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Tornadoes Slam 5-State Area, Killing Two; Outbreak Continues Today

By: Dr. Jeff Masters, 1:29 PM GMT on May 20, 2013

The Midwest U.S. is under the gun again today, as a potent storm system that spawned a preliminary count of 24 tornadoes in five states on Sunday reloads and prepares to dish out another afternoon and evening of atmospheric mayhem. Sunday's tornadoes swept through Oklahoma, Kansas, Iowa, Missouri, and Illinois, with Oklahoma bearing the brunt of the assault. The outbreak's only deadly tornado--preliminarily rated as en EF-5 with 166 - 200 mph winds--hit Shawnee, Oklahoma, a town of 30,000 located 35 miles southeast of Oklahoma City. The twister leveled a trailer park, killing two people, and blew a semi-trailer off of an expressway overpass on I-40. At least 21 people were injured and 300 homes destroyed over the five-state area by the tornadoes. The 24 tornadoes from May 19 make it the biggest day for tornadoes in the U.S. this spring, and the highest number reported in one day since January 30, when 44 tornadoes touched down from Georgia to Indiana.


Figure 1. The Shawnee, Oklahoma tornado at 6:44 pm CDT May 19, 2013, as it passed just NW of Shawnee. The tornado killed two people in a mobile home park in Shawnee. Viewer submitted photo. #okwx pic.twitter.com/UCH9e8o9G8 Matt Mahler@themahler


Figure 2. The Shawnee tornado hurled a semi-trailer off of an expressway overpass at Highway 117 and I-40 in Oklahoma, and toppled another semi. Four people who sheltered under this overpass were injured, one seriously, and taken to the hospital. Highway overpasses can act to amplify a tornado's winds, and are very dangerous places to be during a tornado. According to the NWS in Norman Oklahoma, during the tornado outbreak of May 3, 1999, tornadoes crossed three highway overpasses, and at all three locations, there was a fatality. One of the fatalities occurred from an EF-2 tornado in a rural area, which suggests that a tornado need not be a large, violent tornado with a considerable debris cloud to cause fatal injuries to people seeking shelter from storms under overpasses. In addition to the fatal injuries to three people, there were also many severe, potentially life-threatening and gruesome injuries inflicted upon people underneath the overpasses, that in some cases, has left these people with permanent disabilities. Don't take shelter under a highway overpass from a tornado! Image credit: KFOR.com.


Figure 3. Radar reflectivity image taken at 6:08 pm CDT May 19, 2013 of the supercell thunderstorm that spawned the Shawnee, Oklahoma tornado.


Figure 4. Doppler velocity image taken at 6:08 pm CDT May 19, 2013 of the supercell thunderstorm that spawned the Shawnee, Oklahoma tornado. Note the couplet of dark red colors right next to light blues near the center of the image, showing that the air was moving both towards the radar and away from it within a short distance, indicating a tight rotation of the tornado's parent mesocyclone.

Iowa's record tornado-free streak ends at 359 days
A tornado touched down near Slater, Iowa at 6:10 pm CDT on Sunday, May 19, one of six tornadoes reported in the state that day. Remarkably, it was the first tornado recorded in the state since May 24, 2012 (Fayette County.) The 359-day streak without a tornado was the longest tornado-free period in state history. The previous record was 355 days, set between May 5, 1955, and April 26, 1956. The new streak is far more impressive because digital technology and spotter networks today are so comprehensive, resulting in far fewer missed tornadoes. There was a much higher likelihood back in the 1950s for tornadoes to be missed. The exceptional tornado-free period was due to the combination of the state's dry summer of 2012 (3rd driest on record) and cold spring of 2013 (8th coldest March - April on record). Thunderstorms like heat and moisture to form, and its tough to get a tornado if you're experiencing a top-ten driest or coldest spring or summer.


Figure 5. Radar reflectivity image of the tornado-spawning supercell thunderstorm that dropped an EF-1 tornado just to the southwest of Wichita, Kansas, on May 19, 2013.

Wichita gets lucky
At 3:30 pm Sunday, Kansas' largest city, Wichita, got a major scare when a large supercell thunderstorm spawned a half-mile wide tornado to the southwest of the city. The tornado headed directly for the airport and downtown Wichita, prompting the issuance of "Tornado Emergency" for the city. In the wake of the deadly EF-5 tornado that leveled Joplin, Missouri in 2011, the NWS decided to give local NWS offices the option to issue special, strongly worded tornado warnings to let the population know when a particularly dangerous tornado--one that has been confirmed by spotters to be on the ground--is approaching. The NWS issued one of these very strongly-worded tornado warnings on Sunday for Wichita:

Statement as of 3:47 PM CDT on May 19, 2013
... A Tornado Warning remains in effect for southern Sedgwick County until 415 PM CDT...

... Tornado emergency for Wichita...

At 345 PM CDT... a confirmed large... violent and extremely dangerous tornado was located on the southwest side of Wichita... and moving northeast at 30 mph.

This is a particularly dangerous situation.

Hazard... deadly tornado.

Source... weather spotters confirmed tornado.

Impact... you could be killed if not underground or in a tornado shelter. Complete destruction of neighborhoods... businesses and vehicles will occur. Flying debris will be deadly to people and animals.

Locations impacted include...Maize... downtown Wichita... Wichita... Bel Aire... McConnell Air Force Base…east Wichita and Oaklawn.

Precautionary/preparedness actions...

This is an extremely dangerous tornado with complete devastation likely. You could be killed if not underground or in a tornado shelter. Do not delay... seek shelter now! If no underground shelter is available seek shelter in an interior room of the lowest level of a structure... or if time allows... consider moving to an underground shelter elsewhere. Mobile homes and outbuildings will offer no shelter from this tornado.

Tornado... observed
Tornado damage threat... catastrophic
Hail... 2.75in

Wichita TV station KSNW did an excellent job covering the tornado, but were forced to abandon the studio during the height of the storm, as seen on this video clip. You can hear hail pounding the roof as the news crew scrambles for shelter. Station meteorologist J.D. Rudd has this to say: "We are okay. I'll tell you though, it got intense. That thing passed right over our studio. Luckily, it had lifted. But I truly thought the roof of our studio was about to peel off. And the sound of the hail was deafening. What a day. Three hours of coverage with the largest city in the state under a TOR warning for a long time. Weather service called it a Tornado Emergency…'Large, violent tornado on the ground'. Words that gave me chills when I read them." Preliminary damage surveys from the NWS indicate that the Wichita tornado was an EF-1 with a path length 4.6 miles that lifted two miles south of the Wichita airport.


Figure 6. Severe weather outlook for Monday, May 20, calls for a "Moderate Risk" of severe weather over much of Oklahoma, and portions of surrounding states. You can follow today's severe weather outbreak from our Severe Weather page.

Another big severe weather day today in the Midwest
The latest forecasts from NOAA's Storm Prediction Center call for an active severe weather day again on Monday, with a "Moderate Risk" of severe weather over much of Oklahoma, plus portions of Southwest Missouri, Northwest Arkansas, and extreme North Texas. The highest threat for tornadoes will be in Southern Oklahoma and into North Texas. The severe weather outbreak will continue on Tuesday and Wednesday, progressing eastwards into the Ohio Valley and Great Lakes. Only a "Slight Risk" of severe weather is expected those days.


Video 1. Impressive footage (peaking at 4:30 of the video) of the huge tornado that devastated Carney, Oklahoma on May 19, 2013.


Video 2. The "Dominator 3" armored tornado intercept vehicle saw plenty of action on Sunday, as seen in this video, taken just northeast of Edmond, Oklahoma. From the ‪http://tvnweather.com/‬ description of the video: "This tornado was one of the strongest ever intercepted, and we needed all 10,000k pounds of the new Dominator because I have never felt vibration like that before as we were slammed by suction vortices wrapping all around the vehicle. Jim Cantore was on board and he's hooked. All part of #TornadoChasers, Season 2013 coming up this fall on ‪http://tvnweather.com/ondemand‬"

Additional info
Wunderblogger Lee Grenci has an interesting post discussing how last Wednesday's Granbury, Texas tornado was able to form in an atmosphere that seemingly had too little wind shear to get a supercell thunderstorm spinning. The Granbury tornado was an EF-4 with 166 - 200 mph winds that killed six people, and was part of a weather system separate from the one that is generating the current Midwest U.S. tornado outbreak.

news9.com out of Oklahoma City had some excellent live helicopter coverage of Sunday's storms, and will likely be out there again today.

Jeff Masters
Severe Thunderstorm Warned 4
Severe Thunderstorm Warned 4
Outflow dominate storms, interesting to watch especially this wall of water that just pushed east. Lots of wind, heavy rains and even some decent size hail (mainly quarter sized, but may have been slightly larger). Intercepted this storm several miles SW of Coin, Ia (Page County). Wall of Water from an outflow dominate storm.
Don't Try This At Home
Don't Try This At Home
No Really....Don't try this at home. Pentax K-5 and Tamron 10-24mm Lens.
Rozel, KS Stovepipe Tornado!
Rozel, KS Stovepipe Tornado!
My first tornado ever in my chasing career, and it's this massive beast! Awesome! Follow my adventures at facebook.com/CharlesimagesStormedia and cistormedia.com!
Medford, OK
Medford, OK
After the Storm
After the Storm
Calm after the storm, with lots of birds singing in the background too!

Tornado

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TORNADO WARNING
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NORMAN OK
637 PM CDT MON MAY 20 2013

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN NORMAN HAS ISSUED A

* TORNADO WARNING FOR...
SOUTHERN COAL COUNTY IN SOUTHEAST OKLAHOMA...
CENTRAL ATOKA COUNTY IN SOUTHEAST OKLAHOMA...
NORTHEASTERN JOHNSTON COUNTY IN SOUTHEAST OKLAHOMA...

* UNTIL 700 PM CDT

* AT 635 PM CDT...NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE METEOROLOGISTS DETECTED A
SEVERE THUNDERSTORM CAPABLE OF PRODUCING A TORNADO. THIS DANGEROUS
STORM WAS LOCATED NEAR WAPANUCKA...AND MOVING NORTHEAST AT 60 MPH.

IN ADDITION TO A TORNADO...LARGE DAMAGING HAIL UP TO TWO INCHES IN
DIAMETER IS EXPECTED WITH THIS STORM.

* LOCATIONS IMPACTED INCLUDE...
ATOKA...COALGATE...WAPANUCKA...STRINGTOWN...LEHIGH ...BROMIDE...
PHILLIPS...WARDVILLE...CLARITA...OLNEY...CONNERVIL LE...CHOCKIE...
REDDEN...BOGGY DEPOT STATE PARK AND ATOKA RESERVOIR.
1002. Patrap
abcnews.go.com

May 20, 2013 6:24pm

Watch live coverage of Tornado Damage in Oklahoma on ABCNews.com.
7:30 p.m.

Ten people confirmed dead in wake of tornado, Oklahoma Chief Medical Examiners Office says.
7:24 p.m.

Red Cross Oklahoma tweets: Please RT: Shelter opening at: St. Andrews Church, SW 119 & S May. Location will also serve as reunification site.
7:23 p.m.

Emergency Management Office plans to hold news conference at 8.30 p.m. ET at City Hall in Moore, Okla., with several agencies to be represented.
7:20 p.m.

All children at Briarwood Elementary School have been accounted for, first responders on the scene tell ABC News.
Quoting CybrTeddy:
Can we please stop jumping down each others throats for just reporting what various media outlets are posting?


OMG. A blog with a bunch of weather enthusiasts, there are people who get excited and jump to conclusions about extreme weather-related disasters??! No way! Some of you expect way too much. The truth will come out eventually and people reporting false information isn't going to change the truth. Sure, it's nice to verify info as much as possible, but the constant correcting about rating is ridiculous. Who cares? People have died and a town destroyed. That's what matters.
Quoting CybrTeddy:


HUH? We're not making those claims, I'm certainly not. I'm just posting on what KFOR is claiming regardless of the validity of those claims for people who may not have access to these feeds. I do NOT believe we will know this will be an EF-5 until we get an official report and as I mentioned yesterday KFOR is known for jumping around and saying things that "Jump the gun" so to speak.
I never said you were specifically making these claims, relax. KFOR's claim of 200 MPH winds by the NWS is irrelevant to me...and it should be to everyone else. It makes absolutely no sense for the NWS to make such a claim so early on.
Quoting MississippiWx:


Agree with most of what you said, but it's not an assumption when the NWS clearly states that they rated it a preliminary EF-4. Nothing wrong with stating that at all.
Yea that is more of a technicality. One shouldn't say "the NWS already rated this an EF-4." The NWS hasn't officially rated it yet. You are correct to assume it will likely be at least an EF-4, but has it been rated an EF-4? No :)

Is there a possibility the official rating is lower than the preliminary? Absolutely, though it is highly unlikely in this situation.
Quoting Ameister12:
Tornado warning issued for Joplin. Storm has some strong rotation, but it appears that the tornado will remain south of Joplin.

It's definitely looking that way. But judging by the speed and trajectory, I'd be more concerned for Springfield barring any significant structural changes to the MESO. Juicy atmosphere up ahead, and atmosphere will be favorable well after dark. Could be a long few hours.
69 kids were killed in the 1925 Tri-state tornado

Reporter asking a young lady. "How do you feel looking around, seeing your house and your neighbourhood is like this"

Young lady answered, I feel like I am in a dream, I can not believe it.
Quoting TomTaylor:
I never said you were specifically making these claims, relax. KFOR's claim of 200 MPH winds by the NWS is irrelevant to me...and it should be to everyone else. It makes absolutely no sense for the NWS to make such a claim so early on.Yea that is more of a technicality. One shouldn't say "the NWS already rated this an EF-4." The NWS hasn't officially rated it yet. You are correct to assume it will likely be at least an EF-4, but has it been rated an EF-4? No :)

Is there a possibility the official rating is lower than the preliminary? Absolutely, though it is highly unlikely in this situation.

The NWS has officially rated it an EF4 at least. That's been said already.
1012. Patrap
Damage trackCredit: National Weather Service, @NWSNormanPreliminary tornado damage track for the Newcastle-Moore-South OKC tornado, on May 20, 2013. Based on radar and damage reports.

Quoting Ameister12:
Tornado warning issued for Joplin. Storm has some strong rotation, but it appears that the tornado will remain south of Joplin.

Edit: Doppler radar is showing a TDS (tornado debris signature), so it's probably producing a significant tornado right now.

There was one back just to the N of Wyandott, but it seems to have gone away for now. Circulation headed toward Neosho... should miss Joplin.
sucking big time tonight.
Link Tulsa OK Radar
I' don't know much about tornado scale but this looks scary!!!
Link
1016. Patrap
Jasper
Tornado Warning
Statement as of 6:46 PM CDT on May 20, 2013

... A Tornado Warning remains in effect for Newton and southern Jasper
counties until 715 PM CDT...

At 643 PM CDT... a severe thunderstorm capable of producing a tornado
was located near Seneca... and moving northeast at 60 mph.

Hazard... developing tornado.

Source... radar indicated rotation.

Impact... Mobile homes will be heavily damaged or destroyed.
Significant damage to roofs... windows and vehicles will
occur. Flying debris will be deadly to people and animals.
Extensive tree damage is likely.

Locations impacted include...
Airport Drive... Carterville... Carthage... Diamond... Duenweg...
Duquesne... Granby... Iron Gates... Joplin... Leawood... Neosho...
Saginaw... Seneca... Shoal creek drive... Silver Creek and Webb City.

Interstate 44 between mile markers 1 and 26 will also be impacted by
this dangerous storm.

Precautionary/preparedness actions...

Take cover now. Move to an interior room on the lowest floor of a
sturdy building. Avoid windows. If in a Mobile home... a vehicle or
outdoors... move to the closest substantial shelter and protect
yourself from flying debris.

This line of thunderstorms is capable of producing tornadoes and
widespread significant wind damage. Do not wait to see or hear the
tornado. For your protection move to an interior room on the lowest
floor of your home or business.


A Tornado Watch remains in effect until 1000 PM CDT Monday evening
for southeast Kansas and southern Missouri.

Lat... Lon 3700 9463 3702 9461 3706 9462 3713 9456
3718 9445 3718 9425 3712 9418 3703 9412
3693 9411 3683 9418 3680 9436 3677 9462
time... Mot... loc 2346z 241deg 52kt 3687 9455

Tornado... radar indicated
hail... <.75in


Cramer
Nobody is jumping down anybody's throat as far as I'm concerned. If some feel that way, I am sorry, I certainly didn't mean to. All I'm asking is that we appeal to reason. Don't assume things. Plenty of assumptions going around today, makes it painful to read the blog.
Quoting AussieStorm:
Reporter asking a young lady. "How do you feel looking around, seeing your house and your neighbourhood is like this"

Young lady answered, I feel like I am in a dream, I can not believe it.

I'm not sure what else you say? I mean everything is normal, you go to work, you cook dinner in your house, you sleep in your bed. Then one day the universe just decides to wipe clean everything you knew as a daily habit one day, with minutes of warning. I dont think people can process that much more than thinking it is a dream at first.
1020. MrMixon
Dangerous storms continue to roll across the plains. Mother Nature isn't fooling around today. Tell your friends and relatives in the path of these storms to stay tuned to the weather this evening:

Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

The NWS has officially rated it an EF4 at least. That's been said already.
No it has not. Preliminary rating is not an official rating. Here you are assuming a preliminary rating automatically creates the lower bound of the intensity estimate. Usually it does, but it is completely possible that a preliminary rating is overdone and the official rating gets revised down. It's almost guaranteed not to happen here, however.
1022. Patrap

847
WFUS53 KLSX 202350
TORLSX
MOC137-210015-
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BULLETIN - EAS ACTIVATION REQUESTED
TORNADO WARNING
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE ST LOUIS MO
650 PM CDT MON MAY 20 2013

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN ST LOUIS HAS ISSUED A

* TORNADO WARNING FOR...
EASTERN MONROE COUNTY IN NORTHEAST MISSOURI...

* UNTIL 715 PM CDT

* AT 644 PM CDT...A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM CAPABLE OF PRODUCING A
TORNADO WAS LOCATED 6 MILES WEST OF SANTA FE...AND MOVING NORTHEAST
AT 30 MPH.

HAZARD...DEVELOPING TORNADO AND HALF DOLLAR SIZE HAIL.

SOURCE...RADAR INDICATED ROTATION.

IMPACT...MOBILE HOMES WILL BE HEAVILY DAMAGED OR DESTROYED.
SIGNIFICANT DAMAGE TO ROOFS...WINDOWS AND VEHICLES WILL
OCCUR. FLYING DEBRIS WILL BE DEADLY TO PEOPLE AND ANIMALS.
EXTENSIVE TREE DAMAGE IS LIKELY.

* THIS DANGEROUS STORM WILL AFFECT MAINLY RURAL AREAS OF EASTERN
MONROE COUNTY...INCLUDING THE FOLLOWING LOCATIONS FLORIDA AND
INDIAN CREEK.

THIS WARNING INCLUDES MARK TWAIN LAKE RECREATIONAL AREA.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

TAKE COVER NOW. MOVE TO AN INTERIOR ROOM ON THE LOWEST FLOOR OF A
STURDY BUILDING. AVOID WINDOWS. IF IN A MOBILE HOME...A VEHICLE OR
OUTDOORS...MOVE TO THE CLOSEST SUBSTANTIAL SHELTER AND PROTECT
YOURSELF FROM FLYING DEBRIS.



LAT...LON 3939 9209 3966 9186 3966 9172 3934 9172
3934 9195
TIME...MOT...LOC 2349Z 224DEG 27KT 3940 9191

TORNADO...RADAR INDICATED
HAIL...1.25IN



BRITT
Quoting TomTaylor:
I never said you were specifically making these claims, relax. KFOR's claim of 200 MPH winds by the NWS is irrelevant to me...and it should be to everyone else. It makes absolutely no sense for the NWS to make such a claim so early on.Yea that is more of a technicality. One shouldn't say "the NWS already rated this an EF-4." The NWS hasn't officially rated it yet. You are correct to assume it will likely be at least an EF-4, but has it been rated an EF-4? No :)

Is there a possibility the official rating is lower than the preliminary? Absolutely, though it is highly unlikely in this situation.


The Joplin tornado was estimated EF4 preliminary, obviously with a thorough evaluation per NWS it was no question an EF5.

If I had to make my best educated guess, there are large regions of EF4 damage and a few regions peaking at EF5. Time will tell. As I said earlier though, its not worth arguing over, and doing so seems rather cold and harsh given the main concern right now...
Quoting TomTaylor:
No it has not. Preliminary rating is not an official. Here you are assuming a preliminary rating automatically creates the lower bound of the intensity estimate. Usually it does, but it is completely possible that a preliminary rating is overdone and the official rating gets revised down. It's almost guaranteed not to happen here, however.

No, I'm not assuming anything of the sort:

‏@NWSNorman 1h
458pm - Preliminary Rating of Newcastle-Moore Tornado at least EF-4 #okwx
I'll say this, regardless of the "validity" of KFOR's claim I believe we should report these claims as this is a developing story. Facts are often widely distorted, inaccurate as many times reporters get caught up in the scenes and end up using baseless twitter posts as "confirmed sources." Here's what we know - a large tornado just went through Moore, OK. A fair portion of that city is in ruins. This is no minimal tornado, we all can see that. The NWS will send out their own teams, but there is absolutely nothing wrong with reporting what people who've experienced similar tornadoes feelings on the intensity of this tornado. Granted, this shouldn't be treated as fact nor are we. We're reporting what we're being told at the time, and I find it amazing that some of you are being so quick to jump down each other's throats because of that. Again, it's a developing situation.
Forbes just said on the TWC that damage was more extensive than other F5 sites he's surveyed, and that it was likely a mile wide or more.
Can someone please tell me it's not true that 24 children have been killed in the Plaza Towers Elementary School. These young kids are the same age of mine so it really bring it home how serious this is.

Thoughts and prayers with the people of Moore, Oklahoma.
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

No, I'm not assuming anything of the sort:

‏@NWSNorman 1h
458pm - Preliminary Rating of Newcastle-Moore Tornado at least EF-4 #okwx
Preliminary.
is the original tornadic warned storm that had the tornado or the one south of it?

i remember the first one being directly over okc, so maybe it was the one under it.
1031. Thrawst
Ummm.... looks like i missed something significant. Somebody care to give me a little explanation? :/
Quoting TomTaylor:
Preliminary.

...but it's still official. It might not be final, but it is its official rating for the time being.
Quoting TomTaylor:
One shouldn't say "the NWS already rated this an EF-4." The NWS hasn't officially rated it yet. You are correct to assume it will likely be at least an EF-4, but has it been rated an EF-4? No :)

Is there a possibility the official rating is lower than the preliminary? Absolutely, though it is highly unlikely in this situation.

Tom, the NWS out of Norman did post on Facebook that it was preliminarily EF4. Not quite a true survey or rating yet, but that is out of the NWS office responsible for that area. It is doubtful that the rating will go down, and I wouldn't say there is any evidence at this time to disagree with EF4 preliminarily. But that's as far as we should go at this time based upon the information available.
TWC is reporting that at the one grade school hit in Ok City it has turned in to a recovery effort for the deaths of as many as 2 dozen students and teachers
Quoting Thrawst:
Ummm.... looks like i missed something significant. Somebody care to give me a little explanation? :/



1037. Patrap

737
WFUS54 KFWD 202352
TORFWD
TXC093-193-333-210045-
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BULLETIN - EAS ACTIVATION REQUESTED
TORNADO WARNING
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE FORT WORTH TX
652 PM CDT MON MAY 20 2013

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN FORT WORTH HAS ISSUED A

* TORNADO WARNING FOR...
SOUTHEASTERN COMANCHE COUNTY IN NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS...
WEST CENTRAL HAMILTON COUNTY IN NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS...
NORTH CENTRAL MILLS COUNTY IN NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS...

* UNTIL 745 PM CDT

* AT 653 PM CDT...NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE METEOROLOGISTS DETECTED A
SEVERE THUNDERSTORM CAPABLE OF PRODUCING A TORNADO 11 MILES
SOUTHWEST OF GUSTINE...MOVING EAST AT 30 MPH.

* THE TORNADO WILL BE NEAR...
GUSTINE AROUND 705 PM CDT...

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

MOVE TO AN INTERIOR BATHROOM...CLOSET...OR HALLWAY ON THE LOWEST
FLOOR OF YOUR BUILDING. COVER YOURSELF WITH BLANKETS...PILLOWS...OR A
MATTRESS FOR PROTECTION.



LAT...LON 3188 9819 3179 9812 3157 9837 3163 9864
3186 9864
TIME...MOT...LOC 2353Z 266DEG 26KT 3175 9851



25
No survivors left in school.
Quoting ScottLincoln:

It is far too early to be trusting any of these preliminary width, length, and intensity estimates. Far too early. Tornado width estimates are notoriously overestimated during realtime events. Almost always.
We will eventually know the scope of the tornado's damage. No need to speculate now.
Puff of cloud to EF5 in one hour.

Eat my shorts.
I cried
Can someone please tell me it's not true that 24 children have been killed in the Plaza Towers Elementary School. These young kids are the same age of mine so it really bring it home how serious this is.

Thoughts and prayers with the people of Moore, Oklahoma
Quoting Thrawst:
Ummm.... looks like i missed something significant. Somebody care to give me a little explanation? :/


An apparent EF-4 or EF-5 tornado went through Moore, OK and has caused numerous fatalities and an incredible amount of damage.
Quoting ScottLincoln:

It's not easier to get a EF5 today than it was to get an F5 in previous years. The scale was developed in such a way that there would be minimal changes to how ratings were done, and they wanted a scale where old tornado ratings would be roughly comparable to today's ratings. All that changed was the wind speeds. Numerous meteorologists and engineers worked together to develop the new scale. We now know that wind speed estimates associated with the original scale were not accurate; the new EF-scale has better estimates, including ranges of wind speeds that can be used to evaluate good/fair/poor construction of similar building types.

The SPC links to the original 95-page report on the new scale here:
http://www.spc.noaa.gov/faq/tornado/ef-scale.html


Exactly, we know now it takes less wind to produce the damage ratings for each F level respectively than previously thought with the older F scale, so its not the tornado that is weaker, just a greater understanding of tornado damage due to advancement in the science. No disrespect to Dr. Fujita of course, his scale was an amazing development for its time and he was a ground breaking meteorologist for his time.
Quoting TomTaylor:
Nobody is jumping down anybody's throat as far as I'm concerned. If some feel that way, I am sorry, I certainly didn't mean to. All I'm asking is that we appeal to reason. Don't assume things. Plenty of assumptions going around today, makes it painful to read the blog.


I agree Tom...I have said the years I have been a member on here, this is an "entertainment blog". I would never trust my welfare to blogger's posts. I would always listen to my local officials.
Quoting ScottLincoln:

Tom, the NWS out of Norman did post on Facebook that it was preliminarily EF4. Not quite a true survey or rating yet, but that is out of the NWS office responsible for that area. It is doubtful that the rating will go down, and I wouldn't say there is any evidence at this time to disagree with EF4 preliminarily. But that's as far as we should go at this time based upon the information available.
Right. So why would one say "NWS officially rated this at least an EF-4"

Nothing is official yet. I guess I'm just being picky.
Not so sure that tornado, if still on the ground, will pass south of Joplin looking at radar.
1046. Patrap

191
WFUS54 KOUN 202354
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OKC005-029-069-210030-
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BULLETIN - EAS ACTIVATION REQUESTED
TORNADO WARNING
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NORMAN OK
654 PM CDT MON MAY 20 2013

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN NORMAN HAS ISSUED A

* TORNADO WARNING FOR...
SOUTHERN COAL COUNTY IN SOUTHEAST OKLAHOMA...
CENTRAL ATOKA COUNTY IN SOUTHEAST OKLAHOMA...
EXTREME EASTERN JOHNSTON COUNTY IN SOUTHEAST OKLAHOMA...

* UNTIL 730 PM CDT

* AT 654 PM CDT...NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE METEOROLOGISTS DETECTED A
SEVERE THUNDERSTORM CAPABLE OF PRODUCING A TORNADO. THIS DANGEROUS
STORM WAS LOCATED NEAR LEHIGH...AND MOVING NORTHEAST AT 60 MPH.
THIS STORM HAS PRODUCED DESTRUCTIVE WINDS OVER 80 MPH.

IN ADDITION TO A TORNADO...LARGE DESTRUCTIVE HAIL UP TO TENNIS BALL
SIZE IS EXPECTED WITH THIS STORM.

* LOCATIONS IMPACTED INCLUDE...
ATOKA...COALGATE...WAPANUCKA...STRINGTOWN...LEHIGH ...PHILLIPS...
WARDVILLE...CLARITA...DAISY...OLNEY...CHOCKIE...RE DDEN...BOGGY
DEPOT STATE PARK AND ATOKA RESERVOIR.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

TAKE COVER NOW IN A STORM SHELTER OR AN INTERIOR ROOM OF A STURDY
BUILDING. STAY AWAY FROM DOORS AND WINDOWS.



LAT...LON 3451 9568 3451 9578 3441 9578 3430 9639
3431 9643 3447 9650 3449 9648 3471 9610
3468 9609 3468 9588 3460 9588 3459 9567
TIME...MOT...LOC 2354Z 243DEG 52KT 3447 9621
Quoting Barefootontherocks:
Puff of cloud to EF5 in one hour.

Eat my shorts.

That doesn't make one ounce of sense. I wasn't even on the blog today to even discuss today's storms until after it was over.
1048. Thrawst
Via Reed Timmer:

Video of devastating tornado that tore through Moore, OK earlier today.. described by KFOR-TV as worse than May 3, 1999. Latest report is 24 children lost their lives in an elementary school in Moore, OK. I am at a loss for words... This is about as tragic as a tornado can get. Our thoughts and prayers are with those that lost everything with this tragedy.
Quoting CybrTeddy:


An apparent EF-4 or EF-5 tornado went through Moore, OK and has caused numerous fatalities and an incredible amount of damage.


Teddy, how in the world can you say it's an EF-4 or EF-5? That is so not official.

;-)
Seven bodies so far at elementary school per TWC.
Quoting ScottLincoln:

That doesn't make one ounce of sense. I wasn't even on the blog today to even discuss today's storms until after it was over.

I wouldn't read much into it, Scott. That was a clear drive-by ad hominem. Someone is taking out their frustration now. They're at their boiling point. Very Sad.
7 children "drowned" in the school and more are feared dead... I'm crying.
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

...but it's still official. It might not be final, but it is its official rating for the time being.
Yeah, for the time being. There's a difference and that's what I'm trying to stress.

I believe this will easily be rated an EF-4 also (maybe even EF-5), I just want people to understand the difference.
As many as 30 might be dead inside that school per TWC. 7 bodies recovered I heard.
Quoting AussieStorm:
Can someone please tell me it's not true that 24 children have been killed in the Plaza Towers Elementary School. These young kids are the same age of mine so it really bring it home how serious this is.

Thoughts and prayers with the people of Moore, Oklahoma.
And some people here are arguing over whether it is an ef4 or ef5.
For all of you to know this is the 18Z GFS look like the 12Z

18Z

12Z
1059. Thrawst
I guess the Tornado Gods saved most of the activity and major tornadoes for this week... At least three EF-4's in the past week.
significant tornado has recovered back up to 2-3 over Oklahoma city in front of that new cell
Quoting TomTaylor:
Right. So why would one say "NWS officially rated this at least an EF-4"

Nothing is official yet. I guess I'm just being picky.

That wording would probably be acceptable for what it is at this point. I am not sure to what extent that this point they have actually surveyed the tornado for an official rating... things are hectic. But I really don't think it would be unreasonable based up on NWS Norman's facebook post to say that it is preliminarily an EF4.

It really doesn't matter that much at this point. It's going to be like CSI: Tornado in the coming days and we will have a very good survey.
Quoting SouthernIllinois:

I wouldn't read much into it, Scott. That was a clear drive-by ad hominem. Sad.

Yeah, you're probably right... sigh....
Quoting ScottLincoln:

I'm not sure what else you say? I mean everything is normal, you go to work, you cook dinner in your house, you sleep in your bed. Then one day the universe just decides to wipe clean everything you knew as a daily habit one day, with minutes of warning. I dont think people can process that much more than thinking it is a dream at first.


Yeah, some reporters are neither eloquent or sensitive.

Thrwast...really horrific looking tornado in OK near OKC. Some real bad footage etc. If not in a big mood or beyond cringing, don't click the links I reckon
I'm honestly angry that the school was put on lock down, the tornado was warned to be one which is not safe to ride out above ground, school authorities should know that schools while certainly strong buildings are still not safe given such a violent tornado. From what I know they had time to evacuate those kids.

And why the heck don't schools have underground safe rooms built in? I don't care how confident school officials are of the building strength. High end tornadoes are a different animal, schools should have safe rooms. The building itself is not enough.

Maybe I'm wrong here, I'm just emotionally shaken to here what has happened with these schools and the fact that kids were forced to in essence meet their end...
1064. Patrap
We are searching for any members in OK who would like to assit Portlight in our Ok push.

Contact me via u-mail.
Quoting Patrap:
We are searching for any members in OK who would like to assit Portlight in our Ok push.

Contact me via u-mail.


Thanks for doing what you do, Pat.
Quoting Ameister12:
7 children "drowned" in the school and more are feared dead... I'm crying.


me too...
Good lord, y'all. Can y'all argue at the different time? This is NOT a good time.
Does anyone know if they close schools with such a stern warning from the NWS for several days now? Will this set precedent??
Quoting Bluestorm5:
As many as 30 might be dead inside that school per TWC. 7 bodies recovered I heard.
Quoting Ameister12:
7 children "drowned" in the school and more are feared dead... I'm crying.

That's what they've been saying. I'm trying to figure out how that happened. I'd assume no pools in elementary schools.... so I guess trapped and a water main break? Or trapped and rainfall post-tornado? Just awful.
There's no doupt this was an F5. Devastation is just unreal. Brought flash backs of andrew for me. Thoughts go out to everyone impacted by this horrific event. :0(
Anyway, I'll leave for now. Sorry to be a buzz kill, just trying to deliver a sense of reason to the blog. Try not to hype things people. Be reasonable, be realistic, and try not to assume things.
god bless the little children
rest now you will fear no more
1073. Patrap

930
WFUS53 KLSX 210002
TORLSX
MOC127-173-210045-
/O.NEW.KLSX.TO.W.0020.130521T0002Z-130521T0045Z/

BULLETIN - EAS ACTIVATION REQUESTED
TORNADO WARNING
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE ST LOUIS MO
702 PM CDT MON MAY 20 2013

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN ST LOUIS HAS ISSUED A

* TORNADO WARNING FOR...
SOUTHEASTERN MARION COUNTY IN NORTHEAST MISSOURI...
RALLS COUNTY IN NORTHEAST MISSOURI...

* UNTIL 745 PM CDT

* AT 658 PM CDT...A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM CAPABLE OF PRODUCING A
TORNADO WAS LOCATED 8 MILES NORTHWEST OF PERRY...AND MOVING
NORTHEAST AT 50 MPH.

HAZARD...DEVELOPING TORNADO AND GOLF BALL SIZE HAIL.

SOURCE...RADAR INDICATED ROTATION.

IMPACT...MOBILE HOMES WILL BE HEAVILY DAMAGED OR DESTROYED.
SIGNIFICANT DAMAGE TO ROOFS...WINDOWS AND VEHICLES WILL
OCCUR. FLYING DEBRIS WILL BE DEADLY TO PEOPLE AND ANIMALS.
EXTENSIVE TREE DAMAGE IS LIKELY.

* LOCATIONS IMPACTED INCLUDE...
HANNIBAL...CENTER...SPAULDING...RENSSELAER...NEW LONDON...THE
LANDING...ILASCO AND SAVERTON.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

TAKE COVER NOW. MOVE TO AN INTERIOR ROOM ON THE LOWEST FLOOR OF A
STURDY BUILDING. AVOID WINDOWS. IF IN A MOBILE HOME...A VEHICLE OR
OUTDOORS...MOVE TO THE CLOSEST SUBSTANTIAL SHELTER AND PROTECT
YOURSELF FROM FLYING DEBRIS.



LAT...LON 3985 9144 3980 9137 3973 9137 3972 9136
3960 9120 3933 9171 3966 9172
TIME...MOT...LOC 0002Z 226DEG 42KT 3955 9170

TORNADO...RADAR INDICATED
HAIL...1.75IN



BRITT
"There's no doubt this was an F5."

Yep, I'll definitely be leaving now!

Some may argue that this might not have made the Joplin scale technically, but that's horribly academic for the people of Moore. This is truly a horrible disaster, with loss now being confirmed in the school I'm truly appalled. I'm off tomorrow for training at an office in the same valleys village as where the Aberfan disaster happened, where a school was destroyed. It's going to be doubly poignant going past the memorial.

For what it's worth, Portlight can have a bite off my pay cheque this month.

1076. Patrap
Quoting SFLWeatherman:
For all of you to know this is the 18Z GFS look like the 12Z

18Z

12Z


Except a little further east. No real deal this far out though. Big difference with respect to it's impacts on the peninsula though. If it were to slide up the east coast it would most likely just usher in dry air. Up the west coast and across the peninsula would have far greater rain impacts.
Quoting Jedkins01:
I'm honestly angry that the school was put on lock down, the tornado was warned to be one which is not safe to ride out above ground, school authorities should know that school while certainly strong buildings are still not safe given such a violent tornado. From what I know they had time to evacuate those kids.

I'm going to be reviewing the radar data shortly, but I strongly doubt that it would be worth the risk to put all of your kids on buses with a tornado bearing down. The chance of surviving a tornado, even a strong to violent tornado, inside of a sturdy structure is much much higher than in vehicles. By the time it was clear that this was a big, strong tornado, it was probably 5-10 minutes before it hit the school in SW Moore. That's just not enough time, and numerous kids would have been outside trying to "evacuate," caught right in the middle. They did exactly what they should have done and likely increased the survivability for the children substantially.
1079. Patrap

132
WFUS54 KTSA 210004 RRA
TORTSA
OKC077-121-127-210045-
/O.NEW.KTSA.TO.W.0021.130521T0004Z-130521T0045Z/

BULLETIN - EAS ACTIVATION REQUESTED
TORNADO WARNING
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE TULSA OK
704 PM CDT MON MAY 20 2013

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN TULSA HAS ISSUED A

* TORNADO WARNING FOR...
SOUTHWESTERN LATIMER COUNTY IN SOUTHEAST OKLAHOMA...
SOUTHERN PITTSBURG COUNTY IN SOUTHEAST OKLAHOMA...
NORTHWESTERN PUSHMATAHA COUNTY IN SOUTHEAST OKLAHOMA...

* UNTIL 745 PM CDT

* AT 702 PM CDT...A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM CAPABLE OF PRODUCING A
TORNADO WAS LOCATED 35 MILES WEST OF STANLEY...MOVING EAST AT 55
MPH.

* SOME LOCATIONS IN OR NEAR THE PATH OF THIS STORM INCLUDE...
STANLEY...CLAYTON AND HIGGINS.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

IF YOU ARE NEAR THE PATH OF THIS STORM...TAKE COVER NOW! IF NO
UNDERGROUND SHELTER IS AVAILABLE MOVE TO AN INTERIOR ROOM ON THE
LOWEST FLOOR. MOBILE HOMES AND VEHICLES SHOULD BE ABANDONED FOR MORE
SUBSTANTIAL SHELTER. AVOID WINDOWS!



LAT...LON 3450 9579 3451 9578 3451 9568 3459 9568
3459 9588 3460 9589 3467 9589 3468 9593
3484 9541 3452 9532 3441 9578
TIME...MOT...LOC 0005Z 250DEG 50KT 3453 9604
I don't particularly like The Weather Channel, but Dr. Forbes/Mike Bettes/Carl Parker always do a great job during times like this. Dr. Forbes is really first class, in my opinion.
Quoting TomTaylor:
"There's no doubt this was an F5."

Yep, I'll definitely be leaving now!

Bye Tom
Jedkins,
I saw a couple of your comments. Kind of a busy day for me and I have not looked at this blog today except recent comments.

I am real happy to see you seem to understand what supercell tstorms are all about. You will make a great met because you "get" the human factor.
Such a tragedy! Surreal and heartbreaking news about the kids.
Why don't elementary schools in the Plains/Midwest have basements for this? Not that expensive to build.
Quoting ScottLincoln:

I'm going to be reviewing the radar data shortly, but I strongly doubt that it would be worth the risk to put all of your kids on buses with a tornado bearing down. The chance of surviving a tornado, even a strong to violent tornado, inside of a sturdy structure is much much higher than in vehicles. By the time it was clear that this was a big, strong tornado, it was probably 5-10 minutes before it hit the school in SW Moore. That's just not enough time, and numerous kids would have been outside trying to "evacuate," caught right in the middle. They did exactly what they should have done and likely increased the survivability for the children substantially.

Don't you have to order the radar data from NCDC? Isn't that unavailable until several days after the fact? I tried ordering it for the Granbury, TX EF4 the other day [the day after the storm] but couldn't because it was unavailable.
1086. MrMixon
Quoting ScottLincoln:

That's what they've been saying. I'm trying to figure out how that happened. I'd assume no pools in elementary schools.... so I guess trapped and a water main break? Or trapped and rainfall post-tornado? Just awful.


If those kids survived the tornado only to be drowned by a water main breaking into their storm shelter I sincerely hope this triggers a design review of all existing storm shelters.
1087. Patrap

TORNADO WARNING TULSA OK - KTSA 704 PM CDT MON MAY 20 2013
TORNADO WARNING TULSA OK - KTSA 704 PM CDT MON MAY 20 2013
TORNADO WARNING SPRINGFIELD MO - KSGF 703 PM CDT MON MAY 20 2013
TORNADO WARNING ST LOUIS MO - KLSX 702 PM CDT MON MAY 20 2013
TORNADO WARNING NORMAN OK - KOUN 701 PM CDT MON MAY 20 2013
I think there will be press conference at 7:30 Oklahoma time. That's 20 minutes from now. They will give us facts.
Quoting ScottLincoln:

I'm going to be reviewing the radar data shortly, but I strongly doubt that it would be worth the risk to put all of your kids on buses with a tornado bearing down. The chance of surviving a tornado, even a strong to violent tornado, inside of a sturdy structure is much much higher than in vehicles. By the time it was clear that this was a big, strong tornado, it was probably 5-10 minutes before it hit the school in SW Moore. That's just not enough time, and numerous kids would have been outside trying to "evacuate," caught right in the middle. They did exactly what they should have done and likely increased the survivability for the children substantially.
Schools in tornado alley should have storm rooms or basements.
1090. Patrap
Who cares the rating?

People are dying up there regardless of the surveys.... Point is it's a bad situation

Prayers go out! Thanks patrap for doing what you do!
They've confirmed at least 7 kids have died.

Unreal tragedy unfolding.
Quoting ScottLincoln:

I'm going to be reviewing the radar data shortly, but I strongly doubt that it would be worth the risk to put all of your kids on buses with a tornado bearing down. The chance of surviving a tornado, even a strong to violent tornado, inside of a sturdy structure is much much higher than in vehicles. By the time it was clear that this was a big, strong tornado, it was probably 5-10 minutes before it hit the school in SW Moore. That's just not enough time, and numerous kids would have been outside trying to "evacuate," caught right in the middle. They did exactly what they should have done and likely increased the survivability for the children substantially.


Ok you're right, the time they had to evacuate was probably far too short and then the risk would indeed be much worse, so I was probably acting on emotion there.

However, why don't schools have underground tornado cellars or a safe room built into the school? That is what perplexes me... It should be required if you ask me.
Quoting txag91met:
Why don't elementary schools in the Plains/Midwest have basements for this? Not that expensive to build.

I heard on the local news on the way home from the feed store earlier today that one of the elementary schools had one either under construction or just finished. This was decided in the wake of the 1999 tornado. I can only hope it was completed and used. Though from what I'm hearing it's not like it matters now anyway. So sad. Thoughts are with the families of these children and adult victims injured or dead.
1095. Patrap

743
WFUS53 KSGF 210008
TORSGF
MOC059-167-210045-
/O.NEW.KSGF.TO.W.0021.130521T0008Z-130521T0045Z/

BULLETIN - EAS ACTIVATION REQUESTED
TORNADO WARNING
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE SPRINGFIELD MO
708 PM CDT MON MAY 20 2013

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN SPRINGFIELD HAS ISSUED A

* TORNADO WARNING FOR...
NORTHERN DALLAS COUNTY IN SOUTHWEST MISSOURI...
POLK COUNTY IN SOUTHWEST MISSOURI...

* UNTIL 745 PM CDT

* AT 702 PM CDT...A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM CAPABLE OF PRODUCING A
TORNADO WAS LOCATED NEAR BOLIVAR...AND MOVING NORTHEAST AT 55 MPH.

HAZARD...DEVELOPING TORNADO.

SOURCE...RADAR INDICATED ROTATION.

IMPACT...MOBILE HOMES WILL BE HEAVILY DAMAGED OR DESTROYED.
SIGNIFICANT DAMAGE TO ROOFS...WINDOWS AND VEHICLES WILL
OCCUR. FLYING DEBRIS WILL BE DEADLY TO PEOPLE AND ANIMALS.
EXTENSIVE TREE DAMAGE IS LIKELY.

* LOCATIONS IMPACTED INCLUDE...
BOLIVAR...BUFFALO...GOODSON...HALF WAY...LOUISBURG...PLAD...POLK...
PUMPKIN CENTER...TUNAS...URBANA AND WINDYVILLE.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

TAKE COVER NOW. MOVE TO AN INTERIOR ROOM ON THE LOWEST FLOOR OF A
STURDY BUILDING. AVOID WINDOWS. IF IN A MOBILE HOME...A VEHICLE OR
OUTDOORS...MOVE TO THE CLOSEST SUBSTANTIAL SHELTER AND PROTECT
YOURSELF FROM FLYING DEBRIS.



LAT...LON 3768 9285 3752 9351 3763 9355 3781 9326
3780 9319 3785 9318 3791 9310 3790 9304
TIME...MOT...LOC 0008Z 240DEG 47KT 3762 9339

TORNADO...RADAR INDICATED
HAIL...<.75IN



GRIFFIN
Quoting Jedkins01:
I'm honestly angry that the school was put on lock down, the tornado was warned to be one which is not safe to ride out above ground, school authorities should know that school while certainly strong buildings are still not safe given such a violent tornado. From what I know they had time to evacuate those kids.

And why the heck don;t schools have underground safe rooms built in? I don't care how confident school officials are of the building strength. High end tornadoes are a different animal. schools should have safe rooms. the building itself is not enough.

Maybe I'm wrong here, I'm just emotionally shaken to here what has happened with these schools and the fact that kids were forced to in essence meet their end...

Took the words right out of my mouth.

They had plenty of warning, so why the heck wouldn't they get those children to a safe place as soon as possible and this happens in Oklahoma of all places. If Oklahoma is considered the Tornado capitol, than they should have been prepared well enough the get those kids to safety in a quick and orderly manner.

Such a damn shame...
1097. j2008
Quoting Bluestorm5:
I think there will be press conference at 7:30 Oklahoma time. That's 20 minutes from now. They will give us facts.
Hope they get this thing sorted out, sure would hate to hear this was worse than what everyone is painting it.....
I really hope some policy and structural design changes happen ever today. Although there is not much you can do with five minutes warning and 200mph winds. Just thinking about being in either school makes me ill.
Quoting Jedkins01:
However, why don't schools have underground tornado cellars or a safe room built into the school? That is what perplexes me... It should be required if you ask me.

I agree. Especially in Oklahoma... I think new schools should be built with sections concrete-reinforced as a tornado shelter. Of course that's up to local communities to do the cost/benefit analysis of that. The chance of any particular school being hit by a high-end tornado during its existence remains exceptionally small.
Quoting Ameister12:

Took the words right out of my mouth.

They had plenty of warning, so why the heck wouldn't they get those children to a safe place as soon as possible and this happens in Oklahoma of all places. If Oklahoma is considered the Tornado capitol, than they should have been prepared well enough the get those kids to safety in a quick and orderly manner.

Such a damn shame...


Plenty of warning? Reports were that people had 8-12 minutes of warning. To me, that's not near enough time to get kids on a bus and take them somewhere "safe". It's a tricky thing trying to track a tornado. As we have seen very recently, tornadoes can have violent changes in their trajectory.
Quoting j2008:
Hope they get this thing sorted out, sure would hate to hear this was worse than what everyone is painting it.....


Too soon to get parsed out.
Quoting ScottLincoln:

That doesn't make one ounce of sense. I wasn't even on the blog today to even discuss today's storms until after it was over.


That makes perfect sense to me Scott.. from simple cloud to a tornado in an hour... pretty close to how fast these things blew up.
If my child would have died i would not care if it was a EF0 or EF5 for all the world if a loved one is dead then some things just don't matter. Prayes go out to the Mommys and Daddys whos arms will be acking in the comming days .
1104. Patrap
Moore needs lighting, Generators at the school site by ANY means
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

Don't you have to order the radar data from NCDC? Isn't that unavailable until several days after the fact? I tried ordering it for the Granbury, TX EF4 the other day [the day after the storm] but couldn't because it was unavailable.

Grab the data from Iowa State's IEM server. It keeps a 3 day rolling archive starting from realtime.
http://mesonet-nexrad.agron.iastate.edu/level2/ra w/
They're showing a guy petting a missing dog... heartbreaking...
Quoting MississippiWx:


Plenty of warning? Reports were that people had 8-12 minutes of warning. To me, that's not near enough time to get kids on a bus and take them somewhere "safe". It's a tricky thing trying to track a tornado. As we have seen very recently, tornadoes can have violent changes in their trajectory.

In my opinion, I feel 10 minutes should be enough time to get kids into a safe place, but maybe my expectations are too high.

Either way, it's an awful tragedy and my prayers go out to the grieving parents who lost their kids.
1108. j2008
Quoting Patrap:
Moore needs lighting, Generators at the school site by ANY means
Anything in order to find as many people as they can.
1109. Patrap

152
WFUS53 KDMX 210010
TORDMX
IAC153-169-210045-
/O.NEW.KDMX.TO.W.0007.130521T0010Z-130521T0045Z/

BULLETIN - EAS ACTIVATION REQUESTED
TORNADO WARNING
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DES MOINES IA
710 PM CDT MON MAY 20 2013

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN DES MOINES HAS ISSUED A

* TORNADO WARNING FOR...
NORTHERN POLK COUNTY IN CENTRAL IOWA...
SOUTH CENTRAL STORY COUNTY IN CENTRAL IOWA...

* UNTIL 745 PM CDT

* AT 706 PM CDT...A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM CAPABLE OF PRODUCING A
TORNADO WAS LOCATED NEAR POLK CITY...AND MOVING NORTHEAST AT 25
MPH.

HAZARD...DEVELOPING TORNADO AND QUARTER SIZE HAIL.

SOURCE...RADAR INDICATED ROTATION.

IMPACT...MOBILE HOMES WILL BE HEAVILY DAMAGED OR DESTROYED.
SIGNIFICANT DAMAGE TO ROOFS...WINDOWS AND VEHICLES WILL
OCCUR. FLYING DEBRIS WILL BE DEADLY TO PEOPLE AND ANIMALS.
EXTENSIVE TREE DAMAGE IS LIKELY.

* LOCATIONS IMPACTED INCLUDE...
ANKENY...HUXLEY...ALLEMAN...ELKHART AND CAMBRIDGE.

THIS INCLUDES INTERSTATE 35 BETWEEN MILE MARKERS 93 AND 109.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

TAKE COVER NOW. MOVE TO AN INTERIOR ROOM ON THE LOWEST FLOOR OF A
STURDY BUILDING. AVOID WINDOWS. IF IN A MOBILE HOME...A VEHICLE OR
OUTDOORS...MOVE TO THE CLOSEST SUBSTANTIAL SHELTER AND PROTECT
YOURSELF FROM FLYING DEBRIS.



LAT...LON 4197 9357 4180 9335 4169 9365 4177 9376
TIME...MOT...LOC 0010Z 227DEG 22KT 4176 9366

TORNADO...RADAR INDICATED
HAIL...1.00IN


Quoting txag91met:
Why don't elementary schools in the Plains/Midwest have basements for this? Not that expensive to build.


Good question, but now is not the time and place for answers you won't like hearing. This is a time for relief, for reflecting blessings, for thoughts and prayers for victims and their families...and for those still in harm's way.

:(
How many students where estimated in these shools
1112. Thrawst
I hate to bring even more bad news, but there is likely a LARGE tornado just South of Gustine, Texas.
My god...

@AP

BREAKING: State medical examiner's office: 37 killed in Oklahoma tornado; death toll expected to rise -RJJ
Why couldn't this tornado season stay quite?.Now you all see what happened this while people were complaining back in APRIL of our quite tornado season..

'The less deaths and damage people have to deal with.They need a break".I hope your happy.

God bless those seven little souls hope no more bodies our found.
1115. Patrap
College of DuPage Meteorology
Severe Weather and Flash Flood Warnings
Note: This page will reload every 2 minutes. Warnings are listed with the most recent first.
Click on the station ID to bring up list of recent severe weather statements.


SVR T-STORM WARNING SAN ANGELO TX - KSJT 715 PM CDT MON MAY 20 2013
SVR T-STORM WARNING FORT WORTH TX - KFWD 715 PM CDT MON MAY 20 2013
TORNADO WARNING DES MOINES IA - KDMX 710 PM CDT MON MAY 20 2013
FLASH FLOOD WARNING KANSAS CITY/PLEASANT HILL MO - KEAX 709 PM CDT MON MAY 20 2013
TORNADO WARNING SPRINGFIELD MO - KSGF 708 PM CDT MON MAY 20 2013
TORNADO WARNING TULSA OK - KTSA 704 PM CDT MON MAY 20 2013
TORNADO WARNING TULSA OK - KTSA 704 PM CDT MON MAY 20 2013
TORNADO WARNING SPRINGFIELD MO - KSGF 703 PM CDT MON MAY 20 2013
TORNADO WARNING ST LOUIS MO - KLSX 702 PM CDT MON MAY 20 2013
TORNADO WARNING NORMAN OK - KOUN 701 PM CDT MON MAY 20 2013
SVR T-STORM WARNING TULSA OK - KTSA 700 PM CDT MON MAY 20 2013
FLASH FLOOD WARNING KANSAS CITY/PLEASANT HILL MO - KEAX 700 PM CDT MON MAY 20 2013
SVR T-STORM WARNING TULSA OK - KTSA 659 PM CDT MON MAY 20 2013
SVR T-STORM WARNING ST LOUIS MO - KLSX 657 PM CDT MON MAY 20 2013
SVR T-STORM WARNING FORT WORTH TX - KFWD 657 PM CDT MON MAY 20 2013
SVR T-STORM WARNING TULSA OK - KTSA 655 PM CDT MON MAY 20 2013
TORNADO WARNING NORMAN OK - KOUN 654 PM CDT MON MAY 20 2013
SVR T-STORM WARNING DES MOINES IA - KDMX 654 PM CDT MON MAY 20 2013
TORNADO WARNING FORT WORTH TX - KFWD 652 PM CDT MON MAY 20 2013
TORNADO WARNING ST LOUIS MO - KLSX 650 PM CDT MON MAY 20 2013
SVR T-STORM WARNING SPRINGFIELD MO - KSGF 647 PM CDT MON MAY 20 2013
SVR T-STORM WARNING NORMAN OK - KOUN 647 PM CDT MON MAY 20 2013
TORNADO WARNING SAN ANGELO TX - KSJT 644 PM CDT MON MAY 20 2013
Quoting belizeit:
How many students where estimated in these shools
75 were reported trapped in school. About 24-30 still trapped, assumed dead.
37 confirmed dead by medical examiner...
Quoting indianrivguy:


That makes perfect sense to me Scott.. from simple cloud to a tornado in an hour... pretty close to how fast these things blew up.

That part does make sense. The tornado was similar to the Joplin tornado in that it formed just outside of an urbanized area and went from touchdown to strong tornado very quickly.

But that individual didn't post on the blog to comment about how the tornado formed quickly.
Quoting washingtonian115:
Why couldn't this tornado season stay quite?.Now you all see what happened this while people were complaining back in APRIL of our quite tornado season..

'The less deaths and damage people have to deal with.They need a break".I hope your happy.

God bless those seven little souls hope no more bodies our found.

People complaining had nothing to do with what happened. It could not and did not affect the outcome. And I hardly believe anyone is happy. Why would you think such a silly thing?
hey guys sorry for dusturbing the flow of tornado talk but as this is a tropic blog so yeah can we talk tropic as well as tornado please

anyway anyone noticed that the Caribbean has picked up a lot in convection activity a lot of t-storms and shower activity developed in a matter of hours

My prayers for the families that are being affect I am sorry for the people that lost their lives. I cannot even describe what I would feel if it was one of my younger brothers who died.My prayers for everyone and hope that no more deadly tornadoes occur today.What I know is that the kids are in a better life right now and they may rest in peace.
Quoting Bluestorm5:
75 were reported trapped in school. About 24-30 still trapped, assumed dead.
Thats horrible what anguish those parrents must be feeling waiting on news about there kids
Quoting Ameister12:

In my opinion, I feel 10 minutes should be enough time to get kids into a safe place, but maybe my expectations are too high.

Either way, it's an awful tragedy and my prayers go out to the grieving parents who lost their kids.

To get all of the kids out of the school and out of harms way in just 10 minutes is too risky. I think that the right decision was to remain in the school as they can be relatively safe(compared to other smaller structures). Also, basements or safe rooms should be put into school, especially in tornado prone places. Being in school, I know that if a tornado were to hit that there would be problems. At least in my old middle school, during a tornado drill they had some of us on the 2nd floor, which made no sense. My high school may have similar practices, which isn't good.
1124. Patrap




Elementary school gone.

Credit: KFOR Screengrab

A wider view of the elementary school flattened in Moore, Okla., on May 20, 2013, by a deadly tornado.
This NBC story muddles the situation more:

Excerpt:

Fourth, fifth and sixth grade students were evacuated to a church about a quarter-mile away from the 440-student school before the tornado touched down.
Students in kindergarten through third grade sheltered in place, according to NBC station KFOR. Some of those students had been in a hallway when the twister hit, the station said.
Quoting wunderkidcayman:
hey guys sorry for dusturbing the flow of tornado talk but as this is a tropic blog so yeah can we talk tropic as well as tornado please

anyway anyone noticed that the Caribbean has picked up a lot in convection activity a lot of t-storms and shower activity developed in a matter of hours

Could've posted the map without acting like an a-hole. Jeez.
Quoting washingtonian115:
Why couldn't this tornado season stay quite?.Now you all see what happened this while people were complaining back in APRIL of our quite tornado season..

'The less deaths and damage people have to deal with.They need a break".I hope your happy.

God bless those seven little souls hope no more bodies our found.
Even though I am not a tornado chaser or into tornadoes I believe it has been below average and it continues to be below average,But like hurricane only one can make a quiet tornado season stand out and sadly this was the case.
Quoting wunderkidcayman:
hey guys sorry for dusturbing the flow of tornado talk but as this is a tropic blog so yeah can we talk tropic as well as tornado please

anyway anyone noticed that the Caribbean has picked up a lot in convection activity a lot of t-storms and shower activity developed in a matter of hours

-1
Quoting wunderkidcayman:
hey guys sorry for dusturbing the flow of tornado talk but as this is a tropic blog so yeah can we talk tropic as well as tornado please

anyway anyone noticed that the Caribbean has picked up a lot in convection activity a lot of t-storms and shower activity developed in a matter of hours



The Monsoon trough is active.
Quoting Ameister12:

In my opinion, I feel 10 minutes should be enough time to get kids into a safe place, but maybe my expectations are too high.

Either way, it's an awful tragedy and my prayers go out to the grieving parents who lost their kids.

Err I dunno. I don't know where the buses are and where are the drivers. Plus getting a whole school out and onto buses wouldn't be that easy I am assuming.
My thoughts and prayers go out to those being affected by this tragic event.
Quoting wunderkidcayman:
hey guys sorry for dusturbing the flow of tornado talk but as this is a tropic blog so yeah can we talk tropic as well as tornado please

anyway anyone noticed that the Caribbean has picked up a lot in convection activity a lot of t-storms and shower activity developed in a matter of hours




so ture but may be right now may not be a good time?
1133. Patrap


Searching through debris.

Credit: KFOR Screengrab

A family searches through debris in Moore, Okla., on May 20, 2013; 15 people reported stayed safe in the sheler shown here as the deadly tornado passed through
I just remembered death toll rising in Joplin on news...

It was first reported 9 was killed, then 24, then 89, then 116, then 130 before death toll started to rise slowly toward 162. Final death toll was not announced for a week or two.
What do you think of this Bastardi Tweet?

@BigJoeBastardi: "I think that on days NOAA has moderate or greater risk area,perhaps we should treat it as if a snow storm in on the way, and keep kids home"
Dr. Forbes says this is the worst damage he's ever seen. He toured damage from the F5s of '74, the Moore tornado of '99, Tuscalosa and Joplin '11, and countless other violent tornadoes.
Quoting Tropicsweatherpr:
What do you think of this Bastardi Tweet.


@BigJoeBastardi: "I think that on days NOAA has moderate or greater risk area,perhaps we should treat it as if a snow storm in on the way, and keep kids home"

Might be a good idea.
Quoting Tropicsweatherpr:
What do you think of this Bastardi Tweet.


@BigJoeBastardi: "I think that on days NOAA has moderate or greater risk area,perhaps we should treat it as if a snow storm in on the way, and keep kids home"



thats good thinking there at lest the kids will be safe at home and not at school
Press conference with information in 5 minutes. Brace for bad news...

1140. Thrawst
Quoting Bluestorm5:
Press conference with information in 5 minutes. Brace for bad news...



Is there a link to watch it?
Quoting allancalderini:
Even though I am not a tornado chaser or into tornadoes I believe it has been below average and it continues to be below average,But like hurricane only one can make a quiet tornado season stand out and sadly this was the case.
Quoting allancalderini:
Even though I am not a tornado chaser or into tornadoes I believe it has been below average and it continues to be below average,But like hurricane only one can make a quiet tornado season stand out and sadly this was the case.
But they got their tornados to track that they wanted so dearly..

I really don't want the death toll to rise but it seems my wish will not come true.The damage is massive..I wanted this tornado season to be like 2012.not really violent in any way.
1142. Patrap
This is Dr. Jeff Masters Blog,,and it is focused on the Tornado Devastation.

Please stick to that.

Thanks
Quoting washingtonian115:
Why couldn't this tornado season stay quite?.Now you all see what happened this while people were complaining back in APRIL of our quite tornado season..

'The less deaths and damage people have to deal with.They need a break".I hope your happy.

God bless those seven little souls hope no more bodies our found.

I am a meteorologist, and I never root for tornado outbreaks. I don't even chase anymore.

Quoting wunderkidcayman:
hey guys sorry for dusturbing the flow of tornado talk but as this is a tropic blog so yeah can we talk tropic as well as tornado please

anyway anyone noticed that the Caribbean has picked up a lot in convection activity a lot of t-storms and shower activity developed in a matter of hours



Nothing this month...

1146. Patrap


Deadly TornadoCredit: National Weather Service, @NWSNorman / Screengrab Channel 4

Large deadly tornado moving into Moore near 134th and Western in Moore, Okla., on May 20, 2013.
StormChaser Austin G ‏@FLStormChaserAG
Death toll up to 37 and growing 1999 had 44 #Moore
Quoting GeoffreyWPB:


Nothing this month...





do you mine? this is not the time for this
Quoting Tropicsweatherpr:
What do you think of this Bastardi Tweet?

@BigJoeBastardi: "I think that on days NOAA has moderate or greater risk area,perhaps we should treat it as if a snow storm in on the way, and keep kids home"
Good idea.I remember last year a funnel cloud was not seen to far from my daughters school and yet they still wanted to continue a game they had later that night..they eventually cancled it but I stopped her from going.She doesn't say it..but I saved her life of what could have been a dealy situation..
Quoting Barefootontherocks:
Eat my shorts #3.

Bunch of weather voyeurs who have no clue.

Why must you be so rude during such a tragic event.
Quoting Thrawst:


Is there a link to watch it?
IDK, I'm assuming it'll be live on news.
Remember, it's 37 CONFIRMED deaths. And it's still early. Death toll is likely to be in hundred.
Quoting Tazmanian:



thats good thinking there at lest the kids will be safe at home and not at school


Problem, some homes don't have storm shelters. It's a catch 22 situation. Are kids safer at home or at school?
1154. Patrap

074
WFUS53 KSGF 210027
TORSGF
MOC009-209-210100-
/O.NEW.KSGF.TO.W.0022.130521T0027Z-130521T0100Z/

BULLETIN - EAS ACTIVATION REQUESTED
TORNADO WARNING
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE SPRINGFIELD MO
727 PM CDT MON MAY 20 2013

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN SPRINGFIELD HAS ISSUED A

* TORNADO WARNING FOR...
BARRY COUNTY IN SOUTHWEST MISSOURI...
STONE COUNTY IN SOUTHWEST MISSOURI...

* UNTIL 800 PM CDT

* AT 714 PM CDT...A SEVERE SQUALL LINE CAPABLE OF PRODUCING TORNADOES
THAT MAY NOT BE VISIBLE DUE TO HEAVY RAIN WAS LOCATED OVER
NORTHEAST BENTON COUNTY ARKANSAS...AND MOVING NORTHEAST AT 55 MPH.

HAZARD...DEVELOPING TORNADO.

SOURCE...RADAR INDICATED ROTATION.

IMPACT...MOBILE HOMES WILL BE HEAVILY DAMAGED OR DESTROYED.
SIGNIFICANT DAMAGE TO ROOFS...WINDOWS AND VEHICLES WILL
OCCUR. FLYING DEBRIS WILL BE DEADLY TO PEOPLE AND ANIMALS.
EXTENSIVE TREE DAMAGE IS LIKELY.

* LOCATIONS IMPACTED INCLUDE...
BRANSON WEST...CASSVILLE...CRANE...EXETER...GALENA...INDIA N
POINT...KIMBERLING CITY...PURDY...REEDS SPRING...SELIGMAN AND
WASHBURN.

THIS STORM WILL MOVE DIRECTLY OVER TABLE ROCK LAKE.

THIS WARNING ALSO INCLUDES ROARING RIVER STATE PARK AND TABLE ROCK
LAKE.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

TAKE COVER NOW. MOVE TO AN INTERIOR ROOM ON THE LOWEST FLOOR OF A
STURDY BUILDING. AVOID WINDOWS. IF IN A MOBILE HOME...A VEHICLE OR
OUTDOORS...MOVE TO THE CLOSEST SUBSTANTIAL SHELTER AND PROTECT
YOURSELF FROM FLYING DEBRIS.

IF ON OR NEAR TABLE ROCK LAKE...GET AWAY FROM THE WATER AND MOVE TO
SHELTER. TORNADOES CAN MOVE ACROSS WATER. IF YOU CAN HEAR
THUNDER...YOU ARE CLOSE ENOUGH TO BE STRUCK BY LIGHTNING. BOATS CAN
BE SWAMPED BY LARGE CAPSIZING WAVES CAUSED BY A TORNADO...EVEN ON
SMALL BODIES OF WATER. MOVE QUICKLY INTO DOCK AND SEEK SAFE SHELTER
NOW.



LAT...LON 3649 9407 3666 9407 3693 9389 3692 9362
3700 9360 3699 9334 3682 9334 3682 9331
3650 9331
TIME...MOT...LOC 0026Z 232DEG 57KT 3660 9403 3648 9393
3636 9388 3626 9387

TORNADO...RADAR INDICATED
HAIL...<.75IN



CRAMER
Quoting Tropicsweatherpr:
What do you think of this Bastardi Tweet?

@BigJoeBastardi: "I think that on days NOAA has moderate or greater risk area,perhaps we should treat it as if a snow storm in on the way, and keep kids home"
Well, I understand the thought. But given that most parents wouldn't be home as they'd be working, and given that 90% of homes in Tornado Alley don't have cellars/basements, and given that the average school building is sturdier than the average home, I'd say leaving them at home is a bad idea. The biggest danger in a snowstorm is generally in being on the road. That's not really the case with tornadoes...
I got 12 tornado warnings going on GRLevel3 right now. This day is not over.
Quoting Jedkins01:


Ok you're right, the time they had to evacuate was probably far too short and then the risk would indeed be much worse, so I was probably acting on emotion there.

However, why don't schools have underground tornado cellars or a safe room built into the school? That is what perplexes me... It should be required if you ask me.

Here's the timeline I get from the radar data. This is somewhat subjective.

The tornado was clearly on the ground with a TVS and a likely dual pol debris signature ~1951utc, about 8.5mi SW of the Plaza Towers school. The data available at the time did not necessarily suggest a strong/violent tornado, but at least a damaging tornado. It tends to look worse that close to the radar site.

By ~1959utc there was a a strong TVS signature and this was about the time it was nearing I-44 and we had the tornado size increasing via helicopter footage. The tornado was ~6.5mi SW of the school.

The signature continued to strengthen on radar until ~2012utc, when a purple TVS materialized on GR2Analyst. This strength of normalized rotation (NROT) I have almost always seen with strong/violent tornadoes only, or major clutter issues. By this point, one would had enough evidence to suggest that a high-end tornado event is certainly possible, if not probable. I think this was just after the time of the tornado emergency issued by NWS Norman. The circulations is now 2-3 miles from the school.

Between the 2016utc and 2021utc scan, the tornadic circulation crosses the school's location, roughly ~ 2019utc. In theory, if all of this information was available to decision makers and a safe evacuation location was known and available, they could have had up to 20minutes to load the children onto buses and move them somewhere else. But we didn't know the tornado's exact path back then, nor did we know it would hit the school. What if they put the kids on buses, but they were hit by the tornado en-route, and the school ended up barely sideswiped? I'm glad I am not the one making these decisions.
1158. Patrap
www.facebook.com/kfor4

37 confirmed fatalities in Moore this afternoon as a result of the massive tornado that ripped through the town.
1159. Ighuc
Tornado warning in Iowa just skipping Ankeny headed towards the Ames area

Tornado Warning
TORNADO WARNING
IAC153-169-210045-
/O.NEW.KDMX.TO.W.0007.130521T0010Z-130521T0045Z/

BULLETIN - EAS ACTIVATION REQUESTED
TORNADO WARNING
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DES MOINES IA
710 PM CDT MON MAY 20 2013

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN DES MOINES HAS ISSUED A

* TORNADO WARNING FOR...
NORTHERN POLK COUNTY IN CENTRAL IOWA...
SOUTH CENTRAL STORY COUNTY IN CENTRAL IOWA...

* UNTIL 745 PM CDT

* AT 706 PM CDT...A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM CAPABLE OF PRODUCING A
TORNADO WAS LOCATED NEAR POLK CITY...AND MOVING NORTHEAST AT 25
MPH.

HAZARD...DEVELOPING TORNADO AND QUARTER SIZE HAIL.

SOURCE...RADAR INDICATED ROTATION.

IMPACT...MOBILE HOMES WILL BE HEAVILY DAMAGED OR DESTROYED.
SIGNIFICANT DAMAGE TO ROOFS...WINDOWS AND VEHICLES WILL
OCCUR. FLYING DEBRIS WILL BE DEADLY TO PEOPLE AND ANIMALS.
EXTENSIVE TREE DAMAGE IS LIKELY.

* LOCATIONS IMPACTED INCLUDE...
ANKENY...HUXLEY...ALLEMAN...ELKHART AND CAMBRIDGE.

THIS INCLUDES INTERSTATE 35 BETWEEN MILE MARKERS 93 AND 109.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

TAKE COVER NOW. MOVE TO AN INTERIOR ROOM ON THE LOWEST FLOOR OF A
STURDY BUILDING. AVOID WINDOWS. IF IN A MOBILE HOME...A VEHICLE OR
OUTDOORS...MOVE TO THE CLOSEST SUBSTANTIAL SHELTER AND PROTECT
YOURSELF FROM FLYING DEBRIS.

&&

LAT...LON 4197 9357 4180 9335 4169 9365 4177 9376
TIME...MOT...LOC 0010Z 227DEG 22KT 4176 9366

TORNADO...RADAR INDICATED
HAIL...1.00IN

$$

AWB
Looking at the houses right around the school, I think keeping them home is absurd. Build the schools in these areas better and smarter and make them shelters.
Joplin dodged a bullet. sigh!!!!

Quoting CarolinaHurricanes87:


Can't people pray without posting about it on a forum? I could've sworn this was a weather chat, not a church or prayer group
Leave people alone. Nobody is asking you to pray. People are free under the law to say that they are praying.

Why do people get so up tight about other people's religion?

Sheesh.

Quoting ScottLincoln:

It is far too early to be trusting any of these preliminary width, length, and intensity estimates. Far too early. Tornado width estimates are notoriously overestimated during real time events. Almost always.
We will eventually know the scope of the tornado's damage. No need to speculate now.
I gotta admit the scope of damage looks spectacular. Just looking at the google map and seeing which areas have been hit makes one thing "big tornado".

But I agree. There is still a lot to be assessed before a more accurate estimate can be given.
The 1999 Moore Tornado sliced a diagonal path through the northwest side of town. This one cut a clear path right through the heart of the southern half. It basically covered three times as much real estate, with what is believed (NWS Prelimary Report) to be just as wide if not wider and likely as powerful as 1999.

Do the math. 1999 was awful, but I'm beginning to think this one will far outnumber 1999 with the carnage.
Press conference in Moore about to begin very soon. Will post information from presser.
1165. docrod
Sun just set in Moore OK
Quoting Tazmanian:



thats good thinking there at lest the kids will be safe at home and not at school


Assuming that "home" is safer than the school. Not generally a very good assumption.
School buildings are generally very solid construction, built to take a bit of a beating and last for decades.

Sometimes the storms are just too strong for ANY building. This, sadly, appears to have been the case today. The tragedy would have been even worse if you had 400 kids at the school at various homes, many of which had no storm shelter and/or no one paying attention to weather alerts.

There'll be plenty of time for armchair QB'ing in the aftermath, but this just isn't a productive angle.
Quoting AussieStorm:


Problem, some homes don't have storm shelters. It's a catch 22 situation. Are kids safer at home or at school?





good point
1168. Bielle
Quoting AussieStorm:


Problem, some homes don't have storm shelters. It's a catch 22 situation. Are kids safer at home or at school?


Depends on the home; depends on the school.
Quoting Bluestorm5:
Press conference in Moore about to begin very soon. Will post information from presser.


Is there a streamer to see it?
Quoting wunderkidcayman:
hey guys sorry for dusturbing the flow of tornado talk but as this is a tropic blog so yeah can we talk tropic as well as tornado please

anyway anyone noticed that the Caribbean has picked up a lot in convection activity a lot of t-storms and shower activity developed in a matter of hours



You are freaking kidding me. You are worried about a few thunderstorms in the Caribbean when we have children killed in Oklahoma. Oh I remember, every disturbance is going to form and take out the Caymans.
-10000000
Having been an educator and administrator - there are numerous safety plans for schools. For tornadoes we always had students in the "inside" hallways kneeling with heads down against the wall on the first floor. This was the approved and well thought out procedure. The problem is this was a massive storm, F-4 or F-5, and from the looks of the destruction of the school I'm not sure they would have been safe anywhere short of in an underground shelter. Maybe schools in this area where storms are so frequent and severe, they need to make sure schools have that kind of shelter available.
7 confirmed dead at Plaza Towers Elem. Expecting more dead.
Quoting Tropicsweatherpr:


Is there a streamer to see it?
I don't know. I'm staying on TWC.
Take cover wabit! Link
Quoting luvtogolf:


You are freaking kidding me. You are worried about a few thunderstorms in the Caribbean when we have children killed in Oklahoma. Oh I remember, every disturbance is going to form and take out the Caymans.
-10000000


chilll.....you certainly never make half a big deal when hundreds died in bangladesh or pakistan.

If he's not affected by this he may not be as sensitive.

relax....
Quoting Bluestorm5:
Could've posted the map without acting like an a-hole. Jeez.

u'r the one acting like an a-hole

look people sorry if I'm comming off like a cold hearted B@57ard my condolence goes out to the familys and friends and those who are affected by the tornadoes I could imagine how they must feel I got close family and friends in some of these areas

I am not saying stop chatting about the tornado threats I am just asking can we have a little variety here such a depressing state right now

between hurricanes and tornadoes
I love hurricanes cause you got ample time to prep most of the times but tornadoes you got little or no time I mean yeah we can forecast severe storm and they can bring tornadoes but can't tell for sure
Press conference: ustream.tv/cbsnews
1179. docrod
Quoting Tropicsweatherpr:


Is there a streamer to see it?


search rockinrooster for a link
Quoting Bielle:


Depends on the home; depends on the school.


True. That's why it's a catch 22 situation.

In areas that are prone to having tornadoes, Homes, schools and businesses should have storm shelters. If people decide to rebuild and when the school is rebuilt, they should include storm shelters in the design.
You know, there was a moderate risk area in central OK today, and SPC issued a tornado watch. It was not a PDS watch. The parameters didn't warrant one. The risk for EF2-plus on the watch was "low." Yesterday's risk for EF2-plus was moderate. Officials and emergency management made their decisions based on that.

A puff of cloud to an EF5 in one hour.

This, if nothing else should bring you all to understand and respect our sky and it's ability to lay us flat on our backs, devastated and holding our heads in our hands.

No need for speculative mayhem measuring.

Reed Timmer, stormchaser extraordinaire, could hardly talk about a tornadic cell today because it was about to enter a town where his friends live.

That is what super cell tornadoes are about. They can bring human society to its knees in an instant. And this one did.
Quoting Charmeck:
Having been an educator and administrator - there are numerous safety plans for schools. For tornadoes we always had students in the "inside" hallways kneeling with heads down against the wall on the first floor. This was the approved and well thought out procedure. The problem is this was a massive storm, F-4 or F-5, and from the looks of the destruction of the school I'm not sure they would have been safe anywhere short of in an underground shelter. Maybe schools in this area where storms are so frequent and severe, they need to make sure schools have that kind of shelter available.



Why dont schools in Oklahoma and the rest of tornado alley have an underground shelter for students to go to. Maybe have an entrance to it in each classroom. Just have skinny ~ 4 ft wide hallways under ground running from classroom to classroom for the students to hide in. Yes it may mean that they will be "trapped" for a while but they will be alive
1183. MrMixon
I don't think this was a dangerous cell, but this thing popped up and disappeared north of OKC in the space of an hour. Just a little kick in the shins for a metro area that must be on eggshells right now...

1184. docrod
Quoting AussieStorm:


True. That's why it's a catch 22 situation.

In areas that are prone to having tornadoes, Homes, schools and businesses should have storm shelters. If people decide to rebuild and when the school is rebuilt, they should include storm shelters in the design.


that point is currently being made by some news pundits as well. good point for that part of the usa - in iowa we all had basements
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NORMAN OK
737 PM CDT MON MAY 20 2013

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN NORMAN HAS ISSUED A

* SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING FOR...
WESTERN ATOKA COUNTY IN SOUTHEAST OKLAHOMA...
SOUTHERN COAL COUNTY IN SOUTHEAST OKLAHOMA...
EASTERN JOHNSTON COUNTY IN SOUTHEAST OKLAHOMA...

* UNTIL 845 PM CDT

* AT 736 PM CDT...NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE METEOROLOGISTS DETECTED A
SEVERE THUNDERSTORM LOCATED NEAR FILLMORE...MOVING NORTHEAST AT 30
MPH.

HAZARDS IN THE WARNING INCLUDE...
DESTRUCTIVE WINDS IN EXCESS OF 80 MPH...
LARGE DAMAGING HAIL UP TO GOLF BALL SIZE...

* LOCATIONS IMPACTED INCLUDE...
ATOKA...COALGATE...WAPANUCKA...TUSHKA...LEHIGH...M ILBURN...CANEY...
BROMIDE...PHILLIPS...CLARITA...FILLMORE...OLNEY... COLEMAN AND BOGGY
DEPOT STATE PARK.
Quoting luvtogolf:


You are freaking kidding me. You are worried about a few thunderstorms in the Caribbean when we have children killed in Oklahoma. Oh I remember, every disturbance is going to form and take out the Caymans.
-10000000



Mean and spiteful. It's a tropical meteorology blog he can do what he likes about the tropics
Still waiting on press conference. Trying to get information together, I think.
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:
Dr. Forbes says this is the worst damage he's ever seen. He toured damage from the F5s of '74, the Moore tornado of '99, Tuscalosa and Joplin '11, and countless other violent tornadoes.


It's fresher in his mind though...we'll see


about cancelling school for MDT or HGH risk days, highs maybe, but MDT are far too common and schools cannot take that many days off....events like this are rare, even in bad tornado outbreaks.
Press C. starting....


SEL5

URGENT - IMMEDIATE BROADCAST REQUESTED
TORNADO WATCH NUMBER 195
NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK
740 PM CDT MON MAY 20 2013

THE NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER HAS ISSUED A

* TORNADO WATCH FOR PORTIONS OF
WESTERN AND NORTHERN ARKANSAS
A SMALL PART OF WESTERN ILLINOIS
SOUTHERN ANF CENTRAL MISSOURI
EASTERN AND SOUTHERN OKLAHOMA

* EFFECTIVE THIS MONDAY NIGHT AND TUESDAY MORNING FROM 740 PM
UNTIL 300 AM CDT.

* PRIMARY THREATS INCLUDE...
SEVERAL TORNADOES WITH A FEW INTENSE TORNADOES POSSIBLE
NUMEROUS DAMAGING WIND GUSTS EXPECTED WITH SEVERAL SIGNIFICANT
GUSTS TO 75 MPH POSSIBLE
NUMEROUS LARGE HAIL EVENTS LIKELY WITH A FEW VERY LARGE HAIL
EVENTS TO 2 INCHES IN DIAMETER POSSIBLE

THE TORNADO WATCH AREA IS APPROXIMATELY ALONG AND 95 STATUTE
MILES EAST AND WEST OF A LINE FROM 25 MILES EAST NORTHEAST OF
VICHY MISSOURI TO 45 MILES WEST SOUTHWEST OF DE QUEEN ARKANSAS.
FOR A COMPLETE DEPICTION OF THE WATCH SEE THE ASSOCIATED WATCH
OUTLINE UPDATE (WOUS64 KWNS WOU5).

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

REMEMBER...A TORNADO WATCH MEANS CONDITIONS ARE FAVORABLE FOR
TORNADOES AND SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS IN AND CLOSE TO THE WATCH
AREA. PERSONS IN THESE AREAS SHOULD BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR
THREATENING WEATHER CONDITIONS AND LISTEN FOR LATER STATEMENTS
AND POSSIBLE WARNINGS.

&&

OTHER WATCH INFORMATION...CONTINUE...WW 190...WW 191...WW
192...WW 193...WW 194...

DISCUSSION...LOOSELY-CONNECTED BAND OF SUPERCELLS EXTENDING FROM THE
RED RVR VLY NEWD INTO SW MO EXPECTED TO GRADUALLY FURTHER
CONSOLIDATE AS THE BAND CONTINUES EWD AT A MODERATE PACE. AREA
SOUNDING AND VWP DATA SUGGEST THAT SEMI-DISCRETE OR EMBEDDED
SUPERCELL STRUCTURES LIKELY WILL PERSIST THROUGH LATE EVE...POSING A
CONTINUED RISK FOR LARGE HAIL...DMGG WIND...AND TORNADOES. A FEW
BOWING SEGMENTS MAY EVOLVE THAT PRODUCE MORE CONCENTRATED SWATHS OF
STRONG WINDS...ESPECIALLY IN SE OK AND NW AR/SRN MO.

AVIATION...TORNADOES AND A FEW SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS WITH HAIL
SURFACE AND ALOFT TO 2 INCHES. EXTREME TURBULENCE AND SURFACE
WIND GUSTS TO 65 KNOTS. A FEW CUMULONIMBI WITH MAXIMUM TOPS TO
550. MEAN STORM MOTION VECTOR 25035.


...CORFIDI
At 7:30pm local media reported a rain-wrapped tornado in Hannibal, MO - no further details. Circulation crossed into IL by 7:45p.
1193. MrMixon
KFOR helicopter reporter mentioned some ponds in the vicinity of the Moore tornado were now empty after the tornado...

Has anyone else heard of this happening during tornadoes?
Quoting luvtogolf:


You are freaking kidding me. You are worried about a few thunderstorms in the Caribbean when we have children killed in Oklahoma. Oh I remember, every disturbance is going to form and take out the Caymans.
-10000000

DUDE YOU ARE CROSSIN VERY UNCHARTED WATERS YES I CARE ABOUT THOSE CHILDREN BEING KILLED ONE OF THEM HAPPEN TO BE ONE OF MY FRIEND CHILD SO DON'T GO THERE YOU HERE ME
TWC just showed plywood stabbed by branches of a tree.
Quoting wunderkidcayman:

DUDE YOU ARE CROSSIN VERY UNCHARTED WATERS YES I CARE ABOUT THOSE CHILDREN BEING KILLED ONE OF THEM HAPPEN TO BE ONE OF MY FRIEND CHILD SO DON'T GO THERE YOU HERE ME

I recommend stepping off the blog.
JeffMasters has created a new entry.
I think the best solution is basements in schools. Getting kids home withing 10 minutes is a ridiculous notion, getting everyone out of classes and onto buses would take at least 5 minutes. I remember timing the ride home on my school bus and it took 45 minutes. I really hope Moore rebuilds with extra safety precautions I don't want to see a tragedy like this again.
Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

I recommend stepping off the blog.


I agree. You are too upset. Take some time off.
I'm just quoting here...

Dr. Greg Forbes: 'I definitely would call this an EF-5'

Here's a tip Weather Channel, don't have jive-party good-time music overplaying your cut to weather radar immediately after Bettes tells us that several dozen children have been killed. Silence would be best.

Quoting TropicalAnalystwx13:

I recommend stepping off the blog.

No it ok I'm ok it cool
Quoting Charmeck:
Maybe schools in this area where storms are so frequent and severe, they need to make sure schools have that kind of shelter available.
One would think that Moore, which had the monster 1999 tornado and two EF-4s between 1999 and this beast, would have invested in underground shelters for all its schools.
Quoting ScottLincoln:

I have severe doubts that the NWS office has stated that winds were over 200mph at the surface by this point. Far too early. It took days with specialized teams to rate the higher-end tornadoes of the 2011 outbreak. Rating a tornado EF5 is not taken lightly by the NWS. Be skeptical of people jumping to conclusions this early.
Is KFOR the same as New 19?

Stay on topic of the entry or current events

action will be taken with no further warnings

Already at least 37 dead from today's tornado in Moore, OK. Sadly, it looks like this is very likely THE NEXTJOPLIN :(
 
My heart and prayers go out to all of the victims and families struggling through this disaster.

its a blog, mostly by adults,some of whom are so shallow and insecure that they attack with words and hate towards people that mispell a word, get a number wrong or state their belief in god. trolls have a place . unfortunately it is here today in their weak mind. go surf cartoon porn . leave the finger pointing to another day. i worked as an emt , sadest day ever was a school bus wreck in greene county. i am 6'2 and 210. tough as a rock. it still makes me cry 20 years late. this weekend is memorial day.skip the beach, pack the cars and go pick up your fellow americans. help your countrymen in need for gain or profit not, but because the loss of children can only besoftened by love, sometimes the love and prayers of strangers not known or seen.
So much contention here today. While there hasn't exactly been harmony, I know we all have empathy for the dead and family's of. This is horrible, emotions run high; we're like a family here, opinionated, don't always get along, and have differing interests and ways of expression. I've watch most of y'all post for a long time and don't think anyone is a bad or uncaring person. Lets forgive and forget and empathize with those with much bigger problems in Moore.
1209. hydrus
Quoting Bluestorm5:
I'm just quoting here...

Dr. Greg Forbes: 'I definitely would call this an EF-5'
My guess it was briefly. Either way, some of the folks that are alive to talk about it said it seemed like an eternity for the tornado to pass. The May-3rd 1999 tornado that struck the same area was also just briefly an F-5. Edit.. For a short time twice along its path.
Speaking as a former school bus driver and teacher's assistant, I don't believe we can lay any blame at the feet of school staff and administration for what took place at the elementary schools in Moore. There were simply too many possibilities of things going wrong when trying to evacuate a large number of younger children, especially with only a 10 to 15 minute warning.

* Emotional state of Administration, Staff, and Students in an urgent situation.

*Heightened anxiety and emotion due to tornado sirens.

* Ability of children to understand directions and implement without delay or distraction. (Taking into consideration mental and physical disabilities.)

* Ability to get buses to loading area without accident.

* Loading at least dozens of children orderly and safely into a bus.

* Find a safe route out of school grounds and away from the tornado.

* Factor in the ever-changing speed of motion and size of tornado, along with size of debris area, as well as hail, downpours, and lightning.

Even with a half hour's notice, you would probably not achieve a safe evacuation. I would have sheltered in place with my students and protect them to the best of my ability. At this moment of tragedy, it's best to err on the side of the school administration's and staff's decisions, as they did the best they could with what they had.

PLEASE, have some compassion and stop the snarky comments, armchair weather casting, and self-ego stroking. It simply doesn't matter who is right and who is wrong. Life and death are so much more important at the moment.
1211. hydrus
An F5 tornado from Moore, Oklahoma tornado on May 3rd, 1999, wrapped a large four-wheel drive pickup around a utility pole, stripping most of the truck's sheet metal. Several other automobiles were strewn through the surrounding fields.1999 Bridge Creek–Moore tornado
An American Flag blows in the wind next to the remains of a home destroyed by the tornado
An American Flag blows in the wind next to the remains of a home destroyed by the tornado
Date: May 3, 1999
Time: 6:23 pm – 7:48 pm CDT
Rating: F5 tornado
Damages: $1 billion (1999 USD)
$1.4 billion (2013 USD)
Casualties: 36 direct, 5 indirect (583 injuries)
Area affected: Oklahoma; Grady, McClain, Cleveland and Oklahoma counties; particularly the cities of Bridge Creek and Moore
Quoting wunderkidcayman:

DUDE YOU ARE CROSSIN VERY UNCHARTED WATERS YES I CARE ABOUT THOSE CHILDREN BEING KILLED ONE OF THEM HAPPEN TO BE ONE OF MY FRIEND CHILD SO DON'T GO THERE YOU HERE ME
It's all well and good about what a couple of you have said about the community....but here we have a despicable attempt at the forever-Doom-cast-to be for The Caymans claiming we should take a small break to look at the tropics converging as always on CI and having the disgusting gall to say he's looking at some maybe storm to be when a friend's child is dead. Uggh.
1213. hydrus
Quoting CosmicEvents:
It's all well and good about what a couple of you have said about the community....but here we have a despicable attempt at the forever-Doom-cast-to be for The Caymans claiming we should take a small break to look at the tropics converging as always on CI and having the disgusting gall to say he's looking at some maybe storm to be when a friend's child is dead. Uggh.
What a troubled world we live in.