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CEOs Urging Action in 2015 on Global Climate

By: Jeff Masters and Bob Henson 11:24 PM GMT on April 16, 2015

In an open letter released on Thursday evening, 43 chief executive officers from leading global companies called on governments around the world to take bold action at the pivotal UN climate meeting set for later this year. The CEOs are listed in a full-page ad appearing in Friday’s issue of Financial Times (see image below), in conjunction with the spring meetings of the World Bank Group and International Monetary Fund. The signatories to the letter include David Kenny, chairman and CEO of The Weather Company, the umbrella organization that includes Weather Underground. “Climate change is one of the biggest global challenges that will shape the way we do business now and in the coming decades,” the CEOs stated. “We extend an open offer to national governments to meet and co-design tangible actions as well as ambitious, effective targets that are appropriate for their different jurisdictions.”

Looking toward a post-Kyoto climate deal
Representatives from around the world will meet in Paris this December for the 21st UN Conference of Parties (COP21), a product of the 1992 UN Framework Convention on Climate Change that was signed by U.S. President George Bush and the heads of 164 other nations. Delegates in Paris will be working toward a new global agreement on carbon emissions to succeed the Kyoto Protocol, whose initial phase expired in 2012. The CEOs’ open letter outlines their shared vision for a successful climate deal at COP21, as well as their companies’ commitments to reduce their environmental and carbon footprints, serve as climate action ambassadors, manage climate risks, and help strengthen societal resilience to climate change.

The coalition of CEOs is facilitated by the World Economic Forum, the Swiss nonprofit organization that holds a high-profile annual meeting in Davos each year. The 43 companies involved in the coalition represent more than $1.2 trillion in revenue earned in 2014 from operations in more than 150 countries and territories.

“Hastening the shift to a low-carbon economy in an economically sustainable manner will generate growth and jobs in both the developing and developed world. Delaying action is not an option--it will be costly and will damage growth prospects in the years to come,” states the open letter. “The CEO Climate Leaders call on government leaders and policy makers to align on global measures, to be consistent in policy-making and to develop helpful innovation frameworks. A comprehensive, inclusive and ambitious climate deal in Paris on mitigation, adaptation and finance--in combination with a strong set of clear policy signals from the world’s leaders--is key to accelerating this transition. This opportunity should not be missed.”

Weather Underground’s position on climate change
“Based on the evidence, more than 97% of climate scientists have concluded that human-caused climate change is happening. Climate change is already causing significant impacts to people and ecosystems, and these impacts will grow much more severe in the coming years. We can choose to take economically sensible steps to lessen the damage of climate change, and the cost of inaction is much higher than the cost of action.”

See our recent blog posts for more on global climate in 2014--the warmest year on record--and what the next few years may bring.

Jeff Masters and Bob Henson


Climate Change Politics

The views of the author are his/her own and do not necessarily represent the position of The Weather Company or its parent, IBM.

Reader Comments

Thanks Doc!.Have they announced what storm names have been retired?
Good write up .. Thanks !!
“Hastening the shift to a low-carbon economy in an economically sustainable manner will generate growth and jobs in both the developing and developed world."

This is exactly right, no one is advocating for immediate cessation of fossil fuel use. The transition to green, low carbon, sustainable energy production will be an economic boon for everyone. It's time to get on board with the future, fossil fuels are finite and causing harm to the planet.
TORNADO WARNING
OKC129-170030-
/O.NEW.KOUN.TO.W.0005.150416T2348Z-150417T0030Z/

BULLETIN - EAS ACTIVATION REQUESTED
TORNADO WARNING
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NORMAN OK
648 PM CDT THU APR 16 2015

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN NORMAN HAS ISSUED A

* TORNADO WARNING FOR...
WEST CENTRAL ROGER MILLS COUNTY IN WESTERN OKLAHOMA..
.

* UNTIL 730 PM CDT

* AT 647 PM CDT...A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM CAPABLE OF PRODUCING A
TORNADO WAS LOCATED 4 MILES EAST OF ALLISON...MOVING NORTHEAST AT
20 MPH.

HAZARD...TORNADO AND GOLF BALL SIZE HAIL.

SOURCE...RADAR INDICATED ROTATION.

IMPACT...FLYING DEBRIS WILL BE DANGEROUS TO THOSE CAUGHT WITHOUT
SHELTER. MOBILE HOMES WILL BE DAMAGED OR DESTROYED.
DAMAGE TO ROOFS...WINDOWS AND VEHICLES WILL OCCUR. TREE
DAMAGE IS LIKELY.

* LOCATIONS IMPACTED INCLUDE...
REYDON.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

TAKE COVER NOW! MOVE TO A STORM SHELTER... SAFE ROOM OR AN INTERIOR
ROOM ON THE LOWEST FLOOR OF A STURDY BUILDING. AVOID WINDOWS. IF IN A
MOBILE HOME...A VEHICLE OR OUTDOORS...MOVE TO THE CLOSEST SUBSTANTIAL
SHELTER AND PROTECT YOURSELF FROM FLYING DEBRIS.
TORNADO WARNING
TXC179-483-170015-
/O.NEW.KAMA.TO.W.0013.150416T2330Z-150417T0015Z/

BULLETIN - EAS ACTIVATION REQUESTED
TORNADO WARNING
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE AMARILLO TX
630 PM CDT THU APR 16 2015

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN AMARILLO HAS ISSUED A

* TORNADO WARNING FOR...
EAST CENTRAL GRAY COUNTY IN THE PANHANDLE OF TEXAS...
WEST CENTRAL WHEELER COUNTY IN THE PANHANDLE OF TEXAS...


* UNTIL 715 PM CDT

* AT 629 PM CDT...A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM CAPABLE OF PRODUCING A
TORNADO WAS LOCATED NEAR KELLERVILLE...AND MOVING EAST AT 15 MPH.

HAZARD...TORNADO AND GOLF BALL SIZE HAIL.

SOURCE...RADAR INDICATED ROTATION.

IMPACT...FLYING DEBRIS WILL BE DANGEROUS TO THOSE CAUGHT WITHOUT
SHELTER. MOBILE HOMES WILL BE DAMAGED OR DESTROYED. DAMAGE
TO ROOFS...WINDOWS AND VEHICLES WILL OCCUR. TREE DAMAGE IS
LIKELY.

* LOCATIONS IMPACTED INCLUDE...
KELLERVILLE...

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

TAKE COVER NOW. MOVE TO AN INTERIOR ROOM ON THE LOWEST FLOOR OF A
STURDY BUILDING. AVOID WINDOWS. IF IN A MOBILE HOME...A VEHICLE OR
OUTDOORS...MOVE TO THE CLOSEST SUBSTANTIAL SHELTER AND PROTECT
YOURSELF FROM FLYING DEBRIS.

SEL4

URGENT - IMMEDIATE BROADCAST REQUESTED
TORNADO WATCH NUMBER 64
NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
605 PM CDT THU APR 16 2015

THE NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER HAS ISSUED A

* TORNADO WATCH FOR PORTIONS OF
FAR WESTERN OKLAHOMA

* EFFECTIVE THIS THURSDAY NIGHT FROM 605 PM UNTIL MIDNIGHT CDT.

* PRIMARY THREATS INCLUDE...
A COUPLE TORNADOES POSSIBLE
SCATTERED LARGE HAIL AND ISOLATED VERY LARGE HAIL EVENTS TO 2
INCHES IN DIAMETER POSSIBLE
ISOLATED DAMAGING WIND GUSTS TO 70 MPH POSSIBLE

SUMMARY...BROKEN BAND OF THUNDERSTORMS WITH EMBEDDED SUPERCELLS NOW
OVER THE EASTERN TEXAS PANHANDLE MAY MOVE/DEVELOP EASTWARD INTO FAR
WESTERN OKLAHOMA...WITH AN ATTENDANT THREAT FOR TORNADOES AND SEVERE
HAIL / LOCALLY DAMAGING WIND.

THE TORNADO WATCH AREA IS APPROXIMATELY ALONG AND 25 STATUTE
MILES EAST AND WEST OF A LINE FROM 5 MILES NORTH OF GAGE OKLAHOMA
TO 100 MILES SOUTH OF GAGE OKLAHOMA. FOR A COMPLETE DEPICTION OF
THE WATCH SEE THE ASSOCIATED WATCH OUTLINE UPDATE (WOUS64 KWNS
WOU4).

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

REMEMBER...A TORNADO WATCH MEANS CONDITIONS ARE FAVORABLE FOR
TORNADOES AND SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS IN AND CLOSE TO THE WATCH
AREA. PERSONS IN THESE AREAS SHOULD BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR
THREATENING WEATHER CONDITIONS AND LISTEN FOR LATER STATEMENTS
AND POSSIBLE WARNINGS.
Quoting 6. LAbonbon:

TORNADO WARNING
TXC179-483-170015-
/O.NEW.KAMA.TO.W.0013.150416T2330Z-150417T0015Z/

BULLETIN - EAS ACTIVATION REQUESTED
TORNADO WARNING
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE AMARILLO TX
630 PM CDT THU APR 16 2015

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN AMARILLO HAS ISSUED A

* TORNADO WARNING FOR...
EAST CENTRAL GRAY COUNTY IN THE PANHANDLE OF TEXAS...
WEST CENTRAL WHEELER COUNTY IN THE PANHANDLE OF TEXAS...


* UNTIL 715 PM CDT

* AT 629 PM CDT...A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM CAPABLE OF PRODUCING A
TORNADO WAS LOCATED NEAR KELLERVILLE...AND MOVING EAST AT 15 MPH.

HAZARD...TORNADO AND GOLF BALL SIZE HAIL.

SOURCE...RADAR INDICATED ROTATION.

IMPACT...FLYING DEBRIS WILL BE DANGEROUS TO THOSE CAUGHT WITHOUT
SHELTER. MOBILE HOMES WILL BE DAMAGED OR DESTROYED. DAMAGE
TO ROOFS...WINDOWS AND VEHICLES WILL OCCUR. TREE DAMAGE IS
LIKELY.

* LOCATIONS IMPACTED INCLUDE...
KELLERVILLE...

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

TAKE COVER NOW. MOVE TO AN INTERIOR ROOM ON THE LOWEST FLOOR OF A
STURDY BUILDING. AVOID WINDOWS. IF IN A MOBILE HOME...A VEHICLE OR
OUTDOORS...MOVE TO THE CLOSEST SUBSTANTIAL SHELTER AND PROTECT
YOURSELF FROM FLYING DEBRIS.




Earlier it had very strong rotation on dual-pol near Kellerville with a tornado sighted east of town. It's looking like some dust is getting kicked up if you look at the CC.
Quoting 4. Naga5000:The transition to green, low carbon, sustainable energy production will be an economic boon for everyone.

It'd be a bit like the economic stimulus of a war effort, without the economic, social, & environmental damage of actually going to war...
Quoting 1. washingtonian115:

Thanks Doc!.Have they announced what storm names have been retired?



I've been watching for it most of the day. Still nothing.
Quoting 1. washingtonian115:

Thanks Doc!.Have they announced what storm names have been retired?

Tommorow they will.
Quoting 9. Bern99:


It'd be a bit like the economic stimulus of a war effort, without the economic, social, & environmental damage of actually going to war...


I always liked Keynes example:

"If the Treasury were to fill old bottles with banknotes, bury them at suitable depths in disused coalmines which are then filled up to the surface with town rubbish, and leave it to private enterprise on well-tried principles of laissez-faire to dig the notes up again (the right to do so being obtained, of course, by tendering for leases of the note-bearing territory), there need be no more unemployment and, with the help of the repercussions, the real income of the community, and its capital wealth also, would probably become a good deal greater than it actually is. It would, indeed, be more sensible to build houses and the like; but if there are political and practical difficulties in the way of this, the above would be better than nothing."

:)
Well-defined supercell in the Texas Panhandle:



Thunderstorm heading to my location now.
Quoting 3. LargoFl:




Help me out please ...what is an ISODRYT? TIA
Quoting 15. txjac:



Help me out please ...what is an ISODRYT? TIA

Isolated Dry Thunderstorms.
Atmospheric CO2 March 2015

401.52

co2now.org

CO2 Data Set:
Original CO2 data files dated: April 4 & 6 2015 (Scripps & NOAA)


Measuring Location:

Mauna Loa Observatory, Hawaii


Why is CO2 significant?

Carbon dioxide (CO2) is the chief greenhouse gas that results from human activities and causes global warming and climate change. To see whether enough is being done at the moment to solve these global problems, there is no single indicator as complete and current as the monthly updates for atmospheric CO2 from the Mauna Loa Observatory.


What is the current trend?

The concentrations of CO2 in the atmosphere are increasing at an accelerating rate from decade to decade. The latest atmospheric CO2 data is consistent with a continuation of this long-standing trend.


What level is safe?

The upper safety limit for atmospheric CO2 is 350 parts per million (ppm). Atmospheric CO2 levels have stayed higher than 350 ppm since early 1988.
Quoting 16. 69044NE:


Isolated Dry Thunderstorms.


Okay, I got that from reading the description. I was hoping that someone could tell me what a dry thunderstorm is ...in layman's terms. I guess its a thunderstorm with no rain associated with it?

In hindsight (20/20) I realize I should have asked my question differently
Quoting 15. txjac:



Help me out please ...what is an ISODRYT? TIA

Isolated dry thunderstorms.

Quoting 18. txjac:



Okay, I got that from reading the description. I was hoping that someone could tell me what a dry thunderstorm is ...in layman's terms. I guess its a thunderstorm with no rain associated with it?

Yep. Thunder/lightning but precipitation evaporates before reaching the ground (virga).
Quoting 19. TropicalAnalystwx13:


Isolated dry thunderstorms.


Yep. Thunder/lightning but precipitation evaporates before reaching the ground (virga).


Thanks much 69044NE and TA13
Link
My forecast for the severe weather. Please Grade.
Quoting 19. TropicalAnalystwx13:


Isolated dry thunderstorms.


Yep. Thunder/lightning but precipitation evaporates before reaching the ground (virga).


Okay now ...going to sit on the patio and enjoy my "wet" thunderstorm ...second one of the day

Edit: Very short lived. I'm gonna tempt Mother Nature and take the dogs for a walk.
TORNADO WARNING
KSC075-170115-
/O.NEW.KDDC.TO.W.0010.150417T0044Z-150417T0115Z/

BULLETIN - EAS ACTIVATION REQUESTED
TORNADO WARNING
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DODGE CITY KS
644 PM MDT THU APR 16 2015

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN DODGE CITY HAS ISSUED A

* TORNADO WARNING FOR...
NORTHEASTERN HAMILTON COUNTY IN SOUTHWESTERN KANSAS...

* UNTIL 715 PM MDT

* AT 644 PM MDT...A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM CAPABLE OF PRODUCING A
TORNADO WAS LOCATED 8 MILES NORTH OF SYRACUSE...MOVING NORTHEAST AT
15 MPH.

HAZARD...TORNADO AND QUARTER SIZE HAIL.

SOURCE...RADAR INDICATED ROTATION.

IMPACT...FLYING DEBRIS WILL BE DANGEROUS TO THOSE CAUGHT WITHOUT
SHELTER. MOBILE HOMES WILL BE DAMAGED OR DESTROYED.
DAMAGE TO ROOFS...WINDOWS AND VEHICLES WILL OCCUR. TREE
DAMAGE IS LIKELY.

* THIS TORNADIC THUNDERSTORM WILL REMAIN OVER MAINLY RURAL AREAS OF
NORTHEASTERN HAMILTON COUNTY.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

TAKE COVER NOW! MOVE TO A BASEMENT OR AN INTERIOR ROOM ON THE LOWEST
FLOOR OF A STURDY BUILDING. AVOID WINDOWS. IF IN A MOBILE HOME...A
VEHICLE OR OUTDOORS...MOVE TO THE CLOSEST SUBSTANTIAL SHELTER AND
PROTECT YOURSELF FROM FLYING DEBRIS.
SEVERE WEATHER STATEMENT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NORMAN OK
809 PM CDT THU APR 16 2015

OKC009-170130-
/O.CON.KOUN.TO.W.0006.000000T0000Z-150417T0130Z/
BECKHAM OK-
809 PM CDT THU APR 16 2015

...A TORNADO WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 830 PM CDT FOR CENTRAL
BECKHAM COUNTY.
..

AT 809 PM CDT...A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM CAPABLE OF PRODUCING A TORNADO
WAS LOCATED 5 MILES SOUTHWEST OF SAYRE...MOVING NORTHEAST AT 30 MPH.

HAZARD...TORNADO AND GOLF BALL SIZE HAIL.

SOURCE...RADAR INDICATED ROTATION.

IMPACT...FLYING DEBRIS WILL BE DANGEROUS TO THOSE CAUGHT WITHOUT
SHELTER. MOBILE HOMES WILL BE DAMAGED OR DESTROYED. DAMAGE
TO ROOFS...WINDOWS AND VEHICLES WILL OCCUR. TREE DAMAGE IS
LIKELY.

LOCATIONS IMPACTED INCLUDE...
SAYRE.

LAT...LON 3519 9970 3523 9980 3542 9982 3541 9949
TIME...MOT...LOC 0109Z 206DEG 27KT 3527 9973

TORNADO...RADAR INDICATED
HAIL...1.75IN
Quoting 4. Naga5000:

“Hastening the shift to a low-carbon economy in an economically sustainable manner will generate growth and jobs in both the developing and developed world."

This is exactly right, no one is advocating for immediate cessation of fossil fuel use. The transition to green, low carbon, sustainable energy production will be an economic boon for everyone. It's time to get on board with the future, fossil fuels are finite and causing harm to the planet.

I am thrilled with this. I don't think our govt has the capability due to political divides to get out of their own way. Enterprising individuals will become the new Fords and Vanderbilts of the present day with hopefully more diversity and new products.
The ability to come up with sustainable energy has to start somewhere. We are all children of oil...it's all we know..all we were given. Reinventing the wheel from the ground floor up is going to take time but can happen.
I can't stand waiting...again it's up to individuals to make a difference by demanding more options.
Got a flash flood watch
Sorry I'm off topic but hoping I can get by as I am talking about weather?

Areal Flood Advisory, Flash Flood Watch

Severe Thunderstorm Watch 60 remains in effect until 1000 PM CDT
for the following locations


TX
. Texas counties included are

Aransas Austin Bastrop
Bee Brazoria Brazos
Burleson Caldwell Calhoun
Chambers Colorado DeWitt
Fayette Fort Bend Galveston
Goliad Gonzales Grimes
Guadalupe Harris Houston
Jackson Karnes Lavaca
Lee Liberty Madison
Matagorda Montgomery Polk
Refugio San Jacinto Trinity
Victoria Walker Waller
Washington Wharton Wilson
Quoting 28. txjac:

Got a flash flood watch
Sorry I'm off topic but hoping I can get by as I am talking about weather?

Areal Flood Advisory, Flash Flood Watch

Severe Thunderstorm Watch 60 remains in effect until 1000 PM CDT
for the following locations


TX
. Texas counties included are

Aransas Austin Bastrop
Bee Brazoria Brazos
Burleson Caldwell Calhoun
Chambers Colorado DeWitt
Fayette Fort Bend Galveston
Goliad Gonzales Grimes
Guadalupe Harris Houston
Jackson Karnes Lavaca
Lee Liberty Madison
Matagorda Montgomery Polk
Refugio San Jacinto Trinity
Victoria Walker Waller
Washington Wharton Wilson

How in the world is that off topic? The south central US is a multi-colored menagerie of watches/warnings/advisories. Post away :)
Quoting 25. TropicalAnalystwx13:





Wow. Only 1% of all tornadoes are anticyclonic.
Quoting 21. Andrebrooks:

Link
My forecast for the severe weather. Please Grade.


Good job....Think I am going to do a video about climate change...
Quoting 31. LAbonbon:




Had enough of the rain....
Quoting 29. LAbonbon:


How in the world is that off topic? The south central US is a multi-colored menagerie of watches/warnings/advisories. Post away :)


Because the blog tag is "Climate Change Politics".
And that has been a hot topic
Quoting 33. yoboi:



Had enough of the rain....


I think that there will be a bit more, for me anyway. Scheduled for more rain tomorrow
And it seems like once Houston is done with the rain we send it to LA, let Pat and Bonbon enjoy it, and then its off (what's left of it) to Florida.

We of course, make sure that Sar doesnt get any!
Quoting 19. TropicalAnalystwx13:


Isolated dry thunderstorms.


Yep. Thunder/lightning but precipitation evaporates before reaching the ground (virga).


cause of grass and forest fires in many areas ..
Quoting 33. yoboi:



Had enough of the rain....


ok send it too me then
Quoting 34. txjac:



Because the blog tag is "Climate Change Politics".
And that has been a hot topic

Ah, I understand. I'm sure there will be plenty of 'discussion' on that tomorrow...

But tonight, we've got weather...

Quoting 33. yoboi:



Had enough of the rain....

Agree. I just don't love it as much as some do.
Cody I finally found a significant person without a wikipedia entry.
Interesting weather for me

Tornado watch
Flash flood warning
Flood advisory/flood watch

A few hail reports as well.

Nice sleeping weather with the rain
Maybe work from home tomorrow?
Speaking of off-topic (but historical and very compelling), when I was on the NWS-Dodge City, KS page a little while ago, I saw a link titled '130th Anniversary for Barber County Flood'.

What an incredible page. It contains several extremely detailed news accounts of the devastating flooding of the Elm and Medicine Rivers in April 1885, and the resultant loss of life and property. Very sad, even 130 years later. I truly don't think they write news accounts like this any more. Also, near the bottom of the page there's a poem entitled 'The Flood', which is heart breaking in its own right.
Destroyed by wind shear. :p
SEVERE WEATHER STATEMENT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE GOODLAND KS
750 PM MDT THU APR 16 2015

KSC071-203-170215-
/O.CON.KGLD.TO.W.0007.000000T0000Z-150417T0215Z/
GREELEY KS-WICHITA KS-
750 PM MDT THU APR 16 2015

...A TORNADO WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 815 PM MDT/915 PM CDT/
FOR SOUTHEASTERN GREELEY AND SOUTHWESTERN WICHITA COUNTIES
...

AT 749 PM MDT /849 PM CDT/...A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM CAPABLE OF
PRODUCING A TORNADO WAS LOCATED 11 MILES SOUTHEAST OF TRIBUNE...
MOVING NORTHEAST AT 15 MPH.

HAZARD...TORNADO AND TWO INCH HAIL.

SOURCE...RADAR INDICATED ROTATION.

IMPACT...FLYING DEBRIS WILL BE DANGEROUS TO THOSE CAUGHT WITHOUT
SHELTER. MOBILE HOMES WILL BE DAMAGED OR DESTROYED. DAMAGE
TO ROOFS...WINDOWS AND VEHICLES WILL OCCUR. TREE DAMAGE IS
LIKELY.

THIS TORNADIC THUNDERSTORM WILL REMAIN OVER MAINLY RURAL AREAS OF
SOUTHEASTERN GREELEY AND SOUTHWESTERN WICHITA COUNTIES.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

TAKE COVER NOW! MOVE TO A BASEMENT OR AN INTERIOR ROOM ON THE LOWEST
FLOOR OF A STURDY BUILDING. AVOID WINDOWS. IF YOU ARE OUTDOORS...IN A
MOBILE HOME...OR IN A VEHICLE...MOVE TO THE CLOSEST SUBSTANTIAL
SHELTER AND PROTECT YOURSELF FROM FLYING DEBRIS.

&&

LAT...LON 3841 10168 3841 10149 3829 10156 3829 10168
TIME...MOT...LOC 0149Z 207DEG 13KT 3835 10161

TORNADO...RADAR INDICATED
HAIL...2.00IN
Quoting 39. BaltimoreBrian:

Cody I finally found a significant person without a wikipedia entry.

Was that one of your life goals or something? Lol.
There was a tornado warning for west central Roger Mills County 2 hours ago. I don't think that's a great place to be tonight.

SEVERE WEATHER STATEMENT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NORMAN OK
850 PM CDT THU APR 16 2015

OKC129-170215-
/O.CON.KOUN.TO.W.0007.000000T0000Z-150417T0215Z/
ROGER MILLS OK-
850 PM CDT THU APR 16 2015

...A TORNADO WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 915 PM CDT FOR
SOUTHWESTERN ROGER MILLS COUNTY
...

AT 850 PM CDT...A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM CAPABLE OF PRODUCING A TORNADO
WAS LOCATED 5 MILES NORTH OF SWEETWATER...MOVING NORTHEAST AT 25 MPH.

HAZARD...TORNADO AND PING PONG BALL SIZE HAIL.

SOURCE...WEATHER SPOTTERS REPORTED A FUNNEL CLOUD.

IMPACT...FLYING DEBRIS WILL BE DANGEROUS TO THOSE CAUGHT WITHOUT
SHELTER. MOBILE HOMES WILL BE DAMAGED OR DESTROYED. DAMAGE
TO ROOFS...WINDOWS AND VEHICLES WILL OCCUR. TREE DAMAGE IS
LIKELY.

LOCATIONS IMPACTED INCLUDE...
DEMPSEY.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

TORNADOES ARE EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO SEE AND CONFIRM AT NIGHT. DO NOT
WAIT TO SEE OR HEAR THE TORNADO. TAKE COVER NOW.

&&

LAT...LON 3564 9987 3561 9980 3548 9980 3542 9997
3542 10000 3554 10000
TIME...MOT...LOC 0150Z 234DEG 22KT 3549 9994

TORNADO...RADAR INDICATED
HAIL...1.50IN
Quoting yoboi:


Good job....Think I am going to do a video about climate change...
Let me know when you do,

Quoting 18. txjac:



Okay, I got that from reading the description. I was hoping that someone could tell me what a dry thunderstorm is ...in layman's terms. I guess its a thunderstorm with no rain associated with it?

In hindsight (20/20) I realize I should have asked my question differently
Hi txjac,

Dry thunderstorms are a regular summer feature in my region, the high desert of Central Oregon. Last summer we had one night with 1,200 lightening strikes and no rain hitting the ground. The most common cause of wild land fires in this region is isolated dry thunderstorms. Thus, they are worth paying attention to.

An associated meteorological phenomenon, along with dry lightening, is virga, which is rain falling from a cloud and often observable from the surface where the rain is evaporated or sublimated before reaching the ground.

SEL5

URGENT - IMMEDIATE BROADCAST REQUESTED
TORNADO WATCH NUMBER 65
NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
830 PM CDT THU APR 16 2015

THE NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER HAS ISSUED A

* TORNADO WATCH FOR PORTIONS OF
SOUTHEAST TEXAS
COASTAL WATERS

* EFFECTIVE THIS THURSDAY NIGHT FROM 830 PM UNTIL MIDNIGHT CDT.

* PRIMARY THREATS INCLUDE...
A COUPLE TORNADOES POSSIBLE
ISOLATED VERY LARGE HAIL EVENTS TO 2 INCHES IN DIAMETER POSSIBLE
ISOLATED DAMAGING WIND GUSTS TO 70 MPH POSSIBLE

SUMMARY...SCATTERED SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS WITH A RISK FOR A COUPLE
TORNADOES...LARGE HAIL...AND LOCALLY DAMAGING WIND EXPECTED TO
PERSIST OVER PARTS OF SOUTHEAST TEXAS THROUGH EARLY FRIDAY.

THE TORNADO WATCH AREA IS APPROXIMATELY ALONG AND 45 STATUTE
MILES NORTH AND SOUTH OF A LINE FROM 75 MILES WEST NORTHWEST OF
ANGLETON TEXAS TO 10 MILES NORTHEAST OF PORT ARTHUR TEXAS. FOR A
COMPLETE DEPICTION OF THE WATCH SEE THE ASSOCIATED WATCH OUTLINE
UPDATE (WOUS64 KWNS WOU5).

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

REMEMBER...A TORNADO WATCH MEANS CONDITIONS ARE FAVORABLE FOR
TORNADOES AND SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS IN AND CLOSE TO THE WATCH
AREA. PERSONS IN THESE AREAS SHOULD BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR
THREATENING WEATHER CONDITIONS AND LISTEN FOR LATER STATEMENTS
AND POSSIBLE WARNINGS.

&&

OTHER WATCH INFORMATION...THIS TORNADO WATCH REPLACES SEVERE
THUNDERSTORM WATCH NUMBER 60. WATCH NUMBER 60 WILL NOT BE IN
EFFECT AFTER 830 PM CDT. CONTINUE...WW 59...WW 61...WW 62...WW
63...WW 64...

AVIATION...TORNADOES AND A FEW SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS WITH HAIL
SURFACE AND ALOFT TO 2 INCHES. EXTREME TURBULENCE AND SURFACE
WIND GUSTS TO 60 KNOTS. A FEW CUMULONIMBI WITH MAXIMUM TOPS TO
550. MEAN STORM MOTION VECTOR 25025.


...CORFIDI
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
Was that one of your life goals or something? Lol.

You can make the entry if you want to.

MESOSCALE DISCUSSION 0327
NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
0856 PM CDT THU APR 16 2015

AREAS AFFECTED...A SMALL PART OF THE FAR ERN TX PANHANDLE AND FAR
WRN OK

CONCERNING...TORNADO WATCH 59...64...

VALID 170156Z - 170330Z

THE SEVERE WEATHER THREAT FOR TORNADO WATCH 59...64...CONTINUES.

SUMMARY...THE RISK FOR SVR TSTMS INCLUDING TORNADOES CONTINUES
ACROSS REMAINING VALID PORTIONS OF TORNADO WATCHES 59 AND 64.

DISCUSSION...RADAR LOOPS INDICATE ONGOING INTENSE CONVECTIVE
CLUSTERS FROM WHEELER COUNTY TX INTO ROGER MILLS COUNTY OK...WITH
LEADING DISCRETE CONVECTION WEAKENING IN FAR NRN BECKHAM COUNTY.
SUPERCELL STRUCTURES EMBEDDED WITHIN THE CONVECTIVE CLUSTERS WILL
CONTINUE TO LOCALLY ENHANCE THE TORNADO RISK.
..THOUGH THIS ACTIVITY
IS TAKING ON MORE QUASI-LINEAR CHARACTERISTICS WITH TIME OWING TO
ANTECEDENT NUMEROUS CELL INTERACTIONS. DMGG WIND GUSTS AND SVR HAIL
ARE BECOMING PREDOMINANT RISKS
. NEVERTHELESS...THE NOCTURNALLY
DECREASING SFC TEMP-DEWPOINT SPREADS AND LOWERING LCLS...AND MARKED
DIRECTIONAL SHEAR IN A VERTICALLY VEERING WIND PROFILE SAMPLED BY
THE FDR VWP...SUGGEST THAT SOME TORNADO POTENTIAL REMAINS. AND
SIMILAR TORNADO POTENTIAL WILL CONTINUE DURING THE NEXT FEW HOURS AS
THE LLJ STRENGTHENS...THOUGH NOCTURNALLY GROWING PBL STATIC
STABILITY MAY EVENTUALLY MITIGATE THE OVERALL SVR-TSTM/TORNADO RISK
LATER IN THE NIGHT. IN THE MEANTIME...SVR STORMS WILL CONTINUE TO
SLOWLY ADVANCE EWD/ENEWD ACROSS THE FAR E-CNTRL TX PANHANDLE INTO
FAR W-CNTRL OK. LOCAL TEMPORAL EXTENSION OF TORNADO WATCH 59 MAY BE
NECESSARY IN THE FAR ERN TX PANHANDLE IF CONVECTIVE BACKBUILDING
WERE TO BECOME A CONCERN.

..COHEN.. 04/17/2015


ATTN...WFO...OUN...AMA...
Quoting 41. LAbonbon:

Speaking of off-topic (but historical and very compelling), when I was on the NWS-Dodge City, KS page a little while ago, I saw a link titled '130th Anniversary for Barber County Flood'.

What an incredible page. It contains several extremely detailed news accounts of the devastating flooding of the Elm and Medicine Rivers in April 1885, and the resultant loss of life and property. Very sad, even 130 years later. I truly don't think they write news accounts like this any more. Also, near the bottom of the page there's a poem entitled 'The Flood', which is heart breaking in its own right.


Happy that you stumbled across this. Very enjoyable reading. And I agree, news accounts arent written like this anymore. Thanks for sharing
Any signs of the NAO turning negative???? Could help to warm N. Atlantic sst's.
Quoting 50. BaltimoreBrian:



You can make the entry if you want to.

Nah, I focus mainly on improving preexisting articles instead of creating them. :)
Quoting 32. yoboi:

....Think I am going to do a video about climate change...



There's not a man, woman, or child alive, I'm sure, who is not on the virtual edge of their proverbial seat. As it were.
Or whatever.
Strong squall line in the Buenos Aires:
(NOAA)


Radar:


Source of Radar: Metsul Meteorologia (Brazil)
And now in Colorado...

SEVERE WEATHER STATEMENT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE PUEBLO CO
835 PM MDT THU APR 16 2015

COC061-099-170300-
/O.CON.KPUB.TO.W.0001.000000T0000Z-150417T0300Z/
KIOWA CO-PROWERS CO-
835 PM MDT THU APR 16 2015

...A TORNADO WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 900 PM MDT FOR
SOUTHEASTERN KIOWA AND NORTHEASTERN PROWERS COUNTIES
...

AT 835 PM MDT...A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM CAPABLE OF PRODUCING A TORNADO
WAS LOCATED OVER HOLLY...OR NEAR COOLIDGE...MOVING NORTHEAST AT 15
MPH.

HAZARD...TORNADO AND QUARTER SIZE HAIL.

SOURCE...RADAR INDICATED ROTATION.

IMPACT...FLYING DEBRIS WILL BE DANGEROUS TO THOSE CAUGHT WITHOUT
SHELTER. MOBILE HOMES WILL BE DAMAGED OR DESTROYED. DAMAGE
TO ROOFS...WINDOWS AND VEHICLES WILL OCCUR. TREE DAMAGE IS
LIKELY.

LOCATIONS IMPACTED INCLUDE...
HOLLY.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

TAKE COVER NOW! MOVE TO A BASEMENT OR AN INTERIOR ROOM ON THE LOWEST
FLOOR OF A STURDY BUILDING. AVOID WINDOWS. IF YOU ARE OUTDOORS...IN A
MOBILE HOME...OR IN A VEHICLE...MOVE TO THE CLOSEST SUBSTANTIAL
SHELTER AND PROTECT YOURSELF FROM FLYING DEBRIS.

&&

LAT...LON 3799 10216 3805 10221 3832 10205 3799 10204
TIME...MOT...LOC 0235Z 226DEG 13KT 3806 10213

TORNADO...RADAR INDICATED
HAIL...1.00IN
Area forecast discussion
National Weather Service Houston/Galveston Texas
953 PM CDT Thursday Apr 16 2015

Update...
very busy evening as advertised. Categorical probability of precipitation in order through
middle night area wide...outside of the coast/southwestern counties behind
main area of convection. Latest mesoscale analysis indicates
primary/effective warm front established roughly along and just
south of I-10 with abundant moisture /surface dewpoints in the
lower 70s/ in place across the warm sector. Storm Prediction Center has Tornado Watch
in effect as activity near and south of this front ingests
moderately unstable and weakly capped warm sector air. This will
increase the potential for spin ups until the warm sector itself
begins to cap off later tonight. Impressive feed of moisture will
sustain threat of heavy rain with any activity area wide.
Currently flash Flood Advisory is confined to the warm sector where most abundant
feed of moisture should confine the most intense rainfall rates.
However flooding remains a concern area wide given the evening
rainfall across some northern areas. Thus...feel flash Flood Advisory is warranted
across the County Warning Area through the day tomorrow and will expand. With
another possible late day/evening mesoscale convective system...flash Flood Advisory may need to be
extended in later forecasts through the night Friday/Saturday
morning.

I'm south of I-10 and I can verify that the rainfall is heavy. For the day I am sitting at 2" and forcast for another 1.6" tomorrow. The rain gods have been very good to us. Wish that we could send it to Cali though ...we can spare it now
59. JRRP
Quoting tiggerhurricanes2001:
Any signs of the NAO turning negative???? Could help to warm N. Atlantic sst's.

yeah
https://youtu.be/fZTTI_0mHN0  just sayin           
Texas lightning - lookout Houston!
Link
We are seeing some serious lightning coming up from my SouthEast, Blue white to green.



Quoting 61. flsky:

Texas lightning - lookout Houston!
Link

Yep, we've already had quite bit.
BB,

Regarding the Arcic unraveling link from the NAS booklet. A readers digest version in plain english is here:

arctic-unraveling-due-global-warming-and-conseque nces-will-be-global

Scary stuff...

BTW - Back in the heat... I hate it... WIsh I was back in the Arctic...
Quoting Dakster:
BB,

Regarding the Arcic unraveling link from the NAS booklet. A readers digest version in plain english is here:

arctic-unraveling-due-global-warming-and-conseque nces-will-be-global

Scary stuff...

BTW - Back in the heat... I hate it... WIsh I was back in the Arctic...


Thanks Dakster. I got the link for the booklet from the Wahsington Post story. I usually try to link to the original source. Does your Alaska house have A/C? Have you ever needed it?
“ Only mad men and economists believe a ever expanding world lives on a finite planet. “

Between 2011 and 2013 China poured more concrete than the US used in the entire 20th century
Quoting 32. yoboi:



Good job....Think I am going to do a video about climate change...


Would this video be checked against mainstream climate science for accuracy, or would it just be the opinion of some guy on the internet? Would you run the contents of the video by people on here to see if they deem it to be in line with mainstream climate science?
Quoting 71. bb629:

The more I hear about "GLOBAL WARMING" the less I care. I don't feel like I'm the only one either. It's just another one of those issues/topics that get crammed in your face so much. It just turns into back ground noise in daily life. blah blah blah blah. thanks for the soap box, plz don't h8.


There is a buffer of time between when we as a society start to hear about global warming and when the effects become quite serious. Human psychology, at least in many cases, is not well-adapted for dealing with effects that are decades away. Maybe that's why most people who smoke cigarettes started smoking before age 20, but if they get cancer from it, it's usually decades later. I'm sure that warnings about the effects of smoking to many smokers is "just another one of those issues/topics that get crammed in your face so much". That doesn't change the effects of smoking though. Some smokers take appropriate action based on warnings about the possible effects of smoking. Of course, a problem with global warming is that one person doesn't usually make much difference, so one can become discouraged, or even turn to denial. With smoking, a person can often do a lot to at least affect their own health.
Quoting 73. Jayzel1968:

The sky is falling! The sky is falling!


It's better to heed the warnings, if they are based on mainstream science, and on overwhelming evidence, before the consequences become much more serious.
Nothing to see here. Kindly move along. Thanks.
Quoting bobl54:
why is the weather undergrounds' one or two bloggers post, showing on my weather page in the same place as watches and warning. Why are you pushing your politcal agenda on me. If I wanted to read your opinion I would go to your blog. Please refrain from putting this on MY page. Please send my instructions on how to remove this and block it in the future. I didn't ask for this.
Quoting 74. bobl54:

why is the weather undergrounds' one or two bloggers post, showing on my weather page in the same place as watches and warning. Why are you pushing your politcal agenda on me. If I wanted to read your opinion I would go to your blog. Please refrain from putting this on MY page. Please send my instructions on how to remove this and block it in the future. I didn't ask for this.


Link



feel free to ask if there will be an option to not show "non-severe notice" and blog updates alerts.
Buckle your chin straps. Kids. Hell is coming to breakfast


Love - Forever Changes (Full Album)

Link

THIS HAZARDOUS WEATHER OUTLOOK IS FOR PORTIONS OF NORTH AND CENTRAL GEORGIA.

.DAY ONE...TODAY AND TONIGHT...

...ISOLATED TO SCATTERED THUNDERSTORMS POSSIBLE OVER PORTIONS OF
NORTH AND CENTRAL GEORGIA THIS AFTERNOON AND EVENING...

WEATHER HAZARDS EXPECTED...
FREQUENT LIGHTNING...GUSTY WINDS AND LOCALLY HEAVY RAIN ARE
POSSIBLE WITH ANY THUNDERSTORM. SEVERE STORMS ARE NOT EXPECTED.

DISCUSSION...
A SERIES OF UPPER DISTURBANCES WILL SPREAD SHOWERS WITH A FEW
EMBEDDED THUNDERSTORMS ACROSS THE AREA TODAY... WITH MAINLY
SHOWERS EXPECTED OVERNIGHT. RAINFALL AMOUNTS FROM 1/4 TO 1
INCH... WITH LOCALLY HIGHER AMOUNTS... CAN BE EXPECTED THROUGH
TONIGHT. ANY TRAINING OF SHOWERS OR THUNDERSTORMS ACROSS THE SAME
AREAS WILL RESULT IN BRIEF PONDING OF WATER ON ROADS AND PUSH
SMALL STREAMS AND CREEKS TO BANKFULL LEVELS.
Quoting 4. Naga5000:

“Hastening the shift to a low-carbon economy in an economically sustainable manner will generate growth and jobs in both the developing and developed world."

This is exactly right, no one is advocating for immediate cessation of fossil fuel use. The transition to green, low carbon, sustainable energy production will be an economic boon for everyone. It's time to get on board with the future, fossil fuels are finite and causing harm to the planet.

What's really sad is the United States could have been the world leader in the technologies needed to address climate change and reaped more of the benefits of of that economic boom. Instead we have a bunch of obstructionists who want to live in the past. A lot of lost opportunity there.
Quoting 71. bb629:

The more I hear about "GLOBAL WARMING" the less I care. I don't feel like I'm the only one either. It's just another one of those issues/topics that get crammed in your face so much. It just turns into back ground noise in daily life. blah blah blah blah. thanks for the soap box, plz don't h8.

Only difference will be the confrontation, when it's your turn, will suprise you. Don't come crying here.
I would like to know how many of the companies listed will profit from all this, I bet u if u looked into it u will find every one of them will!
Good morning WU!

Looks like it's going to be one of those blog days that's filled with rude first-time posters, folks that don't bother to read the blog post yet comment anyway, and people throwing unsubstantiated accusations around.

A little civility goes a looong way...
Scientific organizations endorsing the consensus

The following scientific organizations endorse the consensus position that "most of the global warming in recent decades can be attributed to human activities":

American Association for the Advancement of Science
American Astronomical Society
American Chemical Society
American Geophysical Union
American Institute of Physics
American Meteorological Society
American Physical Society
Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
Australian Bureau of Meteorology and the CSIRO
British Antarctic Survey
Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric Sciences
Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
Environmental Protection Agency
European Federation of Geologists
European Geosciences Union
European Physical Society
Federation of American Scientists
Federation of Australian Scientific and Technological Societies
Geological Society of America
Geological Society of Australia
Geological Society of London
International Union for Quaternary Research (INQUA)
International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics
National Center for Atmospheric Research
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration
Royal Meteorological Society
Royal Society of the UK

The Academies of Science from 80 different countries all endorse the consensus:


(Source)
Good morning Bon, Scott, SFC5, etc. I won't be on much today due to a busy day at the office. Have a great Friday everyone. I picked up 0.24" yesterday. I wish it had been more, but I'll take it.
For Tropical Island, a Brief Storm Surge Fuels Big Water Problem

Storm surge thrown onshore by tropical systems can kill, destroy property and reshape coastlines.

Here’s another negative for the list: Depending on the makeup of the soil and local infrastructure, it can also contaminate water deep in the ground.

The people on the Philippine island of Samar are learning this the hard way 17 months after waves of seawater thrown onto the island by Typhoon Haiyan fouled groundwater with salt and bacteria, according to a paper published this week in Geophysical Research Letters, a journal of the American Geophysical Union.


Link


This animated GIF shows landmark moments that happened during the warmest and coldest years in modern record.

Credit

NASA's Global Climate Change website
Quoting 92. Husker0826:

So in the '70's there was going to be an ice age? And now, most of those CEOs stand to gain substantially by any legislation that addresses 'climate change'. 'Global Warming' or 'Climate Change' is merely a pawn in the redistribution of wealth. Most of these companies could change their policies to address what they call, 'Climate Change' but they want their competition in those industries to be forced to do the same. These CEOs are merely using the UN to promote and enforce their agendas on the world economy as a whole. Consumers and the market should be able to drive that direction, unless of course you like cheaply made products from India and China. It is most of these CEOs companies who are polluting the world with their industrial facilities in third world countries with little or no environmental controls.


Perhaps we should all sit around the living room and argue about whether the flood waters are rising until we drown?
Not implying anything ;)... but 7 out of the last 25 posts are anti climate change and are by 1st time posters... JFV??? Lot of handles anyway!

Edit: And they've been collecting handles for almost 10 years.
Quoting 95. ChillinInTheKeys:

Not implying anything ;)... but 7 out of the last 25 anti climate change post are by 1st time posters... JFV??? Lot of handles anyway!

Quoting 81. riverat544:


You didn't read the posting did you? It's right there in the reproduction of the ad.
I was about to say, "At least the 43 'idiots' can read and write..."
Quoting 86. LAbonbon:

Good morning WU!

Looks like it's going to be one of those blog days that's filled with rude first-time posters, folks that don't bother to read the blog post yet comment anyway, and people throwing unsubstantiated accusations around.

A little civility goes a looong way...
This looks like the same person posting under different handles ... just sayin' ...
Quoting 95. ChillinInTheKeys:

Not implying anything ;)... but 7 out of the last 25 posts are anti climate change and are by 1st time posters... JFV??? Lot of handles anyway!

Edit: And they've been collecting handles for almost 10 years.

Climate revisionists. They need to be moderated out consistently asap. Not doing this makes the good blogs like this one the singly best vehicles for the paid merchants of doubt. Now they may holler 'free speech' (but they would be the first to abolish it when in power, like AUS PM Tony Abbott killed the Climate Commission and just gave 4 million to climate revisionist Bjørn Lomborg) or 'censorship' but cutting out lies from a good blog discussion is of course just cleaning the trolls away.
I think even the naysayers have got the point: if the money makers of the world are jumping on the global warming bandwagon, there must be something in it. Maybe they've examined the situation and realized that ignoring GW will cost them money.

This is certainly a major turnaround from 10, even 5 years ago ...
This got me thinking about the position of major oil & gas companies on climate change:

From Gazprom Export, the world's largest exporter of natural gas:

"Protecting the environment and countering the adverse global climate change has become our company’s objective."

From PetroChina:

"Climate change is a major global issue that has attracted the attention of the international community. As a socially responsible energy enterprise, PetroChina has put green development at a strategic level and placed a high premium on controlling and reducing GHG emissions to slow down climate change by taking active measures to reduce and sequestrate carbon."

From ExxonMobil:

"Keeping in mind the central importance of energy to economies of the world, ExxonMobil believes that it is prudent to develop and implement strategies that address the risks to society associated with increasing GHG emissions."

and

"There is growing recognition that addressing the risk of climate change will require significant efforts by both the developed and the developing world."

From BP:

"BP believes that climate change is an important long-term issue that justifies global action."

and

"BP believes that the scale of the climate challenge is such that governments must act by setting a clear, stable and effective carbon policy framework if energy companies are to limit GHGs while providing energy competitively."

From Petrobras:

"Several studies indicate that increased greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions associated to the energy and transport sectors is a consequence of the surging consumption of energy, especially coming from fossil fuels. Therefore, we are committed to understand the impact our activity has on climatic conditions and to deploying measures to mitigate them."

From Shell:

"Population growth and economic development are driving up energy demand. All energy sources will be needed, with fossil fuels meeting the bulk of demand. At the same time CO2 emissions must be reduced to avoid serious climate change. To manage CO2, governments and industry must work together. Government action is needed and we support an international framework that puts a price on CO2, encouraging the use of all CO2-reducing technologies. Shell is taking action across four areas to help secure a sustainable energy future : natural gas, biofuels, carbon capture and storage, and energy efficiency."

From Chevron:

"Chevron shares the concerns of governments and the public about climate change risks and recognizes that the use of fossil fuels to meet the world’s energy needs is a contributor to rising greenhouse gases (GHGs) in the earth’s atmosphere. We believe that taking prudent, practical and cost effective action to address climate change risks is the right thing to do. Mitigation of GHG emissions, adaptation to climate change and continuation of scientific and technological research should all be considered."

From ConocoPhillips:

"We recognize that human activity, including the burning of fossil fuels, is contributing to increased concentrations of greenhouse gases (GHG) in the atmosphere that can lead to adverse changes in global climate. While uncertainties remain, we continue to manage GHG emissions in our operations and to integrate climate change-related activities and goals into our business planning."

and

"We believe that effective climate change policy must be aligned with the following principles:

Recognize that climate change is a global issue which requires global solutions – economy-wide governmental GHG management frameworks should be linked to binding international agreements comprising the major GHG contributors...
"
Quoting 101. BahaHurican:

I think even the naysayers have got the point: if the money makers of the world are jumping on the global warming bandwagon, there must be something in it. Maybe they've examined the situation and realized that ignoring GW will cost them money.

This is certainly a major turnaround from 10, even 5 years ago ...


Money is no object to those in power. It's all about control and domination of the human race.
105. yoboi
Quoting 82. riverat544:


What's really sad is the United States could have been the world leader in the technologies needed to address climate change and reaped more of the benefits of of that economic boom. Instead we have a bunch of obstructionists who want to live in the past. A lot of lost opportunity there.


The U.S. did address climate change....we will be shipping coal to china for the next 30 yrs...Think of all the CO2 that will be sent into the atmosphere just with the shipping of it....
Quoting 95. ChillinInTheKeys:

Not implying anything ;)... but 7 out of the last 25 posts are anti climate change and are by 1st time posters... JFV??? Lot of handles anyway!

Edit: And they've been collecting handles for almost 10 years.

Quoting 99. BahaHurican:

This looks like the same person posting under different handles ... just sayin' ...

That could be happening, and/or it's that when people check their WU weather page there's an announcement for this blog:



This has happened before, when people who've been members for a while (but aren't posters), have seen announcements like this on their weather pages.
Possible I guess Bonnie.
Quoting 109. Quintaped:

"Based on the evidence" please provide sources for your evidence.

E.g. this. The one remark will do. Climate revisionist. Cut away.
Quoting tampabaymatt:


Rain blob is slowly getting closer.
Local met just said the next 3 days should be dry here.
Monday and Tuesday are our best chance for rain down here (50% chance those days).

NWS put coastal S.W. Florida in the very low probability area for thunderstorms today.
Quoting 105. yoboi:



The U.S. did address climate change....we will be shipping coal to china for the next 30 yrs...Think of all the CO2 that will be sent into the atmosphere just with the shipping of it....


I didn't realize there was a national coal company. All this time I thought that was private industry. Oh wait...

Also, China's coal imports fell 42% over the past year due to a number of factors including tougher pollution laws. It helps to have facts when making statements so we, the readers, can accurately interpret them.
Quoting 90. tampabaymatt:

Good morning Bon, Scott, SFC5, etc. I won't be on much today due to a busy day at the office. Have a great Friday everyone. I picked up 0.24" yesterday. I wish it had been more, but I'll take it.


.23" here in Longwood. Great to see any amount of rain during April as April is typically the driest month of the year.
Quoting 108. ChillinInTheKeys:

Possible I guess Bonnie.


I didn't realize that there was a link on the home weather page that brought folks here.
Quoting 115. StormTrackerScott:



.23" here in Longwood. Great to see any amount of rain during April as April is typically the driest month of the year.


Got .49 downtown, .4 of it came in the initial storm around 5 PM.
"“Based on the evidence, more than 97% of climate scientists have concluded that human-caused climate change is happening. "

So, 97% of the people whose paycheck is connected to Global warming agree on what is causing global warming?
Why is it I hear every day more scientists coming out claiming your statement on global warming is wrong?
How can you do predictions from data that the researches have admitted was falsified?

I remember in the 70's when the same percentage agreed on global cooling.
And how do you explain no increase in temps in over 10 years?
The rain keeps coming.

435 AM EDT FRI APR 17 2015

THIS HAZARDOUS WEATHER OUTLOOK IS FOR EAST CENTRAL FLORIDA.

.DAY ONE...TODAY AND TONIGHT.


.RIP CURRENT IMPACT...
A NORTHEAST SWELL WILL PRODUCE A MODERATE RISK OF RIP CURRENTS AT
EAST CENTRAL FLORIDA BEACHES TODAY. THE THREAT FOR STRONG RIP
CURRENTS WILL INCREASE AROUND THE TIME OF LOW TIDE IN THE EARLY
EARLY AFTERNOON. ALWAYS SWIM NEAR A LIFE GUARD AND DO NOT SWIM
ALONE.

.THUNDERSTORM IMPACT...
A FRONTAL BOUNDARY TRAILING FROM THE ATLANTIC INTO BREVARD COUNTY
AND THE INTERIOR ALONG WITH THE EAST COAST SEA BREEZE BOUNDARY AND
DAYTIME HEATING WILL PRODUCE SCATTERED TO NUMEROUS SHOWERS AND
LIGHTNING STORMS BY LATE AFTERNOON.
A FEW STORMS MAY BECOME STRONG
LATE IN THE DAY WITH LOCALLY HEAVY RAIN...GUSTY WINDS TO 40 TO 50
MPH...FREQUENT CLOUD TO GROUND LIGHTNING STRIKES. IF STORMS
DEVELOP IN YOUR AREA MOVE INDOORS INTO A STURDY STRUCTURE.

.FLOOD IMPACT...
LOCALIZED HEAVY RAINFALL AMOUNTS TO TWO TO THREE INCHES WITH THE
STRONGEST STORMS LATER TODAY MAY CAUSE MINOR FLOODING OF LOW-LYING
AND POOR DRAINAGE AREAS.


.MARINE THUNDERSTORM GUST IMPACT...
THUNDERSTORMS OVER THE MAINLAND IN THE MID TO LATE AFTERNOON WILL
MOVE TOWARD THE INTRACOASTAL AND NEAR SHORE WATERS BETWEEN PONCE
INLET AND FORT PIERCE INLET IN THE LATE AFTERNOON AND EVENING
HOURS. WIND GUSTS OVER 34 KNOTS MAY ACCOMPANY STRONGER STORMS.

.DAYS TWO THROUGH SEVEN...SATURDAY THROUGH THURSDAY.
THE CHANCE FOR AFTERNOON THUNDERSTORMS WILL REMAIN WELL ABOVE
AVERAGE THROUGH EARLY NEXT WEEK AS UNUSUALLY DEEP MOISTURE
REMAINS IN PLACE OVER EAST CENTRAL FLORIDA. A FEW STRONG STORMS
WILL BE POSSIBLE EACH DAY. A NORTHEAST SWELL WILL KEEP AN ELEVATED RISK
OF RIP CURRENTS AT EAST CENTRAL FLORIDA BEACHES THROUGH THIS
WEEKEND.


.SPOTTER INFORMATION STATEMENT...
SPOTTERS ARE REQUESTED TO MONITOR THE WEATHER AND SELF ACTIVATE
IF NEEDED.
You were right yesterday Scott, We got hammered pretty good with rains and storms here on the space coast yesterday. We needed the rain.
Quoting StormTrackerScott:


.23" here in Longwood. Great to see any amount of rain during April as April is typically the driest month of the year.
Quoting 118. WayneBradish:

"“Based on the evidence, more than 97% of climate scientists have concluded that human-caused climate change is happening. "

So, 97% of the people whose paycheck is connected to Global warming agree on what is causing global warming?
Why is it I hear every day more scientists coming out claiming your statement on global warming is wrong?
How can you do predictions from data that the researches have admitted was falsified?

I remember in the 70's when the same percentage agreed on global cooling.
And how do you explain no increase in temps in over 10 years?

Another one. Thinks we should run around to answer this guy then of course we get abused. Not worth taking to the SkS list of myths. Cut away please.
Quoting 118. WayneBradish:

"“Based on the evidence, more than 97% of climate scientists have concluded that human-caused climate change is happening. "

So, 97% of the people whose paycheck is connected to Global warming agree on what is causing global warming?
Why is it I hear every day more scientists coming out claiming your statement on global warming is wrong?
How can you do predictions from data that the researches have admitted was falsified?

I remember in the 70's when the same percentage agreed on global cooling.
And how do you explain no increase in temps in over 10 years?


Bwahahaha.

"So, 97% of the people whose paycheck is connected to Global warming agree on what is causing global warming?"

Conspiracy Ideation, CHECK.


"Why is it I hear every day more scientists coming out claiming your statement on global warming is wrong?"

Because you probably get your information on climate science from biased sources that reinforce your worldview.


"How can you do predictions from data that the researches have admitted was falsified?"

Accusations without supporting evidence.

"I remember in the 70's when the same percentage agreed on global cooling."

No, you don't, because it never happened.



"And how do you explain no increase in temps in over 10 years?"

Considering last year was the warmest ever and there has been no change in linear trend, I would say you have no idea what you are talking about.




Toodles!



Hey mods, might as well get the hammer out and start whacking the moles or today is going to be a long, un-fun day for everyone involved.

Edit: Sorry, un-fun for everyone except SouthTampa. Better? :)
Quoting 120. hurricanewatcher61:

You were right yesterday Scott, We got hammered pretty good with rains and storms here on the space coast yesterday. We needed the rain.


Yeah there was a front stretching from Tampa to Cape Canaveral so it appeared you were going to be in good shape yesterday for some rain.
0Z Euro has a endless supply of disturbances rolling along the Southern Jet across FL thru the next 10 days. There is a day or 2 mixed in there of dryness but pattern will remain wet. Interested to see how much rain we end up with in April as we could get in the Top 10 for wettest April's ever in some locations across E C FL.
Post #118 - WayneBradish

This page goes into detail regarding the 97% consensus. It has links to multiple studies and surveys, complete with detailed supporting information.

These two sites have good summaries regarding the so-called 'pause':

Climate Oscillations and the Global Warming Faux Pause

and

The 'Pause' in Global Warming Is Finally Explained

Regarding statements of 'admissions of falsified research' - please provide proof.
Why is it when this blog is about climate change almost all of the pro climate change group is so rude to the ones who believe they don't know how much humans have to do with climate change? I believe humans are reasonable for climate change, but how much are we actually changing and what part of this is a natural occurring cycle. I'm curious to see what happens to the temps when the PDO and AMO turn cold together, with a low solar minimum. I just hope if we are contributing as much as some on here believe that we can correct it and it is not some form of natural occurrence that we have no control over. Would be a great waste of time and money that could be spent on something that we know we can control, such as air, water pollution,and overpopulation. These are the real problems we face know, for if we don't correct these first we won't have to worry about climate change.
Quoting 124. StormTrackerScott:



Yeah there was a front stretching from Tampa to Cape Canaveral so it appeared you were going to be in good shape yesterday for some rain.
no rain on the west coast :(
Quoting 123. Naga5000:

Hey mods, might as well get the hammer out and start whacking the moles or today is going to be a long, un-fun day for everyone involved.
Un-fun? This is going to be great fun. I may get to double my ignore list today. It's posts like this that draw out the denialists like roaches...
Quoting 128. Stonehenge:

“Based on the evidence, more than 97% of climate scientists have concluded....
So you are still peddling that lie? That was 97% of the scientists to wrote in a comment of the thousands who participated. Look it up. The real percentage was about .033% Yea, that's less than one half a percent. I know you feel that it is OK to push the same lie that Obama used but remember, Obama has proven to be the #1 presidential liar in history.

If you are lying about this, what else are you taking for granted that is also false?
The NASA temperature reference chart? Aren't they the same organization that the Obama administration decimated and then told them to push gratitude to all Muslems? NASA is obviously afraid of this totalitarian administration and will say what ever they are told.
hi could you please provide your source for obama being the number one liar as far as presidents go... would like to see the criteria when we had a president before him that lied about iraq and caused the death and suffering of tens of thousands. must be an interesting calculation on how they come up with obama being the number one liar. please let us know your source on that claim.
Quoting 109. Quintaped:

"Based on the evidence" please provide sources for your evidence.

The IPCC Fifth Assessment Report (AR5) is loaded with detailed evidence and references galore.

National Climate Assessment (U.S.), also loaded with detailed references and references galore.

NASA's Climate Change page, which has a link to a separate page solely for 'evidence'.

Berkeley Earth, a group founded by skeptics, has an informative page on their findings regarding global temperature. All of their data is freely viewable.

Skeptical Science is a site devoted solely to providing information regarding climate science. No matter the topic, it has explanations, evidence and links to back up all of their information.

ZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzz....

As I was saying yesterday as some said I was looking stupid by saying Moderate El-Nino seems to be closing in. Anyways trolls will be trolls.

From Dr. Steve Gregory

El Nino


SST anomalies have continued to tick up over the tropical Pacific, with above normal readings now extending from the Central American coast to past the Dateline. Anomalous westerly winds have spread across the eastern Pacific and is continuing to cause SST's to warm. It is becoming clear that a Moderate El Nino condition has been reached, and the relatively strong flow of weather systems from the west coast eastward is at least partially due to the warm tropical Pacific waters.
Highest oceanic heat content across the Pacific since 1997 as well
Quoting 127. NativeSun:

Why is it when this blog is about climate change almost all of the pro climate change group is so rude to the ones who believe they don't know how much humans have to do with climate change? I believe humans are reasonable for climate change, but how much are we actually changing and what part of this is a natural occurring cycle. I'm curious to see what happens to the temps when the PDO and AMO turn cold together, with a low solar minimum. I just hope if we are contributing as much as some on here believe that we can correct it and it is not some form of natural occurrence that we have no control over. Would be a great waste of time and money that could be spent on something that we know we can control, such as air, water pollution,and overpopulation. These are the real problems we face know, for if we don't correct these first we won't have to worry about climate change.

Because the physics are clear, the evidence is in and time has run out. Climate wars are already being fought (from Boko Haram to the Levant). Families in California, which is part of what I term the 'IDZ' (Instant Desertification Zone) should really now think about moving to some other state, no kidding. The people of Sao Paulo can go nowhere so the Levant scenario is their future (because, to quote Kurt Vonnegut, so it goes).

Troubles re ' air, water pollution,and overpopulation' aggravate hugely because of climate change, that affects absolutely everything. It is strange to leave climate change out of this list, especially as we know how to stop it from happening.

What is true, however, is that climate change and the problems you cite can be viewed as one package containing the same plunder ideology or outright neglicence of humanity for its 'garden' earth.

Two notes on overpopulation. First, I shudder at potential 'solutions'... Second though it should be realized that many of the countries producing most of the worlds GHG emissions have a steady or sometimes even declining population (ageing) whereas countries where population grows fast have no carbon footprint to speak of (fast population growth is often a symptom of poverty and societal stress).
Quoting 127. NativeSun:

Why is it when this blog is about climate change almost all of the pro climate change group is so rude to the ones who believe they don't know how much humans have to do with climate change? I believe humans are reasonable for climate change, but how much are we actually changing and what part of this is a natural occurring cycle. I'm curious to see what happens to the temps when the PDO and AMO turn cold together, with a low solar minimum. I just hope if we are contributing as much as some on here believe that we can correct it and it is not some form of natural occurrence that we have no control over. Would be a great waste of time and money that could be spent on something that we know we can control, such as air, water pollution,and overpopulation. These are the real problems we face know, for if we don't correct these first we won't have to worry about climate change.


Thanks for your input. You know what's rude, NativeSun? Being bombarded with insulting comments towards science and scientists that aren't based in any reality whatsoever. Having years of schooling and knowledge questioned by conspiracy and ad hominem attacks. Having some regulars questions the very basics of physics and the greenhouse effect as if this is somehow a new idea. The attacks on scientists, the scientific process, how knowledge is created, academia, peer review, publications, it all has to stop. The basics of global warming aren't debatable unless you have found a new thing that acts like CO2, but isn't CO2. Want to debate the finer points, great, but being a denier of physics isn't very becoming. I suggest maybe reading up on the subject and keeping out of it until you have a better understanding. No one wants to have a conversation with someone who denies basic physics. And you certainly wouldn't put up with a parade of posters claiming hurricanes were a scam, made up by academics to get grant funding, or that tornadoes weren't real, just lies.

Quoting 130. SouthTampa:

Un-fun? This is going to be great fun. I may get to double my ignore list today. It's posts like this that draw out the denialists like roaches...


But..I have papers to grade. :)
Quoting 139. Naga5000:



Want to debate the finer points, great, but being a denier of physics isn't very becoming. I suggest maybe reading up on the subject and keeping out of it until you have a better understanding. No one wants to have a conversation with someone who denies basic physics.



^ This ^
Quoting 128. Stonehenge:

See post 126 regarding climate change consensus. It is well documented via multiple studies and surveys. Your assertions regarding percentages are incorrect. If you believe your numbers are right, please provide a source for your information.

Regarding 'NASA's temperature reference chart' - data collected by multiple countries show the planet is warming. The U.S. president does not control European governments or Japan.

No comment on your other assertions...
Remove this trash "Global Warming: CEOs Urging Action in 2015 on Global Climate" from my page. Thanks...I don't drink this Kool-Aid!!!!!!!!!!
Quoting 143. gleset:

Remove this trash "Global Warming: CEOs Urging Action in 2015 on Global Climate" from my page. Thanks...I don't drink this Kool-Aid!!!!!!!!!!
Why don't you go smoke a cigarette? We all know that the claim that they are harmful is a bunch of [redacted] made up by alarmist doctors!
From Capital Weather Gang (Washington DC) I think Washi post from this site.

El Nino conditions have fluorished in recent weeks says Paul Roundy, a professor of atmospheric sciences at the University at Albany. “[B]uoy observations suggest that the growth rate of El Niño conditions over the last few weeks is larger than any past event at this time of the year, even larger than the big event of 1997,” Roundy says. “[T]he present amplitude, when compared with signals at the same time of year, for growing events, is the largest in the historical record going back to 1980.”

Roundy calls for an 80 percent that strong El Nino conditions will develop this June and July and continue into next winter.

could the GFS be hiting at the 1st name storm of the season in the E PAC it seems too make land fall has as strong TS or cat 1 hurricane in MX


look down by MX

this happens in early may


Friday fight fest already? $4!T I forgot my popcorn! Anyways, good morning from Maryland.

Gonna be nice for most of this week with temperatures around 70. First thunderstorm of the year for me might come on Monday as well.
Quoting 139. Naga5000:



Thanks for your input. You know what's rude, NativeSun? Being bombarded with insulting comments towards science and scientists that aren't based in any reality whatsoever. Having years of schooling and knowledge questioned by conspiracy and ad hominem attacks. Having some regulars questions the very basics of physics and the greenhouse effect as if this is somehow a new idea. The attacks on scientists, the scientific process, how knowledge is created, academia, peer review, publications, it all has to stop. The basics of global warming aren't debatable unless you have found a new thing that acts like CO2, but isn't CO2. Want to debate the finer points, great, but being a denier of physics isn't very becoming. I suggest maybe reading up on the subject and keeping out of it until you have a better understanding. No one wants to have a conversation with someone who denies basic physics. And you certainly wouldn't put up with a parade of posters claiming hurricanes were a scam, made up by academics to get grant funding, or that tornadoes weren't real, just lies.



Hear, hear.
"... it all has to stop" now.
Quoting 143. gleset:

Remove this trash "Global Warming: CEOs Urging Action in 2015 on Global Climate" from my page. Thanks...I don't drink this Kool-Aid!!!!!!!!!!


If you go to any weather website on Earth, you are going to get bombarded by Climate Change Information, period. You may petition Weather Underground to allow you to set filters to remove any mention of climate change, but that would be you're only recourse of action.
150. jpsb
Quoting 105. yoboi:



The U.S. did address climate change....we will be shipping coal to china for the next 30 yrs...Think of all the CO2 that will be sent into the atmosphere just with the shipping of it....


I wish I could give you more than 1 + on that comment. Why is the USA shipping millions of tons of dirty coal to China? Hopefully we will get answer. Common sense says if AGW is the great threat ever to humanity and coal the dirtiest FF then we should not be sending massive amounts of our coal to China to burn.
Quoting 146. Tazmanian:
could the GFS be hiting at the 1st name storm of the season in the E PAC it seems too make land fall has as strong TS or cat 1 hurricane in MX


look down by MX

this happens in early may




Looks like more of a mess to me, but it's far out.. Hard to know.

Quoting 150. jpsb:



I wish I could give you more than 1 + on that comment. Why is the USA shipping millions of tons of dirty coal to China? Hopefully we will get answer. Common sense says if AGW is the great threat ever to humanity and coal the dirtiest FF then we should not be sending massive amounts of our coal to China to burn.


I thought you were a big free market guy? Are you suggesting the government impose regulations on private industry limiting where they can sell their coal?
Quoting 137. StormTrackerScott:

Highest oceanic heat content across the Pacific since 1997 as well


Poor penguins . . and sea lions, and pelicans and marine iguanas etc. They're all gonna die, well, up to 90% of them, judging by previous events. Not nice to see little sea lion pups starving to death in their tens of thousands because their mothers can't catch enough fish to provide milk.

And there will be the usual rampant out of control forest fires in Indonesia, with orang utans burning to death in the canopy, because slash and burn palm oil planters don't really care about wildlife burning alive.
154. jpsb
Quoting 123. Naga5000:

Hey mods, might as well get the hammer out and start whacking the moles or today is going to be a long, un-fun day for everyone involved.

Edit: Sorry, un-fun for everyone except SouthTampa. Better? :)


Either agree or get wacked huh? lol, now I know why 97% agree. :)
I will rain on everybody's parade. Regardless of whether or not you believe in Climate Change, if you believe in Climate Change, but don't believe it is influenced by human activity, or if you are a whole hearted believer that Climate Change is occurring and is heavily influenced by humans, but don't believe that it is economically or technologically feasible to do anything about it, the end result for the species is going to be exactly the same: misery, fear, pain and death. It is a criminal dis-service to ignore, deny or sugar coat the outcomes that Climate Change will cause for humans if the current status quo is maintained.
Quoting 143. gleset:


See post #88 for a list of major scientific organizations and post #102 for a list of major oil & gas companies that agree climate change is occurring.

I highly doubt they're all in cahoots in a cult, 'drinking kool-aid'.
Quoting 146. Tazmanian:

could the GFS be hiting at the 1st name storm of the season in the E PAC it seems too make land fall has as strong TS or cat 1 hurricane in MX


look down by MX

this happens in early may





Good catch Taz!
Quoting 154. jpsb:



Either agree or get wacked huh? lol, now I know why 97% agree. :)


Hurr hurr, are you really not quick enough to realize a flood of anti-global warming posters who are making their first ever posts today on a blog regarding private industry CEO's wanting action on climate change is just a tiny bit suspect. That this pattern of first time posters who only serve to disrupt happens frequently on posts such as this one? I imagine not since you are in the special camp of science deniers who has settled on the loophole of not rejecting basic physics of the greenhouse effect, but rejecting all scientific knowledge that equates warming to bad outcomes. Lukewarmers are the ultimate cherry pickers of data and constant contradictions, go bother someone else.
Quoting Torito:
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Hey does anyone know how to change your password on the WU member settings if you can't remember your current password?
Quoting 70. DCSwithunderscores:



Would this video be checked against mainstream climate science for accuracy, or would it just be the opinion of some guy on the internet? Would you run the contents of the video by people on here to see if they deem it to be in line with mainstream climate science?


I wouldn't hold your breath. If you through his posting history you rapidly come to the conclusion that he thinks the Earth's climate system (and most of physics along with it) is regulated by magic. Violations of thermodynamics, conspiracy theories, violations of conservation of energy, denial of basic chemical properties, failure to understand even the most basic physics dealing with a climate system, so on and so forth.

And who can forget the extreme abuse of the question mark.
"“Based on the evidence, more than 97% of climate scientists have concluded that human-caused climate change is happening. " Mega-dittos on this. And why is it the "climate change" advocates are always howling for more government action--as if politicians could somehow sort this out. Right!, I see that all the time. Want higher medical costs? Let government and politicians make it free. College tuitions need to be raised? Let government make college education a universal right. Want to reduce dependence on foreign oil (as was the goal not too long ago)? Let government establish a Department of Energy under whose aegis we became progressively more dependent

Assuming we're all agreed on the meaning of "climate change" i.e. whether it's global warming, global cooling or those and/or other phenomena, we are still less certain what its effects are going to be. Of course, the media presents them all as catastrophic; the same way it hypes asteroid impacts, gamma-ray bursts from space and the big volcano situated in Wyoming erupting and wiping out civilization--here in North America anyway. Even when the effects are proposed by reputable scientists they are still speculation. To be able to speak authoritatively on them a climatologist would have to be something other than a layman on a huge range of subjects: from agriculture to oceanography. Moreover, those agriculturists and oceanographers who sign up to the climate change thesis seldom know much about climatology--at least to know much about the theory of time series and extrapolations based upon them. And I find that not one in 100 (including scientists) actually know the definition of the y-axis on graphs like the one from NASA posted by Naga5000. My guess is this is true of the CEOs listed above. Ask yourself--right now without googling--do I know what it means, I mean the definition as used by P.D. Jones et. al.? Be honest!

Finally, the uncertain effects, coupled with the extreme unlikelihood of any coherent strategy for dealing with them coming from our government--not to mention the concerted strategies of the governments of the world--mean that if we follow the prescriptions of the alarmists and other concerned folk, we run a significant risk of having our economic freedoms significantly curtailed and our prosperity reduced (in ways most of us would not welcome). Any solution that will come from government will be merely political consensus and its links to the actual science of climate change will be about as strong as the links between the infamous 5-year plans of the Soviet Union and the PRC and the wellbeing of the "the workers" in those countries. Continuing on this path it will be dirigisme, not a "low carbon, climate-resilient economy" that our people will have to endure. And I'll leave it to readers to ponder what a climate-resilient economy actually is--another indicator of the kind of buffaloing going on and that if we take the kind of action the CEOs propose we are leaping into the void.
Quoting 150. jpsb:



I wish I could give you more than 1 + on that comment. Why is the USA shipping millions of tons of dirty coal to China? Hopefully we will get answer. Common sense says if AGW is the great threat ever to humanity and coal the dirtiest FF then we should not be sending massive amounts of our coal to China to burn.

For the same reasons our jobs were outsourced. The almighty dollar!
Quoting 159. 62901IL:

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zzzzzzzzzzzz...



Lets find out who remember their history: Where does the term "drink the Kool-Aid" originate from?
166. jpsb
Quoting 152. Naga5000:



I thought you were a big free market guy? Are you suggesting the government impose regulations on private industry limiting where they can sell their coal?


I don't like regulations on private industry in general however there are times when regs are a necessary evil. Oil companies (with a few small exceptions) are not allow to export oil. I support that reg, I would support a similar reg for coal. No exports, if coal is bad to burn here it's bad to burn anywhere. Killing coal in the USA but allowing the export of million of tons per year is blatant hypocrisy.
Quoting 162. DeVryguy:



Yep, you're right, nobody knows for sure. Just as the residents of Easter Island never stopped to ponder what would happen when they cut down the last tree.
I always thought this of all the varying factors that threatens our environment resulting from negative feed backs from Human induced climate change was the acidity levels within oceans. We are not escaping what we have already set into motion. We are truly in the mist of a rare event...

Ocean Acidification
by
The Ocean Portal Team; Reviewed by Jennifer Bennett (NOAA)



Quoting 165. tlawson48:

Lets find out who remember their history: Where does the term "drink the Kool-Aid" originate from?

Jim Jones, cult leader, and mass murderer
ENSO here we are on another Friday.




Atmospheric CO2 March 2015

401.52

co2now.org

CO2 Data Set:
Original CO2 data files dated: April 4 & 6 2015 (Scripps & NOAA)


Measuring Location:

Mauna Loa Observatory, Hawaii


Why is CO2 significant?

Carbon dioxide (CO2) is the chief greenhouse gas that results from human activities and causes global warming and climate change. To see whether enough is being done at the moment to solve these global problems, there is no single indicator as complete and current as the monthly updates for atmospheric CO2 from the Mauna Loa Observatory.


What is the current trend?

The concentrations of CO2 in the atmosphere are increasing at an accelerating rate from decade to decade. The latest atmospheric CO2 data is consistent with a continuation of this long-standing trend.


What level is safe?

The upper safety limit for atmospheric CO2 is 350 parts per million (ppm). Atmospheric CO2 levels have stayed higher than 350 ppm since early 1988.

Viewpoints other than an alarmist/activist point of view - such as alluded to in comment 73, "The sky is falling! The sky is falling!" - must be considered in any approach to solutions that consider all factors. The human and economic factors which must be blended in to any solutions. Alarmism does not help solutions and it never will.

And for those who flagged comment 73. this comment does not violate community standards in any way. It is on topic, yet it has been flagged and removed "for violating community standards."

There is a difference between a violation of standards and expressing one's opinion of the blog content. That the blogger who posted 73 does not agree with an alarmist/activist viewpoint is not a valid reason to flag the comment off the page. The community standards forbid gang flagging, and even if not organized by any group or person, suppressing another point of view by flagging a comment off the page like this is not fair play.

If your goals are changing the world, that road - suppressing other views - won't take you there. Stepping on toes will only alienate the so-called "opposition."
Quoting 169. LAbonbon:

Jim Jones, cult leader, and mass murderer


I was gonnna go wit Sen. James Inhofe, R. Ok.
Going with Science on AGW is alarmist?

Gee, Who's winning?

I think the Energy CEO's. Note their is only ONE energy company CEO in dat list.

I wunder why dat iz?

Quoting 133. LAbonbon:


The IPCC Fifth Assessment Report (AR5) is loaded with detailed evidence and references galore.

National Climate Assessment (U.S.), also loaded with detailed references and references galore.

NASA's Climate Change page, which has a link to a separate page solely for 'evidence'.

Berkeley Earth, a group founded by skeptics, has an informative page on their findings regarding global temperature. All of their data is freely viewable.

Skeptical Science is a site devoted solely to providing information regarding climate science. No matter the topic, it has explanations, evidence and links to back up all of their information.


Thanks for the thoughtful response, Bon. But you--and I, and everybody else--know that the OP wasn't really asking for evidence; how could s/he when those sources of evidence have been published on the web for years, and have been linked to here and elsewhere millions of times? No, the OP was playing the silly little denialist FUD game: demanding evidence as if none were ever proferred. it's boring; it's lame; it smacks of desperation. But, unfortunately, it often works...

As others have requested, I, too, hope the mods drop in frequently today to keep rein on the worst of the worst. If not, this forum won't be suitable for man nor beast...
Quoting 169. LAbonbon:


Jim Jones, cult leader, and mass murderer


Correct. Also the only time since the Civil War that a sitting member of Congress was assassinated.
176. jpsb
Quoting 163. LAbonbon:


For the same reasons our jobs were outsourced. The almighty dollar!



I would be more inclined to take the AGW threat seriously if I did not see dollars signs all over it. It's ok to sell coal to China but it is not OK to use it here? Really? A consistent approach to reducing CO2 globally would do a lot to convenience me that at least policy makers were taking AGW seriously and I would respect their efforts even if I though it was silliness.
Quoting 85. yippierb:

Man made global climate change is a crock. Climate change happens! It has become the new socialist, secular religion. Push your agenda elsewhere.

Please keep the political garbage off your otherwise excellent weather page.


You're right. Obviously those stupid Obama scientists back in the 1800's who first study this back int the 1800's were just laying the groundwork for the Climate Science Illuminati to take over the world today. How could we have been so blind! Al Gore's house is really a TIME MACHINE! He goes back in time with Steve Buscemi to show those in the past what happens to the human race if they don't follow his teachings!

In the meantime, maybe you can explain to us why you're listening to garbage being pushed by the same companies who for decades fought against removing lead from gasoline.
Quoting 171. Barefootontherocks:

Viewpoints other than an alarmist/activist point of view - such as alluded to in comment 73, "The sky is falling! The sky is falling!" - must be considered in any approach to solutions that consider all factors. The human and economic factors which must be blended in to any solutions. Alarmism does not help solutions and it never will.

And for those who flagged comment 73. this comment does not violate community standards in any way. It is on topic, yet it has been flagged and removed "for violating community standards."

There is a difference between a violation of standards and expressing one's opinion of the blog content. That the blogger who posted 73 does not agree with an alarmist/activist viewpoint is not a valid reason to flag the comment off the page. The community standards forbid gang flagging, and even if not organized by any group or person, suppressing another point of view by flagging a comment off the page like this is not fair play.

If your goals are changing the world, that road - suppressing other views - won't take you there. Stepping on toes will only alienate the so-called "opposition."



Using terms like alarmist show nothing but contempt for the scientific discourse and the available knowledge, despite your opinion.
Quoting tlawson48:


Correct. Also the only time since the Civil War that a sitting member of Congress was assassinated.


What's ironic is Jim Jones didn't use Kool-Aid. He used Flavor-Aid.
Quoting 175. tlawson48:


Correct. Also the only time since the Civil War that a sitting member of Congress was assassinated.


We lost a Congressman aboard the KAL Airliner 747 that the Russians Mig Blew out the Sky in the Pacific in Sept 83.
Quoting 128. Stonehenge:

“Based on the evidence, more than 97% of climate scientists have concluded....
So you are still peddling that lie? That was 97% of the scientists to wrote in a comment of the thousands who participated. Look it up. The real percentage was about .033% Yea, that's less than one half a percent. I know you feel that it is OK to push the same lie that Obama used but remember, Obama has proven to be the #1 presidential liar in history.

If you are lying about this, what else are you taking for granted that is also false?
The NASA temperature reference chart? Aren't they the same organization that the Obama administration decimated and then told them to push gratitude to all Muslems? NASA is obviously afraid of this totalitarian administration and will say what ever they are told.


Yikes.
Quoting 148. cRRKampen:


Hear, hear.
"... it all has to stop" now.
Prime example with your post Nagaa, why are you being so rude, one of my degrees was in physics, but that's alright, my post wasn't about global warming it was about the rude responses you get on this blog by some bloggers if you post something they don't like. My list gets longer everyday. Like I said before let everyone have an opinion on their views, it's not like we will accomplish anything or change anyone's of importance views as it pertains to climate change, this is a weather blog so what our views are really doesn't matter to the people in charge.
Quoting 166. jpsb:



I don't like regulations on private industry in general however there are times when regs are a necessary evil. Oil companies (with a few small exceptions) are not allow to export oil. I support that reg, I would support a similar reg for coal. No exports, if coal is bad to burn here it's bad to burn anywhere. Killing coal in the USA but allowing the export of million of tons per year is blatant hypocrisy.


According to Wiki: "Utilities buy more than 90 percent of the coal mined in the United States."

I don't think you have a clue as to the importing and exporting of coal and what is allowed to be used. Please stop.
Quoting 176. jpsb:




I would be more inclined to take the AGW threat seriously if I did not see dollars signs all over it. It's ok to sell coal to China but it is not OK to use it here? Really? A consistent approach to reducing CO2 globally would do a lot to convenience me that at least policy makers were taking AGW seriously and I would respect their efforts even if I though it was silliness.

The policy makers sell coal?
O well, it's possible - then it's called a plutocracy.
Incidentally the most climate revisionist country of Europe is where I'm from, Holland - and we are actually burning Koch coal, too.
Eric Blake @EricBlake12 · 17h 17 hours ago
Central Florida into the record heat too-- warmest last 45 days at both Orlando and Daytona Beach as well! #flwx
Quoting 182. NativeSun:

Prime example with your post Nagaa, why are you being so rude, one of my degrees was in physics, but that's alright, my post wasn't about global warming it was about the rude responses you get on this blog by some bloggers if you post something they don't like. My list gets longer everyday. Like I said before let everyone have an opinion on their views, it's not like we will accomplish anything or change anyone's of importance views as it pertains to climate change, this is a weather blog so what our views are really doesn't matter to the people in charge.


You have spread misinformation and outright lies on this forum regarding climate change and advocated for doing nothing. You have made countless claims of "natural cycles" with no supporting evidence. You have shown an incredible lack of respect to the very degree you claim to have. I have no duty to be cordial to you. Maybe a refresher course in physics is in order? And spell my handle right for once, would you, it's right there.
The Pacific hurricane season is now just 4 weeks away...already. With the combination of a near-record-breaking positive PDO and slowly-intensifying El Nino that is likely to reach Moderate strength over the summer, sea surface temperatures across the Central and East Pacific are running well above average. Vertical instability is also running well above average, while wind shear has been generally average to below average for the past several weeks. Those factors considered, I expect another hyperactive season, and I'm currently forecasting 21-23 named storms, 13-15 hurricanes, 6-8 major hurricanes, and an ACE index near 200 units. This is in stark contrast to what we should expect in the Atlantic basin this year...

Quoting 176. jpsb:




I would be more inclined to take the AGW threat seriously if I did not see dollars signs all over it. It's ok to sell coal to China but it is not OK to use it here? Really? A consistent approach to reducing CO2 globally would do a lot to convenience me that at least policy makers were taking AGW seriously and I would respect their efforts even if I though it was silliness.

Coal is definitely used here:


(Source - U.S. Energy Information Adinistration)

Regarding a consistent, global approach, I agree. That's what many are working toward. Even in my perusal of oil & gas company's websites this morning for their positions on climate change, it struck me that some companies repeatedly stated this.
Quoting 181. FatPenguin:



Yikes.

The derp is strong in that one.
Quoting 182. NativeSun:

Prime example with your post Nagaa, why are you being so rude, one of my degrees was in physics dominated field, but that's alright, my post wasn't about global warming it was about the rude responses you get on this blog by some bloggers if you post something they don't like. My list gets longer everyday. Like I said before let everyone have an opinion on their views, it's not like we will accomplish anything or change anyone's of importance views as it pertains to climate change, this is a weather blog so what our views are really doesn't matter to the people in charge.
Quoting 109. Quintaped:

"Based on the evidence" please provide sources for your evidence.


The IPCC report is the most comprehensive survey of modern climate science, which includes plenty of references to peer reviewed research, models, and data. However, climate research goes back to the early 1800's, with the first climate model and prediction of global warming in the late 1800's so there's research going back almost 200 years. Also, climate science pulls from many branches of science, so there are multiple aspects to investigate and choose from.

Is there a specific area you're interested in or is it more of a general query?
192. jpsb
Quoting 175. tlawson48:



Correct. Also the only time since the Civil War that a sitting member of Congress was assassinated.


Some people think McDonald was assassinated

from Wiki

Lawrence Patton McDonald, M.D. (April 1, 1935 – September 1, 1983) was an American politician and a member of the United States House of Representatives, representing Georgia's 7th congressional district as a Democrat. He was a passenger on board Korean Air Lines Flight 007 when it was shot down by Soviet interceptors and presumed dead.
Quoting 193. migrace:

I can no longer support WU. Climate change(hard to say global warming with some of the coldest winters on record) the very name is part of the brainwashing...so 97% of scientists are either not honest(very common among humans)or deceived..IF climate change is caused by man I do not believe there anything you can do about it...but there IS one thing that will come of this if your position is adopted by our gov. they will use it to take some freedoms like property rights etc...THE BIGGEST LIE I'VE HEARD IN LAST 5 YRS OR SO IS PUBLIC SAFETY...THIS IS THE RUSE UNDER WHICH EVEN NOW ARE FREEDOMS ARE BEING TAKIN AWAY ONE BY ONE...Dear Dr Masters...take another look at that 3% they are right!!!! if you believe the gov wants you safe or cares about your health..your more deceived than than you know..I suspect what they taught you in college laid the groundwork in your mind for this deception..


Wowza, conspiracy ideation riding on top of anti-intellectualism. Classy first post.
Quoting 186. Naga5000:



You have spread misinformation and outright lies on this forum regarding climate change and advocated for doing nothing. You have made countless claims of "natural cycles" with no supporting evidence. You have shown an incredible lack of respect to the very degree you claim to have. I have no duty to be cordial to you. Maybe a refresher course in physics is in order?


I have a co-worker who point blank refuses to do work that is assigned to them that is in the job description to which they signed their name. I have been saddled with their work (because it still has to get done) and as such, I am now months behind schedule. I have confronted this individual on one occasion and asked them why it is my responsibility to carry their work load. The only response I got was that if I continued to pick on them, they would report me to the union. Do I have a moral obligation to be nice to this individual?
What about Bobby Kennedy in 1968 and Huey Long in 1935? They were both senators when they were killed.
Quoting 192. jpsb:



Some people think McDonald was assassinated

from Wiki

Lawrence Patton McDonald, M.D. (April 1, 1935 – September 1, 1983) was an American politician and a member of the United States House of Representatives, representing Georgia's 7th congressional district as a Democrat. He was a passenger on board Korean Air Lines Flight 007 when it was shot down by Soviet interceptors and presumed dead.


I can understand that. I would guess the argument is whether or not the Soviets were intentionally targeting that plane because of said member of Congress or if it was a "wrong place, wrong time" sort of thing?
Quoting 196. TheBigBanana:

What about Bobby Kennedy in 1968 and Huey Long in 1935? They were both senators when they were killed.


Killed, yes, assassinated, no.
Again, thought this blog was about tropical weather. Bickering about climate change is such a bore. This site used to be such a wonderful alternative to The Weather Channel.
Quoting 150. jpsb:



I wish I could give you more than 1 + on that comment. Why is the USA shipping millions of tons of dirty coal to China? Hopefully we will get answer. Common sense says if AGW is the great threat ever to humanity and coal the dirtiest FF then we should not be sending massive amounts of our coal to China to burn.


So your refuting the science because people are acting stupid? How does that even logically follow?

Smoking is bad for you. There's a thousand studies on all the nasty things that smoking does to the human body. We have big giant warnings on packs, big billboards plastered with pictures of how bad it is, commercials of emphysema patients hooked up to oxygen tanks or with holes in their throats telling us how bad it is.

And yet millions still smoke. By your reasoning then, smoking must be good for you and all those scientists are crackpots.
Quoting 160. WeatherBAC:

Hey does anyone know how to change your password on the WU member settings if you can't remember your current password?


Hello, Mod could you help me with this? Everyone else seems a bit occupied right now with Global warming talk.
Quoting 195. tlawson48:



I have a co-worker who point blank refuses to do work that is assigned to them that is in the job description to which they signed their name. I have been saddled with their work (because it still has to get done) and as such, I am now months behind schedule. I have confronted this individual on one occasion and asked them why it is my responsibility to carry their work load. The only response I got was that if I continued to pick on them, they would report me to the union. Do I have a moral obligation to be nice to this individual?


You're in a union? Lucky. :)

I think a lot of the people here want trophies for their opinions. Because is the postmodern world, EVERY opinion is just as valid as any other opinion. Facts no longer exist, it is all opinion open to interpretation. Saying it's natural cycles is just as likely as scientists saying it's CO2's ability to absorb and emit radiation, and should be treated as such. /sarcasm

I'm sorry, your co-worker is right, stop bothering him and just do his work, but do it poorly. :)
Quoting tlawson48:


Killed, yes, assassinated, no.


This is off topic, but they were both murdered on purpose. Both while in office as senators. Huey Long was assassinated. Bobby Kennedy was assassinated.
Quoting 199. bobbysweatpants:

Again, thought this blog was about tropical weather. Bickering about climate change is such a bore. This site used to be such a wonderful alternative to The Weather Channel.


The topic is climate change politics, you are free to discuss weather. Although, I didn't think the blog was about insulting WU or TWC, but you know, things.
Quoting 193. migrace:

I can no longer support WU. Climate change(hard to say global warming with some of the coldest winters on record) the very name is part of the brainwashing...so 97% of scientists are either not honest(very common among humans)or deceived..IF climate change is caused by man I do not believe there anything you can do about it...but there IS one thing that will come of this if your position is adopted by our gov. they will use it to take some freedoms like property rights etc...THE BIGGEST LIE I'VE HEARD IN LAST 5 YRS OR SO IS PUBLIC SAFETY...THIS IS THE RUSE UNDER WHICH EVEN NOW ARE FREEDOMS ARE BEING TAKIN AWAY ONE BY ONE...Dear Dr Masters...take another look at that 3% they are right!!!! if you believe the gov wants you safe or cares about your health..your more deceived than than you know..I suspect what they taught you in college laid the groundwork in your mind for this deception..

Where are they all coming from today? Jesus.

So the only so-called support we got in your post to prove that AGW is a lie is the fact that we've seen "some of the coldest winters on record," yet you didn't even bother to post where. The globe certainly hasn't seen some of its coldest winters on record recently, and if you're referring the East United States, well...when did the East U.S. represent the entire planet?
Quoting 202. Naga5000:



You're in a union? Lucky. :)

I think a lot of the people here want trophies for their opinions. Because is the postmodern world, EVERY opinion is just as valid as any other opinion. Facts no longer exist, it is all opinion open to interpretation. Saying it's natural cycles is just as likely as scientists saying it's CO2's ability to absorb and emit radiation, and should be treated as such. /sarcasm

I'm sorry, your co-worker is right, stop bothering him and just do his work, but do it poorly. :)


Right now I am so damn far behind schedule, it doesn't get done at all.
Quoting 193. migrace:

I can no longer support WU. Climate change(hard to say global warming with some of the coldest winters on record) the very name is part of the brainwashing...so 97% of scientists are either not honest(very common among humans)or deceived..IF climate change is caused by man I do not believe there anything you can do about it...but there IS one thing that will come of this if your position is adopted by our gov. they will use it to take some freedoms like property rights etc...THE BIGGEST LIE I'VE HEARD IN LAST 5 YRS OR SO IS PUBLIC SAFETY...THIS IS THE RUSE UNDER WHICH EVEN NOW ARE FREEDOMS ARE BEING TAKIN AWAY ONE BY ONE...Dear Dr Masters...take another look at that 3% they are right!!!! if you believe the gov wants you safe or cares about your health..your more deceived than than you know..I suspect what they taught you in college laid the groundwork in your mind for this deception..

See, NativeSun - accusations of fraud & malfeasance, complottery, even 'brainwashing' (see the DPRK), 'ruse' - all this needs to be cut away or else kicked about rudely because the rudeness starts with climate revisionists and we are now sick and tired of over 15 years of abuse.

If you really think the northeast part of the US is 'global', then please rack off now, indeed - say goodbye and DO goodbye.
The northern hemisphere winter of 2014-15 was the second hottest on record (2006-07 remains #1).
Globally it was the warmest on record.
The 'stuck pattern syndrome' that had the NE of the US in the downward branch of the circumpolar jet for such a long time is caused by the warming, particularly the Arctic Amplification part, resulting in a small patch of anomaly to the cool (not even record, of course).
Quoting 123. Naga5000:

Hey mods, might as well get the hammer out and start whacking the moles or today is going to be a long, un-fun day for everyone involved.

Edit: Sorry, un-fun for everyone except SouthTampa. Better? :)


The fun left back in 2011, if I remember correctly.

The Great Humor Purge, as it is sometimes never referred to, resulted in many a fine folk being ex-communicated from the Church of Unfunny.

It was a terrible, horrible thing. Unprecedented, really, and truly historic.
Quoting 203. TheBigBanana:



This is off topic, but they were both murdered on purpose. Huey Long was assassinated. Bobby Kennedy was assassinated.


Sorry, I'm getting the halves of Congress mixed up. I meant Representatives, not Senators. You are correct.
Quoting 174. Neapolitan:

Thanks for the thoughtful response, Bon. But you--and I, and everybody else--know that the OP wasn't really asking for evidence; how could s/he when those sources of evidence have been published on the web for years, and have been linked to here and elsewhere millions of times? No, the OP was playing the silly little denialist FUD game: demanding evidence as if none were ever proferred. it's boring; it's lame; it smacks of desperation. But, unfortunately, it often works...

As others have requested, I, too, hope the mods drop in frequently today to keep rein on the worst of the worst. If not, this forum won't be suitable for man nor beast...

Perhaps so. But, it's possible that the poster doesn't know, and has gotten his/her information from Fox, or other sites/stations that are not scientifically-minded. I think some of these folks followed the link on their weather page, so they're not the types who frequent the blogs. And there are lots of lurkers compared to posters, so maybe someone will actually follow one or two of the links to educate themselves as to the reality of climate change. If all they hear is 'climate change isn't real', etc., that's what they end up believing.

Also, now I (or anyone) can just say 'refer to post #133' when others request/demand the same information. :)
Quoting 205. TropicalAnalystwx13:


Where are they all coming from today? Jesus.

So the only so-called support we got in your post to prove that AGW is a lie is the fact that we've seen "some of the coldest winters on record," yet you didn't even bother to post where. The globe certainly hasn't seen some of its coldest winters on record recently, and if you're referring the East United States, well...when did the East U.S. represent the entire planet?


I don't know, but the sheer number is incredible. Private Industry pushing for action on climate change really hit a hornet's nest of epic proportions. I wonder how many will now boycott Dow Chemical products or pull their moneys and close their mortgages from HSBC. I doubt any.
Quoting 194. Naga5000:



Wowza, conspiracy ideation riding on top of anti-intellectualism. Classy first post.


Seems like a number of posters forgot their meds this morning? Seriously, where is all this crazy nutter crap coming from? Is WUWT down or something?
Quoting 208. FBMinFL:



The fun left back in 2011, if I remember correctly.

The Great Humor Purge, as it is sometimes never referred to, resulted in many a fine folk being ex-communicated from the Church of Unfunny.

It was a terrible, horrible thing. Unprecedented, really, and truly historic.


I would say something comforting, but I see how you guys talk about myself and others at the site that shall not be named. I actually like you, but the sad ex-WU poster schtick isn't funny anymore, it's creepy and trollish. You could just post the chart, now there is something that gets a giggle every time, amiright? :)
There are a bunch of posts on the admin blog by people who've been members a long time angry about classic going away. Some of them are posting derp in here because they are pissed off. At least that's what I think is going on. On days like this it's hard to take wunderground seriously.
Quoting 174. Neapolitan:

Thanks for the thoughtful response, Bon. But you--and I, and everybody else--know that the OP wasn't really asking for evidence; how could s/he when those sources of evidence have been published on the web for years, and have been linked to here and elsewhere millions of times? No, the OP was playing the silly little denialist FUD game: demanding evidence as if none were ever proferred. it's boring; it's lame; it smacks of desperation. But, unfortunately, it often works...

As others have requested, I, too, hope the mods drop in frequently today to keep rein on the wurst of the wurst. If not, this forum won't be suitable for man nor beast...


Could not agree more.

HERE, HERE!
Raining here today but wanted to share some beautiful pics from AOL of amazing flower fields..

Have a great day..Carry on..







Quoting 212. Xyrus2000:



Seems like a number of posters forgot their meds this morning? Seriously, where is all this crazy nutter crap coming from? Is WUWT down or something?


Well, here in the UK, the kids have been off school for the Easter holidays for two weeks. Don't know if it's the same in the US, but boredom can be a terrible thing.
Quoting 213. Naga5000:



I would say something comforting, but I see how you guys talk about myself and others at the site that shall not be named. I actually like you, but the sad ex-WU poster schtick isn't funny anymore, it's creepy and trollish. You could just post the chart, now there is something that gets a giggle every time, amiright? :)


HA. That's a suicide mission around these parts. You know that.

There could be a "In Memoriam" list pages long of those that dared post that evil thing, what with its assertions of Peaks and Valleys, and vague references to "100 years" that never changed from year-to-year. It's a wonder not more lost their lives due to that thing.
Quoting 208. FBMinFL:



The fun left back in 2011, if I remember correctly.

The Great Humor Purge, as it is sometimes never referred to, resulted in many a fine folk being ex-communicated from the Church of Unfunny.

It was a terrible, horrible thing. Unprecedented, really, and truly historic.
Best I can recall is that certain cliques became cults of personality, effectively rendering the forum nearly useless--especially during times of heavy tropical activity--by repeated posting of lame "humor", the same dozen or so images, sniping, and very little of value to anyone but themselves and their sub-groups. I don't think I'm alone in decreeing this forum a far better place without them. Of course, many of those so "purged" have come back in a more mature, less cantankerous form, and that's okay; so long as they realize this forum isn't their own kindergarten sandbox to rule, they're certainly welcome.
Snow in the mountains (Per NWS-Denver/Boulder, "SNOW ACCUMULATIONS...1 TO 3 FEET. HEAVIEST ACCUMULATIONS LIKELY IN THE HIGHER MOUNTAINS OF BOULDER AND LARIMER COUNTIES."


Quoting 219. Neapolitan:

Best I can recall is that certain cliques became cults of personality, effectively rendering the forum nearly useless--especially during times of heavy tropical activity--by repeated posting of lame "humor", the same dozen or so images, sniping, and very little of value to anyone but themselves and their sub-groups. I don't think I'm alone in decreeing this forum a far better place without them. Of course, many of those so "purged" have come back in a more mature, less cantankerous form, and that's okay; so long as they realize this forum isn't their own kindergarten sandbox to rule, they're certainly welcome.
and the truth shall set u free
Quoting 219. Neapolitan:

Best I can recall is that certain cliques became cults of personality, effectively rendering the forum nearly useless--especially during times of heavy tropical activity--by repeated posting of lame "humor", the same dozen or so images, sniping, and very little of value to anyone but themselves and their sub-groups. I don't think I'm alone in decreeing this forum a far better place without them. Of course, many of those so "purged" have come back in a more mature, less cantankerous form, and that's okay; so long as they realize this forum isn't their own kindergarten sandbox to rule, they're certainly welcome.
and the truth shall set u free
Quoting 219. Neapolitan:

Best I can recall is that certain cliques became cults of personality, effectively rendering the forum nearly useless--especially during times of heavy tropical activity--by repeated posting of lame "humor", the same dozen or so images, sniping, and very little of value to anyone but themselves and their sub-groups. I don't think I'm alone in decreeing this forum a far better place without them. Of course, many of those so "purged" have come back in a more mature, less cantankerous form, and that's okay; so long as they realize this forum isn't their own kindergarten sandbox to rule, they're certainly welcome.
and the truth shall set u free
Quoting 219. Neapolitan:

Best I can recall is that certain cliques became cults of personality, effectively rendering the forum nearly useless--especially during times of heavy tropical activity--by repeated posting of lame "humor", the same dozen or so images, sniping, and very little of value to anyone but themselves and their sub-groups. I don't think I'm alone in decreeing this forum a far better place without them. Of course, many of those so "purged" have come back in a more mature, less cantankerous form, and that's okay; so long as they realize this forum isn't their own kindergarten sandbox to rule, they're certainly welcome.
and the truth shall set u free
Quoting 219. Neapolitan:

Best I can recall is that certain cliques became cults of personality, effectively rendering the forum nearly useless--especially during times of heavy tropical activity--by repeated posting of lame "humor", the same dozen or so images, sniping, and very little of value to anyone but themselves and their sub-groups. I don't think I'm alone in decreeing this forum a far better place without them. Of course, many of those so "purged" have come back in a more mature, less cantankerous form, and that's okay; so long as they realize this forum isn't their own kindergarten sandbox to rule, they're certainly welcome.
and the truth shall set u free
Quoting 216. ncstorm:

Raining here today but wanted to share some beautiful pics from AOL of amazing flower fields..

Have a great day..Carry on..


All of the red bud trees are in bloom here in Illinois. It's been in the 70's everyday for the past week. Only a morning shower or two then nothing but sun for the rest of the day....perfect.

It's definitely been photogenic.
Quoting 219. Neapolitan:

Best I can recall is that certain cliques became cults of personality, effectively rendering the forum nearly useless--especially during times of heavy tropical activity--by repeated posting of lame "humor", the same dozen or so images, sniping, and very little of value to anyone but themselves and their sub-groups. I don't think I'm alone in decreeing this forum a far better place without them. Of course, many of those so "purged" have come back in a more mature, less cantankerous form, and that's okay; so long as they realize this forum isn't their own kindergarten sandbox to rule, they're certainly welcome.
and the truth shall set u free
Quoting 219. Neapolitan:

Best I can recall is that certain cliques became cults of personality, effectively rendering the forum nearly useless--especially during times of heavy tropical activity--by repeated posting of lame "humor", the same dozen or so images, sniping, and very little of value to anyone but themselves and their sub-groups. I don't think I'm alone in decreeing this forum a far better place without them. Of course, many of those so "purged" have come back in a more mature, less cantankerous form, and that's okay; so long as they realize this forum isn't their own kindergarten sandbox to rule, they're certainly welcome.
and the truth shall set u free
Quoting 218. FBMinFL:



HA. That's a suicide mission around these parts. You know that.

There could be a "In Memoriam" list pages long of those that dared post that evil thing, what with its assertions of Peaks and Valleys, and vague references to "100 years" that never changed from year-to-year. It's a wonder not more lost their lives due to that thing.


It was a brave, brave year for blog posters.
Quoting TheBigBanana:
There are a bunch of posts on the admin blog by people who've been members a long time angry about classic going away. Some of them are posting derp in here because they are pissed off. At least that's what I think is going on. On days like this it's hard to take wunderground seriously.


That is the appropriate place for members to post their opinions on the conclusion of the Classic version.
Opinions about the New Version or the Classic version are considered "Off Topic" in this blog.
Quoting 185. StormTrackerScott:

Eric Blake @EricBlake12 · 17h 17 hours ago
Central Florida into the record heat too-- warmest last 45 days at both Orlando and Daytona Beach as well! #flwx

Naples has been above average every day this month, as it was 27 of March's 31 days. In fact, Naples has been warmer than normal on all but five of the past 54 days.
Quoting 200. Xyrus2000:



So your refuting the science because people are acting stupid? How does that even logically follow?

Smoking is bad for you. There's a thousand studies on all the nasty things that smoking does to the human body. We have big giant warnings on packs, big billboards plastered with pictures of how bad it is, commercials of emphysema patients hooked up to oxygen tanks or with holes in their throats telling us how bad it is.

And yet millions still smoke. By your reasoning then, smoking must be good for you and all those scientists are crackpots.


Not only that, but thanks to all the money flowing in from excise taxes on cigarettes there are governments that literally rely on the money smoking generates. So on the one hand you have public health officials trying to eradicate smoking. On the other you have actuaries running the numbers and looking for the optimal tax point where not too many people smoke, but where enough continue to smoke that the budgets aren't affected.

Long way of saying my goodness, if we start denying global warming on the grounds that humanity's response to it has been checkered and irrational, then we might as well deny existence. Somebody near me recently drove around a closed railroad gate crossing and got hit by an oncoming train. I guess that proves getting hit by a train isn't harmful to your health?
Quoting 219. Neapolitan:

Best I can recall is that certain cliques became cults of personality, effectively rendering the forum nearly useless--especially during times of heavy tropical activity--by repeated posting of lame "humor", the same dozen or so images, sniping, and very little of value to anyone but themselves and their sub-groups. I don't think I'm alone in decreeing this forum a far better place without them. Of course, many of those so "purged" have come back in a more mature, less cantankerous form, and that's okay; so long as they realize this forum isn't their own kindergarten sandbox to rule, they're certainly welcome.
what makes me laugh is how they used their so called members to do their dirty work for them that shows how smart they really are or were
234. jpsb
Quoting 200. Xyrus2000:



So your refuting the science because people are acting stupid? How does that even logically follow?

Smoking is bad for you. There's a thousand studies on all the nasty things that smoking does to the human body. We have big giant warnings on packs, big billboards plastered with pictures of how bad it is, commercials of emphysema patients hooked up to oxygen tanks or with holes in their throats telling us how bad it is.

And yet millions still smoke. By your reasoning then, smoking must be good for you and all those scientists are crackpots.


No I am saying that
if the goal is to reduce green house gas emissions
then the USA should not dig up coal here and ship it to China to be burned there.

I am having a hard time understanding the objection to my pointing out a real means of curbing OUR contribution to atmospheric CO2.
Quoting 219. Neapolitan:

Best I can recall is that certain cliques became cults of personality, effectively rendering the forum nearly useless--especially during times of heavy tropical activity--by repeated posting of lame "humor", the same dozen or so images, sniping, and very little of value to anyone but themselves and their sub-groups. I don't think I'm alone in decreeing this forum a far better place without them. Of course, many of those so "purged" have come back in a more mature, less cantankerous form, and that's okay; so long as they realize this forum isn't their own kindergarten sandbox to rule, they're certainly welcome.


A dozen images. That's being generous! I do decree, too, that this here forum is far, far better place without them. The personal attacks, hijacking of topic, obsession over specific posters, commenting tit-for-tat, and related Rules of Road non-conformity is at an all-time low (dating back to 1980, or 1998, depending on your personal preference).

I, too, hope those that venture back will respect the Utopia of civil discord that this forum now offers.
Er, ahh, scuse em wah but Coal is freely traded commodity last I checked bro.

it aint illegal to sell,it aint uranium pellets,

Not yet..but were gonna get dere .



Quoting Neapolitan:
Naples has been above average every day this month, as it was 27 of March's 31 days. In fact, Naples has been warmer than normal on all but five of the past 54 days.


With only .11" of precipitation for April and 3.2" for the year.
Seems like itsa gonna be another "classic" wu Friday here.....,Hmmmm?
Quoting 226. ILwthrfan:



All of the red bud trees are in bloom here in Illinois. It's been in the 70's everyday for the past week. Only a morning shower or two then nothing but sun for the rest of the day....perfect.

It's definitely been photogenic.


Sounds gorgeous.
Gee, I take one morning off and the place is invaded by "petrolls".

Thanks to all who have answered the bizarre and baseless accusations and ignorance directed at climate science.
Quoting 242. TIPUPTOWNUSA:

I am a PAID member and DO NOT appreciate your ADVERTISING BANNERS on my weather page suggesting subscribers take action regarding GLOBAL WARMING, CLIMATE CHANGE OR WHAT EVER HYPE YOU'RE CURRENTLY PUSHING ( CEO'S URGING ACTION IN 2015.... blah, blah, blah. KEEP IT OFF MY FAVORITES PAGE. I didn't pay for this kind of brain washing by you people.

bye.
Quoting 242. TIPUPTOWNUSA:
I am a PAID member and DO NOT appreciate your ADVERTISING BANNERS on my weather page suggesting subscribers take action regarding GLOBAL WARMING, CLIMATE CHANGE OR WHAT EVER HYPE YOU'RE CURRENTLY PUSHING ( CEO'S URGING ACTION IN 2015.... blah, blah, blah. KEEP IT OFF MY FAVORITES PAGE. I didn't pay for this kind of brain washing by you people.

Are you trying to censor Dr. Masters? Do you honestly think the five bucks per annum confers such powers?
RECORD EVENT REPORT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MIAMI, FL
451 AM EDT FRI APR 17 2015

...RECORD HIGH MINIMUM TEMPERATURE BROKEN AT NAPLES...

THE MINIMUM TEMPERATURE AT NAPLES MUNICIPAL AIRPORT YESTERDAY APRIL
16 WAS 72 DEGREES FAHRENHEIT. THIS BREAKS THE RECORD OF 71F SET IN
2011.

RECORD EVENT REPORT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MIAMI, FL
0447 AM EDT FRI APR 17 2015

...RECORD HIGH MINIMUM TEMPERATURE TIED AT MIAMI...

THE TEMPERATURE AT MIAMI INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT ONLY DIPPED TO 76
DEGREES FAHRENHEIT YESTERDAY...APRIL 16TH. THIS TIES THE DAILY
RECORD FOR HIGHEST MINIMUM TEMPERATURE FOR THE MIAMI AREA...SET IN
1994.
Michael Ventrice retweeted
Eric Blake @EricBlake12 · 37m 37 minutes ago

@MJVentrice top panel shows the uniform temps seen now-- but in a couple weeks when the Oceanic KW surfaces... boom
251. jpsb
A nation is entitled to pursue industrial policies it thinks are in it's best interests. In the 70's the USA instutituted a ban on exporting oil

Are U.S. companies really banned from exporting oil?

Yes—for the most part. The relevant laws here date back to the 1975 Energy Policy and Conservation Act, which directed the president to ban crude oil exports except in select circumstances.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2 014/01/08/u-s-oil-exports-have-been-banned-for-40- years-is-it-time-for-that-to-change/

Export bans are not uncommon, and if the USA was serious about curbing green house gas emissions then the USA would ban exporting coal. I am amazed that the most vocal proponents of AGW insist that we continue to ship hundreds of millions of tons of dirty coal to China. Do you think the CO2 released burning coal stays in China?

BTW I am all for implementing an export ban on coal (phased in of course), I am surprised the AGW people oppose me on this.
People can call me a denier for global warming. I just don't believe global warming exists. just weather patterns changes and cycles our planet is going through.
Quoting 252. zomibe:

People can call me a denier for global warming. I just don't believe global warming exists. just weather patterns changes and cycles our planet is going through.

Study some, then, you really don't have to do 'belief'. There's physics and evidence see.
Best werk on those obs skills as I see no where here where anyone suggested we stop exporting Coal bro.

It matters NOT where it is burned, as it ALL goes into the only Biosphere we have.

24/7/365.
Wanted to make a quick comment on the local weather...The scene outside has definitely been coming to life for the past two weeks now thanks to nice spring temperatures.It rained this morning and a few showers are still possible throughout the day.We're suppose to hit 80 tomorrow so I'm gonna take the kids to the pool early because I know it's going to be crowded (its a indoor pool for those wondering).

Later...
CO2's ability to ABSORB LONG WAVE RADIATION is not AFFECTED by any single Human, or Humans en masse, "belief's".

Try the Phish, it is fresh on Friday here.

Its a classic thang.
Quoting 252. zomibe:
People can call me a denier for global warming. I just don't believe global warming exists. just weather patterns changes and cycles our planet is going through.

Everyone is free to believe exactly and precisely what they want to believe. That's as it should be.

What people are not free to do is expect no opposition when they assert that their belief trumps science in the real world.
Quoting 255. washingtonian115:
Wanted to make a quick comment on the local weather...The scene outside has definitely been coming to life for the past two weeks now thanks to nice spring temperatures.It rained this morning and a few showers are still possible throughout the day.We're suppose to hit 80 tomorrow so I'm gonna take the kids to the pool early because I know it's going to be crowded (its a indoor pool for those wondering).

Later...


I don't believe in weather. I only believe in transient expressions of climate.

Sorry for using your post like that. It was a joke with a point.
Quoting 251. jpsb:

BTW I am all for implementing an export ban on coal (phased in of course), I am surprised the AGW people oppose me on this.



Has anyone on this blog ever taken a position on coal export bans?
lets just say "global warming" is real,confirmed..now just how many countries around the world will all come together and do what Must be done to curb it?.....yeah right..its not going to happen so whatever this warming does to the earth we'll just have to get used to and live with the changes that come..period...all this discussing pro and con wont help any, no one is going to do anything about it..except..some making more money out of it...just my take on it.
Quoting 251. jpsb:
A nation is entitled to pursue industrial policies it thinks are in it's best interests. In the 70's the USA instutituted a ban on exporting oil

Are U.S. companies really banned from exporting oil?

Yes—for the most part. The relevant laws here date back to the 1975 Energy Policy and Conservation Act, which directed the president to ban crude oil exports except in select circumstances.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2 014/01/08/u-s-oil-exports-have-been-banned-for-40- years-is-it-time-for-that-to-change/

Export bans are not uncommon, and if the USA was serious about curbing green house gas emissions then the USA would ban exporting coal. I am amazed that the most vocal proponents of AGW insist that we continue to ship hundreds of millions of tons of dirty coal to China. Do you think the CO2 released burning coal stays in China?

BTW I am all for implementing an export ban on coal (phased in of course), I am surprised the AGW people oppose me on this.

I don't think they oppose a ban, quite the contrary. What they oppose is when that lack of ban is used to imply that there isn't an AGW problem.
Quoting 261. LargoFl:
lets just say "global warming" is real,confirmed..now just how many countries around the world will all come together and do what Must be done to curb it?.....yeah right..its not going to happen so whatever this warming does to the earth we'll just have to get used to and live with the changes that come..period...all this discussing pro and con wont help any, no one is going to do anything about it..except..some making more money out of it...just my take on it.

What are your ideas on how to adapt to no food or water?
Pat - I think it does matter where it's burned. If China doesn't have the same regs we do, then air quality goes down. However, if we're exporting to countries that need the fuel, but can't afford better systems to burn it cleaner, then that's a conundrum. I do understand what you are saying in regards to 'one planet, one atmosphere', though.

jpsb - please don't think that just because many of us acknowledge AGW/climate change is occurring, that we all agree on what should be done about it. I think the fighting over that will be much worse than the fighting over AGW/CC facts.

And on a side note, I'm not a fan of blowing up mountain tops, so there's that as well...
Just say?

Confirmed ?

You believe it is a debatable issue.

That ship sailed over a decade ago,

EASILY.

: )
267. jpsb
Quoting 260. MaineGuy:



Has anyone on this blog ever taken a position on coal export bans?


Yes, most here wish to continue sending millions of tons of coal to China so Chinese coal plants can continue to pump CO2 into the atmosphere. I don't, I liked to see a phased reduction of coal exports. My reasons are two fold, first there is only so much coal in the ground so I'd like to see us conserve it for our own uses. second to reduce atmospheric pollutions.
Quoting 207. cRRKampen:


See, NativeSun - accusations of fraud & malfeasance, complottery, even 'brainwashing' (see the DPRK), 'ruse' - all this needs to be cut away or else kicked about rudely because the rudeness starts with climate revisionists and we are now sick and tired of over 15 years of abuse.

If you really think the northeast part of the US is 'global', then please rack off now, indeed - say goodbye and DO goodbye.
The northern hemisphere winter of 2014-15 was the second hottest on record (2006-07 remains #1).
Globally it was the warmest on record.
The 'stuck pattern syndrome' that had the NE of the US in the downward branch of the circumpolar jet for such a long time is caused by the warming, particularly the Arctic Amplification part, resulting in a small patch of anomaly to the cool (not even record, of course).
Exactly. I nearly doubled my already extensive "ignore" list today. As much as I love the science and information that you, Naga, Nea, LAbonbon and others put on the site in response to these people, it may be best to just ignore them. It's obvious that they are here to nettle, not to learn. I get tired of typing '[redacted]' all the time.
There are both sides when it comes to global warming. I must say that when weighing both sides it just doesn't exist!
Quoting 260. MaineGuy:



Has anyone on this blog ever taken a position on coal export bans?

I like this question. And I'm in.
Quoting 268. SouthTampa:

Exactly. I nearly doubled my already extensive "ignore" list today. As much as I love the science and information that you, Naga, Nea, LAbonbon and others put on the site in response to these people, it may be best to just ignore them. It's obvious that they are here to nettle, not to learn. I get tired of typing '[redacted]' all the time.

Once in a while I will confront them.
For sanity of us & blog ignore is best of course.
Quoting 178. Xandra:


This animated GIF shows landmark moments that happened during the warmest and coldest years in modern record.

Credit

NASA's Global Climate Change website
Quoting 267. jpsb:



Yes, most here wish to continue sending millions of tons of coal to China so Chinese coal plants can continue to pump CO2 into the atmosphere. I don't, I liked to see a phased reduction of coal exports. My reasons are two fold, first there is only so much coal in the ground so I'd like to see us conserve it for our own uses. second to reduce atmospheric pollutions.


No we don't. That straw man must have been difficult to build. I think the overwhelming majority of us want to see an immediate weening off fossil fuels coupled with an increase in sustainable energy production. Attempting to "other" us by creating our position, defining it as wrong, then defining yours as right is pure dishonesty.
Quoting 267. jpsb:



Yes, most here wish to continue sending millions of tons of coal to China so Chinese coal plants can continue to pump CO2 into the atmosphere.


I'm not the closest reader of this blog but I have been a lurker for years. I don't recall ever seeing anyone express that opinion. Nor does that opinion seem in any way consistent with the typically reasonable and informed positions the "pro-AGW" crowd otherwise usually take. Why would anyone who is concerned about global warming want China to pump more CO2 into the atmosphere?
Quoting 261. LargoFl:

lets just say "global warming" is real,confirmed..now just how many countries around the world will all come together and do what Must be done to curb it?.....yeah right..its not going to happen so whatever this warming does to the earth we'll just have to get used to and live with the changes that come..period...all this discussing pro and con wont help any, no one is going to do anything about it..except..some making more money out of it...just my take on it.

The blog post today is a good example of high-powered individuals trying to do something about it. The U.S. meeting with China, the upcoming COP21 (discussed in the blog post), and Pope Francis' upcoming encyclical on climate change and the environment are also good examples. It's better to make the effort now, than to throw in the towel, IMHO.
Quoting 261. LargoFl:

lets just say "global warming" is real,confirmed..now just how many countries around the world will all come together and do what Must be done to curb it?.....yeah right..its not going to happen so whatever this warming does to the earth we'll just have to get used to and live with the changes that come..period...all this discussing pro and con wont help any, no one is going to do anything about it..except..some making more money out of it...just my take on it.


I sadly agree with you. Humans have shown repeatedly throughout recorded history the inability to do what is best for the species on anything more than a very limited, short term basis.
Those Heartland MEME Jedi Mind tricks have no power over the learned is my responce to jpsb inane attempts to mold a group view to skew reality.

This aint FOX NEWS nor a GOP event.

278. jpsb
Quoting 265. LAbonbon:




I forgot about the stripe mining, there is my third reason I'd like a coal export ban.

Well it seems to me that a coal export ban is a no brainier for reducing our contribution to atmospheric CO2.
Quoting 277. Patrap:

Those Heartland MEME Jedi Mind tricks have no power over the learned is my responce to jpsb inane attempts to mold a group view to skew reality.

This aint FOX NEWS nor a GOP event.





Hey now, there are a handful of conservatives on here who knows the climate's changing. ;)
No, in reality its the Total Human consumption of cheap dirty fuel, a finite fuel to power great emerging and already International Societies that demand it.

Thats the reality of Fossil Fuel use.

It is BAD for the Human condition as we are now in the midst of a great dying, on Land, Air and in the sea's.

Quoting 280. Patrap:

No, in reality its the Total Human consumption of cheap dirty fuel, a finite fuel to power great emerging and already International Societies that demand it.

Thats the reality of Fossil Fuel use.

It is BAD for the Human condition as we are now in the midst of a great dying, on Land, Air and in the sea's.


and she best get on with it time is running short
while many wait for a strong el nino........the southern oscilation......the second part of el nino.....still refuses to cooperate.....falling still from it's el nino like lows.....or should i say climbing....the thirty day running value is at -6...once again above the el nino threshold
Quoting 279. TimTheWxMan:



Hey now, there are a handful of conservatives on here who knows the climate's changing. ;)


Indeed, so I defer to the sensible conservatives and others who realize the Human delimma is a pressing matter.

It is a great matter, as it is the greatest obstacle we have to correct fast for the future.
Quoting 252. zomibe:

People can call me a denier for global warming. I just don't believe global warming exists. just weather patterns changes and cycles our planet is going through.

Quoting 275. LAbonbon:


The blog post today is a good example of high-powered individuals trying to do something about it. The U.S. meeting with China, the upcoming COP21 (discussed in the blog post), and Pope Francis' upcoming encyclical on climate change and the environment are also good examples. It's better to make the effort now, than to throw in the towel, IMHO.
unless the whole human race gets on board, its just not going to happen, and there are many scientists saying is the sun itself that is the problem..mars is in global warming state..no martians there producing massive amounts of CO2 there..its the sun and some scientists are observing it going into a solar minimum..if that verifies..oh boy
LoL
Climate Change Denial Disorder

“Does your parent, grandparent or political representative suffer from climate change denial disorder? CCDD is a rapidly spreading disease that, world health officials say, if left untreated, could destroy the entire planet.”

Quoting 160. WeatherBAC:

Hey does anyone know how to change your password on the WU member settings if you can't remember your current password?


Hey, I hate to be kind of a stickler on this but could someone please help me?
Quoting Naga5000:


No we don't. That straw man must have been difficult to build. I think the overwhelming majority of us want to see an immediate weening off fossil fuels coupled with an increase in sustainable energy production. Attempting to "other" us by creating our position, defining it as wrong, then defining yours as right is pure dishonesty.


I was recently reading an article in a car magazine about certain car companies actually slowing production and delaying the future release date for some of their new higher efficient vehicles (electric/hybrids) because of the recent drop in fuel costs.

The mentality was why not get a V8 under the hood of your pickup truck because gas prices are low and isn't that what most people want anyways?

you have to love google.....yes i know ms doom...that just because you can goole something it doesn't make you smarter....but i wanted to know what it took..for tornadoes to be called an outbreak.....as a blogger posted yesterday....we would see no outbreaks for at least two weeks and probably longer.....now before...this would have taken at least a phone call to our local met office.....or a trip to the library and digging through books...but in today's modern world.......googling it returns this information from the most untrustworthy of sites....wiki

Tornado outbreak
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
For the video game, see Tornado Outbreak (video game).
A tornado outbreak is the occurrence of multiple tornadoes spawned by the same synoptic scale weather system.[1] The number of tornadoes required to qualify as an outbreak typically are at least six to ten.[2][3]


yesterday we had 12 tornado reports
Quoting 278. jpsb:



I forgot about the stripe mining, there is my third reason I'd like a coal export ban.

Well it seems to me that a coal export ban is a no brainier for reducing our contribution to atmospheric CO2.


Also an oil ban, wood products ban , air travel ban, anything that requires electricity to produce ban, pretty much all of current human existence, including breathing (guess we gotta ban that too) can be linked to atmospheric CO2.

Banning overseas shipments of coal from the United States to China does not even begin to address the root of the problem (although it feels good). I am fat and enjoy French fries. If I stop getting drive through fries from Wendy's (but only from Wendy's) and then think I'm really making great strides toward a healthy lifestyle, then I am just kidding myself.

If renewable energy sources (that are not carbon based) can price coal out of existence, THAT is an example of getting to the root cause. Kind of like if completely substitute broccoli for said fries.
Its NOT the Sun as that meme is so repeated its engrained on many low brow Memory Noodles seems.

It would also be almost funny if it wasn't so sad actually.



Global surface temperature (top, blue) and the Sun's energy received at the top of Earth's atmosphere (red, bottom). Solar energy has been measured by satellites since 1978.




The amount of solar energy received at the top of our atmosphere has followed its natural 11-year cycle of small ups and downs, but with no net increase. Over the same period, global temperature has risen markedly. This indicates that it is extremely unlikely that solar influence has been a significant driver of global temperature change over several decades.
293. jpsb
Quoting 274. MaineGuy:



I'm not the closest reader of this blog but I have been a lurker for years. I don't recall ever seeing anyone express that opinion. Nor does that opinion seem in any way consistent with the typically reasonable and informed positions the "pro-AGW" crowd otherwise usually take. Why would anyone who is concerned about global warming want China to pump more CO2 into the atmosphere?


well you could ask the blog if they would support an export ban on coal, I've already said I would and given my reasons why I would.
Quoting 288. WeatherBAC:



Hey could someone please help me?
I don't know how, maybe you should email support

Link

They've been pretty responsive to me in the past, but they may be inundated from the 'classic' admin blog punch list.
Quoting 288. WeatherBAC:



Hey could someone please help me?
help@wunderground.com
I have to be honest. I'm severely disappointed in Weather Underground for using such an antiquated phrase like 'Global Warming'. Given that we have educated scientists running this website I would have thought we were beyond that. Yes, it is technically an issue of global warming, but that phrase has been perverted by the skeptics and turned into a phrase to be scoffed at. By using the phrase 'global warming' you open yourself up to asinine arguments the likes of which Senator Inhoff likes to use, pointing at snow and asking where's your warming now.
297. jpsb
Quoting 274. MaineGuy:



I'm not the closest reader of this blog but I have been a lurker for years. I don't recall ever seeing anyone express that opinion. Nor does that opinion seem in any way consistent with the typically reasonable and informed positions the "pro-AGW" crowd otherwise usually take. Why would anyone who is concerned about global warming want China to pump more CO2 into the atmosphere?


well you could ask the blog if they would support an export ban on coal, I've already said I would and given reasons why I would. Thus far my suggestion of a ban has not been received well. Maybe you will have better luck. You know the old kill messenger thing.
@NOAA
JUST IN: March 2015 was warmest March in 136 yrs for the globe, per @NOAANCDC #StateOfClimate http://1.usa.gov/1b15tQI

Quoting 290. ricderr:

you have to love google.....yes i know ms doom...that just because you can goole something it doesn't make you smarter....but i wanted to know what it took..for tornadoes to be called an outbreak.....as a blogger posted yesterday....we would see no outbreaks for at least two weeks and probably longer.....now before...this would have taken at least a phone call to our local met office.....or a trip to the library and digging through books...but in today's modern world.......googling it returns this information from the most untrustworthy of sites....wiki

Tornado outbreak
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
For the video game, see Tornado Outbreak (video game).
A tornado outbreak is the occurrence of multiple tornadoes spawned by the same synoptic scale weather system.[1] The number of tornadoes required to qualify as an outbreak typically are at least six to ten.[2][3]


yesterday we had 12 tornado reports



A few of those were duplicates, like the one near Refugio.
Quoting 273. Naga5000:



No we don't. That straw man must have been difficult to build. I think the overwhelming majority of us want to see an immediate weening off fossil fuels coupled with an increase in sustainable energy production. Attempting to "other" us by creating our position, defining it as wrong, then defining yours as right is pure dishonesty.


Apparently he missed your previous post that the Chinese cut coal imports last year and the news that they plan to cut coal consumption by more than 160 million tonnes by 2020. Some people just post from the hip and hope there's no fact checking.
Quoting 288. WeatherBAC:



Hey, I hate to be kind of a stickler on this but could someone please help me?


Try this page, has a "Forgot Your Password" on the upper right. Use at your own risk.


Edit: You have to sign out to use that page.
A few of those were duplicates, like the one near Refugio.

that's why i stated reports...will wait for the exact count by noaa.....still....it would appear...yesterday falls into the classification of an outbreak
Quoting 289. Sfloridacat5:



I was recently reading an article in a car magazine about certain car companies actually slowing production and delaying the future release date for some of their new higher efficient vehicles (electric/hybrids) because of the recent drop in fuel costs.

The mentality was why not get a V8 under the hood of your pickup truck because gas prices are low and isn't that what most people want anyways?




Here is my line of thinking: Buy a fuel efficient car, use the money saved from low gas prices to buy more insulation, better windows and a more fuel efficient heating system for my house. That way, when the price of fuel eventually goes through the roof (like in about seven years when the fracking boom up in North Dakota collapses), I can heat my house comfortably with a couple gallons of oil or better yet, sunlight and one log in the woodstove. My neighbor with the huge truck (that they now can't afford to drive) will sit and shiver in their crappily insulated, drafty house that they can't afford to heat.

By they way, I recently spent $35 dollars to but a used, steel exterior door for my house that is completely filled with foam insulation and has a triple pane window. This replaces the old wooden door, with the single pane window. So, for less than the cost of one tank of fuel for my car, I will save many times that in the coming years.
Quoting 251. jpsb:

A nation is entitled to pursue industrial policies it thinks are in it's best interests. In the 70's the USA instutituted a ban on exporting oil

Are U.S. companies really banned from exporting oil?

Yes—for the most part. The relevant laws here date back to the 1975 Energy Policy and Conservation Act, which directed the president to ban crude oil exports except in select circumstances.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2 014/01/08/u-s-oil-exports-have-been-banned-for-40- years-is-it-time-for-that-to-change/

Export bans are not uncommon, and if the USA was serious about curbing green house gas emissions then the USA would ban exporting coal. I am amazed that the most vocal proponents of AGW insist that we continue to ship hundreds of millions of tons of dirty coal to China. Do you think the CO2 released burning coal stays in China?

BTW I am all for implementing an export ban on coal (phased in of course), I am surprised the AGW people oppose me on this.


Fine, you can start by making your views known to Mitch McConnel. I'm sure he will be easily persuaded.
Quoting 298. TropicalAnalystwx13:
@NOAA
JUST IN: March 2015 was warmest March in 136 yrs for the globe, per @NOAANCDC #StateOfClimate http://1.usa.gov/1b15tQI



Good thing I'm in Maryland. No heat for me! :D
Quoting 297. jpsb:



well you could ask the blog if they would support an export ban on coal, I've already said I would and given reasons why I would. Thus far my suggestion of a ban has not been received well. Maybe you will have better luck. You know the old kill messenger thing.


You're saying two different things. You're making logically poor arguments and then, when other posters criticize your reasoning, you're using that criticism to suggest that posters are disagreeing with the underlying factual premise of whatever hypothesis you're using instead. It means that your "point" is actually a moving target. Whether A) a phased-in ban on exports of coal to China is a good idea or not is entirely different than whether B) global warming is a genuine problem that has known and unknown dangers for civilization. You can have an opinion about B without having any opinion on A, and vice versa.
401.52.

Quoting 301. nrtiwlnvragn:



Try this page, has a "Forgot Your Password" on the upper right. Use at your own risk.


Edit: You have to sign out to use that page.


Thank you, I fixed the problem.
And so begins the first round of storms for the day.

My severe weather blog is always open and ready as always. Severe weather is starting to pop.
Link
Quoting 269. upstateny:

There are both sides when it comes to global warming. I must say that when weighing both sides it just doesn't exist!

You lurked on this site for almost 11 years, and made THAT your first comment?
Quoting 267. jpsb:



Yes, most here wish to continue sending millions of tons of coal to China so Chinese coal plants can continue to pump CO2 into the atmosphere. I don't, I liked to see a phased reduction of coal exports. My reasons are two fold, first there is only so much coal in the ground so I'd like to see us conserve it for our own uses. second to reduce atmospheric pollutions.


What an egregious statment!! If you don't know what it means, look it up. Blanket comments of such undocumented, outrageous comments really don't have a place in any science based discussion.
Funny how many of the CEO's that support this would benefit from more regulations and "green" energy. Just to name a few companies - Vestas Wind Systems, Solvay, Phillips Lighting, AkzoNobel, Enel, Dong Energy, Danfos, Dow Chemical... and of the banks and investment companies... how many have invested in the other companies?

What a joke, it's not about reducing CO2.... it's about making money
Quoting tlawson48:


Here is my line of thinking: Buy a fuel efficient car, use the money saved from low gas prices to buy more insulation, better windows and a more fuel efficient heating system for my house. That way, when the price of fuel eventually goes through the roof (like in about seven years when the fracking boom up in North Dakota collapses), I can heat my house comfortably with a couple gallons of oil or better yet, sunlight and one log in the woodstove. My neighbor with the huge truck (that they now can't afford to drive) will sit and shiver in their crappily insulated, drafty house that they can't afford to heat.

By they way, I recently spent $35 dollars to but a used, steel exterior door for my house that is completely filled with foam insulation and has a triple pane window. This replaces the old wooden door, with the single pane window. So, for less than the cost of one tank of fuel for my car, I will save many times that in the coming years.


Yeah, that would be the smart path. But you can picture a room full of corporate big wigs telling their production managers to delay the production and release date for future products because they think their low mileage V8 engines will sell better in the current market.


We're currently getting our roof redone with added isolation, especially over the garage. We already use solar panels to heat the water heater.
Good Day. My broad comment on the issue of the current Blog and CEO issue (whether anyone agrees or disagrees is irrelevant to me).

We did not know, from a scientific standpoint, at the inception of the industrial revolution in Europe and the US (with other Nations following in recent decades across the Globe) that the byproduct (from emissions and pervasive fossil fuel burning, etc) would result in the current impacts related to global warming issues around the world.

Now that the science has shown us otherwise, it is incumbent upon the industrial nations (and CEOs) to take action to reduce the emissions; whether on a voluntary basis vis-a-vis corporate re-direction (if the boards/shareholders go along with it), or through government intervention and legislation.

The real issue on the table, IMHO, is whether we only care about the short-term benefits (continued profit-benefit from current fossil fuel based economies) and continue to kick the can around, or actually become serious about leaving a better planet behind for our future generations.

I would suggest that the major polluters in the world (whether corporate or government) have a moral obligation to take action now.
317. jpsb
Quoting 291. tlawson48:



Also an oil ban, wood products ban , air travel ban, anything that requires electricity to produce ban, pretty much all of current human existence, including breathing (guess we gotta ban that too) can be linked to atmospheric CO2.

Banning overseas shipments of coal from the United States to China does not even begin to address the root of the problem (although it feels good). I am fat and enjoy French fries. If I stop getting drive through fries from Wendy's (but only from Wendy's) and then think I'm really making great strides toward a healthy lifestyle, then I am just kidding myself.

If renewable energy sources (that are not carbon based) can price coal out of existence, THAT is an example of getting to the root cause. Kind of like if completely substitute broccoli for said fries.

The topic today is AGW is real, 97% agree so rather then debate that lets assume (Yeah I know) that the 97% are correct. What are we going to do about it? I have a few ideas :)

*I am already down for export ban on coal, (oil exports are already banned)
*All non essential travel via FF burning personnel transport devise should also be banned.
*All non essential travel via aircraft should be banned
*All coal fired power plants should be phased out within 5 years.
*Make burning wood a criminal offense, ban the possession of a functional wood burning stove.
*All house holds should be given a monthly allotment of electricity, once used power is cut.
*Dido commercial business and industrial business.
*Build nuclear power plants to replace FF plants
*Phase out all FF plants within 15 years
*implement a 1 child policy and greatly reduce immigration.


well there is a beginning of a list. I don't like wind power since wind power slices and dices birds.
large scale solar fries birds so since I like birds I'm not a big fan of that either. Nor do I like turning food into fuel (I like to eat).
Quoting 314. freundlt:
Funny how many of the CEO's that support this would benefit from more regulations and "green" energy. Just to name a few companies - Vestas Wind Systems, Solvay, Phillips Lighting, AkzoNobel, Enel, Dong Energy, Danfos, Dow Chemical... and of the banks and investment companies... how many have invested in the other companies?

What a joke, it's not about reducing CO2.... it's about making money

^Vacuous post is vacuous.^
Quoting 317. jpsb:

Yes, the alternative to AGW is fascism...not.
Thanx for that concise, jovial and indeed learned statement.

Turn right at the end of the Hall,

The Dr. will be in shortly to see you.
Quoting Sfloridacat5:


Yup. Look at day 2...


...and day 3

On the CEO list, I will be more impressed when I see CEOs from the major oil production and utilities companies on the list.
Quoting 320. Arkydavid1969:


Please refer to posts #133, #102, and #88.
SEVERE WEATHER STATEMENT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE SAN ANGELO TX
1042 AM CDT FRI APR 17 2015

TXC151-253-171600-
/O.CON.KSJT.SV.W.0034.000000T0000Z-150417T1600Z/
FISHER TX-JONES TX-
1042 AM CDT FRI APR 17 2015

...A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT FOR WESTERN JONES
AND EASTERN FISHER COUNTIES UNTIL 1100 AM CDT...

AT 1039 AM CDT...A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WAS LOCATED 6 MILES NORTH OF
NOODLE...AND MOVING NORTHEAST AT 25 MPH.

HAZARD...60 MPH WIND GUSTS AND QUARTER SIZE HAIL.

SOURCE...RADAR INDICATED.

IMPACT...HAIL DAMAGE TO VEHICLES IS EXPECTED. EXPECT WIND DAMAGE TO
ROOFS...SIDING AND TREES.

THE SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WILL BE NEAR...
NEINDA AROUND 1055 AM CDT.

OTHER LOCATIONS IN THE WARNING INCLUDE THE INTERSECTION OF US-180 AND
RANCH ROAD 126.

LAT...LON 3295 9980 3252 10004 3254 10046 3297 10031
3297 10009
TIME...MOT...LOC 1542Z 210DEG 19KT 3270 10006

TORNADO...POSSIBLE
HAIL...1.00IN
WIND...60MPH

$$
Quoting 296. seymour47:

I have to be honest. I'm severely disappointed in Weather Underground for using such an antiquated phrase like 'Global Warming'. Given that we have educated scientists running this website I would have thought we were beyond that. Yes, it is technically an issue of global warming, but that phrase has been perverted by the skeptics and turned into a phrase to be scoffed at. By using the phrase 'global warming' you open yourself up to asinine arguments the likes of which Senator Inhoff likes to use, pointing at snow and asking where's your warming now.


Since we're warming and it's global.. yep.. Don't see the sense in that phrase.
Quoting 324. weathermanwannabe:

On the CEO list, I will be more impressed when I see CEOs from the major oil production and utilities companies on the list.

I was wondering about oil and gas companies, so I looked up some of the world's largest for their statements and positions on climate change. A summary can be found in post #102.
When the oil runs out..and the coal.

It will still warm for another 500-1000 years.


Were not going to react fast enough as the critical 350ppm was breached in 88'.

Now the whiplash Hydra headed weather we have created is going to rule the roost.

The forcings by man, easily outweigh any natural ones.

Welcome to the Anthropocene.


Congratulations Earth dwellers.







Quoting 320. Arkydavid1969:
GLOBAL WARMING What a bunch of BS. Brainwashed people WAKE UP!

Serious question: Have you ever read any of the science, as opposed to what people say about the science? Or even just an abstract like this (randomly chosen).
Quoting 155. tlawson48:

I will rain on everybody's parade. Regardless of whether or not you believe in Climate Change, if you believe in Climate Change, but don't believe it is influenced by human activity, or if you are a whole hearted believer that Climate Change is occurring and is heavily influenced by humans, but don't believe that it is economically or technologically feasible to do anything about it, the end result for the species is going to be exactly the same: misery, fear, pain and death. It is a criminal dis-service to ignore, deny or sugar coat the outcomes that Climate Change will cause for humans if the current status quo is maintained.


Link

This is a great old video from 2007 that simplifies for all...



MESOSCALE DISCUSSION 0335
NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
1055 AM CDT FRI APR 17 2015

AREAS AFFECTED...PARTS OF CNTRL AND NRN TEXAS

CONCERNING...SEVERE POTENTIAL...WATCH POSSIBLE

VALID 171555Z - 171800Z

PROBABILITY OF WATCH ISSUANCE...40 PERCENT

SUMMARY...OCCASIONAL SEVERE HAIL IS POSSIBLE IN STRONGEST STORMS
INTO MIDDAY. A WATCH IS NOT CURRENTLY ANTICIPATED IN THE NEAR
TERM...BUT ONE MAY BE NEEDED LATER THIS AFTERNOON.

DISCUSSION...AN INCREASE IN THUNDERSTORM ACTIVITY IS NOW WELL
UNDERWAY WITHIN A PRE-DRYLINE CORRIDOR OF
INSTABILITY...CHARACTERIZED BY MODESTLY STEEP MID-LEVEL LAPSE RATES
AND MIXED LAYER CAPE ON THE ORDER OF 1500+ J/KG...NORTH OF THE
EDWARDS PLATEAU INTO THE VICINITY OF A STALLING OUTFLOW BOUNDARY
OVER NORTHWEST TEXAS. FORCING ON THE FAR SOUTHEASTERN PERIPHERY OF
THE FOUR CORNERS CLOSED LOW MAY BE SUPPORTING THIS
DEVELOPMENT...WHICH COULD BE ACCOMPANIED BY THE RISK FOR OCCASIONAL
SEVERE HAIL INTO THE MIDDAY HOURS.

EAST OF THE DRY LINE...AND SOUTH OF THE OUTFLOW NEAR THE RED
RIVER...DEEP LAYER SHEAR IS RATHER MODEST. WEST SOUTHWESTERLY 25-35
KT DEEP LAYER MEAN FLOW COULD EVENTUALLY CONTRIBUTE TO AN EASTWARD
PROPAGATION TOWARD THE I-35 CORRIDOR OF CENTRAL/NORTH CENTRAL
TEXAS...BUT THIS WILL BE COUNTERED BY AT LEAST INITIALLY STRONGER
INHIBITION STILL PRESENT WITH EASTWARD EXTENT ACROSS THE
REGION...WHICH MAY NOT WEAKEN APPRECIABLY UNTIL LATER THIS
AFTERNOON.

..KERR/HART.. 04/17/2015


ATTN...WFO...FWD...OUN...SJT...LUB...MAF...

LAT...LON 31300096 33020050 33590011 33789943 33079799 31479893
31149992 31300096
Quoting weathermanwannabe:
Good Day. My broad comment on the issue of the current Blog and CEO issue (whether anyone agrees or disagrees is irrelevant to me).

We did not know, from a scientific standpoint, at the inception of the industrial revolution in Europe and the US (with other Nations following in recent decades across the Globe) that the byproduct (from emissions and pervasive fossil fuel burning, etc) would result in the current impacts related to global warming issues around the world.

Now that the science has shown us otherwise, it is incumbent upon the industrial nations (and CEOs) to take action to reduce the emissions; whether on a voluntary basis vis-a-vis corporate re-direction (if the boards/shareholders go along with it), or through government intervention and legislation.

The real issue on the table, IMHO, is whether we only care about the short-term benefits (continued profit-benefit from current fossil fuel based economies) and continue to kick the can around, or actually become serious about leaving a better planet behind for our future generations.

I would suggest that the major polluters in the world (whether corporate or government) have a moral obligation to take action now.


What makes me made are the people who just don't care about the World then live in.

I constantly see people throwing trash out their car windows. That just makes my blood boil. Just the other day I watched a lady open her car door and dump her McDonalds bag full of trash on the road while sitting at a red light.

I just love going to the beach and there are cigarette butts everywhere on the beach. How can someone go to the beach to enjoy the sand, sun, and water and leave a bunch of cigarette butts behind?
Quoting 323. Arkydavid1969:
John Coleman (founder of The Weather Channel) Global Warming Scam https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRQS5RhrwLA

I'm looking forward to his scientific paper supporting his assertion. If none is forthcoming, and it hasn't been thus far, then his assertion can be dismissed as emotional raving.
SHORT TERM...(TODAY THROUGH SUNDAY NIGHT)
ISSUED AT 336 AM CDT FRI APR 17 2015

THE FIRST ISSUE THIS MORNING IS PATCHY DENSE FOG THAT HAS ALREADY
DEVELOPED OVER PORTIONS OF THE AREA AS OF 08Z. LOW CLOUDS ARE
GRADUALLY SPREADING NORTH AND SHOULD COVER MOST OF WEST KENTUCKY
AND SOUTHWEST INDIANA...AND POSSIBLY SOUTHERN PORTIONS OF SOUTHEAST
MISSOURI BEFORE DAYBREAK. IN THESE AREAS ANY DENSE FOG SHOULD BE
PATCHY AND RELATIVELY SHORT-LIVED. FARTHER WEST/NORTHWEST...THE
POTENTIAL EXISTS FOR WIDESPREAD AND PERSISTENT DENSE FOG. WILL PLAN
ON ISSUING AN SPS FOR MOST OF THE AREA SHORTLY...BUT MAY EVENTUALLY
NEED A DENSE FOG ADVISORY...IF THE OBSERVATIONS DICTATE. WILL BE
KEEPING A CLOSE EYE ON THIS SITUATION.

00Z NAM SOUNDINGS INDICATE THAT THERE MAY BE JUST ENOUGH LOW-LEVEL
MOISTURE OVER THE FAR SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE REGION TO SUPPORT A
FEW BRIEF THUNDERSTORMS. DECIDED TO LEAVE A SLIGHT CHANCE POP IN
THAT REGION FROM MID-AFTERNOON THROUGH SUNSET. OTHERWISE...THE
CONSENSUS OF GUIDANCE IS THAT THE REGION WILL BE DRY TODAY AND
TONIGHT.

THE CONSENSUS OF THE 00Z NAM...ECMWF AND ARW/NMM WRFS...AND 03Z
SREF...IS THAT SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS WILL BE SLOWER TO
OVERSPREAD THE REGION SATURDAY. IN FACT...MUCH OF THE AREA TO THE
EAST OF THE MISSISSIPPI RIVER MAY REMAIN DRY THROUGH THE ENTIRE
DAY. THE 00Z GFS IS MORE AGGRESSIVE...BUT WITH FAIRLY LIGHT QPF.
HPC APPARENTLY FAVORS THE GFS AND IT WAS FOLLOWED CLOSELY IN THE
OFFICIAL FORECAST.

STORM TOTALS FROM SATURDAY THROUGH SUNDAY NIGHT ARE GREATER THAN
1.75" OVER THE WESTERN HALF OF THE AREA...WITH 1"-1.5" TO THE
EAST. IT WAS DIFFICULT TO FIND ANY TANGIBLE INSTABILITY...EITHER
SURFACE-BASED OR ELEVATED...OVER THE EAST/NORTHEAST HALF OF THE
REGION THROUGH SUNDAY MORNING...AND THAT PROBABLY EXPLAINS THE
GREATER AMOUNTS ACROSS THE WEST. THIS FORECAST IS MOST LIKELY TOO
WET...ESPECIALLY PRIOR TO 00Z SUNDAY.

ONE IMPACT OF THE SLOWER ONSET/ARRIVAL OF THE CONVECTION
SATURDAY/SATURDAY NIGHT IS THAT IT MAY VERY WELL BE MIDDAY SUNDAY
BEFORE THE LAST OF IT HAS EXITED THE EVANSVILLE TRI STATE REGION.
THIS CALLS INTO QUESTION HOW MUCH DESTABILIZATION WILL BE POSSIBLE
AHEAD OF THE COLD FRONT/PRE-FRONTAL TROUGH THAT IS FORECAST TO
FOCUS MORE ROBUST CONVECTIVE DEVELOPMENT LATE SUNDAY AND SUNDAY
NIGHT.

WIND FIELDS WILL BE STRENGTHENING RAPIDLY SUNDAY AFTERNOON IN
RESPONSE TO THE LARGER-SCALE UPPER-LEVEL TROUGH DESCENDING INTO
THE NORTHERN PLAINS. CERTAINLY CANNOT RULE OUT SEVERE POTENTIAL
LATE SUNDAY AFTERNOON OVER SOUTHEAST MISSOURI AND ELSEWHERE SUNDAY
EVENING. LARGE HAIL AND DAMAGING WINDS WOULD BE POSSIBLE WITH
INDIVIDUAL CELLS EARLY ON...AND THEN DAMAGING WIND WOULD BE THE
MAIN THREAT ONCE IT BECOMES MORE LINEAR INTO THE EVENING.
HOWEVER...GIVEN THE POTENTIAL FOR THE REGION TO MUDDLED UP FROM
MORNING CONVECTION/RAINS...THINK THAT THE SLIGHT TO ENHANCED DAY 3
OUTLOOK FROM SPC MAY BE A BIT RICH AT THIS TIME.

HIGH TEMPERATURES WILL REMAIN AT OR ABOVE NORMAL LEVELS THROUGH
THE WEEKEND...BUT THEY WILL BE MODULATED BY CONVECTIVE TRENDS.
LOWS WILL CONTINUE TO WELL ABOVE NORMAL.
Quoting 255. washingtonian115:

Wanted to make a quick comment on the local weather...The scene outside has definitely been coming to life for the past two weeks now thanks to nice spring temperatures.It rained this morning and a few showers are still possible throughout the day.We're suppose to hit 80 tomorrow so I'm gonna take the kids to the pool early because I know it's going to be crowded (its a indoor pool for those wondering).

Later...


Was going to post that my early spring garden stuff has really jumped the past ten days and Is no longer behind. My goal for lettuce is May 1 and Broccoli, Mothers day. I'm not going to make the latter but first decent garden salad with big crunchy plate sized leaves looks to be about April 25-30.
Quoting 333. Sfloridacat5:


What makes me made are the people who just don't care about the World then live in.

I constantly see people throwing trash out their car windows. That just makes my blood boil. Just the other day I watched a lady open her car door and dump her McDonalds bag full of trash on the road while sitting at a red light.

I just love going to the beach and there are cigarette butts everywhere on the beach. How can someone go to the beach to enjoy the sand, sun, and water and leave a bunch of cigarette butts behind?


BP did the same in the GOM,

24 billion they have spent.


And it still a gummy bear coastline in many marsh and shoreline.
*implement a 1 child policy and greatly reduce immigration.


do you realize...that if we took all the people in the world...they would fit into the space of texas....with a thousand square feet for each
Quoting 323. Arkydavid1969:

John Coleman (founder of The Weather Channel) Global Warming Scam https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRQS5RhrwLA

Here's a pretty detailed response to Coleman's claims and misinformation:

Rebuttal to "The Amazing Story Behind the Global Warming Scam"
Quoting 337. Patrap:



BP did the same in the GOM,

24 billion they have spent.


And it still a gummy bear coastline in many marsh and shoreline.



Not only that, but BP's throwing out all these "feel good" commercials about how they're never going to let deepwater horizon happen again.
Quoting ricderr:
*implement a 1 child policy and greatly reduce immigration.


do you realize...that if we took all the people in the world...they would fit into the space of texas....with a thousand square feet for each


Please don't troll us, Ric.

Mods, please excuse me if I violated something.
Quoting 317. jpsb:


The topic today is AGW is real, 97% agree so rather then debate that lets assume (Yeah I know) that the 97% are correct. What are we going to do about it? I have a few ideas :)

*I am already down for export ban on coal, (oil exports are already banned)
*All non essential travel via FF burning personnel transport devise should also be banned.
*All non essential travel via aircraft should be banned
*All coal fired power plants should be phased out within 5 years.
*Make burning wood a criminal offense, ban the possession of a functional wood burning stove.
*All house holds should be given a monthly allotment of electricity, once used power is cut.
*Dido commercial business and industrial business.
*Build nuclear power plants to replace FF plants
*Phase out all FF plants within 15 years
*implement a 1 child policy and greatly reduce immigration.


well there is a beginning of a list. I don't like wind power since wind power slices and dices birds.
large scale solar fries birds so since I like birds I'm not a big fan of that either. Nor do I like turning food into fuel (I like to eat).


As much as life as we know would suck, I do agree, that type of policy will eventually be implemented in order for the species to survive. Either that or enough people die from the misery that is coming that the few remaining no longer have much of an impact.
Quoting 305. Torito:



Good thing I'm in Maryland. No heat for me! :D


It's coming. I'm not looking forward to it!
Quoting 325. LAbonbon:


Please refer to posts #133, #102, and #88.

Groups of the same paid off people saying the same things so they can keep their funding going isn't proof of anything. ACTUAL WEATHER DATA for the past 100+ years is proof. those facts don't lie for money.
Folks-Just ignore ArkyDavid1969. He's trolling, I suspect.
I am not so sure about mankind's role in the current round of climate change. We tend to think in terms of extremely short periods of time whereas the planet operates and fluctuates in very long time periods. Do I think global climate change is happening? Yes. The question that is less certain is mankind's role in it. We look at the past 100 years worth of climate records as proof that man is changing the weather radically and then with computer modeling extrapolation predict the very complex nature of the climate in the future. However I will point out that there has been radical change going on for the past 25 or 30 thousand years! All we have to do is look at the Missoula Floods a mere 13,000 years ago which were caused arguably by far greater climate change than we see today, when all of mankind's influence at that point would have been campfires.

I read a lot lately about "The War on Science", and how the "deniers" go against "scientific fact". I don't see it quite that way. If there is a war of any sort it isn't on science itself but on scientific dogma. It can be pointed to many things where "science" got it wrong, and that is as it should be. Science cannot be and we shouldn't ever expect it to be perfect.
Mankind tends to be more than a little narcissistic in its own role of its effect on and importance in the world and universe which only adds to the dogma.
Of course now is the time when someone will say that we have the ability to radically change the face of the earth, through thermonuclear war if nothing else. Yes we can do something very stupid, and eliminate ourselves from the equation, and in a few million years the earth would likely recover too.
Change is the only constant!
Quoting 344. Arkydavid1969:

Groups of the same paid off people saying the same things so they can keep their funding going isn't proof of anything. ACTUAL WEATHER DATA for the past 100+ years is proof. those facts don't lie for money.


Er, where is dat data Dude ?

?
348. jpsb
Quoting 319. Misanthroptimist:


Yes, the alternative to AGW is fascism...not.


Why do people think that moving from a fossil fuel economy is going to be easy, painless and cheap? It is not going to be any of those things. Buy a fuel efficient car LOL, like that is going to have any impact on CO2! You want to have an impact on CO2? Stop burning fossil fuels! That is the only thing that will reduce CO2 emissions. That is not possible with our currect and foreseeable technology, but what is easily possible with our current and foreseeable technology is reducing the number of humans on the planet. I suggest the 1 child policy but there are other ways to accomplish the same objective.
Quoting 338. ricderr:

*implement a 1 child policy and greatly reduce immigration.


do you realize...that if we took all the people in the world...they would fit into the space of texas....with a thousand square feet for each


Would AGW be a problem if there were only say 100 million humans on Earth as opposed to 7 billion. I sure someone did a study on how many humans that Earth can accommodate without harming the planet. I'll go out on a limb and predict that number is less than 7 billion.
Quoting 279. TimTheWxMan:



Hey now, there are a handful of conservatives on here who knows the climate's changing. ;)

There are, but actually I think all are quite aware. To put it this way, the early start of e.g. the Exxon disinformation campaign (late nineties) can be viewed as an early, quite informed position affirming the reality of climate change and a certain public-political response to it.
Quoting 344. Arkydavid1969:


Groups of the same paid off people saying the same things so they can keep their funding going isn't proof of anything. ACTUAL WEATHER DATA for the past 100+ years is proof. those facts don't lie for money.

Please refer again to post #133, Berkeley Earth, founded by skeptics, funded by fossil fuel interests; their findings and all temperature data is freely available and viewable.
Quoting 346. Arktikos:
I am not so sure about mankind's role in the current round of climate change. We tend to think in terms of extremely short periods of time whereas the planet operates and fluctuates in very long time periods. Do I think global climate change is happening? Yes. The question that is less certain is mankind's role in it. We look at the past 100 years worth of climate records as proof that man is changing the weather radically and then with computer modeling extrapolation predict the very complex nature of the climate in the future. However I will point out that there has been radical change going on for the past 25 or 30 thousand years! All we have to do is look at the Missoula Floods a mere 13,000 years ago which were caused arguably by far greater climate change than we see today, when all of mankind's influence at that point would have been campfires.

I read a lot lately about "The War on Science", and how the "deniers" go against "scientific fact". I don't see it quite that way. If there is a war of any sort it isn't on science itself but on scientific dogma. It can be pointed to many things where "science" got it wrong, and that is as it should be. Science cannot be and shouldn't ever expected to be perfect.
Mankind tends to be more than a little narcissistic in its own role of its effect on and importance in the world and universe which only adds to the dogma.
Of course now is the time when someone will say that we have the ability to radically change the face of the earth, through thermonuclear war if nothing else. Yes we can do something very stupid, and eliminate ourselves from the equation, and in a few million years the earth would likely recover too.
Change is the only constant!


Pssssst,




How do we know humans are the primary cause of the warming?

A large body of evidence supports the conclusion that human activity is the primary driver of recent warming. This evidence has accumulated over several decades, and from hundreds of studies. The first line of evidence is our basic physical understanding of how greenhouse gases trap heat, how the climate system responds to increases in greenhouse gases, and how other human and natural factors influence climate.

The second line of evidence is from indirect estimates of climate changes over the last 1,000 to 2,000 years. These estimates are often obtained from living things and their remains (like tree rings and corals) which provide a natural archive of climate variations. These indicators show that the recent temperature rise is clearly unusual in at least the last 1,000 years. The third line of evidence is based on comparisons of actual climate with computer models of how we expect climate to behave under certain human influences.

For example, when climate models are run with historical increases in greenhouse gases, they show gradual warming of the Earth and ocean surface, increases in ocean heat content, a rise in global sea level, and general retreat of sea ice and snow cover. These and other aspects of modeled climate change are in agreement with observations.

800,000 Year Record of Carbon Dioxide (CO2) Concentrations

CO2 Changes

Carbon dioxide concentration (parts per million) for the last 800,000 years, measured from trapped bubbles of air in an Antarctic ice core. The 2008 observed value is from the Mauna Loa Observatory in Hawaii and projections are based upon future emission scenarios. More information on the data can be found in the Climate Change Impacts on the U.S. report.


Over the last 800,000 years, natural factors have caused the atmospheric carbon dioxide (CO2) concentration to vary within a range of about 170 to 300 parts per million (ppm). The concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere has increased by roughly 35 percent since the start of the industrial revolution. Globally, over the past several decades, about 80 percent of human-induced CO2 emissions came from the burning of fossil fuels, while about 20 percent resulted from deforestation and associated agricultural practices. In the absence of strong control measures, emissions projected for this century would result in the CO2 concentration increasing to a level that is roughly 2 to 3 times the highest level occurring over the glacial-interglacial era that spans the last 800,000 or
Those of us living in the industrialized world (including most on this Blog) have the luxury of discussing and arguing these issues from the comfort of a home/office on a computer. Those more directly impacted by these issues (the less fortunate and the poor living here or in any other country in the world) who struggle with basic food and water (and including the animal kingdom) don't have the same luxury and certainly no say or voice. I just remember the great comment by the Alaskan Inuit Chief on one of the climate change documentaries, on the impact of global warming in the Arctic, basically reminding the rest of the world to "not forget about us up here-you guys are messing up our ancestral homeland and current home". Food for thought.
Quoting Patrap:


BP did the same in the GOM,

24 billion they have spent.


And it still a gummy bear coastline in many marsh and shoreline.


Yeah, some of that wonderful black goo also made it to Texas. The sun makes it nice and soft so it sticks to everything it touches.
I can't tell you how much time I've spent rubbing that stuff off my feet.
On some beaches you have to tip toe around big pancake blobs that are everywhere.
Quoting 296. seymour47:
I have to be honest. I'm severely disappointed in Weather Underground for using such an antiquated phrase like 'Global Warming'. Given that we have educated scientists running this website I would have thought we were beyond that. Yes, it is technically an issue of global warming, but that phrase has been perverted by the skeptics and turned into a phrase to be scoffed at. By using the phrase 'global warming' you open yourself up to asinine arguments the likes of which Senator Inhoff likes to use, pointing at snow and asking where's your warming now.

Disgree. We will not have climate revisionists annex perfectly good phrases like one Watts annexed the perfectly normal verb 'to deny'. Resist! Re-annex, then. 'AGW', it is ours too (even if the 'A' is not physically relevant).
JeffMasters has created a new entry.
Quoting 314. freundlt:
Funny how many of the CEO's that support this would benefit from more regulations and "green" energy. Just to name a few companies - Vestas Wind Systems, Solvay, Phillips Lighting, AkzoNobel, Enel, Dong Energy, Danfos, Dow Chemical... and of the banks and investment companies... how many have invested in the other companies?

What a joke, it's not about reducing CO2.... it's about making money

If reducing CO2 makes money, and it is truly starting to do so, good thing, points to a viable strategy.
358. jpsb
Quoting 342. tlawson48:



As much as life as we know would suck, I do agree, that type of policy will eventually be implemented in order for the species to survive. Either that or enough people die from the misery that is coming that the few remaining no longer have much of an impact.


Well something like I out lined will be needed but it won't happen. What likely will happen is civilization will collapse. First the world economy collapses shorty there after the lights go off, next the nukes melt down and lastly civilization comes to an end for a few thousand years.

Then we get to do it all over again!
Five Years After BP Spill, What’s Killing Gulf Dolphins?

APRIL 3, 2015 | 10:38 AM
BY DAVE FEHLING
CommentEmail
A dolphin spotted in Galveston.
CAROLYN/FLICKR
A dolphin spotted in Galveston.
It was five years ago next month that a BP oil drilling rig exploded in the Gulf of Mexico, killing 11 workers. Millions of gallons of crude spilled into the water. Damage was done to aquatic life.

But is the spilled oil now to blame for the deaths of hundreds of dolphins?

The magnitude and the duration of the deaths is utterly unprecedented in the Gulf of Mexico,” said Ryan Fikes, a scientist with the National Wildlife Federation. In a conference call, Fikes talked with reporters along with the group’s David Muth. They released a report titled “Five Years & Counting” about the effects of the spill on wildlife.

“There is compelling evidence that this mortality event that has been going on since the spill is linked to the spill,” said Muth, head of the group’s Gulf Restoration Program.

But is BP’s oil to blame?


BP wrote in a report it released two weeks ago that the unusually high number of dolphin deaths began several months before the rig explosion and may be linked to a deadly strain of animal bacteria. In an emailed response from BP’s media relations office, the company said the National Wildlife Federation was trying to use the spill to raise money for its “policy agenda.”

Overall, BP says the parts of the Gulf affected by the spill are “undergoing a strong recovery.”

The Wildlife Federation calls that assessment a “very rose picture” that is at odds with what it says are diminished populations of sea turtles, pelicans, and fish.

Link
Quoting 346. Arktikos:
I am not so sure about mankind's role in the current round of climate change. We tend to think in terms of extremely short periods of time whereas the planet operates and fluctuates in very long time periods. Do I think global climate change is happening? Yes. The question that is less certain is mankind's role in it. We look at the past 100 years worth of climate records as proof that man is changing the weather radically and then with computer modeling extrapolation predict the very complex nature of the climate in the future. However I will point out that there has been radical change going on for the past 25 or 30 thousand years! All we have to do is look at the Missoula Floods a mere 13,000 years ago which were caused arguably by far greater climate change than we see today, when all of mankind's influence at that point would have been campfires.

I read a lot lately about "The War on Science", and how the "deniers" go against "scientific fact". I don't see it quite that way. If there is a war of any sort it isn't on science itself but on scientific dogma. It can be pointed to many things where "science" got it wrong, and that is as it should be. Science cannot be and we shouldn't ever expect it to be perfect.
Mankind tends to be more than a little narcissistic in its own role of its effect on and importance in the world and universe which only adds to the dogma.
Of course now is the time when someone will say that we have the ability to radically change the face of the earth, through thermonuclear war if nothing else. Yes we can do something very stupid, and eliminate ourselves from the equation, and in a few million years the earth would likely recover too.
Change is the only constant!

Right. Law of Gravity: dogma. Heisenberg's uncertainty theorems: dogma. Radiation physics of three-or-more atom compounds of the atmosphere, dogma of course.
For this I erected the Pi Sekt. We believe Pi is a transcendent number and kick out anyone who doesn't (hi, mathematicians).
Quoting 358. jpsb:


Well something like I out lined will be needed but it won't happen. What likely will happen is civilization will collapse. First the world economy collapses shorty there after the lights go off, next the nukes melt down and lastly civilization comes to an end for a few thousand years.

Then we get to do it all over again!


Thats what T-Rex, the last one said too.




Quoting 344. Arkydavid1969:

Groups of the same paid off people saying the same things so they can keep their funding going isn't proof of anything. ACTUAL WEATHER DATA for the past 100+ years is proof. those facts don't lie for money.

That's correct. And those data say that it's been warming rapidly.
Quoting 354. cRRKampen:


Disgree. We will not have climate revisionists annex perfectly good phrases like one Watts annexed the perfectly normal verb 'to deny'. Resist! Re-annex, then. 'AGW', it is ours too (even if the 'A' is not physically relevant).


The problem is that 'global warming' is an incomplete and inadequate phrase. It only applies to one aspect of how the climate is changing. It does not account for changes in climate due to habitat loss or ocean acidification or eutrophication or any number of other issues. If you don't want to stop using it because you believe you need to 'resist' then stop using it for logical scientific reasons.
Quoting 360. cRRKampen:


Right. Law of Gravity: dogma. Heisenberg's uncertainty theorems: dogma. Radiation physics of three-or-more atom compounds of the atmosphere, dogma of course.
For this I erected the Pi Sekt. We believe Pi is a transcendent number and kick out anyone who doesn't (hi, mathematicians).


I never said that science is always wrong, just often so. Comparing the laws of gravity is ever so simple however compared with weather prediction of more than a few days. For instance I don't often read in climate change conversation about ocean salinity changes which are happening now which are thought to be caused by fresh water runoff. Link This, science believes is what shuts down the great undersea currents and causes the next ice age to form. This to me seems just as plausible as the world burning up in a massive man made heat wave. Actually the timing for this event would coincide with the timing of other warm periods the earth has experiences between ice ages.
Quoting 348. jpsb:


Why do people think that moving from a fossil fuel economy is going to be easy, painless and cheap? It is not going to be any of those things.

Probably for the same reason people make unwarranted logical leaps, move goalposts, and say unwise things.
Quoting 362. Patrap:



Thats what T-Rex, the last one said too.





On the topic of dinosaurs, when they were in existence they were the supreme race. So we actually have to thank climate change for getting rid of them as mean as that sounds, just due to the mere fact that 2 supreme races cannot exist at the same time because there is just not enough resources. Does that mean our time on this planet is limited? I do think so, I just don't know when that day of Judgement will come or if we will be hit by something in which humans cannot survive because the environment becomes too detrimental to adapt to or have any sustainable lifestyle.
Quoting 367. GTstormChaserCaleb:
On the topic of dinosaurs, when they were in existence they were the supreme race. So we actually have to thank climate change for getting rid of them as mean as that sounds, just due to the mere fact that 2 supreme races cannot exist at the same time because there is just not enough resources. Does that mean our time on this planet is limited? I do think so, I just don't know when that day of Judgement will come or if we will be hit by something in which humans cannot survive because the environment becomes too detrimental to adapt to or have any sustainable lifestyle.

Or else we will disappear through evolving into some things else, see scientific documentaries like 'Star Wars - Episode One' ;)

By Buddha, all things complicated must end. Consoling thought really.
369. MahFL
My rain forecast went from 80% to 20 % lol. Great forecasting NWS !
Quoting 365. Arktikos:


I never said that science is always wrong, just often so. Comparing the laws of gravity is ever so simple however compared with weather prediction of more than a few days. For instance I don't often read in climate change conversation about ocean salinity changes which are happening now which are thought to be caused by fresh water runoff. Link This, science believes is what shuts down the great undersea currents and causes the next ice age to form. This to me seems just as plausible as the world burning up in a massive man made heat wave. Actually the timing for this event would coincide with the timing of other warm periods the earth has experiences between ice ages.

Alright.
"This to me seems just as plausible..." now what scientists do professionally is translate this sentiment into Research - formulate experimentally or at least calculable hypotheses that make your word 'plausible' into something testable. A scientist takes 'it seems (to me)' as the starting point of her endeavour.
As thousands of scientists each with their own areas of expertise do work and share what they've found on declaring hypotheses 'plausible, myth or confirmed' a lot of knowledge is accumulated and continuously verified and from this point the world gets to know something. Entrepreneurs can use science to make flatscreens, and we all can use science to study and/or change the hability of our planet.

Here's another snippet:

Link

There is a LOT of scientific debate over this one.
It would seem like one of those older ice age formation theories. Not going to happen, even if the Gulf Stream decides to cut down half - maybe part of Europe would cool a bit while global temp keeps rising. Like it is now (btw all of Europe is going up fast too).
Studies show an ice age occurring at 400 ppm CO2 is simply out of the question.
Hey Wunderground,

If you just want to delete comments that go against the climate Nazis and live in an echo chamber, DON'T PUT UP BLOG NOTIFICATIONS.
Quoting 370. cRRKampen:


Alright.
"This to me seems just as plausible..." now what scientists do professionally is translate this sentiment into Research - formulate experimentally or at least calculable hypotheses that make your word 'plausible' into something testable. A scientist takes 'it seems (to me)' as the starting point of her endeavour.
As thousands of scientists each with their own areas of expertise do work and share what they've found on declaring hypotheses 'plausible, myth or confirmed' a lot of knowledge is accumulated and continuously verified and from this point the world gets to know something. Entrepreneurs can use science to make flatscreens, and we all can use science to study and/or change the hability of our planet.

Here's another snippet:

Link

There is a LOT of scientific debate over this one.
It would seem like one of those older ice age formation theories. Not going to happen, even if the Gulf Stream decides to cut down half - maybe part of Europe would cool a bit while global temp keeps rising. Like it is now (btw all of Europe is going up fast too).
Studies show an ice age occurring at 400 ppm CO2 is simply out of the question.


Studies show that an ice age won't occur until CO2 drops to 240 ppm and right now we're headed to 450 ppm in 20 years.
Quoting 298. TropicalAnalystwx13:

@NOAA
JUST IN: March 2015 was warmest March in 136 yrs for the globe, per @NOAANCDC #StateOfClimate http://1.usa.gov/1b15tQI




That is a whole-lotta-red....that's it, it's a Reds Socialist conspiracy. Why didn't I see it before? Maybe my rose colored glasses, something to do with wavelengths of light, naw that sounds an awful lot like physics or science. Can't be true, yea that's it. My favorite color is blue so I'll just look at that part.... ;-)
Quoting 373. OregonAndy:



That is a whole-lotta-red....that's it, it's a Reds Socialist conspiracy. Why didn't I see it before? Maybe my rose colored glasses, something to do with wavelengths of light, naw that sounds an awful lot like physics or science. Can't be true, yea that's it. My favorite color is blue so I'll just look at that part.... ;-)


Quoting 370. cRRKampen:


Alright.
"This to me seems just as plausible..." now what scientists do professionally is translate this sentiment into Research - formulate experimentally or at least calculable hypotheses that make your word 'plausible' into something testable. A scientist takes 'it seems (to me)' as the starting point of her endeavour.
As thousands of scientists each with their own areas of expertise do work and share what they've found on declaring hypotheses 'plausible, myth or confirmed' a lot of knowledge is accumulated and continuously verified and from this point the world gets to know something. Entrepreneurs can use science to make flatscreens, and we all can use science to study and/or change the hability of our planet.

Here's another snippet:

Link

There is a LOT of scientific debate over this one.
It would seem like one of those older ice age formation theories. Not going to happen, even if the Gulf Stream decides to cut down half - maybe part of Europe would cool a bit while global temp keeps rising. Like it is now (btw all of Europe is going up fast too).
Studies show an ice age occurring at 400 ppm CO2 is simply out of the question.


Yes, you are making some great points that I can't disagree with. In a way you made my point that the subject is way way to complex to be applied to a planet that is over 5 billion years old, that when looked at in geological time makes our paltry little 100 year temp data, or even Al Gores CO2 measurements in the ice cores going back basically still a flash in the pan in geo time have that much meaning.. The planet's weather fueled by the sun as well as other factors such as its massive biomass is a vast harmonic where when one thing gets out of balance another compensates for it, just maybe not in time for us tho.
One of the points I wanted to make however in my OP was scientific dogma, and another I will make now is politics and science, and how they seldom mix. When a theory gets to the fact stage through politics, blacklists form and scientists who writes papers that disagrees often find it hard to put food on his table in their chosen field. In my state of Alaska there have been a few such scientists who have been removed from the university's payroll due to disagreement with accepted climate change "fact". I know it happens elsewhere I don't believe it does good science any service.
Quoting 377. kg4ozl:

Thanks for the list of CEOs. That makes it easier for me to avoid spending my money on their companies.


Good luck! Thanks for sharing after 13 years on the blog only to tell us how much you dislike science and societal minded corporations. :)
Quoting 377. kg4ozl:

Thanks for the list of CEOs. That makes it easier for me to avoid spending my money on their companies.

For your convenience, there's a list of major oil & gas companies in post #102, with excerpts and links to their positions on climate change. If you're going to boycott, I'm not sure where you're going to fuel up...
Sigh...if any mods read this, I accidentally flagged the blog post (!) in my clumsy attempt to click on the 'Open Letter' link that's right underneath it.

Maybe the flag could be a two-step process, to avoid accidental flags (like I did yesterday and just now).

Very sorry!
Please remove this advisory,

"Global Warming: CEOs Urging Action in 2015 on Global Climate",

from my page. I do not drink this Kool-Aid.

Thanks!!!
Quoting 380. LAbonbon:

Sigh...if any mods read this, I accidentally flagged the blog post (!) in my clumsy attempt to click on the 'Open Letter' link that's right underneath it.

Maybe the flag could be a two-step process, to avoid accidental flags (like I did yesterday and just now).

Very sorry!


Eh flag this thing into oblivion, this is "no mod" territory. The trolls run wild here.
Personally, I'll go with Dr. Curry's advice - Take 2 aspirin and call in the morning...

Seriously, her knowledgeable take is do not waste $$$ on mitigation (which will not change anything) , but instead spend some on adaptation, while continuing the monitoring/research.

See her latest congressional testimony here.

Man Made Global Warming is a Man Made Fraud!!
The planet itself dumps more harmful gases and material into the atmosphere than mankind has or ever will be able to match, other than creating Global Thermonuclear War!
But you can't tell that to the snot gobbling Communist Progressive Liberal loons!
I even had one loon try and tell me volcanoes eject GOOD CO2 into the atmosphere instead of the BAD CO2 made by man!
Go Figure!
How can there be any logical discussion on this climate thing? Of course, climate changes. It gets hot and cold, rainy and dry...it has all of my life of 67 years. Now we read of the purposeful lying of purposeful "scientist" telling us it is fact. No, it is not fact. You people have been untrustworthy so many times on this issue, and it has been proven to be a lie in the statistics, that why would anyone believe anything on this subject from the pro people?
This is hilarious. Keep going guys...
Everyone, your complaints have been logged. We will be sure to let physics know you disagree with its basic concepts and will be handing out tinfoil hats accordingly. Please form an orderly line, thanks!
The degree of intellectual and scientific malfeasance is simply astounding, and will shock even those who have been anthropogenic global warming–climate-change skeptics from the beginning. Jay Currie has chronicled how the e-mails offer substantive evidence of the following:

1. the suppression of data

2. the destruction of data subject to FOI requests

3. the organized subversion of the peer-review process

4. the blacklisting of a scientific journal for political reasons

Even worse, it is clear that the fundamental reason underlying their Chicken Little approach to the matter is not scientific at all, but ideological. As John Hindraker of Powerline points out, what these “scientists” are doing is politics, not science, as they are cherry-picking a few useful facts to reach a predetermined conclusion instead of simply collecting the observable evidence, examining all of it, and only then reaching conclusions. By their own admission, their science is “mission-oriented.” But what is that mission? Another e-mail provides the answer:

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2009/11/116840/#KPYwHGPlfRrA46w 5.99



WND, that's rich.
Dr. Masters:

I have been a professional pilot for 47 years. I use the information from Weather Underground and the FAA to give me critical info so I can decide if it is safe to fly or not. Please continue to give me that info without adding politics into the equation. When the Weather Channel stopped giving weather 24 hours a day and started providing about 4 hours of weather and the rest news, sports, and reality shows, I switched to the Weather Nation Channel. They give me what I want 24 hours a day without political commentary.

When I was young and studying Space Technology at Florida Institute of Technology in the late 60's, I was told to stay focused on the "science" and leave the "politics" to the politicians.

We all can argue for eternity what causes global warming, but until someone can tell me they can stop a tornado, a hurricane, or an earthquake which is a much smaller global event than global warming, then I will stop what I love to do and listen.

Good luck on your Blog!
Anyone who is coming on here to say anthropogenic global warming(AGW)/climate change isn't real, is a scam, everyone's lying (except whomever you are getting your information from), there are lists of sources lower in the blog.

Post 88 - list of scientific organizations agreeing with the consensus of AGW/climate change
Post 102 - list of some of the world's largest oil & gas companies, and their positions on AGW/climate change
Post 133 - list of sites that contain all the evidence and documentation of AGW/climate change

Some folks are commenting for only the first or second time. This blog has community standards (no cursing, no personal attacks, no unfounded allegations, etc.) Seriously, civil posts are much better received here.
Quoting 396. migrace:

There's a conspiracy, all right. And they've got you pretty well hoodwinked. Try one of Oreskes' 'Merchants of Doubt' lectures that are freely available on Youtube. You can head over to my blog here, I've got one of her talks on video there.
Quoting 392. Trikepilot355:
(snip)
Sad that people are so misinformed and continue to be so!

I can agree with this line, but that's about it.
Quoting 391. eagle98:

How can there be any logical discussion on this climate thing? Of course, climate changes. It gets hot and cold, rainy and dry...it has all of my life of 67 years. Now we read of the purposeful lying of purposeful "scientist" telling us it is fact. No, it is not fact. You people have been untrustworthy so many times on this issue, and it has been proven to be a lie in the statistics, that why would anyone believe anything on this subject from the pro people?
Quoting 390. eagle98:

I am sick and tired of you people trying to convince people of this stupid global warming misinformation. Only an idiot would persist in trying to convince of it being true when most experts tell us it is a fraud. Stop pushing this load of crap on people. They may take pitchforks to people who do and "tar and feather" them for lying to us all! STOP IT!!!!
Quoting 388. rozebudred:

Don't believe in global warming, except for the fact that the weather has always ebbed and flowed, changed from warm to cool and vice versa. It's a natural process and to chase any other idea is to politicize this fact for purposes other than to arrest a process you will never change.

Quoting 382. lytton51:

Climate change is the second biggest fraud in history. Climate and world temperatures have varied widely thorough out the history of the planet, even before the dawn of humans.

Stop pushing this lie!

See post #399. There's a whole world of scientists, scientific organizations, governments, CEOs, and major oil & gas companies who agree that anthropogenic global warming/climate change is real, it is happening. Post #133 contains all the evidence you could ever ask for, without politics.
Quoting 385. 2fisherman:


Linking to partisan sites is not really well-received here. Science sites, sure, they're totally welcome and well-received. Power Line is run by a bunch of attorneys and politicos...not a scientist among them. I've seen their site before - frankly it struck me as a bunch of right-wing conspiracy minded postings, and it has quite a bit of wrong information. Mind you, posting to 'left'-leaning non-science sites is not well received, either.
Quoting 406. Naga5000:


But there is so much to derp about over here. Did you hear global warming is being shoved down their throats? They are being PERSECUTED, Pat. There's more where this comes from, that's for sure. Let em' out themselves, I say.

It sure got weird in here, didn't it?

The great thing is they think that the argument, "It's fake! Never mind the science, someone I agree with politically said so. Therefore, the science is wrong!" is somehow a persuasive argument. LOL
Quoting 392. Trikepilot355:

[...]

Sad that people are so misinformed and continue to be so!


So very, very true...

Word of advice, admin, if you are going to link stories to people's forecast screen, you better be ready to moderate the crazy right out of here or this place will be the Yahoo comment section. If you allow these posts to remain, you are doing a public disservice.
411. jpsb
Quoting 403. LAbonbon:


Linking to partisan sites is not really well-received here. Science sites, sure, they're totally welcome and well-received. Power Line is run by a bunch of attorneys and politicos...not a scientist among them. I've seen their site before - frankly it struck me as a bunch of right-wing conspiracy minded postings, and it has quite a bit of wrong information. Mind you, posting to 'left'-leaning non-science sites is not well received, either.


Skeptical science is not a partisan site?
Quoting 411. jpsb:



Skeptical science is not a partisan site?


Nope, just because you don't like it doesn't mean it is partisan. In fact, it is one of the best sources for information since it cites its articles with links to the actual papers and has actual educated scientists on their team. Just because the site accurately writes about and incorporates the published research into their articles you think it's partisan? There is no mention of political anything, except when it is part of the research. Why is this so enraging? Coming from a guy who likes to link to WUWT, and globalresearch.ca, and other conspiracy blogs, this is highly amusing.
413. jpsb
Quoting 367. GTstormChaserCaleb:

On the topic of dinosaurs, when they were in existence they were the supreme race. So we actually have to thank climate change for getting rid of them as mean as that sounds, just due to the mere fact that 2 supreme races cannot exist at the same time because there is just not enough resources. Does that mean our time on this planet is limited? I do think so, I just don't know when that day of Judgement will come or if we will be hit by something in which humans cannot survive because the environment becomes too detrimental to adapt to or have any sustainable lifestyle.


"Climate change" did not kill the dinosaurs, that unless we are now calling a impact with a 2 mount Everest size mass at 30,000-50,000 kps "climate change".



Quoting 410. Naga5000:

Word of advice, admin, if you are going to link stories to people's forecast screen, you better be ready to moderate the crazy right out of here or this place will be the Yahoo comment section. If you allow these posts to remain, you are doing a public disservice.

What I find most troubling are the wild allegations of outright lying and fraud, name-calling, and cursing. These types of posts are usually not acceptable, yet it seems on this blog, as well as the 'classic' admin blog, the posts are staying.
415. jpsb
Quoting 412. Naga5000:



Nope, just because you don't like it doesn't mean it is partisan. In fact, it is one of the best sources for information since it cites its articles with links to the actual papers and has actual educated scientists on their team. Just because the site accurately writes about and incorporates the published research into their articles you think it's partisan? There is no mention of political anything, except when it is part of the research. Why is this so enraging? Coming from a guy who likes to link to WUWT, and globalresearch.ca, and other conspiracy blogs, this is highly amusing.


If you can not recognize a blatantly partisan site when you see one there is no point in continuing the conversation.
Quoting 415. jpsb:



If you can not recognize a blatantly partisan site when you see one there is no point in continuing the conversation.


Stop making assertions with no supporting evidence, troll. In other words, prove it, and please do better than copy/pasting the first thing you find without reading or understanding it like last time. We wouldn't want to go through that embarrassment again, huh?

This should be fun, since there is no partisan slant to anything there, just science. Maybe you are saying science is partisan, which then explains your aversion to it.
Quoting 411. jpsb:



Skeptical science is not a partisan site?

It is not. Their whole intent is to discuss the science without the politics. Read the 'About' section on their website, including the website's founder, the team members, as well as endorsements by wide-ranging faculty. They have an international audience as well. If they were to delve into politics and partisanship, they would lose the respect they have rightfully attained. From the 'About' section:

"The goal of Skeptical Science is to explain what peer reviewed science has to say about global warming."

and

"Skeptical Science removes the politics from the debate by concentrating solely on the science."
Quoting 417. LAbonbon:


It is not. Their whole intent is to discuss the science without the politics. Read the 'About' section on their website, including the website's founder, the team members, as well as endorsements by wide-ranging faculty. They have an international audience as well. If they were to delve into politics and partisanship, they would lose the respect they have rightfully attained From the 'About' section:

"The goal of Skeptical Science is to explain what peer reviewed science has to say about global warming."

and

"Skeptical Science removes the politics from the debate by concentrating solely on the science."


The problem makes itself clear. Anything that makes the "skeptic" question their beliefs is rejected outright as biased and fraudulent for a good portion of "skeptics". This isn't skepticism, this is denial and classic cognitive dissonance.
419. jpsb
Quoting 416. Naga5000:



Stop making assertions with no supporting evidence, troll. In other words, prove it, and please do better than copy/pasting the first thing you find without reading or understanding it like last time. We wouldn't want to go through that embarrassment again, huh?

This should be fun, since there is no partisan slant to anything there, just science. Maybe you are saying science is partisan, which then explains your aversion to it.


I would engage you on this issue but I do not wish to be banned again. Whenever I debate issues associated with CAGW and start to win the debate I get banned and my posts deleted. Ergo I choose not to engage in debate here. I do visit WUWT and enjoy that site but I recognize it as just as partisan as skeptical science.
"I do visit WUWT and enjoy that site but I recognize it as just as partisan as skeptical science."

If you can't differentiate between a site that is overtly partisan, and one that strives and succeeds at not being so, then frankly there is a serious problem here.

I don't post things from 'left-leaning' environmental or advocacy sites. Why? Because this site is all about the science. Partisanship has no place. The only time politics should become involved is literally when the government needs to be involved.

In grad school the first thing we were advised was to leave politics at the door. We were strongly advised to drop membership in any groups that appeared to be partisan or advocates in any manner that related to our studies and research. Once in the workplace, it was also advised that we must be impartial. Identifying partisan vs. non-partisan information is easy to do, whether it's information from the 'left' or the 'right'.

I'd advise you to hone your own skills in this regard.

Quoting 419. jpsb:



I would engage you on this issue but I do not wish to be banned again. Whenever I debate issues associated with CAGW and start to win the debate I get banned and my posts deleted. Ergo I choose not to engage in debate here. I do visit WUWT and enjoy that site but I recognize it as just as partisan as skeptical science.


Great evidence to support your claim. /sarcasm.
422. jpsb
Quoting 420. LAbonbon:

"I do visit WUWT and enjoy that site but I recognize it as just as partisan as skeptical science."

If you can't differentiate between a site that is overtly partisan, and one that strives and succeeds at not being so, then frankly there is a serious problem here.

I don't post things from 'left-leaning' environmental or advocacy sites. Why? Because this site is all about the science. Partisanship has no place. The only time politics should become involved is literally when the government needs to be involved.

In grad school the first thing we were advised was to leave politics at the door. We were strongly advised to drop membership in any groups that appeared to be partisan or advocates in any manner that related to our studies and research. Once in the workplace, it was also advised that we must be impartial. Identifying partisan vs. non-partisan information is easy to do, whether it's information from the 'left' or the 'right'.

I'd advise you to hone your own skills in this regard.




I really don't care where the info comes from as long as the facts are correct. I visit lot of different places on the web some left, some right and some not political at all. Some places I've looked into I'ved determined that they are not credible, so I don't visit their sites and don't use them as a resource. I'd love to go into more detail but then I'd be playing right into n hand and be in trouble with the mods.

The gang flagers have me on a very tight rope, I am not allowed to use my rhetorical skills; not allowed to sight experts that agree with me, not allowed to link to sites that agree with me, not allowed to use satire in making an argument and not allowed to use humor in rebuttal. That's serious debating handicap!

The mission statement of some posters here is to only allow alarmists to express an opinion and ban those that disagree with the party line. Which is fine, this is a private site and I like to play by the rules. So I'll be declining to engage much on AGW and related issues here.

I was disappointed that no one took me up on my offer to discuss what to do about CAGW assuming CAGW was happening. I hope that topic can be discussed here without fear of getting wacked. And I hope someone other then myself offers suggestions that really would address the problem. (Buying fuel a efficient car is not going to get the job done)

423. jpsb
Quoting 420. LAbonbon:


If you see 422 please + it so I don't have to post it in the current blog, thanks.
Quoting 422. jpsb:



I really don't care where the info comes from as long as the facts are correct. I visit lot of different places on the web some left, some right and some not political at all. Some places I've looked into I'ved determined that they are not credible, so I don't visit their sites and don't use them as a resource. I'd love to go into more detail but then I'd be playing right into n hand and be in trouble with the mods.

The gang flagers have me on a very tight rope, I am not allowed to use my rhetorical skills; not allowed to sight experts that agree with me, not allowed to link to sites that agree with me, not allowed to use satire in making an argument and not allowed to use humor in rebuttal. That's serious debating handicap!

The mission statement of some posters here is to only allow alarmists to express an opinion and ban those that disagree with the party line. Which is fine, this is a private site and I like to play by the rules. So I'll be declining to engage much on AGW and related issues here.

I was disappointed that no one took me up on my offer to discuss what to do about CAGW assuming CAGW was happening. I hope that topic can be discussed here without fear of getting wacked. And I hope someone other then myself offers suggestions that really would address the problem. (Buying fuel a efficient car is not going to get the job done)




You are not the judge of facts and accuracy. We are not here to debate you. By continuing to use goal post moving terms like CAGW you show yourself to be nothing more than a either a complete fool, tricked by snake oil salesman or a purposeful plant, only here to disrupt.

You aren't being persecuted, your ideas are just nonsense. And again, no evidence to support any claims, just ideologically bankrupt blathering coupled with conspiracy ideation and notions of persecution...
Quoting 422. jpsb:



I'm going to mull this over, and get back to you - hope you don't mind. In particular about what to do about AGW/CC. I didn't engage for two reasons - 1) I thought your suggestions were harsh and 2) there was so much going on yesterday that I didn't have the time or energy to think about it, and respond intelligently.

Often times, if I'm too tied up w/ 'real' life, or reading links people posted, trying to stay current, and following/interacting with other threads or blogs, that I simply can't get involved in some of the discussions I would like to. It's better to sincerely try, IMO, than to throw out a knee jerk response and then skedaddle because time is limited.

Aaand, now I'm off to eat lunch and do household things. But I will get back to you.
Quoting 422. jpsb:
I really don't care where the info comes from as long as the facts are correct...

[...] I am not allowed to use my rhetorical skills; not allowed to sight experts that agree with me, not allowed to link to sites that agree with me, not allowed to use satire in making an argument and not allowed to use humor in rebuttal. That's serious debating handicap!

[...]

I was disappointed that no one took me up on my offer to discuss what to do about CAGW assuming CAGW was happening...

It's not a discussion or a debate when your side of the argument relies only on unchecked and unverified information, insincere rhetoric, cherry-picked "experts", or polemic satire, all with the primary intention to discredit an entire branch of science that you think is only based in assumptions.

From Dr. Ricky Rood here at Weather Underground:

Your "... (form of argument relies) on discredit, and it relies on discrediting thousands of scientists, writing many thousands of papers, over many years, from many countries. It is fundamentally conspiratorial, and not only is it conspiratorial it requires that many years before climate change emerged as an important environmental problem, that the foundation for the conspiracy was being laid down. To me, this lacks any credibility in reason, but if conspiratorial beliefs are held, then it is virtually impossible to provide convincing counterarguments to the person who holds those beliefs. If the form of argument relies on conspiracy, then it is immediately suspect."

Don't expect anyone to have a discussion with you when you can't even recognize that your side of the argument could be flawed.
Quoting 376. Arktikos:



Yes, you are making some great points that I can't disagree with. In a way you made my point that the subject is way way to complex to be applied to a planet that is over 5 billion years old, that when looked at in geological time makes our paltry little 100 year temp data, or even Al Gores CO2 measurements in the ice cores going back basically still a flash in the pan in geo time have that much meaning.. The planet's weather fueled by the sun as well as other factors such as its massive biomass is a vast harmonic where when one thing gets out of balance another compensates for it, just maybe not in time for us tho.
One of the points I wanted to make however in my OP was scientific dogma, and another I will make now is politics and science, and how they seldom mix. When a theory gets to the fact stage through politics, blacklists form and scientists who writes papers that disagrees often find it hard to put food on his table in their chosen field. In my state of Alaska there have been a few such scientists who have been removed from the university's payroll due to disagreement with accepted climate change "fact". I know it happens elsewhere I don't believe it does good science any service.

" In a way you made my point that the subject is way way to complex to be applied to a planet that is over 5 billion years old"
Do not project your ignorance on me or others.
Debate on changes in the AMOC are over complex details. They have global warming as a given (because of course it is the reality) and are about how it plays out in components of the climate system.

Radiation physics of GHG's were the same five billion years ago.
"Climate Change" .. only a group of greedy banksters could fund the lackey 'scientists' to push their idiocratic system of kontrol on a stupefied population.
Only the severely retarded can't put together the top two monstrosities of finance, the Rockefeller founded and kontrolled IMF and World Bank.
And guess who is the biggest proponent of this religious lie? Who stands to profit from the mis-deeds of this incremental taxation? Most importantly, who presumes kontrol of entire industries because of sheeple belief in the constant lies?