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Trump’s Proposals: Dangerous to our Climate’s Future

By: Jeff Masters and Bob Henson 4:18 PM GMT on November 15, 2016

The greatest environmental challenge of our lifetimes will play out in a strikingly new and uncertain context with the election of Donald Trump as the 45th U.S. president. Trump has made it abundantly clear he disagrees that humans are changing Earth’s climate, and he has questioned whether our climate is changing at all. This places him at odds with the leaders of virtually every other nation on Earth, according to a Sierra Club compilation of statements from world leaders released in July. Among Trump’s campaign pledges, as summarized in Vox, are:

--scrap the Clean Power Plan, put forth by President Barack Obama to regulate greenhouse emissions from power plants
--dismantle most or all of the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA)
--abolish federal spending related to climate change, which could end or disrupt the work of thousands of scientists and engineers
--“cancel” the hard-fought global Paris Agreement on climate change mitigation, which was years in the making and finalized only last year.

The roster of potential members of the Trump administration includes several fossil-fuel executives, and a post-election organization chart confirmed that economist Myron Ebell (Competitive Enterprise Institute) will be heading up Trump’s transition team at EPA. Ebell has long been one of the nation’s most prominent voices fostering doubt about climate change and its risks. In 2007, Ebell told Vanity Fair: “…whether it's caused by human beings or not, it's nothing to worry about."


Figure 1. American students take part in a protest outside the COP22 international climate conference in Marrakesh, Morocco, on Wednesday, November 9, 2016, following the U.S. presidential election. Image credit: Fadel Senna/AFP/Getty Images.

Trump has railed against established climate science for years, most famously with his tweeted claim of November 6, 2012: “The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive.” At the three 2016 presidential debates, the topic of climate change was never raised by moderators, even though one unasked question--”What are the steps you will take to address climate change?”--placed #4 among 30 potential questions for the second debate as ranked by participants in an online poll. Likewise, climate change was not addressed in the wide-ranging “60 Minutes” interview with Trump and family members on Sunday, November 13.

Commentary
Trump’s election to the presidency of the most powerful nation on Earth is a serious blow to our hopes of preserving a livable climate for our children. In order to keep global warming below the dangerous threshold of 2°C above pre-industrial levels, we needed strong American leadership and a near-WWII-level effort to move the U.S. and global economy away from fossil fuels. Instead, Trump has promised to strongly oppose that transition. While Trump’s actions cannot stop the ongoing shift of our energy economy away from fossil fuels, they could still do a tremendous amount of damage, because there remains far more fossil fuel on Earth than we can safely burn while still avoiding dangerous risks to our climate. As climate science writer and former energy researcher Joe Romm wrote on Wednesday at thinkprogress.org: “The clean energy revolution is unstoppable because of underlying global market, policy, and technological trends. President Trump can’t reverse those trends even if he appoints oil executives to run both the Departments of Energy and Interior. He can’t stop the inevitable triumph of solar, wind, efficiency (such as LED light bulbs), advanced batteries, and electric vehicles. But, as I’ve written, he could probably slow it enough to destroy the modest chance we had to keep total warming ‘well below 2°C’ as the world committed to in Paris.”

Indeed, any U.S. action to halt or slow down climate change mitigation and adaption will run up against powerful worldwide momentum, including the global recognition of climate change threats and the enormous growth of wind and solar energy. What appears almost certain now is that U.S. emission cuts will fail to meet the national pledge submitted as part of the Paris Agreement (a 26 - 28% reduction in U.S. greenhouse emissions by 2025 compared to 2005). This agreement was intended to grow stronger in subsequent years, with each country raising its voluntary goals, but in this case the U.S. would be moving backward. Even if other nations remain on board, the extra greenhouse emissions from the United States will raise the odds of truly serious consequences for many years to come. This year to date is the warmest in global records, and carbon dioxide concentrations have risen above 400 ppm for good, ensuring even more warming to come. The atmosphere is not waiting for U.S. leaders to decide whether human-produced climate change is real or not.


Figure 2. A man walks on dunes on October 26, 2016 near Morocco's southeastern oasis town of Erfoud, north of Er-Rissani in the Sahara Desert. The oasis of Tafilalet near Er-Rissane is at risk of disappearing as the area is plagued by long-term drought and desertification. Image credit: Fadel Senna/AFP/Getty Images.

Based on every signal we have now, a Trump presidency would abandon any U.S. leadership role in global climate policy. It remains to be seen how Trump’s proposals will translate into firmer plans and actions, and how other nations might be influenced. For the sake of this discussion, let’s assume that the Trump administration’s plans and their repercussions worldwide could end up producing an additional 0.5°C increase in Earth's temperature before it eventually stabilizes. This difference may not seem like much, but it would make a huge difference in some regions. For example, research published last month in Science stated that the impact on ecosystems of a 1.5°C warming is not unknown for Mediterranean societies, but it warned that a 2°C warming would make the warm forests of southern Spain and North Africa likely to be taken over by desert by the end of the century, making living there difficult. Even before Trump’s election, holding global warming to 2°C above pre-industrial levels was looking unlikely. Now, a 3°C warming is looking more probable, raising the specter that the children of today voting during the U.S. election of 2056 will be grappling with whether or not we should attempt desperate geo-engineering efforts to intentionally modify the climate in order to avoid massive disruption and damage to our ecosystems and societies.

Trump’s proposals thus far on climate change would put short-term profits ahead of the long-term well-being of ourselves and the children of future generations, and they need to be strongly resisted and protested. If we want to preserve our best chances for a livable climate, we must protect environmental regulations, push for divestment from fossil fuel stocks, invest in renewable energy, join action groups, organize ballot initiatives, and work with state and local governments. Hunter Cutting of climatesignals.org has a more in-depth analysis on how the climate action movement can move forward. In his address to the nation after the election, Trump said he wanted to be a president for all Americans. Let’s hold him to that promise.

Jeff Masters and Bob Henson
Note: Our views are our own and not necessarily representative of The Weather Company or IBM.

Additional reading

China may leave the U.S. behind on climate change due to Trump
Andrew Freedman, Mashable

What Trump can--and can’t--do all by himself on climate
Paul Voosen, Science

Climate Trumps Everything, No Matter Who Is President
Michael E. Mann and Susan Joy Hassol, Scientific American

Climate Change Politics

The views of the author are his/her own and do not necessarily represent the position of The Weather Company or its parent, IBM.

Reader Comments

if you all do not want Trump as our president then lets start a recall election its as easy as that
Thank You Dr. Masters and Mr. Henson for re-posting this blog; glad to see that it was worked out with the disclaimer note at the bottom..................Freedom of Speech at its best and informed commentary at that.
Indeed, thanks for re-posting this blog. Meanwhile :

Record losses as global warming worsens
Climate News Network - November 15.

In a report yesterday to governments at the UN's COP22 climate talks in Marrakesh, Morocco, the WMO said that 2016 was almost certain to be the warmest year on record, and detailed the "considerable socio-economic losses in all regions of the world" that has resulted. (...)
- Provisional Statement by the World Meteorological Organization

*** Climate change is affecting all life on Earth - and that's not good news for humanity
The Conversation - November 2016.


More than a dozen authors from different universities and nongovernmental organizations around the world have concluded, based on an analysis of hundreds of studies, that almost every aspect of life on Earth has been affected by climate change. (...) Humans need to do what nature is trying to do: recognize that change is upon us and adapt our behavior in ways that limit serious, long-term consequences.

Record heat despite a cold sun
Real Climate - November 2016.

Global temperature goes from heat record to heat record, yet the sun is at its dimmest for half a century.
(...) As climate scientists we are by no means surprised at this development, as there has been clear evidence that the variations of the sun's activity have played a completely subordinate role in climate change over the last 65 years. (...) Global warming is driven by greenhouse gases, which is a long-standing consensus in science. (...) However, some unsupported claims by "climate skeptics" about the importance of solar variability are now clearly falsified. Climate skeptics have repeatedly predicted an imminent global cooling because of the weak sun. Attributing global warming to the sun has become untenable, because solar activity has not increased for the last 65 years. (...)

up to 80% chance now............................................... .......................
thank you very much for the lunch time read and the important message it contains


KOTG.
Thanks for the new blog. We were waiting for this one - at least most of us ;-)
Someone needs to stop this monster. If he pulls us out of the Paris accords, there needs to be a march on Washington.
Quoting 4. LargoFl:

up to 80% chance now............................................... .......................


Your a bit late on the news with that
Quoting 8. barbamz:

Sarkozy proposes carbon tax on US goods if Trump scraps Paris climate pact
By RFI Issued on 14-11-2016

Lol. What game is he playing ? The same guy endorsed climate change denial about 2 months ago (keep in mind that he's the former French president) :
Sarkozy's climate change denial sparks anger
Politico, September 29.
Sarkozy, who hopes to secure the center-right Les Republicains party's presidential nomination, told business leaders earlier this week that "climate has been changing for four billion years" and "you need to be as arrogant as men are to believe we changed the climate."
Quoting 10. 999Ai2016:


Lol. What game is he playing ? The same guy endorsed climate denial about 2 months ago (keep in mind that he's the former French president) ...

Wow, lol. He must have watched DiCaprio's video in the mean time ;-)
Back to the weather/invest in the Atlantic........................Looks to me like a coc is trying to develop near 11N-78W but notice how much dry air is getting sucked in off of the coast of SA into the broad circulation.........It will probably do better once it gets away from South America and continues the slow drift to the North but it will be a slow burn. Have no clue what shear is going to look like in 3-4 days to the North of the disturbance but it needs to drop to allow stacking:





would not it be logical due to the waters deep warmth that 90 l end up moving nw carib.? very weak stirring acc/ to cmc stationary through 180hrs.
I want to make it clear, for any conservative bloggers who feel Dr. Masters blog has some sort of an unfair left wing political bias. That is simply not true. The warming of the Earth due to human influence is a serious scientific fact and thus it is a bi-partisan issue that threatens the future safety of all of us. It's not scientists fault that the much of the Republican party have chosen to reject scientific facts because they don't want to lose support financial support from the oil giants.

Now, there is major corruption and biases in both parties, so I'm not here just to point out corruption in the Republican party. If it had been reversed and it was the Republicans embracing it and Democrats being the deniers, it would be the Democrats taking the heat for denying the facts of Climate Change.

I'm a conservative myself, and although I can be prone to having biases myself like anyone, I try my best to seek the truth and do what's right. If something that makes sense and is the right thing to do happens to be labeled left wing or liberal, I'm not going to turn a blind eye to it just because I might be called a traitor or fake conservative for it.

I actually think there is a better way to deal with climate change from a smaller and less controlling government perspective as apposed to the centralized left wing approach, but sadly, it's very hard to find people who agree with my economic perspective that haven't caved to the global warming denial pressures.

I've even encountered people in my major that deny climate change somehow just because they're scared to "betray" the Republican approach. It's frustrating how social pressure is often a major cause for people's views.
Let's worry about fixing our water supply so American's aren't getting lead poisoning and cancer before we spend billions of dollars helping other countries conform to our progressive and job killing energy policies.

MAGA!

World leaders pose for a family photo at the UN Climate Change Conference 2016 (COP22) in Marrakech, Morocco November 15, 2016. REUTERS/Youssef Boudlal

France, U.N. tell Trump action on climate change unstoppable
Reuters, Tue Nov 15, 2016 | 11:28am EST, By Aziz El Yaakoubi and Nina Chestney | MARRAKESH, Morocco
France and the United Nations on Tuesday stepped up warnings to U.S. President-elect Donald Trump about the risks of quitting a 2015 global plan to combat climate change, saying a historic shift from fossil fuels is unstoppable.
French President Francois Hollande, addressing almost 200 nations meeting in Morocco on ways to slow global warming, said that inaction would be "disastrous for future generations and it would be dangerous for peace".
Both he and U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon called on Trump, who has called man-made global warming a hoax, to drop a campaign pledge to cancel the global 2015 Paris Agreement that aims to shift from fossil fuels to cleaner energies. ...

More see link above.
Hoping that this system misses Haiti by a few hundred miles regardless; last thing that they need is another storm while they are still in recovery from Matthew: it's starting to get a good broad rotation going:





Quoting 16. starbuck02:

Let's worry about fixing our water supply so American's aren't getting lead poisoning and cancer before we spend billions of dollars helping other countries conform to our progressive and job killing energy policies.

MAGA!


99.99% of our water supply is fine. I'm sorry, but water issues in Flint is nothing compared to the danger of climate change. That's like saying "why worry about that guy over there threatening to detonate a nuke? We have a kid over here with a BB gun."
You guys worry too much, climate is self adjusting. Once all the humans kill themselves off the climate will readjust to cooling again. Should only take a mellenia or two, the bacteria that survive will evolve into higher life forms again in the next 100 million years or so. Gosh!
The Missing post is BACK. Thank You Gentlemen...
Quoting 21. snotly:

You guys worry too much, climate is self adjusting. Once all the humans kill themselves off the climate will readjust to cooling again. Should only take a mellenia or two, the bacteria that survive will evolve into higher life forms again in the next 100 million years or so. Gosh!


please stand by for the intellectual statement from the leader elect

"STOP IT"

thank-you
Quoting 16. starbuck02:

Let's worry about fixing our water supply so American's aren't getting lead poisoning and cancer before we spend billions of dollars helping other countries conform to our progressive and job killing energy policies.

MAGA!


Well, that sounds kind of trumpy--except the part about fixing our water supply.
So this is good?
Quoting 18. KEEPEROFTHEGATE:


Quoting 1. thetwilightzone:

if you all do not want Trump as our president then lets start a recall election its as easy as that


What???
Quoting 17. barbamz:



And when Trump will defy all those world readers and stops the "historic shift from fossil fuels" within U.S. territory, in the eyes of those that voted for Trump, it will appear that he has "made America great again".

Quoting previous blog 196. Skyepony:


The 5 million people dying a year due to the pollution of burning fossil fuels wouldn't agree..That isn't including those with long term illness due too, or their water source and property values ruined by & such.




5 million a year, or some 300 million during average human lifespan, won't make those seven billion within the rest of humanity nothing but an "overwhelming majority". Also, keep in mind that many people in poor countries would starve before getting old enough to die from a respiratory disease, if those countries couldn't lure industry to give jobs/income within their territories by giving that industry cheap energy coming from fossil fuels.

And from the blog:

" Now, a 3°C warming is looking more probable, raising the specter that the children of today voting during the U.S. election of 2056 will be grappling with whether or not we should attempt desperate geo-engineering efforts to intentionally modify the climate in order to avoid massive disruption and damage to our ecosystems and societies. "

Why not make it an issue in 2020 election, whether to begin progressive experimentation on geoengineering, so that by 2056, the consequences of such actions have been largely demonstrated, not being "desperate attempts" anymore, when needed?
?
Quoting 16. starbuck02:

Let's worry about fixing our water supply so American's aren't getting lead poisoning and cancer before we spend billions of dollars helping other countries conform to our progressive and job killing energy policies.

MAGA!
From a March 2016 Gallop poll; something to think about as the new Administration considers whether to pull out of the Paris Accord (and/or disregard or follow the helpful "advice" that they will no doubt receive from the pro-fossil fuel lobby in Washington):

PRINCETON, N.J. -- Americans are taking global warming more seriously than at any time in the past eight years, according to several measures in Gallup's annual environment poll. Most emblematic is the rise in their stated concern about the issue. Sixty-four percent of U.S. adults say they are worried a "great deal" or "fair amount" about global warming, up from 55% at this time last year and the highest reading since 2008.

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Quoting 21. snotly:

You guys worry too much, climate is self adjusting. Once all the humans kill themselves off the climate will readjust to cooling again. Should only take a mellenia or two, the bacteria that survive will evolve into higher life forms again in the next 100 million years or so. Gosh!
Climate is self-adjusting, that is true, but it takes millions of years, approximately the entire time that humans have been on the planet. You think we can wait that long?
Never in Earth's long history has the rate of change been this rapid. Organisms cannot adapt that quickly. We are looking at a wholesale destruction of organisms and ecosystems worldwide.
Don't tell me I worry too much simpleton.
Quoting 16. starbuck02:

Let's worry about fixing our water supply so American's aren't getting lead poisoning and cancer before we spend billions of dollars helping other countries conform to our progressive and job killing energy policies.

MAGA!
I wonder who was responsible for lead getting into your water supply? Perhaps, the governor or mayor of Flint should have done a better job looking into it or at least getting water works in there. Sounds like negligence.

On a weather note. We have a new area of interest tagged GENESIS036. Next name on the list is Otto.

Haiti, always Haiti...
Quoting 27. bryanfromkyleTX:



What???
I think he meant let's recount the votes. I know 2 states that may do a recount. Michigan and New Hampshire. I would like to see them recount in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania seeing how close it was in those states too. Plus, they're absentee ballots and mail-in votes in some other states that haven't all been counted yet.
Quoting 7. pipelines:

Someone needs to stop this monster. If he pulls us out of the Paris accords, there needs to be a march on Washington.
I SEE A LOT OF ELECTION denial going on here...we elected a great new president! at least if you don't like him give it a year and see what gets done.
Quoting 19. weathermanwannabe:

Hoping that this system misses Haiti by a few hundred miles regardless; last thing that they need is another storm while they are still in recovery from Matthew: it's starting to get a good broad rotation going:






We'll take it here in Florida on the west coast, we have been dry here lately since Matthew. A good fast moving tropical storm caught up in a trough and then clearing out and cooling us down just in time for Thanksgiving. That's my wish cast forecast. :D
Quoting 36. GTstormChaserCaleb:

We'll take it here in Florida on the west coast, we have been dry here lately since Matthew. A good fast moving tropical storm caught up in a trough and then clearing out and cooling us down just in time for Thanksgiving. That's my wish cast forecast. :D


In North Florida too; I have to start watering the lawn this weekend as the Azalea bushes around the house, which are actually very Winter sturdy for these parts, are starting to wither and die from a lack of rain as well as other plants.
Quoting 1. thetwilightzone:

if you all do not want Trump has are president then whats start a recall election its has easy has that


There is no place in the U.S. constitution for a recall election.

There remains the vanishingly low probability that several dozen trump pledged electors will cast votes for someone other than Trump which would throw the election to Congress and get some other Republican elected, most likely Paul Ryan. There is the even lower probability that that "someone other" would be Hilary which would result in her election. The above although unlikely is FULLY constitutional and electors using their own judgement rather than conforming to the popular choice was an expected outcome from Federalist#68.

The validity of the Electoral College as an institution is a topic out of scope of this blog. Although it wiped out my candidate in 2000 and 2016, I do concur with the founders' thinking that it is preferable to raw popular vote selection because the latter encourages campaigning and catering to big population centers only AND because of the electors judgement circuit breaker which may (I'm not holding my breath) yet save us from an unsuitable candidate.


The Hill
Mark Hensch
19 hrs ago

Two Democratic members of the Electoral College have launched a campaign to keep President-elect Donald Trump from entering the White House, according to a new report.
Washington's Bret Chiafolo and Colorado's Michael Baca hope at least 37 of their GOP colleagues will abandon Trump and force the House into picking the next president instead, Politico said Monday.
Politico said the pair's so-called "Moral Electors" movement has already found one backer in Washington's Robert Satiacum.
"This is a longshot," Chiafolo told Politico in a phone interview Monday. "It's a hail Mary. However, I do see situations where - when we've already had two or three [Republican] electors state publicly they didn't want to vote for Trump. How many of them have real issue with Donald Trump in private?"
Politico said neither Baca nor Chiafolo is seeking the election of Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton.
Both vowed they would encourage GOP electors to write-in either Gov. John Kasich (R-Ohio) or 2012 Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney instead.
The House would choose from among the top-three vote getters should enough electors reject Trump's claim to the White House.
Politico noted the 538 members of the Electoral College are scheduled to gather in their various state capitals and formally vote for president Dec. 19.
Baca and Chiafolo are seeking 37 other electors to halt Trump due to the Republican's results in the Electoral College vote last week.
Trump claimed 290 electoral votes to Clinton's 228, and currently leads in Michigan, which awards another 16.
Michigan would boost Trump's total to 306 electoral votes if all electors there go his way, well past the 270 threshold required for the presidency.
Politico added it could find only one GOP elector on record considering a break with Trump, his party's nominee.
Texas's Art Sisneros, a Libertarian activist, on Monday said he remains "undecided" but state party leaders and fellow GOP electors are pressuring him to go with Trump.
Twenty-nine states have laws mandating their electors support the victor of their state's popular vote, though Politico acknowledged none has ever been challenged or enforced.
Clinton's loss to Trump remains controversial as the former secretary of State won the national popular vote by less than 1 point over him.
hmpf..............


Quoting 7. pipelines:

Someone needs to stop this monster. If he pulls us out of the Paris accords, there needs to be a march on Washington.


Typical liberal response, you don't get it your way so you cry about it.
Quoting 40. nrtiwlnvragn:

hmpf..............



is that closed looks open a little in the west south west area
From Ricky Rood's blog :

Quoting 40. RobertWC:

For The Arctic Ocean Above 80 North, It's Still Summer in November

It's going to be the hottest year on record - by a long shot. Just ask Gavin Schmidt at a NASA that the climate change denying Trump Administration has now imperiled. But in one region - the Arctic - the rate of heat accumulation has been outrageously extreme. And it is there that this new record warmth could inflict some of the worst damage to an increasingly fragile Earth System.

Link
Of course HWRF makes 90L a strong hurricane


HOUR: 111.0 LONG: -78.50 LAT: 14.30 MIN PRES (hPa): 972.00 MAX SURF WIND (KNOTS): 91.00
Both sides whine, sometimes for the right reasons, sometimes not. This shift in leadership has paved the way for a more political forum to be sure.
Quoting 42. KEEPEROFTHEGATE:

is that closed looks open a little in the west south west area


There were west winds about 12hrs ago in Trini
I know I shouldn't respond to certain things (and I'm certainly not going to quote them) but what we're discussing on this blog has nothing to do with being election deniers, crybabies, liberals, conservatives, woozles or heffalumps. It has to do with saving the planet or at least trying. I'm so tired of people resorting to name-calling when this is way more serious than that. Done with the rant; sorry.
Quoting 35. Tampa969mlb:

I SEE A LOT OF ELECTION denial going on here...we elected a great new president! at least if you don't like him give it a year and see what gets done.


How does one know one is great when they did not do anything yet.
Quoting 26. 19N81W:

So this is good?



No. The persistent anomalies +2 standard deviations above the norm is suppressing winter ice recovery. I'm not just talking about extent, I'm also talking about volume.

In addition, the anomalies are causing some odd patterns develop. I'm not sure what the long range implications for winter will be at this point, but it certainly won't be a "normal" winter.
Just hangs around and spins


53. RayT
I dont know why this is such a surprise. we are at the lowest sea ice extent (given the time of year) in history.

what this generally means, is that as long as there is liquid water in the North, the wind blows, hits the water, and evaporates water which then freezes (freezing is a warming process) and falls as snow. so the more open ocean you have, the more precipitation you will get and the warmer it will remain.

it is not until the sea ice fully freezes up that you get the REALLY cold weather.

Generally, what I expected was warmer weather with more precipitation up north. I have no stats on precipitation, but it is warmer. Of that there is no doubt.

Quoting 43. 999Ai2016:

From Ricky Rood's blog :

KRAL - Riverside Municipal Airport

Starting to look a lot more like Fall, slight chance of rain on Monday(25%).
From the blog:

"Now, a 3°C warming is looking more probable, raising the specter that the children of today voting during the U.S. election of 2056 will be grappling with whether or not we should attempt desperate geo-engineering efforts to intentionally modify the climate in order to avoid massive disruption and damage to our ecosystems and societies."

20 reasons why geoengineering may be a bad idea (pdf)

Carbon dioxide emissions are rising so fast that some scientists are seriously considering putting Earth on life support as a last resort. But is this cure worse than the disease?

1. Effects on regional climate.
2. Continued ocean acidification.
3. Ozone depletion.
4. Effects on plants.
5. More acid deposition.
6. Effects of cirrus clouds.
7. Whitening of the sky (but nice sunsets).
8. Less sun for solar power.
9. Environmental impacts of implementation.
10. Rapid warming if deployment stops.
11. There’s no going back.
12. Human error.
13. Undermining emissions mitigation.
14. Cost.
15. Commercial control of technology.
16. Military use of the technology.
17. Conflicts with current treaties.
18. Control of the thermostat.
19. Questions of moral authority.
20. Unexpected consequences.

-----

Geoengineering the climate
Science, governance and uncertainty (pdf)


And typical conservative reaction, against protests. This is what I mean. If we got rid of party labels, we wouldn't see red and blue, we may actually get more things done. Sadly, this will continue throughout U.S. history because it's a business for these politicians. Republicans are in the pockets of oil lobbyists and Democrats are pushing their climate change agenda. If it were my way I would like to see a happy medium, one in which satisfied both sides, so we don't see coal miners and nuclear power plant workers put of jobs and we moved or transitioned to a cleaner more sustainable form of energy as an alternative, and if can ever get to the point where we know longer need to rely on coal and fossil fuels, these miners can be placed in jobs that work on these wind farms, solar panels, and hydroelectric plants. Part of the reason why Donald Trump won in my opinion, I think Independents were fed up with establishment politics some over the corruption in the Executive Branch and some over the obstruction in the Legislative Branch. Both sides are to blame and will now have to take responsibility of a Trump presidency. But we the people will need to do what's in our best interest to push for these things to occur and while maintaining a source of income to supply and feed our families, and look out for our friends and neighbors should the climate really change like the models are projecting. It's already changing now, it's actually been changing since the past 30-40 years to a warmer planet, due to the concentration levels of CO2 going up, so that's never a good sign. We have to mitigate against the potential risks.
Quoting 54. PedleyCA:

KRAL - Riverside Municipal Airport

Starting to look a lot more like Fall, slight chance of rain on Monday(25%).
they are forecasting highs in the mid to high 60's for my area again by Thursday by Sunday we should finally see some normal like temps with wet snow showers Sunday night and Monday next week

Today
Mainly sunny. High 13.
Tonight
Increasing cloudiness early this evening. 30 percent chance of showers overnight. Low 8.
Wed,16Nov
Mainly cloudy with 30 percent chance of showers. Wind becoming northwest 20 km/h in the morning. High 13.
Night
Cloudy periods. Low plus 3.
Thu,17Nov
A mix of sun and cloud. High 14.
Night
Cloudy periods. Low 9.
Fri,18Nov
A mix of sun and cloud. High 17.
Night
Cloudy periods with 30 percent chance of showers. Low 11.
Sat,19Nov
Cloudy with 40 percent chance of showers. High 14.
Night
Cloudy with 40 percent chance of rain. Low plus 3.
Sun,20Nov
Cloudy with 60 percent chance of showers. High 6.
Night
Cloudy with 60 percent chance of rain showers or flurries. Windy. Low plus 1.
Mon,21Nov
Cloudy with 40 percent chance of rain showers or flurries. High plus 4.

Normals
Max 7C. Min 1C.
TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
100 PM EST TUE NOV 15 2016

For the North Atlantic...Caribbean Sea and the Gulf of Mexico:

1. A large area cloudiness and thunderstorms is associated with a
broad low pressure system located over the southwestern Caribbean
Sea. Environmental conditions are expected to be conducive for slow
development of this disturbance during the next several days, and a
tropical depression is likely to form by late this week or over the
weekend while the low drifts generally northward.
* Formation chance through 48 hours...low...20 percent
* Formation chance through 5 days...high...80 percent

Forecaster Stewart

We're in the redzone.

Quoting 35. Tampa969mlb:

I SEE A LOT OF ELECTION denial going on here...we elected a great new president! at least if you don't like him give it a year and see what gets done.


We didn't elect a great new president. By any objective standard we elected an anti-science idiot who had the look of a dog who finally caught the car he was chasing and now doesn't know what to do with it. I also see little reason to wait a year when said buffoon has already made it clear what he intends to do, and none of it will be "making America great again", unless by "great" you mean rolling back environmental regulations to the days when the Cuyahoga River caught on fire.

Trust and respect are not given. They are earned. Trump has done nothing throughout his campaign, and more recently with is potential cabinet picks, to deserve either. Environmental regulations and climate research aren't things you get into an ideological pissing contest over. These are things that potentially affect billions of lives. And if your presidential response to the global community in regards to addressing these issues is the equivalent of giving the world a middle finger, that's not only dangerous but demonstrates a level of ignorance and irresponsibility that borders on the imbecilic.
Quoting 35. Tampa969mlb:
I SEE A LOT OF ELECTION denial going on here...we elected a great new president! at least if you don't like him give it a year and see what gets done.


He teased another human with a physical disability. What's so great about that? Unless you're into teasing people with disabilities.
60. Xyrus2000

a million plusses -
The arctic coasts in boreal autumn are one of the first places where the climate change signal has overwhelmed the weather noise. Every mid to late autumn now will be either warmer than normal, way warmer than normal or way way warmer than normal. Conditions will revert closer to normal once the Arctic ocean surface freezes again so although there will be a warm bias, some periods will still be colder than normal the other 40-45 weeks of the year. But autumns.. with newly clear arctic ocean every year.. they'll all be warmer than normal from here on out.

All of them!
This article is the opposite of wonderful. Almost all the work that America did to make the US a better place from 1930-1980 is going down the toilet, and something not getting press is the infrastructure we built will be auctioned off to someone who'll make a toll road. Get in your car, stick a quarter in the machine, pal. Because taxes doing the same thing more cheaply is bad.
Quoting 44. nrtiwlnvragn:

Of course HWRF makes 90L a strong hurricane


HOUR: 111.0 LONG: -78.50 LAT: 14.30 MIN PRES (hPa): 972.00 MAX SURF WIND (KNOTS): 91.00

Water temperatures are still plenty warm enough down there, nrt.



Wind shear is also around 10-15 knots and looks like an anticyclone is developing.

Quoting 61. aquak9:



He teased another human with a physical disability. What's so great about that? Unless you're into teasing people with disabilities.
well if he was a blog member I would of had to ban him a long time ago for forever not just a couple of hrs or days
Quoting 35. Tampa969mlb:

I SEE A LOT OF ELECTION denial going on here...we elected a great new president! at least if you don't like him give it a year and see what gets done.


What denial? I didn't say he wasn't going to be president, I didn't say he didn't win the election, he did. Why give it a year? He's already said he's going to pull us out of the Paris Accords, we need to stop him NOW before he does.
Quoting 16. starbuck02:

Let's worry about fixing our water supply so American's aren't getting lead poisoning and cancer before we spend billions of dollars helping other countries conform to our progressive and job killing energy policies.

MAGA!


I amazed at how some people can be so short sighted when they make comments like this. Dismantle the EPA and weaken the environmental laws in this country and lead in the drinking water will become far more wide spread than it is now and far from being in isolated areas. Lead could become the least of our worries with what would end up in our water. I am old enough to know the environmental conditions before the EPA was established. You could see the air that you were breathing and you could smell the water that you were drinking. The "fresh" water that you fished and swam in would smell. I remember the Houston Ship Channel catching on fire due to all of the pollutants in the water. Think before you speak.
Quoting 67. pipelines:



What denial? I didn't say he wasn't going to be president, I didn't say he didn't win the election, he did. Why give it a year? He's already said he's going to pull us out of the Paris Accords, we need to stop him NOW before he does.
I don't think he will, the voice of Obama seems to be playing a bigger role on campaign Trump vs. President-Elect Trump. Trump already says he plans on keeping 2 key pieces of Obamacare. People with pre-existing health conditions and adults 26 years and under. He's also reduced his building a wall to building a fence. Hey I have a fence in my backyard. Every now and then I peep over to talk to my neighbor. Hey neighbor, what's up? ;)
Thank you, Dr Masters and Mr Henson. I can count on both of you to lay out the facts for us.
Quoting 60. Xyrus2000:



We didn't elect a great new president. By any objective standard we elected an anti-science idiot who had the look of a dog who finally caught the car he was chasing and now doesn't know what to do with it. I also see little reason to wait a year when said buffoon has already made it clear what he intends to do, and none of it will be "making America great again", unless by "great" you mean rolling back environmental regulations to the days when the Cuyahoga River caught on fire.

Trust and respect are not given. They are earned. Trump has done nothing throughout his campaign, and more recently with is potential cabinet picks, to deserve either. Environmental regulations and climate research aren't things you get into an ideological pissing contest over. These are things that potentially affect billions of lives. And if your presidential response to the global community in regards to addressing these issues is the equivalent of giving the world a middle finger, that's not only dangerous but demonstrates a level of ignorance and irresponsibility that borders on the imbecilic.
Great Post ...Someone who believes they could commit murder and still be president is nothing short of psychopathic...Here is the video of that statement he made in Iowa in January...Link

When someone tells you who they are--believe them!
Quoting 61. aquak9:



He teased another human with a physical disability. What's so great about that? Unless you're into teasing people with disabilities.
I agree that's just so wrong, I'm pretty sure his tune would change had one of his kids or grandkids had a physical disability. When he speaks his tone sounds very ignorant. I mean "Get em outta here" and "She is a nasty woman." Well Trump I think you are a nasty man, at least I'm not the one that gropes women. All of these characteristics of Trump don't sound very presidential to me and his election will encourage other populists to run for president in the future.
Quoting 35. Tampa969mlb:

I SEE A LOT OF ELECTION denial going on here...we elected a great new president! at least if you don't like him give it a year and see what gets done.


You obviously don't get it. There is a reason why so many people are adamant about not wanting him in the White house. A great new President? He has to prove it first and just from his stance on climate change I can tell you that having him run this country is a very scary idea.
12z ECMWF showing a major hurricane in the Caribbean near the Cayman islands by 240 hours.
Quoting 16. starbuck02:

Let's worry about fixing our water supply so American's aren't getting lead poisoning and cancer before we spend billions of dollars helping other countries conform to our progressive and job killing energy policies.

MAGA!


How about you PROVE that using clean energy "kills jobs"? The job numbers have shown one of the longest periods of steady growth in history. You deniers claim that AGW isn't proven (it is) and then spout totally specious economic arguments.
Quoting 75. CybrTeddy:

12z ECMWF showing a major hurricane in the Caribbean near the Cayman islands by 240 hours.
It figures that this season would want to end in dramatic fashion.

Remember what Trump said in a debate some time ago, he can change his mind on things, if he gets facts and is convinced of something he would change his mind on something after saying one thing. Even if he did say something that he wouldn't do doesn't mean he would stick to it just because he promised something. He said he's human and why would a president not be allowed to change his stance on subjects.

We need the scientists and experts to discuss with him in "laymen" terms of climate change and I'm sure he'll understand and work with them on what we need to do as a nation. He can change his mind on things and I wouldn't be surprised if something like this can happen.
Quoting 77. GTstormChaserCaleb:

It figures that this season would want to end in dramatic fashion.


Not necessary the end. This is not 90L pictured here:
Quoting 35. Tampa969mlb:

I SEE A LOT OF ELECTION denial going on here...we elected a great new president! at least if you don't like him give it a year and see what gets done.


Great?

😨
Quoting 78. RitaEvac:

Remember what Trump said in a debate some time ago, he can change his mind on things, if he gets facts and is convinced of something he would change his mind on something after saying one thing. Even if he did say something that he wouldn't do doesn't mean he would stick to it just because he promised something. He said he's human and why would a president not be allowed to change his stance on subjects.

We need the scientists and experts to discuss with him in "laymen" terms of climate change and I'm sure he'll understand and work with them on what we need to do as a nation. He can change his mind on things and I wouldn't be surprised if something like this can happen.


When you look at the people that he has already set up into key positions then it is far less likely that scientists and experts will alter his thinking. Not when he has these people sitting on his shoulder and telling him that it ain't so. You can go down the list of names of those that he is considering to put into other key positions and you will soon come to realize that he is not open to any new thoughts on this. He will be metaphorically shooting people in the street and he will still be supported by his key people when he does so.
Been teased,slandered, lied about, put down, and even had one death threat in 11 years here.


Let alone my family harrased and other personal shots taken at us et al.


Even today in a sock puppet wu mail.


Were ain't going no where,save for leaning forward as usual.



Oooh rah'


😯💪






Probably the best we can hope for is a blockage secondary to polycythemia, or maybe metastatic melanoma.

I mean, we CAN make fun of the medically disabled now, right?
Regarding some comments as to "wait-and-see" what Trump may or may not do - read the blog above carefully. If you think that Trump may or may not do things, look at the people that he is appointing to important positions in his government, and their record. Trump is an executive. Like all executives, he places people into positions to make those decisions for him.
If you think that Trump will be actively making decisions, or setting any agenda, you are being naive. He will turn over any and all responsibility to any sycophant that assures him that he is "going to make America" great again.

Amazing how the Tea Party movement, in a relatively short period of time, has achieved their openly stated goals almost in entirety.
Inbox for u keeper.

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Or why don't we address the problem with the EPA and make it actually protect the environment, versus making it an arbitrary, dictatorial, political-opponent-suppressing rule-making body that makes regulations by self-generated fiat with no congressional oversight.
Quoting 82. Some1Has2BtheRookie:



When you look at the people that he has already set up into key positions then it is far less likely that scientists and experts will alter his thinking. Not when he has these people sitting on his shoulder and telling him that it ain't so. You can go down the list of names of those that he is considering to put into other key positions and you will soon come to realize that he is not open to any new thoughts on this. He will be metaphorically shooting people in the street and he will still be supported by his key people when he does so.


Then we are SOL.
If Trump were to pull out of the Paris accords, the US would be a pariah nation. There would be boycotts of US companies. Companies in the non-energy sectors (who vastly outnumber energy companies) have no vested interest in AGW denial and they will not hesitate to pressure the Administration and the Congress.

The moment Boeing loses a sale to Airbus because of Trump's stand on climate, you will hear howls and so will he.
Better track. Avoids Haiti. Now what would be really nice is if it would explode over water and then a strong tough would come by, which would send super high shear it's way and blow its pants off, thus weakening it drastically before it makes any kind of landfall. But either way, landfall is inevitable.
Quoting 83. Patrap:

Been teased,slandered, lied about, put down, and even had one death threat in 11 years here.


Let alone my family harrased and other personal shots taken at us et al.


Even today in a sock puppet wu mail.


Were ain't going no where,save for leaning forward as usual.



Oooh rah'


😯💪











I keep hitting F5!

But my news feeds still show Trump as Prez elect!??
Hoping that Invest 90 does not pull a Matthew and intensify riding and threading the needle just under the higher shear to the North: looks like the start of a ULAC near the core area in this update from 2:00 PM




Atlantic Tropical Weather Discussion
000
AXNT20 KNHC 151801
TWDAT

Tropical Weather Discussion
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL
101 PM EST TUE NOV 15 2016

Tropical Weather Discussion for North America, Central America
Gulf of Mexico, Caribbean Sea, northern sections of South
America, and Atlantic Ocean to the African coast from the
Equator to 32N. The following information is based on satellite
imagery, weather observations, radar and meteorological analysis.

Based on 1200 UTC surface analysis and satellite imagery through
1745 UTC.

...THE ITCZ/THE MONSOON TROUGH...

The Monsoon Trough reaches the coastal areas of Sierra Leone near
08N13W. The ITCZ continues from 08N13W to 07N22W 10N35W 07N45W,
and 07N55W. Convective precipitation: isolated to widely
scattered moderate and locally strong from 13N southward from 53W
eastward. Broad upper level cyclonic wind flow covers the area
that is from 10N southward between 54W and South America.
Convective precipitation: isolated moderate to locally strong from
06N to 08N between 55W and 59W.

A surface trough curves along 20N56W 16N60W, to Trinidad. Convective
precipitation: widely scattered moderate to isolated strong from
08N to 13N between 57W and 62W.

...DISCUSSION...

...THE GULF OF MEXICO...

An upper level trough is moving through the eastern sections of
the U.S.A., through the Florida Panhandle, into the north central
Gulf of Mexico, and toward NE coastal Mexico. One cold front is
passing through the Atlantic Ocean, along 32N73W, across the NW
Bahamas, to the Florida Keys, to the northern coast of the Yucatan
Peninsula. A stationary front curves from the northern coast of
the Yucatan Peninsula to the northern part of the Isthmus of
Tehuantepec, and to a 1013 mb low pressure center that is inland
near 18N93W. Convective precipitation: broken to overcast
multilayered clouds and possible rainshowers are to the south of
the line 29N83W 26N87W 26N97W, and from 27N to 28N between 86W and
88W. A second cold front is inland, moving through central Texas.

Upper level W and SW wind flow covers the rest of the Gulf of
Mexico.

A surface ridge passes through the deep south of Texas, through
the coastal plains of Mexico, into the Isthmus of Tehuantepec of
southern Mexico. Gale-force winds are forecast to start to be
experienced later tonight, in the Gulf of Tehuantepec on the
eastern Pacific Ocean side of southern Mexico. Please read the
Eastern Pacific Ocean HIGH SEAS FORECAST...MIAHSFEP2/FZPN03
KNHC...and the Eastern Pacific Ocean TROPICAL WEATHER
DISCUSSION...MIATWDEP/AXPZ20 KNHC...for more details.

...LOW LEVEL CLOUD CEILINGS AND WEATHER FOR THE OFFSHORE OIL
PLATFORM SITES THAT ARE IN THE AREA WHOSE BOUNDARIES ARE FROM 27N
NORTHWARD AND FROM 88W WESTWARD...

LIFR: none.

IFR: none.

MVFR: none.

LOW LEVEL CLOUD CEILINGS AND WEATHER...FOR THE COASTAL PLAINS OF
THE U.S.A. FROM THE DEEP SOUTH OF TEXAS TO FLORIDA...

in TEXAS and LOUISIANA: VFR/no ceilings. MISSISSIPPI: MVFR in
Natchez. FLORIDA: VFR/no ceilings.

...THE CARIBBEAN SEA...

A surface trough that is in the SW corner of the area, curves
from 16N80W to 13N79W, to a 1009 mb low pressure center that is
near 11N77W, and to the coast of Colombia near 10N76W. Convective
precipitation: scattered strong from 14N to 16N between 77W and
79W, and from 10N to 12N between 78W and 81W. Environmental
conditions are expected to be conducive for slow development of
this area of low pressure during the next several days. It is
likely that a tropical depression may form by late this week or
during the weekend while the low drifts northward or northeastward.
The chance of formation into a tropical cyclone is low.

Upper level anticyclonic wind flow spans the entire area, except
for the SW corner of the Caribbean Sea. An upper level ridge
extends from northern Colombia, toward Jamaica, toward the Yucatan
Channel.

Comparatively drier air in subsidence is apparent in water vapor
imagery from 15N southward between 70W and 73W, and mostly from
70W eastward. Middle level NW wind flow is in the area of the
comparatively drier air.

24-HOUR rainfall totals in inches for the period ending at
15/1200 UTC...according to the PAN AMERICAN TEMPERATURE AND
PRECIPITATION TABLES...MIATPTPAN/SXCA01 KNHC...are 0.02 in
St. Thomas in the Virgin Islands, and 0.01 in Guadeloupe.

...HISPANIOLA...

Upper level NW wind flow is moving across the entire area.
A surface trough extends from the Atlantic Ocean along 21N64W,
to the eastern part of the Dominican Republic. Convective
precipitation: rainshowers are possible from 15N to 21N between
64W and 70W, including in the coastal waters/coastal areas of the
eastern part of the Dominican Republic. Isolated moderate to
locally strong also from 16N northward between 71W and 76W in the
southern coastal waters.

SURFACE OBSERVATIONS...for Port-au-Prince in Haiti, VFR/no
ceiling. for the DOMINICAN REPUBLIC: Barahona: VFR. few
cumulonimbus clouds. Santo Domingo: VFR. La Romana: rain is in the
area. MVFR, ceiling at 1800 feet. Punta Cana: VFR/no ceiling.
Santiago: VFR. Puerto Plata: VFR.

The GFS MODEL forecast for 250 MB shows that NW wind flow will
move across the area during the first 6 to 12 hours or so,
followed by SW wind flow for the rest of the 48-hour forecast
period, as an anticyclonic circulation center moves directly to
the south of Hispaniola. The GFS MODEL forecast for 500 MB shows
that day one will start with an anticyclonic circulation center
directly on top of Hispaniola at the start of day one. The wind
flow will be from the SE and S as the anticyclonic center moves
eastward, away from Hispaniola. Expect S wind flow for the rest of
day one, as the anticyclonic center moves toward the NE corner of
the Caribbean Sea. Expect SW wind flow across the area as the
anticyclonic center remains in the NE corner of the Caribbean Sea.
The GFS MODEL forecast for 700 mb shows that anticyclonic wind
flow will cover the area for the first 12 hours to 18 hours,
followed by SE and S wind flow, as the anticyclonic circulation
center moves to the east of Hispaniola. Expect southerly wind flow
during day two, with the anticyclonic circulation center remaining
just outside the NE corner of the Caribbean Sea.

...THE ATLANTIC OCEAN...

A cold front is passing through the Atlantic Ocean, along 32N73W,
across the NW Bahamas, to the Florida Keys, to the northern coast
of the Yucatan Peninsula. Convective precipitation: broken to
overcast multilayered clouds and possible rainshowers are within
180 nm on either side of the line that passes through 32N69W to
28N73W, beyond 27N80W, along the SE Florida coast.

A deep layer central Atlantic Ocean trough is supporting a 1012 mb
low pressure center and an occluded frontal boundary. The 1014 mb
low pressure center is near 30N55W. The triple point for the
occlusion is near 35N53W. The cold front is along 35N53W 32N50W
27N50W 23N54W. A surface trough continues from 23N54W to 22N65W.
A separate surface trough extends from the 1012 mb low pressure
center to 27N55W 24N61W 24N70W. The upper level cyclonic
circulation center is near 30N55W. Convective precipitation:
Isolated moderate to locally strong from 18N to 30N between 45W
and 55W. Isolated moderate from 30N northward between 47W and 58W.

An upper level trough curves from a 28N22W cyclonic circulation
center, to 22N32W and 16N36W. Upper level cyclonic wind flow
covers the area from 16N northward 40W eastward. Convective
precipitation: isolated moderate from 26N northward between 19W
and 26W. Surface anticyclonic wind flow covers the Atlantic Ocean
from 14N northward between Africa and 48W.

For additional information please visit
http://www.hurricanes.gov/marine

$$
MT


Quick Links and Additional Resources






At 1800 UTC, 15 November 2016, LOW INVEST (AL90) was located in the North Atlantic basin at 11.9°N and 78°W. The current intensity was 20 kt and the center was moving at 5 kt at a bearing of 290 degrees.

The minimum central pressure was 1009 mb.

Quoting 93. georgevandenberghe:

I keep hitting F5!

But my news feeds still show Trump as Prez elect!??


I even rebooted my computer and cleared my cache. Same result.
The lower level vort has become more concentrated this afternoon and clear Tutt free sailing to the North:



So I need some background reading on the implications of climate change for severe weather. I'm working on a project about adaptations to weather risks in the built environment - specifically, things that residential builders and remodelers can do to make buildings more resilient in the face of severe weather. So, sea level rise, increased risk of flood, drought and wildfire, that kind of thing is the sort of risk I'm investigating. I'm looking for material that is authoritative rather than political. Any links or suggestions would be appreciated - thanks -

Ted
To begin with I am not a Trump fan nor am I a Hillary fan and I believe that all the Anti-Trump "Protesters" need to accept the fact that Trump won fair and square with a democratic system. I do believe the Earth's climate is changing and warming but I don't believe that Humans are the cause of it. We simply do not have enough data to support the theory that the "Climate Change" that is going on now is anything significant or worth worrying about. Humans should be good stewards to the Earth and there is nothing wrong with recycling, solar power, conserving water, and that sort of thing, but when everyone goes crazy trying to stop the use of Coal entirely and banning plastic bags (such as those in grocery stores) that is where we stop caring about the Earth and it become entirely Propaganda driven. (I know that I will get a lot of hate from everyone on this blog for this post but if you make an opinion based post I feel the need to speak my opinion too.) I would love to have a calm friendly debate on "Climate Change" with someone if you are interested.
Quoting 99. pressF1:

So I need some background reading on the implications of climate change for severe weather. I'm working on a project about adaptations to weather risks in the built environment - specifically, things that residential builders and remodelers can do to make buildings more resilient in the face of severe weather. So, sea level rise, increased risk of flood, drought and wildfire, that kind of thing is the sort of risk I'm investigating. I'm looking for material that is authoritative rather than political. Any links or suggestions would be appreciated - thanks -

Ted


F1
Quoting 14. Jedkins01:

I want to make it clear, for any conservative bloggers who feel Dr. Masters blog has some sort of an unfair left wing political bias. That is simply not true. The warming of the Earth due to human influence is a serious scientific fact and thus it is a bi-partisan issue that threatens the future safety of all of us. It's not scientists fault that the much of the Republican party have chosen to reject scientific facts because they don't want to lose support financial support from the oil giants.

Now, there is major corruption and biases in both parties, so I'm not here just to point out corruption in the Republican party. If it had been reversed and it was the Republicans embracing it and Democrats being the deniers, it would be the Democrats taking the heat for denying the facts of Climate Change.

I'm a conservative myself, and although I can be prone to having biases myself like anyone, I try my best to seek the truth and do what's right. If something that makes sense and is the right thing to do happens to be labeled left wing or liberal, I'm not going to turn a blind eye to it just because I might be called a traitor or fake conservative for it.

I actually think there is a better way to deal with climate change from a smaller and less controlling government perspective as apposed to the centralized left wing approach, but sadly, it's very hard to find people who agree with my economic perspective that haven't caved to the global warming denial pressures.

I've even encountered people in my major that deny climate change somehow just because they're scared to "betray" the Republican approach. It's frustrating how social pressure is often a major cause for people's views.


Hank you! Exactly how you put it. Put the parties aside and put people/prosperity first as a whole. No party will "win" with the changing climate!
Quoting 100. hotroddan:

To begin with I am not a Trump fan nor am I a Hillary fan and I believe that all the Anti-Trump "Protesters" need to accept the fact that Trump won fair and square with a democratic system. I do believe the Earth's climate is changing and warming but I don't believe that Humans are the cause of it. We simply do not have enough data to support the theory that the "Climate Change" that is going on now is anything significant or worth worrying about. Humans should be good stewards to the Earth and there is nothing wrong with recycling, solar power, conserving water, and that sort of thing, but when everyone goes crazy trying to stop the use of Coal entirely and banning plastic bags (such as those in grocery stores) that is where we stop caring about the Earth and it become entirely Propaganda driven. (I know that I will get a lot of hate from everyone on this blog for this post but if you make an opinion based post I feel the need to speak my opinion too.) I would love to have a calm friendly debate on "Climate Change" with someone if you are interested.


You have my attention. Which aspect of AGW would you like to debate? The Laws of Physics? The Laws of Thermodynamics? The Laws of Chemistry? Does the burning of fossil fuels emit CO2 into the atmosphere? You are free to start the debate.
King tide triggers flooding on Florida's east coast
Posted: Nov 15, 2016 11:00 AM CST
Updated: Nov 15, 2016 11:00 AM CST






(NBC6 Miami) - For the second straight month, cities along the South Florida shoreline will be dealing with the flooding caused by King Tides.


The weather occurrence – caused when the Earth, Moon and Sun are aligned to produce the greatest tidal effects – will have residents and businesses bracing for increased water levels in places like Fort Lauderdale, Miami Beach and other low elevation areas.

King Tides started Saturday and will continue through Friday at the following times:

Monday – 8:23 AM and 8:34 PM
Tuesday – 9:14 AM and 9: 25 PM
Wednesday – 10:05 AM and 10:17 PM
Thursday – 10:56 AM and 11:10 PM
Friday – 11:49 AM

Drivers are advised not to go through areas of flooding with unknown depth and rinse off their cars and their bodies if they do encounter flooding caused by King Tides.

Already, some roads are being closed due to the flooding – including Cordova Road at Southeast 12th Street in Fort Lauderdale from 6 a.m. to 12 p.m. and 6 p.m. to 1 a.m. on Monday.

"We're concerned about global warming and if it keeps getting worse, the property values are a concern to us in these neighborhoods that are close to the ocean," Fort Lauderdale resident Mark Korell said Monday.

-- CLICK HERE to see full story from NBC6 Miami

Quoting 75. CybrTeddy:

12z ECMWF showing a major hurricane in the Caribbean near the Cayman islands by 240 hours.


How nice Euro wants to kill me for a season ending


Quoting 77. GTstormChaserCaleb:

It figures that this season would want to end in dramatic fashion.




Well I guess I better go and dust off my gear and oil the locks on the shutters

Quoting 91. isothunder67:

Better track. Avoids Haiti. Now what would be really nice is if it would explode over water and then a strong tough would come by, which would send super high shear it's way and blow its pants off, thus weakening it drastically before it makes any kind of landfall. But either way, landfall is inevitable.



Why the hell is that a better track you really want me dead don't ya
106. OKsky
Quoting 100. hotroddan:

To begin with I am not a Trump fan
........
to have a calm friendly debate on "Climate Change" with someone if you are interested.


Where do you think all this CO2 is coming from or do you think that is irrelevant for some reason?
Rather than an amateur opinion, I will just post a few charts from time to time in the future generated by the scientists who study these things........................Here is the first of many to come over the next year:


Lordy,


😴
A simple diagram explains it all.





666


See what I just did?


Its a revelation maybe?


Trump DAT.

😯
Quoting 104. Patrap:

King tide triggers flooding on Florida's east coast
Posted: Nov 15, 2016 11:00 AM CST
Updated: Nov 15, 2016 11:00 AM CST






(NBC6 Miami) - For the second straight month, cities along the South Florida shoreline will be dealing with the flooding caused by King Tides.


The weather occurrence – caused when the Earth, Moon and Sun are aligned to produce the greatest tidal effects – will have residents and businesses bracing for increased water levels in places like Fort Lauderdale, Miami Beach and other low elevation areas.

King Tides started Saturday and will continue through Friday at the following times:

Monday – 8:23 AM and 8:34 PM
Tuesday – 9:14 AM and 9: 25 PM
Wednesday – 10:05 AM and 10:17 PM
Thursday – 10:56 AM and 11:10 PM
Friday – 11:49 AM

Drivers are advised not to go through areas of flooding with unknown depth and rinse off their cars and their bodies if they do encounter flooding caused by King Tides.

Already, some roads are being closed due to the flooding – including Cordova Road at Southeast 12th Street in Fort Lauderdale from 6 a.m. to 12 p.m. and 6 p.m. to 1 a.m. on Monday.

"We're concerned about global warming and if it keeps getting worse, the property values are a concern to us in these neighborhoods that are close to the ocean," Fort Lauderdale resident Mark Korell said Monday.

-- CLICK HERE to see full story from NBC6 Miami




Great information -- and the dog is adorable too.
111. OKsky
Quoting 109. Patrap:

A simple diagram explains it all.





666


See what I just did?


Its a revelation maybe?


Trump DAT.

%uD83D%uDE2F


What is sad is that a silly approach like that might be more convincing to some people than an appeal to science.
NOAA Global Climate Change Indicators

Introduction

Many lines of scientific evidence show the Earth's climate is changing. This page presents the latest information from several independent measures of observed climate change that illustrate an overwhelmingly compelling story of a planet that is undergoing global warming. It is worth noting that increasing global temperature is only one element of observed global climate change.

Precipitation patterns are also changing; storms and other extremes are changing as well.


How do we know humans are the primary cause of the warming?
A large body of evidence supports the conclusion that human activity is the primary driver of recent warming. This evidence has accumulated over several decades, and from hundreds of studies. The first line of evidence is our basic physical understanding of how greenhouse gases trap heat, how the climate system responds to increases in greenhouse gases, and how other human and natural factors influence climate.

The second line of evidence is from indirect estimates of climate changes over the last 1,000 to 2,000 years. These estimates are often obtained from living things and their remains (like tree rings and corals) which provide a natural archive of climate variations.

These indicators show that the recent temperature rise is clearly unusual in at least the last 1,000 years. The third line of evidence is based on comparisons of actual climate with computer models of how we expect climate to behave under certain human influences.

For example, when climate models are run with historical increases in greenhouse gases, they show gradual warming of the Earth and ocean surface, increases in ocean heat content, a rise in global sea level, and general retreat of sea ice and snow cover.

These and other aspects of modeled climate change are in agreement with observations.

Bill and Pat look a lot alike actually...

Quoting 92. RitaEvac:






Quoting 111. OKsky:



What is sad is that a silly approach like that might be more convincing to some people than an appeal to science.


U got that 100% correct.

😇
WKC is obviously very happy this afternoon!
116. elioe
Quoting 55. Xandra:
20 reasons why geoengineering may be a bad idea (pdf)



There where is may, is always also an equivalent may not.
No way.

I'm much better looking than my friend Mr. Maher.

😁
Quoting 88. westernmob:

Or why don't we address the problem with the EPA and make it actually protect the environment, versus making it an arbitrary, dictatorial, political-opponent-suppressing rule-making body that makes regulations by self-generated fiat with no congressional oversight.
There are some who still cling to the misguided fantasy that if all environmental regulations were suddenly lifted, the Great And Powerful Free Hand Of The Market™ would see ushered in a gentler era of sparkling clean air and sweet crystal blue waters, all courtesy of the benevolent corporations taking over.

This fantasy has, of course, absolutely no basis in fact.

Corporations both here and abroad have proven over hundreds of years that, as a whole, they can absolutely not be trusted to look out for anything other than their bottom line. Sad but true. If left to their own devices, corporations would doubtless do what they've always done in the past: violently bulldoze over and through anything and everything that stands in the way of their making a dollar. Virgin, old-growth forests? Sawdust. Unadulterated groundwaters? A toxic mix of fracking fluid and agricultural runoff. Clear skies? An unbreathable brownish-gray haze. But that's all fine; at least shareholders are earning great dividends this year, and isn't that what really matters anyway?

There's long been an awful lot of intensely hyperbolic vitriol blasting from one end of the political spectrum where the environment is concerned. The Clean Water Act? Arbitrary! The Clean Air Act? Dictatorial! Corporations have all our interests at heart; down with regulations! Down with scientific oversight! Laissez-faire!

Yeesh.

One of the only reasons most of our water is still drinkable and most of our air is still breathable is because of rules designed and administered by the EPA. Because of that, we should all thank that organization every time we take a drop from a faucet or inhale a lungful of fresh air. So if Trump succeeds in stockpiling his administration with those who will do anything in their power to prevent continued regulation, or to cease all climate science activities, he may run into a few more roadblocks than he anticipates. This is life, after all, not an episode of "The Apprentice."
I spent all day planting trees today, I'm so happy to find that the post has finally surfaced.

Thank you, gentlemen very well documented and said.
Quoting 100. hotroddan:

To begin with I am not a Trump fan nor am I a Hillary fan and I believe that all the Anti-Trump "Protesters" need to accept the fact that Trump won fair and square with a democratic system.


I disagree. Voter cross-check in states run by Republican governors invalidated 5% of Democratic voters in the states where Trump barely won.
From The Prospect of a New Dark Age: How President-elect Trump could affect our ability to understand our changing planet

"...[I]n an October op-ed in SpaceNow, two of Trump's leading advisers on space policy argued that NASA should cut spending on "politically correct environmental monitoring," which sucks up a third of the agency's budget, in favor of human missions to the far edge of the solar system.

"Consider, for a moment, the absurdity of this suggestion: that environmental monitoring is motivated by "political correctness." As though scientists do not have a natural interest in the ebbs and flows of atmospheric chemistry, and the carbon cycle that determines Earth's climate on long time scales. As though cloud formation, precipitation patterns, sea winds, and hurricanes are incidental to a deep understanding of the physical world. As though we should pay no mind to the frozen poles, or Greenland's ice sheet, or the glaciers that slip and slide in mountain valleys across the globe. As though we have no stake in the oceans' plankton blooms, or the health of its coral reefs. As though wildfires and soil moisture are immaterial. As though we do not depend, for our survival, on the good health of the vegetation that greens our continents.

"The work of NASA's Earth Science division is part of an intellectual tradition that precedes so-called "political correctness" by millennia. The experiments that Trump's advisors dismiss are born of a long empirical march from antiquity, when the Earth was proven round, to the Scientific Revolution, when it was dislodged from the world's center, to the Enlightenment, when geologists began to grasp its extreme age, on through to today's satellites and stratosphere-scraping planes, which track the intricacies of its most dynamic systems. The close, patient study of this planet has nothing to do with the passing fashions of political speech in the here and now.
I think we get a major hurricane in the Caribbean that threatens Nicaragua then Curves North and Northeast...we will see how close it gets to the Caymans...FL should be safe with all the troughs coming down, but Cuba and East of FL may see impacts...obviously far out but guessing is always how I roll

Gonna be some exciting times for us WunderKidCayman!!!

Hopefully people don't die. That would be sad.
Quoting 121. Snacker2:



I disagree. Voter cross-check in states run by Republican governors invalidated 5% of Democratic voters in the states where Trump barely won.
And denigrating profanity and lies is not what I would call fair..jmo
Quoting 109. Patrap:

A simple diagram explains it all.





666


See what I just did?


Its a revelation maybe?


Trump DAT.

😯
You win the internet.
Quoting 106. OKsky:



Where do you think all this CO2 is coming from or do you think that is irrelevant for some reason?

Co2 is coming from Volcanoes, Wildfires, Animals, and Humans.
Quoting 115. CaribBoy:

WKC is obviously very happy this afternoon!


What makes you think that

And no I'm not
Link
significantly more CO2 in the atmosphere would cause cooling not warming.
Quoting 123. GrandCaymanMed:

I think we get a major hurricane in the Caribbean that threatens Nicaragua then Curves North and Northeast...we will see how close it gets to the Caymans...FL should be safe with all the troughs coming down, but Cuba and East of FL may see impacts...obviously far out but guessing is always how I roll

Gonna be some exciting times for us WunderKidCayman!!!

Hopefully people don't die. That would be sad.


I agree

I thinking Classic MH Paula MH Paloma type track
Whatever it takes to get funding
131. OKsky
Quoting 126. hotroddan:


Co2 is coming from Volcanoes, Wildfires, Animals, and Humans.


Ok, Sure. Now what about the huge increase of CO2 levels in the past 150 yrs? Is that from more Volcanoes, Wildfires and Animals or is that from increased human activity? Or do you disagree that there has been a huge increase?
Quoting 126. hotroddan:


Co2 is coming from Volcanoes, Wildfires, Animals, and Humans.


Yes, but not from the burning of fossil fuels? BTW, when you say humans, that is an anthropogenic means.
Quoting 118. Neapolitan:

There are some who still cling to the misguided fantasy that if all environmental regulations were suddenly lifted, the Great And Powerful Free Hand Of The Market™ would see ushered in a gentler era of sparkling clean air and sweet crystal blue waters, all courtesy of the benevolent corporations taking over.

This fantasy has, of course, absolutely no basis in fact.

Corporations both here and abroad have proven over hundreds of years that, as a whole, they can absolutely not be trusted to look out for anything other than their bottom line. Sad but true. If left to their own devices, corporations would doubtless do what they've always done in the past: violently bulldoze over and through anything and everything that stands in the way of their making a dollar. Virgin, old-growth forests? Sawdust. Unadulterated groundwaters? A toxic mix of fracking fluid and agricultural runoff. Clear skies? An unbreathable brownish-gray haze. But that's all fine; at least shareholders are earning great dividends this year, and isn't that what really matters anyway?

There's long been an awful lot of intensely hyperbolic vitriol blasting from one end of the political spectrum where the environment is concerned. The Clean Water Act? Arbitrary! The Clean Air Act? Dictatorial! Corporations have all our interests at heart; down with regulations! Down with scientific oversight! Laissez-faire!

Yeesh.

One of the only reasons most of our water is still drinkable and most of our air is still breathable is because of rules designed and administered by the EPA. Because of that, we should all thank that organization every time we take a drop from a faucet or inhale a lungful of fresh air. So if Trump succeeds in stockpiling his administration with those who will do anything in their power to prevent continued regulation, or to cease all climate science activities, he may run into a few more roadblocks than he anticipates. This is life, after all, not an episode of "The Apprentice."
Good afternoon Nea...To be quick.. This comment could be applied in the food and medical field as well..Believe me when I say, your health takes the back seat of the bus where profits are concerned, and your food is controlled by the same no pity, hive minded, greedy people. The water we drink is not as good as it should be, and if there is chlorine and fluoride in it, your body will suffer for it in the long run..Your skin absorbs it, when it steams, you breath it, and when you drink it, you circulate it...Sad thing is, there have been healthy replacements that could actually extend the life of humans and creatures alike, but healthy people and animals cut into profits all around the board.
Everyone just needs to relax. People just love blowing everything up. I bet 60-70% of the people that are protesting did not even take the time to vote and now they protest cause their friends or family tell them to. If people would seriously try to find jobs and make money so they can contribute to their family and society instead of pulling innocent people out of cars and breaking their windshields things would be so much better. But I understand people want a free handout and now they think they will actually have to work. Just chill everyone and lets try to get along the peaceful way!
Quoting 129. wunderkidcayman:



I agree

I thinking Classic MH Paula MH Paloma type track

Agreed i said this earlier i think this could be a michelle paloma or fox.
Quoting 131. OKsky:



Ok, Sure. Now what about the huge increase of CO2 levels in the past 150 yrs? Is that from more Volcanoes, Wildfires and Animals or is that from increased human activity? Or do you disagree that there has been a huge increase?

I don't think humans have accurate methods of determining the co2 from that long ago.
Quoting 127. wunderkidcayman:



What makes you think that

And no I'm not
Quoting 132. Some1Has2BtheRookie:



Yes, but not from the burning of fossil fuels? BTW, when you say humans, that is an anthropogenic means.

Just because humans produce CO2 doesn't mean that humans cause Climate change.
Quoting 128. hotroddan:

significantly more CO2 in the atmosphere would cause cooling not warming.
Oh, no, see what happens when you bring the baseless, right-leaning opinions of a professional denialist into an actual climate discussion? Ferrara's thoughts on climate science are about as valid as my dog's thoughts on astrophysics. Which is to say: absolutely worthless.

Try again, please.
Quoting 100. hotroddan:

To begin with I am not a Trump fan nor am I a Hillary fan and I believe that all the Anti-Trump "Protesters" need to accept the fact that Trump won fair and square with a democratic system. I do believe the Earth's climate is changing and warming but I don't believe that Humans are the cause of it. We simply do not have enough data to support the theory that the "Climate Change" that is going on now is anything significant or worth worrying about. Humans should be good stewards to the Earth and there is nothing wrong with recycling, solar power, conserving water, and that sort of thing, but when everyone goes crazy trying to stop the use of Coal entirely and banning plastic bags (such as those in grocery stores) that is where we stop caring about the Earth and it become entirely Propaganda driven. (I know that I will get a lot of hate from everyone on this blog for this post but if you make an opinion based post I feel the need to speak my opinion too.) I would love to have a calm friendly debate on "Climate Change" with someone if you are interested.


Do you understand the thermodynamics behind global warming? If so, how do you square that with not considering it to be true? If you don't understand the thermodynamics, why do you think that your opinion should be considered ahead of those that do?
141. ackee
I think Otto Or what ever becomes of that system in the SW carrbbean will track slow and very erratic I think we'll into next week we could be tracking this system streering current will be weak someone going to hit hard by the system
Quoting 139. Neapolitan:

Oh, no, see what happens when you bring the baseless, right-leaning opinions of a professional denialist into an actual climate discussion? Ferrara's thoughts on climate science are about as valid as my dog's thoughts on astrophysics. Which is to say: absolutely worthless.

Try again, please.


The mental image of your dog contemplating the rate of which a black hole loses mass through Hawking radiation is absolutely hilarious.
Quoting 140. OviedoWatcher:



Do you understand the thermodynamics behind global warming? If so, how do you square that with not considering it to be true? If you don't understand the thermodynamics, why do you think that your opinion should be considered ahead of those that do?

I understand the thermodynamics about as much as most ordinary people do.
Quoting 139. Neapolitan:

Oh, no, see what happens when you bring the baseless, right-leaning opinions of a professional denialist into an actual climate discussion? Ferrara's thoughts on climate science are about as valid as my dog's thoughts on astrophysics. Which is to say: absolutely worthless.

Try again, please.

what do you mean by "baseless"? can you please elaborate?
HWRF makes 90L a major hurricane, for what it's worth.

Quoting 144. hotroddan:


what do you mean by "baseless"? can you please elaborate?


You posted an article of guy who expressed his opinion of something he absolutely has no conditionals in.

We only accept Peer Reviewed Science here, since it is conformed by the all the various scientific disciplines that provide the foundation to the science of Climate Change.
Quoting 138. hotroddan:


Just because humans produce CO2 doesn't mean that humans cause Climate change.
Yes, but human overpopulation does, and will continue to do so until we find a solution to overpopulation.
Quoting 128. hotroddan:

Link
significantly more CO2 in the atmosphere would cause cooling not warming.


Did you not notice that the Forbe's article was written as an opinion piece? It is also an opinion piece that was written over 4 years ago.

You may also find this interesting concerning the author of the OP-ED piece.

I am not going to debate what you choose to believe. You are free to hold to your beliefs. You said that you wanted to debate climate change and not that you wanted to debate an opinion piece.
Quoting 144. hotroddan:


what do you mean by "baseless"? can you please elaborate?
Sure. Ferrara is not a scientist. Not in an sense of the word. (Not even in his own words: "I am not a scientist, and write primarily on economics, tax policy and budget issues") He's part of the Heartland Institute, an ultra-conservative organization funded to the tune of tens of millions of dollars by ExxonMobil and the Koch Brothers. So, any opinion on science that escapes the lips of someone like Ferrara, a non-scientist lawyer hired by the Fossil Fuel industry to cast doubt on actual climate science, is one you are very safe in ignoring.
Wasn't this the same blog post pulled the day after the election?

I visit this blog for WEATHER information..... very disappointed.
I thought this is where we come to get updates on tropical weather not the Glen Beck or Shawn Hannity Show. Let's stick to Weather not right or left wing politics!
Quoting 143. hotroddan:


I understand the thermodynamics about as much as most ordinary people do.



Could you explain it then, and then follow up with how increased greenhouse gasses would not cause global warming? I am not trying to have a go at you, but whenever someone here says they would like a calm debate on AGW, they never explain their basis for not believing it is happening in scientific terms. I would sincerely be interested in your answer.
Quoting 144. hotroddan:


what do you mean by "baseless"? can you please elaborate?
Please, for your own sake, put these people on your special list, and forget it.
Quoting 150. tenelson99:

Wasn't this the same blog post pulled the day after the election?

I visit this blog for WEATHER information..... very disappointed.


I'm posting about weather :(
Quoting 150. tenelson99:

Wasn't this the same blog post pulled the day after the election?

I visit this blog for WEATHER information..... very disappointed.
I agree with you 100%,
156. OKsky
Quoting 136. hotroddan:


I don't think humans have accurate methods of determining the co2 from that long ago.


Are you sure about that?

"Methods

At the Bern laboratory, four to six samples of approximately 8 grams from each depth level (0.55m intervals) in the ice core are crushed under vacuum conditions. The sample container is connected to a cold trap for several minutes to release air from the clathrates and the air is then expanded to a measuring cell where a laser measures absorption in a vibration–rotation transition line of the CO2 molecule. Calibration is done using a CO2-in-air standard gas of 251.65 parts per million by volume (ppmv) scaled on the WMO mole fraction scale. At Grenoble (Laboratory of Glaciology, Geophysics and Environment) one to three ice samples of about 40 grams each are crushed under vacuum conditions, and after about 20 minutes the extracted gas is expanded in the sample loop of a gas chromatograph and analyzed. Depending on the amount of extracted air, three to five successive analyses are done. To avoid possible effects of water-vapor interference, the CO2 ratio is calculated as the ratio of the CO2 peak to the air (O2 + N2) peak. Calibration is done using an Air Liquide standard scaled on CSIRO standards (172.8 ppmv, 260.3 ppmv, and 321.1 ppmv). Uncertainty is a few ppmv; measurement error for the Bern laboratory is given in the data file, and the Grenoble Lab generally compares within a few ppmv for the common time interval."
I agree, nobody is going to change anyone else's mind about global warming or left or right wing politics. Stop it! Stop it now! Go listen to Am Radio and leave this website alone. Stop I Said! Stop IT!
Quoting 128. hotroddan:

Link
significantly more CO2 in the atmosphere would cause cooling not warming.

That's so patently false, it's beyond laughable. CO2 is PROVEN in repeatable experiment after experiment to reflect infrared radiation. Please.
Quoting 150. tenelson99:

Wasn't this the same blog post pulled the day after the election?

I visit this blog for WEATHER information..... very disappointed.


The imminent acceleration of climate change has everything to do with the weather and our well being. But the topic of politics is a bit.... annoying. So you are right to feel that way.
Quoting 121. Snacker2:



I disagree. Voter cross-check in states run by Republican governors invalidated 5% of Democratic voters in the states where Trump barely won.
we are going to make america great again! respect the people who voted.
Quoting 118. Neapolitan:

Corporations both here and abroad have proven over hundreds of years that, as a whole, they can absolutely not be trusted to look out for anything other than their bottom line.


And frankly, why should they? They don't exist to take care of people (unless, I suppose, they are in an industry intended to do just that..) They don't exist to make the world a better place. They don't exist to protect the environment. They exist to make a profit. They produce things and create products. The cheaper way to do so the better, and so regulations brought by EPA or otherwise bring barriers to the fastest, easiest, and most profitable way to make and keep costumers.

One does not need a PhD in economic theory, or define themselves as a Democrat or Republican to be able to think critically and clearly and engage in discussion and conversation on a level that transcends regurgitation of impulse and degradation of other opinions.

To me, it's clear that to "make America great again," it requires a balance of the basic principles of free-market capitalism with the oversight and regulation of government entities. Only in this way can we be assured of a future that is rich in both product and nature. A wealthy world devoid of nature is as ugly a place as I can imagine, and a pristine world that lacks competition, drive, and the will to create and produce is not a place I want to live.

Thank you for your blog entry Dr. Masters and Mr. Henson, and your always well-thought out reply Nea. I encourage you all, and all others that so passionately defend the need to address climate change to consider how and why the other side may be rallying against it. Without an open mind and the ability to understand and appreciate an opposing viewpoint (perhaps regardless of how the other side presents it), you'll often feel like you're banging your head against a wall.

EDIT: I suppose I should modify my comment to clarify my position here: an governmental entity such as the EPA is crucial and necessary to protect the earth. It WILL impact corporation profits, and it should. My comment came across as defending free-market capitalism a bit too strongly.
Quoting 151. kuppenskup:

I thought this is where we come to get updates on tropical weather not the Glen Beck or Shawn Hannity Show. Let's stick to Weather not right or left wing politics!

Actually, it is the Jeff Masters and Bob Henson show. I'd assume people come here to read what they have to say about a range of topics related to weather and climate. I know I do. Blog on, gentlemen.

Quoting 159. isothunder67:



The imminent acceleration of climate change has everything to do with the weather and our well being. But the topic of politics is a bit.... annoying. So you are right to feel that way.


I agree with talking about climate change- that is definitely fair play.... I am just so sick of the politics!!

Quoting 138. hotroddan:


Just because humans produce CO2 doesn't mean that humans cause Climate change.

Hey Guys, you wanna make America Great Again? Then go listen to Am Radio, call in and let's get back to the disturbance in the Gulf!
Quoting 109. Patrap:

A simple diagram explains it all.





666


See what I just did?


Its a revelation maybe?


Trump DAT.

😯
dude thats cool...
Quoting 126. hotroddan:


Co2 is coming from Volcanoes, Wildfires, Animals, and Humans.


This isn't a good argument. We know how much coal, oil, gas the world is burning, and we know how much CO2 those sources emit. It far outpaces any natural sources and measured increases of CO2 in the atmosphere match up with this knowledge. You cannot find any facts or evidence that successfully debate this point.

We know CO2 is a greenhouse gas, and the amount of heat it traps (easily reproduced by experiments, can't debate this either).

The increase in average global land/sea temperatures that we are measuring correlate closely with the expected effect of CO2 trapping heat from the sun.

So knowing these points, what is the unknown miracle factor that is preventing global warming? Should we just have faith in some unknown miracle process or accept the obvious?
Native Son #147 ... We WILL see the 'solution' to overpopulation as a direct result of AGW –– Global Famine, which will precipitate Global Warfare, either way the population will drop.
Quoting 160. Tampa969mlb:

we are going to make america great again! respect the people who voted.

More than half of them voted for somebody other than Trump. I can respect that.

Added - Maybe not so much the Jill Stein voters. If they had voted for Hillary instead, she would have taken Wisconsin and Michigan.



Quoting 145. CybrTeddy:

HWRF makes 90L a major hurricane, for what it's worth.




Yeah but where is it going??
For Tampa969:


61. aquak9
1:23 PM EST on November 15, 2016
20+

Quoting 35. Tampa969mlb:
I SEE A LOT OF ELECTION denial going on here...we elected a great new president! at least if you don't like him give it a year and see what gets done.


He teased another human with a physical disability. What's so great about that? Unless you're into teasing people with disabilities.

And you still won't answer to this- What is so great about making fun of people with disabilities?
174. OKsky
"Gah the nerve of people talking about Climate Change Politics on a post tagged Climate Change Politics!
How can we ever make america great again like it was in 1861 if you expect us to base all of our assertions regarding science topics in published science? Doesn't talk radio mean anything anymore?" =P
175. elioe
Quoting 158. BayFog:


That's so patently false, it's beyond laughable. CO2 is PROVEN in repeatable experiment after experiment to reflect infrared radiation. Please.


???
You mean "absorb" and "emit"?
Quoting 158. BayFog:


That's so patently false, it's beyond laughable. CO2 is PROVEN in repeatable experiment after experiment to reflect infrared radiation. Please.


CO2 does not reflect. It absorbs and emits. Because it emits the sky "glows" at IR frequencies adding a watt or two per square meter to total incoming radiation. It is not a blanket. It is a radiator.

It is true that water vapor is a much larger term in the IR budget. Without water vapor and at current albedo Earth would be at radiative equilibrium at near 0F rather than the 55-60F such equilibrium occurs now. C02 adds another degree F or so to this equilibrium, increased water vapor from the warmer temperatures adds most of the rest because it also increases downward IR flux. Both additions are increasing as expected from physics understood since the nineteenth century.

Quoting 160. Tampa969mlb:

we are going to make america great again! respect the people who voted.


Hillary Clinton received more votes than Donald Trump. Not sure if that was sarcasm or not. Pardon if it was.
Quoting 169. GreatSlaveLake:

Native Son #147 ... We WILL see the 'solution' to overpopulation as a direct result of AGW –– Global Famine, which will precipitate Global Warfare, either way the population will drop.
and in a big way its happen before it will happen again not a matter of if but when
Quoting 138. hotroddan:


Just because humans produce CO2 doesn't mean that humans cause Climate change.


Yes, actually, it does. The amount of research and evidence that supports such is as credible as what has led to the development of computers, smart phones, and many other modern advances.

Talking about climate change science being wrong while using a PC is more ironic than you realize.

Unfortunately, if the world hits the tipping point where feedback warming spirals into a dangerous direction because of too many people ignoring the problem until it's too late, "I told you so" won't even be enjoyable.
Quoting 177. georgevandenberghe:



CO2 does not reflect. It absorbs and emits. Because it emits the sky "glows" at IR frequencies adding a watt or two per square meter to total incoming radiation. It is not a blanket. It is a radiator.

It is true that water vapor is a much larger term in the IR budget. Without water vapor and at current albedo Earth would be at radiative equilibrium at near 0F rather than the 55-60F such equilibrium occurs now. C02 adds another degree F or so to this equilibrium, increased water vapor from the warmer temperatures adds most of the rest because it also increases downward IR flux. Both additions are increasing as expected from physics understood since the nineteenth century.


Good afternoon G...I find you comment a little misleading, it absorbs and emits, but does indeed act like a blanket too... blankets trap our body heat and make our beds warmer than they would be if our body heat could escape directly to the air in the room. The Greenhouse Effect acts in the same way.
Quoting 181. hydrus:

Good afternoon G...I find you comment a little misleading, it absorbs and emits, but does indeed act like a blanket too... blankets trap our body heat and make our beds warmer than they would be if our body heat could escape directly to the air in the room. The Greenhouse Effect acts in the same way.
that sounds like a test got too go get some sheets 402 add one at a time and see how warm it gets as each one is added while under it an experiment thanks hydrus I will let you know how it goes tomorrow
185. elioe
Quoting 177. georgevandenberghe:



CO2 does not reflect. It absorbs and emits. Because it emits the sky "glows" at IR frequencies adding a watt or two per square meter to total incoming radiation. It is not a blanket. It is a radiator.

It is true that water vapor is a much larger term in the IR budget. Without water vapor and at current albedo Earth would be at radiative equilibrium at near 0F rather than the 55-60F such equilibrium occurs now. C02 adds another degree F or so to this equilibrium, increased water vapor from the warmer temperatures adds most of the rest because it also increases downward IR flux. Both additions are increasing as expected from physics understood since the nineteenth century.




Here's an image from Wikipedia.



Doesn't seem like CO2 would contribute only 1 F. What I've always thought, is that water vapor contributes 20 K and carbon dioxide 10 K of greenhouse effect. Of course, they can't exactly be even separated linearly... depends on which gas you "add first".
Quoting 147. NativeSun:

Yes, but human overpopulation does, and will continue to do so until we find a solution to overpopulation.

Overpopulation will fix itself because problems like epidemics and famine will kill off people lowering the population.
Quoting 178. Snacker2:



Hillary Clinton received more votes than Donald Trump. Not sure if that was sarcasm or not. Pardon if it was.

Based on this commenter's previous posts, it most definitely was not sarcasm. Irony seems lost on Trump and his supporters.
Quoting 150. tenelson99:

Wasn't this the same blog post pulled the day after the election?

I visit this blog for WEATHER information..... very disappointed.


then don't read it. How bloody hard is that? When I see something I don't want to read, I don't. This isn't Russia, yet, we aren't forced to read anything we don't want to.
Quoting 156. OKsky:



Are you sure about that?

"Methods

At the Bern laboratory, four to six samples of approximately 8 grams from each depth level (0.55m intervals) in the ice core are crushed under vacuum conditions. The sample container is connected to a cold trap for several minutes to release air from the clathrates and the air is then expanded to a measuring cell where a laser measures absorption in a vibration–rotation transition line of the CO2 molecule. Calibration is done using a CO2-in-air standard gas of 251.65 parts per million by volume (ppmv) scaled on the WMO mole fraction scale. At Grenoble (Laboratory of Glaciology, Geophysics and Environment) one to three ice samples of about 40 grams each are crushed under vacuum conditions, and after about 20 minutes the extracted gas is expanded in the sample loop of a gas chromatograph and analyzed. Depending on the amount of extracted air, three to five successive analyses are done. To avoid possible effects of water-vapor interference, the CO2 ratio is calculated as the ratio of the CO2 peak to the air (O2 + N2) peak. Calibration is done using an Air Liquide standard scaled on CSIRO standards (172.8 ppmv, 260.3 ppmv, and 321.1 ppmv). Uncertainty is a few ppmv; measurement error for the Bern laboratory is given in the data file, and the Grenoble Lab generally compares within a few ppmv for the common time interval."

We cannot confirm this method because there is basically NO other method for determining the CO2 in the atmosphere. For example actually taking a sample of air at a specific time.
From Pole to Pole, Global Sea Ice Values are Plummeting
During the record hot year of 2016, both Arctic and Antarctic sea ice extents took a huge hit.

Extreme warmth in the Arctic helped to produce leading losses there. Values that began during January at 1 million square kilometers below average have steadily declined as the months progressed to near 2 million square kilometers below average. Meanwhile, the Antarctic — which began the year at near average sea ice extent values — saw significant losses as the region grew anomalously warm during austral spring. Today, sea ice extent values surrounding the Antarctic are now also just shy of 2 million square kilometers below average.


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Quoting 189. hotroddan:


We cannot confirm this method because there is basically NO other method for determining the CO2 in the atmosphere. For example actually taking a sample of air at a specific time.

Sure they can, I'm sure they've tested the process against ice samples formed with known atmospheric CO2 concentrations.
If people really want to be pedantic, I suspect that CO2 has some reflective properties. I mean, what is the difference between scattering and reflecting? Light is scattered by the atmospheric components when it is reflected off of the molecules. Some of the scattered light winds up going back to space--giving us a blue planet.

Wikipedia: "In conventional use, [scattering] also includes deviation of reflected radiation from the angle predicted by the law of reflection. Reflections that undergo scattering are often called diffuse reflections and unscattered reflections are called specular (mirror-like) reflections"

But I agree with Hydrus. Using our full mental faculties for analogies and abstract thinking, CO2 does act like a blanket.
Quoting 164. Xandra:




I already see a problem with the video. Most of earth's oxygen is not produced by Trees it is produced by Plankton in the ocean.
Quoting 157. kuppenskup:

I agree, nobody is going to change anyone else's mind about global warming or left or right wing politics. Stop it! Stop it now! Go listen to Am Radio and leave this website alone. Stop I Said! Stop IT!

I highly recommend you take your own advice.
Quoting 191. pipelines:


Sure they can, I'm sure they've tested the process against ice samples formed with known atmospheric CO2 concentrations.

Yes but nobody back 150 years took an air sample and tested the sample right then. We can't really prove the accuracy of taking gas samples out of ice. Plus that is just at the Polls of the Earth so it really is not a good representation of Global levels.
Quoting 171. kestrel68:
More than half of them voted for somebody other than Trump. I can respect that.

Added - Maybe not so much the Jill Stein voters. If they had voted for Hillary instead, she would have taken Wisconsin and Michigan.
The only person who might have been as loony as Trump was Jill Stein.
If we want science to prevail then we need to get rid of common core.
i grew up with a vocational school in the area. Auto mechanics, cosmetology, introductory health care, welding, plumbing and such were taught at the vocational school. Not everyone is cut out for college or wants a college education. The careers that these people were able to enter are vital to our survival.
ESL (at higher grade levels) and common core are inhibiting our children.
I know this is not a popular view but its how I feel.

And when did civics stop being taught?

Quoting 195. hotroddan:


Yes but nobody back 150 years took an air sample and tested the sample right then. We can't really prove the accuracy of taking gas samples out of ice. Plus that is just at the Polls of the Earth so it really is not a good representation of Global levels.


They can test newer ice that formed with known atmospheric co2 concentrations.

You do realize they can measure CO2 concentrations at the poles as well right? To see the difference with our other measuring sites?
Quoting 190. RobertWC:

From Pole to Pole, Global Sea Ice Values are Plummeting
During the record hot year of 2016, both Arctic and Antarctic sea ice extents took a huge hit.

Extreme warmth in the Arctic helped to produce leading losses there. Values that began during January at 1 million square kilometers below average have steadily declined as the months progressed to near 2 million square kilometers below average. Meanwhile, the Antarctic — which began the year at near average sea ice extent values — saw significant losses as the region grew anomalously warm during austral spring. Today, sea ice extent values surrounding the Antarctic are now also just shy of 2 million square kilometers below average.


Link

a href="http://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/antarcti c-sea-ice-reaches-new-record-maximum"
target="_blank">Link
I know this article is a few years old but I just wanted to make the point that while the Arctic Ice sheet is melting the Antarctic ice sheet is growing.
Quoting 150. tenelson99:

Wasn't this the same blog post pulled the day after the election?

I visit this blog for WEATHER information..... very disappointed.

The rules of this blog are available for anyone to see. These rules have been in force for quite some time, so it is difficult to understand why you should be in any way disappointed.
Quoting 199. hotroddan:


a href="http://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/antarcti c-sea-ice-reaches-new-record-maximum"
target="_blank">Link
I know this article is a few years old but I just wanted to make the point that while the Arctic Ice sheet is melting the Antarctic ice sheet is growing.

When was the last time you checked this year's data?
Quoting 199. hotroddan:


a href="http://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/antarcti c-sea-ice-reaches-new-record-maximum"
target="_blank">Link
I know this article is a few years old but I just wanted to make the point that while the Arctic Ice sheet is melting the Antarctic ice sheet is growing.


It has been growing, but at a much slower rate than the arctic loss so there is still a net global loss.

What's disturbing is that the antarctic also lost ice this year, if that continues sea level rise will occur at an even faster rate than what we have been seeing the last decade.
Quoting 14. Jedkins01:
... I've even encountered people in my major that deny climate change somehow just because they're scared to "betray" the Republican approach. It's frustrating how social pressure is often a major cause for people's views.
That's a good reason for people to take action in their own lives against CO2 pollution and its effects and not wait for someone to come along and hand them a solution (the so-called systemic change). People have to create their own social pressure by setting an example.
For The Arctic Ocean Above 80 North, It’s Still Summer in November

For in the Arctic Ocean above the 80 degree north latitude line which encircles the crest of our world, temperatures today are around 17 degrees Celsius above average. These are the warmest temperatures for this region ever recorded. And they include numerous locations in which temperatures spike to well above 20 C (36 F) warmer than average.

Link
The first big outbreak of the lake effect machine, this winter with great lake temps much warmer than average it could be a memorable one.



coastwatch
Go home GFS, you are drunk. But seriously, 916mb?!?!? Holy Frig!!
Quoting 195. hotroddan:


Yes but nobody back 150 years took an air sample and tested the sample right then. We can't really prove the accuracy of taking gas samples out of ice. Plus that is just at the Polls of the Earth so it really is not a good representation of Global levels.

Kinda like not knowing if dinosaurs ever existed because nobody was around to snap a photo of a Tyrannosaurus, right?
Haven't been here in a while, but I see the formation of Otto in the southwestern Caribbean Sea is likely over the coming days so I figured I'd stop by. The forecast environment is quite favorable, with low wind shear, abnormally warm ocean temperatures, and a strong convectively-coupled kelvin wave. If models do come to fruition, the cyclone could end up quite strong in the historically favorable area of the Atlantic during the month of November.

In terms of the blog post, if our fellow Americans are content with ignoring the threat of global warming, then I don't have anything else to say other than we deserve to live with the consequences.
Quoting 206. isothunder67:

Go home GFS, you are drunk. But seriously, 916mb?!?!? Holy Frig!!


how do you get the full res?
Quoting 207. kestrel68:


Kinda like not knowing if dinosaurs ever existed because nobody was around to snap a photo of a Tyrannosaurus, right?


I can see where you are going with this but not quite the same.
No matter if you were around millions of years ago to see a dinosaur one would never "see" CO2 not matter what year it is.
The Caymans can breathe again. GFS keeps the storm much further south than EURO. But in both case it is boring in the NE Caribbean :/
Quoting 210. justmehouston:



I can see where you are going with this but not quite the same.
No matter if you were around millions of years ago to see a dinosaur one would never "see" CO2 not matter what year it is.
Good point.
Quoting 172. Hester122:



Yeah but where is it going??


West :/
If you don't remember i'm brazilian and i bring info about the weather in the Brazil.

Forms in the Southwest of Rio de Janeiro, the Subtropical Depression 01Q. Navy expect to intensifies into the Subtropical Storm, the next name of "our season" and of the list is "Deni".

Max sustained winds: 35 mph
Min Central Air Pressure: 1002 mbar

2 people died in Rio de Janeiro (state) last night due to the landslide caused by heavy rainfall that affected that area since last friday (The precursor of 01Q). That's the first Subtropical or Tropical Cyclone that forms here since the Tropical Depression 01Q between January 5-7th 2016 and this is the 2nd occurence since the records begun in 1974 that a SD or TD forms during November month, the first was in November 17th 2010.





Forecast by Brazilian Navy:
PART TWO - WEATHER ANALYSIS AT 151200
HIGH 1030 16S017W. C-FRONT 45S049W, 42S053W, 38S060W AND 35S067W MOVING AT 10/15 KT TO E/NE.
SUBTROPICAL DEPRESSION AT 24S044W WITH CENTRAL PRESSION 1002 HPA, MOVING TO SOUTH, INTENSIFYING NEXT 12 HOURS. WIND FORCE 7/8 AND GUSTS FORCE 9/10 UP TO 400 NM AT EAST/NORTHEAST SECTOR AND UP TO 250 MN AT SOUTH/SOUTHEAST SECTOR OF CYCLONE.
PROGNOSIS CENTER OF CYCLONE:
160000 UTC – 1000 HPA AT 26S044W (SUBTROPICAL STORM).
161200 UTC – 998 HPA AT 29S043W (SUBTROPICAL STORM).

170000 UTC – 998 HPA AT 32S040W (SUBTROPICAL STORM IN TRANSITION TO EXTRATROPICAL CYCLONE).
INTERTROPICAL CONVERGENCE ZONE (ITCZ) 07N020W, 08N030W, 09N040W AND 09N050W.
Lenny's ghost is gone :(
Quoting 209. Weatherfan1013:


how do you get the full res?


Quoting 204. RobertWC:

For The Arctic Ocean Above 80 North, It’s Still Summer in November

For in the Arctic Ocean above the 80 degree north latitude line which encircles the crest of our world, temperatures today are around 17 degrees Celsius above average. These are the warmest temperatures for this region ever recorded. And they include numerous locations in which temperatures spike to well above 20 C (36 F) warmer than average.

Link


Not only spike to those extreme anomalies but stay there, for weeks it seems. Plus the unsettling super cold and snowy conditions in Siberia for the last month and forecast for weeks yet to come. This all leads to a weak and split or displaced Polar Vortex which threatens to if nothing else, confound the weather models. There aren't many good analogous years to look at (I hope someone shows me one). DR Judah Cohen and Dr Jennifer Francis have much to say about this stuff, I'm sooo out of my league, but I thank them and our gracious hosts for pushing the boundaries of science and educating some (but not enough!) of us as well.
Quoting 160. Tampa969mlb:

we are going to make america great again! respect the people who voted.


?? Total vote for the 2016 Election as per FOX NEWS. Which I'm sure is your #1 source for top quality accurate, they report you decide news.

Democrat 61,391,139
Republican 60,612,280


So how are we respecting the majority that voted again??? just going off YOUR reasoning or do you think like our future .....

All three branches of government are controlled by the party that is in the minority in that vote....!

This is coming from me, a moderate conservative talking. Just my 2 cents.

Quoting 216. isothunder67:





Thanks
Australian Senator rails against climate conspiracy in 42-page report
Ars Technica - Nov 10.

There is, sadly, no shortage of politicians who reject the conclusions of climate science, and that rejection frequently relies on amateurish and conspiratorial "debunkings" of actual science. So many have gone this route that it takes a lot to stand out from that crowd, but Australian Senator Malcolm Roberts managed it last weekend. (...)
221. ackee
So the Euro vs GFS final battle of the 2016 season the GFS has been saying what ever develop in the SW Carrbbean will impact central America while the Euro shows the system much further north in the western carrbb who will win this one stay tune
Quoting 210. justmehouston:



I can see where you are going with this but not quite the same.
No matter if you were around millions of years ago to see a dinosaur one would never "see" CO2 not matter what year it is.

Ah, but I didn't say see a Tyrannosaurus, I said "snap a photo." In other words, use a visible-light sensitive detector to record the spatial and spectral distribution of light emanating from an object. Not so different from using a IR spectrometer to measure the spectral distribution of IR light absorbed by a gas.
I was watching a Ken Burns documentary about how Huey Long came into power as a populist. Listening to Long very much reminds me of our President Elect. If you have time, take a little time and least watch the beginning of this documentary. Huey Long was assassinated in 1935 and in no way am I or anyone else are drawing any parallels in that aspect to our next President. Again, the most interesting part is how Long came into power.

Huey Long - Ken Burns America
Quoting 201. ACSeattle:


When was the last time you checked this year's data?


This years data





It looks like both Arctic and Antarctic ice are at record lows for the date.

The Nicaraguan Nadir.

Quoting 226. isothunder67:


Quoting 226. isothunder67:




That's kooky talk!
Quoting 226. isothunder67:



Last time nicaragua had a cat 5 landfall was felix in 2007 and did quite alot of damage and deaths


TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
700 PM EST TUE NOV 15 2016

For the North Atlantic...Caribbean Sea and the Gulf of Mexico:

1. A broad low pressure system located over the southwestern Caribbean
Sea continues to produce a large area of cloudiness and showers.
Environmental conditions are expected to be conducive for slow
development of this disturbance during the next several days, and a
tropical depression is likely to form late this week or over the
weekend while the low drifts generally northward.
* Formation chance through 48 hours...low...20 percent
* Formation chance through 5 days...high...80 percent
Quoting 221. ackee:

So the Euro vs GFS final battle of the 2016 season the GFS has been saying what ever develop in the SW Carrbbean will impact central America while the Euro shows the system much further north in the western carrbb who will win this one stay tune


Worth pointing out the last time that both the ECMWF and GFS showed this strong of a signal 7 days out was Matthew. Really need to pay attention the next few days.
Hurricane Mitch 1998

Link


Quoting 218. ILwthrfan:



?? Total vote for the 2016 as per FOX NEWS. Which I'm sure is your #1 source for top quality accurate, they report you decide news.

Democrat 61,391,139
Republican 60,612,280


So how are we respecting the majority that voted again??? just going off YOUR reasoning or do you think like our future .....

All three branches of government are controlled by the party that is in the minority in that vote....!

This is coming from me, a moderate conservative talking. Just my 2 cents.




The Founders always intended that the state not the people select the president. They purposely took the power out of the hands of the people because they believed the people were uninformed and didn't have the "political awareness when it came to selecting the president."
Link
Interesting quotes
"A popular election in this case is radically vicious. The ignorance of the people would put it in the power of some one set of men dispersed through the Union, and acting in concert, to delude them into any appointment." -- Delegate Gerry, July 25, 1787

"The extent of the country renders it impossible, that the people can have the requisite capacity to judge of the respective pretensions of the candidates." -- Delegate Mason, July 17, 1787

"The people are uninformed, and would be misled by a few designing men." -- Delegate Gerry, July 19, 1787

"They (The Founding Fathers) feared that placing unlimited power to elect the president into the politically naive hands of the people could lead to a "tyranny of the majority."

Is it time to change the system? Or is a lot of what the Founding Fathers believed still true about the general public? Who decides it's time to change the system? Do they want to change the current system?
235. JRRP7
Well I'm back

1) Because I'm super pumped about the likelihood of getting Otto in a few days
2) Because I thought that this was the one place where I could escape people fretting over the election.

Let the guy do what he thinks is best for America. We voted him in. I'm not all for being globalist. It would be better if we consciously became aware of Climate Change rather than having regulation shoved down our throats..

I do support Trump and I think he will make this country a heck of a lot greater than it is. Whether certain people want to realize it or not. We need a strong leader to take hold of all the problems that AMERICA has...THEN worry about the rest of the world.
What a JOKE! Come out of your SAFE SPACE and face reality...stop perptuating lies!!!
Active pattern forecast by the models for California starting Saturday and lasting at least thru the end of the month. Could be a whole lot of precip to add to October's record. And the climatologically wettest months are still ahead.
Link
Quoting 237. chrtucke:

What a JOKE! Come out of your SAFE SPACE and face reality...stop perptuating lies!!!


Agreed. Hate to break it to some people, but the real world isn't all happiness and good feelings.
240. elioe
Quoting 227. BaltimoreBrian:

The Nicaraguan Nadir.




2005 Beta on steroids.

And the Brazilian subtropical depression:

The Kids Suing the Government Over Climate Change Are Our Best Hope Now
Slate - Nov 14.

Luckily, they just cleared a major bar.
After a week that sent advocates of a habitable Earth reeling, new hope has emerged that could make way for substantial climate action in the near term-even during a Trump administration: The children and young adults suing the federal government for their right to a stable climate can now proceed to trial, an unprecedented move in the American legal system. (...)


NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) - Research (October 2016 temperature reanalysis just out)

A map of the October 2016 LOTI (land-ocean temperature index) anomaly, showing that the Arctic region was much warmer than average. The United States and North Africa were also relatively warm. The largest area of cooler temperatures stretched across Russia.

With October 2016 registering as the second warmest October in 136 years of modern record-keeping, the top three October temperature anomalies have occurred the past three years. (...)
Quoting 207. kestrel68:


Kinda like not knowing if dinosaurs ever existed because nobody was around to snap a photo of a Tyrannosaurus, right?

Scientist have skeletons of Dinosaurs which is more substantial and concrete evidence than some gas in ice. It is possible that the gas trapped in ice could have had it's chemistry changed between the time it was formed and the time it was tested.
Quoting 177. georgevandenberghe:



CO2 does not reflect. It absorbs and emits. Because it emits the sky "glows" at IR frequencies adding a watt or two per square meter to total incoming radiation. It is not a blanket. It is a radiator.

It is true that water vapor is a much larger term in the IR budget. Without water vapor and at current albedo Earth would be at radiative equilibrium at near 0F rather than the 55-60F such equilibrium occurs now. C02 adds another degree F or so to this equilibrium, increased water vapor from the warmer temperatures adds most of the rest because it also increases downward IR flux. Both additions are increasing as expected from physics understood since the nineteenth century.



Yes, of course. I used the term "reflection" loosely. The net effect of trapping infrared radiation emitted from the surface of the Earth upon exposure to visible and ultraviolet radiation is loosely analogous.
Most of the people that I've spoken to (no matter who they voted for) the last thing they were worried about was CC.Most brought up issues like equal rights/pay,the LBGT community,affordable higher education,the rising cost of living,affordable housing,racism,gun control,immigration/refugee crises and most importantly jobs.Depending on the candidate that agreed with most of their issues that's who they chose.The last thing most of them thought about was CC.Should people be more aware of CC/GW? yes but that wasn't the main driving force into why people voted the way that they did.
I wanted Bernie but I support Trump as I would do Clinton. Not because he's leader material but because 49% of people shouldn't be thrown under the bus. Just like climate change shouldn't be thrown under the bus.

I still stand by my "in poor taste" comment which is not aimed at 1 or 2 people but several hard liners on here. I find some things even hypocritical. The computer models we trust in are provided by super computers. Does anyone know how much power is consumed into those super computers? How much heat it gives off and the cool system needed to keep it stable? Just because we can view this webpage on a raspberry pi doesn't mean the information of the internet is 100% greener or rather it doesn't come without a price than a desktop computer. Imagine how laughable it would be if I said lets pull the plug on the hurricane models cause they're contributing to AGW and the stronger cane we are witnessing.

I do agree though we should continue to make greener machines and processes but bilaterally. Even if you have to work with your archnemesis. Its near if not impossible to everyone agree on an issue but if we can have at least 85% of an agreement instead of 50% on something, its progress.

Anyways I'll just leave for a bit with this classy response to Wolf Blitzer from Bernie on whether the election outcome would be different if he won the nomination. "What good does it do now?"
Quoting 244. washingtonian115:

Most of the people that I've spoken to (no matter who they voted for) the last thing they were worried about was CC.Most brought up issues like equal rights/pay,the LBGT community,affordable higher education,the rising cost of living,affordable housing,racism,gun control,immigration/refugee crises and most importantly jobs.Depending on the candidate that agreed with most of their issues that's who they chose.The last thing most of them thought about was CC.Should people be more aware of CC/GW? yes but that wasn't the main driving force into why people voted the way that they did.


Amen to your post washi ...I was thinking about the same thing as I caught up on other posts.
If the only issue were AGW CC then I think the election would have turned out differently
@237

You're the one getting tensed up over this, maybe you should go in your safe space.
Quoting 242. hotroddan:


Scientist have skeletons of Dinosaurs which is more substantial and concrete evidence than some gas in ice. It is possible that the gas trapped in ice could have had it's chemistry changed between the time it was formed and the time it was tested.

care to elaborate on that one? what are the physics behind that claim?
We hope it comes this way we need the rain it hasn't really rained here in almost a month in what is our rainy season. Scary stuff
00Z Model Guidance...

It's going into Central America before it can really ramp up giving them rain that we need
Quoting 232. CybrTeddy:



Worth pointing out the last time that both the ECMWF and GFS showed this strong of a signal 7 days out was Matthew. Really need to pay attention the next few days.
Quoting 252. 19N81W:

It's going into Central America before it can really ramp up giving them rain that we need


Until there is a closed low no one knows what will become of this area of disturbed weather or where it may go.
Guys please I urge you to stop arguing about politics. The longer we keep this election in mind the more our already divided country becomes. Trump won the election fair and square and as much as you and I may not like it we have to get over it. Your insight will not change the election, please put it behind us and start the mending process of this great country. And for god sakes it's a meteorological blog with a possible tropical storm/hurricane in the Caribbean in a weeks time, let's discuss that more not politics. Sorry for even talking about this I just hate looking at this blog I thoroughly enjoy reading filled will political comments.
Quoting 254. masiello3:

Guys please I urge you to stop arguing about politics. The longer we keep this election in mind the more our already divided country becomes. Trump won the election fair and square and as much as you and I may not like it we have to get over it. Your insight will not change the election, please put it behind us and start the mending process of this great country. And for god sakes it's a meteorological blog with a possible tropical storm/hurricane in the Caribbean in a weeks time, let's discuss that more not politics. Sorry for even talking about this I just hate looking at this blog I thoroughly enjoy reading filled will political comments.

I think that what you meant to say was that you don't like reading a blog written by Dr.Masters and Mr. Henson that conflicts with your views on AGW.
Quoting 236. JrWeathermanFL:

Well I'm back

1) Because I'm super pumped about the likelihood of getting Otto in a few days
2) Because I thought that this was the one place where I could escape people fretting over the election.

Let the guy do what he thinks is best for America. We voted him in. I'm not all for being globalist. It would be better if we consciously became aware of Climate Change rather than having regulation shoved down our throats..

I do support Trump and I think he will make this country a heck of a lot greater than it is. Whether certain people want to realize it or not. We need a strong leader to take hold of all the problems that AMERICA has...THEN worry about the rest of the world.

What do you mean by "we voted for him"? Who is the "we"? A majority of the people who voted voted for someone other than Trump, and Trump came in second in the popular vote.
Quoting 255. ACSeattle:


I think that what you meant to say was that you don't like reading a blog written by Dr.Masters and Mr. Henson that conflicts with your views on AGW.
This is what I mean, stupid political comments with no merit. I am currently in high school, got a 33 on my acts 1500/1600 on my SAT, I am attemptingto go to college to be a meteorologist and I side with the liberal end of the spectrum. Please don't say stupid comments having no clue of the political background or educational background of the person on the other side of the computer. And Yes I do believe in GW, there is indisputable evidence of it. Talk about weather please, I refuse to comment on anything political anymore.
Quoting 237. chrtucke:

What a JOKE! Come out of your SAFE SPACE and face reality...stop perptuating lies!!!

What "lies" are being perpetuated? The laws of physics? The rising temperatures in the atmosphere and the oceans?
The shrinking of glacial ice and icecaps? Is this what you mean by "lies"? The physical world is not governed by human constructs such as theology or political philosophy. The physical world has a life of its own quite independent of what goes on inside the heads of humans, and when what goes on inside the heads of humans conflicts with the physical world, guess who always looses.
259. elioe
What is most funny about the fossil fuel industry funding to climate change denial, is the thought of a denialist being hired to design a coal power plant.

The furnace would be ten times the size needed. Steam behind the walls of the furnace would exhibit severe pressure loss. Top of furnace might deform. The flue gas at the top of the furnace might become so heavy, that it would fall back down near the walls, inhibiting combustion. All of that, because the designer would refuse to acknowledge the existence of radiative heat transfer between the bulk of flue gas and the wall of the furnace.

Might make a good humorous scene for some TV show :)
Quoting 189. hotroddan:


We cannot confirm this method because there is basically NO other method for determining the CO2 in the atmosphere. For example actually taking a sample of air at a specific time.


Wow. You're just like Trump. Make garbage up and throw it out there. When people call you on it, double down.

You clearly have absolutely zero knowledge on physics and chemistry. You're refuting basic science taught in a freshmen chemistry class in high school. You're earlier claims of CO2 not responding to IR are just as ridiculous considering CO2 cutting lasers (which are IR lasers) are widely used throughout global manufacturing and science research.
More like 25%. Half of America didn't even vote.
Quoting 245. Hurricane4Lex:

I wanted Bernie but I support Trump as I would do Clinton. Not because he's leader material but because 49% of people shouldn't be thrown under the bus. Just like climate change shouldn't be thrown under the bus.

I still stand by my "in poor taste" comment which is not aimed at 1 or 2 people but several hard liners on here. I find some things even hypocritical. The computer models we trust in are provided by super computers. Does anyone know how much power is consumed into those super computers? How much heat it gives off and the cool system needed to keep it stable? Just because we can view this webpage on a raspberry pi doesn't mean the information of the internet is 100% greener or rather it doesn't come without a price than a desktop computer. Imagine how laughable it would be if I said lets pull the plug on the hurricane models cause they're contributing to AGW and the stronger cane we are witnessing.

I do agree though we should continue to make greener machines and processes but bilaterally. Even if you have to work with your archnemesis. Its near if not impossible to everyone agree on an issue but if we can have at least 85% of an agreement instead of 50% on something, its progress.

Anyways I'll just leave for a bit with this classy response to Wolf Blitzer from Bernie on whether the election outcome would be different if he won the nomination. "What good does it do now?"
Quoting 235. JRRP7:



Is that an eye? It would be too early for that wouldn't it?
Quoting 244. washingtonian115:

Most of the people that I've spoken to (no matter who they voted for) the last thing they were worried about was CC.Most brought up issues like equal rights/pay,the LBGT community,affordable higher education,the rising cost of living,affordable housing,racism,gun control,immigration/refugee crises and most importantly jobs.Depending on the candidate that agreed with most of their issues that's who they chose.The last thing most of them thought about was CC.Should people be more aware of CC/GW? yes but that wasn't the main driving force into why people voted the way that they did.


Of course it wasn't. People are reactionary. If they don't see an immediate problem, then it doesn't exist. If they can't conceptualize a problem, then it doesn't exist. If they're ignorant of a problem (or worse willfully ignorant) then it doesn't exist.

People can't fathom how a small change in global average temperatures can possibly upend human civilization, regardless of how even regional changes destroyed whole civilizations. They're under the (wrong) impression that our current technology will protect us from such changes, even while disasters like Sandy and Katrina take place. They just can't wrap their heads around the fact that global food production exists in limited regions that depend heavily on climate and soil conditions, and you can't simply "move" all of it someplace else when the climate changes.

Looks like people will just have to learn the hard way.
Evening All,
I'm in your time zone on the sunshine coast of the Vancouver area for the next 4 weeks and being slightly above Ped and others and to the West of almost everybody else is a new expiriance of time zones for me.
Here on the sunshine coast, ( I've been conned!) It has not stopped raining for weeks or longer and we are wallowing in mud, seas of mud; leaden grey skies and some times the odd hint that there is sunshine above but only a thin vague hint. Needless to say its also cold but not fatally so for somebody from the balmy warm climes of southern Spain.

Thanks to the authors for the blog. I am a bit at a wonder as to where the mentioned "forests of southern Spain," are, as I am not familiar with them, there are plenty of olive trees and a few almonds but apart from these most of the place is near desert and so far this year since about the beginning of May there has probably been a lot less than 10 days of rain with nothing forecast there.

Here in BC, the "MUD" is king and rules without question or challenge, being daily replenished with more rain, the mud abounds in all areas which are not paved.

All is in chaos of course with the Trump chap at the controls but we shall see as time passes and a lot more "Mud" passes under the bridge. I think that as we are today suffering, or experiencing about 4 million Sq Kilometres less ice than normal at the poles, we are about to enter a scenario where no matter how much Ceasar Trump plays "the Fiddle," sooner or later the population will have to accept that the place is on "Fire.
More later of course on the "BC mudscape" possibly with photos if I can find enough light to take them?
267. V26R
So exactly when did this area change from a Weather Blog to a Political one???
Seems all Ive seen lately are pictures and comments about the Political Change for the US!
trump narrates planet earth. If you need a laugh...

Link
Quoting 211. CaribBoy:

The Caymans can breathe again. GFS keeps the storm much further south than EURO. But in both case it is boring in the NE Caribbean :/


Very funny not even close mate GFS got it wrong
Euro may have an idea

But hey thing can change got a few days to go

Never know you might get your cat 5 hitting you lol yeah maybe next year lol

Nice try
Basic survey of vehicles cruising around on the "sunshine coast," here in BC.
About 25% of the seem to be large 4X4 pick ups. I questioned some of the drivers and their engine sizes, seems that from those who knew what an engine is that they range from 3000 CC to 8,100 CC. MPG is usually unknown but is not thought to be high, maybe from about 8 MPG upwards. They almost all said, that "sure they use a lot of Gas!"
Almost None of the 4X4 pick ups seem to be carrying any loads, except for the ones driven by women, this leads me to surmise that they are mainly being used by ego maniacs in order to pose to their neighbours.
Cars also seem to have very large engine sizes with 3.0 CDI etc on the tailboard's. I have so far seen no electric vehicles.
When I pointed out to my "co-workers" that my 1989 European van does about 60 MPG they screamed insults of "lies!"
Everybody seems very climate change aware unlike Europe but they mostly seem to think it is somebody else's responsibility and as I was chatting to a 19 year old student about his 7 litre Cadillac, he said that climate change was a problem, that some people need to address immediately.
A thick haze of bright yellow smoke hung over Vancouver the other day and I pointed out that this was pollution. The reply was that it was not normally there and that it would be gone when the wind got up! I asked where it would go? I was told that the wind would blow it away!

More later no doubt.
This weekend might get in the sixties for highs in Orlando according to some models. Bring it On!



Models are teasing Boston and New York with some snow on Thanksgiving or Black Friday. If that happens. many will say "my, what a difference a year makey...ah"!

Quoting 187. ACSeattle:


Based on this commenter's previous posts, it most definitely was not sarcasm. Irony seems lost on Trump and his supporters.
Sorry the laws are the electoral; college decides not the popular vote and you cant change the rules after the fact
Keep your political opinions to yourself. Stop using this platform to push a liberal agenda. Stick to the weather please.
GEFS trended EAST again... way into fantasy land :/



Quoting 277. RAFTKING:

Keep your political opinions to yourself. Stop using this platform to push a liberal agenda. Stick to the weather please.


Except that the blog that Dr M posted is about politics. Thanks for playing
On-Going background insanity:-

Link

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/video/news/sarah-palin-m ay-have-a-place-in-the-white-house-in-this-job/vi- AAkjWkj?ocid=mailsignout
281. vis0

Quoting 16. starbuck02:

Let's worry about fixing our water supply so American's aren't getting lead poisoning and cancer before we spend billions of dollars helping other countries conform to our progressive and job killing energy policies.

MAGA!
Many decades ago water throughout the modern countries including USofA had harmful elements including lead (then certain PVCs).
Guess who were on the forefront warning your grand parents", Scientists that just followed the facts.  THEN there where politicians DELAY DELAY DELAYING the fact that fixing the problem sooner saves money and lowers health issues, but greed got in the way.   Luckily since Nature provides clean water elsewhere (throughout the world) by filtering the water at no extra cost to humans in time humans drank bottled water and also older pipes where replaced with safer pipes.
 
The problem in comparing leaching pipes with ill planet is one can change the pipes one cannot change the planet.  BTW its much MUCH!!! less costly to fix/clean Earth than it is to move to another planet. Find it weird that the same people saying why waste money cleaning Earth then turn around and say IF Earth does become UNinhabitable we can just move to Mars.
 
BTW Trump just left to eat some steak w.o the press following along (customary for press to go everywhere The Prez goes while in public,) guess some don't like others to see that under the table stuff....gobble Gobble.

OVER, back to CACA (words not person)
Kevin Anderson tweets:

"10% of populatn emit~50% of CO2.Cut to EU/capita average = >30% cut in global CO2 @MCC_Berlin @Peters_Glen @gcarbonproject @BrigitteKnopf"

Translation: 10% of the EU population emits about 50% of the EU's total CO2 emissions. If the emissions of those 10% were decreased to the average per capita emissions for the EU, that would yield a 30% cut in global CO2 emissions.

What 10% of the people do can have large consequences for the total picture.

I'll hypothesize that in the U.S., the majority of the people denying climate change do not make large contributions to the country's total CO2 emissions relative to the rich. If we convince the rich to change, then we will have a far larger impact than if we get a lot of Joe Blow's to change.
284. vis0

Quoting 277. RAFTKING:

Keep your political opinions to yourself. Stop using this platform to push a liberal agenda. Stick to the weather please.
First blog-byte is of Politics.

Sadly it is of Politics as certain groups feel its OK to infuse politics into science.  If all parties kept politics out of science this blog would not have to speak up for Earth.
285. Bonz
Forever banging that Climate Change drum. It gets old. Just want to know about what's happening in the tropics.
Quoting 252. 19N81W:

It's going into Central America before it can really ramp up giving them rain that we need


LOL. Your comments look like mine :)
There is no question that we need to reduce pollution but I am not sure crying wolf is an effective strategy. We have been listening to apocalypse stories since the 1960's, and there is a certain weariness.


GEFS much weaker.... :/
Quoting 264. PlazaRed:


Here on the sunshine coast, ( I've been conned!) It has not stopped raining for weeks or longer and we are wallowing in mud, seas of mud; leaden grey skies and some times the odd hint that there is sunshine above but only a thin vague hint.
Here in BC, the "MUD" is king and rules without question or challenge, being daily replenished with more rain, the mud abounds in all areas...


I love these 2 sentences. Just south of you here in Acme WA we are getting close to 7" of rain for Nov. Only 3 days that didn't add to the tally and I am beginning to forget what the sun actually looks like. Temp and snow level is finally dropping, if it ever clears out we will probably get to see some snow on the mountains.


Great weather for mushrooms!
292. ronnm
The refusal of the two candidates and the main stream media to make about any comments about AGW, other than one 30 second or so question and answer, virtually guarantees a person with no regard for a solution to this gets elected.

It depends on how the polling question is posed but it appears apparent that average peoples in America are very concerned about the issue.
Bernie oh yeah, he mentioned it. Bernie received about zero coverage of the content of his speeches. Trump, I think they aired about half of them.

Why is no one calling a apple a apple and a orange a orange, or did I miss something. The media is largly responsible for the lack of attention to AGw. Thank Hillary as well, as I heard nary more than a slight mention after the primary was over. If Hillary had made it a issue of importance and debate a Trump could not run roughshod over the issue.
And the national media did us a great great disservice in this.
We must hold them accountable.

Hillary paid her price, if this was made a issue it would have served as a point to show difference. But it was not.
But the media????
Extreme events are occurring globally weekly and most are related quite directly to global warming. Yet hardly ever is this mentioned in national media. Yes no singular event is attributable to AGw but series of extreme events occuring with a rapidity never before seen certainly are.

This was acceptable (barely) in the past. But now? If the media does not serve us in the duty to inform the public, useing our airwaves and out means to profit from, we must rattle their cart and talk about taking it back.

The media is really the problem with the lack of attention to the issue of AGw. Clearly.


The post is political, so I hope this is not deleted. Thanks!

I wasn't sure or happy when Obama was elected about 8 years ago. Had my doubts!
But, he pulled us through the crisis when the banks screwed up when he wanted all
of us to have our own home. Good idea, banks took advantage and got burned.
The dollar is worth a dollar again, the stock market is in uncharted territory, gold is worth more
since his term, unemployment is down, ....... I could go on.
"He did change his stance on global weather changed also."
The only fail I see, is that his actions about terrorism was not strong enough.

I say let's give Trump a chance, and if he can't see what's really happening, we can kick him out in 4 years. I do understand 4 years of doing nothing, or going backwards would not be good!
Quoting 261. SecretStormNerd:

More like 25%. Half of America didn't even vote.


By that logic then ~25% went to Clinton and ~25% went to Trump. Furthermore its crazy scary that you're still willing to throw at least 25% of our own people under the bus. Its an undeniable fact that former blue counties in say Michigan and Wisconsin that voted Obama 2x turned red. Guess its true what is said. Once anyone votes for any of these parties, the parties will say thanks for playing, we'll see you in 2 or 4 years.

Quoting 290. BaltimoreBrian:

Probing Worst-Case Environmental Outcomes Under Trump and the G.O.P.


With all the anti-Trump articles out there have yall stopped to wonder the true threat? Hypothetically speaking if Trump was made unfit for president by something the #notmypresident movement pulls. Mike Pence would be acting President and if he's done then Paul Ryan would. Let that sink in for a moment. So there are much much worse scenarios than Trump as President. He's 70 years old. Might wanna go easy on him. At least till his 100 days are over. He's flip flopped on so many issues like the ACA and dealing with China that it wouldn't surprise me if he kept the course on the Paris agreement or parts of it at least. A true politician, lies to get elected. Let's not easily forget he was a Democrat before if that helps.

Can't wait in 7 days. Hopefully our cooldown cools some heads out there. Too much fear mongering going around.
Quoting 292. ronnm:



The media is really the problem





I strongly agree. They messed people up big time.
Dearest Jeff Masters,
What happened to the weather? I am on a cruise heading toward the Panama Canal this Friday!! There is a possible tropical storm developing in the area? Do I stay or do I go? When did this Hurricane Blog become so heavily political?
Quoting 296. HONDO5:

Dearest Jeff Masters,
What happened to the weather? I am on a cruise heading toward the Panama Canal this Friday!! There is a possible tropical storm developing in the area? Do I stay or do I go? When did this Hurricane Blog become so heavily political?


Since the upset of human history occurred last week. This post was actually posted just before veteran's day but was pulled I'm guessing due to that holiday and the riots.

Anyways check these out for what may happen with said disturbance.

Link

Quoting 298. HONDO5:

I just checked out this blog's past 40 comments! People are begging the administer in charge, Dr. Master's representative, to stop the Politics! I was banned last night because I mentioned what side I was on...but who cares? I want to know about the possible development of a tropical storm in the way of my cruise departing this Friday for the Panama Canal....bottom line: If you are liberal and democratic, you have full say with no banning. I use to really like this blog, not anymore, Tim C



I'm sorry to hear that. I had my start and interest in weather here too. Its why I don't see the old regulars anymore and assume why Levi left a long time ago. This is also why I've said this post was "in poor taste" on a previous post at the time but eh, you know what they say if can't beat them....... Use rule #12 to your heart's content (as long as it fits the narrati... err I mean rule #2).

PS: . Tidbits is on hiatus I assume but would pick up again if it forms I hope.
Quoting 298. HONDO5:

I just checked out this blog's past 40 comments! People are begging the administer in charge, Dr. Master's representative, to stop the Politics! I was banned last night because I mentioned what side I was on...but who cares? I want to know about the possible development of a tropical storm in the way of my cruise departing this Friday for the Panama Canal....bottom line: If you are liberal and democratic, you have full say with no banning. I use to really like this blog, not anymore, Tim C



have you even read the blog posting its a climate change political post therefore there will be climate change political postings in the comments section and if you require information regarding tropical weather is not the NHC the authority of that information where you should be going to get your tropical information in the first place

I think maybe you just don't like the blog posting and comments that come with it and are trying to scheme up something to dissuade peeps from speaking there mind on it maybe

Hi, everyone. Rest assured we'll be covering the potential TS Otto starting on Wednesday.
sorry mr Henson hope I did not over step
I'm responding to bappit's post-

"Translation: 10% of the EU population emits about 50% of the EU's total CO2 emissions. If the emissions of those 10% were decreased to the average per capita emissions for the EU, that would yield a 30% cut in global CO2 emissions."

The tweet wasn't clear & badly written, so your translation is incorrect. 10% of the World's population emits about 50% of the CO2 emissions. That doesn't mean 10% of the EU emits 50% of the EU's total emissions.

"What 10% of the people do can have large consequences for the total picture.

I'll hypothesize that in the U.S., the majority of the people denying climate change do not make large contributions to the country's total CO2 emissions relative to the rich. If we convince the rich to change, then we will have a far larger impact than if we get a lot of Joe Blow's to change. "

Your hypothesis is simply mistaken, as follows from your incorrect reading of Kevin Anderson's tweet. Joe Blow (in the US ) is a part of that 10% of top emitting.
Quoting 288. ztarbod:

There is no question that we need to reduce pollution but I am not sure crying wolf is an effective strategy. We have been listening to apocalypse stories since the 1960's, and there is a certain weariness.

So, because there were previous (and curiously unspecified) "apocalypse stories"...we should avoid the facts of climate change? Nah, that can't be the intent of that post. That would be severely deficient logic.

On a side note, what should one cry when the wolf is at the door?
Quoting 301. BobHenson:

Hi, everyone. Rest assured we'll be covering the potential TS Otto starting on Wednesday.


it's Wednesday
"Trump’s election to the Presidency of the most powerful nation on Earth is a serious blow to our hopes of preserving a livable climate for our children."

Probably. But maybe not. At least there's a slim chance that Donald Trump could change his mind about abolishing America's greenhouse gas reduction targets. Admittedly this is pretty unlikely given that Donald Trump has been an outspoken climate chance skeptic for decades and your average American doesn't seem to care about climate change anymore than what your average Aussie does. Just consider how many people are berating this site for being too political just because the good Dr. Masters and Bob Henson have dared to share their personal views on this topic along with a few relevant tidbits of factual information. These critics are just the tip of a very big iceberg, tragically, and it's one of the few icebergs that isn't melting as the oceans heat up. The warming atmosphere is probably the least of our worries, actually, and CO2 is by no means the only greenhouse gas that is driving this rapid warming. Most people don't even realize there is a significant lag time between the release of greenhouse gases and the resulting warming. I read in a book about global warming that the lag time is around 30 years!

Yet it could be even worse. If the new American President were Mike Pence, Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz, Jeb Bush or any of the other Christian conservative Republicans, there would be NO CHANCE of them changing their minds whatsoever.

It would be like Australians trying to imagine our former Prime Minister Tony Abbott or our current Deputy Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce losing their hostility towards renewable energy; it's far more likely that buffaloes might learn how to roller blade. The rightwing conservative following is so strong here in Australia that our Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull had to let his personal moral conviction melt away on this issue or he would be ousted from the top job in a flash. Being intelligent and supporting carbon pricing already cost him the leadership of the Coalition once.

Rightwing political conservatives are a global menace if you ask me. They have locked themselves into climate change denial. Their attitude is: there's nothing to worry about, folks, it's just business as usual. Keep working hard and paying your taxes and if you can put in more hours and spend more of your disposable income, that's all that matters because that is what keeps the wheels of the ever-expanding global economy in motion.

Ignoring or being deeply skeptical of everything that is reported and said about climate change (to the point of scowling or assuming a mocking tone when speaking about such a distasteful subject) is now a central tenet of political conservatism that binds them together along party lines as much as what their propaganda about national security does, ironically.

Hey at least Donald Trump is more of an individual force who could potentially change his mind although sadly I don't think it's very likely. But he might!

"Even before Trump’s election, holding global warming to 2°C above pre-industrial levels was looking unlikely. Now, a 3°C warming is looking more probable, raising the specter that the children of today voting during the U.S. election of 2056 will be grappling with whether or not we should attempt desperate geo-engineering efforts to intentionally modify the climate in order to avoid massive disruption and damage to our ecosystems and societies."

I reckon this will be the situation significantly sooner than 2056.
Quoting 307. HONDO5:

link to the NHC

Link
307. HONDO5

You are asking armchair weather enthusiasts to make your decision? The info we have about the Invest is out here.
Quoting 306. Misanthroptimist:


So, because there were previous (and curiously unspecified) "apocalypse stories"...we should avoid the facts of climate change? Nah, that can't be the intent of that post. That would be severely deficient logic.

On a side note, what should one cry when the wolf is at the door?


Crying wolf is a poor analogy. I do believe in "awareness fatigue" however. I actually learned this back when Bryan Norcross was on CBS4 Miami during the 04 and 05 seasons. How much is too much? Imagine if you played a favorite song over and over again or you went thru the same exact drill over and over again. This is my concern. That we push something to the point where people no longer care. At the same exact time we have to connect AGW/CC to something people can find tangible or within reach instead of just saying "this will happen, I am an expert on this". A noticeable solution if you will. Example: For environmentalism ask would you rather breathe clean air or smog? Swim in clean water or funny looking water? Clean it up and it looks better than it was. Feeling a degree or 2 of temperature change is hard to come by. Trying to show graphs of cities being flooded just seems like it isn't working even though Katrina and Superstorm Sandy happened. Of course you have people either play or actually be the devil's advocate and say "these graphs and data are outdated from now" or " 1850s till now is not enough data to make an informed decision" or "we're in a cycle this is normal".

To summarize: The data is there. The execution of presenting data via communication must be heavily focused on. This is the soul searching we need on this issue. What are we doing right and what are we doing wrong? I'm hoping something can be learned and bilaterally applied from this election rather than an "us vs. them" mentality that gets fostered in heated issues like this.
OMG! We have a Potential Tropical Storm or Hurricane that may affect the United States and you guys are still going back and forth trying to change each other's mind on Global Warming? Come on! Let's get back to what this site is famous for! Monitoring Storms!
Quoting 308. NunoLava1998:



it's Wednesday
it will likely be mid day before a new posting this blog will remain for 24 hrs from post time so by noon or there about expect a change up of topic
Quoting 313. kuppenskup:

OMG! We have a Potential Tropical Storm or Hurricane that may affect the United States and you guys are still going back and forth trying to change each other's mind on Global Warming? Come on! Let's get back to what this site is famous for! Monitoring Storms!
the storm when it does form in 4 or 5 days from now will be quasi stationary for a bit before the traditional ne movement for this time of year its going nowhere fast but sitting there doing a circle dance with itself
ZCZC MIATWOAT ALL
TTAA00 KNHC DDHHMM

TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
100 AM EST WED NOV 16 2016

For the North Atlantic...Caribbean Sea and the Gulf of Mexico:

1. A large area of cloudiness and showers over the southwestern
Caribbean Sea are associated with a broad low pressure system.
Environmental conditions are expected to be conducive for slow
development of this system during the next several days, and a
tropical depression is likely to form late this week or over the
weekend while the low moves little.
* Formation chance through 48 hours...low...30 percent
* Formation chance through 5 days...high...80 percent

Forecaster Cangialosi
Updated: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 07:30:05 GMT
Atlantic Basin

No Active Warnings
As of Wed, 16 Nov 2016 07:30:05 GMT
Quoting 312. Hurricane4Lex:
To summarize: The data is there. The execution of presenting data via communication must be heavily focused on. This is the soul searching we need on this issue. What are we doing right and what are we doing wrong?

A noble mission, to be sure. However, it's not a mission that I'm going to waste much time (nearly zero) undertaking. If a scientist or knowledgeable layperson imparts reliable information in a clear way, then their obligation has been met. The knowledgeable are people, too, and as such have the right -and even the obligation- to prepare themselves and their loved to survive whatever the catastrophe at hand happens to be. Wasting time on those who insist on "Darwining" themselves is pointless in almost every circumstance and probably puts the would-be rescuer at greater risk.

Those who "Darwin" themselves by ignoring reliable information, for whatever reason -political, religious, economic, etc.- are perfectly free to do so. When the avalanche, storm, flood, climate change begins to have adverse effects on such people...well, they'll probably whine, complain, and blame, but such complaints should rightfully be directed at themselves, not those who tried to warn them.
90L/INV/XX/XX


nothing there at the moment but a naked cyclonic area of turning go ahead stare at nothing for awhile
collapse of fisheries due to excessively warm water does seem to be the norm now. everyone knows what happen here in e cen florida huge fish dye offs yet the rulers who are in the polluters pocket keep winning elections easily. the problem here is a huge block of voters only live in Fl for about ten yrs. they dont care much about the environment and vote accordingly. did you see the latest fish kill up in the Hamptons? bluefish by the millions are dying off.


Quoting 313. kuppenskup:

OMG! We have a Potential Tropical Storm or Hurricane that may affect the United States and you guys are still going back and forth trying to change each other's mind on Global Warming? Come on! Let's get back to what this site is famous for! Monitoring Storms!
We have a near-naked swirl of clouds that may or may not develop until next week, and when and if it does, it may or may not come anywhere near the United States, or any land mass at all. In the meantime, a minority of US voters, aided by the Russian government, have just installed into the White House a man utterly incapable of grasping even the most basic aspects of climate science, a man who has already surrounded himself with many of the same ignorant people working in the same high-polluting industries who have long delayed action on mitigating climate change. This forebodes the possibility that, come January, the US will begin institutionally delaying even more, ushering in catastrophic changes to the environment that will, according to nearly all credible scientists, lead to widespread and wholesale misery and destruction and, in many cases, death.

I can't speak for others, but the latter is of much more interest to me.

Knowing this forum as I do, *if* the Caribbean swirl develops, there'll be multiple blog entries written about it, each one accompanied by pages of comments. I promise. In the meanwhile, calm down, open your mind, and take the time to read what Jeff Masters and Bob Henson thought was important enough to write about. You'll get far more out of that than you might imagine.

Best of luck!
Quoting 325. islander101010:

collapse of fisheries due to excessively warm water does seem to be the norm now. everyone knows what happen here in e cen florida huge fish dye offs yet the rulers who are in the polluters pocket keep winning elections easily. the problem here is a huge block of voters only live in Fl for about ten yrs. they dont care much about the environment and vote accordingly. did you see the latest fish kill up in the Hamptons? bluefish by the millions are dying off.




I saw life long residences that are fishermen vote against the lagoon tax. Their thoughts were..more than a decade ago they lost their fishing rights in the river and were forced to use a lot more fuel to go way out in the ocean to fish. They were also blamed for the poor health of the fish in the river..the scapegoats for Big Sugar. Now that there is no denying the main cause of pollution and run off they want the locals to foot the clean up while the corporations enjoy their profits at our every expense.
The 'nothing storm' has been lashing the CZ for a few days now. http://www.pancanal.com/eng/eie/radar/movie.html
INTERNALIZE- PROFIT
EXTERNILIZE- COST
American business model 101
Trump University- MBA-
LOL
BTW from previous blog ....fisherman make great PIRATES just saying....
London's Killer fog: "The government has pledged to do all it can to reduce emissions going forward, but it will take time," he notes. "We think we have helped solve the 1952 London fog mystery and also have given China some ideas of how to improve its air quality. Reduction in emissions for nitrogen oxides and ammonia is likely effective in disrupting this sulfate formation process."
Link
Good Morning; 90L has that "look" with a very nice looking, but very broad cyclonic circulation, but it is still lacking significant convection at the core. A huge circulation that will take several days to consolidate an pull in if it is destined to develop....................Lots of air to move and it needs core convection to lower pressures bring it all together.




326= BIG YAWWWNNNN.. Electoral college is the law of the land and you got no proof the ruskies were behind the wiki-leaks. I'm not saying they were not, but lets see the evidence. As for the popular vote:
2 to 3 million people (illegal aliens or as I like to refer to them, un-documented democrats) most likely voted and in the re-analysis, which will be complete in a few months, if found to be true,will be tossed out. That may be enough to swing the legitimate popular vote to a slight majority for DJT. If so, it won't be reported by any outlet except for FOX so as not to change the narrative.
On the political front, and notwithstanding the AGW issue, given the Slavic Wives, asking for security clearances for the kids, and the acknowledged ties and communications with Moscow, hoping that the President-Elect is not actually some kind of "Russian" Manchurian Candidate.........................
Quoting 332. PensacolaDoug:

326= BIG YAWWWNNNN.. Electoral college is the law of the land and you got no proof the ruskies were behind the wiki-leaks. I'm not saying they were not, but lets see the evidence. As for the popular vote:
2 to 3 million people (illegal aliens or as I like to refer to them, un-documented democrats) most likely voted and in the re-analysis, which will be complete in a few months, if found to be true,will be tossed out. That may be enough to swing the legitimate popular vote to a slight majority for DJT. If so, it won't be reported by any outlet except for FOX so as not to change the narrative.


you're just full of assumptions, and empty of facts eh?
anyone who buys into the notion of 'mainstream media' is also just lazy. there are literally thousands of sources available at everyone's finger tips..some good, some bad..but the amount of information available to us as citizens is increasing every day. if you get all your news from facebook (or one source in general..cough cough FOX), i personally will not give your views/beliefs/opinion any credibility.
My undergraduate degree is in Russian studies, and I used to be fluent in Russian 20 years ago, if Mr. Trump cozzies up to Putin/Russia after he comes into office within the first year, this Country is in much bigger trouble than anyone can imagine................
Electoral college is the law of the land. Fact. So get over it. Rest is speculating. Time will tell if I'm right on the rest.
338. elioe
Quoting 306. Misanthroptimist:


So, because there were previous (and curiously unspecified) "apocalypse stories"...we should avoid the facts of climate change? Nah, that can't be the intent of that post. That would be severely deficient logic.

On a side note, what should one cry when the wolf is at the door?


Yeah, facts like referred in
"Trump’s election to the presidency of the most powerful nation on Earth is a serious blow to our hopes of preserving a livable climate for our children."

Yes, I'm sure that humanity will become extinct due to climate change, if Trump does nothing to prevent climate change... or perhaps, not all content in blog posts like these, and not all content within the comments of proponents of action against climate change, are simply, "facts" ? Perhaps they contain also "rhetorical tools", such as "exaggerations"? Like unfounded (or extrapolated) claims of "end of civilization", "end of humanity", and attributing almost all bad things happening on this planet to climate change? (Simply by ignoring other factors.) I've seen these all, and they often bring an apocalyptic tone to the discussion.



Quoting 326. Neapolitan:

[...] In the meantime, a minority of US voters, aided by the Russian government, have just installed [...]


There we go. Let's ignore, that many European government figures openly supported Clinton. Let's also forget, that the government of PR China, quite exceptionally, commented on the electoral campaigning, clearly on the side of Clinton? It is simply too tempting to ride on the traditional Russophobic sentiments, isn't it?

P.s. since neither candidate received 50% of votes, in majority of countries having direct presidential election, a second round would now be needed.
Quoting 333. weathermanwannabe:

On the political front, and notwithstanding the AGW issue, given the Slavic Wives, asking for security clearances for the kids, and the acknowledged ties and communications with Moscow, hoping that the President-Elect is not actually some kind of "Russian" Manchurian Candidate.........................
Quoting 339. intampa:



Fear mongering. Pure and Simple. A year from now when you haven't had your civil-liberties stripped, will you come back and admit it in this forum? That's all you have left; The Racist thing.
Good morning. It's Wednesday and the blog title is about politics. LET'S TALK POLITICS! :)
Trump wants to expand Gitmo as well down there
Quoting 293. swflurker:

The post is political, so I hope this is not deleted. Thanks!

I wasn't sure or happy when Obama was elected about 8 years ago. Had my doubts!
But, he pulled us through the crisis when the banks screwed up when he wanted all
of us to have our own home. Good idea, banks took advantage and got burned.
The dollar is worth a dollar again, the stock market is in uncharted territory, gold is worth more
since his term, unemployment is down, ....... I could go on.
"He did change his stance on global weather changed also."
The only fail I see, is that his actions about terrorism was not strong enough.

I say let's give Trump a chance, and if he can't see what's really happening, we can kick him out in 4 years. I do understand 4 years of doing nothing, or going backwards would not be good!



I say let's give Trump the same chance that the congress gave Obama.
Quoting 339. intampa:



Wow...
Quoting 340. PensacolaDoug:



Fear mongering. Pure and Simple. A year from now when you haven't had your civil-liberties stripped, will you come back and admit it in this forum? That's all you have left; The Racist thing.


and if youre not a white person, the 'racist thing' is kind of a big freaking deal. put yourself in someone elses shoes for once, i dare you. and donald trump never fear mongered at all, no not once.. :/
348. bwi
Quoting 340. PensacolaDoug:



Fear mongering. Pure and Simple. A year from now when you haven't had your civil-liberties stripped, will you come back and admit it in this forum? That's all you have left; The Racist thing.


I'm not worried about having my civil liberties stripped because I'm an upper middle-aged white guy who can afford lawyers. Police don't bother with me, even if I'm doing something wrong. The trolls from Leningrad aren't a big worry. I have enough retirement and housing equity that even if I never get another research job I'll survive, even if it's delivering Jimmy John's for lunch money.

But the LGBT suicide hotline where my daughter volunteers has seen a big spike in calls. More vulnerable people are afraid, and rightfully so given the rhetoric (and actions) against them.
Quoting 332. PensacolaDoug:
2 to 3 million people (illegal aliens or as I like to refer to them, un-documented democrats) most likely voted and in the re-analysis, which will be complete in a few months, if found to be true,will be tossed out.
Sorry, but most of us don't allow ourselves to be misled by Alex Jones' many crackpot theories, such as this latest one that "2-3 million" Clinton votes were cast by undocumented citizens. Try again?
Quoting 338. elioe:
There we go. Let's ignore, that many European government figures openly supported Clinton. Let's also forget, that the government of PR China, quite exceptionally, commented on the electoral campaigning, clearly on the side of Clinton? It is simply too tempting to ride on the traditional Russophobic sentiments, isn't it?
You're aware that Trump was elected, aren't you? So we're talking about the President-elect's numerous ties with--and open admiration of--the Putin administration, a regime hellbent on pulling the world back into the Golden Age of Russian Primacy. It's clear that Putin early on saw Trump as an "olezniye duraki" ("useful idiot"), and has leveraged that to the max. It's also clear to US intelligence officials that Russia ardently worked to see Trump elected.. That's not a "phobia" of any kind; it's just a fact. Try again?
Quoting 340. PensacolaDoug:
Fear mongering. Pure and Simple. A year from now when you haven't had your civil-liberties stripped, will you come back and admit it in this forum?
Not sure; one never can tell what people will do. After all, even after *eight* years of Obama, some remain convinced he's going to kick down their doors any second now and steal their guns. ;-)

The bottom line--again: Trump’s proposals are dangerous to our climate’s future. Period. Let's keep our eyes on that ball, okay?
350. raylo
As I posted here a couple weeks ago before the election that in the age of Trumpism it is a fantasy for the US to actively participate in climate change prevention. Even if he didn't get elected we have about 50% of the population that only believes what Breitbart and Fox tell them and this alone would be a major impediment. But now that Trump has both houses of Congress the best we can hope for is to keep a little of the progress we have already made. Plus, he will stuff the appeals and supreme courts with ideologues that could easily overturn actions of a future sane administration. IOW, the world had better spend more time figuring out how to adapt to climate change, much of which is or will be baked in before we get a chance to do anything significant, which might not occur for yet another generation.
get it all out now be advised once the new blog goes up any and all political comments not relate to climate or climate policy will be removed and individuals banned for 3 days
352. vis0
Quoting 300. KEEPEROFTHEGATE:



have you even read the blog posting its a climate change political post therefore there will be climate change political postings in the comments section and if you require information regarding tropical weather is not the NHC the authority of that information where you should be going to get your tropical information in the first place

I think maybe you just don't like the blog posting and comments that come with it and are trying to scheme up something to dissuade peeps from speaking there mind on it maybe



i have to disagree with both... (97% disagree w/Qu298. HONDO5 & 1% w/KEEPEROFTHEGATE [gasps from the audience...though aquak9's gasp is centered on running out of coffee with an O coming up.]

Its a CAT6 blog.  
This means we can discuss all things weather/climate.

Example::

If  HONDO5 REALLY cares 'bout weather as to its present active state, HONDO5 could have posted in HONDO5's previous comment a question or comment 'bout oh lets say - the spin up in the SW Caribbean and in time some distinguished member or TWI would have replied.
 
If this blog was to be defined i would call it a "weather blog with a human touch" . 
Since being human is being a (the) most complex animal whose brain is wired to think with a wider array of choices, at times we (all of us) need things explained.
 
Lets start with this (vis0) comment. 
Can someone explain the remaining "%"?
 
That 2% is as to me, since at times i disagree more with myself.
 
To future repliers of HONDO5 like Qs as in "this is a wxBlog...stay on Wx", try replying with "Ask away" (as to a WxQ) and reply.  Guess what?, visitors will be attracted as the blog as instead of tit for tat (can i say THAT - Dr. Seuss?) it would has much more info on several subjects that interest all people as. "Will it rain today?" to "When will this drought or deluge stop?"
 
Going back to sew a design on a t-shirt that reads "wan-a-cookie? (front) visit www.Cat6 on the net (back) please no orders the chocolate chips look like raisins...hey Grothar a cookie for us?


        & nbsp;     

OOPS just was trumped (AGAIN) READ PREVIOUS COMMENT #351


To Jeff Masters and Bob Henson... It was enlightening to see the political undercurrent here the last couple of days. I wouldn't want to wade through the swamp every day, but once in a while it's worthwhile. Thanks.
good morning vis
I can only be nice so long sorry and sorry too the blog its a heated debate and so it should be
a new fresh blog will fix it all I promise I give you and the blog my word on that
Quoting 332. PensacolaDoug:

326= BIG YAWWWNNNN.. Electoral college is the law of the land and you got no proof the ruskies were behind the wiki-leaks. I'm not saying they were not, but lets see the evidence. As for the popular vote:
2 to 3 million people (illegal aliens or as I like to refer to them, un-documented democrats) most likely voted and in the re-analysis, which will be complete in a few months, if found to be true,will be tossed out. That may be enough to swing the legitimate popular vote to a slight majority for DJT. If so, it won't be reported by any outlet except for FOX so as not to change the narrative.

Evidence of Russian hacking? Do you really expect the NSA to start sharing raw data with the public, thereby compromising their methods? In what other situations would you expect the NSA to do this? As for "millions" of non-citizens voting, what evidence is there for that? Your comment is deeply disturbing.
Updated: Wed, 16 Nov 2016 13:30:04 GMT
Atlantic Basin

No Active Warnings
As of Wed, 16 Nov 2016 13:30:04 GMT
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Quoting 343. RitaEvac:

Trump wants to expand Gitmo as well down there
Good.
gill netters would of been out of business by now regardless of the net ban. i noticed fishing did get better a few yrs after the ban but that all went to pot quick due to a freeze or two and the final dagger the algae blooms.
361. raylo
To the mods: I would propose a simple fix to end a lot of the political nonsense. First acknowledge that this is a scientific blog and discussion and that climate change is an accepted consensus scientific premise. Therefore simply moderate out and delete any posts that purport to continue the so-called "debate" about whether or not climate change is real or a hoax. Then the rest of us can discuss the actual research, empirical effects, and policies, without having to constantly revisit nonsensical past arguments. Also agree with plans for other political oriented posts to be banned.
Quoting 336. weathermanwannabe:

My undergraduate degree is in Russian studies, and I used to be fluent in Russian 20 years ago, if Mr. Trump cozzies up to Putin/Russia after he comes into office within the first year, this Country is in much bigger trouble than anyone can imagine................
Indeed..Putin is a mass murderer, and anyone that does research will know this. He blew up his own people, is a criminal, stole hundreds of millions of dollars..Frontline also did a documentary on him titled Putin's Way.....Here is one of them.....Link
Quoting 332. PensacolaDoug:

326= BIG YAWWWNNNN..

Back at ya. Only Fox can explain the true narrative? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Quoting 361. raylo:

To the mods: I would propose a simple fix to end a lot of the political nonsense. First acknowledge that this is a scientific blog and discussion and that climate change is an accepted consensus scientific premise. Therefore simply moderate out and delete any posts that purport to continue the so-called "debate" about whether or not climate change is real or a hoax. Then the rest of us can discuss the actual research, empirical effects, and policies, without having to constantly revisit nonsensical past arguments. Also agree with plans for other political oriented posts to be banned.

+1.
Climate revisionists out. Else remain the best help the merchants of doubt can wish for.
I wish the Libertarian-leaning climate deniers would Grow a Brain. I've been having long discussions with two of them and their usual arguments are:
1) There is no climate science such as NASA, its all political talking points instead
2) Its all Al Gore. James Hansen has been "discredited"
3) The earth was this warm in the past. Some global warming is good and will make plants more productive
4) Humans (I presume they mean of the Corporate kind such as Exxon) didn't cause this
ad nauseum with an emphasis on the nauseum.

Don Prothero in his magnificent book Reality Check destroys every single one of their arguments. Will they read this? No - even if I send it to them. Will they look into the science behind it? No. All scientists are simply acting politically and are in lock step. What about their scientists which they cherry pick statements from? These are infallible regardless of the fact that they are all industry or political shills which I point out to them.

These people are stuck in a rather pernicious belief system that is toxic to the planet. There is no way to dislodge these beliefs. They act as if they are in a cult or are brainwashed. Facts including some staring them right in the face are denied or simply not seen.

Unfortunately one of them is headed for the Oval Office.

I am holding onto a shred of hope that several of the Electors in the Electoral College decide to jump ship and become Faithless Electors. 2 have already declared their intention to do so. As the popular vote widens (expect it to end up being 4 to 7 million in Hillary's favor) there will be more pressure to do this. I hope Hillary is enjoying her vacation as she may have to get back to work to fill a Cabinet after December 19.

Meanwhile, we are witnessing with horror the kind of people Trump plans to surround himself with. Racist Fascists, Wall Street Establishment Insiders, Corrupt Politicians, Climate Deniers, etc.

In the 2000 election many Nader voters warned that it had to get really bad before things improved. So we had 9/11, the War on Terror, the War against Iraq, Katrina and a Heckuva Job, and the Great Recession. I guess things weren't as bad as these people hoped because many of them voted for Stein and we ended up with Orange Hitler.
i am so tried of eating popcorn


lol
Quoting 359. NativeSun:

Good.


Not really, it's a waste of taxpayers money, throw em back into the battlefield overseas and take em out with drones...ever seen movie "Good Kill"
Quoting 197. justmehouston:

If we want science to prevail then we need to get rid of common core.
i grew up with a vocational school in the area. Auto mechanics, cosmetology, introductory health care, welding, plumbing and such were taught at the vocational school. Not everyone is cut out for college or wants a college education. The careers that these people were able to enter are vital to our survival.
ESL (at higher grade levels) and common core are inhibiting our children.
I know this is not a popular view but its how I feel.

And when did civics stop being taught?




I'm 58 and my civics education was poor. Sometime before I hit elementary school is my answer to your question
371. vis0

Quoting 354. KEEPEROFTHEGATE:

good morning vis
I can only be nice so long sorry and sorry too the blog its a heated debated and so it should be
a new fresh blog will fix it all I promise I give you and the blog my word on that
oh notice i only disagree with you 1%, broken down its 1/2 a percent as to which way is the wind blowing and 1/2 a percent on this comment...see what i did ...turned it into groundhog day.


As to weather and for those that (try to) read my nutty comments as to the science i refer to as "Galacsics":, "2WkAnom" ending in 2 days then the next 2 month WxTrend begins.
Lets see if the change over brings::

a) maintains a favourable flow to build the spin up(s) in the eastern GoMx to western Caribbean.

b) changes the favourable area(s) to another pattern (as in Winter storms from the Northern areas for the USofA to moisture for the Western USofA  ...HHjoe and PedleyCa please take a seat and put down those pom poms)

c) sar2401 back
Quoting 181. hydrus:

Good afternoon G...I find you comment a little misleading, it absorbs and emits, but does indeed act like a blanket too... blankets trap our body heat and make our beds warmer than they would be if our body heat could escape directly to the air in the room. The Greenhouse Effect acts in the same way.


Blankets block convection and also act as insulators reducing heat transmission by conduction. CO2 does neither
although all gas layers, in the absence of convection and turbulence, are very very good thermal insulators.

Incidentally in real greenhouses the primary warming effect is from blocking convection, not from blocking IR radiation escape though that is a secondary term and glass greenhouses (which block IR) are a little warmer than plastic ones (which don't block much of it) at the same power input. So the "greenhouse effect" in the atmosphere, paradoxically is only a second order term in real greenhouses.
Quoting 337. PensacolaDoug:

Electoral college is the law of the land. Fact. So get over it. Rest is speculating. Time will tell if I'm right on the rest.

Who here is saying that Trump didn't win the presidency? I don't see anyone. He won the electoral college, he won the presidency, I don't see anyone questioning that. Questioning the merits of the electoral college is NOT questioning the legitimacy of his win.

If you have nothing intelligent to add to the conversation, perhaps take a step back from the keyboard?
Quoting 370. georgevandenberghe:



I'm 58 and my civics education was poor. Sometime before I hit elementary school is my answer to your question


I'm 66 and I remember Civics in high school. Sometime between you and me, they stopped teaching it.
376. OKsky
Since today is a bit of a free for all. Here is a good list of sites, that if you follow and re-post uncritically you should perhaps review your worldview and do some due diligence lest you want to be dishonest with yourself.
Quoting 361. raylo:

To the mods: I would propose a simple fix to end a lot of the political nonsense. First acknowledge that this is a scientific blog and discussion and that climate change is an accepted consensus scientific premise. Therefore simply moderate out and delete any posts that purport to continue the so-called "debate" about whether or not climate change is real or a hoax. Then the rest of us can discuss the actual research, empirical effects, and policies, without having to constantly revisit nonsensical past arguments. Also agree with plans for other political oriented posts to be banned.

I can see much merit in your suggestion, but remember the old saying; "keep your friends close and your enemies closer". Allowing the deniers to post here doesn't help my blood pressure at all, but it does allow me to keep some sort of tabs on the current state of crazy.
Quoting 192. bappit:

If people really want to be pedantic, I suspect that CO2 has some reflective properties. I mean, what is the difference between scattering and reflecting? Light is scattered by the atmospheric components when it is reflected off of the molecules. Some of the scattered light winds up going back to space--giving us a blue planet.

Wikipedia: "In conventional use, [scattering] also includes deviation of reflected radiation from the angle predicted by the law of reflection. Reflections that undergo scattering are often called diffuse reflections and unscattered reflections are called specular (mirror-like) reflections"

But I agree with Hydrus. Using our full mental faculties for analogies and abstract thinking, CO2 does act like a blanket.


And we're off (get the popcorn}

C02 has the same effect as a blanket. It inhibits heat escape. How it does so is different from how a blanket does so, blankets block convection and conduction, C02 radiates. THe same outcome does not always originate from the same causes.
Quoting 377. ACSeattle:


I can see much merit in your suggestion, but remember the old saying; "keep your friends close and your enemies closer". Allowing the deniers to post here doesn't help my blood pressure at all, but it does allow me to keep some sort of tabs on the current state of crazy.

Which hasn't changed a picobit in a quarter century or more.
Quoting 368. KEEPEROFTHEGATE:

i am so tried of eating popcorn


lol


I'm tired of eating stale chips.

lol.
Quoting 374. KEEPEROFTHEGATE:


no threat just a promise


Dude, wth?

Please keep the action of my handle from public view.

Or are you not well?


%uD83D%uDE37
Quoting 351. KEEPEROFTHEGATE:

get it all out now be advised once the new blog goes up any and all political comments not relate to climate or climate policy will be removed and individuals banned for 3 days
YOU GUYS SHOULD split it in to a weather blog and a global warming blog so the people who are here for weather can get what they want. 2 separate blogs
Sheeesh,

The time is gone, the song is over, thought I'd something more to say,


Home, home again
I like to be here when I can
When I come home cold and tired
It's good to warm my bones beside the fire
Far away, across the field
The tolling of the iron bell
Calls the faithful to their knees
To hear the softly spoken magic spell's




Did GFS drop development of the sw caribbean low for 06z? It shows it way weaker.
Quoting 109. Patrap:

A simple diagram explains it all.





666


See what I just did?


Its a revelation maybe?


Trump DAT.

😯
Actually makes sense Pat..Many things emit carbon, including humans in the form of carbon dioxide..A carbon tax would be the mark...Revelations-13..

16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
386. OKsky
Quoting 377. ACSeattle:


I can see much merit in your suggestion, but remember the old saying; "keep your friends close and your enemies closer". Allowing the deniers to post here doesn't help my blood pressure at all, but it does allow me to keep some sort of tabs on the current state of crazy.


To be honest, I think we get the dumbest ones here. Anecdotally.... outside this site "deniers" I interface with usually have accepted AGW, but want to drag their feet on attempting to do anything.

Edit: If you think "dumbest" is too harsh, sry. Imo, we past the point of using words like "stubborn" loooooong ago.
Quoting 375. ChiThom:



I'm 66 and I remember Civics in high school. Sometime between you and me, they stopped teaching it.


I had "government". It's still taught today. But the personal responsibility part was lost before my schooling in the mid 60s. I learned all about my rights and how government works. Very little about my responsibilities as a citizen.
Humans breath is part of the natural co2 process.

It adds zero to ppm.

Quoting 381. Patrap:







nobody even knows what we are talking about or ever will I am your friend not enemy no matter how or what you say to me
Quoting 384. hurricaneeye:

Did GFS drop development of the sw caribbean low for 06z? It shows it way weaker.
yeah not dropped but a reflection of its current state maybe
Quoting 389. KEEPEROFTHEGATE:



nobody even knows what we are talking about or ever will I am your friend not enemy no matter how or what you say to me


If I were you right now, I'd look at my inbox.

😯
Too nice a day here to play circular logic whack a mole.

Im gonna go walk Nola Roux.

On da levee.

Cheer's


No one is going to want to hear this, but

"Permian’s Wolfcamp formation called biggest shale oil field in U.S."

Link

The reality is this: The US is about to go power thrusting in the totally wrong direction.

My personal understanding is that Abrupt Climate Change is already engaged, and the whole game is over, so I can, to some degree, maintain a philosophical view of it all, especially as I am old, will be dead soon in any case, and have no kids. I seem unable to form a final 'take away message', though. "Human monkeys should have stayed in their trees.", just doesn't cut it.

Maybe plant a sign on the Moon, pointing toward the Earth: "Darwin was there".
Quoting 389. KEEPEROFTHEGATE:



nobody even knows what we are talking about or ever will I am your friend not enemy no matter how or what you say to me


Can you give me some details please
Quoting 394. RitaEvac:



Can you give me some details please
the popcorn has too much butter on it
Quoting 294. Hurricane4Lex:
Too much fear mongering going around.


Either what he said was lies and exaggeration so he is dishonest and untrustworthy. Or what he said is what he honestly believes and will strive for, which is downright appalling and scary. With republicans acting like they have the spine of an ancient scroll of parchment in the face of Trump and Bannon as his strategist, I'm leaning towards the latter.

Regardless, nothing in his past (or recent past) gives me any doubt about his plans to destroy and dismantle environmental research and regulation organizations, including climate. He has a long history of being a denier, and not just in regards to climate change.
Quoting 388. Patrap:

Humans breath is part of the natural co2 process.

It adds zero to ppm.


True..Treez an plantz eat c02..they fricken love it...or breath it...or....o well...
Quoting 384. hurricaneeye:

Did GFS drop development of the sw caribbean low for 06z? It shows it way weaker.


It's struggling with consolidating the low. ECMWF is being much more consistent.
399. elioe
Quoting 351. KEEPEROFTHEGATE:

get it all out now be advised once the new blog goes up any and all political comments not relate to climate or climate policy will be removed and individuals banned for 3 days


I'm eagerly waiting that moment. I already made the error of replying to a master propagandist, who is always portraying him/herself as simply bringing facts (which is done extremely selectively). I'm glad to continue irritating climatological doomcasters by bringing into discussion the positive sides of climate change :)

And when it comes to future presidency of Mr. Trump, I'm eagerly waiting it, and gladly follow developments on other forums. Although I'm not sure, if constitutional rule continues in USA long enough for the presidency to begin.
It would be nice if the public would just give America's choice for president, Donald Trump, a chance. Statements made two months before he takes office - about what he's going to - are at best, premature, and at worst, irresponsible. I'm absolutely positive that his time in the Whitehouse will not result in the end of the world, and we may even see a better America in the future. We managed to survive Barack Obama, although it did cost us a few billion dollars. We can survive Donald Trump, as well.
Quoting 399. elioe:



I'm eagerly waiting that moment. I already made the error of replying to a master propagandist, who is always portraying him/herself as simply bringing facts (which is done extremely selectively). I'm glad to continue irritating climatological doomcasters by bringing into discussion the positive sides of climate change :)

And when it comes to future presidency of Mr. Trump, I'm eagerly waiting it, and gladly follow developments on other forums. Although I'm not sure, if constitutional rule continues in USA long enough for the presidency to begin.
You leveled an untrue accusation; I refuted that accusation with a statement from a highly credible outside source. I suppose it was done "extremely selectively", but that's only because I only needed that one selected source to refute you. I can give you more if you like, but I think we're done here, no?

Before this thread goes away, I'll say it again: Trump's election signals possible catastrophe for the earth's environment and those who live in it. Any thinking person realizes that. That's partly why tens of thousands have protested, and millions more are likely to.
Trump eyeing Ted Cruz for Attorney General.


"Doom,doom everywhere..."




Quoting 402. Patrap:

Trump eyeing Ted Cruz for Attorney General.


"Doom,doom everywhere..."






Hate to loose Ted in the Senate but he would make a great Attorney General
404. elioe
Quoting 401. Neapolitan:



You didn't refute anything with your link, since I never suggested, that Russia didn't influence the election. You can always deny, that you picked Trump-Russia connection to draw upon traditional, deep-stuck negative views about Russia to emotionally influence readers. In my view, despite autocratic nature of Putin regime, the regime shares many common interests with USA (as it does with European countries like Finland). So agreeing with Putin does not influence my views about Trump anyway negatively.
Quoting 400. tlmann7:

It would be nice if the public would just give America's choice for president, Donald Trump, a chance. Statements made two months before he takes office - about what he's going to - are at best, premature, and at worst, irresponsible. I'm absolutely positive that his time in the Whitehouse will not result in the end of the world, and we may even see a better America in the future. We managed to survive Barack Obama, although it did cost us a few billion dollars. We can survive Donald Trump, as well.
I refuse to give the following items "a chance" as their chances ran their course over some of the darker periods of our existence; or threaten to do so in the near future: Racism, misogeny, bigotry, xenophobia, "truthiness", climate denial, and fear-mongering. The president-elect has always posited these things prior to his campaigning, during his campaign and is now appointing people in his cabinet that will enable these things during his presidency. I will never support his cockroach philosophy.

Quoting 400. tlmann7:
 
We managed to survive Barack Obama, although it did cost us a few billion dollars. We can survive Donald Trump, as well.
Interesting how you can ignore the crash of 2008 while Geo. Bush was president. You paint events with a huge brush loaded with barrels of red paint.
Quoting 402. Patrap:

Trump eyeing Ted Cruz for Attorney General.


"Doom,doom everywhere..."





What happened to #DraintheSwamp? Heard Mitch McConnell is back as Senate Majority Leader and I have some GOP friends that are upset over that.
Geo political slants now.

Cool.

Those of us who served during the cold was know who, and what Putin is.

To compare them to the us, is just silly rhetoric.

By the gulag train load.

I thought this was a weather site and not a political site. I'm not sure why I continue to pay for access when half of what comes out is pushing an agenda. I don't think I'll be renewing next time payment is due.
From Meteorologist Jeff Baradelli - CBS 12 News, West Palm Beach, FL, Nov. 14, 2016:

"I think it's important that everyone sees this. This is our future. So if you are wondering... yes that is an octopus swimming in a parking garage, under a building down in Miami Beach tonight. While you can blame this on the super moon and extra high tides, you would not have it to this extent without rising sea levels. Humans are quickly changing our earth at our own peril. We know it. Yet we decide to ignore it. Or say it's beyond our control. I've heard and argued myself that China is too big, India is too big, we can't make a difference. But China is now already reacting quickly. So the wheels are in motion. It's in the best interest of our nation that we lead a global effort to transition to alternative energy. It will make our economy stronger, create countless jobs and make us energy independent. And all it takes is the will of the people. That's all. We simply need to stop making excuses, stop turning our backs to the problem and be the change we want to see in the world. Besides... taking care of our home is the right thing to do. Thank you Richard Conlin for the picture."

Quoting 407. GTstormChaserCaleb:

What happened to #DraintheSwamp? Heard Mitch McConnell is back as Senate Majority Leader and I have some GOP friends that are upset over that.



Senate Republicans have re-elected Kentucky's Mitch McConnell to be majority leader when the new Congress convenes in January and starts working on Donald Trump's agenda.

McConnell is widely popular among Republicans and his election was by acclimation on Wednesday. The 74-year-old is considered a clever tactician who mixes conservative leanings with a willingness to cut bipartisan deals when necessary.

Above is a snippet from ABC13 news

Quoting 406. krumholtz:


Interesting how you can ignore the crash of 2008 while Geo. Bush was president. You paint events with a huge brush loaded with barrels of red paint.



The crash was put in place under the Clinton admin. when Greenspan, Summers and Rubin refused to make changes in the trading of Derivatives. This continued under the Bush admin until finally the bottom fell out.
Quoting 340. PensacolaDoug:



Fear mongering. Pure and Simple. A year from now when you haven't had your civil-liberties stripped, will you come back and admit it in this forum? That's all you have left; The Racist thing.

The "racist thing" is a very big deal to a lot of people.
Mr. Apples like those implants
He prefers a D to a B
it helps him take his mind off of
his own inadequacy
What a Wunnnnnnderful world
Quoting 411. GTstormChaserCaleb:

From Meteorologist Jeff Baradelli - CBS 12 News, West Palm Beach, FL, Nov. 15, 2016:

"I think it's important that everyone sees this. This is our future. So if you are wondering... yes that is an octopus swimming in a parking garage, under a building down in Miami Beach tonight. While you can blame this on the super moon and extra high tides, you would not have it to this extent without rising sea levels. Humans are quickly changing our earth at our own peril. We know it. Yet we decide to ignore it. Or say it's beyond our control. I've heard and argued myself that China is too big, India is too big, we can't make a difference. But China is now already reacting quickly. So the wheels are in motion. It's in the best interest of our nation that we lead a global effort to transition to alternative energy. It will make our economy stronger, create countless jobs and make us energy independent. And all it takes is the will of the people. That's all. We simply need to stop making excuses, stop turning our backs to the problem and be the change we want to see in the world. Besides... taking care of our home is the right thing to do. Thank you Richard Conlin for the picture."




Hi Caleb, not disagreeing with you at all ...busy at work so dont have time to research but thought maybe you would know ...how much is Florida coastline sinking and could that also impact the sea level?
Thanks in advance
Quoting 414. OBXLurker:

The "racist thing" is a very big deal to a lot of people.

actually I'm still mad about him making fun of a physically disabled person, and with the exception of my soon-to-come three-day bans. I don't plan on stepping down off that soapbox
I thought this was a weather blog and we are to reframe from material not relevant to tropical weather! This is why people went to the poles to vote but so many people just can't handle the way it turned out. You had your 8 years now it's the other sides turn. Get over it!!!!
Quoting 413. nymore:



The crash was put in place under the Clinton admin. when Greenspan, Summers and Rubin refused to make changes in the trading of Derivatives. This continued under the Bush admin until finally the bottom fell out.
You need to watch this before you lay blame on the wrong president. Can't fault him for wanting to make other countries economies stronger, especially with our neighbors, but that's the American way we are always helping other countries and it does come at a huge cost. Hopefully, businessman Trump can use his business head and make the right trade deals.

Origins of NAFTA: Ronald Reagan and the North American Union
You had your 8 years now it's the other sides turn. Get over it!!!!

When YOU become physically disabled, can we make fun of you?
Quoting 421. aquak9:

You had your 8 years now it's the other sides turn. Get over it!!!!

When YOU become physically disabled, can we make fun of you?

That's not what he was doing just more media B/S!
Quoting 420. GTstormChaserCaleb:

You need to watch this before you lay blame on the wrong president. Can't fault him for wanting to make other countries economies stronger, especially with our neighbors, but that's the American way we are always helping other countries and it does come at a huge cost. Hopefully, businessman Trump can use his business head and make the right trade deals.

Origins of NAFTA: Ronald Reagan and the North American Union


What does NAFTA have to do with the dark market of trading Derivatives.
Quoting 422. gulfbreeze:


That's not what he was doing just more media B/S!
Oh please, yes let's continue to blame the media, instead of blaming what is coming out of the horses mouth. Denialism at it's finest. I don't know what's worst denying this type of behavior or denying you're an alcoholic.

Donald Trump mocks reporter with disability – video
I am delighted that Mr. Trump was duly and lawfully elected, and believe that God is in control, not man.
We need some more rain here in SE TX, hopefully front on Friday will bring a good line thru here, then plummeting to 40 degrees Sunday morning. First chill of the season coming
Quoting 419. gulfbreeze:

I thought this was a weather blog and we are to reframe from material not relevant to tropical weather! This is why people went to the poles to vote but so many people just can't handle the way it turned out. You had your 8 years now it's the other sides turn. Get over it!!!!

Very well said
Quoting 422. gulfbreeze:


That's not what he was doing just more media B/S!

Yeah guess what isn't BS. His plans to cut EPA down to nothing. To deregulate as many policies as he can to be able to produce the most emissions possible. And you wonder why this wasn't a question in any of the three debates? He would have been slaughtered by the scientific community in regard to his methodology within his plan of attack. Trumps plan will fail, there is no chance for success because when you add CO2 to the planet's atmosphere you increase it's potential to retain energy. Trump may have brief economic success, but it be followed with a mighty tank. He basically sold the public on a lie that he was never even questioned on. His entire promise is built on the destruction of the science of behind why the Climate is changing. For Trumps plan to work Climate Change can not and will not exist....

I for one, REFUSE to allow that and will become proactive 10 fold because of this man.
Quoting 400. tlmann7:

It would be nice if the public would just give America's choice for president, Donald Trump, a chance. Statements made two months before he takes office - about what he's going to - are at best, premature, and at worst, irresponsible. I'm absolutely positive that his time in the Whitehouse will not result in the end of the world, and we may even see a better America in the future. We managed to survive Barack Obama, although it did cost us a few billion dollars. We can survive Donald Trump, as well.
Not "America's Choice"; just 19% of us voted for Trump, meaning that 81% didn't. Some mandate, right? But even those who'd like to give him a chance must be frustrated at how badly the transition has been bungled, at his lack of transparency, at his cryptic tweets, at his forgotten promise to "drain the swamp" by dragging back into the White House neo-con relics like Bolton and friends, and so on. But either way, as Xyrus noted below, either he lied about everything he's said in reference to the climate, which is terribly disturbing, or he meant everything he said about it, which is equally so.

Either way, our climate is screwed--which means we're screwed.
Quoting 429. Neapolitan:

Not "America's Choice"; just 19% of us voted for Trump, meaning that 81% didn't. Some mandate, right? But even those who'd like to give him a chance must be frustrated at how badly the transition has been bungled, at his lack of transparency, at his cryptic tweets, at his forgotten promise to "drain the swamp" by dragging back into the White House neo-con relics like Bolton and friends, and so on. But either way, as Xyrus noted below, either he lied about everything he's said in reference to the climate, which is terribly disturbing, or he meant everything he said about it, which is equally so.

Either way, our climate is screwed--which means we're screwed.


Buckle up folks, gonna be a hella-va ride
JeffMasters has created a new entry.
Just one more thing - USA is not the most powerful nation of Earth, though it s a nation that has tendencies to interfere and bully other nations, just like it bullied (and still bullies) the middle east. Like Putin or not he wasn t the one who destabilized the middle east and whole politic gave birth to ISIS, that feat goes to USA and its great presidents Bush and Obama. US better not play with Russia and particularly not with China, as China is the most powerful nation on planet earth, US with its over 20 trillion dollar debt and weakened military are a joke compared to China.
Quoting 419. gulfbreeze:

I thought this was a weather blog and we are to reframe from material not relevant to tropical weather! This is why people went to the poles to vote but so many people just can't handle the way it turned out. You had your 8 years now it's the other sides turn. Get over it!!!!
we need that lunch time read gentlemen pls
435. OKsky
Quoting 433. Neapolitan:




He missed the headline while he was swimming back from the pole.
Quoting 402. Patrap:

Trump eyeing Ted Cruz for Attorney General.


"Doom,doom everywhere..."





Hiring the people he called liars...Go figah...Next he will ask Putin for pointers on how to run the country...the alliance continues...:)
Quoting 428. ILwthrfan:


Yeah guess what isn't BS. His plans to cut EPA down to nothing. To deregulate as many policies as he can to be able to produce the most emissions possible. And you wonder why this wasn't a question in any of the three debates. He would have been slaughtered by the scientific community of his plan of attack. Trumps plan will fail, there is no chance for success because you when you add CO2 to the planet's atmosphere you increase it's potential to retain energy. He basically selling the public on a lie he did not have to explain. His entire promise is built on the destruction of the science of behind why the Climate is changing. For Trumps plan to work Climate Change can not and will not exist....

I for one, REFUSE to allow that and will become proactive 10 fold because of this man.
“Allow me to issue and control the money of a nation, and I care not who writes the laws.”
Quoting 438. jackrusr:


Great laugh breaux..

Lol
Quoting 438. jackrusr:

Yeah, if you want to learn all about AGW denialism.
I go to WattsUpWithWhatever to witness the various ways the people over there make politics step forward to divert science from its intended course, which is to find answers.
But as a scientist you already knew that.
Quoting 417. justmehouston:



Hi Caleb, not disagreeing with you at all ...busy at work so dont have time to research but thought maybe you would know ...how much is Florida coastline sinking and could that also impact the sea level?
Thanks in advance

Miami is built on limestone bedrock that was formerly coral. Not sinking.
Quoting 432. Trumpisboss:

Just one more thing - USA is not the most powerful nation of Earth, though it s a nation that has tendencies to interfere and bully other nations, just like it bullied (and still bullies) the middle east. Like Putin or not he wasn t the one who destabilized the middle east and whole politic gave birth to ISIS, that feat goes to USA and its great presidents Bush and Obama. US better not play with Russia and particularly not with China, as China is the most powerful nation on planet earth, US with its over 20 trillion dollar debt and weakened military are a joke compared to China.

your not only wrong , you never put up data to back comments...and you dont know military matters and stats...Forunately, some of us do...

Quoting 442. hydrus:

your not only wrong , you never put up data to back comments...and you dont know military matters and stats...Forunately, some of us do...
The us debt is a common knowledge hydrus, the same goes to recent military budget cuts. With debt as high as your country currently has US can only bully poor countries like Syria or Libya. I don t see you actually trying to deny any part of what I just said. If you suggest that I am wrong than make a sound counter argument.
Quoting 425. Maresleg:

I am delighted that Mr. Trump was duly and lawfully elected, and believe that God is in control, not man.
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Quoting 443. Trumpisboss:


The us debt is a common knowledge hydrus, the same goes to recent military budget cuts. With debt as high as your country currently has US can only bully poor countries like Syria or Libya. I don t see you actually trying to deny any part of what I just said. If you suggest that I am wrong than make a sound counter argument.

You know what.? There is no argument. Almost everyone in this nation is aware of our national debt, military spending was cut, but you forgot or dont know what is already in place and paid. Obama is not a bully, but a certifiable bully has just won the election. No need to argue about it when folks here have been posting irrefutable proof here on the blog.

Quoting 445. hydrus:

You know what.? There is no argument. Almost everyone in this nation is aware of our national debt, military spending was cut, but you forgot or dont know what is already in place and paid. Obama is not a bully, but a certifiable bully has just won the election. No need to argue about it when folks here have been posting irrefutable proof here on the blog.
Well...we have yet to see whether Trump is (indeed) a bully. It wasn t Trump who suggested that a cyber attack should be treated as any other attack and will be met with serious economical and military responses. Look at least I am confident that Trump is less militant than Clinton, it s a great thing that he managed to win as who knows what would happen otherwise.
447. vis0
Notice how the conversation began between Pres-Elect Trump and NYC Mayor DeBlassio.(Wed. November 17th 2016.)

 

Nice weather...

 

Of course for those that think scientifically i would've added...



me as mayor:: ...funny how its warmer by 20 degrees than normal.

Trump (might say):: but it'll get colder before you know it.  

me as mayor:: yeah but we'd need 20 years of very cold weather to balance out the past 20+ years of warming Globe.

Trump (might reply):: Are you a Chinese nationalist?

 

Coincidence or twilight zone action::

Brian's blogbyte (climate-blog-with-a-touch-of-politics-for-the-ele ction-year) filled to the MAX as the election ended spoooky-eeee. ;- P

 

Was to post at Brian's blog  a bit of the conversation between NYC Mayor de Blasio and Pres. Elect Trump...but instead removed the quotes and added my take on my zilly blog  link - auto-scrolls to comment when zilly blogpg is fully loaded.
Quoting 446. Trumpisboss:


Well...we have yet to see whether Trump is (indeed) a bully. It wasn t Trump who suggested that a cyber attack should be treated as any other attack and will be met with serious economical and military responses. Look at least I am confident that Trump is less militant than Clinton, it s a great thing that he managed to win as who knows what would happen otherwise.

Your trolling...good bye...
449. vis0

Quoting 407. GTstormChaserCaleb:

What happened to #DraintheSwamp? Heard Mitch McConnell is back as Senate Majority Leader and I have some GOP friends that are upset over that.
One of the late nite hosts explained:: Once you drain the swamp you only have whats at the bottom to pick from
i.e. #DraintheSwampPickFromBottom

Of course i figure Pres Elect Trump will add some garnish to cover the stench.

scorecard :: Pres Obama raises economy slowly but surely from the biggest debt that was created  before President Obama came into office.  Raising the economy slowly but surely is THE CORRECT WAY to rescue any bad economic situation. (unless yer Mr. Trump and force cities to give bail outs, don't pay fair share taxes or blame the hard worker read Trumps history)

anyone remember when as a kid one ask Father or Mother for money but only gave you so much so they could slowly but surely pay for your college or for their golden nest, instead of giving in to the kid(s) that kept tugging at their clothing yelling i want THAT toy OR MORE MONEY. 
ONE HAS TO AT TIMES SACRIFICE TO REACH A BETTER END, INSTEAD TRUMP IS JOINING THOSE THAT RATHER WASTE NOW for the quick fix false bottom.  When this ship (Earth) sinks we all go with it literately, all the money in the world Nature does not take, Nature's currency is unconditional love.

If Trump keeps his word as to trying the quick fix can we call him the false prophet?  

Imagine if ones parents instead of saving took all the money to Las Vegas and place it on red 17 (unless they where my friends (Anthony) parents) see what i did there with a...roulette.

Statue of Trumpety::

"Give me your botoxed, your rich, your exclusive VIPs yearning to stomp thee, the golden yachts of your exclusive shore. Send these, the exclusive, hand-picked to me, I lift my wealth as thy offer to the entrance door!"
America's choice? Pretty much. In this case, like a lot of elections, it was decided by who didn't vote.
- 70M voted Democrat in 2008, but only 61M in 2016. So 9 Million decided not to vote for Clinton.
- 60M voted Republican in 2008, and 61M in 2016. I actually think a bunch of Republicans could not vote for Trump either, and but he picked up some folks who want the autocrats out of Washington D.C. and were not satisfied with the lack of 'Change' by the previous president. So here goes.

But I hope the hundreds of folks who protested in each of the major cities keep it up! Free speech is the best thing we have in this country. And we all need to be involved to make this work. Hopefully it is with sound reasoning, patient interaction, and not just hysterically repeated rhetoric (which is pretty much what we got during the campaign season).

Quoting 429. Neapolitan:

Not "America's Choice"; just 19% of us voted for Trump, meaning that 81% didn't. Some mandate, right? But even those who'd like to give him a chance must be frustrated at how badly the transition has been bungled, at his lack of transparency, at his cryptic tweets, at his forgotten promise to "drain the swamp" by dragging back into the White House neo-con relics like Bolton and friends, and so on. But either way, as Xyrus noted below, either he lied about everything he's said in reference to the climate, which is terribly disturbing, or he meant everything he said about it, which is equally so.

Either way, our climate is screwed--which means we're screwed.
Quoting 382. Tampa969mlb:

YOU GUYS SHOULD split it in to a weather blog and a global warming blog so the people who are here for weather can get what they want. 2 separate blogs
They already have a climate change blog, by Dr. Rood, they just want to come over here to ruin a weather blog. It would be nice to get back to the days when this was a weather blog, maybe one day. It sure was nice to have a cool day down here in South Florida, for once, hope we get a nice hurricane to track in the coming week, would be a nice sendoff to the season.
$19,842,173,949,869.58
Get over it,your side lost.
454. OKsky
Quoting 453. steve4747:

Get over it,your side lost.


You don't get to vote on science.

Quoting 451. NativeSun:

They already have a climate change blog, by Dr. Rood, they just want to come over here to ruin a weather blog. It would be nice to get back to the days when this was a weather blog, maybe one day. It sure was nice to have a cool day down here in South Florida, for once, hope we get a nice hurricane to track in the coming week, would be a nice sendoff to the season.


Your problem is with Jeff and Bob the authors of this blog not the commenters that discuss the post's topic. Whine to them or leave.

Edit: t
So according to the Trumpies, a nice weather blog excludes talking about the science of weather. I prefer a science based weatber site - not a climate change denial site.
Too bad we only talk politics and ignore possible hurricanes. Thought this was a Hurricane/Weather blog?
Humans have got to be contributing to "climate change" or whatever the heck people want to call it, but it's pretty much human ego to think that we are causing it.
The issues I care about:
1. Getting rid of government services
2. Lower taxes
....
589. Climate Change
Guys:

It's over!!! This foolishness is coming to an end!!!

Bert
Quoting 458. jsmm8mpn:

The issues I care about:
1. Getting rid of government services
2. Lower taxes
....
589. Climate Change
Which government services would you like to "get rid of"? The US military? The internet? GPS? Police? Fire Department? Highways? Roads? Bridges? Stop lights? Medicare? Social Security? The FAA? The FBI? The NSA? The FDA? Par Service? National Hurricane Center? The Judicial system? The Post Office? Dams? Canals? What?!

See, when someone parrots "get rid of government" nonsense, they're safely ignored.
Quoting 457. JrWeathermanFL:

Humans have got to be contributing to "climate change" or whatever the heck people want to call it, but it's pretty much human ego to think and it's the overwhelming scientific consensus that we are causing it.
Fixed it for you.
Quoting 456. engineer49:

Too bad we only talk politics and ignore possible hurricanes.
Given that 96% of the blog entries are about tropical and extreme weather, your first sentence has no basis in reality.
Quoting 456. engineer49:
Thought this was a Hurricane/Weather blog?
It appears you thought wrong, my friend...
Quoting 457. JrWeathermanFL:

Humans have got to be contributing to "climate change" or whatever the heck people want to call it, but it's pretty much human ego to think that we are causing it.

Nope it's science Link
Quoting 433. Neapolitan:


Ya know,climate is not just Trump's deal- the climate is everybody's responsibility. Everyone is looking to blame someone for everything. Everyone should be concerned about the climate as with all aspects of this great country. I don't think Trump's win will be the destroying factor of climate- do your part to conserve. Why aren't more people concerned about their own contribution? Come on, give the guy a chance- now to weather- what about the disturbance in the making?
Quoting 451. NativeSun:

They already have a climate change blog, by Dr. Rood, they just want to come over here to ruin a weather blog. It would be nice to get back to the days when this was a weather blog, maybe one day. It sure was nice to have a cool day down here in South Florida, for once, hope we get a nice hurricane to track in the coming week, would be a nice sendoff to the season.

Judging from the topic of the blog entry itself, I think climate change discussion is allowed.
Quoting 465. weathertrouble:

Ya know,climate is not just Trump's deal- the climate is everybody's responsibility. Everyone is looking to blame someone for everything. Everyone should be concerned about the climate as with all aspects of this great country. I don't think Trump's win will be the destroying factor of climate- do your part to conserve. Why aren't more people concerned about their own contribution? Come on, give the guy a chance- now to weather- what about the disturbance in the making?
GFS doesn't develop it Euro sends a major into Central America. I think we have a decent chance at seeing hurricane Otto in the next week or so.
Latest EURO run:
we all have to be good stewards of our home planet. and if not you will be judged when you visit st peter on that heavenly express that we all will take the ride on. from moneymike @ kcae