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High Wind Shear Rips Apart Tropical Storm Sandra

By: Jeff Masters 3:24 PM GMT on November 28, 2015

Something to give thanks for this holiday weekend: Tropical Storm Sandra was shredded apart by 50 knots of wind shear early Saturday morning before the storm could make landfall on the Pacific coast of Mexico, ending the reign of this most unusual late-season storm. Earlier in the week, record-warm ocean waters helped Sandra set the record for the latest major hurricane ever observed in the Western Hemisphere, as the storm maintained at least Category 3 strength from 21 UTC November 25 through 03 UTC November 27 (previous record: an unnamed Atlantic hurricane in 1934 that held on to Category 3 status until 00 UTC November 24.) When Sandra peaked as a Category 4 storm with 145 mph winds on November 26, it became the latest Category 4 storm ever observed in either the Eastern Pacific (previous record: Hurricane Kenneth on November 22, 2011) or the Atlantic (previous record: "Wrong Way" Lenny on November 18, 1999.) Prior to Sandra, the strongest East Pacific hurricane so late in the year was 1983’s Winnie, which topped out on December 6 at 90 mph winds. Sandra was also the first major hurricane in the Western Hemisphere that has ever been observed on Thanksgiving Day. Sandra was the record-shattering 25th Category 4 or stronger tropical cyclone in the Northern Hemisphere in 2015. According to wunderblogger Dr. Phil Klotzbach's Twitter feed, the previous record was eighteen such storms in 1997 and 2004.


Figure 1. MODIS satellite image of Hurricane Sandra taken at approximately 2 pm EST November 27, 2015. At the time, Sandra was a Category 1 storm with 80 mph winds, and was rapidly being shredded apart by high wind shear. Image credit: NASA.


Figure 2. Projected 3-day precipitation totals (rain and melted snow/sleet) for the period from 7 am EST Saturday, November 28, through Tuesday, December 1.

Moisture associated with Sandra fuels heavy rain event over Texas
Moisture streaming ahead of Sandra from the tropical Eastern Pacific into the Southern U.S. contributed to a heavy rainfall event over Texas and Oklahoma on Thursday and Friday, and this tropical moisture will continue to fuel heavy rains across portions of Arkansas, Mississippi, and Tennessee during the remainder of the holiday weekend. The rain of 3.45" that fell Friday on Dallas-Fort Worth gave them their wettest November calendar day on record, their wettest November on record (7.99" so far, previous record 7.94" in 1918), their wettest fall on record (now up to 19.95"), and their wettest year on record (now 56.91", previous record 53.54" set in 1991.) Thanks go to TWC's Michael Palmer for these stats.

Have a great rest of your Thanksgiving weekend, everyone!

Jeff Masters
From the Inside 2
From the Inside 2
Not a thick coating, but a nice even coating of ice.

Hurricane

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Reader Comments

send that heavy rain event too CA TX dos not need it
Thanks Doc..Amazing how shear can kill such a powerful force so quick.
Is Sandra the reason why the forecast for Houston area was very mild and yet I woke up to 50o chill this morning?
ECMWF brings a storm into Northern California 144hrs out:


GFS showing snow and rain as well in Northern California around 5-6 days out as well!

Powerful subtropical jet.

Oklahoma City outages at 55,363.
Quoting 7. MahFL:

Oklahoma City outages at 55,363.


Luckily it's "only" 32 degreees in Oklahoma City. When I lived there and we lost power (for a couple days) it was 2 degrees. We had about 1-2" thick ice on the inside of the windows. The dog's water bowl in the kitchen was a solid block of ice. That's how cold it got in the house.
And they told us "Oklahoma has mild Winters" before we moved there.

Expected high of 52 degrees on Monday for Oklahoma City. So they just need to make it through the next day or two and they should be okay.
Some reports of 1" ice west of OKC. Hopefully the winds remain tame. Doesn't take much once you have more than 0.5" to bring lines and trees down.

Quoting 7. MahFL:

Oklahoma City outages at 55,363.
Quoting 9. HaoleboySurfEC:

Some reports of 1" ice west of OKC. Hopefully the winds remain tame. Doesn't take much once you have more than 0.5" to bring lines and trees down.


Half an inch is hazardous, an inch will cause damage...trees and powerlines usually the first to go
76.6 and Gaw-jus in NOLA today.


Today be Turkey Pot Pie Day .


Wobble,Gobble'


How peculiar
The COC of Sandra still looks good on the current sat image. I remember the other day, one of the models predicted an open wave by the time it reached the coastline, whichever model that was, could be the winner by the time it does, being Sandra's really slowed down.

A shear decapitated storm.






The El Reno area got hit particularly hard, and it seems that most of the focus is on that region
The western part of Oklahoma also had a good bit of ice and snow.

Here in Stillwater (where the big game will be played today!) it came down slow enough, and the ground is warm enough, that the roads are clear. Just grey, cold and dreary the past couple days - did scrape a little bit of ice off the car this morning though.

Hope all have had a fantastic and safe Thanksgiving weekend with family and friends!
Sandra now is basically a dry windstorm.

Wet pattern setting up for the West Coast next week.

Negatively tilted mid latitude Pacific jet with the tilt off the California coast, which ought to spin up something.
Thanks for the update Dr Masters. That shear put a azz whupping on Sandra!
Thanks for the Update Dr. Masters.....

43.2F here this morning, forecast was 36F, no complaints....lol
Quoting 18. BayFog:


Negatively tilted mid latitude Pacific jet with the tilt off the California coast, which ought to spin up something.


Yup.......looking like some wetness for you folks north of me. Clear and cool here in San Diego County after 3 days of light/moderate rain showers totalling about .50" at mi casa.
Quoting 17. BayFog:


Wet pattern setting up for the West Coast next week.


So far, NWS and GFS calling for slight chance showers for Friday next week for Soo Cal with ECMWF with wetter forecast.........we will see.
At mi casa yesterday High 45 Low this morning was 32


Weather Conditions for:
Sunshine Summit, CA. SSSSD (SDGE)
Elev: 3244 ft; Latitude: 33.344; Longitude: -116.732

Current time: Sat, 28 Nov 10:14 am PST
Most Recent Observation: Sat, 28 Nov 10:00 am PST
Explanation of Wx and Clouds columns.
Time Temp. Dew Relative Wind Wind Quality
Point Humidity Direction Speed Control
(PST) (f) (f) (%) (mph)
28 Nov 10:00 am PST 46 23 40 SSE 5G10 OK
28 Nov 9:50 am PST 46 23 40 SSE 5G11 OK
28 Nov 9:40 am PST 46 25 43 SE 4G09 OK
28 Nov 9:30 am PST 45 24 43 ESE 5G09 OK
28 Nov 9:20 am PST 45 23 42 SE 3G07 OK
28 Nov 9:10 am PST 44 25 47 ESE 2G04 OK
28 Nov 9:00 am PST 43 25 48 E 3G05 OK
28 Nov 8:50 am PST 42 27 56 ESE 4G05 OK
28 Nov 8:40 am PST 40 27 60 ESE 4G05 OK
28 Nov 8:30 am PST 39 27 61 ESE 3G04 OK
28 Nov 8:20 am PST 38 27 63 ESE 3G05 OK
28 Nov 8:10 am PST 37 27 66 ESE 3G04 OK
28 Nov 8:00 am PST 37 26 65 SE 3G04 OK
28 Nov 7:50 am PST 36 26 66 SE 3G05 OK
28 Nov 7:40 am PST 36 26 66 SSE 3G05 OK
28 Nov 7:30 am PST 36 26 68 SSE 2G03 OK
28 Nov 7:20 am PST 35 26 68 SE 2G04 OK
28 Nov 7:10 am PST 36 25 64 ESE 1G03 OK
28 Nov 7:00 am PST 35 25 67 SSW 1G03 OK
28 Nov 6:50 am PST 33 25 71 S 1G03 OK
28 Nov 6:40 am PST 33 25 71 G01 OK
28 Nov 6:30 am PST 33 26 74 SSW 1G01 OK
28 Nov 6:20 am PST 32 25 76 G01 OK
Quoting 20. PedleyCA:

Thanks for the Update Dr. Masters.....

43.2F here this morning, forecast was 36F, no complaints....lol


Got my space heater cranking! Brrrrrrrrrrrrrr!
Apparently this November didn't get the memo and it looks like neither will December that this is fall not second Spring.
Quoting 24. HurricaneHunterJoe:



Got my space heater cranking! Brrrrrrrrrrrrrr!


Chili up in them thar hills..... typos on purpose
Quoting 25. washingtonian115:

Apparently this November didn't get the memo and it looks like either will December that this is fall not second Spring.
Yea, with it being 68 degrees outside with cloudy skies, it seems like April wanted to come for a while visit.
Quoting 27. Climate175:

Yea, with it being 68 degrees outside with cloudy skies, it seems like April wanted to come for a while visit.



Send that 68 over here....
Quoting 14. Patrap:

A shear decapitated storm.







Yep..I thought it was forecast to hit land today.
Quoting 27. Climate175:

Yea, with it being 68 degrees outside with cloudy skies, it seems like April wanted to come for a while visit.
My daughter goes to school in Deleware and she works retail part time.She is saying they've had trouble selling coats and sweaters because of the nild weather.People are walking around in short sleeves right now as we speak.
miami disco:

DISCUSSION...

TODAY-SUNDAY...UPPER LEVEL LOW NE OF THE BAHAMAS CONTINUES
RETROGRADING SW INTO THE CARIBBEAN OVER THE WEEKEND WITH THE RIDGE
OVER THE GULF BUILDING INTO FL AND THE W ATLANTIC BEHIND IT. LOW
LEVEL FLOW REMAINS SIMILAR TO THE PAST FEW DAYS WITH THE RIDGE
OVER THE SE AND A TROUGH UNDER THE UPPER LOW TO OUR EAST. AS THE
RIDGE CENTER DROPS FURTHER SOUTH AND THE TROUGH WASHES OUT,
PRESSURE GRADIENT WILL CONTINUE TO RELAX, BUT CONTINUING BREEZY NE
WINDS ALONG THE EAST COAST.

RUC ANALYSIS SHOWS SOME DRIER LOW LEVEL AIR BEING ADVECTED INTO
THE REGION DURING THE DAY WITH CONTINUING VERY DRY AND SUPPRESSED
MID LEVELS. ATLANTIC SHOWERS REMAIN A POSSIBILITY, BUT OVERALL
COVERAGE AND INTENSITY OF SHOWERS LOOKS SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER AND
FAIRLY ISOLATED, ESPECIALLY TODAY. LIGHTER WINDS ALSO MEAN LESS
INLAND PENETRATION SO INTERIOR AND GULF COAST REMAIN DRY.

THOUGH TIDAL ANOMALIES ON THE EAST COAST HAVE REMAINED AROUND
0.7FT, WITH THE FULL MOON AND PEAK TIDES A FEW DAYS BEHIND US, IT
DOESN`T APPEAR THAT WE WILL REACH THE THRESHOLD FOR TIDAL
FLOODING. AND GIVEN THE LACK OF REPORTS FOR THE PAST TWO CYCLES,
THE COASTAL FLOOD STATEMENT HAS BEEN DROPPED.

THE MAIN COASTAL CONCERN WILL CONTINUE TO BE ROUGH SURF AND RIP
CURRENTS ON THE ATLANTIC BEACHES GIVEN THE 4-6FT NE SWELL CONTINUE
TO FILTER INTO PALM BEACH AND N BROWARD BEACHES.

MONDAY-WEDNESDAY...UPPER LEVEL LOW RETROGRADES FAR ENOUGH SOUTH
INTO THE NW CARIBBEAN TO BE OF MINIMAL CONCERN FOR S FL AS WE`RE
UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF A LOW LEVEL RIDGE TO OUR NORTH AND MID-
UPPER LEVEL RIDGE THAT SLIDES ACROSS EARLY WEEK. OVERALL PATTERN
CONTINUES FOR ATLANTIC SHOWERS BRUSHING EAST COAST, BUT AS THE
PRESSURE GRADIENT WEAKENS AND MODELS INDICATE SOME DRYING, RAIN
CHANCES WILL BE LOWER, BARELY 20% AT TIMES. SOME MODEL DIFFERENCES
WITH THE APPROACH OF THE NEXT FRONT BY WEDNESDAY MAY BRING
SLIGHTLY BETTER RAIN CHANCES IF THE FASTER SOLUTIONS PLAY OUT.
SEASONABLE TEMPS WILL CONTINUE THOUGH A LITTLE ABOVE NORMAL IN THE
LOW-MID 80S, ESPECIALLY ALONG THE WESTERN INTERIOR AND GULF COAST
WHERE PREVAILING FLOW WILL BE MORE OFFSHORE.

LATE NEXT WEEK...THE GFS AND ECMWF HAVE SOME DIFFERENCE OF
OPINION AS TO THE APPROACH AND PASSAGE OF THE NEXT FRONT WITH THE
GFS BEING THE MORE PROGRESSIVE. GFS BRINGS THE BOUNDARY INTO S
FLORIDA ON THURSDAY BEFORE IT STALLS WHILE THE ECMWF STALLS IT
MORE ACROSS CENTRAL FL. REGARDLESS, IT LOOKS LIKE THIS WON`T BE A
"CLEAN" FRONTAL PASSAGE AS THE LOW LEVEL FLOW BEHIND IT TOO
QUICKLY TURNS EAST-NORTHEAST AND THE BOUNDARY HALTS ITS FORWARD
PROGRESS. THE PATTERN LOOKS TO BE SHAPING UP FOR ANOTHER BREEZY TO
WINDY WEEKEND WITH THE CONTINUATION OF SCATTERED ATLANTIC SHOWERS.

it seems that the it'll be a while till we see another fropa thru southern florida
Quoting 3. kinase1:

Is Sandra the reason why the forecast for Houston area was very mild and yet I woke up to 50o chill this morning?
No, Sandra was partially to blame for your rain, but not colder air. A cold front has moved through Houston and is in the process of stalling just off the coast. The forecast on Thursday was for this front to remain just west of Houston with you on the warm side of the front. The front instead decided to push through, so now you have the cooler air. This is the same kind of thing that happens in south Alabama, where a cold front will run out of steam near me. How far it gets before running out of steam can have a big effect on temperatures. It's a tough thing to forecast.

Quoting 25. washingtonian115:

Apparently this November didn't get the memo and it looks like either will December that this is fall not second Spring.


75 here today. Crazy.
Michael Ventrice ‏@MJVentrice 10h10 hours ago
The North Atlantic Oscillation (NAO) peaked out at 2.6 sigma above avg today, the highest amplitude o/the past 90d
Quoting 29. hydrus:

Yep..I thought it was forecast to hit land today.
It looks like the remnant low may finally be starting to pick up some forward speed, but it was stationary for a couple hours early this morning, and it's still moving at only about 5 mph. It was supposed to be moving at about 12-15 mph by now. The slow forward motion combined with the shear, cooler water, and dry air kept Sandra weaker and far enough offshore to get killed before reaching land. It's still a low however, and there will be some hefty rains on the Mexican coast. It think that's going to be the end for the low, so at least it doesn't look like a big flood threat for Texas.

Beautiful weather here again with partly cloudy skies and a temperature of 80. The record high for today is 80, so we'll have to see if my unofficial temperature is reached at Dothan, the closest official station. It was pretty weird having Thanksgiving mostly out on the deck, then having to come inside because the sun was too hot. We've had this nice weather for the last four days now after two days of below normal temperatures, the only time in November it's been below normal during the day. The last time it rained was November 18. That was one of our two torrential events for the month, but it has given me a monthly total of 7.14". There's no rain on the horizon before Wednesday, if then, so that should be my total for November. The weather has been so nice overall that it seems like we just have to pay for it at some point. I just hope we can avoid any more ice storms.
Quoting 33. csmda:



75 here today. Crazy.
The leaves are finally changing up here. One of the better displays of fall color I've seen in south Alabama, so I guess cold air isn't needed to make it look like fall. It's pretty late this year. We usually see the leaves changing about the second week in November. As I was saying to Hydrus, I just want to avoid any ice storms, at least until most of the trees have become defoliated. An ice storm in the next couple weeks would be big trouble.
Quoting 15. daddyjames:

The El Reno area got hit particularly hard, and it seems that most of the focus is on that region
The western part of Oklahoma also had a good bit of ice and snow.

Here in Stillwater (where the big game will be played today!) it came down slow enough, and the ground is warm enough, that the roads are clear. Just grey, cold and dreary the past couple days - did scrape a little bit of ice off the car this morning though.

Hope all have had a fantastic and safe Thanksgiving weekend with family and friends!
It seems like the biggest problems are in SE Oklahoma with flooding. There are spots down there that have had over eight inches so far, and it's still coming down. The freezing rain should start to taper off this afternoon, just in time for the big game! We have the Iron Bowl today. I don't know what kind of weather it would take to cancel that. Maybe a hurricane, with a tornado bearing down on the stadium, and an ice storm. :-)
Today, Google's search page has this:

Climate change affects the things you love. #OursToLose

below the search box with a link to the below video. It's about climate change/COP21 and features young adults in NYC. The video was posted on November 23, and as I write this comment, it has over 2.3 million views and about 40K ratings with about a 4:1 ratio of likes to dislikes.

There are some good, thoughtful comments posted on the YouTube video page, but the denialisti are out in force displaying their ignorance and psychological issues. Most of the denialist blathering appears to be coming from the U.S.

Overall, I see Google's featuring of this video as a good sign - it is an indicator of growing concern among the younger generation - and they are the ones who need to take action, become active and involved, and vote for leaders who will step up to the challenge of dealing with AGW/CC.

I am seeing a similar change here among the participants at Dr. Masters' blog over the past year or so, with many more regulars finally accepting the reality and seriousness of AGW/CC is real. OTOH, the shrinking cadre of hardcore denialists here - and promoters of problematic and/or bogus geoengineering schemes - are becoming more and more marginalized.


View on YouTube
Quoting 8. Sfloridacat5:



Luckily it's "only" 32 degreees in Oklahoma City. When I lived there and we lost power (for a couple days) it was 2 degrees. We had about 1-2" thick ice on the inside of the windows. The dog's water bowl in the kitchen was a solid block of ice. That's how cold it got in the house.
And they told us "Oklahoma has mild Winters" before we moved there.

Expected high of 52 degrees on Monday for Oklahoma City. So they just need to make it through the next day or two and they should be okay.


I have a woodstove which will keep the house from freezing if I lose power. the log kind, not the pellet kind. My brother in law has the pellet kind and realized it needed power when he lost it. Got him a small generator for christmas.. it doesn't need MUCH power.
Quoting 27. Climate175:

Yea, with it being 68 degrees outside with cloudy skies, it seems like April wanted to come for a while visit.


It's helping me. Broccoli wasn't ready thursday for thanksgiving side dish (plenty of other good stuff though was). But today with two days in the 6os since, It was pickable (6") size for a saturday family get together, along with another large bag of spinach for salads and for my sister to take home to RIC.
Quoting 41. georgevandenberghe:



It's helping me. Broccoli wasn't ready thursday for thanksgiving side dish (plenty of other good stuff though was). But today with two days in the 6os since, It was pickable (6") size for a saturday family get together, along with another large bag of spinach for salads and for my sister to take home to RIC.


I always wish I was George's neighbor ...me making a pie or cake for his family ...his family sending over some freshly grown produce ...
Who have photo of Sandra during it's peak intensity?
OK outages now up to 78,222.
Convection fireing on ex Sandra :

Quoting 43. pablosyn:

Who have photo of Sandra during it's peak intensity?


Take your pick;

vis

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Quoting 40. georgevandenberghe:



I have a woodstove which will keep the house from freezing if I lose power. the log kind, not the pellet kind. My brother in law has the pellet kind and realized it needed power when he lost it. Got him a small generator for christmas.. it doesn't need MUCH power.
We have one of the log kind stoves here in PA. They're the best! Heats the entire house super well and it's easier to control the amount of heat coming out of that thing than it seems. Such a great solution for winter-time outages.
How peculiar
How peculiar B
Rising temperatures mean insects can carry viruses such as West Nile to wider areas

“Biology is notoriously nonlinear and full of thresholds beyond which all hell breaks loose, at least for a while,” said Daniel R. Brooks, an evolutionary biologist and senior research fellow at the University of Nebraska’s Manter Laboratory of Parasitology. “Think of a heart attack as an analogy. You can feel pretty good right up the point that you die.”

Link
Finally feels like fall/winter here in Houston. 53F, overcast and drizzly, perfection.
Puts me in a holiday spirit, I've put up more decorations today then I normally put up for the holidays, all due to the weather. Normally I dont get the holiday spirit until much closer to Christmas as that is when weather like today usually happens.
URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE TWIN CITIES/CHANHASSEN MN
329 PM CST SAT NOV 28 2015

...SIGNIFICANT SNOW EVENT POSSIBLE MONDAY THROUGH TUESDAY...

.A POTENT STORM SYSTEM WILL MOVE NORTHEAST FROM THE MID
MISSISSIPPI RIVER VALLEY INTO THE GREAT LAKES MONDAY MORNING
THROUGH TUESDAY EVENING. SIGNIFICANT SNOW ACCUMULATIONS ARE
POSSIBLE OVER MUCH OF CENTRAL AND SOUTHERN MINNESOTA STARTING
LATE MONDAY MORNING OVER SOUTHWESTERN MINNESOTA...SPREADING
EASTWARD AND CONTINUING THROUGH TUESDAY AFTERNOON. TOTAL SNOW
ACCUMULATIONS MAY RANGE FROM 7 TO 10 INCHES...RESULTING IN
DIFFICULT TRAVEL CONDITIONS.
Quoting 49. sidewind69:

How peculiar B
What exactly is peculiar?

Quoting 52. TwinCitiesBadger:

URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE TWIN CITIES/CHANHASSEN MN
329 PM CST SAT NOV 28 2015

...SIGNIFICANT SNOW EVENT POSSIBLE MONDAY THROUGH TUESDAY...

.A POTENT STORM SYSTEM WILL MOVE NORTHEAST FROM THE MID
MISSISSIPPI RIVER VALLEY INTO THE GREAT LAKES MONDAY MORNING
THROUGH TUESDAY EVENING. SIGNIFICANT SNOW ACCUMULATIONS ARE
POSSIBLE OVER MUCH OF CENTRAL AND SOUTHERN MINNESOTA STARTING
LATE MONDAY MORNING OVER SOUTHWESTERN MINNESOTA...SPREADING
EASTWARD AND CONTINUING THROUGH TUESDAY AFTERNOON. TOTAL SNOW
ACCUMULATIONS MAY RANGE FROM 7 TO 10 INCHES...RESULTING IN
DIFFICULT TRAVEL CONDITIONS.

A big snowstorm hit Iowa, southern Wisconsin and northern Illinois last week, but this is the first to target southern Minnesota this year. El Nino winters are usually mild and snowy here. Even with a typically mild El Nino November, this is quite late for our first significant snow.  
Quoting 10. hydrus:

Half an inch is hazardous, an inch will cause damage...trees and powerlines usually the first to go

Yep, except ...................

Most of the trees are still carrying all their leaves in this region. A much heavier load on them with far less ice.

One more tid bit about ice storms. If your driving during the change over , watch the rooster tails of water coming off the tires of the vehicles around you. When they disappear. Pull over .
Not a "Pun" but everybody seems to be getting off the "hook," this year?
I am a bit concerned about the possibilities that this year may be the last for a long, long time when we have the free range to lie back (click) here and postulate what might have happened? If ??

The dodging the bullet is a part of the Russian roulette, but the dreams may win in the long run!
I think that the massive global systems are just revving up to the starting grid on what my be going to happen in the next few seasons?
After all, what have we! got to loose?
This big threat/// big "just missed," is for this year; I don't want to interfere with the 2016 season but its looking like next season will bring a few reminders, that the "Big Weather," is in charge!
PS, I am referring to the demise of Sandra, in case anybody might have had the inclination to report me for being off topic? ( you just have to cover every eventuality, just in case negative postal awareness, ( NPA) gets the upper hand!)

Meanwhile back at the awareness pad! Its nearly December and time to look forward to the next season of extravigandous? ( I'm sure somebody will know how to spell it?)
The Central Valley is sinking: drought forces farmers to ponder the abyss

As people dig ever deeper to find water, nearly 1,200 square miles of California is sinking 2 inches a month – destroying roads, bridges and farmland in the process

The Guardian

Geologically speaking this speed is just nuts.
In some parts of the valley, however, the land is sinking at a rate of 2in (5cm) a month. About 1,200 square miles, roughly bounded by interstate 5 and state route 99, is collapsing into what scientists describe as a “cone of depression”.

Now there's a phrase for our times. Because even if snow pack is 200 % this year the pumping is a man made event, and it will continue.
Nine dead as ICE STORMS batter Texas, Oklahoma and Kansas and cause travel chaos for millions heading home after the Thanksgiving weekend
Forecasters said a band of storms will leave Texas but will likely dump more freezing rain on parts of Oklahoma and Kansas
The National Weather Service says the storms causing icy conditions in Oklahoma and Kansas are expected to last through Saturday night
Temperatures are expected to be above-freezing in the region on Sunday
Thousands of people are without power as accumulated ice downed power lines
The storm will make conditions difficult for millions of people heading home on Sunday after the long Thanksgiving weekend


Link







Quoting 58. ColoradoBob1:

In some parts of the valley, however, the land is sinking at a rate of 2in (5cm) a month. About 1,200 square miles, roughly bounded by interstate 5 and state route 99, is collapsing into what scientists describe as a “cone of depression”.

Now there's a phrase for our times. Because even if snow pack is 200 % this year the pumping is a man made event, and it will continue.

Bob, There's no rumour in the TRUTH.
They cant just mess about with the physical surface of the planet and expect to continue to have ice creams and burgers on tap, while the bank balances continue to increase?
Meanwhile back at " Reality Station," the water seekers have found nothing and the empty quarter of Saudi Arabia is looking like a water park for the future of the fun loving splashes compared to what is coming to pass right on the doorsteps nearby soon!
Don't you just love the term, "£ cone of depression?" A sort of get out in case things might just turn out right after all?
Man! I want to resign? Can I resign? its so easy for me to o! After all they told me I was a pensioner!
After all its only! 2 inches a month! Then again, that's 140 inches or over 12 foot in my lifespan?
Oh well, I'm probably nearly dead anyway?
Good evening

It's been crazy here on the island the last few hours. We have rip tide warnings, heavy rain warnings....everything but wind and snow!

"* Flash Flood Warning for...
Saint Thomas in Virgin Islands...

* until 915 PM AST

* at 616 PM AST... emergency management reported flash flooding across
the warned area. Up to three inches of rain have already fallen.
Flash flooding is already occurring. Excessive rainfall over the
warned area will cause mud slides near steep terrain. The mud slide
can consist of rock... mud... vegetation and other loose materials.

* Some locations that will experience flooding include...
Charlotte Amalie west... Charlotte Amalie... anna's retreat and
Charlotte Amalie east.

Precautionary/preparedness actions...

Move to higher ground now. Act quickly to protect your life."

Roads are flooded, with rocks and trees blocking a lot of roads. I just got home, after an hour and a half of trying. The "main" road through my area of the island had water up over the sidewalks and the fast flow prevented me from even attempting to walk home (equivalent of about a city block).

Lindy
Quoting 57. ColoradoBob1:

The Central Valley is sinking: drought forces farmers to ponder the abyss

As people dig ever deeper to find water, nearly 1,200 square miles of California is sinking 2 inches a month – destroying roads, bridges and farmland in the process

The Guardian

Geologically speaking this speed is just nuts.

If it gets any worse, we are going to have to hibernate to be able to cope with the shock on re-awakening.
" Just price water appropriately, NOT on linear scale, all that does is allow the wealthy to waste and penalises the less well off inequitably. The first couple megalitres, quite cheap (drinking and showering etc) then double the price for the next megalitre, then double it again for the one after that and keep doubling it for every megalitre. The 'Wet Prince of Bel Air' will soon stop even his use, the bill will be astronomical, as it should be."

We should adopt the same philosophy on CO2 emissions.

samiamnotaus in the comments of this article -

The Central Valley is sinking: drought forces farmers to ponder the abyss
Quoting 61. VirginIslandsVisitor:

Good evening

It's been crazy here on the island the last few hours. We have rip tide warnings, heavy rain warnings....everything but wind and snow!

"* Flash Flood Warning for...
Saint Thomas in Virgin Islands...

* until 915 PM AST

* at 616 PM AST... emergency management reported flash flooding across
the warned area. Up to three inches of rain have already fallen.
Flash flooding is already occurring. Excessive rainfall over the
warned area will cause mud slides near steep terrain. The mud slide
can consist of rock... mud... vegetation and other loose materials.

* Some locations that will experience flooding include...
Charlotte Amalie west... Charlotte Amalie... anna's retreat and
Charlotte Amalie east.

Precautionary/preparedness actions...

Move to higher ground now. Act quickly to protect your life."

Roads are flooded, with rocks and trees blocking a lot of roads. I just got home, after an hour and a half of trying. The "main" road through my area of the island had water up over the sidewalks and the fast flow prevented me from even attempting to walk home (equivalent of about a city block).

Lindy



62. PlazaRed -

You seem to be in a dark place tonight. I can't tell you to "buck-up, or cheer-up". For my views are very close to your's, but I can tell you, this is the most important time in human history, and I for one want to see happens next.

And now some Tom Jones -

Tom Jones ~ Help Yourself (HQ)

Cue the irony.
The Global Economy Is A Ponzi Scheme: Black Friday, The Pope And The Paris Climate Talks

by Joe Romm

Black Friday has become an orgiastic celebration of unbridled consumerism.

Last year, the Pope warned world leaders that “unbridled consumerism” was assaulting the natural environment “and this will have serious consequences for the world economy.” In his powerful June climate encyclical, the Pope went further, writing of “extreme consumerism” and “compulsive consumerism” and “an unethical consumerism bereft of social or ecological awareness.”

The “pace of consumption,” the Pope asserts, “can only precipitate catastrophes.” Francis offered this blunt warning:

“Obsession with a consumerist lifestyle, above all when few people are capable of maintaining it, can only lead to violence and mutual destruction.”


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Quoting 65. ColoradoBob1:

62. PlazaRed -

You seem to be in a dark place tonight. I can't tell you to "buck-up, or cheer-up". For my views are very close to your's, but I can tell you, this is the most important time in human history, and I for one want to see happens next.

And now some Tom Jones -

Tom Jones ~ Help Yourself (HQ)

Cue the irony.


No problem with dark places Bob, bearing in mind that its i am here and the night is very dark! I'm from the left overs of the European industrial revelation. so dark and cold regions are natural, even though they are mostly history now.

Its all a bit dingy with these late fall weather systems which we are not used too. Making the futures for plotting all the more murky
Personally here in southern Spain things are fine and the current global weather situation is passing us by. All the more reason for being very suspicious!
If things start to go wrong here then things must be very bad elsewhere?
So should I be upset that I didn't pull that line of clothes off earlier when they were dry? Nope. I'm able to leave my front door open and the clothes are stopping the rain from coming in. Heavy rain again, with thunder and lightening. Add a 3.9 earthquake I just felt and I think this evening is off to a good start!! ;-)
Nice photograph showing the Tropical Storm Tuni, that starting to becomes a sheared storm:

Quoting 69. pablosyn:

Nice photograph showing the Tropical Storm Tuni, that starting to becomes a sheared storm:




I am always struck by these images that show just how thin the shell of gases are. How they shelter us from a cold, dead, dry, space, and warm, living, wet, world.

What perfect place to dump our waste .
Quoting 25. washingtonian115:

Apparently this November didn't get the memo and it looks like neither will December that this is fall not second Spring.




we are in one of the most strongest EL Nino ever right now and this year is going too be march warmer on the E coast good news for some that dont like a lot of snow that got a lot last winter so dont be looking for any thing like you had last winter so having a 2nd spring is a big pluse over last winter for some so in joy it has it well be the main game this year for the E coast dont be looking for super sizes snow storms or super cold air this year not going too happen has your all ready finding out not every fall and winter is going too be the same or be like the last winter this fall and winter will be march wamer with less snow and cold and more spring like weather
The Industrial Revolution certainly made consumerism on steroids possible, but it also gave rise to telecommunications, which eventually gave rise to the Internet and the mobile devices that link to it. This has allowed people from around the world to talk to one another directly, without intermediaries. Some people use this technology to burrow even deeper into their rabbit holes, while others use this opportunity to compare their experiences with others and drown out the lullaby of lies in which they were raised. This is the promise and the danger of the future. Technology has given us the opportunity to share our life experiences directly with one another and this is the existential threat to prejudice, and therefore it is seen as an existential threat by those who feel they need prejudice to live.
Quoting 71. Tazmanian:





we are in one of the most strongest EL Nino ever right now and this year is going too be march warmer on the E coast good news for some that dont like a lot of snow that got that some got last winter so dont be looking for any thing like you had last winter so having a 2nd spring is a big pluse over last winter for some so in joy it has it well be the main game this year for the E coast dont be looking for super sizes snow storms or super cold air this year not going too happen has your all ready finding out not every fall and winter is going too be the same or be like the last winter this fall and winter will be march wamer with less snow and cold and more spring like weather


We could still see some blockbuster snowstorms. The winter of 09-10 featured Snowmageddon, and a couple other potent blizzards in February of that year.

I would think CA would be more concerned of the warmer atmosphere. Warm temperatures on the slopes of your mountains would mean less snow than you should get, which is bad.
Quoting 57. ColoradoBob1:

The Central Valley is sinking: drought forces farmers to ponder the abyss

As people dig ever deeper to find water, nearly 1,200 square miles of California is sinking 2 inches a month – destroying roads, bridges and farmland in the process

The Guardian

Geologically speaking this speed is just nuts.
Thats depressing.
Evening all. I see we are into the winter slow down .... glad to see Sandra just made a record, not a landfall....

As we ready ourselves for the new, December Atlantic Hurricane season, this is a good time to check our emergency kits, and rehearse our drills with our loved ones. We are expecting 2 storms, one a major. I offer no evidence or models. But I'm asking that you take it on faith that this will occur.
Quoting 72. ACSeattle:

The Industrial Revolution certainly made consumerism on steroids possible, but it also gave rise to telecommunications, which eventually gave rise to the Internet and the mobile devices that link to it. This has allowed people from around the world to talk to one another directly, without intermediaries. Some people use this technology to burrow even deeper into their rabbit holes, while others use this opportunity to compare their experiences with others and drown out the lullaby of lies in which they were raised. This is the promise and the danger of the future. Technology has given us the opportunity to share our life experiences directly with one another and this is the existential threat to prejudice, and therefore it is seen as an existential threat by those who feel they need prejudice to live.


Well said, truly in our lives we have slipped the bonds of Earth. Whether we have slipped the murderous impulse of the past is a matter all together.
Quoting 74. Kenfa03:

Thats depressing.


Welcome to the party.
Quoting 43. pablosyn:

Who have photo of Sandra during it's peak intensity?

Quoting 73. Astrometeor:



We could still see some blockbuster snowstorms. The winter of 09-10 featured Snowmageddon, and a couple other potent blizzards in February of that year.

I would think CA would be more concerned of the warmer atmosphere. Warm temperatures on the slopes of your mountains would mean less snow than you should get, which is bad.
Liking this conversation.
Quoting 73. Astrometeor:



We could still see some blockbuster snowstorms. The winter of 09-10 featured Snowmageddon, and a couple other potent blizzards in February of that year.

I would think CA would be more concerned of the warmer atmosphere. Warm temperatures on the slopes of your mountains would mean less snow than you should get, which is bad.


we are off too a good start so far
Quoting 73. Astrometeor:



We could still see some blockbuster snowstorms. The winter of 09-10 featured Snowmageddon, and a couple other potent blizzards in February of that year.

I would think CA would be more concerned of the warmer atmosphere. Warm temperatures on the slopes of your mountains would mean less snow than you should get, which is bad.


Yeah good luck with that as this isn't no 2009/2010 Winter especially with the strongest El-Nino ever ongoing. Webberweather needs to take notes and lay off the ONI index's.
Michael Ventrice ‏@MJVentrice 13h13 hours ago

Michael Ventrice Retweeted Jonathan Erdman

The December canonical strong El Nino torch pattern settling in nicely
Godzilla still gaining steam.

Quoting 84. StormTrackerScott:

Michael Ventrice ‏@MJVentrice 13h13 hours ago

Michael Ventrice Retweeted Jonathan Erdman

The December canonical strong El Nino torch pattern settling in nicely




am still waiting for them strong EL Nino rains that would flood CA all so still waiting for are 1st 5 too 10" of rain storm
Quoting 85. StormTrackerScott:

Godzilla still gaining steam.





looks like this EL Nino is going too 3.2 too 3.5 with this monday update from the CPC
Quoting 71. Tazmanian:





we are in one of the most strongest EL Nino ever right now and this year is going too be march warmer on the E coast good news for some that dont like a lot of snow that got a lot last winter so dont be looking for any thing like you had last winter so having a 2nd spring is a big pluse over last winter for some so in joy it has it well be the main game this year for the E coast dont be looking for super sizes snow storms or super cold air this year not going too happen has your all ready finding out not every fall and winter is going too be the same or be like the last winter this fall and winter will be march wamer with less snow and cold and more spring like weather


Snow in California

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Quoting 85. StormTrackerScott:

Godzilla still gaining steam.




The Hiatus comes back to bite us,

Buckle your chin strap.
Quoting 88. chasSoCal:



Snow in California

Link


yep but i want flooding rains and high snow levels where are they
with this EL Nino be so strong i want a 950mb DOOM day storm off the OR coast with 10 too 20" of rain for the valley and foot hills and mts and vary strong winds this EL nino is off the charts
Quoting 92. Tazmanian:

with this EL Nino be so strong i want a 950mb DOOM day storm off the OR coast with 10 too 20" of rain for the valley and foot hills and mts and vary strong winds this EL nino is off the charts



Don't forget us down here in Soo Cal!
Quoting 93. HurricaneHunterJoe:




Don't forget us down here in Soo Cal!


ok you can have a trace of rain from that and i am being nic
One more thing. .................................................
"Secure your seat back treys in the fully up right, and locked position. Make sure you are ware of the flotation devices under your seat."

You're gonna need it.
Quoting 96. 882MB:


Not a drop for me.
Quoting 85. StormTrackerScott:

Godzilla still gaining steam.


Quoting 88. chasSoCal:



Snow in California

Link


Let's hope for bookoo snow and no pineapple express situations where it all melts and everything downstream floods big time. 2 good storms a week with Soo Cal getting 1"+ and Nor Cal 2"+ for each storm in Jan,Feb and March with snow levels above 4,000 feet and then let it melt at a normal rate late spring/summer. In a perfect world anyway.
ok, so I guess that means no knucking a buck tonite.

word.
Quoting 98. Gearsts:




Does have a somewhat BEASTLY look to it!
Quoting 94. Tazmanian:



ok you can have a trace of rain from that and i am being nic


Ouch! A trace? That's just wrong Taz!
Quoting 93. HurricaneHunterJoe:




Don't forget us down here in Soo Cal!


I'm over 0.01 for the month.
Quoting 71. Tazmanian:





we are in one of the most strongest EL Nino ever right now and this year is going too be march warmer on the E coast good news for some that dont like a lot of snow that got a lot last winter so dont be looking for any thing like you had last winter so having a 2nd spring is a big pluse over last winter for some so in joy it has it well be the main game this year for the E coast dont be looking for super sizes snow storms or super cold air this year not going too happen has your all ready finding out not every fall and winter is going too be the same or be like the last winter this fall and winter will be march wamer with less snow and cold and more spring like weather


Taz is getting quite voluble tonight; I daresay even garrulous, and I have learned that when Taz gets excited, it's time to pay attention.

Counter-intuitively, his lack of punctuation contributes greatly to the intensity of focus required in order to fully appreciate his postulations.

Therefore, when he talks, I listen closely.

Quoting 103. chasSoCal:



I'm over 0.01 for the month.

I got .30 for the Month...
Quoting 102. HurricaneHunterJoe:



Ouch! A trace? That's just wrong Taz!



ok give you 100" of rain in 24hrs
107. 882MB
Quoting 97. Gearsts:

Not a drop for me.


Don't worry its coming. That line of Rain and embedded storms that are on the east side of the island is holding nicely, IMO. Hopefully it holds together, and you get a drop my friend. Its incredible to see how the main reservoirs on the island where almost out of water, and now there all filled up. There's still a small area of extreme drought. But its raining nicely in that area. :)



Quoting 105. PedleyCA:


I got .30 for the Month...


You've been doing better than we have, rain either goes north of us, or stays out over the ocean then comes in over LA. Someday it will rain here, I hope
Quoting 105. PedleyCA:


I got .30 for the Month...



i got 3.85" for the moth and we are well above norml for rain for NOV wish we now stan at 4.76" of rain for the season
Nice and cool finally in the Florida Keys - our first cold front was very very late, but not this cold.

From the Key West NWS discussion

.CLIMATE...
ON THIS DATE /NOV 28/ IN FLORIDA KEYS WEATHER HISTORY...IN
1903...THE DAILY RECORD COLD HIGH TEMPERATURE OF 61F AND DAILY
RECORD LOW OF 51F WERE SET. THE RECORD COLD HIGH OF 61F ALSO IS TIED
FOR THE COLDEST HIGH TEMPERATURE EVER RECORDED IN THE MONTH OF
NOVEMBER.
Quoting 104. Alagirl:



Taz is getting quite voluble tonight; I daresay even garrulous, and I have learned that when Taz gets excited, it's time to pay attention.

Counter-intuitively, his lack of punctuation contributes greatly to the intensity of focus required in order to fully appreciate his postulations.

Therefore, when he talks, I listen closely.


These predictions are from the man who said the Atlantic hurricane season would be vary dead this year as well, so use at your own risk. :-)
Quoting 112. sar2401:

No, "we" aren't expecting two hurricanes in December, you are. Have you figured out where these voices in your head are coming from?
Hush, sar- they're more interesting when they're off their meds!
Not totally bad, 1-2" for me in San Diego County! Los montanas es muey bueno!

Our 2015 El Nino, I wonder if it can evolve into a permanent El Nino?
Quoting 113. aquak9:

Hush, sar- they're more interesting when they're off their meds!


Me personally, Im much better on me meds! LOL
Quoting 112. sar2401:

No, "we" aren't expecting two hurricanes in December, you are. Have you figured out where these voices in your head are coming from?


Oh look, it's why I don't come here anymore. Not you, I'm talking about eyewall. Apparently I have him on ignore. Now I know why.

"I'm gonna pretend I'm knowledgeable when I'm actually not!"
Quoting 115. HurricaneHunterJoe:

Our 2015 El Nino, I wonder if it can evolve into a permanent El Nino?


Uh, what?
Cool and dreary today, tomorrow will be a return to seasonable (and cooler) temperatures here in S. Central PA. Ugh. TV meteorologist that gave the forecast had the same cough as me. Now I know who to blame, lol.

Quoting 117. KoritheMan:



Oh look, it's why I don't come here anymore. Not you, I'm talking about eyewall. Apparently I have him on ignore. Now I know why.

"I'm gonna pretend I'm knowledgeable when I'm actually not!"


Well, looks like you're stuck with the late shift Kori. G'night.
Quoting 119. Astrometeor:

Cool and dreary today, tomorrow will be a return to seasonable (and cooler) temperatures here in S. Central PA. Ugh. TV meteorologist that gave the forecast had the same cough as me. Now I know who to blame, lol.



Well, looks like you're stuck with the late shift Kori. G'night.


I have a terrible sore throat from continuously unsuccessful attempts to free my throat of phlegm today. I assume I got sick working Black Friday.
Hope you get better, Working sick is no fun. Still at the "W"
Quoting 121. PedleyCA:

Hope you get better, Working sick is no fun. Still at the "W"


Yeah but I'm actually making progress now. GED is Thursday, then I take the second segment (it's two parts) Saturday. Took the practice test and I think it's smooth sailing from here.

It's nobody's fault but mine the reason all that took so long.
Quoting 122. KoritheMan:



Yeah but I'm actually making progress now. GED is Thursday, then I take the second segment (it's two parts) Saturday. Took the practice test and I think it's smooth sailing from here.

It's nobody's fault but mine the reason all that took so long.


Good Luck with that. I took that GED back in 68 and passed it first time, and no practice test. Probably harder now.
Well, I am out of here, have a good night. Remember to lock up on your way out..... lol
Quoting 123. PedleyCA:



Good Luck with that. I took that GED back in 68 and passed it first time, and no practice test. Probably harder now.
Well, I am out of here, have a good night. Remember to lock up on your way out..... lol


It's just basic stuff.
Quoting 118. KoritheMan:



Uh, what?


With climate change and all..........maybe it could become permanent?
cyclone tuni looks like a slow mover
MahFL~ I'm pretty sure it's chaff. It might not look as much like chaff when it's been in this sweet spot.. AN AREA OF
CONVERGENCE AND ENHANCED RH VALUES FROM THE ATLC S/SW ONTO THE
VOLUSIA/NORTH BREVARD COASTS...WHICH SHOULD AT LEAST PRODUCE MORE
CLOUD COVER AS WELL AS ISOLATED SHOWERS. The surface layer is pretty dry too but if it was rain not reaching the ground there would be more clouds. That area has slid south slowly from your area to mine over the last day and so has the somewhat whispy radar return. Lastnight as it was hitting south of Daytona there was no rain, some places hardly cloudy (NWS obs), what was well off shore had that whispy chaff look. It's heavy here now & it is nearly cloud free outside. This also shows up the same on MLB NWS radar.

Quoting 76. eyewallblues:

As we ready ourselves for the new, December Atlantic Hurricane season, this is a good time to check our emergency kits, and rehearse our drills with our loved ones. We are expecting 2 storms, one a major. I offer no evidence or models. But I'm asking that you take it on faith that this will occur.
Quoting 112. sar2401:

No, "we" aren't expecting two hurricanes in December, you are. Have you figured out where these voices in your head are coming from?



He's probably channeling pureet1948 & camerooski......then the 3 of them can run around w/ their hair on fire LOL
Sometimes I feel that video is not too far from the truth. You lose 6 privilege points for posting on a science blog.

Another beautiful spring day in Florence, SC. High 75F.

Quoting 126. BaltimoreBrian:

Koritheman goes to his first college math class.
model? almost seems as another dominant low develops to the east of cyclone tuni develops and heads se towards easter island
Looks like the current Paris talks are well on their way to their usual epic fail. As was stated in the NY Times article.

"They have pointedly declined to take up a recommendation from scientists, made several years ago, that they set a cap on total greenhouse gases as a way to achieve that goal, and then figure out how to allocate the emissions fairly. The pledges countries are making are voluntary, and were established in most nations as a compromise between the desire to be ambitious and the perceived cost and political difficulty of emissions cutbacks.

"In effect, the countries are vowing to make changes that collectively still fall far short of the necessary goal, much like a patient who, upon hearing from his doctor that he must lose 50 pounds to avoid life-threatening health risks, takes pride in cutting out fries but not cake and ice cream."

They can keep kicking the can down the road but the road will end at some point. If the rich countries could figure out a way to help the poor ones with providing energy needs without burning fossil fuels, that would at least be a start but nope, want to keep doing what we're doing until there is nothing left to do but suffer the consequences.
just a moment ago. light mist afterwards a beautiful rainbow e cen florida
Quoting 132. VAstorms:

Looks like the current Paris talks are well on their way to their usual epic fail. As was stated in the NY Times article.

"They have pointedly declined to take up a recommendation from scientists, made several years ago, that they set a cap on total greenhouse gases as a way to achieve that goal, and then figure out how to allocate the emissions fairly. The pledges countries are making are voluntary, and were established in most nations as a compromise between the desire to be ambitious and the perceived cost and political difficulty of emissions cutbacks.

"In effect, the countries are vowing to make changes that collectively still fall far short of the necessary goal, much like a patient who, upon hearing from his doctor that he must lose 50 pounds to avoid life-threatening health risks, takes pride in cutting out fries but not cake and ice cream."

They can keep kicking the can down the road but the road will end at some point. If the rich countries could figure out a way to help the poor ones with providing energy needs without burning fossil fuels, that would at least be a start but nope, want to keep doing what we're doing until there is nothing left to do but suffer the consequences.

Here is an option.....DON'T WAIT for "them"
Take the necessary steps you can on your own to make yourself and your personal property as energy efficient as possible. Bite the bullet and get solar panels. Even if it seems expensive at the time. We know the costs are going to come to change our ways but if we are not willing to pay then nothing will change. Lead by example. Take charge!
You know how fast a store can go out of business when they don't have customers well the same is true with our energy suppliers.
We have ALL been part of the problem....start becoming part of the answer. NOW!

We are a monkey see monkey do nation. Here is an example.... I added on a golf cart garage for a customer in one of the golf course developments. Within one year we did 6 golf cart garages in the same neighborhood.
Once one person leads the way and shows what is possible others follow. simple as that.
The same can happen with solar panels which at this point is our best candidate.


Quoting 104. Alagirl:



Taz is getting quite voluble tonight; I daresay even garrulous, and I have learned that when Taz gets excited, it's time to pay attention.

Counter-intuitively, his lack of punctuation contributes greatly to the intensity of focus required in order to fully appreciate his postulations.

Therefore, when he talks, I listen closely.


Yep..One of his well known attributes..:)
136. beell
From yesterday.

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MELBOURNE FL
1015 PM EST SAT NOV 28 2015

...OF NOTE: MOST OF THE ECHOS ON THE KMLB 88D RADAR N OF THE BEACHLINE EXPRESSWAY FOR THE PAST SVRL HRS ARE DUE TO CHAFF AND ARE NOT PRECIPITATION RETURNS...
Fiji Meteorological Services
Tropical Disturbance Advisory #10
Gale Warning
TROPICAL CYCLONE TUNI, CATEGORY ONE (03F)
0:00 AM FST November 30 2015
==========================
Gale Warning In Force For Niue

At 12:00 PM UTC, Tropical Cyclone Tuni, Category One (991 hPa) located at 17.8S 168.9W has 10 minute sustained winds of 40 knots. The cyclone is reported as moving southeast at 11 knots. Position poor based on GOES infrared imagery and peripheral surface reports.

Gale Force Winds
==============
60 NM from the center in northwestern quadrant
180 NM from the center in southeastern quadrant
100 NM from the center in northeastern quadrant
180 NM from the center in southwestern quadrant

Low level circulation center partially exposed with deep convection mostly over eastern semi-circle. System lies to the south of an northwest-southeast oriented upper ridge in a moderate to high sheared environment. Outflow good. System is being steered to the southeast by the sub-tropical ridge. Sea surface temperature is around 28C.

Dvorak analysis based on shear pattern with deep convection less than 0.75 degrees from low level circulation center yields DT 3.0, MET=3.0 and PT=3.0.

Dvorak Intensity: T3.0/3.0/S0.0/24 HRS

Forecast and Intensity
=============
12 HRS 18.5S 168.3W - 35 knots (CAT 1)
24 HRS 19.3S 167.6W - 35 knots (CAT 1)
48 HRS 20.4S 166.6W - 35 knots (CAT 1)
can't measure chaff in a coffee can...

just sayin'!
So hey, good morning everyone.

Second morning in a row of a presunrise low of 9F. I'm typing quickly so I don't burn the sausage on the woodstove.

All the insulation under the house was a pre-storm Monday well spent - the only freeze I had here was the pipe connecting the pump to the sediment settler. Pump kicked on the second it thawed - I used the heat lamp and the woodstove in the shop (where the pump and tank assembly lives. Right next to the breaker box. Really, who designed this setup?)

Family is home from their travels. The kids are whining a bit about how warm it was down south, and how cold it is here. Tough noogies, kiddos. Time to finish breakfast, and I hope we don't see another week of "Really, the inversion's gonna break TOMORROW, we swear! Just look at the chart!" I hate spending hours walking out the hoses.
140. beell
Quoting 138. aquak9:

can't measure chaff in a coffee can...

just sayin'!


Correct. You need a dechaffinated coffee can.
(best i could do-it's early...)
(grabs raisin pie, throws hard to the west)
Quoting 99. HurricaneHunterJoe:
Let's hope for bookoo snow
Is that the same as "beaucoup"? ;-)

adjective: beaucoup
  1. many or much."beaucoup profits are at stake"
Quoting 134. Abacosurf:


Here is an option.....DON'T WAIT for "them"
Take the necessary steps you can on your own to make yourself and your personal property as energy efficient as possible. Bite the bullet and get solar panels. Even if it seems expensive at the time. We know the costs are going to come to change our ways but if we are not willing to pay then nothing will change. Lead by example. Take charge!
You know how fast a store can go out of business when they don't have customers well the same is true with our energy suppliers.
We have ALL been part of the problem....start becoming part of the answer. NOW!

We are a monkey see monkey do nation. Here is an example.... I added on a golf cart garage for a customer in one of the golf course developments. Within one year we did 6 golf cart garages in the same neighborhood.
Once one person leads the way and shows what is possible others follow. simple as that.
The same can happen with solar panels which at this point is our best candidate.




My contribution: solar heating (space heater):img src="http://www.wunderground.com/data/wximagenew/c /ChiThom
/8-thumb250.jpg">
Unfortunately, in Illinois, solar panels take 20 years to pay for themselves. In California, my brother-in-law has put solar panels up on his roof. These will pay for themselves in 7 years. Go figure. It has to do with the laws regarding grid-tied systems and utilities paying 50% of the value generated. Here they pay zero. Nada. Rien. Nicht. Nothing.
I got tired of waiting, so I made my own space heaters. This is third generation for me. My first collectors were built in the 1970s. These are very efficient... up to 70% efficient since they are facing south-southeast.
Quoting 76. eyewallblues:

As we ready ourselves for the new, December Atlantic Hurricane season, this is a good time to check our emergency kits, and rehearse our drills with our loved ones. We are expecting 2 storms, one a major. I offer no evidence or models. But I'm asking that you take it on faith that this will occur.


Sure, right after you take it on faith that your supposed to send me all your money. :P
The picture doesn't seem to be working...
Good Sunday everyone!

Stormy day in parts of Europe: a strong windstorm has developed and has just crossed the British Isles where it was named as "Clodagh". In the next hours the storm - in Germany dubbed as "Nils" - with currently 977mb will hit the Netherlands, northern Germany with its coasts and Denmark.


Source for updates.


Saved current IR loop. Source for updates.


Winds at 925hPa in Germany in a couple of hours. Source.

Storm Clodagh: Thousands without power in Republic of Ireland
BBC News, 1 hour ago

Storm Forecast from Estofex: Valid: Sun 29 Nov 2015 06:00 to Mon 30 Nov 2015 06:00 UTC
Issued: Sun 29 Nov 2015 00:20, Forecaster: TASZAREK

A level 2 was issued for central UK, North Sea, N Netherlands, S Denmark, N Germany and NW Poland mainly for the damaging wind gusts.
A level 1 was issued for British Isles, Netherlands, Denmark, N Germany and parts of Poland mainly for the severe wind gusts.

SYNOPSIS: A large pressure depression down to 975-970 hPa covers Norwegian Sea, Iceland and northern North Sea. It is encircled by the cyclonically curved powerful jet stream with 300 hPa winds up to 75 m/s. A shortwave with a strong horizontal pressure gradient and an active cold front is forecast by NWP models to pass during the forecast period from central UK trough North Sea, Netherlands, N Germany, S Denmark up to NW Poland where it dissipates. Most of the SE and S Europe is covered with the Azores high that inhibits any convective activity. On the SE edge of the domain where the SLP drops and an unstable air mass occurs, isolated and scattered thunderstorms are possible. Except SE part of the Black Sea, E Europe remains under the cold and stable air mass.

More details see link above.
Quoting 120. KoritheMan:



I have a terrible sore throat from continuously unsuccessful attempts to free my throat of phlegm today. I assume I got sick working Black Friday.
Too many eager yet sickly shoppers breathing all over you on Friday. .... :o/

Quoting 105. PedleyCA:


I got .30 for the Month...
I'm a refugee who fled from Sebastopol in Sonoma County to live in the mountain rain-forest town of Boquete, Panama.  We've received 24" of rain this November - 5 inches in one day last week.   Then we quickly transitioned into the beginning of our 4-5 month dry and windy season.  At 96" for the year, though, we're at about 50% of average - almost a drought! 

They call Boquete the land of eternal spring and rainbows, but the sunsets aren't bad either.  My WU avatar is the second picture - a sunset taken over the shoulder of the Volcan Baru just to the left of the view of Baru in the first photo below.)




Test:
Quoting 126. BaltimoreBrian:

Koritheman goes to his first college math class.
I plussed before I watched .... can I plus again afterwards .... please???

LOL

Very good, Brian .... well done!
Quoting 133. islander101010:

just a moment ago. light mist afterwards a beautiful rainbow e cen florida


Yeah that's misty rain moving west off the Atlantic. Nothing heavy just enough to wet the street. Get ready though a very active pattern is coming up for FL in a few days. Very active with many days of rainy/stormy weather beginning to set up shop across FL.

Quoting 132. VAstorms:
They can keep kicking the can down the road but the road will end at some point."


Sad but true statement about the likelihood of an effective international AGW/CC mitigation agreement....
Quoting 136. beell:

From yesterday.

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MELBOURNE FL
1015 PM EST SAT NOV 28 2015

...OF NOTE: MOST OF THE ECHOS ON THE KMLB 88D RADAR N OF THE BEACHLINE EXPRESSWAY FOR THE PAST SVRL HRS ARE DUE TO CHAFF AND ARE NOT PRECIPITATION RETURNS...


Its rain now infact drove thru some of it earlier. Very light though
156. beell
Quoting 154. StormTrackerScott:



Its rain now infact drove thru some of it earlier. Very light though


Some of the radar reflectivities over the last couple of days were most certainly precip. Been watching the area for the last couple days ever since WU member "StAugustineFL" left a comment here. Soundings, radar beam heights, visible, ad nauseum...chaff was the only thing that fit. Especially if you consider some of the long, NW-SE oriented returns well offshore-drifting towards the coast on northeasterly flow. The height of the radar returns also appeared to slowly lower with time and drift.

Some of the actual precip may have had it's origins in a density boundary over the warm, moist gulf steam stretching from FL to offshore of NC.

Maybe not...

157. beell
Goin' for 100"! One month remaining.


Link

A warmer, wetter Atmosphere rules the roost over climatology now.


Congratulations Earth Dwellers.


Quoting 157. beell:

Goin' for 100"! One month remaining.


Link



Unless southeast Texas sees another long dry period which is unlikely for the next month with the weather pattern potentially shaping up, Baytown has made the triple digit milestone.

Comprehensive map by wetteronline of our current windstorm Nils. Most severe gusts will develop when the cold front moves in.
Yesterday afternoon when weather was still fair (and quite cold) I took some pics of our Christmas Market in Mainz (near Frankfurt); folks were out full force, drinking hot spiced wine :-) Here is one of the pics (more on my blog if you like):


BBL, nice afternoon everybody!
Interesting COP21 article

Link
162. beell
Quoting 159. Tornado6042008X:


Unless southeast Texas sees another long dry period which is unlikely for the next month with the weather pattern potentially shaping up, Baytown has made the triple digit milestone.


TS Bill probably added about 12" of rain in June. Minus that out and Baytown is still in record-setting territory.
Quoting 156. beell:



Some of the radar reflectivities over the last couple of days were most certainly precip. Been watching the area for the last couple days ever since WU member "StAugustineFL" left a comment here. Soundings, radar beam heights, visible, ad nauseum...chaff was the only thing that fit. Especially if you consider some of the long, NW-SE oriented returns well offshore-drifting towards the coast on northeasterly flow. The height of the radar returns also appeared to slowly lower with time and drift.

Some of the actual precip may have had it's origins in a density boundary over the warm, moist gulf steam stretching from FL to offshore of NC.

Maybe not...




I have that guy on my ignore list.

No peculiararities here today with or without chaffed or dechaffinated coffee cans, rain gauges, or other substitute(s).
Quoting 152. StormTrackerScott:



Yeah that's misty rain moving west off the Atlantic. Nothing heavy just enough to wet the street. Get ready though a very active pattern is coming up for FL in a few days. Very active with many days of rainy/stormy weather beginning to set up shop across FL.
Good morning Scott...I believe Florida will get severe weather this winter.
Quoting 161. Birkenstocks:
Interesting COP21 article

Link [to a collection of b.s. from a notorious AGW/CC denier who writes for the UK Sunday Telegraph]
Just curious, but what makes yet another rampant display of ignorance from journalist Christopher Booker - which is backed up only with lies and misleading information from someone with no science background - seem interesting to you?
77F feels like 79F

That jus aint right for Nov 29th, of any year here.


Quoting 161. Birkenstocks:

Interesting COP21 article

Link


Why do people believe THAT science but they don't believe mainstream science?
Quoting 165. Xulonn:

Just curious, but what makes a rampant display of ignorance backed up with lies and misleading information from a world-class AGW/CC denier who has no science background seem interesting to you?


It reinforces their delusional thinking is my best guess.

However that means squat as to reality.



Quoting 166. Patrap:

77F feels like 79F

That jus aint right for Nov 29th, of any year here.



That is one powerful subtropical jet..It does remind me of 82/83 Nino pattern..Soon the low pressure areas will move across Florida, then become Nor,easters over or near New England..jmo
Moderately strong windy and wet storm forecast for the SF Bay Area by Thursday as the rainy season escalates.

Quoting 159. Tornado6042008X:


Unless southeast Texas sees another long dry period which is unlikely for the next month with the weather pattern potentially shaping up, Baytown has made the triple digit milestone.


Thanks for stating your location. The map was really a nice touch too.

So many times people on this blog will post local weather observations and not give a location which makes the information not as interesting as when they give a location.
Quoting 165. Xulonn:

Just curious, but what makes yet another rampant display of ignorance from journalist Christopher Booker - which is backed up only with lies and misleading information from someone with no science background - seem interesting to you?
Never seen so many advertisements on one page. I am sorry I took the time to read it...

Snow cover on land is near complete above 45 degress north, except in Europe. That may change with the progress of the passage of the cold front associated with the ongoing storm there. Over the years, I've noticed a coincidence/correspondence of snow cover over Europe with storminess reaching the California coast, perhaps a result of the associated global jet pattern.
Look at the massive convection. There be changes coming..strange weather...:)


Upwelling along the north coast of Peru is now producing only a sliver of cooler SSTs and warmer tropical waters steadily encroach as the traditional date of El Nino onset there approaches.
Quoting 144. ChiThom:


My contribution: solar heating (space heater):img src="http://www.wunderground.com/data/wximagenew/c /ChiThom
/8-thumb250.jpg">
Unfortunately, in Illinois, solar panels take 20 years to pay for themselves. In California, my brother-in-law has put solar panels up on his roof. These will pay for themselves in 7 years. Go figure. It has to do with the laws regarding grid-tied systems and utilities paying 50% of the value generated. Here they pay zero. Nada. Rien. Nicht. Nothing.
I got tired of waiting, so I made my own space heaters. This is third generation for me. My first collectors were built in the 1970s. These are very efficient... up to 70% efficient since they are facing south-southeast.

Thanks for sharing Chi!
I recently met with some other builders in Naples discussing what it would be like if we were mandated to install at least 25%to 50% of a new homes electricity production in the form of alternative energy and how it could be implemented.
What we need is one of our new developments to wrap their heads around becoming a self sustaining community and promoting it to lead the way. Heck we actually have a car lover community being developed...how about an earth loving community to follow. It would sell!
Or we can just throw our hands in the air and say earth dwellers are screwed... I suggest the former and discussing solutions.
177. beell
Quoting 166. Patrap:

77F feels like 79F

That jus aint right for Nov 29th, of any year here.





No small thanks to the Rex Block and its convoluted flow-nothing to pull the front through. Should begin to modify early this week.

hey StAug! I put myself and all the Mods on ignore.

That way if I get banned, I can't see it.
Quoting 178. aquak9:

hey StAug! I put myself and all the Mods on ignore.

That way if I get banned, I can't see it.

LMAO!
Quoting 113. aquak9:

Hush, sar- they're more interesting when they're off their meds!
You know, waterdog, the moderation here is a complete mystery to me. My post #112 was removed while the the post I responded to, #76, is apparently okay. You are allowed to post completely nutty stuff here, but you're not allowed to question the nuttiness of it. I'm surprised your post survived.
Anyone interested in forming a lil informal wu bloggers committee to get with wu mgt/TWC/IBM to host a wunderground Climate Change conference?


We need a shake up from the community after 3 years of buyout's,changes and other.

Quoting 176. Abacosurf:


Thanks for sharing Chi!
I recently met with some other builders in Naples discussing what it would be like if we were mandated to install at least 25%to 50% of a new homes electricity production in the form of alternative energy and how it could be implemented.
What we need is one of our new developments to wrap their heads around becoming a self sustaining community and promoting it to lead the way. Heck we actually have a car lover community being developed...how about an earth loving community to follow. It would sell!
Or we can just throw our hands in the air and say earth dwellers are screwed... I suggest the former and discussing solutions.

Here's a suggestion I've been making for a long time to the construction industry. Start installing only 12 volt wiring and fixtures for lighting. LED lighting will serve the needs of almost any household, and they can run natively on 12 volts or less. It doesn't make a lot of sense to continue to make people pay a lot of money for LED lights when the major cost is all the resistors required to reduce the voltage to 12 volts or less. 12 volt wiring is cheap compared to 120 volts, LED lights produce almost no heat, and the consumption of electrical power for lighting would plunge. All that would have to be added to a home is a converter to lower 120 volts to 12 to supply the wiring and fixtures. So far, the response has been a collective yawn. :-)
sar- read #178. That's how I slide-slide-slippery-slide around here.

(time to take yourself on a 'nuther kinda trip
cause you can't have the hop if you don't have the hip)
Anyone interested in forming a lil informal wu bloggers committee to get with wu mgt/TWC/IBM to host a wunderground Climate Change conference?

Are you kidding? We still got bloggers using coffee cans as rain gauges!!!

(runs away)
Quoting 183. sar2401:

Here's a suggestion I've been making for a long time to the construction industry. Start installing only 12 volt wiring and fixtures for lighting. LED lighting will serve the needs of almost any household, and they can run natively on 12 volts or less. It doesn't make a lot of sense to continue to make people pay a lot of money for LED lights when the major cost is all the resistors required to reduce the voltage to 12 volts or less. 12 volt wiring is cheap compared to 120 volts, LED lights produce almost no heat, and the consumption of electrical power for lighting would plunge. All that would have to be added to a home is a converter to lower 120 volts to 12 to supply the wiring and fixtures. So far, the response has been a collective yawn. :-)

SAR, the trouble with 12 volts is that it can't work in 100 ft 12 ga. wires (voltage drop) so it works in cars (about ten ft.) but not in houses unless they use wires the thickness of my thumb. Too expensive. Doorbells are frequently boosted to 14 volts so that they still have twelve volts at the bell.
Quoting 179. hydrus:



Now I can see why they're referring to the western ridge as a rex block. The orientation is northwest to southeast with the cutoff low over the Great Basin providing the definitive feature distinguishing the block from an omega.
188. beell
Quoting 185. aquak9:

Anyone interested in forming a lil informal wu bloggers committee to get with wu mgt/TWC/IBM to host a wunderground Climate Change conference?

Are you kidding? We still got bloggers using coffee cans as rain gauges!!!

(runs away)


Only in the wet years, doggie. Dry years I switch to the self-tipping gauge.



can't see you beell
got you on ignore
Quoting 177. beell:



No small thanks to the Rex Block and its convoluted flow-nothing to pull the front through. Should begin to modify early this week.



This illustrates the orientation of the block I'd been seeing, along a northeast to southwest axis, which would be more like an omega block, with no low under the block to the southwest.

Which raises a question: what if any differing consequences are there between the two blocking patterns? Is one inherently more persistent than the other?
Shear is quite favorable and it will remain favorable around the upper low near eastern Cuba.
Looks like the temperatures have finally climbed above 32 degrees across central Oklahoma, after a couple days of freezing rain/freezing drizzle.
Thank you,Dr. Masters.
Quoting 186. ChiThom:


SAR, the trouble with 12 volts is that it can't work in 100 ft 12 ga. wires (voltage drop) so it works in cars (about ten ft.) but not in houses unless they use wires the thickness of my thumb. Too expensive. Doorbells are frequently boosted to 14 volts so that they still have twelve volts at the bell.
Sure it can. It's used in aircraft and ships a lot larger than a house. Since we're still using 120/240 volts for appliances, a 12 volt booster is neither expensive nor difficult to install. I just think it's one of those ideas that hasn't had a lot of concentrated thought applied to it. There are also some pretty powerful interest in the electrical industry in general who aren't thrilled with this idea for reasons beyond wiring issues.
195. beell
Quoting 190. BayFog:


This illustrates the orientation of the block I'd been seeing, along a northeast to southwest axis, which would be more like an omega block, with no low under the block to the southwest.

Which raises a question: what if any differing consequences are there between the two blocking patterns? Is one inherently more persistent than the other?


I suppose it is a matter of how you tilt your head for Rex/Omega. Persistence would have to be a factor for either type. The difference between a "block" and a "blocky" pattern.

I could provide no better food for thought than the following link from Professor Grenci.

In any case, there is some "Lee" way regarding nomenclature.
7 Day forecast for Fort Myers, Florida
Mid 80s for the first week of December
Quoting 195. beell:



I suppose it is a matter of how you tilt your head for Rex/Omega. Persistence would have to be a factor for either type. The difference between a "block" and a "blocky" pattern.

I could provide no better food for thought than the following link from Professor Grenci.

In any case, there is some "Lee" way regarding nomenclature.


That's so bad, LOL. You old people and your jokes, lol. *shakes head*
Quoting 185. aquak9:

Anyone interested in forming a lil informal wu bloggers committee to get with wu mgt/TWC/IBM to host a wunderground Climate Change conference?

Are you kidding? We still got bloggers using coffee cans as rain gauges!!!

(runs away)


With the amounts of rain some people are getting, a simple bucket works better than a guage which overflows at 5 or 11 inches.
199. beell
Quoting 197. Astrometeor:



That's so bad, LOL. You old people and your jokes, lol. *shakes head*


Get outta my yard! There's an app for that if you need help with Cardinal directions.
:))
Quoting 192. Sfloridacat5:

Looks like the temperatures have finally climbed above 32 degrees across central Oklahoma, after a couple days of freezing rain/freezing drizzle.
This hasn't been so good for parts of Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas, but it's a good thing the low and front have been trapped by the ridges to the east and west. If this had been a typical progressive front, the travel problems for the Thanksgiving period would have been a real nightmare. It's strange to be sitting here in south Alabama with just scattered clouds, a temperature of 79, and relative humidity of 50% while north Alabama has rain and temperatures in the high 50's. Even stranger is that this persistent trough/front is unlikely to bring me any rain before it finally moves east of here.
Quoting 198. georgevandenberghe:



With the amounts of rain some people are getting, a simple bucket works better than a guage which overflows at 5 or 11 inches.

Not when you can buy a wireless self-tipper at Walmart for 20 bucks. Saves a lot of traipsing through the yard in the rain, emptying the gauge, and then forgetting the reading before you get around to recording it. :-)
Quoting 194. sar2401:

Sure it can. It's used in aircraft and ships a lot larger than a house. Since we're still using 120/240 volts for appliances, a 12 volt booster is neither expensive nor difficult to install. I just think it's one of those ideas that hasn't had a lot of concentrated thought applied to it. There are also some pretty powerful interest in the electrical industry in general who aren't thrilled with this idea for reasons beyond wiring issues.



To get significant amperage you do need really thick wire or really .. cable. 1500 watts at 12 volts, a typical high draw appliance, requires over 120 amps delivered to the appliance. The resistance of 10GA copper wire (thicker than used in houses) is about 1ohm/1000 feet. 100 amps through this results in a voltage drop of a volt every 10 feet.

One of my friends from Israel commented on the use of 120V primary in buildings here where in most of Europe its 220 or 240 volts. He thought it was because of the abundance of copper here. It's definitely safer.. he also lost a childhood friend to 240V electrocution in Isreal.
Quoting 202. sar2401:

Not when you can buy a wireless self-tipper at Walmart for 20 bucks. Saves a lot of traipsing through the yard in the rain, emptying the gauge, and then forgetting the reading before you get around to recording it. :-)


I was being half sarcastic. I have had times when buckets were near full and the best method was a simple yardstick stuck in. I don't have a gage because of trees and buildings.. poor siting.
Quoting 200. sar2401:

This hasn't been so good for parts of Texas, Oklahoma, and Kansas, but it's a good thing the low and front have been trapped by the ridges to the east and west. If this had been a typical progressive front, the travel problems for the Thanksgiving period would have been a real nightmare. It's strange to be sitting here in south Alabama with just scattered clouds, a temperature of 79, and relative humidity of 50% while north Alabama has rain and temperatures in the high 50's. Even stranger is that this persistent trough/front is unlikely to bring me any rain before it finally moves east of here.


We've had really good weather down here for October and November. The only complaint would be the above normal temperatures, but I'm sure that's been good for the local economy (tourism).
Quoting 183. sar2401:

Here's a suggestion I've been making for a long time to the construction industry. Start installing only 12 volt wiring and fixtures for lighting. LED lighting will serve the needs of almost any household, and they can run natively on 12 volts or less. It doesn't make a lot of sense to continue to make people pay a lot of money for LED lights when the major cost is all the resistors required to reduce the voltage to 12 volts or less. 12 volt wiring is cheap compared to 120 volts, LED lights produce almost no heat, and the consumption of electrical power for lighting would plunge. All that would have to be added to a home is a converter to lower 120 volts to 12 to supply the wiring and fixtures. So far, the response has been a collective yawn. :-)


You are spot on about LED power. In this case the power draw is trivial hence low amperage and low voltage drops
and you avoid the need for conversion in the fixture which generates heat and adds a lot of cost. I think several people read the post to say houses should be wired throughout with only 12 volts and that wouldn't work for high draw appliances. That was the fault of the readers, including me because you made it clear where the converters should be in your post.
Quoting 171. Wacahootaman:



Thanks for stating your location. The map was really a nice touch too.

So many times people on this blog will post local weather observations and not give a location which makes the information not as interesting as when they give a location.
Actually, that wasn't his location, it was Beell's. The quote function here can make that hard to figure out at times. However, I have been campaigning here for a long time to get people to put their location in their profile, even if it's just that part of a the state they live in. So far, my success rate and the CMC's success rate for predicting tropical storms are running neck and neck. Most modern blogs allow, and some require, that you list a location, and that location shows up along with their user name. I have been campaigning for that as well, and the CMC has been doing far better in terms of success. :-)
george- you're right. The world's best-selling Stratus CocoRAHs rain gauge only holds eleven inches. The tipping ones (dear gawd NOT a Walmart one) will handle more rain- but I look at it like this:

If you're getting eleven inches of rain, then that eleven inches of rain is probably the least of your worries.
Quoting 206. georgevandenberghe:



You are spot on about LED power. In this case the power draw is trivial hence low amperage and low voltage drops
and you avoid the need for conversion in the fixture which generates heat and adds a lot of cost. I think several people read the post to say houses should be wired throughout with only 12 volts and that wouldn't work for high draw appliances.
Yes, you'd still need to have the normal 120/240 wiring for appliances and to feed wall outlets for things that can't use 12 volt power. That's why a converter to feed the 12 volts wiring would be inexpensive and you wouldn't need large gauge wire and boosters to just feed a lighting circuit. I'd propose adding 12 volt outlets as well, so things that natively use 12 volts can be plugged in. Even for appliances, there are a large number of them that run off 12 volts, from coffemakers to big screen LED TV's. There are even small heat pipe refrigerators that will run on 12 volts with a relatively low current draw. Solar power would be a lot more cost effective if we could lose the inefficiency of a big, heavy, and expensive inverter. Having lived for a number of years as a fulltimer in both an RV and sailboat, I spent a lot of time researching and using 12 volt systems, and they are lot more effective than just charging the cell phone in your car. However, 12 volts systems won't become cheaper and more efficient without the same kind of push we've used for solar.
Quoting 183. sar2401:

Here's a suggestion I've been making for a long time to the construction industry. Start installing only 12 volt wiring and fixtures for lighting. LED lighting will serve the needs of almost any household, and they can run natively on 12 volts or less. It doesn't make a lot of sense to continue to make people pay a lot of money for LED lights when the major cost is all the resistors required to reduce the voltage to 12 volts or less. 12 volt wiring is cheap compared to 120 volts, LED lights produce almost no heat, and the consumption of electrical power for lighting would plunge. All that would have to be added to a home is a converter to lower 120 volts to 12 to supply the wiring and fixtures. So far, the response has been a collective yawn. :-)


Houses would all need a separate transformer off the main lead, which would be expensive and impractical. Remember that total electrical power is volts multiplied by amps, so if you drop voltage way down, you're forced to step voltage way up. Total power can be reduced too by using resistors and splitting power distribution, but power as it comes into the house is already split down to the practical minimum level for energy loss. The lower the voltage, the more energy is lost because more current flow is required to offset the drop in electrical potential energy of the voltage. This leads to increased energy lost in the form of thermal energy.

Actually, the U.S. usage of 120 volts to me makes less sense than the 240 volt usage in Europe since 120 volts is less efficient and impractical, especially for larger power consumers like computers, vacuum cords, and so on. What comes into the house is 240 volts at typically 240 amps for the house, and usually commercial is 480-600 volts at anywhere from 240 amps to thousands of amps.
The U.S. does run some other power consumers at 240 volts like the drier and the stove. It would be better if everything else did run on 240 as well.

It makes more sense for efficiency, simplicity, and safety, and practicality, if things are only stepped down to 12 volts by using transformers for individual devices, rather than having 12 volt transformers attaching to the main electrical panel, leading to unnecessary loss of thermal energy dissipation, as well as the safety issue and impractically of stepping down 240 volts at the main panel to 12 volts. Sure, LED's don't draw much, but you still need the initial transformers and resistors at the main panel for that to work. There would need to be some strong resistors used which could also be dangerous, because 240 volts at over 10 amps is not easily reduced through resistors to 12 volts at a few amps, that's a huge reduction in power regardless of how little power is being drawn at the end of the circuit for an LED.

Quoting 208. aquak9:

george- you're right. The world's best-selling Stratus CocoRAHs rain gauge only holds eleven inches. The tipping ones (dear gawd NOT a Walmart one) will handle more rain- but I look at it like this:

If you're getting eleven inches of rain, then that eleven inches of rain is probably the least of your worries.
What's wrong with the Walmart one? Good enough for the purpose, and it's cheap enough to buy a new one every year when it breaks, as it will do inevitably. Cripes, a CoCoRAHS rain gauge is about 30 bucks now. I don't know if you wear glasses, but reading that thing in the rain with glasses is well nigh impossible. Or, maybe I'm just getting old and lazy. Still, either beats a coffee can and ruler. :-)
Quoting 211. Jedkins01:



That doesn't make sense, houses would all need a separate transformer off the main lead, which would be expensive and impractical. Remember that total electrical power is volts multiplied by amps, so if you drop voltage way down, you're forced to step voltage way up. Total power can be reduced too by using resistors and splitting power distribution, but power as it comes into the house is already split down to the practical minimum level for energy loss. The lower the voltage, the more energy is lost because more current flow is required to offset the drop in electrical potential energy of the voltage. This leads to increased energy lost in the form of thermal energy.

Actually, the U.S. usage of 120 volts to me makes less sense than the 240 volt usage in Europe since 20 volts is less efficient and impractical, especially for larger power consumers like computers, vacuum cords, and so on. What comes into the house is 240 volts at typically 240 amps for the house, and usually commercial is 480-600 volts at anywhere from 240 amps to thousands of amps.
The U.S. does run some other power consumers at 240 volts like the drier and the stove. It would be better if everything else did run on 240 as well.

It makes more sense for efficiency, simplicity, and safety, and practicality, if things are only stepped down to 12 volts by using transformers for individual devices, rather than having 12 volt transformers attaching to the main electrical panel, leading to unnecessary loss of power through thermal energy dissipation, as well as the safety issue and impractically of stepping down 240 volts at the main panel to 12 volts. There would need to be some strong resistors used which could also be dangerous, because 240 volts at over 10 amps is not easily reduced through resistors to 12 volts at a few amps, that's a huge reduction in power, not just a simple voltage stepdown technique.




I think Sar was proposing step down at the panel or at junction boxes and low voltage wiring only for low current draw appliances like LED lights. This would avoid having to step it down in the devices/appliances themselves and reduce both heat and cost for LEDs. Low voltage is itself much safer than high voltage and if properly fused it's not a fire or short risk either. As an aside, for various reasons I pump water and I never mess with 110 volt electric pumps except for my sump pumps. I always use 12 volt battery power or gasoline powered pumps. It should say something about my drainage that sump pumps is plural.
and it's cheap enough to buy a new one every year when it breaks

NOOO!!! that's the mentality that got us here in the first place!

My CocoRAHS is over eleven years old. See? Multiply your $20/year POS Walmart gauge to my $30/decade CocoRAHS gauge. And the Stratus rain gauge data can and should be uploaded to the CoCoRAHs site.

And I'm not tossing a POS gauge into the landfill every year or so, either.
My rain gauge stopped working in my Davis Vue weather station after a large branch fell on it. I can hear the bucket dumping when I slowly pour water into it, but it's not sending a signal to my base station in the house. It just says 0.0" of precipitation. So I'll need to open up the station and see what's up.
Everything else works (anemometer, barometer, temperature, etc).

I might need to use a bucket for the time being. haha -going high tech for 2016

Quoting 211. Jedkins01:



That doesn't make sense, houses would all need a separate transformer off the main lead, which would be expensive and impractical. Remember that total electrical power is volts multiplied by amps, so if you drop voltage way down, you're forced to step voltage way up. Total power can be reduced too by using resistors and splitting power distribution, but power as it comes into the house is already split down to the practical minimum level for energy loss. The lower the voltage, the more energy is lost because more current flow is required to offset the drop in electrical potential energy of the voltage. This leads to increased energy lost in the form of thermal energy.

Actually, the U.S. usage of 120 volts to me makes less sense than the 240 volt usage in Europe since 20 volts is less efficient and impractical, especially for larger power consumers like computers, vacuum cords, and so on. What comes into the house is 240 volts at typically 240 amps for the house, and usually commercial is 480-600 volts at anywhere from 240 amps to thousands of amps.
The U.S. does run some other power consumers at 240 volts like the drier and the stove. It would be better if everything else did run on 240 as well.

It makes more sense for efficiency, simplicity, and safety, and practicality, if things are only stepped down to 12 volts by using transformers for individual devices, rather than having 12 volt transformers attaching to the main electrical panel, leading to unnecessary loss of power through thermal energy dissipation, as well as the safety issue and impractically of stepping down 240 volts at the main panel to 12 volts. There would need to be some strong resistors used which could also be dangerous, because 240 volts at over 10 amps is not easily reduced through resistors to 12 volts at a few amps, that's a huge reduction in power, not just a simple voltage stepdown technique.


No, Jed, you're wrong about this. First, many RVS use a converter to step down voltage from 120/240. They are already relatively inexpensive, and will get more so with more volume of sales. Second, there's nothing inherently dangerous about stepping down 120 to 12. If it was, every compact fluorescent and LED light in use should be exploding in flames. Third, how can it possibly be more efficient if we're using anywhere from 10-40 light bulbs that have individual converters, each generating heat and each with wildly varying levels of electrical efficiency and RF interference, compared to one 12 volt converter installed at the panel? Remember, I'm only talking about a lighting circuit here, not abandoning 120/240 volt wiring completely. This technology is already in use in things from 45 foot RV's to 100 foot boats. It's not new or untested technology.

What you're right about is the use of 120 volts compared to 240. That's the penalty for being first in the widespread development of electric power for houses. Europe came to the game later, when the arguments over DC or AC power were settled, and the higher voltage was clearly more efficient. It's too late to change that now in the US, but a change to 12 volts wiring circuits and efficient 12 volt lighting is not too late in new construction as long as there's some muscle behind it. Right now, there's not.
Quoting 165. Xulonn:

Just curious, but what makes yet another rampant display of ignorance from journalist Christopher Booker - which is backed up only with lies and misleading information from someone with no science background - seem interesting to you?


Xulonn,

Sorry, but But Booker should never be called a journalist, fraud or liar are much more accurate.
Quoting 208. aquak9:

george- you're right. The world's best-selling Stratus CocoRAHs rain gauge only holds eleven inches. The tipping ones (dear gawd NOT a Walmart one) will handle more rain- but I look at it like this:

If you're getting eleven inches of rain, then that eleven inches of rain is probably the least of your worries.


The Stratus CocoRAHs gauge is the most accurate because it doesn't require a a calculation technique of the automated tipping bucket. Sure the difference isn't much, but in very heavy rain rates it makes a difference.

Also, 1 day rain events rarely exceed 11 inches no matter where one lives in the world, even the wettest places that are most prone to heavy rain rarely get events over 11 inches in 1 day. Besides, anyone who is interested in meteorology should be willing to go out check during extremely heavy events and dump the rain out and record it if a rain event exceeds 11 inches.

I know someone who experienced a rare event over 11 inches using the gauge, he ran outside in a rain jacket as it approached the overflow point, quickly dumped all the water into a separate container, and then put the gauge back in place then used the water later and measured it all back into the container using the original 11 inches plus the new accumulation. If done quickly, the falling rain missed during the few seconds it takes to dump the water into a new container and place the empty gauge back in place would take only about 10 seconds if it happened to be still raining during the process. Even in a downpour, a only a few hundredths of an inch in accuracy would be missed at most. That wouldn't be much, and would rarely be faced.

I have a Stratus CocoRAHs at my place here at school, as well as at my parents house in the Tampa Bay area, I personally love the visual stored rainfall along with measuring and collecting data manually.
Quoting 212. sar2401:

What's wrong with the Walmart one? Good enough for the purpose, and it's cheap enough to buy a new one every year when it breaks, as it will do inevitably. Cripes, a CoCoRAHS rain gauge is about 30 bucks now. I don't know if you wear glasses, but reading that thing in the rain with glasses is well nigh impossible. Or, maybe I'm just getting old and lazy. Still, either beats a coffee can and ruler. :-)


My vision stinks and I've never had any issues taking gauge readings in the 4+ years with my CoCoRaHS gauge purchased from none other than water doggie and hubby. When it rains I look forward to seeing how much has fallen akin to old folk picking up the daily newspaper from their driveway ;)
Quoting 215. aquak9:

and it's cheap enough to buy a new one every year when it breaks

NOOO!!! that's the mentality that got us here in the first place!

My CocoRAHS is over eleven years old. See? Multiply your $20/year POS Walmart gauge to my $30/decade CocoRAHS gauge. And the Stratus rain gauge data can and should be uploaded to the CoCoRAHs site.

And I'm not tossing a POS gauge into the landfill every year or so, either.

I only used that as an illustration. My weather station is going on four years old and the rain gauge still works fine. I've had three new weather stations over about the past 10 years, One was to replace the previous model that had multiple failure (Davis Vantage) and one was to get all the cool new stuff that was available. Kind of like replacing our computers every five years or so...or your smartphone every year if you're under 30, or every six months if you're under 20. :-) I still have problems reading my Stratus gauge in the rain, and I still sometimes forget the reading before I record it. And, when it comes to longevity, nothing beats my Taylor wedge. I got it for Christmas when I was 16, have dragged it around me through all my many moves, and it's still mounted on a post in the backyard. The only maintenance I've had to do was a regularly cleaning to get the gunk out of the bottom, and use some red paint to highlight the graduations since the original paint was wearing off. That Taylor is going on 54 years now, so you can't beat that for cost effectiveness.
Quoting 220. StAugustineFL:



My vision stinks and I've never had any issues taking gauge readings in the 4+ years with my CoCoRaHS gauge purchased from none other than water doggie and hubby. When it rains I look forward to seeing how much has fallen akin to old folk picking up the daily newspaper from their driveway ;)
Do you wear glasses and try to read it in the rain? It was a lot easier when I was younger to read the rain gauge than it is now.
I liked the one with my weather station because it reads to a hundredth of an inch and it tells you the rainfall rate and 24 hour (daily, monthly, yearly) totals.
Quoting 214. georgevandenberghe:



I think Sar was proposing step down at the panel or at junction boxes and low voltage wiring only for low current draw appliances like LED lights. This would avoid having to step it down in the devices/appliances themselves and reduce both heat and cost for LEDs. Low voltage is itself much safer than high voltage and if properly fused it's not a fire or short risk either. As an aside, for various reasons I pump water and I never mess with 110 volt electric pumps except for my sump pumps. I always use 12 volt battery power or gasoline powered pumps. It should say something about my drainage that sump pumps is plural.
That's exactly what I was proposing, although I guess not too clearly. We already split 240 volts down to 120 at every entrance panel in America. Going from 120 to 12 is not inherently difficult or dangerous from an engineering standpoint. This obviously only works in new house construction, but it will never get done unless it's added to the energy conservation codes.
Quoting 222. sar2401:

Do you wear glasses and try to read it in the rain? It was a lot easier when I was younger to read the rain gauge than it is now.


I work from home and wear glasses in the morning before I pop the contacts in. I've never had an issue with the inner tube which records to the hundredth of an inch. Pop my head down and BAM! .17" or whatever. The biggest hassle (which isn't much of one) is the overflow tube for heavy rain events and the refilling of the inner tube inch by inch. I'm hoping for another May 2nd, 2013 local nor'easter event which dumped 9.66" in 24 hours.

Man, that sounds like work. beell may be ahead of the curve with the coffee can!
Looks like Kate and Sandra were the last storms in both the Atlantic and Pacific basins, with hurricane season ending tomorrow.
Quoting 217. sar2401:

No, Jed, you're wrong about this. First, many RVS use a converter to step down voltage from 120/240. They are already relatively inexpensive, and will get more so with more volume of sales. Second, there's nothing inherently dangerous about stepping down 120 to 12. If it was, every compact fluorescent and LED light in use should be exploding in flames. Third, how can it possibly be more efficient if we're using anywhere from 10-40 light bulbs that have individual converters, each generating heat and each with wildly varying levels of electrical efficiency and RF interference, compared to one 12 volt converter installed at the panel? Remember, I'm only talking about a lighting circuit here, not abandoning 120/240 volt wiring completely. This technology is already in use in things from 45 foot RV's to 100 foot boats. It's not new or untested technology.

What you're right about is the use of 120 volts compared to 240. That's the penalty for being first in the widespread development of electric power for houses. Europe came to the game later, when the arguments over DC or AC power were settled, and the higher voltage was clearly more efficient. It's too late to change that now in the US, but a change to 12 volts wiring circuits and efficient 12 volt lighting is not too late in new construction as long as there's some muscle behind it. Right now, there's not.



Oh ok, sorry, I misunderstood you, I thought you were talking about stepping down main power again and have the home run mainly on 12 volts, which is why I said it would be not safe or efficient due to the massive heat dissipation needed for sources that draw a lot of power. Having a separate power source just for low voltages could indeed work and could be more efficient. I suppose the reason it hasn't happened is because large scale power installations has been around way before the usage of low voltage and overall low power usage devices like electronics and LED lights. As a result there tends to often be opposition for large scale reworking of things in society. It's much the reason why alternative energy will be very slow to come by even if it becomes easy to use as a large scale, cheap alternative.

An example of where 12 volt systems are used is with fire alarm systems. Some run on 20, 30, or 40 volts too, but many do run on 12 volt wiring throughout the house.

YAY! ok sar, you admit you have a Stratus. And an old Taylor? Dude, that's so cool.

(smiles appreciatively)

My husband's first gift to me was an analog Weems and Plath barometer. The next gift was the Stratus.
Of COURSE I had to marry that man!
Quoting 224. sar2401:

That's exactly what I was proposing, although I guess not too clearly. We already split 240 volts down to 120 at every entrance panel in America. Going from 120 to 12 is not inherently difficult or dangerous from an engineering standpoint. This obviously only works in new house construction, but it will never get done unless it's added to the energy conservation codes.
The only drawback I can see to SAR's proposal is that it would be necessary to put the two wiring systems in separate conduits to avoid inductive coupling boosting the voltage in the low-voltage circuit. That would double the conduit runs and installation cost, but the savings in a year or two would probably pay for it. It would also be advisable to install a whole-house surge protection system to avoid blowing expensive bulbs in case of a close lightning strike, but that, using CFLs, is also a hazard with 120V systems now.
Quoting 223. Sfloridacat5:

I liked the one with my weather station because it reads to a hundredth of an inch and it tells you the rainfall rate and 24 hour (daily, monthly, yearly) totals.
The Stratus also reads to hundredths but, as you say, it won't give you the instantaneous rainfall rate, something I like to see in terms of the risk of flash flooding. Since my weather station is connected to my computer, I can produce a graph which shows the rainfall by minute if I really need to. I imagine the NWS no longer sends meteorologists out in the rain to get rain readings either.

In regards to the broken rain gauge, there's several circuit boards inside the Vue, one of which is for the rain gauge. The tree branch probably broke either a trace or connection to the board. If it's just a broken connection, you can can fix that with a pencil iron and some soldering skills. If it's a broken trace, you're stuck getting a new board unless you have some experience working with surface mount components. Ambient Weather has most of the circuit boards for the Vue, including the one you'd need.
European windstorm Nils: Gusts in Denmark now up to 146 km/h = 91 mph. There is even some howling around my house hundreds of miles south.



Edit: Gusts in Denmark now up to 165 kmh = 102 mph.
Quoting 223. Sfloridacat5:

I liked the one with my weather station because it reads to a hundredth of an inch and it tells you the rainfall rate and 24 hour (daily, monthly, yearly) totals.


Yeah that's the one thing I don't like non-digital gauges, is no rainfall rates. I will eventually get a digital gauge and use both to compare results, but I don't the money for an accurate digital gauge, I'm a poor college student, lol.
Quoting 230. sar2401:

The Stratus also reads to hundredths but, as you say, it won't give you the instantaneous rainfall rate, something I like to see in terms of the risk of flash flooding. Since my weather station is connected to my computer, I can produce a graph which shows the rainfall by minute if I really need to. I imagine the NWS no longer sends meteorologists out in the rain to get rain readings either.

In regards to the broken rain gauge, there's several circuit boards inside the Vue, one of which is for the rain gauge. The tree branch probably broke either a trace or connection to the board. If it's just a broken connection, you can can fix that with a pencil iron and some soldering skills. If it's a broken trace, you're stuck getting a new board unless you have some experience working with surface mount components. Ambient Weather has most of the circuit boards for the Vue, inclusing the one you'd need.


Thanks I'll check it out.
Quoting 229. CaneFreeCR:

The only drawback I can see to SAR's proposal is that it would be necessary to put the two wiring systems in separate conduits to avoid inductive coupling boosting the voltage in the low-voltage circuit. That would double the conduit runs and installation cost, but the savings in a year or two would probably pay for it. It would also be advisable to install a whole-house surge protection system to avoid blowing expensive bulbs in case of a close lightning strike, but that, using CFLs, is also a hazard with 120V systems now.
I don't think you'd need conduit for the 12 volt wiring, just some shielded Romex type bundles. I'm not a real up on codes now, so I don't really know, but the 12 volt wiring in the RV and boat was run right next to the 120 volt Romex and I never noticed any induction issues. As you say, anyone using CFL or LED bulbs now faces a much greater risk of having them blown out by a near miss because each one has its own converter. Most of the in-bulb converters are built for price, not quality, so some of them become defective with just a normal power surge, let alone lightning. The real big issue for me as I've converted everything from incandescent to CFL/LED lights is the tremendous amount of radio interference I've had to deal with. CFL's are particularly bad with HF interference, but one of my LED bulbs even completely knocked out the lower channels on my digital TV. It would be lot easier to deal with this if there was a remote converter at the panel.
Quoting 228. aquak9:

YAY! ok sar, you admit you have a Stratus. And an old Taylor? Dude, that's so cool.

(smiles appreciatively)

My husband's first gift to me was an analog Weems and Plath barometer. The next gift was the Stratus.
Of COURSE I had to marry that man!
I was on CocoRAHS at my other location in Alabama. I haven't signed up here, mainly because I spend a lot of time away, which is not going to be very helpful for the network. My Taylor wedge is still sold in an incarnation called the Clear-Vu. It's not accurate below a tenth, but look at the yellow background and huge numbers! It's made for geezers like me. :-)

It is hard to believe Christmas is 3 weeks away, along with the official start of Winter.
hey Climate175- I hope there's a DOW under that tree for me!!
Quoting 237. aquak9:

hey Climate175- I hope there's a DOW under that tree for me!!
Well you better leave the gift giving to Jolly Ole St. Nick. LOL!
Quoting 227. Jedkins01:




Oh ok, sorry, I misunderstood you, I thought you were talking about stepping down main power again and have the home run mainly on 12 volts, which is why I said it would be not safe or efficient due to the massive heat dissipation needed for sources that draw a lot of power. Having a separate power source just for low voltages could indeed work and could be more efficient. I suppose the reason it hasn't happened is because large scale power installations has been around way before the usage of low voltage and overall low power usage devices like electronics and LED lights. As a result there tends to often be opposition for large scale reworking of things in society. It's much the reason why alternative energy will be very slow to come by even if it becomes easy to use as a large scale, cheap alternative.

An example of where 12 volt systems are used is with fire alarm systems. Some run on 20, 30, or 40 volts too, but many do run on 12 volt wiring throughout the house.


No problem, I didn't state it very well. My proposal would only apply to new house construction or whole house remodels. It would be far too expensive in existing houses. There's a huge industry built around 120 volt lighting of all types. According to the US Energy Information Agency, about 14% of residential power consumption is for lighting, and 19% for commercial. That's about 412 billion kWh for lighting, a huge number when it's looked at in total. If we could reduce that by 20% in the next 10 years, and 50% over the next 25 years, that would be a lot of carbon not going into the atmosphere. 12 volt lighting systems can add up to those savings and more. The power industry, from people who make lamps to those generating power, don't mind if a bunch of weirdos with roofs covered in solar panels are all they have to worry about. A program to save power that requires no effort on the part of the consumer is another matter. Just like electric cars, it's easy to come up with objections instead of solutions, and that's just what the industry wants to see.
"No Planet B", marchers worldwide tell leaders before U.N. climate summit
Source: Reuters - Sun, 29 Nov 2015 18:46 GMT
* Organisers say 570,000 take part in rallies worldwide
* Shoes laid out in central Paris to mark absent marchers
* Celebrities join London climate protest
* World leaders meet for climate summit from Monday

More see link above.

COP21: Rallies call for Paris climate change action
BBC News, 42 minutes ago
Hundreds of thousands of people have marched worldwide to demand action to stop climate change but one protest in Paris was marred by violence. ...
Quoting 161. Birkenstocks:

Interesting COP21 article

Link



I agree. Posting blatant lies and nonsense shouldn't be allowed in any periodical with a shred of journalistic integrity.

But this is the Telegraph. Their integrity comes in rolls and used in bathrooms.
RitaEvac- those weather bridges are SWEET- just make sure you buy from a reputable dealer. Don't just go with the cheapest price, as the seller/dealer might be one of those fly-by-night schysters who will not be able to refund your money if it arrives broken.
Interesting weather night with "Nils" ahead for the northern half Europe, and probably the untimely end for a lot of open air christmas trees and christmas decorations.


Current radar map with the line of stormy convection approaching my place mid Germany (and the spires of our nearby cathedral of Mainz are already constantly howling - always a sign that strong winds are getting mixed down even in my sheltered place).

Gust of 144 kmh / 90 mph now recorded at the coast of southern Sweden.


And 156 kmh on Brocken mountain in Germany - but this lonesome mountain is always a bit otherworldly.


Edit: Current pressure in Europe with tight isobares. Earlier "Nils" bottomed out with 970mb.


Surface map for tomorrow won't promise exactly a calm day.
Quoting 243. aquak9:

RitaEvac- those weather bridges are SWEET- just make sure you buy from a reputable dealer. Don't just go with the cheapest price, as the seller/dealer might be one of those fly-by-night schysters who will not be able to refund your money if it arrives broken.


It's from the Ambient website, so should be legit I hope
Quoting 225. StAugustineFL:



I work from home and wear glasses in the morning before I pop the contacts in. I've never had an issue with the inner tube which records to the hundredth of an inch. Pop my head down and BAM! .17" or whatever. The biggest hassle (which isn't much of one) is the overflow tube for heavy rain events and the refilling of the inner tube inch by inch. I'm hoping for another May 2nd, 2013 local nor'easter event which dumped 9.66" in 24 hours.

Man, that sounds like work. beell may be ahead of the curve with the coffee can!
It is a lot of work! I had an 8" gauge when I was a co-op observer back in the day. It could hold 20 inches of rain. It also had a viciously sharp snow cutter on top. Other than having my hand cut up by the snow cutter, the biggest problem the gauge was all brass, and I measured the rainfall using a ruler type thing that I think was made of bamboo. I stuck it down in the tube, pulled it out, and read the rain on the highest part of the scale that was wet. I don't know what they did to that ruler, but it was easy to see where the wet part ended, and it dried out pretty fast. Still, there was no glancing at the gauge, I had to use the measuring stick, and protect it from the rain as I read it, so I didn't get a false reading. That was a lot of work! I wish I still had that gauge as a collector's item but, alas, the Weather Bureau took it back when we moved to the city and they didn't need an observer there. In terms of the tipping bucket compared to the manual gauge, there are less than 50 official stations left that still use a manual gauge. All the rest, plus every ASOS station, uses the remote reading tipping bucket. As long as a correction figure is used for heavy rain events, they are really about equal in terms of accuracy now. It sure saves a lot of running out in the rain. It's also nice to come back from a five day trip and be able to read the hourly and daily rainfall without me being there.
I have no idea why the CoCoRAHs gauges don't have the labels for inches on the outter tube, it's insane to fill the innter tube over and over for each inch. I was thinking about just marking it myself so I wouldnt have to do it all the time. I know that 0.70" on the outside of the inner tube is 7".
248. beell
Quoting 243. aquak9:

RitaEvac- those weather bridges are SWEET- just make sure you buy from a reputable dealer. Don't just go with the cheapest price, as the seller/dealer might be one of those fly-by-night schysters who will not be able to refund your money if it arrives broken.


There are no more reputable/knowledgable/honest dealers than the folks at rainmanweather.com

Tell 'em you're a WU member and aquak9 might send you some free Lady Slipper peas or broccoli clods with your order...or sumptin'.

Quoting 245. RitaEvac:



It's from the Ambient website, so should be legit I hope
Nothing wrong with the WS-2080 for an inexpensive station. You can buy them at Amazon, and they will stand behind their vendors. The shipping from Ambient is outrageous ($25 to Alabama), but you can get one for a lot less with free shipping from Amazon. They occasionally have open box specials, which usually means one part of the package got a little dented but everything inside is fine, for about $100 shipped. You will need the solar shield no matter what they say if you want accurate temperature readings, so that's going to cost an additional $30-$40. I was a little concerned about the all plastic construction, especially for the anemometer and wind vane, but mine survived 65 mph with no problems. A real hurricane will probably destroy it and your mounting, no matter what kind of consumer grade station you get. The included software is terrible, but you can download the free Cumulus weather software that works really well. When my current station breaks down, I'll probably get a WS-2080 to replace it.
From the Miami NWS Discussion...

AN ACTIVE WEATHER PERIOD IS LOOKING POSSIBLE THU-FRI...WITH
MODERATE CONFIDENCE. THE ACTIVE WEATHER COULD CONTINUE INTO THE
WEEKEND...LOW CONFIDENCE ON THAT.

BOTH GFS/ECMWF SHOW THE WEAKENING COLD FRONTAL BOUNDARY MOVING
INTO THE LAKE REGION OR FULLY ENTRENCHED OVER SOUTH FLORIDA BY
THU, THEN BECOMING STATIONARY AS THE SHORTWAVE BECOMES STRUNG
OUT...NOT PROVIDING ENOUGH OF A PUSH SOUTH. MEANWHILE, TROPICAL
MOISTURE FLOWS INTO SOUTH FLORIDA IN FROM THE WESTERN
CARIBBEAN...AND THE STAGE IS SET FOR POSSIBLE ACTIVE WEATHER LATE
WEEK. PW ON FORECAST SOUNDINGS GETS TO 2.0"+...OR 2 STANDARD
DEVIATIONS ABOVE AVG, AND WITH THE FRONT PROVIDING A FOCUS,
LOCALLY HEAVY RAINFALL LOOKS TO BE A POSSIBILITY. ADDED A SLIGHT
CHANCE OF TSTORMS THIS PERIOD AS WELL AS INSTABILITY DOES INCREASE
A TAD, DESPITED THE ABUNDANCE OF CLOUDINESS PROJECTED. THE MAIN
CONCERN THU-FRI LOOKS TO BE LOCALLY HEAVY RAINFALL/URBAN FLOOD
POTENTIAL.

ECMWF IS MORE PROGRESSIVE AND MOVES THE SHORTWAVE EAST WITH
IMPROVING CONDITIONS ON SATURDAY, BUT THE GFS CUTS THE LOW OFF
OVER THE DEEP SOUTH AND KEEPS UNSETTLED WEATHER GOING INTO THE
UPCOMING WEEKEND. SO AGAIN...LOW CONFIDENCE ON THE WEEKEND
FORECAST.

TEMPS WILL BE ABOVE AVERAGE ALL WEEK LONG AS IT BECOMES STICKY
WITH DEWPOINTS ON THE RISE...SO IT`S NOT GOING TO FEEL ANYTHING
LIKE DECEMBER AS WE TURN THE CALENDAR FORWARD THIS WEEK.
/GREGORIA

Link
Quoting 247. RitaEvac:

I have no idea why the CoCoRAHs gauges don't have the labels for inches on the outter tube, it's insane to fill the innter tube over and over for each inch. I was thinking about just marking it myself so I wouldnt have to do it all the time. I know that 0.70" on the outside of the inner tube is 7".
I suspect it's just the way it always done, going back to the brass funnel gauges. With all plastic gauges, it doesn't make a lot of sense to me now.
252. MahFL
Snow and shadows of mountains in CA:

Quoting 209. Astrometeor:



Hid it while you weren't lookin'. Wouldn't matter any way, you'd probably clip beell and not me. :-0

At some point today I am going back to school. Break ends today, unfortunately. Then it's 6 days of classes followed by 4 days of exams. That's 10 days left before winter break for you old folk.
Nah, I'm a pretty good shot, although there's a chance I'd get you and wing Beell anyway. :-)

I didn't get my bachelors degree until I was 30. I started back to college when I was 24, so it took a lot of years working full-time. I got into graduate school, and did my first semester until I saw my wife going off to work every day so I could get my master's. At that point, I really thought it was time to be a good husband and father and not worry about the additional education. I wanted to get my PHd and become a psychologist, but I'd be about 90 before I got into practice at the rate I was going. I kind of miss school for the intellectual back and forth, but things like finals and four days worth of exams snaps me back to reality.
Quoting 236. Climate175:

It is hard to believe Christmas is 3 weeks away, along with the official start of Winter.



we this had X mass next is thanks giving \

lol
Quoting 247. RitaEvac:

I have no idea why the CoCoRAHs gauges don't have the labels for inches on the outter tube, it's insane to fill the innter tube over and over for each inch. I was thinking about just marking it myself so I wouldnt have to do it all the time. I know that 0.70" on the outside of the inner tube is 7".
Just remember that the depth in the outer tube has the displacement of the inner tube included -- when you remove the inner tube to dump it the water level in the outer drops that much. So calibrating the outer tube isn't so simple. The second inch of rain isn't one inch deep in the outer tube until you remove the inner, but when you pour that into the inner it should fill it.
Were going to get soaked here in Mid TN, and some other areas as well..Real glad its not ice...




Tuni, an unusual tropical system EAST of the Dateline in the South Pacific, feeding off the heart of the El Nino warm pool. Looks like it's become sheared.
Quoting 257. hydrus:



Beautiful sunset here in the SF Bay Area this evening as a system to the west bashes into the dry air block. Plenty of cirrus with some thick patches. The block is forecast to drift east, allowing a stronger system to come in here by Thursday.
Quoting 244. barbamz:

Interesting weather night with "Nils" ahead for the northern half Europe, and probably the untimely end for a lot of open air christmas trees and christmas decorations.


Current radar map with the line of stormy convection approaching my place mid Germany (and the spires of our nearby cathedral of Mainz are already constantly howling - always a sign that strong winds are getting mixed down even in my sheltered place).

Gust of 144 kmh / 90 mph now recorded at the coast of southern Sweden.


And 156 kmh on Brocken mountain in Germany - but this lonesome mountain is always a bit otherworldly.


Edit: Current pressure in Europe with tight isobares. Earlier "Nils" bottomed out with 970mb.


Surface map for tomorrow won't promise exactly a calm day.

Any snow south of Scandinavia yet?
Looking at the weather ahead, it appears my return to Miami is going to be a return to the heat...
Quoting 194. sar2401:

Sure it can. It's used in aircraft and ships a lot larger than a house. Since we're still using 120/240 volts for appliances, a 12 volt booster is neither expensive nor difficult to install. I just think it's one of those ideas that hasn't had a lot of concentrated thought applied to it. There are also some pretty powerful interest in the electrical industry in general who aren't thrilled with this idea for reasons beyond wiring issues.

SAR, I didn't know about ships being 12 volts. How do they deal with voltage drop?
I guess I don't know as much as I think I do when it comes to low voltages.
Quoting 253. sar2401:

Nah, I'm a pretty good shot, although there's a chance I'd get you and wing Beell anyway. :-)

I didn't get my bachelors degree until I was 30. I started back to college when I was 24, so it took a lot of years working full-time. I got into graduate school, and did my first semester until I saw my wife going off to work every day so I could get my master's. At that point, I really thought it was time to be a good husband and father and not worry about the additional education. I wanted to get my PHd and become a psychologist, but I'd be about 90 before I got into practice at the rate I was going. I kind of miss school for the intellectual back and forth, but things like finals and four days worth of exams snaps me back to reality.


That's what we're here for, the intellectual back and forth.
Quoting 265. bwi:

Some interesting real-time earth views tonight:

Beijing China pollution extreme:
http://earth.nullschool.net/#current/chem/surface /level/overlay=cosc/orthographic=110.98,39.43,280

East coast U.S. gulf stream temp anomalies:
http://earth.nullschool.net/#current/ocean/surfac e/currents/overlay=sea_surface_temp_anomaly/orthog raphic=285.41,37.28,512


On the pollution one, what's that in western Canada? I thought the fires should be out by now.
267. bwi
Quoting 266. chasSoCal:



On the pollution one, what's that in western Canada? I thought the fires should be out by now.


The blob on the right might be tar sands production. The one closer to the coast I have no idea.
http://earth.nullschool.net/#current/chem/surface /level/overlay=cosc/orthographic=253.86,53.99,2048
Good evening

It's a 77 feeling like 77, cloudy night over here on the island right now.

So if anyone was following me last night, they saw that I was battling mega rain (4.55 inches according to WU), had thunderstorms, lightening, a small earthquake..but ya'll missed the best of it. As the power flickered, I signed off and went looking for my battery-operated fan and light. Got them and settled in for a good read with my latest novel and my glass of wine. One sip, and what the...NOT going there with the gag reflexes...termite wings and wine DON'T mix! ;-)

It was a great night! Hope all is well with everybody.

Lindy
269. bwi
These pics from Business Insider give an idea of the scale of the tar sands production, so I think that's part of the Canadian carbon monoxide blob
http://www.businessinsider.com/photos-destructive -canada-oil-sands-2012-10
Quoting 266. chasSoCal:



On the pollution one, what's that in western Canada? I thought the fires should be out by now.


Nope. Fires still burning...

http://activefiremaps.fs.fed.us/?extent=canada
271. bwi
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Quoting 269. bwi:

This pics from Business Insider give an idea of the scale of the tar sands production, so I think that's part of the Canadian carbon monoxide blob
http://www.businessinsider.com/photos-destructive -canada-oil-sands-2012-10


Thanks for that. Hard to imagine the scale of those operations.
Quoting 270. Dakster:



Nope. Fires still burning...

http://activefiremaps.fs.fed.us/?extent=canada


Very interesting site. Bookmarked. Thanks.
Quoting 273. chasSoCal:



Very interesting site. Bookmarked. Thanks.


You are welcome.

I try to keep track of them - since it affects my weather or at least environment.
Quoting 226. Climate175:

Looks like Kate and Sandra were the last storms in both the Atlantic and Pacific basins, with hurricane season ending tomorrow.
WRONG. December promises 2 Atl. Storms, one is forecast to be a major. Even an early January storm is possible, although that will be debated for decades as to which season it belongs to. Watch and learn.
277. vis0
Quoting 115. HurricaneHunterJoe:

Our 2015 El Nino, I wonder if it can evolve into a permanent El Nino?
el squatter?...too soon?
(bites tongue)
Quoting 275. eyewallblues:

WRONG. December promises 2 Atl. Storms, one is forecast to be a major. Even an early January storm is possible, although that will be debated for decades as to which season it belongs to. Watch and learn.


And this forecast is from where? I don't doubt you, just want to know who is saying this.

Promise is a strong word in weather... Just like the news girl up here after a snow less night when snow was forecast, asked the weatherman, "Just where was that 6" you promised me last night?"

Now what would be horrible is if that Major hit Florida after all the hype of going 10 years without a major hurricane hit in Florida.... Because, well, that would be wrong...
gee I watched an hour science show on that super volcano out in Yellowstone natl park..and IF and When that volcano gets its super eruption,we all can forget global warming..it will be life changing for possibly the whole world. scientists studying it know it WILL explode sometime,scariest part is, they have no idea when,one scientist thinks before 2070,im glad I wont be here by then..dont want to be around when that one blows her top.
Quoting 261. BayFog:


Any snow south of Scandinavia yet?

Sure, there was some snow earlier this month in many parts of Central Europe, even down to lower areas, and there is still snow in the various mountains even in parts of southern Europe. But overall, it has become once again milder with the latest windstorms from west, and should stay this way in the first week of December.

Our German storm "Nils" from last night apparently is "Gorm" in Skandinavia :-)

Storm Gorm rocks Denmark like a hurricane
The Local (Denmark), Updated: 30 Nov 2015 08:23 GMT+01:00
UPDATED: Storm Gorm left Denmark for Sweden in the early hours of Monday but the effects of the hurricane-strength winds were expected to linger.
The Danish Meteorology Institute (DMI) said that Storm Gorm brought hurricane-strength winds to several parts of Denmark on Sunday as it moved westward across the country.
The highest wind strength was measured at Sjællands Odde on Sunday night, at 165 kph. The winds were at 144 kph at the Blåvandshuk Lighthouse in western Jutland when Gorm made landfall at around 7pm. Speeds of 32.6 mps or 117 kph and above are officially considered hurricane-strength. ...


Power cuts for 55,000 Swedes after Storm Gorm
The Local (Sweden) Updated: 30 Nov 2015 10:47 GMT+01:00
Tens of thousands of people in western and southern Sweden are without electricity after a storm ripped through the region on Sunday night.
Storm Gorm is one of the most powerful weather systems to hit Sweden in years, having moved north from Denmark over the weekend.
It pulled down trees and power lines across the south of the country, while residents reported damaged roofs and cars.
"We’ve had everything from chimneys that have become loose and blown down to roofs that have come off and barns literally torn up from the ground," Johan Wallin, a spokesperson for the emergency services in Halland told the TT news wire.
"There will be many more phone calls when the electricity comes back; we’re learning there are many trees lying around the county," he added....


Quoting 281. LargoFl:

gee I watched an hour science show on that super volcano out in Yellowstone natl park..and IF and When that volcano gets its super eruption,we all can forget global warming..it will be life changing for possibly the whole world. scientists studying it know it WILL explode sometime,scariest part is, they have no idea when,one scientist thinks before 2070,im glad I wont be here by then..dont want to be around when that one blows her top.
That would indeed be a big blast. But scientists are becoming more convinced by the year that the Yellowstone caldera is many hundreds if not thousands of millennia from blowing its top. That's because the magma plume underlying Yellowstone today is moving to the northeast and beneath increasingly thick and dense rock, and it will stay that way for several million years. (Some vulcanologists even speculate that Yellowstone may be extinct forever.) At any rate, in the words of the Park itself: "Another caldera-forming eruption is theoretically possible, but it is very unlikely in the next thousand or even 10,000 years." Given that the multiple threats from climate change are happening today, and with the worst effects just a few decades down the road, global warming is a *far* more likely and existential threat to mankind than a Yellowstone VEI 8 eruption.

I'm afraid we're not going to get off so easy...
My buddy Oz sent me email this morning. His work is nothing short of awesome!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeHR5MuqbRc&featu re=youtu.be

This is an animation derived from GOES East satellite imagery. It
contains 10,197 individual image files; each one manually downloaded
from the NOAA NESDIS server. This effort took seven months to
complete, and has been upgraded from past animations to include stills
and animated gifs of all named storms, their peak intensities, and
coordinates at landfall.

The most interesting moment in this video is when it appears that
Hurricane Joaquin turns a fire hose onto South Carolina. I have never
seen anything like that before. South Carolina suffered massive,
statewide flooding from that major hurricane. Besides lashing the
Bahamas for a couple of days, Joaquin also sank the cargo ship "El
Faro" and killed all thirty-two crewmembers on board.

At the end of this video, the actual number of named storms,
hurricanes, and major hurricanes is compared to the pre-season
predictions of the National Weather Service, Colorado State
University, and The Weather Channel.

Here is a timeline of all named storms in the 2015 Hurricane Season Animation:

00:35 - Ana
03:50 - Bill
06:00 - Claudette
08:55 - Danny
09:25 - Erika
09:50 - Fred
10:20 - Grace
10:40 - Henri
11:25 - Ida
12:10 - Joaquin
12:30 - SPECIAL HIGHLIGHT - Joaquin's Fire Hose Effect upon South Carolina
15:30 - Kate
Quoting 286. Neapolitan:

That would indeed be a big blast. But scientists are becoming more convinced by the year that the Yellowstone caldera is many hundreds if not thousands of millennia from blowing its top. That's because the magma plume underlying Yellowstone today is moving to the northeast and beneath increasingly thick and dense rock, and it will stay that way for several million years. (Some vulcanologists even speculate that Yellowstone may be extinct forever.) At any rate, in the words of the Park itself: "Another caldera-forming eruption is theoretically possible, but it is very unlikely in the next thousand or even 10,000 years." Given that the multiple threats from climate change are happening today, and with the worst effects just a few decades down the road, global warming is a *far* more likely and existential threat to mankind than a Yellowstone VEI 8 eruption.

I'm afraid we're not going to get off so easy...
yes it would change our lives for sure..most of the united states would be gone or changed,millions would die,and the aftermath would be so horrible,imagine..no crops able to grow for perhaps 6 years or more..remembering where in the usa where our huge grain fields are..in the mid west...hope it never happens
Good Morning. Hope everyone enjoyed a safe and family orientated Thanksgiving break. Here is the WPC forecast for conus today:


And it looks like the potential rain totals from the remnants of Sandra between now and tomorrow are starting to dry out; hopefully this trend will continue and not bring too much additional rain to Texas and the lower Mid-West.



291. JRRP
Nino showing the power.

Follow up on Pontoon story.

Freda (rescuer) was my high school Oceanography teacher and an encyclopedia of coastal waters of NJ. Rupp (surfer-rescuer) is my good friend/fellow lifeguard and all around "guy you want with you when all goes south." This is not the first time he has been in the thick of saving a life in those unforgiving waters.

Link
Quoting 253. sar2401:

Nah, I'm a pretty good shot, although there's a chance I'd get you and wing Beell anyway. :-)

I didn't get my bachelors degree until I was 30. I started back to college when I was 24, so it took a lot of years working full-time. I got into graduate school, and did my first semester until I saw my wife going off to work every day so I could get my master's. At that point, I really thought it was time to be a good husband and father and not worry about the additional education. I wanted to get my PHd and become a psychologist, but I'd be about 90 before I got into practice at the rate I was going. I kind of miss school for the intellectual back and forth, but things like finals and four days worth of exams snaps me back to reality.


You're not 90 yet. Thought about doing it now?
Hope everyone's had a nice Thanksgiving. It was really windy in South Florida on Thursday and Friday of last week. Definitely sind gusts over 40 happened a few times based on the the amount of decently sized tree branches down. A few could have knocked out someone standing below it. It feels like it's been windied than usual down here.
Quoting 268. VirginIslandsVisitor:

Good evening

It's a 77 feeling like 77, cloudy night over here on the island right now.

So if anyone was following me last night, they saw that I was battling mega rain (4.55 inches according to WU), had thunderstorms, lightening, a small earthquake..but ya'll missed the best of it. As the power flickered, I signed off and went looking for my battery-operated fan and light. Got them and settled in for a good read with my latest novel and my glass of wine. One sip, and what the...NOT going there with the gag reflexes...termite wings and wine DON'T mix! ;-)

It was a great night! Hope all is well with everybody.

Lindy


Termite wings in late November? Termites must have a different swarming season in the Caribbean than they do in C FL. My wife and I rented a house for a few years that was infested with drywood termites. They didn’t start swarming until late April, and that was when we’d start seeing the discarded wings all over the place. We would hardly see any evidence of them between the months of October and April. It’s quite disconcerting when you start seeing the wings all over your home, but thankfully the owner agreed to tent the house before we moved out.
hey georgevandenberghe- SeedsOfChange is having a 30%-off sale, all day today. Just use the FLASH30 code at checkout. I have use many of their products and have never been disappointed.

And it doesn't matter how warm it is- if there's not enough time between sunrise and sunset, the tomatoes and cucumbers WILL NOT produce. (trying to make this some-how weather-related)
I'm starting my hurricane shopping early this year.



Quoting 297. ElConando:

Hope everyone's had a nice Thanksgiving. It was really windy in South Florida on Thursday and Friday of last week. Definitely sind gusts over 40 happened a few times based on the the amount of decently sized tree branches down. A few could have knocked out someone standing below it. It feels like it's been windied than usual down here.
Morning Conan..We here too..we had 3 events, 2 tearing branches down. 4th year in a row with tree damage from non thunderstorm systems.
Save yourself the trouble, Gro- I still got some Vienna Sausages and Bacon-flavored Spam I can ship to you!
Quoting 300. Grothar:

I'm starting my hurricane shopping early this year.




greetings Gro..May not be a bad idea..Things will likely be conducive in the MDR and possibly the rest of the basin...The U.S. has been fortune past few years excluding Sandy. They may even double check what needs to be readied in case of a dangerous landfall..Hope your Thanksgiving was a good one.
Quoting 302. aquak9:

Save yourself the trouble, Gro- I still got some Vienna Sausages and Bacon-flavored Spam I can ship to you!


Throw in 20 Cadbury bars and it's a deal.
Quoting 303. hydrus:

greetings Gro..May not be a bad idea..Things will likely be conducive in the MDR and possibly the rest of the basin...The U.S. has been fortune past few years excluding Sandy. They may even double check what needs to be readied in case of a dangerous landfall..Hope your Thanksgiving was a good one.


I would not be surprised if it could be a very active season. Conditions after el ninos vary a great deal. Sometimes the seasons are active and others not so active. What should be of a concern is the above average SST's in the Atlantic next season.
My Thanksgiving was spent with some of my Wife's family who live right on the FL/GA border in a trailer; avid hunters and the food was outstanding........From the collard greens to the mac and cheese, and fresh turkey and chicken, to the country gravy and banana pudding......My Father in law pulled me over to the stove at one point (when I was up for seconds) and he pulled back the aluminum on the pan with the side dish..........Raccoon. Actually not bad and he stated that "country coons" ate better, and tasted better, that city ones.........I had a very small serving with hot sauce (my first time)..Frankly, I will pass on it next year ..................Lol.
Quoting 304. Grothar:



Throw in 20 Cadbury bars and it's a deal.


Do you still have your hoard of Twinkies?



How did that one box of Suzy Q's get in there?

I had decent weather on Thursday and Friday while on the east side of the Houston area. I was able to drive around with the T-Tops off. YES! :) Saturday turned cooler (50's) and wetter (T-Tops locked down in place). Sunday was a good day to watch football. While not as wet or as cool as Saturday, Sunday was best observed while on the couch.
JeffMasters has created a new entry.
Breaking News Winter Storm Delphi is named.
Quoting 298. tampabaymatt:



Termite wings in late November? Termites must have a different swarming season in the Caribbean than they do in C FL. My wife and I rented a house for a few years that was infested with drywood termites. They didn’t start swarming until late April, and that was when we’d start seeing the discarded wings all over the place. We would hardly see any evidence of them between the months of October and April. It’s quite disconcerting when you start seeing the wings all over your home, but thankfully the owner agreed to tent the house before we moved out.


Fortunately here in DC our only termite is the Subterranean termite which needs moisture and ground contact to establish. This species though is very common here. Spring is swarming season for these.
A new Washington Post article about the Climate Change Machine is, while a bit slanted, very informative, and nicely illustrates the links among the various aspects of the problem. Link And the graphic is really fun!