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People's Climate March Brings 311,000 to New York City

By: Dr. Jeff Masters, 3:19 PM GMT on September 22, 2014

The largest demonstration supporting climate change action in world history hit the streets of New York City yesterday, when the People's Climate March brought a crowd of 311,000 participants to Manhattan--more than triple pre-march estimates of 100,000. Hurricane Sandy survivors, labor unions, youth groups, congregations from across the religious spectrum and social justice campaigners marched with UN Secretary General Ban Ki–Moon and New York Mayor Bill de Blasio, along with celebrities like Leonardo DiCaprio, Joseph Gordon–Levitt, Mark Ruffalo, Susan Sarandon, and Sting. "This is the planet where our subsequent generations will live," Ban Ki–Moon told reporters. "There is no 'Plan B,' because we do not have 'Planet B.'" Around the world, hundreds of thousands more joined 2,646 events in 156 countries, in a strong show to world leaders that people world-wide demand serious action on climate change at Tuesday's important climate summit in New York City. That meeting, called together by UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon, brings together world leaders from government, finance, business, and civil society to galvanize and catalyze climate action.  The Secretary-General has asked these leaders to bring bold announcements and actions to the Summit intended to significantly reduce CO2 emissions, strengthen climate resilience, and mobilize political will for a meaningful legal agreement to be negotiated in Paris in December 2015.


Figure 1. People protest for greater action against climate change during the People's Climate March on September 21, 2014 in New York City. The march, which calls for drastic political and economic changes to slow global warming, was organized by a coalition of unions, activists, politicians and scientists. (Photo by Andrew Burton/Getty Images)


Figure 2. Climate protesters hold a banner reading ' Let's be the change' on the Republique's square during a demonstration to fight climate change, on September 21, 2014 in Paris. Image credit: FRANCOIS GUILLOT/AFP/Getty Images.


Figure 3. Marchers come down 6th Ave during the People's Climate March on September 21 2014, in New York. Image credit: TIMOTHY A. CLARY/AFP/Getty Images

Quiet in the Atlantic and Eastern Pacific
It's quiet in the Atlantic, where none of our reliable models for predicting tropical cyclone genesis shows anything developing over the next five days.

In the Eastern Pacific, Polo has dissipated. A well-organized tropical disturbance (99E) a few hundred miles south-southeast of Acapulco, Mexico was given 5-day odds of development of 80% by NHC in their 8 am EDT Monday Tropical Weather Outlook. Our reliable computer models keep 99E offshore of the coast of Mexico this week as the storm heads west-northwest to northwest, parallel to the coast of Mexico.

In the Western Pacific, Tropical Storm Fung-Wong made landfall in southern Taiwan Sunday morning with sustained winds near 55 mph, knocking out power to 40,000 customers and killing one person. Taiwan's Central Weather Bureau said one remote observation site in the mountains of southern Taiwan recorded 995 millimeters, or nearly 40 inches, of rain Saturday through late Monday morning local time. Fung-Wong brushed the northern end of the Philippines' Luzon Island on Friday morning with sustained winds of 45 mph, bringing torrential rains that flooded Manila and killed eleven people. The storm is headed north towards a third landfall on Monday evening in Zhejiang Province, China.

Jeff Masters

Climate Change Politics

The views of the author are his/her own and do not necessarily represent the position of The Weather Company or its parent, IBM.

Reader Comments

the brominated vegetable oil is a flame retardant.


Indeed, but surprisingly low in Trans Fat and very Heart Healthy I may add.

Quoting 486. Patrap:

When you have family who were killed fighting genocide in Europe in 44, I highly doubt the genocide being carried out by ISIS is ,er, considered..."nonsense".
You are right, sorry if I offended anyone with that last sentence. It's just like with any other extremist groups they take over the major news outlets and you hardly ever get to see what else is going on in the news around world.
Quoting 490. nigel20:

Good evening fellow bloggers! I hope that everyone is OK?
Hey Nigel, what is the weather like in that tropical paradise island of yours?
Quoting GTstormChaserCaleb:


The Tampa Bay hurricane of 1921 (also known as the 1921 Tarpon Springs hurricane) was the third hurricane, second major hurricane, and final storm of an inactive 1921 Atlantic hurricane season. The storm took a typical path for an October Atlantic hurricane, brushing past Cuba before hitting near Tampa, Florida, becoming the first major hurricane to hit the area since the hurricane of 1848. The hurricane was also the most destructive storm of the season, causing around $10 million (1921 USD, $92 million (2005 USD) in damage.

Formed: October 20, 1921
Dissipated: October 30, 1921
Highest winds 1-minute sustained: 140 mph (220 km/h)
Lowest pressure ≤ 941 mbar (hPa); 27.79 inHg
Fatalities 3-8 direct
Damage $10 million (1921 USD)
Areas affected Western Caribbean, Cuba, Florida Keys, Florida Peninsula


Hi Caleb!

The western Caribbean is prone these storms, especially off the coast of central America/sw of Jamaica. The most recent being hurricane Sandy, with Wilma being the most powerful. Mitch may have been the most feared, though.

What do you guys think?
Quoting 500. CybrTeddy:

Whoa, speaking of hurricanes, did anyone know in 1901 A category 1 hurricane hit Louisiana that formed (I'm going to assume non-tropically) near the Azores?




Yes. Why can't we see that again? A Louisiana hurricane is nothing special; that track is.
Quoting 461. sar2401:


You and visO need to have a serious talk...
Van Allen Belt. Taught it to us when we were visiting NASA in Houston as young hillbillies. There is little to none ozone layer at the poles. The belt is directly influenced by inner magnetics and super polarized particles from outer space. The Sun actually has a lesser degree of influence at 20%. Spray all the hairspray you want, it won't change a thing.
Quoting 484. sar2401:

I don't think bombs come from warships.
the tomahawk does
Perfect example was when MH 17 was shot down and the Israel-Hamas missile strikes were getting more news coverage. That's what I mean right there the Middle East always seems to steal away the show from something tragic that has occurred.
Quoting GTstormChaserCaleb:
In other news, what ever happen to the news of the aftermath of Odile? That seems to get brushed aside for nonsense like ISIS.
They are actually making some pretty good progress. All the tourists that wanted to leave are gone. 90% of the power has been restored in La Paz but only 19% in Cabo. It will take at least another week to get back up to about 75% there. The federal highways are back open and most of the cell phone communications north of Cabo have been restored although it's still spotty in Cabo. Humanitarian supplies are flowing in by sea and through the airport, which will take about two more weeks to open for commercial traffic. Six deaths have been reported. Two were a man and woman on a capsized sailboat in La Paz harbor, one was German tourist who suffered a heart attack aboard his boat in La Paz, and three from drowning crossing flooded streams. None were reported from Cabo itself, which is really quite surprising. The big push now is to get things cleaned up and rebuilt before the Christmas tourist season.
Quoting 495. sar2401:

Golf isn't all that much fun on TV either. :-)

I kid you not, I've seen premier League darts on TV before. Yes.... darts. What's next, boggle?
Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:
the tomahawk does
A missile with a warhead is generally not thought of as a bomb, although the effect can be the same if it's coming through your roof.
You got 20 more min summer.
Quoting TimTheWxMan:

I kid you not, I've seen premier League darts on TV before. Yes.... darts. What's next, boggle?
No, the World Series of Curling.
Quoting 476. StormTrackerScott:

Bombs are coming from planes and war ships in the Red Sea.

Let's stay on topic, Scott.
Been phun and exciting day, G' Nighty

Time for me to re-enter
Quoting 464. ncstorm:

wow this seems to an all day affair with the "March"debate..

I figure I'll ask again since the regulars are on right now and still debating climate change since this blog was posted this morning and I only got two answers..

Who went to the march from WU?.. and if you didnt go why not?





I think Astro did go. Maybe there was a cow there.
Quoting 510. TimTheWxMan:


I kid you not, I've seen premier League darts on TV before. Yes.... darts. What's next, boggle?


"You can cut the tension with a knife Pete. Let's see what letters come up on this round!! Oh what a combination of letters!! 3 Es, an R, a T and an M! This is going to be a crazy round, what action here at the Shell Boggle Open here in Houston!!"
Quoting 514. CumberlandPlateau:


Let's stay on topic, Scott.



If we limit discussion to the OP, there will be very little discussion since no WUBAs actually attended that event in person.

Also, 90% of the posts during the last two pages have been off-topic.

If you don't like a discussion, avoid it.
Quoting 518. KEEPEROFTHEGATE:


Is that suppose to be the equator, can't tell.
And yes, Nathan did go. He texted me about it yesterday.
Quoting KoritheMan:


hey bruh

i'z be okay

how about you, Nigel? :D



I'm good, though things could be better. :)

Quoting GTstormChaserCaleb:
Hey Nigel, what is the weather like in that tropical paradise island of yours?


It has been wet, especially since the start of August. Vegetation is lush once more. Well, not quite in Kingston, but it has improved markedly from a month and a half ago.
Quoting 291. Naga5000:



Look at the research. Denial of climate science is associated with totalitarian free market ideology not the other way around. Acceptance of climate science has no political predictor. Your using anecdotal evidence of this blog to back your assertion? Poor methodology. There is no research supporting that "the science is politically corrupt". Your argument lacks substance and has no basis is reality.



Yes. We know that. The iPCC knows that. That was not what he/she was asking. Tell us something we don't already know. Enlighten us.
525. Wyote
I've been away for awhile and come back to see too many trolls and deluded idiots. Please consider this post today from Robert Scribbler: (Link
Meanwhile, global CO2 levels were hovering near their annual minimum at just above 395 parts per million after hitting a maximum level near 402 parts per million in May of 2014. At current rates of increase, global CO2 is likely to remain above the 400 parts per million concentration year-round within less than three years.

For context, the last time CO2 levels were this high, global temperatures were 2-3 degrees Celsius hotter than they were today and sea levels were at least 75 feet higher. But since humans emit a number of other powerful greenhouse gasses, the global CO2 measure alone doesn’t take into account the entire picture. If all other human heat trapping gasses are added in, the global CO2 equivalent heat forcing (CO2e) is around 481 ppm, which is enough to increase temperatures, long-term by about 3.8 degrees Celsius and to melt more than half of the world’s current ice sheets.

At the current pace of emission it will take less than 30 years to lock in a 550 ppm CO2 equivalent value — enough to melt all the ice on Earth and to raise temperatures by between 5 and 6 degrees Celsius long-term.



(Global carbon emissions continued along a worst-case track during 2013. Note that estimated temperature increases are for this century only. For context, it took 12,000 years for the world to warm 5 degrees Celsius at the end of the last ice age. Image source: Global Carbon Project.)

Good God, you fools!

Quoting 520. KoritheMan:



If we limit discussion to the OP, there will be very little discussion since WUBAs actually attended that event in person.

Also, 90% of the posts during the last two pages have been off-topic.

If you don't like a discussion, avoid it.

Incorrect, Sir.

If the discussion is off topic, I will flag it.

But thank you.
Quoting 525. Wyote:

I've been away for awhile and come back to see too many trolls and deluded idiots. Please consider this post today from Robert Scribbler: (Link
Meanwhile, global CO2 levels were hovering near their annual minimum at just above 395 parts per million after hitting a maximum level near 402 parts per million in May of 2014. At current rates of increase, global CO2 is likely to remain above the 400 parts per million concentration year-round within less than three years.

For context, the last time CO2 levels were this high, global temperatures were 2-3 degrees Celsius hotter than they were today and sea levels were at least 75 feet higher. But since humans emit a number of other powerful greenhouse gasses, the global CO2 measure alone doesn%u2019t take into account the entire picture. If all other human heat trapping gasses are added in, the global CO2 equivalent heat forcing (CO2e) is around 481 ppm, which is enough to increase temperatures, long-term by about 3.8 degrees Celsius and to melt more than half of the world%u2019s current ice sheets.

At the current pace of emission it will take less than 30 years to lock in a 550 ppm CO2 equivalent value %u2014 enough to melt all the ice on Earth and to raise temperatures by between 5 and 6 degrees Celsius long-term.



(Global carbon emissions continued along a worst-case track during 2013. Note that estimated temperature increases are for this century only. For context, it took 12,000 years for the world to warm 5 degrees Celsius at the end of the last ice age. Image source: Global Carbon Project.)

Good God, you fools!



Are the predictions coming from 2200 or the year 2039. Because most I have seen are from 2200. A bit long way out, wouldn't you think?
Quoting 509. sar2401:

They are actually making some pretty good progress. All the tourists that wanted to leave are gone. 90% of the power has been restored in La Paz but only 19% in Cabo. It will take at least another week to get back up to about 75% there. The federal highways are back open and most of the cell phone communications north of Cabo have been restored although it's still spotty in Cabo. Humanitarian supplies are flowing in by sea and through the airport, which will take about two more weeks to open for commercial traffic. Six deaths have been reported. Two were a man and woman on a capsized sailboat in La Paz harbor, one was German tourist who suffered a heart attack aboard his boat in La Paz, and three from drowning crossing flooded streams. None were reported from Cabo itself, which is really quite surprising. The big push now is to get things cleaned up and rebuilt before the Christmas tourist season.

this is very good news well done mexico
sar can ya tell em
next time
when a cat 4 is at the door
its best to leave
o and close the door
behind ya
Quoting 440. KEEPEROFTHEGATE:

winter begins December 21, 6:03 P.M. EST 89 days


I always look forward to the day after, because the days begin to get longer. It ought to be the recognized New Years Day.
Quoting 434. KEEPEROFTHEGATE:

September 22, 10:29 P.M. EDT when the sun crosses the line 1hr 56 mins from now


Now is a great time for them Indonesians to get some sun!!!
Quoting 504. nigel20:



Hi Caleb!

The western Caribbean is prone these storms, especially off the coast of central America/sw of Jamaica. The most recent being hurricane Sandy, with Wilma being the most powerful. Mitch may have been the most feared, though.

What do you guys think?
Rocket set for takeoff in T - 10...9...8...7...6...5...4...3...2...1...and liftoff. No, but seriously the factors are there for something to deepen if a system can get in there. High TCHP, High sst, low wind shear bottom and top of atmosphere, fast trade winds no longer an issue, and saturated atmosphere. Again, the steering has to allow for something to get in there. Right now there is a trough over the East Coast, but that is forecasted to lift out and be replaced by a ridge which might bring some record warmth to places like Chicago and St. Louis.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6c/ Train_derailed_by_the_1935_hurricane.jpg
Quoting 526. CumberlandPlateau:


Incorrect, Sir. If the discussion is off topic, I will flag it. But thank you.
flag away if the purpose is to disrupt an otherwise civilized discussion well I will then take care of it
Quoting 530. weatherbro:



Now is a great time for them Indonesians to get some sun!!!
Hi Weatherbro!

The train knocked over by the 18- foot storm surge during the Great Labor Day Hurricane of 1935.
Quoting 530. weatherbro:



Now is a great time for them Indonesians to get some sun!!!
8 mins remain summer 2014
537. flsky
None of your business.
Quoting 464. ncstorm:

wow this seems to an all day affair with the "March"debate..

I figure I'll ask again since the regulars are on right now and still debating climate change since this blog was posted this morning and I only got two answers..

Who went to the march from WU?.. and if you didnt go why not?




Quoting 509. sar2401:

They are actually making some pretty good progress. All the tourists that wanted to leave are gone. 90% of the power has been restored in La Paz but only 19% in Cabo. It will take at least another week to get back up to about 75% there. The federal highways are back open and most of the cell phone communications north of Cabo have been restored although it's still spotty in Cabo. Humanitarian supplies are flowing in by sea and through the airport, which will take about two more weeks to open for commercial traffic. Six deaths have been reported. Two were a man and woman on a capsized sailboat in La Paz harbor, one was German tourist who suffered a heart attack aboard his boat in La Paz, and three from drowning crossing flooded streams. None were reported from Cabo itself, which is really quite surprising. The big push now is to get things cleaned up and rebuilt before the Christmas tourist season.
Thank You Sar, for that sound bit of info. and that is good to hear. Fortunately, Odile was undergoing an EWRC before landfall, so weakened a bit. Unfortunate and sad for the deaths. Do you know of any Red Cross sending disaster relief into Cabo?
It would be interesting if they did something else with the naming system. Maybe use the periodic table of elements??

Hurricane Germanium

Tropical storm Helium

Hurricane Plutonium....
Quoting 510. TimTheWxMan:


I kid you not, I've seen premier League darts on TV before. Yes.... darts. What's next, boggle?

Major League Checkers
National Connect Four Association
Quoting 404. Patrap:

Green energy will bring about the Death of NASCAR no doubt.

...Murica'

But the death of NASCAR would mean no more "debris" cautions, and I just love those "debris" cautions. I'd also miss the current chase format, as I adore NASCAR having a playoff-type system now.

/s
Quoting GTstormChaserCaleb:
Rocket set for takeoff in T - 10...9...8...7...6...5...4...3...2...1...and liftoff. No, but seriously the factors are there for something to deepen if a system can get in there. High TCHP, High sst, low wind shear bottom and top of atmosphere, fast trade winds no longer an issue, and saturated atmosphere. Again, the steering has to allow for something to get in there. Right now there is a trough over the East Coast, but that is forecasted to lift out and be replaced by a ridge which might bring some record warmth to places like Chicago and St. Louis.

Thanks for your input, Caleb, It's much appreciated!
Quoting 529. BayFog:



I always look forward to the day after, because the days begin to get longer. It ought to be the recognized New Years Day.
its a long process to the gain but ya get few seconds more everyday
Quoting 521. Climate175:

Is that suppose to be the equator, can't tell.

Looks like a map of the middle east.
Quoting 535. HurriHistory:


The train knocked over by the 18- foot storm surge during the Great Labor Day Hurricane of 1935.

Have you read this one?
Quoting 541. nigel20:


Thanks for your input, Caleb, It's much appreciated!
You are welcome buddy, so what is your thoughts on the potential system the GFS is showing approaching the islands in 7-10 days?


A cartoon by Kathy Zhang illustrates the asymmetrical nature of the fight over climate policy. Stasis is easy.Credit Kathy Zhang
Quoting 539. opal92nwf:

It would be interesting if they did something else with the naming system. Maybe use the periodic table of elements??

Hurricane Germanium

Tropical storm Helium

Hurricane Plutonium....
Hurricane Carbon :D
Eloise happening at this point 39 years ago. One of the few North Gulf Coast major hurricanes to be strengthening at landfall.
Quoting 544. opal92nwf:


Have you read this one?



I have that book!!
New York City's greenhouse gas emissions as one-ton spheres of carbon dioxide gas

Fall has arrived!
Quoting 547. GTstormChaserCaleb:

Hurricane Carbon :D

How about Hurricane Tin, that sounds pretty fierce..
Quoting 543. BayFog:


Looks like a map of the middle east.


Or a melting arctic:
Quoting 551. Climate175:

Fall has arrived!
Quoting 555. GTstormChaserCaleb:


Quoting 525. Wyote:

I've been away for awhile and come back to see too many trolls and deluded idiots. Please consider this post today from Robert Scribbler: (Link
Meanwhile, global CO2 levels were hovering near their annual minimum at just above 395 parts per million after hitting a maximum level near 402 parts per million in May of 2014. At current rates of increase, global CO2 is likely to remain above the 400 parts per million concentration year-round within less than three years.

For context, the last time CO2 levels were this high, global temperatures were 2-3 degrees Celsius hotter than they were today and sea levels were at least 75 feet higher. But since humans emit a number of other powerful greenhouse gasses, the global CO2 measure alone doesn’t take into account the entire picture. If all other human heat trapping gasses are added in, the global CO2 equivalent heat forcing (CO2e) is around 481 ppm, which is enough to increase temperatures, long-term by about 3.8 degrees Celsius and to melt more than half of the world’s current ice sheets.

At the current pace of emission it will take less than 30 years to lock in a 550 ppm CO2 equivalent value — enough to melt all the ice on Earth and to raise temperatures by between 5 and 6 degrees Celsius long-term.



(Global carbon emissions continued along a worst-case track during 2013. Note that estimated temperature increases are for this century only. For context, it took 12,000 years for the world to warm 5 degrees Celsius at the end of the last ice age. Image source: Global Carbon Project.)

Good God, you fools!


And the weather still has not changed. Still hot in the summer, and cold in the winter. We will all be dead before the sea level rises 1/100th of a centimeter. You fanatics will be recorded as the whirling dervish flagellants of a fleeting, politically driven, unscientific age, not because I say so, but because you have no concrete evidence to back you up, now or before. I welcome more CO2. Plants breath it. I am buying land in Canada and I do not want permafrost getting in the way of my drills.
Quoting GTstormChaserCaleb:
Thank You Sar, for that sound bit of info. and that is good to hear. Fortunately, Odile was undergoing an EWRC before landfall, so weakened a bit. Unfortunate and sad for the deaths. Do you know of any Red Cross sending disaster relief into Cabo?

Indeed! Looking at the aftermath, the wind did a fair bit of damage.

Major Hurricane King hit Miami Beach on October 18 1950 with 150-MPH winds.
Quoting 502. GTstormChaserCaleb:

You are right, sorry if I offended anyone with that last sentence. It's just like with any other extremist groups they take over the major news outlets and you hardly ever get to see what else is going on in the news around world.


They aren't your standard extremist group though, they are utterly barbaric and completely absent of any morality. While they are a minority, they are marketing themselves well online to troubled young people in the same way a gang markets itself. And its working. They are gaining increasing support with an increase in funding and people joining the cause, even from Canada, the U.S. European nations like the U.K. and France, and other countries.

Sure, they are still a minority, but if they can gain more power, they will not hesitate to torture and slaughter innocent lives. I am not one prone to war, I wish it could be avoided at all costs, but sometimes war is inevitable, sometimes its needed. But it should be done only with thorough consideration.

With that said, with many governments in a situation of weakness due to lost of struggle and war already such as Syria, Libya, Iraq, and Afghanistan, they are trying to take advantage of that and have gained some territory.

We can't sit back and wait until they become powerful, something needs to be done. As big of a deal Odille was, ISIS is worthy of being a larger world story.

With that said though, this is a meteorology blog, so I don't think we should expand on the issue too much.
Quoting 553. opal92nwf:


How about Hurricane Tin, that sounds pretty fierce..
Sounds like Tip's brother. How about Hurricane Argon sounds like a dragon. Or we could name hurricanes after famous scientists like Hurricane Celsius, Hurricane Fahrenheit, and Hurricane Kelvin. Or we could name it after a poet, imagine Hurricane Homer.
Quoting 548. opal92nwf:

Eloise happening at this point 39 years ago. One of the few North Gulf Coast major hurricanes to be strengthening at landfall.



hey opal here u are in 95 end of sept

Quoting 544. opal92nwf:


Have you read this one?

I'm reading it right now for the third time. Great Book. Category 5 is also another great book i highly recommend you read.
Quoting 544. opal92nwf:


Have you read this one?

Great place to run a metal detector if it is not a golf course now.
Quoting GTstormChaserCaleb:
You are welcome buddy, so what is your thoughts on the potential system the GFS is showing approaching the islands in 7-10 days?


It seems plausible, this would likely be our last central Atlantic storm. But let's see what pans out.
Quoting 553. opal92nwf:


How about Hurricane Tin, that sounds pretty fierce..


For a second I read that as hurricane Tim. Lol
Coastal Storm in the making.
Quoting 519. Hurricanes101:



"You can cut the tension with a knife Pete. Let's see what letters come up on this round!! Oh what a combination of letters!! 3 Es, an R, a T and an M! This is going to be a crazy round, what action here at the Shell Boggle Open here in Houston!!"


It boggles my mind how bad I'd be at boggle.

Satt photo of Hurricane Donna on September 9th, 1960.
Hi Skye, I think you need to do the research on the oyster deaths in the N. Pacific since you are claiming it ocean acidification. I mean do the actual research not just repeat something you read that someone else wrote and did the research on. I glad they are finally going green, now if you can just the football team to start playing well again. I would appreciate it. I don't deny the climate is changing, I would like the people on this blog to do the actual research to prove their points, instead of repeating other people research. It seems you are well educated, try it sometimes you will be amazed by the lack of knowledge that goes into some of these research papers and the way their data can be manipulated to prove their theories. Good night all this is the last you will hear from me on climate change, as the only fix to climate change is population control,
Quoting 535. HurriHistory:


The train knocked over by the 18- foot storm surge during the Great Labor Day Hurricane of 1935.


Their plan of escaping derailed. Hmmmm. Bad pun if people were on that. I'll go sit in the corner now. :(
Quoting 474. GTstormChaserCaleb:

Got that from my professor, had a long discussion about Climate Change with him. He thinks what is happening is that there is melting of the polar ice caps going on at the bottom due to the warming of the ocean water and that soot is settling on top of the ice and melting it at the top leaving a thinner concentration of the ice sheet.

I'm sure you have seen this map.



Have you seen this one, Webber?




Sure he can hypothesize soot is having some effect (& I really don't blame him for pointing that out), but the last few years of slightly healthier sea ice has (not surprisingly) coincided with the AMO coming off its climax following the 2009-10 El Nino (& lack thereof since). The larger influx of warmer than normal water in a warm AMO melts ice on the Atlantic side of the arctic from underneath & it's quite evident this side of the arctic is bearing the brunt of the melting...

Greenland Sea


Barents Sea


Kara Sea


However, on the Pacific side in the Bering Sea where the PDO flipped into its cold mode in the 2000s, sea ice in 2012 actually set an all-time record high and has been predominantly stable with undulations (likely related to annual-interdecadal ENSO & PDO variability) since the dawn of the satellite record...
Quoting 571. NativeSun:

Hi Skye, I think you need to do the research on the oyster deaths in the N. Pacific since you are claiming it ocean acidification. I mean do the actual research not just repeat something you read that someone else wrote and did the research on. I glad they are finally going green, now if you can just the football team to start playing well again. I would appreciate it. I don't deny the climate is changing, I would like the people on this blog to do the actual research to prove their points, instead of repeating other people research. It seems you are well educated, try it sometimes you will be amazed by the lack of knowledge that goes into some of these research papers and the way their data can be manipulated to prove their theories. Good night all this is the last you will hear from me on climate change, as the only fix to climate change is population control,


Watch what you say with that last sentence. If the conspiracy theorists saw that thry will claim that you're part of FEMA throwing people into their camps. :p
Quoting 523. nigel20:




I'm good, though things could be better. :)



It has been wet, especially since the start of August. Vegetation is lush once more. Well, not quite in Kingston, but it has improved markedly from a month and a half ago.


At least you didn't say things are DEFINITELY good like most people (myself included) do. I actually rather despise that formality, so I try and answer honestly when people ask me. :P


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FXUS62 KTBW 230141 AAA
AFDTBW

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION...UPDATED
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE TAMPA BAY RUSKIN FL
941 PM EDT MON SEP 22 2014

...HEAVY RAIN THREAT REMAINS OVERNIGHT...

.UPDATE...
WET DAY TURNS INTO A WET NIGHT FOR PORTIONS OF THE NATURE
COAST...WHERE THE STALLED FRONTAL BOUNDARY AND THE NEARING COLD
FRONT ARE INTERACTING AND PRODUCING SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS.
PORTIONS OF LEVY COUNTY HAVE SEEN HEAVY RAINFALL WITH SOME REPORTS
OF STREET FLOODING IN CHIEFLAND THIS EVENING.

HEAVIEST RAIN DOWN SOUTH HAS MOVED OUT OF LEE COUNTY INTO COLLIER
COUNTY THIS EVENING. MOST OF THE AREA WILL SEE SHOWERS AND
SPRINKLES HERE AND THERE THROUGH THE NIGHT. 00Z TBW SOUNDING HAD A
HEALTHY PRECIPITABLE WATER VALUE OF 1.95 INCHES. 18Z GFS HAS
PICKED UP ON THE CURRENT FORECAST TREND PRETTY WELL...EVEN
RESOLVING A BIT OF DRIER AIR OVER SOUTHWEST FLORIDA HERE AROUND
00Z.

A LOW LEVEL JET WILL BUILD OVER SW FLORIDA LATER TONIGHT...ALLOWING
FOR SHOWER COVERAGE TO RETURN AND EVEN THE POSSIBILITY OF SOME
THUNDER. THE LOW LEVEL JET WILL SLIDE NORTH AND EAST INTO THE
INTERSTATE 4 CORRIDOR BEFORE MOVING INTO THE ATLANTIC. THIS
FEATURE AT THE LOWER LEVELS...A TROUGH SWINGING THROUGH AT THE MID
LEVELS...AND PLENTY OF MOISTURE AROUND 12Z SHOULD MAKE FOR
INCREASING MORNING SHOWER AND THUNDERSTORM COVERAGE.

HAVE UPDATED THE FORECAST TO ACCOUNT FOR THESE CHANGES AND
OBSERVED TRENDS. NEW ZONES HAVE BEEN SENT THIS EVENING ACCOUNTING
FOR THE CHANGES. HEAVY RAIN AND FLOODING REMAIN CONCERNS
OVERNIGHT...THOUGH CONFIDENCE IS NOT HIGH ENOUGH TO ISSUE A FLOOD
WATCH AT THE MOMENT. WILL ALLOW THE NEXT SHIFT TO MONITOR FORECAST
TRENDS WITH REGARDS TO FLOOD CONCERNS.
Quoting 570. HurriHistory:


Satt photo of Hurricane Donna on September 9th, 1960.


Donna is certainly comparable in size to category 4 Hurricane Charley that also struck southwest Florida... "Vortcane" perhaps?
Quoting 481. GTstormChaserCaleb:

Oh S*** the world is going to end tonight. Good hopefully, the US obliterates the hell out of them. Nothing new in that region of the world has always seen turmoil even before Christ. I really feel sorry for the innocent people though who go to sleep at night not knowing if there going to live to see the light of the next day. In other news, what ever happen to the news of the aftermath of Odile? That seems to get brushed aside for nonsense like ISIS.

5 confirmed deaths, 4 people missing right now. With a damage total of $906.4 million (likely to rise), Odile is currently the 10th costliest Pacific hurricane in the historical record.
Quoting 579. TropicalAnalystwx13:


5 confirmed deaths, 4 people missing right now. With a damage total of $906.4 million (likely to rise), Odile is currently the 10th costliest Pacific hurricane in the historical record.
that one will retire
Quoting 571. NativeSun:

Hi Skye, I think you need to do the research on the oyster deaths in the N. Pacific since you are claiming it ocean acidification. I mean do the actual research not just repeat something you read that someone else wrote and did the research on. I glad they are finally going green, now if you can just the football team to start playing well again. I would appreciate it. I don't deny the climate is changing, I would like the people on this blog to do the actual research to prove their points, instead of repeating other people research. It seems you are well educated, try it sometimes you will be amazed by the lack of knowledge that goes into some of these research papers and the way their data can be manipulated to prove their theories. Good night all this is the last you will hear from me on climate change, as the only fix to climate change is population control,

"I mean do the actual research not just repeat something you read that someone else wrote and did the research on."
Yeah, we should all go out and do our own research all the time. Since you can't trust professionals who have been doing this all their life. That really makes sense.

Another October Hurricane which struck South Florida. This one, Isbell from 1964. A cousin to Hurricane's Cleo and Dora also from 1964.
Quoting KoritheMan:


At least you didn't say things are DEFINITELY good like most people (myself included) do. I actually rather despise that formality, so I try and answer honestly when people ask me. :P

Agreed. So, how's to weather in your neck of the woods? I know the weather is not totally dissimilar from we'd expect in the tropics, at least May-October. With quite a bit of lightning and cloud tops approaching 50 000ft.
Quoting 585. nigel20:


Agreed. So, how's to weather in your neck of the woods? I know the weather is not totally dissimilar from we'd expect in the tropics, at least May-October. With quite a bit of lightning and cloud tops approaching 50 000ft.


It's boring.

needz moar tropical systems
587. skook
I took this picture while sitting in traffic on the Courtney Campbell causeway, over Tampa Bay. When we caught up to the cloud, there must of been a 10 degree swing in the temperature.


Currently going through this scientific paper, for those who are interested in ENSO & its effects on global tropical cyclone activity, I highly recommend. Definitely an easier read compared to most papers I've come across...
Link
People's climate march brings out 10 jm bloggers. They are anti climate change and the science means nothing to them.
Quoting KoritheMan:


It's boring.

needz moar tropical systems

Maybe you'll have to wait until 2015 or beyond. :)

At least we tend to have strong afternoon convection in the tropics, especially as a result of diurnal heating/sea breeze convergence and inverted troughs. Some of these thunderstorms can quite violent, as evident by a recent event. Lightning blew off one of our plug receptacle cover back in August, I lost a printer as well. It's not the first time our light pole is being hit by lightning, but that strike may have been the most powerful. It's possible that it was positive lightning, which are generally less common.
I know this is off-topic but....


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Quoting 561. GTstormChaserCaleb:

Sounds like Tip's brother. How about Hurricane Argon sounds like a dragon. Or we could name hurricanes after famous scientists like Hurricane Celsius, Hurricane Fahrenheit, and Hurricane Kelvin. Or we could name it after a poet, imagine Hurricane Homer.
For some reason I find the name Celcius threatening.
Quoting 576. KEEPEROFTHEGATE:



0215z 27 oct 1998
What a beauty, I am doing a report for my environment class of this monster of the effects that it had in Honduras.
Yesterday mornings 12z soundings for Jacksonville bottomed out at 60 F

596. 7544
Quoting 584. Grothar:




heading right for u gro
Quoting 557. Pallis1:

And the weather still has not changed. Still hot in the summer, and cold in the winter. We will all be dead before the sea level rises 1/100th of a centimeter. You fanatics will be recorded as the whirling dervish flagellants of a fleeting, politically driven, unscientific age, not because I say so, but because you have no concrete evidence to back you up, now or before. I welcome more CO2. Plants breath it. I am buying land in Canada and I do not want permafrost getting in the way of my drills.


Just about every scientific organization across the planet disagrees with you. But why listen to the combined knowledge and experience of experts going back almost 200 years on the subject when we can listen to...you.

Clearly your argument shows an incredible intellect beyond even the likes of Einstein. In fact, I'm sure you have a stack of research sitting next to your computer that's just waiting to be published to show that this is all just imaginary and everything is just fine. By this time next year you'll be sitting on a beach enjoying a cold drink bankrolled by the several Nobel's you've won for physics, chemistry, and math.

Man, if only that were true.
Sad your worried off topic when exactly on topic.
Quoting 551. Climate175:

Fall has arrived!


Winter... Termination dust here... Fall is over...
Quoting 596. 7544:



heading right for u gro


We've had quite a lightning show over the ocean.
Quoting 591. Grothar:

I know this is off-topic but....


Link


I liked the walk between the two mountain peaks and the ended snippet "Depending on the weather of course".

The first clip about CO2 levels was on topic though...

Were you FASCINATED by those clips, Gro?
Quoting 570. HurriHistory:


Satt photo of Hurricane Donna on September 9th, 1960.


We've come a long way in technology since I was a boy.

Quoting KEEPEROFTHEGATE:

this is very good news well done mexico
sar can ya tell em
next time
when a cat 4 is at the door
its best to leave
o and close the door
behind ya
Yeah, it would be nice if they had that option, but at least Cabo and Baja California Sur is generally not low lying, so they don't have the storm surge problems we see other places. The mountains and surrounding desert offset that some in terms of flooding. I've been very impressed with the way the Mexican Government has handled things so far. They did a tremendous upgrade to their emergency response skills and ability since the Mexico City earthquake and it seems to have paid off. While many wanted the US to just go sailing in and take over, the Mexicans wanted to handle this on their own, since their ability to respond to national emergencies would never improve if other countries always bailed them out. The coordination between the Navy, Air Force, and Civil Protection seems to have paid off this time. I don't think many countries could have done better considering this occurred at the far edge of the country.
Ok this is as far out as I'll go. I know it is stretching it. Persistence is hard to disregard here. It may be our last Cape Verde storm of the 2014 season.

We're leaving for Long Island this week and it is supposed to be in the 80's. I thought we could escape the heat a little.





Jet stream piling in toward the West Coast, low pressure deepening in the Gulf of Alaska. High clouds began streaming in over Bay Area skies this afternoon. Beautiful sunset, balmy temps from 65 F SSTs. Hoping for first significant rain of the season starting Wednesday.
Sar I'm still waiting for apology. I reported situation from position of extreme local knowledge and you said i was wrong, You know I was right now but so small to not admit it. You just gave a flip response not worried truth. You posted false statements and should of been banned.
Quoting 602. Grothar:



We've come a long way in technology since I was a boy.



I recall a local TV weatherman here in the Bay Area in the early 60s, a real non-telegenic, straight-talking guy (dang, I just recalled his name---Leon Hunzinger!) who would actually use those early satellite photos in his forecasts. They were grainy black and white like that one of Donna you posted, and hard to decipher, but he'd point to one and say "The storms are lining up all the way to Japan!" or "Looks like a Hawaiian storm for the next several days". (that was what they called them before slicker weathercasters invented terms like "Pineapple Connection")

Here it comes. Get ready!
Quoting 605. Grothar:

We're leaving for Long Island this week and it is supposed to be in the 80's. I thought we could escape the heat a little.




Yep, I made a note about that ridge in my earlier post to Nigel. We might see a summer like pattern for the next week or so along with a tropical storm approaching the islands.

Quoting 609. HurriHistory:


Here it comes. Get ready!
I'll tell you what you'll be lucky to not get bashed by some blog members on here for posting a model run 384 hrs. out, yet when I post it the herd goes wild. Anyways, I am out for the night everyone have a goodnight wish other people on here would wish others a goodnight because you never know if you might communicate with that person ever again. By the way it was nice to see civil discussions tonight on the topic of Climate Change.
Quoting Wyote:
At the current pace of emission it will take less than 30 years to lock in a 550 ppm CO2 equivalent value %u2014 enough to melt all the ice on Earth and to raise temperatures by between 5 and 6 degrees Celsius long-term.
Then the entire problem is solved. We cannot stop the current growth of carbon emissions within 30 years for us not to get to this level of CO2. It's baked in now. That means all the ice on earth is going to melt and we're all going to die. That being the case, why do you keep bothering us? Let's spend what little time we have left having the biggest party ever seen before we all shuffle off this mortal coil. If what the Global Carbon people say is true, why all the marching about and these time wasting meetings?

Ot, it's really not. You can't have it both ways Scaring people to death doesn't get action - it gets paralysis. Either there are things we can do today that doesn't involve giving up the use of fire or there's not. How about if you tell the truth about what you think we should be doing or stop with the self-righteous claptrap about what fools, deluded idiots, and trolls we all - are except you, of course.
Quoting 610. GTstormChaserCaleb:

Yep, I made a note about that ridge in my earlier post to Nigel. We might see a summer like pattern for the next week or so along with a tropical storm approaching the islands.




GT - Alaska's Fall colors peaked in July... ( just kidding, it was really the middle of September)
Quoting 612. sar2401:

Then the entire problem is solved. We cannot stop the current growth of carbon emissions within 30 years for us not to get to this level of CO2. It's baked in now. That means all the ice on earth is going to melt and we're all going to die. That being the case, why do you keep bothering us? Let's spend what little time we have left having the biggest party ever seen before we all shuffle off this mortal coil. If what the
Global Carbon people say is true, why all the marching about and these time wasting meetings?

Ot, it's really not. You can't have it both ways Scaring people to death doesn't get action - it gets paralysis. Either there are things we can do today that doesn't involve giving up the use of fire or there's not. How about if you tell the truth about what you think we should be doing or stop with the self-righteous claptrap about what fools, deluded idiots, and trolls we all - are except you, of course.
since I've proven you lie, why would anyone believe you.
centex give it break or should I just give you a break instead
Quoting 615. KEEPEROFTHEGATE:

centex give it break or should I just give you a break instead
I've asked for apology and he refuses. It was not a wrong forecast but rejection of reported facts. The fact hold but not sar. He even posted false facts and refuses to admit it. A simple crow while not appropriate in non forecast will do for this site,
Quoting 605. Grothar:

We're leaving for Long Island this week and it is supposed to be in the 80's. I thought we could escape the heat a little.






Some of us are welcoming this warmth back. It's been cold the last two weeks, with highs only in the low 70s! 80s, please come back!!!

----

I am going to begin my report of the People's Climate March tomorrow. I have some pictures, and I'll give my personal take on it. :)
Quoting 616. centex:

I've asked for apology and he refuses. It was not a wrong forecast but rejection of reported facts. The fact hold but not sar. He even posted false facts and refuses to admit it. A simple crow while not appropriate in non forecast will do for this site,

Quoting 616. centex:

I've asked for apology and he refuses. It was not a wrong forecast but rejection of reported facts. The fact hold but not sar. He even posted false facts and refuses to admit it. A simple crow while not appropriate in non forecast will do for this site,

Quoting 616. centex:

I've asked for apology and he refuses. It was not a wrong forecast but rejection of reported facts. The fact hold but not sar. He even posted false facts and refuses to admit it. A simple crow while not appropriate in non forecast will do for this site,

so ban truth and allow lies.
just growing tried of the back and forth personal issues have nothing to do with anything
and I won't ban ya just asking ya to give it a rest nothing more nothing less
Quoting BayFog:

I recall a local TV weatherman here in the Bay Area in the early 60s, a real non-telegenic, straight-talking guy (dang, I just recalled his name---Leon Hunzinger!) who would actually use those early satellite photos in his forecasts. They were grainy black and white like that one of Donna you posted, and hard to decipher, but he'd point to one and say "The storms are lining up all the way to Japan!" or "Looks like a Hawaiian storm for the next several days". (that was what they called them before slicker weathercasters invented terms like "Pineapple Connection")
You're thinking of Leon Hunsaker, a meteorologist that was with KOBI/KTVL out of Medford, OR. His show was picked up on cable in the Sacramento Valley area. He was one of the early early TV mets and taught people a lot about the jet stream. Unfortunately, he got fixated in later life on a repeat of the 1862 Sacramento Valley flood and predicted it several times, the last in 1997, when he had a full fledged on-air battle with the NWS and Corps of Engineers on how it was about to happen again. The flood of 1997 was bad but nothing like the 1862 flood. That was the end of his TV career. He still writes about what will happen when the flood of 1862 does happen again and has really gotten to be quite a character about the whole thing. I think he just turned 90 and it would be better if people just left him alone until the end comes.
I post summary from 20 news sources and sar rejects it not even reading one. Than he post link to story that only confirms what I said and act like his version is right. I was made out to be fool, guess he thought no one would care. Now you want to ban me. Justice? Just looking for apology, is that crazy? This not controversial subject, just local flood victim.
Quoting 622. sar2401:

You're thinking of Leon Hunsaker, a meteorologist that was with KOBI/KTVL out of Medford, OR. His show was picked up on cable in the Sacramento Valley area. He was one of the early early TV mets and taught people a lot about the jet stream. Unfortunately, he got fixated in later life on a repeat of the 1862 Sacramento Valley flood and predicted it several times, the last in 1997, when he had a full fledged on-air battle with the NWS and Corps of Engineers on how it was about to happen again. The flood of 1997 was bad but nothing like the 1862 flood. That was the end of his TV career. He still writes about what will happen when the flood of 1862 does happen again and has really gotten to be quite a character about the whole thing. I think he just turned 90 and it would be better if people just left him alone until the end comes.

Yeah that's the guy. Wow, he's still around? He was already long in the tooth when he was on KPIX in San Francisco in the early 1960s. I liked him then. HIs forecasts were always dead on, and came with a technical explanation. Never heard of the rest of that story.
Quoting 623. centex:

I post summary from 20 news sources and sar rejects it not even reading one. Than he post link to story that only confirms what I said and act like his version is right. I was made out to be fool, guess he thought no one would care. Now you want to ban me. Justice? Just looking for apology, is that crazy? This not controversial subject, just local flood victim.
nobody is going to ban ya not for that anyway you are making it personal simple just move on and I don't think anyone would think you a fool unless u give them reason too but that's up to yourself
anyway I have had enough of everybody going to bed we take it all back up in the am

Quoting 625. KEEPEROFTHEGATE:

nobody is going to ban ya not for that anyway you are making it personal simple just move on and I don't think anyone would think you a fool unless u give them reason too but that's up to yourself
I was personally attached, apparently not a problem here. Funny it was not controversial issue. I just thought a seasoned blogger would not keep to lie. All I wanted was simple apology. This proves you lie here and not be accountable. I guess I'm the fool. Will spend less time here.
Ok, mods, send a message to xxx to apologize via email to victim, or risk being banned. Do not let this go. People have been complaining how blog comments are going down hill, this will send a message, the devious methods are the worst. Give our comments respectability
. I've been asked to let it go. Simple for the mods.
It will feel cooler, especially at night and if you are close to the water. You guys had a rough, hot and humid summer. Enjoy! Say hello to all my friends in the Hamptons...lol

Quoting 605. Grothar:

We're leaving for Long Island this week and it is supposed to be in the 80's. I thought we could escape the heat a little.




GFS thinks The East Pacific is quiet with development. Could that signal the cyclone development will shift to the Atlantic, GOM, or Caribbean?
nothing can hang my hat on this morning in the atlantic tropics. just a mess of rain showers. have a nice day
Quoting 605. Grothar:

We're leaving for Long Island this week and it is supposed to be in the 80's. I thought we could escape the heat a little.






It was in the 40's this morning.
GFS has been showing a low rider that approaches the Antilles. Is this just another phantom of the GFS?

Quoting 623. centex:

I post summary from 20 news sources and sar rejects it not even reading one. Than he post link to story that only confirms what I said and act like his version is right. I was made out to be fool, guess he thought no one would care. Now you want to ban me. Justice? Just looking for apology, is that crazy? This not controversial subject, just local flood victim.
Personal attacks are tolerated for some people. It depends on which side of the pet issue you're on.
comic thats next saturday not this upcoming one. hard to believe it could change that much to favorable atm ul winds are bad
many of our past jobs are now in mexico. if i was in charge of a company surely would not send the work there. it is the natural disaster capital of the world. mexico city? its only a matter of time till its flatten.
Holy smokes, talk about a low-rider storm.

ivan?
Quoting 638. islander101010:

ivan?


More like Tomas in 2010. Probably a nonsense scenario as neither the Euro or Canadian has yet to pick up on it.

FLOOD ADVISORY
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE JACKSONVILLE FL
717 AM EDT TUE SEP 23 2014

FLC031-231315-
/O.NEW.KJAX.FA.Y.0246.140923T1117Z-140923T1315Z/
/00000.N.ER.000000T0000Z.000000T0000Z.000000T0000Z .OO/
DUVAL FL-
717 AM EDT TUE SEP 23 2014

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN JACKSONVILLE HAS ISSUED AN

* URBAN AND SMALL STREAM FLOOD ADVISORY FOR MINOR FLOODING OF POOR
DRAINAGE AREAS IN...
WESTERN DUVAL COUNTY IN NORTHEAST FLORIDA...

* UNTIL 915 AM EDT

* AT 717 AM EDT WEATHER SERVICE DOPPLER RADAR INDICATED HEAVY RAIN
FROM WEST OF CEIL FIELD TO MAXVILLE DRIFTING EAST. RAINFALL AMOUNTS
OF 1 TO 3 INCHES IN THIS AREA WILL CAUSE LOCALIZED FLOODING.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

EXCESSIVE RUNOFF FROM THESE STORMS WILL CAUSE FLOODING OF SMALL
CREEKS AND STREAMS...HIGHWAYS...STREETS AND UNDERPASSES.
ADDITIONALLY...COUNTRY ROADS AND FARMLANDS ALONG THE BANKS OF CREEKS
AND STREAMS AND OTHER LOW LYING AREAS ARE SUBJECT TO FLOODING.

DO NOT DRIVE YOUR VEHICLE INTO AREAS WHERE THE WATER COVERS THE
ROADWAY. THE WATER DEPTH MAY BE TOO GREAT TO ALLOW YOUR CAR TO CROSS
SAFELY. MOVE TO HIGHER GROUND. REMEMBER...TURN AROUND DONT DROWN.

STAY TUNED TO NOAA WEATHER RADIO...COMMERCIAL RADIO OR TELEVISION
STATIONS...OR CABLE TELEVISION FOR ANY UPDATES OR FLOOD WARNINGS. FOR
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION...VISIT THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN
JACKSONVILLE WEBSITE ON THE INTERNET AT WEATHER.GOV/JAX.

&&
558 AM EDT TUE SEP 23 2014

THIS HAZARDOUS WEATHER OUTLOOK IS FOR EAST CENTRAL FLORIDA.

.DAY ONE...TODAY AND TONIGHT.

.THUNDERSTORM IMPACT...
A WEAK FRONTAL BOUNDARY STRETCHING ACROSS NORTH FLORIDA WILL REMAIN
STATIONARY TODAY...AS WILL A WEAK UPPER LEVEL TROUGH OVER THE STATE.
VERY DEEP MOISTURE REMAINING IN PLACE COUPLED WITH DAYTIME HEATING
AND LOCAL SEA AND LAKE BREEZE BOUNDARIES WILL LEAD TO NUMEROUS
SHOWERS AND STORMS ACROSS THE REGION TODAY...MAINLY DURING THE
AFTERNOON AND EARLY EVENING. STORM MOTION WILL BE NORTHEASTWARD AT
5 TO 10 MPH...AND THE STRONGER STORMS COULD PRODUCE FREQUENT CLOUD
TO GROUND LIGHTNING...TORRENTIAL DOWNPOURS...AND WIND GUSTS TO 40
MPH. MOVE INDOORS IF SKIES LOOK THREATENING...OR IF YOU HEAR THUNDER
IN THE DISTANCE.

.FLOOD IMPACT...
RAINFALL AMOUNTS OF 1 TO 3 INCHES WILL BE POSSIBLE IN A 60 TO 90
MINUTE PERIOD FROM SLOW MOVING STORMS TODAY. THIS WOULD RESULT IN
TEMPORARY FLOODING OF STREETS...INTERSECTIONS...AND OTHER POORLY
DRAINED LOW LYING AREAS. THIS IS ESPECIALLY THE CASE IN AREAS WHICH
RECEIVED HEAVY RAINS OVER THE LAST FEW DAYS.

.MARINE THUNDERSTORM GUST IMPACT...
STORMS WILL ALSO BE CAPABLE OF PRODUCING LOCAL WIND GUSTS TO
AROUND 35 KNOTS OVER INLAND LAKES AS WELL AS THE INTRACOASTAL AND
NEAR SHORE ATLANTIC WATERS. BOATERS SHOULD BE ALERT FOR STORMS
APPROACHING FROM THE SOUTHWEST TODAY...AND SEEK SAFE HARBOR IF
SKIES LOOK THREATENING.

.WATERSPOUT IMPACT...
THE COMBINATION OF VERY DEEP MOISTURE AND LIGHT ENVIRONMENTAL WINDS
COULD LEAD TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF FUNNEL CLOUDS OR WATERSPOUTS NEAR
OR OVER THE INTRACOASTAL WATERWAY...THE NEAR SHORE ATLANTIC...AND
THE NORTH SHORE OF LAKE OKEECHOBEE.

.RIVER FLOOD IMPACT...
WATER LEVELS CONTINUE TO SLOWLY RECEDE ALONG SHINGLE CREEK NEAR
CAMPBELL AND ON THE SAINT JOHNS RIVER AT ASTOR. HOWEVER...RAIN
CHANCES REMAIN HIGH...WITH THE POTENTIAL FOR LOCALIZED AMOUNTS OF
1 TO 3 INCHES OR A LITTLE HIGHER. SHOULD THESE LOCALLY HEAVY
RAINFALL AMOUNTS OCCUR IN THESE LOCATIONS...IT WOULD CAUSE WATER
LEVELS TO RISE ONCE AGAIN. LISTEN FOR ANY STATEMENTS OR UPDATES
FROM THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE...OR COUNTY OFFICIALS...IF YOU
LIVE NEAR EITHER OF THESE LOCATIONS.
Quoting 640. LargoFl:


FLOOD ADVISORY
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE JACKSONVILLE FL
717 AM EDT TUE SEP 23 2014

FLC031-231315-
/O.NEW.KJAX.FA.Y.0246.140923T1117Z-140923T1315Z/
/00000.N.ER.000000T0000Z.000000T0000Z.000000T0000Z .OO/
DUVAL FL-
717 AM EDT TUE SEP 23 2014

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN JACKSONVILLE HAS ISSUED AN

* URBAN AND SMALL STREAM FLOOD ADVISORY FOR MINOR FLOODING OF POOR
DRAINAGE AREAS IN...
WESTERN DUVAL COUNTY IN NORTHEAST FLORIDA...

* UNTIL 915 AM EDT

* AT 717 AM EDT WEATHER SERVICE DOPPLER RADAR INDICATED HEAVY RAIN
FROM WEST OF CEIL FIELD TO MAXVILLE DRIFTING EAST. RAINFALL AMOUNTS
OF 1 TO 3 INCHES IN THIS AREA WILL CAUSE LOCALIZED FLOODING.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

EXCESSIVE RUNOFF FROM THESE STORMS WILL CAUSE FLOODING OF SMALL
CREEKS AND STREAMS...HIGHWAYS...STREETS AND UNDERPASSES.
ADDITIONALLY...COUNTRY ROADS AND FARMLANDS ALONG THE BANKS OF CREEKS
AND STREAMS AND OTHER LOW LYING AREAS ARE SUBJECT TO FLOODING.

DO NOT DRIVE YOUR VEHICLE INTO AREAS WHERE THE WATER COVERS THE
ROADWAY. THE WATER DEPTH MAY BE TOO GREAT TO ALLOW YOUR CAR TO CROSS
SAFELY. MOVE TO HIGHER GROUND. REMEMBER...TURN AROUND DONT DROWN.

STAY TUNED TO NOAA WEATHER RADIO...COMMERCIAL RADIO OR TELEVISION
STATIONS...OR CABLE TELEVISION FOR ANY UPDATES OR FLOOD WARNINGS. FOR
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION...VISIT THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN
JACKSONVILLE WEBSITE ON THE INTERNET AT WEATHER.GOV/JAX.

&&



There is some low lying flooding beginning to occur along some of the lakes here in my area as water levels are getting very high as I have recorded 9.56" of rain so far this month.
northern parts of s america could get some flash flooding next week gert 1993 is another one this could turn into to
Only 4.32" for the month down here in Fort Myers.
2.64" at the house.

Hopefully today is my day. Only .07" in the past 24 hours at the house.
Quoting 644. Sfloridacat5:

Only 4.32" for the month down here in Fort Myers.
2.64" at the house.

Hopefully today is my day. Only .07" in the past 24 hours at the house.


That's crazy. Even Tampa has seen a lot of rain I guess you guys are under some sort of umbrella.

Tampa


Daytona Beach
OK so its late January and no tropical activity. What you guys want? Canes all year long? NHC says Tropical activity not expected in next five days.

No wait it's Sept and THE CHART says peak of season.

Must be the global climate change. All the hyper canes.

Sorry just had too, now that summer is winding down and NOTHING to even wishcast about!
Quoting 646. Autistic2:

OK so its late January and no tropical activity. What you guys want? Canes all year long? NHC says Tropical activity not expected in next five days.

No wait it's Sept and THE CHART says peak of season.

Must be the global climate change. All the hyper canes.

Sorry just had too, now that summer is winding down and NOTHING to even wishcast about!



Yes.
Speaking of Daytona Beach this was yesterday.

Lotsa young bloggers would have died of boredom in the 70's and 80's.

LOL
Quoting 646. Autistic2:

OK so its late January and no tropical activity. What you guys want? Canes all year long? NHC says Tropical activity not expected in next five days.

No wait it's Sept and THE CHART says peak of season.

Must be the global climate change. All the hyper canes.

Sorry just had too, now that summer is winding down and NOTHING to even wishcast about!



LOL. I tried to tell'em. Lots crow going to be served on here if my forecast of 5 to 7 named systems verify which looks like it is as October is next week. Back in May I took a lot of Flack as I tried to explain that El-Nino and the continued stable state of the Atlantic was going to make this season even slower than 2013 and not one person believed me.



Quoting 642. StormTrackerScott:



There is some low lying flooding beginning to occur along some of the lakes here in my area as water levels are getting very high as I have recorded 9.56" of rain so far this month.


0.98 inches at my location in NW Hillsborough County on Friday, 0.08 on Saturday, 0.00 on Sunday, and 0.24 yesterday. 1.30 total. No big deal and nothing to hype over.
new pink floyd release coming. not sure what to think? two pouches in the carib presently but no signs of development
Quoting 650. StormTrackerScott:



LOL. I tried to tell'em. Lots crow going to be served on here if my forecast of 5 to 7 named systems verify which looks like it is as October is next week. Back in May I took a lot of Flack as I tried to explain that El-Nino and the continued stable state of the Atlantic was going to make this season even slower than 2013 and not one person believed me.






There is no El Nino actually.
Quoting StormTrackerScott:


LOL. I tried to tell'em. Lots crow going to be served on here if my forecast of 5 to 7 named systems verify which looks like it is as October is next week. Back in May I took a lot of Flack as I tried to explain that El-Nino and the continued stable state of the Atlantic was going to make this season even slower than 2013 and not one person believed me.





I remember and I was one of the polite non believers. What El nino! Remember I prefer my crow in a pie.
Quoting 647. CybrTeddy:



Yes.


Go to the W-Pac I tell this Atlantic Season has done a number on you. :)
Quoting 653. tampabaymatt:



There is no El Nino actually.


Really. The atmosphere has responded and has done so since late July.

Latest Southern Oscillation Index values
SOI values for 22 Sep 2014
Average for last 30 days -9.7
Average for last 90 days -8.2
Daily contribution to SOI calculation -13.3

Quoting 649. Patrap:

Lotsa young bloggers would have died of boredom in the 70's and 80's.

LOL


Dunno, despite the relative lack of activity, the 70's and 80's also had rather nasty hurricanes. Edith, Carmen, Eloise, Anita, Greta, David, Frederic, Allen, etc. But yea, looking back on those years there were a lot of inactive hurricane seasons, too.
Quoting 654. Autistic2:



I remember and I was one of the polite non believers. What El nino! Remember I prefer my crow in a pie.


All in fun as we are all wrong heck sometimes my name is "Mr. Wrong" but I take my crow in stride as it's just a blog.
Hi Scott, you better serve up some crow to yourself for your El Nino forecast as well. Have a good morning. :)
have good day all off to work
Quoting 653. tampabaymatt:



There is no El Nino actually.


Which is even more unusual considering we're only at five named storms and September's a week from ending. The real killer this season is the exact same thing that killed last season -- a persistent and total lack of vertical instability in the main-development region. That'll probably kill next season too if it keeps up.
Quoting 659. NativeSun:

Hi Scott, you better serve up some crow to yourself for your El Nino forecast as well. Have a good morning. :)


Believe me I have been served already with crispy crow actually tasted like Popeye's.
Quoting 661. CybrTeddy:



Which is even more unusual considering we're only at five named storms and September's a week from ending. The real killer this season is the exact same thing that killed last season -- a persistent and total lack of vertical instability in the main-development region. That'll probably kill next season too if it keeps up.


The atmosphere is in an El-Nino state even Colorado State said this a few weeks back just because its not official yet doesn't mean its not present.
Quoting 661. CybrTeddy:



Which is even more unusual considering we're only at five named storms and September's a week from ending. The real killer this season is the exact same thing that killed last season -- a persistent and total lack of vertical instability in the main-development region. That'll probably kill next season too if it keeps up.


El-Nino next season as well:)
Quoting 661. CybrTeddy:



Which is even more unusual considering we're only at five named storms and September's a week from ending. The real killer this season is the exact same thing that killed last season -- a persistent and total lack of vertical instability in the main-development region. That'll probably kill next season too if it keeps up.


Of note is that the Pacific Warm anomalies are about as warm if not warmer than any observed El Nino.

I wunder why?

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anyone see this?





Short Range Forecast Discussion
NWS Weather Prediction Center College Park MD
431 AM EDT Tue Sep 23 2014

Valid 12Z Tue Sep 23 2014 - 12Z Thu Sep 25 2014


The big weather feature affecting the United States during the next few
days will be the sprawling cyclone bearing down on the Pacific Northwest
coast. This giant storm is expected to lash the coastline with strong
winds and waves, with heavy rains spreading inland to the crest of the
Cascades. The attendant cold front should slice into much of coastal
California, with significant showers reaching all the way to the San
Francisco Bay area. The central states will slowly dry out, though weak
disturbances should keep the threat of at least scattered showers through
Thursday. A large, cool Canadian high will settle through much of the
East, save the coastal Southeast and Mid Atlantic where a wave of low
pressure just offshore spreads a shield of showers over much of the
coastal plain.
what in the world is the usa becoming? some russians bought PBR. now im ticked
Quoting 663. StormTrackerScott:



The atmosphere is in an El-Nino state even Colorado State said this a few weeks back just because its not official yet doesn't mean its not present.


Actually, that's exactly what it means.
Quoting 642. StormTrackerScott:



There is some low lying flooding beginning to occur along some of the lakes here in my area as water levels are getting very high as I have recorded 9.56" of rain so far this month.
Stay safe StormTrackerScott! Get to higher ground!
Quoting 620. KEEPEROFTHEGATE:

and I won't ban ya just asking ya to give it a rest nothing more nothing less
So were you the one who gave me a ban yesterday?.
Later..

WPC Extended Discussion

..UNCERTAINTY ASSESSMENT...
STILL A TROUBLESOME FORECAST FOR THE SOUTHEAST...LOWER MS VALLEY
AND OZARKS AFTER DAY 4. THE LINGERING MID-LEVEL DISTURBANCE INVOF
THE OZARKS ATTEMPTS TO DRAW UPON THE LOW-LEVEL MOISTURE TAP AND
CAPITALIZE ON A WEAKNESS IN THE SOUTHWESTERN PERIPHERY OF THE
SURFACE-TO-700 MB LAYER RIDGE PLANTED DOWNSTREAM OVER THE OHIO
VALLEY AND DELMARVA. COUPLED WITH A STATIONARY BOUNDARY IN THE
NORTHERN GULF OF MEXICO---THE PRESENCE AND PERSISTENT OF THIS
SURFACE RIDGE OVER THE EAST CENTRAL STATES AND WESTERN ATLANTIC
OCEAN WILL PROVIDE A RATHER CONSISTENT EASTERLY TO NORTHEASTERLY
FLOW ACROSS THE SOUTHEASTERN STATES AND INTO THE GULF OF MEXICO.

CONCERNING QPF...
THE DETERMINISTIC 22/12Z UKMET WOULD BE THE MOST AGGRESSIVE
SOLUTION---WITH ITS 1006MB SFC LOW INVOF NORTHEAST MS AT 28/12Z.
THE 22/12Z ECMWF AND 22/18Z GFS LIKE THE IDEA OF LOWER PRESSURE
DEVELOPMENT IN THE MS DELTA...BUT DELAY THE DEVELOPMENT OF AN
ORGANIZED AND 'TRACK-ABLE' SURFACE WAVE A GOOD 24-36 HOURS LATER
(INTO THE DAY 6 PERIOD) BEFORE ACCOMPLISHING THE SAME TASK.

THIS SUGGESTS SEVERAL THINGS---NAMELY THE EASTERLY FLOW WILL HAVE
A PROPENSITY FOR GENERATING WEAK CYCLONIC FLOW ALONG THE NORTHERN
FRINGES OF THE STATIONARY FRONT AND TWO...THERE WILL BE SOME
INTERACTION AND POSSIBLE PHASING WITH RESIDUAL VORTICITY
MEANDERING OVER THE LOWER MISSOURI VALLEY DURING THIS CHALLENGING
DAY 5 FORECAST. THE SYNOPTIC-SCALE PATTERN ALLOWS FOR IT...AND
LEAVES THE WESTERN PORTION OF THE GULF WIDE OPEN FOR ANY SUBTLE
WAVE TO MAKE THE NORTHWARD TURN ALONG THE WESTERN PERIPHERY OF THE
SURFACE RIDGE.


THE PATTERN WILL BE A SLOWLY-EVOLVING ONE. A QUICK LOOK AT THE 00Z
CYCLE GUIDANCE AT PRESS TIME---THE GFS/UKMET AND CANADIAN---ALL
SUGGEST THE SURFACE RIDGE PATTERN ALONG THE EAST COAST REMAINS IN
PLACE.

The climate at the equator has not changed in centuries.

Why?


Enlighten us, please.


Have you been to the Caymans lately?

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Lotsa young bloggers would have died of boredom in the 70's and 80's.

LOL


Quoting 657. CybrTeddy:


Dunno, despite the relative lack of activity, the 70's and 80's also had rather nasty hurricanes. Edith, Carmen, Eloise, Anita, Greta, David, Frederic, Allen, etc. But yea, looking back on those years there were a lot of inactive hurricane seasons, too.



So True!

The slower years of the 70's and 80s did feature some devastating hits on the US, especially the Gulf Coast!

Hurricane Eloise hit the Florida Panhandle in the early morning hours of Sept 23, 1975. It was a ferocious hurricane because it strengthened all the way up to landfall - with sustained winds of 125MPH! Lots of windpower, and thousands of trees downed in Walton County, and surrounding counties in NW Florida. Southeast Alabama was also hard-hit!

Quoting 667. islander101010:

what in the world is the usa becoming? some russians bought PBR. now im ticked


Smirnoff will be next, just wait.

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I’m reachin’ for the stars
In the sky above
Oh, I will bring their beauty home
The colors of my love
And I will be a rainbow
Now your storm is gone
And I will bring my song to you
And I will carry on


Hurricane Eloise hit the Florida Panhandle in the early morning hours of Sept 23, 1975. It was a ferocious hurricane because it strengthened all the way up to landfall - with sustained winds of 125MPH! Lots of windpower, and thousands of trees downed in Walton County, and surrounding counties.



This is the 39th Anniversary of my 1st hurricane chase.

I want you to imagine a 17 year old...alone and outside in this storm. My 1960 Plymouth Valiant station wagon was like a tank...but I did not stay inside of it.

Outside in the storm and dressed in a wetsuit, booties, and two baseball gloves...I had my left arm hooked around a light pole and was lifted off of my feet several times as the eye came ashore just to my right.

Eloise landed at dawn. It's eye glowed neon pink from the refraction of light in the rising sun. It was an incredible sight.

That was an exhausting evening and morning for me. My only source of information was my AM radio in the car and a hurricane tracking map.
Well Sar is a Dude..

And he is wearing, Kaki's.
Please refrain from posting material not relevant to the discussion of tropical weather, or the topic of the blog entry itself. Please do not engage in personal attacks or bickering. Material not conforming to these standards should be flagged ignored.
Down Town Miami: Nasty weather moving onshore from the bay. Raining like crazy, thunder and lightning. Street curbs are small rivers.

The tropics are quiet right now, but a decade ago on this date, Hurricane Jeanne was slowly moving toward the Bahamas.
Two days later, Jeanne made landfall as a Category 3 Hurricane here in Martin and St. Lucie counties.
Quoting 683. SFLWeatherman:
The tropics are quiet right now, but a decade ago on this date, Hurricane Jeanne was slowly moving toward the Bahamas.
Two days later, Jeanne made landfall as a Category 3 Hurricane here in Martin and St. Lucie counties.


Oh how I remembered.

That should be once in a life time experience. But who am I kidding. This is Florida.
Quoting StormTrackerScott:


That's crazy. Even Tampa has seen a lot of rain I guess you guys are under some sort of umbrella.

Tampa


Daytona Beach



We normally get more rain down here in the summer. We average right around 10" each month.

What's even more remarkable is we've only had 33" for the year. Normal is 47"
So we're 14" below normal for the year.

It is coming down here in Miami! Wind gusts near 40mph in my area too.
Quoting 684. rmbjoe1954:



Oh how I remembered.

That should be once in a life time experience. But who am I kidding. This is Florida.


The Plywood State
688. flsky
Jeanne was my first hurricane.
blockquote class='blogquote'>Quoting 683. SFLWeatherman:

The tropics are quiet right now, but a decade ago on this date, Hurricane Jeanne was slowly moving toward the Bahamas.
Two days later, Jeanne made landfall as a Category 3 Hurricane here in Martin and St. Lucie counties.

Quoting 394. sar2401:

You're not helping yourself. Eliminating the uses of CFCs has caused the former ozone hole over the poles to essentially go away. It's one program that worked, and worked in a short enough period of time to show it worked. Yes, it's more expensive to fill up the A/C now when the freon leaks out, but it's been worth it to fix a known problem.


Just quoting because this point needs to be taught often. Thank you sar.
Not over yet, but looking good for Florida to go yet another year without a hurricane making landfall. CyberTeddy is right on, lack of vertical instability is the main reason for the last two Atlantic MDR busts. Simply lack of MJO in basin or is something larger at play? SAL has been slightly above average last two seasons but dry air has been well above average last two years which hasn't helped.
It's all about location, location, location.

Rainfall estimates the past 30 day range (so goes into last month) from 15" to 2"-3".
So it really makes a difference where you're located.

One of the wettest areas of Southern Florida is just S.E. of my location with over 15" of rain, yet it's been really dry here locally.

Quoting 667. islander101010:

what in the world is the usa becoming? some russians bought PBR. now im ticked


And Flemish company InBev (Stella Artois) bought Anheuser Busch and I think Labatt a few years ago. Looks like hipsters will have to find a new skunk beer if their new home starts advertising it heavily.

66 degrees and cloudy in Wilmington, feels great but now starting to drizzle some.
Quoting 681. auburn:

Please refrain from posting material not relevant to the discussion of tropical weather, or the topic of the blog entry itself. Please do not engage in personal attacks or bickering. Material not conforming to these standards should be flagged ignored.
I'll remember that when I'm under attack from a troll and a mod is no where to be found.😉
695. SLU
Five named storms at the end of September outside of an El Nino without a single hurricane day anywhere south of 25 north and folks still think we're in an active era. Even some of the poorest of seasons from 1970 - 1994 fared better.



696. flsky
Damn!! Did you take this?! I was just on the southern periphery of it & could tell it was going to be bad in Daytona.
blockquote class='blogquote'>Quoting 648. StormTrackerScott:

Speaking of Daytona Beach this was yesterday.


Quoting 693. washingtonian115:

I'll remember that when I'm under attack from a troll and a mod is no where to be found.😉


If that happens,flag it and message one of us.We are only human and dont see every post.
Exercise your right to block people like that as well.
GFS 216 hr with a low very near Canadian Maritimes, longer range has a low follow a similar path to Irene. Bet by tomorrow it'll be dropped.

Rainfall forecast to be ~2 inches through tomorrow with locally heavier tots, all Wilmington needs is a few inches to meet our annual average.
These people need jobs. Working people cannot walk around and cry about how the mini ice age is coming. Wait that was in the 70s.
Quoting 695. SLU:
Five named storms at the end of September outside of an El Nino without a single hurricane day anywhere south of 25 north and folks still think we're in an active era. Even some of the poorest of seasons from 1970 - 1994 fared better.




So, not many storms. Isn't that a GOOD thing? Winter is coming, and if there are as many big snow storms this year, you all can focus on those. I am happy that the tropics are quiet. I had enough with Francis, Jeanne and then Wilma. Pretty to look at out in the Atlantic...miserable to be in the aftermath. Prefer the storms to form and go out to sea or not form at all.
Quoting 694. GeoffreyWPB:


yes its south florida's turn for the flooding rains,there's a warning out now for the miami area and all that rain south is heading northward....might get 4 inches or more down there
Doesn't look even CLOSE to 311000 people to me! I've seen a lot of footage of this March, and based on other protests in the past, it's probably closer to 75000, if that. In any case, it's always surprising how many people are fooled by the climate change myth.
Sit,

Stay,

Good Dog.

Quoting 394. sar2401:

You're not helping yourself. Eliminating the uses of CFCs has caused the former ozone hole over the poles to essentially go away. It's one program that worked, and worked in a short enough period of time to show it worked. Yes, it's more expensive to fill up the A/C now when the freon leaks out, but it's been worth it to fix a known problem.
Quoting 689. Pipejazz:



Just quoting because this point needs to be taught often. Thank you sar.
Ya'll are both misinformed. The ozone hole is not gone nor essentially gone.  Diminished some over the maximums of the 1990's but not gone. Real scientists are trying to figure out why it hasn't diminished more because their models are at odds with observations.I'm not disputing CFC's are bad for environment/atmosphere, but the characterization of problem as "essentially away".
Quoting 697. auburn:



If that happens,flag it and message one of us.We are only human and dont see every post.
Exercise your right to block people like that as well.


Use your controls to further ones experience here in wunderland.

Or use the Filter in yer Head.

Imagine a blog...



Quoting 623. centex:

I post summary from 20 news sources and sar rejects it not even reading one. Than he post link to story that only confirms what I said and act like his version is right. I was made out to be fool, guess he thought no one would care. Now you want to ban me. Justice? Just looking for apology, is that crazy? This not controversial subject, just local flood victim.


i think at this point you're coming off as obsessed. 'justice'? this is a blog for crying out loud.
Quoting 700. CitikatzSouthFL:


So, not many storms. Isn't that a GOOD thing? Winter is coming, and if there are as many big snow storms this year, you all can focus on those. I am happy that the tropics are quiet. I had enough with Francis, Jeanne and then Wilma. Pretty to look at out in the Atlantic...miserable to be in the aftermath. Prefer the storms to form and go out to sea or not form at all.
Enjoy the Quiet. This too shall pass.
Quoting Patrap:


Enlighten us, please.


Have you been to the Caymans lately?

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Hey Pat
What's up
What you talking about now
well good morning anytime now doc a new blog would be nice
two pouches in the carib 34 & 39 39 seems to be building up its convection
Jon Stewart on the NY Climate March, last night.

..wait fo it'

South Florida, we have a nasty mess approaching from the SW. 1/2 way through the Keys now.
Quoting GeoffreyWPB:


That radar looks promising for my area. Hopefully the rain will hold together as it moves onshore.

Quoting 710. KEEPEROFTHEGATE:

well good morning anytime now doc a new blog would be nice


We can only hope..
I believe Dr. M may be in New York so you young producers may have to wait a spell for a new un.

Or topic too,

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THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN MIAMI HAS ISSUED A

* FLOOD ADVISORY FOR... NORTHEASTERN MIAMI-DADE COUNTY IN SOUTHEAST FLORIDA...

* UNTIL 1230 PM EDT

* AT 924 AM EDT...DOPPLER RAINFALL ESTIMATED ONE TO TWO INCHES OF RAINFALL ACCUMULATION...WITH ISOLATED AREAS NEAR 2.3 TO 2.5 INCHES...ACROSS EASTERN MIAMI DADE COUNTY...INCLUDING MIAMI BEACH. THIS WILL CAUSE MINOR FLOODING IN THE ADVISORY AREA.
Well here comes the rain for me!
When the warmists / greenists give up the "luxuries" provided by petroleum, electricity, agriculture and construction...then at least they won't be HYPOCRITES!

RFK, Jr. getting all "handsy" with a reporter.
De Caprio loses his hearing when asked about his THREE YACHTS!

The new greens are the old reds!
Quoting 712. Patrap:

Jon Stewart on the NY Climate March, last night.

..wait fo it'




Hilarious! Science, pssshh!



"If you put an ice cube in a glass of drinking water and let it melt, does the water level rise? I rest my case."
JeffMasters has created a new entry.
Quoting 712. Patrap:

Jon Stewart on the NY Climate March, last night.

..wait fo it'



That was one of his more stellar segments, for sure. The part where he played excerpts from the anti-science nincompoops who comprise the majority of the House Committee on Science, Space, and Technology was especially humorous--or would have been were it not so maddeningly non-surprising. Nothing else highlights this nation's downfall as much as that pack of illogical, bloviating, nonsense-spouting Rs making a mockery of statesmanship. It's all very sad...
Caller to NPR show (paraphrasing): "It's capitalism and the division of wealth that is to blame for our nations problems, including extreme weather events. That's why I marched yesterday"

Response from guest: "Regardless of your motivation for marching, whether it's your frustration with a stagnant economy, corporate greed, or with the 1%, we welcome your participation in the march against climate change."

75,000 or 300,000, from my perspective, it looked like the same people who occupied Wall St. a few years ago, angry that our government doesn't provide enough free stuff or punish the wealthy more than it does. If they were so concerned about the environment why was there so much trash left on the streets and sidewalks afterwards?
Quoting 723. GatorWX:



Hilarious! Science, pssshh!



"If you put an ice cube in a glass of drinking water and let it melt, does the water level rise? I rest my case."



going to be flooding down there when this big batch of storms comes ashore......................
Quoting 726. JoeBananas:

Caller to NPR show (paraphrasing): "It's capitalism andthe division of wealth that is to blame for our nations problems, including extreme weather events. That's why I marched yesterday"

Response from guest: "Regardless of your motivation for marching, whether it's your frustration with a stagnant economy, corporate greed, or with the 1%, we welcome your participation in the march against climate change."

75,000 or 300,000, from my perspective, it looked like the same people who occupied Wall St. a few years ago, angry that our government doesn't provide enough free stuff or punish the wealthy more than it does. If they were so concerned about the environment why was there so much trash left on the streets and sidewalks afterwards?



Well, you certainly seem to have swallowed a whole gallon of the "Fair and Balanced" Kool-Aid. Goes down easy, does it? That's a pretty good trick, I suppose, blaming the downtrodden for your problems. Of course, that's just the way the oligarchy wants it--and *that's* why loyal and unquestioning foot-soldiers are so very important to their agendas. Keep up the good work!
Quoting 722. CycloneOz:

When the warmists / greenists give up the "luxuries" provided by petroleum, electricity, agriculture and construction...then at least they won't be HYPOCRITES!

RFK, Jr. getting all "handsy" with a reporter.
De Caprio loses his hearing when asked about his THREE YACHTS!

The new greens are the old reds!


One option would be two vastly reduce our energy use over time, so that we use only a fraction of the energy that we use now. Another option would be to switch to using mostly alternative (non fossil fuel) energy sources over time. Which do you prefer? Which do you think most "warmists" who are proposing a solution prefer?
So no comment on the point of my post, huh? If I wanted to hear Fox News jokes I would just watch TDS and actually enjoy them...but keep up the good work!

They are hurting their cause by enlisting anti-capitalists, anarchists, and socialists to help manipulate the numbers of people seemingly interested in finding a solution to climate change (manipulating the numbers is a favorite tactic, but I digress). If you read any of their signs or heard about the first-hand accounts of the people marching, or from the people nearby, you'd see that these people don't want a compromise. Most of these people want to see the demise of BP, not because they produce oil-based products, but because they are "rich and powerful" and don't share it with everyone. BP and others are easy to pick on within the context of AGW because they are generally demonized by the cause.

Now show me a group of people with a non-sensationalized, non-parabolic argument and a truly palatable solution, and I'm ready to listen. But everything I've seen so far reeks of general anti-capitalism. Just throw away these ideas of carbon credits, limiting drilling, enforcing low emissions, and the like. Then, like the way we invested in going to the moon, throw a bunch of money at NASA and create a high-paid job force of engineers and scientists dedicated to removing carbon from the air. It's not hard to do, scientifically, it's just currently expensive and inefficient. But we can fix that, I mean, we went to the damn moon.

Anyways, what you really want me to say is, blah blah blah, tea party. blah blah blah, sarah palin. blah blah blah, climate change is a hoax. blah blah blah, you're a liberal so and so. blah blah blah I predict a Cat 3 storm in the GoM based on some model 172 hours out... So for the sake of this board, and the comments I usually read every day, just disregard the rest of this message and only respond to this paragraph. It will make for better reading.

out


Quoting 729. Neapolitan:



Well, you certainly seem to have swallowed a whole gallon of the "Fair and Balanced" Kool-Aid. Goes down easy, does it? That's a pretty good trick, I suppose, blaming the downtrodden for your problems. Of course, that's just the way the oligarchy wants it--and *that's* why loyal and unquestioning foot-soldiers are so very important to their agendas. Keep up the good work!