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Leonardo DiCaprio’s Before the Flood: A Movie Review

By: Jeff Masters 3:09 PM GMT on October 31, 2016

“Before the Flood” is Academy Award-winning actor and environmental activist Leonardo DiCaprio’s worthy 96-minute documentary on climate change that will be streamed for free all week on Facebook, Youtube, Hulu, Playstation, and can be viewed on demand on Apple iTunes, Amazon, and GooglePlay. DiCaprio spent three years traveling the globe to meet with key political leaders, climate scientists and environmental leaders to understand and document the changes and challenges of climate change. While the movie does not cover much new ground compared to other climate change documentaries like An Inconvenient Truth, it is entertaining to see DiCaprio’s personal journey of understanding, which started with a meeting with Al Gore in 2000, when DiCaprio had “no clue” on the issue of climate change. The movie is worth watching just to see DiCaprio’s remarkable star power—which allows him to interview President Obama, Pope Francis, U.N. Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon, Tesla Motors founder Elon Musk and U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry.


Figure 1. Leonardo DiCaprio visits the NASA Goddard Space Flight Centre to discuss Earth science with former astronaut Dr. Piers Sellers. Image credit: NASA/GSFC.

Highlights
The movie gets its name from a scene in Hieronymus Bosch’s painting "The Garden of Earthly Delights", which hung over DiCaprio’s bed as a child. He gives a rather compelling personal narrative on how the painting influenced him, and how the painting’s final panel, showing a “paradise that’s been degraded and destroyed”, acts as a warning to humanity on what awaits if we fail to act on climate change.

Another excellent scene occurs when DiCaprio visits with former astronaut Dr. Piers Sellers. Accompanied by spectacular time-lapse video from the International Space Station, Sellers describes how the experience of looking down on Earth from space made him immensely more fond of the planet and its people. In a dark room illuminated by full-wall graphics of Earth, he then describes how a stage-four cancer diagnosis inspired him to create visualizations of the Earth to help educate and draw attention to climate change and its impacts.

The movie ends with a speech DiCaprio gave in April 2016 to the general assembly of the United Nations in his role as a U.N. Messenger of Peace with special focus on climate change. “No more talk, no more excuses, no more 10-year studies,” DiCaprio says in the speech. “This is the body that can do what is needed, all of you sitting in this very hall. The world is now watching. You will either be lauded by future generations or vilified by them.” As he delivers his words, the movie cuts between video of him speaking and images of a planet in peril, in a way I found very moving.

Overall: three stars out of four
While the movie documents many gloomy and depressing aspects of climate change—like pollution in China, sea level rise in Florida and on low-lying Pacific islands, the climate denial industry in the U.S. and the failure of the U.S. to lead on the climate change issue—the movie shows there is a lot of optimism that we can avoid a fate like depicted in “The Garden of Earthly Delights”. One of the more hopeful moments comes during DiCaprio’s interview with Tesla founder Elon Musk, who is building the world’s second largest building—a lithium-ion battery “Gigafactory” near Reno, Nevada. Musk estimates that 100 such factories would be enough to power the entire world. DiCaprio, who admits to a profound pessimism about climate change several times during the movie, brightens, as he and Musk use the word “manageable!” to describe the issue of powering the world with renewable energy.

DiCaprio gets the science of climate change right in “Before the Flood”, and addresses pretty much all the key issues—an impressive feat for a non-scientist. The only major dings I give against the movie—it is, after all, a documentary—is that it has no real plot, not much action, and runs a little long at 96 minutes. Nevertheless, I highly recommend checking out “Before the Flood”, and give it three stars out of four. I also recommend the companion website, beforetheflood.com, which has nearly 50 articles by leading climate change communicators and climate scientists.

Links to my other reviews of climate change documentaries

The 2013 six-part Tipping Points series that aired on the Weather Channel.

James Cameron’s 8-part series on climate change, Years of Living Dangerously, which aired on Showtime.

Al Gore’s 2006 movie, An Inconvenient Truth.

The 2013 documentary, Greedy Lying Bastards.


Video 1. The YouTube trailer for Leonardo DiCaprio's 96-minute climate change documentary, Before the Flood.

Jeff Masters

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The views of the author are his/her own and do not necessarily represent the position of The Weather Company or its parent, IBM.

Reader Comments

some in new thanks
Well this is a nice change of pace after the pretty active season, thanks for the read!
Thanks Doc, you're review is pretty much the same as mine.It was an excellent documentary...
Interesting. Did DiCaprio make

1) a documentary about climate change, or
2) a documentary about himself and his personal journey, emphasizing his star power and connections, while giving free(?) advertising for Mr. Musk, under the pretext of climate change?

I'm afraid I'll waste 96 minutes of my life, but I'll still watch it.

Ps. after all, since the consequences of climate change are much more visible in the future than the present, drama is much more capable of interesting portrayal than documentary. The fictional 2050 weather reports were a magnificent example.
PHOTOS: After Diwali Fireworks, Toxic Smog Shrouds New Delhi

On Sunday, India celebrated Diwali with lamps, candles, feasting and fireworks. Now, a day after fireworks for the festival of lights, New Delhi is choked with a thick, dark smog.

The celebrations sharply exacerbated the city's perpetual pollution problems — the BBC reports that in the wake of the fireworks, levels of extremely small particulate matter more than doubled over the course of a few hours.


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faster and faster


thanks for the update here is the full film



Thanks for the update.


GFS shows a Hurricane just SW of Jamaica on November 16th. moving to the NW. This is one system that we will all have to watch. Time to review my Hurricane plans again. IT'S NOT OVER TILL THE FAT LADY SINGS.
Quoting 9. HurriHistory:



GFS shows a Hurricane just SW of Jamaica on November 16th. moving to the NW. This is one system that we will all have to watch. Time to review my Hurricane plans again. IT'S NOT OVER TILL THE FAT LADY SINGS.

90% of these long range systems do not develop. It's still hurricane season, we still need to be weary, but I wouldn't worry too much unless this one sticks around on the models for awhile.
Since AGW can't be a political litmus test under current U.S. conditions, we're left to watch attractive people in documentaries talk about it.

I love docs, even ones I don't agree with or ones that use hyperbole.

This one is worth watching. You get the formula though, Bad + Bad + Bad + Ray Of Hope = Call to Action.

We're watching it on the deck of the Titanic, so to speak, and it is far to late to turn the ship.
BBC: Nepal drains dangerous Everest lake

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that is one wigged out painting
Piers Sellers : Space, Climate Change, and the Real Meaning of Theory
The New Yorker - August 2016.

Review : 7 key scenes in Leonardo DiCaprio's climate film Before the Flood
Carbon Brief - October 2016. w/ videos.
Iraq’s skies darken as Isis torches oil

Aid teams near the town of Qayyarah, about 80 kilometres south of the Isis stronghold of Mosul, talk of escaping civilians being covered in oil residues.

“Everywhere is covered in a fine dusting of black soot and grime”, one aid worker from the Save the Children charity told the BBC.

“And the children we met were covered in it – their hands were black, their feet were black and their hair was matted…they were coming out in rashes, developing problems with their lungs.”


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From keeper's link -
1,753,999 views
Quoting 15. RobertWC:

Iraq's skies darken as Isis torches oil

(...)

Link

The fires today, via NASA Worldview. Aqua/Modis (true color) :

They've been burning for months in the Qayyarah oil field area.*
Sulfur Dioxide Spreads Over Iraq
NASA Earth Observatory.
(...) Already, sulfur dioxide emissions from the fire have been significant. If the sulfur dioxide were coming from a volcano rather than a fire, it would already be among the largest eruptions of 2016, Carn noted in a tweet on October 25, 2016.
* This is an image from July 02, 2016, still using NASA Worldview : Link
Quoting 16. RobertWC:

From keeper's link -
1,753,999 views

1,805,251 views
Thanks for the Blog on the film. I am not a big fan of "star power" when it comes to public and social issues (they are just human and not any more educated than us commoners) but it does have it's place in terms of access. I remember when Bono from U2 had meeting with Bush II and convinced him to increase some of the AIDs funding to Africa by convincing him, as Bush was a well know Christian, that the AIDs epidemic in Africa was a modern day equivalent of Leprosy and that they deserved more of our help as it was the Christian thing to do.
With a few exceptions; Brian May (Guitarist from Queen) comes to mind with his PhD in Astro-Physics.......................... :)
Quoting 18. KEEPEROFTHEGATE:

1,805,251 views


National Geographic has over 5 million subscribers on the net.
I think every science classroom in the country had a National Geographic magazine collection in their room at one time.
Is it really 76 in Denver?
This isn't just a fluke anymore
Quoting 22. NativeSun:

Who cares.


Quoting 11. ariot:

Since AGW can't be a political litmus test under current U.S. conditions, we're left to watch attractive people in documentaries talk about it.

I love docs, even ones I don't agree with or ones that use hyperbole.

This one is worth watching. You get the formula though, Bad + Bad + Bad + Ray Of Hope = Call to Action.

We're watching it on the deck of the Titanic, so to speak, and it is far to late to turn the ship.


Climate Change Anthem:

From 1982 album: "Big Science"

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Another interesting thing or rather movie that we would never have known about without this website!

Meanwhile Madrid is so polluted this week that car parking in the city has been banned and there is a 70KPH or about 45MPH speed limit on the free-ways. They really don't know what to do about it and its going to be continuing all week at least. They are even talking about banning odd or even number plated cars on alternate days.
There will be all sorts of screamers coming out of the closets about how its not necessary but then again that's human nature if you inconveniences them and after all they always say, "its not really my problem,"
So I'll keep an eye on the situation and of course watch the movie.
Quoting 22. NativeSun:

Who cares.


you make me so sad, how can you not care about our home?
Quoting 23. 19N81W:

Is it really 76 in Denver?
This isn't just a fluke anymore


its been touching the low 80s.... we have been having night time lows in the 50s.. one day last week it was 63 for a LOW!

Quoting 22. NativeSun:

Who cares.

People who are not militantly ignorant care. People who are wiling to value empirical evidence over political philosophy or theology care. People who are not so stupid as to think that is is humans and not nature that calls the shots on this rock care. That's who cares.
Quoting 22. NativeSun:

Who cares.


Most people that have been properly educated on the subject do...
Just as a general question to the AGW sceptics / deniers. What exactly is it about AGW that you do not believe to be occurring? I see it at its most basic as 3 simple steps of logic

1) Infrared radiation from the planet is absorbed be certain molecules in the atmosphere - Methane, CO2 etc thus reducing heat loss to space - this is easily verified in the lab

2)We are burning vast quantities of fossil fuels and thus increasing the levels of CO2 in the atmosphere - this is directly (through atmospheric sampling) and indirectly (through sales of fossil fuels) measurable

3) As the amount of heat absorbed due to (1) should be proportional to the amount of gas doing the absorbing, and that amount is known to be increasing (2), then the amount of heat retained in the atmosphere must increase, all other factors being equal.

What am I missing?

I know a lot of people may say that having actors and stars talk about climate change is false advertising or bad science, but as long as said people are agreeing with the science, that's what matters.

As an aspiring scientist and meteorology major in college, I'm not offended that a movie actor is able to influence people better than me? Why, because it's not an ego battle issue for me. We all have different skills and abilities. In general, though I love people and prefer people and nature to computers, I've never been popular or largely influential. That's fine though, because as I said, we all have different skills and talents.

Given that the massive negative impacts of the changing climate is not an issue that can easily be quantified and made personal and is thus rather abstract.. I think it's a good thing if pop culture icons get behind it as long as they are representing the facts.

One of the biggest issues about our warming earth, is the difficulty of getting people to realize how dangerous and serious it is. Scientists are great at doing science. But scientists aren't good at compelling an audience and making something hit home with people personally.

Now I don't want to be super pessimistic and negative, but from what I've seen, the majority of people rarely agree with the right thing to do for more than a short period of time. I don't think we will ever be able to fix the warming Earth issue because I don't think we'll be able to convince enough people and get enough done.

Despite that, I am not one of defeatism. Though I'm expecting the worst, I'll keep fighting for the best and hoping for the best. I just believe in being wise about human nature and realizing how we got where we are today and how some things never change in that most people often only change when it's too late. Though, I can be at peace in saying I do my best to do my part in my life and in warning other people.
Eric Holthaus on Twitter - 20 min ago :
"Parts of the Arctic are currently more than 20 deg C warmer than 'normal', but don't worry."
Eric Holthaus on Twitter - 1 h ago :
"You know what's actually scary? This year's abrupt warming of the Arctic."
Link
Quoting 22. NaiveSun:

Who cares.


I would say "everyone except people influenced by oil industry PR". Except they care as well or else they wouldn't feel the need to make pointless asinine comments like "Who cares"...... so I guess the answer is everyone? As usual with this topic... you have nothing to add to the conversation and I really wish we had working "downvotes" on here.
Quoting 18. KEEPEROFTHEGATE:

1,805,251 views

1,898,831 views
The votes @ Utube for the movie read like the new high vs new low temperature records -
91,028 thumbs up
4,461 thumbs down
Quoting 9. HurriHistory:



GFS shows a Hurricane just SW of Jamaica on November 16th. moving to the NW. This is one system that we will all have to watch. Time to review my Hurricane plans again. IT'S NOT OVER TILL THE FAT LADY SINGS.

I dont think that this will happen but its still hurricane season.
I 'm going to solve for you the mystery of the name Trixie you have been pondering over! Be warned the source of the name is pretty anticlimactic.

Anyway I'm the reason the European media called it 'Trixie'. I'm basically a nobody that has an obsession with medicanes, I track them every year between September and January and write them up on my blog. In the case of this one, I had been intrigued by the WRF output quite early on (e.g https://twitter.com/QuantumOverlord/status/7910396 75775451137). I usually name medicanes myself, although if there is a commonly accepted name I use that in the blog writeup to avoid confusion. This time I elected to solicit choices for the names. I asked people on the TWO forum what they wanted to call the system (if it were to form). A number of names were suggested, and I ran a poll to pick the winner which was Trixie. The guy that named it uses the pseudonym 'bertwhistle' and he says he picked that name because it was it sounds a little bit like Triq which was the maltese for 'Roads' and the Medicane at that point looked like it was going to hit Malta.

As to why the European media picked up on it, I can only assume my rampant tweeting had something to do with it. I did start tweeting about it pretty early on, and I guess the media just picked it up and ran with it.

So there you go, I did want to relieve the anguish and tell you all yesterday, but wunderground verification takes 24 hours.
Hot Climate Conjures Trio of Nasty Halloween Tricks — Heatwaves, Record-Low Sea Ice, Fall Greenland Melt

With each passing year, the effects of human-caused climate change become more and more visible. But for some reason, Halloween appears to be a preferred time for the emergence of various hothouse hobgoblins. In 2012, the Atlantic seaboard was reeling after a vicious strike from Hurricane Sandy. Over the past three years, powerful North Atlantic storms had begun to build at this time of year, setting sights on the UK and Europe. This year, as a hurricane-force low roars toward the Aleutians, the nastiness comes in the form of weird heatwaves, record-low global sea ice coverage, and hints of odd late-fall Greenland melt.

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Afternoon all .... looks like Roatan is getting a pretty heavy downpour today ....

Quoting 31. OviedoWatcher:

Just as a general question to the AGW sceptics / deniers. What exactly is it about AGW that you do not believe to be occurring? I see it at its most basic as 3 simple steps of logic

1) Infrared radiation from the planet is absorbed be certain molecules in the atmosphere - Methane, CO2 etc thus reducing heat loss to space - this is easily verified in the lab

2)We are burning vast quantities of fossil fuels and thus increasing the levels of CO2 in the atmosphere - this is directly (through atmospheric sampling) and indirectly (through sales of fossil fuels) measurable

3) As the amount of heat absorbed due to (1) should be proportional to the amount of gas doing the absorbing, and that amount is known to be increasing (2), then the amount of heat retained in the atmosphere must increase, all other factors being equal.

What am I missing?


Some people are not this logical.
2,119,884 views
Quoting 31. OviedoWatcher:

.

What am I missing?




None of them can form a reasonable and supported scientific rebuttal. Not even the ones who get paid to do so.

You are missing the tribal and supernatural element.

If AGW is valid, then my whole tribal (political) system is invalid (example, capitalism as it exists today).

If AGW is valid, then my supernatural system that tells me humans have dominion is invalid. This calls my thoughts that evolution isn't valid into question. This calls my thoughts that creationism is valid into question.

They won't admit it, but many (if not most) simply can't change their minds when presented with evidence.

This place seems familiar?
When will the number for the October Planet average temp be out? Anyone want to make a guess?

I'll take a shot. 13.5 C
Watched the documentary of DiCaprio in German translation. I concur with the review in the blog entry, thanks Doc.

----------------------

Here a short report about the impacts of our medicane in Crete:

Tempest stuns western Crete
Katherimini, NEWS 22:04
Flights were canceled and trees uprooted on Monday in western Crete after it was hit by a violent storm that caused torrential rain and floods in the wider region of Hania, including the villages of Askifou, Sfakia and Falasarna and the Samaria Gorge.
According to the National Observatory of Athens, wind speeds reached 85 kilometers per hour, grounding flights to and from Hania International Airport.
Storms also struck the southern Peloponnese, with heavy rains affecting Cape Malia and the town of Monemvasia, while the National Meteorological Service (EMY) station on the island of Antikythira recorded wind speeds of up to 100 kilometers per hour.


More reports see European Severe Weather Database.

Meanwhile TWC picked up the story of the medicane:
Halloween Surprise: Rare Tropical Storm Forms in Mediterranean Sea
By Jon Erdman, Published Oct 31 2016 04:24 PM EDT, weather.com

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and a good night!
Quoting 38. QuantumOverlord:

I 'm going to solve for you the mystery of the name Trixie you have been pondering over! ...

Wow, thank you for the effort of coming here and tell us! And I was somehow right when I was suspicious of your tweets as the source of spreading the name, lol. Nice trick on Halloween! :-)

Edit: Found the page with the Trixie naming :-)
Quoting 43. ariot:



None of them can form a reasonable and supported scientific rebuttal. Not even the ones who get paid to do so.

You are missing the tribal and supernatural element.

If AGW is valid, then my whole tribal (political) system is invalid (example, capitalism as it exists today).

If AGW is valid, then my supernatural system that tells me humans have dominion is invalid. This calls my thoughts that evolution isn't valid into question. This calls my thoughts that creationism is valid into question.

They won't admit it, but many (if not most) simply can't change their minds when presented with evidence.


Capitalism can certainly produce a lot of evil when unregulated and unchecked, but that doesn't mean it must be discarded. Human beings unregulated are also quite terrifying. But Capitalism is also the source from which new products like renewable energy can thrive and become widespread and affordable.

I'm a conservative that is against massive government spending of both the Republicans and the Democrats, but I support a carbon tax and I'm anti-war except for when absolutely necessary for major world threats like a Hitler type scenario.
I'm also a Christian, and I know a lot strong younger Christians in my friend group who also believe Global Warming is serious threat like my self.

Admitting humans are warming the Earth has nothing to do with a Christian world view as it is a science issue. Though due to the careless and behavior of human activity that led to the crisis, if anything, it supports it. Though this is a science blog, so I won't get into that.
That said, be careful of making broad generalizations and making assumptive associations.

The lack of believing Global Warming is due to a number of reasons for many people. Sometimes it's due to being an abstract concept so it doesn't come off as being a threat that feels serious on a personal level. Sometimes it's because people are part of a cultural movement that doesn't agree with it, and people being social are heavily influenced by friend groups and the culture involved. Other times it's because people aren't educated. Sometimes though people are aware of the danger, but don't believe they can make a difference. Another case is when people are going through things that feel like a more immediate concern like poverty, disease, war, and many other struggles and serious threats that plague many lives that could also be being influenced partly by the changing climate but don't feel that way to people.

There are many more reasons, but just understand that human thought is complex, and I've met many smart people that don't believe it's a threat or that it exists. It's a complex issue and the movie "Before the Flood" does a good job touching on many of the complex issues that influence the struggle to change without developing a complex of superiority of looking down on those who don't embrace the need for climate reform.

Quoting 48. Jedkins01:



Capitalism can certainly produce a lot of evil when unregulated and unchecked, but that doesn't mean it must be discarded. Human beings unregulated are also quite terrifying. But Capitalism is also the source from which new products like renewable energy can thrive and become widespread and affordable.

I'm a conservative that is against massive government spending of both the Republicans and the Democrats, but I support a carbon tax and I'm anti-war except for when absolutely necessary for major world threats like a Hitler type scenario.

I'm also a Christian, and I know a lot strong younger Christians in my friend group who also believe Global Warming is serious threat like my self.

Admitting humans are warming the Earth has nothing to do with a Christian world view as it is a science issue. Though due to the careless and behavior of human activity that led to the crisis, if anything, it supports it. Though this is a science blog, so I won't get into that.

Be careful when making broad generalizations and making assumptive associations.

The lack of believing Global Warming is due to a number of reasons for many people. Sometimes it's due to being an abstract concept so it doesn't come off as being a threat that feels serious on a personal level. Sometimes it's because people are part of a cultural movement that doesn't agree with is, and people being social are heavily influenced by friend groups and the culture involved. Other times it's because people aren't educated. Sometimes it's because though people are aware of the danger, but don't believe they can make a difference. Other times it's because people are going through things that feel like a more immediate concern like poverty, disease, war, and many other struggles and serious threats that plague many lives that could also be being influenced partly by the changing climate but don't feel that way to people.

There are many more reasons, but just understand that human thought is complex, and I've met many smart people that don't believe it's a threat or that it exists. It's a complex issue and the movie "Before the Flood" does a good job touching on many of the complex issues that influence the struggle to change without developing a complex of superiority of looking down on those who don't embrace the need for climate reform.




So we have to stop AGW, but you don't like regulation? Check.

Ok on the relligion. I can generalize all I want. You disagree. Cool.

Quoting 22. NativeSun:

Who cares.



Quoting 32. Jedkins01:

I know a lot of people may say that having actors and stars talk about climate change is false advertising or bad science, but as long as said people are agreeing with the science, that's what matters.

As an aspiring scientist and meteorology major in college, I'm not offended that a movie actor is able to influence people better than me? Why, because it's not an ego battle issue for me. We all have different skills and abilities. In general, though I love people and prefer people and nature to computers, I've never been popular or largely influential. That's fine though, because as I said, we all have different skills and talents.

Given that the massive negative impacts of the changing climate is not an issue that can easily be quantified and made personal and is thus rather abstract.. I think it's a good thing if pop culture icons get behind it as long as they are representing the facts.

One of the biggest issues about our warming earth, is the difficulty of getting people to realize how dangerous and serious it is. Scientists are great at doing science. But scientists aren't good at compelling an audience and making something hit home with people personally.

Now I don't want to be super pessimistic and negative, but from what I've seen, the majority of people rarely agree with the right thing to do for more than a short period of time. I don't think we will ever be able to fix the warming Earth issue because I don't think we'll be able to convince enough people and get enough done.

Despite that, I am not one of defeatism. Though I'm expecting the worst, I'll keep fighting for the best and hoping for the best. I just believe in being wise about human nature and realizing how we got where we are today and how some things never change in that most people often only change when it's too late. Though, I can be at peace in saying I do my best to do my part in my life and in warning other people.


Jed, there maybe a few celebrities that I would actually listen to on social or political issues but the majority I just ignore. Knowing that someone like LC did so much research, I would value his views. However, right now Miley Cyrus and Katie Perry are everywhere telling people to vote for Hilary. I'm sorry but I don't care what people like Miley and Katie have to say about anything and I would hope most would think the same. I use resources like this site, TWC and my own research to learn about social and political issues. I would much rather hear about climate change from an aspiring scientist such as yourself versus Hannah Montana.
Tonight's forecast: Dark with a chance of goblins!

Quoting 52. KEEPEROFTHEGATE:




Thanks Keeper :)

What averages are those figures a departure from ...? It is probably there but my eyes don't pick up everything somehow.

Edit: NM, I found it.
Yes we are. Lots of thunder and lightning.
Yes we are lots of thunder and lightning in Roatan
blockquote class='blogquote'>Quoting 40. BahaHurican:

Afternoon all .... looks like Roatan is getting a pretty heavy downpour today ....


Quoting 56. Stamfordbridge:

Yes we are. Lots of thunder and lightning.

Found this realtime lightning map, which includes a thunder soundwave motion graphic, like a ripple, whenever there's a strike somewhere.
Link
Quoting 59. GeoffreyWPB:




Happy Xoween, Geoff
Merry Christmas all!

Quoting 52. KEEPEROFTHEGATE:



GFS predicts constant below-average temperatures to Southern Finland for the next 16 days. It seems incredible lately. I have christened Nov-Dec the climate change season, since by now, they are virtually the only months in which climatic changes have been easily noticeable beneath natural variability. For the five autumns/winters I have lived in this city, all have had their permanent winter snow only in early January. None of those had a white Christmas. Traditionally, the chance of white Christmas should be somewhat above 90%.
Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists - October 2016 :

Just 90 companies are accountable for more than 60 percent of greenhouse gases

Super emitters: the low-hanging fruit

The study tracing super emitters follows closely on the heels of the news that just 90 companies are responsible for more than 60 percent of greenhouse gas emissions. Together the two reports suggest that focusing on a relatively small number of emissions sources could be a highly effective way to take a big bite out of climate pollution.

Edit - here's an interesting video, with rather bad audio unfortunately :
John Schellnhuber: the non-linearity of the climate challenge
Stockholm Resilience Centre - May 2016.
Today the moon was the furthest from Earth since November 9, 2007 and the furthest it will be until March 24, 2020. Now the moon has begun racing towards the Earth for its closest approach since January 26, 1948 at 6:30 a.m. EST, November 14th and less than 2 1/2 hours from the full moon. On November 7th and 8th, the moon will be approaching the earth at more than 150 mph. Keep looking up!

The moon tonight
Quoting 61. Grothar:

Happy Xoween, Geoff
Merry Hexmas, Grothar.
I was always told that setting goals is important, so my goal for Oct. was to get 10" of rain, finally made it on the last day, 10.3" for the month here in Acme, WA.



Visited the land of ice and snow yesterday. Coleman glacier N side of Mt Baker Wa.
Good evening

It's 82 and feeling like 91 on this side of the island this evening. Looks like the rain held off for the trick or treaters tonight, but looking like some good rains starting in the early hours tomorrow, along with this warning:

" St.Thomas...St. John.. and Adjacent Islands Severe Watches & Warnings NOAA Weather Radio

Watches & Warning

Flash Flood Watch

Issued: 1:49 PM AST Oct. 31, 2016 – National Weather Service

... Flash Flood Watch in effect from Tuesday morning through
Wednesday afternoon...

The National Weather Service in San Juan has issued a

* Flash Flood Watch for all Puerto Rico and U.S. Virgin Islands.

* From Tuesday morning through Wednesday afternoon

* abundant moisture combine with an upper level trough will result
in very unstable atmosphere across the forecast area. Widespread
showers and thunderstorms... some with very heavy rains... are
likely across portions of Puerto Rico from Tuesday morning to
Wednesday afternoon. Soils across the islands remain saturated
as significant rainfall accumulations have been observed across
the island in the past few days. Additional heavy rain over the
already saturated soils will result in flooding at
rivers... streams... urban and low-lying areas.
Additionally... mudslides are likely in areas of steep terrain.

* Residents in the flood prone areas are urged to take
precautionary measures to protect life and property... pets...
livestock... equipment and personal belongings."

Looking like the rainy trend is going to continue for a week or so. Hoping that CaribBoy will be getting some of this!

Lindy
Quoting 64. BaltimoreBrian:

Today the moon was the furthest from Earth since November 9, 2007 and the furthest it will be until March 24, 2020. Now the moon has begun racing towards the Earth for its closest approach since January 26, 1948 at 6:30 a.m. EST, November 14th and less than 2 1/2 hours from the full moon. On November 7th and 8th, the moon will be approaching the earth at more than 150 mph. Keep looking up!


What luck! I already KNEW that doing the election judge thing was going to be zonko this year. Toss in a big full moon! Oh boy!
Quoting 69. Jedkins01:



Yeah I agree, and that's what I meant by I'm fine with culture icons being activists for things that are true. Don't even get me started on Hillary ugghh. It's not a political blog so I won't go there. Though I can't stand Hillary I'm certainly no fan of Trump either though. Would have been better if it was Ted Cruz vs Bernie Sanders.


A week before the election and I'm waiting to see who is behind door #3. Ugh...
Quoting 49. ariot:



So we have to stop AGW, but you don't like regulation? Check.

Ok on the relligion. I can generalize all I want. You disagree. Cool.




I didn't say I was against regulation. On the contrary, I said I was for the carbon tax and said that unregulated capitalism leads to a lot of evil and greed.

And I never said you couldn't generalize, I said be careful doing so.

Have a happy Halloween.

Sweet Jesus, if I am just as dumb as turnip. I’d be happy as clam.
How long ago was the James Burke special "After the Warming"? 'cause that one was loooong before AGW got known well enough to be politicized.
Quoting 73. nonblanche:

How long ago was the James Burke special "After the Warming"? 'cause that one was loooong before AGW got known well enough to be politicized.

1989
Here's a review of that one, dated 1997. After the Warming
Quoting 73. nonblanche:

How long ago was the James Burke special "After the Warming"? 'cause that one was loooong before AGW got known well enough to be politicized.

Another rarity from 1989

Sting's climate and environment message 1989
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__eqXoRYNwQ
Quoting 74. oldnewmex:


1989
Here's a review of that one, dated 1997. After the Warming

After the Warming https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfE8wBReIxw
About to cross 4 million views ................

"The ocean is not Republican and it's not Democratic, all it knows how to do is rise," Miami Beach mayor Philip Levine tells DiCaprio in the doco, followed by Cruz's denials and this from Trump at an election rally: "It's supposed to be 70 degrees today and it's freezing (pause for laughter). Speaking of global warming, where is ...? We need some global warming."

The Sidney Morning Herald in the "Entertainment Section"


3,588,883 views
124,565 likes 5,955 not so much.
Quoting 70. Bucsboltsfan:



A week before the election and I'm waiting to see who is behind door #3. Ugh...


What's behind Door #3 are the 82 million Americans eligible to vote who didn't vote in 2012. That's about 15 million more people than the current President's vote tally in 2012. A mighty force waiting to be tapped. One large enough to form an entirely separate party, though that is not likely to occur.
Quoting 77. RobertWC:

About to cross 4 million views ................

"The ocean is not Republican and it's not Democratic, all it knows how to do is rise," Miami Beach mayor Philip Levine tells DiCaprio in the doco, followed by Cruz's denials and this from Trump at an election rally: "It's supposed to be 70 degrees today and it's freezing (pause for laughter). Speaking of global warming, where is ...? We need some global warming."

The Sidney Morning Herald in the "Entertainment Section"

Only about 6,996,000,000. Inhabitants left to view it then, if there are 4 million viewers so far.
Bases on a rough estimate of total planetary inhabitants as of about now.

I suppose that the thing about the 4 million views at the moment, is that most of those viewers didn't need to see the movie, as they already know most of its contents. The big problem is to get those who are not aware of its contents to dedicate at least a bit of their precious time to watching it, in between all the other vital things they always need to do in their very busy lives of either consumption, or trying to survive!
carib boy buckets overflowing?
I watched the movie. I gave it a thumbs up.
Hopefully some star power will get the movie some views and excite the environmentalist base. I seriously doubt any deniers of climate change will watch it but we know what politics are really about. Get the base excited and the independents will follow. That makes a political change happen. Anyhow my 5 second movie report for 3rd grade English - The Garden of Earthly Delights was an excellent theme and the foresight the artist Hieronymus Bosch has is spot on. However if you're up for a DiCaprio movie that is edited entirely into a perfect main character, its just DiCaprio being himself and not a character engineered to sympathize with. The right wing has this figured out and their productions are a masterpiece of phony characterization inserted perfectly into mainstream media. I hate to admit it but this is whats required to make a movement happen.
Quoting 80. PlazaRed:


Only about 6,996,000,000. Inhabitants left to view it then [snip]


Then we need to get them to do something different in their lives...
even bigger news than this is the coming solar expansion ...saw it on science channel as our sun uses up its fuel, its going to expand and engulf the earth...now thats real bad in my book, but no ones talking about it. its a ways away but very serious..for sure.
Good morning, good morning Independence Holiday here in Antigua. Skies seriously overcast showers and thunderstorms in the forecast. Glad I'm home. Have a great day everyone
Quoting 30. ILwthrfan:



Most people that have been properly educated on the subject do...
Quoting 30. ILwthrfan:



Most people that have been properly educated on the subject do...
Yes I just received the response I was looking for, how big are the actors carbon footprints, how much fossil fuels were used in making this movie or any other movie these highly paid actors make?
Good Morning folks; while things are quiet in the Atlantic as they should be as the season closes down this month, here is the rest of the world in November in the Northern Hemisphere...............On the assumption that AGW warming congregates closer to the equatorial regions and slowly propagates to the North (including tropical storms that eventually move towards the pole and in ocean currents like the Gulf Stream), and that jet stream patterns (the wavy amplification issues) often allow warm bursts of mid-latitude air to flow over the Arctic regions, we need to start keeping an eye on West-Pac typhoons over the next few months that often cause those jet stream "ripples" as they move into the North Pacific waters.

Pretty amazing to me how the West Pac ITCZ remains so active after the close of the Atlantic season and often spawns some Fall/Winter Typhoons that end up impacting the short-term weather over North America and sometimes all the way to Europe.


Combined image of all basins

GFS still wanting to develop a tropical system but keeps pushing the formation date out further each cycle.

Quoting 87. NativeSun:

Yes I just received the response I was looking for, how big are the actors carbon footprints, how much fossil fuels were used in making this movie or any other movie these highly paid actors make?


that doesnt make the science wrong. that bothered me too! dicaprio does talk about his own carbon footprint, and it does seem a bit hypocritical for him to be bringing all this attention to an issue he hasn't yet figured out in his own life. but to me that's kind of the crux of the problem. noone wants to make significant lifestyle/consumption changes, so it's easy to point fingers at the one's with the biggest carbon footprints (for sure they should be leading by example).

again, just because he has a high carbon footprint, or the making of the movie emitted a lot of greenhouse gases, doesn't make the science wrong. it just makes us stupid.
My reason for 3 out of 4 stars would be failing to specifically mention the ONLY political party in the world united in climate change denial and in favor of fossil fuel expansion ⭐⭐⭐
Quoting 4. elioe:

Interesting. Did DiCaprio make

1) a documentary about climate change, or
2) a documentary about himself and his personal journey, emphasizing his star power and connections, while giving free(?) advertising for Mr. Musk, under the pretext of climate change?

I'm afraid I'll waste 96 minutes of my life, but I'll still watch it.

(snip)
I watched the first 40 minutes. It's just as you expected, it's all about DiCapprio's journey into climate change awareness, and his star power! I think I will try to watch the final 56 minutes sometime soon. So far, I don't think that promoting Musk is part of the documentary, he is more of a cameo?
Only 30 more days of Hurricane Season. Then comes the transformation of the blog; several months of climate conversation that ultimately follows the very familiar pattern of, "if you don't believe what I believe, then you're an idiot." I don't know many people who have changed their mind because they lost a debate (A man convinced against his will, if of the same opinion still). But I do know lots of folks who changed because someone patiently presented information and allowed for differences without anger or malice.
Quoting 84. Tampa969mlb:

even bigger news than this is the coming solar expansion ...saw it on science channel as our sun uses up its fuel, its going to expand and engulf the earth...now thats real bad in my book, but no ones talking about it. its a ways away but very serious..for sure.

Not sure if joking.....

If you aren't....

Are you really using the crazy Gary Johnson argument? It's thought that the sun will engulf the earth some 5.4 billion years from now, but before that the earth will be scorched in about 3.5 billions years. If you really think this is something we should be preparing for now, well I have no words for you.
Quoting 95. fmbill:

Only 30 more days of Hurricane Season. Then comes the transformation of the blog; several months of climate conversation that ultimately follows the very familiar pattern of, "if you don't believe what I believe, then you're an idiot." I don't know many people who have changed their mind because they lost a debate (A man convinced against his will, if of the same opinion still). But I do know lots of folks who changed because someone patiently presented information and allowed for differences without anger or malice.


If your house is on fire and there is someone parked in front of the fire hydrant blocking its use, do you patiently present them with information on why it's imperative they move their car, or do you shove the idiot, take their keys, and move the car for them? This is almost the same thing. The idiots who willfully block carbon emission regulations (the fire hydrant) are literally allowing our planet to burn up. Try to educate them all you want, but at some point you have to shove them aside because we have a freaking planet to save, our planet, and their planet as well.
Quoting 97. pipelines:



If your house is on fire and there is someone parked in front of the fire hydrant blocking its use, do you patiently present them with information on why it's imperative they move their car, or do you shove the idiot, take their keys, and move the car for them? This is almost the same thing. The idiots who willfully block carbon emission regulations (the fire hydrant) are literally allowing our planet to burn up. Try to educate them all you want, but at some point you have to shove them aside because we have a freaking planet to save, our planet, and their planet as well.


Ah...I see your point. However, as a person who has served in the fire service for over 30 years, I don't think that is the best analogy to use. I mean, seriously, it took many years to get the planet in this shape, and it will take many years to rectify it...but it only takes an instant to start a fire, which dictates a completely different time-scale for response. I'm not saying we shouldn't be aggressive or passionate for what is right, just that at some point, the method of communicating can become counter-productive. The message MUST be told; the METHOD is what I have a hard time agreeing on.
Good morning. Looks like southeastern America is experiencing another hit of wide spread severe weather. There are already reports of big hail and flooding.


Current satellite shot from wetteronline.de (saved).

Squall hits Piriapolis - all of Uruguay under metheorological orange alert
Tuesday, November 1st 2016 - 04:59 UTC
Excerpt: According to Brazilian private forecast company MetSul a new extratropical cyclone affecting the south and east of Uruguay is to be expected. On Tuesday November 1 there will be "lots of rain and storms in several cities with volumes of 50 mm to 100 mm in a short period of time in some places and heavy storms with strong winds and localized hail," while warned that "a new extratropical cyclone formed in eastern Argentina and will cause strong winds for several hours in the south and east of Uruguay with speed of 60 km/h to 80 km/h and higher gusts of 80 km/ha 100 km/h" on November 2.


Source.
Quoting 67. VirginIslandsVisitor:

Good evening

It's 82 and feeling like 91 on this side of the island this evening. Looks like the rain held off for the trick or treaters tonight, but looking like some good rains starting in the early hours tomorrow, along with this warning:

" St.Thomas...St. John.. and Adjacent Islands Severe Watches & Warnings NOAA Weather Radio

Watches & Warning

Flash Flood Watch

Issued: 1:49 PM AST Oct. 31, 2016 – National Weather Service

... Flash Flood Watch in effect from Tuesday morning through
Wednesday afternoon...

The National Weather Service in San Juan has issued a

* Flash Flood Watch for all Puerto Rico and U.S. Virgin Islands.

* From Tuesday morning through Wednesday afternoon

* abundant moisture combine with an upper level trough will result
in very unstable atmosphere across the forecast area. Widespread
showers and thunderstorms... some with very heavy rains... are
likely across portions of Puerto Rico from Tuesday morning to
Wednesday afternoon. Soils across the islands remain saturated
as significant rainfall accumulations have been observed across
the island in the past few days. Additional heavy rain over the
already saturated soils will result in flooding at
rivers... streams... urban and low-lying areas.
Additionally... mudslides are likely in areas of steep terrain.

* Residents in the flood prone areas are urged to take
precautionary measures to protect life and property... pets...
livestock... equipment and personal belongings."

Looking like the rainy trend is going to continue for a week or so. Hoping that CaribBoy will be getting some of this!

Lindy



I live on cariboy's island, and we get nothing! only very light rain. I hope that the flash floods you get in the VI will survive and come to us. Heavy rains please, 300 or 400 mm woukd be a good idea !
102. OKsky
Quoting 99. fmbill:



Ah...I see your point. However, as a person who has served in the fire service for over 30 years, I don't think that is the best analogy to use. I mean, seriously, it took many years to get the planet in this shape, and it will take many years to rectify it...but it only takes an instant to start a fire, which dictates a completely different time-scale for response. I'm not saying we shouldn't be aggressive or passionate for what is right, just that at some point, the method of communicating can become counter-productive. The message MUST be told; the METHOD is what I have a hard time agreeing on.


To me the point of publicly ridiculing someone that is confident in their scientific illiteracy isn't to "convert" the target of ridicule. The point is to create a culture where that mix of arrogance and intellectual laziness is entirely shunned as it has NO value.

EDIT: haven't had any coffee yet
NOAA Global Climate Change Indicators

Introduction

Many lines of scientific evidence show the Earth's climate is changing. This page presents the latest information from several independent measures of observed climate change that illustrate an overwhelmingly compelling story of a planet that is undergoing global warming. It is worth noting that increasing global temperature is only one element of observed global climate change.

Precipitation patterns are also changing; storms and other extremes are changing as well.


Perhaps Mr. Musk has a plan which he ultimately hasn't made us aware of. For each and every one of these ignorant individuals, directly responsible for the destruction of our planet, they should receive a FREE one way ticket to Mars on SpaceX.

See ya!


single little blip of a sundog in high cirrus, during the setting sun last night in toronto.
Quoting 103. CaribBoy:




Nothing nothing nothing...
LinkLink

'weather reanalyzer': http://cci-reanalyzer.org/DailySummary/#T2_anom
'Canadian Cryospheric Information Network (CCIN)': https://ccin.ca/home/ccw/seaice/current

Watched the entire movie just 2 days ago... excellent and unaffected insight into the dynamics of the arctic's rapid change in climate. I have been monitoring the data from a variety of sources, and as of today, 01 Nov., it is 6C above the normal, as show in link 1. Also, ice cover is presently at a "surprising" record low, link 2.
Quoting 107. zicoille:



Nothing nothing nothing...



Plenty of it for the sea... :/
Quoting 86. NativeSun:

Another movie actor, and I wonder how much fossil fuel was used in making all these actors so much money, and Mr. DiCaprio's fossil fuel foot print is how large? Please enough of this ****.
Quoting 87. NativeSun:

Yes I just received the response I was looking for, how big are the actors carbon footprints, how much fossil fuels were used in making this movie or any other movie these highly paid actors make?


I guess unfortunately, in your world view, is that in order to get messages across in a society dominated by popular culture and media, things like this must be made. This absurdist argument essentially posits that the message is bad because in its effect it is based in the system of dominant production by way of fossil fuel usage for energy production. What your argument fails to acknowledge is that the current system creates a structure which limits the agency we have as individuals to affect societal change by way of things like economics and access to resources. By focusing on this reductionist argument that fails to acknowledge structural constraints of individual action, you, again, miss the point.
Quoting 109. CaribBoy:



Plenty of it for the sea... :/


And the sun is back, Booooooooo
112. OKsky
Quoting 110. Naga5000:



I guess unfortunately, in your world view, is that in order to get messages across in a society dominated by popular culture and media, things like this must be made. This absurdist argument essentially posits that the message is bad because in its effect it is based in the system of dominant production by way of fossil fuel usage for energy production. What your argument fails to acknowledge is that the current system creates a structure which limits the agency we have as individuals to affect societal change by way of things like economics and access to resources. By focusing on this reductionist argument that fails to acknowledge structural constraints of individual action, you, again, miss the point.


I wonder what NaiveSun thinks when they go to get their eyes checked and the optometrist is wearing glasses.... I bet it blows their mind.
Quoting 88. weathermanwannabe:

Good Morning folks; while things are quiet in the Atlantic as they should be as the season closes down this month, here is the rest of the world in November in the Northern Hemisphere...............On the assumption that AGW warming congregates closer to the equatorial regions and slowly propagates to the North (including tropical storms that eventually move towards the pole and in ocean currents like the Gulf Stream), and that jet stream patterns (the wavy amplification issues) often allow warm bursts of mid-latitude air to flow over the Arctic regions, we need to start keeping an eye on West-Pac typhoons over the next few months that often cause those jet stream "ripples" as they move into the North Pacific waters.

Pretty amazing to me how the West Pac ITCZ remains so active after the close of the Atlantic season and often spawns some Fall/Winter Typhoons that end up impacting the short-term weather over North America and sometimes all the way to Europe.


Combined image of all basins




AGW and El Nino actually present an interesting contrast in that warming for AGW is largest at high latitudes with effects spreading out from and consequential to what happens there. El Nino by contrast presents as an enormous tropical warmth burst in the equatorial Pacific and consequences spread poleward from there. We are currently dealing with the diminishing tail end of the latter while the former silently and inexorably progresses.
Click image to watch the whole movie on Youtube :


I gotta get myself
Off the side of the road
I gotta get myself up off the side of the road
Things are lookin' clear as they've ever been
Don't know how it'll end but I know where to begin

Gotta get myself
Off the side of the road
I got to quit lying to myself
And let the truth be told
I got to quit lying to myself
And let the truth be told (...)


The Record Company - Off The Ground (Official Music Video - Youtube)

Elderly at Greater Risk For Dementia After Natural Disasters, New Study Says

Pam Wright
Published: November 1, 2016



The elderly have a greater risk of developing dementia after a natural disaster, researchers say.

According to a recent study conducted by researchers at Harvard University's T.H. Chan School of Public Health, the loss of property and loved ones in the aftermath of a natural disaster increases the symptoms of dementia in the elderly.

The study, published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences journal (PNAS), looked at the elderly victims of the 2011 Great East Japan Earthquake and subsequent tsunami and found that people 65 and older who lost their homes were much more likely to experience increased symptoms of dementia than those who were able to remain in their homes.

“In the aftermath of disasters, most people focus on mental health issues like PTSD,” said Dr. Hiroyuki Hikichi, a research fellow at Harvard Chan School and lead author of the study, according to Reuters. “But our study suggests that cognitive decline is also an important issue. It appears that relocation to a temporary shelter after a disaster may have the unintended effect of separating people not just from their homes but from their neighbors — and both may speed up cognitive decline among vulnerable people.”

The earthquake that struck Japan in March 2011 generated a devastating tsunami that was observed all over the Pacific and caused tremendous devastation locally, including an accident at the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant.
(Patrick Fuller. IFRC/NOAA)The researchers, working alongside colleagues in Japan, used the data of 3,594 elderly residents who had participated in a health survey as part of an ongoing study of aging known as the Japan Gerontological Evaluation Study (JAGES). The survey was conducted in the coastal city of Iwanuma, which is approximately 50 miles from the epicenter of the earthquake.
According to the study, the initial survey examined the subjects' health status, health behaviors, social determinants of healthy aging and the prevalent symptoms of dementia. At the time, 4.1 percent of the participants assessed had symptoms of dementia and 54 percent presented with signs of hypertension.

A second survey was conducted by the Harvard team on the same participants two-and-a-half years after the tsunami.

The survey revealed the out of 3,566 survivors of the tsunami disaster, 38 percent reported that they lost relatives and/or friends and 58.9 percent reported property damage.

The second survey revealed that the number of participants suffering symptoms of dementia had jumped to 11.5 percent and the prevalence of hypertension had risen to 57.2 percent. The prevalence of stroke after the tsunami nearly doubled, from 1.5 percent to 2.9 percent.

(VIDEO: Map Shows Path of 2011 Japan Tsunami)

Those who were forced to move to temporary housing after their homes were either significantly damaged or destroyed had the highest levels of cognitive decline, which seemed to increase depending on the severity of the damage.

The loss of relatives and/or friends did not seem to impact cognitive abilities, which came as a surprise to the researchers, because many studies have concluded that a strong social network is important for cognitive health, according to the study.

According to arstechnica.com, previous studies have surmised that there may be a connection between natural disasters and cognitive decline, but this is the first study of its kind to do so.
Re : barbamz .100 :
Thanks for the info.
Red alert issued in the northern half of Uruguay by InUMet :
Source
A twitter account dedicated mostly to local meteorology : Link
Quoting 116. 999Ai2016:

Thanks for the update, 999.

Sure some severe stuff over Uruguay and their neighbours right now:


Click to get the loop.
Quoting 95. fmbill:

Only 30 more days of Hurricane Season. Then comes the transformation of the blog; several months of climate conversation that ultimately follows the very familiar pattern of, "if you don't believe what I believe, then you're an idiot." I don't know many people who have changed their mind because they lost a debate (A man convinced against his will, if of the same opinion still). But I do know lots of folks who changed because someone patiently presented information and allowed for differences without anger or malice.

Anger and frustration does not work ever, it just makes the person think you are an idiot
JeffMasters has created a new entry.
Quoting 26. PlazaRed:

Another interesting thing or rather movie that we would never have known about without this website!

Meanwhile Madrid is so polluted this week that car parking in the city has been banned and there is a 70KPH or about 45MPH speed limit on the free-ways. They really don't know what to do about it and its going to be continuing all week at least. They are even talking about banning odd or even number plated cars on alternate days.
There will be all sorts of screamers coming out of the closets about how its not necessary but then again that's human nature if you inconveniences them and after all they always say, "its not really my problem,"
So I'll keep an eye on the situation and of course watch the movie.


Was there last week and it was pretty bad as well. Good to see they are limiting parking.
Quoting 84. Tampa969mlb:

even bigger news than this is the coming solar expansion ...saw it on science channel as our sun uses up its fuel, its going to expand and engulf the earth...now thats real bad in my book, but no ones talking about it. its a ways away but very serious..for sure.


You do realize that man will be long gone from the planet before this happens in several billion years.
Quoting 102. OKsky:



To me the point of publicly ridiculing someone that is confident in their scientific illiteracy isn't to "convert" the target of ridicule. The point is to create a culture where that mix of arrogance and intellectual laziness is entirely shunned as it has NO value.

EDIT: haven't had any coffee yet

Public ridicule is against wu's rules of the road. To make a judgment that another commenter is arrogant or intellectually lazy perpetuates the problem I have seen here for many years (and so have you). Successful education of any kind involves understanding you are dealing with humans. Ridicule and a judgmental attitude alienate listeners.

Quoting 97. pipelines:



If your house is on fire and there is someone parked in front of the fire hydrant blocking its use, do you patiently present them with information on why it's imperative they move their car, or do you shove the idiot, take their keys, and move the car for them? This is almost the same thing. The idiots who willfully block carbon emission regulations (the fire hydrant) are literally allowing our planet to burn up. Try to educate them all you want, but at some point you have to shove them aside because we have a freaking planet to save, our planet, and their planet as well.
P=poor analogy. I did not park my car anywhere. I have a tiny carbon footprint and have had since the mid-1970s. Carbon rationing per individual and business akin to commodity rationing during WW II would be perfect. If one exceeds their ration, then let the carbon tax kick in.

I do not need my carbon regulated. How about you? How about Leonardo DiCaprio - an excellent actor who is maybe trying, in his own way, to make up for his footprint?

I hear big-foot-print George Clooney bought one of the first Teslas that came off the assembly line. Wish I could afford one. The new, lowest cost model Tesla is promising will be $35, 000. To date, Teslas are the only all-electrics in which long distance travel may soon be feasible across the U.S. How about we advocate for electric car "filling" stations? That would be a worthy and reachable goal to help make the transition for vehicles (to get) off fossil fuel. Still, If not well-planned, grid drain from hundreds of thousands of e-cars and e-trucks and e-semis could be a substantial problem.

Also of note, over the past four years or so, U.S. brand auto makers have invented new gasoline engines and (used foreign engines) to stretch the mpg ratings in many case into the high 30s mpg. Took long enough. This also will help with transition.

Reducing carbon emission is far more involved than moving a parked car away from a fire hydrant. Demand from the general public up to the big boyz (and girlz) will cause more change than any comment on this blog can effect by insults and scare tactics.