate change theory.

"Asked by anchor Chris Wallace how ‘flexible’ the new president will be on his campaign promises, [Preibus] answered:
As far as this issue on climate change — the only thing he was saying after being asked a few questions about it is, look, he’ll have an open mind about it but [Trump] has his default position, which most of it is a bunch of bunk, but he’ll have an open mind and listen to people. I think that’s what he’s saying.’"

Quoting 182. Misanthroptimist:

30 second response time? Oooh! Aren't you the proper server's pet.
Which is to say, yes, the board has been slow and weird.

Just for admin's comfort: I'm in Africa, and I don't have the slightest issues with blog access (Firefox).
Quoting 195. StormTrackerScott:



Remember I bet you he would win back in Summer 2015? Trump ran on a message and Hillary had no message and proved that she was a very flawed candidate. The message Trump ran on really stuck with people across the Rust Belt which has seen thousands of jobs go to Mexico or China while no seemed to care so for a change someone actually ran who really cared about the American people. Heck Bernie had a message and could have easily beat Trump but I knew once Hillary got the Dem nod that she was toast as she has too much baggage.

The DNC should have done everything in their power to get Bernie the nod or get Joe Biden to run instead they gambled and went with Hillary and it cost them the presidency, the Senate, and the House.


Way to move the goalposts. Trump denies climate change, you lied about it and I provided evidence showing you were wrong. Secondly, I didn't bet anything, you ranted and raved and acted like a crazy person at me.
Quoting 185. StormTrackerScott:


Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses.
I thought the Weather Channel had this site not CNN
Quoting 195. StormTrackerScott:



Remember I bet you he would win back in Summer 2015? Trump ran on a message and Hillary had no message and proved that she was a very flawed candidate. The message Trump ran on really stuck with people across the Rust Belt which has seen thousands of jobs go to Mexico or China while no seemed to care so for a change someone actually ran who really cared about the American people. Heck Bernie had a message and could have easily beat Trump but I knew once Hillary got the Dem nod that she was toast as she has too much baggage.

The DNC should have done everything in their power to get Bernie the nod or get Joe Biden to run instead they gambled and went with Hillary and it cost them the presidency, the Senate, and the House.
Clinton's lead over Trump is around 2.4 million and climbing; that's hardly "toast".

But more to the point, you are wildly digressing from this blog's topic: Trump's profound deficit of scientific knowledge, his utter lack of intellectual curiosity, his steadfast dismissal of climate science, and his proven attraction to profit-uber-alles types. Do you have anything germane to add to that discussion? Or just more off-topic anti-Clinton nonsense?
Quoting 204. Neapolitan:

Clinton's lead over Trump is around 2.4 million and climbing; that's hardly "toast".

But more to the point, you are wildly digressing from this blog's topic: Trump's profound deficit of scientific knowledge, his utter lack of intellectual curiosity, his steadfast dismissal of climate science, and his proven attraction to profit-uber-alles types. Do you have anything germane to add to that discussion? Or just more off-topic anti-Clinton nonsense?


Apart from DNC and Clintons credibility issues, Trump hit on jobs which is by far the greatest factor that influenced people to vote in states that gave him the electoral votes needed. Simple. DNC royally messed up. Too many chefs and too much money in the kitchen.

When you look at the states who had jobs at the top of the list, you'll find people who were ignored by the establishment politics and decided that Trump was their best bet at the idled factory to re-start or to "keep their jobs" - no matter what supply/demand market economics says. In other words, people don't care about what kind of jobs they're doing, they want low-taxes and solid consumerism to enjoy their lives. Is that job coal-mining/fracking/etc. or are we going to lobby for jobs that are good for the future? Politicians can create those incentives, it's that Trump is weak at understanding what goes into finances to make things work.
Quoting 73. Hurricane4Lex:



I had 4 but sadly I outlived them. ;_; I do have a quaker now though.
Here's a jeditiel. Link



Agreed. Here's a fitting music vid. Puppets everywhere. Death is our ultimate master.
Link

In other news, OPEC makes its decision today. Hope they run into the ground. As in fail in the long run. Is there any viable option compared to the internal combustion engine yet? Hydrogen is nice but is explosive and hard to come by on the ground. Teslas have limited range.
Hydrogen isn't a fuel source, it's a storage medium. Hydrogen doesn't come out of the ground, so you have to have something else to make it. As far as explosiveness goes, ever see gasoline go off? It ain't pretty. Electricity is the same way, unless you know how to harvest lightening bolts.
What you are talking about are energy transfer mediums. You have to get the energy from somewhere.
Quoting 205. CraigsIsland:



Apart from DNC and Clintons credibility issues, Trump hit on jobs which is by far the greatest factor that influenced people to vote in states that gave him the electoral votes needed. Simple. DNC royally messed up. Too many chefs and too much money in the kitchen.

When you look at the states who had jobs at the top of the list, you'll find people who were ignored by the establishment politics and decided that Trump was their best bet at the idled factory to re-start or to "keep their jobs" - no matter what supply/demand market economics says. In other words, people don't care about what kind of jobs they're doing, they want low-taxes and solid consumerism to enjoy their lives. Is that job coal-mining/fracking/etc. or are we going to lobby for jobs that are good for the future? Politicians can create those incentives, it's that Trump is weak at understanding what goes into finances to make things work.

Nope, the DNC isn't even to blame here. The arrogance of the Clinton campaign is why she lost by the sounds of it. After the convention, the Clinton camp decided to pull ads from Virginia and Colorado; the DNC warned them this was a bad idea. Virginia ended up being closer than polls indicated, and the selection of Tim Kaine as VP doesn't appear to have had any effect. Throughout September and October, campaign organizers on the ground in Wisconsin and Michigan asked the campaign for additional funding because they were slacking in support--the campaign ignored them. At some point during the campaign, Bill Clinton asked them to set up additional campaign stops throughout the Rust Belt--he was denied. The Clinton campaign focused too much on appealing to moderate Republicans and trying to flip Arizona rather than playing it safe. The fact that Bernie dominated Clinton in Wisconsin and unexpectedly won in Michigan should have been a sign that the populist message resonated there.

At the end of the day, they campaigned like they were winning, which ultimately meant they took states for granted. And they paid for it.
Quoting 116. Patrap:

Big, Bada, Boomers

I thought the same thing when I saw the radar for Alabama earlier:
Bada Boom. Big Bada Boom. (thank you 5th Element)
209. OKsky
Quoting 207. TropicalAnalystwx13:


Nope, the DNC isn't even to blame here. The arrogance of the Clinton campaign is why she lost by the sounds of it. After the convention, the Clinton camp decided to pull ads from Virginia and Colorado; the DNC warned them this was a bad idea. Virginia ended up being closer than polls indicated, and the selection of Tim Kaine as VP doesn't appear to have had any effect. Throughout September and October, campaign organizers on the ground in Wisconsin and Michigan asked the campaign for additional funding because they were slacking in support--the campaign ignored them. At some point during the campaign, Bill Clinton asked them to set up additional campaign stops throughout the Rust Belt--he was denied. The Clinton campaign focused too much on appealing to moderate Republicans and trying to flip Arizona rather than playing it safe. The fact that Bernie dominated Clinton in Wisconsin and unexpectedly won in Michigan should have been a sign that the populist message resonated there.

At the end of the day, they campaigned like they were winning, which ultimately meant they took states for granted. And they paid for it.


sadly, the entire world is going to pay for it.
The post back in Entry # 1 The 360 Rainbow are getting fairly humorous atm.




Quoting 209. OKsky:



sadly, the entire world is going to pay for it.



Quoting 208. SFLstevez1:




: )

213. raylo
Contribution made... thanks Dr. Masters for alerting us. We may not be able match the resources that the Kochs and Exxon/Mobils of the world are deploying for their disinformation campaign, for fake "science", and for bogus legal challenges to real science but I hope it helps.

Quoting 204. Neapolitan:

Clinton's lead over Trump is around 2.4 million and climbing;


oh, but that's merely the 'popular vote'... (!!)

The 'popular vote' is a meaningless term in every other country that holds elections.

Everyone else just calls it 'the vote'.
Confirmed tornado in Atlanta.

http://forecast.weather.gov/showsigwx.php?warnzon e=GAZ033&warncounty=GAC121&firewxzone=GAZ033&local _place1=3 Miles E Vinings GA&product1=Tornado+Warning&lat=33.8558&lon=-84.42 21#.WD8fKeTrtMs
Miss Piggy, Kermit and Gonzo get a new home

Excerpt:

November 30, 2016 NOAA has awarded a 10-year lease to ​the City of Lakeland, Florida, to house the NOAA Aircraft Operations Center at Lakeland Linder Regional Airport. AOC serves as the main base for NOAA’s fleet of nine specialized environmental data-gathering aircraft, including the agency’s three “hurricane hunter” planes.
Quoting 215. barnhardt9999:

Confirmed tornado in Atlanta.

http://forecast.weather.gov/showsigwx.php?warnzon e=GAZ033&warncounty=GAC121&firewxzone=GAZ0 33&local _place1=3 Miles E Vinings GA&product1=Tornado+Warning&lat=33.8558&am p;lon=-84.42 21#.WD8fKeTrtMs



I used to live near a steel mill in Provo Utah. I understood just what Mr. Trump meant. For me the problem with the purloined emails was the condescending attitude, not the science. (1898, WTF?!) I'm keeping an open mind regarding the new administration, perhaps the American people knew what they were doing. Industry is far more nimble than government anyway. They build electric cars and solar panels as fast as they can while Congress dithers, there is our best chance. Prospects locally seem good, we're talking about elevating our roads and ways to conserve the Biscayne aquifer.

Meanwhile I already have promised myself to donate something to the RC for hurricane relief (Matthew) and now we have Gatlinburg. I want to see what they do to NOAA/NWS my old employers, too.
Quoting 212. Patrap:




: )




Leeloo Dallas, multipass. :-)
Quoting 220. jimijr:

I used to live near a steel mill in Provo Utah. I understood just what Mr. Trump meant. For me the problem with the purloined emails was the condescending attitude, not the science. (1898, WTF?!) I'm keeping an open mind regarding the new administration, perhaps the American people knew what they were doing. Industry is far more nimble than government anyway. They build electric cars and solar panels as fast as they can while Congress dithers, there is our best chance. Prospects locally seem good, we're talking about elevating our roads and ways to conserve the Biscayne aquifer.

Meanwhile I already have promised myself to donate something to the RC for hurricane relief (Matthew) and now we have Gatlinburg. I want to see what they do to NOAA/NWS my old employers, too.
I can't see how you can say that they might have known what they were doing since he promised a lot of ridiculous things like Mexican walls and such.
It might work out okay anyway, but only if he is true to form and everything was a lie.
I think what you are going to see is a neophyte and lame duck from the start...and maybe that is a good thing.
Quoting 203. blueyedbiker:

I thought the Weather Channel had this site not CNN



The weatherunderground is owned by IBM!
Quoting 224. trunkmonkey:




The weatherunderground is owned by IBM!


Otherwise knows as Irritable Bowel Movements.

Which is what the moods of people have been showing lately on here.
Here in NW Florida a waterspout came onshore 1/2 mile South of where I work and caused damage to a carport and several trees, luckily it wasn't very strong and fizzled once on shore! Just glad to finally be getting some rain after almost 3 months of no rain.
It's Fried Shrimp Po-Boy Weds here.

Pass da Tabasco!

Quoting 224. trunkmonkey:




The weatherunderground is owned by IBM!
Yeah, it is, and they are having a hard time cleaning up the mess too. My home page was basically down again the whole TG holiday. It's back up now, but there's still a lot to do.
Quoting 207. TropicalAnalystwx13:


Nope, the DNC isn't even to blame here. The arrogance of the Clinton campaign is why she lost by the sounds of it. After the convention, the Clinton camp decided to pull ads from Virginia and Colorado; the DNC warned them this was a bad idea. Virginia ended up being closer than polls indicated, and the selection of Tim Kaine as VP doesn't appear to have had any effect. Throughout September and October, campaign organizers on the ground in Wisconsin and Michigan asked the campaign for additional funding because they were slacking in support--the campaign ignored them. At some point during the campaign, Bill Clinton asked them to set up additional campaign stops throughout the Rust Belt--he was denied. The Clinton campaign focused too much on appealing to moderate Republicans and trying to flip Arizona rather than playing it safe. The fact that Bernie dominated Clinton in Wisconsin and unexpectedly won in Michigan should have been a sign that the populist message resonated there.

At the end of the day, they campaigned like they were winning, which ultimately meant they took states for granted. And they paid for it.
There are a number of reasons Clinton lost the electoral vote (though, it should be noted, she soundly defeated Trump in the popular vote). Feel free to chalk some up to arrogance, sure, but there was also illegal and unprecedented interference from the Director of the FBI, an ongoing nationwide voter suppression effort by the GOP, direct and indirect interference from the Russian government, a media infatuated with Trump the TV reality show start and equally enthralled with making Clinton's emails non-story into a "controversy" for the sake of "balance", an almost complete lack of journalistic integrity where Trump's myriad of proto-scandals are concerned, a male-dominated society not yet ready for a female president, and so on. Yes, the DNC is looking at everything that went wrong, and determining what can be changed for the future, and some of that is doubtless due to a candidate who, while by far the most experienced and well-qualified person to ever run for POTUS, was nevertheless not as popular as a TV show host. But there was definitely *far* more to Trump's weakest-ever "victory" than simply Clinton's "arrogance".
Quoting 220. jimijr:

...perhaps the American people knew what they were doing.
They did, as evidenced by the fact that millions more votes were cast for HRC than for her opponent.
Please eleobrate STS.

Extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence.

This isnt A ENSO/Hell no Nino thang Breaux.

How is JB today?

Quoting 231. Neapolitan:

They did, as evidenced by the fact that millions more votes were cast for HRC than for her opponent.


The Universe,..flipped the script as the Die was cast that He would Lose, and She would win..then the uprising would begin.

The creator, being much of a trickster, She let it play out to today.

Now, watch the wheel roll.


A Autocrat is never a leader, He is a autocrat.

Making Phun of a disabled reporter is not Presidential in any way.

Making rude remarks to the Parents of a Deceased American Patriot, is never Presidential.

Id rather a idealism, "that it is better to burn a flag,and save the constitution, than to burn the constitution, while waving a flag".

The Trump did not even know it is free speech.

Sad. Bad Man.


The quoted werds,

Not my werds but the premise is mine as well.

Quoting 229. Neapolitan:

There are a number of reasons Clinton lost the electoral vote (though, it should be noted, she soundly defeated Trump in the popular vote). Feel free to chalk some up to arrogance, sure, but there was also illegal and unprecedented interference from the Director of the FBI, an ongoing nationwide voter suppression effort by the GOP, direct and indirect interference from the Russian government, a media infatuated with Trump the TV reality show start and equally enthralled with making Clinton's emails non-story into a "controversy" for the sake of "balance", an almost complete lack of journalistic integrity where Trump's myriad of proto-scandals are concerned, a male-dominated society not yet ready for a female president, and so on. Yes, the DNC is looking at everything that went wrong, and determining what can be changed for the future, and some of that is doubtless due to a candidate who, while by far the most experienced and well-qualified person to ever run for POTUS, was nevertheless not as popular as a TV show host. But there was definitely *far* more to Trump's weakest-ever "victory" than simply Clinton's "arrogance".


LOL!. WOW! It is time people stop blaming the FBI or anyone else accusing the Clinton's of wrong doing. At some point she needs to start taking responsibility for her own actions instead of blaming everyone else. Fact is the American People have had enough and they showed it November 8th. The no respect for authority, the absurd number of illegal immigrants pouring into the US right now, and jobs going over seas left and right was enough for many.
-PDO
I voted for Obama the previous 2 elections but Obama's last 3 years of office have been miserable for him and to think of another 4 years of that misery with Clinton as president was it for me. It was time for change!

Quoting 234. StormTrackerScott:



LOL!. WOW! It is time people stop blaming the FBI or anyone else accusing the Clinton's of wrong doing. At some point she needs to start taking responsibility for her own actions instead of blaming everyone else. Fact is the American People have had enough and they showed it November 8th. The no respect for authority, the absurd number of illegal immigrants pouring into the US right now, and jobs going over seas left and right was enough for many.
Severe and irreversible brain washing often comes as a result of watching too much CNN.
Quoting 207. TropicalAnalystwx13:


Nope, the DNC isn't even to blame here. The arrogance of the Clinton campaign is why she lost by the sounds of it. After the convention, the Clinton camp decided to pull ads from Virginia and Colorado; the DNC warned them this was a bad idea. Virginia ended up being closer than polls indicated, and the selection of Tim Kaine as VP doesn't appear to have had any effect. Throughout September and October, campaign organizers on the ground in Wisconsin and Michigan asked the campaign for additional funding because they were slacking in support--the campaign ignored them. At some point during the campaign, Bill Clinton asked them to set up additional campaign stops throughout the Rust Belt--he was denied. The Clinton campaign focused too much on appealing to moderate Republicans and trying to flip Arizona rather than playing it safe. The fact that Bernie dominated Clinton in Wisconsin and unexpectedly won in Michigan should have been a sign that the populist message resonated there.

At the end of the day, they campaigned like they were winning, which ultimately meant they took states for granted. And they paid for it.


"The fact that Bernie dominated Clinton in Wisconsin and unexpectedly won in Michigan should have been a sign that the populist message resonated there."

Right - DNC preferred Hillary over Bernie. Whose fault is that? Had the DNC given it's fair amount of attention to Bernie's campaign - he would've been their nominee.

I don't disagree with the rest of what you wrote.
These violet delights...have violet ends...
The name "Category 6" definitely doesn't fit this blog.

The blog should be called "The Front Line in AGW"
or "Battle Blog - AGW and Trump"

Nothing wrong with having a blog dedicated to educating the public on the issues of AGW. But this blog is no longer a blog where daily weather, weekly forecasts, and just general weather is discussed anymore.

The blog has become a place for a very small group (same people everyday) to do battle against one or two people with differing opinions on politics or AGW.

Warm, humid, and 50 days with no rain here in my area. But I know no one cares because it's weather related.
;)
Quoting 238. CraigsIsland:



"The fact that Bernie dominated Clinton in Wisconsin and unexpectedly won in Michigan should have been a sign that the populist message resonated there."

Right - DNC preferred Hillary over Bernie. Whose fault is that? Had the DNC given it's fair amount of attention to Bernie's campaign - he would've been their nominee.

I don't disagree with the rest of what you wrote.



Agreed. For Nea to say America wasn't ready for a Women president is absurd. People were just tired of the drama surrounding her. If Michele Obama ran she would have won as she would have been a good fit for first woman president but to think the DNC was sold on Hillary was a recipe for disaster and as a result of all this drama with Clinton the dems lost all 3 phases of Government.
Imagine,using logic, that a world exists where Trump lost the EC and had won the Popular Vote by 2,million plus votes.

What do you think would be happening socially and politically..?.



I have time..all day.

Miss Nola Roux had 3 pups yesterday so I'm the dedicated tired doula Dude today.




Booked a flight and the Marriot...for the AUG Conference.

Never been to Frisco.


#Thewifeisboss.
Quoting 185. StormTrackerScott:

What a bunch of bull Doc. Really? What Trump has said all along is that we have to put America first. Fact is we worry to much about other issues while jobs are getting stolen right out from under us with poor Trade Deals from our current politicians. Trump doesn't deny Climate Change he just wants to bring jobs back and strengthen our borders. Again another site with an attack on the incoming administration you would think this site is run and funded by CNN. The "Clinton News Network".


I am fairly certain that no one here wants to see jobs in the U.S. being sent to other countries. How do you prevent this from happening without interfering in the free market process that seems to be the battle cry for anyone that believes businesses should be left to their own devices when it comes to making profits? Any Democrat president that would have tried to force the hands of a business from moving jobs outside our borders would have been called anti free trade and government getting involved where it should not be. Trump says that he just prevented Carrier from moving 2,000 jobs to Mexico. I would like to see the details of these negotiations. What promises did he make to Carrier to keep those jobs here? As an aside, Trump is also a businessman that has products to sell. Almost all of his products are manufactured outside of the U.S.. Will Trump now follow his own advice and bring those jobs to the U.S.? Were I a betting man I would be offering 50 to 1 odds that he will not do so.
Quoting 226. 69Viking:

Here in NW Florida a waterspout came onshore 1/2 mile South of where I work and caused damage to a carport and several trees, luckily it wasn't very strong and fizzled once on shore! Just glad to finally be getting some rain after almost 3 months of no rain.



JeffMasters has created a new entry.
Quoting 243. Patrap:

Imagine,using logic, that a world exists where Trump lost the EC and had won the Popular Vote by 2,million plus votes.

What do you think would be happening socially and politically..?.



I have time..all day.

Miss Nola Roux had 3 pups yesterday so I'm the dedicated tired doula Dude today.





collecting monies for recount lobbying votes in the college doing media warfare
249. raylo
The irony here is that the Koch backed climate denying, anti-EPA, anti-regulation disinformation blitz borrows from the same tactic that the tobacco industry used to quash the science surrounding smoking for several decades. The problem for the tobacco companies was that the science emerged before Fox fake News and the Internet enabled the proliferation of manifold fake news sites and pseudo grass roots disinformation campaigns, else we'd still be puffing away and dying. Who knows, perhaps the tobacco companies will create a whole new body of "science" to show how good smoking is for us and load it up on Fox and Brietbart? Heck, similar efforts sold us Trump so you never know...
Quoting 239. RitaEvac:

These violet delights...have violet ends...


Very true. I remember this graphic from when a was but a pup in the 3rd grade. I am amazed at how soon the lesson in this is so easily forgotten.



Working together can only be accomplished by first meeting in the middle and then deciding the best path to follow that gains the greatest results for ALL concerned.
Quoting 185. StormTrackerScott:

What a bunch of bull Doc. Really?


And you base that off what exactly? Your personal feelings?

Quoting 185. StormTrackerScott:
What Trump has said all along is that we have to put America first.


And so far his statements, appointments, actions, etc. show that he isn't.

Quoting 185. StormTrackerScott:
Fact is we worry to much about other issues while jobs are getting stolen right out from under us with poor Trade Deals from our current politicians.


Jobs aren't being stolen, let alone from "poor trade deals". Companies have been shipping jobs overseas for decades as third world labor markets and regulations are a hell of a lot cheaper and less stringent. With the advances in technology that have taken place, it's no longer cost prohibitive to outsource even high-skilled jobs at cheaper rates.

What magical solution or trade deals did you have in mind that will magically change that?

Quoting 185. StormTrackerScott:
Trump doesn't deny Climate Change...


Yes he does, to the point where is cutting funding from that and any other so-called "politicized science". Multiple tweets, videos, interviews, all show that your statement is categorically false.

Quoting 185. StormTrackerScott:
...he just wants to bring jobs back and strengthen our borders.


And I want to snap my fingers and halt global warming and develop interstellar travel.

There is no magic solution to "bring jobs back", and none of his supposed ideas are even remotely going to do that. Strengthen our borders by building a giant wall? Are you serious? It's almost like he's never learned anything about history.

Quoting 185. StormTrackerScott:
Again another site with an attack on the incoming administration you would think this site is run and funded by CNN. The "Clinton News Network".


This is what I don't get. Every time someone brings up something Trump has said or done, it's an "attack". It's not an attack. These are things he's said. These are things he intends to do, and he's been placing people into positions that will follow through. How else are we supposed to take this? As a joke?
Quoting 245. Some1Has2BtheRookie:



I am fairly certain that no one here wants to see jobs in the U.S. being sent to other countries. How do you prevent this from happening without interfering in the free market process that seems to be the battle cry for anyone that believes businesses should be left to their own devices when it comes to making profits? Any Democrat president that would have tried to force the hands of a business from moving jobs outside our borders would have been called anti free trade and government getting involved where it should not be. Trump says that he just prevented Carrier from moving 2,000 jobs to Mexico. I would like to see the details of these negotiations. What promises did he make to Carrier to keep those jobs here? As an aside, Trump is also a businessman that has products to sell. Almost all of his products are manufactured outside of the U.S.. Will Trump now follow his own advice and bring those jobs to the U.S.? Were I a betting man I would be offering 50 to 1 odds that he will not do so.

Absolutely agree and I additional add: Don't forget that atuomation has resulted in many of the "example" jobs being lost...when I hear Scott or someone else state we have bad Trade deals I say ok...so what exact provision of the offending Treaty is "bad" for the USA. Guess what...huge surprise ..nobody can tell me because 99.9% of the Nation has no clue about what the actual Treaties say or strive to acomplish. Instead they merely have an opinion based on a politician's sound bite or stance...IE. NAFTA is bad, bad, horrible....question..why...answer ..because it is..it gives USA jobs away...question...How...answer...well it just does...everyone knows THAT...or better yet because Trump said so...even better..Nooo...don't listen to experts..men/women who devote their life to studying such things...nope..far better to listen to my garbage man who says NAFTA destroys USA jobs.

My final point: Sute...lets bring manufacturing back to the good old USA...right on...oooh..wait...hmmm shirts made here ( unless made by automated robots) might cost $100 a pop vs $10-20 for made in China. I can see all Trump's supporters lining up to buy expensive made in USA textiles...or T.V.s...phones...computers...tools etc. Or we can exact costly tarrifs on such things...that won't add to the prices..or maybe pay USA workers $5.00 per hour...better yet do like we used to do...use child labor ...start the kiddies off young. Right on ...sure!
Quoting 240. Sfloridacat5:

The name "Category 6" definitely doesn't fit this blog.

The blog should be called "The Front Line in AGW"
or "Battle Blog - AGW and Trump"

Nothing wrong with having a blog dedicated to educating the public on the issues of AGW. But this blog is no longer a blog where daily weather, weekly forecasts, and just general weather is discussed anymore.

The blog has become a place for a very small group (same people everyday) to do battle against one or two people with differing opinions on politics or AGW.

Warm, humid, and 50 days with no rain here in my area. But I know no one cares because it's weather related.
Beats the "South Florida Weather Chat: Whether you like it or not".
Or how about the, "Sports teams you don't care about"
I think it's great, and lifts this lack luster blog to a new level.
Quoting 240. Sfloridacat5:

The name "Category 6" definitely doesn't fit this blog.

The blog should be called "The Front Line in AGW"
or "Battle Blog - AGW and Trump"

Nothing wrong with having a blog dedicated to educating the public on the issues of AGW. But this blog is no longer a blog where daily weather, weekly forecasts, and just general weather is discussed anymore.

The blog has become a place for a very small group (same people everyday) to do battle against one or two people with differing opinions on politics or AGW.
Hmmm. This may come as a shock to some, but 13 of November's 24 blog entries were about tropical weather, and an additional eight were about climate itself and/or general weather. That's 87.5% for those playing at home. And that leaves just three entries out of 24, or a whopping 12.5%, about climate policy--a pretty low number given what's happened in Washington. Hard to make the case, then, that this is "no longer a blog where daily weather, weekly forecasts, and just general weather is discussed anymore." In fact, it's downright ludicrous to make such a statement, don't you think?

I'm always amazed at the number of people who visit the forum to complain about the authors' chosen subject matter. I just don't get it. Do people post comments on, say, Martha Stewart's blog complaining that she spends too much time discussing, oh, Italian desserts, and demanding she writes only about French cuisine?

I don't get it, man. I really don't...
255. vis0
We live on a planet.

Everyone on this planet has the right to work.

If a business thinks it can make more money in country X as opposed to country Y guess what that company moves to country X.

Also the USofA could have been a leader in developing substitutes for steel, coal and thus people in the USofA could have still been working in steel plants retrofitted to deal with nanotechnology technology materials but some greedy egotistical  people that are voted to make decision for ALL those in the USofA decided to best serve themselves and close friends.

What is so weird is there is ONE THING THAT ONLY THE USofA** has THAT CAN GENERATE THE TOP DOLLAR?

Its NATURAL BEAUTY ATTRACTS TOP DOLLAR but it is being destroyed in the name of old greed.

**(Australia and South America also has similar lands but S.America is NOT one country (Brazilian Forest, much of the planets lungs seriously damaged) thus battle from within or without are constant and last year Australia decided to commit its energy to destroying its natural beauty (parliament repelling laws that helped Australia natural resources (sure it costs money but it also would have generated more than it cost by tourists paying top dollar to see/experience "the one that Australia was.")

Same  in the USofA as tourism ion the future as to Billions of Chinese, Koreans Australians , Europeans desire to see what a pristine wilderness looks like will soon see what was happening inn their back yard 80 years ago, happily several European countries have ;learned from the past errors (USofA could have learned from them too) so country's in Europe are rebounding as to natural resources but again in the same area as the USofA in Europe their are several countries so its hard to maintain laws for such diverse social opinions.


Again coal miners and steel workers could RIGHT now be creating nanotechnology skins for cars, buildings, furniture, appliances etc but you followed the greed leaders thinking somehow they'd give you some of the wealth.  Remember your grandparents and parents found their "wealth" bin fighting to get [paid for doing the latest not in pushing greed to its suicidal limit.
 
Now either the USofA continuous to act as part of Earth and maintain a healthy percentage of the generated wealth or go on by itself.  Luckily USofA people can vote every 4 years cause if this style of only care for oneself AT THE COST OF ALIENATING all others would go on for 12 or 16 years USofA would become NOT as isolated as North Korea but isolated in that as we head into more weather extremes when USofA asks for help many might not in thinking why help USofA they care not of us or what if a vaccine main ingredient comes from another country or peoples genes and they say no to helping the USofA remember this is not USofA versus another country its USofA versus the rest of the planet.
 
Reminds me of those stories created to make people think outside of their bigotry as what if the only kidney to save your life so you could live to see your children grow came from a person of a race you never liked or The riddle in the TV show "All In The Family" s03e04 Episode,

A young boy and his father were out playing football when they were caught at the bottom of a giant pileup. Both were injured and rushed to the hospital. They were wheeled into separate operating rooms and two doctors prepped up to work on them, one doctor for each patient. The doctor operating on the father got started right away, but the doctor assigned to the young boy stared at him in surprise. "I cant operate on him!" the doctor exclaimed to the staff. "That child is my son!"

How can that be?

 
Grow up Mr Trump your not playing a TV game show or a sandlot baseball game where its your bat and no game is played if the others don't let you win.  You have hundreds of  thousands of lives (not money) to influence at the moment that will turn into millions, Make the USofA Good again.
Quoting 254. Neapolitan:

...I don't get it, man. I really don't...

I do. I read such messages as to mean there is to be no word at all about climate change. Your stats lend evidence to this again.
Trump is going to rectify this mess...and no legal defense fund is going to help. So go ahead...throw your money away!!!!

I am personally excited that NASA' s climate activities will most likely be defunded. Maybe we can get back to exploring space and not help prop up a lie.

Bert